August 6, 2025 • 40 mins
The depth chart is misleading when it comes to Travis Hunter’s usage at training camp. 3-Time Super Bowl winner and current GM of UNC, Michael Lombardi joins the guys to talk about his new book, “Football Done Right: Setting the Record Straight on the Coaches, Players, and History of the NFL.” Plus Lee’s Leftovers.
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six o'clock Pacific. So yesterday we caught up with our
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guy Pete Prisco and apparently he was up on something
that maybe not a lot of people were because from
what I had seen, the impression was that Travis Hunter
was going to be more wide receiver than he was cornerback,
and apparently, based on their scrimmage numbers, that is not
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the case. So what is the what's the plan? Then
in Jacksonvills, he just going to the depth chart is wrong.
They were looking at a cornerback two and a wide
receiver one. And so now Pete Priscoe was saying yesterday like, no,
he's going to be a cornerback, and you know they're
going to work him in at wide receiver depending on
certain packages. But nonetheless, Travis Hunter, there's a lot going
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on there in Jacksonville with how to use him. But
it does look like maybe leaning more towards cornerback with
getting some work in with the wide receivers as well too,
based on these numbers came.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Out, I mean, I would say, and looking at it,
I think Pete prisco is probably accurate in saying that
they're giving or was it ab that said that, that
they're giving him more work on offense, because that's that's
where he probably needs the most work and learning the
verbiage of the offensive plays in the in the playbook,
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as well as certain things small small details and things
that he has to learn and to do as a receiver,
whether it be splits and lineups, whether it be shifts
and motions, whether it be the depth of the routes,
the timing of it all. I think there's there's definitely
a lot more details that he needs to get a
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hold of as as a receiver versus being a corner.
Got but I think that that's probably why he's doing
more reps on the offensive side of the ball as opposed.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
To offense for your teams, you coach, right, Yeah, I
did see.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I'm going to put my I'm going to put my best,
my best athletes. But I had the you know, I
had twenty twenty one players, twenty two players. Q. Oh,
so you're okay, So so everybody was a Travis Hunter
on my team.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Yeah, well, well, I guess the point I'm getting to though,
is I think you pointed out something that you know,
I don't know if you you've been willing to admit.
I think it takes it takes a little more to
play offense. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes, it does, it does. It's fair.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah, there's just more. Yeah, it's more to it, definitely
more to it.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
There's so many things for offensive players to learn, and
you know, everyone's always like, well, what's the easiest I'm like, well,
it's not really that easy, as you just laid out
between your split switch. Honestly, that's one of the harder
things for wide receivers to get down because splits matter
so much so in the NFL because the ball is
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primarily in the middle of the field, at least compared
to college. Right, you think about how why those college
hashes are. You know, your splits don't matter quite as
much because if you're to the field, you've got a
ton of space. If you're to the boundary, it's a
little more important, but you don't have as much space.
When you're in the NFL, it's not as big of
a variance because you're pretty much in the middle of
the field even if you're on the left or right hash.
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So your splits have to be much more precise because
you're playing against guys who are faster than more efficient,
and those windows open and close, you know, quicker. So
because of that, you then need to make sure your
splits where it needs to be so you can get
into that window or you can open up another window
for someone else. So it's a I'm just I'm glad.
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You know you've kind of come to the come to
the offensive side. You saw that, you've seen the light,
so the light now it's you're like, no, no, no, no,
hold on.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I remember when we first started doing the show together,
Jonas used to tell me that you'd be drawing up
place I did.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Did I find that adorable? I just want you to
know that I find that absolutely adorable.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You have Urban Meyer try you want.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
We were drawing up plays in the Avocado room. Yeah,
and it worked. I told you, I called it and
it worked in the I mean, it was a play action.
It was an RPO play action, and it just we utilized.
It was utilizing crossers like it was a movement. It
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was a movement play. So we moved, made them move
pre snap, you know, just to try to get because
in high school they lose count.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
In fact, if you ask a high school.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Kid, do they understand counting on the defense side of
the ball, most of them will not understand what you're
asking them. So so when you're moving guys around and
and they have to figure out what their coverage is, like,
motions and shifts are really really difficult.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
On high school defenders.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
So so he made it a shift a shift formation
and then you motioned into it. There was a that
was a speed to the outside to the flat. You
had one coming back across in the shallow and then
one went deep deep end. And the deep end was
supposed to be like hit because of you know, the
shallow was going to draw the safety up, and it
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did drew the safety up. The outside route was open
and they went for a deep one.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So it hit.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Yeah, but it was an r PO, so it looked
like it was like a run from the start of
the play, right.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He put it in there, pulled it out.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Pause, got got back, got a little step back, gave
it some space and let it go and it was there.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So there you go.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
But the basic thought is he's gonna have a much
greater learning curve for offense. And the nice thing is
is he's, like I said before, they've got Brian Thomas.
Brian Thomas is their number one wide receiver, Travis. You know,
Hunter may merge into that, but he's not going to
need to start off that way. And that's and that's okay,
there's nothing wrong with that. You know, he he can
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mix in and he can become part of that. But
they can, you know, find ways of utilizing him. Hopefully
they can disguise it, which is not easy to do
because you're gonna have to waste some players out there
with him not as the number one reader, not getting
the football, but on the field. And you know, then
on defense you can focus on him, you know, trying
to be a starter, trying to be the guy. I mean,
him him across from Tyson Campbell, Like, that's a hell
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of a duo. Like you've got, you've got two sides
locked down, and you could essentially just you know, force
the throw in the middle of the field and that
should be able to win you some football games defensively
at least mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I mean, it does make the Jaguars interesting. First time
in a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's been definitely makes them interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
So they've been just there's been nothing going there for
a long time. And so now you've got you've got
Travis Hunter there. You've got skeptics in and around the NFL,
one of those being DeVante Adams. He was on the
pivot and talking about the potential of him playing both sides,
that him being Travis Hunter. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
I don't even think it's possible to do for real,
not at a high level, and then going there. It's
hard enough to go cover a punt and then and
then be on you know, one side of you know,
and I didn't.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I haven't done it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I'm not acting like I'm gonna.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Kick off for a punt.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
But I can see the dudes, and I know, you know,
you you got your guys, and you see the yardage
of my yardage over the over the game versus somebody
that starts on the offense and then plays special teams
as well, Like, that's just a lot of mileage, man,
And I don't know how long. I'm not even concerned
so much if he can do it over the course
of a game or a season. It's more like how
long is his career gonna be if he's playing that
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many snaps, because you just all you're doing is doubling
your risk for injury one And I don't wish any
of that on him. I hope that he can play
an injury free season and go ball out, But I mean,
it's just the reality. The more you're on the field, yeah,
I mean, it's already one hundred percent injury guarantee. You know,
once you get out there playing both sides and now
you gotta tackle, you got you gotta tackle Derrick Henry
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with that frame.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
So there's you know that earlier in the week, right.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I mean, like his career as one or the other
is probably depending on again, the trajectory is going on.
He's easily in the double digits. He might say that
by the time he's thirty, he's eight years into it.
He might be like, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think to guys that have always played both ways,
it's like it's like the idea of if you had
multiples as kids and you never had one child, you'll
never know what it's like to have one child. And
so I feel like this is the same difference, like
that you start to transition out of what it feels
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like to be a two way player when you go
to college more often than not, but there's there's a
few that you know that go both ways, and this
is one one of those times where the both ways
was like a really both ways and it never changed
in terms of what he did and in high school
versus what he did in college. So I think your
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body responds differently when it's already repping it out that way.
It's not like he's doing something new now. The wear
and tear, I think that's very real, and I think
that that's the one thing that exists that makes the
most sense in terms of looking at it from a
lens of concern. But to Travis Hunter, I mean, I'm
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sure he'll tell you he'll go for as long as
he can, for as many years as he can, doing
both ways and doing it at a high level. I
don't think that while he's doing it, it's going to,
you know, take a dip. I don't think he's going
to take a dip. If he's going both ways. I
think he's going to be Travis Hunter who plays both
ways legitimately. But I do think that the biggest question
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would be for how long? How long can he go
both ways for and be effective and be healthy. I
think that those are valid, valid points.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
It's got to be exhausting, you know, just an EXAs
Austin career that he's, uh, what.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Are you getting now?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I don't know. I just you know, it's probably gonna
need to.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Sleep well, you get what he's gonna get and need
some rea.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Sure you have time for Jonas. Do we have time though?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Probably a blue too read in instead of hour three,
I got three hour three hour two show.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I couldn't hear you.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
You were whispering, do we got Do you have time though, Jones?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You got time? Q? Oh?
Speaker 10 (11:25):
Okay, Well he's telling me we're up against it. Yeah,
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Speaker 4 (12:22):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
up and uh we'll call it a little over twenty
minutes from now, we are going to close up shop
here with another edition of Lee's Leftovers out of yours
here on FSR. But we promised you a three time
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Super Bowl champion, and he has arrived. We welcome in
Michael Lombardi, longtime front officeman, longtime assistant in the NFL.
You mentioned the three Super Bowl championships. He's now the
GM at North Carolina and he's the author of Football Done,
setting the record straight on the coaches, players and history
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of the NFL. Mike, thanks so much for making us
and giving us a few minutes of your time here
on this morning.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
No problem.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So I just want to ask you, first and foremost
when it comes to North Carolina, what was why was
this the right move for you because, look, you've had
a successful run, you've got the Super Bowl rings, you've
been had success in the media. But why was now
the time for you to get back and involved and
specifically North Carolina at the college level.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Well, obviously, Coach Belichick and I we did a podcast
together on a TV show last year at NFL Films,
and we spent a lot of time together talking about
all things that relate to the NFL, and it always
came back to the fact that in college it's a
pro job. I mean, let's face it, the kids deserve
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to get paid. They make a lot of money for
the universities, they put the school on the map. They're
going to have a salary cap and the job is
very challenging if you're trying to manage the cap, evaluate players,
build a personnel department, and then also coach the team.
It really is a two person job. It's a one
voice job, but it's a two person job. And I
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think ultimately he and I both looked at it, and
there was a situation that came up and we both
looked at each other, that's a pro job. And I
think that just led us to North Carolina being you know,
we were here. Back in nineteen ninety two, we were
on campus, we were scouting. We were with the Browns.
He was the head coach. I was a GM, and
we walked around the campus. We were working players out
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in the area, and we want to like, why don't
they win here? This is an incredibly magical place. It's
a great school. It's not a basketball school, it's a
great school. So I think ultimately that's what transpired.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Michael, I got to ask you this though, you know,
it seems like it is a pro job.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
There's no doubt.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
It's definitely getting to where I think the NFL is now,
but it's not quite there. You know, there's not as
much structure around it. Does it feel a little bit
chaotic at times with so many moving parts and a
lot of things that are still evolving and changing. And
then the other part of that is how do you
take your expertise in what you've acquired over your time
in the NFL and apply that to being a general
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manager at the college level at its current state.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Well, two things. Your first question to answer your first
question is it's really important that you that you understand
that we don't have a collective art and agreement and
so you can't get upset with the way the rules change.
You would like more clarity on a lot of things,
and I think there should be some form of a
collective bargain agreement. I don't think it's fair that a
kid spends you know, he signs an il deal in
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December and then enters the spring portal and takes money
from the university for three months and then transfers, you know.
I think that's kind of that's not ethical business. I
really don't. I think that's hard. I think it's not
a lesson. We want to teach our kids. So you know, now,
should you have the right to transfer, absolutely, but I
think there should be one transfer portal, but there should
be more of a unilateral and a collective way to
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where things where there's rules and we're not in the
wild wild West. To me my expertise, and I wrote
about this in my book Ridion Genius. My job here
is to build systems and processes, because without systems and processes,
you can't win, whether you're in high school, college, or
pro And so what we have to do is we
have to identify who do we want to become. We
want to be a smart tough, dependable football team at
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North Carolina. So I have to build processes and systems
that acquire players that fit the description that we're doing.
That means have a grading system, that means build a
draft board, that means recruit the players that fit our model,
scout inside out, and then evaluate the current roster to
make sure that a player gets paid the right amount
and being we don't overpay a player he's more than
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willing to transfer, and don't underpay a player because he's
going to transfer if you do that. So a lot
of moving pieces, but for the most part, it's about
getting the process in place, having a grading system. So
we're not arguing about who's a good player and who
isn't a good player. We're arguing about the description of
the player. You know, you see all these shows on
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TV they argue, who's a good player. Well, let's take
Michael Parsons, right, Michael Parsons describe him, and that description
tells you what he should make based on the current
salary structure of the people in the league. So obviously
he's as good as TJ. Watt. He's the highest paid player.
So Jerry's job is to try to find a way
to get him a little bit above TJ, and mackais
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option is to get a lot above TJ. So there
lives to dispute.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
It's an interesting point. And for you being at the
college level, mas LeVar, by the way, great to hear
your voice and great.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Great, thank you.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Nice to talk to you.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Absolutely, I'm just curious and the things that you're saying
in the current space that you're in. You write the book,
which I think it makes a ton of sense football
done right, because there is a lot of it done
wrong and people may not realize that, but it is
is this for you the ability to be able to
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do R and D like to figure out what works
best and how does that apply from you know, college students,
because there still has to be the student aspect, the
go to school and get good grades to aspect of
it for where you guys are at.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But how does that compare or how does what you're.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Preaching and putting in your book apply to college and
pro or does it apply to both or just one
in particular.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Well, when you get paid right, LaVar, you become a professional.
And so our job here at North Carolina is to
teach these kids what it means to be a professional right.
Amateurs blame others, Professionals accept responsibility. Amateurs focus on the
short term, Professionals focus on the long term. Amateurs show
up the practice to have fun. Professionals realize what happens
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in practice happens in the game. So there's so much
difference between an amateur and a pro, and it's our
job to teach them that, because if you're going to
take a check and you're going to be held accountable,
you just know, you know, we're not just hoping you
go play the slots at the casino and we'll comp
you for room, food and beverage and make money off
your gambling habits. That's not what we're doing here. We're
running a business and you've accepted it as a business
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because you're taking a check. So our delivery is very
much professional. We call ourselves the thirty thirteen not because
we want to compete in the NFL, but because of
the professional lessons that we're going to teach him. What's
the first thing I tell every player that walks into
my office, I tell them, what are you going to
do when you sign your letter of intent to come
to school here? They said, well, I'm going to buy books, No,
you're not. What am I going to do with the
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first thing, there's change your cell phone number, because everybody's
gonna want tickets, everybody's gonna want gear, everybody's going to
want something from you. But you're a professional now, and
tickets cost money, and gear costs money, and you can
control who's in your life and who's not in your
life life, And so for me, that's the lesson we're
trying to teach the kids here. You know about that
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when we were in New England. You know, at the
first rookie meeting, we had Verizon at and T we
had you know, all the T mobile We had them
all waiting outside there so the kids could understand, Hey,
you're pro now, and pros control who comes in their lives.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Mike,
before we let you go, you had a successful run
with the first book, Gridiron Genius. What motivated you to
write the next one, Football Done Right, which is now
on paperback here soon.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Well, what motivated me was the injustices that happened in
the league, the inconsistency. George Allen went to one Super
Bowl and lost. He won seventy percent of his game
season the Hall of Fame. I don't dispute that Marty
Schottenheimer won two hundred games in his career. He's one
of nine human beings on planet Earth that has ever
done that that's called themselves the head coach. He can't
get into the Hall of Fame. Well, they say, well,
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he never won a Super Bowl. Either did Marv Levy,
either did Bud Grant. The inconsistent in the voting. I mean,
I wrote the book under the pretense why it was
Sterling Sharp not in the Hall of Fame. Two years
later he got in the Hall of Fame. But there's
so many players that are overlooked in that area. And
I think, to me, especially in the coaching venue. You know,
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it's a political it's a political event. It's not based
on merit. Why did it take so long for Charles
Haley to get into the Hall of Fame. It's ridiculous, right,
Charles Haley's one of the best players in the National
Football League. It took him forever to get in the
Hall of Fame. Well, he wasn't popular with the media,
and I think you need to take that out of it.
You know, I think it's an injustice that Clark Shaughnessy,
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the man who invented the forward pass. He invented the
forward pass. When I used to get on the team
bus in San Francisco, Bill Walsh would be dudling Clark
Shaughnessy's plays. He's in the College Hall of Fame, but
he can't get in the pro he invented the pass.
You know, there's just these kind of things. No one's
paying attention to it. And the purpose of the book was,
you know, Larry David on his show Curby Your Enthusiasm
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he called the g that sits in the middle of
a dinner party table the middler, the st conversation. That's
what I was trying to do with this book is
stir conversation.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Michael Lombardi awesome. You can get him on x at
m Lombardi U NCGM. Congrats on the new gig, can't
wait to watch. It's gonna be fascinating. Congrats on the
second book and let's do it again soon.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
There he is, Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox
Sports Radio. The more we get closer to Belichick, Lombardi
at North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Must see t the more I'm fascinated by its. See,
you can't wait to see how this is going to work.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Listening to by the way, I mean, everyone who surrounds
Bill Belichick, or I should say who he surrounds himself with,
is super sharp. I mean, that's the one thing I
would say, just from all the coaches that I played
for that were assistants under Bill Belichick and coordinators and
became head coaches, they're super sharp and they all have
they know football. And so if you look at like
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all those coaches and you go, well, why did they
have more success or why don't Moore win Super Bowls?
It's it's hard, man. You just listen to Michael Lombardi
tell you about a guy like Marty Schottenheimer who won
two hundred games, who was an incredibly successful coach that
didn't win a Super Bowl. But grant, there's there's others
who have been legends of the game, and that it
doesn't always equates always working out that way because there's
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a lot of factors that play a role. But I
love hearing about the history of it. I love, you know,
because I mean football it's all you know, copycat. You know,
guys kind of rinse repeat, you know, some of the
stuff that's been going on for a long time.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I will say this, new Rockney may have.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
An issue with his claim on who created the forward pass?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Oh yeah, can do?
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I do think new Rockney at one point was credited
in creating the forward pass. So I'll have to help
to look that up.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I mean, there's only one way to get to the
answer here, great or Lee Lee? Yeah, I'll take Lee
over grock any day of the week. It way more entertaining.
All right, Lee, who created the forward pass?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
So we can get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
This is important.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It is true though, there's so many variables and so
many things that need to happen right for you to
win a Super Bowl, And once you win that Super Bowl,
the way your career is viewed is completely different. And look,
it definitely is worth something. But man, I mean, like
Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan's probably there's probably a discussion being
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had for him being a Hall of Famer. If they
could hold onto a lead, or you know, if they
chose to run the ball a couple more times, or
if one of those two point conversions that the Patriots
converted on late in that game. They don't convert on
Matt Ryan. All of a sudden, we're talking about him
being a Hall of Famer. With a Super Bowl ring
(24:45):
and a win over Tom Brady just changes you the
course of your entire career.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Yeah, I mean, look, and those are nuanced conversations, right.
You know, he's playing with another Hall of Famer in
Julio Jones. But it's incredible to think how it is
media driven. Like we're talking about that subject right now,
But if you ask other people who played with them,
you know, people like will come up to bat form
and say, no, he should be a Hall of Famer.
I mean Philip Rivers, another guy who didn't win a
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Super Bowl, was incredibly successful and prolific of the course
of his career and a player that when you talk
to guys who are like, no, he should be a
Hall of Famer, there's people who feel that way. So look,
fans have their opinion, media has got their own opinion
on it. But the fact that it is the way
it is sometimes where guys have to wait, who shouldn't
That's what's frustrating.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I don't know, man, I'm curious to see how it
all plays out and to see what we're talking about
legacies and how people are viewed and being one win
or wins away from being viewed a certain type of way.
What will the aftermath of this experiment project with you
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and c with Belichick, with Lombardi coming to college with
a sense of, as he said in himself, teaching these
young guys how to be professionals from day one?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Did you like that?
Speaker 6 (26:05):
By the way, I actually loved to just say, because
you're like it kind.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Of makes sense, and it makes sense in a lot
of ways. My biggest question is, with so many different backgrounds,
so many different motivations, how are you able to get
those lessons across with some seventeen, eighteen year old, nineteen
(26:30):
year old, you know, twenty year old, you know, young
young dudes. There are so many different things that their
minds are on and and it's just it it sounds
good in theory.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Well, I think there's some common ground there.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You would see if you've ever coached and you've been
around these kids on an everyday basis, It is definitely
very Uh, it's it's a challenge.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'll say that there's some common ground.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I heard the setup, go ahead, finish it. No I'm
just finish the finish the setup. What they're interested in.
At that age, you know some young coach, same age
and they go out on double dates. I mean, you
are a funny dude, because it did. I heard you,
but it didn't click in. I was waiting for the punchline.
And then I really thought about what you said.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
And if you don't think you're not gonna run into
Bill Belichick at the hot spot there in Chapel Hill,
all right, whatever restaurant.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
That is on a date night, you're a dead rock.
That's relatable. I mean, they are relatable. Damn.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I mean, don't you respect him more as a talent
evaluator based on this offseason?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's what I do.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I bet you those kids are going to play harder.
I bet you they're gonna play harder for a coach
that they know will date a woman.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
That looks like that at that age.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
I bet you they play harder because the respect factor
is going to be different up till you he's playing
in our pool.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
I feel like, in all seriousness, I did.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
This, you did? Do you did? Does all right?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Good? I do feel like this is going to work.
I mean, there's a there's a number of things that
line up for U and C to be successful. Outside
of Clemson, clem is gonna be really good this year.
There's not really another team that makes you go okay,
like Miami could be really good, which weird stat this is.
This is actually amazing. By the way, do you guys
(28:31):
know Miami in their first I want to say, it's
like six or seven games, they played one away game
before November. Really the season starts for them with August
thirty first, that Sunday Night versus Notre Dame. They will
play in the state of Florida all right the entire
time until November, so they're basically playing I think it's
(28:53):
like six home games and one away game. Uh maybe
they play what at Florida Stairs someone they play someone
else else on the road, but in Florida, everywhere else
is at home. It is the most stacked schedule I
have ever seen.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Oh yeah, Florida, Florida at Florida State.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Jesus, it's everything's at everything's in Miami besides the Florida
State game. And then they finally go on the road in.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
November, and they're going to start off the year oh
and one.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
So they got to make up for that's right, how
about them apples top But anyway, Miami's schedule sets up
well for them, with the exception of having to get
drum by Notre Dame week one, Clemson won't be good.
But outside of that, you're going all right. Like Florida
State's kind of down, so you and seek it easily,
flip the script on. A lot of people will become
that team no one's talking about. And I think a
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lot of the things they're doing, you know, bringing more
of a pro style model. You hear about some of
the parents who want their son to you know, play
for Bill Belichick and have that all that NFL experience.
It's real. I mean, Michael, the whole cell phone thing
just kind of tickles me because it's just it's one
of those little quirks that you when you sit and
think about it, you go, that's a powerful message to
(30:03):
tell to a young person who's got money and now
fame at a really young age. Is you now control
who's in your life? And I understand your point of like, hey,
it's not that easy, which, by the way, it's I
don't care if you're black, white, Hispanic, whatever, Like what yep,
I'm just saying everyone deals with that like taking care
(30:23):
of the family, taking care of the boys, taking care
of whatever it is, you know, whatever you want to
describe it like, there's all elements of that once you
get money and once you make it. So it's a
powerful message to me because I think it resonates with
like anyone at that stage of life who's eighteen years
old as all of a sudden making hundreds of thousands
of dollars, maybe even depending on who they are, a
(30:43):
million or more, and then being able to understand how
you get to deal with that. You know, that's a
tough thing to deal with at eighteen years old.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Lee, Do we have an answer on who created the
forward pass?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, Well, the.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
University of North Carolina likes to say that they invented
the forward pass, which might you know, some people might
say is the case because they did it in eighteen
ninety five against the University of Georgia. It wasn't legal
until nineteen oh six, and so it was credited to
coach of Saint Louis University Eddie Coacherns, the father of
the forward pass, Bradbury Robinson. Bradberry Robinson threw that first
(31:16):
pass under those rules, it wasn't incomplete and therefore resulted
in a turnover. He did later throw a twenty yard
touchdown in that season. But yeah, his coach, Eddie Coacherns
is considered the father of.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
The forward pass.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Okay, so I'm seeing John Heisman is the renowned coach
is most closely associated with the development of it because
he's the one who helped advocate and really pushed it
a legalized and then nineteen oh six rules committee. That's
what I was able to find.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Lee.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Uh yeah, sorry, uh yeah, well radio you huh well, no, figure,
you know, they can't see you, like.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Look, yeah, say something.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
They can't see the hour glass sy to process.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Hailee respond a little bit quicker than that.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
But you are the grock for people driving.
Speaker 9 (32:08):
I stand No, I agree that John Heisman, the namesake
of the Heisman, wrote thirty years later that he believes
that the tar heels gave for to the forward pass. Again,
it wasn't legal until nineteen oh six. I'm just telling
you what.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Who you're telling us what crock you found on rock?
Speaker 9 (32:23):
No, I'm telling you what. Uh So, there's many historians
who say that Eddie Coachurns was to the forward pass
with the right brothers word of aviation, and what Thomas
Edison was to the electrics all right, to electric.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Staff again cross right, chat GBT perplexity. What do you
usually Gemini?
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (32:40):
Use Wikipedia of course.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, well if you used Google, you used Gemini more like.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
More like lead to fact. He knows this stuff, that's right.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh my gosh, Please Alee.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
What was the email I sent you last night? You
completely left out for the Michael Lobardi interview what his
current title is? Of all the things you just sent
over to promote.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
I forget what you said. I remember you called me
lead a drunk? But uh and then I basically stopped
stop reading what you have to write.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Because I said he's the current general manager at North Carolina,
which you did not include the email.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
Yes, I did, current GM of U n C. It's
right there on the on the rundown.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
The first thing on the rundown on the email.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
The email I sent you was about the book. Obviously
we know we're going to talk about you, Lee.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
What did he call what did Brady call you.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Lead a drunk?
Speaker 9 (33:36):
And then I stopped reading.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
It's really good. It's really good.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Yeah, because it's so unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
I mean, I think without saying that we were going
to sending you information of things that you didn't drunk.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That's a T shirt. I got to change that on
the zoom lead the lead.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So what so if he leads with the drunk, you're out?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Fire, Okay, I knew.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
But I said, don't get sensitive because I'm not sensing
all the time. It's fine.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
I'm not too sensitive about it. I'm just saying I
didn't know that he's the current GM.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Of UNC's Barney from The Simpsons. You're fine.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Ah, oh no, damn, oh no, all right, what the
hell happened here?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Well, it is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
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Speaker 3 (35:24):
Please might smell.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
A little fun.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
How that sounds incredible?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
But they're still good. Time to find out what Slack's
Lee's laphos?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
All right, d lap, what do we got?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
All right?
Speaker 6 (35:35):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (35:36):
Yesterday was mister Hulk Hogan's memorial service, star studed event.
Many people came to show their respects. Of course we've
talked about this before. I believe that the one person
who didn't show was his daughter Brooke. She decided to
honor her father the best way. She thought was privately
on a beach, which is where he liked to hang out.
She hung out there with her twins. She also famously
(35:58):
has taken herself out of his will. So yeah, rip
to mister Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Like an upbeat story to start off Lee's left over.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah there you go.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Yeah, yeah, I got a lot of sad ones here
for you today.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
How about this?
Speaker 9 (36:11):
Howard Stern is one hundred million dollar contract famously signed.
It's probably no longer going to be happening in Too
Serious XM has reportedly grown tired of that salary. They
will offer him a contract that they expect him to reject.
So after twenty years on that at Serious XM, he
will likely be done at the end of his contract.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Can I say this without it being controversial him getting
paid as much as he did. I understand the economics
of it because he brought over so many subscribers who
signed up Too Serious for that show. But you gotta
feel lucky man, just for getting paid what he was
getting paid to talk. Oh god, you know what I'm saying, Like,
my god, dude, like you wouldn't do that for less?
(36:53):
Like what just because he's got his standard of what
he's been paid like he should feel extremely fortunate and
blessed for what he's been able to do for as
long as he's been able to do it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
He was definitely a trailblazer.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
He was you know, yeah, what was that movie?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
He made? Private? Part of it? Parts? That was it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (37:13):
That was interesting that.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Yeah, I mean he broke down a lot of barriers.
He challenged a lot of things on on on radio.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
We actually watched that movie in college for radio, just
so that we know what he did. Did they show
all the scenes?
Speaker 7 (37:31):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (37:31):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Okay, bring that speaker right over here.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, you ain't lying?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
What else?
Speaker 9 (37:40):
Yeah, guys, some stuff for you to watch this in
the next couple of days. King of the Hill has
come back and return. I don't know if you guys
were fans of King of the Hill back of the day.
I'm about halfway through the season.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Is that the show with the guy who's got no ass?
Speaker 9 (37:55):
He has a narrow urethra I knew me a beer?
What he famously? Well, of course, King Uh, that's kind
of hill. He sells propane and propane accessories. If you
watch the show, famously has a narrow Urethra. And if
you watch this new season, well it opens up with reminding,
opens up with a narrow urethra.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
Yeah, he's coming back from Saudi Arabia and is on
the takes the whole flight to try.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
To use the restaurant. Okay, very interesting. It's a great show.
That's funny to you.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
I didn't quite I didn't quite appreciate it when I
was younger, But no, no, I love it. I'm excited
to see Bobby twenty one year old Bobby.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
That's right, Bobby Hill.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
I don't think it's going to hit the same There's
no way it's going to hit the same.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Did you guys see that that Peyton Manning is producing
a show on.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
What is it with.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
The the Mountains and stuff like that? Paramount Paramount? I
believe it's going to be on for hip hop. I
was like, where he come for the history of hip hop?
Speaker 7 (39:04):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yeah, I had no idea you're going in the mount
It was like the mountains, the Mountain, you know, isn't
that Paramount? Yeah, you're right, right, I just.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I remember.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
I just saw Peyton Manning on on camera just now
and Lee was talking about some some weird like Narrow
Urethra type stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I just I tuned out. I tuned out and I
saw Peyton.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I was like, oh, by the way, and you had
no thank you for tuning in, which I think, yeah, right,
I think that's really cool, like Peyton Manning doing the
history of hip hop like up top.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
In one segment we got Paul Cogan's death and Narrow
Urethra and Peyton Manning working on hip hop, fucking that trees.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
All right, which one of those was about sports.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
That's all sports related.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Right till you finish the show, that's right.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Dang these leftovers. Tavy Day draw the droop, he drow
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six o'clock Pacific. So yesterday we caught up with our
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guy Pete Prisco and apparently he was up on something
that maybe not a lot of people were because from
what I had seen, the impression was that Travis Hunter
was going to be more wide receiver than he was cornerback,
and apparently, based on their scrimmage numbers, that is not
(01:24):
the case. So what is the what's the plan? Then
in Jacksonvills, he just going to the depth chart is wrong.
They were looking at a cornerback two and a wide
receiver one. And so now Pete Priscoe was saying yesterday like, no,
he's going to be a cornerback, and you know they're
going to work him in at wide receiver depending on
certain packages. But nonetheless, Travis Hunter, there's a lot going
(01:49):
on there in Jacksonville with how to use him. But
it does look like maybe leaning more towards cornerback with
getting some work in with the wide receivers as well too,
based on these numbers came.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Out, I mean, I would say, and looking at it,
I think Pete prisco is probably accurate in saying that
they're giving or was it ab that said that, that
they're giving him more work on offense, because that's that's
where he probably needs the most work and learning the
verbiage of the offensive plays in the in the playbook,
(02:22):
as well as certain things small small details and things
that he has to learn and to do as a receiver,
whether it be splits and lineups, whether it be shifts
and motions, whether it be the depth of the routes,
the timing of it all. I think there's there's definitely
a lot more details that he needs to get a
(02:45):
hold of as as a receiver versus being a corner.
Got but I think that that's probably why he's doing
more reps on the offensive side of the ball as opposed.
Speaker 6 (02:55):
To offense for your teams, you coach, right, Yeah, I
did see.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I'm going to put my I'm going to put my best,
my best athletes. But I had the you know, I
had twenty twenty one players, twenty two players. Q. Oh,
so you're okay, So so everybody was a Travis Hunter
on my team.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Yeah, well, well, I guess the point I'm getting to though,
is I think you pointed out something that you know,
I don't know if you you've been willing to admit.
I think it takes it takes a little more to
play offense. Is that fair to say?
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yes, it does, it does. It's fair.
Speaker 5 (03:30):
Yeah, there's just more. Yeah, it's more to it, definitely
more to it.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
There's so many things for offensive players to learn, and
you know, everyone's always like, well, what's the easiest I'm like, well,
it's not really that easy, as you just laid out
between your split switch. Honestly, that's one of the harder
things for wide receivers to get down because splits matter
so much so in the NFL because the ball is
(03:58):
primarily in the middle of the field, at least compared
to college. Right, you think about how why those college
hashes are. You know, your splits don't matter quite as
much because if you're to the field, you've got a
ton of space. If you're to the boundary, it's a
little more important, but you don't have as much space.
When you're in the NFL, it's not as big of
a variance because you're pretty much in the middle of
the field even if you're on the left or right hash.
(04:19):
So your splits have to be much more precise because
you're playing against guys who are faster than more efficient,
and those windows open and close, you know, quicker. So
because of that, you then need to make sure your
splits where it needs to be so you can get
into that window or you can open up another window
for someone else. So it's a I'm just I'm glad.
(04:39):
You know you've kind of come to the come to
the offensive side. You saw that, you've seen the light,
so the light now it's you're like, no, no, no, no,
hold on.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
I remember when we first started doing the show together,
Jonas used to tell me that you'd be drawing up
place I did.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:54):
Did I find that adorable? I just want you to
know that I find that absolutely adorable.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
You have Urban Meyer try you want.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
We were drawing up plays in the Avocado room. Yeah,
and it worked. I told you, I called it and
it worked in the I mean, it was a play action.
It was an RPO play action, and it just we utilized.
It was utilizing crossers like it was a movement. It
(05:22):
was a movement play. So we moved, made them move
pre snap, you know, just to try to get because
in high school they lose count.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
In fact, if you ask a high school.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
Kid, do they understand counting on the defense side of
the ball, most of them will not understand what you're
asking them. So so when you're moving guys around and
and they have to figure out what their coverage is, like,
motions and shifts are really really difficult.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
On high school defenders.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
So so he made it a shift a shift formation
and then you motioned into it. There was a that
was a speed to the outside to the flat. You
had one coming back across in the shallow and then
one went deep deep end. And the deep end was
supposed to be like hit because of you know, the
shallow was going to draw the safety up, and it
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did drew the safety up. The outside route was open
and they went for a deep one.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
So it hit.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
Yeah, but it was an r PO, so it looked
like it was like a run from the start of
the play, right.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
He put it in there, pulled it out.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Pause, got got back, got a little step back, gave
it some space and let it go and it was there.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So there you go.
Speaker 6 (06:39):
But the basic thought is he's gonna have a much
greater learning curve for offense. And the nice thing is
is he's, like I said before, they've got Brian Thomas.
Brian Thomas is their number one wide receiver, Travis. You know,
Hunter may merge into that, but he's not going to
need to start off that way. And that's and that's okay,
there's nothing wrong with that. You know, he he can
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mix in and he can become part of that. But
they can, you know, find ways of utilizing him. Hopefully
they can disguise it, which is not easy to do
because you're gonna have to waste some players out there
with him not as the number one reader, not getting
the football, but on the field. And you know, then
on defense you can focus on him, you know, trying
to be a starter, trying to be the guy. I mean,
him him across from Tyson Campbell, Like, that's a hell
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of a duo. Like you've got, you've got two sides
locked down, and you could essentially just you know, force
the throw in the middle of the field and that
should be able to win you some football games defensively
at least mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I mean, it does make the Jaguars interesting. First time
in a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That's been definitely makes them interesting.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
So they've been just there's been nothing going there for
a long time. And so now you've got you've got
Travis Hunter there. You've got skeptics in and around the NFL,
one of those being DeVante Adams. He was on the
pivot and talking about the potential of him playing both sides,
that him being Travis Hunter. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 8 (08:00):
I don't even think it's possible to do for real,
not at a high level, and then going there. It's
hard enough to go cover a punt and then and
then be on you know, one side of you know,
and I didn't.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I haven't done it.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
I'm not acting like I'm gonna.
Speaker 9 (08:12):
Kick off for a punt.
Speaker 8 (08:14):
But I can see the dudes, and I know, you know,
you you got your guys, and you see the yardage
of my yardage over the over the game versus somebody
that starts on the offense and then plays special teams
as well, Like, that's just a lot of mileage, man,
And I don't know how long. I'm not even concerned
so much if he can do it over the course
of a game or a season. It's more like how
long is his career gonna be if he's playing that
(08:35):
many snaps, because you just all you're doing is doubling
your risk for injury one And I don't wish any
of that on him. I hope that he can play
an injury free season and go ball out, But I mean,
it's just the reality. The more you're on the field, yeah,
I mean, it's already one hundred percent injury guarantee. You know,
once you get out there playing both sides and now
you gotta tackle, you got you gotta tackle Derrick Henry
(08:57):
with that frame.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
So there's you know that earlier in the week, right.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
I mean, like his career as one or the other
is probably depending on again, the trajectory is going on.
He's easily in the double digits. He might say that
by the time he's thirty, he's eight years into it.
He might be like, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think to guys that have always played both ways,
it's like it's like the idea of if you had
multiples as kids and you never had one child, you'll
never know what it's like to have one child. And
so I feel like this is the same difference, like
that you start to transition out of what it feels
(09:42):
like to be a two way player when you go
to college more often than not, but there's there's a
few that you know that go both ways, and this
is one one of those times where the both ways
was like a really both ways and it never changed
in terms of what he did and in high school
versus what he did in college. So I think your
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body responds differently when it's already repping it out that way.
It's not like he's doing something new now. The wear
and tear, I think that's very real, and I think
that that's the one thing that exists that makes the
most sense in terms of looking at it from a
lens of concern. But to Travis Hunter, I mean, I'm
(10:25):
sure he'll tell you he'll go for as long as
he can, for as many years as he can, doing
both ways and doing it at a high level. I
don't think that while he's doing it, it's going to,
you know, take a dip. I don't think he's going
to take a dip. If he's going both ways. I
think he's going to be Travis Hunter who plays both
ways legitimately. But I do think that the biggest question
(10:48):
would be for how long? How long can he go
both ways for and be effective and be healthy. I
think that those are valid, valid points.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
It's got to be exhausting, you know, just an EXAs
Austin career that he's, uh, what.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Are you getting now?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I don't know. I just you know, it's probably gonna
need to.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Sleep well, you get what he's gonna get and need
some rea.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
Sure you have time for Jonas. Do we have time though?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Probably a blue too read in instead of hour three,
I got three hour three hour two show.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I couldn't hear you.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
You were whispering, do we got Do you have time though, Jones?
Speaker 2 (11:23):
You got time? Q? Oh?
Speaker 10 (11:25):
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Speaker 4 (11:57):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe. Here
on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox
with you coming up next. We've got a three time
Super Bowl champ in the house and he joins you
right here on FSR.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox with you here coming
up and uh we'll call it a little over twenty
minutes from now, we are going to close up shop
here with another edition of Lee's Leftovers out of yours
here on FSR. But we promised you a three time
(12:43):
Super Bowl champion, and he has arrived. We welcome in
Michael Lombardi, longtime front officeman, longtime assistant in the NFL.
You mentioned the three Super Bowl championships. He's now the
GM at North Carolina and he's the author of Football Done,
setting the record straight on the coaches, players and history
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of the NFL. Mike, thanks so much for making us
and giving us a few minutes of your time here
on this morning.
Speaker 7 (13:09):
No problem.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 7 (13:10):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
So I just want to ask you, first and foremost
when it comes to North Carolina, what was why was
this the right move for you because, look, you've had
a successful run, you've got the Super Bowl rings, you've
been had success in the media. But why was now
the time for you to get back and involved and
specifically North Carolina at the college level.
Speaker 7 (13:33):
Well, obviously, Coach Belichick and I we did a podcast
together on a TV show last year at NFL Films,
and we spent a lot of time together talking about
all things that relate to the NFL, and it always
came back to the fact that in college it's a
pro job. I mean, let's face it, the kids deserve
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to get paid. They make a lot of money for
the universities, they put the school on the map. They're
going to have a salary cap and the job is
very challenging if you're trying to manage the cap, evaluate players,
build a personnel department, and then also coach the team.
It really is a two person job. It's a one
voice job, but it's a two person job. And I
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think ultimately he and I both looked at it, and
there was a situation that came up and we both
looked at each other, that's a pro job. And I
think that just led us to North Carolina being you know,
we were here. Back in nineteen ninety two, we were
on campus, we were scouting. We were with the Browns.
He was the head coach. I was a GM, and
we walked around the campus. We were working players out
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in the area, and we want to like, why don't
they win here? This is an incredibly magical place. It's
a great school. It's not a basketball school, it's a
great school. So I think ultimately that's what transpired.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Michael, I got to ask you this though, you know,
it seems like it is a pro job.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
There's no doubt.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
It's definitely getting to where I think the NFL is now,
but it's not quite there. You know, there's not as
much structure around it. Does it feel a little bit
chaotic at times with so many moving parts and a
lot of things that are still evolving and changing. And
then the other part of that is how do you
take your expertise in what you've acquired over your time
in the NFL and apply that to being a general
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manager at the college level at its current state.
Speaker 7 (15:19):
Well, two things. Your first question to answer your first
question is it's really important that you that you understand
that we don't have a collective art and agreement and
so you can't get upset with the way the rules change.
You would like more clarity on a lot of things,
and I think there should be some form of a
collective bargain agreement. I don't think it's fair that a
kid spends you know, he signs an il deal in
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December and then enters the spring portal and takes money
from the university for three months and then transfers, you know.
I think that's kind of that's not ethical business. I
really don't. I think that's hard. I think it's not
a lesson. We want to teach our kids. So you know, now,
should you have the right to transfer, absolutely, but I
think there should be one transfer portal, but there should
be more of a unilateral and a collective way to
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where things where there's rules and we're not in the
wild wild West. To me my expertise, and I wrote
about this in my book Ridion Genius. My job here
is to build systems and processes, because without systems and processes,
you can't win, whether you're in high school, college, or
pro And so what we have to do is we
have to identify who do we want to become. We
want to be a smart tough, dependable football team at
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North Carolina. So I have to build processes and systems
that acquire players that fit the description that we're doing.
That means have a grading system, that means build a
draft board, that means recruit the players that fit our model,
scout inside out, and then evaluate the current roster to
make sure that a player gets paid the right amount
and being we don't overpay a player he's more than
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willing to transfer, and don't underpay a player because he's
going to transfer if you do that. So a lot
of moving pieces, but for the most part, it's about
getting the process in place, having a grading system. So
we're not arguing about who's a good player and who
isn't a good player. We're arguing about the description of
the player. You know, you see all these shows on
(17:11):
TV they argue, who's a good player. Well, let's take
Michael Parsons, right, Michael Parsons describe him, and that description
tells you what he should make based on the current
salary structure of the people in the league. So obviously
he's as good as TJ. Watt. He's the highest paid player.
So Jerry's job is to try to find a way
to get him a little bit above TJ, and mackais
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option is to get a lot above TJ. So there
lives to dispute.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
It's an interesting point. And for you being at the
college level, mas LeVar, by the way, great to hear
your voice and great.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Great, thank you.
Speaker 7 (17:49):
Nice to talk to you.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Absolutely, I'm just curious and the things that you're saying
in the current space that you're in. You write the book,
which I think it makes a ton of sense football
done right, because there is a lot of it done
wrong and people may not realize that, but it is
is this for you the ability to be able to
(18:12):
do R and D like to figure out what works
best and how does that apply from you know, college students,
because there still has to be the student aspect, the
go to school and get good grades to aspect of
it for where you guys are at.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
But how does that compare or how does what you're.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Preaching and putting in your book apply to college and
pro or does it apply to both or just one
in particular.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
Well, when you get paid right, LaVar, you become a professional.
And so our job here at North Carolina is to
teach these kids what it means to be a professional right.
Amateurs blame others, Professionals accept responsibility. Amateurs focus on the
short term, Professionals focus on the long term. Amateurs show
up the practice to have fun. Professionals realize what happens
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in practice happens in the game. So there's so much
difference between an amateur and a pro, and it's our
job to teach them that, because if you're going to
take a check and you're going to be held accountable,
you just know, you know, we're not just hoping you
go play the slots at the casino and we'll comp
you for room, food and beverage and make money off
your gambling habits. That's not what we're doing here. We're
running a business and you've accepted it as a business
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because you're taking a check. So our delivery is very
much professional. We call ourselves the thirty thirteen not because
we want to compete in the NFL, but because of
the professional lessons that we're going to teach him. What's
the first thing I tell every player that walks into
my office, I tell them, what are you going to
do when you sign your letter of intent to come
to school here? They said, well, I'm going to buy books, No,
you're not. What am I going to do with the
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first thing, there's change your cell phone number, because everybody's
gonna want tickets, everybody's gonna want gear, everybody's going to
want something from you. But you're a professional now, and
tickets cost money, and gear costs money, and you can
control who's in your life and who's not in your
life life, And so for me, that's the lesson we're
trying to teach the kids here. You know about that
(20:05):
when we were in New England. You know, at the
first rookie meeting, we had Verizon at and T we
had you know, all the T mobile We had them
all waiting outside there so the kids could understand, Hey,
you're pro now, and pros control who comes in their lives.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox Sports Radio. Mike,
before we let you go, you had a successful run
with the first book, Gridiron Genius. What motivated you to
write the next one, Football Done Right, which is now
on paperback here soon.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
Well, what motivated me was the injustices that happened in
the league, the inconsistency. George Allen went to one Super
Bowl and lost. He won seventy percent of his game
season the Hall of Fame. I don't dispute that Marty
Schottenheimer won two hundred games in his career. He's one
of nine human beings on planet Earth that has ever
done that that's called themselves the head coach. He can't
get into the Hall of Fame. Well, they say, well,
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he never won a Super Bowl. Either did Marv Levy,
either did Bud Grant. The inconsistent in the voting. I mean,
I wrote the book under the pretense why it was
Sterling Sharp not in the Hall of Fame. Two years
later he got in the Hall of Fame. But there's
so many players that are overlooked in that area. And
I think, to me, especially in the coaching venue. You know,
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it's a political it's a political event. It's not based
on merit. Why did it take so long for Charles
Haley to get into the Hall of Fame. It's ridiculous, right,
Charles Haley's one of the best players in the National
Football League. It took him forever to get in the
Hall of Fame. Well, he wasn't popular with the media,
and I think you need to take that out of it.
You know, I think it's an injustice that Clark Shaughnessy,
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the man who invented the forward pass. He invented the
forward pass. When I used to get on the team
bus in San Francisco, Bill Walsh would be dudling Clark
Shaughnessy's plays. He's in the College Hall of Fame, but
he can't get in the pro he invented the pass.
You know, there's just these kind of things. No one's
paying attention to it. And the purpose of the book was,
you know, Larry David on his show Curby Your Enthusiasm
(21:59):
he called the g that sits in the middle of
a dinner party table the middler, the st conversation. That's
what I was trying to do with this book is
stir conversation.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Michael Lombardi awesome. You can get him on x at
m Lombardi U NCGM. Congrats on the new gig, can't
wait to watch. It's gonna be fascinating. Congrats on the
second book and let's do it again soon.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Guys.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
There he is, Michael Lombardi with us here on Fox
Sports Radio. The more we get closer to Belichick, Lombardi
at North Carolina.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Must see t the more I'm fascinated by its. See,
you can't wait to see how this is going to work.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Listening to by the way, I mean, everyone who surrounds
Bill Belichick, or I should say who he surrounds himself with,
is super sharp. I mean, that's the one thing I
would say, just from all the coaches that I played
for that were assistants under Bill Belichick and coordinators and
became head coaches, they're super sharp and they all have
they know football. And so if you look at like
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all those coaches and you go, well, why did they
have more success or why don't Moore win Super Bowls?
It's it's hard, man. You just listen to Michael Lombardi
tell you about a guy like Marty Schottenheimer who won
two hundred games, who was an incredibly successful coach that
didn't win a Super Bowl. But grant, there's there's others
who have been legends of the game, and that it
doesn't always equates always working out that way because there's
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a lot of factors that play a role. But I
love hearing about the history of it. I love, you know,
because I mean football it's all you know, copycat. You know,
guys kind of rinse repeat, you know, some of the
stuff that's been going on for a long time.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I will say this, new Rockney may have.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
An issue with his claim on who created the forward pass?
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Oh yeah, can do?
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I do think new Rockney at one point was credited
in creating the forward pass. So I'll have to help
to look that up.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I mean, there's only one way to get to the
answer here, great or Lee Lee? Yeah, I'll take Lee
over grock any day of the week. It way more entertaining.
All right, Lee, who created the forward pass?
Speaker 7 (24:00):
Right?
Speaker 4 (24:00):
So we can get to the bottom of this stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
This is important.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
It is true though, there's so many variables and so
many things that need to happen right for you to
win a Super Bowl, And once you win that Super Bowl,
the way your career is viewed is completely different. And look,
it definitely is worth something. But man, I mean, like
Matt Ryan, Matt Ryan's probably there's probably a discussion being
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had for him being a Hall of Famer. If they
could hold onto a lead, or you know, if they
chose to run the ball a couple more times, or
if one of those two point conversions that the Patriots
converted on late in that game. They don't convert on
Matt Ryan. All of a sudden, we're talking about him
being a Hall of Famer. With a Super Bowl ring
(24:45):
and a win over Tom Brady just changes you the
course of your entire career.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Yeah, I mean, look, and those are nuanced conversations, right.
You know, he's playing with another Hall of Famer in
Julio Jones. But it's incredible to think how it is
media driven. Like we're talking about that subject right now,
But if you ask other people who played with them,
you know, people like will come up to bat form
and say, no, he should be a Hall of Famer.
I mean Philip Rivers, another guy who didn't win a
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Super Bowl, was incredibly successful and prolific of the course
of his career and a player that when you talk
to guys who are like, no, he should be a
Hall of Famer, there's people who feel that way. So look,
fans have their opinion, media has got their own opinion
on it. But the fact that it is the way
it is sometimes where guys have to wait, who shouldn't
That's what's frustrating.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
I don't know, man, I'm curious to see how it
all plays out and to see what we're talking about
legacies and how people are viewed and being one win
or wins away from being viewed a certain type of way.
What will the aftermath of this experiment project with you
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and c with Belichick, with Lombardi coming to college with
a sense of, as he said in himself, teaching these
young guys how to be professionals from day one?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Did you like that?
Speaker 6 (26:05):
By the way, I actually loved to just say, because
you're like it kind.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Of makes sense, and it makes sense in a lot
of ways. My biggest question is, with so many different backgrounds,
so many different motivations, how are you able to get
those lessons across with some seventeen, eighteen year old, nineteen
(26:30):
year old, you know, twenty year old, you know, young
young dudes. There are so many different things that their
minds are on and and it's just it it sounds
good in theory.
Speaker 6 (26:43):
Well, I think there's some common ground there.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
You would see if you've ever coached and you've been
around these kids on an everyday basis, It is definitely
very Uh, it's it's a challenge.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I'll say that there's some common ground.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I heard the setup, go ahead, finish it. No I'm
just finish the finish the setup. What they're interested in.
At that age, you know some young coach, same age
and they go out on double dates. I mean, you
are a funny dude, because it did. I heard you,
but it didn't click in. I was waiting for the punchline.
And then I really thought about what you said.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
And if you don't think you're not gonna run into
Bill Belichick at the hot spot there in Chapel Hill,
all right, whatever restaurant.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
That is on a date night, you're a dead rock.
That's relatable. I mean, they are relatable. Damn.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I mean, don't you respect him more as a talent
evaluator based on this offseason?
Speaker 2 (27:36):
That's what I do.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I bet you those kids are going to play harder.
I bet you they're gonna play harder for a coach
that they know will date a woman.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
That looks like that at that age.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
I bet you they play harder because the respect factor
is going to be different up till you he's playing
in our pool.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
I feel like, in all seriousness, I did.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
This, you did? Do you did? Does all right?
Speaker 6 (28:08):
Good? I do feel like this is going to work.
I mean, there's a there's a number of things that
line up for U and C to be successful. Outside
of Clemson, clem is gonna be really good this year.
There's not really another team that makes you go okay,
like Miami could be really good, which weird stat this is.
This is actually amazing. By the way, do you guys
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know Miami in their first I want to say, it's
like six or seven games, they played one away game
before November. Really the season starts for them with August
thirty first, that Sunday Night versus Notre Dame. They will
play in the state of Florida all right the entire
time until November, so they're basically playing I think it's
(28:53):
like six home games and one away game. Uh maybe
they play what at Florida Stairs someone they play someone
else else on the road, but in Florida, everywhere else
is at home. It is the most stacked schedule I
have ever seen.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Oh yeah, Florida, Florida at Florida State.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Jesus, it's everything's at everything's in Miami besides the Florida
State game. And then they finally go on the road in.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
November, and they're going to start off the year oh
and one.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
So they got to make up for that's right, how
about them apples top But anyway, Miami's schedule sets up
well for them, with the exception of having to get
drum by Notre Dame week one, Clemson won't be good.
But outside of that, you're going all right. Like Florida
State's kind of down, so you and seek it easily,
flip the script on. A lot of people will become
that team no one's talking about. And I think a
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lot of the things they're doing, you know, bringing more
of a pro style model. You hear about some of
the parents who want their son to you know, play
for Bill Belichick and have that all that NFL experience.
It's real. I mean, Michael, the whole cell phone thing
just kind of tickles me because it's just it's one
of those little quirks that you when you sit and
think about it, you go, that's a powerful message to
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tell to a young person who's got money and now
fame at a really young age. Is you now control
who's in your life? And I understand your point of like, hey,
it's not that easy, which, by the way, it's I
don't care if you're black, white, Hispanic, whatever, Like what yep,
I'm just saying everyone deals with that like taking care
(30:23):
of the family, taking care of the boys, taking care
of whatever it is, you know, whatever you want to
describe it like, there's all elements of that once you
get money and once you make it. So it's a
powerful message to me because I think it resonates with
like anyone at that stage of life who's eighteen years
old as all of a sudden making hundreds of thousands
of dollars, maybe even depending on who they are, a
(30:43):
million or more, and then being able to understand how
you get to deal with that. You know, that's a
tough thing to deal with at eighteen years old.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Lee, Do we have an answer on who created the
forward pass?
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah, Well, the.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
University of North Carolina likes to say that they invented
the forward pass, which might you know, some people might
say is the case because they did it in eighteen
ninety five against the University of Georgia. It wasn't legal
until nineteen oh six, and so it was credited to
coach of Saint Louis University Eddie Coacherns, the father of
the forward pass, Bradbury Robinson. Bradberry Robinson threw that first
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pass under those rules, it wasn't incomplete and therefore resulted
in a turnover. He did later throw a twenty yard
touchdown in that season. But yeah, his coach, Eddie Coacherns
is considered the father of.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
The forward pass.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
Okay, so I'm seeing John Heisman is the renowned coach
is most closely associated with the development of it because
he's the one who helped advocate and really pushed it
a legalized and then nineteen oh six rules committee. That's
what I was able to find.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Lee.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Uh yeah, sorry, uh yeah, well radio you huh well, no, figure,
you know, they can't see you, like.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Look, yeah, say something.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
They can't see the hour glass sy to process.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Hailee respond a little bit quicker than that.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
But you are the grock for people driving.
Speaker 9 (32:08):
I stand No, I agree that John Heisman, the namesake
of the Heisman, wrote thirty years later that he believes
that the tar heels gave for to the forward pass. Again,
it wasn't legal until nineteen oh six. I'm just telling
you what.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Who you're telling us what crock you found on rock?
Speaker 9 (32:23):
No, I'm telling you what. Uh So, there's many historians
who say that Eddie Coachurns was to the forward pass
with the right brothers word of aviation, and what Thomas
Edison was to the electrics all right, to electric.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
Staff again cross right, chat GBT perplexity. What do you
usually Gemini?
Speaker 7 (32:40):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (32:40):
Use Wikipedia of course.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
Yeah, well if you used Google, you used Gemini more like.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
More like lead to fact. He knows this stuff, that's right.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Oh my gosh, Please Alee.
Speaker 6 (32:55):
What was the email I sent you last night? You
completely left out for the Michael Lobardi interview what his
current title is? Of all the things you just sent
over to promote.
Speaker 9 (33:07):
I forget what you said. I remember you called me
lead a drunk? But uh and then I basically stopped
stop reading what you have to write.
Speaker 6 (33:16):
Because I said he's the current general manager at North Carolina,
which you did not include the email.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
Yes, I did, current GM of U n C. It's
right there on the on the rundown.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
The first thing on the rundown on the email.
Speaker 9 (33:26):
The email I sent you was about the book. Obviously
we know we're going to talk about you, Lee.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
What did he call what did Brady call you.
Speaker 6 (33:33):
Lead a drunk?
Speaker 9 (33:36):
And then I stopped reading.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
It's really good. It's really good.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Yeah, because it's so unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (33:42):
I mean, I think without saying that we were going
to sending you information of things that you didn't drunk.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
That's a T shirt. I got to change that on
the zoom lead the lead.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So what so if he leads with the drunk, you're out?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Fire, Okay, I knew.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
But I said, don't get sensitive because I'm not sensing
all the time. It's fine.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
I'm not too sensitive about it. I'm just saying I
didn't know that he's the current GM.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
Of UNC's Barney from The Simpsons. You're fine.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Ah, oh no, damn, oh no, all right, what the
hell happened here?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Well, it is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
here on Fox Sports Radio going on, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn,
Jonas Knox with you coming up next. So we are
going to close up shop with another edition of Lee's
Leftovers right here at FSR Two Pros.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
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(35:07):
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Speaker 3 (35:24):
Please might smell.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
A little fun.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
How that sounds incredible?
Speaker 3 (35:27):
But they're still good. Time to find out what Slack's
Lee's laphos?
Speaker 4 (35:34):
All right, d lap, what do we got?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
All right?
Speaker 6 (35:35):
Guys?
Speaker 9 (35:36):
Yesterday was mister Hulk Hogan's memorial service, star studed event.
Many people came to show their respects. Of course we've
talked about this before. I believe that the one person
who didn't show was his daughter Brooke. She decided to
honor her father the best way. She thought was privately
on a beach, which is where he liked to hang out.
She hung out there with her twins. She also famously
(35:58):
has taken herself out of his will. So yeah, rip
to mister Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Like an upbeat story to start off Lee's left over.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yeah there you go.
Speaker 9 (36:08):
Yeah, yeah, I got a lot of sad ones here
for you today.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
How about this?
Speaker 9 (36:11):
Howard Stern is one hundred million dollar contract famously signed.
It's probably no longer going to be happening in Too
Serious XM has reportedly grown tired of that salary. They
will offer him a contract that they expect him to reject.
So after twenty years on that at Serious XM, he
will likely be done at the end of his contract.
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Can I say this without it being controversial him getting
paid as much as he did. I understand the economics
of it because he brought over so many subscribers who
signed up Too Serious for that show. But you gotta
feel lucky man, just for getting paid what he was
getting paid to talk. Oh god, you know what I'm saying, Like,
my god, dude, like you wouldn't do that for less?
(36:53):
Like what just because he's got his standard of what
he's been paid like he should feel extremely fortunate and
blessed for what he's been able to do for as
long as he's been able to do it.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
He was definitely a trailblazer.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
He was you know, yeah, what was that movie?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
He made? Private? Part of it? Parts? That was it? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (37:13):
That was interesting that.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
Yeah, I mean he broke down a lot of barriers.
He challenged a lot of things on on on radio.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
It's funny.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
We actually watched that movie in college for radio, just
so that we know what he did. Did they show
all the scenes?
Speaker 7 (37:31):
Oh?
Speaker 9 (37:31):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
Okay, bring that speaker right over here.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yeah, you ain't lying?
Speaker 4 (37:39):
What else?
Speaker 9 (37:40):
Yeah, guys, some stuff for you to watch this in
the next couple of days. King of the Hill has
come back and return. I don't know if you guys
were fans of King of the Hill back of the day.
I'm about halfway through the season.
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Is that the show with the guy who's got no ass?
Speaker 9 (37:55):
He has a narrow urethra I knew me a beer?
What he famously? Well, of course, King Uh, that's kind
of hill. He sells propane and propane accessories. If you
watch the show, famously has a narrow Urethra. And if
you watch this new season, well it opens up with reminding,
opens up with a narrow urethra.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (38:17):
Yeah, he's coming back from Saudi Arabia and is on
the takes the whole flight to try.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
To use the restaurant. Okay, very interesting. It's a great show.
That's funny to you.
Speaker 9 (38:26):
I didn't quite I didn't quite appreciate it when I
was younger, But no, no, I love it. I'm excited
to see Bobby twenty one year old Bobby.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
That's right, Bobby Hill.
Speaker 5 (38:38):
I don't think it's going to hit the same There's
no way it's going to hit the same.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
Did you guys see that that Peyton Manning is producing
a show on.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
What is it with.
Speaker 5 (38:51):
The the Mountains and stuff like that? Paramount Paramount? I
believe it's going to be on for hip hop. I
was like, where he come for the history of hip hop?
Speaker 7 (39:04):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (39:04):
Yeah, I had no idea you're going in the mount
It was like the mountains, the Mountain, you know, isn't
that Paramount? Yeah, you're right, right, I just.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I remember.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
I just saw Peyton Manning on on camera just now
and Lee was talking about some some weird like Narrow
Urethra type stuff.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
I just I tuned out. I tuned out and I
saw Peyton.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
I was like, oh, by the way, and you had
no thank you for tuning in, which I think, yeah, right,
I think that's really cool, like Peyton Manning doing the
history of hip hop like up top.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
In one segment we got Paul Cogan's death and Narrow
Urethra and Peyton Manning working on hip hop, fucking that trees.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
All right, which one of those was about sports.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
That's all sports related.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Right till you finish the show, that's right.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Dang these leftovers. Tavy Day draw the droop, he drow
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