July 10, 2025 • 40 mins
Mass confusion in the NFC. Albert Breer joins the guys from vacation. Plus, Lee’s Leftovers, Jonas’s son hitting bombs, cap guns from the ice cream truck and much more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
Sports Radio. LeVar Jonas Knox with you another edition of
Black and Drack here on a Thursday morning, taking you
all the way up until the end of this hour
nine am Eastern Time, six o'clock Pacific. Out the frame,
sop Man fyther Way, can I tell you something. My
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son's a bit of an a hole. So he's four
years old and we play baseball literally every day. He's obsessed.
All he wants to do all day long is play baseball.
He wakes up, he gets into full uniform every single day,
and then we go out, we play ball, and then
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we get back.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
He rests for a little while and then he just.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Wants to feel ground balls in the house, and then
my wife gets pissed because he knocks stuff off the
shelves or the ball goes side with like, it's just
you know, he's obsessed. But you know, he's four years old.
So when I pitch to him, I'm pitching underhand, like
I'm not you know, I'm just tossing him the ball
so he can hit it so he can get his
swings in. And then yesterday we get back and he goes,
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you're not a very good pitcher. I'm like, oh, yeah,
why is that? He goes, I hit bombs off you right,
I'm like bombs, Like what am I supposed to do?
Throw him splitters, like go off speed like I'm serving it.
I'm like, well, you know that's not very nice, budd.
He goes, yeah, I'm better than you. I'm like, okay,
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so now today, yeah, oh yeah, he's getting it on.
Give it to him full arsenal, give it to him, sladders, snipers, sinkers,
I'll throw them, a circle change, I'll throw I'm gonna
brush him back at least two three times.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, hitting one time? Yeah him, let.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Him get uncomfortable. I'm like dude like like me, like
this is batting practice, all right, This is like the
home run derby, which is gonna be on Monday, Like
this is I'm serving these up to you so you
can perform at a high level. And then he throws
me under the bus afterwards and calls me out for it,
So now he's gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Good for Drew for that, Yeah, bad for you for
thinking that he can handle your your heat. And uh,
let's see how it all plays out. Like you were
giving in the underhand he was, he was knocking bombs off.
You gotta do this though. Here. You you gotta find
the healthy balance between the reality of him needing to
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get better and understanding the process and the gassing him
up and making him think and believe that he's the
greatest of all time. You have to find the balance
of it. And I tend to lean towards going towards
gassing them up into believing that they're the greatest of
all time, because I feel like if you make them believers,
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I ultimately believe that the mind is such a powerful
tool that you will ultimately become what it is that
you believe you're going to become. So gass him up.
But you got to knock him down sometimes though, so
that he understands the reality of saying you're the best, Like,
you're not even better than me right now, So you
got to keep working. Serves as a tool to make
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them continue to work harder so that they can be better.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, I'm definitely going to gass them up and make
him feel good about things. Right after he catches ninety
five in the rib there you go, right after.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That, Well, then then he's going to cry, he's going
to get the bruise. He's going to remember that moment
because that experience will represent a vulnerable moment for him.
And and and then it's like a pivotal moment, like
and then that's where you come in and you got
to be the dad. And then you be like, you
know it hurt, didn't it. You know you gotta be
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like the rafiki. You know, it's like, but it's in
the past, Like, but it still hurts. Yeah, it still hurts,
but it's in the past, but you can make things better.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I'll tell them, like, listen, I know that that hurt,
but it doesn't hurt worse than having three layers of
sun block on only to be told that you suck
at baseball afterwards because you're trying to help your kid out.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That's what it sounds like. A youth thing right there.
Sounds like you made it about you, you know, that's
what it sounds.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, Well, one's going to get away from me today
and then we're going to find out who sucks at baseball.
That's what I That's what I think is gonna happen.
By the way, everybody, it is Jonas Knox here at
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the home Depot pro. It's about time. So I was
thinking about this because we were talking earlier in the
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show about Michael Pennix Junior telling Michael Vick that the success,
the mark for success for the Atlanta Falcons this year
is to go to the playoffs. And then you look
at that division you go, well, you know they've probably
been to the playoffs pretty recently. No, no, absolutely not.
It's been twenty seventeen since the Falcons have been to
the postseason. And I was thinking about this with the
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season coming up. I have no idea who I think
is going to win the NFC, because you could go
chalk and you could just say Philly, which would be
a safe bet. But if I don't want to go Chalk,
who else is there? Like I almost was talking myself
into the Cowboys again, and I thought, no, that's not
going to happen. Like it's the Cowboys and there's no
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way that's going to happen. But you start looking around
the NFC and you go, all right, so who are
the real contenders? You would think, Well, Detroit, you know,
maybe they could take a next step. Lost both their coordinators.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
That's a major question.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And no team in NFL history has lost both coordinators
and gone to the Super Bowl the next year. You
start looking at Minnesota question mark with JJ McCarthy. The Packers,
Uh not not.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I mean you can have positive, you know, positive feedback
on that, you can you can feel good that they'll
be competitive this year. That'd be in the mix.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean you would think, you would think, and then
you start looking around. You go the Niners. But it's like, well,
question if we believe the Niners window closed last year
and now they're having to pay Rock Party, which they
weren't having to do before. Is this a bounce back
even though they've got a really favorable schedule and I'm
looking around going question marks, Maybe it's the Rams, Like, yes,
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that would be if that would be one to go with,
if you're not going to go chalk with Philly. Maybe
the Rams are the team that you look at and
go super Bowl pedigree come back. You know they've they've drafted, well,
DeVonta Adams is there, They've added pieces. Maybe the Rams
are a team you look at and go, all right,
that's the team that's going to be representing the NFC.
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If not, shock you, if you don't want to go
boring and go Philly. I'm struggling to find who I
buy into.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
In the NFC this year. Again, I think the NFC East,
I'm going to continue to say it, the NFC East
is going to be crazy this year. You're going to
have potentially for really good teams, for competitive teams. I
think the New York Giants are going to take a
definitive step forward. They're going to be better. I think
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Dallas is going to take a definitive step forward. They're
going to be better. I think the Eagles will continue
to be the Eagles. I look at this Washington Commander's
team and I think that they should be viewed as
the one A or you know, one one B to
the Eagles being the one A. And that's because I
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saw a team continue to improve. If you think about it,
the only real drop off you saw in play with
the Commanders last year is when he sustained the rib injuries.
When jayde and Daniels sustained the rib injury, that was
when things got a little weird. So as long as
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jaydeon Daniels is healthy, his understanding of the game is
so far ahead right now. His learning curve was so
small and he closed it down very quickly as a rookie.
It would be I think it would be a safe
bet to think that he's going to even be head
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and shoulders better than what he was his rookie season.
And listen, I look at the Commanders. I think that
the Commanders, and I think that the NFC East because
for some strange reason, I think Rusk Gott I think
he's at Magic and him maybe one more time, and
I really I'm really putting the pressure on the defense
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to be what they need to be and and them
being able to get things done offensively with Russell Wilson.
If that doesn't work out, then you can put a
put a fork in in the New York Giants and
thinking they're a dark horse. But there's another team, and
they're on the television right now. There's another team out
there that you got to say there's a possibility that
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they can improve to a level where they're competitive. Now again,
I think Detroit is vulnerable in the North because they
don't have their Their coordinators will have to see if
they're still the same team. Without that, you lose the
successful offensive coordinator to that dark horse team in the
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same division, which is Ben Johnson to the Chicago Bears.
You're you know, people have been been hard on on
Caleb Williams about his finger nail paint and not liking
girls but like being focused on football. But in reality,
he's been a leader, he's been a stand up guy.
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He's delivered, he's delivered stats.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Can you add a little bit more context to that
story because I didn't see so that was a report
that apparently he would not go out with girls because
he was too focused on football or something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I mean, and you know, so what good for him?
People be shaming these cats like that man was focused
on his career. You want to make it into a thing.
Jayde Daniels is always with his mom. They want to
make it into a thing. You're talking about two of
the more successful players stable, Like, you don't hear about
about them having crashouts. You don't hear nothing about either
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one of them other than fingernail polished and not being
interested in girls because of his career. Like, so, what
good for them? But anyway, back to what I was saying,
because of that focus that he has on being a really,
really good football player, there's the strong possibility that the
Chicago Bears could be a team to contend with this year.
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You know, a couple things go the right way last year,
they probably have a better year, people feel a lot
better about them. But I think that this could be
a year, especially with Ben Johnson and hearing the things
that you know, Caleb had to say about being a
rookie and some of the things that he had to
deal with, and they're not being a real structure or
real approach to what his learning curve was going to be.
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It sounded like he was having to figure that stuff
out on his own. And if he figured it out
on his own to the capacity and the degree that
he did last season, that's pretty commendable.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The problem is it's the Bears, and the Bears much
like the Jets and some of these other bottom feeders
and dysfunctional organizations in the NFL. They're the type of
person that they would win the lottery and accidentally wipe
their ass with the ticket.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
You've heard it so many see that right there, that
little staying right there, that's a one under there. You
just you've seen it so many times, drafted, so many
players done, And but that goes to the overall point
of the NFC feels wide open.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Give me your top three one two three, give me
your one two right now, one two three right three
teams in the NFC I trust the most one two
three in the order. Philly, Yep, the Rams, Okay, you
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gotta do it. Go ahead, I'm going to flip flop them.
But go ahead, I'll take Philly the Ram. Your your
heart wants you to say Chicago, but you shouldn't be
fighting Chicago, like they could be a factor, but they're
not going to be a top three.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I'm torn between Detroit and San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Eh Like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Torn, like because look, the talent is still there for
the Lions, but I can't help but wonder, Look, you
lost an NFC title game you probably should have won,
and then last year in the playoffs they were annihilated
by Washington. I mean that game really wasn't close, and
they could have won it. They could have won it.
They were in position to win it out. I don't point,
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I don't I don't think. I think that game was
over by halftime. They looked shook, and but San Francisco's
got that favorable schedule and they've they've got a lot
of talent. So I feel Philly the Rams, and then
it's either Detroit or San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Lockank Tang tang would it? Who's your top three? Well,
undoubtedly Philadelphia number one. Until they are not number one,
you gotta put the Commander second. Because to me, the
Commanders had a really, really strong year. Like I said,
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the only slow up they had was when when Jade
Daniels got that injury. I think they'll be a better
team this year than what they were last year. I
thought that they had a pretty solid off season and
then my third team is clearly I believe it's the
Rams sticks Backs. And so with that being said, I mean,
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you got two NFC East teams that I would say
are going to be one and two. And then again
the showing that the Rams had, I'm just going off
of what I saw last what you've done for me lately.
That was a team that could have beat the Eagles.
The Commanders seemingly could have beat the Eagles, but it
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didn't seem as though they looked as good against the
Eagles as the Rams did. And that could change this year.
I think that maybe the you know, you had a
first year head coach, you had a lot of things
up in the air in Washington. I just think that
there's going to be more stability, there's going to be
more familiarity, there's going to be more continuity, and they
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get an opportunity to show that it wasn't a one
year situation, that this is a team that actually can
be good in the foreseeable future. I think that that's
where the Commanders are because again, I think everybody involved
in the organization understands what's at stake because of everything
that's taking place there. And then you look at that
that Rams team. They flew under the radar. They have
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this young, young core group of guys on the defense.
They're going to get better, so you see them being
very competitive. The NFC West is not to me. I
don't think that the San Francisco forty nine ers are
going to be this crazy world beating team. I do
think that their window has closed. And if it has
closed and they're not as good as they're they're supposed
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to be, I would say the biggest threat in the
West two this this this La RAMS team would be
the Arizona Cardinals. They're they're a dark horse team that
could give teams problems if you're not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
The AFC just feels so much easier to try and forecasts,
like you know, going into it all right, Kansas City
is going to be legit, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cincinnati. You would
assume like you would assume with the talent they've got there.
It just there's a lot more knowns than unknowns in
the a f C. Give us your one through three
in the AFC, YEP, Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Easy, one two three, that's what you're doing? One two
three actually locks BAM.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
One two three. In the AFC, I will go Baltimore, yeap,
Kansas City, Buffalo knocks.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I'm gonna flip flop two and three. I'm gonna go Baltimore, Buffalo,
Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But it sticks pretty easy, right, You don't have to think,
Like the NFC just feels like everything's white and the
AFC you kind of know who the teams are.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
But the interesting thing is is that the wind blows
how hardest at the top of the flag pole. So
there could be a fourth, fifth team that ends up
going all the way because of all of the bullets
that they got to absorb at the top of the
total poles. Cincinnati, it could be Cincinnati. It could Yeah,
it just could be Cincinnati. There's a lot of but
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there's a lot of teams out there that it could be. Right, Like,
I'm curious to see how good the La LA Chargers
are going to be this year. There's something about a
hardball lad team and going into the second year of
his tenured there, that's a team to watch. That's a
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team to watch for this year because he's now gotten
his running backs room in and play, he's got his
offensive line built up, He's got his defense built up.
It's going to be interesting to see because he is
going to run the ball, but he has a dynamic
passer in Herbert, and it'll be interesting to see if
Herbert can take that next step, and I think he
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can under harball.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
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Speaker 1 (19:38):
Two pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, you jot U Knox with you here. Coming
up about twenty minutes from now, we are going to
have ourselves another edition of Lee's Leftovers that will be
yours here on FSR right now, though this is a
Thursday tradition. Here on the show me the one and
Only Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on Prime Inside, Senior NFL reporter,
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lead content strategist at the MMQB. Get him on x
at Albert Breer AB, Good morning. How are we feeling?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Hey, guys, what's going on you?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So it feels like it's been a really rough week
for the NFLPA, is what it feels like?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
This latest?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Now, all of a sudden, you know, they're filing an appeal,
which they probably should have done in January, but because
Pablo Torri got ahold of the transcripts. It made everybody
look bad. And now the stuff about Lloyd Howell that's
coming out to where he's a consultant for an firm
that invests in the end, it just, yeah, this this
feels like a really really bad look for the NFLPA,
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almost as if they've been in on this thing the
entire time. And I just wonder what the reaction is
from players around the league.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing is, you know,
it's the question I think that just came up. You know,
paying attention to the poison ruling, we all should have
been right, like, but I know a lot of people work,
but you know, like.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
The first thing that kind of came to mind was like.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Why, Like when I saw it it was good reporting
by Pablo Torre and my florio was why is the
NFLPA trying to cover any of this up? Like this
is what they've been trying to expose forever, you know,
and you go back over to Morris is Smith. It
is Morris Smith, you know, fifteen years I think it
was in charge, and really like throughout that time, it
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was how do we prove that they're doing this?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
And then all of a sudden, the story that comes
out that has them like completely covering it up.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
And made no sense, you know, So you know then
like kind of kicking things around afterwards. The week after
I kind of I had heard some stuff about like
what how might not be on solid brown when I
started to ask that question, like why would boy and
How want to be wh Why would why would Loyd
How be a part of covering this up? And so now,
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you know, I think there's definitely that question within the
union of are we going to have new leadership? Is
there going to be a shake up within that place?
You know? And I think one of the main things
that that's that's interesting that I that that that I've
sort of observed is you know, the reason they brought
to brought him in in the first place, right like
because he had this business background, and you know, he
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was a little bit different than hiring a lawyer, which
is what they did fifteen years ago. You know, they
they're bringing in a guy to kind of.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Set an organizational culture in the office there and and
get the house in order and and and I mean,
I don't know how anybody could argue that that. So
it's a big deal and it's going to get bigger
and I I don't I don't think. I think that
the trains off the station on this and you know,
I don't think there's much going back. And I think
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as far as players, they actually get to your original question,
they don't it. You know, I think they're ins and
file fighters, probably the side of Elon Royal that.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You just lay to distraction. And yeah, I mean there's
a lot of people who are asking you a question
whether or not there's gonna be new leadership film.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Maybe and if they're the whole idea of leading up
to getting new leadership this, I mean, it seems as
though this exposes something super super critical to the conversation
that maybe didn't exist formally. What is the potential fallout
of it? Like, in other words, what's the rules of
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engagement for the players now? I mean you're seeing more
and more saying I'm not taking the contract unless it
is a fully guaranteed contract. How How what's the rules
of the of engagement as it applies, you know, to
the agents and the players now in terms of how
they engage their contract their contract negotiations.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I mean, I think everything says well and it wait
and see what happens. With the union. I mean, it
does take a while. There's a process they have to
go through to electing new leadership, and that process was
ongoing for a while when they were looking at how
they replaced A Morris Smith. So you know, like I
think that piece of it, you know, for the players
and the agents, you know, you're keeping an eye on
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what's going on. Certainly it's kind affects what's happening with
you going forward.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I know you're saying that, like, well, wait a minute,
like in two years they were gonna.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Be different rules. Should we wait to do contracts? I
just think or right now?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Ab right, like look at the rookie and Cincinnati, like
he's not going to sign it unless he gets the
guarantees that he wants.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
The interesting thing too about that, LeVar, is that these
guys have leverage now too, and that like you know,
I mean like when you were coming out of college,
you were, you know, waiting to make your first to
get your first day paycheck, right like, and so you
know what those kids come out of college, you know
before the way it was in college now on the
way to dollege now and it was like just give
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me to my contact.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
So I can a feature of.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
My family and buying a car, and you have money
from me to the younger guck have some comonger viders.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So we're going to uh, we're actually gonna try and
reconnect with Albert. He's having some spotty, uh spotty reception there,
so hopefully we can get that figured out. But yeah,
it's look, the NFLPA looks awful in this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
They look terrible. I mean, whether you can totally understand
it and comprehend it or not, you definitely it doesn't
sound the optics of it just doesn't sound right now.
It doesn't paint the NFL into a great a great
picture either. But for what it's worth, the NFL represents
the employer. And yeah, you kind of always knew that
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about the NFL, so so you don't you don't have
to expect the NFL to be heavy heavy on being
on the player side, but and they should be more
favorable towards getting exactly what they want. That's why it's
so crazy to think that when you look at an
NBA union or a baseball union, or you know, some
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of these unions in these other sports, they are so
pro and so heavy skewed towards the side of representation
of of the athlete, that that's they get what they want,
you know, So is this to me? I just I
just feel like it's such a slippery slope that the
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NFLPA is on now because they're getting put on blasts
for things that they should be more sturdy, more more
bold on on representation of the athlete. What what is
their their purpose If they're not overlya like, egregiously trying
to take care of the the best interests of the player,
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it doesn't make sense if they're not.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Albert Breer is back with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Maybe it almost feels like the NFLPA has been in
on this the entire time. Like that's what it feels
like to me. Like now like now that you peel
back the curtain, you go, oh, so wait, you conspired
to hire this stuff, to hide this stuff from us.
It's just I don't know how they get back into
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the good graces of players or you know, the public
court of public opinion.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah, it's the whole thing is definitely bizarre. And I'm
sorry for the phone issue. I will say, I'm on vacation.
I'm not at home. So this is not one of
the old cool Albert Brier phone issues.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
All good, All good.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
If you hear gun chests in the background, that's a
cap gun that my my son bought at the toy story. Yes,
say so, there's nothing crazy happening. Yeah, old cool cap gun.
So so yeah, I like, I think you're right, Like
I think you know that you're an NFL player right now.
(27:50):
You're looking at this and you're saying okay. So we
see very clear coordination. At the very least, never use
no exclusion coordination between the owners on guaranteeing contract. If
quarterbacks contacts can't be guaranteed, no one else's contract is
going to be guaranteed. So if they're conspiring and succeeding
and conspiring to not guarantee quarterback contracts, none of us
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are going to be guarantee contact. That's something that we've
been working forward forever. That's something that the union has
been working forwards forever. So now if the NFLPA it's
complicit in covering up that they were conspiring to keep
us from getting guaranteed contact, he sort of feels like
everybody's against you, doesn't it. Yeah, you know, like so
(28:34):
I just think I think that piece of it it's
going to be interesting. I heard something called Lloyd Hall
the Mansurian Candidate, which is an interesting way to to explain,
you know, what he has been for the owner. So
it does seem like he's been a lot less combative
towards the NFL, a lot less combative in his language
(28:55):
and how he directed the the owners than d Smith
was over his fifteen years. Certainly gotten my attention. So
that piece of it to me, like, if you're a player,
you want answers, and you want answers now, and you know,
I think forever the players haven't had a ton of
agency just because I mean the great majority of players
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only make it two or three years in the league,
and and those guys are the rank and file. That's
the highest percentage of players in the league. And that
got that percentage of players. You know, they need to
take their money with when they can get it, because
it's going to go it can go away fast, you know.
So can you organize those guys to get somebody in
(29:38):
if what hell isn't that guy who is truly going
to look out for their best interest and it's he
who is going to see a big pixer, you know,
I think for all his faults, I think the Smith
did have that feeling of, you know, he's got the
best interest to the players in mind, and his job
coming out of like the I think what people will
consider a cozy Royce get the Clint Gene ups on
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Paul Tagli who all those years ago, he at the
very least was willing to fight and he was willing
to pick up the sword. And you know, you do
certainly wonder if players missed having a guy who had
that sort of approach to the job and that was
it because he.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Was a former player. I mean, I think that plays
a major part in all of this. Like you, I
think it should be led by players because they understand
the best interest that I mean, guys are competent enough,
they're they're able to do that.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
We have guys, we have guys too that I think
we're in those rooms, you know, back in twenty eleven
that I think would be capable of doing it. You know,
do you Apollo Jeff Saturday because there's Dominie talk sports, would
you want to do it? You know, like there are
guys that were intimately involved to Kendall with somebody who
I know you played against for a lot of years, right, LaVar,
(30:50):
I think you might have played with him too.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Right, But.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, who are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
There are a ton of guys that I think had
a lot of experience in doing it where it's like,
I just think, like, after all of this, it's like,
is there somebody that we can trust? Is there somebody
that we know is going to have our best interests
in mind? I think you're probably right, LeVar, And that
like in when when when when the greater group of players, Right,
(31:18):
when the two thousand players are in a position where
they don't feel like they can trust people like that's
going to become a very important piece of the equation
in selecting the next leader. Again, if this stuff goes
the way that it looks like it might go, and
I would agree with you that that that a player
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is going to probably trust the former player more than
you will a businessman or a lawyer. And that's sure.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You got to protect the best interest in these situations,
and and and and you look at again, I'll just
look no further than the NBA who represents that when
when all those things were getting done, all those deals
were getting done, like you saw Patrick, you and all
of the faces of the league walking in and doing
their deals. They were negotiating their deals and they were
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it was player heavy and player friendly, you know, bargaining
and results that were in the collective bargain agreement between
the NBA owners and the players. I don't understand why
it has to be so complicated for football. It should
be the same exact thing, same as that.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Well and hey, hey, look like I think, like in eleven,
I would say there were a lot of players who
did do an awfully good job of leading, you know,
and again I mentioned some of them, just Saturday donor
Crian Waters, Pete Kendall, Like, there were a lot of
guys that were in those rooms that were there day
to day. Mike Rabile was one of them. In fact,
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you know, like so there were a lot of guys
that were in those rooms on a day to day
basis that got a lot of great experience doing it
and leading in those situations that I think would be
capable of doing it that are older retired players. Now,
you know, I mean, I I like, I don't know,
you know, obviously Fox for us, Fox wanted to stick
that to me because he he I think, like, like
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he was so young when when he was putt in
a position of leadership, they clearly saw something in him.
And I think he's somebody's that at one point at
least maybe aspired to the job. Now again, I don't
know what his appetite is for now. He's a great guy.
He's doing is he's doing great with his media stuff
and everything else. So maybe he doesn't want to do it,
But if he did, I think he'd be somebody that
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would be fine and center for me as somebody I
want to talk to.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, Albert Preer, we appreciate it as always enjoy the
rest of your vacation. How much does a cap gun
go for these days? An old school cap gun?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
What do we take?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Twenty? But then my care for me, it was only
nine ninety nine, So I get like, I mean, what
would have been that? I mean, if I haven't gotten
slowed back in the day, it would have been like
two bucks, right.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Like, yeah, like two bucks ninety nine, said a cap gun?
You was going to spend your money money on the
on the ammunition, the little rid dip that you put
in the back.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Of the cold.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Dang, those are sweet. Nine dollars. Yeah, I guess so
vintage is back. You remember when penny candy used to
cost a penny? Yeah, go figure.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Remember when the dollar tree used to be a dollar
for everything? Albert, we appreciated. Also, enjoy your time. We'll
do it again next week. It is Alpha Career with
us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon, NFL on Prime
Insight or Senior NFL Reporter, Lead Content and content strategist
at the m m QB.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Those cap guns were sweet.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Back in the day. You load up about the cold.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I had the little red little dip with the little
in the back.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, and then the hammer hit it and then it
had the the orange dot in the front so people
knew it was a tour.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, you want to mess around.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
We used to color them yeah yeah, oh yeah with
a sharpie, make it look like the real deal.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
There you go. Yeah, gotta be care but I mean
I had the Pea shooter, though I didn't have the
black one. I had the Pea shooter like the silver
colt with the white handle. Oh yeah. Used to try
to like, you know, twirl them.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I had a belt holder too. I had I had
a gun. I had a gun holder. You really, Yeah,
I did so. I was destined to shoot up televisions
with you at some point. Maybe we should get cap
guns so people, we should, actually we should.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Uh it is uh, it is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next,
We're going to close up shop on this Thursday morning
with another edition of Lee's Leftovers right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
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Speaker 1 (35:59):
Two Pros a Cup of Joe, Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington,
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Speaker 2 (36:33):
These might smell.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
A little fun.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Care how that sounds incredible, but they're still good time
to find out what's left. It's Lee's left jobs.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
The laugh?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
What do we got?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Shout out to Jade. Do you know what she sent me.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
The other day?
Speaker 6 (36:47):
What it's Bluetooth? My lost shaker of salt. Got myself
a Sultz salt shaka.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Shuck it like a salt sucker.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
She embraces my love for Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Thank you, Jade.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Big out to Jada, So you like sponge cake, Jimmy
Buffett salt chaka, heard.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Mama, Jade, sugar like a salt sugar.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
When's the last time you put salt on your food
at home? I literally don't remember.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
The last time I sat me and I seasoned my food.
I salted my eggs is like two days ago.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Really, yeah, us on the plate on the plate, Yeah,
Like I don't. I don't, Yeah, I don't. I'll do
it while I'm cooking, But if I'm not cooking it,
if I'm like serving, like grabbing it up to eat,
I never had salt.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Like.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I can remember going to restaurants as a kid and
I would put salt on my fries.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Fries.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, I haven't done that since probably I was a
kid because it's too salty.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, your taste, Budge.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Changed salt on my tortilla chips. Really a little extra.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Some people do that. It's too much for me, man. Yeah.
Some people like putting nice sea salt on their cookies. Yes,
like cooking on that cook today. Get my beer salt,
tear that cookie out the front.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, that's one of the damn that's one of the
more loser purchases I've ever seen. Walking down and when
we were in Vegas for the Draft a couple of
years ago, and Lee stops off at some like little
like liquor store, decides.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Well, you stopped there and I joined you in there.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Well, yeah, I stopped to get a stop to get
a tall cane. Set the story, set the record straightly,
because I'm a sucker for beers in ice chests. I
don't know why, just and they had a whole ice
chest full of beers.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You just go and grab it. I'm like, sweet, I'll
get this.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
There's like three bucks. I go to that one every time,
and Lee gets a Lee gets a what do they
call like?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
It was a beer.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I'd never seen a michilada one before.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
It's a little portable thing that you can use and
you just pour it in your beer when you want
to add a little flavor to.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
It if you have, you know, a nasty beer, which
happens from time to time. If you want a cheap
beer and you want to spice it up a little bit,
maybe a little PBR with some meat, you a lotta huh.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Okay, hey man.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Well you get your Chucko taco from the ice cream truck.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You're literally the only person in the history of Las
Vegas that bought that.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Ever. Wrong, You're wrong, man.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
People would rather spend money on hookers than spend my
beer Vegas.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Wow, okay, but sorry, I only got beer salt. Well,
if you were looking for a deal, yesterday was Prime Day.
I don't know if it reached.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Out to today.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Have you guys ever gotten anything on Prime Day? I
got a roombo once.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I don't shop a what a rumba? What is that?
Speaker 6 (39:42):
It's one of those little fake uh it cleans your
floor for you.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's a little machine. The robot that on the ground,
the robot vacuum.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, you that lazy.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I mean sometimes you like, I've got a dog, and
we get dog here everywhere, so to have one, I'm
actually get one pretty soon, have a.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I just you know, I just had my dog killed.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Like I'm a thank Why do I thank? That's a
very very low note to the end show off.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm just saying you got options.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Nah, I'm not gonna kill off mister Stakes.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Well, I'm gonna go see Crypto today, Crypto the Dog, Superman.
I'll give you a review tomorrow for Superman and Crypto.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
All right, I'm gonna go see my eyelids. I'll tell
y'all how that was tomorrow. Crush the cookies.
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Speaker 1 (00:37):
Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Here on Fox
Sports Radio. LeVar Jonas Knox with you another edition of
Black and Drack here on a Thursday morning, taking you
all the way up until the end of this hour
nine am Eastern Time, six o'clock Pacific. Out the frame,
sop Man fyther Way, can I tell you something. My
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son's a bit of an a hole. So he's four
years old and we play baseball literally every day. He's obsessed.
All he wants to do all day long is play baseball.
He wakes up, he gets into full uniform every single day,
and then we go out, we play ball, and then
(01:24):
we get back.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
He rests for a little while and then he just.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Wants to feel ground balls in the house, and then
my wife gets pissed because he knocks stuff off the
shelves or the ball goes side with like, it's just
you know, he's obsessed. But you know, he's four years old.
So when I pitch to him, I'm pitching underhand, like
I'm not you know, I'm just tossing him the ball
so he can hit it so he can get his
swings in. And then yesterday we get back and he goes,
(01:48):
you're not a very good pitcher. I'm like, oh, yeah,
why is that? He goes, I hit bombs off you right,
I'm like bombs, Like what am I supposed to do?
Throw him splitters, like go off speed like I'm serving it.
I'm like, well, you know that's not very nice, budd.
He goes, yeah, I'm better than you. I'm like, okay,
(02:10):
so now today, yeah, oh yeah, he's getting it on.
Give it to him full arsenal, give it to him, sladders, snipers, sinkers,
I'll throw them, a circle change, I'll throw I'm gonna
brush him back at least two three times.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, hitting one time? Yeah him, let.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Him get uncomfortable. I'm like dude like like me, like
this is batting practice, all right, This is like the
home run derby, which is gonna be on Monday, Like
this is I'm serving these up to you so you
can perform at a high level. And then he throws
me under the bus afterwards and calls me out for it,
So now he's gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Good for Drew for that, Yeah, bad for you for
thinking that he can handle your your heat. And uh,
let's see how it all plays out. Like you were
giving in the underhand he was, he was knocking bombs off.
You gotta do this though. Here. You you gotta find
the healthy balance between the reality of him needing to
(03:06):
get better and understanding the process and the gassing him
up and making him think and believe that he's the
greatest of all time. You have to find the balance
of it. And I tend to lean towards going towards
gassing them up into believing that they're the greatest of
all time, because I feel like if you make them believers,
(03:28):
I ultimately believe that the mind is such a powerful
tool that you will ultimately become what it is that
you believe you're going to become. So gass him up.
But you got to knock him down sometimes though, so
that he understands the reality of saying you're the best, Like,
you're not even better than me right now, So you
got to keep working. Serves as a tool to make
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them continue to work harder so that they can be better.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, I'm definitely going to gass them up and make
him feel good about things. Right after he catches ninety
five in the rib there you go, right after.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
That, Well, then then he's going to cry, he's going
to get the bruise. He's going to remember that moment
because that experience will represent a vulnerable moment for him.
And and and then it's like a pivotal moment, like
and then that's where you come in and you got
to be the dad. And then you be like, you
know it hurt, didn't it. You know you gotta be
(04:20):
like the rafiki. You know, it's like, but it's in
the past, Like, but it still hurts. Yeah, it still hurts,
but it's in the past, but you can make things better.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, I'll tell them, like, listen, I know that that hurt,
but it doesn't hurt worse than having three layers of
sun block on only to be told that you suck
at baseball afterwards because you're trying to help your kid out.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
That's what it sounds like. A youth thing right there.
Sounds like you made it about you, you know, that's
what it sounds.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, Well, one's going to get away from me today
and then we're going to find out who sucks at baseball.
That's what I That's what I think is gonna happen.
By the way, everybody, it is Jonas Knox here at
the Home Depot. It is about time for pros to
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we can do for you at the pro desk to
the home Depot pro. It's about time. So I was
thinking about this because we were talking earlier in the
(05:11):
show about Michael Pennix Junior telling Michael Vick that the success,
the mark for success for the Atlanta Falcons this year
is to go to the playoffs. And then you look
at that division you go, well, you know they've probably
been to the playoffs pretty recently. No, no, absolutely not.
It's been twenty seventeen since the Falcons have been to
the postseason. And I was thinking about this with the
(05:33):
season coming up. I have no idea who I think
is going to win the NFC, because you could go
chalk and you could just say Philly, which would be
a safe bet. But if I don't want to go Chalk,
who else is there? Like I almost was talking myself
into the Cowboys again, and I thought, no, that's not
going to happen. Like it's the Cowboys and there's no
(05:55):
way that's going to happen. But you start looking around
the NFC and you go, all right, so who are
the real contenders? You would think, Well, Detroit, you know,
maybe they could take a next step. Lost both their coordinators.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
That's a major question.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And no team in NFL history has lost both coordinators
and gone to the Super Bowl the next year. You
start looking at Minnesota question mark with JJ McCarthy. The Packers,
Uh not not.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I mean you can have positive, you know, positive feedback
on that, you can you can feel good that they'll
be competitive this year. That'd be in the mix.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I mean you would think, you would think, and then
you start looking around. You go the Niners. But it's like, well,
question if we believe the Niners window closed last year
and now they're having to pay Rock Party, which they
weren't having to do before. Is this a bounce back
even though they've got a really favorable schedule and I'm
looking around going question marks, Maybe it's the Rams, Like, yes,
(06:53):
that would be if that would be one to go with,
if you're not going to go chalk with Philly. Maybe
the Rams are the team that you look at and
go super Bowl pedigree come back. You know they've they've drafted, well,
DeVonta Adams is there, They've added pieces. Maybe the Rams
are a team you look at and go, all right,
that's the team that's going to be representing the NFC.
(07:15):
If not, shock you, if you don't want to go
boring and go Philly. I'm struggling to find who I
buy into.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
In the NFC this year. Again, I think the NFC East,
I'm going to continue to say it, the NFC East
is going to be crazy this year. You're going to
have potentially for really good teams, for competitive teams. I
think the New York Giants are going to take a
definitive step forward. They're going to be better. I think
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Dallas is going to take a definitive step forward. They're
going to be better. I think the Eagles will continue
to be the Eagles. I look at this Washington Commander's
team and I think that they should be viewed as
the one A or you know, one one B to
the Eagles being the one A. And that's because I
(08:04):
saw a team continue to improve. If you think about it,
the only real drop off you saw in play with
the Commanders last year is when he sustained the rib injuries.
When jayde and Daniels sustained the rib injury, that was
when things got a little weird. So as long as
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jaydeon Daniels is healthy, his understanding of the game is
so far ahead right now. His learning curve was so
small and he closed it down very quickly as a rookie.
It would be I think it would be a safe
bet to think that he's going to even be head
(08:47):
and shoulders better than what he was his rookie season.
And listen, I look at the Commanders. I think that
the Commanders, and I think that the NFC East because
for some strange reason, I think Rusk Gott I think
he's at Magic and him maybe one more time, and
I really I'm really putting the pressure on the defense
(09:08):
to be what they need to be and and them
being able to get things done offensively with Russell Wilson.
If that doesn't work out, then you can put a
put a fork in in the New York Giants and
thinking they're a dark horse. But there's another team, and
they're on the television right now. There's another team out
there that you got to say there's a possibility that
(09:28):
they can improve to a level where they're competitive. Now again,
I think Detroit is vulnerable in the North because they
don't have their Their coordinators will have to see if
they're still the same team. Without that, you lose the
successful offensive coordinator to that dark horse team in the
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same division, which is Ben Johnson to the Chicago Bears.
You're you know, people have been been hard on on
Caleb Williams about his finger nail paint and not liking
girls but like being focused on football. But in reality,
he's been a leader, he's been a stand up guy.
(10:10):
He's delivered, he's delivered stats.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Can you add a little bit more context to that
story because I didn't see so that was a report
that apparently he would not go out with girls because
he was too focused on football or something along those lines.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
I mean, and you know, so what good for him?
People be shaming these cats like that man was focused
on his career. You want to make it into a thing.
Jayde Daniels is always with his mom. They want to
make it into a thing. You're talking about two of
the more successful players stable, Like, you don't hear about
about them having crashouts. You don't hear nothing about either
(10:54):
one of them other than fingernail polished and not being
interested in girls because of his career. Like, so, what
good for them? But anyway, back to what I was saying,
because of that focus that he has on being a really,
really good football player, there's the strong possibility that the
Chicago Bears could be a team to contend with this year.
(11:17):
You know, a couple things go the right way last year,
they probably have a better year, people feel a lot
better about them. But I think that this could be
a year, especially with Ben Johnson and hearing the things
that you know, Caleb had to say about being a
rookie and some of the things that he had to
deal with, and they're not being a real structure or
real approach to what his learning curve was going to be.
(11:39):
It sounded like he was having to figure that stuff
out on his own. And if he figured it out
on his own to the capacity and the degree that
he did last season, that's pretty commendable.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
The problem is it's the Bears, and the Bears much
like the Jets and some of these other bottom feeders
and dysfunctional organizations in the NFL. They're the type of
person that they would win the lottery and accidentally wipe
their ass with the ticket.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
You've heard it so many see that right there, that
little staying right there, that's a one under there. You
just you've seen it so many times, drafted, so many
players done, And but that goes to the overall point
of the NFC feels wide open.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Give me your top three one two three, give me
your one two right now, one two three right three
teams in the NFC I trust the most one two
three in the order. Philly, Yep, the Rams, Okay, you
(12:48):
gotta do it. Go ahead, I'm going to flip flop them.
But go ahead, I'll take Philly the Ram. Your your
heart wants you to say Chicago, but you shouldn't be
fighting Chicago, like they could be a factor, but they're
not going to be a top three.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
I'm torn between Detroit and San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Eh Like, I'm.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Torn, like because look, the talent is still there for
the Lions, but I can't help but wonder, Look, you
lost an NFC title game you probably should have won,
and then last year in the playoffs they were annihilated
by Washington. I mean that game really wasn't close, and
they could have won it. They could have won it.
They were in position to win it out. I don't point,
(13:31):
I don't I don't think. I think that game was
over by halftime. They looked shook, and but San Francisco's
got that favorable schedule and they've they've got a lot
of talent. So I feel Philly the Rams, and then
it's either Detroit or San Francisco.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Lockank Tang tang would it? Who's your top three? Well,
undoubtedly Philadelphia number one. Until they are not number one,
you gotta put the Commander second. Because to me, the
Commanders had a really, really strong year. Like I said,
(14:10):
the only slow up they had was when when Jade
Daniels got that injury. I think they'll be a better
team this year than what they were last year. I
thought that they had a pretty solid off season and
then my third team is clearly I believe it's the
Rams sticks Backs. And so with that being said, I mean,
(14:33):
you got two NFC East teams that I would say
are going to be one and two. And then again
the showing that the Rams had, I'm just going off
of what I saw last what you've done for me lately.
That was a team that could have beat the Eagles.
The Commanders seemingly could have beat the Eagles, but it
(14:57):
didn't seem as though they looked as good against the
Eagles as the Rams did. And that could change this year.
I think that maybe the you know, you had a
first year head coach, you had a lot of things
up in the air in Washington. I just think that
there's going to be more stability, there's going to be
more familiarity, there's going to be more continuity, and they
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get an opportunity to show that it wasn't a one
year situation, that this is a team that actually can
be good in the foreseeable future. I think that that's
where the Commanders are because again, I think everybody involved
in the organization understands what's at stake because of everything
that's taking place there. And then you look at that
that Rams team. They flew under the radar. They have
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this young, young core group of guys on the defense.
They're going to get better, so you see them being
very competitive. The NFC West is not to me. I
don't think that the San Francisco forty nine ers are
going to be this crazy world beating team. I do
think that their window has closed. And if it has
closed and they're not as good as they're they're supposed
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to be, I would say the biggest threat in the
West two this this this La RAMS team would be
the Arizona Cardinals. They're they're a dark horse team that
could give teams problems if you're not paying attention.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
The AFC just feels so much easier to try and forecasts,
like you know, going into it all right, Kansas City
is going to be legit, Baltimore, Buffalo, Cincinnati. You would
assume like you would assume with the talent they've got there.
It just there's a lot more knowns than unknowns in
the a f C. Give us your one through three
in the AFC, YEP, Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Easy, one two three, that's what you're doing? One two
three actually locks BAM.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
One two three. In the AFC, I will go Baltimore, yeap,
Kansas City, Buffalo knocks.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
I'm gonna flip flop two and three. I'm gonna go Baltimore, Buffalo,
Kansas City.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But it sticks pretty easy, right, You don't have to think,
Like the NFC just feels like everything's white and the
AFC you kind of know who the teams are.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
But the interesting thing is is that the wind blows
how hardest at the top of the flag pole. So
there could be a fourth, fifth team that ends up
going all the way because of all of the bullets
that they got to absorb at the top of the
total poles. Cincinnati, it could be Cincinnati. It could Yeah,
it just could be Cincinnati. There's a lot of but
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there's a lot of teams out there that it could be. Right, Like,
I'm curious to see how good the La LA Chargers
are going to be this year. There's something about a
hardball lad team and going into the second year of
his tenured there, that's a team to watch. That's a
(18:05):
team to watch for this year because he's now gotten
his running backs room in and play, he's got his
offensive line built up, He's got his defense built up.
It's going to be interesting to see because he is
going to run the ball, but he has a dynamic
passer in Herbert, and it'll be interesting to see if
Herbert can take that next step, and I think he
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can under harball.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
It is Two Pros and a Cup of Joe here
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coming up next here though, we are going to find
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Speaker 2 (18:43):
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Speaker 3 (18:57):
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Speaker 1 (19:38):
Two pros and a cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
LeVar Arrington, you jot U Knox with you here. Coming
up about twenty minutes from now, we are going to
have ourselves another edition of Lee's Leftovers that will be
yours here on FSR right now, though this is a
Thursday tradition. Here on the show me the one and
Only Albert Breer, Amazon NFL on Prime Inside, Senior NFL reporter,
(20:01):
lead content strategist at the MMQB. Get him on x
at Albert Breer AB, Good morning. How are we feeling?
Speaker 4 (20:07):
Hey, guys, what's going on you?
Speaker 1 (20:09):
So it feels like it's been a really rough week
for the NFLPA, is what it feels like?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
This latest?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Now, all of a sudden, you know, they're filing an appeal,
which they probably should have done in January, but because
Pablo Torri got ahold of the transcripts. It made everybody
look bad. And now the stuff about Lloyd Howell that's
coming out to where he's a consultant for an firm
that invests in the end, it just, yeah, this this
feels like a really really bad look for the NFLPA,
(20:40):
almost as if they've been in on this thing the
entire time. And I just wonder what the reaction is
from players around the league.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think the first thing is, you know,
it's the question I think that just came up. You know,
paying attention to the poison ruling, we all should have
been right, like, but I know a lot of people work,
but you know, like.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
The first thing that kind of came to mind was like.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Why, Like when I saw it it was good reporting
by Pablo Torre and my florio was why is the
NFLPA trying to cover any of this up? Like this
is what they've been trying to expose forever, you know,
and you go back over to Morris is Smith. It
is Morris Smith, you know, fifteen years I think it
was in charge, and really like throughout that time, it
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was how do we prove that they're doing this?
Speaker 5 (21:31):
And then all of a sudden, the story that comes
out that has them like completely covering it up.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
And made no sense, you know, So you know then
like kind of kicking things around afterwards. The week after
I kind of I had heard some stuff about like
what how might not be on solid brown when I
started to ask that question, like why would boy and
How want to be wh Why would why would Loyd
How be a part of covering this up? And so now,
(21:58):
you know, I think there's definitely that question within the
union of are we going to have new leadership? Is
there going to be a shake up within that place?
You know? And I think one of the main things
that that's that's interesting that I that that that I've
sort of observed is you know, the reason they brought
to brought him in in the first place, right like
because he had this business background, and you know, he
(22:20):
was a little bit different than hiring a lawyer, which
is what they did fifteen years ago. You know, they
they're bringing in a guy to kind of.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Set an organizational culture in the office there and and
get the house in order and and and I mean,
I don't know how anybody could argue that that. So
it's a big deal and it's going to get bigger
and I I don't I don't think. I think that
the trains off the station on this and you know,
I don't think there's much going back. And I think
(22:49):
as far as players, they actually get to your original question,
they don't it. You know, I think they're ins and
file fighters, probably the side of Elon Royal that.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
You just lay to distraction. And yeah, I mean there's
a lot of people who are asking you a question
whether or not there's gonna be new leadership film.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Maybe and if they're the whole idea of leading up
to getting new leadership this, I mean, it seems as
though this exposes something super super critical to the conversation
that maybe didn't exist formally. What is the potential fallout
of it? Like, in other words, what's the rules of
(23:32):
engagement for the players now? I mean you're seeing more
and more saying I'm not taking the contract unless it
is a fully guaranteed contract. How How what's the rules
of the of engagement as it applies, you know, to
the agents and the players now in terms of how
they engage their contract their contract negotiations.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I mean, I think everything says well and it wait
and see what happens. With the union. I mean, it
does take a while. There's a process they have to
go through to electing new leadership, and that process was
ongoing for a while when they were looking at how
they replaced A Morris Smith. So you know, like I
think that piece of it, you know, for the players
and the agents, you know, you're keeping an eye on
(24:15):
what's going on. Certainly it's kind affects what's happening with
you going forward.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
I know you're saying that, like, well, wait a minute,
like in two years they were gonna.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Be different rules. Should we wait to do contracts? I
just think or right now?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Ab right, like look at the rookie and Cincinnati, like
he's not going to sign it unless he gets the
guarantees that he wants.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
The interesting thing too about that, LeVar, is that these
guys have leverage now too, and that like you know,
I mean like when you were coming out of college,
you were, you know, waiting to make your first to
get your first day paycheck, right like, and so you
know what those kids come out of college, you know
before the way it was in college now on the
way to dollege now and it was like just give
(24:58):
me to my contact.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
So I can a feature of.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
My family and buying a car, and you have money
from me to the younger guck have some comonger viders.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
So we're going to uh, we're actually gonna try and
reconnect with Albert. He's having some spotty, uh spotty reception there,
so hopefully we can get that figured out. But yeah,
it's look, the NFLPA looks awful in this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
They look terrible. I mean, whether you can totally understand
it and comprehend it or not, you definitely it doesn't
sound the optics of it just doesn't sound right now.
It doesn't paint the NFL into a great a great
picture either. But for what it's worth, the NFL represents
the employer. And yeah, you kind of always knew that
(25:45):
about the NFL, so so you don't you don't have
to expect the NFL to be heavy heavy on being
on the player side, but and they should be more
favorable towards getting exactly what they want. That's why it's
so crazy to think that when you look at an
NBA union or a baseball union, or you know, some
(26:07):
of these unions in these other sports, they are so
pro and so heavy skewed towards the side of representation
of of the athlete, that that's they get what they want,
you know, So is this to me? I just I
just feel like it's such a slippery slope that the
(26:28):
NFLPA is on now because they're getting put on blasts
for things that they should be more sturdy, more more
bold on on representation of the athlete. What what is
their their purpose If they're not overlya like, egregiously trying
to take care of the the best interests of the player,
(26:48):
it doesn't make sense if they're not.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Albert Breer is back with us here on Fox Sports Radio.
Maybe it almost feels like the NFLPA has been in
on this the entire time. Like that's what it feels
like to me. Like now like now that you peel
back the curtain, you go, oh, so wait, you conspired
to hire this stuff, to hide this stuff from us.
It's just I don't know how they get back into
(27:12):
the good graces of players or you know, the public
court of public opinion.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
Yeah, it's the whole thing is definitely bizarre. And I'm
sorry for the phone issue. I will say, I'm on vacation.
I'm not at home. So this is not one of
the old cool Albert Brier phone issues.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
All good, All good.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
If you hear gun chests in the background, that's a
cap gun that my my son bought at the toy story. Yes,
say so, there's nothing crazy happening. Yeah, old cool cap gun.
So so yeah, I like, I think you're right, Like
I think you know that you're an NFL player right now.
(27:50):
You're looking at this and you're saying okay. So we
see very clear coordination. At the very least, never use
no exclusion coordination between the owners on guaranteeing contract. If
quarterbacks contacts can't be guaranteed, no one else's contract is
going to be guaranteed. So if they're conspiring and succeeding
and conspiring to not guarantee quarterback contracts, none of us
(28:13):
are going to be guarantee contact. That's something that we've
been working forward forever. That's something that the union has
been working forwards forever. So now if the NFLPA it's
complicit in covering up that they were conspiring to keep
us from getting guaranteed contact, he sort of feels like
everybody's against you, doesn't it. Yeah, you know, like so
(28:34):
I just think I think that piece of it it's
going to be interesting. I heard something called Lloyd Hall
the Mansurian Candidate, which is an interesting way to to explain,
you know, what he has been for the owner. So
it does seem like he's been a lot less combative
towards the NFL, a lot less combative in his language
(28:55):
and how he directed the the owners than d Smith
was over his fifteen years. Certainly gotten my attention. So
that piece of it to me, like, if you're a player,
you want answers, and you want answers now, and you know,
I think forever the players haven't had a ton of
agency just because I mean the great majority of players
(29:16):
only make it two or three years in the league,
and and those guys are the rank and file. That's
the highest percentage of players in the league. And that
got that percentage of players. You know, they need to
take their money with when they can get it, because
it's going to go it can go away fast, you know.
So can you organize those guys to get somebody in
(29:38):
if what hell isn't that guy who is truly going
to look out for their best interest and it's he
who is going to see a big pixer, you know,
I think for all his faults, I think the Smith
did have that feeling of, you know, he's got the
best interest to the players in mind, and his job
coming out of like the I think what people will
consider a cozy Royce get the Clint Gene ups on
(29:58):
Paul Tagli who all those years ago, he at the
very least was willing to fight and he was willing
to pick up the sword. And you know, you do
certainly wonder if players missed having a guy who had
that sort of approach to the job and that was
it because he.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Was a former player. I mean, I think that plays
a major part in all of this. Like you, I
think it should be led by players because they understand
the best interest that I mean, guys are competent enough,
they're they're able to do that.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
We have guys, we have guys too that I think
we're in those rooms, you know, back in twenty eleven
that I think would be capable of doing it. You know,
do you Apollo Jeff Saturday because there's Dominie talk sports, would
you want to do it? You know, like there are
guys that were intimately involved to Kendall with somebody who
I know you played against for a lot of years, right, LaVar,
(30:50):
I think you might have played with him too.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Right, But.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, who are you talking about?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
There are a ton of guys that I think had
a lot of experience in doing it where it's like,
I just think, like, after all of this, it's like,
is there somebody that we can trust? Is there somebody
that we know is going to have our best interests
in mind? I think you're probably right, LeVar, And that
like in when when when when the greater group of players, Right,
(31:18):
when the two thousand players are in a position where
they don't feel like they can trust people like that's
going to become a very important piece of the equation
in selecting the next leader. Again, if this stuff goes
the way that it looks like it might go, and
I would agree with you that that that a player
(31:40):
is going to probably trust the former player more than
you will a businessman or a lawyer. And that's sure.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
You got to protect the best interest in these situations,
and and and and you look at again, I'll just
look no further than the NBA who represents that when
when all those things were getting done, all those deals
were getting done, like you saw Patrick, you and all
of the faces of the league walking in and doing
their deals. They were negotiating their deals and they were
(32:09):
it was player heavy and player friendly, you know, bargaining
and results that were in the collective bargain agreement between
the NBA owners and the players. I don't understand why
it has to be so complicated for football. It should
be the same exact thing, same as that.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Well and hey, hey, look like I think, like in eleven,
I would say there were a lot of players who
did do an awfully good job of leading, you know,
and again I mentioned some of them, just Saturday donor
Crian Waters, Pete Kendall, Like, there were a lot of
guys that were in those rooms that were there day
to day. Mike Rabile was one of them. In fact,
(32:48):
you know, like so there were a lot of guys
that were in those rooms on a day to day
basis that got a lot of great experience doing it
and leading in those situations that I think would be
capable of doing it that are older retired players. Now,
you know, I mean, I I like, I don't know,
you know, obviously Fox for us, Fox wanted to stick
that to me because he he I think, like, like
(33:11):
he was so young when when he was putt in
a position of leadership, they clearly saw something in him.
And I think he's somebody's that at one point at
least maybe aspired to the job. Now again, I don't
know what his appetite is for now. He's a great guy.
He's doing is he's doing great with his media stuff
and everything else. So maybe he doesn't want to do it,
But if he did, I think he'd be somebody that
(33:32):
would be fine and center for me as somebody I
want to talk to.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Yeah, Albert Preer, we appreciate it as always enjoy the
rest of your vacation. How much does a cap gun
go for these days? An old school cap gun?
Speaker 3 (33:44):
What do we take?
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Twenty? But then my care for me, it was only
nine ninety nine, So I get like, I mean, what
would have been that? I mean, if I haven't gotten
slowed back in the day, it would have been like
two bucks, right.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Like, yeah, like two bucks ninety nine, said a cap gun?
You was going to spend your money money on the
on the ammunition, the little rid dip that you put
in the back.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Of the cold.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Dang, those are sweet. Nine dollars. Yeah, I guess so
vintage is back. You remember when penny candy used to
cost a penny? Yeah, go figure.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Remember when the dollar tree used to be a dollar
for everything? Albert, we appreciated. Also, enjoy your time. We'll
do it again next week. It is Alpha Career with
us here on Fox Sports Radio, Amazon, NFL on Prime
Insight or Senior NFL Reporter, Lead Content and content strategist
at the m m QB.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Those cap guns were sweet.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Back in the day. You load up about the cold.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
I had the little red little dip with the little
in the back.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
Yeah, and then the hammer hit it and then it
had the the orange dot in the front so people
knew it was a tour.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, you want to mess around.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
We used to color them yeah yeah, oh yeah with
a sharpie, make it look like the real deal.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
There you go. Yeah, gotta be care but I mean
I had the Pea shooter, though I didn't have the
black one. I had the Pea shooter like the silver
colt with the white handle. Oh yeah. Used to try
to like, you know, twirl them.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
I had a belt holder too. I had I had
a gun. I had a gun holder. You really, Yeah,
I did so. I was destined to shoot up televisions
with you at some point. Maybe we should get cap
guns so people, we should, actually we should.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Uh it is uh, it is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe here on Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next,
We're going to close up shop on this Thursday morning
with another edition of Lee's Leftovers right here on FSR.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and
Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
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Speaker 2 (36:33):
These might smell.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
A little fun.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Care how that sounds incredible, but they're still good time
to find out what's left. It's Lee's left jobs.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
The laugh?
Speaker 3 (36:44):
What do we got?
Speaker 6 (36:44):
Shout out to Jade. Do you know what she sent me.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
The other day?
Speaker 6 (36:47):
What it's Bluetooth? My lost shaker of salt. Got myself
a Sultz salt shaka.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Shuck it like a salt sucker.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
She embraces my love for Jimmy.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Thank you, Jade.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Big out to Jada, So you like sponge cake, Jimmy
Buffett salt chaka, heard.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
Mama, Jade, sugar like a salt sugar.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
When's the last time you put salt on your food
at home? I literally don't remember.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
The last time I sat me and I seasoned my food.
I salted my eggs is like two days ago.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Really, yeah, us on the plate on the plate, Yeah,
Like I don't. I don't, Yeah, I don't. I'll do
it while I'm cooking, But if I'm not cooking it,
if I'm like serving, like grabbing it up to eat,
I never had salt.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Like.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I can remember going to restaurants as a kid and
I would put salt on my fries.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Fries.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, I haven't done that since probably I was a
kid because it's too salty.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Yeah, your taste, Budge.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Changed salt on my tortilla chips. Really a little extra.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Some people do that. It's too much for me, man. Yeah.
Some people like putting nice sea salt on their cookies. Yes,
like cooking on that cook today. Get my beer salt,
tear that cookie out the front.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, that's one of the damn that's one of the
more loser purchases I've ever seen. Walking down and when
we were in Vegas for the Draft a couple of
years ago, and Lee stops off at some like little
like liquor store, decides.
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Well, you stopped there and I joined you in there.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Well, yeah, I stopped to get a stop to get
a tall cane. Set the story, set the record straightly,
because I'm a sucker for beers in ice chests. I
don't know why, just and they had a whole ice
chest full of beers.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
You just go and grab it. I'm like, sweet, I'll
get this.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
There's like three bucks. I go to that one every time,
and Lee gets a Lee gets a what do they
call like?
Speaker 3 (38:50):
It was a beer.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I'd never seen a michilada one before.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
It's a little portable thing that you can use and
you just pour it in your beer when you want
to add a little flavor to.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
It if you have, you know, a nasty beer, which
happens from time to time. If you want a cheap
beer and you want to spice it up a little bit,
maybe a little PBR with some meat, you a lotta huh.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Okay, hey man.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Well you get your Chucko taco from the ice cream truck.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
You're literally the only person in the history of Las
Vegas that bought that.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Ever. Wrong, You're wrong, man.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
People would rather spend money on hookers than spend my
beer Vegas.
Speaker 6 (39:26):
Wow, okay, but sorry, I only got beer salt. Well,
if you were looking for a deal, yesterday was Prime Day.
I don't know if it reached.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Out to today.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
Have you guys ever gotten anything on Prime Day? I
got a roombo once.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
I don't shop a what a rumba? What is that?
Speaker 6 (39:42):
It's one of those little fake uh it cleans your
floor for you.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
It's a little machine. The robot that on the ground,
the robot vacuum.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
Yeah, you that lazy.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
I mean sometimes you like, I've got a dog, and
we get dog here everywhere, so to have one, I'm
actually get one pretty soon, have a.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
I just you know, I just had my dog killed.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Like I'm a thank Why do I thank? That's a
very very low note to the end show off.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
I'm just saying you got options.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Nah, I'm not gonna kill off mister Stakes.
Speaker 6 (40:17):
Well, I'm gonna go see Crypto today, Crypto the Dog, Superman.
I'll give you a review tomorrow for Superman and Crypto.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
All right, I'm gonna go see my eyelids. I'll tell
y'all how that was tomorrow. Crush the cookies.
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