December 17, 2025 • 41 mins
In Hour 3 of the show today, the guys chat with Petros Papadakis on the recent Sherrone Moore business, TJ Watt's lung debacle, have some fun with the Leftovers, and more!
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And right now we welcome in a Wednesday tradition here
on the show. He is Petros Papadakis. He is the
co host of the Petros and Money Show that you
can hear on the blow Torch and five seventy LA
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sports Fox college football analysts and you can get them
on x at the oldp Petros.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Good morning, good morning, hello to everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Hi Petros, Hello LaVar, how you doing. I'm all right,
all right, good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We have it on authority that this is the most
famous Greek Christmas carol.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Is that correct? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I think it's a Kalanta Christugan christugan on Christ.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I knew I screwed that up.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We said it way wrong, son of a bitch, but
we did want to wish you and yours America Christmas.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Christmas isn't as huge in Greece. It's more of an Easter.
I mean, they like Christmas, but Easter is more of
their biggest holiday.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh really, yes, no kidding? Interesting is that, Petros?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't know, but Greek Easter is always a little
bit different than Greek Easter.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Auviy jeezus.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Greek Easter is sometimes different than what we would call
American Easter.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Or is it the same time, same date?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It could be, but oftentimes it's on a different date
because the Catholic Church changed the calendar of the equinox
and the Orthodox Church work.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So what happened? No, no, not, it's oh not the
equinox where you Joe. It has something to do with
the moon and all that you can't.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Jesus was Jewish, okay, and Jesus followed Jewish tradition and
the Last Supper was passover, so basically the Last Supper
where Jesus called out the betrayer Judas and the whole deal,
and then he went to the Garden of Gsemine and
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the whole stations of the Cross and everything ensue from there.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's Passover.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So so where does Honica fall into all of this, Well.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Hanka is a different Jewish holiday that they celebrate around
this time of year.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But the point, my.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Point is is sometimes in the Catholic calendar, or what
you would call the Universal Christian calendar outside the Orthodox Church,
you have Passover after Easter or Passover sometimes on the
same weekend as Easter, and you can't kill Jesus until
after Passover because of the Last Supper and all that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So the.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Orthodox calendar still sticks with the old way and you
have to have Easter after Passover and Passover.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Isn't Passover connected to like the marking on the door
and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yes, Passover is connected to the Old Testament story of
the Jews leaving egypts Okay, all right, the first horns horns, Yeah,
marking on the door, bitter bread and if you don't
have the mark on the door, that baby's up out
of there, right, correct?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Kind of what? Right? All right? All right?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The in laws did Tamali's and Pasoli and it's really good.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It was really good.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Is there any Greek traditional specialties during the holidays?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
During Easter or Christmas? Is on the topic? Not that
I can think of at five in the morning. No,
not on the West coast. Have you been have you
been to the place where you can watch the cosm?
Have you? Have you been to cosm?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I have not been to cosm, but I have been
to church on h on Christmas?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Okay, which is nice. Are you Are you going to
watch the college football playoff?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah? Yeah, it's kind of part of my job. Which
which which one are you most That doesn't mean you're
going to watch it?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You and I both know that. Now, which one are
you going to be more? Most interested in? Watching? Petros?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I guess if JM you can make it a game
or Tulane can make a game out of it, and
all this argument about the mid major teams, I guess
I'd be into watching those. I want to see if
if those two teams can do a little something. Now,
I've seen Oregon play, and I've seen Shambless play.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And all that, and I know.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It's a tall order and we've literally seen Old Miss
and Tulane play in Oxford already.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
This year, so that didn't go so well.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But I'd like to see those games be competitive so
we can stop talking about how the mid majors don't
belong and try to get Texas and.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Freaking Notre Dame in the playoff. But does that stop it?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Petros, Like, does it really stop the conversation?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Really? Nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
They find excuses like if if somebody gets an upset,
one of these mites gets an upset, doesn't it have
to almost Like, here's the lose lose situation. If if
a min makes it and wins it all, it's like
it was a fluke. It's a one time thing. It's
not sustainable. If they don't win it at all, it's
a fluke. It's not they shouldn't be here because they're
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not good enough to be able to win it. I
feel like that's going to be the narrative one way
to the other, if one of the smaller schools is
able to have that large a measure of success during.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
The play Yeah, we've twisted ourselves into a pretzel in
our jobs, and everybody can explain anything however they want.
We've come to a point in our society where the
media just sits there and lies to you. Bold faced
on one side or the other, and everybody just accepts
it and finds a.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Way to explain their way through anything.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
So I think you're absolutely right they'll be excuses, but
I don't like people trying to since I live basically
all year long in college football obscurity, and I know
that the LA Bowl look bad with Boisy getting killed
by the Big Ten team Washington, but I don't like
to see a lot of college football, half of college
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football being told that they don't belong whatsoever, and I'd
like to see that at least somehow rectified a little
bit in this playoff, but it's hard to imagine that
it will be. I'm interested in all the games. I'm
interested to see what Miami can do. I'm interested to
see how all of it plays out. I think it
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should be pretty exciting. But last year the College Football
Playoff was helped tremendously by the fact that people were
rooting for Notre Dame, and Notre Dame played four games
in the College Football Playoff, which helped out their ratings,
I think, and helped out their national interest. And this
year they don't have that, So I don't know what
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direction it'll take, but I think it'll.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Be interesting and it'll be fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I mean, we've seen Oklahoma play Alabama already. Yeah, I
guess Ty Simpson's back is okay. After all those rumors
that he needed a back, theotomy in Alabama kept it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm not to say I need a back otomy.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, come on, smoke with old green ash, smell for
the back, give me some of.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Your sweetish sima.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I got my bar out come old Son, So so
we'll we'll see.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I liked John Mattier for the Heisman at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Of the year before he hurt his hand and then
became kind of human again, So all of those games
will be interesting. But I do not that I need
a Cinderella in my life. But I'd like to see
the Dukes take it to the Ducks. I know they won't,
and i'd like to see the Green wave. Actually, I'm
a little conflicted about Old miss because of the way
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things have played out with Lane Kiffen and all the
bickering back and forth, and all the anger and the
shame and disdain and the yoga teacher's bitterness.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
But I don't like the idea that no one belongs
because Sark has pissed that kind of stuff and all
the weird lobbying after the fact and all the finger pointing.
It is kind of funny that we didn't think anybody
he would care about the thirteenth team being out, but
people do care quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Patris Papadegus joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So
we were having the discussion earlier about Kurt Signetti, who wins,
you know, Coach of the Year for first time ever
in consecutive years in college football. And when you see
what he's done at a program that was that bad,
there's got to be universities, athletic directors boosters around the
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country that are looking at their coaches going, how can
he do it?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
But you can't.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And if you just kept it local with whether Lincoln
Riley or whoever you wanted to throw in there, there
it is right like. That's and so you see what
Signetti's done and just the run that he's on.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
And Rincoln Riley's the real parallel because that's the one
thing about Indiana that people don't realize or haven't realized,
and that is that Indiana has a lot of money,
right like, so the second Franklin got fired.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And the second that.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
They locked them up exactly, and they wouldn't be able
to do that if they didn't have a whole bunch
of money. I'm not saying they paid a bunch of players,
although they got right.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
To go there.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I mean essentially last year he built the team from
the Sun Belt team that he was coaching in JMU,
and he brought a bunch of those guys over, much
like on a smaller scale, the guy from New Mexico,
Jason Ack. I mean, New Mexico is football purgatory. If
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New Mexico is football death, you had Mike Moxley, you know,
in a fistfight with with an assistant coach getting fired,
you had Barack. Though that's true, but I mean if
you look at New Mexico, they've had like two or
three winning seasons in the last forty years. I mean
New Mexico football has been death. And this guy Jason
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Eck from Idaho, of all places, and if you've ever
been to Moscow, Idaho, which is right across the border
from Washington State, that is not I mean, they used
to be FBS, but that is not a big program.
They're an FCS school. They play in a barn called
the Kibbi Dome. And that guy brought his son the
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best defensive player, linebacker, and he brought a quarterback, and
he brought a couple other players, I think the center
and like a third string running back. He brought a
bunch of guys from Idaho and almost won the Mountain
West and turned that thing around and won more games
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than anybody's done at New Mexico in decades. And he
did it with a bunch of players from an FCS school,
and Signetti did it with a bunch of guys from JMU,
and then it's kind of.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Built it from there, which is crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And the one thing you say the parallel is Indiana
has a whole bunch of money and they're able to
Once they got the thing rolling, they were able to
support it financially and keep everything in place. And the
one thing you can say about USC the parallel locally
is like, what's wrong with you? Why haven't you done
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anything like this? This guy's dominated the Big ten And
you could say USC's got a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They have the ability to lock.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
People up, they have the ability to keep things going,
they have the ability to pay players. Why haven't you
been able to turn this around. And obviously it's leadership.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And the personnel on the on the.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Coaching staff, and Signetti is put a lot of pressure
on a lot of people, and he's shown that it
doesn't matter somehow the modern times for a lot of
these schools, what the logo on the helmet says, if
you can build something and build belief and get the
thing growing and rolling, it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Can be successful.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
And it puts a lot of pressure on people like
Lincoln Riley or people that have been sitting there and
peeing in your face and telling you it's raining and
we're so close and will never be this bad again.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh my god, we're really good. We had a great
season and all this.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
No, you need to make the college football playoff if
you're a blue blood to have a good or great season,
and USC's not there, They're not close to being there.
They got dominated by organ when it was all said
and done. So I think you're absolutely right. I think
it puts a tremendous amount of pressure on people. But
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like LeVar said, there's always some excuse. There's always somebody
that's going to twist themselves in a pretzel and tell
you what you're looking at, even though it's obvious that
you're looking at something else.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We're talking to Petros Papadakis, the legendary.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
The old team.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Do you think that Signetti could pull that off at USC?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Well, that's an interesting question because any place that has success,
any place that's like all in on football, has the
same components. And I kind of always liking it to
the Bob Stoops era at Oklahoma when they had it
going for so long and had a Heisman winner every
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year and all that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And it's really.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Because the ad the president of the school, and the
head coach are all.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
On the same page.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
They're all focused on one thing and going forward with
kind of a narrow view of what football success means
to the region and the university.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Whether that's right or wrong. That's usually the parallel.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And at I don't even think they've have a university
president that they've hired yet, they still have an interim president.
They've been messed up in that regard president and ad
wise not really aligned with the head coach for quite
some time. So unless you have the full structure, and
I'm sure you understand this very well, of our coming
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from Penn State, unless you have the full structure all
moving in the right direction for success with football, then
you don't really have the components to make it last,
if you know what I mean. And USC doesn't have that,
they just don't have it. And a lot of these
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schools don't have it because there's a conflicted agenda. And
rightfully so, I mean, some of these university presidents, the
old chancellor.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
People act like those agendas don't exist, especially sometimes when
you call out the detail of the hit and agendas.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But go ahead, I'd digred just well you am I getting.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
A chancellor or a university president or somebody like that
that doesn't care as much about football or things that
football maybe shouldn't belong in an academic society, and this
and that, and there's a lot of different philosophical things.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's kind of what.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Makes college football cool, though, is that all the universities
are different. They all have different personalities, they are all
regionally unique, they all have a very different kind of
set of values relative to where they are and who
they are and who they adhere to or whether they're
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a state university or private, and all of these different things. So,
I mean, that's what kind of makes college football fun.
It makes everything so different. It makes a Jacksonville State
game last night interesting if you just look up a
little of the history of it and find that part
of it interesting. There's a lot of minution to get
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involved in. Then we just don't really have proot ball.
Pro football is great because of the uniformity and the
excellence of it and the precise nature of how you
have to be in the NFL to have success, and
college football is not really like that. It's it's much
more of a throw the spaghetti at the wall kind
of situation. And even when it's a mess like it
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is right now, I think that's part of something that.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Attracts us to it.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Petres, we haven't spoken to you since the sher Own
More mess blew up and all the datils and stories
came out. What was your read on that whole fiasco
and the details and things that took place afterwards?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
My read on it was I was so surprised, And
like we said, I live most of the year in
football obscurity. So unless it's happening at Fresno or something
you know, I probably don't know about it, or unless
it's some problem that Scott Frost has at UCF. But
I was surprised, so deeply surprised about how many people
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that knew about it already, right, Like all of these
people that I knew were like, oh yeah, did they
get them with the chick?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
The girl?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Oh yeah, and the abortion, And it's like what wait,
what tang? You know, I didn't know that like this.
I found out about Sharon Moore when everybody else found
out looking at their phone.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That day and then kind of watch it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Imagine me in the door, imagine me in the door,
dash driver. Wait a second, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You know, like coach Moore, all of these all of
these people, all of my colleagues seemed to know about
it since like September.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
And they had to have no known because at the
end of the day, I was thinking about that. It's like, Okay,
you send a Plan B and your name is on
the on the receipt, but that doesn't mean that that's
your chick. That doesn't mean that you're sending that for you.
It could be for one of your players. Is it
a stocking stuff? It could it could have been for
anything or anybody. Like coaches do what they need to
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do for their their players from time to time.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean no, I agree with that. You did what
I'm saying, so, yeah, had about information. Yeah, it had
to be.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
The information had already started to circulate for that to
even be a bridge that you could connect and cross
and be like, all right, hey man, hey.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Coach them a little short on cash. I mean, you
are different a plan.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
B Hey, brouh, hey, brouh. You be surprised how many
coaches have helped players.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
With Now He's right about you.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Be surprised how many coaches have helped players with situations
like this one.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
It's not the only coach it's ever Believe you me
visited the clinic of Demuher exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And that's not me. That's not me. I'm not on
that list.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I'm just saying I know a lot of guys who
are that that had to get help on situations like this.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
A couple of things occurred to me when it comes
to this situation. First of all, very unique to have
a guy lose his mind like that and end up
getting detained and having a knife and kitchen shears and
alleged knives.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Though he wanted to really torture himself to the end.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Threatening her life, threatening his life. All of these things
that was very unique, and that's something we haven't seen before.
But as far as a coach having a relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
With an underling or somebody in.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
The use another one, Yeah, I thought back to my
own situation, and I could think of maybe seven over
the years that I was at se seven different coaches
that were involved with with somebody else, and how blatantly
obvious it was to everybody, and how disgusting it was
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to play.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I mean, players see that stuff in real time.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And you sit there in a meeting and the coach
sits there and tells you that your family and we
treat each other like family, and we are together and
we're we're adherent towards each other and all of those
words that we use in college football. And then you
turn around and your coach is having sex with a
soccer intern or something.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Oh I took it a little literally, right, a little
bit too literally.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
And you see the family, you know, coming out at
the spring game and everybody's high fiving, and the soccer
intern is on the other side of the field hiding,
and there's all kinds of tension and everybody knows it
and all that that's happened way too many times in
my college career, to mention, and I've seen the university
cover things up, and I've seen, you know, before the internet,
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a lot of this stuff happened, so that part of
it did not surprise me in the least. That's something
that happens in college football all the time. And I
can think about all these different instances of times where
I wasn't in the dark, like I was the road
board situation and knew what was going on. The unique
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part about it is the meltdown in the after.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
That was the most unique part of it. He could
have got through it, That's the thing about it. Like
within the ranks of coaching, he could have got through.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He still probably will get through it. He's thirty nine.
You know, America loves to comeback. I'm not doing the comeback.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
But I'm not saying he'd be the coach at Michigan
again or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But I don't think his life is ruined. Yeah, I know,
Y R.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Clark said he failed the entire black community. Yeah, listen,
you know, according to Ryan, I don't feel like he
failed me. But you know, it is what it is. Yeah,
I feel like I am a part.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Of the black people black, But if I was, I'd
be very uncomfortable with Ryan Clark speaking.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
For Yeah, like you, he's doing the Bobby Patrino comps
like that's the only one.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh, he's doing a great job of getting people pulling
people's emotional course.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Yeah, at least Bobby Patrino didn't hold a butter knife
to anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He did it to himself. And that's the standard.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Like, Hey, it's okay to ruin your life and your
family and cheat and ruin somebody else's life and ruin
everything and only think about the moment, as football is
often a problem is you only think about the moment
because that's so much of what the sport is.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And that's fine. All of that's good.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Uh, as long as you don't threaten anybody's life in
the after.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I will I will say I do believe, if if
my research and memory serves me correctly, he did not
threaten her.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
He basically told her that her I think he said
he was going to kill a boat. He was going
to make her what I think the lawyer.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I think the lawyer said that he said, you're going
to watch me.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
His lawyer or her lawyer. I believe it was her
lawyer cuter. I believe it was her lawyer. She's going
to go civilly after Michigan too, oh one.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
So they're going to have to pay their way out
of this, and Michigan's got plenty of money to pay
their way out of this and keep their football program
together as well.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, but I wouldn't want to see somebody die by
you know you butter knives and scissors.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, you guys were Petros was talking about to do
it about the coaches he do that had I completely
forgot about this moment until you mentioned it. But I
can remember being a busboy at TGI Fridays after I
graduated high school and seeing my former coach or assistant
coach sitting with a girl at the booth and cleaning
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the table right next to them that we went to
high school.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
With, just thinking, Wow, it's like that.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So that's that's what coach was doing, was going down
at a TGI Friday. Do you want to be depressed me?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
They all right, well, you know, more motsticks and everybody,
have a good time. Another button on the vest, fourteen pieces,
you don't make it fifteen just for coach?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, Petros always appreciating get him on x at the
old p co host of the Petros and Money showing
a five to seventy LA Sports Fox college football analyst
and our good friends.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So we'll do it again next week. Thanks, thank you
great today. I guess like the song. By the way,
I ever wanted to try an Olympic and Paralymics.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Are you guys working next week? Or yeah, we'll be
here on Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah? What's Wednesday? Is that Christmas Eve? Yeah? I'll be
here on Christmas Eve? You're gonna be here, Petricks, are
you traveling? You get plans? I'll be in town. I
don't work that day, but I guess I'll work for
you guys if you want.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I'd love to have you. Yeah, of course that'd
be nice to have you on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
All right? So there he is a little out of
it this time of day. Yeah, so are we? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
We just in your third out trying to figure it out.
Go figure try to be out of it going the
first too real.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Out here man.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
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forgot about that scene seeing the girls sitting with our
coach in the booth at TJ Fridays. My buddy worked
with me and we were on the team together, and
(27:08):
I just be like, hey, you see coach showing so
sitting in the booth. He goes, wait, don't you know her?
I was like, yes, I sure do. That's a man.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Good for them, you know, that's why you have their
social media back then, No, no, I thought they might
have been talking about social media business or something. You know,
that was a problem that maybe they were talking about recruiting.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
They looked like they saw a ghost when they saw
me walk by, because they knew.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
It doesn't make that doesn't make sense though, the sea
a ghost, Like you can't be out in public if
you're not ready to be seen out in public.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I think that's the thing about it, Like.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
There's a lot of denying going on when everybody kind
of knew what was happening.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But hey, it's pretty common man.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
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bizarre situation that took place in the world of football
about a week ago.
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So we're talking about this a little bit during the break.
(31:20):
Something about the TJ. Watts story, other than the improbable
way in which you would collapse as long with those
tiny needles, something about it just still doesn't seem right.
It didn't seem right in real time, and Mike Tomlin
was asked about it yesterday and really tried to distance
himself from the entire thing. Well, he just like it
(31:41):
was basically, I have no information. I was in the
back there. I don't know if he's going to be
available for this week I don't know if he's even
in the facility yet, Like he knows nothing, like knows
nothing about it, doesn't even know if the guy's in
the building, like knows nothing about it. And it just
it feels like he almost recognizes there was a screw
(32:01):
up here clearly, and I don't want my name anywhere
involved in any of this stuff. Like it almost reminds
me of when the deflate gates stuff came out, and
Belichick basically at one point just said, listen, you got
to talk to tom Like this is not my problem,
Like you got to talk to some and TJ. Watson
maybe the best player on your team, and you don't
(32:25):
even know if he's in the building. You've like have
like no information that's the best player on your team, yes,
and you don't know if he's in the building. I
have no idea. I don't know if he's in the facility.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I don't know when.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Maybe we'll get more answers later this week. I don't
know this availability yet. That's the whole The handling of.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
It is just bizarre, and it's like, well, I don't
know about you, Jonas, but what I will say is.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You don't want.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Something to come out where his career is altered forever
and you had something to do with it. I'll give
you a name that that kind of is interesting because
they kind of played the same They did play the
same position pretty much, Greg Lloyd. And when Greg Lloyd,
I want to say it was was it his knee
(33:15):
was getting ate up by he got a staff infection,
and I believe it. I want to say it happened
in Pittsburgh. I don't want to misspeak, hold on because
it could have been Carolina. I do not want to misspeak,
but I believe Greg Lloyd, like what really kind of
derailed him and his career was a staff infection that
(33:41):
that took place.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I want to say why he was still in Pittsburgh.
It was November of ninety seven that I'm seeing here.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, after an injury in ninety seven as a Steeler.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, and he was never the same. And so.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
If you've inflicted an injury on TJ. Watt in your
medical room and it impacts him for the rest of
his career, that's bad. Look, that's that's a very very
I mean, that's a new that's a new that's probably
(34:22):
a new you know athletic, you know trainer team.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You're gonna have to blow it out. Oh yeah, it's
the rat. Yeah. Well you remember there.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Was uh like, who's up in here doing dry needling anyway,
like you're doing that on site.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I forget the specific details of it, but I know
that there was an issue I believe in either Baltimore
or Philadelphia to where the players complained about working with
the training staff, and I think it was Philadelphia, and
they'd complained there were some injuries, there was some mishandling
of injuries, and they blew out that entire staff and
(34:57):
brought in somebody else because they're like, yeah, we can't
this is this is not good.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And for years there were a lot of things mishandled
in Washington and it started to come out and and
got ugly. They had to replace them. This is a
big enough scenario by itself. Both you know, both the
(35:21):
reputation of the team for one, but also the liability
of it on the team as well. It's it's a
it's a pretty big it's a significant thing, and it'll
be interesting to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
And and the fact that and when I told you
the guys this in real time, when I said, look,
the part that seems fishy to me is when the
initial story came out there like the NFLPA has been notified.
Second I saw that, I thought, well, why would that
be the case. And then the fact that it was
his brother who went to social media to report what
(35:56):
the issue was as opposed to anybody else.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It was almost like, hey, I'm going straight to you
on this.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I don't want any media member who's got a relationship
with anybody within the organization to get on this first.
I'm going to you. I want you to release the
story and then we'll figure it out from there. And
Mike Tomlin, you know, less than a week later, is
just hey, listen, I don't even know if he's been
in the facility yet. Best player on the team, and
I have no idea whether or not he's been in
the facility yet. I don't have any answers I don't.
(36:26):
It just feels like, do you believe that to be true,
that he doesn't know if he's correct? No, he's the
best player on the team. Okay, So so now move
from there. What are you what like when you say
I don't know if he's in the building, I don't
know when he'll be back.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I don't have any updates on it for you.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
But you believe that he does know. What does that
make you think? Where does that take your feelings?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
My feelings are I think the organization realizes, or they've
at least gotten the impression from TJ. Watt, you're gonna
have to there's going to be some make goods here.
And I think Mike Tomlin recognizes that there was probably
a screw up, and it was probably a screw up
(37:14):
from somebody on his staff, the medical staff, whoever. And
Mike Tomlin looks at it and says, I don't want
to say anything that's going to get me caught up
in this. So not only do I have no answers
for you, I don't even know whether or not he's
in the facility. Like it, just the whole thing seems
suspect to me. None of it adds up and t's
(37:36):
your best player, and he's.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
We'll find out how about that.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
We'll know something pretty so, I mean you can't just
keep going through games without him playing, right, Yeah, So
we'll hear something soon.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
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Done to find out what's left? That's incredible, here's the
left over. What's up?
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Loa Ray Hi Jonas Hi Bar How we doing?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Ay? Hi? Hi? How are you doing?
Speaker 7 (39:20):
Are we ready to take on this hump day?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
We are. Loraine Loraina Messier Massie.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
I don't know what that means anyway, say world Wars.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's just a little different. Messier. Oh mess out, Okay,
go ahead, go ahead to Mary Lanel Messy. I don't
know anyways.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
I saw over the weekend you know, I love a
good food eating competition, and Joey Tesna is just so
good at putting things in his mouth. So over time
you've seen the progression on how it goes right, So
it used to be, let's see this the progression. In
two thousand and seven, he ate one hundred and eighty
two wings and thirty minutes and twelve hours. He did
a four hundred and thirteen wings for Hooter Challenge. But
(40:02):
over the weekend he ate in ten minutes two hundred
and forty two chicken wings.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Okay, I can barely make it through six anymore chicken wings? Yeah,
literally six really lots of RUMs. You can do both.
I know you're you're probably more of a flat scap
almless Yeah, you said chicken nugget.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, it's not. That's not a chickenugget. It's not. That
does not count.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's ass is not the same thing, bro, it's a chicken.
I'm with Lovarina Messi.
Speaker 7 (40:34):
It's got to have the bone in it or else
it doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
In my other news, over the weekend, we saw that
the Bengals game had lots of snow everywhere.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, they were almost about to get fined for this.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
They were facing a lot of criticism from their fans
as well for their snow covered seats. Yes, when the
fans arrived, every single seat still had snow in it.
The Bengals said, yeah, we prioritized the aisleways so that
you could get to your seat. You can get the
snow off yourself.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, Brady brought this up on We were talking about
a little bit on Monday. So did they get in trouble,
did they get fined or anything?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
They did not.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
Turns out they were not fined by the NFL for
leaving the snow in the stands, so mm hm.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
They probably couldn't afford to pay for it anyway, So well,
why would you? Why waste your time? Cheap, cheap, cheap,
It's like writing Obama ticket. Who's gonna pay that?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Come on? What are we talking about here? What else
we got? That's about it?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Come on, I don't feel like doing anymore today.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Huh Yeah, but I do want to go to the
cosm tonight. Huh, LeVar, what do we got tonight? It's tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
What day?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Okay, what are we gonna see?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Yeah, but you can't you can't bring any any stragglers.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Why not, I always bring stragglers.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
No, Here's always ruined my fun.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Whatever.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
We'll see you tomorrow morning. Enjoy your whatever
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Out of here.
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Speaker 2 (01:51):
Good morning, good morning, hello to everybody.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Hi Petros, Hello LaVar, how you doing. I'm all right,
all right, good, that's good.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
We have it on authority that this is the most
famous Greek Christmas carol.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Is that correct? I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
I think it's a Kalanta Christugan christugan on Christ.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I knew I screwed that up.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We said it way wrong, son of a bitch, but
we did want to wish you and yours America Christmas.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Christmas isn't as huge in Greece. It's more of an Easter.
I mean, they like Christmas, but Easter is more of
their biggest holiday.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh really, yes, no kidding? Interesting is that, Petros?
Speaker 4 (02:36):
I don't know, but Greek Easter is always a little
bit different than Greek Easter.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Auviy jeezus.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Greek Easter is sometimes different than what we would call
American Easter.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Or is it the same time, same date?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
It could be, but oftentimes it's on a different date
because the Catholic Church changed the calendar of the equinox
and the Orthodox Church work.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
So what happened? No, no, not, it's oh not the
equinox where you Joe. It has something to do with
the moon and all that you can't.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Jesus was Jewish, okay, and Jesus followed Jewish tradition and
the Last Supper was passover, so basically the Last Supper
where Jesus called out the betrayer Judas and the whole deal,
and then he went to the Garden of Gsemine and
(03:37):
the whole stations of the Cross and everything ensue from there.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
That's Passover.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So so where does Honica fall into all of this, Well.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Hanka is a different Jewish holiday that they celebrate around
this time of year.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
But the point, my.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Point is is sometimes in the Catholic calendar, or what
you would call the Universal Christian calendar outside the Orthodox Church,
you have Passover after Easter or Passover sometimes on the
same weekend as Easter, and you can't kill Jesus until
after Passover because of the Last Supper and all that.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
So the.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Orthodox calendar still sticks with the old way and you
have to have Easter after Passover and Passover.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Isn't Passover connected to like the marking on the door
and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yes, Passover is connected to the Old Testament story of
the Jews leaving egypts Okay, all right, the first horns horns, Yeah,
marking on the door, bitter bread and if you don't
have the mark on the door, that baby's up out
of there, right, correct?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Kind of what? Right? All right? All right?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
The in laws did Tamali's and Pasoli and it's really good.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
It was really good.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Is there any Greek traditional specialties during the holidays?
Speaker 2 (04:58):
During Easter or Christmas? Is on the topic? Not that
I can think of at five in the morning. No,
not on the West coast. Have you been have you
been to the place where you can watch the cosm?
Have you? Have you been to cosm?
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I have not been to cosm, but I have been
to church on h on Christmas?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Okay, which is nice. Are you Are you going to
watch the college football playoff?
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah? Yeah, it's kind of part of my job. Which
which which one are you most That doesn't mean you're
going to watch it?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You and I both know that. Now, which one are
you going to be more? Most interested in? Watching? Petros?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (05:45):
I guess if JM you can make it a game
or Tulane can make a game out of it, and
all this argument about the mid major teams, I guess
I'd be into watching those. I want to see if
if those two teams can do a little something. Now,
I've seen Oregon play, and I've seen Shambless play.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And all that, and I know.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
It's a tall order and we've literally seen Old Miss
and Tulane play in Oxford already.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
This year, so that didn't go so well.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But I'd like to see those games be competitive so
we can stop talking about how the mid majors don't
belong and try to get Texas and.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Freaking Notre Dame in the playoff. But does that stop it?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Petros, Like, does it really stop the conversation?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Really? Nothing.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
They find excuses like if if somebody gets an upset,
one of these mites gets an upset, doesn't it have
to almost Like, here's the lose lose situation. If if
a min makes it and wins it all, it's like
it was a fluke. It's a one time thing. It's
not sustainable. If they don't win it at all, it's
a fluke. It's not they shouldn't be here because they're
(07:00):
not good enough to be able to win it. I
feel like that's going to be the narrative one way
to the other, if one of the smaller schools is
able to have that large a measure of success during.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
The play Yeah, we've twisted ourselves into a pretzel in
our jobs, and everybody can explain anything however they want.
We've come to a point in our society where the
media just sits there and lies to you. Bold faced
on one side or the other, and everybody just accepts
it and finds a.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Way to explain their way through anything.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
So I think you're absolutely right they'll be excuses, but
I don't like people trying to since I live basically
all year long in college football obscurity, and I know
that the LA Bowl look bad with Boisy getting killed
by the Big Ten team Washington, but I don't like
to see a lot of college football, half of college
(07:53):
football being told that they don't belong whatsoever, and I'd
like to see that at least somehow rectified a little
bit in this playoff, but it's hard to imagine that
it will be. I'm interested in all the games. I'm
interested to see what Miami can do. I'm interested to
see how all of it plays out. I think it
(08:15):
should be pretty exciting. But last year the College Football
Playoff was helped tremendously by the fact that people were
rooting for Notre Dame, and Notre Dame played four games
in the College Football Playoff, which helped out their ratings,
I think, and helped out their national interest. And this
year they don't have that, So I don't know what
(08:35):
direction it'll take, but I think it'll.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Be interesting and it'll be fun to watch.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
I mean, we've seen Oklahoma play Alabama already. Yeah, I
guess Ty Simpson's back is okay. After all those rumors
that he needed a back, theotomy in Alabama kept it.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm not to say I need a back otomy.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
Yeah, come on, smoke with old green ash, smell for
the back, give me some of.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Your sweetish sima.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I got my bar out come old Son, So so
we'll we'll see.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
I liked John Mattier for the Heisman at the beginning.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
Of the year before he hurt his hand and then
became kind of human again, So all of those games
will be interesting. But I do not that I need
a Cinderella in my life. But I'd like to see
the Dukes take it to the Ducks. I know they won't,
and i'd like to see the Green wave. Actually, I'm
a little conflicted about Old miss because of the way
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things have played out with Lane Kiffen and all the
bickering back and forth, and all the anger and the
shame and disdain and the yoga teacher's bitterness.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So we'll see.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
But I don't like the idea that no one belongs
because Sark has pissed that kind of stuff and all
the weird lobbying after the fact and all the finger pointing.
It is kind of funny that we didn't think anybody
he would care about the thirteenth team being out, but
people do care quite a bit.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Patris Papadegus joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. So
we were having the discussion earlier about Kurt Signetti, who wins,
you know, Coach of the Year for first time ever
in consecutive years in college football. And when you see
what he's done at a program that was that bad,
there's got to be universities, athletic directors boosters around the
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country that are looking at their coaches going, how can
he do it?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
But you can't.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And if you just kept it local with whether Lincoln
Riley or whoever you wanted to throw in there, there
it is right like. That's and so you see what
Signetti's done and just the run that he's on.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
And Rincoln Riley's the real parallel because that's the one
thing about Indiana that people don't realize or haven't realized,
and that is that Indiana has a lot of money,
right like, so the second Franklin got fired.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
And the second that.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
They locked them up exactly, and they wouldn't be able
to do that if they didn't have a whole bunch
of money. I'm not saying they paid a bunch of players,
although they got right.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
To go there.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
I mean essentially last year he built the team from
the Sun Belt team that he was coaching in JMU,
and he brought a bunch of those guys over, much
like on a smaller scale, the guy from New Mexico,
Jason Ack. I mean, New Mexico is football purgatory. If
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New Mexico is football death, you had Mike Moxley, you know,
in a fistfight with with an assistant coach getting fired,
you had Barack. Though that's true, but I mean if
you look at New Mexico, they've had like two or
three winning seasons in the last forty years. I mean
New Mexico football has been death. And this guy Jason
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Eck from Idaho, of all places, and if you've ever
been to Moscow, Idaho, which is right across the border
from Washington State, that is not I mean, they used
to be FBS, but that is not a big program.
They're an FCS school. They play in a barn called
the Kibbi Dome. And that guy brought his son the
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best defensive player, linebacker, and he brought a quarterback, and
he brought a couple other players, I think the center
and like a third string running back. He brought a
bunch of guys from Idaho and almost won the Mountain
West and turned that thing around and won more games
(12:51):
than anybody's done at New Mexico in decades. And he
did it with a bunch of players from an FCS school,
and Signetti did it with a bunch of guys from JMU,
and then it's kind of.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Built it from there, which is crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
And the one thing you say the parallel is Indiana
has a whole bunch of money and they're able to
Once they got the thing rolling, they were able to
support it financially and keep everything in place. And the
one thing you can say about USC the parallel locally
is like, what's wrong with you? Why haven't you done
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anything like this? This guy's dominated the Big ten And
you could say USC's got a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
They have the ability to lock.
Speaker 4 (13:37):
People up, they have the ability to keep things going,
they have the ability to pay players. Why haven't you
been able to turn this around. And obviously it's leadership.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
And the personnel on the on the.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Coaching staff, and Signetti is put a lot of pressure
on a lot of people, and he's shown that it
doesn't matter somehow the modern times for a lot of
these schools, what the logo on the helmet says, if
you can build something and build belief and get the
thing growing and rolling, it.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Can be successful.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
And it puts a lot of pressure on people like
Lincoln Riley or people that have been sitting there and
peeing in your face and telling you it's raining and
we're so close and will never be this bad again.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Oh my god, we're really good. We had a great
season and all this.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
No, you need to make the college football playoff if
you're a blue blood to have a good or great season,
and USC's not there, They're not close to being there.
They got dominated by organ when it was all said
and done. So I think you're absolutely right. I think
it puts a tremendous amount of pressure on people. But
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like LeVar said, there's always some excuse. There's always somebody
that's going to twist themselves in a pretzel and tell
you what you're looking at, even though it's obvious that
you're looking at something else.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
We're talking to Petros Papadakis, the legendary.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
The old team.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Do you think that Signetti could pull that off at USC?
Speaker 4 (15:11):
Well, that's an interesting question because any place that has success,
any place that's like all in on football, has the
same components. And I kind of always liking it to
the Bob Stoops era at Oklahoma when they had it
going for so long and had a Heisman winner every
(15:33):
year and all that.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
And it's really.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Because the ad the president of the school, and the
head coach are all.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
On the same page.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
They're all focused on one thing and going forward with
kind of a narrow view of what football success means
to the region and the university.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Whether that's right or wrong. That's usually the parallel.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And at I don't even think they've have a university
president that they've hired yet, they still have an interim president.
They've been messed up in that regard president and ad
wise not really aligned with the head coach for quite
some time. So unless you have the full structure, and
I'm sure you understand this very well, of our coming
(16:20):
from Penn State, unless you have the full structure all
moving in the right direction for success with football, then
you don't really have the components to make it last,
if you know what I mean. And USC doesn't have that,
they just don't have it. And a lot of these
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schools don't have it because there's a conflicted agenda. And
rightfully so, I mean, some of these university presidents, the
old chancellor.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
People act like those agendas don't exist, especially sometimes when
you call out the detail of the hit and agendas.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
But go ahead, I'd digred just well you am I getting.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
A chancellor or a university president or somebody like that
that doesn't care as much about football or things that
football maybe shouldn't belong in an academic society, and this
and that, and there's a lot of different philosophical things.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's kind of what.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Makes college football cool, though, is that all the universities
are different. They all have different personalities, they are all
regionally unique, they all have a very different kind of
set of values relative to where they are and who
they are and who they adhere to or whether they're
(17:36):
a state university or private, and all of these different things. So,
I mean, that's what kind of makes college football fun.
It makes everything so different. It makes a Jacksonville State
game last night interesting if you just look up a
little of the history of it and find that part
of it interesting. There's a lot of minution to get
(17:57):
involved in. Then we just don't really have proot ball.
Pro football is great because of the uniformity and the
excellence of it and the precise nature of how you
have to be in the NFL to have success, and
college football is not really like that. It's it's much
more of a throw the spaghetti at the wall kind
of situation. And even when it's a mess like it
(18:19):
is right now, I think that's part of something that.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Attracts us to it.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Petres, we haven't spoken to you since the sher Own
More mess blew up and all the datils and stories
came out. What was your read on that whole fiasco
and the details and things that took place afterwards?
Speaker 4 (18:40):
My read on it was I was so surprised, And
like we said, I live most of the year in
football obscurity. So unless it's happening at Fresno or something
you know, I probably don't know about it, or unless
it's some problem that Scott Frost has at UCF. But
I was surprised, so deeply surprised about how many people
(19:04):
that knew about it already, right, Like all of these
people that I knew were like, oh yeah, did they
get them with the chick?
Speaker 2 (19:12):
The girl?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Oh yeah, and the abortion, And it's like what wait,
what tang? You know, I didn't know that like this.
I found out about Sharon Moore when everybody else found
out looking at their phone.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That day and then kind of watch it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Imagine me in the door, imagine me in the door,
dash driver. Wait a second, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
You know, like coach Moore, all of these all of
these people, all of my colleagues seemed to know about
it since like September.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
And they had to have no known because at the
end of the day, I was thinking about that. It's like, Okay,
you send a Plan B and your name is on
the on the receipt, but that doesn't mean that that's
your chick. That doesn't mean that you're sending that for you.
It could be for one of your players. Is it
a stocking stuff? It could it could have been for
anything or anybody. Like coaches do what they need to
(20:01):
do for their their players from time to time.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I mean no, I agree with that. You did what
I'm saying, so, yeah, had about information. Yeah, it had
to be.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
The information had already started to circulate for that to
even be a bridge that you could connect and cross
and be like, all right, hey man, hey.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Coach them a little short on cash. I mean, you
are different a plan.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
B Hey, brouh, hey, brouh. You be surprised how many
coaches have helped players.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
With Now He's right about you.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Be surprised how many coaches have helped players with situations
like this one.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
It's not the only coach it's ever Believe you me
visited the clinic of Demuher exactly.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
And that's not me. That's not me. I'm not on
that list.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I'm just saying I know a lot of guys who
are that that had to get help on situations like this.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
A couple of things occurred to me when it comes
to this situation. First of all, very unique to have
a guy lose his mind like that and end up
getting detained and having a knife and kitchen shears and
alleged knives.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Though he wanted to really torture himself to the end.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Threatening her life, threatening his life. All of these things
that was very unique, and that's something we haven't seen before.
But as far as a coach having a relationship.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
With an underling or somebody in.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
The use another one, Yeah, I thought back to my
own situation, and I could think of maybe seven over
the years that I was at se seven different coaches
that were involved with with somebody else, and how blatantly
obvious it was to everybody, and how disgusting it was
(21:47):
to play.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I mean, players see that stuff in real time.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
And you sit there in a meeting and the coach
sits there and tells you that your family and we
treat each other like family, and we are together and
we're we're adherent towards each other and all of those
words that we use in college football. And then you
turn around and your coach is having sex with a
soccer intern or something.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Oh I took it a little literally, right, a little
bit too literally.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
And you see the family, you know, coming out at
the spring game and everybody's high fiving, and the soccer
intern is on the other side of the field hiding,
and there's all kinds of tension and everybody knows it
and all that that's happened way too many times in
my college career, to mention, and I've seen the university
cover things up, and I've seen, you know, before the internet,
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a lot of this stuff happened, so that part of
it did not surprise me in the least. That's something
that happens in college football all the time. And I
can think about all these different instances of times where
I wasn't in the dark, like I was the road
board situation and knew what was going on. The unique
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part about it is the meltdown in the after.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
That was the most unique part of it. He could
have got through it, That's the thing about it. Like
within the ranks of coaching, he could have got through.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
He still probably will get through it. He's thirty nine.
You know, America loves to comeback. I'm not doing the comeback.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
But I'm not saying he'd be the coach at Michigan
again or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
But I don't think his life is ruined. Yeah, I know,
Y R.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Clark said he failed the entire black community. Yeah, listen,
you know, according to Ryan, I don't feel like he
failed me. But you know, it is what it is. Yeah,
I feel like I am a part.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Of the black people black, But if I was, I'd
be very uncomfortable with Ryan Clark speaking.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
For Yeah, like you, he's doing the Bobby Patrino comps
like that's the only one.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Oh, he's doing a great job of getting people pulling
people's emotional course.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Yeah, at least Bobby Patrino didn't hold a butter knife
to anybody.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He did it to himself. And that's the standard.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Like, Hey, it's okay to ruin your life and your
family and cheat and ruin somebody else's life and ruin
everything and only think about the moment, as football is
often a problem is you only think about the moment
because that's so much of what the sport is.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
And that's fine. All of that's good.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Uh, as long as you don't threaten anybody's life in
the after.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I will I will say I do believe, if if
my research and memory serves me correctly, he did not
threaten her.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
He basically told her that her I think he said
he was going to kill a boat. He was going
to make her what I think the lawyer.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
I think the lawyer said that he said, you're going
to watch me.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
His lawyer or her lawyer. I believe it was her
lawyer cuter. I believe it was her lawyer. She's going
to go civilly after Michigan too, oh one.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
So they're going to have to pay their way out
of this, and Michigan's got plenty of money to pay
their way out of this and keep their football program
together as well.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Yeah, but I wouldn't want to see somebody die by
you know you butter knives and scissors.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, you guys were Petros was talking about to do
it about the coaches he do that had I completely
forgot about this moment until you mentioned it. But I
can remember being a busboy at TGI Fridays after I
graduated high school and seeing my former coach or assistant
coach sitting with a girl at the booth and cleaning
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the table right next to them that we went to
high school.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
With, just thinking, Wow, it's like that.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
So that's that's what coach was doing, was going down
at a TGI Friday. Do you want to be depressed me?
Speaker 1 (25:34):
They all right, well, you know, more motsticks and everybody,
have a good time. Another button on the vest, fourteen pieces,
you don't make it fifteen just for coach?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
All right?
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Well, Petros always appreciating get him on x at the
old p co host of the Petros and Money showing
a five to seventy LA Sports Fox college football analyst
and our good friends.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
So we'll do it again next week. Thanks, thank you
great today. I guess like the song. By the way,
I ever wanted to try an Olympic and Paralymics.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Are you guys working next week? Or yeah, we'll be
here on Wednesday?
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah? What's Wednesday? Is that Christmas Eve? Yeah? I'll be
here on Christmas Eve? You're gonna be here, Petricks, are
you traveling? You get plans? I'll be in town. I
don't work that day, but I guess I'll work for
you guys if you want.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah, I'd love to have you. Yeah, of course that'd
be nice to have you on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
All right? So there he is a little out of
it this time of day. Yeah, so are we? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
We just in your third out trying to figure it out.
Go figure try to be out of it going the
first too real.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Out here man.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
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forgot about that scene seeing the girls sitting with our
coach in the booth at TJ Fridays. My buddy worked
with me and we were on the team together, and
(27:08):
I just be like, hey, you see coach showing so
sitting in the booth. He goes, wait, don't you know her?
I was like, yes, I sure do. That's a man.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Good for them, you know, that's why you have their
social media back then, No, no, I thought they might
have been talking about social media business or something. You know,
that was a problem that maybe they were talking about recruiting.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
They looked like they saw a ghost when they saw
me walk by, because they knew.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
It doesn't make that doesn't make sense though, the sea
a ghost, Like you can't be out in public if
you're not ready to be seen out in public.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I think that's the thing about it, Like.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
There's a lot of denying going on when everybody kind
of knew what was happening.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
But hey, it's pretty common man.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
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So we're talking about this a little bit during the break.
(31:20):
Something about the TJ. Watts story, other than the improbable
way in which you would collapse as long with those
tiny needles, something about it just still doesn't seem right.
It didn't seem right in real time, and Mike Tomlin
was asked about it yesterday and really tried to distance
himself from the entire thing. Well, he just like it
(31:41):
was basically, I have no information. I was in the
back there. I don't know if he's going to be
available for this week I don't know if he's even
in the facility yet, Like he knows nothing, like knows
nothing about it, doesn't even know if the guy's in
the building, like knows nothing about it. And it just
it feels like he almost recognizes there was a screw
(32:01):
up here clearly, and I don't want my name anywhere
involved in any of this stuff. Like it almost reminds
me of when the deflate gates stuff came out, and
Belichick basically at one point just said, listen, you got
to talk to tom Like this is not my problem,
Like you got to talk to some and TJ. Watson
maybe the best player on your team, and you don't
(32:25):
even know if he's in the building. You've like have
like no information that's the best player on your team, yes,
and you don't know if he's in the building. I
have no idea. I don't know if he's in the facility.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
I don't know when.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Maybe we'll get more answers later this week. I don't
know this availability yet. That's the whole The handling of.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
It is just bizarre, and it's like, well, I don't
know about you, Jonas, but what I will say is.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You don't want.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Something to come out where his career is altered forever
and you had something to do with it. I'll give
you a name that that kind of is interesting because
they kind of played the same They did play the
same position pretty much, Greg Lloyd. And when Greg Lloyd,
I want to say it was was it his knee
(33:15):
was getting ate up by he got a staff infection,
and I believe it. I want to say it happened
in Pittsburgh. I don't want to misspeak, hold on because
it could have been Carolina. I do not want to misspeak,
but I believe Greg Lloyd, like what really kind of
derailed him and his career was a staff infection that
(33:41):
that took place.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
I want to say why he was still in Pittsburgh.
It was November of ninety seven that I'm seeing here.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Yeah, after an injury in ninety seven as a Steeler.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, and he was never the same. And so.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
If you've inflicted an injury on TJ. Watt in your
medical room and it impacts him for the rest of
his career, that's bad. Look, that's that's a very very
I mean, that's a new that's a new that's probably
(34:22):
a new you know athletic, you know trainer team.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You're gonna have to blow it out. Oh yeah, it's
the rat. Yeah. Well you remember there.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Was uh like, who's up in here doing dry needling anyway,
like you're doing that on site.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
I forget the specific details of it, but I know
that there was an issue I believe in either Baltimore
or Philadelphia to where the players complained about working with
the training staff, and I think it was Philadelphia, and
they'd complained there were some injuries, there was some mishandling
of injuries, and they blew out that entire staff and
(34:57):
brought in somebody else because they're like, yeah, we can't
this is this is not good.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
And for years there were a lot of things mishandled
in Washington and it started to come out and and
got ugly. They had to replace them. This is a
big enough scenario by itself. Both you know, both the
(35:21):
reputation of the team for one, but also the liability
of it on the team as well. It's it's a
it's a pretty big it's a significant thing, and it'll
be interesting to see how it plays out.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
And and the fact that and when I told you
the guys this in real time, when I said, look,
the part that seems fishy to me is when the
initial story came out there like the NFLPA has been notified.
Second I saw that, I thought, well, why would that
be the case. And then the fact that it was
his brother who went to social media to report what
(35:56):
the issue was as opposed to anybody else.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
It was almost like, hey, I'm going straight to you
on this.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I don't want any media member who's got a relationship
with anybody within the organization to get on this first.
I'm going to you. I want you to release the
story and then we'll figure it out from there. And
Mike Tomlin, you know, less than a week later, is
just hey, listen, I don't even know if he's been
in the facility yet. Best player on the team, and
I have no idea whether or not he's been in
the facility yet. I don't have any answers I don't.
(36:26):
It just feels like, do you believe that to be true,
that he doesn't know if he's correct? No, he's the
best player on the team. Okay, So so now move
from there. What are you what like when you say
I don't know if he's in the building, I don't
know when he'll be back.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I don't have any updates on it for you.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
But you believe that he does know. What does that
make you think? Where does that take your feelings?
Speaker 1 (36:53):
My feelings are I think the organization realizes, or they've
at least gotten the impression from TJ. Watt, you're gonna
have to there's going to be some make goods here.
And I think Mike Tomlin recognizes that there was probably
a screw up, and it was probably a screw up
(37:14):
from somebody on his staff, the medical staff, whoever. And
Mike Tomlin looks at it and says, I don't want
to say anything that's going to get me caught up
in this. So not only do I have no answers
for you, I don't even know whether or not he's
in the facility. Like it, just the whole thing seems
suspect to me. None of it adds up and t's
(37:36):
your best player, and he's.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
We'll find out how about that.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
We'll know something pretty so, I mean you can't just
keep going through games without him playing, right, Yeah, So
we'll hear something soon.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
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Speaker 2 (39:05):
Done to find out what's left? That's incredible, here's the
left over. What's up?
Speaker 7 (39:12):
Loa Ray Hi Jonas Hi Bar How we doing?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Ay? Hi? Hi? How are you doing?
Speaker 7 (39:20):
Are we ready to take on this hump day?
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
We are. Loraine Loraina Messier Massie.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
I don't know what that means anyway, say world Wars.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
That's just a little different. Messier. Oh mess out, Okay,
go ahead, go ahead to Mary Lanel Messy. I don't
know anyways.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
I saw over the weekend you know, I love a
good food eating competition, and Joey Tesna is just so
good at putting things in his mouth. So over time
you've seen the progression on how it goes right, So
it used to be, let's see this the progression. In
two thousand and seven, he ate one hundred and eighty
two wings and thirty minutes and twelve hours. He did
a four hundred and thirteen wings for Hooter Challenge. But
(40:02):
over the weekend he ate in ten minutes two hundred
and forty two chicken wings.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Okay, I can barely make it through six anymore chicken wings? Yeah,
literally six really lots of RUMs. You can do both.
I know you're you're probably more of a flat scap
almless Yeah, you said chicken nugget.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, it's not. That's not a chickenugget. It's not. That
does not count.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
It's ass is not the same thing, bro, it's a chicken.
I'm with Lovarina Messi.
Speaker 7 (40:34):
It's got to have the bone in it or else
it doesn't count.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (40:37):
In my other news, over the weekend, we saw that
the Bengals game had lots of snow everywhere.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
Well, they were almost about to get fined for this.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
They were facing a lot of criticism from their fans
as well for their snow covered seats. Yes, when the
fans arrived, every single seat still had snow in it.
The Bengals said, yeah, we prioritized the aisleways so that
you could get to your seat. You can get the
snow off yourself.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, Brady brought this up on We were talking about
a little bit on Monday. So did they get in trouble,
did they get fined or anything?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
They did not.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
Turns out they were not fined by the NFL for
leaving the snow in the stands, so mm hm.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
They probably couldn't afford to pay for it anyway, So well,
why would you? Why waste your time? Cheap, cheap, cheap,
It's like writing Obama ticket. Who's gonna pay that?
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Come on? What are we talking about here? What else
we got? That's about it?
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Oh?
Speaker 7 (41:32):
Come on, I don't feel like doing anymore today.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
Huh Yeah, but I do want to go to the
cosm tonight. Huh, LeVar, what do we got tonight? It's tomorrow?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (41:41):
What day?
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Okay, what are we gonna see?
Speaker 1 (41:43):
Yeah, but you can't you can't bring any any stragglers.
Speaker 2 (41:46):
Why not, I always bring stragglers.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
No, Here's always ruined my fun.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Whatever.
Speaker 7 (41:51):
We'll see you tomorrow morning. Enjoy your whatever
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Out of here.
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