October 28, 2025 • 40 mins
Jonas and LaVar examine what they think Shohei Ohtani will be able to do on the mound in Game 4 after a marathon Game 3. FOX Sports NFL and College Football Rules Analyst Dean Blandino joins the guys to dive into some major officiating mishaps in Week 8. Plus, someone stole Shaq's car!
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two pros FSR and subscribe. Yeah, Brady likes his hair metal,
that's for sure. Big fan of hair metal. When he
(01:24):
was in town years ago, have you ever been to
the Rainbow Bar and Grill? No on on sunset? It
was like the old it's like right next to the
the the Whiskey or the Roxy one.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
One of my favorite gay bars.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The Local Whiskey. It's actually not oh different one now, yeah,
the Rainbow.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
That was like I mean wild assumption. I mean I
get it. Geez sunset, Yeah, no, I get it. So
it's one of the I've never been to that that
spot you're talking about, but I have walked across the
walkways and stuff like that that were you know, I
used to live on like in between, Uh, what is
(02:06):
the sunset and what's the one below? Not mail Rose?
What's the one below where you know where the institute
is the big color building and got it the crosswalks
like it's something like mail Rose. It might be mail
Rose Rose.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
On the tip.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So the Rainbow Bar? What the Rainbow Bar and Grill
We used used to be the place that all the
hair metal bands back that they would go to and
so hair metal meaning the big hair like Guns and Roses, Poison.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You know, like Brett Michaels and all of them.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And Brady loves that music. Like if you watch Oh
my God, so you watch November Rain, the Purple Rain,
you know the Guns of the white version November Rain,
the Guns and Roses song. If you look at the video,
it's like a long ass eight minute song. But in
the video it shows I'm at the Rainbow Bar and
Grill on Sunset and so Brady was out here one
(03:03):
time and I wanted to take him to the Rainbow
Bar and Grills. Hey man, like this is like you
grew up loving this music. This is where they would
all go, This is where they would all hang out.
And we went in there and he was mortified, like
you realize reality versus.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Let's one, I do not fit in this environment, like
this is not a place for me. And he's looking
around like, yeah, this is yes, this is what you
grew up watching, this is what you grew up listening to,
and you're finally here, and it was like I think
it's set in Yeah, that's not my world.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I am.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I am far beyond this and uh and well past
this point in my life. So whenever I hear the
hair metal, just think of the rainbow bar and grill.
Not the place the rain it goes to, just the.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
The other one. It is, uh here Irona goes to
what was it called the Pink Pony Club.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I was thin rumors was the one, and they have
a rainbow on their sign.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Not the Pink Pony Club.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No, I haven't been there yet. Oh okay, my mama
would be proud.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I don't even know if that is.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
No, Ye, we'll come back with that one.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, never heard of the Pink Pony Club. That doesn't
feel like.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I don't even know if it's true that that's a
real place.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I don't even want to look it up.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
All I know is we used to take walks and
we walked down the hill to go get food because
it's a walking you know, walking district. And my kids,
my kids were like four years old, you know, five
years old, and we'd be walking and we realized very
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quickly like we we had moved from Maryland Annapolis, which
you go walking downtown Annapolis, it's military families, you know,
the naval academy, like older people heading to their their
boats and stuff. Very traditional, very just super traditional. We'll say,
all right, then we move out to California. We're walking,
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we're holding the hands of kids, and I hear hear
one of my kids go, hey, what are they doing?
And I turned and out looking it was two dudes walking,
old dads.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Oh yeah, that was pers I think it might have been.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I looked at my wife and I thought to myself,
I was like, huh, how do I answer this one?
It's yeah, I mean I was like, I was like,
you know, people, people love each other and I feel safe.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Why would you move from Annapolis to off of Sunset?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I didn't choose where we Where we lived. It was
a dope ass crib and it was very centralized to
where I was working and where everything was. Like kind
of everything was going on, is what I would say. Well,
I enjoyed it, like to be honest with you, it
just you know, our family was growing, so we ended
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up moving out and going out to the beach. We
realized that the Beach Cities was where we really wanted
to be after we'd lived here but not ever living
here and wanting to understand like you know the area,
which I don't even know how we got to this conversation,
but yeah, and and hair Metal, But we ended up
(06:30):
figuring out we wanted to be closer to the beach,
being walking distance of the beach versus walking distance of like,
you know, being off of sunset although on a Sunday
or a Saturday to be able to walk up to
sunset and go watch a game at the state the
state House state was it State Social or something like that, Like,
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I forget what it's called, but there's that. Then the local, Uh,
what's the Irish bar that that is on Sunset? I
forget it, but it's been a while. But Players Club
no easy place to go watch Sunday games and great
place to go to breakfast. You've ever been to the Griddle?
You ever been to the Griddle?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, it's great. They got all sorts of fun stuff
over there.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Man, bro their pancakes are off the chain, Like you
could slap somebody to their death with one of them pancakes.
Bruh damn, yeah, you know how would they do the Yeah, man,
you slap somebody with a Griddle pancake. It's a rap,
it's a but it's so good. You might want to
try to put you on it while they hitting you
(07:34):
with it. It's a good point. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
By the way, for those of you that are just
now getting home from the Dodger game, congratulations, well done everybody.
Uh well, everybody listening on the blowtorch and five seventy
LA sports that are just waking up going uh yeah,
I really actually just did do that. I really just
sat through a six hour and forty minute game only
(07:59):
to see Eddie Freeman do what he did in the
World Series last year and walking off in the eighteenth inning, which,
by the way, they also played eighteen innings back in
twenty eighteen against the Red Sox. And I remember that
because I had an entire show. It was a Friday night,
I had an entire show planned, and the game was
still going on movement on the air. So I was like, okay,
(08:20):
well there goes that, you know, opening hour, and so
Dodger fans listening fired up. You win Game three, Game
four coming up later on tonight, Shoho Tani, after that
performance last night, which included two home runs, two doubles,
and five intentional walks, is going to be on the
mound pitching for the Dodgers with a chance to put
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him up three games to one, as confirmed by manager
Dave Roberts after the game on Fox.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You go catch your breath, but show he's good to
go tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Show he's good to go. Cramps and all he's going.
He's pitching, cramping out, cramping up, Stack it up, cramp
it up it so.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Fa and listen. I'm I brought it up earlier. I'm
just saying he was out there, he was cramping, He
was on base a lot. This is not your normal. Hey,
well the pitcher didn't pitch the night before in a
game like that, so he's going to be Shane Bieber
is going to be going for the Blue Jays. You know,
you don't have to worry about him running the bases
(09:22):
the previous night. I'm not saying that this is an
advantage for the Blue Jays, but I think it is
something to bring up. It's not like shoehe tan. He
didn't take part in that game last night or this morning,
depending on where you were watching or listening to it.
He was there for the entirety of it. He was
on base every single time, and now you're asking him
to go out less than twenty four hours later or
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whatever it is later to go pitch and try and
put this team up three games to one. Like, it's
just it's it's a tall task. I think he's up
for it, but it is something to monitor if you're
if you're watching this game or you have any concerns
as a Dodgers fan.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Nah, there is that. Nah, let that ma and continue
to build his legacy in work history while hell yeah,
while the Dodgers marched one game closer to winning another
World Series. This would be his second World Series, right
second one? Yeah, last year? Yeah, yeah, I just I
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think it's a great It's great for sports that he's
going on the mound today.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You know, at what point do you think major League
Baseball would be like, like how many innings would you
need to get to and how many players would you
need to blow through before major League Baseball would be like, Eh,
it's getting a bit much. You know, maybe just keep
on rolling twenty.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
We only get this type of captive audience viewership once
a year. So even the idea of watching how long
that game lasted and how intense it was and how
competitive it was makes for a great storyline of what
the world series represents this year and then to come
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off of a game that Showhy had in terms of
his production, in terms of a game that the Dodgers
was able to take a lead in the series with.
Now you're coming into another home game before they got
to go and and if you think about it, if
they went tonight, it's three to one, they're one game
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away from winning the World Series.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I think they should be up three to one right now.
That was two nine in games last night. That game
should have counted as two wins. They should be they
should be four to one ure tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
But but here's the thing though, right this could be
the last game they play in LA before the season
is over.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, tomorrow they've got They've got the game tomorrow. So
they got three in LA and then two back in Toronto. Okay,
I saw that point. I thought this was the last
game coming up. They so in the LCS and the
World Series they do the two three two like so
where you've got.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
The two, but you got to win four games to
win it.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, they split in Toronto, so that the last night
or this morning gave them the two to one, and
then they can they can so.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
The home tea gets two home games, but the away
team gets three home games, and then it goes the
game six and second. Yeah, that seems strange to me.
I would feel like the last two games should be split,
like the one who gets the home field advantage should
I guess the way I guess the one three games
in a row is why they would get.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So they use I think it was the NBA who
may have started this, Like I might have this wrong,
but the NBA started it, and their reasoning for it
was when it was like Lakers Celtics. You didn't want
if you went, you know, two games in Boston, two
in LA and then you went one and one and
then a game seven back in say Boston. They didn't
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want people to have to fly back and forth coast
to coast like that, so they said, well, why don't
we just do two three two. The problem is if
you split one game like the Dodgers got game two
in Toronto, I mean, there's a chance Toronto never sees
their on field again.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, now that you said I said it that way,
I didn't realize that's what it was. So my apologies
on that inaccuracy. But still you get one game closer
to being at the end of the series, coming off
of the performance that he had in last night's game,
coming off of the performance that the Dodgers had in
last night's game, to announce him being the pitcher, like
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he's going to be on the mound. You don't think
that that. I mean, as if you needed anything to
raise the stakes or make it more entertaining and watchable.
But with that being said, you added a whole lot
of lighter fluid to an already nice flame on the grill.
You are really cooking by putting showhead Tani and announcing
(13:50):
that he's going to be on the mound for tonight's game.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And also on the same night when you're going against
Patrick Mahomes on Monday Night football. It stood up and
stood up, stood up, And that really is the conversation.
And I mean we talked about, you know, the Chiefs
beating the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And you have nothing tonight. You're putting show Hey as
your lead, Like come see the world series, the Los
Angeles Dodgers, the Toronto Blue Jays and show hey a
Tani right.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Like we're gonna we're gonna dismiss Penguins Flyers.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yes, we are battles State yeah, we are going to
miss that.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And we're Penguins fans. Yeah we are probably going to
miss that one. We're going to miss it. But yeah, no,
this is a real opportunity for them to strike while
the while everything is hot, and he's gonna if he
goes out there and lives up to it again. I mean,
he's got World Series MVP in the bag, like it's
you know, it's not even not even a conversation at
(14:51):
this point, even though Freddy Freeman hit the and yet
the other part of Freddy Freeman hit the walk off
last night, the other part of it as well too.
I don't think people understand the respect level you have
to have for somebody if you just put it into
these terms. Mookie Betts is going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer. He's one of the great players
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of his era. He's probably going to win a Gold
Glove at a position he hadn't played, I think since
high school or something like that. Like he's been phenomenal.
The guy's going to the Hall of Fame. He'll be
in Cooper's town the second he's eligible, and the best
teams in baseball are saying, we'd rather face that first
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ballot Hall of Famer than have to deal with whatever
the hell Otani's doing. That is how good o'tani is
that you are saying to yourself, we'll take our chances
with a guy who's a first ballot Hall of Famer
because that assassin that's going before him is a problem.
We don't want to deal with. The Phillies did it
when Otani was one for seventeen. He couldn't hit anything.
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He was in a terrible slump, and the Phillies are like,
we'll just walk him and load the bases and then
deal with the Hall of Fame or Mookie bets because
we don't want to. We don't even want to risk
the chance, even in a slump, to have to deal
with sho heyo Tani. I don't think people understand how
good this guy is until it's gonna be all said
and done and you look back and go, Jesus like
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he was doing things we've never ever seen before, and
in real time, if you can learn to appreciate that
you're ahead of this whole thing. And watching him last
night get walked as many times intentionally, it's the first
time I thought to myself, oh, he like he's Bonds,
Like I haven't felt that up with Yeah, I haven't
(16:44):
felt up until that point. Because if you watch Bonds
in his prime, whether he was on the gas or not,
that guy was must watch because it was rare that
anybody gave him an opportunity to hit, because if he did,
he was gonna make an impact. And I watched Oughtani
last night and the Blue Jays finally said, all right,
we give up. He's Bonds. He he does things we've
(17:05):
never seen before. And we'd rather deal with Mookie Bets,
who's going to the Hall of Fame, than deal with
that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It's just crazy. Let's put you in incredible kind of
a no win situation. Yeah, you're you're somewhat in a
no win situation. So it's kind of that's like dealing
with those Yankees, you know, when they had Jeter and
had you know.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
A Rotten and to your point, that was the last
time anybody's gone back to back in the World Series.
It was twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Listen, you were, you were in DC covering the Nationals
and all that talent.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Drosberg. They had both the Zimmerin's like they were loaded.
They had Bryce Harper.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
On that team, and they're nowhere close to this Dodgers team. Dang,
that's how that's how dominant.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
And how good they've been. So that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And again the game just wrapped up about an hour ago,
so you know, hopefully they'll be ready to go. H
coming up later on tonight. By the way, it is
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Speaker 3 (19:11):
What's his problem?
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(19:48):
Good morning, Dean, good morning, guys.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
I don't get my week is always made one night.
Do you guys practice your your Marlon Brandow he just
really did really good. It's just cold and you go
right into it. You're like, I haven't done it all week.
I'm just going in, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So here's a little behind the scenes on that. And
everything I tell you is I'm about to tell you
is true.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So my my brother Tyrone, he's white. Okay, I just
want to point that out.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
First, literally the first thing I say.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So he's also deep.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
He's also he's also my godfather, and so growing up
I didn't understand. But he would always talk to me
in Marlon Brando's voice, and I never understood it, because
why did When he talks to me, it's different, and
he would he had the Marlon Brando and to this
day he still does it and he's got it down
to a t. So I've just picked it up over
the years because I've heard him talk to me like that.
(20:47):
Isn't my entire life so perfect? Yeah? Now I do.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I just took a little search on social media and decided,
you know, why do not? I just go ahead and
throw in NFL officiating on X and Giants fans are
pissed off because it appears that a wide receiver was
going to make a play, he had his arm grabbed
by an Eagles defender and that was called offensive PI.
(21:17):
Is that just a miss or? Is there a true
justification on that call as to why it went the
other way and not the way of defensive pass interference
when clearly there was a grab of the forum of
the wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
Well, look, I didn't love the call. I think I
see what the officials saw. I think you watched Slayton.
He what they're looking for is they're looking for the
receiver to put, you know, extend his arms into the
body of the defender, create that space. But whenever you've
got a receiver and a defender, they're both kind of
hand fighting. The dB there he's grabbing Slayton. Clayton's trying
(21:54):
to get off of that contact, and you're going to
give the receiver the ability to do that. Now he can't,
he can't take two hands and shove and clearly foul
himself even though he's he's being grabbed. But that, that
to me was not I think it was. I think
it was. I've scene worse calls, but but you know,
(22:15):
in that game, we saw worse calls. But but that
was that was definitely one that I didn't see. I
didn't see that an offensive past the appearance.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Dean, let me ask you about the phenomenon of being
able to punch the ball out. It's become a thing
they teach it. But I think what people may not
be realizing and what they may not be seeing, is
there is also the times where there's a miss and
and now I'm starting to see where when they're punching
(22:44):
for the ball, they may punch them unintentionally, they may
punch them somewhere else other than where the ball is
and locating the ball. Do you see this potentially becoming
a point of emphasis that in terms of what maybe
the competition could he looks at or what the referees
are looking at if they don't hit the ball like
I saw a player. I think it might have been
(23:06):
a quarterback too. I could be wrong, but I could
My recollection is a little little off on it. But
he got punched right in the head, like punched him
like straight in the head. But you could tell he
was trying, he was going for the tackle to punch
the ball out. Does that become a conversation at any point?
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Absolutely? And I think it has been a conversation in
the past, but I think that conversation is going to
get more serious this offseason because because I'm like you,
I'm seeing a lot of it. And obviously this is
this is a tactic that you think about, right, Peanut Tillman,
the peenut punch, and I mean this this works. I mean,
(23:45):
this is how many? How many turnovers are do we
see every week every in the NFL where it's because
you know, a defensive players punching that ball out and
it's and they're and they're not perfect, right, it's not
always hitting the football. But I think that's it's really
hard at full speed with the officials to say, okay,
(24:06):
well he didn't get all ball. Maybe he got part
of the ball or did he you know, I think
it would have to be blatantly obvious. And sometimes on
film we're seeing that where he just misses and ends
up hitting him, whether it's in the head or the body.
I think that's definitely going to be a conversation. I
don't know if the league would say, hey, if it's
not all ball, we're going to penalize, because again, it's
tough because we know what the intent is, but sometimes
(24:30):
the intent and what happens are two different things, and
I think that's definitely gonna be something the Competition Committe looks.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
At Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here on FSR. Aaron
Rodgers had a bit of a red ass on Sunday
night because he and he's done this throughout the course
of his career. We're on his hard count. He'll get
a team to jump and then it's a free play
and he'll just throw downfield, and apparently it looked like
(24:57):
it worked, and so he operated it is if all right,
I'm going to get the call here and it's a
free play, and as it turns out, there was no
flag throwing. What goes on in that situation when it
appears that clearly he's offside? Is it on the center
to snap the ball immediately to get that call or
how does that conversation go with officials?
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Yeah, well you have two officials that are both on
on either ends of the you know, either sideline, and
they're looking right down line of scrimmage, so they're responsible
for for the line of scrimmage fall start off side.
Those types of things who's in the neutral zone. And
then so when you have that and Aaron Rodgers, you know,
he's one of the best, and that to me, it
(25:39):
was the fouls they were they were in the neutral
zone you had. I think it was Micah Parsons and
one of the other you know, I think the defensive
lineman jumped early. And as an official, what you're looking
for is we always tell officials if the defensive players
crowding the line of scrimmage, any any movement forward before
the snap, put them in the nutrient zone, right because
(26:01):
you can't like you can't sit there and say, well,
he was like he was an inch into the nutrient zone,
versus not if their crowding the neutral zone, they're crowding
the ball, any forward movement before the snap put them
in it's offside. And so the visual has to say, Okay,
are they crowded the new zone or off Sometimes you know,
maybe they're off the ball. Maybe it's a you know,
in a two point I'm off the ball and I
(26:23):
have a little leeway to move forward. You know, I'm
trying to anticipate the snap count. On that one, I
thought they were crowding, crowding the ball, they jumped should
have been a free play. Obviously, like you said, Iron
was not happy, and rightfully so because that should have
been off side.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Let me ask you about the Toush push situation. You know,
to me, hey, I get fired up, Dean, and I know,
I know you're so tired. I know it's so so tiring. Well,
we got such a different perspective of it this weekend,
more so than I've ever seen, and they I just
(27:00):
found it to be curious. The touch push is based
off of pushing through the forward progress. If you ask me,
like if you were to say what makes the touch
push special, it's that moment where force meets force and
there's a stop. There's a pause almost and to me,
that's the stopping of forward progress. But the idea of
(27:24):
continuing the push and knowing that you've given the offense
the opportunity to try to continue or re establish that
forward progress is what the touch push to me, in essence,
has become like get in there, push, Okay, there's the melee.
Continue to push, and that continued push is when you
(27:46):
get the results in this game against the Giants that
took place and they blew it dead.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You blow it dead.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
And for once you see the defense actually with that
continued forward progress that that re establishes itself. Thibodeau knocks
the ball out. It's a that should have been a
touch push play. They got to the quarterback, they dislodged
the ball. It's a fumble, a fumble recovery, and they
(28:17):
get stopped on the touch push and it's a turnover
because of a fumble. But yet it's blown dead.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
What was your like, what was.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Your take on it?
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Like?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
How do they blow it dead on that one? On
forward progress? But in most cases they just allow them
to keep pushing? How does that work?
Speaker 7 (28:34):
You're you're absolutely right that that play is, like you said,
that is based on pushing through that initial contact. And
the way this play is being officiated now it's like
it is literally unstoppable, Like it's already they're already so
good at it. Then now you can move early. Now, well,
(28:55):
we're not gonna We're gonna let you push through the
full progress and if hurt sends up in the end zone,
it's a touch down. But if the defense ends up
with the ball, we're going to rule forward progress. And
in that one, and you know we've talked about this
this I hate to say, this is an impossible play
to officiate because there's there's short yardist plays that happened
without push push and without all the other crap, and
(29:16):
so that's the play that you you cannot blow that dead.
You cannot do that that an official himself would tell you,
I screwed that up. Hurts is pushing forward, he's reaching
the ball out. Tippoteau makes a great play. It's it
was out in space. Everybody could see it. It wasn't
like it was in the middle of the pile. That
should have been a fumble. That should have been a fumble,
(29:38):
should have been Giants ball. And it's just again this
either we got officiated correctly or we got to get
rid of whatever has to happen, because this is happening
a lot, and it's not we're not making stuff up
at this point. It's like there are real issues with
with this play and the league has to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
What's your gut, because it does feel like this this
is going to be out of here in the off season,
that they're going to figure out a way because if
it's too difficult to officiate, it was already a close
call last last year when they were voting on it,
it feels like, you know, we're we're in the final
stretch round of.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
This play Yeah, that's that's where I'm at too. It
just feels like, Okay, they're they're whatever, whatever evidence is
needed to finally get this thing out is we've got
just two eight weeks of the season. We've got enough now. Again,
like we talked about, nothing happens rest of the way
(30:36):
the playoffs and everything's great, nobody says nothing. The uproar,
you know, kind of get a little quieter. Sure, but
I think it's at this point. My gut says they're
going to get rid of it. They just got to
figure out, you know, what that rule is going to
look like, how the officials are going to officiate the pushing.
What do you want to do? Do you just want
(30:56):
to get rid of the toush push or do you
want to get rid of all of it pushing the
runner down field in the pile, those types of things.
So my gut is, I agree, I think it's gone.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Dan. I also observed rid zone rid zone plays where
it's almost like, how how are the referees approaching pis
in the rid zone because It's like, I've seen them
call pass interference against the offense on the picks, but
(31:31):
what I'm not seeing, which I believe, is an unfair
advantage to the offense where it's a two way win.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
One.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
They're pushing, they're pushing off of they're they're like almost
like hitting like a slant, a shallow slant, and they're
pushing into the coverage and then breaking back out, and
if that defender does anything to try to offset the push,
they call PI. Yeah, But to me, it's like, Okay,
(32:05):
if you're pushing him, is it the rid zone that's
making it difficult or making it so that the referees
are like, yeah, he pushed them, and that should be
offensive pass interference Cause in reality, it's really no different
than the pick play that another guy would come and
kind of looks like it's a block, but he's kind
of pushing the guy and he gets caught on him.
(32:28):
If it's the receiver himself doing it, are they looking
at that and saying, Okay, well, he's not five yards
off of the ball. He's more like two or three
yards off of the ball. It's the rid zone, so
we're not going to call the offensive guy for a
pass interference, but if that defender grabs him and it
now becomes a tussle, a fight between the two of them,
(32:50):
which I thought that the referees are supposed to allow
them to let that go, but they're calling it like
that was a call that kind of bailt the Dallas
Cowboys out with C. D Lamb in that moment. So
he gets to catch, and it's it's either a positive
thing where you get a Touchdow or if you don't
get it, it's still a pass interference and you get
(33:11):
a new set of downs. Like how does that work?
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Yeah, I mean those are hard plays to officiate, and
I agree, and whether we just you see it more
in the red zone and good team, good offensive play callers.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
You know, they do a great job of those rub routes,
of those you know where we always tell the officials
right that that receiver has to be in a route
running posture that they can't you can't square up and block,
you can't initiate that contact. Obviously, you can't set a pick,
you know, beyond the yard from the line of scripts,
(33:45):
those types of things. But they are He's are very
good at. Like you said that that slant where you're
driving inside on the defender and almost forcing him with
your body to go inside, and then you try to
cut back outside and that DB's will managers going one
way and now ship I grabbed, and and and you're
getting that call on the defense. So it's a really
hard play to officiat. But there there there has to
(34:08):
be that recognition from the official because every every eligible
receiver has an official assigned to them initially based on
where they're aligned. And then and then, and especially in
the red zone, you know, there's less switches because sometimes
when receivers are running around and grounds and they cross
one official may have that official at the start of
the play, but then they switch because of where that
(34:29):
route ends up. In the red zone, because everything is
so compact, you have less switches because you want to
stay with and especially in man coverage press, you want
to stay with that receiver because you can't miss anything.
So it's just a hard play to officiat and and
and typically when they do see that that defender grab,
that's when you're going to get the flag down for holding.
But there has to be that cause and effect idea
(34:52):
where okay, why is that dB at a disadvantage because
he's beams driven inside and that has to be part
of it too, where you give that guy a little
more leeway because of what the receiver's doing.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Dean last one for me. So this came out, I
was curious to get your thoughts on it. Ken Williamson,
who's the SEC official who was suspended for the remainder
of the season because he had a he had a
bad game. I think there was like nine or eleven
you know calls at the SEC acknowledge were bad calls?
Uh in the Auburn Georgia game. What how do you
(35:22):
get to that? Like, like, like, how do you get
to and I don't recall this happening in the NFL,
but how do we get to Hey, it was so bad,
this guy suspended for the rest of the year. And
I think he's also retiring at the end of the
year if I'm not mistaken. So that's a rap on
his career. But how do we get to that point
(35:43):
in the NFL and in college?
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Well, before I answer, I just will say, you guys
are on it today. I don't know, Like, what's the
one thing that you know?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (35:54):
See, the questions are like great, and I mean, I
don't know what Brady's did. I hope everything's okay, but
he just like tired, he stick because of all the
blowouts they have to work.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Good.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Generally, let Brady do the show when he's here, we
just support him. But when they're just me and Jonas
is black and drag and we just kind of we
just try to do what we do. You know, we
actually we actually have talent, but we just allowed you know,
Q to do what he does.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
He doesn't give you guys a chance to shine because
he never shuts up.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
But anyway, now we're okay, Well, you know it's good,
that's funny as hell.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
How does it get to that point? It's a great question.
And look, this, this is this is something I've struggled
with in my career when I was at the NFL
and I was in charge of the officials, because you
don't want to officials get graded and on everything every
decision they make, and those grades affect their postseason assignments
and they affect eventually whether they come back the following year.
(36:56):
So there is that accountability and you you got to
be careful with. Okay, guys, this is a PI call.
We're going to suspend them or we're gonna we're going
to find because those are just judgment calls. It's like
every time the player drops the drops the pass, it's
not like you're going to cut that player. I understand
over time, players get cut, coaches get fired, get it.
So I think there's something deeper than with this particular official,
(37:19):
where it's not just the one game. You know, and
and and this was probably something over time where and
typically that's not it's not a judgment thing, it's a
misapplication of a rule. It's something that that should not happen,
and it happened. And I think this was probably behind
the scenes. I think the fact that he was retiring
(37:39):
at the end of the year might have had something
to do with it as well. But but it was unusual.
You don't hear that where we're an official is suspended
for the rest of the year for something that is
that is the football part of it all. They have
the same conduct policies and and you know, we find
and fired officials for stuff off the field, but but
(38:00):
on the field, it was unusual.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Dean always appreciate it. We will do it again next
week and we'll send uh, We'll send Brady your regards,
all right, thank your boss. It's the Great Dean Blandino
with us here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll clip that
and save it for Brady when he returns. All right,
So coming up next here on Two Pros and a
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Over all right, Larray Ray, what do we got? All right?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Jonas? I know how much you love your truck. Now,
could you imagine you ordered a brand new range Rover
and as it is being shipped to you, it is
stolen during transport. That's what happened to.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Shack really, and his was probably totally fully customed.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It valued at one hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
How that happened?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It's funny. The shipping the transportation company says that they
were hit by a cyber attack. I don't understand that's
how they lost it. They were hit by a cyber attack.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
So so somebody.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Okay, I feel like it was an inside job if
you ask me. That's a little too like, oh, this
is a big car, a big client cyber hap But.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
How are they transporting. They're transporting on like a flatbed
right right, They're just taking it.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
So what but maybe they got the information they didn't
give a lot of details. They're just offering a ten
thousand dollars reward for thousand.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Thousand range Rover.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
For a hundred thousand plus car. Yeah, you better offer
me more than that.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I mean, he hasn't even driven it yet. That would
make the value go up more.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I don't know how pissed would you be though?
Like you guys, I mean today he's going to replace it.
Everything's going to be replaced.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I mean it's got to be insured, right.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Well, I'm sure the transport has it. In short, they're
going to have to replace all of it.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Looks for them.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, that's that's not good. But they're insurance to take
care of it, so it should be all right. Nobody
wants my truck. That's a good That was a good
left over.
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two pros FSR and subscribe. Yeah, Brady likes his hair metal,
that's for sure. Big fan of hair metal. When he
(01:24):
was in town years ago, have you ever been to
the Rainbow Bar and Grill? No on on sunset? It
was like the old it's like right next to the
the the Whiskey or the Roxy one.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
One of my favorite gay bars.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
The Local Whiskey. It's actually not oh different one now, yeah,
the Rainbow.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
That was like I mean wild assumption. I mean I
get it. Geez sunset, Yeah, no, I get it. So
it's one of the I've never been to that that
spot you're talking about, but I have walked across the
walkways and stuff like that that were you know, I
used to live on like in between, Uh, what is
(02:06):
the sunset and what's the one below? Not mail Rose?
What's the one below where you know where the institute
is the big color building and got it the crosswalks
like it's something like mail Rose. It might be mail
Rose Rose.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
On the tip.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Whoa.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So the Rainbow Bar? What the Rainbow Bar and Grill
We used used to be the place that all the
hair metal bands back that they would go to and
so hair metal meaning the big hair like Guns and Roses, Poison.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
You know, like Brett Michaels and all of them.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And Brady loves that music. Like if you watch Oh
my God, so you watch November Rain, the Purple Rain,
you know the Guns of the white version November Rain,
the Guns and Roses song. If you look at the video,
it's like a long ass eight minute song. But in
the video it shows I'm at the Rainbow Bar and
Grill on Sunset and so Brady was out here one
(03:03):
time and I wanted to take him to the Rainbow
Bar and Grills. Hey man, like this is like you
grew up loving this music. This is where they would
all go, This is where they would all hang out.
And we went in there and he was mortified, like
you realize reality versus.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
You know what.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Let's one, I do not fit in this environment, like
this is not a place for me. And he's looking
around like, yeah, this is yes, this is what you
grew up watching, this is what you grew up listening to,
and you're finally here, and it was like I think
it's set in Yeah, that's not my world.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I am.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
I am far beyond this and uh and well past
this point in my life. So whenever I hear the
hair metal, just think of the rainbow bar and grill.
Not the place the rain it goes to, just the.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
The other one. It is, uh here Irona goes to
what was it called the Pink Pony Club.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
I was thin rumors was the one, and they have
a rainbow on their sign.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Not the Pink Pony Club.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
No, I haven't been there yet. Oh okay, my mama
would be proud.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
I don't even know if that is.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
No, Ye, we'll come back with that one.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, never heard of the Pink Pony Club. That doesn't
feel like.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
I don't even know if it's true that that's a
real place.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I don't even want to look it up.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
All I know is we used to take walks and
we walked down the hill to go get food because
it's a walking you know, walking district. And my kids,
my kids were like four years old, you know, five
years old, and we'd be walking and we realized very
(04:47):
quickly like we we had moved from Maryland Annapolis, which
you go walking downtown Annapolis, it's military families, you know,
the naval academy, like older people heading to their their
boats and stuff. Very traditional, very just super traditional. We'll say,
all right, then we move out to California. We're walking,
(05:10):
we're holding the hands of kids, and I hear hear
one of my kids go, hey, what are they doing?
And I turned and out looking it was two dudes walking,
old dads.
Speaker 6 (05:20):
Oh yeah, that was pers I think it might have been.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I looked at my wife and I thought to myself,
I was like, huh, how do I answer this one?
It's yeah, I mean I was like, I was like,
you know, people, people love each other and I feel safe.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Why would you move from Annapolis to off of Sunset?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I didn't choose where we Where we lived. It was
a dope ass crib and it was very centralized to
where I was working and where everything was. Like kind
of everything was going on, is what I would say. Well,
I enjoyed it, like to be honest with you, it
just you know, our family was growing, so we ended
(06:10):
up moving out and going out to the beach. We
realized that the Beach Cities was where we really wanted
to be after we'd lived here but not ever living
here and wanting to understand like you know the area,
which I don't even know how we got to this conversation,
but yeah, and and hair Metal, But we ended up
(06:30):
figuring out we wanted to be closer to the beach,
being walking distance of the beach versus walking distance of like,
you know, being off of sunset although on a Sunday
or a Saturday to be able to walk up to
sunset and go watch a game at the state the
state House state was it State Social or something like that, Like,
(06:51):
I forget what it's called, but there's that. Then the local, Uh,
what's the Irish bar that that is on Sunset? I
forget it, but it's been a while. But Players Club
no easy place to go watch Sunday games and great
place to go to breakfast. You've ever been to the Griddle?
You ever been to the Griddle?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Yeah, it's great. They got all sorts of fun stuff
over there.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Man, bro their pancakes are off the chain, Like you
could slap somebody to their death with one of them pancakes.
Bruh damn, yeah, you know how would they do the Yeah, man,
you slap somebody with a Griddle pancake. It's a rap,
it's a but it's so good. You might want to
try to put you on it while they hitting you
(07:34):
with it. It's a good point. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
By the way, for those of you that are just
now getting home from the Dodger game, congratulations, well done everybody.
Uh well, everybody listening on the blowtorch and five seventy
LA sports that are just waking up going uh yeah,
I really actually just did do that. I really just
sat through a six hour and forty minute game only
(07:59):
to see Eddie Freeman do what he did in the
World Series last year and walking off in the eighteenth inning, which,
by the way, they also played eighteen innings back in
twenty eighteen against the Red Sox. And I remember that
because I had an entire show. It was a Friday night,
I had an entire show planned, and the game was
still going on movement on the air. So I was like, okay,
(08:20):
well there goes that, you know, opening hour, and so
Dodger fans listening fired up. You win Game three, Game
four coming up later on tonight, Shoho Tani, after that
performance last night, which included two home runs, two doubles,
and five intentional walks, is going to be on the
mound pitching for the Dodgers with a chance to put
(08:42):
him up three games to one, as confirmed by manager
Dave Roberts after the game on Fox.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
You go catch your breath, but show he's good to
go tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Show he's good to go. Cramps and all he's going.
He's pitching, cramping out, cramping up, Stack it up, cramp
it up it so.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Fa and listen. I'm I brought it up earlier. I'm
just saying he was out there, he was cramping, He
was on base a lot. This is not your normal. Hey,
well the pitcher didn't pitch the night before in a
game like that, so he's going to be Shane Bieber
is going to be going for the Blue Jays. You know,
you don't have to worry about him running the bases
(09:22):
the previous night. I'm not saying that this is an
advantage for the Blue Jays, but I think it is
something to bring up. It's not like shoehe tan. He
didn't take part in that game last night or this morning,
depending on where you were watching or listening to it.
He was there for the entirety of it. He was
on base every single time, and now you're asking him
to go out less than twenty four hours later or
(09:43):
whatever it is later to go pitch and try and
put this team up three games to one. Like, it's
just it's it's a tall task. I think he's up
for it, but it is something to monitor if you're
if you're watching this game or you have any concerns
as a Dodgers fan.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Nah, there is that. Nah, let that ma and continue
to build his legacy in work history while hell yeah,
while the Dodgers marched one game closer to winning another
World Series. This would be his second World Series, right
second one? Yeah, last year? Yeah, yeah, I just I
(10:20):
think it's a great It's great for sports that he's
going on the mound today.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
You know, at what point do you think major League
Baseball would be like, like how many innings would you
need to get to and how many players would you
need to blow through before major League Baseball would be like, Eh,
it's getting a bit much. You know, maybe just keep
on rolling twenty.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
We only get this type of captive audience viewership once
a year. So even the idea of watching how long
that game lasted and how intense it was and how
competitive it was makes for a great storyline of what
the world series represents this year and then to come
(11:03):
off of a game that Showhy had in terms of
his production, in terms of a game that the Dodgers
was able to take a lead in the series with.
Now you're coming into another home game before they got
to go and and if you think about it, if
they went tonight, it's three to one, they're one game
(11:24):
away from winning the World Series.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I think they should be up three to one right now.
That was two nine in games last night. That game
should have counted as two wins. They should be they
should be four to one ure tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
But but here's the thing though, right this could be
the last game they play in LA before the season
is over.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Well, tomorrow they've got They've got the game tomorrow. So
they got three in LA and then two back in Toronto. Okay,
I saw that point. I thought this was the last
game coming up. They so in the LCS and the
World Series they do the two three two like so
where you've got.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
The two, but you got to win four games to
win it.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, they split in Toronto, so that the last night
or this morning gave them the two to one, and
then they can they can so.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
The home tea gets two home games, but the away
team gets three home games, and then it goes the
game six and second. Yeah, that seems strange to me.
I would feel like the last two games should be split,
like the one who gets the home field advantage should
I guess the way I guess the one three games
in a row is why they would get.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
So they use I think it was the NBA who
may have started this, Like I might have this wrong,
but the NBA started it, and their reasoning for it
was when it was like Lakers Celtics. You didn't want
if you went, you know, two games in Boston, two
in LA and then you went one and one and
then a game seven back in say Boston. They didn't
(12:49):
want people to have to fly back and forth coast
to coast like that, so they said, well, why don't
we just do two three two. The problem is if
you split one game like the Dodgers got game two
in Toronto, I mean, there's a chance Toronto never sees
their on field again.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, now that you said I said it that way,
I didn't realize that's what it was. So my apologies
on that inaccuracy. But still you get one game closer
to being at the end of the series, coming off
of the performance that he had in last night's game,
coming off of the performance that the Dodgers had in
last night's game, to announce him being the pitcher, like
(13:29):
he's going to be on the mound. You don't think
that that. I mean, as if you needed anything to
raise the stakes or make it more entertaining and watchable.
But with that being said, you added a whole lot
of lighter fluid to an already nice flame on the grill.
You are really cooking by putting showhead Tani and announcing
(13:50):
that he's going to be on the mound for tonight's game.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
And also on the same night when you're going against
Patrick Mahomes on Monday Night football. It stood up and
stood up, stood up, And that really is the conversation.
And I mean we talked about, you know, the Chiefs
beating the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
And you have nothing tonight. You're putting show Hey as
your lead, Like come see the world series, the Los
Angeles Dodgers, the Toronto Blue Jays and show hey a
Tani right.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Like we're gonna we're gonna dismiss Penguins Flyers.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yes, we are battles State yeah, we are going to
miss that.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
And we're Penguins fans. Yeah we are probably going to
miss that one. We're going to miss it. But yeah, no,
this is a real opportunity for them to strike while
the while everything is hot, and he's gonna if he
goes out there and lives up to it again. I mean,
he's got World Series MVP in the bag, like it's
you know, it's not even not even a conversation at
(14:51):
this point, even though Freddy Freeman hit the and yet
the other part of Freddy Freeman hit the walk off
last night, the other part of it as well too.
I don't think people understand the respect level you have
to have for somebody if you just put it into
these terms. Mookie Betts is going to be a first
ballot Hall of Famer. He's one of the great players
(15:13):
of his era. He's probably going to win a Gold
Glove at a position he hadn't played, I think since
high school or something like that. Like he's been phenomenal.
The guy's going to the Hall of Fame. He'll be
in Cooper's town the second he's eligible, and the best
teams in baseball are saying, we'd rather face that first
(15:35):
ballot Hall of Famer than have to deal with whatever
the hell Otani's doing. That is how good o'tani is
that you are saying to yourself, we'll take our chances
with a guy who's a first ballot Hall of Famer
because that assassin that's going before him is a problem.
We don't want to deal with. The Phillies did it
when Otani was one for seventeen. He couldn't hit anything.
(16:00):
He was in a terrible slump, and the Phillies are like,
we'll just walk him and load the bases and then
deal with the Hall of Fame or Mookie bets because
we don't want to. We don't even want to risk
the chance, even in a slump, to have to deal
with sho heyo Tani. I don't think people understand how
good this guy is until it's gonna be all said
and done and you look back and go, Jesus like
(16:23):
he was doing things we've never ever seen before, and
in real time, if you can learn to appreciate that
you're ahead of this whole thing. And watching him last
night get walked as many times intentionally, it's the first
time I thought to myself, oh, he like he's Bonds,
Like I haven't felt that up with Yeah, I haven't
(16:44):
felt up until that point. Because if you watch Bonds
in his prime, whether he was on the gas or not,
that guy was must watch because it was rare that
anybody gave him an opportunity to hit, because if he did,
he was gonna make an impact. And I watched Oughtani
last night and the Blue Jays finally said, all right,
we give up. He's Bonds. He he does things we've
(17:05):
never seen before. And we'd rather deal with Mookie Bets,
who's going to the Hall of Fame, than deal with
that guy.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
It's just crazy. Let's put you in incredible kind of
a no win situation. Yeah, you're you're somewhat in a
no win situation. So it's kind of that's like dealing
with those Yankees, you know, when they had Jeter and
had you know.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
A Rotten and to your point, that was the last
time anybody's gone back to back in the World Series.
It was twenty five years ago.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Listen, you were, you were in DC covering the Nationals
and all that talent.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Drosberg. They had both the Zimmerin's like they were loaded.
They had Bryce Harper.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
On that team, and they're nowhere close to this Dodgers team. Dang,
that's how that's how dominant.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
And how good they've been. So that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
And again the game just wrapped up about an hour ago,
so you know, hopefully they'll be ready to go. H
coming up later on tonight. By the way, it is
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Speaker 3 (19:25):
Make aough.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
You can't refuse Jonas, But who needs leftovers when you
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to the bakery Fox Sports, NFL College Football rules analysts.
Get him some bread, and you can get him on
X if you dare at Dean Blandino. Dean, good morning,
(19:48):
Good morning, Dean, good morning, guys.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
I don't get my week is always made one night.
Do you guys practice your your Marlon Brandow he just
really did really good. It's just cold and you go
right into it. You're like, I haven't done it all week.
I'm just going in, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
So here's a little behind the scenes on that. And
everything I tell you is I'm about to tell you
is true.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
All right.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
So my my brother Tyrone, he's white. Okay, I just
want to point that out.
Speaker 7 (20:16):
First, literally the first thing I say.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
Okay, okay, all right.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
So he's also deep.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
He's also he's also my godfather, and so growing up
I didn't understand. But he would always talk to me
in Marlon Brando's voice, and I never understood it, because
why did When he talks to me, it's different, and
he would he had the Marlon Brando and to this
day he still does it and he's got it down
to a t. So I've just picked it up over
the years because I've heard him talk to me like that.
(20:47):
Isn't my entire life so perfect? Yeah? Now I do.
Speaker 7 (20:51):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
I just took a little search on social media and decided,
you know, why do not? I just go ahead and
throw in NFL officiating on X and Giants fans are
pissed off because it appears that a wide receiver was
going to make a play, he had his arm grabbed
by an Eagles defender and that was called offensive PI.
(21:17):
Is that just a miss or? Is there a true
justification on that call as to why it went the
other way and not the way of defensive pass interference
when clearly there was a grab of the forum of
the wide receiver.
Speaker 7 (21:31):
Well, look, I didn't love the call. I think I
see what the officials saw. I think you watched Slayton.
He what they're looking for is they're looking for the
receiver to put, you know, extend his arms into the
body of the defender, create that space. But whenever you've
got a receiver and a defender, they're both kind of
hand fighting. The dB there he's grabbing Slayton. Clayton's trying
(21:54):
to get off of that contact, and you're going to
give the receiver the ability to do that. Now he can't,
he can't take two hands and shove and clearly foul
himself even though he's he's being grabbed. But that, that
to me was not I think it was. I think
it was. I've scene worse calls, but but you know,
(22:15):
in that game, we saw worse calls. But but that
was that was definitely one that I didn't see. I
didn't see that an offensive past the appearance.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Dean, let me ask you about the phenomenon of being
able to punch the ball out. It's become a thing
they teach it. But I think what people may not
be realizing and what they may not be seeing, is
there is also the times where there's a miss and
and now I'm starting to see where when they're punching
(22:44):
for the ball, they may punch them unintentionally, they may
punch them somewhere else other than where the ball is
and locating the ball. Do you see this potentially becoming
a point of emphasis that in terms of what maybe
the competition could he looks at or what the referees
are looking at if they don't hit the ball like
I saw a player. I think it might have been
(23:06):
a quarterback too. I could be wrong, but I could
My recollection is a little little off on it. But
he got punched right in the head, like punched him
like straight in the head. But you could tell he
was trying, he was going for the tackle to punch
the ball out. Does that become a conversation at any point?
Speaker 7 (23:24):
Absolutely? And I think it has been a conversation in
the past, but I think that conversation is going to
get more serious this offseason because because I'm like you,
I'm seeing a lot of it. And obviously this is
this is a tactic that you think about, right, Peanut Tillman,
the peenut punch, and I mean this this works. I mean,
(23:45):
this is how many? How many turnovers are do we
see every week every in the NFL where it's because
you know, a defensive players punching that ball out and
it's and they're and they're not perfect, right, it's not
always hitting the football. But I think that's it's really
hard at full speed with the officials to say, okay,
(24:06):
well he didn't get all ball. Maybe he got part
of the ball or did he you know, I think
it would have to be blatantly obvious. And sometimes on
film we're seeing that where he just misses and ends
up hitting him, whether it's in the head or the body.
I think that's definitely going to be a conversation. I
don't know if the league would say, hey, if it's
not all ball, we're going to penalize, because again, it's
tough because we know what the intent is, but sometimes
(24:30):
the intent and what happens are two different things, and
I think that's definitely gonna be something the Competition Committe looks.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
At Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here on FSR. Aaron
Rodgers had a bit of a red ass on Sunday
night because he and he's done this throughout the course
of his career. We're on his hard count. He'll get
a team to jump and then it's a free play
and he'll just throw downfield, and apparently it looked like
(24:57):
it worked, and so he operated it is if all right,
I'm going to get the call here and it's a
free play, and as it turns out, there was no
flag throwing. What goes on in that situation when it
appears that clearly he's offside? Is it on the center
to snap the ball immediately to get that call or
how does that conversation go with officials?
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Yeah, well you have two officials that are both on
on either ends of the you know, either sideline, and
they're looking right down line of scrimmage, so they're responsible
for for the line of scrimmage fall start off side.
Those types of things who's in the neutral zone. And
then so when you have that and Aaron Rodgers, you know,
he's one of the best, and that to me, it
(25:39):
was the fouls they were they were in the neutral
zone you had. I think it was Micah Parsons and
one of the other you know, I think the defensive
lineman jumped early. And as an official, what you're looking
for is we always tell officials if the defensive players
crowding the line of scrimmage, any any movement forward before
the snap, put them in the nutrient zone, right because
(26:01):
you can't like you can't sit there and say, well,
he was like he was an inch into the nutrient zone,
versus not if their crowding the neutral zone, they're crowding
the ball, any forward movement before the snap put them
in it's offside. And so the visual has to say, Okay,
are they crowded the new zone or off Sometimes you know,
maybe they're off the ball. Maybe it's a you know,
in a two point I'm off the ball and I
(26:23):
have a little leeway to move forward. You know, I'm
trying to anticipate the snap count. On that one, I
thought they were crowding, crowding the ball, they jumped should
have been a free play. Obviously, like you said, Iron
was not happy, and rightfully so because that should have
been off side.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Let me ask you about the Toush push situation. You know,
to me, hey, I get fired up, Dean, and I know,
I know you're so tired. I know it's so so tiring. Well,
we got such a different perspective of it this weekend,
more so than I've ever seen, and they I just
(27:00):
found it to be curious. The touch push is based
off of pushing through the forward progress. If you ask me,
like if you were to say what makes the touch
push special, it's that moment where force meets force and
there's a stop. There's a pause almost and to me,
that's the stopping of forward progress. But the idea of
(27:24):
continuing the push and knowing that you've given the offense
the opportunity to try to continue or re establish that
forward progress is what the touch push to me, in essence,
has become like get in there, push, Okay, there's the melee.
Continue to push, and that continued push is when you
(27:46):
get the results in this game against the Giants that
took place and they blew it dead.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
You blow it dead.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
And for once you see the defense actually with that
continued forward progress that that re establishes itself. Thibodeau knocks
the ball out. It's a that should have been a
touch push play. They got to the quarterback, they dislodged
the ball. It's a fumble, a fumble recovery, and they
(28:17):
get stopped on the touch push and it's a turnover
because of a fumble. But yet it's blown dead.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
What was your like, what was.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Your take on it?
Speaker 7 (28:26):
Like?
Speaker 3 (28:26):
How do they blow it dead on that one? On
forward progress? But in most cases they just allow them
to keep pushing? How does that work?
Speaker 7 (28:34):
You're you're absolutely right that that play is, like you said,
that is based on pushing through that initial contact. And
the way this play is being officiated now it's like
it is literally unstoppable, Like it's already they're already so
good at it. Then now you can move early. Now, well,
(28:55):
we're not gonna We're gonna let you push through the
full progress and if hurt sends up in the end zone,
it's a touch down. But if the defense ends up
with the ball, we're going to rule forward progress. And
in that one, and you know we've talked about this
this I hate to say, this is an impossible play
to officiate because there's there's short yardist plays that happened
without push push and without all the other crap, and
(29:16):
so that's the play that you you cannot blow that dead.
You cannot do that that an official himself would tell you,
I screwed that up. Hurts is pushing forward, he's reaching
the ball out. Tippoteau makes a great play. It's it
was out in space. Everybody could see it. It wasn't
like it was in the middle of the pile. That
should have been a fumble. That should have been a fumble,
(29:38):
should have been Giants ball. And it's just again this
either we got officiated correctly or we got to get
rid of whatever has to happen, because this is happening
a lot, and it's not we're not making stuff up
at this point. It's like there are real issues with
with this play and the league has to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
What's your gut, because it does feel like this this
is going to be out of here in the off season,
that they're going to figure out a way because if
it's too difficult to officiate, it was already a close
call last last year when they were voting on it,
it feels like, you know, we're we're in the final
stretch round of.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
This play Yeah, that's that's where I'm at too. It
just feels like, Okay, they're they're whatever, whatever evidence is
needed to finally get this thing out is we've got
just two eight weeks of the season. We've got enough now. Again,
like we talked about, nothing happens rest of the way
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the playoffs and everything's great, nobody says nothing. The uproar,
you know, kind of get a little quieter. Sure, but
I think it's at this point. My gut says they're
going to get rid of it. They just got to
figure out, you know, what that rule is going to
look like, how the officials are going to officiate the pushing.
What do you want to do? Do you just want
(30:56):
to get rid of the toush push or do you
want to get rid of all of it pushing the
runner down field in the pile, those types of things.
So my gut is, I agree, I think it's gone.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Dan. I also observed rid zone rid zone plays where
it's almost like, how how are the referees approaching pis
in the rid zone because It's like, I've seen them
call pass interference against the offense on the picks, but
(31:31):
what I'm not seeing, which I believe, is an unfair
advantage to the offense where it's a two way win.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
One.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
They're pushing, they're pushing off of they're they're like almost
like hitting like a slant, a shallow slant, and they're
pushing into the coverage and then breaking back out, and
if that defender does anything to try to offset the push,
they call PI. Yeah, But to me, it's like, Okay,
(32:05):
if you're pushing him, is it the rid zone that's
making it difficult or making it so that the referees
are like, yeah, he pushed them, and that should be
offensive pass interference Cause in reality, it's really no different
than the pick play that another guy would come and
kind of looks like it's a block, but he's kind
of pushing the guy and he gets caught on him.
(32:28):
If it's the receiver himself doing it, are they looking
at that and saying, Okay, well, he's not five yards
off of the ball. He's more like two or three
yards off of the ball. It's the rid zone, so
we're not going to call the offensive guy for a
pass interference, but if that defender grabs him and it
now becomes a tussle, a fight between the two of them,
(32:50):
which I thought that the referees are supposed to allow
them to let that go, but they're calling it like
that was a call that kind of bailt the Dallas
Cowboys out with C. D Lamb in that moment. So
he gets to catch, and it's it's either a positive
thing where you get a Touchdow or if you don't
get it, it's still a pass interference and you get
(33:11):
a new set of downs. Like how does that work?
Speaker 8 (33:14):
Yeah, I mean those are hard plays to officiate, and
I agree, and whether we just you see it more
in the red zone and good team, good offensive play callers.
Speaker 7 (33:25):
You know, they do a great job of those rub routes,
of those you know where we always tell the officials
right that that receiver has to be in a route
running posture that they can't you can't square up and block,
you can't initiate that contact. Obviously, you can't set a pick,
you know, beyond the yard from the line of scripts,
(33:45):
those types of things. But they are He's are very
good at. Like you said that that slant where you're
driving inside on the defender and almost forcing him with
your body to go inside, and then you try to
cut back outside and that DB's will managers going one
way and now ship I grabbed, and and and you're
getting that call on the defense. So it's a really
hard play to officiat. But there there there has to
(34:08):
be that recognition from the official because every every eligible
receiver has an official assigned to them initially based on
where they're aligned. And then and then, and especially in
the red zone, you know, there's less switches because sometimes
when receivers are running around and grounds and they cross
one official may have that official at the start of
the play, but then they switch because of where that
(34:29):
route ends up. In the red zone, because everything is
so compact, you have less switches because you want to
stay with and especially in man coverage press, you want
to stay with that receiver because you can't miss anything.
So it's just a hard play to officiat and and
and typically when they do see that that defender grab,
that's when you're going to get the flag down for holding.
But there has to be that cause and effect idea
(34:52):
where okay, why is that dB at a disadvantage because
he's beams driven inside and that has to be part
of it too, where you give that guy a little
more leeway because of what the receiver's doing.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Dean last one for me. So this came out, I
was curious to get your thoughts on it. Ken Williamson,
who's the SEC official who was suspended for the remainder
of the season because he had a he had a
bad game. I think there was like nine or eleven
you know calls at the SEC acknowledge were bad calls?
Uh in the Auburn Georgia game. What how do you
(35:22):
get to that? Like, like, like, how do you get
to and I don't recall this happening in the NFL,
but how do we get to Hey, it was so bad,
this guy suspended for the rest of the year. And
I think he's also retiring at the end of the
year if I'm not mistaken. So that's a rap on
his career. But how do we get to that point
(35:43):
in the NFL and in college?
Speaker 7 (35:45):
Well, before I answer, I just will say, you guys
are on it today. I don't know, Like, what's the
one thing that you know?
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (35:54):
See, the questions are like great, and I mean, I
don't know what Brady's did. I hope everything's okay, but
he just like tired, he stick because of all the
blowouts they have to work.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
Good.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Generally, let Brady do the show when he's here, we
just support him. But when they're just me and Jonas
is black and drag and we just kind of we
just try to do what we do. You know, we
actually we actually have talent, but we just allowed you know,
Q to do what he does.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
He doesn't give you guys a chance to shine because
he never shuts up.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
But anyway, now we're okay, Well, you know it's good,
that's funny as hell.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
How does it get to that point? It's a great question.
And look, this, this is this is something I've struggled
with in my career when I was at the NFL
and I was in charge of the officials, because you
don't want to officials get graded and on everything every
decision they make, and those grades affect their postseason assignments
and they affect eventually whether they come back the following year.
(36:56):
So there is that accountability and you you got to
be careful with. Okay, guys, this is a PI call.
We're going to suspend them or we're gonna we're going
to find because those are just judgment calls. It's like
every time the player drops the drops the pass, it's
not like you're going to cut that player. I understand
over time, players get cut, coaches get fired, get it.
So I think there's something deeper than with this particular official,
(37:19):
where it's not just the one game. You know, and
and and this was probably something over time where and
typically that's not it's not a judgment thing, it's a
misapplication of a rule. It's something that that should not happen,
and it happened. And I think this was probably behind
the scenes. I think the fact that he was retiring
(37:39):
at the end of the year might have had something
to do with it as well. But but it was unusual.
You don't hear that where we're an official is suspended
for the rest of the year for something that is
that is the football part of it all. They have
the same conduct policies and and you know, we find
and fired officials for stuff off the field, but but
(38:00):
on the field, it was unusual.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Dean always appreciate it. We will do it again next
week and we'll send uh, We'll send Brady your regards,
all right, thank your boss. It's the Great Dean Blandino
with us here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll clip that
and save it for Brady when he returns. All right,
So coming up next here on Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe, we're going to close up shop with
the leftovers here on FSR.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 4 (39:14):
Here's the left.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Over all right, Larray Ray, what do we got? All right?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Jonas? I know how much you love your truck. Now,
could you imagine you ordered a brand new range Rover
and as it is being shipped to you, it is
stolen during transport. That's what happened to.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Shack really, and his was probably totally fully customed.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
It valued at one hundred and eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
How that happened?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It's funny. The shipping the transportation company says that they
were hit by a cyber attack. I don't understand that's
how they lost it. They were hit by a cyber attack.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
So so somebody.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Okay, I feel like it was an inside job if
you ask me. That's a little too like, oh, this
is a big car, a big client cyber hap But.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
How are they transporting. They're transporting on like a flatbed
right right, They're just taking it.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
So what but maybe they got the information they didn't
give a lot of details. They're just offering a ten
thousand dollars reward for thousand.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Thousand range Rover.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
For a hundred thousand plus car. Yeah, you better offer
me more than that.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I mean, he hasn't even driven it yet. That would
make the value go up more.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, I don't know how pissed would you be though?
Like you guys, I mean today he's going to replace it.
Everything's going to be replaced.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I mean it's got to be insured, right.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Well, I'm sure the transport has it. In short, they're
going to have to replace all of it.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Looks for them.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, that's that's not good. But they're insurance to take
care of it, so it should be all right. Nobody
wants my truck. That's a good That was a good
left over.
Speaker 2 (40:45):
Thank you, Thank you tasty.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
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