May 29, 2025 • 40 mins
Caleb Williams answers to reports he wanted to avoid Chicago and somehow his father is still vilified. NFL Insider for TheMMQB, Albert Breer talks about the biggest headlines from OTA’s. Plus, Lee’s Leftovers.
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way up until the end of this hour nine am
Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. We addressed the massacre that
(00:56):
was the conclusion of the Western Conference Finals last night
in Oklahoma City, where the thunder took care of business,
to say the least, while eliminating the Timberwolves and going
on to the NBA Finals. So we'll find out whether
or not Indiana does the same thing coming up later
on tonight, and then you know, there's news and notes
from around the NFL. We discussed Stefan Diggs on a
(01:17):
boat with a pink substance called Tussi and you know,
a bunch of women around him and Mike Rable having
to respond to that. We also, I thought it was AI.
Anytime I see something outrageous anymore, I'm like, I say, I, yeah,
you kind of have to do that now.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I did not think that was a real video, And
I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
That's anything you like anytime anytime. Yes, humans aren't capable
of this.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
This has to be artificial. You cannot be that stupid
to get caught on film with drugs and a plastic
baggie on a boat. Yeah, it's like so many but
I learned more and more about our society and our
culture every day.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I mean, it recalls into question though, how it was filmed. Yeah,
I don't think he would have done that and acted
that way had he known he was on camera the
whole time. This felt like a situation where you go
rint a boat, you've got a captain, and that captain
is probably taping some stuff for his own personal protection
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or if anything gets damaged or if there's anything going on,
he has the ability to say, hey, I wasn't a
part of this. This is who was doing this. Here's
the proof. That would be my guess. But just every
time I see something crazy, I'm like, damn, that's uh,
that's humanity for you, man for wild, wild creatures.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I don't know who's I don't know who wrote the
comment I forget, but one of the comments under the
video of Stefan Diggs and the three women he was
with was.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
All four of those people are past their prime.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
So even the women on the ark car catching strays
from people on social media.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Camera phones ruined everything. Man ruin everything.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Guy can't have a private moment with a little bit
of a you know, pink snotsand on a boat that
he rented with some women.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
He's not married. Let him live his life. Technology is
ruining everything because they can not only can you capture
that type of content, but then you can distribute it,
and the fact that it has the information in it
that it has, it's going to get picked up it's
going to get picked up and then it's going to
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go viral, and then you got to deal with what
he's going to deal with. Now, this is a I'm
telling you, this is a big enough deal where he
could find himself getting cut from this team. Bro. I
think so it's a big enough that's a big enough
of fence because some TUSI yeah, bruh, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Sir, Yeah, it falls into the player contact Paulicy, but
sure avoids guarantees all types of stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, man, that's this is uh, this could turn into
an undoing. I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Nothing wrong with some organized two sea activities. If you
asked me each their own, I'd give them an extension.
We just signed you to three years, let's make it five.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Let's dot coming from the guy who's got Narcos thee
intro that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
May I Binge watched Choppo yesterday the last last three days.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's like three seasons you been You've been getting deep
into like these documentaries and different stuff down there.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Var I know, man, what else you're you going to watch?
That game?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Was?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
The game was overlast right?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Can I give you something not to watch that? It's
highly disturbing? Okay, well, you got bad Thoughts by Tom
Sighera on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I've heard it's a bit much. I mean, it is.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It gets so weird, and I mean there's some parts
that are funny.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's like, I mean, how long is it? How long
is it?
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Know?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
There's short episodes, but it is disturbing. I mean there
there's humor mixed, but it is like what am I watching?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Can you give an example?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
No, no, no, absolutely not not no, no, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
A hitman gets the wrong target who has rules against
women and children.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's how it starts off.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
All right, that's yeah, which is again there's humor mixed
in that particular scene and skit.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Is it like?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Is there like a laugh track in the background?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Not, no, no, it's it's it's very dark, vulgar, is
I guess the way I put it, it gets really
weird at times. I mean, and I like Tom Sigerett.
I think he's hilarious. It's just that is that's over
the top.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
M hmmm.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think I heard him on Rogan and the question
was and Netflix was okay with this? Huh, Well, I
think he paid for it himself, though, didn't he? I? Oh,
where's your burnovar? All right?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
So that being said, we bit Ado to the Western
Conference Finals. Nice sing you, Thank you everybody for being
a part of it. We transition over to some NFL storylines.
There was that Seth Wickersham article that came out about
some of the excerpts from the article about Caleb Williams
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not wanting to go to Chicago wanting to go to Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He had yet to.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Speak about the situation until he met with the media
yesterday addressed it and was also asked who's calling the
shots between him and his dad.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
I had a good visit at the other place Minnesota
with Ken O'Connell, good staff and all of that. Obviously,
he just won Coach of the Year award.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And things like that.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
So but something that keeps getting lost, something that keeps
getting I think not being addressed the way it needs
to be, is the fact that you know, I went
on that visit, first came here, and then after I
came here. It was a deliberate answer and determined answer
that I had is that I wanted to come here.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Does your dad speak for you?
Speaker 6 (07:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Uh no.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I actually shut my dad down quite a bit. He
has ideas he's a smart man, and so I listened,
and I always listen. And I'm very fortunate to be
in this position in the sense of, you know, playing QB,
but also very fortunate to have a very strong minded father.
But no, no, no, definitely grown man. And you know,
I shut him down quite a lot, just because you know,
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in season, out of season, something that you have to do.
You know, he cares so much about about me and
you know, my future and we've been along this this
journey so long together that you know all he wants
is the best for me.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Uh So, at least we know that the article is true,
the excerpts of the article were true, because none of
it was denied. And you know, now he's got to
got to address all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I just yeah, I mean, how unrealistic is it for
someone who and Lavarre again, you've been through the process.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I've been through the process.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
There's different visits, there's different moments in time that you
have with teams where you think to yourself, Wow, I'd
really like to play for that team.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I'd really like to play for that coach.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
So it's not that hard when you hear his explanation
to go, yeah, I could relate to that. I mean,
as if you guys have met Kevin O'Connell, talk to
Kevin O'Connell. He's a great dude. I mean, you could
see why people gravitate towards him. You could see why
he's had success. It's not just the roster, it's not
just guys like Justin Jefferson. He's an incredible offensive mind,
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but he's the type of guy that makes you want
to play for him. And he's got an opportunity now
with Minnesota to really continue to keep building off what
they were able to do the past few years.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
But I digress.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The point is I think sometimes you kind of get
in fastuate off, like when guys who've been in a
long term relationship turned single. Every person you meet after that,
you're like, oh, man, he's awesome. Oh this is awesome,
and this is different.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like I don't know if you guys feel the same way,
but you know, that's how I see it. So I've
never had an issue with this, only because that's probably
what happened or occurred during the course of, you know,
his time being evalued as a draft prospect.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
He'd probably fall in love with a lot of seams.
A lot of people.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
JJ McCarthy said the same thing about Kevin O'Connell before
the draft, Like, I remember that story was out, And
also it's not like in any critique or criticism they
had about the Bears organization was wrong, it was all right.
And what dad wouldn't want their son to be in
the best situation, especially knowing how the NFL works. Look
at Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett wasn't drafted that long ago,
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and there was a standing ovation in celebration that he
was in Pittsburgh and he was going to stay home
and play football there. And now he's on his third
team and might potentially be on his fourth team if
Dylan Gabriel and shud Or Sanders show some signs of
promise in training camp. So like, I totally get why
his dad would have concerns. Wouldn't you want your son
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to be in the best position possible to succeed knowing
how cruel the NFL world is and how fast the
stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I think it's interesting how parents can be villainized at times.
You know, I look at this situation, this scenario, like
why ask is like is your dad calling the shots?
What if he was calling the shots, what if he
is he's a he's an astute businessman, has done very well.
(10:30):
I mean he did. He went beyond the call of
duty to make sure he gave Caleb every every resource
that he could possibly have. Growing up, Caleb played in
our eighth grade All Star game and was a part
of our seven on seven tournaments that we were doing,
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all mammal tournaments. And I've had you know, my team myself,
We've we've had you know, great conversations with the father,
with Mark McCain, the personal trainer that has been with
Caleb from from the beginning. His dad has always has
always guided and managed Caleb always. I think it's interesting
(11:18):
when people start to have these strong opinions like all
the dads too. He's overbearing, he's not a die like
you see this with Dion and you know, you here
with other people. And my whole thing is is that
these phenomenons that you're seeing, you do realize that there
was a time where you had no idea who they were.
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You didn't know who they were going to be. You
don't know who they are, and you don't have an
opinion about them. You're talking about what's in your face.
But to that dad, that is his business every single
day to make sure that he's raising his children the
way that he needs to raise them in the way
to have six that's now he gets into a position
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where he's having success at the college level, and you
want to have conversations about how how involved is your dad,
Like why are you villainizing his dad and why are
you trying to make it like it's a slight against
Cayleb Williams. Caleb Williams shouldn't have to defend his dad.
You know how many things that they've gone through for
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him to get to where he's at and this point
in his life now it's all all of a sudden,
it's a problem. Well, I just I just think that
it's it's it's I feel like because I just saw
this same thing on on uh On jaydeon Daniel's mother,
Like I just I keep seeing like there's like these
these media attacks on parents and and I don't understand
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where does that come from. It's it's it's it's a
little bit more personal because I know the Williams family
and and it's not like I'm not close friends with them.
I don't go to Sunday dinners with them. But I
am aware of how hard that man has worked to
position Caleb to even have the opportunity to have some
of the things come his way that they have, and
(13:08):
then all of a sudden people have something to say
about it. I just think that that's interesting. And I
thought it was like, where does that even come from?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Like in the situation was that, you know, was it
appropriate for the conversation that they were having with him
about the team, Like okay, you're asking him did he
want to play for the Chicago Bears versus say the
Minnesota Vikings, Like okay, does that become a major part
of the conversation to talk about his dad? How much
(13:39):
is his dad, you know, running the show? I guess
maybe it's appropriate, but I just feel like positioning a
parent as like a villain, like oh, they're too they're
too involved, or they're a metaling or they're the problem.
Like you got a supportive dad that understands business, Like,
it can't just be just that. I just go back
to this.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
The most notable and examples are John Elway's dad and
what he pulled with when La was getting drafted by
Baltimore and then arch Manning when it came or Archie
Manning when it came to Eli Manning getting drafted by
San Diego. Baltimore left Baltimore and San Diego left san Diego.
So they were right, like they were concerned and so
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and and what do the organizations do to prove them wrong?
Left the city that they were concerned about their guy
going to So like, I just I don't I don't
have any I really don't have an issue with it.
And I know that people either well you know, like
do you speak for yourself? Do you have any Why
can't it be collaborative? And the fact that he even
asked to say, well, you know, I shut him down
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all the time.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Like you shouldn't be. Maybe that's why I took it
personal because I didn't like that cares. I had to
shut my dad down, like he doesn't have to appease you. Yeah,
look who cares to me? You're right, Jonas Hell? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I mean again, like this personal sounds like LeVar Maybe
he's trying to get shut down a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
He's not taking it over They well you.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
In all seriousness, though, it is odd to me how
some of the critics are some of the people who
are saying this either aren't parents or don't have kids,
haven't even experienced what that relationship is like. And on
top of it, he's got his son to this point.
So you think you know better than the dad or
the father of you know, these children, You think, like,
(15:32):
I mean again, maybe they do have experience. And if
they do, though, is your kid in the same position
he won a Heisman's gonna be the number one overall
pick talked about as a generational talent. So if you're
not in that category, maybe you shouldn't be speaking on it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Of what role the dad plays then in it?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Like, how can you be critical of someone who's been
able to raise their kid up to this point? Do
you think he's gonna steer him wrong? Now, Now that
doesn't mean that they're not there's not gonna be mists
made along the way. But one of the things that
I thought was interesting about the entire process for Caleboyams
before the draft was they were looking at things different
than any other prospect we'd seen before. You know, they
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were seeing like what capabilities that they talked about, what
signing with the UFL they talked about you know, different
ways of trying to not you know, sign into the
contract the way it was, getting a portion of the team, right,
equity within the team. What's wrong with them asking the question?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So someone explained to me if I was getting ready
to sign a contract with the company, I said, you
know what, don't pay me as much. I want to
be so invested in and want to be lockstep with
you guys. I want you actually to give me a
portion of what I'm supposed to be compensated in equity
in the company because I want to be with this company.
I want to help grow this company and make it successful.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
What's wrong with that? Like what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
They can always say no, like hey, that's against the rules,
or no one's done, this won't be allowed.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, there's no harm in that. There's no harm in.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Looking at things from outside the box and pushing envelopes.
It seems like people have an issue with people who
either think in a creative manner or think outside of
what conventional wisdom deals us.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
But the truth is, that's how you move the ball forward.
And honestly, and I said this during that time, he
was one of the unique prospects where if he could
try to go somewhere else, if he could try to
put himself in the best situation, they were gonna try
to and and.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
He could because he's that good.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
There's not many players that fall into that category. So
I never had an issue with it. I don't have
an issue with the dad or the son or anything.
He's extremely talented kid. I hope they can turn things
around in Chicago for the Chicago fan base. I think
the pairing with Ben Johnson is a step in the
right direction. Obviously, how things were going wasn't head in
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the right direction, and we know how big of a
role ownership plays.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I don't understand why people have an issue when you
get people who come along who are so special or
so talented and the people around them are trying to
do something.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's never been done before.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Because once that happens that it kind of opens the
box for others behind them. But still, until you have
somebody's able to do that, you don't think it's possible.
I mean, in all seriousness, when Archie Manning did that
with Eli, I'm sure there's a lot of people are like, damn,
I know that was possible, right, Even some of the
players who have skipped out on certain things, whether it's
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you know, the combine or workouts all stuff, It's like, well, yeah,
it makes sense if eighty percent of what they're being
grited on is the actual film and you can go
meet with them and get it. I have a feel
for their character and you're looking at their medical world, like,
none of that has to do with anything that involves
a pro day, none of that has to do with
anything that involves throwing or working out at the combine.
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And so if you're like ninety percent of your decision
or ninety five percent of your decision is made based
on film, medical and your evaluation of them and meetings
and hanging around.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Them, then why the hell are we doing it?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Like a lot of these players do it because they
have to, because it's what's always been done before, because
it's what's drives TV ratings now in the spring, because
the NFL has made the combine a big deal. I mean,
if that's what it's all about, then when you don't
have head coaches or even entire staffs going anymore, what
are we doing?
Speaker 6 (19:25):
So?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I don't know, I guess That's what bothers me about
all of this is there was a label placed on
the Williams family because the man in which they conducted
themselves before he got drafted. And the truth is it
was probably good for a lot of people future generations,
but also the NFLPA to be like, oh we can actually,
you know, push the envelope or do some different things.
We don't have to just follow the order that the
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NFL has provided us along.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
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Speaker 2 (20:50):
Good morning, what's up, guys? We're good.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
So you did a little bit of a deep dive
on the situation in Chicago when it comes to Ben
Johnson and Caleb Williams and trying to get this thing
sorted out. What did you learn from where they stand
this far into their time together.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Yeah, I mean I think, like, obviously you're limited what
you can do with a from a football standpoint February
and March and April, and so there was some relationship
building that went in there. But I think the early
pieces of his education course getting him ready to find
the offense, but it's also you know, trying to put
him in a position to carry himself like an NFL quarterback.
(21:32):
And I know that sounds kind of crazy because he
was the quarterback in Oklahoma and USC, But you know,
there are little things that they've sort of drilled down on.
Body language is actually a big one, you know. And
and then like last year, you know, Caleb Williams hit
some some very real adversity and getting knocked around. He
sacked I think more than any quarterback in the NFL,
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you know, and the team isn't very good. They fired
the OC and they fired the head coach, and so
body language actually became part of the education of Caleb
Williams here where you know, Ben Johnson would show show
him tape and like, hey, like you got to be
quicker to get yourself up off the ground. Here, Like
everybody's paying attention to the way you're you're carrying yourself
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and what you're and what you're doing out there, and
the way that you carry yourself is going to rub
off on the team. So there was that stuff. And
then there's a lot of the pre snap stuff, which
I think maybe coming from the offense that that that
he played in college and under Lincoln Riley, he had
a big learning curve there and so you know his
little things, Like one thing that was brought up to
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me was like, you know, there there was a play
on the first play of a game where the motion
was coming from the left and Caleb looked to the right.
You know, So it's cleaning up things like that that
you know, really kind of I think gives you command
and ownership of the offense, command and ownership of the team.
And that's you know what They're trying to help him
evolve into a an NFL quarterback obviously, you know, like
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we'll see what that looks like when when when the
bullets are flying. But for right now, I think a
big piece of this has been you know, we need
to get you carrying yourself a little bit more like
an NFL quarterback shit.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Which is interesting that you'd think.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Again, I mean Lincoln Riley at some point, who's had
other number one overall draft picks and send guys to
the league, would be saying the same thing while.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
He was at Oklahoma, even though he's young.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And then why was that southern cal I want to
switch gears a little bit though, ask you about what
we saw on Stefan Diggs. We know he's recovering from
the injury last year. But when a video like that
comes out and then Mike Rabel has to address it
and he's not at OTAs is there an element of
it when you look at it and say, like, hey,
that could fall into the player conduct? Paul say, I
(23:47):
that was deal structured like a three year deal, but
it's really a one year deal with I think twenty
six million guaranteed. Is there an element of hey, what
was that on the boat? Is this going to create
an investigation through the NFL? And maybe even what the
team's saying, like, okay, are we going to claw back
some of those guarantees within his deal?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
So well, first of all, Brady, I had to I
had to google what pin cocaine is. So I now
I'm now more educated on that.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's not a bit, that's that's not a big hit
in Nantucket.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I know a little bit more about two season. I
did thirty six, so let's just put.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It that way.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I just learned about it today, ab so I'm right
there with you.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
So now I know a little bit more. So I
guess I guess it's an educational for me as well. Yeah,
I think you know, I mean I think there are
a couple a couple of elements to this. Like the
first thing is, yeah, the league's gonna the league's gonna
look into this. They look at all these things. And
when the league looks into anything that, you know that
like materially becomes a pain in the ass for the team.
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The team doesn't want to deal with that. So that's
where you are as far as how this is going
to relate to his guarantees unless the league takes action.
And I have a hard time see where the league
would take action because it'd be hard to prove always
in the bag. I mean, the team would almost have
to act right away if it was going to avoid
his guarantees. In other words, like it's either you do
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something right away and you take action on this is unacceptable.
You can't like wait too much and then decides it's unacceptable,
or you know, you wait for the league to do something,
and if the league doesn't do anything, well, then you
can't really move on his guarantees. Now that said, like
you said, Brady, this is really just a one year deal.
The structure of the contract sets up so if they
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want to walk away from it after a year, it's
gonna be very easy for them to do that. And
I do think it's interesting just because you know, I
think Mike and and and his his group, they've been
very intentional about the type of people that bring it in.
You know, like just about every free agent that they
brought in, including Diggs, there's somebody in the coaching staff
that had background and experience with that player, with the
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exception of Milton Williams, who I think. You know, you
talk to anybody in Philadelphia and they'll tell you like
Milton Williams was like a plus character for them. So
outside of Diggs, there was a real emphasis on character
and what they were bringing into the building, and Diggs
was kind of their dice roll. And so like, you know,
I think Mike's very cognizant of you know, the other
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players in the locker room are paying attention to what
we pay, who we pay, what we reward, and you know,
so this this happening this early isn't great for them,
you know. That said I would say with Diggs, like
and fairness to him, and I really like Steph. You know,
competitiveness has never been an issue with them. Work ethic
has never been an issue with them. He's generally well
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liked and he's plastic quarterbacks, but like he's generally well
liked with the people around him, and so, you know,
I think that gives gets them a little bit of
rope here. But you know, certainly I don't think you
can have another situation like this and survive with your
Steph Diggs based on his age and the contract that
he's on and the fact that it's year one of
the program. What's ra able there?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Aby You talked about, you know, the quarterback like maturity
and understanding and development with Caleb Williams and what he
had to go through in Chicago his rookie season. We've
been having the ongoing debate about everything that's unfolding or
taking place in Cleveland. What is your now? Where we're
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at now? You know, Flacco comes out, he says, listen,
I'm not here to be a role model. I'm here
to start. You'd have to assume Kenny Pickett wants to
be the starter and wants to compete for that. You
have four guys, You have four guys on the roster.
I mean, I'm just going to continue to continue to
ask the updates on how it's being viewed I did
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see an article or two surface on now having the
conversation about there possibly being one of those guys that
can end up getting cut. What is the latest that
you're hearing on the developments there.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Well, let me start here. I love what Joe said
because it was so honest. I'm sure you guys can
relate to this as X players, right like where it's like, no,
my job is to win the starting job and play football.
You know, I'm not a babysitter. And you know, I
think there was a very there's there's honesty to that
because Joe is a good guy, you know what I mean. Like,
and I don't think Joe is going to do anything
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to hurt Sha Door or Dylan Gabriel, And I think
if those guys ask him for help, he's going to
give it to him. But you know, I think there's
the reality of life in the NFL that goes along
with that. And you know the reality is, you know,
Joe Black was in position to try to win a
starting job and that's what he's going to do and
that's going to be his first priority of course. So
I really liked the way Joe answered that question because
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it was like, you try to be a good person,
but you're here to compete as well, you know, I
think you know LeVar like I just I think they
just have to get to the competition a little quicker
than you normally would in a traditional position battle. And
I think that that means, like, can you get a
read by the tame time you break for summer in
the middle of June. Can you get to read on
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on who the two or three guys are who legitimately
have a shot to win the job? Stay in the
middle of August. So that way, you know, when you
get to camp and reps aret a premium and you
got to worry about the other ten guys in the
huddle two like that, those guys getting ready for the season.
You can have it at least narrowed down a little
bit where all right, like unless somebody really comes back
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and is like a totally different guy at the end
of July than he was in the middle of June.
You know, we have an idea of where we're going,
you know, and then I think you kind of keep
chipping away at it and you go from there. And
I think one of the questions you got to answer
to guys, and this isn't one that, like you know,
is going to fill talk show segments or anything like that.
Like you got to determine whether one or both of
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the rookies are ready to even be a backup, you know,
because if if you make the determination of Gabriel or
Sanders aren't prepared to be a backup, well, then does
that mean you have to keep both veterans in the roster.
Complicated situation overall, And that's without even getting into like
what happens when Deshaun Watson is cleared.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know a lot of them, Albert, If you're a
betting man, who do you think gets cut? You think
they keep the rookies or you think they keep the veterans,
and let you know, whoever doesn't end up starting be
the backup.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
I think there's a good chance that whoever. I think
there's a good chance whichever veteran doesn't win the job
gets cut or traded.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
There's some people don't think that, but yeah, I think
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think there's a strong chance that Shador Sanders gets cut.
I mean, no, I don't. I don't continually, but I'm
putting it out there so that I can say I
told y'all when it happens. I'm not putting it out there.
I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it because yeah,
I'm not saying it because I want to get cut down,
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stand on it, you know.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
The you know, the weird thing is though, it's like,
unless you're going to keep four, if you do feel
like you have to keep the two veterans on the
roster to protect the team, right like, and.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
That's exactly what it is. That's my reasoning. It's just
so we're clear on it, is that if you have
to decide to start Gabriel or Sanders, if that if
that's going to be your backup, then that says to me,
whoever it is that wins, it wins the job. Whether
it's Flacco or Picket, if they go down and Picket
or if if the two draft picks have to go
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in Gabriel or Sanders, you're punting on your season, That's
what that's it. In the AFC North, you're punting on
your season if that's your backup going into the season.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
And that's the hard place to be when you've got
a roster that's got veteran guys on it, and that's
not like it's not it's not. I like they've got
you know, Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward and guys that
you know, they they they they aren't at the stage
of their careers where it's like, yeah, like I'm willing
to throw the season over work for in the name
of pot and that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
And it's a great point. But we haven't seen any
of them play, so it's like, I don't need to
see him play.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's a third and four. It's a third and fifth
round draft pick, and if I'm looking at it, that's
from that perspective.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick, right, But
Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick and he
got drafted in a year where they signed Matt flinto
a deal and he went in in camp and he
looked great and he ends up being the starter.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So it's like, can we give them the opportunity to
plot the AFC North. It's not the North. NFC West
is really good this year. It's not the North. Q
it's not the North. I know the North better than you. Well,
you know that's fine. I grew up in it just
like you did. You could play in it. That's fine.
It is what it is.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
It's not the North to me, the other weird kind
of dynamic here. Two guys is like a third round
pick generally is going to be we can agree on that, right,
like gonna make you generally are going to make the team.
Well what happens is you do or is better than
than than Dylan Gabriel and Camp, but still not good
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enough to the pie the backup. Then are you talking
about like, are you talking about cutting Dylan Gabriel? Who
is your third round pick?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I mean it's just you're not going to cut a
third round pick.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Yeah, it's complicated every which way because of that and
the logistics of it. It's is so weird and different.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So if they're good enough to keep all of them
and you put one on your practice squad, that kid
is not going to stay on your practice squad. Somebody's
going to come graund he could though he could. I
don't see it. If you're going to go with four
guys and you're trying to hide one of those four,
which everybody knows the story on the fifth round draft pick,
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you're not going to hide him on You're You're you're
your practice squad.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You have to look at it this way though, from
the quarterbacks perspective. If you go sign with another team,
even though Cleveland's going to offer you the opportunity to
be on the practice squad, I'd assume you're looking at
it saying, Okay, does that give me the best chance
to go play even though I'm on their active roster
because they might be bringing you in as a three?
Are they really going to bring in a guy who
could make the roster as their backup?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Probably not have that bring you. Do you have that choice?
If a team comes in and that's the sign you do,
you say, no, I don't want to sign, I want
to stay here Prouse squad. You can stay that. Yes,
you can say that.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
They can pay you what you what you'd make on
the normal active roster as being on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
That is all doable and allowable.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And there's guys that I know that have been in
that situation that have stayed because they felt like it
was a better situation for them.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Happens all the time, right, right, it definitely exists, like that,
that exists, and like it's like and I think like
especially generally guys like that, right, I think to your point,
like are in the fringes of the league, and it's like,
what's going to give me the best chance to be
in the league two years from now. Is it going
to be going taking a swing in a place where
they don't know me, where they could get rid of
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me just as easily in a week, or is it
going to or is it staying in the place where
they where they've been developing and they have some personal
investment in me, even if that isn't with an active
roster spot like that, I mean that that's definitely part
of the equation for those guys because again, like those
guys are on the fringes of the league, and you know,
it's it's it's it's it's almost weird that we're talking
(35:14):
about sure this way too, because like a fifth round
pick is not guaranteed. Now usually they do, but a
fifth round pick isn't guaranteed to make a roster, you know,
as a rookie, Like that's just and certainly doesn't have
anything guaranteed that that you know, Like, so I mean
these are generally guys that that that that I.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Mean are disposable.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's really it's hard it's hard
to say whether or not a guy like that is
going to Some of them make it, but a lot
of them don't, you know, And that's and it's it's
just I can't remember a situation like this where we
had a guy who people were talking as if he
was going to be a top five pick and now
all of a sudden he's in that position where it's
like guy could be out of the league in a
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year or two based on where he was drafted up.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
You know, at least it's an organization that hasn't made
any weird decisions at the quarnerback position anytime.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
So we got that going for us.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
I mean taking Brandon Weed in at twenty eight years
old in the First.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Traveler, Okay, yeah, or there were the two hundred and
thirty million you gave to Yeah, they other stuff. Albert,
thanks so much, man, We appreciate it. Get him on
X at Albert Breer and we'll do it again next week.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
I think that there is.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Albert Prier, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB with us here on
Fox Sports Radio up next.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
So we will close up you did play in the North.
It was a hell of a comeback. By the way,
let me just state that I digress and there's that respect.
You did play in the North.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, I would also say this, the NFC West at
that time was arguably the best division in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
If you go back and look at those years.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
That was the battles between Seattle and San Francisco, back
in the harball days.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Where they're rolling and so on.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
It was I believe competitive too at that point in time.
So that was a really, really tough division.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'm not going to bet you on that. I'm giving
you your propers. Your your comeback was strong. It was
a strong comeback because in my heart I wanted to
sit there and say, but I grew up in Pittsburgh,
but you grew up in Ohio, so you could have
you could have combat at me with where you grew up.
I had no I had no firepower against your comeback.
So those are what I used to call that. That
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division is what I used to call the concussion division.
Black and Blake. Well, there's that.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
But also you'd like that that's where you saw stars
and you're like, oh yeah, now I remember what those games.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I was playing for keeps in AFC North Broh. They're
playing they still play for keeps in the AFC North Well.
Coming up next, we're going to play for keeps. It's
shaftovers right here, ONSR.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
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Speaker 3 (38:32):
These might smell a little fun, that sounds incredible, but
they're still good time to find out what's lack?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It's Lee's lap? Joe? All right?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
D laugh?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
What do we got, guys?
Speaker 7 (38:45):
It's the hundredth edition of The Script's National Spelling Bee
being held in the DC area.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Are you guys gonna be tuning in for this?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Well you're proud of the kids.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Though, proud of the kids, but not tuning in.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, nine finalists to be competing tonight.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
You can catch that. I'm sure you'll be hearing all
about it tomorrow. What is it?
Speaker 7 (39:04):
The Script's National Spelling Bee. It's gonna be the one
hundredth edition of it. It's always fun time. I like
spelling bees. I like seeing if I can they show
you the word, but I like to see if.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I could, like spell the word out. Because you're generally
not as smart as they are, not even close, So
I won't be watching. But yeah, I wish them. I
wish them. I'll see the highlights, guys, I wish.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
I would you hand them like a baseball and see
how they throw it.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
That will determine their work. See how see how high
they can jump? God, good Lee? God, would you be
proud of Andrew? You know, competing?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Killing it in the Scripts National spelling bee.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
No, no, no, get to the weight room, guys.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
I wish I had an update for you from the
ditty trials or from what's going on in New Orleans
as we look for those uh two escape bees, Antoine
Massey and Derek Roves. They're still out there, still out there,
all right, twenty thousand dollars Ward, Let's go, baby.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I mean, I'm going with the one who who coordinated
this escape.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I'm not supporting. Why not, I'm not supporting any part
of this is a terrible one.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Maybe they'll be there could be people who get like
killed along the wig.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
This is terrible. I don't know why you're joking for
them to get caught
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way up until the end of this hour nine am
Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. We addressed the massacre that
(00:56):
was the conclusion of the Western Conference Finals last night
in Oklahoma City, where the thunder took care of business,
to say the least, while eliminating the Timberwolves and going
on to the NBA Finals. So we'll find out whether
or not Indiana does the same thing coming up later
on tonight, and then you know, there's news and notes
from around the NFL. We discussed Stefan Diggs on a
(01:17):
boat with a pink substance called Tussi and you know,
a bunch of women around him and Mike Rable having
to respond to that. We also, I thought it was AI.
Anytime I see something outrageous anymore, I'm like, I say, I, yeah,
you kind of have to do that now.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I did not think that was a real video, And
I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
That's anything you like anytime anytime. Yes, humans aren't capable
of this.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
This has to be artificial. You cannot be that stupid
to get caught on film with drugs and a plastic
baggie on a boat. Yeah, it's like so many but
I learned more and more about our society and our
culture every day.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I mean, it recalls into question though, how it was filmed. Yeah,
I don't think he would have done that and acted
that way had he known he was on camera the
whole time. This felt like a situation where you go
rint a boat, you've got a captain, and that captain
is probably taping some stuff for his own personal protection
(02:21):
or if anything gets damaged or if there's anything going on,
he has the ability to say, hey, I wasn't a
part of this. This is who was doing this. Here's
the proof. That would be my guess. But just every
time I see something crazy, I'm like, damn, that's uh,
that's humanity for you, man for wild, wild creatures.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
I don't know who's I don't know who wrote the
comment I forget, but one of the comments under the
video of Stefan Diggs and the three women he was
with was.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
All four of those people are past their prime.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
So even the women on the ark car catching strays
from people on social media.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Camera phones ruined everything. Man ruin everything.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Guy can't have a private moment with a little bit
of a you know, pink snotsand on a boat that
he rented with some women.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
He's not married. Let him live his life. Technology is
ruining everything because they can not only can you capture
that type of content, but then you can distribute it,
and the fact that it has the information in it
that it has, it's going to get picked up it's
going to get picked up and then it's going to
(03:34):
go viral, and then you got to deal with what
he's going to deal with. Now, this is a I'm
telling you, this is a big enough deal where he
could find himself getting cut from this team. Bro. I
think so it's a big enough that's a big enough
of fence because some TUSI yeah, bruh, yes.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Sir, Yeah, it falls into the player contact Paulicy, but
sure avoids guarantees all types of stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, man, that's this is uh, this could turn into
an undoing. I mean.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Nothing wrong with some organized two sea activities. If you
asked me each their own, I'd give them an extension.
We just signed you to three years, let's make it five.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Let's dot coming from the guy who's got Narcos thee
intro that makes sense?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
May I Binge watched Choppo yesterday the last last three days.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
It's like three seasons you been You've been getting deep
into like these documentaries and different stuff down there.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Var I know, man, what else you're you going to watch?
That game?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
Was?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
The game was overlast right?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Can I give you something not to watch that? It's
highly disturbing? Okay, well, you got bad Thoughts by Tom
Sighera on Netflix.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
I've heard it's a bit much. I mean, it is.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
It gets so weird, and I mean there's some parts
that are funny.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's like, I mean, how long is it? How long
is it?
Speaker 6 (04:53):
Know?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
There's short episodes, but it is disturbing. I mean there
there's humor mixed, but it is like what am I watching?
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Can you give an example?
Speaker 1 (05:04):
No, no, no, absolutely not not no, no, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 7 (05:10):
A hitman gets the wrong target who has rules against
women and children.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That's how it starts off.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
All right, that's yeah, which is again there's humor mixed
in that particular scene and skit.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Is it like?
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Is there like a laugh track in the background?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Is there?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
No?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Not, no, no, it's it's it's very dark, vulgar, is
I guess the way I put it, it gets really
weird at times. I mean, and I like Tom Sigerett.
I think he's hilarious. It's just that is that's over
the top.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
M hmmm.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think I heard him on Rogan and the question
was and Netflix was okay with this? Huh, Well, I
think he paid for it himself, though, didn't he? I? Oh,
where's your burnovar? All right?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
So that being said, we bit Ado to the Western
Conference Finals. Nice sing you, Thank you everybody for being
a part of it. We transition over to some NFL storylines.
There was that Seth Wickersham article that came out about
some of the excerpts from the article about Caleb Williams
(06:29):
not wanting to go to Chicago wanting to go to Minnesota.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
He had yet to.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Speak about the situation until he met with the media
yesterday addressed it and was also asked who's calling the
shots between him and his dad.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
I had a good visit at the other place Minnesota
with Ken O'Connell, good staff and all of that. Obviously,
he just won Coach of the Year award.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And things like that.
Speaker 5 (06:50):
So but something that keeps getting lost, something that keeps
getting I think not being addressed the way it needs
to be, is the fact that you know, I went
on that visit, first came here, and then after I
came here. It was a deliberate answer and determined answer
that I had is that I wanted to come here.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Does your dad speak for you?
Speaker 6 (07:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Uh no.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
I actually shut my dad down quite a bit. He
has ideas he's a smart man, and so I listened,
and I always listen. And I'm very fortunate to be
in this position in the sense of, you know, playing QB,
but also very fortunate to have a very strong minded father.
But no, no, no, definitely grown man. And you know,
I shut him down quite a lot, just because you know,
(07:37):
in season, out of season, something that you have to do.
You know, he cares so much about about me and
you know, my future and we've been along this this
journey so long together that you know all he wants
is the best for me.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Uh So, at least we know that the article is true,
the excerpts of the article were true, because none of
it was denied. And you know, now he's got to
got to address all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
I just yeah, I mean, how unrealistic is it for
someone who and Lavarre again, you've been through the process.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I've been through the process.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
There's different visits, there's different moments in time that you
have with teams where you think to yourself, Wow, I'd
really like to play for that team.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I'd really like to play for that coach.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
So it's not that hard when you hear his explanation
to go, yeah, I could relate to that. I mean,
as if you guys have met Kevin O'Connell, talk to
Kevin O'Connell. He's a great dude. I mean, you could
see why people gravitate towards him. You could see why
he's had success. It's not just the roster, it's not
just guys like Justin Jefferson. He's an incredible offensive mind,
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but he's the type of guy that makes you want
to play for him. And he's got an opportunity now
with Minnesota to really continue to keep building off what
they were able to do the past few years.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
But I digress.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The point is I think sometimes you kind of get
in fastuate off, like when guys who've been in a
long term relationship turned single. Every person you meet after that,
you're like, oh, man, he's awesome. Oh this is awesome,
and this is different.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Like I don't know if you guys feel the same way,
but you know, that's how I see it. So I've
never had an issue with this, only because that's probably
what happened or occurred during the course of, you know,
his time being evalued as a draft prospect.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
He'd probably fall in love with a lot of seams.
A lot of people.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
JJ McCarthy said the same thing about Kevin O'Connell before
the draft, Like, I remember that story was out, And
also it's not like in any critique or criticism they
had about the Bears organization was wrong, it was all right.
And what dad wouldn't want their son to be in
the best situation, especially knowing how the NFL works. Look
at Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett wasn't drafted that long ago,
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and there was a standing ovation in celebration that he
was in Pittsburgh and he was going to stay home
and play football there. And now he's on his third
team and might potentially be on his fourth team if
Dylan Gabriel and shud Or Sanders show some signs of
promise in training camp. So like, I totally get why
his dad would have concerns. Wouldn't you want your son
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to be in the best position possible to succeed knowing
how cruel the NFL world is and how fast the
stuff goes.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
I think it's interesting how parents can be villainized at times.
You know, I look at this situation, this scenario, like
why ask is like is your dad calling the shots?
What if he was calling the shots, what if he
is he's a he's an astute businessman, has done very well.
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I mean he did. He went beyond the call of
duty to make sure he gave Caleb every every resource
that he could possibly have. Growing up, Caleb played in
our eighth grade All Star game and was a part
of our seven on seven tournaments that we were doing,
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all mammal tournaments. And I've had you know, my team myself,
We've we've had you know, great conversations with the father,
with Mark McCain, the personal trainer that has been with
Caleb from from the beginning. His dad has always has
always guided and managed Caleb always. I think it's interesting
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when people start to have these strong opinions like all
the dads too. He's overbearing, he's not a die like
you see this with Dion and you know, you here
with other people. And my whole thing is is that
these phenomenons that you're seeing, you do realize that there
was a time where you had no idea who they were.
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You didn't know who they were going to be. You
don't know who they are, and you don't have an
opinion about them. You're talking about what's in your face.
But to that dad, that is his business every single
day to make sure that he's raising his children the
way that he needs to raise them in the way
to have six that's now he gets into a position
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where he's having success at the college level, and you
want to have conversations about how how involved is your dad,
Like why are you villainizing his dad and why are
you trying to make it like it's a slight against
Cayleb Williams. Caleb Williams shouldn't have to defend his dad.
You know how many things that they've gone through for
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him to get to where he's at and this point
in his life now it's all all of a sudden,
it's a problem. Well, I just I just think that
it's it's it's I feel like because I just saw
this same thing on on uh On jaydeon Daniel's mother,
Like I just I keep seeing like there's like these
these media attacks on parents and and I don't understand
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where does that come from. It's it's it's it's a
little bit more personal because I know the Williams family
and and it's not like I'm not close friends with them.
I don't go to Sunday dinners with them. But I
am aware of how hard that man has worked to
position Caleb to even have the opportunity to have some
of the things come his way that they have, and
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then all of a sudden people have something to say
about it. I just think that that's interesting. And I
thought it was like, where does that even come from?
Speaker 6 (13:16):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Like in the situation was that, you know, was it
appropriate for the conversation that they were having with him
about the team, Like okay, you're asking him did he
want to play for the Chicago Bears versus say the
Minnesota Vikings, Like okay, does that become a major part
of the conversation to talk about his dad? How much
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is his dad, you know, running the show? I guess
maybe it's appropriate, but I just feel like positioning a
parent as like a villain, like oh, they're too they're
too involved, or they're a metaling or they're the problem.
Like you got a supportive dad that understands business, Like,
it can't just be just that. I just go back
to this.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
The most notable and examples are John Elway's dad and
what he pulled with when La was getting drafted by
Baltimore and then arch Manning when it came or Archie
Manning when it came to Eli Manning getting drafted by
San Diego. Baltimore left Baltimore and San Diego left san Diego.
So they were right, like they were concerned and so
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and and what do the organizations do to prove them wrong?
Left the city that they were concerned about their guy
going to So like, I just I don't I don't
have any I really don't have an issue with it.
And I know that people either well you know, like
do you speak for yourself? Do you have any Why
can't it be collaborative? And the fact that he even
asked to say, well, you know, I shut him down
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all the time.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Like you shouldn't be. Maybe that's why I took it
personal because I didn't like that cares. I had to
shut my dad down, like he doesn't have to appease you. Yeah,
look who cares to me? You're right, Jonas Hell? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I mean again, like this personal sounds like LeVar Maybe
he's trying to get shut down a couple of times.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
He's not taking it over They well you.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
In all seriousness, though, it is odd to me how
some of the critics are some of the people who
are saying this either aren't parents or don't have kids,
haven't even experienced what that relationship is like. And on
top of it, he's got his son to this point.
So you think you know better than the dad or
the father of you know, these children, You think, like,
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I mean again, maybe they do have experience. And if
they do, though, is your kid in the same position
he won a Heisman's gonna be the number one overall
pick talked about as a generational talent. So if you're
not in that category, maybe you shouldn't be speaking on it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Of what role the dad plays then in it?
Speaker 6 (15:49):
Right?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Like, how can you be critical of someone who's been
able to raise their kid up to this point? Do
you think he's gonna steer him wrong? Now, Now that
doesn't mean that they're not there's not gonna be mists
made along the way. But one of the things that
I thought was interesting about the entire process for Caleboyams
before the draft was they were looking at things different
than any other prospect we'd seen before. You know, they
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were seeing like what capabilities that they talked about, what
signing with the UFL they talked about you know, different
ways of trying to not you know, sign into the
contract the way it was, getting a portion of the team, right,
equity within the team. What's wrong with them asking the question?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Right?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
So someone explained to me if I was getting ready
to sign a contract with the company, I said, you
know what, don't pay me as much. I want to
be so invested in and want to be lockstep with
you guys. I want you actually to give me a
portion of what I'm supposed to be compensated in equity
in the company because I want to be with this company.
I want to help grow this company and make it successful.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
What's wrong with that? Like what I mean?
Speaker 1 (16:57):
They can always say no, like hey, that's against the rules,
or no one's done, this won't be allowed.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Okay, there's no harm in that. There's no harm in.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Looking at things from outside the box and pushing envelopes.
It seems like people have an issue with people who
either think in a creative manner or think outside of
what conventional wisdom deals us.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's what it is.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
But the truth is, that's how you move the ball forward.
And honestly, and I said this during that time, he
was one of the unique prospects where if he could
try to go somewhere else, if he could try to
put himself in the best situation, they were gonna try
to and and.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
He could because he's that good.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
There's not many players that fall into that category. So
I never had an issue with it. I don't have
an issue with the dad or the son or anything.
He's extremely talented kid. I hope they can turn things
around in Chicago for the Chicago fan base. I think
the pairing with Ben Johnson is a step in the
right direction. Obviously, how things were going wasn't head in
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the right direction, and we know how big of a
role ownership plays.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I don't understand why people have an issue when you
get people who come along who are so special or
so talented and the people around them are trying to
do something.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
That's never been done before.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Because once that happens that it kind of opens the
box for others behind them. But still, until you have
somebody's able to do that, you don't think it's possible.
I mean, in all seriousness, when Archie Manning did that
with Eli, I'm sure there's a lot of people are like, damn,
I know that was possible, right, Even some of the
players who have skipped out on certain things, whether it's
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you know, the combine or workouts all stuff, It's like, well, yeah,
it makes sense if eighty percent of what they're being
grited on is the actual film and you can go
meet with them and get it. I have a feel
for their character and you're looking at their medical world, like,
none of that has to do with anything that involves
a pro day, none of that has to do with
anything that involves throwing or working out at the combine.
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And so if you're like ninety percent of your decision
or ninety five percent of your decision is made based
on film, medical and your evaluation of them and meetings
and hanging around.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Them, then why the hell are we doing it?
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Like a lot of these players do it because they
have to, because it's what's always been done before, because
it's what's drives TV ratings now in the spring, because
the NFL has made the combine a big deal. I mean,
if that's what it's all about, then when you don't
have head coaches or even entire staffs going anymore, what
are we doing?
Speaker 6 (19:25):
So?
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I don't know, I guess That's what bothers me about
all of this is there was a label placed on
the Williams family because the man in which they conducted
themselves before he got drafted. And the truth is it
was probably good for a lot of people future generations,
but also the NFLPA to be like, oh we can actually,
you know, push the envelope or do some different things.
We don't have to just follow the order that the
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NFL has provided us along.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
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Speaker 2 (20:50):
Good morning, what's up, guys? We're good.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
So you did a little bit of a deep dive
on the situation in Chicago when it comes to Ben
Johnson and Caleb Williams and trying to get this thing
sorted out. What did you learn from where they stand
this far into their time together.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Yeah, I mean I think, like, obviously you're limited what
you can do with a from a football standpoint February
and March and April, and so there was some relationship
building that went in there. But I think the early
pieces of his education course getting him ready to find
the offense, but it's also you know, trying to put
him in a position to carry himself like an NFL quarterback.
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And I know that sounds kind of crazy because he
was the quarterback in Oklahoma and USC, But you know,
there are little things that they've sort of drilled down on.
Body language is actually a big one, you know. And
and then like last year, you know, Caleb Williams hit
some some very real adversity and getting knocked around. He
sacked I think more than any quarterback in the NFL,
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you know, and the team isn't very good. They fired
the OC and they fired the head coach, and so
body language actually became part of the education of Caleb
Williams here where you know, Ben Johnson would show show
him tape and like, hey, like you got to be
quicker to get yourself up off the ground. Here, Like
everybody's paying attention to the way you're you're carrying yourself
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and what you're and what you're doing out there, and
the way that you carry yourself is going to rub
off on the team. So there was that stuff. And
then there's a lot of the pre snap stuff, which
I think maybe coming from the offense that that that
he played in college and under Lincoln Riley, he had
a big learning curve there and so you know his
little things, Like one thing that was brought up to
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me was like, you know, there there was a play
on the first play of a game where the motion
was coming from the left and Caleb looked to the right.
You know, So it's cleaning up things like that that
you know, really kind of I think gives you command
and ownership of the offense, command and ownership of the team.
And that's you know what They're trying to help him
evolve into a an NFL quarterback obviously, you know, like
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we'll see what that looks like when when when the
bullets are flying. But for right now, I think a
big piece of this has been you know, we need
to get you carrying yourself a little bit more like
an NFL quarterback shit.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Which is interesting that you'd think.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Again, I mean Lincoln Riley at some point, who's had
other number one overall draft picks and send guys to
the league, would be saying the same thing while.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
He was at Oklahoma, even though he's young.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And then why was that southern cal I want to
switch gears a little bit though, ask you about what
we saw on Stefan Diggs. We know he's recovering from
the injury last year. But when a video like that
comes out and then Mike Rabel has to address it
and he's not at OTAs is there an element of
it when you look at it and say, like, hey,
that could fall into the player conduct? Paul say, I
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that was deal structured like a three year deal, but
it's really a one year deal with I think twenty
six million guaranteed. Is there an element of hey, what
was that on the boat? Is this going to create
an investigation through the NFL? And maybe even what the
team's saying, like, okay, are we going to claw back
some of those guarantees within his deal?
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (24:05):
So well, first of all, Brady, I had to I
had to google what pin cocaine is. So I now
I'm now more educated on that.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
That's not a bit, that's that's not a big hit
in Nantucket.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
I know a little bit more about two season. I
did thirty six, so let's just put.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
It that way.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I just learned about it today, ab so I'm right
there with you.
Speaker 6 (24:27):
So now I know a little bit more. So I
guess I guess it's an educational for me as well. Yeah,
I think you know, I mean I think there are
a couple a couple of elements to this. Like the
first thing is, yeah, the league's gonna the league's gonna
look into this. They look at all these things. And
when the league looks into anything that, you know that
like materially becomes a pain in the ass for the team.
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The team doesn't want to deal with that. So that's
where you are as far as how this is going
to relate to his guarantees unless the league takes action.
And I have a hard time see where the league
would take action because it'd be hard to prove always
in the bag. I mean, the team would almost have
to act right away if it was going to avoid
his guarantees. In other words, like it's either you do
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something right away and you take action on this is unacceptable.
You can't like wait too much and then decides it's unacceptable,
or you know, you wait for the league to do something,
and if the league doesn't do anything, well, then you
can't really move on his guarantees. Now that said, like
you said, Brady, this is really just a one year deal.
The structure of the contract sets up so if they
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want to walk away from it after a year, it's
gonna be very easy for them to do that. And
I do think it's interesting just because you know, I
think Mike and and and his his group, they've been
very intentional about the type of people that bring it in.
You know, like just about every free agent that they
brought in, including Diggs, there's somebody in the coaching staff
that had background and experience with that player, with the
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exception of Milton Williams, who I think. You know, you
talk to anybody in Philadelphia and they'll tell you like
Milton Williams was like a plus character for them. So
outside of Diggs, there was a real emphasis on character
and what they were bringing into the building, and Diggs
was kind of their dice roll. And so like, you know,
I think Mike's very cognizant of you know, the other
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players in the locker room are paying attention to what
we pay, who we pay, what we reward, and you know,
so this this happening this early isn't great for them,
you know. That said I would say with Diggs, like
and fairness to him, and I really like Steph. You know,
competitiveness has never been an issue with them. Work ethic
has never been an issue with them. He's generally well
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liked and he's plastic quarterbacks, but like he's generally well
liked with the people around him, and so, you know,
I think that gives gets them a little bit of
rope here. But you know, certainly I don't think you
can have another situation like this and survive with your
Steph Diggs based on his age and the contract that
he's on and the fact that it's year one of
the program. What's ra able there?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Aby You talked about, you know, the quarterback like maturity
and understanding and development with Caleb Williams and what he
had to go through in Chicago his rookie season. We've
been having the ongoing debate about everything that's unfolding or
taking place in Cleveland. What is your now? Where we're
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at now? You know, Flacco comes out, he says, listen,
I'm not here to be a role model. I'm here
to start. You'd have to assume Kenny Pickett wants to
be the starter and wants to compete for that. You
have four guys, You have four guys on the roster.
I mean, I'm just going to continue to continue to
ask the updates on how it's being viewed I did
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see an article or two surface on now having the
conversation about there possibly being one of those guys that
can end up getting cut. What is the latest that
you're hearing on the developments there.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Well, let me start here. I love what Joe said
because it was so honest. I'm sure you guys can
relate to this as X players, right like where it's like, no,
my job is to win the starting job and play football.
You know, I'm not a babysitter. And you know, I
think there was a very there's there's honesty to that
because Joe is a good guy, you know what I mean. Like,
and I don't think Joe is going to do anything
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to hurt Sha Door or Dylan Gabriel, And I think
if those guys ask him for help, he's going to
give it to him. But you know, I think there's
the reality of life in the NFL that goes along
with that. And you know the reality is, you know,
Joe Black was in position to try to win a
starting job and that's what he's going to do and
that's going to be his first priority of course. So
I really liked the way Joe answered that question because
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it was like, you try to be a good person,
but you're here to compete as well, you know, I
think you know LeVar like I just I think they
just have to get to the competition a little quicker
than you normally would in a traditional position battle. And
I think that that means, like, can you get a
read by the tame time you break for summer in
the middle of June. Can you get to read on
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on who the two or three guys are who legitimately
have a shot to win the job? Stay in the
middle of August. So that way, you know, when you
get to camp and reps aret a premium and you
got to worry about the other ten guys in the
huddle two like that, those guys getting ready for the season.
You can have it at least narrowed down a little
bit where all right, like unless somebody really comes back
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and is like a totally different guy at the end
of July than he was in the middle of June.
You know, we have an idea of where we're going,
you know, and then I think you kind of keep
chipping away at it and you go from there. And
I think one of the questions you got to answer
to guys, and this isn't one that, like you know,
is going to fill talk show segments or anything like that.
Like you got to determine whether one or both of
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the rookies are ready to even be a backup, you know,
because if if you make the determination of Gabriel or
Sanders aren't prepared to be a backup, well, then does
that mean you have to keep both veterans in the roster.
Complicated situation overall, And that's without even getting into like
what happens when Deshaun Watson is cleared.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
You know a lot of them, Albert, If you're a
betting man, who do you think gets cut? You think
they keep the rookies or you think they keep the veterans,
and let you know, whoever doesn't end up starting be
the backup.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
I think there's a good chance that whoever. I think
there's a good chance whichever veteran doesn't win the job
gets cut or traded.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
There's some people don't think that, but yeah, I think
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think there's a strong chance that Shador Sanders gets cut.
I mean, no, I don't. I don't continually, but I'm
putting it out there so that I can say I
told y'all when it happens. I'm not putting it out there.
I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it because yeah,
I'm not saying it because I want to get cut down,
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stand on it, you know.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
The you know, the weird thing is though, it's like,
unless you're going to keep four, if you do feel
like you have to keep the two veterans on the
roster to protect the team, right like, and.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
That's exactly what it is. That's my reasoning. It's just
so we're clear on it, is that if you have
to decide to start Gabriel or Sanders, if that if
that's going to be your backup, then that says to me,
whoever it is that wins, it wins the job. Whether
it's Flacco or Picket, if they go down and Picket
or if if the two draft picks have to go
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in Gabriel or Sanders, you're punting on your season, That's
what that's it. In the AFC North, you're punting on
your season if that's your backup going into the season.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
And that's the hard place to be when you've got
a roster that's got veteran guys on it, and that's
not like it's not it's not. I like they've got
you know, Miles Garrett and Denzel Ward and guys that
you know, they they they they aren't at the stage
of their careers where it's like, yeah, like I'm willing
to throw the season over work for in the name
of pot and that's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
And it's a great point. But we haven't seen any
of them play, so it's like, I don't need to
see him play.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
It's a third and four. It's a third and fifth
round draft pick, and if I'm looking at it, that's
from that perspective.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick, right, But
Russell Wilson was a third round draft pick and he
got drafted in a year where they signed Matt flinto
a deal and he went in in camp and he
looked great and he ends up being the starter.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So it's like, can we give them the opportunity to
plot the AFC North. It's not the North. NFC West
is really good this year. It's not the North. Q
it's not the North. I know the North better than you. Well,
you know that's fine. I grew up in it just
like you did. You could play in it. That's fine.
It is what it is.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
It's not the North to me, the other weird kind
of dynamic here. Two guys is like a third round
pick generally is going to be we can agree on that, right,
like gonna make you generally are going to make the team.
Well what happens is you do or is better than
than than Dylan Gabriel and Camp, but still not good
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enough to the pie the backup. Then are you talking
about like, are you talking about cutting Dylan Gabriel? Who
is your third round pick?
Speaker 2 (33:13):
I mean it's just you're not going to cut a
third round pick.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Yeah, it's complicated every which way because of that and
the logistics of it. It's is so weird and different.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
So if they're good enough to keep all of them
and you put one on your practice squad, that kid
is not going to stay on your practice squad. Somebody's
going to come graund he could though he could. I
don't see it. If you're going to go with four
guys and you're trying to hide one of those four,
which everybody knows the story on the fifth round draft pick,
(33:43):
you're not going to hide him on You're You're you're
your practice squad.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
You have to look at it this way though, from
the quarterbacks perspective. If you go sign with another team,
even though Cleveland's going to offer you the opportunity to
be on the practice squad, I'd assume you're looking at
it saying, Okay, does that give me the best chance
to go play even though I'm on their active roster
because they might be bringing you in as a three?
Are they really going to bring in a guy who
could make the roster as their backup?
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Probably not have that bring you. Do you have that choice?
If a team comes in and that's the sign you do,
you say, no, I don't want to sign, I want
to stay here Prouse squad. You can stay that. Yes,
you can say that.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
They can pay you what you what you'd make on
the normal active roster as being on the practice squad.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
That is all doable and allowable.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
And there's guys that I know that have been in
that situation that have stayed because they felt like it
was a better situation for them.
Speaker 6 (34:32):
Happens all the time, right, right, it definitely exists, like that,
that exists, and like it's like and I think like
especially generally guys like that, right, I think to your point,
like are in the fringes of the league, and it's like,
what's going to give me the best chance to be
in the league two years from now. Is it going
to be going taking a swing in a place where
they don't know me, where they could get rid of
(34:54):
me just as easily in a week, or is it
going to or is it staying in the place where
they where they've been developing and they have some personal
investment in me, even if that isn't with an active
roster spot like that, I mean that that's definitely part
of the equation for those guys because again, like those
guys are on the fringes of the league, and you know,
it's it's it's it's it's almost weird that we're talking
(35:14):
about sure this way too, because like a fifth round
pick is not guaranteed. Now usually they do, but a
fifth round pick isn't guaranteed to make a roster, you know,
as a rookie, Like that's just and certainly doesn't have
anything guaranteed that that you know, Like, so I mean
these are generally guys that that that that I.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Mean are disposable.
Speaker 6 (35:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's really it's hard it's hard
to say whether or not a guy like that is
going to Some of them make it, but a lot
of them don't, you know, And that's and it's it's
just I can't remember a situation like this where we
had a guy who people were talking as if he
was going to be a top five pick and now
all of a sudden he's in that position where it's
like guy could be out of the league in a
(35:57):
year or two based on where he was drafted up.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
You know, at least it's an organization that hasn't made
any weird decisions at the quarnerback position anytime.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
So we got that going for us.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
I mean taking Brandon Weed in at twenty eight years
old in the First.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Traveler, Okay, yeah, or there were the two hundred and
thirty million you gave to Yeah, they other stuff. Albert,
thanks so much, man, We appreciate it. Get him on
X at Albert Breer and we'll do it again next week.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
I think that there is.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Albert Prier, Amazon NFL on Prime Insider, senior NFL reporter,
lead content strategist at the MMQB with us here on
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Speaker 2 (36:33):
So we will close up you did play in the North.
It was a hell of a comeback. By the way,
let me just state that I digress and there's that respect.
You did play in the North.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Well, I would also say this, the NFC West at
that time was arguably the best division in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
If you go back and look at those years.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
That was the battles between Seattle and San Francisco, back
in the harball days.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Where they're rolling and so on.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
It was I believe competitive too at that point in time.
So that was a really, really tough division.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'm not going to bet you on that. I'm giving
you your propers. Your your comeback was strong. It was
a strong comeback because in my heart I wanted to
sit there and say, but I grew up in Pittsburgh,
but you grew up in Ohio, so you could have
you could have combat at me with where you grew up.
I had no I had no firepower against your comeback.
So those are what I used to call that. That
(37:29):
division is what I used to call the concussion division.
Black and Blake. Well, there's that.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
But also you'd like that that's where you saw stars
and you're like, oh yeah, now I remember what those games.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I was playing for keeps in AFC North Broh. They're
playing they still play for keeps in the AFC North Well.
Coming up next, we're going to play for keeps. It's
shaftovers right here, ONSR.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
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Speaker 4 (38:00):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 3 (38:32):
These might smell a little fun, that sounds incredible, but
they're still good time to find out what's lack?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It's Lee's lap? Joe? All right?
Speaker 4 (38:42):
D laugh?
Speaker 2 (38:43):
What do we got, guys?
Speaker 7 (38:45):
It's the hundredth edition of The Script's National Spelling Bee
being held in the DC area.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Are you guys gonna be tuning in for this?
Speaker 1 (38:53):
No?
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Well you're proud of the kids.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
Though, proud of the kids, but not tuning in.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Yeah, nine finalists to be competing tonight.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
You can catch that. I'm sure you'll be hearing all
about it tomorrow. What is it?
Speaker 7 (39:04):
The Script's National Spelling Bee. It's gonna be the one
hundredth edition of it. It's always fun time. I like
spelling bees. I like seeing if I can they show
you the word, but I like to see if.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I could, like spell the word out. Because you're generally
not as smart as they are, not even close, So
I won't be watching. But yeah, I wish them. I
wish them. I'll see the highlights, guys, I wish.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
I would you hand them like a baseball and see
how they throw it.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
That will determine their work. See how see how high
they can jump? God, good Lee? God, would you be
proud of Andrew? You know, competing?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
Killing it in the Scripts National spelling bee.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
No, no, no, get to the weight room, guys.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
I wish I had an update for you from the
ditty trials or from what's going on in New Orleans
as we look for those uh two escape bees, Antoine
Massey and Derek Roves. They're still out there, still out there,
all right, twenty thousand dollars Ward, Let's go, baby.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I mean, I'm going with the one who who coordinated
this escape.
Speaker 6 (40:06):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I'm not supporting. Why not, I'm not supporting any part
of this is a terrible one.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Maybe they'll be there could be people who get like
killed along the wig.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
This is terrible. I don't know why you're joking for
them to get caught
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