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Can Mahomes ever catch Tom Brady as the GOAT? The Old P, Petros Papadakis joins the guys after being robbed on vacation. Plus, Lee’s Leftovers.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Lavarrington, I guess this song is more relevant in this
hour after the last hour conversation.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Huh, that's just disgusting.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
I wonder if sir mix a lot thought about if
the ass stink when he was talking about the big
old booty so gross.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
I had no idea.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I didn't know that that came with side effects like
that that you gus.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
The first I heard of it, I thought it was
like a joke. But now that y'all have talked about
it a little bit more in depth, I'm quite mortified
and uh repulsed.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Yeah, Lorena for the for the new audience and maybe
joining us just now, can you please quickly reset what
you told us.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
At the end of the last break when it reset it right.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Stefan Diggs and Cardi B's relationship, yes.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yes, it seems to have fizzled out over the weekend.
There have been rumors of a split and the biggest
rumor that has been addressed with it is that the
reason was is that Cardi's BBL stank and a reason
that a BBL could stink is due to faulty surgery
aka botch surgery. It can make your butt smell.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
But so for those of you interested, it.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Makes the meat underneath die and cause a foul rotting smell.
Anyone want breakfast?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Yeah, it's yes.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
For those of you wondering, ow, that's Brazilian butt lift.
That's what Stefan Diggs. Stefan, he's got a season coming allegedly,
and uh, you know, the New England Patriots have got themselves.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
That was about ruining somebody's public image.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Though you know, I'll say this, if.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Whoever put that rumor out there, they had diabolical They
had diabolical movement in their mind when they came out
and let that come out their mouth.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
That's the reason.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Why, I mean, because she's basically got what they're telling
you she's got spam for a back porch, which is
just not nice at all.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
With some mustard sardine. By the way, you do think
about burning a bridge, you know, think about this across
that one.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
Hey, if the Chiefs can have Taylor Swift, why can't
the Patriots have Cardi.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
B That's what it looked like it was shaping up
to be.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Let's make this happen.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I mean, the Cats rented a castle. They were in
a asshole hanging out.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
They were it was a fairtail.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
They were on the boat with or with like the
pink stuff and having a good ass time. They were
on the sideline that knicks games. And then you're telling
me it took this long for you to make Did
it take this long for him to get in her pants?

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Is that why?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
It's the first time he's why is this information just
now surfacing?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Man?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
That's one of my favorite off season storylines was the
s S two.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
C and uh and and he was on board there.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
So that's that's too bad. I hope they can work
this out, man. I mean, you know, wear a gas
mask if if you know she changes in front of
you or something. If that's the case, I'm.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Just trying to understand, like, like this just came out.
You're trying to tell me, for the amount of time
that they were hanging out together, this is the first
time you got an opportunity to be exposed to that,
Like what was going on for you to not be
exposed to that?

Speaker 1 (03:56):
The season man's getting ready for the seat, he's got
to learn the offense there, he's got to catch passes
from Drake May Maybe he was.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You know, I just feel like it comes across to
me is Cardi B made him wait for the action
the action finally took place, and then and then Stefan
Diggs understood why the action took so long, and it
was like, you know how it's like you hope that

(04:24):
you've built a good enough emotional connection with somebody that
it overcomes anything else, including like the physical aspect of
a relationship. It's like, yeah, I know you don't like
it this way or like me that way or this
that and the other, but aren't we really great friends,
Like don't we have a really really cool rapport with
one another? Like can't we talk through this as friends

(04:47):
and get through it?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
You know?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Like maybe that's what it was, Yeah, because it just
seems like this was so abrupt it came out of nowhere.
Stefan Diggs looks the part like he looks like he's
he's getting ready for the season. He he looks like
he's poised and has been working really hard. And Cardi
B was a very very added large asset to the

(05:10):
brand build out of his persona, and you know what
he's got going on, and then boom gone because ther
butt stink like. That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
It's yeah, it's crazy. It's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I was, I was.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
I wanted to see the I wanted the optics of
Cardi B in a press box next to Bob Kraft.
That's what I wanted at a game. And unfortunately, maybe
now we're not going to get to see that. So
it's too bad. But it is two pros and a
cup of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox with you.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Here is a stone ring hand another uh, another edition
of black like he Stink Too, by the way of
Black and Rack here on this Wednesday morning.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Now we were having the conversation. Uh, there was some
comments made about Patrick Mahomes a little bit of a
little bit of fat shaming if you will, from a gentleman,
Kevin Keatsman. He has his own podcast, and he complained
about Patrick Mahomes' body on vacation and all that. Patrick

(06:20):
Mahomes recently though, did say and have a discussion about
Tom Brady and sort of the influence and relationship that
he and Tom Brady have, and so Mahomes obviously speaking
with Kay Adams on another edition of Up and Adams recently,
he talked about a myriad of things. He talked about
the offense getting better. He talked about them being hungry

(06:42):
again following what happened last year to where they weren't
really able to play as freely as they were trying
to or as freely as they wanted to based on
trying to go for that third Super Bowl win and
chase history. And it did look like they were a
little bit worn out. It looked like they were a
little bit fatigued. And then he'd discussed how Tom Brady
was added into the mix during his offseason, not anywhere

(07:05):
close to what Stefan Diggs was doing, but Tom Brady
gave him advice that definitely didn't stink.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
He always talks about being yourself. He thinks that, which
I truly believe too, is that guys can spot when
you're not authentic and you're not putting in the work.
And that's something that he did every single dance. Why
guys respected him so much. And that's all I'm going
to do for the rest of my career. And I
feel like I've done so far as I'm always myself
no matter if you like me or if you don't
like me, you know that I'm giving everything I can
to win the football game.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
So that was Patrick Mahomes talking about Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
It sounds like quite the contrary though, of his approach
and how he views himself in comparison to Tom Brady
to what this dude is trying to say about the
way he looks or the way he's built.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
You know, I was thinking about this because one of
the tired discussions in the world of sports that just
people just go back to. It's you know, it's like,
is Diehard a Christmas movie?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
You know?

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame? Like
there's these standard go tos, and it's the Jordan versus
Lebron debate that's like the go to. And I was
thinking about this, if you're Tom Brady, because I think
Lebron has made this point to where he and Michael
Jordan don't really have a relationship, but it might be
something that happens after his career is over. If you're

(08:19):
Tom Brady, you've got no issue with having a relationship
with Patrick Mahomes. You don't feel threatened, you're not concerned
because unlike Jordan versus Lebron, we've seen that play out
multiple times before, and Tom Brady got him in an
AFC title game and he beat him in a Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
It's over.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Like you will not have a Jordan versus Lebron debate
of whether Patrick Mahomes goes on to win three more
Super Bowls and this and that, because we've seen it
head to head. You're never gonna get that in the
NFL when it comes to these two guys. So the
fact that they do talk, they do communicate, there's no
real rivalry at this point is probably because Tom Brady's like, dude,

(09:02):
I beat this guy. Beat him twice. I beat him
on two different teams. I beat him on the road
in overtime at Kansas City, and then I beat him
in a Super Bowl when I was with the Bucks.
This like, this conversation, this debate, if anybody wants to
go down that road, ain't happening. Because we played it
out on the field twice in two of the biggest
games that you can play in, and I won both

(09:23):
of those.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
You'll have no Jordan versus bron debate with these two.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
You know, I don't like turning our conversations and our
discussions into debates. You know that I'm not a I
don't like that. I like more so just giving your opinions.
But I gotta say I disagree with that, and.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
You don't want this smoke.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Right now with it.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
And the reason why I disagree with that is because,
I mean, if you think about a guy like Isaiah
Thomas and and his his heyday and in the earlier
days of Michael Jordan, he was you know, he was
beating Michael Jordan, and he was getting championships. I mean,

(10:14):
you gotta think he is a two time NBA champion,
and you know, Michael Jordan had to deal with the
fact that it was the Pistons that he couldn't get
past early on in his career. The reason why I
think that it actually plays a part in the conversation
of comparison of greatness with Patrick Mahomes is because he

(10:38):
did play against He did play against the goat and
Tom Brady. If you think about it, if you look
at what tom Brady had to do, I mean he
had to go through Peyton Manning. And there's a lot
of conversations in terms of like their head, the heads
and different things like that. How did that dictate you know,

(11:03):
how we view them in terms of the greats of
all time. Well, it's the rings, it's the ring debate,
and it's the ring conversation. And that's why I think
when you hear Patrick Mahomes bring up a Tom Brady
and the advice when you hear somebody, you know, be
critical of what Patrick Mahomes' body looks like. They don't

(11:25):
understand what's going on. We had the conversation not too
long ago about ring chasing, and while we said that
Lebron James is a ring chaser, which is the craziest
thing to me. Everybody should be a ring chaser. You
should be playing the game to get a ring, which
means that your team was the best team in the league,
which gives you the opportunity to be looked at in

(11:47):
a way of being a champion. So there should be
the chase for rings. For Patrick Mahomes, his ring chasing
is in the same place. He's not chasing the ring
by going to this team, this team, this team, this team.
He is building that ring count in Kansas City. He's
already got three, He's made what five appearances? Is it

(12:11):
five or four?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
I think he's lost two?

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Right, yeah, yeah, he's lost two. He's already right there.
What Tom's got six?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Lost?

Speaker 3 (12:21):
What?

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Ten?

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I believe he lost?

Speaker 4 (12:25):
I think did he lose three?

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Lost two to the Giants and one of the Eagles? Yes,
so three, so it's three and he's got what six
of them? Seven? Yeah, so this is ten, it's ten. Yeah,
he's got four more to go. And if he doesn't,
if he doesn't lose, he could potentially get more Super
Bowl rings or the same amount with the with least

(12:51):
amount of losses in the Super Bowl. Well, I mean,
right now, he's at two. He's got two losses in
the Super Bowl, right, two?

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, and one of those came to Brady.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Tom Brady, and I get that. I get that. But
with that being said, if his greatness continues on the
trajectory that it's on, and he gets actually just as many,
if not more rings than Tom Brady. It doesn't matter.
You can't say, oh, well tom Brady beat him head
to head, Well he was younger. That was a younger

(13:20):
Patrick Mahomes that led his team. I mean, hey, you
could say he was the head to head.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
But Floyd beat Canelo when he was younger. Strategic, you know,
you gotta use and Foy.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Went and Floyd went undefeated. Floyd waited Canelo Canelo, Canelo
lost to Floyd and and and you could say Canello
lost the triple G like you know, they called him
drawls and stuff like that, but he he couldn't figure
out triple G. So to me, when I look at

(13:55):
Patrick Mahomes, I think the landscape is actually set up
in favor for him at this point to only be
he's the only possible candidate to actually supplant Tom Brady
from being the goat of goats.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
And that's that's why I got me thinking, because I
was looking at the situation, I'm like, no, I've seen it.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I saw it twice. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
He could finish with the same number of Super Bowls.
He could finish with one more than Brady. And I
will still say Tom Brady was better than him because
I saw them play twice. I saw Tom Brady have
to go through Mahomes to get to one super Bowl
and win it, and I saw him go through Mahomes
to get another Super Bowl ring in Tampa. I've just
I've seen it. And that's the difference because with the
Jordan Lebron debate, you're never gonna see it. It's just

(14:43):
gonna be however you feel against each other.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
But they not in the championship round, but they played
against each other. Yeah, But I just don't think it's
fair what you're doing. I don't think it's fair. It's
fair to Patrick Mahomes for the simple fact that he's
having as brilliant a career as you could possibly have,
and if he were to how many MVPs did Tom

(15:09):
Brady get?

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Like?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Are we taking other other aspects of this into consideration?
You know what did Brady get?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
Did he get four? Four MVPs?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Let's look it up.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Can you fact? I want to say, did he get
four MVPs?

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Rods got three? He's got, he's got three Super Bowl MVPs.
He's got, He's got three MVPs. Patrick Mahomes is one
shy of his MVPs already. He's one shy and you
got to assume he's going to get it at least
one to two more times. I'm just trying to get
it in.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Hey, there he is.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I just I believe. I believe that Patrick Mahomes is
the one player that you could say, which is crazy
because when when Joe Montana was doing what he was doing,
people said it was a rap. There is no possible
way that an NFL player will come along and be

(16:13):
able to do the things that Joe Montana did. Joe
Montana was the gold standard. He was the measuring stick,
and he was the end all, be all, say all.
To be in the greatest football player of all time
four and now and now, to think, to think, and
if you're older, you realize that that is it was

(16:37):
unbelievable to start having the conversations that Tom Brady could
actually play long enough and well enough to be able
to be in the conversation as better or greater than
Joe Montana, and it happened. I think that's the beauty
of sports is you generally don't know where that person

(17:00):
may come from But in some cases they do emerge
because you have lightning in the bottle. You caught the
tiger by the tail. It takes having the proper situation.
Organizationally speaking, how is your GM doing. What type of
head coach do you have, What type of offensive coordinator

(17:21):
do you have? What type of defensive coordinator do you have?
If you look at what Brady did in that game
against the Kansas City Chiefs that they won the Super Bowl,
it was not Tom Brady versus Patrick Mahomes. It was
Tom Brady versus a Kansas City defense that did pretty

(17:43):
dag on good against them. It was a Tampa Bay
rush pass rush that totally disrupted and destroyed any timing
or anything that was going on offensively with the Kansas
City Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
The Chiefs ow line was I mean they It was.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Not like Tom Brady went in there and just was
lights out and it was like he's putting on a clinic.
They made school the Kansas City Chiefs. It was their defense,
the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (18:11):
The Chiefs made wholesale changes at the offensive line following
that Super Bowl, which is why what after then they
won a Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Okay, yeah, but I'm telling you.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Man, I'd expect them to do it again this year.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
If you And that's what makes it so fascinating this
year when he's talking about you know, you know, speaking
to Tom Brady and all this stuff and talking about how,
you know, how they're feeling going into this year as
opposed to last year, You're just going to get a
red ass pressure free Kansas City Chiefs going into this year.
That's all you're getting because last year it was like

(18:44):
we're chasing history, we're doing this, and now they've got
everybody thinking the Eagles put you in a clown suit.
That game was a wipeout from the get go, and
you would assume offensively they'd be better than they were
last year. So yeah, I think they're going to come back.
They're going to be more motivated. But if you just
take a step back and look at the careers of

(19:05):
Mahomes and Brady, I just think you're never going to
have that Jordan Lebron debate. For me, it's over, and
it's over because.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
You've got to give it time. You gotta give it
time because his trajectory, he has not slowed down on
his climb. You just got to give it time. I'm
just telling you, and I don't think that the head
the head disqualifies Patrick Mahomes from putting himself in position
to become the greatest quarterback of all time. I just

(19:33):
don't see it.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Well, I do know this.

Speaker 1 (19:35):
It is two pros and a cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio. And that is how you vamp
waiting for Petros to come on, and that's how you
do it.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
That's how you do it. Take a battle bar. We
did it, nice little debate. How about that I.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Forgot, I forgot, I forgot. You know, we got People
don't realize we get on the phone and we'll talk
for about forty to fifty minutes on the phone. I
think what people have to understand is the cool thing
about our show is we're just talking to one another,
you know, like that's like this is the same conversation

(20:11):
we would have off air. So it's not like it's
not trying to figure out how to I mean, it
might be a little bit more controversial, it might might
be a little bit more provocative. I mean, if we
were able to be as provocative as we want to be,
we'd have one of the highest rated shows because it
would be so relatable to two people, you know, but

(20:33):
we can't can't do that on air. We got we
got to censor it just a little bit. Yeah well,
I mean even Lee and Lorain as part of the conversations.
I mean, cats would be throwed off listening to some
of the things that we talk about, you know, but
they would enjoy it. Yeah. Well, I know there's a
great segment. Jonas like, I'm proud of you man, Like,
you know, don't worry Petros, you know, it's it's all good.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
It's early.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
He's going to be joining us here coming up next.
So huh so we'll hear from our Wednesday tradition. Petros
Papadakas here on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
He joined you next here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 7 (21:09):
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Speaker 1 (22:05):
It's two pros and a cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. Coming up in
a little over fifteen minutes from now, we are going
to close up shop with another edition of Lee's Leftovers.
But right now we turn it over to the man himself,
the one and only Petros Papadakas, the co host of
the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on
the blowtorch Am five seventy LA Sports Fox College football

(22:27):
analysts get him on X at the old p Petros.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Good morning, how are we feeling?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Good morning? Sorry about that.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
I've been on vacation and uh obviously a little slow
to get back to the real world, but I'm back
at work today.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
No, you're good.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Don't right now?

Speaker 4 (22:43):
How was how is Vaca? Cause you're you don't really robbed?
You don't.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
You don't really like I stole my wallet out of
my car?

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Oh you were literally robbed?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Yes, that was robbed, credit cards and stuff like that.

Speaker 8 (22:58):
Damn well, I'm allways robbed of my happiness by my family,
but other than that, this time I was really robbed me.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Because I've talked to you before about it and you
don't really like traveling, you don't.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
No, No, I just drove to San Diego though, it's
no big deal.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, well did they get your real ID?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yeah? Well I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
No, I mean, even if I have, I'm just cure
you didn't go get your real ID yet.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
I don't know. I went to the DMV a couple
of years back, but probably not.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
A real ID has like a little beer on it
or something like that. For California.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
Well, I got to get it canceled either way. So yeah, no,
I got robbed you though. But now I'm back. I'm
back in the city and I'm ready to work today.

Speaker 4 (23:44):
So it's good man, just in time.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Dodgers haven't returned.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
I'm gonna say, just in time for the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
How many straight is that? Is that? Five straight? They've
lost five straight?

Speaker 8 (23:56):
Yeah, they got swept by Hugh Stone who came in
and put it on him. And then yesterday they only
scored one run. Oh Tawi had a home run. But
they lost in Milwaukee, and they lost a game one
in Milwaukee.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
So today is the getaway day. It's an early game in.

Speaker 8 (24:13):
Milwaukee, and they stopped hitting, you know they they sure
every once in a while a pitcher goes up there
and gets his boobs ripped off, but for the most part,
it's it's you never heard that term before. No, I
never learned that term, but that was that was a
I never knew that term either, but it was a bait.

(24:34):
I lived with baseball players when I was first at
USC because I was ineligible from a transfer and I
was white, so I didn't really know anybody on the team.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Wait, you're white.

Speaker 8 (24:44):
Yeah, I know, it's crazy that That's what Jim Harbaughs
sounded exactly like when I told him Toby Gerhart was white.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Right when he got the Stanford job.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
Wait, wait, why Gerhart's white?

Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yep, that's what he said, Man, I was today years old.
When I knew Man, I thought he was light skinned.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
That's a true story, though, I mean I was.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
Well, first, let's unpack this first many many years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I was.

Speaker 8 (25:12):
The USC analyst on the local back when we really
used to do local sports cable TV, like local programming
at night, local programming all the time.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
They don't do it anymore.

Speaker 8 (25:23):
But USC was about to play Michigan in a Rose Bowl.
Pete Carroll would have been the head coach. So it's
probably like going into two thousand, going into the two
thousand and five season.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
This is the end of the.

Speaker 8 (25:38):
Two thousand and four season, so I think US he's
playing Michigan in a Rose Bowl. So Jim Harbaugh, who
just took the Stanford job from USD, was hired to
be the Michigan analyst guy, and I was.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
The USC analyst guy.

Speaker 8 (25:57):
So I just sat up there with Harbaugh and he
had just gotten the job, like two days before, had
accepted the Stanford job. And I remember sitting in with
him and he's like, well, who's on my team? You know,
because I had called a couple of Stanford games that year.
I think Walt Harris or somebody was to call Buddy
Tevens or some terrible failure. Uh and uh, I said, well,

(26:21):
you know you got the kid Delano Howel from Hart
Highs and aggressive kind of safety or whatever. And Toby Gerhardt,
you know, the running back on a Norco, the white kid.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
He goes, he's white.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
We don't want them.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Ended up.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
The Hall probably should have won the Heisman, you know,
over mark Ingram who had a great year too.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
But yeah, that was funny. He is white. But what
was the other one.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
By the way, I didn't realize Toby Garrett.

Speaker 8 (26:55):
Yeah, no, the other one running back would have been
like Christian McCaffrey. But the booms being ripped off was
a that was a baseball thing. Like I lived with
baseball players and you know, they'd be playing north Ridge
on a Tuesday night, you know, come back seven hours
later because the bats are made of metal, ping pong

(27:16):
in baseball and college baseball, and I'd say, you know,
did you guys win or whatever? No, Etherton got his
boobs ripped off, and like what what happened?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
You know? Or he got his tase lit. You know
they used to say that to.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
Other other running back. I'm big tenor so you got
to throw Mike Alstart in there. I mean that's just
for me college wise. I just I got to make
sure that I throw my boy in there.

Speaker 8 (27:48):
Was he was a he was a ball carrier, but
oftentimes he lined up at the full back position.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
They did you know, his agility, Oh he was one.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
No, get me wrong, but people.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Didn't realize how agile that dude and how he was.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yes, he had great feet and he had a real quick.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Burst, but the most important attribute was that he's white.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
To me, the most important attribute at all Start was
the fact that he didn't line up at tailback often.
I mean, if they wanted to get estimated it right right,
if they wanted to give him the ball like consistently,
then he'd get he'd get in at.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Tailback and then he do that position.

Speaker 8 (28:31):
But a lot of the time, you know, he was
running the ball from the full back position or just
playing or just playing a traditional fullback and doing all
the other fullback stuff. He was pretty remarkable, he really was. Yeah,
I loved him as a back, but it was really
interesting because a lot of what he did was from
maybe in a more traditional offense two or three yards

(28:53):
deep at the full back position, you know, right behind
the quarterback, and that's hard. I mean, yeah, you're right
up into the scrimmage quickly. But for a guy with
really good feet that can stop and start like him
and move, that's not exactly where you want to be easy. Yeah,
and he was really able when he ran the ball
from closer to the line of scrimmage. I mean, that's

(29:14):
really remarkable because I don't think there's been I mean,
I saw kid in college who I've never gotten over,
and he's one of the greatest players I've ever seen,
and he's probably like blowing people up with a computer.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Keyboard. Now.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
He's an Air Force player, a white kid who played
fullback for them, and I think he had like at
least one two thousand yard season, maybe not maybe close.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Brad Roberts was his name.

Speaker 8 (29:43):
He blew me away, like that kid blew me away
because he didn't look like anything.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Like he didn't look like anything, and he.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
Was right up in there, you know, and you'd give
him the ball and every one yard run became a
four yard run almost to where you didn't even notice.
And then you're like Jesus and like you never even
see him break free. But you look at the stats
at the end of the game and what he was
able to do for a season and how he kept
coming and that was pretty remarkable. But he was but

(30:13):
he was such a forward, leaning back, a.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Stilted back, remember that guy.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, he was unbelievable. Look up his stats.

Speaker 8 (30:20):
But he was like a stilted back right like leaning forward,
Like if no one was there to tackle him, just
like me, it was likely he'd fall forward anyway.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
But it's true. But but all start.

Speaker 8 (30:36):
That's what was remarkable about him bringing it up is
that a lot of the time when he ran the
ball close to the line of scrimmage, he was.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Able to stop and start. Yeah, and that's really hard
to do.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
But yeah, and you change directions. Yeah, but he's start
and stuff, and people was making business decisions when they
was like it was like, oh, there he is. Like
he'd appear, like you said, he get the ball so quick,
he'd appear you'd be like.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Side.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
By the time you realized that you had to knuckle
up for him, he's already patted you. But anyways, I'm
a big mike all stop.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
He was great.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Hell us was good too.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
He wore the same he wore the same face mask
I did the bulldog muzzle. You know, we haven't brought
that into existence, you know what I mean. Send me
a bulldog muzzle.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Send me a photo of it. I'll buy one. Uh
you know my uh.

Speaker 8 (31:31):
I did an Arkansas game once where their backfield was
Houston Nutt was the coach. Their backfield was Peyton Hillis
who returned punts. Uh Felix Jones and and uh McFadden.
Yeah that's crazy like and they lost by seventy points

(31:54):
to US. Yea, I'll never forget we did that. We
had we had Arkansas USC and it was like the
very first game or the second game of the year
where they were really special the beginning of the two
thousand and five season where every the world was about

(32:15):
Matt Lioner and Reggie Bush and Linndale and Dwayne Jarrett
and these teams were filled with superstars.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
This is the year.

Speaker 8 (32:23):
They ended up losing that game to Texas and the
Rose bull but the very first game of the year,
they're playing Arkansas. Okay, you know, I don't know a
lot of SEC teams. I mean, this is and this
is before the SEC. I mean, it's around that time
when the SEC was starting to build their strength. USC
was dominating college football. Oklahoma was really good. And I

(32:45):
remember being in the meeting with Houston Nutt and I
forget the name of their their decordinator. His first name
was Reggie and he was like a big old southern
white guy too, and they were just preaching like this
USC another they're they're like a medio GRASSYC team. We're
gonna be five. I'll tell you one thing you won't see.

(33:07):
You won't see guys just running free out there. And
I was like, I was sitting in the meeting, and
I want you know, I'm not a Homer broadcaster, and
if anything, I'm worse than that and or the other way.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
And I was like, yeah, this sounds about right.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
You know, these guys are gonna come and slap USC
in the hand show Pete Carroll teach them a little something, right,
Just in the back of my mind, I said, this
guy might know what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
The game was literally seventy to seven.

Speaker 8 (33:37):
Like the fact that they said no one was gonna
be running free was like the prophecy that everybody was
going to be running free. Like I don't know whether
everybody was running free. They scored seventy points. I believe
crazy man, and I never go down on the field
after a game unless I have to do an interview
or something. I went down on the field just to
see if I could catch eye contact with the decoordinator,

(33:59):
like hey, remember when you said like just because it
was so it was such a contrast to what would happen.
But it was amazing that they had that backfield and
they couldn't even generate first down.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I remember going to a USC Washington game when Tyrone
Willingham was the coach at Washington and it was at
the coliseum and betting on Washington because they were getting
thirty four points and USC still covered. It just wasn't close,
like there was no there was nobody close to them.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
Well, they used to blow people's doors off late right
like they would. They would find a way to do
whatever in the game. And then in the fourth quarter
their run game just became so dominant when Lyndale White
running the zone. But those ty Willingham Washington teams are
interesting because.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
One year at Fox they went ohen they went oh.

Speaker 8 (34:53):
To twelve, right, they lost every game and then hired
Steve Sarkisian after that, they were rating so well, Like
we had a couple of games early and they were
really highly rated because even though they were so bad,
the whole city of Seattle wanted him fired so bad
it became like watching a car accident. They they sent

(35:18):
us up there for six of those guys called six
of the games in his zero to twelve season or something,
and it was just can you imagine what it was
like doing that meeting again in November, Like they fired
him like on Halloween and let him play out the street,
and he just was gonna, you know, because you don't
like just fire Ty Wellingham in the middle of the season.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
He was too nice of a guy or too honorable
of a character or whatever.

Speaker 8 (35:44):
So we would literally sit in the meetings like, yeah,
what do you think, Well, I don't think we're gonna win, Okay,
Well is that shre we to say that in the open?

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Or what should we do? Like that was the most
That was a real march to to uh to future.
That was tough.

Speaker 8 (36:01):
I was I usually never care where they sent me
to do it back then, I just go wherever, and
I never worried about what game we were going to
have or who was in it or it was a
good game or not, but that year kind of broke me.
I seeing Washington as bad as they were year in
and year out was very, very difficult.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, that's rough.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
We'll listen. Petros, there it.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Is yeah, no, yeah, the loop, I remember that. The
face man.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Long lived, Toby and Mike who you know, LeVar Arrington
is Toby by the way, you know what I mean.
I got my name from Toby, but he was koon
Takin first, but then they they forced him to be Toby,
you know, so I have a connection to Toby Gearhart
in a different type of way.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yeah, Petros, movie Roots by Alex Hey, I yes, yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Always appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
And we were everybody was in the Roots everybody.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
I mean, that's OJ.

Speaker 8 (36:56):
It wasn't just it wasn't just Burton went to us
to kid himself as a USC guy. Is I didn't
know that LeVar Burton. Yeah, yeah, he spoke to us
at uh. He spoke to us a few times when
I was at SC.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
I don't know. It wasn't very inspiring to hear from
the guy from the Reading Rainbow.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
But that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
But h Richard round Tree Shaft, who was born today.
He was in roots.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
Oh happy birthday. He's dead, but yeah, yeah, yeah, happy birthday.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Just died two years ago.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Dang the nolensense. Yeah, we'll do it again next time.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Sorry I was late.

Speaker 4 (37:34):
No, you're going there?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Horn in on Lee's cool segment.

Speaker 3 (37:39):
Yeah right, there is why he's rushing us up out
of here. You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Get him on X at the old.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
G crazy so he could get his.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
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Speaker 3 (38:50):
Just a nextra note. You may here, you may not.
I don't know. But if you ask me, if you
like at me, where is Brady, I'm blocking you bike.
You could say you hate me, you could say any
kind of whatever. Any more questions on where he is,
I'm blocking you.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
That's it added here forever. Stop asking us where he is.
He'll be back when he's back, and if you were
supposed to know where he was, he would have told you. Yep,
So stop asking.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
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Speaker 1 (39:28):
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Speaker 7 (39:46):
These might smell a little fun, that sounds incredible, but
they're still good. Time to find out what's Lap's leela?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
All right?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
The lap?

Speaker 4 (39:56):
What do we got? A whole bunch of stuff?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Guys.

Speaker 9 (39:58):
Well, I was driving in today and I mentioned this
to you.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
It's the buck moon.

Speaker 9 (40:02):
It's the full moon date they called the buck moon
because it's in the month of.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
July when Antler's bucket naked moon.

Speaker 4 (40:09):
Yeah, buck naked moon.

Speaker 9 (40:10):
Yeah, it's when it's when Bucks usually aners exactly.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Wait, Bucks, Bucks wait till the full moon to grow
their antlers.

Speaker 9 (40:19):
That's right, They're like, where we really Yeah, no, no,
it's just in July when they grow their antlers.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
So this is the It's not even a full moon
officially yet, isn't it that tonight is tonight?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Is it? Yeah?

Speaker 9 (40:29):
Tomorrow night is officially, But I would say it looks
pretty damn full to me.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
I was wondering, though, the man on the moon doesn't.

Speaker 9 (40:34):
Look the same, and it was tripping me out. It's like,
it doesn't it's not like what I remember. But I
guess there is times of the year when it just
kind of rotates, and well, not the moon rotates, but
our perception.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
What are you talking about the man on the moon.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
You know, the man on the moon.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
They fake those lanes. I don't know a shadow. You
can see his face, Yeah, it doesn't look the same.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
I know about Mac tonight, but that's about any That's
about it for fake.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Yeah whatever, whatever happened to that guy?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
That long face, that long ass face, and.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Guy's got a canoe on his shoulders, Your long ass tonight,
long ass past

Speaker 2 (41:17):
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