May 28, 2025 • 40 mins
The Old P, Petros Papadakis believes there is no argument to cancel or move the Notre Dame/USC rivalry. Everyone seems to be trying to save it other than USC coach Lincoln Riley. Plus, betting on escapees and much more!
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and like we do every single Wednesday, at this time,
it's about tradition. A man who would like to be
celebrating another tradition for years to come, but we will
celebrate him here on this show. He is the old
pe On social media, he is Petros Papadakis, the coast
of the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear
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Fox college football analyst and our good buddy here Pee.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
What's happening?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh, good morning? Hello, Hello, Hey everybody? Hey, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So Petros, I wanted to do well.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I wanted to start off because I know we're going
to get into the you know, the rivalry, which I.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Haven't even talked about it, and you know since the
last week.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Okay, well, so long.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I did want to ask you about your thoughts on
the growth and development of Luka Doncic, who apparently has
lost a ton of weight. Uh, some people have taken
notice to him in the off season. And does this
make you more optimistic about what the Lakers next year
could look like if Luca can figure out how to
be in better.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Shape for the upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh? God, such growth. The Laker news yesterday was Lebron
making his Taco Tuesday sound when his son graduated high school.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
What was that sound like that?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah? Yea, yeah, yeah, yea yeah, yeah, yah yeah yea
yea yea, yea, yea yeah yeah yea yea yeah yeah
yeah yeah yah yeah yeah yah yeah yah yeah yea
yea yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
And it's a little higher. It's a little high.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, but it's five in the morning and I'm you know,
I just got up and I ruined my voice with smoking.
Years ago. I used to have a higher. I used
to be able to sing the just my Imagination part
Real High from the Temptations, but I can't even because
of my voice. But yes, it was the Sierra Canyon,
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Sierra Canyon in Chatsworth graduation, Sierra Canyon where Lebron sends
all his kids and they have a great basketball and
football program, among other things. They're K through twelve, so
so kindergarten through senior in high school one thousand, one
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hundred and like fifty kids, so not a lot. And
Lebron was there and they announced his son, the four
star recruit going to Arizona, who averaged half a point
a game in high school. And that's so he does
other things, guys, he said, the screens, he rebounds. But
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they waited like they announced the kid, and everybody's like
you know, you heard a few horns and like applause,
and then he waited for a lull so everybody would
know it was Taco Tuesday. And he did that, and
then everybody, all the Sierra Canyon parents were like, oh.
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And then only then did they announce the next kid,
which wise Joan.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
They let it breathe a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
P yeah, they did. Then they with the next kid's
name was Jonas Epstein.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
All right, oh wow, hey, not the greatest last name.
But you know what, appreciate the love.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Man a whole campaign about not that, not exercising that
type of hate. Bro Okay, well be careful man, We
literally will go darker right now.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
The name of the name Epstein associated with the name Epstein.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
Is not okay, that's that's that's fairy.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I do want to ask, though, Lebron it sounds like
he's going to pick up or sign his option with
the Lakers for twenty twenty five, twenty six. You had
to be excited about that when you saw that news, right.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, I just left another couple of years of getting
nailed by the king. You know, do you ever see
that movie Sleeping with the Enemy with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh, it's pretty good. Sleeping with the enemy where her
husband's like the worst guy ever, and she fakes her
own death to get away from him. But he finds
her because instead of throwing the wedding ring away, she
threw it and down the sink, and he went into
the sink and found the ring. He knew she was
still alive and she didn't drown. He finds her and
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before she uh, before she kills him, she has him
at gunpoint. She calls the cops and says, I just
shot an intruder. He's like what, and then blah blah
blah blah. That's what it feels like, getting nailed by
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the king for another couple of years. But at least
we'll have something to talk about. What about the Japanese guys, Yeah,
guys there on the Dodgers pretty good.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
How you feel about the Dodgers right now? Man, they're uh,
they're looking pretty good.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I guess they have something you feel about them? Well?
They they have some injury issues as far as their
their pitching goes. They have guys that don't go very
long in the games. They're starting pitching. But that's uh,
but that's kind of rectified itself. They've had a couple
of long stamping stamming up performances. You know, that good
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Royal Honey type performance from uh from dust Oh yeah,
Dustin Man. I think went five innings last night, which
is the equivalent of pitching, like eighteen innings now and
uh and the guide before that. Yamamoto had a great
out the other day. Yamamoto might win the say young
he's he's really pitching great. He's got a devastating splitter
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that people don't know what to do with. And there's
a new Yamamoto song. I'm not asking you to find
it right now, though you probably could. There's a new
Yamamoto song that has gone viral and it's like yo
she nobu Yama moto mamer and it just goes on
all right. It's a it's it's from Reddit and that
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is now going viral because you know, I mean, it's
kind of hard. You know, you can be the greatest,
you could be John Taylor one of the greatest wide
receivers around, but when Jerry Rice is on the other
side of the field for the forty nine ers, it's
kind of hard to get some attention. And it's a
little bit like that for Yamamoto with Otani. I mean Otani,
I think just hit his twentieth home run last night.
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He's on Pace there it is yom yan Yo Shino.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Is that like his walk up music?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I wish it was.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
That's kind of hard if it is his walk that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
His walk up is more like a techno vibe.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
But man, that's almost like Godzilla like like, dang, that's
kind of dope.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
If you look.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Japanese culture is very exciting. You know, they've got a
lot going on and uh, and they have a they
have a great Korean guy too that they called up
Hay Song Kim, who's an exciting Korean player who runs
really well and inject some excitement and it's really likable guy.
He's not Japanese but he's Korean.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Mm hmm, sou petros. Now that we, uh, let's get.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Into it here.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Where does the like.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I don't know what if? What's there really to say?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Well, I want to ask you this because you know,
this time, I kind of want.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
To go back and forth with Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I feel bid listen and that's not I'm more looking
at it from big picture, because you are one to
voice your frustration when it comes to USC and where
the program is at as opposed to the program you
grew up with, the program that you were part of,
that you played with, that your family was a part of.
You were terrible when I played this, Yeah, but there
was still an element of pride and tradition attached to
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the program.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
So when you see the stuff that's.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Gone on with then unwilling to potentially want to continue
the rivalry with Notre Dame for various reasons. Where does
this rank among most frustrated you've been with your alma
mater in comparison to some of the other instances and
other issues that have popped up over the previous years.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, I mean, I'm a radio TV guy, but let's
just say I know where a lot of bodies are buried.
So there's some other things that we never talk about.
But at the same time, I mean, you know, lack
of institutional control and stuff like that. But no, I mean,
there's there's arrogant Lane Kiffen, there's drunken, out of control
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Steve Sarkisian, there's clueless and corrupt Pat Hayden, and Lynn Swan.
There's the Varsity Blues.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I remember Pat Hayden, he was calling my the Notre
Dame games back in the day.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He used to be a Notre Dame announcer, former USC
football hero, and then he exposed himself and had to
go underground after being the US athletic director who really
basically helped Foster in the Varsity Blues scandal. I mean,
there's a lot of meat on the bone, is what
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I'm trying to say. I mean, Mike bone Let alone,
a guy that had to remove and and of course
there's off off sports stuff at USC with the terrible
cover up with the doctor that was molesting people for
years and years, and just a lot of bad stuff
that's happened at USC because US is a very very
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very wealthy, very connected private university, and it seemed like
in the twenty first century they really lost their way.
This on the other hand, I mean, as an institution
we're talking about, and it's a gigantic institution. USC is
not like Sierra Canyon that has one thousand, one hundred
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kids a massive university. It's like thirty five thousand people
graduate and undergrad maybe more so, it's a big place,
and there's a lot going on. So I don't want
to catastrophize this controversy or whatever, but nothing I think
has been more definitive about who's in charge of SC,
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what's wrong with SC. A sign of the times at SC,
that SE is no longer relevant as a football program
year in and year out, that USC has lost there,
that USC's impotent, it's a program now now that the
now that the ocean has turned to yogurt and I've
lost my spoon. One of my favorite sayings they they
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they have totally they have totally lost their identity. Uh
if they're considering this or how they're considering it, and
the way they're considering it, and who they're allowing to
make their their their their decisions. So overall, I think
for me, it's a really frustrating thing. I can't say
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it's the most frustrated I've ever been, because there's really
been terrible things that have happened that have been illegal,
you know, stuff, stuff that that's not defensible. This, on
the other hand, is a head coach who quite literally
would be fired. He would have been fired if his buyout,
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or would be fired and still probably will be fired
if his buyout was not so gigantic, and the fact
that they are letting that guy try to manipulate or
say something or dictate one hundred plus year old rivalry that,
as I've said on the show many times, transcends World Wars,
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transcends the transfer portal, transcends the NIL, transcends a conference realignment,
any of that stuff. We still have USC Notre Dame.
And the fact that Lincoln Riley, who probably should not
even be there. He shouldn't he shouldn't be the coach
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there right now based on his performance, what the place is.
It's just the buyout is so big that I gets
to pull the plug on this rivalry. That guy gets
to say that USC players don't get to take the
field at Notre Dame or play Notre Dame at home
in November. It's it's not right. It's so far from
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being right that I can't believe anybody would argue for it.
And all these people talking about modern football and things
change and this is what we need and all that,
and my I mean, USC is not competing. It's not
like USC is going to play in the playoffs if
they just didn't have that pesky Notre Dame game on
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their schedule. I mean, they can't beat Minnesota, they can't
beat Maryland. And I got to be honest with you,
if Notre Dame's on your schedule, win or lose, it's
going to help you a lot more when you're in
the Big Ten with the new expanded playoff rules. Then
it does scheduling Georgia State or Missouri State, who's on
the schedule here in twenty twenty five, all of that,
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all of that, It just it's it's just so sad
and disappointing that these very wealthy country club set type
people who have never looked through a face mask at USC,
never done anything there, never had any real connection with
the place. UH want to take the opportunity to play
at the cradle of college football in one of the
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most in the most iconic program in the history of
the sport in their stadium every other year. You're going
to take that away from a whole generation or even
consider taken that away from a whole generation of USC
football players because your coach is scared to compete. It's
the saddest and most it's it's really the most egregious
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thing I've ever heard anybody ever consider when it comes
I'd rather have a drunk coach. Honestly, I mean, it's
it's it's it's truly, it's truly an insult to anybody
who ever played the sport USC that this would be considered.
And the fact that USC says anything about it. I know, Brady,
I'm sorry. I'll be done in a second.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
No, you're good, you're good.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The fact that USC says anything about it other than yes,
we'd love to play the rivalry for the next thousand years.
The fact that anybody other than Jen Cohen, the USC
Athletic director, has made any kind of statement about this,
the head coach who should be fired, or some weird
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assistant athletic director open his freaking mouth about it. The
only person I want to hear from is the USC
Athletic director or the president of the school. And that
person needs to say we are going to play this
for the rest of our lives and for everybody else's
lives forward, and that is that. We don't want to
hear anything else about. Why is it even being discussed
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because Lincoln Riley, who's not good enough to be the
head coach there anymore? Anyway, If you really think they're
they're good and have a chance to compete because Lincoln
Riley is too soft to commit to a rivalry that
everybody else that's ever coached there has committed to. It's
an absolute travesty and it makes me sick to my
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stomach to even discuss it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It is interesting when you bring up the history and
when you initially saw some of your statements, petros I
was thinking about just looking back on how this rivalry
has sustained through World Wars, when you take into account
what it took for the teams to get across the
country they want to train like, I hear this argument
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by a lot of USC people, in particular on social
media who try to defend the fact that well, Notre
Dame's not Well, they've never been at a conference, so
this existed.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well, and again, that's like saying why you have That's
like why should they be? I mean, honestly, it's like saying, well,
you have this seven hundred room mansion, why don't you
move into this crappy apartment building a Marina del Ray
with the rest of us. I mean, why why they
don't they have their own deal? Right?
Speaker 9 (18:05):
Well?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
And then and by the way.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's always been that way, so it's kind of odd
that now you try to use that as justification because
of the same thing.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
They use is justificationism. It makes me it's laughable. I
am just thinking about the train ride.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
The train ride back in the day, right, like they're
going for days across the country back and forth to
play one another, and nowadays they're like, well, we fly
six thousand more miles a year. It's like, all right,
let's just look back at the history here and look
at how this rivalry was played out. Teams are and
again I'm not trying to say that, you know, we've
come a long way since then, but it's sustained through that, right.
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It lasted through snowstorms, through whatever else they had to
endure to get to one another to play.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
So it has a bit odd.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I do want you to play Devil's advocate, though, because
one of the things is I think it's on us
to say, okay, we'll see did make a decision that
was for their best and right to get paid handsomely
through the TV media, write steal.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And still have the feeling about it that they had
to do that, I mean, and it's because the PAC
ten for sure. Twelve is so for so.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So let's just look at it from devil's advocate, because
there hasn't been an agreement. And and look, I'll say this,
I spoke to Gen Cohen last week. So what I
do know is that what's being floated or out about
this twenty year agreement whatever else, there's not a lot
of truth to that. There's been, you know, an idea
to extend for another year, and there's the thought that
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Southern cow would like to play at week zero week
one at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
That's travesty.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But but and look, I'm not going to disagree with you,
but everyone feels like I'm biased because I'm an Underdame guy.
But what I'm saying is Notre Dame hasn't signed an
extension or signed the agreement either. And then, you know,
so you could you could make that case, I guess,
make your case if you can for Southern cal And
why this robbery should need to change based on the
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landscape of college football where a lot of things have changed.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't understand. I just don't understand why. Why the
only reason it wants anybody wants it to change or
has said anything about it is because Lincoln Riley is
too soft to play it. And there's a reason they
play in November. There's a reason they play in October.
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What was last year, twenty twenty four and they played
at sc right, Yeah, so they played at Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
So in the even years they play at Notre Dame
in October because Howard Jones's wife used to want to
watch the leaves change the USC head coach and Newton
Rockney's wife had family in Los Angeles, so every other
year they would spend Thanksgiving week that week late November
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at USC or in Los Angeles with the palm trees
and Hollywood and all that. It is not snowing in
October in South Bend. It is not a snow game.
They don't have to walk uphill in the snow both ways. Yes,
sometimes it rains and it gets a little muddy, but
it's not muney anymore. Because Brian Kelly change a feeling
that was a travesty as well. I don't look, I
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don't understand, other than the fact that Lincoln Riley doesn't
want to play this, why anybody would ever even consider
even moving it. As if playing the first game of
the year is different than playing later in the year.
USC Notre Dame does nothing but help everybody and us.
He's not competing for the playoff anyway, and if they
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were playing Notre Dame would help them. This is a
coach that understands very little about the university that he's at.
It's a coach that understands very little about how to
make that university successful year in and year out. He's
very stubborn. He doesn't want to embrace their traditions. And
I'll say it again, if he wasn't so overpaid, he'd
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be fired at this point without a doubt. So why
should any I mean, why should anybody allow that guy
to say anything about anything or any of his ilk,
or anybody that listens to what he says at some
stupid NIL meeting and goes on the internet and regurgitates
it to fight with a guy like Brady Quinn. There
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is no argument to end this rivalry. There is no argument,
in my opinion, to change the date of the rivalry.
The only thing anybody should do is say, yes, we
love this rivalry and it will continue forever and despite
the changes in college football. The more things change, the
more some remain the same. This is who we are,
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This is our identity as a university. We're such a
big deal in college football that we play an intersectional
rivalry every single year against the team that is the
cradle of the sport, Notre Dame. If you're too if
you're if somehow you're too important or advanced or elite
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or West Coast to continue that rivalry, then let's just
scrap the football program and play flag and try to
get into the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Petrows.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
I know we're up against it, But who would embrace
that idea and like those beliefs of what you just said,
Just humor me. If there were a coach that in
your mind that would fit that mold, who would that be?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Anybody else? Anybody you know, Matt Campbell, Barry Odom, any
other coach in the world of college football. Yeah, and
maybe you get have five drinks in them and say, God,
it's tough to play Notre Dame every year. Okay, great, whatever,
You're still the coach at USC Like you get paid
ninety million dollars on your stupid ass contract that you
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should have never gotten because you play against Notre Dame.
You know, that's the thing about USC, and I don't
care that they're in the Big ten now and it's
some they act like it's some giant gauntlet of death.
You shouldn't have done it. Then, you know, if that,
if that prevents you from playing Notre Dame, then you're
too soft to be in the Big ten. I'm so
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sorry that's true. That's you know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean, I think you'd agree Pete Carroll during that era,
which I look at as that was the greatest, you know,
group of teams in USC's history.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
But he would have never turned this down.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
He would have never co no no and then and
you know I don't. I I could talk about, well,
I'll put it this way.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I would put that SC team up against any in
history of college football.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Okay, uh, you know I don't. There's the way I
mean O. J. Simpson and people like that, and John
McKay in the seventies a different game.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I understand to tell what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
But uh, I mean, yeah, there there are great football teams.
I covered them as closely as anybody in the world.
I used to travel with them. But you look, I mean,
just as scheduling, we can argue about who was good
and who was bad and all that, But scheduling wise,
I mean they played Arkansas, they played Virginia, they played
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Kansas at Kansas State, they played at Auburn. I mean
when I played at USC, we played at Florida State.
We played everybody we possibly could. I don't understand the
I mean, they were never afraid of a challenge. It
was it was a way to boost the programs visibility
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in the BCS era or any era. But I mean,
I take your point, Brady. I mean those were absolutely
dominant football teams in a dominant era of USC, and
they played anybody they possibly could. You could say, well, yeah,
but they were in the Pac ten at the time,
Well okay, they would go anywhere and play anybody. They
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went to Nebraska, Nebraska came here. They I mean they
played everybody you could possibly think of. That. I mean
when they played Auburn and O three, Auburn was the
number one team in the country and they played at
Jordan Hare. So yes, when us he is great generationally
throughout the years, and Pete Carroll of course the most
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recent in everybody's memory. They have never, ever, ever, ever
shied away from anybody on a schedule. And this is
just it's just not This doesn't feel like USC football
at all. And if they if they try to do
this seriously, just chase start and then just start wearing
alternate uniforms, start wearing white shoes. Let's schedule half the games.
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It's so far, you know, seriously, let's just scrap the
whole thing.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I was gonna say, is a stub up center still open?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, let's go play at the Dignity Health Sports Yeah. Yeah,
more of our jockstraps on the outside of our.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Get him on X at the Old Peh's.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Petros Papadegas the co host of the Petros and Money Show,
which you can hear on the Blowtorch Am five to
seventy LA Sports Fox college football analyst and a Wednesday
tradition here on the show.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Petros, we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I hate everybody there.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
He is there, he is other lizard. We said, hello, Petros,
lizards doing good?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Good? I better some horn worms last.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Night, nice, real juicy.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah they're blue worms all right.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. We've
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about ten minutes from now here on FSR, Petros Papadak
is very fired up about the USC Notre Dame rivalry,
which is you know.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Is it on life support? Would you say the rivalry there?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
No, I would describe it as it's a wait and see.
They obviously played this year. There's been been the thought
of extending it for another year in a twenty twenty six,
because I do believe what's an odd year, so they
play out Thanksgiving in southern cal I believe there's a
thought to extend it for one year. But the problem
(28:57):
then is with the timing of it because Southern Cal.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Went to be a week zero, Week one game.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Notre Dame is saying, like, why do we need to change?
This has always historically been where it's at. There's other
schools that have rivalry games around that end part of
the season that could plague whether or not they're able
to get into the college football Playoff. And one of
the things that hinges on is the college football playoff structure.
(29:23):
And one of the things that's been kicked around is
we look to expand to fourteen or sixteen?
Speaker 6 (29:28):
If they went with a model where.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It would go four four two two, which gets us
to twelve teams, and I believe there'd be like one
for the highest ranked group of five would get an
automatic bid or all my qualifier, and then you'd have
some at large bids on top of that, right, I
think three at that point. If we did sixteen teams.
One of the reasons why I think Southern Cal would
(29:50):
be more apt to schedule an extension of it is
because you'd have four spots the big ten would be allotted,
and I think they like their chances of being one
of those top four teams. Now, what gets really interesting, though,
is yesterday a bunch of news came out how the
SEC feels more confident or comfortable with five automatic qualifiers
(30:11):
and then eleven at large bids.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Now, why do you think that would be?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Then, by the way, the five automatic qualifiers, if I'm
reading this correctly, would be similar to the four Power
four conference champs along with the one highest rank group
of five and the rest would be the eleven automatic qualifiers.
The SEC would push for this because in that world
there's more opportunity for more SEC teams to be involved
(30:37):
because you're not being capped in other places. So if
you have eleven at large bids, there's a potential chance
you could have not just four in the other model,
and then maybe one or two, you might have two
others more often than not. So there's a thought that
the SEC, who along with the Big ten is behind
this pushing this actually once for there to be less
(30:58):
automatic qualifiers because they feel like they'll be ranked higher
with more at large bids, especially with the change that
we've recently made now to it'll just be the top
twelve seeded teams based on what the College Ball Playoff
Committee would.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Like to do.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
So in that world, I think there's concern from Southern
Cal that maybe they wouldn't be one of those top
twelve teams, or they wouldn't be able to qualify for
one of those eleven at large bids as opposed to
the other structure, or there's more guarantees, So that could
play a factor into what happens with this rivalry long term.
And the last thing is what happens with Southern Cal
(31:36):
this season. If Lincoln Riley and Southern Cal continue to
struggle and they find someone who's willing to buy out
Lincoln Riley, there lies I think the lack of an
issue now with playing this game altogether, since he's the
one who proposed it and brought up the idea of
it not being a thing moving forward in the first place.
(31:58):
Because I believe Southern Cal, their fans, I believe their
athletic director wants to do this, wants to extend this Ribbaly,
No one wants to end it. With the exception of
Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You talk about a big time higher that has gone
about as poorly as you could have expected it to go.
Lincoln Riley's time in USC, and if his final scenes
as USC head coach are tried to get rid of
one of the great rivalries in the sport, out of
(32:28):
fear that he couldn't compete. I just I don't know, man,
Like this has not gone anywhere close to when anybody
thought it was going to be.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
And there was all this number one overall draft pick
and that Heisman went.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Okay, and that one's sold.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
I'm sure somebody's done worse as a high profile higher.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Than getting a number one overall in the Heisman. I'm
saying it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
It is bad.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Again.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
I think what's what's totally totally bad about it is
the fact that you have someone who doesn't have Like
we just listened to a guy who has a tie
and has an affinity and a love and an admiration
for their alma mater talk about how this makes him
feel somebody who played for that team, you know. I
(33:18):
just think that, like what I talked about earlier, in
terms of you're hiring these people, you're you're risking the
identity of what your institution represents because just maybe they
do care more about the results and what football opportunities
(33:39):
exists versus what makes the most sense for the university.
And that's sad if the university and the you know,
foundational components and the identity and the traditions that are
connected to the program and to the people. If you
(34:03):
find yourself in a situation, in a moment where there's
a disconnect taking place due to the fact that there
isn't a connective tissue to that person leading your team,
that's sad. That's really sad. And you know that's what
I think. There's more to come. I really think with
this new era and this new age in college football,
(34:27):
there's going to be more decisions that are made that
are based upon the bottom line and the business of
it all versus some of the sentimental value that's connected
to these universities and the history and the legacies and
the traditions that go along with them.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (35:57):
Please might smell a little fun cake. What is that?
It sounds incredible, but they're still good. Time to find
out what's lacks Lee's Lack jailers.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
All right, the lap, What do we got guys?
Speaker 10 (36:09):
It's been almost two weeks since those ten inmates have
escaped the New Orleans Parish jail. Now there's only two
left after three were captured just the other day. And
you can get odds on this on who will be
the last one standing. Currently there's Derrick Groves versus Antoine Massey.
Antoine Massey uh, who's one of the orchestrators, is of
the of the escape.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
He's at plus two to fifty.
Speaker 10 (36:31):
He's escaped from juvenile detention and he's escaped other penitentiaries twice,
broken two ankle monitors, So you can bet on him
at plus two to fifty or Derreck.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Rose who's h.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
This guy's resume.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Well, domestic abuse, double shooting Paul No, like.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
That has nothing to do with escaping, Like, what's.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
His everybody's got flaws?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Come on, well's escape resume? So I could make a
good bet here, yea, yeah, I'll have it for you.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
So we broke out a juvenile hall in two thousand
and seven, used his chains to break out, break break
the glass, and get out on that doesn't say exactly
how he broke out a more house detention center, but
he was later caught chains.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, so both shocks. So both guys have broken out
a juvie. Uh No, Antoine Massey has broken out a juve.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
And we're talking about the other.
Speaker 10 (37:22):
Guy now, Derek Derek Roves is a three is uh
four murders second two second degree murders.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But again, we don't care about his flaws. Listen, we
can't judge.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We're just talking about how is how does he have
a background and breaking out of any U.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
No llustrations or no.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
But him and Antoine Massy were seen together on surveillance
camera right after, so they were together for a while.
I think they've split ways since the way they got
out was, you know, they got through a faulty cell wall.
Then they got through, they found a toilet, removed the toilet,
and then had one of the guards turn off the
water by threatening him and then uh sawed through some
(37:57):
bars to get out that way, So behind.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
A toilet, saw through some bars.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I'm gonna go with Antoine just based on history and resume.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Interesting fact about Antwine, though face tattoos might be easier
to spot him. Remember there's a twenty thousand dollars reward.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Seen those masks though guys can put on well like
covers their face.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
So those things are crazy.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Please it makes it.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Makes them look like a entirely different person.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I got, I got Antoine Knocks Loucks.
Speaker 10 (38:27):
And Derek Groves at plus blood fifty. He's got a
lot of family ties in the area. Might be getting
a little bit of help. Uh yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Take away Derek Chicago bul Derek Groves.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Excuse me, but Derek Grove.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Groves, I used Tod Rose. It's like, damn d we
had a fast first step.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
But like, how about how about how's going a lee?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
What's his background? Old domestic abuse? So no, like forgot
about all that. We know that's why he's imprisoned. But
we know he does I'm bad. Four time murderer.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
Yeah, uh, you know, let's go an alright, all right,
let's keep it in the uh, let's keep it in
this realm. How about the Diddy trial? Testimony has continued lately,
it's been kid Cutty on the He did four hours
two to four hours last week on stand, talked about
(39:17):
did he breaking into his place of residence, locking his
dog in the in the bathroom, opening up all his
family's Christmas presents and laying in wait trying to kill kids, cutting.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
All his families Christmas presents, opening up the Christmas kids.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
That is sinister, really.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Sinister, all the things I just heard.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Could you imagine being like one of the kids come down,
They're like, what what happened?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know what? You know?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I was really up in the air about this, whole
about it, this whole diddy thing that did it for me?
All right, now, now I understand what a scumbag he is,
all right, opening up Christmas presents.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
I think he's going to get off.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
I don't think it's going to be as bad a
punishment as people think, like it's like always going away forever.
Like I don't think so. Man, I think he's gonna
get off.
Speaker 10 (40:10):
I think the freaks, the freaky stuff, he'll get off on.
But I mean for this, for this, he took you know,
he took his Okay.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
All right, all right, low hanging is kind of funny, Lorena.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
I mean it was really very well timed, very creative
and execution. I mean I was, it was a fly
and it was it was split in there.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
Got some results. Shouts out the blue cheo
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and like we do every single Wednesday, at this time,
it's about tradition. A man who would like to be
celebrating another tradition for years to come, but we will
celebrate him here on this show. He is the old
pe On social media, he is Petros Papadakis, the coast
of the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear
(01:15):
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Fox college football analyst and our good buddy here Pee.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
What's happening?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Good morning?
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Oh, good morning? Hello, Hello, Hey everybody? Hey, what's up?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
So Petros, I wanted to do well.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I wanted to start off because I know we're going
to get into the you know, the rivalry, which I.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Haven't even talked about it, and you know since the
last week.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Okay, well, so long.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I did want to ask you about your thoughts on
the growth and development of Luka Doncic, who apparently has
lost a ton of weight. Uh, some people have taken
notice to him in the off season. And does this
make you more optimistic about what the Lakers next year
could look like if Luca can figure out how to
be in better.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Shape for the upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Oh? God, such growth. The Laker news yesterday was Lebron
making his Taco Tuesday sound when his son graduated high school.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
What was that sound like that?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah? Yea, yeah, yeah, yea yeah, yeah, yah yeah yea
yea yea, yea, yea yeah yeah yea yea yeah yeah
yeah yeah yah yeah yeah yah yeah yah yeah yea
yea yeah yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
And it's a little higher. It's a little high.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, but it's five in the morning and I'm you know,
I just got up and I ruined my voice with smoking.
Years ago. I used to have a higher. I used
to be able to sing the just my Imagination part
Real High from the Temptations, but I can't even because
of my voice. But yes, it was the Sierra Canyon,
(02:54):
Sierra Canyon in Chatsworth graduation, Sierra Canyon where Lebron sends
all his kids and they have a great basketball and
football program, among other things. They're K through twelve, so
so kindergarten through senior in high school one thousand, one
(03:16):
hundred and like fifty kids, so not a lot. And
Lebron was there and they announced his son, the four
star recruit going to Arizona, who averaged half a point
a game in high school. And that's so he does
other things, guys, he said, the screens, he rebounds. But
(03:38):
they waited like they announced the kid, and everybody's like
you know, you heard a few horns and like applause,
and then he waited for a lull so everybody would
know it was Taco Tuesday. And he did that, and
then everybody, all the Sierra Canyon parents were like, oh.
(04:09):
And then only then did they announce the next kid,
which wise Joan.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
They let it breathe a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
P yeah, they did. Then they with the next kid's
name was Jonas Epstein.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
All right, oh wow, hey, not the greatest last name.
But you know what, appreciate the love.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
Man a whole campaign about not that, not exercising that
type of hate. Bro Okay, well be careful man, We
literally will go darker right now.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
The name of the name Epstein associated with the name Epstein.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
Is not okay, that's that's that's fairy.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I do want to ask, though, Lebron it sounds like
he's going to pick up or sign his option with
the Lakers for twenty twenty five, twenty six. You had
to be excited about that when you saw that news, right.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, I just left another couple of years of getting
nailed by the king. You know, do you ever see
that movie Sleeping with the Enemy with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Yeah, it's been a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Oh, it's pretty good. Sleeping with the enemy where her
husband's like the worst guy ever, and she fakes her
own death to get away from him. But he finds
her because instead of throwing the wedding ring away, she
threw it and down the sink, and he went into
the sink and found the ring. He knew she was
still alive and she didn't drown. He finds her and
(05:39):
before she uh, before she kills him, she has him
at gunpoint. She calls the cops and says, I just
shot an intruder. He's like what, and then blah blah
blah blah. That's what it feels like, getting nailed by
(06:01):
the king for another couple of years. But at least
we'll have something to talk about. What about the Japanese guys, Yeah,
guys there on the Dodgers pretty good.
Speaker 8 (06:16):
How you feel about the Dodgers right now? Man, they're uh,
they're looking pretty good.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I guess they have something you feel about them? Well?
They they have some injury issues as far as their
their pitching goes. They have guys that don't go very
long in the games. They're starting pitching. But that's uh,
but that's kind of rectified itself. They've had a couple
of long stamping stamming up performances. You know, that good
(06:43):
Royal Honey type performance from uh from dust Oh yeah,
Dustin Man. I think went five innings last night, which
is the equivalent of pitching, like eighteen innings now and
uh and the guide before that. Yamamoto had a great
out the other day. Yamamoto might win the say young
he's he's really pitching great. He's got a devastating splitter
(07:05):
that people don't know what to do with. And there's
a new Yamamoto song. I'm not asking you to find
it right now, though you probably could. There's a new
Yamamoto song that has gone viral and it's like yo
she nobu Yama moto mamer and it just goes on
all right. It's a it's it's from Reddit and that
(07:28):
is now going viral because you know, I mean, it's
kind of hard. You know, you can be the greatest,
you could be John Taylor one of the greatest wide
receivers around, but when Jerry Rice is on the other
side of the field for the forty nine ers, it's
kind of hard to get some attention. And it's a
little bit like that for Yamamoto with Otani. I mean Otani,
I think just hit his twentieth home run last night.
(07:51):
He's on Pace there it is yom yan Yo Shino.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Is that like his walk up music?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I wish it was.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
That's kind of hard if it is his walk that.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
His walk up is more like a techno vibe.
Speaker 8 (08:25):
But man, that's almost like Godzilla like like, dang, that's
kind of dope.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
If you look.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Japanese culture is very exciting. You know, they've got a
lot going on and uh, and they have a they
have a great Korean guy too that they called up
Hay Song Kim, who's an exciting Korean player who runs
really well and inject some excitement and it's really likable guy.
He's not Japanese but he's Korean.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Mm hmm, sou petros. Now that we, uh, let's get.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Into it here.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Where does the like.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I don't know what if? What's there really to say?
Speaker 4 (09:05):
Well, I want to ask you this because you know,
this time, I kind of want.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
To go back and forth with Colin Cowherd.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
I feel bid listen and that's not I'm more looking
at it from big picture, because you are one to
voice your frustration when it comes to USC and where
the program is at as opposed to the program you
grew up with, the program that you were part of,
that you played with, that your family was a part of.
You were terrible when I played this, Yeah, but there
was still an element of pride and tradition attached to
(09:33):
the program.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
So when you see the stuff that's.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Gone on with then unwilling to potentially want to continue
the rivalry with Notre Dame for various reasons. Where does
this rank among most frustrated you've been with your alma
mater in comparison to some of the other instances and
other issues that have popped up over the previous years.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, I mean, I'm a radio TV guy, but let's
just say I know where a lot of bodies are buried.
So there's some other things that we never talk about.
But at the same time, I mean, you know, lack
of institutional control and stuff like that. But no, I mean,
there's there's arrogant Lane Kiffen, there's drunken, out of control
(10:17):
Steve Sarkisian, there's clueless and corrupt Pat Hayden, and Lynn Swan.
There's the Varsity Blues.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
I remember Pat Hayden, he was calling my the Notre
Dame games back in the day.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
He used to be a Notre Dame announcer, former USC
football hero, and then he exposed himself and had to
go underground after being the US athletic director who really
basically helped Foster in the Varsity Blues scandal. I mean,
there's a lot of meat on the bone, is what
(10:51):
I'm trying to say. I mean, Mike bone Let alone,
a guy that had to remove and and of course
there's off off sports stuff at USC with the terrible
cover up with the doctor that was molesting people for
years and years, and just a lot of bad stuff
that's happened at USC because US is a very very
(11:15):
very wealthy, very connected private university, and it seemed like
in the twenty first century they really lost their way.
This on the other hand, I mean, as an institution
we're talking about, and it's a gigantic institution. USC is
not like Sierra Canyon that has one thousand, one hundred
(11:38):
kids a massive university. It's like thirty five thousand people
graduate and undergrad maybe more so, it's a big place,
and there's a lot going on. So I don't want
to catastrophize this controversy or whatever, but nothing I think
has been more definitive about who's in charge of SC,
(12:02):
what's wrong with SC. A sign of the times at SC,
that SE is no longer relevant as a football program
year in and year out, that USC has lost there,
that USC's impotent, it's a program now now that the
now that the ocean has turned to yogurt and I've
lost my spoon. One of my favorite sayings they they
(12:26):
they have totally they have totally lost their identity. Uh
if they're considering this or how they're considering it, and
the way they're considering it, and who they're allowing to
make their their their their decisions. So overall, I think
for me, it's a really frustrating thing. I can't say
(12:47):
it's the most frustrated I've ever been, because there's really
been terrible things that have happened that have been illegal,
you know, stuff, stuff that that's not defensible. This, on
the other hand, is a head coach who quite literally
would be fired. He would have been fired if his buyout,
(13:09):
or would be fired and still probably will be fired
if his buyout was not so gigantic, and the fact
that they are letting that guy try to manipulate or
say something or dictate one hundred plus year old rivalry that,
as I've said on the show many times, transcends World Wars,
(13:32):
transcends the transfer portal, transcends the NIL, transcends a conference realignment,
any of that stuff. We still have USC Notre Dame.
And the fact that Lincoln Riley, who probably should not
even be there. He shouldn't he shouldn't be the coach
(13:53):
there right now based on his performance, what the place is.
It's just the buyout is so big that I gets
to pull the plug on this rivalry. That guy gets
to say that USC players don't get to take the
field at Notre Dame or play Notre Dame at home
in November. It's it's not right. It's so far from
(14:17):
being right that I can't believe anybody would argue for it.
And all these people talking about modern football and things
change and this is what we need and all that,
and my I mean, USC is not competing. It's not
like USC is going to play in the playoffs if
they just didn't have that pesky Notre Dame game on
(14:38):
their schedule. I mean, they can't beat Minnesota, they can't
beat Maryland. And I got to be honest with you,
if Notre Dame's on your schedule, win or lose, it's
going to help you a lot more when you're in
the Big Ten with the new expanded playoff rules. Then
it does scheduling Georgia State or Missouri State, who's on
the schedule here in twenty twenty five, all of that,
(15:00):
all of that, It just it's it's just so sad
and disappointing that these very wealthy country club set type
people who have never looked through a face mask at USC,
never done anything there, never had any real connection with
the place. UH want to take the opportunity to play
at the cradle of college football in one of the
(15:22):
most in the most iconic program in the history of
the sport in their stadium every other year. You're going
to take that away from a whole generation or even
consider taken that away from a whole generation of USC
football players because your coach is scared to compete. It's
the saddest and most it's it's really the most egregious
(15:45):
thing I've ever heard anybody ever consider when it comes
I'd rather have a drunk coach. Honestly, I mean, it's
it's it's it's truly, it's truly an insult to anybody
who ever played the sport USC that this would be considered.
And the fact that USC says anything about it. I know, Brady,
I'm sorry. I'll be done in a second.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
No, you're good, you're good.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
The fact that USC says anything about it other than yes,
we'd love to play the rivalry for the next thousand years.
The fact that anybody other than Jen Cohen, the USC
Athletic director, has made any kind of statement about this,
the head coach who should be fired, or some weird
(16:28):
assistant athletic director open his freaking mouth about it. The
only person I want to hear from is the USC
Athletic director or the president of the school. And that
person needs to say we are going to play this
for the rest of our lives and for everybody else's
lives forward, and that is that. We don't want to
hear anything else about. Why is it even being discussed
(16:50):
because Lincoln Riley, who's not good enough to be the
head coach there anymore? Anyway, If you really think they're
they're good and have a chance to compete because Lincoln
Riley is too soft to commit to a rivalry that
everybody else that's ever coached there has committed to. It's
an absolute travesty and it makes me sick to my
(17:12):
stomach to even discuss it. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
It is interesting when you bring up the history and
when you initially saw some of your statements, petros I
was thinking about just looking back on how this rivalry
has sustained through World Wars, when you take into account
what it took for the teams to get across the
country they want to train like, I hear this argument
(17:38):
by a lot of USC people, in particular on social
media who try to defend the fact that well, Notre
Dame's not Well, they've never been at a conference, so
this existed.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Well, and again, that's like saying why you have That's
like why should they be? I mean, honestly, it's like saying, well,
you have this seven hundred room mansion, why don't you
move into this crappy apartment building a Marina del Ray
with the rest of us. I mean, why why they
don't they have their own deal? Right?
Speaker 9 (18:05):
Well?
Speaker 6 (18:06):
And then and by the way.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's always been that way, so it's kind of odd
that now you try to use that as justification because
of the same thing.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
They use is justificationism. It makes me it's laughable. I
am just thinking about the train ride.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
The train ride back in the day, right, like they're
going for days across the country back and forth to
play one another, and nowadays they're like, well, we fly
six thousand more miles a year. It's like, all right,
let's just look back at the history here and look
at how this rivalry was played out. Teams are and
again I'm not trying to say that, you know, we've
come a long way since then, but it's sustained through that, right.
(18:43):
It lasted through snowstorms, through whatever else they had to
endure to get to one another to play.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
So it has a bit odd.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I do want you to play Devil's advocate, though, because
one of the things is I think it's on us
to say, okay, we'll see did make a decision that
was for their best and right to get paid handsomely
through the TV media, write steal.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And still have the feeling about it that they had
to do that, I mean, and it's because the PAC
ten for sure. Twelve is so for so.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
So let's just look at it from devil's advocate, because
there hasn't been an agreement. And and look, I'll say this,
I spoke to Gen Cohen last week. So what I
do know is that what's being floated or out about
this twenty year agreement whatever else, there's not a lot
of truth to that. There's been, you know, an idea
to extend for another year, and there's the thought that
(19:35):
Southern cow would like to play at week zero week
one at the beginning of the season.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
That's travesty.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
But but and look, I'm not going to disagree with you,
but everyone feels like I'm biased because I'm an Underdame guy.
But what I'm saying is Notre Dame hasn't signed an
extension or signed the agreement either. And then, you know,
so you could you could make that case, I guess,
make your case if you can for Southern cal And
why this robbery should need to change based on the
(20:06):
landscape of college football where a lot of things have changed.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I don't understand. I just don't understand why. Why the
only reason it wants anybody wants it to change or
has said anything about it is because Lincoln Riley is
too soft to play it. And there's a reason they
play in November. There's a reason they play in October.
(20:29):
What was last year, twenty twenty four and they played
at sc right, Yeah, so they played at Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
So in the even years they play at Notre Dame
in October because Howard Jones's wife used to want to
watch the leaves change the USC head coach and Newton
Rockney's wife had family in Los Angeles, so every other
year they would spend Thanksgiving week that week late November
(20:58):
at USC or in Los Angeles with the palm trees
and Hollywood and all that. It is not snowing in
October in South Bend. It is not a snow game.
They don't have to walk uphill in the snow both ways. Yes,
sometimes it rains and it gets a little muddy, but
it's not muney anymore. Because Brian Kelly change a feeling
that was a travesty as well. I don't look, I
(21:23):
don't understand, other than the fact that Lincoln Riley doesn't
want to play this, why anybody would ever even consider
even moving it. As if playing the first game of
the year is different than playing later in the year.
USC Notre Dame does nothing but help everybody and us.
He's not competing for the playoff anyway, and if they
(21:44):
were playing Notre Dame would help them. This is a
coach that understands very little about the university that he's at.
It's a coach that understands very little about how to
make that university successful year in and year out. He's
very stubborn. He doesn't want to embrace their traditions. And
I'll say it again, if he wasn't so overpaid, he'd
(22:08):
be fired at this point without a doubt. So why
should any I mean, why should anybody allow that guy
to say anything about anything or any of his ilk,
or anybody that listens to what he says at some
stupid NIL meeting and goes on the internet and regurgitates
it to fight with a guy like Brady Quinn. There
(22:29):
is no argument to end this rivalry. There is no argument,
in my opinion, to change the date of the rivalry.
The only thing anybody should do is say, yes, we
love this rivalry and it will continue forever and despite
the changes in college football. The more things change, the
more some remain the same. This is who we are,
(22:49):
This is our identity as a university. We're such a
big deal in college football that we play an intersectional
rivalry every single year against the team that is the
cradle of the sport, Notre Dame. If you're too if
you're if somehow you're too important or advanced or elite
(23:12):
or West Coast to continue that rivalry, then let's just
scrap the football program and play flag and try to
get into the Olympics.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
Petrows.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
I know we're up against it, But who would embrace
that idea and like those beliefs of what you just said,
Just humor me. If there were a coach that in
your mind that would fit that mold, who would that be?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Anybody else? Anybody you know, Matt Campbell, Barry Odom, any
other coach in the world of college football. Yeah, and
maybe you get have five drinks in them and say, God,
it's tough to play Notre Dame every year. Okay, great, whatever,
You're still the coach at USC Like you get paid
ninety million dollars on your stupid ass contract that you
(24:00):
should have never gotten because you play against Notre Dame.
You know, that's the thing about USC, and I don't
care that they're in the Big ten now and it's
some they act like it's some giant gauntlet of death.
You shouldn't have done it. Then, you know, if that,
if that prevents you from playing Notre Dame, then you're
too soft to be in the Big ten. I'm so
(24:21):
sorry that's true. That's you know.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean, I think you'd agree Pete Carroll during that era,
which I look at as that was the greatest, you know,
group of teams in USC's history.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
But he would have never turned this down.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
He would have never co no no and then and
you know I don't. I I could talk about, well,
I'll put it this way.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I would put that SC team up against any in
history of college football.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Okay, uh, you know I don't. There's the way I
mean O. J. Simpson and people like that, and John
McKay in the seventies a different game.
Speaker 6 (24:52):
I understand to tell what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
But uh, I mean, yeah, there there are great football teams.
I covered them as closely as anybody in the world.
I used to travel with them. But you look, I mean,
just as scheduling, we can argue about who was good
and who was bad and all that, But scheduling wise,
I mean they played Arkansas, they played Virginia, they played
(25:15):
Kansas at Kansas State, they played at Auburn. I mean
when I played at USC, we played at Florida State.
We played everybody we possibly could. I don't understand the
I mean, they were never afraid of a challenge. It
was it was a way to boost the programs visibility
(25:41):
in the BCS era or any era. But I mean,
I take your point, Brady. I mean those were absolutely
dominant football teams in a dominant era of USC, and
they played anybody they possibly could. You could say, well, yeah,
but they were in the Pac ten at the time,
Well okay, they would go anywhere and play anybody. They
(26:02):
went to Nebraska, Nebraska came here. They I mean they
played everybody you could possibly think of. That. I mean
when they played Auburn and O three, Auburn was the
number one team in the country and they played at
Jordan Hare. So yes, when us he is great generationally
throughout the years, and Pete Carroll of course the most
(26:22):
recent in everybody's memory. They have never, ever, ever, ever
shied away from anybody on a schedule. And this is
just it's just not This doesn't feel like USC football
at all. And if they if they try to do
this seriously, just chase start and then just start wearing
alternate uniforms, start wearing white shoes. Let's schedule half the games.
(26:45):
It's so far, you know, seriously, let's just scrap the
whole thing.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
I was gonna say, is a stub up center still open?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yeah, let's go play at the Dignity Health Sports Yeah. Yeah,
more of our jockstraps on the outside of our.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Get him on X at the Old Peh's.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
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which you can hear on the Blowtorch Am five to
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Speaker 4 (27:15):
Petros, we appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
I hate everybody there.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
He is there, he is other lizard. We said, hello, Petros,
lizards doing good?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Good? I better some horn worms last.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
Night, nice, real juicy.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah they're blue worms all right.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
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Speaker 3 (28:09):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here. We've
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about ten minutes from now here on FSR, Petros Papadak
is very fired up about the USC Notre Dame rivalry,
which is you know.
Speaker 4 (28:31):
Is it on life support? Would you say the rivalry there?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
No, I would describe it as it's a wait and see.
They obviously played this year. There's been been the thought
of extending it for another year in a twenty twenty six,
because I do believe what's an odd year, so they
play out Thanksgiving in southern cal I believe there's a
thought to extend it for one year. But the problem
(28:57):
then is with the timing of it because Southern Cal.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
Went to be a week zero, Week one game.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Notre Dame is saying, like, why do we need to change?
This has always historically been where it's at. There's other
schools that have rivalry games around that end part of
the season that could plague whether or not they're able
to get into the college football Playoff. And one of
the things that hinges on is the college football playoff structure.
(29:23):
And one of the things that's been kicked around is
we look to expand to fourteen or sixteen?
Speaker 6 (29:28):
If they went with a model where.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
It would go four four two two, which gets us
to twelve teams, and I believe there'd be like one
for the highest ranked group of five would get an
automatic bid or all my qualifier, and then you'd have
some at large bids on top of that, right, I
think three at that point. If we did sixteen teams.
One of the reasons why I think Southern Cal would
(29:50):
be more apt to schedule an extension of it is
because you'd have four spots the big ten would be allotted,
and I think they like their chances of being one
of those top four teams. Now, what gets really interesting, though,
is yesterday a bunch of news came out how the
SEC feels more confident or comfortable with five automatic qualifiers
(30:11):
and then eleven at large bids.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Now, why do you think that would be?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Then, by the way, the five automatic qualifiers, if I'm
reading this correctly, would be similar to the four Power
four conference champs along with the one highest rank group
of five and the rest would be the eleven automatic qualifiers.
The SEC would push for this because in that world
there's more opportunity for more SEC teams to be involved
(30:37):
because you're not being capped in other places. So if
you have eleven at large bids, there's a potential chance
you could have not just four in the other model,
and then maybe one or two, you might have two
others more often than not. So there's a thought that
the SEC, who along with the Big ten is behind
this pushing this actually once for there to be less
(30:58):
automatic qualifiers because they feel like they'll be ranked higher
with more at large bids, especially with the change that
we've recently made now to it'll just be the top
twelve seeded teams based on what the College Ball Playoff
Committee would.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Like to do.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
So in that world, I think there's concern from Southern
Cal that maybe they wouldn't be one of those top
twelve teams, or they wouldn't be able to qualify for
one of those eleven at large bids as opposed to
the other structure, or there's more guarantees, So that could
play a factor into what happens with this rivalry long term.
And the last thing is what happens with Southern Cal
(31:36):
this season. If Lincoln Riley and Southern Cal continue to
struggle and they find someone who's willing to buy out
Lincoln Riley, there lies I think the lack of an
issue now with playing this game altogether, since he's the
one who proposed it and brought up the idea of
it not being a thing moving forward in the first place.
(31:58):
Because I believe Southern Cal, their fans, I believe their
athletic director wants to do this, wants to extend this Ribbaly,
No one wants to end it. With the exception of
Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
You talk about a big time higher that has gone
about as poorly as you could have expected it to go.
Lincoln Riley's time in USC, and if his final scenes
as USC head coach are tried to get rid of
one of the great rivalries in the sport, out of
(32:28):
fear that he couldn't compete. I just I don't know, man,
Like this has not gone anywhere close to when anybody
thought it was going to be.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
And there was all this number one overall draft pick
and that Heisman went.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Okay, and that one's sold.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
I'm sure somebody's done worse as a high profile higher.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
Than getting a number one overall in the Heisman. I'm
saying it's pretty bad.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
It is bad.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Again.
Speaker 8 (32:56):
I think what's what's totally totally bad about it is
the fact that you have someone who doesn't have Like
we just listened to a guy who has a tie
and has an affinity and a love and an admiration
for their alma mater talk about how this makes him
feel somebody who played for that team, you know. I
(33:18):
just think that, like what I talked about earlier, in
terms of you're hiring these people, you're you're risking the
identity of what your institution represents because just maybe they
do care more about the results and what football opportunities
(33:39):
exists versus what makes the most sense for the university.
And that's sad if the university and the you know,
foundational components and the identity and the traditions that are
connected to the program and to the people. If you
(34:03):
find yourself in a situation, in a moment where there's
a disconnect taking place due to the fact that there
isn't a connective tissue to that person leading your team,
that's sad. That's really sad. And you know that's what
I think. There's more to come. I really think with
this new era and this new age in college football,
(34:27):
there's going to be more decisions that are made that
are based upon the bottom line and the business of
it all versus some of the sentimental value that's connected
to these universities and the history and the legacies and
the traditions that go along with them.
Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (35:57):
Please might smell a little fun cake. What is that?
It sounds incredible, but they're still good. Time to find
out what's lacks Lee's Lack jailers.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
All right, the lap, What do we got guys?
Speaker 10 (36:09):
It's been almost two weeks since those ten inmates have
escaped the New Orleans Parish jail. Now there's only two
left after three were captured just the other day. And
you can get odds on this on who will be
the last one standing. Currently there's Derrick Groves versus Antoine Massey.
Antoine Massey uh, who's one of the orchestrators, is of
the of the escape.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
He's at plus two to fifty.
Speaker 10 (36:31):
He's escaped from juvenile detention and he's escaped other penitentiaries twice,
broken two ankle monitors, So you can bet on him
at plus two to fifty or Derreck.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Rose who's h.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
This guy's resume.
Speaker 10 (36:46):
Well, domestic abuse, double shooting Paul No, like.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
That has nothing to do with escaping, Like, what's.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
His everybody's got flaws?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Come on, well's escape resume? So I could make a
good bet here, yea, yeah, I'll have it for you.
Speaker 10 (37:02):
So we broke out a juvenile hall in two thousand
and seven, used his chains to break out, break break
the glass, and get out on that doesn't say exactly
how he broke out a more house detention center, but
he was later caught chains.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Yeah, so both shocks. So both guys have broken out
a juvie. Uh No, Antoine Massey has broken out a juve.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
And we're talking about the other.
Speaker 10 (37:22):
Guy now, Derek Derek Roves is a three is uh
four murders second two second degree murders.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
But again, we don't care about his flaws. Listen, we
can't judge.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We're just talking about how is how does he have
a background and breaking out of any U.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
No llustrations or no.
Speaker 10 (37:37):
But him and Antoine Massy were seen together on surveillance
camera right after, so they were together for a while.
I think they've split ways since the way they got
out was, you know, they got through a faulty cell wall.
Then they got through, they found a toilet, removed the toilet,
and then had one of the guards turn off the
water by threatening him and then uh sawed through some
(37:57):
bars to get out that way, So behind.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
A toilet, saw through some bars.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I'm gonna go with Antoine just based on history and resume.
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Interesting fact about Antwine, though face tattoos might be easier
to spot him. Remember there's a twenty thousand dollars reward.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Seen those masks though guys can put on well like
covers their face.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
So those things are crazy.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
Please it makes it.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
Makes them look like a entirely different person.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
I got, I got Antoine Knocks Loucks.
Speaker 10 (38:27):
And Derek Groves at plus blood fifty. He's got a
lot of family ties in the area. Might be getting
a little bit of help. Uh yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Take away Derek Chicago bul Derek Groves.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Excuse me, but Derek Grove.
Speaker 6 (38:42):
Groves, I used Tod Rose. It's like, damn d we
had a fast first step.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
But like, how about how about how's going a lee?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
What's his background? Old domestic abuse? So no, like forgot
about all that. We know that's why he's imprisoned. But
we know he does I'm bad. Four time murderer.
Speaker 10 (38:57):
Yeah, uh, you know, let's go an alright, all right,
let's keep it in the uh, let's keep it in
this realm. How about the Diddy trial? Testimony has continued lately,
it's been kid Cutty on the He did four hours
two to four hours last week on stand, talked about
(39:17):
did he breaking into his place of residence, locking his
dog in the in the bathroom, opening up all his
family's Christmas presents and laying in wait trying to kill kids, cutting.
Speaker 8 (39:30):
All his families Christmas presents, opening up the Christmas kids.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
That is sinister, really.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Sinister, all the things I just heard.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Could you imagine being like one of the kids come down,
They're like, what what happened?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
You know?
Speaker 2 (39:49):
You know what? You know?
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I was really up in the air about this, whole
about it, this whole diddy thing that did it for me?
All right, now, now I understand what a scumbag he is,
all right, opening up Christmas presents.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
I think he's going to get off.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
I don't think it's going to be as bad a
punishment as people think, like it's like always going away forever.
Like I don't think so. Man, I think he's gonna
get off.
Speaker 10 (40:10):
I think the freaks, the freaky stuff, he'll get off on.
But I mean for this, for this, he took you know,
he took his Okay.
Speaker 5 (40:18):
All right, all right, low hanging is kind of funny, Lorena.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
I mean it was really very well timed, very creative
and execution. I mean I was, it was a fly
and it was it was split in there.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
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