August 14, 2025 • 41 mins
Quarterback tiers are questionable, especially with Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert. The Cowboys cannot be considered serious under Jerry Jones. Plus, crazy stats from around the world of sports.
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j Mart, So I'm gonna get to man. Have you
checked out the QB Tiers thing with Mike Sando.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
The sand I haven't gotten all the way through it,
but I have started to kind of go through it.
I used to have him on every year, Yeah, when
it came out. Always a lot to discuss and debate
coming out of that thing.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh big time. There are some comments on the QB
Tiers list, so it's just basically ranking all these NFL quarterbacks.
Are they in Tier one, the top tier, all the
way down to Tier five the worst tier? And some
of the anonymous quotes are like, what there's something about
your guy Bo Nicks. I'm gonna get to in a
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few minutes. But there's also this debate. It's sort of
connected to the tears list, but they're talking about who's
the fifth best quarterback in the NFL, where, in no
certain order, most people have Mahomes, Josh, Allen, Burrow, and
Lamar most have them in the top four some sort
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of differing order of those four guys. But then the
question becomes who's number five, Who's fifth best in the NFL?
And you could throw a couple of names out there.
One name that has been thrown out by quite a
bit of quite a few people is Jalen Hurts, and
I'm curious what you think, Jason. I am not in
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the Jalen Hurts is the top five quarterback way of thinking.
So he wears number one. I've got number one, not
in the top five. And for a few reasons here,
I just look at Jalen Hurts and you can't discount
how much talent the guy has around him. I actually
have Jaden Daniels, the Washington Commanders quarterback, over Jalen Hurts
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right now, and you might look at me sideways like Brian.
Jalen Hurts just won a Super Bowl. Yeah, that's right,
because it has a much better supporting cast. You tell me,
You tell me with a straight face, Jason. If Jayden
Daniels is the Eagles quarterback with all that talent around him,
forget about it. He's putting up huge numbers. They're still
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winning at a high clip. I wouldn't be shocked if
they want a Super Bowl with him as a rookie.
If he's on that team. Now, if you put Jalen
Hurts with the Washington Commanders, that's not too sexy.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Right there.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
No two thousand yard running back, no top five wide receiver,
no number two scoring defense. You know it's the old Uh,
it's the old line and taken. Yeah, good luck with that.
I just I don't see Jalen Hurts having even close
to the same success. I don't see that team winning
a ton of games. I just don't see that. I
don't think Jalen Hurts is productive.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
On that level.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So I don't have him as a top guy. What
do you say to that, Do you have Hurts as
the number five guy or you go elsewhere?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I mean, I know who they have. I wouldn't have
it there either, just because of age and just I
don't know if he's going to be available enough during
the year. I actually would probably put Jayden Daniels at five. Yeah.
Personally to the point about Hurts, my broadcast partner on
our Saturday program, Aaron Tarez, has said that Jalen Hurts
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has become the new Dak Prescott in terms of how
he's talked about and how he has discussed, and I
think there's truth to that. However, I think Jayalen Hurts
is an incredible leader. I think he's a better leader
and a dude that you want to go to war with.
I think that he's stronger in that than he is
some of the nuts and bolts of being an NFL quarterback.
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As an athlete. We know what he is as a thrower.
At times, it can look good. At times, it certainly
looks a lot better than it did in college. He
has worked hard to get better, and he has gotten better.
I would go to war with Jayalen Hurts and feel
pretty good about it most of the time. But to
your point, I think from and I also think that
Jayden Daniels has proven out to be a pretty good leader.
I mean, LSU might have won three games if he
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hadn't been quarterback man the year that he won the
Heisman Trophy. I think he's he's kind of a different guy.
Like I know how we felt about c J. Stroud
after year one, and then CJ he took a bit
of a step back. But I also he dealt with
a lot of injuries and I think he took some
unfair critique. There was some more tape on him, and
he might not have been as sure of himself throwing
the ball. I still believe in CJ. Stroud. I think
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he is likely to have a good year this year,
and I still like his prospects from his career. But
if you start to look at these other guys you mentioned,
mahomes Boro, Allen Jackson, Yeah, they're all going to be there.
Then they have Stafford, and that's where I'm just kind
of I'm not as sure. So to your question directly, yes,
I have Jaden Daniels above Jayalen Hurts. I have a
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hard time with some of the names, some of the
other names, like they've got Justin Herbert and Jared Goff
both above Jalen Hurts as well. That's where I'm not assured,
because I've also seen Jared Goff play pretty poorly in
games that have knocked his team out of the playoffs
a few times in a row. I feel like Jayalen
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Hurts deserves more respect than to be beneath probably Goff
and certainly a Herbert that to me has just not
done anything yet. And he, to me, is still one
of the more fascinating discussions in the NFL because I
am constantly told how great he is, yet he still
hasn't won anything.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, that's fair. It's funny, right, because you can look
at what is You can look at all these quarterbacks
on their teams with their exact supporting casts, or he
could do something maybe a little more dangerous, right, which
is if you do the swap thing. I just keep
going back to Jalen Hurts is driving a luxury automobile,
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you know what I mean, and he only has to
do so much. I remember, you know, a long time ago,
Shannon Sharp was talking about the Denver Broncos and this
is like ninety seven ninety eight when they're winning back
to back championships and John Elway was hurt for about
four games and Bubby Brister was the backup quarterback and
I've got audio somewhere, but he is comparison. Shannon Sharp
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was on NFL Networks America's game and he was like, Bubby,
this is a sports car. Okay, just as long as
you don't strip the gears, you know, like, just keep
this thing on the highway, We're gonna be fine. Just
don't screw it up. That's basically where Jalen Hurts is.
With as much talent as around him, he is driving
a high priced luxury sports car and justin Herbert, I
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don't want to make it sound like it's the most
broken down Jaloppi there is, but he doesn't have surrounding him.
What Jalen Hurts does and that matters, So if you
look at it from that standpoint, it changes things a bit.
Even though what you said on point as well, Justin Herbert,
he doesn't have any postseas in success to speak of.
He's had some stinkers. He had a couple of big
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turnovers in the last playoff game against the Texans. So
you could look at it as is, or you could
start saying, hey, that's an interesting way to look at
the supporting cast and how much it means for the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely think there's something too that.
I mean, again, as good as Herbert is from just
a nuts and bolts standpoint of the things that you
want to do to be quarterback and has the arm
and has all those things, like how many guys have
become a whole lot better because he's been their quarterback.
I haven't seen that yet. And this is not me
being like total naysayer on Justin Herbert. I see the
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talent too, I just need to see it actually translate
to something like we give guys like Lamar and Josh
Allen a lot of crap because they haven't made it
to a super Bowl yet and deservedly so, because the
expectations get higher for guys like that. But it seems
like Herbert hasn't been held of that metric as much.
And I wonder if that would start to shift if
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this year, you know, we start to see I mean,
this is year two with Harball, and you should see
another step this year. You shouldn't see running in place,
and I, you know, I just want to stop seeing
the treadmill effect with him.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
No, I get it, I totally get it. And that's
the funny thing is I think you can make like
valid points on both sides because I look at Herbert
and if you're like, okay, let's go in benefit of
the doubt mode, you know, like, what does he have
around him? If you look at last year, he had
Lad McConkie, who was a daisy fresh rookie who was
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fantastic last season. And what you know, you had Will
Disley who he had some decent games but got banged up.
You had Quinton Johnston who can't catch at all, you
know what I mean? Like, that's not what Jalen Hurts
has around him. So I don't want to make excuses
left and right for Herbert. You're right, he's got to
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do a lot more than he has done, but at
the same rate, the supporting cast matters. I always point
to Draymond Green. You know, Draymond Green on the Wizards,
he's an average role player who gets thrown out of
a lot more games. Yeah, you've never heard of before.
But Draymond with the Warriors, he's a Hall of Famer.
Like what you're surrounded by matters a whole lot. This
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is the part of the QB Tiers that made me
do a little John. You know, he's famous for saying
that's right. I saw this comment. I couldn't believe it.
So there's a coach, a mystery coach somewhere in the NFL,
lurking behind a fence post or something, and he says
he thinks that bo Nicks your guy. The Broncos could
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overtake Jaden Daniels this season. Now this is the comment.
I get where he's coming from. But so this is
the QB Tiers. Mike Sando interviews all these coaches, executives, GMS,
all these guys, and they have anonymous quotes about quarterbacks.
And this was the one from a mystery coach that said,
what we are going to see is Sean Payton's ability
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to develop a quarterback relative to Cliff Kingsbury's ability to
do that. Both players, meaning bow Knicks and Jaden Daniels,
appear to be dialed into the profession of quarterbacking, taking
care of the body, coming in early, leaving late being
all about ball. I'm interested in seeing who is able
to grow the most this coming year. I actually think
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bow Knicks is going to win out in that. Wow,
do you see bow Knicks overtaking Jaden Daniels this season?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
No, I don't, even though I mean, I feel good
about Bo going into year two. Everything I've heard has
been really positive. I love that he has spent time
with Drew Brees in the offseason as well, like he
clearly is committed to this, and just what you hear
about what Sean Payton felt about him prior to the draft,
you just feel like he's in a really good situation.
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At the same time, I don't know how much Cliff
Kingsbury needs to develop Jaden Daniels, because Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Just has it right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So I don't know that this is as much about
I don't know that I need to put so much
on Cliff Kingsbury's shoulders. I might feel differently if this
were like a Caleb Williams conversation and we were talking
about Cliff Kingsbury because there was still some development that
needed to be done. In Chicago, you actually got regression
because you didn't have anybody there that could help him
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develop and work on some of those things and feel
more confident in them. But as it relates to this,
I like that you're thinking about Bonnicks in that way
if you are this person, right, But I think that's
a bridge too far. I think that's the kind of
thing you have to let happen, but not predict, because
there's just not enough. There's no reason to believe that.
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I don't. I could see Washington take a mild step
back this year, just because I think they flew really,
really high last year. But there's no reason to think
that Jaden Daniels is really coming back down to earth,
because it's not as if what he was doing was
a gimmick, like, it's just he's just good at the position.
So no, I don't. I don't. I don't think that
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he's gonna end up better than Daniels. I don't. I
do think he's going to finish the season a very
strong number two from last year's class. I think that's
fair because I'm not sure about Pennix and there's still
a lot of question marks about Kayleb Williams in this situation.
But I think that it's it's disrespectful to say anything
other than Jayden Daniels is on a completely different plane
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right now than the rest of those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, he really is. That's how special he was last season.
And that's the thing is I think that you could
make this argument with you know, a quarterbacks current team.
Could Bo Nicks be more productive throwing the ball?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You just look at last season. Bow Knicks had four
more touchdown pass in three more interceptions, Like they're in
the same zip code. Throwing the ball like, bow Knicks
had more passing yards. You could look at them, you know,
this way, that way, all across the board. The difference
is rushing yards. Jaden Daniels just an absolute playmaker. Bo
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Knicks can move around too, he's an athlete. But Jaden Daniels,
I think that, Hey, could Bo Nicks be more productive
with the Broncos and Sean Payton this season? Yeah? In
certain categories, I think he could. He was last year,
so I think he could do it again or maybe
even grow a little bit. But then I think there's
an argument, okay, forget about their current team, on any team,
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you know what I mean, Like, who's better than who?
Jayden Daniels is the class of that draft so far,
and I think bow Knicks he's got a long that's
that's a high hill to climb to be like the
guy of the class over Jaden Daniels. I just I
don't see bow Knicks exceeding as much as Jayden Daniels
falls back. I just I don't think that he's close
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enough to pass him up in year two. I just
don't see that happening.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I think both of them are going to have good years.
I think both those football teams ought to have pretty
good years. But yeah, I just I think that you
got to get to the end of the season say wow,
bo Nick somehow ended up with a better season than
Jane Daniels. I feel like that's the kind of quote
you say that you're not going to be held to
account for because it's anonymous, and it's perfect for Mike
(15:25):
Sando or anybody that wants to put an article like
this together because it's instant, Yeah, debate, It's exactly right
for the way that sports media is done. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I could just see him doing a Tiger Woods fist pump, like, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That's what we're talking about right there. That's right, That's
what I wanted.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
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So I was thinking about this Jay mart where there
was a famous quote from the Oregon head football coach
Dan Lanning. Now this goes back a couple of years.
But they're about to play Colorado. It's a big game,
a lot of anticipation, you know, coach prime Colorado at
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Oregon and the pregame speech, this is partially what Dan
Lanning said about Colorado wins right like that was the
perception that they're fighting for clips, clicks, we're fighting for wins.
I think that would have actually applied better to the
Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones specifically. Right if you you
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think if there is ever a quote about a dude
that approaches things like this, he's even said it. This
was Jerry Jones recently talking about just that if.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
We're not being looked at, then I'll do my part
to get a slip taber.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Is that not the definition of fighting for clicks? Like?
That's it right there, even when I'll gie you one more.
This is him talking about Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys being
a soap opera, and he thinks this is a good thing.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
The Cowboys are a soap opera.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Three D and sixty five.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Ho's turning it is?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
It's oh, it's wonderful to have the great athletes, have
the great players.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But there's something more there.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
There's sizzle, there's emotion, and if you will, there's controversy.
That controversy is good stuff in terms of keeping and
having people's attention.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
That tells you everything you need to know, Jason about
how Jerry Jones approaches all these things. Contracts. Contracts is
the biggest one, right, He's just looking at this and
it's a new headline each day because he's doing exactly
what he just explained. He's like, if it gets slow,
I'll stir it up. Controversy sells, Sizzle sells. It's like
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he thinks of the Dallas Cowboys as a TV show
and he's trying to get the most ratings and the
most conversation generated. It's not what's best for business, it's
not what's best for pursuing a super Bowl. But that's
his agenda. That's what he goes for primarily, is to
be talked about the sizzle, the clicks. Dan Lanning, what
he said about Colorado that absolutely applies to Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, I mean that's that's the most real thing that
you can say about the Cowboys or that has been
said about the Cowboys in a long time. And we
didn't even need him to say it. But if you've
watched this Michael Parson's thing, you realize that this is
to stay in the news cycle. Yeah, Like from Jerry's perspective,
that's a win for him. It's costing him money, which
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is insane. Like, I mean, every day of this is
called him more money. They've seen other guys similar positions
get paid. Now Mike is going to want more than them,
and deservedly so at this point in his career. I mean,
this is how bad it is and how transparent it is.
And this is why, by the way, this is why,
until he either passes away or completely retires or is
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no longer controlling that team, you can go ahead and
count Dallas out. Yeah, you can count them out. I'm sorry.
You can count them out in terms of them being
truly relevant to a championship. And I hate that for
Dallas fans. I know some of them as pretty much.
I think everybody knows a Dallas fan or two because
they're a national brand. But this Michael Parsons deal, it
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is so transparent, Brian, that people are on Micah Parson's
side in a negotiation with ownership, where usually because it's
very hard to see things from a player's perspective because
the money involved and how different the job is, usually
you go with management. It's man pay Michah Parsons right
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like like it seems like it's been. I mean, I
wouldn't say it's unanimous, but the majority opinion just from
the sports watching public has been that Michah Parsons is
the one that is in the right or the one
that you support in this situation, not the owner. And
I think it's because transparently, you know, it's like, you know,
you want to pay this guy. I mean, what did
he say yesterday? He was just kind of like somebody
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asked him, ask Jerry Jones, you know what is it
that's stopping you from paying and getting this job done?
And he said nothing, Right, It's just like, what what
are we doing here? Man? Like, what is the goal
is not to win a Super Bowl? It's not. It's
just to make sure Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys are being
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talked about left and right, And to me, that's just like,
all right, fine, then stop putting them in prime time
because they're not a serious organization.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, now that's it. That's right on point. And that's
the thing is I think, I know Jerry Jones is
prioritizing the wrong thing. He'll say he wants to win
a Super Bowl worse than anything, but his actions don't
support that. It's one thing to say something. You can
go to the club and promise the most beautiful.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Girl there the world.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Words don't matter, the actions do. If you take her
to Sizzler, and that's your equivalent of taking her on
a trip around the world. Like that, the actions don't
support the words. So that's where Jerry Jones is. He'll
say how much he wants to win a Super Bowl
and then his actions get in the way of that.
And so I think that there are two things happening here,
and I think there's the checkers level and the chess level.
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The first part is the checkers level. It's what you
talked about, Jason is the newest headline is Jerry Jones. Hey,
nothing's preventing the Parsons talks from happening. And so all
that is is Jerry Jones keeping this whole story relevant.
And what he's really doing, he's playing this game of
not my fault. That's really what it boils down to.
(23:01):
You read between the lines. He's saying, not my fault,
nothing's preventing us having talks with Parsons, Like read between
the lines except for Parsons, that's basically what he's saying.
Or like some of the other things that he's talked
about where he's like, I don't know why we're renegotiating,
he's basically saying I thought we had a deal done.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Again away so insane for an owner to say that, Oh,
like every contract that an owner or management has ever
put forth to an athlete is something that's been honored. Like,
let's be let's at least act like our audience understands
anything right.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It's completely ridiculous. But this is the audio when he
said that.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
In the case of a player or contract, you have
to have it in writing all parties. Do we have
a contract in writing? Yet we're still talking about and
renegotiating it. So so much for that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
He's totally putting the finger at Micah Parson's like, not
my fault. Maybe talk to him. I thought we had
a deal done.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Apparently not.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Jerry Jones is hinted that he's offered around two hundred
million dollars, which I don't believe at all. You had
Miles Garrett signed for one sixty. Why is he offering
two hundred. But again, it's a way to shift the
blame where it's like, not my fault. I'm offering him
the sun and the moon. I don't know why we
don't have a deal done. That's the checkers level. The
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chess level is why he's doing that. Jerry Jones is
smart enough to get a deal done quicker than it's
happening here. He just doesn't want to. He's looking at
this like why rush into this thing. Let's get some
headlines first, Let's get some people talking. Then eventually, way
down the road, after costing us way more money, we'll
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get the deal done. Cause he's about the soap opera
more than the super Bowl. That's what he's prioritizing here.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, I mean, there's no other way to read it
than that way. And then you know he had offered
him this extension back in like February. But then when
Parsons agent actually tried to, you know, get it actually
done right now, it goes radio silent, right like what
(25:14):
are we doing and what are you trying to create here?
Because this situation, the ceedee Lamb situation, even how long
it took to do what you were going to do
with Dak Prescott, like you do this. This is what
the Cowboys do with free agents or with guys that
they need to re sign, is that they wait and
they wait and they wait. It just seems like they
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never have a plan that makes any kind of sense.
Like that's how you end up with Brian Schottenneimer as
your head coach, same kind of deal. Like they're basically
the New York Knicks, but Jerry is marginally more likable
than James Dolan, and the Knicks seem to have a
better core right now because you don't have to feel
quite as many guys. And they've they've kind of stumbled
(25:57):
into it. But when they fired their coach, they didn't
have a plan here. You would feel like a lot
of guys would have taken that Cowboys job. But they
waited and they waited and they waited, and then Brian Schottenheimer, Yeah,
becomes the answer. I don't see the logic if you're
trying to win, but I no longer believe they are.
And even when Jerry's like, I just want to no,
you don't, man, because you make no decisions in a
(26:20):
prudent manner that would actually get you to that goal.
You end up paying more money for guys than you
would have paid them if you would have just done
it earlier. And I think you're more interested in making
sure that you can listen to the sound of your
own voice on every radio show, podcast and TV show
in the country than you are your football team winning
games on Sundays, and to me, let's just be real,
(26:41):
that's pathetic. Like, Okay, good business, I guess, except that
you're costing yourself more money a free agency. But the
legacy of the Dallas Cowboys diminishes by the year, as
does their relevance. We're getting to a point where we
talked about who was it that was born in two
thousand and six that you mentioned earlier. Oh yeah, Dylan Harby,
(27:02):
Yeah yeah, Harper. Right, So we're getting to a point
where there are guys that are graduating high school who
have never seen Dallas.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Be good or all rade never like.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Think about that. Like with the nineties Cowboys teams that
we know so well, are those are like highlight reels
from the black and white era that we watched when
we were kids. Oh there's Johnny Unitis throwing the football around,
but we never got to see it. It's the same thing.
Here's we're getting further and further away from the Dallas Cowboys'
mystique and now it's just kind of like, yeah, they're
(27:38):
just sort of a team with the giant brand that
never does anything, and that's that's pathetic. Like the legacy
of the Cowboys post Jerry Jones. They're gonna have to
almost restart and tear the thing down to the studs
and make the right choices where they're just going to
fade into obscurity outside of just the cycle that keeps
them alive.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
The craziest that is so the ninety five season, that's
the last time that Dallas has been in the NFC
Championship Game. That's the longest drought in the NFC. And
you start thinking about that, Jason, and you're like, wow,
is that right. You start going through all the teams
in the conference and you're like, man, the Bears, they've
(28:18):
been in the title game since the Cowboys in ninety five.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's like, yeah, they were playing the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
They played in the Super Bowl, they were in the
NFC Title Game against the Packers. Remember the j Cutler injury,
and that'll Panthers played in two Super Bowls. That's right.
Look at Arizona, Arizona. It's like, man, they haven't been good. Well,
Kurt Warner was in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.
Every NFC team has been to the NFC Championship Game
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at least since the Cowboys did it in ninety five,
that ninety five season. That's like, wow, that that's how
long it's been. And you know, the funniest thing, the
dumbest part of this whole Jerry Jones approach of like
if it's if it's quiet, I'll stir it up. If
they had done the smart thing, if they had extended
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Micah Parsons way back in February he thought they had
a deal done, he actually involves the agent. You know,
they have a good business plan, they get it done,
they save their self themselves money in the long run.
Do you think that the Cowboys wouldn't be a story now?
You know what I mean? They're always a story regardless.
So it's like you're doing all this stuff for effect,
(29:27):
this soap opera effect, and it's not helping anything. You
still would be talked about regardless. You'd just be talked
about for the right reasons, like, hey man, Dallas, they've
got Michah Parsons sign seal delivered. No drama, we're talking
about Dak, We're talking about how far can the Cowboys go?
We talk about them regardless. So this idea that you've
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got to stir it up just so we focus on
them is totally wrong. We focus on them anyway.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, you can still win and make good business decisions
for the actual organization. In terms of the sporting side,
you can still do that and be talked about. You
already have the built in advantage of being the Dallas Cowboys,
so you're gonna be at the top of mind anyway.
You might as well actually be really good as well
as like you don't. It doesn't always have to be tabloid.
(30:17):
It doesn't have to be the National Inquirer or the
sky is falling. It could be the exact opposite, but
that's not how Jerry has seen it. It's like, yeah,
would we be talking as much about the Cowboys over
the last month if it wasn't for the Michael Parsons thing.
Probably not, because we think, well, they're signed, sealed and delivered,
they're ready to go for the year. You know, they
have what they're looking forward. But it's still the Cowboys,
(30:37):
so you're still gonna be staying what of their prospects.
Everything about them is a debate, but it's not a
debate about them being good. It's just a debate about
this guy's not really that good and these guys aren't
gonna be very good, Like we get to it. This
is what's this is. I have thought this now for
a couple of years. But even with this Parsons thing, right,
(30:58):
I feel like Dallas has been home incredibly uninteresting as
a football team. Like I think that, yes, there's these
little stories and these little tidbits that create content, but
is it good content? Right? Like is this the kind
of content sports fans really desperately want? Or do we say,
here we go again with the Cowboys doing something ridiculous?
(31:21):
Like I just I find what they do on Sundays
to be incredibly mundane, Like I'm just not I'm not
interested when I see Dallas against anybody on TV at all.
And I feel like increasingly a lot of us in
the country, it's not even like Chiefs fatigue, or it's
not even fatigue. It's just like it's not gonna be good,
(31:41):
Like there's no reason for me to watch this because
the quality of the product is not gonna be worth
my time.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
No, it's well said. It's kind of like even though
I disagree with it, I at least understand it. When
it comes to the Chiefs, They've been in the Super
Bowl five of the last six years. Yes, that's insane,
and so I some people are just worn out and
it's like, oh my gosh, can we get new blood
in here. But for people to feel that way about
the Cowboys who haven't even sniffed an NFC championship game,
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let alone a Super Bowl appearance or winning the thing,
you know what I mean. We're so worn out by
them because it's just obnoxious, avoidable drama that's thrown in
our face all the time, and you're like, oh my gosh,
you guys are just idiots, you know what I mean,
And we're over it. We're just over it as far
as that goes. Hey real fast, just a minute here,
(32:32):
But you see this with Matthew Stafford, Rams quarterback still
has that back issue he's got.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I'm worried, man, I'm worried about that. At his age
and just the amount of wear and tear on his body.
Dude's been a warrior as much as much as possible, considering,
you know, not having a O line and stuff for
a lot of his career in Detroit and all that.
But this back and having the epidural and all this.
I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't play half the
(32:58):
season when all is said and done. I don't mean
he's gonna miss the first half of the season. I
just mean he's gonna be He's gonna be one of
those like he's gonna be perpetually questionable.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, I feel like throughout the year he might be right.
It's an aggravated disc in his back. He missed practiced
again on uh on Wednesday, and so there's a he
spent time in a mobile rejuvenation chamber, and it's like, Wow,
that's where we're at right now. It's hey, man, whatever works.
Get a hyperbaric chamber, get a get voodoo going, get
(33:31):
a witch doctor.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, whatever you gotta do to help his chances. But man,
it's uh, you could you might be right, j Martin,
you might have a decent dose of Jimmy g as
the Rams quarterback. If Stafford can't go, I don't know
how long this is going to be a lingering issue.
It very well could be throughout the entire season. We'll
see how that goes. But it's a team that went
(33:55):
toe to toe with the World Champs Philly in Philly,
and if staff D can't go for a full seventeen
man that could eat into their win total big time.
So something to keep your eye on all right. Coming
up next, some crazy stats. Are you in the market
for some crazy stats? Jay mart I've got some show
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Speaker 3 (35:26):
Thank you as for the Internet.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
That is right, no doubt about that. I got some
crazy stats for you over here. J Mart, you know
you want baseball. You want college football first? What are
you in the market for.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
I'll do college football?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Okay, I know you're a college football guy. So the
AP Top twenty five was released earlier this week, Right,
we get the top the AP Top twenty five poll,
first version of it. This will be the first time
in program history that Texas will enter the season as
the number one team in the nation. Does not blow
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your mind.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
It's crazy. I can't.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I can't believe that's the case. They didn't one time,
never happened.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It seems crazy to me because they're always overrated. Yeah right, yeah,
exactly historically. I don't mean like right, and I actually
think they're rated properly right now. I'm just generally they're
a team that gets the benefit of the doubt. Where
a lot of others don't just because of the brand.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah right, So I would have thought at one point
some time that they would have been like a preseason
number one team. I guess not his first time. That
blows my mind. Some baseball stuff that is mind blowing
as well. How about this? I love this The Colorado Rockies.
They are a dumpster fire.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
They've won thirty two games this season. That's the fewest
in all of Major League Baseball. But they have six
wins after trailing in the ninth inning. That's the most
in Major League Baseball. They did it again against my
Cardinals yesterday, hit a two run homer in the ninth
they were trailing. They ended up winning by one run.
Fewest wins in the year, but the most wins when
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they're trailing in the ninth inning. That's that's freaking crazy.
How does that even happen?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
That is nuts? Like I said, I've said this before,
but like looking at their record this year, the fact
they have to play out the rest of the season
like it's cruel. I understand you're playing major League baseball,
but dude, how how fun it could it possibly be
to come to work being that bad and being like,
(37:35):
I mean, it's been this bad, it's been this way.
They've been out of it since like the third week
of the season. It's got worse and worse and worse
and worse. Like I understand maybe they at this point
it's comically like it's so bad it's good, almost like
a cult feeling there, but like, what are you going
to work to do? Play cards in the dugout? Like
what I don't under yeah, Like what do you what
(37:56):
are you coming to work to do at this point?
Are you just competing for another job with a reel
baseball team next year or that's tough? Man, Like, I
just feel like the depression would have set in on
a lot of those guys.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Man, and day in day out, you know, just get
your teeth kicked in like that. That's not great. It's
not really uplifting, you know, and then you lose faith
in your teammates where it's like, hey, we have on
the mounda tonight, gomber, Oh okay, this should be fun.
You know, it's just rough. Two others. So the Angels,
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they're three games under five hundred. Their record is fifty
nine and sixty two. This year they're six and zero
against the Dodgers. How wild is that as they're smacking
around the Dodgers. They did it again last night, and
the Brewers they're out of their freaking minds right now.
They've won twelve straight free burgers for the entire city
of Milwaukee. How about that? There's a place. What's the
(38:51):
name of this place again? Lee, I forget it's uh,
we were looking it up earlier. George Weber. Yeah. Is
it Weber or is it Weaver? I'm sorry, I don't
think it's either. It's like George something. But you connected
it to Weber Weber somehow. I think it's totally different.
George Webb, George Weberg, George web there you go, thank you. Yeah,
apparently it's this place in Milwaukee. They've offered this for
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a long long time. Now it's twelve straight wins. Is
the threshold free burgers for everybody in Milwaukee? That's how
crazy the Brewers are playing right now. How about that?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I mean, look, it's if you're getting free burgers that often,
that's a positive, right, Like, I mean a lot of
local sports markets have stuff like that. I know right
here in Nashville when the Predators would win, you know,
there would be frosties all around Nashville and things like that.
It's a positive. It's a good thing to have. It
might not be good for well, actually it's probably good
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for the cardiologists around the Milwaukee area as well. I
don't know as much for like the health of the
overall city. But yeh man, food is expensive, and fast
food has grown in terms of how much it costs.
I don't eat fast food anymore, so I didn't realize
how much it had gone up. But I read an article.
I was just like, wait, it costs how much? So, yeah,
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that's actually a pretty good deal there.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Not bad. Yeah, the Brewers this record since July sixth,
they're twenty seven and four. They're out of their minds
right now. Now I mentioned birthdays, by the way, shout
out August fourteenth. We got some famous birthdays. How about
this trio here?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
J Martin?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
All right, we got Steve Martin, right good comedian yep,
Magic Johnson, Okay, halle Berry. That's a strong three famous
birthdays on August fourteenth right there.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I would say that's very very good. Steve Martin might
be one of the just most gifted comedian, just talented
people in all of Hollywood. I've always found him to
be vastly underrated by a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, funny dude, absolutely, And this blows my mind too.
This might blow my mind more than anything else. Halle
Berry is fifth fifty nine. He's fifty nine years old.
Is too beautiful?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Wow, good for her.
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j Mart, So I'm gonna get to man. Have you
checked out the QB Tiers thing with Mike Sando.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
The sand I haven't gotten all the way through it,
but I have started to kind of go through it.
I used to have him on every year, Yeah, when
it came out. Always a lot to discuss and debate
coming out of that thing.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Oh big time. There are some comments on the QB
Tiers list, so it's just basically ranking all these NFL quarterbacks.
Are they in Tier one, the top tier, all the
way down to Tier five the worst tier? And some
of the anonymous quotes are like, what there's something about
your guy Bo Nicks. I'm gonna get to in a
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few minutes. But there's also this debate. It's sort of
connected to the tears list, but they're talking about who's
the fifth best quarterback in the NFL, where, in no
certain order, most people have Mahomes, Josh, Allen, Burrow, and
Lamar most have them in the top four some sort
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of differing order of those four guys. But then the
question becomes who's number five, Who's fifth best in the NFL?
And you could throw a couple of names out there.
One name that has been thrown out by quite a
bit of quite a few people is Jalen Hurts, and
I'm curious what you think, Jason. I am not in
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the Jalen Hurts is the top five quarterback way of thinking.
So he wears number one. I've got number one, not
in the top five. And for a few reasons here,
I just look at Jalen Hurts and you can't discount
how much talent the guy has around him. I actually
have Jaden Daniels, the Washington Commanders quarterback, over Jalen Hurts
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right now, and you might look at me sideways like Brian.
Jalen Hurts just won a Super Bowl. Yeah, that's right,
because it has a much better supporting cast. You tell me,
You tell me with a straight face, Jason. If Jayden
Daniels is the Eagles quarterback with all that talent around him,
forget about it. He's putting up huge numbers. They're still
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winning at a high clip. I wouldn't be shocked if
they want a Super Bowl with him as a rookie.
If he's on that team. Now, if you put Jalen
Hurts with the Washington Commanders, that's not too sexy.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Right there.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
No two thousand yard running back, no top five wide receiver,
no number two scoring defense. You know it's the old Uh,
it's the old line and taken. Yeah, good luck with that.
I just I don't see Jalen Hurts having even close
to the same success. I don't see that team winning
a ton of games. I just don't see that. I
don't think Jalen Hurts is productive.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
On that level.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
So I don't have him as a top guy. What
do you say to that, Do you have Hurts as
the number five guy or you go elsewhere?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I mean, I know who they have. I wouldn't have
it there either, just because of age and just I
don't know if he's going to be available enough during
the year. I actually would probably put Jayden Daniels at five. Yeah.
Personally to the point about Hurts, my broadcast partner on
our Saturday program, Aaron Tarez, has said that Jalen Hurts
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has become the new Dak Prescott in terms of how
he's talked about and how he has discussed, and I
think there's truth to that. However, I think Jayalen Hurts
is an incredible leader. I think he's a better leader
and a dude that you want to go to war with.
I think that he's stronger in that than he is
some of the nuts and bolts of being an NFL quarterback.
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As an athlete. We know what he is as a thrower.
At times, it can look good. At times, it certainly
looks a lot better than it did in college. He
has worked hard to get better, and he has gotten better.
I would go to war with Jayalen Hurts and feel
pretty good about it most of the time. But to
your point, I think from and I also think that
Jayden Daniels has proven out to be a pretty good leader.
I mean, LSU might have won three games if he
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hadn't been quarterback man the year that he won the
Heisman Trophy. I think he's he's kind of a different guy.
Like I know how we felt about c J. Stroud
after year one, and then CJ he took a bit
of a step back. But I also he dealt with
a lot of injuries and I think he took some
unfair critique. There was some more tape on him, and
he might not have been as sure of himself throwing
the ball. I still believe in CJ. Stroud. I think
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he is likely to have a good year this year,
and I still like his prospects from his career. But
if you start to look at these other guys you mentioned,
mahomes Boro, Allen Jackson, Yeah, they're all going to be there.
Then they have Stafford, and that's where I'm just kind
of I'm not as sure. So to your question directly, yes,
I have Jaden Daniels above Jayalen Hurts. I have a
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hard time with some of the names, some of the
other names, like they've got Justin Herbert and Jared Goff
both above Jalen Hurts as well. That's where I'm not assured,
because I've also seen Jared Goff play pretty poorly in
games that have knocked his team out of the playoffs
a few times in a row. I feel like Jayalen
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Hurts deserves more respect than to be beneath probably Goff
and certainly a Herbert that to me has just not
done anything yet. And he, to me, is still one
of the more fascinating discussions in the NFL because I
am constantly told how great he is, yet he still
hasn't won anything.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, that's fair. It's funny, right, because you can look
at what is You can look at all these quarterbacks
on their teams with their exact supporting casts, or he
could do something maybe a little more dangerous, right, which
is if you do the swap thing. I just keep
going back to Jalen Hurts is driving a luxury automobile,
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you know what I mean, and he only has to
do so much. I remember, you know, a long time ago,
Shannon Sharp was talking about the Denver Broncos and this
is like ninety seven ninety eight when they're winning back
to back championships and John Elway was hurt for about
four games and Bubby Brister was the backup quarterback and
I've got audio somewhere, but he is comparison. Shannon Sharp
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was on NFL Networks America's game and he was like, Bubby,
this is a sports car. Okay, just as long as
you don't strip the gears, you know, like, just keep
this thing on the highway, We're gonna be fine. Just
don't screw it up. That's basically where Jalen Hurts is.
With as much talent as around him, he is driving
a high priced luxury sports car and justin Herbert, I
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don't want to make it sound like it's the most
broken down Jaloppi there is, but he doesn't have surrounding him.
What Jalen Hurts does and that matters, So if you
look at it from that standpoint, it changes things a bit.
Even though what you said on point as well, Justin Herbert,
he doesn't have any postseas in success to speak of.
He's had some stinkers. He had a couple of big
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turnovers in the last playoff game against the Texans. So
you could look at it as is, or you could
start saying, hey, that's an interesting way to look at
the supporting cast and how much it means for the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Yeah, I mean, I definitely think there's something too that.
I mean, again, as good as Herbert is from just
a nuts and bolts standpoint of the things that you
want to do to be quarterback and has the arm
and has all those things, like how many guys have
become a whole lot better because he's been their quarterback.
I haven't seen that yet. And this is not me
being like total naysayer on Justin Herbert. I see the
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talent too, I just need to see it actually translate
to something like we give guys like Lamar and Josh
Allen a lot of crap because they haven't made it
to a super Bowl yet and deservedly so, because the
expectations get higher for guys like that. But it seems
like Herbert hasn't been held of that metric as much.
And I wonder if that would start to shift if
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this year, you know, we start to see I mean,
this is year two with Harball, and you should see
another step this year. You shouldn't see running in place,
and I, you know, I just want to stop seeing
the treadmill effect with him.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
No, I get it, I totally get it. And that's
the funny thing is I think you can make like
valid points on both sides because I look at Herbert
and if you're like, okay, let's go in benefit of
the doubt mode, you know, like, what does he have
around him? If you look at last year, he had
Lad McConkie, who was a daisy fresh rookie who was
(09:37):
fantastic last season. And what you know, you had Will
Disley who he had some decent games but got banged up.
You had Quinton Johnston who can't catch at all, you
know what I mean? Like, that's not what Jalen Hurts
has around him. So I don't want to make excuses
left and right for Herbert. You're right, he's got to
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do a lot more than he has done, but at
the same rate, the supporting cast matters. I always point
to Draymond Green. You know, Draymond Green on the Wizards,
he's an average role player who gets thrown out of
a lot more games. Yeah, you've never heard of before.
But Draymond with the Warriors, he's a Hall of Famer.
Like what you're surrounded by matters a whole lot. This
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is the part of the QB Tiers that made me
do a little John. You know, he's famous for saying
that's right. I saw this comment. I couldn't believe it.
So there's a coach, a mystery coach somewhere in the NFL,
lurking behind a fence post or something, and he says
he thinks that bo Nicks your guy. The Broncos could
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overtake Jaden Daniels this season. Now this is the comment.
I get where he's coming from. But so this is
the QB Tiers. Mike Sando interviews all these coaches, executives, GMS,
all these guys, and they have anonymous quotes about quarterbacks.
And this was the one from a mystery coach that said,
what we are going to see is Sean Payton's ability
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to develop a quarterback relative to Cliff Kingsbury's ability to
do that. Both players, meaning bow Knicks and Jaden Daniels,
appear to be dialed into the profession of quarterbacking, taking
care of the body, coming in early, leaving late being
all about ball. I'm interested in seeing who is able
to grow the most this coming year. I actually think
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bow Knicks is going to win out in that. Wow,
do you see bow Knicks overtaking Jaden Daniels this season?
Speaker 3 (11:40):
No, I don't, even though I mean, I feel good
about Bo going into year two. Everything I've heard has
been really positive. I love that he has spent time
with Drew Brees in the offseason as well, like he
clearly is committed to this, and just what you hear
about what Sean Payton felt about him prior to the draft,
you just feel like he's in a really good situation.
(12:03):
At the same time, I don't know how much Cliff
Kingsbury needs to develop Jaden Daniels, because Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Just has it right.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
So I don't know that this is as much about
I don't know that I need to put so much
on Cliff Kingsbury's shoulders. I might feel differently if this
were like a Caleb Williams conversation and we were talking
about Cliff Kingsbury because there was still some development that
needed to be done. In Chicago, you actually got regression
because you didn't have anybody there that could help him
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develop and work on some of those things and feel
more confident in them. But as it relates to this,
I like that you're thinking about Bonnicks in that way
if you are this person, right, But I think that's
a bridge too far. I think that's the kind of
thing you have to let happen, but not predict, because
there's just not enough. There's no reason to believe that.
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I don't. I could see Washington take a mild step
back this year, just because I think they flew really,
really high last year. But there's no reason to think
that Jaden Daniels is really coming back down to earth,
because it's not as if what he was doing was
a gimmick, like, it's just he's just good at the position.
So no, I don't. I don't. I don't think that
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he's gonna end up better than Daniels. I don't. I
do think he's going to finish the season a very
strong number two from last year's class. I think that's
fair because I'm not sure about Pennix and there's still
a lot of question marks about Kayleb Williams in this situation.
But I think that it's it's disrespectful to say anything
other than Jayden Daniels is on a completely different plane
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right now than the rest of those guys.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, he really is. That's how special he was last season.
And that's the thing is I think that you could
make this argument with you know, a quarterbacks current team.
Could Bo Nicks be more productive throwing the ball?
Speaker 4 (13:56):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You just look at last season. Bow Knicks had four
more touchdown pass in three more interceptions, Like they're in
the same zip code. Throwing the ball like, bow Knicks
had more passing yards. You could look at them, you know,
this way, that way, all across the board. The difference
is rushing yards. Jaden Daniels just an absolute playmaker. Bo
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Knicks can move around too, he's an athlete. But Jaden Daniels,
I think that, Hey, could Bo Nicks be more productive
with the Broncos and Sean Payton this season? Yeah? In
certain categories, I think he could. He was last year,
so I think he could do it again or maybe
even grow a little bit. But then I think there's
an argument, okay, forget about their current team, on any team,
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you know what I mean, Like, who's better than who?
Jayden Daniels is the class of that draft so far,
and I think bow Knicks he's got a long that's
that's a high hill to climb to be like the
guy of the class over Jaden Daniels. I just I
don't see bow Knicks exceeding as much as Jayden Daniels
falls back. I just I don't think that he's close
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enough to pass him up in year two. I just
don't see that happening.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I think both of them are going to have good years.
I think both those football teams ought to have pretty
good years. But yeah, I just I think that you
got to get to the end of the season say wow,
bo Nick somehow ended up with a better season than
Jane Daniels. I feel like that's the kind of quote
you say that you're not going to be held to
account for because it's anonymous, and it's perfect for Mike
(15:25):
Sando or anybody that wants to put an article like
this together because it's instant, Yeah, debate, It's exactly right
for the way that sports media is done. Now.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I could just see him doing a Tiger Woods fist pump, like, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
That's what we're talking about right there. That's right, That's
what I wanted.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
That's right, all right. Uh, he's Jason Martin. I'm Brian.
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So I was thinking about this Jay mart where there
was a famous quote from the Oregon head football coach
Dan Lanning. Now this goes back a couple of years.
But they're about to play Colorado. It's a big game,
a lot of anticipation, you know, coach prime Colorado at
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Oregon and the pregame speech, this is partially what Dan
Lanning said about Colorado wins right like that was the
perception that they're fighting for clips, clicks, we're fighting for wins.
I think that would have actually applied better to the
Dallas Cowboys and Jerry Jones specifically. Right if you you
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think if there is ever a quote about a dude
that approaches things like this, he's even said it. This
was Jerry Jones recently talking about just that if.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
We're not being looked at, then I'll do my part
to get a slip taber.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Is that not the definition of fighting for clicks? Like?
That's it right there, even when I'll gie you one more.
This is him talking about Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys being
a soap opera, and he thinks this is a good thing.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
The Cowboys are a soap opera.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Three D and sixty five.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Ho's turning it is?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
It's oh, it's wonderful to have the great athletes, have
the great players.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But there's something more there.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
There's sizzle, there's emotion, and if you will, there's controversy.
That controversy is good stuff in terms of keeping and
having people's attention.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
That tells you everything you need to know, Jason about
how Jerry Jones approaches all these things. Contracts. Contracts is
the biggest one, right, He's just looking at this and
it's a new headline each day because he's doing exactly
what he just explained. He's like, if it gets slow,
I'll stir it up. Controversy sells, Sizzle sells. It's like
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he thinks of the Dallas Cowboys as a TV show
and he's trying to get the most ratings and the
most conversation generated. It's not what's best for business, it's
not what's best for pursuing a super Bowl. But that's
his agenda. That's what he goes for primarily, is to
be talked about the sizzle, the clicks. Dan Lanning, what
he said about Colorado that absolutely applies to Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, I mean that's that's the most real thing that
you can say about the Cowboys or that has been
said about the Cowboys in a long time. And we
didn't even need him to say it. But if you've
watched this Michael Parson's thing, you realize that this is
to stay in the news cycle. Yeah, Like from Jerry's perspective,
that's a win for him. It's costing him money, which
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is insane. Like, I mean, every day of this is
called him more money. They've seen other guys similar positions
get paid. Now Mike is going to want more than them,
and deservedly so at this point in his career. I mean,
this is how bad it is and how transparent it is.
And this is why, by the way, this is why,
until he either passes away or completely retires or is
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no longer controlling that team, you can go ahead and
count Dallas out. Yeah, you can count them out. I'm sorry.
You can count them out in terms of them being
truly relevant to a championship. And I hate that for
Dallas fans. I know some of them as pretty much.
I think everybody knows a Dallas fan or two because
they're a national brand. But this Michael Parsons deal, it
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is so transparent, Brian, that people are on Micah Parson's
side in a negotiation with ownership, where usually because it's
very hard to see things from a player's perspective because
the money involved and how different the job is, usually
you go with management. It's man pay Michah Parsons right
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like like it seems like it's been. I mean, I
wouldn't say it's unanimous, but the majority opinion just from
the sports watching public has been that Michah Parsons is
the one that is in the right or the one
that you support in this situation, not the owner. And
I think it's because transparently, you know, it's like, you know,
you want to pay this guy. I mean, what did
he say yesterday? He was just kind of like somebody
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asked him, ask Jerry Jones, you know what is it
that's stopping you from paying and getting this job done?
And he said nothing, Right, It's just like, what what
are we doing here? Man? Like, what is the goal
is not to win a Super Bowl? It's not. It's
just to make sure Dallas, the Dallas Cowboys are being
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talked about left and right, And to me, that's just like,
all right, fine, then stop putting them in prime time
because they're not a serious organization.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, now that's it. That's right on point. And that's
the thing is I think, I know Jerry Jones is
prioritizing the wrong thing. He'll say he wants to win
a Super Bowl worse than anything, but his actions don't
support that. It's one thing to say something. You can
go to the club and promise the most beautiful.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
Girl there the world.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Words don't matter, the actions do. If you take her
to Sizzler, and that's your equivalent of taking her on
a trip around the world. Like that, the actions don't
support the words. So that's where Jerry Jones is. He'll
say how much he wants to win a Super Bowl
and then his actions get in the way of that.
And so I think that there are two things happening here,
and I think there's the checkers level and the chess level.
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The first part is the checkers level. It's what you
talked about, Jason is the newest headline is Jerry Jones. Hey,
nothing's preventing the Parsons talks from happening. And so all
that is is Jerry Jones keeping this whole story relevant.
And what he's really doing, he's playing this game of
not my fault. That's really what it boils down to.
(23:01):
You read between the lines. He's saying, not my fault,
nothing's preventing us having talks with Parsons, Like read between
the lines except for Parsons, that's basically what he's saying.
Or like some of the other things that he's talked
about where he's like, I don't know why we're renegotiating,
he's basically saying I thought we had a deal done.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Again away so insane for an owner to say that, Oh,
like every contract that an owner or management has ever
put forth to an athlete is something that's been honored. Like,
let's be let's at least act like our audience understands
anything right.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
It's completely ridiculous. But this is the audio when he
said that.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
In the case of a player or contract, you have
to have it in writing all parties. Do we have
a contract in writing? Yet we're still talking about and
renegotiating it. So so much for that.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
He's totally putting the finger at Micah Parson's like, not
my fault. Maybe talk to him. I thought we had
a deal done.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Apparently not.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Jerry Jones is hinted that he's offered around two hundred
million dollars, which I don't believe at all. You had
Miles Garrett signed for one sixty. Why is he offering
two hundred. But again, it's a way to shift the
blame where it's like, not my fault. I'm offering him
the sun and the moon. I don't know why we
don't have a deal done. That's the checkers level. The
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chess level is why he's doing that. Jerry Jones is
smart enough to get a deal done quicker than it's
happening here. He just doesn't want to. He's looking at
this like why rush into this thing. Let's get some
headlines first, Let's get some people talking. Then eventually, way
down the road, after costing us way more money, we'll
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get the deal done. Cause he's about the soap opera
more than the super Bowl. That's what he's prioritizing here.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, I mean, there's no other way to read it
than that way. And then you know he had offered
him this extension back in like February. But then when
Parsons agent actually tried to, you know, get it actually
done right now, it goes radio silent, right like what
(25:14):
are we doing and what are you trying to create here?
Because this situation, the ceedee Lamb situation, even how long
it took to do what you were going to do
with Dak Prescott, like you do this. This is what
the Cowboys do with free agents or with guys that
they need to re sign, is that they wait and
they wait and they wait. It just seems like they
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never have a plan that makes any kind of sense.
Like that's how you end up with Brian Schottenneimer as
your head coach, same kind of deal. Like they're basically
the New York Knicks, but Jerry is marginally more likable
than James Dolan, and the Knicks seem to have a
better core right now because you don't have to feel
quite as many guys. And they've they've kind of stumbled
(25:57):
into it. But when they fired their coach, they didn't
have a plan here. You would feel like a lot
of guys would have taken that Cowboys job. But they
waited and they waited and they waited, and then Brian Schottenheimer, Yeah,
becomes the answer. I don't see the logic if you're
trying to win, but I no longer believe they are.
And even when Jerry's like, I just want to no,
you don't, man, because you make no decisions in a
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prudent manner that would actually get you to that goal.
You end up paying more money for guys than you
would have paid them if you would have just done
it earlier. And I think you're more interested in making
sure that you can listen to the sound of your
own voice on every radio show, podcast and TV show
in the country than you are your football team winning
games on Sundays, and to me, let's just be real,
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that's pathetic. Like, Okay, good business, I guess, except that
you're costing yourself more money a free agency. But the
legacy of the Dallas Cowboys diminishes by the year, as
does their relevance. We're getting to a point where we
talked about who was it that was born in two
thousand and six that you mentioned earlier. Oh yeah, Dylan Harby,
(27:02):
Yeah yeah, Harper. Right, So we're getting to a point
where there are guys that are graduating high school who
have never seen Dallas.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Be good or all rade never like.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Think about that. Like with the nineties Cowboys teams that
we know so well, are those are like highlight reels
from the black and white era that we watched when
we were kids. Oh there's Johnny Unitis throwing the football around,
but we never got to see it. It's the same thing.
Here's we're getting further and further away from the Dallas Cowboys'
mystique and now it's just kind of like, yeah, they're
(27:38):
just sort of a team with the giant brand that
never does anything, and that's that's pathetic. Like the legacy
of the Cowboys post Jerry Jones. They're gonna have to
almost restart and tear the thing down to the studs
and make the right choices where they're just going to
fade into obscurity outside of just the cycle that keeps
them alive.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
The craziest that is so the ninety five season, that's
the last time that Dallas has been in the NFC
Championship Game. That's the longest drought in the NFC. And
you start thinking about that, Jason, and you're like, wow,
is that right. You start going through all the teams
in the conference and you're like, man, the Bears, they've
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been in the title game since the Cowboys in ninety five.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
It's like, yeah, they were playing the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
They played in the Super Bowl, they were in the
NFC Title Game against the Packers. Remember the j Cutler injury,
and that'll Panthers played in two Super Bowls. That's right.
Look at Arizona, Arizona. It's like, man, they haven't been good. Well,
Kurt Warner was in the Super Bowl against the Steelers.
Every NFC team has been to the NFC Championship Game
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at least since the Cowboys did it in ninety five,
that ninety five season. That's like, wow, that that's how
long it's been. And you know, the funniest thing, the
dumbest part of this whole Jerry Jones approach of like
if it's if it's quiet, I'll stir it up. If
they had done the smart thing, if they had extended
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Micah Parsons way back in February he thought they had
a deal done, he actually involves the agent. You know,
they have a good business plan, they get it done,
they save their self themselves money in the long run.
Do you think that the Cowboys wouldn't be a story now?
You know what I mean? They're always a story regardless.
So it's like you're doing all this stuff for effect,
(29:27):
this soap opera effect, and it's not helping anything. You
still would be talked about regardless. You'd just be talked
about for the right reasons, like, hey man, Dallas, they've
got Michah Parsons sign seal delivered. No drama, we're talking
about Dak, We're talking about how far can the Cowboys go?
We talk about them regardless. So this idea that you've
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got to stir it up just so we focus on
them is totally wrong. We focus on them anyway.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, you can still win and make good business decisions
for the actual organization. In terms of the sporting side,
you can still do that and be talked about. You
already have the built in advantage of being the Dallas Cowboys,
so you're gonna be at the top of mind anyway.
You might as well actually be really good as well
as like you don't. It doesn't always have to be tabloid.
(30:17):
It doesn't have to be the National Inquirer or the
sky is falling. It could be the exact opposite, but
that's not how Jerry has seen it. It's like, yeah,
would we be talking as much about the Cowboys over
the last month if it wasn't for the Michael Parsons thing.
Probably not, because we think, well, they're signed, sealed and delivered,
they're ready to go for the year. You know, they
have what they're looking forward. But it's still the Cowboys,
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so you're still gonna be staying what of their prospects.
Everything about them is a debate, but it's not a
debate about them being good. It's just a debate about
this guy's not really that good and these guys aren't
gonna be very good, Like we get to it. This
is what's this is. I have thought this now for
a couple of years. But even with this Parsons thing, right,
(30:58):
I feel like Dallas has been home incredibly uninteresting as
a football team. Like I think that, yes, there's these
little stories and these little tidbits that create content, but
is it good content? Right? Like is this the kind
of content sports fans really desperately want? Or do we say,
here we go again with the Cowboys doing something ridiculous?
(31:21):
Like I just I find what they do on Sundays
to be incredibly mundane, Like I'm just not I'm not
interested when I see Dallas against anybody on TV at all.
And I feel like increasingly a lot of us in
the country, it's not even like Chiefs fatigue, or it's
not even fatigue. It's just like it's not gonna be good,
(31:41):
Like there's no reason for me to watch this because
the quality of the product is not gonna be worth
my time.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
No, it's well said. It's kind of like even though
I disagree with it, I at least understand it. When
it comes to the Chiefs, They've been in the Super
Bowl five of the last six years. Yes, that's insane,
and so I some people are just worn out and
it's like, oh my gosh, can we get new blood
in here. But for people to feel that way about
the Cowboys who haven't even sniffed an NFC championship game,
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let alone a Super Bowl appearance or winning the thing,
you know what I mean. We're so worn out by
them because it's just obnoxious, avoidable drama that's thrown in
our face all the time, and you're like, oh my gosh,
you guys are just idiots, you know what I mean,
And we're over it. We're just over it as far
as that goes. Hey real fast, just a minute here,
(32:32):
But you see this with Matthew Stafford, Rams quarterback still
has that back issue he's got.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
I'm worried, man, I'm worried about that. At his age
and just the amount of wear and tear on his body.
Dude's been a warrior as much as much as possible, considering,
you know, not having a O line and stuff for
a lot of his career in Detroit and all that.
But this back and having the epidural and all this.
I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't play half the
(32:58):
season when all is said and done. I don't mean
he's gonna miss the first half of the season. I
just mean he's gonna be He's gonna be one of
those like he's gonna be perpetually questionable.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Yeah, I feel like throughout the year he might be right.
It's an aggravated disc in his back. He missed practiced
again on uh on Wednesday, and so there's a he
spent time in a mobile rejuvenation chamber, and it's like, Wow,
that's where we're at right now. It's hey, man, whatever works.
Get a hyperbaric chamber, get a get voodoo going, get
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a witch doctor.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, whatever you gotta do to help his chances. But man,
it's uh, you could you might be right, j Martin,
you might have a decent dose of Jimmy g as
the Rams quarterback. If Stafford can't go, I don't know
how long this is going to be a lingering issue.
It very well could be throughout the entire season. We'll
see how that goes. But it's a team that went
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toe to toe with the World Champs Philly in Philly,
and if staff D can't go for a full seventeen
man that could eat into their win total big time.
So something to keep your eye on all right. Coming
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That is right, no doubt about that. I got some
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I'll do college football?
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Okay, I know you're a college football guy. So the
AP Top twenty five was released earlier this week, Right,
we get the top the AP Top twenty five poll,
first version of it. This will be the first time
in program history that Texas will enter the season as
the number one team in the nation. Does not blow
(36:02):
your mind.
Speaker 3 (36:03):
It's crazy. I can't.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
I can't believe that's the case. They didn't one time,
never happened.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
It seems crazy to me because they're always overrated. Yeah right, yeah,
exactly historically. I don't mean like right, and I actually
think they're rated properly right now. I'm just generally they're
a team that gets the benefit of the doubt. Where
a lot of others don't just because of the brand.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Yeah right, So I would have thought at one point
some time that they would have been like a preseason
number one team. I guess not his first time. That
blows my mind. Some baseball stuff that is mind blowing
as well. How about this? I love this The Colorado Rockies.
They are a dumpster fire.
Speaker 4 (36:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
They've won thirty two games this season. That's the fewest
in all of Major League Baseball. But they have six
wins after trailing in the ninth inning. That's the most
in Major League Baseball. They did it again against my
Cardinals yesterday, hit a two run homer in the ninth
they were trailing. They ended up winning by one run.
Fewest wins in the year, but the most wins when
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they're trailing in the ninth inning. That's that's freaking crazy.
How does that even happen?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
That is nuts? Like I said, I've said this before,
but like looking at their record this year, the fact
they have to play out the rest of the season
like it's cruel. I understand you're playing major League baseball,
but dude, how how fun it could it possibly be
to come to work being that bad and being like,
(37:35):
I mean, it's been this bad, it's been this way.
They've been out of it since like the third week
of the season. It's got worse and worse and worse
and worse. Like I understand maybe they at this point
it's comically like it's so bad it's good, almost like
a cult feeling there, but like, what are you going
to work to do? Play cards in the dugout? Like
what I don't under yeah, Like what do you what
(37:56):
are you coming to work to do at this point?
Are you just competing for another job with a reel
baseball team next year or that's tough? Man, Like, I
just feel like the depression would have set in on
a lot of those guys.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Man, and day in day out, you know, just get
your teeth kicked in like that. That's not great. It's
not really uplifting, you know, and then you lose faith
in your teammates where it's like, hey, we have on
the mounda tonight, gomber, Oh okay, this should be fun.
You know, it's just rough. Two others. So the Angels,
(38:29):
they're three games under five hundred. Their record is fifty
nine and sixty two. This year they're six and zero
against the Dodgers. How wild is that as they're smacking
around the Dodgers. They did it again last night, and
the Brewers they're out of their freaking minds right now.
They've won twelve straight free burgers for the entire city
of Milwaukee. How about that? There's a place. What's the
(38:51):
name of this place again? Lee, I forget it's uh,
we were looking it up earlier. George Weber. Yeah. Is
it Weber or is it Weaver? I'm sorry, I don't
think it's either. It's like George something. But you connected
it to Weber Weber somehow. I think it's totally different.
George Webb, George Weberg, George web there you go, thank you. Yeah,
apparently it's this place in Milwaukee. They've offered this for
(39:14):
a long long time. Now it's twelve straight wins. Is
the threshold free burgers for everybody in Milwaukee? That's how
crazy the Brewers are playing right now. How about that?
Speaker 3 (39:24):
I mean, look, it's if you're getting free burgers that often,
that's a positive, right, Like, I mean a lot of
local sports markets have stuff like that. I know right
here in Nashville when the Predators would win, you know,
there would be frosties all around Nashville and things like that.
It's a positive. It's a good thing to have. It
might not be good for well, actually it's probably good
(39:46):
for the cardiologists around the Milwaukee area as well. I
don't know as much for like the health of the
overall city. But yeh man, food is expensive, and fast
food has grown in terms of how much it costs.
I don't eat fast food anymore, so I didn't realize
how much it had gone up. But I read an article.
I was just like, wait, it costs how much? So, yeah,
(40:08):
that's actually a pretty good deal there.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Not bad. Yeah, the Brewers this record since July sixth,
they're twenty seven and four. They're out of their minds
right now. Now I mentioned birthdays, by the way, shout
out August fourteenth. We got some famous birthdays. How about
this trio here?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
J Martin?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
All right, we got Steve Martin, right good comedian yep,
Magic Johnson, Okay, halle Berry. That's a strong three famous
birthdays on August fourteenth right there.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
I would say that's very very good. Steve Martin might
be one of the just most gifted comedian, just talented
people in all of Hollywood. I've always found him to
be vastly underrated by a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, funny dude, absolutely, And this blows my mind too.
This might blow my mind more than anything else. Halle
Berry is fifth fifty nine. He's fifty nine years old.
Is too beautiful?
Speaker 3 (41:04):
Wow, good for her.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Hey, fun hanging with you, Jane Martin. Everybody, have a
good day. We'll catch you soon.
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