June 12, 2025 • 40 mins
Pacers continue to stay in the game and shock the world. Davante Adams shoots shade while finding a new home in LA. NFL Insider Albert Breer talks about the biggest headlines from minicamp. Plus, Coop’s Leftovers!
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We appreciate it. We'll be taking you all the way
up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific, till
the end of this hour. And we start this hour
looking back on what we started our one with, which
was Game three of the NBA Finals. We gave you
the stat eighty cent of the time in a one
to one series tie, the team that wins Game three
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and the NBA Finals goes on to win the NBA title.
The odds would say otherwise, slightly under a three to
one favorite are the OKC thunder to still win the
NBA Finals despite being down two games to one. But
if you ask SGA, if you ask Shay Gilders Alexander,
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it's very simple. We've got some things that we've got
to work on. They're beating us in some aspects of
the game, and we just got to play a little
bit different. In Game four, let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
They felt like they won all the fifty to fifty plays.
They executed on both both ends of the ball. When
you give those two things up, and no matter what quarter,
you're probably gonna lose the quarter, especially and then it
goes back to especially on the road in a hostile
environment and crowds behind them. So yeah, we got to
take care of those things. If you want to come
on a game forward it does.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You know what I love about the Thunder They operate
and sound as if they've won an NBA title before,
and they haven't, because there is no there's no panic,
there's no stress, there's no it's just eah, we listen,
we have some things we need.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
To work on. That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Very measured, very calm, very calculated, not worried at all
eighty percent of the time. Okay, yeah, we just have
some things we need to work on. And you look
at back on their season, they didn't really get tested
a whole lot. The time they did get tested the
most was probably Denver a couple of rounds ago in
the NBA Playoffs, and even in that when they're potentially
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on the ropes in a pivotal Game five at home
and they're losing late, they made enough plays, figured it
out and ultimately won that series in seven games. But
they don't strike me as a team that panics too
much when it comes to having their backs against the wall,
almost like they won a.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Title before they have it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
It's kind of interesting, So, you know, you're good enough
to win a gold medal. Talent is amazing, but you
just ain't never won one like they. I mean, they're good,
they're good. They they aren't panicking, and they do have,
you know, at least SGA's soundbites. He always sounds as
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though he's he's been there before. And that's that's what
they tell you. The mark of a good a good ballplayer,
somebody who always is striving and aspiring to be better,
is to, you know, always understand that you know you're
never as good as you thought you were, and you're
never as bad as you thought you were, and act
like you've been there before, you know, And that's that's
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I think it's a classy way of approaching things. I
think that SGA has uh has done that. And again,
I think it's hard to come up with a definitive
conclusion as to how this series will end. I think
last game, like the game before last night's game, you
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would have said that, Okay, there's the OKAC team that
that we were expecting to see, and the series should
take a turn for the worst for the Pacers. But
then they get back home stealing one game in Oka,
see and you see a Pacers team last night where
you'd say, this is a Pacers team that can match
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the defense of OKAC and have enough talent to score
and keep up with OKC and scoring. It's matchup points.
And in this this series, it's a it's a Stoles matchup,
and they match they have similar styles. It's like two lefties,
two South Pauls fighting. You get two South Pauls in
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the ring. If they're technically sound, you might get hit clashing,
you know, and and that happens a lot when you
don't have, you know, a conventional versus a South Paul
or whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It just it happens that way.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
So to me, it's it's like looking at two teams
that fight with with the same type of style, and
and yet it has been Indiana who has proven to
be able to take that style and be able to
execute it a high enough level to come away with
victories in the series. So, whether they've been there or not,
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whether the confidence is there or is waning, whatever it
may be, you're still looking at two teams that probably
are sitting there one saying that we can we're in
a very advantageous position and we can't let it get
away and the other one sitting there feeling is though,
we're in a good situation, not in the best of situations,
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but we can improve our situation. We're only one game
away and you know, we get one, get one more
hit back home, and we should be good.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I don't know how that all plays out, but it
still seems as though that it's a competitive a competitive series,
and SGA shouldn't have lost any confidence in neither you know,
any of the other Okac thunder They can bounce back
from this.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Now that we've seen the series through three games. The
idea going into it that Okay, se was just gonna
stomp all over them and run away with it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's gone. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well it's gone, and I never anymore. And I think
we all were kind of an agreement. Was while everyone's
talking about, well, okay, see in a sweep and the
odds were they were a seven to one to win
the series, and I was like, man, yeah, I think
they're probably gonna win, but this is going to be
a much more competitive series than that.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Just basic almost say they're probably going to win. Now
it's it's just hard to say they're probably going to win.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Now I would I would still pick oka See even
down two to one, I would still take okay See.
But this is not going to be. This is going
to be more resembling the Denver Series for Oklahoma City,
and it already has in a lot of ways to
where they're being pushed to their limits. They're staying cool
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and they're staying calm and collected through the entire thing,
even being down two to one, as you just search
from SGA. But the idea that this was going to
be they were going to walk away with this thing,
and you know it was just going to be a
you know, a blood bath because okay See was the
best team wired to wire in the NBA. It's a
man like you're seeing different. Indiana has just got the
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ability to stay in the game and make a run
late that nobody else has, maybe not even Oka See.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
It's very true. It's a very great point. It is
a great point. They have been a comeback, comeback team.
It's almost as though they they adapt, they adjust, They
take your best shot while they're adapting and their adjusting,
and then they start to play and then they reel
you in and then they win. Even if it takes
the last shot of the game to do so.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Now speaking, you know, these are both well run organizations,
both in a great spot. Both these teams, you know,
they're trying to win a title. They've got big goals
in mind. Somebody who has spent time and maybe not
so well run organizations that we are going to talk
about here on two Pros and a Cup of Joe
is none other than DeVante Adams, who finds himself with
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the LA Rams, a team who pushed the Philadelphia Eagles
to the brink last year, played the Eagles closer and
tougher than anybody else the Eagles saw in the postseason.
But DeVante Adams wasn't a part of that because he
was finishing up last year with the New York Jets.
And so DeVante spoke yesterday about his experience in LA
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and maybe some differences from what he's gone through the
past couple of years.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
This game is supposed to be a kids game and
us just have a good time, you know, a fun
time out there together. Kind of feel like you know,
Pop Warner high school college ball all over the gain,
and that's exactly what this team feels like. In the
best way possible. It feels like a college type camaraderie. Yes,
it's always going to be different, but I just I
feel like this is what I needed, just base off
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the vibe and the aura of the of the of
the building, and everybody's in a, you know, a good mood.
It's not like a you know, a dark cloud over
the building. And and I've I've experienced that quite a
bit over the last few years. So it's a glaring
difference when you come into a building like this.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Well, there's new coaches in his last two stops, so
it ain't like he it's it's it's a hard point
to prove.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know, he's probably he'd probably looking around going, wait,
so you don't have an owner landing a helicopter on
the practice field, like you don't. You don't have any
of that stuff going on. We don't have all the
other the all the other chaos that came along with
whatever the hell the Raiders were thinking and trying to
do there and whatever the hell the Jets were. When
you go from the Raiders and the Jets to the Rams,
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he's got to be looking around going, oh, wow, this
is this is how it should be, like, this is
this kind of brings me back and runs through what
things were like in Green Bay for a time like this,
This is a whole different look for my for my
NFL life and career.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
By the way, it's Joe Beninatti. Sorry, Joe, I used
to have we I used to have them on my
show all the time when I was in Washington. So
shouts out to Joe Beninatti. I don't know why I said,
Brian McNally. I think McNally writes for the Post though. Anyway, Uh,
you know, to your point, Davante Adams has a body
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of work that would say you're you're able to give
him the benefit of the doubt. That's what I would say,
you know, if I removed my emotions from how things
went with him in Vegas based upon you know, one
of my closest friends being the head coach at the
time that he departed, you know for for well, no,
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it was the year before.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
No, they got rid of.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Him, when they get rid of them AP was that
doing APS time?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
H Yeah, yeah, they got rid of them. Why AP
was still there right?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, because this is yeah, AP coaches last year.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, as you guys can see, sometimes my my my
post traumatic syndrome plays out on over the air. Like
you know, me and Ap have been through some things
with football and stuff like that, and he's fortunate enough
to have been able to get a Super Bowl ring
and coach as a head coach. I never thought i'd
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have a close friend that'd be a head coach. But
that's pretty cool. But you know, obviously I thought they
gave him a raw deal. And and to me, removing
those emotions away from the personal aspect of how you
saw things go in Las Vegas. Just looking at the
body of work that Davante had going into leaving Green
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Bay to play for it for the Raiders, you would
have expected to see more. You would have thought that
the results would have been different and they and they weren't,
and they weren't. So I gotta say, I'm I'm sympathetic
to what Davante was saying and what he was feeling.
And then you go into New York. Now, while I'll
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say for him to think that you were going to
leave Vegas and go to New York for a better situation,
I mean, the idea of thinking that you and Aaron
Rodgers being reunited was intriguing.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
But if we're being realistic.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
What would have gave you any inclination that it was
going to be a great situation to go to New York, Like.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I don't. I don't buy that one.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
So it says to me that that there's something about
Las Vegas and the Raiders that was so bad that
he'd take a risk for the amount of time that
he was was going to do and go to New
York and play with Aaron Rodgers in that situation, because
that didn't.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Pan out very good, very nicely.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I think his the appealing part of The Raiders was
Derek Carr because him and Derek Carr were buddies, They're
good friends, and so he thought, listen, if I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Gonna they want play one down together?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And well they did, but or they did, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But then they benched there.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
They benched Derek Carr later in the season, and then
they move on from Derek Carr and DeVante.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Adams season one season together.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Davanta Adams is looking around, going what the hell's happening here?
Josh McDaniels, that experiment was a disaster. So everything that
Devanta Adams thought he was getting in Las Vegas he
didn't get. And so He was vocal about it was
he was frustrated, he was disappointed. I think him the
appeal to go play for the Jets was like, well, look,
they're both diaper fires, but at least you know, I
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got my other good friend in the NFL who can
be a part of that. If I can't play with
Derek Carr again, I'll just go play with Aaron Rodgers.
And they did it, and you know, they got a
couple of more touchdowns together and all that. It's I
just think, I.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Don't know, what do you mean.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
He could have went to another team, He could have
fought his way to get traded to another team. Yeah,
but I think like, I'm gonna take my chances with
this other crappy team because my teammate's there, Like, yeah,
that's good, buddy. I love my good buddies. But I'm
not going to be like, yeah, let me out of here,
this bad situation, going to go to another one here
I could be with my homie, Like nah, bruhn, I don't,
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I don't. I don't read it that way. I think
they felt like they could make a difference. You're not
going there because I just want to go be with
Aaron Rodgers. You're going there because you thought he thought
he might be the difference maker and that things might change,
and if he was a part of that and they
were doing that together, that it was going to be.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know, it's it's up from there.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Here's here's a little tip to anybody who thinks they're
going to be the difference maker with the Jets. If
you really want to be the difference maker with the Jets,
see if they'll trade owners with somebody and then and
then maybe maybe we could make an impact on the organization.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Other than that, it's what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
You know, I just I just don't think that.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
If I'm DeVante Adams, you disqualify yourself from from saying
you you felt horrible about this and horrible about that.
If you if you went to New York with any
other expectation, then you thought you were going to be
the catalyst and help Aaron Rodgers to get that thing
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turned around. If you went there for any other reason
than that, then that disqualifies you from from saying what
you said. But when you look at it from a
critical perspective, a logical perspective, the roster would have said
that adding a Davante Adams to the New York Jets
would on paper make them a better team, and it didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It didn't, And so.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Where where are we with how we feel about Davante
Adams now?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Today?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
It's it's a matter of can he can he recapture
the magic that he had in Green Bay or is
it is it gone?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Is it just a matter of, you know, play out
your days and head into retirement.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I'm curious to see if he.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Can return to being an elite, top top what five
received in the league? What would you have him at?
Would you have him as a top ten receiver right
now today?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah? On the bottom lower five? No, no, not top five.
I wouldn't say top five, but yeah, he's you know,
fringe top ten still like you just like you've got
to see because he's also he's produced, and he's done
it with not great quarterback options, Like his numbers with
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Las Vegas are still good despite everything that he went through.
And then you know he gets you know, he misses
some time, he gets traded, they go to the Jets.
That wasn't a great situation. He was still trying to
find his footing with Rogers at certain points of last season,
as well too, so his numbers are still there, but
it is age. I mean, yeah, I would still say
he's a top ten wide receiver in the league.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Better than Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
No God, no Jamar Chase, no AJ Brown, no Seed
Lamb No, I'm and Ross Saint Brown.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
No.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Hookah Nakua.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, Tyreek, I'll take him over Puka.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I'm not, but but go ahead. They're on the same
team now, Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But Tyree's gotten a little banged up here, so maybe
that's a closer closer one.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, maybe that's Collins.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I'll take Davante. Molite neighbors, the Malie Neighbors done it
for one year. Brian Thomas Jr. I'll take Davante. Brian
Thomas Jr. By the way, underrated. He didn't get a
lot of love last year, but because he was at
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a bad spot. But he had a good year as
well too. But I'll still take Davante.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I think it's I think it's a it's a debatable
for the last you know, two or three, But if
I'm looking at what Davante has done over the last
two years, I don't take him over any of those.
I don't take him over not one of those guys.
Looking at the last two.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Years, okay, but him and Pooka Nkua together that's one
of the better wide receiver combos in the league.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Potentially, Yea, I guess potentially. I think that's where we're at.
Well after the last two years. What is the potential?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Maybe the better question is would you take Davante Adams
or would you take Cooper Cup? Because that's basically what
they did.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
They it's it's it's a it's a for me that
one is is is tough because if Cooper Cup stays healthy.
I don't have any issues with Cooper Cup. It's his
health that bothers me. He misses too many games due
to health issues. If if he is healthy, I'm one
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hundred percent taking Cooper Cup and Pooka Nakula over Puka
Nakoulah and and Davante Adams one hundred perc I'm not
I'll take Davante. I don't know what I'm getting with Davante.
I don't know. I don't know if he's been scarred
from the traveling from team to team. You are now,
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you are now on your what you're thirteen you're thirteam.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I mean yeah, but listen, Cooper Cup. You know, seeking
of traveling, he traveled, you know, from a horse and
buggy all the way to you know, to Washington to
the Rams back to the Seahawks. I mean to get
out of the Amish community he was in to make
it to the NFL and be a Super Bowl MVP.
I think says something about him.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But you know, he's a men of Night.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
I guess all I know is that men and Knight
can catch that football and he runs some pretty good routes.
And I bet you, if you were asking Matthew Stafford,
who do you rather have, I bet you he take
Cooper Cup over both those dudes, damn both the kupa
and and DeVante Adams if you asked him so. And
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I don't want to speak for him, I don't want
to speak out a term, but I would assume he
would want want Cooper Cup, a healthy Cooper Cup. And
I think the value there is we know what Cooper
Cup is able to do because of the I mean,
he won offensive MVP of the league with the with
the REMD.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The problem with Cooper Cup, though, is it's not like
he's got one year of injuries because this has been
multiple years in a row since he signed the deal,
he like, he hasn't been the same player. And multiple teams, Yeah,
I mean people like him.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You know, if they like him, you don't need multiple teams.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
They like him, you know he's in demand.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I don't need multiple teams and that short amount of
time to know that people like me.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
So what where we're at right now is the potential
of what Cooper Cup can do where he's at currently.
It's the same conversation you're going to have about Davonte
Adams where he is currently. It's all up for debate,
and it's all based off of potential. Because if you
show me one person that could tell me or tell
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you definitively that that Davante Adams is going to be
a success in in LA show, where is that person?
Because I don't think he's there. We got Albert Breer
coming on in a moment here like maybe maybe he.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Can clear it up.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
But I'm just telling you I wouldn't I wouldn't bet
the bank on it that that Davonte Adams is going
to be this lights out figure, this player for for
the l A ramsh.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
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Speaker 2 (22:53):
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Speaker 8 (22:56):
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Speaker 1 (23:09):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Coming up, we'll call it a little over.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Fifteen minutes from now, we are going to do something
a little special on the show today. It's called Coops Leftovers.
That'll be yours here again fifteen minutes from now on FSR.
Right now, though, we welcome in the man himself, a
Thursday tradition here on the show. He is Albert Breer,
Senior NFL Reporter, Lead content strategist at the MMQB Amazon
(23:37):
NFL on Prime Insider, and you can get him on
x at Albert Brier.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Ab good morning, how you doing?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Heys so one to ask you with the no shows
at camp, whether it be TJ. Watt, Trey Hendrickson, Terry McLaurin,
which of these are you most concerned is not going
to result in a deal with his current team?
Speaker 9 (24:01):
And its probably all well, But like the Trey.
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Hendricksons thing, I think it's probably the most tenuous spot
because it's lasted three off seasons. Now they did the
band aid deal two years ago last year and make
any progress and now you know, the markets changes that
position where you know, like I think you have some
pretty decent comps and Max Crosby and and Danil Hunter
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getting deals later in their careers better in the mid thirties,
you know, And so the Bengals getting there, What does
the structure look like? Is it more like the Famar
Chase structure? Is it more like the Tea Higgins structure?
The thing is like complicated in a lot of different ways.
And you know, on on on one side, you've got
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a team that you know obviously has this reputation that
on the other side, you've got a player who probably
isn't going to be looking to give a team any discount.
So I think that one's probably the most tenuous and
the least predictable.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Right now, what about Micah, Like it just seems like
it's kind of a low impact, low key type of deal.
I think everybody knows there's a big deal that's imminent,
but how big is it? Ab Like, should people be
bracing and for the largest contract, like bigger than a
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moles Garrett? Does it fall short of that? Like where
where do you see this, you know, shaping up and landing?
Speaker 10 (25:31):
So I mean I think it should probably land north
of miles Garrett. You know, I think at this point
you're probably talking about like an average per years that
starts with the four and not at Briand part of
that as the results them waiting as long as they did,
you know, like the markets changed and h and that's
the risk of waiting, of course. And I dude, I
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don't know why the cowboys keep doing this b bar like,
but you know, they went down the road with ceedee lamb,
they went down the road with I mean, they just
wait and wait and wait in the last possible minute
and then they wind up having made an attacks and
so you know, I I as as weird as that
negotiation and the whole thing between Mike and the Cowboys
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to spin at time over the last year. I just
I don't see Jerry Watt.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
In a way or taking a hard lunch.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
I just think that this is I mean, to me
at least like at some point they're going to get
something done. And whether that's now or on September fifth,
you know, I think it should matter more than it
does to the Cowboys. But we saw their willingness to
go that deep into it with Ceedee Lamb and Dak
(26:46):
Prescott last year.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
They've got a history of this sort of thing, of course.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
And you know, uh, you sort of wish that they
could have been more aggressive with something like this, like
because I do think they're easier in just the ones
they pursued.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
But where we.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Are Alberberer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on
the subject of the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Why do they operate like this?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Why are they always waiting so long until the last
minute to get a deal done knowing that it's going
to cost them more from people you've talked to, Why
did they operate under these conditions?
Speaker 9 (27:23):
You know, I think I think, I think would you
say it was that last.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Part I lost just why do they operate underneath the
under these conditions and and and do business this way?
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Yeah, I mean I think it's like, if you want
the skeptical view, the skeptical view is that owners like
to keep their money and their investments for as long
as possible. And so that's why maybe some teams would
rather do a deal with you in August than in March,
you know, and that the longer they can wait to
(27:56):
have that might come out of their pocket, the better.
But if I'm not being skeptical now it which you know,
you always have to have some skeptics in with this stuff.
I would just say, like, you know, when you're saying
things early in the process, like well, we got to
find a way to fit everybody, and you know, really
(28:18):
like it's sort of self serving, and then you make
the player away like it puts you in a really
tough position. And you know, I again, like I don't
know if there's the cowboys drawing hard lines with guys
early on. I think there's some cases that we would
rather wait the extra year so we have some certainty.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
I just like I think that there are certain ones.
Speaker 10 (28:41):
That are obvious, you know what I mean, Like I
think with see Lamb, it was obvious like that he
was trending towards a blockbuster deal, and like that it
was smart for them to get done a year early,
and they didn't do it, and it cost them a
lot of money. I think when the quarterback generally answered
no question that you have the answer to, this is
(29:03):
another one now Again, like I don't know, things have
always been perfect with Mike uh and certain people in
that building. But he's a great, great player, and like
I do, think it's incumbent on you to make that
decision early, as early as you can so you can
get the guy under contract for a little bit less
and bolt of them with the with an extra previous year,
(29:26):
which knocks down the average and makes it easier to manage.
That's what the Eagles have done. It's one way the
Eagles have been able to build the roster they've been
able to build, and for one Raiser or out of
the Cowboy, she has been unwilling to build that way.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Speaking about easy answers, Abe, your your rep sets should
be pretty easy to structure. Doesn't sound like that in Cleveland.
And I'm curious to Joe Flacco coming out and saying
he doesn't know why or what his rep are going
(30:00):
to be or why they're so low, but he trusts
the FANSKI. My question to that would be, what does
that represent for Flacco? Does that mean he's got one
foot out the door there? They may be thinking about
not going with him. I know it would be easy
to say he's the he's the veteran. They brought him
back because they know they can win with him. That's
(30:22):
the easy answer, AB But I mean what isn't easy
about this is you have four quarterbacks and you really
have to figure out what.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You're going to do.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
And I'll add this based upon all of the at
tension and all of the highlights and the fan fair
surrounding Shador Sanders, I think he complicates it even more
because your most popular player at the position is a
fifth round draft pick rookie.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
Yeah, it's sort of interesting too, because I think it's
you know, I mean, I have they made some sort
of quiet promise to Joe. I don't know, if you're
Joe and fighting for the job you do on those reps. Now,
I did talk to him a couple of weeks ago,
and you know, he said to me, like, I'm comfortable
with the fact that they know who I am, they
know what I can do, and like that might mean
(31:12):
that I get a little less work right now. And
if he's so comfortable with that, it does make me
wonder like has they given him some sort of assurance
At the very least, I would say it almost feels like,
I guess he's got like a first round by into
the quarter in the quarterback co petishes.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know what I mean, he's the one seed.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
Yeah, like he's got the first round by and now
those guys are competing for summer reps and he'll be
there when they get to the second round of training camp.
That sort of feel that way, though, doesn't it Like
I I don't know, I mean like I think, you know,
like they do know what they have. He has played
in the offense. It is a little different, but like, you know,
(31:55):
if he's so willing to step aside and let these
guys the word, well, then I do think to some degree,
like he's got to feel comfortable with where he's at
in the competition. And you know, it'll be really fascinating
to see what Kevin is saying on day one up
(32:17):
training camp because of where this thing has gone and
you know, I think the fact that it's probably in
the levarc and speaks is better than me. But I
think it's probably impractical to have four quarterbacks in a
completely open competition, all on level ground at the beginning
at the end of July.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
It's just too much to do. There are too few refs.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
There's you know, like ten other guys in the huddle
up to get ready for the season.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
And I do think.
Speaker 10 (32:44):
It's Kevin like has sort of hinted at that. It's
not flat out said it like where you know, he's
say like like everyone's being evaluated right now, and sometimes
coaches won't say that in the spring, like that the
competition is already underway. But it does feel like the
competition already underway. And like I said, maybe Joe does
have that first round five.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
He is Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategists
at the MMQB. You can get him on x at
Albert Breer, also Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider as well too.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
AB.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
We always appreciate it. Thanks so much, enjoyed the weekend.
We'll do it again next Thursday.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
Thanks guys, I'm great with you.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
There is Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
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But right now it's time to close up shop with
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Speaker 8 (34:48):
Please might smell a little fun. That sounds incredible, but
they're still good. Time to find out what's lack? Who's leftovers?
Justin Cooper, what do we got?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (35:01):
All right, you guys, so uh you know, like I
think it was a couple of weeks ago Joe Flacco
said that he's he's not a mentor, but apparently doesn't
like mentoring. Well, I have learned that Joe Flacco also
does not like TikTok.
Speaker 12 (35:16):
TikTok dances. The fact that people that is different to
this generation. The fact that people want to get on
their phones and show people the most Like that's embarrassing.
You're an adult, like being an adult. Like it's just
like I I can't wrap my head around that, and
like I get it. Like you have kids, and like
you want to like you want to like have fun
with your kids, like well, like have fun.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
With your kids in private.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
You know that's what. I'm not guarded. I don't think
I'm guarded at all. I think honestly, if you talk
to me in person, I'll tell you a lot. I'll
be pretty honest with you. But like, yeah, on social media,
no chance, no.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Chance, just part of me.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
There's there's a piece of me.
Speaker 12 (35:49):
At times they were like, ah, should I be this
guy that kind of like does this a little bit?
Like cause that I feel like in order to have
a good social media you do want to be honest
and like show what you do in your life. But
it's it's like that's a job.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That Lvar, you're a TikTok guy? How does that land
with you? Jonah? I didn't set it close to home
or not for you.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
I mean I do I GA like I do I
G you know, I do Facebook stuff like that, but dang,
like you're gonna put me on.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Have you ever seen somebody do a TikTok video in person?
It's the most uncomfortable thing you ever watched.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's so awkward. Oh my god, It's like you look
at him going, do you behave like that?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
What is the costco.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
Doing?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It's so weird.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
It's so weird man, that this whole like culture of
joking and pranking and doing it's starting to get bad
too because people getting like, you know, killed off of
them Like I was joking. I was joking, yeah, but
I wasn't the malfunction malfunction Yeah. So I don't know, man,
(37:17):
I don't really get off into all them.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I believe in media.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
I believe in you know, being able to grow your
brand and stuff like that. I get it, you know
what I mean, And I enjoy it and I'm a
part of it, but just to a capacity that you know,
for me, it just falls within reason of who I
am and what I represent.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
So for what we do, we have to do. Social media,
I mean, it is what it is. It's a necessary evil,
and if you want to call it that, that's fine.
But there are certain people that have social media.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
That shouldn't have it, no at all. I have it.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
You're not funny, you're not entertaining, and the stuff you
post sucks, and for some reason they just keep churning
it out.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
But I kind of feeled out about people making kids too, like, yeah,
the people shouldn't even be able to make kids. Your
decisions just seem to be like it's gonna it's gonna
land poorly with with a chow. Why would why would
they give you the opportunity to actually make one like you?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
By the way, happy father say to you, Happy Father's Day.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Up? What else we got, Coop?
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I'm just saying, go ahead, Coop?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, good, by the way, Coop.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Don't you have any recommendations from a from an entertainment
standpoint that could be out there?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Is there anything to watch? Because it feels like there's
two there's so much stuff online. I do have a recommendation. Actually, yeah, okay.
Speaker 11 (38:42):
I have been watching a new show on Netflix called
Department Q and it is a British detective series and
it's it's really good so far what I've watched of it.
I don't know if you ever watched us Low Horses
on Apple TV plus No?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Is that the that was so slow?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
They missed three hours of a show?
Speaker 11 (39:08):
Yap. Yes, that is the Gary old That is the
Gary Oldman show.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (39:17):
And that show is fantastic, man, and I would kind
of compare it to this one on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Department kew that.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I'm telling you, man, Gary Oldman, he's one of my favorites. Yeah,
one of my favorite actors. He's awesome. That guy was
was he Churchhill? Was that the uh? Winston?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
That guy was Winston Churchill in one movie? And the
pimp from True Remote Romance?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
In an out there? You talk about range? I love
Gary Oldman had Dracula? Was he in Dracula too?
Speaker 11 (39:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Was Jonas and Dracula?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yap?
Speaker 9 (39:54):
Hard right?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Have my Harrington? Damn?
Speaker 11 (39:58):
Did you guys know that the World Series of Pokers
going on right now?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Come on, Coop?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Yeah, come on, come about a Coop? How do you
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well?
Speaker 11 (40:06):
I am flying out there this Friday, just for the
weekend so I can play in a couple of tournaments,
and then later this month I'll be flying out there
and staying for nine nights.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Well you have a gambling public.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, but I think in your best finish at the
World Series of Poker was what again, Coop?
Speaker 11 (40:23):
Well, I mean there's different events, but in the tag
team event, my wife and I we finished in like
one hundred and thirty second place out of like out
of like twelve hundred or something like that.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, a really good at tag team. And I'm hau Coop.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
You know, my May, my May, Coop.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
I appreciate you, Bro,
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Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, yeah, if you will go with pop that ish
puppet slip in and.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Not coming in. Doom Doom, Doom, Doom, Doom doom doom.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
They said, Hey, why were we at having no leftover?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Cause nothing was mate?
Speaker 5 (01:10):
No, alright, man go yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh man, only on our show though, Oh man, he's
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We appreciate it. We'll be taking you all the way
up until nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific, till
the end of this hour. And we start this hour
looking back on what we started our one with, which
was Game three of the NBA Finals. We gave you
the stat eighty cent of the time in a one
to one series tie, the team that wins Game three
(02:04):
and the NBA Finals goes on to win the NBA title.
The odds would say otherwise, slightly under a three to
one favorite are the OKC thunder to still win the
NBA Finals despite being down two games to one. But
if you ask SGA, if you ask Shay Gilders Alexander,
(02:25):
it's very simple. We've got some things that we've got
to work on. They're beating us in some aspects of
the game, and we just got to play a little
bit different. In Game four, let's take a listen.
Speaker 6 (02:34):
They felt like they won all the fifty to fifty plays.
They executed on both both ends of the ball. When
you give those two things up, and no matter what quarter,
you're probably gonna lose the quarter, especially and then it
goes back to especially on the road in a hostile
environment and crowds behind them. So yeah, we got to
take care of those things. If you want to come
on a game forward it does.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You know what I love about the Thunder They operate
and sound as if they've won an NBA title before,
and they haven't, because there is no there's no panic,
there's no stress, there's no it's just eah, we listen,
we have some things we need.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
To work on. That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Very measured, very calm, very calculated, not worried at all
eighty percent of the time. Okay, yeah, we just have
some things we need to work on. And you look
at back on their season, they didn't really get tested
a whole lot. The time they did get tested the
most was probably Denver a couple of rounds ago in
the NBA Playoffs, and even in that when they're potentially
(03:36):
on the ropes in a pivotal Game five at home
and they're losing late, they made enough plays, figured it
out and ultimately won that series in seven games. But
they don't strike me as a team that panics too
much when it comes to having their backs against the wall,
almost like they won a.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Title before they have it.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
It's kind of interesting, So, you know, you're good enough
to win a gold medal. Talent is amazing, but you
just ain't never won one like they. I mean, they're good,
they're good. They they aren't panicking, and they do have,
you know, at least SGA's soundbites. He always sounds as
(04:11):
though he's he's been there before. And that's that's what
they tell you. The mark of a good a good ballplayer,
somebody who always is striving and aspiring to be better,
is to, you know, always understand that you know you're
never as good as you thought you were, and you're
never as bad as you thought you were, and act
like you've been there before, you know, And that's that's
(04:31):
I think it's a classy way of approaching things. I
think that SGA has uh has done that. And again,
I think it's hard to come up with a definitive
conclusion as to how this series will end. I think
last game, like the game before last night's game, you
(04:53):
would have said that, Okay, there's the OKAC team that
that we were expecting to see, and the series should
take a turn for the worst for the Pacers. But
then they get back home stealing one game in Oka,
see and you see a Pacers team last night where
you'd say, this is a Pacers team that can match
(05:15):
the defense of OKAC and have enough talent to score
and keep up with OKC and scoring. It's matchup points.
And in this this series, it's a it's a Stoles matchup,
and they match they have similar styles. It's like two lefties,
two South Pauls fighting. You get two South Pauls in
(05:37):
the ring. If they're technically sound, you might get hit clashing,
you know, and and that happens a lot when you
don't have, you know, a conventional versus a South Paul
or whatever it may be.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
It just it happens that way.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
So to me, it's it's like looking at two teams
that fight with with the same type of style, and
and yet it has been Indiana who has proven to
be able to take that style and be able to
execute it a high enough level to come away with
victories in the series. So, whether they've been there or not,
(06:12):
whether the confidence is there or is waning, whatever it
may be, you're still looking at two teams that probably
are sitting there one saying that we can we're in
a very advantageous position and we can't let it get
away and the other one sitting there feeling is though,
we're in a good situation, not in the best of situations,
(06:35):
but we can improve our situation. We're only one game
away and you know, we get one, get one more
hit back home, and we should be good.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
You know.
Speaker 5 (06:47):
I don't know how that all plays out, but it
still seems as though that it's a competitive a competitive series,
and SGA shouldn't have lost any confidence in neither you know,
any of the other Okac thunder They can bounce back
from this.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Now that we've seen the series through three games. The
idea going into it that Okay, se was just gonna
stomp all over them and run away with it.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
It's gone. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Well it's gone, and I never anymore. And I think
we all were kind of an agreement. Was while everyone's
talking about, well, okay, see in a sweep and the
odds were they were a seven to one to win
the series, and I was like, man, yeah, I think
they're probably gonna win, but this is going to be
a much more competitive series than that.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Just basic almost say they're probably going to win. Now
it's it's just hard to say they're probably going to win.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Now I would I would still pick oka See even
down two to one, I would still take okay See.
But this is not going to be. This is going
to be more resembling the Denver Series for Oklahoma City,
and it already has in a lot of ways to
where they're being pushed to their limits. They're staying cool
(07:59):
and they're staying calm and collected through the entire thing,
even being down two to one, as you just search
from SGA. But the idea that this was going to
be they were going to walk away with this thing,
and you know it was just going to be a
you know, a blood bath because okay See was the
best team wired to wire in the NBA. It's a
man like you're seeing different. Indiana has just got the
(08:21):
ability to stay in the game and make a run
late that nobody else has, maybe not even Oka See.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
It's very true. It's a very great point. It is
a great point. They have been a comeback, comeback team.
It's almost as though they they adapt, they adjust, They
take your best shot while they're adapting and their adjusting,
and then they start to play and then they reel
you in and then they win. Even if it takes
the last shot of the game to do so.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Now speaking, you know, these are both well run organizations,
both in a great spot. Both these teams, you know,
they're trying to win a title. They've got big goals
in mind. Somebody who has spent time and maybe not
so well run organizations that we are going to talk
about here on two Pros and a Cup of Joe
is none other than DeVante Adams, who finds himself with
(09:13):
the LA Rams, a team who pushed the Philadelphia Eagles
to the brink last year, played the Eagles closer and
tougher than anybody else the Eagles saw in the postseason.
But DeVante Adams wasn't a part of that because he
was finishing up last year with the New York Jets.
And so DeVante spoke yesterday about his experience in LA
(09:36):
and maybe some differences from what he's gone through the
past couple of years.
Speaker 7 (09:39):
This game is supposed to be a kids game and
us just have a good time, you know, a fun
time out there together. Kind of feel like you know,
Pop Warner high school college ball all over the gain,
and that's exactly what this team feels like. In the
best way possible. It feels like a college type camaraderie. Yes,
it's always going to be different, but I just I
feel like this is what I needed, just base off
(10:00):
the vibe and the aura of the of the of
the building, and everybody's in a, you know, a good mood.
It's not like a you know, a dark cloud over
the building. And and I've I've experienced that quite a
bit over the last few years. So it's a glaring
difference when you come into a building like this.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Well, there's new coaches in his last two stops, so
it ain't like he it's it's it's a hard point
to prove.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
You know, he's probably he'd probably looking around going, wait,
so you don't have an owner landing a helicopter on
the practice field, like you don't. You don't have any
of that stuff going on. We don't have all the
other the all the other chaos that came along with
whatever the hell the Raiders were thinking and trying to
do there and whatever the hell the Jets were. When
you go from the Raiders and the Jets to the Rams,
(10:50):
he's got to be looking around going, oh, wow, this
is this is how it should be, like, this is
this kind of brings me back and runs through what
things were like in Green Bay for a time like this,
This is a whole different look for my for my
NFL life and career.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
By the way, it's Joe Beninatti. Sorry, Joe, I used
to have we I used to have them on my
show all the time when I was in Washington. So
shouts out to Joe Beninatti. I don't know why I said,
Brian McNally. I think McNally writes for the Post though. Anyway, Uh,
you know, to your point, Davante Adams has a body
(11:25):
of work that would say you're you're able to give
him the benefit of the doubt. That's what I would say,
you know, if I removed my emotions from how things
went with him in Vegas based upon you know, one
of my closest friends being the head coach at the
time that he departed, you know for for well, no,
(11:47):
it was the year before.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
No, they got rid of.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Him, when they get rid of them AP was that
doing APS time?
Speaker 4 (11:54):
H Yeah, yeah, they got rid of them. Why AP
was still there right?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, because this is yeah, AP coaches last year.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Yeah, as you guys can see, sometimes my my my
post traumatic syndrome plays out on over the air. Like
you know, me and Ap have been through some things
with football and stuff like that, and he's fortunate enough
to have been able to get a Super Bowl ring
and coach as a head coach. I never thought i'd
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have a close friend that'd be a head coach. But
that's pretty cool. But you know, obviously I thought they
gave him a raw deal. And and to me, removing
those emotions away from the personal aspect of how you
saw things go in Las Vegas. Just looking at the
body of work that Davante had going into leaving Green
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Bay to play for it for the Raiders, you would
have expected to see more. You would have thought that
the results would have been different and they and they weren't,
and they weren't. So I gotta say, I'm I'm sympathetic
to what Davante was saying and what he was feeling.
And then you go into New York. Now, while I'll
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say for him to think that you were going to
leave Vegas and go to New York for a better situation,
I mean, the idea of thinking that you and Aaron
Rodgers being reunited was intriguing.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
But if we're being realistic.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
What would have gave you any inclination that it was
going to be a great situation to go to New York, Like.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
I don't. I don't buy that one.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
So it says to me that that there's something about
Las Vegas and the Raiders that was so bad that
he'd take a risk for the amount of time that
he was was going to do and go to New
York and play with Aaron Rodgers in that situation, because
that didn't.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Pan out very good, very nicely.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I think his the appealing part of The Raiders was
Derek Carr because him and Derek Carr were buddies, They're
good friends, and so he thought, listen, if I'm.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Gonna they want play one down together?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And well they did, but or they did, didn't they?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But then they benched there.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
They benched Derek Carr later in the season, and then
they move on from Derek Carr and DeVante.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Adams season one season together.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Davanta Adams is looking around, going what the hell's happening here?
Josh McDaniels, that experiment was a disaster. So everything that
Devanta Adams thought he was getting in Las Vegas he
didn't get. And so He was vocal about it was
he was frustrated, he was disappointed. I think him the
appeal to go play for the Jets was like, well, look,
they're both diaper fires, but at least you know, I
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got my other good friend in the NFL who can
be a part of that. If I can't play with
Derek Carr again, I'll just go play with Aaron Rodgers.
And they did it, and you know, they got a
couple of more touchdowns together and all that. It's I
just think, I.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
Don't know, what do you mean.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
He could have went to another team, He could have
fought his way to get traded to another team. Yeah,
but I think like, I'm gonna take my chances with
this other crappy team because my teammate's there, Like, yeah,
that's good, buddy. I love my good buddies. But I'm
not going to be like, yeah, let me out of here,
this bad situation, going to go to another one here
I could be with my homie, Like nah, bruhn, I don't,
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I don't. I don't read it that way. I think
they felt like they could make a difference. You're not
going there because I just want to go be with
Aaron Rodgers. You're going there because you thought he thought
he might be the difference maker and that things might change,
and if he was a part of that and they
were doing that together, that it was going to be.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You know, it's it's up from there.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Here's here's a little tip to anybody who thinks they're
going to be the difference maker with the Jets. If
you really want to be the difference maker with the Jets,
see if they'll trade owners with somebody and then and
then maybe maybe we could make an impact on the organization.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Other than that, it's what it is.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
You know, I just I just don't think that.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
If I'm DeVante Adams, you disqualify yourself from from saying
you you felt horrible about this and horrible about that.
If you if you went to New York with any
other expectation, then you thought you were going to be
the catalyst and help Aaron Rodgers to get that thing
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turned around. If you went there for any other reason
than that, then that disqualifies you from from saying what
you said. But when you look at it from a
critical perspective, a logical perspective, the roster would have said
that adding a Davante Adams to the New York Jets
would on paper make them a better team, and it didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
It didn't, And so.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Where where are we with how we feel about Davante
Adams now?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Today?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
It's it's a matter of can he can he recapture
the magic that he had in Green Bay or is
it is it gone?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Is it just a matter of, you know, play out
your days and head into retirement.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
I'm curious to see if he.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Can return to being an elite, top top what five
received in the league? What would you have him at?
Would you have him as a top ten receiver right
now today?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah? On the bottom lower five? No, no, not top five.
I wouldn't say top five, but yeah, he's you know,
fringe top ten still like you just like you've got
to see because he's also he's produced, and he's done
it with not great quarterback options, Like his numbers with
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Las Vegas are still good despite everything that he went through.
And then you know he gets you know, he misses
some time, he gets traded, they go to the Jets.
That wasn't a great situation. He was still trying to
find his footing with Rogers at certain points of last season,
as well too, so his numbers are still there, but
it is age. I mean, yeah, I would still say
he's a top ten wide receiver in the league.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Better than Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
No God, no Jamar Chase, no AJ Brown, no Seed
Lamb No, I'm and Ross Saint Brown.
Speaker 8 (18:03):
No.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Hookah Nakua.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, Tyreek, I'll take him over Puka.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
I'm not, but but go ahead. They're on the same
team now, Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But Tyree's gotten a little banged up here, so maybe
that's a closer closer one.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, maybe that's Collins.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I'll take Davante. Molite neighbors, the Malie Neighbors done it
for one year. Brian Thomas Jr. I'll take Davante. Brian
Thomas Jr. By the way, underrated. He didn't get a
lot of love last year, but because he was at
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a bad spot. But he had a good year as
well too. But I'll still take Davante.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I think it's I think it's a it's a debatable
for the last you know, two or three, But if
I'm looking at what Davante has done over the last
two years, I don't take him over any of those.
I don't take him over not one of those guys.
Looking at the last two.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Years, okay, but him and Pooka Nkua together that's one
of the better wide receiver combos in the league.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Potentially, Yea, I guess potentially. I think that's where we're at.
Well after the last two years. What is the potential?
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Maybe the better question is would you take Davante Adams
or would you take Cooper Cup? Because that's basically what
they did.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
They it's it's it's a it's a for me that
one is is is tough because if Cooper Cup stays healthy.
I don't have any issues with Cooper Cup. It's his
health that bothers me. He misses too many games due
to health issues. If if he is healthy, I'm one
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hundred percent taking Cooper Cup and Pooka Nakula over Puka
Nakoulah and and Davante Adams one hundred perc I'm not
I'll take Davante. I don't know what I'm getting with Davante.
I don't know. I don't know if he's been scarred
from the traveling from team to team. You are now,
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you are now on your what you're thirteen you're thirteam.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
I mean yeah, but listen, Cooper Cup. You know, seeking
of traveling, he traveled, you know, from a horse and
buggy all the way to you know, to Washington to
the Rams back to the Seahawks. I mean to get
out of the Amish community he was in to make
it to the NFL and be a Super Bowl MVP.
I think says something about him.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
But you know, he's a men of Night.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
I guess all I know is that men and Knight
can catch that football and he runs some pretty good routes.
And I bet you, if you were asking Matthew Stafford,
who do you rather have, I bet you he take
Cooper Cup over both those dudes, damn both the kupa
and and DeVante Adams if you asked him so. And
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I don't want to speak for him, I don't want
to speak out a term, but I would assume he
would want want Cooper Cup, a healthy Cooper Cup. And
I think the value there is we know what Cooper
Cup is able to do because of the I mean,
he won offensive MVP of the league with the with
the REMD.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
The problem with Cooper Cup, though, is it's not like
he's got one year of injuries because this has been
multiple years in a row since he signed the deal,
he like, he hasn't been the same player. And multiple teams, Yeah,
I mean people like him.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
You know, if they like him, you don't need multiple teams.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
They like him, you know he's in demand.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
I don't need multiple teams and that short amount of
time to know that people like me.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
So what where we're at right now is the potential
of what Cooper Cup can do where he's at currently.
It's the same conversation you're going to have about Davonte
Adams where he is currently. It's all up for debate,
and it's all based off of potential. Because if you
show me one person that could tell me or tell
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you definitively that that Davante Adams is going to be
a success in in LA show, where is that person?
Because I don't think he's there. We got Albert Breer
coming on in a moment here like maybe maybe he.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Can clear it up.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
But I'm just telling you I wouldn't I wouldn't bet
the bank on it that that Davonte Adams is going
to be this lights out figure, this player for for
the l A ramsh.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
on Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you Yes.
Coming up next here, we are going to hear from
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Speaker 2 (22:53):
He is Albert Breard. He's yours here on FSR.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
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Speaker 1 (23:09):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Coming up, we'll call it a little over.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Fifteen minutes from now, we are going to do something
a little special on the show today. It's called Coops Leftovers.
That'll be yours here again fifteen minutes from now on FSR.
Right now, though, we welcome in the man himself, a
Thursday tradition here on the show. He is Albert Breer,
Senior NFL Reporter, Lead content strategist at the MMQB Amazon
(23:37):
NFL on Prime Insider, and you can get him on
x at Albert Brier.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Ab good morning, how you doing?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Heys so one to ask you with the no shows
at camp, whether it be TJ. Watt, Trey Hendrickson, Terry McLaurin,
which of these are you most concerned is not going
to result in a deal with his current team?
Speaker 9 (24:01):
And its probably all well, But like the Trey.
Speaker 10 (24:03):
Hendricksons thing, I think it's probably the most tenuous spot
because it's lasted three off seasons. Now they did the
band aid deal two years ago last year and make
any progress and now you know, the markets changes that
position where you know, like I think you have some
pretty decent comps and Max Crosby and and Danil Hunter
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getting deals later in their careers better in the mid thirties,
you know, And so the Bengals getting there, What does
the structure look like? Is it more like the Famar
Chase structure? Is it more like the Tea Higgins structure?
The thing is like complicated in a lot of different ways.
And you know, on on on one side, you've got
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a team that you know obviously has this reputation that
on the other side, you've got a player who probably
isn't going to be looking to give a team any discount.
So I think that one's probably the most tenuous and
the least predictable.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
Right now, what about Micah, Like it just seems like
it's kind of a low impact, low key type of deal.
I think everybody knows there's a big deal that's imminent,
but how big is it? Ab Like, should people be
bracing and for the largest contract, like bigger than a
(25:24):
moles Garrett? Does it fall short of that? Like where
where do you see this, you know, shaping up and landing?
Speaker 10 (25:31):
So I mean I think it should probably land north
of miles Garrett. You know, I think at this point
you're probably talking about like an average per years that
starts with the four and not at Briand part of
that as the results them waiting as long as they did,
you know, like the markets changed and h and that's
the risk of waiting, of course. And I dude, I
(25:53):
don't know why the cowboys keep doing this b bar like,
but you know, they went down the road with ceedee lamb,
they went down the road with I mean, they just
wait and wait and wait in the last possible minute
and then they wind up having made an attacks and
so you know, I I as as weird as that
negotiation and the whole thing between Mike and the Cowboys
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to spin at time over the last year. I just
I don't see Jerry Watt.
Speaker 9 (26:21):
In a way or taking a hard lunch.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
I just think that this is I mean, to me
at least like at some point they're going to get
something done. And whether that's now or on September fifth,
you know, I think it should matter more than it
does to the Cowboys. But we saw their willingness to
go that deep into it with Ceedee Lamb and Dak
(26:46):
Prescott last year.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
They've got a history of this sort of thing, of course.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
And you know, uh, you sort of wish that they
could have been more aggressive with something like this, like
because I do think they're easier in just the ones
they pursued.
Speaker 9 (27:01):
But where we.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Are Alberberer joining us here on Fox Sports Radio on
the subject of the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Why do they operate like this?
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Why are they always waiting so long until the last
minute to get a deal done knowing that it's going
to cost them more from people you've talked to, Why
did they operate under these conditions?
Speaker 9 (27:23):
You know, I think I think, I think would you
say it was that last.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Part I lost just why do they operate underneath the
under these conditions and and and do business this way?
Speaker 10 (27:33):
Yeah, I mean I think it's like, if you want
the skeptical view, the skeptical view is that owners like
to keep their money and their investments for as long
as possible. And so that's why maybe some teams would
rather do a deal with you in August than in March,
you know, and that the longer they can wait to
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have that might come out of their pocket, the better.
But if I'm not being skeptical now it which you know,
you always have to have some skeptics in with this stuff.
I would just say, like, you know, when you're saying
things early in the process, like well, we got to
find a way to fit everybody, and you know, really
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like it's sort of self serving, and then you make
the player away like it puts you in a really
tough position. And you know, I again, like I don't
know if there's the cowboys drawing hard lines with guys
early on. I think there's some cases that we would
rather wait the extra year so we have some certainty.
Speaker 9 (28:39):
I just like I think that there are certain ones.
Speaker 10 (28:41):
That are obvious, you know what I mean, Like I
think with see Lamb, it was obvious like that he
was trending towards a blockbuster deal, and like that it
was smart for them to get done a year early,
and they didn't do it, and it cost them a
lot of money. I think when the quarterback generally answered
no question that you have the answer to, this is
(29:03):
another one now Again, like I don't know, things have
always been perfect with Mike uh and certain people in
that building. But he's a great, great player, and like
I do, think it's incumbent on you to make that
decision early, as early as you can so you can
get the guy under contract for a little bit less
and bolt of them with the with an extra previous year,
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which knocks down the average and makes it easier to manage.
That's what the Eagles have done. It's one way the
Eagles have been able to build the roster they've been
able to build, and for one Raiser or out of
the Cowboy, she has been unwilling to build that way.
Speaker 5 (29:40):
Speaking about easy answers, Abe, your your rep sets should
be pretty easy to structure. Doesn't sound like that in Cleveland.
And I'm curious to Joe Flacco coming out and saying
he doesn't know why or what his rep are going
(30:00):
to be or why they're so low, but he trusts
the FANSKI. My question to that would be, what does
that represent for Flacco? Does that mean he's got one
foot out the door there? They may be thinking about
not going with him. I know it would be easy
to say he's the he's the veteran. They brought him
back because they know they can win with him. That's
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the easy answer, AB But I mean what isn't easy
about this is you have four quarterbacks and you really
have to figure out what.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
You're going to do.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
And I'll add this based upon all of the at
tension and all of the highlights and the fan fair
surrounding Shador Sanders, I think he complicates it even more
because your most popular player at the position is a
fifth round draft pick rookie.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
Yeah, it's sort of interesting too, because I think it's
you know, I mean, I have they made some sort
of quiet promise to Joe. I don't know, if you're
Joe and fighting for the job you do on those reps. Now,
I did talk to him a couple of weeks ago,
and you know, he said to me, like, I'm comfortable
with the fact that they know who I am, they
know what I can do, and like that might mean
(31:12):
that I get a little less work right now. And
if he's so comfortable with that, it does make me
wonder like has they given him some sort of assurance
At the very least, I would say it almost feels like,
I guess he's got like a first round by into
the quarter in the quarterback co petishes.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know what I mean, he's the one seed.
Speaker 10 (31:35):
Yeah, like he's got the first round by and now
those guys are competing for summer reps and he'll be
there when they get to the second round of training camp.
That sort of feel that way, though, doesn't it Like
I I don't know, I mean like I think, you know,
like they do know what they have. He has played
in the offense. It is a little different, but like, you know,
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if he's so willing to step aside and let these
guys the word, well, then I do think to some degree,
like he's got to feel comfortable with where he's at
in the competition. And you know, it'll be really fascinating
to see what Kevin is saying on day one up
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training camp because of where this thing has gone and
you know, I think the fact that it's probably in
the levarc and speaks is better than me. But I
think it's probably impractical to have four quarterbacks in a
completely open competition, all on level ground at the beginning
at the end of July.
Speaker 9 (32:35):
It's just too much to do. There are too few refs.
Speaker 10 (32:38):
There's you know, like ten other guys in the huddle
up to get ready for the season.
Speaker 9 (32:43):
And I do think.
Speaker 10 (32:44):
It's Kevin like has sort of hinted at that. It's
not flat out said it like where you know, he's
say like like everyone's being evaluated right now, and sometimes
coaches won't say that in the spring, like that the
competition is already underway. But it does feel like the
competition already underway. And like I said, maybe Joe does
have that first round five.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
He is Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter, lead content strategists
at the MMQB. You can get him on x at
Albert Breer, also Amazon, NFL on Prime Insider as well too.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
AB.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
We always appreciate it. Thanks so much, enjoyed the weekend.
We'll do it again next Thursday.
Speaker 9 (33:20):
Thanks guys, I'm great with you.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
There is Albert Breer with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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Speaker 8 (34:48):
Please might smell a little fun. That sounds incredible, but
they're still good. Time to find out what's lack? Who's leftovers?
Justin Cooper, what do we got?
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Hey?
Speaker 11 (35:01):
All right, you guys, so uh you know, like I
think it was a couple of weeks ago Joe Flacco
said that he's he's not a mentor, but apparently doesn't
like mentoring. Well, I have learned that Joe Flacco also
does not like TikTok.
Speaker 12 (35:16):
TikTok dances. The fact that people that is different to
this generation. The fact that people want to get on
their phones and show people the most Like that's embarrassing.
You're an adult, like being an adult. Like it's just
like I I can't wrap my head around that, and
like I get it. Like you have kids, and like
you want to like you want to like have fun
with your kids, like well, like have fun.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
With your kids in private.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
You know that's what. I'm not guarded. I don't think
I'm guarded at all. I think honestly, if you talk
to me in person, I'll tell you a lot. I'll
be pretty honest with you. But like, yeah, on social media,
no chance, no.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Chance, just part of me.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
There's there's a piece of me.
Speaker 12 (35:49):
At times they were like, ah, should I be this
guy that kind of like does this a little bit?
Like cause that I feel like in order to have
a good social media you do want to be honest
and like show what you do in your life. But
it's it's like that's a job.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
That Lvar, you're a TikTok guy? How does that land
with you? Jonah? I didn't set it close to home
or not for you.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
I mean I do I GA like I do I
G you know, I do Facebook stuff like that, but dang,
like you're gonna put me on.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Have you ever seen somebody do a TikTok video in person?
It's the most uncomfortable thing you ever watched.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's so awkward. Oh my god, It's like you look
at him going, do you behave like that?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
What is the costco.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
Doing?
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It's so weird.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
It's so weird man, that this whole like culture of
joking and pranking and doing it's starting to get bad
too because people getting like, you know, killed off of
them Like I was joking. I was joking, yeah, but
I wasn't the malfunction malfunction Yeah. So I don't know, man,
(37:17):
I don't really get off into all them.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
I believe in media.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
I believe in you know, being able to grow your
brand and stuff like that. I get it, you know
what I mean, And I enjoy it and I'm a
part of it, but just to a capacity that you know,
for me, it just falls within reason of who I
am and what I represent.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
So for what we do, we have to do. Social media,
I mean, it is what it is. It's a necessary evil,
and if you want to call it that, that's fine.
But there are certain people that have social media.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
That shouldn't have it, no at all. I have it.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
You're not funny, you're not entertaining, and the stuff you
post sucks, and for some reason they just keep churning
it out.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
But I kind of feeled out about people making kids too, like, yeah,
the people shouldn't even be able to make kids. Your
decisions just seem to be like it's gonna it's gonna
land poorly with with a chow. Why would why would
they give you the opportunity to actually make one like you?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
By the way, happy father say to you, Happy Father's Day.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Up? What else we got, Coop?
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I'm just saying, go ahead, Coop?
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, good, by the way, Coop.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Don't you have any recommendations from a from an entertainment
standpoint that could be out there?
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Is there anything to watch? Because it feels like there's
two there's so much stuff online. I do have a recommendation. Actually, yeah, okay.
Speaker 11 (38:42):
I have been watching a new show on Netflix called
Department Q and it is a British detective series and
it's it's really good so far what I've watched of it.
I don't know if you ever watched us Low Horses
on Apple TV plus No?
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Is that the that was so slow?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
They missed three hours of a show?
Speaker 11 (39:08):
Yap. Yes, that is the Gary old That is the
Gary Oldman show.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (39:17):
And that show is fantastic, man, and I would kind
of compare it to this one on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
Department kew that.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I'm telling you, man, Gary Oldman, he's one of my favorites. Yeah,
one of my favorite actors. He's awesome. That guy was
was he Churchhill? Was that the uh? Winston?
Speaker 1 (39:33):
That guy was Winston Churchill in one movie? And the
pimp from True Remote Romance?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
In an out there? You talk about range? I love
Gary Oldman had Dracula? Was he in Dracula too?
Speaker 11 (39:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Was Jonas and Dracula?
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yap?
Speaker 9 (39:54):
Hard right?
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Have my Harrington? Damn?
Speaker 11 (39:58):
Did you guys know that the World Series of Pokers
going on right now?
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Come on, Coop?
Speaker 5 (40:02):
Yeah, come on, come about a Coop? How do you
feel about that?
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Well?
Speaker 11 (40:06):
I am flying out there this Friday, just for the
weekend so I can play in a couple of tournaments,
and then later this month I'll be flying out there
and staying for nine nights.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Well you have a gambling public.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, but I think in your best finish at the
World Series of Poker was what again, Coop?
Speaker 11 (40:23):
Well, I mean there's different events, but in the tag
team event, my wife and I we finished in like
one hundred and thirty second place out of like out
of like twelve hundred or something like that.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
Yeah, a really good at tag team. And I'm hau Coop.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
You know, my May, my May, Coop.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
I appreciate you, Bro,
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