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June 18, 2025 40 mins

The Old P, Petros Papadakis paints a picture from Shohei Ohtani’s return to the mound, how painful the College Football offseason has become to cover and how the WNBA disrespects Caitlin Clark. Plus, Josh Allen’s defense of the tush-push, Lee’s Leftover and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(01:00):
still for a Wednesday tradition here on the show, the
one and only Petros Papadakis, the co host of the
Petros and Money Show. You can hear on the blow
Torch and five seventy l a sports Fox college football analysts.
You can get him on X at the old p
Petros Wednesday morning to you, sir pop, good morning. Hello,

(01:24):
by the way, a happy belated birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
I hope you birthday, my guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I hope you got got my text I sent you
on your birthday night. Oh, I wasn't sure if you
didn't reply, So I wasn't sure if you were upset.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
About any day? Been on his friends list?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Man, do you texted me?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I did you texted me?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
Damn?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Jodahs doesn't answer people's text or calls away from here either.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Sid it's true radio, Yes, yeah, since you ever?

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah here back, it's unfortunate. Thanks, by the way, I
can't great, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
How'd you celebrate?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
So I don't want to talk about it?

Speaker 1 (02:10):
What's what? Why do you want to talk about it?
What happened?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's just.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
I do AM radio and my birthday brings too much attention.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh all right, well hey, that's a good reason for me.
I mean, I'll leave it alone. Yeah, that's fine, all right,
I know though that Just tell me, just tell me
right now, act like you didn't tell me you know
about what your birthday how do you celebrate that's it?
How you celebrate it? What'd you do? But if you
don't get into it.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Saturday I had lunch with my parents. Sunday I went
to a Father's Day party at a friend's house, and
Monday I had to go to.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
The Dodger gate nice Speaking of the Dodgers, why did
the uh po the head two?

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Part?

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Was it became way too much?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, because of the Otani thing, like we didn't know,
you know, and we were doing the show from there,
and it ended up being great because it was a
big day for the Dodgers. But I've never seen Dodger
Stadium ever like that, ever, not for a World Series game,
not for o Tani Bobblehead Night. I guess so Tani
Bobblehead Night. You know, people get there early to get

(03:21):
the bobblehead. Or now they figured that they can't do
their normal cutoff of whatever it is, twenty five thousand bobbleheads.
They have to give every single person that walks in
there a bobblehead or there's going to be a war
in the streets because people line up early in the morning.
If not, so that's kind of a thing. But I've
never seen Dodger Stadium where everybody is in their seat

(03:45):
ready to go for first pitch because it's so hard
to get in there. It's such a process. But until
everybody knew that he was only going to pitch, you know,
one inning, maybe two turned out to be only one,
and the whole place was so anticipatory. It was very interesting.
The other thing was they they they don't play the

(04:10):
organ or anything like between pitches when he's pitching, Like,
I guess he doesn't like it. Oh, so it's just
like dead silent, dead silent, like like golf while people
were waiting for the next pitch. It was. It was
a very interesting dynamic. And you know what his walk
up song is? Uh oh no, it's no big deal.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Oh, I would say, what's the guy? What what is
that song called?

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, god, I forget his name.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Gundam style yeah style.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Yeah. Well that guy's Korea, I guess.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, I wasn't trying to match him up. I
just thought that that might be the song that he liked.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Side that guy, I remember there's a there's a there's
a video of that Korean guy. Because back then the
Dodgers had uh a horrible that's horrible. It's okay. The
Dodgers had a Korean pit picture and they had that
guy sigh and he was very popular, and they had

(05:18):
that guy sigh dancing around at Dodger Stadium and Tommy
Lasorda was still alive. And there's a great picture of
Lesorda just like staring at that guy dancing around and
no there the song showing a tony song is a
Feeling Good, which is really old song.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
It's from nineteen sixty.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah, huh good, yeah, really yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
And the funny thing is is, like, I mean, that's
Michael Boublay. He was a relatively contemporary jazz singer, a
Canadian idiot.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
But good song.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
It's a great song and it's old. It's from the sixties.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
To walk out to, Yeah, I don't know, man, the
soul and not only not only is that his walkout
when he when he kids, you know, when he pitches.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
They played the whole thing, you know, so they were
banging that. But that's an old song from a musical.
I would encourage others to listen to the Nina Simone
version of it.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
That's a wonderful version of it, by the way, and
that's brushed.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
That's probably the first jazz version of it. I mean
before that, it was like so many jazz standards. It
was in a musical called Smell of the Crowd.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Nina Simone has huh, well, Nina.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Simon is an interesting story.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Nina Simone, a tall woman, was a piano player, very famous,
well not famous, but very skilled jazz pianist at the time.
And she was on tour and she went somewhere and
the guy's like whatever. The promoter or the booker was like, hey,
where is the where's there? Yeah, where's the singer. And

(07:07):
they were like, well, we don't sing and we don't
have a singer. She just plays the piano. And they
were like, if you don't have a singer, yelling and paid.
So she started singing and she became you know what
she is today, Nina Simone, one of the great jazz
voices of all time and a very unique voice.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
She's gone now right, Oh yeah, she's been dead for
she's gone.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
She shot. She shot a child, her neighbor.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
She's too loud.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, she shot very good, LeVar she shot.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I liked them feel like I know a few things
like you, not as much as.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
You, but I'm not. It's not a competition, no, but
she shot me. You know, most people don't care about
playing off of you though. Yeah, most people don't care
about you know, dead jazz artists from decades and decades ago.
But she shot a neighbor's child in France because the
kid wouldn't shut up. And the funny thing was in France,
they were like, yeah, it's Nina Simone. It was a

(08:01):
low caliber pistol, you know. Uh, but she was a
volatile lady. The first song she sang was a very
famous called I Loves You, Poorgy from Porgy and Bess,
which is a very famous one of the very first
operas American written operas, at least that we remember, by
George and Ira Gershwin. So Nita Simone with.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
The Baltimore but that's my favorite verse.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Oh yes, that's a good one.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Y we wrote. That's a Randy Newman I think wrote
that song or somebody very yes, somebody weird that you
wouldn't think of. I knew the guy that wrote I
Will Survive mmm, and.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
He was a little old. You think it would be
like a big fat black lady, right.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
You know, big old right?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
What an old juicy one right, like first, you know, a.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Huge bah the right I will survive was actually an
old Greek guy with a big gray afro named Dino Ficaris.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well it makes sense these days.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
He also wrote Reunited and it feels so good. Oh wow,
that makes sense these days once again. So so the
Greek so Otani was doing the warm up pitching and
they were playing the.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
And then everybody got pumped up when.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
Everybody had a real bone dignity.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Hey, why do they why do the padres have such
a red ass? Is it because they're they peaked and
now they're starting to uh come all the way back down,
so they're throwing at Otani and well, you know, uh.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
You get like after like a big event like that
that only lasts like five minutes, you know, kind of
like watching one hundred meter final in the Olympics. Yeah,
there is a little bit of a letdown, like, oh, okay,
we're still playing baseball. You know, when's he going to
pitch again? Well maybe an inning in a week, so okay,
so you got to come on to the next thing.
And the next thing is a nice well they call

(10:15):
it a bean ball war, but it's not really a
bean ball unless somebody throws it at the other guy's head.
That's what bean balls are. And people have been nailed
in the ribs or in the middle of the back.
And they threw it out on Tawny's leg. That was interesting,
and then Dave Roberts went out there, so that made
it compelling. Yeah, Dodgers padres is a great modern day rivalry.

(10:37):
It's not what the Dodgers Giants is. It doesn't have
the great history of that. And the Giants are playing well,
and they just traded for that guy from the Red
Sox Devers, and he's going to be good for them,
so that's kind of interesting. The Giants are sort of
popping up Buster Posey's doing making moves. But the Dodgers
padres is a thing, and it's fun to want Manny

(11:00):
Machado and Tatis and these guys go at it with
the Dodgers. But the Dodgers, i think, have won four
of the last five, so they have their number a
little bit. So maybe that's why they have a red ass.
But it makes it interesting. I mean, we're talking about
baseball here in the middle of June, and normally that's
kind of a spin your wheels time for the sport

(11:21):
and their stuff happening in La. Shoe El Tani's pitching,
that's a big deal. So it's something to embrace this
time of year and not as much have to lament
usc status like I.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Usually do, which is interesting. I guess a segue from
that is and obviously this isn't the seemingly which is
crazy to think that we're not in a very very
fast time for sports, even though you know, we got
game what Game six coming up tomorrow with the NBA Finals,

(11:56):
and to have these conversations the the Stanley Cup just
wrapped up, to have these conversations surrounding baseball at this
time of the year with the championship rounds of other
sports going on, Like and if to be in La
where you're you're locally covering these things at you know,

(12:18):
such a close eye, how does that like does it
feel different like from year to year? Petro's like, like,
this time last year, is it different from where we're
at right now?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Today? Is like more excitement. I think that's a good question.
But what's happened over the years is and we had
a little bit of this conversation, I think a couple
of weeks ago or last week, and I've repeated a
couple of the points that you guys made to people
talking about them.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
In season.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
You're hoping, if you're a sports league, right, you're hoping
that you remain relevant throughout. You know, something happened, somebody
scores a bunch of points, somebody hits a bunch of
home runs. You know, there's something something to talk about.
But part of the art of these sports leagues or
whatever is keeping themselves relevant a year round on the calendar.

(13:15):
Colin Cowherd had Jim Harbaugh on yesterday, and Jim Harbaugh
was at the Dodger game and he asked him about
shoe Heyotani and he's talking. You know, it's the most
animated he got in the whole interview, talking for two
three minutes about how impressed he was with shoe Heotani.
The NFL has become masterful and handling their off season,

(13:39):
the draft, all of these different things, the Aaron Rodgers drama.
Seemingly there's always always something to talk about. And you
can be so stupid like ESPN and even put up
a chirron that says, what's Dak Prescott's legacy? Right now?
You know, I mean they're having these conversations in June

(14:00):
when guys are running around with no pads and helmets
on for like two or three days. I remember basketball
did a much better job for a long time. Remember
when they're following Kawhi Leonard around Canada and a helicopter.
Remember when DeAndre Jordan was dating Doc Rivers' daughter so
he could become, you know, stay with the Clippers.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
You know, you remember they had the emojis, like different
players are posting emojis on Twitter trying to land de
Andre Jordan and Mark Cuban went after Christisard afterwards.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
It's great Geeter McGee's doing videos about Andre Drummond like
he's gonna somehow make a difference for the Lakers, you know.
I mean the off season things become a deal. And
look at baseball. When the Dodger signed no Tani, it
was like a Japanese party. And then they signed Yamamoto,

(14:54):
Japanese party. They signed Roki Sasaki, Japanese off season party.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
By the way, I remember being on the air when
Gordon I remember being on the air when Gordon Hayward
signed with the Celtics and some guy from Utah called
in and said he was driving across the state line
to go buy booze because he was so depressed about
Gordon Hayward.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Those are the good old days.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, but you know, like it's something to do in
the off season. And I think we did you make
this point. I mean, college football's offseason sucks. Oh, college
football's offseason has become like the worst thing ever. It's
become something so unsavory that nobody even wants to deal with.
You know, the transfer portal makes people sick, the NIL

(15:38):
makes people sick. All the different confusing conference changes and
everybody's suing each other.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Every commissioner's campaigning for their conference to get more automatic quality.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
And every commissioner and the SEC's campaigning to leave the NCAA,
which is inevitable. I mean, you know, it's just not
as fun as DeAndre Dordon Jordan and Doc River's daughter.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
It's a fair point.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Like I'd almost rather listen to Steve Kerr and Popovich
bitch about politics. And I don't want to hear those guys, like,
you know, I mean, you guys are basketball coaching, Like
what's going on? Like seriously, why do you have to
do that? Like it's like a press conference, like you're
sitting in the White House, like give an oppresser.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
So what do you think about this new policy change.
We'll let me tell you. Thanks, Steve Kerr.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
So you know, I mean it is interesting how how
damaging our off season is becoming college football. I don't
really think it effects when the game start. I think
people get really excited like all of us and want
to see what happens. And when the teams put are
put together, then that's it. It should be it and
we should play.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
But they've got to figure out a better offseason because
everybody else has it figured out way better than we do,
even punk ass NBA.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Well we have is Lebron's podcast you know this time
of year, So wait for him to say something stupid
and then you know we we have to make twenty
minutes out of it. He's coming back, Well his podcast
came back the other day.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Is he coming back?

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Oh? I don't care as long as he says something
on this podcast stupid and we can make fun of
him for ten minutes. Steve Nash yesterday, the low energy
podcaster Steve Nash out of the South Bay by way
of Canada, Lebron said the A all be all like
A and B like the letters in the alphabet, as

(17:38):
opposed to the end all be all, you know, because
he's trying to sound smart, uh and I got him
like ten minutes out of that time. Hey, I even
say it like Andre Nicotina, A y'all, B y'all f
around with a y'all all up in my knees.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
All must have been crazy, y'all.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
That's really good. That's that's like a really fire bar
right there, bro.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Thank you Nicotina Ao for yo.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
Hey, what was the name of the woman you mentioned
earlier that shot that kid? The tall woman who was
Na Simone? Anina Simone? Speaking of tall women, what do
you make of the treatment of Caitlin Clark by the
WNBA and the rough housing that is going on?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Can I admit a guilty pleasure? Yes?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
You like it?

Speaker 4 (18:29):
I watch Caitlin Clark highlights, hey, like when the.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Fever's over, Like when the game's over and I see
the fever have played, you know, because it pops up
somewhere Caitlin Clark hits eight point shot, you know, or
something like that. I go back on YouTube. I mean
there's a they do an incredible job on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah they do.

Speaker 4 (18:51):
You know, those things are up ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
The people that cut highlights, they're up ten, fifteen, twenty
minutes after the game is over. Sometimes Quicker and I
watched the highlights. And last night I watched the highlights
of her game. I was like, where's the whole fighting?
They only cut out that. They cut out all the
good parts. They only showed people making shots. Uh, so
I had to go back and look at that as well.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
They didn't show any of the rough housing.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Well I found it. Oh yeah, but I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
They call the three white chicks that play for the
Indiana Fever trace Lea Chase.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
Did you guys know that?

Speaker 2 (19:26):
I know, they look like they're pretty good looking girls.
Somebody did mention that girls tough.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
One of them from Stanford and one from Miszoo Chips Sophie. Yeah,
she's from Missoo. The other one is from Stanford Hall
or something, and then the other one is is Caitlyn Clark.
And they all are pretty white, you know. I mean,
Kaitlyn Park's really white, like she never left the gym,
like you could tell that she's translucently white.

Speaker 4 (19:57):
And uh and they call them the trace Lache.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
That's interesting.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
The one thing I really am impressed with Caitlin Clark,
I think when I watch you know, I'm no, I'm
not you know, Naysmith or anything, but I watch a
lot of basketball and we do sports, is just I mean,
the way she sees she sees the floor and the
way she distributes the ball is really the wildest thing

(20:21):
in the world, which makes her so hard to deal
with because you try to double team her because you
know she's going to try to get that shot off
and she finds people like, you know, it looks too easy,
and it's pretty amazing. I love watching her, and it's
I mean, I hate to be such a bandwagon guy
because it's not like I was like, oh my god,

(20:43):
I want to watch this Iron Scoo tape, you know,
or I wasn't watching you know, Sue Brn or I mean,
I came from usc where Cheryl Miller is a legend,
and yeah, I watch a little Juju I guess before
her leg fell off in the and that was tough
to watch. But yeah, I watch her. I'm I'm on

(21:04):
the hype train, you know, and I have been for
a couple of years. I've been watching her highlights since
maybe her senior year at Iowa or her junior year,
and I just I love to watch her compete. She's great,
she really is. I wish I could say something.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Snarky, can I can I ask this.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
To you?

Speaker 2 (21:23):
You say you watch that hot, because that's exactly you
kind of said it exactly the same way I said it.
Am I off. I know Jordan didn't shoot like like
Caitlyn Clark shoots because it just wasn't the necessity back then.
But everybody tries to make the comp of Angel Reese
and Caitlyn Clark and put them together and say that's

(21:44):
the comp is bird Magic and Caitlyn and Angel Reese.
I think the comp from what I'm seeing and how
she's getting banged up but still trying to figure it out,
still producing her points and still adjusting in a acting
is to Jordan. And I know it might sound crazy,
but when you really think about it, when did you

(22:06):
have a player that hit met the caliber of what
Michael Jordan was to the NBA when he got there.
And what has that been post Jordan? Right?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yeah, there's nobody, There's been nobody. Way, Yeah, there's been
nobody where you're just like this person is, you know,
six feet above sea level and everybody else is under
the water, all right, you know, and in the sports pantheon.
I mean it reminds me of Usaint Molt you know,
running one hundred and two. I mean he's winning, Yeah,

(22:39):
he's wincorns. Yeah he's winning. But he's also fifteen or
ten meters faster in one hundred meter race than the
other ten fastest guys on.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Earth, which is crazy.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's stupid, Like you're not supposed to be that much
better than everybody else. Those guys are hauling ass. I mean,
it's not like he's out there running against the West
Torrance uh sprinting team. No, no offense to the Warrior.
Uh So that's kind of what it like. That's like
I saw something Dominique. Well we are talking. It's so

(23:14):
crazy that Michael Jordan played so long ago, uh comparatively
to how much stuff like most stuff we mentioned from
Michael Jordan's era to anybody that's not you know, your
age or or around there, they don't know it. You know,
they don't know don't know what the gobots are. You know,
they got no love from mask. You know, they don't

(23:39):
understand the real characters of G I. Joe, like Zartan. Yeah,
come ye, commander Baby. Yeah, they can tell you what
happened between Jordan and the bad boys.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
Right, are you talking to mask Eric Stoltz?

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Are you talking?

Speaker 3 (23:52):
No, I'm not talking mask Eric Stoltz, the modern day
Ellen fant Man. I'm talking the toy Mask anyway, exactly.
No one remembered with Jim Carrey. No, No, like that
was that was like that was a cartoon called Mask,
and it was like this giant mechanical mask and a
sweet car would go around it and the dude would

(24:12):
kick ass and the mask. See.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I think that that was misleading though, because I know,
but that's.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
What I'm saying. It makes my point that people don't
remember anything from that era.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
There was the kid in the movie that ended up, like,
you know, passing away at the end of the movie.
That share was the mom like there's that.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
He looked like Brian Scalabrini or boiler alert. Yeah, he
did look like scalabrin Yeah, reaction. I don't care about
spoiler alerts.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
So you go, you go, you know what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
You know, if you're gonna. I mean, it's a thirty
year old movie. If you're gonna say the guy.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
That big hitted boy dies at the end, is what
it is he did and he did he gone so
the elephant anyway, Yeah, that was a really sad movie.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Man, Yes, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
So what I was saying is super said movie man.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Like Michael Jordan's the only thing any of us, anybody
remembers from that era.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
We don't remember a lot of the stuff.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
And it's because Jackson had the elephant man's bones.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
He did.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, Dan used a couple.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
The elephant man's name. I believe Joseph Merrick or John Merrick.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Anyway, it is important to understand that Michael Jordan is
so transcendent that no one ever says anything else about
anybody else from any other era. I remember Dominique Wilkins
saying the other day, like people don't understand what it

(25:40):
was like competing against that guy, Like we were great,
but his eyes were red. He was crazy, you know.
And uh, And I think that's what you know. I mean,
I think you're right. You're looking at somebody who's who's
must watch television every time she's playing basketball for basket
all types, and I think Kaylan Clark, I think that

(26:02):
would be the comparison, you know, much like me to
some other stiff white running back.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
I would compare Petros. It's always fun. We appreciate it,
thanks for doing it, and we will have this conversation
again next Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Here, I hope you and shout out to Isabel at
the group home and woke up early out at Annah.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, at the old pon ch is where you can
find them. Always a fun ride here with Petros Papadegas,
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Cup of Joe here on FSR. Coming up next, though,
LaVar and I are going to tell you about how
somebody in the NFL, despite support from their own team,
is pushing back against something in the NFL that is

(26:45):
yours right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1 (27:02):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio
LaVar Arrington, Jonas Knox with you here coming up about
twelve minutes from now. We're going to close up shop
on this Wednesday morning with another edition of Lee's Leftovers.
That'll be yours here on FSR LaVar Arrington. One of
the big topics of conversation in the NFL this offseason
was the tush push. The tush push and whether or

(27:26):
not it was going to be gone, they were going
to ban it, We're going to make it stay legal again, Like,
how are they going to handle this old tush push conversation? Well,
Josh Allen, somebody very successful at said tush push play,
spoke about his feelings on the rule. Let's take a listen.

Speaker 8 (27:43):
You know, if you can use it to your benefit, great,
And again I'm a firm believer in you know, there's
even in practice, right if the defense doesn't want us
dancing and having a good time, don't let us in
the end zone. So find a way to stop it.
And that's that's kind of my mindset. And there are
teams that do a better job of stopping it. There
are teams that don't do as good as his job
is stopping just like any other concept in the game plan.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Now he is speaking on behalf of himself when his
organization tried to speak for him because his organization voted
to ban the tush push. But Josh Allen's like, hey, listen, man,
if you don't like it, you're going to have to
stop it. You got to figure out a way to
stop it. And for me, now that the conversation about

(28:26):
the tush push being banned is gone at least for
this year, shouldn't the discussion now be all right, how
are we going to figure this out? Defensively? How are
we going to figure this out? It's here for at
least a year until they try and ban it again.
So now the conversation becomes, are we just going to
let these guys run all over us? Or is somebody
going to step up and figure out a way to

(28:47):
adapt and try and try and make some sort of
an impact on the play or are they just going
to continue to get run over?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Bro, you're not walking into the meeting room and your
scouting report. That's the first, second, maybe even the third
play in your scouting report. It's not so people have
to understand and keep it in a proper perspective. You're
talking about a short yardage play, and if that short

(29:17):
yardage play works, what you got to focus in on
is making sure that they don't get to a point
where they can use that play in a short yardage situation.
So the defense of coordinators are most likely looking at
the film. The guys are breaking down the film that

(29:37):
work for the organization, you know, the you know, the assistance,
the the I guess what are they called. I forget
what they're called, but they're in scouting. I guess whatever
it is. I don't know. Video coordinators there you go,
all right, they're doing the cut ups of the film.
And as you're breaking down the opponents that you're going

(29:59):
to have for the twenty five twenty six season, you're
breaking down formations, You're breaking down personnel groupings, you're breaking
down what those represent on down in distance, what quarter
it happens in, you know, what's the score. There's a
lot of situational things that you plan and you prepare for,

(30:23):
and short yardage is one of them. It's not the
tush push. It's not we are on the scouting report
you have you know, a sudden change of possession tush
push Like that's not how it that's not what this is.
It's almost like it's almost like the tush push has

(30:44):
been turned into the boogeyman, right, Like it's not that
big count how many times the Tousch push happens in
the game. Right, the game is not being determined by
the Toush push. So I get I kind of get

(31:05):
to the point of where it's like, man, people have
gotten so carried away and and there's there's this crazy
obsession with this play. And I mean it made it
made Kelsey famous. Like all right now they're talking about
he's saying he surely has CTE. And you know, the
first thing everybody's going to say, of course, he was

(31:28):
the spare of the the tush push. He he's the godfather.
He will go down in history.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
At his induction, they will talk about he was the
godfather of the Toush push. Like that's great, and and
it's there are moments in time. You know, you got
different plays, the flea flicker, you know, the Indo and
around the Statue of Liberty, you know, the fumble Roosky,

(31:56):
like you have different plays, and that's fine, but let's
not get carried away. This is still about preparing to
play a football game that one play is going to
happen once in a while during a game. I'm curious

(32:19):
in all the plays that the Philadelphia Eagles run. If
you're only preparing for the touch push against the Eagles,
you're in trouble. You're gonna find yourself in a bad way.
Because there's a guy by the name of Sakwon Barkley
that's in the backfield.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
There's a guy by the name of aj Brown that's
on the outside. There's a guy by the name of
Devonte Smith that's on the outside. There's a guy by
the name of Jalen Hurts that is the quarterback of
the team. You are going to find yourself in a
world of trouble if you believe that stopping the touch
push is the key to overcoming what's going to going

(33:00):
on with the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
By the way, I grocked this all right, So I
looked up which team has been the most successful in
stopping the tush push, and this actually lends credence to
what you're just saying. It says that the team with
the most success in stopping the tush push was the
Jacksonville Jaguars in Week nine of the twenty twenty four
season because the Jaguars stopped the Eagles tush push on

(33:25):
two two point conversion attempts a rare feet that's also,
by the way, that's also the same game where Saquon
Barkley leapt backwards over some guy and got on the
cover of Madden, right, So like the Jaguars, they're like,
we got to stop this play, and some guy got
shown his ass and is now on the cover of

(33:47):
Madden because Saquon Barkley made him a poster by missing
a tackle and going underneath his legs and became a
highlight for the rest of eternity. That'll be out everybody's
high nobody's thinking at all about the fact that the
Jaguars in the same game stop the two point converse,
stop the toush push twice.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
Nobody is two point conversions. So you're saying, during the
course of the game, the only time they had to
stop the toush push were on extra points. It's like
they not the touchdowns, not two gold line stances that
they got a touchdown, but the two point conversions. I'm

(34:28):
just saying, let's not get carried away, man, That's all
I'm saying. It's a play like the dangers of it
are called in the question. They're not banning it yet.
It's going to be here for another season. You're not
going to be watching on Sunday and be like, yep,
let me get my popcorn?

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Did you y'all barbecue? Did we cook ribs? We got
some grilled chicken?

Speaker 4 (34:50):
All right?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Wonderful? What some spin dips? Some glizzies wonderful? Okay, let's
get all settled in some lazed potato chips. Perfect. Let's
get ready for the toush push, y'all, like, it's not happening.
Let's relax, can we please? It's over. The vote has
gone through. They're gonna have the touch push. It's time

(35:13):
to move on from the touch push people. It's time, Yeah,
promise you, it's time.

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Speaker 4 (35:40):
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Speaker 2 (35:58):
Let's make this one quick.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
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Speaker 7 (36:32):
These might smell.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
A little fun.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
What is that?

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Sounds incredible, but they're still good.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Time to find out what's Lap's? Lee's lap? All right?

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Dullap? What do we got?

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Man?

Speaker 9 (36:43):
I just got hooked up by a listener slash Lorena's friend.

Speaker 10 (36:47):
Who met with some socks.

Speaker 9 (36:50):
I know I'm at that age now where I get
excited about getting sucks.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Some sauce socks. Yeah, soile Ryan is starting the thirst
trapping results around to you. Huh. The groupie trays, I'll
take it.

Speaker 10 (37:05):
Never falls off the truck.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah, some socks.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, so great about what's so great about these socks?

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, they're free, They're free, and.

Speaker 11 (37:15):
There's an abundance of that. There's probably twenty four pairs
of socks right there.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Somebody, somebody set you socks.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Wow, what a loser.

Speaker 10 (37:24):
I love getting socksh my.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
God, give.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
That is a loser. And by the way, super creepy
whoever you are brou socks.

Speaker 10 (37:34):
I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Let me tell you something about it. If I ever
got my wife socks, I would I would then follow
up with, can I can understand if you have an affair.
Now I can understand I'm a loser. That's a loser.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
If you ever got your wife socks and you told
me you got your wife socks, I would tell you
to turn around, bend your head down to the floor,
and I would slap your neck. Well, yeah, you'd get
at least three lashes of the neck.

Speaker 10 (37:58):
I'm very thankful. There's a there was one year where
I was socks.

Speaker 9 (38:02):
Yeah, there was like one of those stories that like
has a bunch of crappy socks and uh, you know.

Speaker 10 (38:08):
A bunch of goofy stuff on the socks.

Speaker 9 (38:10):
It's good if you're looking for a lot of two
gifts for a lot of people at once.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
You have one compression some song right now, a therapeutic
sock for the gout.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah no, no, but but that serves a purpose.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I don't need a bunch of goofy stuff on my socks.

Speaker 11 (38:26):
You know who had a hole in his sock when
he took off his shoe lead the lat he did
so he needed it?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Had a hole in your song?

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I did.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I didn't even know how long was his fingernailor his toenail?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Was it long?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Like the toenails and dumb and dumber, because there's that's
probably a reason why there is a hole in the sock,
and it's it's a sharp toenail.

Speaker 10 (38:48):
I clipped my nails yesterday.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah you did.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
By the way, you guys do.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Uh sanded them down. It's kind of true.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
I'm not trying to make this a racial thing.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I put for black socks.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
I have some, and what racist is not me?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I'm all black. Yeah that makes a top bar, Yeah
of top whatever, dude, what else?

Speaker 9 (39:10):
Lee Lrenna was just asking me for some uh some places,
some advice for places things to do in Vegas. She's
looking for a show. She was looking for a burlesque show.
I had said Circa Sola first, but you know there's a.

Speaker 10 (39:22):
Go does humanity looking to.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Just start there? Do your bur lutch?

Speaker 3 (39:30):
So right there?

Speaker 2 (39:33):
You know what? Are you going to Vegas?

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I leave tomorrow afterwards? Yes, Okay? Can I guarantee this?
Lee's dropping you off, isn't he?

Speaker 2 (39:45):
I'm I'm happy, happy to Lee's probably going to Vegas.
Lee just happens to be popping up in Vegas this weekend.

Speaker 10 (39:55):
I'll look at like, yeah, I'll stop by after Friday.
I gotta I gotta show on Friday.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I feel like this is a repeat performance. Would you
like to come, Lee? Sure, I'll look for some flights
like you got booked flights the same day.

Speaker 10 (40:09):
I'll drive out. It's all fun.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeahs oh my god, bring up my gosh,
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