March 25, 2025 • 40 mins
LaVar puts perspective on Puka Nacua wanting to retire by 30. NFL Insider Pete Prisco hates pro days and talks leadership and intangibles. Plus, Poo-Pourri on Lee’s Leftovers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Guy? You know?
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I mean it has been quite a few times. You
said he's come up hot. I mean, you know that's
some boy. You gotta stop stop suspending.
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all right. So Pooka Nakua huh was Pooka Nakua? Oh,
(01:52):
you can do what Rob Parker does on the challenge.
Whenever we talk about Pooka on KMBC, whatever his name
is mentioned, he.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Goes kazooon tide.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Pooka Nakua was on the Join the Lobby podcast and
he talked about what he sees as the end date
for his NFL career. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I want to retire at the age of thirty. I'm
twenty three right now. I'm going into year three. I
think of Aaron Donald like man like to go out
at the top. I think it would be super cool.
But then also be like yo, like I want to
I want to have a big family, just like I want.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I want to have at least the starting five. I'm like,
I came from a big family, said.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
He will fall I need five boys.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
I don't need five boys for sure, that's cool, but
also being like man, I want to be able to
be a part of their lives and like like be
as active as I can with them from like I
don't want to be the injuries are something that you
can't control part of the game. So like I'm man,
like you never know, hopefully like the rest of your
career go healthy. But like man, you have shoulder surgery,
you have knee surgery, you have an ankle and be
like yo, like by the time my kids could be eighteen,
I'm like, I could be very walking if I like,
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if you play the game and like you sustain all
the injuries that but I want to retire early.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
So that was Pooka Nakua talking about his desire to
walk away at thirty years old. Part of me wonders
if maybe this past year has that early Maybe I
do wonder if this past year, dealing with the injuries,
if maybe he realized, yeah, this probably ain't gonna last forever,
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you know, like it there's there's a reality that's set
in and maybe that made him sort of reassess how
long he wants to do this for because he did
take a little bit of a beating last year. It
started early, tried to come back, you know, there was
that back and forth. The end of the year didn't
then the right way for him either, And I just
wonder if that led him to all right, I got
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to start thinking about long term what this is going
to look like. And apparently he's he's ready to get
on up out of here at thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
How old is he right now?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Twenty three?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, See the whole thing for me, I mean I've
retired before thirty. I started getting injuries. When I blew
my achilles tendon, I was I walked away. I just
I don't think that that's retiring early though. I think
that's just not You're just not venturing deeper and further
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into the profession as a player as you're aging. You know,
you're fortunate actually if you are able to make I
think the average is what three and a half years.
The average for a pro at the you know, football
level is three and a half. So he's been in
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the league for what two years now? Yeah, so he's
twenty He was twenty one.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I'm assuming when he came in.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
In general, you're probably going to be like twenty three,
twenty four, twenty five at the latest when you're forced
to make a decision on changing professions.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And he missed six games last year because of injuries.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Because injury, yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I mean, you remember the linebacker from San fran He
there were guys at that moment in time where guys
were retiring early.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Because the head injury. Walked away.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He walked away pretty early. The other one that was
with him, yeah, like a year.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, it was like he had a really good year
and then he was like, yeah, this ain't worth it
and he wants Everybody has their different different approaches to
how they want to go about their career and what
what that looks like. I don't think there's a right
or a wrong answer. I know someone will subscribe to
the idea. Chris Borland was the name of the Portland
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there you go.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, he was a bawler.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
You know, I think I think everybody kind of has
their own approach. More often than not, guys are going
to try to play as long as they can, and
there's the old saying they're going to have to kick
me out of the for me to stop playing. People
definitely go kicking and screaming at times. And then there's
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certain guys that they retire when they're ready to retire, and.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You know, it's it's a tricky thing.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
It's like retirement is tricky because sometimes you retire and
you don't really fully believe you're retiring, and it doesn't
it doesn't pan out that way. Like you continue to
play and you find ways to keep playing. Like I
think Charles Haley is a name that comes to mind
super quickly. It's like, yeah, I'll come back and play, Like, yeah,
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let's do it, let's do it. A lot of guys
come back, will come back and play if a team
calls them. But then there's some guys that when they're done,
they're just they're done. I mean Barry Sanders walked away
early and he was done, and that was like the
whole the big thing was for many many many years,
it was like, is he going to come back. It
was like, Oh, it was like the Elvis Presley is
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Elvis still alive? Type deal like that. That rumor was
was like a big one all the time, like will
he come back that one?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And Bill Kuermber like will Bill right?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So I don't think there's a right or a wrong
answer to that. He wants to have a lot of kids,
and he wants them to be all boys, and he
wants to be able to walk with him and do
I don't think playing until you're in your thirties is
going to lead to you not being able to walk
and have a.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Healthy lifestyle with your kids.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
But if you are sustaining injuries that could lead you
down that path, then you know, everybody has different circumstances,
so you just got to measure it out and weigh
it out.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And by the way, if you like, if you get
to the point where you're fulfilled, you've made your cash
and there's nothing really left, no desire like walk like
why not? Like you know what? Why why stay and
do it if you can and if he can get
out and he wants to pursue other things. I just
with his style of play, I don't look at that
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as a well he's going to be around when he's
thirty eight years old, like he like, you know, he
took a little bit of a beating this past year,
and now there's going to be even more on his
plate because Cooper Cup is gone. And you know they
did add Davante Adams, but you know, pookin and a
coup is. You know, they would probably be more inclined
to want to keep Cooper Cup and try and make
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that work if they didn't have a Pooka and Akua
who had played as well as he did his rookie
year and then you know, has all the promise and
the potential from this past year. It's just he took
a beating and he's probably looking around going all right,
how long do I want to do this for? Like
you know, and and to your point, you know, if
the average it is interesting that we look at it, go, well,
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you know, just thirty years old, just thirty years old.
But if the average or you know, length of a
career is three years or three and a half years, man,
if you can if you can get eight years in
the league, like I mean, that's that's saying something you've
more than doubled what the average length of a playing
career is and so if he can get out with
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a little bit of cash at that point and he's healthy, yeah,
go go live your life and do what you want
to do.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
The latest average on a person changing jobs is about
five to seven times during their working life.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Some some estimates suggest twelve jobs held between ages eighteen
to fifty four. You know what I mean. So in
the end, let's see, I have I have played played,
I did construction, play I then I played ball. Then
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I did a restaurant, then I did well.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Okay, let's back up.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
While I was playing ball, I did television and radio.
Then once I transitioned out, I did a restaurant. Then
I went back into radio. Then I did TV. Then
I wrote for the Washington Post. Then I left and
did TV full time. Then I did I coached, Then
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I did radio and TV again.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Now I do radio.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's like you're going to switch up, like things are
going to happen. You're going to live life, You're going
to get exposed to life. You're going to adapt and
adjust and evolve to the life that you're leading. You know,
some people may not do much of anything after they're
done playing you make enough money where if you're responsible
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fiscally for what you've made, you don't have to work anymore.
And then some of them they make good investments, and
their investments work for them and they generate a passive
income that supports and sustains.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Their lifestyle for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I've always been a risk taker, so I just think
that it kind of comes down to what you're into.
Like me, I'll get bored just sitting around, so I
gotta be doing something. If if that's something consists of,
you know, working, then you should work. If that consists
of doing yard work or you know, working out all
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the time, whatever it may be, whatever your vice is,
as long as you're able to lead and live a
healthy life and lifestyle, then I don't think there should
be any problem with it. But people change professions. You're
not going to play football forever. I always tell my
kids kids, I mentored my own kids that you're going
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to live. If you're blessed enough, you're going to live
way more life than you're going to have years of
playing the game. And you have to be you have
to be able to adjust yourself and accept the fact
that you're not playing this game anymore, because when you're
done playing football, that's it. Like you can't like if
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you're a professional golfer, you can still go golf. You're
a professional basketball player, you could still go play basketball.
You can't just go casually play a real game of football.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
It's not the same.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
That's why I always feel for athletes when they walk
away at whatever age it is, and you know that
was your first love and you walk away and then
it's like, now what because I.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just have a hard time adjusting.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And I told it because I just started putting myself
in that perspective. So my first love. You know, obviously
I love sports, but I couldn't play. I just wasn't good.
I didn't I didn't have the gifts. It just was
what it was. But I love radio. You would have
told me at twenty seven, twenty eight years old, whenever
it was oh, by the way, you can no longer
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do this. I don't know what the hell like I
would be lost because that was my first love. I've
been doing it for so long and now it's just gone.
Almost like a crutch, if you will, something that was
there at all times, somebody just takes it away and
you can't physically do it anymore. I have no idea
what the hell I would do. And so that's why
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I always feel for athletes when you find out like, oh,
you know, so and so is having a rough time
coming to terms with the end of it. I look
at it. I go, people I think just looked at think, well,
you made all that money and all this, you know,
go you go do something else. Like no, man, it's
not just about the money. That's that was your routine.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Your passion. Yeah, like you know your why.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Since since you were what like six seven years old?
That's that's what you knew.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Ey for me, he and I you know, I didn't.
I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I always looked at football like it's my love. I mean,
I loved competing, but I love making money, I know that.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And I love.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Prizes like I've always loved winning trophies or winning winning
medals and stuff like the real ones like first, second place,
like not not the participation ones, like the real ones.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know. Yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I've never been interested in in those. I've I've always
been like interested in the real ones, you know. And
so I always say, you know, if you can find
something that you can, you know, kind of wrap your
mind around, like being passionate about it, then you know
you've you've done something that's really really good for you
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because having having something that you can, you know, do
that you're passionate about doesn't come across as a job,
you know. And and so for me it's it's interesting.
I wasn't a media person. I didn't think that I'd
end up in media. Just so happens. I speak my
mind and I did it so often and I said
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it about so many interesting things that people were like,
you should go into media. So I ended up going
to the media. But what really really keeps me, you know,
on my toes and wanting to do media the way
that I do it is competition.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I want to be the best at what I do.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And so when I was like, okay, I'm pretty good
at you know, getting on a microphone, I know some
people think I may suck, But I bet you if
you get on a microphone and I get on a
microphone and we listened to one another, and I probably
own you, you know. So it's not as simple as
people think. When when the red light goes on and
you're speaking live radio for the amount of time, and
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I could tell you the first time I ever did radio,
I did it by myself. I did I did radio
for free, just to figure out if if I could
do a show. Now I've done radio before. I did
radio with coach John Thompson and Doc Walker while I
was playing, but doing a show by yourself, Like, can
you think back to the first time you did a
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radio show, like your first shows?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I can remember the first time I went on the
air and it was worse than bad. How how long
was the show was I was? I was doing a
hit from a game I was doing. I was part
of a show.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
That's not the same, Like, when was the first time
you did a show like that? I can remember the
first time I did a show.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Join Its thousand and nine.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Maybe I was on a gospel channel. I was on
a gospel channel what makes sense, And they were playing
Christian music and this, that and the other, and then
it paused for an hour for sports talk with LeVar.
Then it went back to gospel and then the station folded.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But I was doing it when it came on.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Let me tell you something, running running a show, doing
doing content, doing a show is super difficult and people
figure it out when they do it that it's not
as simple as people you know, kind of make it,
you know, feel like or you know, just how do
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you how do.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You run an hour of content?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
You gotta know the you gotta know the timing, you
gotta know all everything that's going on. So for me,
it was such a challenge to try to be as
good at it as I could possibly be. And I
just think that you know, as long as you're finding
something that you can compete in and and you know
it kind of checks the boxes off for you and
how you feel emotionally, that's what you should do. So
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if he wants to end his career early and start
a new one or just live as life off of
the money he's made, I would suggest that that's what
he should do.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, do your thing. Two pros and a cup of
Joe Here, Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with
you coming up next here, though it is a Tuesday tradition,
mister red Ass himself, Pete Prisco, Who's he got an
issue with? Who's he got a problem with? He wants
the smoke, and we'll get the smoke from him coming
up next here from the tirack dot Com studios.
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Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah, Canelo's coming to the coming to the Ring.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, I gotta be Canelo.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
This is the type of music he plays when he
walks out.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox
Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. So
coming up in about twenty minutes from now, we're going
to close up shop with another edition of Lee's Leftovers.
That'll be yours here on FSR. But right now it
is a Tuesday tradition. He is Pete Prisco, senior NFL
columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analyst, and you
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can get him on x at Prisco, CBS. Pete, good morning.
Who do you get a problem with today?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well? I thought you were playing that nice to opera
music for me.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That's not opera opera?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Pete, geez?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
That's good? Hispanic?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Mariachi?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Is it Mexican?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I couldn't hear it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Oh, there you go. Okay, I thought it was opera music,
all right, there you go.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I love eating some frat fish and rice and and
a salad with some something you know, with some servasis
to this music right here, Pete Prisco, that's.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Gonna be yeah. Yeah, you get the Mariazzi.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Band out there, Pete, what bothers you this week? Because
usually there's something that kind of rubs you the wrong way,
something that kind of pisses you off. Is there anything
this week that has kind of set you off? When
it comes to the NFL or just the coverage of
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, Pro days they all set me off. I mean, yeah, everybody,
everybody has the greatest throwing session in the history of
mankind of a pro day. Even if a wide receiver
runs four eight, Oh my god, no, he's not slow.
But if a guy runs for one, he's the fastest
guy in the world, even though he doesn't play to it.
Pro days are the biggest waste of time in the
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history of mankind. If he asked me, I mean, you
put the tape on and watch a guy. If he
plays fast, he's fast. If he doesn't play fast, he's
not fast. I remember one time I said to Jerry Rice,
I go, hey, Jerry, you know you came out of school.
You didn't run very fast. You ran like a four
to six. What made you be? He goes look at me,
and he looked me straight in the eye and he said,
do you ever see anybody catch me from behind? I
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said no, He goes, there you go. That's all that matters.
You play fast. You are fast if you know, that's
the way it is. And you can't go by forty
times and throws against the air at a Pro day
like cam Ward had. Now cam Woard through the football well,
but he throws the football well when he's playing. So
I think that's that's the thing that irks me the
most is Pro days and putting so much stock into them.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Pete, let me ask you this because I'm glad you
you you answered it the way you did. I was
watching your your your your choices between quarterbacks? Is there like,
do you how much value do you place on intangibles?
Because I got to say, I think you, just like
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some of the other people that cover, you know, the sport, y'all,
don't look at the intangibles as much as y'all look
at the tangibles, meaning like you you were in on
all these different quarterbacks being better than Jalen Hurts. But
I really really get the impression, Peete, that the intangibles
that Jalen Hurts brings to the table might make him
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just as much valuable, if not more valuable, than guys
who have more tangible talent than what he has.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You're trying to bait me Onalen Hurts again.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I'm just I'm not I'm not going to say it's
a bait. I'm just saying I just think that he brings.
He brings the leadership quality, he brings a connective quality
that the person that he is that I believe is
the reason why the Philadelphia Eagles do as well as
they do. And it doesn't show up in the stat category,
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doesn't show up in you know that that manner, but
it does show up in the way that the guys
play and and they'll tell you, you know, like I
just watched, Uh, who's the Who's Who's the linebacker from Georgia?
Not not Dean, the other one? Is it Smith? I
believe Nolan Smith?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Is it Nolan Smith?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
And he was just speaking on how much he you know,
he feels about Jalen Hurts and and compared to them,
to Cam Newton in terms of the relevancy that he
brought to the Carolina Panthers when he played there because
of his leadership and how guys bought into him. I mean,
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doesn't that whole doesn't I mean, I'm just curious. Shouldn't
not hold Wait Pete, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Absolutely holds. Wait. But let me ask you this, LeVar.
Were you a leader?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I was?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I think I rally around. I never wanted to be
a focal point. I was not like a focal point leader.
I was more like a leader by what I do.
What I did?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, and you were good and you were good,
So they rally. People follow good players leaders good players.
If a quarterback is a great leader, oh he's a leader,
he's a winner, he's a leader, and he stinks you're
not going to follow him. I'm not saying that's tou
Jalen hurt Is because he's a good player. But leadership
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is one. I mean, leader rob the guy in the
front of the team leading calisthenics, that's garbage. The leaders
are the guys who are good, who are the first
ones in the building and the last ones in and
do it the right way. They work their ass off,
they go to practice, they practice hard, and they're good teammates.
That's who a good leader is, not the guy jumping
in the front of the Calisthenics line saying let's go,
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let's go, let's go, raw Rock. It's just like these
coaches with these speeches, these pregame speeches. You know, I've
had many a coach tell me. I remember back in
the day, one coach told me, he goes, look, I'm
going to use this general speed, and he told us
what he told his soldiers and everything. I said, no,
you don't need that. Just go in there and tell
him to rip it right up the hinges. That's what
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you tell them. I mean, that's all you have to do.
Just just go in there and play the game like
a nasty, violent animal. That's the way you play the game.
And so these guys all with the raw rod speed,
just so the hell needs to hear that, Just go play.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio at Prisco,
CBS on aces where you can get him. Pete. I
think LeVar and I were kind of in the same
thinking when this news came out that Jamis Winston signed
with the Giants. That okay, then that means that this
is looking like Shadoor goes number three to New York
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if he's there, do you fall on along the same
lines or do you think the Giants are really going
to add another quarterback not name shad Or Sanders.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
But if they add another quarterback and I'm not named
shad Or Sanders like a Russell Wilson, then what are
you doing. You're just delaying the inevitable. I'm with you.
It should be Shador Sanders at three. And whether you
believe Sdor Sanders should be drafted at three or not,
which is an entirely different subject. What should happen is
they should take them. And here's a couple of reasons why.
Until you fill that position, you're going to be chasing
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it forever and ever, so may as well take a
swing at it and take a shot at Shador Sanders.
The other part of that is if you draft s
your door Sanders and you're that front office and that
coaching staff, it might give you an extra year. Your
job is on the line because you draft a young
quarterback and he shows promise and he plays, and even
if you win eight games or seven games, you don't
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make the playoffs. But he's starting to throw the ball around,
and you infect there's progress there. They're not going to
get ready yet. So you can save your own ass
by drafting Schador Sanders. But you can also go in
and say, you know what, we might have our quarterback
for the long term, So why wouldn't you. It makes
no sense to me not to take one in that
scenario if you're the New York Giants.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Pete, we were having a debate conversation earlier about the
number one draft pick, and I think the dilemma here
is I don't believe any of the quarterbacks in this
draft are number one pick talents.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I mean and.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Respectfully, because I think the three that everyone continues to
talk about, even Milrow in the conversation now, are fine quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I just don't think they're number one.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Pick two or three picks. With the other prospects and
how they're grading out. You get a guy like Abdul Carter,
they say he's grading out as close to Miles Garrett
as any prospect coming out since Miles Garrett. You got
a guy like Travis Hunter, that is in the draft.
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How much of a dilemma is this for the Tennessee
Titans and what it is that they're planning on doing
with that pick, Because to take a player number one
that isn't a number one one type of guy in
terms at my estimation, to take him number one, I
feel like that is a tremendous That's a miss when
(28:10):
you know that there is a guy on the board
that has graded as high as another prospect being in
a different position than quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's the age old argument, lilar. I mean, you know,
do you pass on the guy you think is the
better player at his position to take a quarterback at
the most valuable position who might not be as good
playing that position? You know what I mean. It's the
age old argument. And that's why you have so many
quarterback misses in this league because guys have forced them
up the board and they panic, and I get it,
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you have to panic. But if I'm the Titans and
you guys know how I feel about Will Levis, I'll
take another year with him and draft Carter. That's what
I would do. I want the dynamic d rusher. If
I want him, he's going to change the game. Constantly
for the next ten years. If you get the right guy,
which I think Carter is the right guy, and then
you can get as go back into the draft next
year and get your quarterback. And remember, the Titans are
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in a different scenario than the Giants are. Their front
office is new. They don't have to panic. The coach
isn't new, but the front office is, and so they're
the ones making the football decisions. They don't have to
sit there and say we have to get a quarterback,
because they can go into next year's draft, which by
the way, looks like it's going to be a much
better quarterback draft. So you can take Carter, get the
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best player, and then come back next year, play with
Levis if you have to, and then come back next year,
and if you need to get a quarterback, you go
get your quarterback. So I'm with you. I think sometimes
we force these quarterbacks up the draft board and it
ultimately ends up making you chase your tail. All these
teams have done. Look at the Steelers. What are the
Steelers doing right now? They're chasing their tail? Why because
they pick it a couple of years ago and it
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didn't work out. So I'm with you. One draft the
best football player at a premium position. Don't get me wrong.
You can't take the best guard at number one overall,
but you can take the best pass rusher and make
him the choice of number one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You may mention the Steelers there. Obviously, the Aaron Rodgers
discussion is separate. It feels like that's how the single
whole thing is going to end up ultimately. But what
do you make of what has happened to Russell Wilson
in the span of four years where it was borderline
Hall of Fame or to option B or C at
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best for multiple teams around the NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Let me quickly ask you this, how many times a
week do you guys talk about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
All I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
About Jonas talked about Aaron Rodgers at least twice a day.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I don't know why LaVar keeps bringing him.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Up at least it's unbelievable. We do too. We're the
same one everything. Wait, let's say it's going to be around.
It's Aaron signed this contract or he goes to the
Steelers every day. What are we doing every single day?
He's got the whole football, the whole entire NFL media
landscape on hold, waiting for him to make a damn decision.
Make the decision. Look, bottom line is Russell Wilson not
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very good last four years. He holds the ball. It's
all he does. He holds the ball, he leaves clean pockets,
he throws moon balls, and he hasn't been a very
good player in the last four years. And I know
Brady's not there to defend him like he always does,
but you know, he's not very good. And so here's
the thing. Somebody said, what if the Giants signed you know,
(31:22):
Jamis and Russell Wilson and still drafted Shador Sanders, Right.
I mean, first off, you want to teach your quarterback
how to get the ball out of your hands. You
don't want to learn from those two. I mean they
held the ball more than anybody to both of them. Look,
I love Jamis Winston. He's a great It is a
great thing to watch because he can be so streaky
and so good, but he always holds the ball. Russell
(31:44):
Wilson holds the ball as much as anybody, So I
just don't think it works. So where does he end up?
I think the Steelers have him on hold in case
they don't get Rogers, and if that's the case, then
he'll wait around and then he maybe goes back to
the Steelers. But again, you're right, it's done, it's over.
I think he's a backup quarterback in the NFL. Now,
I think that's what he is, and it's it's happened
(32:06):
in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
But he is a leader, right, Well, I'll say I'll
say this.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I know you were picking like everybody, and it pained
you to even sit there and have to, you know,
debate Jalen Hurts and and uh, Trevor, Trevor Lawrence. I
saw how much pain was in your face. But I
got to tell you, I think Jalen Hurts is a
hell of a ball player with with a leadership quality
(32:38):
that separates him from from normal other guys. That's what
I think. That's I think his secret power. And he's
like he's like the profess professor Xavier, you know, he's
like he might be the one that isn't necessarily out
there in the field like Logan or like you know,
Cyclops or any of the Nightcrawler, but he leads them,
(32:59):
he keeps them together, and he make sure everybody's going
in the direction and there is that is a talent,
and that is a gift if you have that in
your repertoire. So to me, I don't know that. I
feel like Russ is the total antithesis of that. In fact,
like I wish Russell Wilson would be on the sideline
(33:19):
telling me say run run past past. I slapped the
hell out of him, you know what I mean, like,
get your ass up out of my face.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
You're not wrong, You're not wrong. The bar Russ. The
teammates around Russ looked at him and went, come on,
that's you know, that's not that's not He's not that.
He's not he's not going to make them want to
go play for him. You're exactly one accurate. So yeah,
I would say, you're right, and look, Jalen Hurts works
his butt off, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And they responded, hell of a player, hell of a player.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But you know what, are you an agent now or something?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
No, I'm not. I'm not his agent, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I was just it's funny I've been like I was like,
I don't know why I was taking a deep dive
on Philly, but I was looking looking at their roster.
I was looking at their team. Obviously, I've always kept
up with Saquon and what he's got going on, So
I was just looking at the team, how they're constructed,
what they're doing. And I was listening to some of
(34:14):
the interviews, and he kept coming up out of the players,
like in terms of when they discussed the team, the
direction they were trying to go in, or the like
the influence. Like I was having a hard time, Like,
there's an interesting exchange between him and Jalen Smith.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
What what's the.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Receiver's name, Brown, not the other one, Davonte Smith. Right,
they had an interesting exchange on the sideline during the
Super Bowl. Saquon and and and uh and and Jalen
had an interesting exchange on the sideline during the Super Bowl.
(34:52):
He's like a father. He's like a fatherlike figure on
the team. He has this quality. It kind of came,
you know, kind of evident in watching what you know,
I was looking at. It just was really cool to
see the way they interacted with him, in the way
he interacted back, and like Jalen, he was like or Davante,
(35:13):
He's like kind of like started crying, like got choked up.
Like real emotional and and the way he was speaking
to him, it was a very you know, calming, It
was a very very supportive way. And I feel like, honestly, Pete,
there's not enough leaders that have that quality and I
and I kind of admired it. So I'm not his agent,
(35:35):
but I kind of admired that because I had I
had a teammate or two that had that type of
quality about them as a leader, and it did it
did help me to be a better player. It did
help me when when moments like where you know, people
didn't talk about mental health the way they talk about
it now, you know what I mean. So there's a
lot of things that we don't we don't disclose to
(35:58):
to regular civilian and we we keep that internal and
and so to have somebody that can you can talk
to and and connect with on that that level and
you know that they are in it with you, I
feel like he's like at the top of the food
chain on being that type of person. And that's something
that should be even though it's not measurable in the
(36:20):
stat column, I feel like that's something that should be
a part of what these guys are talked about because
we certainly talk about when they're degenerates. We certainly talk
about guys when they don't do stuff the right way,
but they're really good football players, you know what I mean.
But that's not headline making type news when a guy
is like solid like that.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So I just figured that.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That's what he is. He's a solid. He's a really
good teammate, a good guy to have around, and so, yes,
I agree with you. He's a great person. I mean, look,
he handled being benched in the championship game as well
as anybody I've ever seen, and I kind of back
in the day, I kind of criticized him for that
because I wouldn't have been happy if that was me.
(36:59):
I'm a competitive guy. If I get pulled out of
a game, I'm not sitting there cheering on the guy
taking my job. I'm just not doing that. Sure, And
so would you.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
No, I would not. I would, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I would, but you know, I would clearly make it
known that I did not want to be pooled out,
you know, but I would support him.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I two interceptions on his first two passes, and they
yanked it back out and I went back in. Yeah,
that's what I would hope. I mean, come on, but look,
the bottom line is I'm an I guess leadership to
me has never been an issue for me and anything
because I'm always been a self starter. I don't need
somebody telling me what to do. I know what to do.
I know what to do. I'm going to be the
first guy in. I'm gonna be if I was a player,
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the first guy in, I'd be the last guy out.
I took my hands up. I'd had ten years in
the league, and I never I wouldn't get into any
kind of stupid trouble because I wait till after I
was done, and I'd do whatever the hell I want
to do with all the money. I put ten million
of it and one hundred dollars bills in a room
and go dive in it every day.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
That's what I Pete Prisco. We appreciate it. We'll do
it eachain next week a Tuesday tradition.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
By the way we have just done. You can go
become like some swami somewhere. According to Levars and that
everybody had to be that he's going to be the leader,
He's going to be the guru somewhere.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
He's gonna give it a bight have him call you so
he can help you out.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Pete, get him on ex at Priscovar. Thanks Pete, we
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
There, he is a great Pete Prisco. Coming up next,
we're going to close up shop here on this Tuesday
with Lee's Leftovers. Here on FSR, be.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
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Speaker 1 (38:44):
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(39:05):
for this.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
These might smell a little funky so incredible, but they're
still good.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Time to find out what's left. It's all right, d Lap,
what do we got well?
Speaker 7 (39:18):
Laurena gifted me this uh pot pourri or called Yeah.
I didn't realize you're supposed to spray it into the bowl.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I thought it was just like spray. Yeah, So what
doing before? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (39:32):
Before, so you spray it into the bowl before you go,
which you know sometimes I'm going and cutting it close,
so I don't know if I got time.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
To that's all right, you got enough time.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
What's the point of that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
It because it knocks down like the amount of funkiness
comes up out of the bowl.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
All right, but how do you know how bad it's
going to be until.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
You do it? Just assume that it's going to be bad.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, it was pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
So anyway, he said, it's just like a regular spray.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Did it work?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I mean I thought, I know. I don't think it did. Actually,
that's no better clinical help. That didn't work.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You're you're unfragranceable, less red meat.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I don't know,
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passes it tomorrow, he's got to come in clean and
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this show tomorrow. If not, I'm gonna do this all
over again.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Me.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
How many times do you get the potty hot.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Guy? You know?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
I mean it has been quite a few times. You
said he's come up hot. I mean, you know that's
some boy. You gotta stop stop suspending.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
We take the Major League Baseball from the late nineties approach,
you know, kind of a yeah, yeah, whatever kind of
one of those. So we will we will embrace him
with both arms should he return and pass his his
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all right. So Pooka Nakua huh was Pooka Nakua? Oh,
(01:52):
you can do what Rob Parker does on the challenge.
Whenever we talk about Pooka on KMBC, whatever his name
is mentioned, he.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Goes kazooon tide.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Pooka Nakua was on the Join the Lobby podcast and
he talked about what he sees as the end date
for his NFL career. Let's take a listen.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
I want to retire at the age of thirty. I'm
twenty three right now. I'm going into year three. I
think of Aaron Donald like man like to go out
at the top. I think it would be super cool.
But then also be like yo, like I want to
I want to have a big family, just like I want.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
I want to have at least the starting five. I'm like,
I came from a big family, said.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
He will fall I need five boys.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
I don't need five boys for sure, that's cool, but
also being like man, I want to be able to
be a part of their lives and like like be
as active as I can with them from like I
don't want to be the injuries are something that you
can't control part of the game. So like I'm man,
like you never know, hopefully like the rest of your
career go healthy. But like man, you have shoulder surgery,
you have knee surgery, you have an ankle and be
like yo, like by the time my kids could be eighteen,
I'm like, I could be very walking if I like,
(02:51):
if you play the game and like you sustain all
the injuries that but I want to retire early.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
So that was Pooka Nakua talking about his desire to
walk away at thirty years old. Part of me wonders
if maybe this past year has that early Maybe I
do wonder if this past year, dealing with the injuries,
if maybe he realized, yeah, this probably ain't gonna last forever,
(03:17):
you know, like it there's there's a reality that's set
in and maybe that made him sort of reassess how
long he wants to do this for because he did
take a little bit of a beating last year. It
started early, tried to come back, you know, there was
that back and forth. The end of the year didn't
then the right way for him either, And I just
wonder if that led him to all right, I got
(03:40):
to start thinking about long term what this is going
to look like. And apparently he's he's ready to get
on up out of here at thirty years old.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
How old is he right now?
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Twenty three?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yeah, See the whole thing for me, I mean I've
retired before thirty. I started getting injuries. When I blew
my achilles tendon, I was I walked away. I just
I don't think that that's retiring early though. I think
that's just not You're just not venturing deeper and further
(04:13):
into the profession as a player as you're aging. You know,
you're fortunate actually if you are able to make I
think the average is what three and a half years.
The average for a pro at the you know, football
level is three and a half. So he's been in
(04:36):
the league for what two years now? Yeah, so he's
twenty He was twenty one.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I'm assuming when he came in.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
In general, you're probably going to be like twenty three,
twenty four, twenty five at the latest when you're forced
to make a decision on changing professions.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
And he missed six games last year because of injuries.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Because injury, yeah, I think.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
I mean, you remember the linebacker from San fran He
there were guys at that moment in time where guys
were retiring early.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Because the head injury. Walked away.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He walked away pretty early. The other one that was
with him, yeah, like a year.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, it was like he had a really good year
and then he was like, yeah, this ain't worth it
and he wants Everybody has their different different approaches to
how they want to go about their career and what
what that looks like. I don't think there's a right
or a wrong answer. I know someone will subscribe to
the idea. Chris Borland was the name of the Portland
(05:41):
there you go.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, he was a bawler.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
You know, I think I think everybody kind of has
their own approach. More often than not, guys are going
to try to play as long as they can, and
there's the old saying they're going to have to kick
me out of the for me to stop playing. People
definitely go kicking and screaming at times. And then there's
(06:07):
certain guys that they retire when they're ready to retire, and.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
You know, it's it's a tricky thing.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
It's like retirement is tricky because sometimes you retire and
you don't really fully believe you're retiring, and it doesn't
it doesn't pan out that way. Like you continue to
play and you find ways to keep playing. Like I
think Charles Haley is a name that comes to mind
super quickly. It's like, yeah, I'll come back and play, Like, yeah,
(06:39):
let's do it, let's do it. A lot of guys
come back, will come back and play if a team
calls them. But then there's some guys that when they're done,
they're just they're done. I mean Barry Sanders walked away
early and he was done, and that was like the
whole the big thing was for many many many years,
it was like, is he going to come back. It
was like, Oh, it was like the Elvis Presley is
(07:01):
Elvis still alive? Type deal like that. That rumor was
was like a big one all the time, like will
he come back that one?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
And Bill Kuermber like will Bill right?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (07:15):
So I don't think there's a right or a wrong
answer to that. He wants to have a lot of kids,
and he wants them to be all boys, and he
wants to be able to walk with him and do
I don't think playing until you're in your thirties is
going to lead to you not being able to walk
and have a.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Healthy lifestyle with your kids.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
But if you are sustaining injuries that could lead you
down that path, then you know, everybody has different circumstances,
so you just got to measure it out and weigh
it out.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
And by the way, if you like, if you get
to the point where you're fulfilled, you've made your cash
and there's nothing really left, no desire like walk like
why not? Like you know what? Why why stay and
do it if you can and if he can get
out and he wants to pursue other things. I just
with his style of play, I don't look at that
(08:08):
as a well he's going to be around when he's
thirty eight years old, like he like, you know, he
took a little bit of a beating this past year,
and now there's going to be even more on his
plate because Cooper Cup is gone. And you know they
did add Davante Adams, but you know, pookin and a
coup is. You know, they would probably be more inclined
to want to keep Cooper Cup and try and make
(08:29):
that work if they didn't have a Pooka and Akua
who had played as well as he did his rookie
year and then you know, has all the promise and
the potential from this past year. It's just he took
a beating and he's probably looking around going all right,
how long do I want to do this for? Like
you know, and and to your point, you know, if
the average it is interesting that we look at it, go, well,
(08:52):
you know, just thirty years old, just thirty years old.
But if the average or you know, length of a
career is three years or three and a half years, man,
if you can if you can get eight years in
the league, like I mean, that's that's saying something you've
more than doubled what the average length of a playing
career is and so if he can get out with
(09:12):
a little bit of cash at that point and he's healthy, yeah,
go go live your life and do what you want
to do.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
The latest average on a person changing jobs is about
five to seven times during their working life.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Some some estimates suggest twelve jobs held between ages eighteen
to fifty four. You know what I mean. So in
the end, let's see, I have I have played played,
I did construction, play I then I played ball. Then
(09:49):
I did a restaurant, then I did well.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Okay, let's back up.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
While I was playing ball, I did television and radio.
Then once I transitioned out, I did a restaurant. Then
I went back into radio. Then I did TV. Then
I wrote for the Washington Post. Then I left and
did TV full time. Then I did I coached, Then
(10:23):
I did radio and TV again.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Now I do radio.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
It's like you're going to switch up, like things are
going to happen. You're going to live life, You're going
to get exposed to life. You're going to adapt and
adjust and evolve to the life that you're leading. You know,
some people may not do much of anything after they're
done playing you make enough money where if you're responsible
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fiscally for what you've made, you don't have to work anymore.
And then some of them they make good investments, and
their investments work for them and they generate a passive
income that supports and sustains.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Their lifestyle for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I've always been a risk taker, so I just think
that it kind of comes down to what you're into.
Like me, I'll get bored just sitting around, so I
gotta be doing something. If if that's something consists of,
you know, working, then you should work. If that consists
of doing yard work or you know, working out all
(11:28):
the time, whatever it may be, whatever your vice is,
as long as you're able to lead and live a
healthy life and lifestyle, then I don't think there should
be any problem with it. But people change professions. You're
not going to play football forever. I always tell my
kids kids, I mentored my own kids that you're going
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to live. If you're blessed enough, you're going to live
way more life than you're going to have years of
playing the game. And you have to be you have
to be able to adjust yourself and accept the fact
that you're not playing this game anymore, because when you're
done playing football, that's it. Like you can't like if
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you're a professional golfer, you can still go golf. You're
a professional basketball player, you could still go play basketball.
You can't just go casually play a real game of football.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
It's not the same.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
That's why I always feel for athletes when they walk
away at whatever age it is, and you know that
was your first love and you walk away and then
it's like, now what because I.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just have a hard time adjusting.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
And I told it because I just started putting myself
in that perspective. So my first love. You know, obviously
I love sports, but I couldn't play. I just wasn't good.
I didn't I didn't have the gifts. It just was
what it was. But I love radio. You would have
told me at twenty seven, twenty eight years old, whenever
it was oh, by the way, you can no longer
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do this. I don't know what the hell like I
would be lost because that was my first love. I've
been doing it for so long and now it's just gone.
Almost like a crutch, if you will, something that was
there at all times, somebody just takes it away and
you can't physically do it anymore. I have no idea
what the hell I would do. And so that's why
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I always feel for athletes when you find out like, oh,
you know, so and so is having a rough time
coming to terms with the end of it. I look
at it. I go, people I think just looked at think, well,
you made all that money and all this, you know,
go you go do something else. Like no, man, it's
not just about the money. That's that was your routine.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Your passion. Yeah, like you know your why.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Since since you were what like six seven years old?
That's that's what you knew.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Ey for me, he and I you know, I didn't.
I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
I always looked at football like it's my love. I mean,
I loved competing, but I love making money, I know that.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And I love.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Prizes like I've always loved winning trophies or winning winning
medals and stuff like the real ones like first, second place,
like not not the participation ones, like the real ones.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know. Yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
I've never been interested in in those. I've I've always
been like interested in the real ones, you know. And
so I always say, you know, if you can find
something that you can, you know, kind of wrap your
mind around, like being passionate about it, then you know
you've you've done something that's really really good for you
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because having having something that you can, you know, do
that you're passionate about doesn't come across as a job,
you know. And and so for me it's it's interesting.
I wasn't a media person. I didn't think that I'd
end up in media. Just so happens. I speak my
mind and I did it so often and I said
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it about so many interesting things that people were like,
you should go into media. So I ended up going
to the media. But what really really keeps me, you know,
on my toes and wanting to do media the way
that I do it is competition.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I want to be the best at what I do.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
And so when I was like, okay, I'm pretty good
at you know, getting on a microphone, I know some
people think I may suck, But I bet you if
you get on a microphone and I get on a
microphone and we listened to one another, and I probably
own you, you know. So it's not as simple as
people think. When when the red light goes on and
you're speaking live radio for the amount of time, and
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I could tell you the first time I ever did radio,
I did it by myself. I did I did radio
for free, just to figure out if if I could
do a show. Now I've done radio before. I did
radio with coach John Thompson and Doc Walker while I
was playing, but doing a show by yourself, Like, can
you think back to the first time you did a
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radio show, like your first shows?
Speaker 1 (16:14):
I can remember the first time I went on the
air and it was worse than bad. How how long
was the show was I was? I was doing a
hit from a game I was doing. I was part
of a show.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
That's not the same, Like, when was the first time
you did a show like that? I can remember the
first time I did a show.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Join Its thousand and nine.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Maybe I was on a gospel channel. I was on
a gospel channel what makes sense, And they were playing
Christian music and this, that and the other, and then
it paused for an hour for sports talk with LeVar.
Then it went back to gospel and then the station folded.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
But I was doing it when it came on.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Let me tell you something, running running a show, doing
doing content, doing a show is super difficult and people
figure it out when they do it that it's not
as simple as people you know, kind of make it,
you know, feel like or you know, just how do
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you how do.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
You run an hour of content?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
You gotta know the you gotta know the timing, you
gotta know all everything that's going on. So for me,
it was such a challenge to try to be as
good at it as I could possibly be. And I
just think that you know, as long as you're finding
something that you can compete in and and you know
it kind of checks the boxes off for you and
how you feel emotionally, that's what you should do. So
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if he wants to end his career early and start
a new one or just live as life off of
the money he's made, I would suggest that that's what
he should do.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah, do your thing. Two pros and a cup of
Joe Here, Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with
you coming up next here, though it is a Tuesday tradition,
mister red Ass himself, Pete Prisco, Who's he got an
issue with? Who's he got a problem with? He wants
the smoke, and we'll get the smoke from him coming
up next here from the tirack dot Com studios.
Speaker 6 (18:24):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 4 (18:46):
Yeah, Canelo's coming to the coming to the Ring.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Well, I gotta be Canelo.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
This is the type of music he plays when he
walks out.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox
Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. So
coming up in about twenty minutes from now, we're going
to close up shop with another edition of Lee's Leftovers.
That'll be yours here on FSR. But right now it
is a Tuesday tradition. He is Pete Prisco, senior NFL
columnist for CBS Sports, CBS Sports HQ analyst, and you
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can get him on x at Prisco, CBS. Pete, good morning.
Who do you get a problem with today?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well? I thought you were playing that nice to opera
music for me.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
That's not opera opera?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Pete, geez?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
What is that?
Speaker 3 (19:41):
That's good? Hispanic?
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Mariachi?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Is it Mexican?
Speaker 2 (19:48):
I couldn't hear it.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Oh, there you go. Okay, I thought it was opera music,
all right, there you go.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
I love eating some frat fish and rice and and
a salad with some something you know, with some servasis
to this music right here, Pete Prisco, that's.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Gonna be yeah. Yeah, you get the Mariazzi.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Band out there, Pete, what bothers you this week? Because
usually there's something that kind of rubs you the wrong way,
something that kind of pisses you off. Is there anything
this week that has kind of set you off? When
it comes to the NFL or just the coverage of
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, Pro days they all set me off. I mean, yeah, everybody,
everybody has the greatest throwing session in the history of
mankind of a pro day. Even if a wide receiver
runs four eight, Oh my god, no, he's not slow.
But if a guy runs for one, he's the fastest
guy in the world, even though he doesn't play to it.
Pro days are the biggest waste of time in the
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history of mankind. If he asked me, I mean, you
put the tape on and watch a guy. If he
plays fast, he's fast. If he doesn't play fast, he's
not fast. I remember one time I said to Jerry Rice,
I go, hey, Jerry, you know you came out of school.
You didn't run very fast. You ran like a four
to six. What made you be? He goes look at me,
and he looked me straight in the eye and he said,
do you ever see anybody catch me from behind? I
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said no, He goes, there you go. That's all that matters.
You play fast. You are fast if you know, that's
the way it is. And you can't go by forty
times and throws against the air at a Pro day
like cam Ward had. Now cam Woard through the football well,
but he throws the football well when he's playing. So
I think that's that's the thing that irks me the
most is Pro days and putting so much stock into them.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
Pete, let me ask you this because I'm glad you
you you answered it the way you did. I was
watching your your your your choices between quarterbacks? Is there like,
do you how much value do you place on intangibles?
Because I got to say, I think you, just like
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some of the other people that cover, you know, the sport, y'all,
don't look at the intangibles as much as y'all look
at the tangibles, meaning like you you were in on
all these different quarterbacks being better than Jalen Hurts. But
I really really get the impression, Peete, that the intangibles
that Jalen Hurts brings to the table might make him
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just as much valuable, if not more valuable, than guys
who have more tangible talent than what he has.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
You're trying to bait me Onalen Hurts again.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I'm just I'm not I'm not going to say it's
a bait. I'm just saying I just think that he brings.
He brings the leadership quality, he brings a connective quality
that the person that he is that I believe is
the reason why the Philadelphia Eagles do as well as
they do. And it doesn't show up in the stat category,
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doesn't show up in you know that that manner, but
it does show up in the way that the guys
play and and they'll tell you, you know, like I
just watched, Uh, who's the Who's Who's the linebacker from Georgia?
Not not Dean, the other one? Is it Smith? I
believe Nolan Smith?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Is it Nolan Smith?
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:16):
And he was just speaking on how much he you know,
he feels about Jalen Hurts and and compared to them,
to Cam Newton in terms of the relevancy that he
brought to the Carolina Panthers when he played there because
of his leadership and how guys bought into him. I mean,
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doesn't that whole doesn't I mean, I'm just curious. Shouldn't
not hold Wait Pete, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Absolutely holds. Wait. But let me ask you this, LeVar.
Were you a leader?
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I was?
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I mean.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I think I rally around. I never wanted to be
a focal point. I was not like a focal point leader.
I was more like a leader by what I do.
What I did?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, and you were good and you were good,
So they rally. People follow good players leaders good players.
If a quarterback is a great leader, oh he's a leader,
he's a winner, he's a leader, and he stinks you're
not going to follow him. I'm not saying that's tou
Jalen hurt Is because he's a good player. But leadership
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is one. I mean, leader rob the guy in the
front of the team leading calisthenics, that's garbage. The leaders
are the guys who are good, who are the first
ones in the building and the last ones in and
do it the right way. They work their ass off,
they go to practice, they practice hard, and they're good teammates.
That's who a good leader is, not the guy jumping
in the front of the Calisthenics line saying let's go,
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let's go, let's go, raw Rock. It's just like these
coaches with these speeches, these pregame speeches. You know, I've
had many a coach tell me. I remember back in
the day, one coach told me, he goes, look, I'm
going to use this general speed, and he told us
what he told his soldiers and everything. I said, no,
you don't need that. Just go in there and tell
him to rip it right up the hinges. That's what
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you tell them. I mean, that's all you have to do.
Just just go in there and play the game like
a nasty, violent animal. That's the way you play the game.
And so these guys all with the raw rod speed,
just so the hell needs to hear that, Just go play.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Pete Prisco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio at Prisco,
CBS on aces where you can get him. Pete. I
think LeVar and I were kind of in the same
thinking when this news came out that Jamis Winston signed
with the Giants. That okay, then that means that this
is looking like Shadoor goes number three to New York
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if he's there, do you fall on along the same
lines or do you think the Giants are really going
to add another quarterback not name shad Or Sanders.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
But if they add another quarterback and I'm not named
shad Or Sanders like a Russell Wilson, then what are
you doing. You're just delaying the inevitable. I'm with you.
It should be Shador Sanders at three. And whether you
believe Sdor Sanders should be drafted at three or not,
which is an entirely different subject. What should happen is
they should take them. And here's a couple of reasons why.
Until you fill that position, you're going to be chasing
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it forever and ever, so may as well take a
swing at it and take a shot at Shador Sanders.
The other part of that is if you draft s
your door Sanders and you're that front office and that
coaching staff, it might give you an extra year. Your
job is on the line because you draft a young
quarterback and he shows promise and he plays, and even
if you win eight games or seven games, you don't
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make the playoffs. But he's starting to throw the ball around,
and you infect there's progress there. They're not going to
get ready yet. So you can save your own ass
by drafting Schador Sanders. But you can also go in
and say, you know what, we might have our quarterback
for the long term, So why wouldn't you. It makes
no sense to me not to take one in that
scenario if you're the New York Giants.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Pete, we were having a debate conversation earlier about the
number one draft pick, and I think the dilemma here
is I don't believe any of the quarterbacks in this
draft are number one pick talents.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I mean and.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Respectfully, because I think the three that everyone continues to
talk about, even Milrow in the conversation now, are fine quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
I just don't think they're number one.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
Pick two or three picks. With the other prospects and
how they're grading out. You get a guy like Abdul Carter,
they say he's grading out as close to Miles Garrett
as any prospect coming out since Miles Garrett. You got
a guy like Travis Hunter, that is in the draft.
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How much of a dilemma is this for the Tennessee
Titans and what it is that they're planning on doing
with that pick, Because to take a player number one
that isn't a number one one type of guy in
terms at my estimation, to take him number one, I
feel like that is a tremendous That's a miss when
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you know that there is a guy on the board
that has graded as high as another prospect being in
a different position than quarterback.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
It's the age old argument, lilar. I mean, you know,
do you pass on the guy you think is the
better player at his position to take a quarterback at
the most valuable position who might not be as good
playing that position? You know what I mean. It's the
age old argument. And that's why you have so many
quarterback misses in this league because guys have forced them
up the board and they panic, and I get it,
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you have to panic. But if I'm the Titans and
you guys know how I feel about Will Levis, I'll
take another year with him and draft Carter. That's what
I would do. I want the dynamic d rusher. If
I want him, he's going to change the game. Constantly
for the next ten years. If you get the right guy,
which I think Carter is the right guy, and then
you can get as go back into the draft next
year and get your quarterback. And remember, the Titans are
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in a different scenario than the Giants are. Their front
office is new. They don't have to panic. The coach
isn't new, but the front office is, and so they're
the ones making the football decisions. They don't have to
sit there and say we have to get a quarterback,
because they can go into next year's draft, which by
the way, looks like it's going to be a much
better quarterback draft. So you can take Carter, get the
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best player, and then come back next year, play with
Levis if you have to, and then come back next year,
and if you need to get a quarterback, you go
get your quarterback. So I'm with you. I think sometimes
we force these quarterbacks up the draft board and it
ultimately ends up making you chase your tail. All these
teams have done. Look at the Steelers. What are the
Steelers doing right now? They're chasing their tail? Why because
they pick it a couple of years ago and it
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didn't work out. So I'm with you. One draft the
best football player at a premium position. Don't get me wrong.
You can't take the best guard at number one overall,
but you can take the best pass rusher and make
him the choice of number one.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
You may mention the Steelers there. Obviously, the Aaron Rodgers
discussion is separate. It feels like that's how the single
whole thing is going to end up ultimately. But what
do you make of what has happened to Russell Wilson
in the span of four years where it was borderline
Hall of Fame or to option B or C at
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best for multiple teams around the NFL.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Let me quickly ask you this, how many times a
week do you guys talk about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
All I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
About Jonas talked about Aaron Rodgers at least twice a day.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I don't know why LaVar keeps bringing him.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Up at least it's unbelievable. We do too. We're the
same one everything. Wait, let's say it's going to be around.
It's Aaron signed this contract or he goes to the
Steelers every day. What are we doing every single day?
He's got the whole football, the whole entire NFL media
landscape on hold, waiting for him to make a damn decision.
Make the decision. Look, bottom line is Russell Wilson not
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very good last four years. He holds the ball. It's
all he does. He holds the ball, he leaves clean pockets,
he throws moon balls, and he hasn't been a very
good player in the last four years. And I know
Brady's not there to defend him like he always does,
but you know, he's not very good. And so here's
the thing. Somebody said, what if the Giants signed you know,
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Jamis and Russell Wilson and still drafted Shador Sanders, Right.
I mean, first off, you want to teach your quarterback
how to get the ball out of your hands. You
don't want to learn from those two. I mean they
held the ball more than anybody to both of them. Look,
I love Jamis Winston. He's a great It is a
great thing to watch because he can be so streaky
and so good, but he always holds the ball. Russell
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Wilson holds the ball as much as anybody, So I
just don't think it works. So where does he end up?
I think the Steelers have him on hold in case
they don't get Rogers, and if that's the case, then
he'll wait around and then he maybe goes back to
the Steelers. But again, you're right, it's done, it's over.
I think he's a backup quarterback in the NFL. Now,
I think that's what he is, and it's it's happened
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in a hurry.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
But he is a leader, right, Well, I'll say I'll
say this.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I know you were picking like everybody, and it pained
you to even sit there and have to, you know,
debate Jalen Hurts and and uh, Trevor, Trevor Lawrence. I
saw how much pain was in your face. But I
got to tell you, I think Jalen Hurts is a
hell of a ball player with with a leadership quality
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that separates him from from normal other guys. That's what
I think. That's I think his secret power. And he's
like he's like the profess professor Xavier, you know, he's
like he might be the one that isn't necessarily out
there in the field like Logan or like you know,
Cyclops or any of the Nightcrawler, but he leads them,
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he keeps them together, and he make sure everybody's going
in the direction and there is that is a talent,
and that is a gift if you have that in
your repertoire. So to me, I don't know that. I
feel like Russ is the total antithesis of that. In fact,
like I wish Russell Wilson would be on the sideline
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telling me say run run past past. I slapped the
hell out of him, you know what I mean, like,
get your ass up out of my face.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
You're not wrong, You're not wrong. The bar Russ. The
teammates around Russ looked at him and went, come on,
that's you know, that's not that's not He's not that.
He's not he's not going to make them want to
go play for him. You're exactly one accurate. So yeah,
I would say, you're right, and look, Jalen Hurts works
his butt off, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
And they responded, hell of a player, hell of a player.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
But you know what, are you an agent now or something?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
No, I'm not. I'm not his agent, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:52):
I was just it's funny I've been like I was like,
I don't know why I was taking a deep dive
on Philly, but I was looking looking at their roster.
I was looking at their team. Obviously, I've always kept
up with Saquon and what he's got going on, So
I was just looking at the team, how they're constructed,
what they're doing. And I was listening to some of
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the interviews, and he kept coming up out of the players,
like in terms of when they discussed the team, the
direction they were trying to go in, or the like
the influence. Like I was having a hard time, Like,
there's an interesting exchange between him and Jalen Smith.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
What what's the.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Receiver's name, Brown, not the other one, Davonte Smith. Right,
they had an interesting exchange on the sideline during the
Super Bowl. Saquon and and and uh and and Jalen
had an interesting exchange on the sideline during the Super Bowl.
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He's like a father. He's like a fatherlike figure on
the team. He has this quality. It kind of came,
you know, kind of evident in watching what you know,
I was looking at. It just was really cool to
see the way they interacted with him, in the way
he interacted back, and like Jalen, he was like or Davante,
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He's like kind of like started crying, like got choked up.
Like real emotional and and the way he was speaking
to him, it was a very you know, calming, It
was a very very supportive way. And I feel like, honestly, Pete,
there's not enough leaders that have that quality and I
and I kind of admired it. So I'm not his agent,
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but I kind of admired that because I had I
had a teammate or two that had that type of
quality about them as a leader, and it did it
did help me to be a better player. It did
help me when when moments like where you know, people
didn't talk about mental health the way they talk about
it now, you know what I mean. So there's a
lot of things that we don't we don't disclose to
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to regular civilian and we we keep that internal and
and so to have somebody that can you can talk
to and and connect with on that that level and
you know that they are in it with you, I
feel like he's like at the top of the food
chain on being that type of person. And that's something
that should be even though it's not measurable in the
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stat column, I feel like that's something that should be
a part of what these guys are talked about because
we certainly talk about when they're degenerates. We certainly talk
about guys when they don't do stuff the right way,
but they're really good football players, you know what I mean.
But that's not headline making type news when a guy
is like solid like that.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
So I just figured that.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
That's what he is. He's a solid. He's a really
good teammate, a good guy to have around, and so, yes,
I agree with you. He's a great person. I mean, look,
he handled being benched in the championship game as well
as anybody I've ever seen, and I kind of back
in the day, I kind of criticized him for that
because I wouldn't have been happy if that was me.
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I'm a competitive guy. If I get pulled out of
a game, I'm not sitting there cheering on the guy
taking my job. I'm just not doing that. Sure, And
so would you.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
No, I would not. I would, but I wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
I would, but you know, I would clearly make it
known that I did not want to be pooled out,
you know, but I would support him.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
I two interceptions on his first two passes, and they
yanked it back out and I went back in. Yeah,
that's what I would hope. I mean, come on, but look,
the bottom line is I'm an I guess leadership to
me has never been an issue for me and anything
because I'm always been a self starter. I don't need
somebody telling me what to do. I know what to do.
I know what to do. I'm going to be the
first guy in. I'm gonna be if I was a player,
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the first guy in, I'd be the last guy out.
I took my hands up. I'd had ten years in
the league, and I never I wouldn't get into any
kind of stupid trouble because I wait till after I
was done, and I'd do whatever the hell I want
to do with all the money. I put ten million
of it and one hundred dollars bills in a room
and go dive in it every day.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
That's what I Pete Prisco. We appreciate it. We'll do
it eachain next week a Tuesday tradition.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
By the way we have just done. You can go
become like some swami somewhere. According to Levars and that
everybody had to be that he's going to be the leader,
He's going to be the guru somewhere.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
He's gonna give it a bight have him call you so
he can help you out.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Pete, get him on ex at Priscovar. Thanks Pete, we
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
There, he is a great Pete Prisco. Coming up next,
we're going to close up shop here on this Tuesday
with Lee's Leftovers. Here on FSR, be.
Speaker 6 (38:33):
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(39:05):
for this.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
These might smell a little funky so incredible, but they're
still good.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Time to find out what's left. It's all right, d Lap,
what do we got well?
Speaker 7 (39:18):
Laurena gifted me this uh pot pourri or called Yeah.
I didn't realize you're supposed to spray it into the bowl.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I thought it was just like spray. Yeah, So what
doing before? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (39:32):
Before, so you spray it into the bowl before you go,
which you know sometimes I'm going and cutting it close,
so I don't know if I got time.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
To that's all right, you got enough time.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
What's the point of that? Oh?
Speaker 4 (39:42):
It because it knocks down like the amount of funkiness
comes up out of the bowl.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
All right, but how do you know how bad it's
going to be until.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
You do it? Just assume that it's going to be bad.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, it was pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
So anyway, he said, it's just like a regular spray.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
Did it work?
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I mean I thought, I know. I don't think it did. Actually,
that's no better clinical help. That didn't work.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
You're you're unfragranceable, less red meat.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
I don't know,
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