June 4, 2025 • 38 mins
The Old P, Petros Papadakis praises the Dodgers, rips James Dolan for firing Tom Thibodeau, explains uphill battles for freshman in CFB and Kylie Jenner’s horse head vs Timothee Chalamet. Plus, crazy talk surrounding Sam Darnold and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
Good morning, how are we feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Good morning, guys, Good morning. Great to hear from everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So Petros, another another walkoff win for the LA Dot
Drews last night.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well last night, you know they didn't walk it off.
They were at home and they lost. It's hard to
walk it off on the road. What do you mean,
It's just really hard to walk it off on the road.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, I'm saying, yeah, but they walked it off last
night last night.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, it just reminds me of a question that a
reporter asked Dave Roberts.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh, in a few years, what's the question they.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Asked Dave Roberts because it was after like another Dodger
walk off and they were having a real exciting season.
I think this year's Dodger team is really a droit
at coming back in games that they were down, and
they almost did it two nights ago against the Mets,
who were in town with Juan Soto who's not doing
his special dance because he's bummed out in his family.
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He's like Freddie Freeman when he left Atlanta. He's like
super bummed out.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But anyway, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Uh, what were we talking about?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
This guy asked Dave Roberts, like, Hey, how come all
your walkoffs are at home? Is there something about this
home crowd that really gets you going? That really gets
his team going? And Dave Roberts had a very nice answer,
he said, well, he's very difficult to walk it off.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
On the road.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So who asked the question best, I don't remember.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
It was some no, it was like a younger reporter.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So everybody was trying to be cool about it.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It wasn't like a kid though, But yeah, you can't
walk it off on the road. Dodgers are at home
and they walked it off last night against the Mets,
and show Heyo Tommy spectacular. He's still not pitching. They
have a lot of bullpen problems. They paid Tanner Scott,
this guy who was supposed to be like a baseball assassin,
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as the number one closer, and I think he's already
blown six saves and it's early June. So that's a problem.
They have some bullpen issues, but the Dodger problems are
first world problems. They're doing quite well, and they won
last night against the Mets. I did stay up to
watch it. Hell yeah, which is why I forgot my points.
Short term memory loss from Blackhawta from a bowl in
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the ring back in the day.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Well that yeah, that too.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I've aggravated a lot of old football injuries every time
somebody just taps my forehead with a pencil, doawn.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Speaking of bull in the ring, Petros, how many like
when you played, how many different locker rooms did you
play in? In terms of like I guess high level
like whether it was did you have the same coach
the entire time when you were as he was, okay,
so you had a different coach.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
When I arrived at SCA, it was John Robinson, and
then Paul Hackett took over Paul Hackett and then it
was Pete Carroll, who I did not play for. A
lot of the guys I played for played for Pete Carroll.
And the year two thousand and one was Pete Carroll's
first year, and that was my first year in the media,
and I kind of got to know Pete and USC
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two off and Pete Carroll took off, and I kind
of was hanging on for the ride, starting out doing
radio and TV here in town.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
So that's kind of my story.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
But it is interesting, you know because back in my
time and our time, I should say that when there
was a coaching change, which I don't believe you experienced
at the college level, I know spring football was a bloodbath.
Like spring football, you know, where we really put on
pads and really got after each other and really had
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like thirty to forty play run drills every day. That
was like you have to show out for the new
coaching staff. One thing that was very interesting that a
lot of people didn't realize and maybe they don't realize
it now, was that Ed Ojeron was on the Paul
Hackett staff. He was not hired by Pete Carroll. Well,
he was rehired by Pete Carroll, but he was already
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at SC when Pete Carroll took over and had that
very important piece already in defensive room. But yeah, that's
that was my experience. I was in kind of two
different locker rooms. John Robinson a much more player friendly coach,
I guess you'd say, with a lot more lenient, especially
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with star players. Paul Hackett, on the other hand, miss
a class, get up at five.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
In the morning and roll like a log to you barf.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Kind of coach.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Well, you know, both both of those coaching styles have
their benefits.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, so that's why I was I was asking in
terms of culturally speaking, because again, I don't feel like
in a lot of ways the regular workforce people tend
to look at how an employer versus an employee, what
that relationship looks like in the dynamic of it, and
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how the culture plays a part. And while I say
in regular society, culture in the business place is everything,
but it's different than the culture being everything in sports,
especially at higher levels college pro, it's it's very the
culture has to have a very unique mix and the
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blend of like what the respect factor is, the understanding
of what the coach wants versus what the collective feelings
of what the players want. We just saw Tim Thibodeau,
you know, get get fired from the next year to Tom. Yeah,
Tom get fired from the mix.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The Christian better looking version of Tom Thibodeau, Tim Tebodeaux.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Tim Tebadeau. Yeah, you like that. That's funny. My bad. Anyway,
It's interesting because I'm curious. I feel like when you
have players that love the coach, which it seems like
all the players are really into Thibodeaux, and they yet
they get rid of them. You know, how does that
play a part? Because when you have a coaching change,
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just like you got to impress the coaches, like you said,
in those practices, those those coaches have to impress the
players as well, because there has to be a belief
in winning. Like what's your kind of you know, your
perspective off culture.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
When I played college football, as you know, there was
not the same kind of boundary today, right, like we
couldn't go anywhere if I transferred in college football, and
that was a terrible stigma that I still carry today
that I signed a letter of intent and wasn't able
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to complete it, wasn't able to honor the contract, and
that bothers me. It really does. But it's a very
different it's a very different time in college and pro athletics.
That being said, the dynamics of a pro basketball team is.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Hard for me to understand.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I mean, we're talking about guys that have really, really
proven it at the highest level. I mean, it's one
thing to make an NFL team. It's one thing to
make MLB Baseball team or have a cup of coffee
in the major leagues. It's a whole other thing to
make an NBA team consistently. I mean, because there's so
few guys. So that dynamic has always been fascinating, and
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it's very difficult, I think, to be a head coach
at any level of any kind of sport. But the
NBA has got to be the toughest because and you know,
football is like this now too. It didn't really used
to be when we were younger, and everybody had the
same football coach who looked one hundred years old for
like fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Thirty years yea, yeah, Chuck.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Knock, Bud Grant, Yeah, you know, Chuck Knowle, Marv Levy,
you know, it goes on and on. All the coaches
kind of look like that. And now the coaches are
the first guy on the chopping block.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Unless you know.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
John Harbaugh or Jim Harbaugh or somebody more celebrated like that, generally,
you're coach is the first guy to get fired at
the NFL or NBA level, And it proved out with
the Tim Tebadaux situation, even though he ran a sweet option.
Tom Thibodeaux known as a great defensive coach and a
lot of people love him. I think the X factor
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with the Knick situation that I'm not super familiar with
other than the fact that you know, I watched all
the New Yorkers freak out in the NBA freak out
hoping that the Knicks were going to make it into
the final and they could play the concrete Jungle where
dreams were made of song over and over and over
again until your brain MUSHes and bleeds out of your ears.
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But I think it's a more a more delicate situation.
Also their owner is like a legit crazy man JB
and the straight JD and the straight shot Jim Dolan.
That's the name of his sweet ass band, his blues
band where he hired like a bunch of really really
famous or reputable studio musicians tours.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Around with him like he belongs on stage. So it's
a whole it's a whole wild situation.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But look, I mean, but you look at like Mi
Alma Mater and these and these different stories that are
unfolding over the years in modern sports, and at USC
it's like they'd fire Lincoln Riley if he didn't have
such a big buyout and and at a certain point
the money does matter, and.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Maybe not for JD in the straight shop.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But I don't know, I don't know what direction you
go in from there, Like who do you hire from there.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
To to ignite the team?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Was it Thibodeaux that was really fueling their success or
was he holding them back and holding back their star players?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Obviously somebody thought that.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But a sad situation for the guy with not a
lot of hair who kind of looks like.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
The penguin Petros pabegs joining us.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I've been compared to the Penguin the past to Jonas.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I don't think so. I would I would disagree with
that comparison.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean, how many times do you say that Fox
Sports Radio, Jonas?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I know I'm on the radio.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Right I am resetting it for the I know, trying
to be a broadcast professional. But it is when you
mentioned sort of what direction you go in here and
was it Tom Thibodeau's fault and all that, that's why
whatever there.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Was call them tis like they're friends with him. Yeah, like, oh,
you know how TIBs is. It's like, you know what, Actually, no,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I don't not at all. I live on the other
side of them a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well, it's like we've never even been in Madison, Scar
It's like golf blowhards who called the golfers by the
first name. Hey, hey, Scotty, do you see what Scotty
did on the seventeenth? No, what did douche do on
the seventeenth? But when that's why, whenever the conversation was
being had about Dave Roberts, when the Dodgers would come
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short in the postseason, and it was like, well, Dave
Robert should be fired, and my thought on it the
whole time was Yeah, but is he the one that's
you know, going one for eighteen like Mookie Bets and
Freddie Freeman in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Is that him?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
At some point, don't players are very accountable?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But you can't get rid of those guys, right, you
can get rid of Dave Roberts and it's cheaper, and
it's even worse. I mean, I've seen this over the
years and you can track it. There's like baseball or
football franchises that aren't doing well and they don't really
know what to do to make a change, so they
like fire the play by play guy. And that happened
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to Steve PHYSIOK with the Angels. I mean that really, yeah,
I mean that you know that, well, let's change it up,
will fire the play by play guy. And it's like,
you know, obviously it has to be somebody that that
I don't know, maybe they don't care as much about
That's not fair to say about Steve because he's such
a wonderful guy.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I thought you were going to say Roger Lodge, so.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, you know, I mean, sometimes they pull the trigger
on a guy's just just for a breath of fresh air,
because the team's not doing well, and that guy has
nothing to do with the lack of success of the team,
But the other people are getting paid too much to
touch them. Same situation with USC and the GM. You know,
they can't fire the head coach, but they made him
fire his good old boy BFF, who was the GM
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at USC that wasn't really doing GM work, and they
went and hired a real GM, and now that's their
big talking point for the offseason and a recruiting class
that may or may not come in twenty twenty six.
I'm sorry to keep prkening back to USC, but you
did ask me about the culture changes when I was there,
so it's always a unique situation.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
It's always interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
The chemistry of a team is one of the more
complex things. I mean, just going back to thinking about
how you prepare for a bowl game at the college
level with young people. After you've been playing weekly for
months and months, suddenly you're not playing games and you
have to find a way to play your best game
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after not playing for two or three weeks or four
weeks in some In some occasions, that's crazy too, Like
the chemistry of a football team is a mystery that
cannot be solved by the wisest scientists that ever lived.
Basketball where there's fewer people, you know, maybe you do
pull one little string and things change. But I think
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anybody trusting Jim Dolan and his Blues Band to make
the right decision with his basketball team one of the
most recognized franchises in the history of sport, is I mean,
very in trouble. I would say.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
My last question for you, I know we're up against
the breakers. I mean, you know it is what it is.
You just adio you you mentioned I have a clock
in my head. You know we got it. I could
dig it. Bro. You guys have a top five recruiting
class for twenty six right now.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I can't wait to see them freshman in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I mean you mentioned if you know, if the coach
is still there, do you think he will survive to
see the top five class come in? And do you
think that maybe it is just he just needs a
little bit more time, because I mean that that's a
very highly you know, that's a highly rating. I think
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five I saw was what they were rated, four or five.
I mean, that's that's a pretty high high mark in
today's recruiting uh, you know, climate, it's very difficult to
get in the top five where we are right now
in the NIL space.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's something, Yeah, it is something to consider, but I
would I would rebut by asking you this in today's
day and age, with NIL being what it is and
the transfer portal being wide open and teams being generally
older because of that, and we see it in college
basketball too, how many freshmen do you think can contribute
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even on a normal team, even on a team like
you and I would have played on back in the day, Like,
even if you have a great recruiting class.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So maybe question.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Maybe two or three of those guys help you that year,
maybe seven or that's why.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
But when did you say that's why having such a
highly recruited class is all that really matters.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
It's a stalling technique for pr because you don't really
know if they're.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Coming or not.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I mean, they're just verbally that's true.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean that's like saying this girl said she was
going to go to the problem with me next year.
I can't wait. You know, women are fickle, and so
are college football players.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I would say they look at the stars, which I
don't know how much people should put into how many
stars a guy has, but that is what these these
universities do as well. I would say to the point
of older guys being taken into portal and transfers that way,
I still think that when you see a four star,
five star come into your program, they have the opportunity
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to make an immediate impact.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, you're right, you know, you know they're supposed to.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And if they don't make it, usually, if they don't
make an immediate impact, if they're that big.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Of a recruit, usually you find them in.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
The transfer portal into portal a little bit later.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
And we've seen a lot of that too. I would
say this LeVar to answer all of it. I think
us he's finally doing, recruiting wise, what they should have
been doing for years under Lincoln Riley or Clay Helton
or anybody, which is build a very very serious and
very very formidable fence around the area, recruit it and
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live and die with it. And that's what the new
GM Chad Boden that they hired was kind of tasked
to do. I don't have faith in Lincoln Riley's ability
to develop those guys anyway. He hasn't proven it to
me and I've not seen it so and I don't
know if they're coming. It's just if us he's standing
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on the twenty twenty six recruiting class for hey, don't
worry about us, then they're standing on jello in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
But it's better than not having.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
A great twenty twenty six recruiting class, I suppose. But
it is something like people stop me in the street
and they're like, can you believe this class right? You
know in twenty twenty six that may or may not
come that could you know half of them could verbally
decommit when one of them goes sure, but you're standing
on You're standing on jello. I did find some interesting
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fact that I came across the other day in regards
to the Knicks that I think you guys might enjoy.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Oh yeah, are you ready? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Do you know the etymology of the name Knickerbucker? No Nicks?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
We did, no, No, well, yes we do. It was
they said it was something about like clothing or something
like that.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yeah, well, yes, you're right. It's because of the way
that Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
We talked about it the other week.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, the pants style.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But the reason that came out The reason that word
became popular was Washington Irving, who's a really famous writer
and the guy that really kind of wrote and put
New York on the map as a writer, same guy
that wrote Sleepy Hollow, you know, with Thickabod Crane and
the Headless Horse. Yeah, Washington Irving wrote a very very
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significant book called The History of New York, which he
wrote under a pseudonym of a guy named Dietrich Knickerbocker,
which is what popularized the name.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
A knickerbocker used to.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Be the way that a Dutch guy would dress, you know,
with his pants way up walking around New York, and
a lot of Dutch immigrants there in that time, and
that's how they would wear their pants, so they got
called knickerbocker's. And then this guy wrote The History of
New York with the Dietrich Knickerbocker name, and that popularized
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the name knickerbocker in relation to New York and anybody
from New York after a while, no matter how you
wore your pants, cross colors, z Cavarici's, those tight jeans,
skinny jeans, you're you're a knickerbocker regardless.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Now, Damn Washington Irving and all these years later, Tracy
Morgan throwing up on the floor.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
There a matter right back, all these years later, Kylie
Jenner swallowing Timothy Shaumette's little pebble head by.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
The way, how big?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
How big is Timothy Champagne or whatever that guy's name is?
How big is he? Is he smaller than her? Is
he shorter than.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, she's a big horse. I think she just mounts
him and just rides him into oblivion.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Right, Belmont Stakes. You're supposed to ride longer race too.
You know she's been with a lot of guys. There's
an extra furlong.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
In that race.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Could you imagine a horse riding Jackie. He's like a
little jockey. He's like, he's like, he's like shoemaker. He
jumps on that big boy.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Bob Baffert got her, got her on the gas like
she's a was.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
The milkshase, Yes, Larry David.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Crowd, Yeah, that's right, Petrose, We appreciate it. You can
get him on the old p He's the cost of
the Petros money show, which you can hear on the blowtorch.
A M five seventy l A sports later on this afternoon,
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know you start, you start with the Dodgers, end with
Kylie Jenner as a as a horse. That's how goes
bar So we do here a whole damn all right
coming up next here though, on Two Crows and a
Cup of Joe. Somebody in the NFL thinks it's crazy talk,
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crazy talk. If you think this will happen with his
starting quarterback, find out who it is here on FSR.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
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Speaker 4 (22:36):
This the original right here. This ain't the one for
fake Yeah yeah, this is the one that's in forty
eight year old virgin playing in the No no, no, no,
this ain't that's not different song, same singer.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Though, that's a mister Michael McDonald. Boom.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, when's the good part? Start dang, Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio still waiting, LeVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox with you No but seriously, when's a good
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part start. By the way, if you're listening on the podcast,
you're the lucky ones. You don't have to hear this
awful song. Coming up about fifteen minutes from now, we
are going to have another edition of Lee's Leftovers right
here on FSR. You know, somebody thinks this is crazy
talk in the NFL, all right, kind of perplexed by
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the questioning here. That would be not Michael McDonald, but
Mike McDonald, the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, who
was on, you know, just having a little conversation. They're
in Seattle, they're just trying to figure out, you know,
what's going on with Sam Donald, their brand new quarterback.
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He was on with Mike Salk of seven to ten
Sports in Seattle, and he was asked about, Hey, Sam
Darnold struggled a little bit here in OTAs he threw
a couple of picks. Reportedly, what are the chances that
maybe there's a change of quarterback at some point that.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Would lead to a different quarterback? You guys are crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
There's no way to ask the question with that sounded
like an idiot.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
I respect you got to ask it, but like, there's
you guys, it's just a crazy question. There's just not
gonna like Sam's are starting quarterback. We love him, He's
doing a tremendous job.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
God forbid.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
You know you're you're the worst player of all time
because you made one bad throw or one bad decisions
like that is not what we're trying to build. We
want these guys to go prepare the right way and
then when I go out on the practice field, go
freaking let it rip.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
And then we'll go fix it.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
We'll go we got time, it's it's June third, We'll go. Okay,
they're gonna get plenty of reps. We'll get those things fixed.
I mean, Sam made it grow up, bought a lot
of great throws. Yesterday he's gashing us on third and
goal to start the start the start the day out too.
So yeah, those kind of a crazy question.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
So that was the Seahawks head coach Mike McDonald talking
about the potential of Sam Donald getting benched at some point.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
For jay Len Meroe.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's not like we haven't seen this happen in Seattle before,
where they gave Matt Flynn a contract, they drafted a
guy in the third round that same year, and Russell
Wilson and the rest of history. So there has been
a precedent there in Seattle. We've seen it before. And
it's not like you signed Sam Donald to this monster
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contract that all of a sudden, you know, that's your
guy for the next you know, five to ten years.
They signed him to a three year deal, and I'm
I don't know if you decided to move on from
Geno Smith. I'm just trying to find out what's the
difference between Geno Smith and Sam Donald from a quarterback
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play standpoint. Is there that much of a difference, because.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That was the I think they've had kind of like
kind of comparable, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Starts started with the Jets. Both got their start with
the Jets. We know that goes for Jets quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
And I was gonna say, well, it's not like it
would be the first time Sam Darnold got benched for
another quarterback, right, I mean, let's not get too carried away,
too far away from you know, what happened the years
prior to his resurgence, or or not even resurgence, just
emergence to begin with. For the first time in Minnesota
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last year, there could be a lot of questions. Again,
I've said this and I'm gonna stick to it. For
Minnesota to allow Sam Darnald to leave for a player
that has not proven himself yet, that missed the season
(26:57):
due to an injury. To me, that's the first red flag.
That's the first thing that says to me, you gotta
be careful that this isn't fool's goal with Sam Darnold.
That's the first thing that hits me. Second thing that
hits me is again, you're talking one year's time of
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true success. And by the way, if you were paying attention,
the well ran a little dry at the end of
the year. It's like the magic the magic hit midnight,
you know, the pumpkin. Uh, it turned back into a pumpkin.
It wasn't it wasn't a card anymore. The horses turned
back into wel Ward, they rats, well ward, they I
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don't know what they were. But the clock struck midnight
on him, and the Cinderella story kind of came to
a very very quick.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And two most important games of the season too.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah. So, I you know, I don't think that it's
beyond reproach to have the question of is it possible
that a different guy, whether it be Milroe or Locke.
I don't think that it's beyond the realm of reasoning
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to think that one of those guys could start.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And also based on what we've seen, and this is
not a knock on on Sam Donald because he wasn't
a bad spot with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Obviously, have you seen.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Have you seen Sam Donald play more like last year
in Minnesota or more like previous seasons when he was
in the Jets with the Jets or with the Carolina Panthers, Like,
what's the what have you seen more of of Sam Donald?
His early struggles or his success? And the answer would
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be the early struggles because the success he had was
only one year, and to your point, it didn't even
get through the whole year because the last two games
he struggled. So the idea that he's a finished product,
that what you're getting and the better representation of Sam
Donald is based on one year last year with Kevin O'Connell,
who's made it work with it with several different quarterbacks there,
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or the Sam Donald we've seen elsewhere. There's more evidence
and the body of work would indicate that it's probably
going to be maybe a little bit closer to what
he was early in his career. And if that's the
case and you have an easy out after the twenty
twenty five season where the dead cap hit isn't significant enough,
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I just I don't think it's that crazy of a
question to think, hey, man, like, what are the chances
here Jalen Milroe all of a sudden starts lighting it up,
or you see some flashes of his athleticism and Seattle's struggling.
If you'r Mike McDonald, why wouldn't you consider or at
least look at you know, look at potentially you know
he can't say that now, but at least give give
(29:54):
the perception or look at the possibility of Jalen Milroe
as a rookie coming in and trying to produce for
the team. I don't think it's that crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I don't either, And again because there's so many question
marks that surround Sam Darnold, and that's just the biggest
part of it is he's in a new market, under
a new team, under a new rule, and he has
a very very small sample size in a pretty pretty
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long career. I mean, he's been out now for a
little bit now.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
So.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You gotta assume. You gotta assume that it could go
either way. This is I don't even know that it's
a fifty to fifty proposition. He's had one good year now.
Maybe that's maturity, Maybe that's the system. Maybe it's a
little bit of both. I don't know. I really don't,
(30:52):
But what I do know is is that you have
to approach this situation of unknowns with a certain healthy
level of caution. And that's just what it comes down to.
And this to me, if I'm looking at it as
a Seahawks coach, this is an open competition. By no
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means just because you had a really, really good year
last season that you just come in as the guy.
This is more so a which I don't know why
they would do what they did with Geno Smith the
way that they did. I didn't think that that was
a wise decision, and you kind of alluded to it
(31:36):
early on in the conversation. It's like you're going in
a different direction from a guy who has made your
team a competitive team. There's other pieces that you could
have addressed on that team to make that a better team,
and you would have been just fine. You didn't upgrade
or a quarterback position by any stretch of the imagination.
(31:58):
So when doing this, this is something different to me,
and I'm not certain what the different represents that you
would move Geno Smith and make a lateral movement. At best,
bring it. At best, it's a lateral move. I was
just gonna say it. At best, it feels like it's
a lateral move. Geno Smith played better football than Sam
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Donald in his career, Like, we've seen more of it,
and we've seen more of it in Seattle, but in Seattle,
and that's what's important. The success was in Seattle. So
you took that and you sent that away to replace
it with more question marks. It's like kind of it's
not like you brought in a guy that you know
is going to change and shift the trajectory of this
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this franchise. Like would you confidently say, yep, we brought
in Sam Donald slash franchise quarterback. Bless you, franchise quarterback? Right?
Is that what you Is that what we would say here? No?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
No, yeah, I just so it.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
No shade to Sam Darnold, Like God, bless you. You've
You've done. You've done what fe are able to do,
which is climb out of a deep ass whole of
getting labeled as a bust and as a backup, and
you were now due to whatever the circumstances that created
the opportunity. May have been injury, maybe you just played well.
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Maybe it was you know, O'Connell's offensive scheme fit you well,
whatever it was, you were able to put together enough
successful games and outings where it led to you being
in the situation that you're in now. So God bless
on that, but that doesn't that doesn't absolve you of
the years that you've had to deal with prior to
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getting to the Minnesota Vikings and having the year you
just had.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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Coming up, though, we're going to close up shop with
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Speaker 7 (34:05):
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Speaker 7 (35:08):
These might smell a little fun, that sounds incredible, but
they're still good. Time to find out what's lack? It's
Lee's all right?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
The lap? What do we got guys? I have some
stuff for you to watch today.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
We got Edmonton hoping for revenge for last year against
Florida in Game one of the Stanley Cup Final.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Who you guys got the in the Stanley Cup?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Edmonton screw pep.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Knocks locks.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Bar?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Who you got?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Let's said it right with you? I'll cut tex picks.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
If you're looking for some other finals, we got women's
College World Series getting underway. Texas versus Texas Tech Little
Texas on Texas Action. Uh ESPN five o'clock today, eight
pm Eastern. If you're looking for some world series, actually, yeah,
no Oklahoma, No, No.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Five in a row for Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I thought this was Lee's Leftovers this you're not watching
any of this stuff, though it was something I might watch.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
How about Stick on Apple TV Plus. Owen Wilson, former golfer.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Loses his wife, loses his job.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
He mentors a team golf prodigy.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Oh god, that's how brutal.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah you got?
Speaker 9 (36:24):
How about this Power Moves with Shaquille O'Neil, him and
him and Allen Iverson.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
That looks good. Actually, I'm gonna check this out.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
They try on today, that comes out today, drops on
Netflix today. They try and take control of Reebok basketball.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Well they have taken me patrol over Reebok.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, they try to revive it. How about that Revive
rebunk basketball.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, Shack took it over. I feel like Shaq acquired
it or something something like that, like and then brought
Ai in, as you know, because obviously Ai may Rebuk Relevy. Yeah,
so in the basketball.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Because he they gave him a monster deal and didn't
he It was like, didn't Ai have some something in
his deal where he was going to get like a
lifetime for his life.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah, but I mean you got to have money for
it to be a lifetime deal, you know what I mean?
Like Rebox started taking it on the chin a little bit,
you know, now Shack, you know, and Shaq was a
rebod guy originally too. People may not remember that before
he went to his own shoe, you know, doing the
Shack shoe, Shaq was with Rebox.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So I mean did they bring d Brown in as
well too?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
For the Reebok pump? I mean the miss some of
the most iconic sneakers that pump. I know. I had
some a white pier that had a little green in them,
a little black had the orange basketball. She used to
pump them up. I wore them to Kenny Wood kenny
Wood Park for our picnic match and outfit. Yeah, Kenny
kenny Wood, not Kate Wood. Don't call it k Wood,
(37:56):
It's Kenny Wood. I don't even know if kenny Wood
is even still open, but it was a fun place
to go to one night I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
They still sell Rebock pumps, lee, let me check. Let's
uh get a little price check on that. What do
you think of a pair of rebox pumps?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Goes for right now?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
LaVar?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
If youah to guess, uh, twenty dollars?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
All right, Gona, I'm gonna go. Uh, that's that's insulting.
I'm gonna go nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I'm sing a hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Damn, one hundred bucks for some pumps.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Sh shoes are expensive man shoes, sneak.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, but not shoes that nobody look for. Shack of
iron right, Dean Brown's is one fifty out here. I
might have to grab me up here. That's such hard
looking leather, though I had my toes. Can't handle that,
you know.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:49):
Good morning, how are we feeling?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Good morning, guys, Good morning. Great to hear from everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Hello, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
So Petros, another another walkoff win for the LA Dot
Drews last night.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Well last night, you know they didn't walk it off.
They were at home and they lost. It's hard to
walk it off on the road. What do you mean,
It's just really hard to walk it off on the road.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, I'm saying, yeah, but they walked it off last
night last night.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, it just reminds me of a question that a
reporter asked Dave Roberts.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Oh, in a few years, what's the question they.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Asked Dave Roberts because it was after like another Dodger
walk off and they were having a real exciting season.
I think this year's Dodger team is really a droit
at coming back in games that they were down, and
they almost did it two nights ago against the Mets,
who were in town with Juan Soto who's not doing
his special dance because he's bummed out in his family.
(01:45):
He's like Freddie Freeman when he left Atlanta. He's like
super bummed out.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
But anyway, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Uh, what were we talking about?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
This guy asked Dave Roberts, like, Hey, how come all
your walkoffs are at home? Is there something about this
home crowd that really gets you going? That really gets
his team going? And Dave Roberts had a very nice answer,
he said, well, he's very difficult to walk it off.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
On the road.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So who asked the question best, I don't remember.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
It was some no, it was like a younger reporter.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So everybody was trying to be cool about it.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It wasn't like a kid though, But yeah, you can't
walk it off on the road. Dodgers are at home
and they walked it off last night against the Mets,
and show Heyo Tommy spectacular. He's still not pitching. They
have a lot of bullpen problems. They paid Tanner Scott,
this guy who was supposed to be like a baseball assassin,
(02:45):
as the number one closer, and I think he's already
blown six saves and it's early June. So that's a problem.
They have some bullpen issues, but the Dodger problems are
first world problems. They're doing quite well, and they won
last night against the Mets. I did stay up to
watch it. Hell yeah, which is why I forgot my points.
Short term memory loss from Blackhawta from a bowl in
(03:07):
the ring back in the day.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
Well that yeah, that too.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I've aggravated a lot of old football injuries every time
somebody just taps my forehead with a pencil, doawn.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Speaking of bull in the ring, Petros, how many like
when you played, how many different locker rooms did you
play in? In terms of like I guess high level
like whether it was did you have the same coach
the entire time when you were as he was, okay,
so you had a different coach.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Now.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
When I arrived at SCA, it was John Robinson, and
then Paul Hackett took over Paul Hackett and then it
was Pete Carroll, who I did not play for. A
lot of the guys I played for played for Pete Carroll.
And the year two thousand and one was Pete Carroll's
first year, and that was my first year in the media,
and I kind of got to know Pete and USC
(03:59):
two off and Pete Carroll took off, and I kind
of was hanging on for the ride, starting out doing
radio and TV here in town.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
So that's kind of my story.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
But it is interesting, you know because back in my
time and our time, I should say that when there
was a coaching change, which I don't believe you experienced
at the college level, I know spring football was a bloodbath.
Like spring football, you know, where we really put on
pads and really got after each other and really had
(04:31):
like thirty to forty play run drills every day. That
was like you have to show out for the new
coaching staff. One thing that was very interesting that a
lot of people didn't realize and maybe they don't realize
it now, was that Ed Ojeron was on the Paul
Hackett staff. He was not hired by Pete Carroll. Well,
he was rehired by Pete Carroll, but he was already
(04:53):
at SC when Pete Carroll took over and had that
very important piece already in defensive room. But yeah, that's
that was my experience. I was in kind of two
different locker rooms. John Robinson a much more player friendly coach,
I guess you'd say, with a lot more lenient, especially
(05:16):
with star players. Paul Hackett, on the other hand, miss
a class, get up at five.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
In the morning and roll like a log to you barf.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Kind of coach.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Well, you know, both both of those coaching styles have
their benefits.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, so that's why I was I was asking in
terms of culturally speaking, because again, I don't feel like
in a lot of ways the regular workforce people tend
to look at how an employer versus an employee, what
that relationship looks like in the dynamic of it, and
(05:51):
how the culture plays a part. And while I say
in regular society, culture in the business place is everything,
but it's different than the culture being everything in sports,
especially at higher levels college pro, it's it's very the
culture has to have a very unique mix and the
(06:14):
blend of like what the respect factor is, the understanding
of what the coach wants versus what the collective feelings
of what the players want. We just saw Tim Thibodeau,
you know, get get fired from the next year to Tom. Yeah,
Tom get fired from the mix.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
The Christian better looking version of Tom Thibodeau, Tim Tebodeaux.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Tim Tebadeau. Yeah, you like that. That's funny. My bad. Anyway,
It's interesting because I'm curious. I feel like when you
have players that love the coach, which it seems like
all the players are really into Thibodeaux, and they yet
they get rid of them. You know, how does that
play a part? Because when you have a coaching change,
(06:56):
just like you got to impress the coaches, like you said,
in those practices, those those coaches have to impress the
players as well, because there has to be a belief
in winning. Like what's your kind of you know, your
perspective off culture.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
When I played college football, as you know, there was
not the same kind of boundary today, right, like we
couldn't go anywhere if I transferred in college football, and
that was a terrible stigma that I still carry today
that I signed a letter of intent and wasn't able
(07:30):
to complete it, wasn't able to honor the contract, and
that bothers me. It really does. But it's a very
different it's a very different time in college and pro athletics.
That being said, the dynamics of a pro basketball team is.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Hard for me to understand.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I mean, we're talking about guys that have really, really
proven it at the highest level. I mean, it's one
thing to make an NFL team. It's one thing to
make MLB Baseball team or have a cup of coffee
in the major leagues. It's a whole other thing to
make an NBA team consistently. I mean, because there's so
few guys. So that dynamic has always been fascinating, and
(08:17):
it's very difficult, I think, to be a head coach
at any level of any kind of sport. But the
NBA has got to be the toughest because and you know,
football is like this now too. It didn't really used
to be when we were younger, and everybody had the
same football coach who looked one hundred years old for
like fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Thirty years yea, yeah, Chuck.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Knock, Bud Grant, Yeah, you know, Chuck Knowle, Marv Levy,
you know, it goes on and on. All the coaches
kind of look like that. And now the coaches are
the first guy on the chopping block.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
Unless you know.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
John Harbaugh or Jim Harbaugh or somebody more celebrated like that, generally,
you're coach is the first guy to get fired at
the NFL or NBA level, And it proved out with
the Tim Tebadaux situation, even though he ran a sweet option.
Tom Thibodeaux known as a great defensive coach and a
lot of people love him. I think the X factor
(09:16):
with the Knick situation that I'm not super familiar with
other than the fact that you know, I watched all
the New Yorkers freak out in the NBA freak out
hoping that the Knicks were going to make it into
the final and they could play the concrete Jungle where
dreams were made of song over and over and over
again until your brain MUSHes and bleeds out of your ears.
(09:37):
But I think it's a more a more delicate situation.
Also their owner is like a legit crazy man JB
and the straight JD and the straight shot Jim Dolan.
That's the name of his sweet ass band, his blues
band where he hired like a bunch of really really
famous or reputable studio musicians tours.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Around with him like he belongs on stage. So it's
a whole it's a whole wild situation.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But look, I mean, but you look at like Mi
Alma Mater and these and these different stories that are
unfolding over the years in modern sports, and at USC
it's like they'd fire Lincoln Riley if he didn't have
such a big buyout and and at a certain point
the money does matter, and.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Maybe not for JD in the straight shop.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
But I don't know, I don't know what direction you
go in from there, Like who do you hire from there.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
To to ignite the team?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Was it Thibodeaux that was really fueling their success or
was he holding them back and holding back their star players?
Speaker 5 (10:47):
Obviously somebody thought that.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
But a sad situation for the guy with not a
lot of hair who kind of looks like.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
The penguin Petros pabegs joining us.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
I've been compared to the Penguin the past to Jonas.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I don't think so. I would I would disagree with
that comparison.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I mean, how many times do you say that Fox
Sports Radio, Jonas?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I know I'm on the radio.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
Right I am resetting it for the I know, trying
to be a broadcast professional. But it is when you
mentioned sort of what direction you go in here and
was it Tom Thibodeau's fault and all that, that's why
whatever there.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Was call them tis like they're friends with him. Yeah, like, oh,
you know how TIBs is. It's like, you know what, Actually, no,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
I don't not at all. I live on the other
side of them a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Well, it's like we've never even been in Madison, Scar
It's like golf blowhards who called the golfers by the
first name. Hey, hey, Scotty, do you see what Scotty
did on the seventeenth? No, what did douche do on
the seventeenth? But when that's why, whenever the conversation was
being had about Dave Roberts, when the Dodgers would come
(11:56):
short in the postseason, and it was like, well, Dave
Robert should be fired, and my thought on it the
whole time was Yeah, but is he the one that's
you know, going one for eighteen like Mookie Bets and
Freddie Freeman in the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Is that him?
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Like?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
At some point, don't players are very accountable?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
But you can't get rid of those guys, right, you
can get rid of Dave Roberts and it's cheaper, and
it's even worse. I mean, I've seen this over the
years and you can track it. There's like baseball or
football franchises that aren't doing well and they don't really
know what to do to make a change, so they
like fire the play by play guy. And that happened
(12:35):
to Steve PHYSIOK with the Angels. I mean that really, yeah,
I mean that you know that, well, let's change it up,
will fire the play by play guy. And it's like,
you know, obviously it has to be somebody that that
I don't know, maybe they don't care as much about
That's not fair to say about Steve because he's such
a wonderful guy.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I thought you were going to say Roger Lodge, so.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Well, you know, I mean, sometimes they pull the trigger
on a guy's just just for a breath of fresh air,
because the team's not doing well, and that guy has
nothing to do with the lack of success of the team,
But the other people are getting paid too much to
touch them. Same situation with USC and the GM. You know,
they can't fire the head coach, but they made him
fire his good old boy BFF, who was the GM
(13:15):
at USC that wasn't really doing GM work, and they
went and hired a real GM, and now that's their
big talking point for the offseason and a recruiting class
that may or may not come in twenty twenty six.
I'm sorry to keep prkening back to USC, but you
did ask me about the culture changes when I was there,
so it's always a unique situation.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
It's always interesting.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
The chemistry of a team is one of the more
complex things. I mean, just going back to thinking about
how you prepare for a bowl game at the college
level with young people. After you've been playing weekly for
months and months, suddenly you're not playing games and you
have to find a way to play your best game
(14:00):
after not playing for two or three weeks or four
weeks in some In some occasions, that's crazy too, Like
the chemistry of a football team is a mystery that
cannot be solved by the wisest scientists that ever lived.
Basketball where there's fewer people, you know, maybe you do
pull one little string and things change. But I think
(14:22):
anybody trusting Jim Dolan and his Blues Band to make
the right decision with his basketball team one of the
most recognized franchises in the history of sport, is I mean,
very in trouble. I would say.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
My last question for you, I know we're up against
the breakers. I mean, you know it is what it is.
You just adio you you mentioned I have a clock
in my head. You know we got it. I could
dig it. Bro. You guys have a top five recruiting
class for twenty six right now.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I can't wait to see them freshman in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
I mean you mentioned if you know, if the coach
is still there, do you think he will survive to
see the top five class come in? And do you
think that maybe it is just he just needs a
little bit more time, because I mean that that's a
very highly you know, that's a highly rating. I think
(15:25):
five I saw was what they were rated, four or five.
I mean, that's that's a pretty high high mark in
today's recruiting uh, you know, climate, it's very difficult to
get in the top five where we are right now
in the NIL space.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
It's something, Yeah, it is something to consider, but I
would I would rebut by asking you this in today's
day and age, with NIL being what it is and
the transfer portal being wide open and teams being generally
older because of that, and we see it in college
basketball too, how many freshmen do you think can contribute
(16:03):
even on a normal team, even on a team like
you and I would have played on back in the day, Like,
even if you have a great recruiting class.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
So maybe question.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Maybe two or three of those guys help you that year,
maybe seven or that's why.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
But when did you say that's why having such a
highly recruited class is all that really matters.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
It's a stalling technique for pr because you don't really
know if they're.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Coming or not.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I mean, they're just verbally that's true.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I mean that's like saying this girl said she was
going to go to the problem with me next year.
I can't wait. You know, women are fickle, and so
are college football players.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I would say they look at the stars, which I
don't know how much people should put into how many
stars a guy has, but that is what these these
universities do as well. I would say to the point
of older guys being taken into portal and transfers that way,
I still think that when you see a four star,
five star come into your program, they have the opportunity
(17:07):
to make an immediate impact.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, you're right, you know, you know they're supposed to.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And if they don't make it, usually, if they don't
make an immediate impact, if they're that big.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Of a recruit, usually you find them in.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
The transfer portal into portal a little bit later.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
And we've seen a lot of that too. I would
say this LeVar to answer all of it. I think
us he's finally doing, recruiting wise, what they should have
been doing for years under Lincoln Riley or Clay Helton
or anybody, which is build a very very serious and
very very formidable fence around the area, recruit it and
(17:42):
live and die with it. And that's what the new
GM Chad Boden that they hired was kind of tasked
to do. I don't have faith in Lincoln Riley's ability
to develop those guys anyway. He hasn't proven it to
me and I've not seen it so and I don't
know if they're coming. It's just if us he's standing
(18:05):
on the twenty twenty six recruiting class for hey, don't
worry about us, then they're standing on jello in my opinion.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
But it's better than not having.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
A great twenty twenty six recruiting class, I suppose. But
it is something like people stop me in the street
and they're like, can you believe this class right? You
know in twenty twenty six that may or may not
come that could you know half of them could verbally
decommit when one of them goes sure, but you're standing
on You're standing on jello. I did find some interesting
(18:36):
fact that I came across the other day in regards
to the Knicks that I think you guys might enjoy.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Oh yeah, are you ready? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Do you know the etymology of the name Knickerbucker? No Nicks?
Speaker 4 (18:48):
We did, no, No, well, yes we do. It was
they said it was something about like clothing or something
like that.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Yeah, well, yes, you're right. It's because of the way
that Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
We talked about it the other week.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, the pants style.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
But the reason that came out The reason that word
became popular was Washington Irving, who's a really famous writer
and the guy that really kind of wrote and put
New York on the map as a writer, same guy
that wrote Sleepy Hollow, you know, with Thickabod Crane and
the Headless Horse. Yeah, Washington Irving wrote a very very
(19:24):
significant book called The History of New York, which he
wrote under a pseudonym of a guy named Dietrich Knickerbocker,
which is what popularized the name.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
A knickerbocker used to.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Be the way that a Dutch guy would dress, you know,
with his pants way up walking around New York, and
a lot of Dutch immigrants there in that time, and
that's how they would wear their pants, so they got
called knickerbocker's. And then this guy wrote The History of
New York with the Dietrich Knickerbocker name, and that popularized
(19:58):
the name knickerbocker in relation to New York and anybody
from New York after a while, no matter how you
wore your pants, cross colors, z Cavarici's, those tight jeans,
skinny jeans, you're you're a knickerbocker regardless.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Now, Damn Washington Irving and all these years later, Tracy
Morgan throwing up on the floor.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
There a matter right back, all these years later, Kylie
Jenner swallowing Timothy Shaumette's little pebble head by.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
The way, how big?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
How big is Timothy Champagne or whatever that guy's name is?
How big is he? Is he smaller than her? Is
he shorter than.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Yeah, she's a big horse. I think she just mounts
him and just rides him into oblivion.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Right, Belmont Stakes. You're supposed to ride longer race too.
You know she's been with a lot of guys. There's
an extra furlong.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
In that race.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
Could you imagine a horse riding Jackie. He's like a
little jockey. He's like, he's like, he's like shoemaker. He
jumps on that big boy.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Bob Baffert got her, got her on the gas like
she's a was.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
The milkshase, Yes, Larry David.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Crowd, Yeah, that's right, Petrose, We appreciate it. You can
get him on the old p He's the cost of
the Petros money show, which you can hear on the blowtorch.
A M five seventy l A sports later on this afternoon,
also a Fox College football analyst and a Wednesday tradition
here on the show we are so listen, yeah you
(21:48):
know you start, you start with the Dodgers, end with
Kylie Jenner as a as a horse. That's how goes
bar So we do here a whole damn all right
coming up next here though, on Two Crows and a
Cup of Joe. Somebody in the NFL thinks it's crazy talk,
(22:12):
crazy talk. If you think this will happen with his
starting quarterback, find out who it is here on FSR.
Speaker 7 (22:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 4 (22:36):
This the original right here. This ain't the one for
fake Yeah yeah, this is the one that's in forty
eight year old virgin playing in the No no, no, no,
this ain't that's not different song, same singer.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Though, that's a mister Michael McDonald. Boom.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, when's the good part? Start dang, Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio still waiting, LeVar Arrington,
Jonas Knox with you No but seriously, when's a good
(23:18):
part start. By the way, if you're listening on the podcast,
you're the lucky ones. You don't have to hear this
awful song. Coming up about fifteen minutes from now, we
are going to have another edition of Lee's Leftovers right
here on FSR. You know, somebody thinks this is crazy
talk in the NFL, all right, kind of perplexed by
(23:40):
the questioning here. That would be not Michael McDonald, but
Mike McDonald, the head coach of the Seattle Seahawks, who
was on, you know, just having a little conversation. They're
in Seattle, they're just trying to figure out, you know,
what's going on with Sam Donald, their brand new quarterback.
(24:00):
He was on with Mike Salk of seven to ten
Sports in Seattle, and he was asked about, Hey, Sam
Darnold struggled a little bit here in OTAs he threw
a couple of picks. Reportedly, what are the chances that
maybe there's a change of quarterback at some point that.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Would lead to a different quarterback? You guys are crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
There's no way to ask the question with that sounded
like an idiot.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
I respect you got to ask it, but like, there's
you guys, it's just a crazy question. There's just not
gonna like Sam's are starting quarterback. We love him, He's
doing a tremendous job.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
God forbid.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
You know you're you're the worst player of all time
because you made one bad throw or one bad decisions
like that is not what we're trying to build. We
want these guys to go prepare the right way and
then when I go out on the practice field, go
freaking let it rip.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
And then we'll go fix it.
Speaker 8 (24:44):
We'll go we got time, it's it's June third, We'll go. Okay,
they're gonna get plenty of reps. We'll get those things fixed.
I mean, Sam made it grow up, bought a lot
of great throws. Yesterday he's gashing us on third and
goal to start the start the start the day out too.
So yeah, those kind of a crazy question.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
So that was the Seahawks head coach Mike McDonald talking
about the potential of Sam Donald getting benched at some point.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
For jay Len Meroe.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Well, I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's not like we haven't seen this happen in Seattle before,
where they gave Matt Flynn a contract, they drafted a
guy in the third round that same year, and Russell
Wilson and the rest of history. So there has been
a precedent there in Seattle. We've seen it before. And
it's not like you signed Sam Donald to this monster
(25:35):
contract that all of a sudden, you know, that's your
guy for the next you know, five to ten years.
They signed him to a three year deal, and I'm
I don't know if you decided to move on from
Geno Smith. I'm just trying to find out what's the
difference between Geno Smith and Sam Donald from a quarterback
(25:56):
play standpoint. Is there that much of a difference, because.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
That was the I think they've had kind of like
kind of comparable, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Starts started with the Jets. Both got their start with
the Jets. We know that goes for Jets quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
And I was gonna say, well, it's not like it
would be the first time Sam Darnold got benched for
another quarterback, right, I mean, let's not get too carried away,
too far away from you know, what happened the years
prior to his resurgence, or or not even resurgence, just
emergence to begin with. For the first time in Minnesota
(26:35):
last year, there could be a lot of questions. Again,
I've said this and I'm gonna stick to it. For
Minnesota to allow Sam Darnald to leave for a player
that has not proven himself yet, that missed the season
(26:57):
due to an injury. To me, that's the first red flag.
That's the first thing that says to me, you gotta
be careful that this isn't fool's goal with Sam Darnold.
That's the first thing that hits me. Second thing that
hits me is again, you're talking one year's time of
(27:20):
true success. And by the way, if you were paying attention,
the well ran a little dry at the end of
the year. It's like the magic the magic hit midnight,
you know, the pumpkin. Uh, it turned back into a pumpkin.
It wasn't it wasn't a card anymore. The horses turned
back into wel Ward, they rats, well ward, they I
(27:42):
don't know what they were. But the clock struck midnight
on him, and the Cinderella story kind of came to
a very very quick.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
And two most important games of the season too.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
Yeah. So, I you know, I don't think that it's
beyond reproach to have the question of is it possible
that a different guy, whether it be Milroe or Locke.
I don't think that it's beyond the realm of reasoning
(28:15):
to think that one of those guys could start.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
And also based on what we've seen, and this is
not a knock on on Sam Donald because he wasn't
a bad spot with the Jets.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Obviously, have you seen.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
Have you seen Sam Donald play more like last year
in Minnesota or more like previous seasons when he was
in the Jets with the Jets or with the Carolina Panthers, Like,
what's the what have you seen more of of Sam Donald?
His early struggles or his success? And the answer would
(28:49):
be the early struggles because the success he had was
only one year, and to your point, it didn't even
get through the whole year because the last two games
he struggled. So the idea that he's a finished product,
that what you're getting and the better representation of Sam
Donald is based on one year last year with Kevin O'Connell,
who's made it work with it with several different quarterbacks there,
(29:11):
or the Sam Donald we've seen elsewhere. There's more evidence
and the body of work would indicate that it's probably
going to be maybe a little bit closer to what
he was early in his career. And if that's the
case and you have an easy out after the twenty
twenty five season where the dead cap hit isn't significant enough,
(29:32):
I just I don't think it's that crazy of a
question to think, hey, man, like, what are the chances
here Jalen Milroe all of a sudden starts lighting it up,
or you see some flashes of his athleticism and Seattle's struggling.
If you'r Mike McDonald, why wouldn't you consider or at
least look at you know, look at potentially you know
he can't say that now, but at least give give
(29:54):
the perception or look at the possibility of Jalen Milroe
as a rookie coming in and trying to produce for
the team. I don't think it's that crazy.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I don't either, And again because there's so many question
marks that surround Sam Darnold, and that's just the biggest
part of it is he's in a new market, under
a new team, under a new rule, and he has
a very very small sample size in a pretty pretty
(30:25):
long career. I mean, he's been out now for a
little bit now.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
So.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You gotta assume. You gotta assume that it could go
either way. This is I don't even know that it's
a fifty to fifty proposition. He's had one good year now.
Maybe that's maturity, Maybe that's the system. Maybe it's a
little bit of both. I don't know. I really don't,
(30:52):
But what I do know is is that you have
to approach this situation of unknowns with a certain healthy
level of caution. And that's just what it comes down to.
And this to me, if I'm looking at it as
a Seahawks coach, this is an open competition. By no
(31:15):
means just because you had a really, really good year
last season that you just come in as the guy.
This is more so a which I don't know why
they would do what they did with Geno Smith the
way that they did. I didn't think that that was
a wise decision, and you kind of alluded to it
(31:36):
early on in the conversation. It's like you're going in
a different direction from a guy who has made your
team a competitive team. There's other pieces that you could
have addressed on that team to make that a better team,
and you would have been just fine. You didn't upgrade
or a quarterback position by any stretch of the imagination.
(31:58):
So when doing this, this is something different to me,
and I'm not certain what the different represents that you
would move Geno Smith and make a lateral movement. At best,
bring it. At best, it's a lateral move. I was
just gonna say it. At best, it feels like it's
a lateral move. Geno Smith played better football than Sam
(32:21):
Donald in his career, Like, we've seen more of it,
and we've seen more of it in Seattle, but in Seattle,
and that's what's important. The success was in Seattle. So
you took that and you sent that away to replace
it with more question marks. It's like kind of it's
not like you brought in a guy that you know
is going to change and shift the trajectory of this
(32:46):
this franchise. Like would you confidently say, yep, we brought
in Sam Donald slash franchise quarterback. Bless you, franchise quarterback? Right?
Is that what you Is that what we would say here? No?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
No, yeah, I just so it.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
No shade to Sam Darnold, Like God, bless you. You've
You've done. You've done what fe are able to do,
which is climb out of a deep ass whole of
getting labeled as a bust and as a backup, and
you were now due to whatever the circumstances that created
the opportunity. May have been injury, maybe you just played well.
(33:28):
Maybe it was you know, O'Connell's offensive scheme fit you well,
whatever it was, you were able to put together enough
successful games and outings where it led to you being
in the situation that you're in now. So God bless
on that, but that doesn't that doesn't absolve you of
the years that you've had to deal with prior to
(33:51):
getting to the Minnesota Vikings and having the year you
just had.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, lebar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you.
Coming up, though, we're going to close up shop with
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Speaker 7 (34:05):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 1 (34:16):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here. We'll be back
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little bit of a preview of the NBA Finals that
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is going to stop by news and notes from around
(34:38):
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Speaker 7 (35:08):
These might smell a little fun, that sounds incredible, but
they're still good. Time to find out what's lack? It's
Lee's all right?
Speaker 4 (35:18):
The lap? What do we got guys? I have some
stuff for you to watch today.
Speaker 9 (35:21):
We got Edmonton hoping for revenge for last year against
Florida in Game one of the Stanley Cup Final.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Who you guys got the in the Stanley Cup?
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Edmonton screw pep.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Knocks locks.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Bar?
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Who you got?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Let's said it right with you? I'll cut tex picks.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
That's right.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
If you're looking for some other finals, we got women's
College World Series getting underway. Texas versus Texas Tech Little
Texas on Texas Action. Uh ESPN five o'clock today, eight
pm Eastern. If you're looking for some world series, actually, yeah,
no Oklahoma, No, No.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Five in a row for Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I thought this was Lee's Leftovers this you're not watching
any of this stuff, though it was something I might watch.
Speaker 9 (36:11):
How about Stick on Apple TV Plus. Owen Wilson, former golfer.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Loses his wife, loses his job.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
He mentors a team golf prodigy.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
Oh god, that's how brutal.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah you got?
Speaker 9 (36:24):
How about this Power Moves with Shaquille O'Neil, him and
him and Allen Iverson.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
That looks good. Actually, I'm gonna check this out.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
They try on today, that comes out today, drops on
Netflix today. They try and take control of Reebok basketball.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
Well they have taken me patrol over Reebok.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Yeah, they try to revive it. How about that Revive
rebunk basketball.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, Shack took it over. I feel like Shaq acquired
it or something something like that, like and then brought
Ai in, as you know, because obviously Ai may Rebuk Relevy. Yeah,
so in the basketball.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Because he they gave him a monster deal and didn't
he It was like, didn't Ai have some something in
his deal where he was going to get like a
lifetime for his life.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Yeah, but I mean you got to have money for
it to be a lifetime deal, you know what I mean?
Like Rebox started taking it on the chin a little bit,
you know, now Shack, you know, and Shaq was a
rebod guy originally too. People may not remember that before
he went to his own shoe, you know, doing the
Shack shoe, Shaq was with Rebox.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
So I mean did they bring d Brown in as
well too?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
For the Reebok pump? I mean the miss some of
the most iconic sneakers that pump. I know. I had
some a white pier that had a little green in them,
a little black had the orange basketball. She used to
pump them up. I wore them to Kenny Wood kenny
Wood Park for our picnic match and outfit. Yeah, Kenny
kenny Wood, not Kate Wood. Don't call it k Wood,
(37:56):
It's Kenny Wood. I don't even know if kenny Wood
is even still open, but it was a fun place
to go to one night I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
They still sell Rebock pumps, lee, let me check. Let's
uh get a little price check on that. What do
you think of a pair of rebox pumps?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Goes for right now?
Speaker 7 (38:10):
LaVar?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
If youah to guess, uh, twenty dollars?
Speaker 2 (38:13):
All right, Gona, I'm gonna go. Uh, that's that's insulting.
I'm gonna go nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
I'm sing a hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Damn, one hundred bucks for some pumps.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Sh shoes are expensive man shoes, sneak.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
Yeah, but not shoes that nobody look for. Shack of
iron right, Dean Brown's is one fifty out here. I
might have to grab me up here. That's such hard
looking leather, though I had my toes. Can't handle that,
you know.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
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