July 8, 2025 • 43 mins
Jonas and LaVar, filling in for Colin, believe JJ McCarthy should be allowed to struggle even though the Vikings have everything else in place. The golden era for the Steelers feels long gone while the Chiefs want to keep getting better. Plus, gripes with Brock Purdy and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (01:16):
Morrow as well too.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So we with that being said, here we open up
the show talking about Kirk Cousins, who on the latest
edition of Netflix's Quarterback Season two, he discussed how he
felt a little bit misled by the Atlanta Falcons in
drafting Michael Pennix Junior, the quarterback out of Washington, in
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the first round after Kirk Cousins signed his big deal there.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback was so
high at the time, it felt like I had been
a little bit misled, or certainly, if I had the
information around free agency, it certainly would have affected my decision.
I had no reason to leave Minnesota, how much we
loved it there if both teams are going to be
drafting a quarterback high. But I've also learned in twelve
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years in this league that you're not entitled anything. It's
all about being able to earn your spot and prove yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So that was Kirk Cousins not thrilled with the handling
of everything when it came to the Atlanta Falcons still
drafting a quarterback after giving him all that money to
beat the guy there and what a stayed put in Minnesota.
But the damn Atlanta Falcons decided, Hey, we'll throw you
a bunch of cash.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You'll be our guy, only to lo and behold.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Do the same thing the Minnesota Vikings did and take
a quarterback in the first round.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I mean, I can't understand where he's coming from. You
felt misled. I can get that, And if what the
conversation you had with them made you feel comfortable in
moving forward with them, then you made you made a decision. Listen,
Michael Pennix was taken with the eighth overall pick in
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the draft, and to me, when you look at that
twenty twenty four draft eighth pick, there had already been
some people would say perceivably most all of the top
talent was gone by that eighth pick. You still had
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bow Knicks and Michael Pennix still available. Now, your boys
saw something more in bow Knicks. Champagne saw something more
than anybody else did and felt as though he was
in great position to get his quarterback where he wanted
to get him from. Michael Pennix is a great unknown
because while he is a really, really fine quarterback, he
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has dealt with some injuries and serious ones. Yeah, and
so when you look at the health bill of Michael Pennix,
it made it questionable as to where he would fall
and what his value would be even though he had
a brilliant in season, maybe even worthy of the Heisman
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Trophy that year, how well he did. He was there,
He was there. The Atlanta Falcons had just picked up
a new head coach. You just added a journeyman. Now
he's a journeyman and he's hitting his third team, and
Kirk Cousins you have a starter. But if Minnesota saw
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you as being being expendable and being movable and they
moved you, why would you not think that? Now he
did say I didn't think they would take a quarterback
that high. But if you know that, you're gonna have
to eventually in the near future one to two years, Right,
we're saying one to two years time, maybe three out
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the most you gotta you have to replace Kirk Cousins
as your starter. Yes, yeah, okay, Then why would if
you have a quarterback that you believe is a really
really gifted quarterback at that eighth position and you didn't
think he was going to be there. Could it be
possible that the Atlanta Falcons gave him the real information
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at that point in time that was relevant and it
changed once you got to the eighth pick. In the
draft during draft day and Michael Pennix and Boat Nix
were still available.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean that would be my guess. I don't
think the Falcons straight up lied to him and said, oh,
we're absolutely not going to be taking a quarterback, because
they probably had some conversations and he said, look, I'm
not going back to Minnesota because they've already told me.
Minnesota was upfront and said, hey, we'd love to have
you back, but we're still taking a quarterback. I don't
think Atlanta straight up lied to him and said absolutely
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not under you know, it's not like he had to
sign a deal to guarantee they were going to take
a quarterback. I just think maybe Atlanta's the draft got closer,
fell in love with the idea of Michael Pennix junior,
and then when you look at just how the handling
of that was. They're reasoning afterwards, and I remember this
because I'm amongst along with a lot of other people,
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after they made the pick, was looking around going, really,
you just signed Kirk Cousins and you're drafting a quarterback.
Atlanta's reasoning was, we don't plan on drafting this high
and if it's a loaded draft, class. We don't plan
on being here this high again, so let's go and
get our guy for the future. Hopefully we don't have
to plan for a year or two.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
If you're projecting out and you're Atlanta and you're in
this draft with a new coach, you got a new
quarterback coming in through free agency that just came off
of a major surgery on his achilles, and you're moving
forward trying to figure out what you're going to do
with your team. Do you pass up on a quarterback
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with that draft class that you had a quarterbacks with
that Pennix class for the class that you would have
had this year, and what pick did you have in
this year's draft, And what quarterback would you have taken
in this year's draft that is going to be prepared
in the next year or this season in particular, right
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year two or year three that rookie would have had
to have been ready to play. In this case, year
one was when the quarterback needed to play. If I
got any quarterback out of this year's draft, out of
this year's draft, there is one quarterback that I would
say that I feel confident going into Week one with,
and that'd be cam Ward. I like Dart, Think Dart
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is cool, think he might have a good career. Maybe
name another one that bona fide and this year's pad,
this past draft that oh we're going to pass up
on a quarterback in this draft at the eighth pick.
Michael Pennix is right here, sitting here at the eighth pick,
and we have our pick. We're just going to pass
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them up. What would have been the other option? Why peel?
Why pheel? Let down? Why feel misled? It was there?
You got a guy that that can learn and sit
behind you, just like Jordan Love did. As soon as
it's your time to move on, he's ready to come in.
There shouldn't have been any issue with that.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I think this is this is more telling of the
fact that he didn't really want to leave me.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Come on, man, now that's not now you're preaching to
the sod, preach to the pews, peach preach to the people,
because that's the real point here.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
There was there was some discussion that the appeal of
Atlanta was the fact that his wife's family was from there,
and Kirk Cousins decided to have a conversation with Vikings.
They told him, we're going to draft a guy, and
so he feels like convinced himself.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
He was probably the guy. He was probably by the
idea that they were going to draft another quarterback, and
now he's having remorse.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And so then you start to hear this report that
came out courtesy of Alec Lewis of The Athletic and
talking about JJ McCarthy, who was drafted by the Vikings
last year. After Pennix and Alec Lewis of The Athletic writes,
the Vikings toss JJ McCarthy the keys to the Ferrari.
The directive is simple, take what's there. No need to
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be a hero. Expecting McCarthy to be perfect would be foolish.
Thinking he'll thrive on intermediate routes and anticipatory throws is fair.
Most everyone who has spent meaningful time around him raves
about him. How he looks will be one of the
biggest stories of the NFL season. Here's the other possible
big story of the NFL season. If Kirk Cousins feels
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this way about the situation. And Kirk Cousins pointed out
and it was pretty obvious, basically having to learn a
whole new system, a whole new offense, struggling to do
so after feeling so comfortab and confident in Kevin O'Connell's system.
If something does happen to JJ McCarthy, and I'm curious
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to see what that leash looks like for him, considering
they feel like they've got a Super Bowl contending team
Kirk Cousins a year removed from his achilles. If JJ
McCarthy's not up to snuff early on, I could see
Minnesota maybe potentially contacting Atlanta and being like, what would
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it take if like the idea of, well, you know,
if you don't have JJ McCarthy performing, we've got somebody
else in the room that could get it done. If
you're Minnesota and you feel like you've got a legitimate team,
if there's an injury, if he's not performing well, Atlanta's
still holding on to Kirk Cousins. They picked up his
ten million dollar option, they weren't willing to trade him.
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Minnesota might get desperate, and Kirk Cousins might ultimately get
what he wanted the whole time, which is to not
have to leave there and go back to where he
played his best football career.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I mean, it's a dream scenario for Kirk Cousins, if
it were to play out in that manner, is it likely?
I don't think it's likely. Now, is it possible? Anything
is possible.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Because they Minnesota and JJ McCarthy's the envy of I
think a lot of quarterbacks around the NFL because of
how set up and ready to go they are.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yes, And it's almost like, hey, just don't screw it up.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, But if he did, and you're Kevin O'Connell and
you have this great relationship with Kirk Cousins, and he's
basically telling you what is screwing.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
It up and how far like, how far along are
we in the season, what is considered to be screwing
it up? Because that that has to play a major
part in how this all plays out, because that is
a high draft pick and this is in essence his
rookie season.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They're they're in this weird spot because they can compete,
especially in the NFC, especially in that division, like they
we can compete to win. I don't know how patient
they really want to be if he's going through those
growing pains. I mean, if it looks like bad, if
it looks awful, I just I wonder if they would
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be considering early in the season. Hey man, this doesn't
look right. We need to bring in a veteran here
and let's sit JJ McCarthy down and give him an opportunity.
Understanding you're running the risk of potentially damaging his confidence
moving forward. I just can't imagine the Vikings are going
to deal with this is the prois win season with
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this roster.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
This is the problem I have with this microwave as
culture that we live in in twenty twenty six, twenty
twenty five, hitting into twenty six, is that everybody wants
things so quickly that you've lost sight and you've lost
track of the idea that struggling and pain and failure
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is a part of the growth process. Like people expect
a top draft pick to come in and be lights out,
if that man struggles, you should actually expect him to
struggle more than you should expect him to thrive and
be successful, because he has to learn the speed of
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the game. He has to learn what they're doing to him.
He has to learn what it is to be playing
out there on the field as a pro quarterback. That is,
I don't care if it's year one, you go on
the field, two, three, four or whatever. The moment you
get out there on the field is when you start
the real learning of how to either succeed or figuring
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out that you can't. If he has a slow start,
that doesn't mean he's a failure. If he doesn't play
well to begin with, it doesn't mean abort the mission.
It just means that he's going through a growth, growth
period of time where he has to understand what his
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preparation is. Get some film on in the cam where
you can study what are these defensive coordinators trying to
do to me? Can you comprehend it? Can your coaches
comprehend it? Can you guys sit together and come together
and come up with solutions? Can the receivers help you?
Can the offensive lineman help you and let you know, Okay, hey,
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you might not realize that they're stemming to this and
they're running this coverage and they're blitzing you when you
do this, when we run this route, they're doing this,
they're bringing pressure from the secondary. These are things, little
things that you start to learn and the game starts
to slow down for you once you see enough reps.
If you never gave the kid enough time to get
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the reps on film. How do you know if he's
going to be able to adapt and to adjust to
being a successful NFL quarterback. If you expect them to
be great from day one.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I'm with you. I think you've got to expect growing pains.
I think you've got to expect that they're going to
go through early struggles. And I hate the fact that
it is a microwave NFL to where they're going to
turn turn it over and go in another direction that quick.
But I say that in acknowledging that Minnesota is in
a really unique spot and.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Your alternative and that unique spot is to go get
your cousins. I'm just saying that's lost job in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm just saying that's a possibility, because if you're a Landa,
you're in this unique spot to where you're juggling. We're
a contender, we're legitimately a super Bowl contender, but we've
also got a young quarterback we're going to try and develop,
and we're gonna we've got to go through the rookie
growing pains while trying to be a contender.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
It's just a really, can I just say this, Jonas,
you allow, you'll allow, you allow Donald to leave. Yes,
after you had the season that you had, even though
it ended poorly, you had a very very fine season,
like one of the best of all teams in the
National Football League with Sam Darnold. You let him go
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after the season you had with him. That says all
I need to know about what your confidence level is
and what you believe him being competent, him being prepared,
and him being the guy that you want him to be.
If you let the person that took over for Kirk
Cousins and took over for injured JJ McCarthy, you let
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him go. You didn't keep him on the roster. If
you were so caught up into having a safety valve
situation for JJ McCarthy where we got to have the
conversation about Kirk Cousins coming from Atlanta, you do not
allow that man to leave the building. Case closed. They
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made their decision. They said that the value is not
with Sam Darnold. It's clearly with the talent that they
have with this team, and we can plug and play
at the quarterback's position if that quarterback has at least
the amount of talent that we saw with Sam Darnold
or Kirk Cousins, keep in mind, Kirk Cousins wasn't your
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first pick when he came into the league. He wasn't.
He came in much like a Michael Pennix. You're the backup.
You got drafted, but you're the backup to a same
draft class quarterback. He got his chance after injuries, took
over for RG three. If RG three doesn't get injured,
we're not even talking about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
See do you think that the leash will be as
long as it would be in a normal situation with
a young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yes, because they made it. They made it this way Minnesota.
They have to give him a long leash because they
made it this way.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's a really it's a really interesting team to watch
because that's that's the big question mark. And he is
a rookie, because nobody knows, nobody has any idea.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You gotta ripe with it because you allowed what is
a known commodity to your team walk. You let him
go and he's still in the NFC. They don't seem
to be too concerned about Sam Darnold leaving Minnesota. I
ain't hurt see no articles or seeing anybody. I got
remorse the fact that he's not here anymore, and this,
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that and the other. You don't see anything coming out
of Minnesota but positivity. Because they're loaded loaded. You won't
be doing again today. They are loaded. Drew could go
out there, be to quarterback for the Minnesota Viking. Better
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not he could daddy go Vikings.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yo, daddy, your daddy, did da listen? So look, Kirk,
if you're pissed off like you were on Netflix about
being get over it, bro about being misled. Who knows,
maybe things go sideways and you'll be back in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Who got millions and millions upon millions of reasons to
be just fine in the situation you're in right now.
By the way, you know what.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
He's kind of funny though, the way Alec lewis of
the athletic rights. He says, the Vikings tossed JJ McCarthy
the keys to a Ferrari. It's how much pressure do
you think that guy feels? Hey, buddy, don't screw this up.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Let's push button to start.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Hey, JJ parking over out back, parallel it and don't
death aside.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Okay, you gave him ever played before. You gave him
a key so that he could give it to valet
and they can see that it's a ferrari because you
don't even need it to start the car. It IST's
be clear. It is The Herd.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox in
for Colin, and you can hang out with this as
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Speaker 3 (19:33):
Coming up next here though.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
We are going to tell you about how one Hall
of Famer says another quarterback really didn't get a fair shot.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
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mister Pittsburgh mister four one two.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, we're three Rivers meet baby.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
All right, Well, apparently there's a there's some people not
so happy about the handling of one quarterback situation in
Pittsburgh and normally where that Well, you've got Carnegie mellon.
Well you've got Kenny Kennyett, Kenny Pigott, who's no longer
a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He had to leave
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there to go win a Super Bowl in Philly. He
did beat it, nonetheless, did lead the state. No he didn't,
but he did go to Ohio, so not far away.
But now he's among the cast of characters that make
up the quarterback room in Cleveland. Terry Bradshaw, Oh, another
legendary Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Not a fan of Mike Tomlin, was on.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
The To the Point Home Services podcast and did not
agree with the handling of one Kenny Pickett in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
They just get rid of Kenny Pickett, a first rounder,
got rid of him ap to two years, all right,
and they're still looking for a quarterback. They didn't even
do anything to build around him. Sam Darnold goes into Minnesota,
look at all those weapons, all those weapons, and look
what happened.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
So that was Terry Bradshaw's summarizing the He got a
little older, but what he said was clear. I'll say
that it's not it's not a sentiment to really disagree
with what what what I mean? What are you going
to say to disagree with the fact that what did
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you really do to one develop Kenny Pickett, two put
in front of him the opportunities to have the success,
and three if it wasn't going to be him, what
was your contingency plans upon not using him?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So when we were in we did the show from
Las Vegas at the Draft and we were doing the
morning show there, which, by the way, let me just
tell you something, whoever's idea that was great idea to
have us at three in the morning doing two pros
and a cup of Joe right next to the escalator
next to Hakassan at the MGM Grands.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
It was clearly an escape route of women of the evening,
oh my God, and men of the evening down.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
The way, big big fans of LeVar Arrington one of
them was, yeah, I want to I got the pants
to show for the evidence was there. She did the
LeVar leap and you know, all three of them jumped out,
but Stirt my coffee and everything.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The uh.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
We were there though.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And one of the storylines that let off Friday morning
after the first round of the draft was the Steelers
taking Kenny Pickett and having the discussion about man, they
were going nuts.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Saves a lot of positive energy connected to me.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, Like everyone was really really excited about it because
he was a Pittsburgh guy.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They needed to go in the direction. Played at Pittsburgh
New Jersey kid I believe, played for Pittsburgh College, and.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So they they draft him, and the feeling was, all right,
this makes way too much sense. There were some people
looking at it going, yeah, but you know, they missed
out on Dan Marino, they should have drafted him, and
now they've got Kenny Pickett, so maybe they'll this will
undo you know, kind of half kidding, maybe this will
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undo the wrong of not drafting Dan Marino and bring
it in Kenny Pickett and then you see how it
plays out. And it was one of those situations where
be careful what you wish for you just might get it.
It didn't work. And whether you want to blame Matt Canada,
the offensive coordinator, which was people were very critical of him,
not happy with the way.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That he was probably a well placed assessment and a
well placed conclusion that Canada wasn't the guy.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But there was also the incident that took place I
think in Seattle, and Mark Madden, the radio host in Pittsburgh,
was pointing this out at the time that Kenny Pickett
had an opportunity late in the year there as the
Steelers are trying to make a push for the playoffs
to suit up, but he wasn't going to start, and
Kenny Pickett opted not to suit up. Now there's Kenny
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Pickett's refuted that, but there's enough people there that are like, no,
he chose not to play and that didn't sit well
with Mike Tomlin and with other members of the organization there.
And so whether you want to blame it on what
wasn't around Kenny Pickett or not, it just was bad
from the get go. It didn't work, like there wasn't
like Kenny Pickett. That wasn't the best situation for him,
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and Kenny Pickett wasn't the best quarterback in that situation
for the Steelers through and through. But it does further
the fact that at quarterback they've been a mess for
a long time. And we've discussed the Russell Wilson, Justin
Field stuff, the Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph. This goes back
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to Ben Roethlisberger second to last year, maybe the last
time they've had legitimate quarterback play. And there's all sorts
of fingers that could be pointed in all sorts of
different directions. But it's why I made the point yesterday.
Man If Justin Fields goes out there and looks the
part that everyone thinks that he has the potential to
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do so and say, Russell Wilson, as you laid out,
looks the part in New York with the Giants, all
of the questions are going to be asked of Mike
Tomlin and all the fingers are going to be pointing
in the direction of the Steelers quarterback or Steelers handling
of development developing quarterbacks there since Ben Roethlisberger. And it's
a problem because we're looking at close to a decade,
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we're getting close where they have not had an answer
at that position, the most important position in the sport.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know what's interesting, Le'Veon Bell was the best running
back you've had since the bus when when Ben Roethlisberger
came into the league, he was able to be developed
in a scheme where they had one of the best
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defenses ever in the history of the game, one of
the top defenses in there for discussion, and you had
a very very elite group of leaders in that locker
room on offense, mainly mainly Jerome Bettis the the support
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of having a running game with Jerome Bettist and Willie Parker,
you'll remember Fast Willie. Yeah, you had Willie Parker, and
you had an offensive line that was outstanding. You had
receivers and Heinz Ward and Santonio Holmes, guys like that
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that were elite and outstanding. When you look at where
this team is from where they won that Super Bowl
where they went on the road and won, and then
they came back and were able to do it again
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against against the Arizona Cardinals, this was a team that
had such a structured leadership that allowed the growth and
allowed for Ben Roethlisberger to ease and settle in to
being the quarterback that he would eventually become Kenny Pickett
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did not have that luxury. Now you don't have like
Naje Harris pretty good running back, not elite. Mendenhall pretty
good running back, not elite. Le'Veon Bell was the best
that you had, and that fell off of the tracks.
Antonio Brown with that whole, Mike Wallace and all those guys.
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It was a real golden period for receivers in Pittsburgh
for a time. That doesn't seem to be the case lately.
You don't seem to see an established guy, even Pickens
being as good as he was. You don't see the
established leadership on this team that Ben Roethlisberger was brought into,
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not on the defensive side of the ball. While I'll
give Cam Hayward a of credit for being a great leader,
you know, I don't know how well TJ. Watt leads.
I don't know. I'm sure he's a great leader, find
leader of men. I'm not sure the other guys on
that unit. But you never had to question it in
years past, whether it was Joey Porter and James Ferrier
(30:21):
and and you know, James Harrison or to to you know,
guys like I mean, if you want to go back
before them. You're talking about guys like Greg Lloyd and
Kevin Green and Levon Kirkland and guys like that. You
have always had defined leadership at those positions. At the
(30:41):
receiver's position, You've always had an anchor guy. At the
running backs position. You've always had an anchor guy. On
the defensive linebackers, defensive ends, and the secondary. You have
always had defined guys, whether it was Troy Polamalu or
it was Rod Woodson than Cornell Lake or Darren Perry.
(31:03):
The bottom line here is we're pinpointing a position as
a failure to launch. But there's really a bigger issue
going on in Pittsburgh right now, and it's the total
hold of what the fabric of this Pittsburgh Steelers team is.
(31:23):
You don't have what has been the winning solution and
the winning recipe. You have some of the pieces of
the recipe, but it does not taste like what it's
tasted like in years past. Even when they didn't win
Super Bowls, they didn't win Super Bowls with Greg Lloyd
and Kevin Green in them. They lost to the Dallas Cowboys.
I remember where I was at upset. I remember those days.
(31:46):
But they were close every year AFC championship games, make
it to the Super Bowl, they were close every year.
They've digressed and that approach. They have not been that competitive.
And they in a lot of ways were able to
benefit from Ben Roethlisberger being in an environment and around
players that were elite. Yeah, nobody has had that in
(32:11):
recent years as a quarterback in Pittsburgh. So it's very
difficult to say you got to pinpoint the quarterback as
the problem in Pittsburgh. It is the play calling, but
it is ultimately the players that are in that locker
room as well.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And Roethlisberger was destabilizing. He was sort of the consistency
from one coaching regime to the next because he was
at the end of Bill Cower, he was at the
beginning of Mike Tomlin, and then he's not there anymore,
and now you're just looking around, going all right, so
what is the plan? Because to your point, they were
always considered a threat in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Always everybody was a little brother to the Steelers. That's
over now, the Ravens, anybody else. The Ravens were the
only ones that would give you the idea that man
like this could be the year that they could deal
with them. But they were mirror image teams. That's that's
overs and Cincinnati had their run with Marvin Lewis, but
they just weren't very good in the playoffs. They were
(33:06):
pretty good during the regular season. Always had a talented team,
same with the Browns, always have had talented teams, just
can't win. They're they're a fringe playoff team now they are.
And there's if you're looking at the levels in the AFC,
You've obviously got the upper echelon in Kansas City, You've
got Buffalo, You've got Baltimore, and then I almost look at,
(33:27):
you know, a team like Denver as more of a
threat than I look at a team like Pittsburgh now,
just based on where they're at, which is look, they
tried some different stuff this offseason. They spent some money,
they did all that, you know Terry Bradshaw talking about.
They didn't surround Kenny Pickett. They had him, they drafted him.
They didn't do enough to surround him. Maybe maybe not,
(33:48):
maybe some of that was his fault. I just think
overall there's been some slipping there and it's no longer
the vaunted, feared, Pittsburgh Steelers that it once you got
to take a look at the larger, You got to
take a look at the whole entire roster, because what
they were doing was they were winning and they were developing.
I mean, you think about James Harrison, he's going to
(34:10):
be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think he's
coming up pretty soon here to have his opportunity to
go into the Hall of Fame. He was not a starter.
He did not make the roster. He was getting put
on the practice squad and worse, he was getting cut.
Wasn't even good enough to be on the team at
one point. And now he's going to be a Hall
(34:30):
of Famer. It's because they had a culture that forced
you to fit what it was to be a Pittsburgh
Steeler football player. And I do not think that exists today.
And that's kind of a sad thing to say, but
I do not think it exists. Ask any of these Steelers.
There might be a handful of guys that understand what
(34:54):
that statement means.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Guys more the good old days when Jeff Reid the
kicker was just walk around Pittsburgh with a shirt off bombed,
you know, and then he got nearly got in a
fight at the Hall of Fame game because he's got
a drunken public there.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He's just annihilated.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And then you had was it Todd Haley the offensive
form mat Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
They haven't been good since Todd Haley left. Todd Haley
went out after a win.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
He was at the Tequila Cowboy in Pittsburgh and got
into a fight with some guy and some guy shoved
him down.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I think he broke his hip.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
But like you just those are the good old days
where you could really see what was going on there
in Pittsburgh and you could see the direction of the
organization and exactly what they were, what they were planning,
and what the goal was is as a team, and
the fan base said something to rally around. And now
we're just looking at him going, listen, let's hope this
(35:45):
one works, and let's hope this edition of the Steelers works,
because the one that we've rolled out the past five, six,
seven years just hasn't. You've been one and done in
the playoffs and it's been a long ass time since
they've had any success there.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
So he's a suit chaos. It leads us suit outside
the window on that last situation.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
By the way, we're trying to figure out what's because
a bull elephant just walked by, and we're trying to
figure out how you are ridiculous for shooting.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
You are ridiculous for pulling the trigger on that lee.
I will never go hunting with you.
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That's one hell of a quarterback room. Johnson got to
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Come on, guys, come on, Yeah to the NFL we go.
She'sa offense had a roller coaster season, but Patrick Mahomes
thinks they're ready for a breakout season. Here's what he
told Upp and Adams about the expectations for the offense
this upcoming year.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
I think it's just gonna be. It's gonna come from everywhere.
We have so many weapons. Let's go out there and
just maximize at all. It's not gonna be just one person.
It's gonna be the entire offense going out there in
showcase what the Chakansas City Chiefs truly are.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
It's coming from everywhere, guys. I mean, look, they got
a lot to prove. Yeah without with with having already
proven a ton.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Because it wasn't like it looked all that great last year.
I mean sixteenth in total offense. Yeah, it wasn't, you know,
So there you go. Mahomes didn't have his signature.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Year that is literally middle of the pack.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah. And Kelsey, you know, he compiled a bunch of receptions.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
And all that. But you know he's girl friend was
more important than he was. Yeah, to the offense and
to the chiefs last year. I mean, think about it.
She was a more vital part, critical part to the
show than they. Okay, so think about that.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Though, even with that production offensively in that conference, they
still want it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
That's that's scary. That's what makes the whole thing scary.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
The year before they had to go on the road
to do it all, did that too, and then this
past year the offense wasn't up to snuff. They couldn't
get it together or get any consistent consistency going. And
still they figured out to get to the Super Bowl
anyways and lose the third one, right, the third in
a row, which again sixteenth and offensive ranking lose the
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Super Bowl. Everybody feels high and uplifted about the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Eagles and how they built their team. Oh, by the way,
a team that Andy Reid coached and had great success
with the GM was GMing there with learning and learning
the ropes, and they brought that to Kansas City. There
is a bird there. There is a whole lot of inspiration,
(40:18):
I'm certain for a lot of people inside Kansas City
Kingdom that want to have a great year this year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
You know, I feel bad for I feel bad for
chiefs Aholock, the guy who was Robin Banks dressed up
as a Chiefs master with a big mother efforts, because man,
that guy was a Chiefs fan when they were you know,
rolling out like Steve Bono and Nick Lowry and all this,
and you know he's rooting on Christian Okoye and Barry
Word and now there.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Was here was he their fan back then. Oh of
course he was.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I think he was like a school Chiefs fan.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
And now they've got this dynasty where all they know
is conference championship game losses in overtime or Super Bowls,
and the guy's stuck in prison. Dan, he's in Shawshank
while they're out. They're putting a dynasty together after all
that time you put it. It's too bad, man.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
But he was really robbing them banks though. Hey, yeah
he was. He was, all right, that's correct. We'll wrap
up with this rock.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Perty got his big payday, but he did lose his
wide receiver, Deebo Samuel. Here he was on the Busting
with Boys podcasts talking about what it meant to lose Debo.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
This sucks, dude. He's my boy. You know, I love
Deebo day one. He's always on my back and believed
in me.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
When I got in, I didn't really know, you know,
how the guys were gonna take it.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
When I did get.
Speaker 8 (41:38):
Thrown in, Jimmy went down, I was like the last
quarterback in uh debot. Man was nothing but just great
to me, dude, building me up and just give me confidence.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Man. In games.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
You know, we fed off each other's energy and building
each other up like it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
By the way, they was definitely feeding off one another
for one one more than the other they say these day.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
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Speaker 9 (42:10):
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Speaker 7 (42:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:16):
Morrow as well too.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So we with that being said, here we open up
the show talking about Kirk Cousins, who on the latest
edition of Netflix's Quarterback Season two, he discussed how he
felt a little bit misled by the Atlanta Falcons in
drafting Michael Pennix Junior, the quarterback out of Washington, in
(01:42):
the first round after Kirk Cousins signed his big deal there.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback was so
high at the time, it felt like I had been
a little bit misled, or certainly, if I had the
information around free agency, it certainly would have affected my decision.
I had no reason to leave Minnesota, how much we
loved it there if both teams are going to be
drafting a quarterback high. But I've also learned in twelve
(02:06):
years in this league that you're not entitled anything. It's
all about being able to earn your spot and prove yourself.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
So that was Kirk Cousins not thrilled with the handling
of everything when it came to the Atlanta Falcons still
drafting a quarterback after giving him all that money to
beat the guy there and what a stayed put in Minnesota.
But the damn Atlanta Falcons decided, Hey, we'll throw you
a bunch of cash.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
You'll be our guy, only to lo and behold.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Do the same thing the Minnesota Vikings did and take
a quarterback in the first round.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
I mean, I can't understand where he's coming from. You
felt misled. I can get that, And if what the
conversation you had with them made you feel comfortable in
moving forward with them, then you made you made a decision. Listen,
Michael Pennix was taken with the eighth overall pick in
(03:00):
the draft, and to me, when you look at that
twenty twenty four draft eighth pick, there had already been
some people would say perceivably most all of the top
talent was gone by that eighth pick. You still had
(03:20):
bow Knicks and Michael Pennix still available. Now, your boys
saw something more in bow Knicks. Champagne saw something more
than anybody else did and felt as though he was
in great position to get his quarterback where he wanted
to get him from. Michael Pennix is a great unknown
because while he is a really, really fine quarterback, he
(03:42):
has dealt with some injuries and serious ones. Yeah, and
so when you look at the health bill of Michael Pennix,
it made it questionable as to where he would fall
and what his value would be even though he had
a brilliant in season, maybe even worthy of the Heisman
(04:04):
Trophy that year, how well he did. He was there,
He was there. The Atlanta Falcons had just picked up
a new head coach. You just added a journeyman. Now
he's a journeyman and he's hitting his third team, and
Kirk Cousins you have a starter. But if Minnesota saw
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you as being being expendable and being movable and they
moved you, why would you not think that? Now he
did say I didn't think they would take a quarterback
that high. But if you know that, you're gonna have
to eventually in the near future one to two years, Right,
we're saying one to two years time, maybe three out
(04:51):
the most you gotta you have to replace Kirk Cousins
as your starter. Yes, yeah, okay, Then why would if
you have a quarterback that you believe is a really
really gifted quarterback at that eighth position and you didn't
think he was going to be there. Could it be
possible that the Atlanta Falcons gave him the real information
(05:13):
at that point in time that was relevant and it
changed once you got to the eighth pick. In the
draft during draft day and Michael Pennix and Boat Nix
were still available.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I mean that would be my guess. I don't
think the Falcons straight up lied to him and said, oh,
we're absolutely not going to be taking a quarterback, because
they probably had some conversations and he said, look, I'm
not going back to Minnesota because they've already told me.
Minnesota was upfront and said, hey, we'd love to have
you back, but we're still taking a quarterback. I don't
think Atlanta straight up lied to him and said absolutely
(05:47):
not under you know, it's not like he had to
sign a deal to guarantee they were going to take
a quarterback. I just think maybe Atlanta's the draft got closer,
fell in love with the idea of Michael Pennix junior,
and then when you look at just how the handling
of that was. They're reasoning afterwards, and I remember this
because I'm amongst along with a lot of other people,
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after they made the pick, was looking around going, really,
you just signed Kirk Cousins and you're drafting a quarterback.
Atlanta's reasoning was, we don't plan on drafting this high
and if it's a loaded draft, class. We don't plan
on being here this high again, so let's go and
get our guy for the future. Hopefully we don't have
to plan for a year or two.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
If you're projecting out and you're Atlanta and you're in
this draft with a new coach, you got a new
quarterback coming in through free agency that just came off
of a major surgery on his achilles, and you're moving
forward trying to figure out what you're going to do
with your team. Do you pass up on a quarterback
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with that draft class that you had a quarterbacks with
that Pennix class for the class that you would have
had this year, and what pick did you have in
this year's draft, And what quarterback would you have taken
in this year's draft that is going to be prepared
in the next year or this season in particular, right
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year two or year three that rookie would have had
to have been ready to play. In this case, year
one was when the quarterback needed to play. If I
got any quarterback out of this year's draft, out of
this year's draft, there is one quarterback that I would
say that I feel confident going into Week one with,
and that'd be cam Ward. I like Dart, Think Dart
(07:36):
is cool, think he might have a good career. Maybe
name another one that bona fide and this year's pad,
this past draft that oh we're going to pass up
on a quarterback in this draft at the eighth pick.
Michael Pennix is right here, sitting here at the eighth pick,
and we have our pick. We're just going to pass
(07:57):
them up. What would have been the other option? Why peel?
Why pheel? Let down? Why feel misled? It was there?
You got a guy that that can learn and sit
behind you, just like Jordan Love did. As soon as
it's your time to move on, he's ready to come in.
There shouldn't have been any issue with that.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I think this is this is more telling of the
fact that he didn't really want to leave me.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Come on, man, now that's not now you're preaching to
the sod, preach to the pews, peach preach to the people,
because that's the real point here.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
There was there was some discussion that the appeal of
Atlanta was the fact that his wife's family was from there,
and Kirk Cousins decided to have a conversation with Vikings.
They told him, we're going to draft a guy, and
so he feels like convinced himself.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
He was probably the guy. He was probably by the
idea that they were going to draft another quarterback, and
now he's having remorse.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
And so then you start to hear this report that
came out courtesy of Alec Lewis of The Athletic and
talking about JJ McCarthy, who was drafted by the Vikings
last year. After Pennix and Alec Lewis of The Athletic writes,
the Vikings toss JJ McCarthy the keys to the Ferrari.
The directive is simple, take what's there. No need to
(09:24):
be a hero. Expecting McCarthy to be perfect would be foolish.
Thinking he'll thrive on intermediate routes and anticipatory throws is fair.
Most everyone who has spent meaningful time around him raves
about him. How he looks will be one of the
biggest stories of the NFL season. Here's the other possible
big story of the NFL season. If Kirk Cousins feels
(09:46):
this way about the situation. And Kirk Cousins pointed out
and it was pretty obvious, basically having to learn a
whole new system, a whole new offense, struggling to do
so after feeling so comfortab and confident in Kevin O'Connell's system.
If something does happen to JJ McCarthy, and I'm curious
(10:07):
to see what that leash looks like for him, considering
they feel like they've got a Super Bowl contending team
Kirk Cousins a year removed from his achilles. If JJ
McCarthy's not up to snuff early on, I could see
Minnesota maybe potentially contacting Atlanta and being like, what would
(10:29):
it take if like the idea of, well, you know,
if you don't have JJ McCarthy performing, we've got somebody
else in the room that could get it done. If
you're Minnesota and you feel like you've got a legitimate team,
if there's an injury, if he's not performing well, Atlanta's
still holding on to Kirk Cousins. They picked up his
ten million dollar option, they weren't willing to trade him.
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Minnesota might get desperate, and Kirk Cousins might ultimately get
what he wanted the whole time, which is to not
have to leave there and go back to where he
played his best football career.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I mean, it's a dream scenario for Kirk Cousins, if
it were to play out in that manner, is it likely?
I don't think it's likely. Now, is it possible? Anything
is possible.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Because they Minnesota and JJ McCarthy's the envy of I
think a lot of quarterbacks around the NFL because of
how set up and ready to go they are.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yes, And it's almost like, hey, just don't screw it up.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Yes, But if he did, and you're Kevin O'Connell and
you have this great relationship with Kirk Cousins, and he's
basically telling you what is screwing.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
It up and how far like, how far along are
we in the season, what is considered to be screwing
it up? Because that that has to play a major
part in how this all plays out, because that is
a high draft pick and this is in essence his
rookie season.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They're they're in this weird spot because they can compete,
especially in the NFC, especially in that division, like they
we can compete to win. I don't know how patient
they really want to be if he's going through those
growing pains. I mean, if it looks like bad, if
it looks awful, I just I wonder if they would
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be considering early in the season. Hey man, this doesn't
look right. We need to bring in a veteran here
and let's sit JJ McCarthy down and give him an opportunity.
Understanding you're running the risk of potentially damaging his confidence
moving forward. I just can't imagine the Vikings are going
to deal with this is the prois win season with
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this roster.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
This is the problem I have with this microwave as
culture that we live in in twenty twenty six, twenty
twenty five, hitting into twenty six, is that everybody wants
things so quickly that you've lost sight and you've lost
track of the idea that struggling and pain and failure
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is a part of the growth process. Like people expect
a top draft pick to come in and be lights out,
if that man struggles, you should actually expect him to
struggle more than you should expect him to thrive and
be successful, because he has to learn the speed of
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the game. He has to learn what they're doing to him.
He has to learn what it is to be playing
out there on the field as a pro quarterback. That is,
I don't care if it's year one, you go on
the field, two, three, four or whatever. The moment you
get out there on the field is when you start
the real learning of how to either succeed or figuring
(13:43):
out that you can't. If he has a slow start,
that doesn't mean he's a failure. If he doesn't play
well to begin with, it doesn't mean abort the mission.
It just means that he's going through a growth, growth
period of time where he has to understand what his
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preparation is. Get some film on in the cam where
you can study what are these defensive coordinators trying to
do to me? Can you comprehend it? Can your coaches
comprehend it? Can you guys sit together and come together
and come up with solutions? Can the receivers help you?
Can the offensive lineman help you and let you know, Okay, hey,
(14:26):
you might not realize that they're stemming to this and
they're running this coverage and they're blitzing you when you
do this, when we run this route, they're doing this,
they're bringing pressure from the secondary. These are things, little
things that you start to learn and the game starts
to slow down for you once you see enough reps.
If you never gave the kid enough time to get
(14:48):
the reps on film. How do you know if he's
going to be able to adapt and to adjust to
being a successful NFL quarterback. If you expect them to
be great from day one.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
I'm with you. I think you've got to expect growing pains.
I think you've got to expect that they're going to
go through early struggles. And I hate the fact that
it is a microwave NFL to where they're going to
turn turn it over and go in another direction that quick.
But I say that in acknowledging that Minnesota is in
a really unique spot and.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Your alternative and that unique spot is to go get
your cousins. I'm just saying that's lost job in Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
I'm just saying that's a possibility, because if you're a Landa,
you're in this unique spot to where you're juggling. We're
a contender, we're legitimately a super Bowl contender, but we've
also got a young quarterback we're going to try and develop,
and we're gonna we've got to go through the rookie
growing pains while trying to be a contender.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
It's just a really, can I just say this, Jonas,
you allow, you'll allow, you allow Donald to leave. Yes,
after you had the season that you had, even though
it ended poorly, you had a very very fine season,
like one of the best of all teams in the
National Football League with Sam Darnold. You let him go
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after the season you had with him. That says all
I need to know about what your confidence level is
and what you believe him being competent, him being prepared,
and him being the guy that you want him to be.
If you let the person that took over for Kirk
Cousins and took over for injured JJ McCarthy, you let
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him go. You didn't keep him on the roster. If
you were so caught up into having a safety valve
situation for JJ McCarthy where we got to have the
conversation about Kirk Cousins coming from Atlanta, you do not
allow that man to leave the building. Case closed. They
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made their decision. They said that the value is not
with Sam Darnold. It's clearly with the talent that they
have with this team, and we can plug and play
at the quarterback's position if that quarterback has at least
the amount of talent that we saw with Sam Darnold
or Kirk Cousins, keep in mind, Kirk Cousins wasn't your
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first pick when he came into the league. He wasn't.
He came in much like a Michael Pennix. You're the backup.
You got drafted, but you're the backup to a same
draft class quarterback. He got his chance after injuries, took
over for RG three. If RG three doesn't get injured,
we're not even talking about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
See do you think that the leash will be as
long as it would be in a normal situation with
a young quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yes, because they made it. They made it this way Minnesota.
They have to give him a long leash because they
made it this way.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
It's a really it's a really interesting team to watch
because that's that's the big question mark. And he is
a rookie, because nobody knows, nobody has any idea.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
You gotta ripe with it because you allowed what is
a known commodity to your team walk. You let him
go and he's still in the NFC. They don't seem
to be too concerned about Sam Darnold leaving Minnesota. I
ain't hurt see no articles or seeing anybody. I got
remorse the fact that he's not here anymore, and this,
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that and the other. You don't see anything coming out
of Minnesota but positivity. Because they're loaded loaded. You won't
be doing again today. They are loaded. Drew could go
out there, be to quarterback for the Minnesota Viking. Better
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not he could daddy go Vikings.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yo, daddy, your daddy, did da listen? So look, Kirk,
if you're pissed off like you were on Netflix about
being get over it, bro about being misled. Who knows,
maybe things go sideways and you'll be back in Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Who got millions and millions upon millions of reasons to
be just fine in the situation you're in right now.
By the way, you know what.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
He's kind of funny though, the way Alec lewis of
the athletic rights. He says, the Vikings tossed JJ McCarthy
the keys to a Ferrari. It's how much pressure do
you think that guy feels? Hey, buddy, don't screw this up.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Let's push button to start.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Hey, JJ parking over out back, parallel it and don't
death aside.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Okay, you gave him ever played before. You gave him
a key so that he could give it to valet
and they can see that it's a ferrari because you
don't even need it to start the car. It IST's
be clear. It is The Herd.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
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Speaker 3 (19:33):
Coming up next here though.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
We are going to tell you about how one Hall
of Famer says another quarterback really didn't get a fair shot.
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
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Speaker 3 (21:39):
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Speaker 2 (21:42):
All right, Well, apparently there's a there's some people not
so happy about the handling of one quarterback situation in
Pittsburgh and normally where that Well, you've got Carnegie mellon.
Well you've got Kenny Kennyett, Kenny Pigott, who's no longer
a member of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He had to leave
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there to go win a Super Bowl in Philly. He
did beat it, nonetheless, did lead the state. No he didn't,
but he did go to Ohio, so not far away.
But now he's among the cast of characters that make
up the quarterback room in Cleveland. Terry Bradshaw, Oh, another
legendary Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Not a fan of Mike Tomlin, was on.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
The To the Point Home Services podcast and did not
agree with the handling of one Kenny Pickett in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
They just get rid of Kenny Pickett, a first rounder,
got rid of him ap to two years, all right,
and they're still looking for a quarterback. They didn't even
do anything to build around him. Sam Darnold goes into Minnesota,
look at all those weapons, all those weapons, and look
what happened.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
So that was Terry Bradshaw's summarizing the He got a
little older, but what he said was clear. I'll say
that it's not it's not a sentiment to really disagree
with what what what I mean? What are you going
to say to disagree with the fact that what did
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you really do to one develop Kenny Pickett, two put
in front of him the opportunities to have the success,
and three if it wasn't going to be him, what
was your contingency plans upon not using him?
Speaker 2 (23:27):
So when we were in we did the show from
Las Vegas at the Draft and we were doing the
morning show there, which, by the way, let me just
tell you something, whoever's idea that was great idea to
have us at three in the morning doing two pros
and a cup of Joe right next to the escalator
next to Hakassan at the MGM Grands.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
It was clearly an escape route of women of the evening,
oh my God, and men of the evening down.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
The way, big big fans of LeVar Arrington one of
them was, yeah, I want to I got the pants
to show for the evidence was there. She did the
LeVar leap and you know, all three of them jumped out,
but Stirt my coffee and everything.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The uh.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
We were there though.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And one of the storylines that let off Friday morning
after the first round of the draft was the Steelers
taking Kenny Pickett and having the discussion about man, they
were going nuts.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
Saves a lot of positive energy connected to me.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah, Like everyone was really really excited about it because
he was a Pittsburgh guy.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
They needed to go in the direction. Played at Pittsburgh
New Jersey kid I believe, played for Pittsburgh College, and.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
So they they draft him, and the feeling was, all right,
this makes way too much sense. There were some people
looking at it going, yeah, but you know, they missed
out on Dan Marino, they should have drafted him, and
now they've got Kenny Pickett, so maybe they'll this will
undo you know, kind of half kidding, maybe this will
(24:58):
undo the wrong of not drafting Dan Marino and bring
it in Kenny Pickett and then you see how it
plays out. And it was one of those situations where
be careful what you wish for you just might get it.
It didn't work. And whether you want to blame Matt Canada,
the offensive coordinator, which was people were very critical of him,
not happy with the way.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
That he was probably a well placed assessment and a
well placed conclusion that Canada wasn't the guy.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
But there was also the incident that took place I
think in Seattle, and Mark Madden, the radio host in Pittsburgh,
was pointing this out at the time that Kenny Pickett
had an opportunity late in the year there as the
Steelers are trying to make a push for the playoffs
to suit up, but he wasn't going to start, and
Kenny Pickett opted not to suit up. Now there's Kenny
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Pickett's refuted that, but there's enough people there that are like, no,
he chose not to play and that didn't sit well
with Mike Tomlin and with other members of the organization there.
And so whether you want to blame it on what
wasn't around Kenny Pickett or not, it just was bad
from the get go. It didn't work, like there wasn't
like Kenny Pickett. That wasn't the best situation for him,
(26:10):
and Kenny Pickett wasn't the best quarterback in that situation
for the Steelers through and through. But it does further
the fact that at quarterback they've been a mess for
a long time. And we've discussed the Russell Wilson, Justin
Field stuff, the Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph. This goes back
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to Ben Roethlisberger second to last year, maybe the last
time they've had legitimate quarterback play. And there's all sorts
of fingers that could be pointed in all sorts of
different directions. But it's why I made the point yesterday.
Man If Justin Fields goes out there and looks the
part that everyone thinks that he has the potential to
(26:51):
do so and say, Russell Wilson, as you laid out,
looks the part in New York with the Giants, all
of the questions are going to be asked of Mike
Tomlin and all the fingers are going to be pointing
in the direction of the Steelers quarterback or Steelers handling
of development developing quarterbacks there since Ben Roethlisberger. And it's
a problem because we're looking at close to a decade,
(27:14):
we're getting close where they have not had an answer
at that position, the most important position in the sport.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You know what's interesting, Le'Veon Bell was the best running
back you've had since the bus when when Ben Roethlisberger
came into the league, he was able to be developed
in a scheme where they had one of the best
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defenses ever in the history of the game, one of
the top defenses in there for discussion, and you had
a very very elite group of leaders in that locker
room on offense, mainly mainly Jerome Bettis the the support
(28:01):
of having a running game with Jerome Bettist and Willie Parker,
you'll remember Fast Willie. Yeah, you had Willie Parker, and
you had an offensive line that was outstanding. You had
receivers and Heinz Ward and Santonio Holmes, guys like that
(28:23):
that were elite and outstanding. When you look at where
this team is from where they won that Super Bowl
where they went on the road and won, and then
they came back and were able to do it again
(28:44):
against against the Arizona Cardinals, this was a team that
had such a structured leadership that allowed the growth and
allowed for Ben Roethlisberger to ease and settle in to
being the quarterback that he would eventually become Kenny Pickett
(29:07):
did not have that luxury. Now you don't have like
Naje Harris pretty good running back, not elite. Mendenhall pretty
good running back, not elite. Le'Veon Bell was the best
that you had, and that fell off of the tracks.
Antonio Brown with that whole, Mike Wallace and all those guys.
(29:31):
It was a real golden period for receivers in Pittsburgh
for a time. That doesn't seem to be the case lately.
You don't seem to see an established guy, even Pickens
being as good as he was. You don't see the
established leadership on this team that Ben Roethlisberger was brought into,
(29:55):
not on the defensive side of the ball. While I'll
give Cam Hayward a of credit for being a great leader,
you know, I don't know how well TJ. Watt leads.
I don't know. I'm sure he's a great leader, find
leader of men. I'm not sure the other guys on
that unit. But you never had to question it in
years past, whether it was Joey Porter and James Ferrier
(30:21):
and and you know, James Harrison or to to you know,
guys like I mean, if you want to go back
before them. You're talking about guys like Greg Lloyd and
Kevin Green and Levon Kirkland and guys like that. You
have always had defined leadership at those positions. At the
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receiver's position, You've always had an anchor guy. At the
running backs position. You've always had an anchor guy. On
the defensive linebackers, defensive ends, and the secondary. You have
always had defined guys, whether it was Troy Polamalu or
it was Rod Woodson than Cornell Lake or Darren Perry.
(31:03):
The bottom line here is we're pinpointing a position as
a failure to launch. But there's really a bigger issue
going on in Pittsburgh right now, and it's the total
hold of what the fabric of this Pittsburgh Steelers team is.
(31:23):
You don't have what has been the winning solution and
the winning recipe. You have some of the pieces of
the recipe, but it does not taste like what it's
tasted like in years past. Even when they didn't win
Super Bowls, they didn't win Super Bowls with Greg Lloyd
and Kevin Green in them. They lost to the Dallas Cowboys.
I remember where I was at upset. I remember those days.
(31:46):
But they were close every year AFC championship games, make
it to the Super Bowl, they were close every year.
They've digressed and that approach. They have not been that competitive.
And they in a lot of ways were able to
benefit from Ben Roethlisberger being in an environment and around
players that were elite. Yeah, nobody has had that in
(32:11):
recent years as a quarterback in Pittsburgh. So it's very
difficult to say you got to pinpoint the quarterback as
the problem in Pittsburgh. It is the play calling, but
it is ultimately the players that are in that locker
room as well.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
And Roethlisberger was destabilizing. He was sort of the consistency
from one coaching regime to the next because he was
at the end of Bill Cower, he was at the
beginning of Mike Tomlin, and then he's not there anymore,
and now you're just looking around, going all right, so
what is the plan? Because to your point, they were
always considered a threat in the AFC.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Always everybody was a little brother to the Steelers. That's
over now, the Ravens, anybody else. The Ravens were the
only ones that would give you the idea that man
like this could be the year that they could deal
with them. But they were mirror image teams. That's that's
overs and Cincinnati had their run with Marvin Lewis, but
they just weren't very good in the playoffs. They were
(33:06):
pretty good during the regular season. Always had a talented team,
same with the Browns, always have had talented teams, just
can't win. They're they're a fringe playoff team now they are.
And there's if you're looking at the levels in the AFC,
You've obviously got the upper echelon in Kansas City, You've
got Buffalo, You've got Baltimore, and then I almost look at,
(33:27):
you know, a team like Denver as more of a
threat than I look at a team like Pittsburgh now,
just based on where they're at, which is look, they
tried some different stuff this offseason. They spent some money,
they did all that, you know Terry Bradshaw talking about.
They didn't surround Kenny Pickett. They had him, they drafted him.
They didn't do enough to surround him. Maybe maybe not,
(33:48):
maybe some of that was his fault. I just think
overall there's been some slipping there and it's no longer
the vaunted, feared, Pittsburgh Steelers that it once you got
to take a look at the larger, You got to
take a look at the whole entire roster, because what
they were doing was they were winning and they were developing.
I mean, you think about James Harrison, he's going to
(34:10):
be a first ballot Hall of Famer. I think he's
coming up pretty soon here to have his opportunity to
go into the Hall of Fame. He was not a starter.
He did not make the roster. He was getting put
on the practice squad and worse, he was getting cut.
Wasn't even good enough to be on the team at
one point. And now he's going to be a Hall
(34:30):
of Famer. It's because they had a culture that forced
you to fit what it was to be a Pittsburgh
Steeler football player. And I do not think that exists today.
And that's kind of a sad thing to say, but
I do not think it exists. Ask any of these Steelers.
There might be a handful of guys that understand what
(34:54):
that statement means.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Guys more the good old days when Jeff Reid the
kicker was just walk around Pittsburgh with a shirt off bombed,
you know, and then he got nearly got in a
fight at the Hall of Fame game because he's got
a drunken public there.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
He's just annihilated.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
And then you had was it Todd Haley the offensive
form mat Yeah, he was.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
They haven't been good since Todd Haley left. Todd Haley
went out after a win.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
He was at the Tequila Cowboy in Pittsburgh and got
into a fight with some guy and some guy shoved
him down.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I think he broke his hip.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
But like you just those are the good old days
where you could really see what was going on there
in Pittsburgh and you could see the direction of the
organization and exactly what they were, what they were planning,
and what the goal was is as a team, and
the fan base said something to rally around. And now
we're just looking at him going, listen, let's hope this
(35:45):
one works, and let's hope this edition of the Steelers works,
because the one that we've rolled out the past five, six,
seven years just hasn't. You've been one and done in
the playoffs and it's been a long ass time since
they've had any success there.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
So he's a suit chaos. It leads us suit outside
the window on that last situation.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
By the way, we're trying to figure out what's because
a bull elephant just walked by, and we're trying to
figure out how you are ridiculous for shooting.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
You are ridiculous for pulling the trigger on that lee.
I will never go hunting with you.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
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Speaker 3 (36:54):
That's one hell of a quarterback room. Johnson got to
manage it is. There got to be a play maker.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
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Speaker 2 (38:01):
Come on, guys, come on, Yeah to the NFL we go.
She'sa offense had a roller coaster season, but Patrick Mahomes
thinks they're ready for a breakout season. Here's what he
told Upp and Adams about the expectations for the offense
this upcoming year.
Speaker 7 (38:18):
I think it's just gonna be. It's gonna come from everywhere.
We have so many weapons. Let's go out there and
just maximize at all. It's not gonna be just one person.
It's gonna be the entire offense going out there in
showcase what the Chakansas City Chiefs truly are.
Speaker 3 (38:30):
It's coming from everywhere, guys. I mean, look, they got
a lot to prove. Yeah without with with having already
proven a ton.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Because it wasn't like it looked all that great last year.
I mean sixteenth in total offense. Yeah, it wasn't, you know,
So there you go. Mahomes didn't have his signature.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Year that is literally middle of the pack.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah. And Kelsey, you know, he compiled a bunch of receptions.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
And all that. But you know he's girl friend was
more important than he was. Yeah, to the offense and
to the chiefs last year. I mean, think about it.
She was a more vital part, critical part to the
show than they. Okay, so think about that.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Though, even with that production offensively in that conference, they
still want it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
That's that's scary. That's what makes the whole thing scary.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
The year before they had to go on the road
to do it all, did that too, and then this
past year the offense wasn't up to snuff. They couldn't
get it together or get any consistent consistency going. And
still they figured out to get to the Super Bowl
anyways and lose the third one, right, the third in
a row, which again sixteenth and offensive ranking lose the
(39:52):
Super Bowl. Everybody feels high and uplifted about the Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Eagles and how they built their team. Oh, by the way,
a team that Andy Reid coached and had great success
with the GM was GMing there with learning and learning
the ropes, and they brought that to Kansas City. There
is a bird there. There is a whole lot of inspiration,
(40:18):
I'm certain for a lot of people inside Kansas City
Kingdom that want to have a great year this year.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
You know, I feel bad for I feel bad for
chiefs Aholock, the guy who was Robin Banks dressed up
as a Chiefs master with a big mother efforts, because man,
that guy was a Chiefs fan when they were you know,
rolling out like Steve Bono and Nick Lowry and all this,
and you know he's rooting on Christian Okoye and Barry
Word and now there.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Was here was he their fan back then. Oh of
course he was.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
I think he was like a school Chiefs fan.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
And now they've got this dynasty where all they know
is conference championship game losses in overtime or Super Bowls,
and the guy's stuck in prison. Dan, he's in Shawshank
while they're out. They're putting a dynasty together after all
that time you put it. It's too bad, man.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
But he was really robbing them banks though. Hey, yeah
he was. He was, all right, that's correct. We'll wrap
up with this rock.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Perty got his big payday, but he did lose his
wide receiver, Deebo Samuel. Here he was on the Busting
with Boys podcasts talking about what it meant to lose Debo.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
This sucks, dude. He's my boy. You know, I love
Deebo day one. He's always on my back and believed
in me.
Speaker 8 (41:34):
When I got in, I didn't really know, you know,
how the guys were gonna take it.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
When I did get.
Speaker 8 (41:38):
Thrown in, Jimmy went down, I was like the last
quarterback in uh debot. Man was nothing but just great
to me, dude, building me up and just give me confidence.
Speaker 3 (41:48):
Man. In games.
Speaker 8 (41:49):
You know, we fed off each other's energy and building
each other up like it was awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
By the way, they was definitely feeding off one another
for one one more than the other they say these day.
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