October 24, 2025 • 40 mins
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Just search two pros FSR and subscribe. So yesterday, the
gambling scandal that rock the world that ESPN was really
trying not to talk about, really wanted no part of
we don't know what to do with this deer in
headlights moments when they've got the ESPN BET logo on
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the screen while they're talking about this whole thing and
not sure how to decipher how to address the whole
scenario and conversation when it's pretty easy. Hey, listen, DraftKings
is a part of our show. DraftKings is part of
the NBA. But it doesn't mean that everybody is using
DraftKings to gamble on games, all right, Like these players
are outliers. You would hope if they're not, the NBA
(02:54):
has got bigger issues. But these are outliers. And Chauncey
Billups and Damon Jones and Terry rose Ye who were
all involved in this scandal. You know, they were arrested yesterday.
They have claimed innocence. They have said, you know, nothing's
been charged yet or nothing. They have not been charged
and they're not going to do any time yet. But
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it does look pretty bad based on some.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Of the details we have.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh no, now, not the Clint. Some of those details
are fascinating. First, Terry Rogier. This was from Jessica Tish,
the New York Police Department police commissioner, who detailed Terry
Rogier's I don't know intentions during a certain game in
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March of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
In some instances, players altered their performance or took themselves
out of games to make sure that those bets paid out.
One example occurred on March twenty third, twenty twenty three,
in Charlotte. Terry Rogier, an NBA player now with the
Miami Heat but at the time playing for the Hornets,
allegedly let others close to him know that he planned
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to leave the game early with a supposed injury. Using
that information, members of the group placed more than two
hundred thousand dollars in wagers on his under statistics. Rogier
exited the game after just nine minutes, and those bets
paid out, generating tens of thousands of dollars in profit.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
The whole thing, it's just, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And there's probably somebody who was like watching the game somewhere,
which I made the point yesterday, if you're betting on Hornets,
like I don't even know who the Hornets were playing
at that time, it was like the Hornets, Grizzlies or
some awful team. Like, if you're betting on that game, Hornets,
Pelicans or whatever the game is, If that's what you're
doing on a Thursday night, you deserve to be paid, Like,
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I'm sorry, you deserve to get some sort of a payment,
and so whoever cashed in those bets, you deserve it.
But there was probably somebody else watching it going, Jesus,
what what is Rogier got money on this game? Like
the way he's playing, what are you like? What is
this this guy got? Is this guy on the take
not realizing? Yeah, he actually was, like he was actually
tanking that game so the people could get paid.
Speaker 8 (05:14):
And the worst part is.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
I think he was getting a kickback. He would have
to Yeah, I mean you have to.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I don't know what sort of kickback would be worth
risking the twenty something million dollars making a year.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Stupid, but I guess he just felt like it couldn't
harm anything, Like what what is the thought process on
that approach?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Like? Why do it?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I think that's the question that everybody's going to continue
to ask, right, why risk millions for thousands like two
hundred thousand dollars and bets like okay, that's that's that's
not a lot of money to NBA players, marquee players.
On top of that, I want to I want to
make a comparison. But go ahead, make the comparison. Yeah,
(06:00):
let's see why not. Let's see if you do it
let's see.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know, like.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
You ever you ever had a like a friend who
maybe fools around on his better half, and then you
see who he fooled around with, and you're like, wait
a second, you risked it all for that. And I
just wonder if maybe it's one of those situations where
you're like, you're in the moment, things are going on,
and you're.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Like, eh, why not? You know, but it went on
for years, So that's a hard one to you know, Like.
Speaker 8 (06:30):
I mean, Terry Rogier had a ten job.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But when you play it that way, when that four
looks decent right now on a Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
But if you think about it, when you put it
that way, it's about the sensation that you get. It's
about the It's about that energy charge that the thrill,
love of what that feels like, the thrill of the chase,
the thrill of am I going to win or not win?
Like I don't understand why Rosier or or other guys
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like that would help the bet by doing it that way.
I don't know what they get out of it, because
that's that's like, Okay, we're going to get the under
I'm gonna take myself out, Like I see it as
being like, Okay, this is a little side hustle some
some passive income. But if you're using the other example
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as an example, I would say maybe for somebody, it's
for the effect of it. Like like I like playing
blackjack because of that moment you feel before you know
what the cards are going to be, Like that moment
when I when I put my bet down, I want
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to put down such a significant bet that that feeling
that I have once the once the dealer starts putting
the cards out, that feeling from the time they start
putting the cards out until the time they go bust
or they beat you or whatever it is.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
That's why I play blackjack, not even the There's very
few times I've ever walked away from the table with money.
I always say, I'm investing in an experience. Yeah, so
I'll take I'll take five hundred dollars one thousand dollars
to the table. I have turned five hundred one thousand
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dollars literally, asked TJ. Hutchman's out of he tells the
story the best.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean, hell Lee, if he was here, he'd be
on to tell bro I can take small amounts and
turn into like I'd be up to like ten fifteen,
twenty thousand dollars off of five hundred one thousand dollars,
And generally I never leave with the money because I
get so into the feeling, that feeling from the time
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you put the money up. When when when that dealer
starts dealing, that that adrenaline rush, that whatever that fix
is that I'm feeling right there, I'm okay with putting
up more money, even if I'm looking at it like
the fix is in like this this is rigged. Something's
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going on with the cards. There's no way that this
dealer should be pulling from a shoot and getting twenty
one with five cards on the table, Like shouldn't happen.
But I still play because the feeling. You get, that feeling,
and maybe that's what it is. Maybe that feeling supersedes
the idea of logically speaking, Why would you be betting
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if the total amount was two hundred thousand dollars of
total bets on this under that's not for you, the player,
that's not what you make. Why would you do that
other than to say, I'm going to help some family
members out. If you want to help family members out,
stuff like that. Maybe I could see that being something
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that you did, like, oh, your brother, your cousin, homeboy,
whatever it may be. They're going to bet on this dot. Okay,
this is early in the year. It ain't gonna hurt nothing.
I'm coming out like bet my under.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And the problem with the Rosier situation, which and I
remember talking about it at the time and people were
giving me a hard time, say why are you talking
about it? It was during the Saturday Show and people were
giving me a heart time, like why are you talking
about The NBA were like, listen, man, this story is
not going anywhere. And the fact that it comes out
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that the day of him acting the way he acted
it like the next morning or actually that day of
the game. Sports books around the country were flagged to hey,
there's an unusual activity. A lot of money's coming in
on Terry Rogier unders for the game, points, rebounds, assists,
whatever it is, like, there's a lot of money coming in.
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This is abnormal for a Thursday night game between the
Pelicans and the Hornets. This does not add up. It
doesn't make sense. They tipped off the NBA. The NBA
knew about it. Terry Rozier didn't play the rest of
the year, and the story was, well, he's got an injury.
He did not have an injury. The NBA was looking
into this, and then the next year starts and he
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was allowed to play the entire year like it played
the entire star.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So here's the bigger question, I think because the individuals
that that'll play itself out, and generally speaking, you get
conclusions that it's like, yeah, you could have figured that.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
That would have been a conclusion of what took place,
But the.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Fallout from it, like what you're you're making mentioning of
mention of right now? How does this play out for
the other parties involved? How does it play out for
the NBA? How does it play out for you know,
the commissioner of the NBA, Like, how does this play
out for the entities involved in this outside of the players.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
The Chauncey Billups one is like Damon Jones was an
assistant coach with the Lakers and he's hitting people up
being like, hey, Lebron's not going to play tonight, Like
Lebron's not playing.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Put your money on Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So there's that involvement to where he's basically giving inside
information to people, so they can place wagers on it
for you.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
If you're telling them Lebron didn't play, you don't have
to tell them what their bet should be. Just telling
them Lebron isn't playing. Isn't that enough inside or information?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But there's like he's on record as saying something along
the lines of lay the house on Milwaukee. So he's
instructing them and he just playing how you can make
that call. At one point he even says to them,
but make sure you save a little for for for Damon,
like like, make sure you save a little bit for Damon.
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Like that was sort of his Hey like, yeah, cut me,
cut me some you know, he'll give me a little
bit of that. So he did that, I guess a
bunch of times, like we laid out earlier, one of them.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Actually didn't hit. You know.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
He was like, hey, there's a bunch of guys that
are going to be sitting out. One of them didn't hit,
and so they got pissed and said, you know, they
wanted their money back because they bet money on this
game based on his information.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
It didn't hit.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So they were pissed off of Damon Jones. The Chauncey
Billups stuff and we're gonna hear from you know, from
the details of those poker games. This is where the
Chauncey Billup stuff gets bad because even when the news
came out that Chauncey Billups got popped for this, when
we talked about it in real time yesterday on the show,
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people after the Factor were like, oh, by the way,
Chauncey Billups involvement in all this this said didn't have
anything to do with games that he coached. This was
Chauncey Billups and a poker ring. This is separate from
you know, the NBA and well, and then it comes
out that Chauncey Billups was telling people the Blazer's intentions
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from game to game in which he was telling people
we're tanking. Literally said, we're intentionally trying to lose, We're
trying to increase our odds in the draft because they
wanted to get Victor webbin Yama. And as it turns out,
you can't do that, like you cannot admit to the
fact that you are tanking. You cannot come straight out
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and say that. So not only is he is he
implicating the Blazers organization and their instructions to the team,
like Hey, we're going to be tanking games. We're not interested.
So there's that that's a bad look. But then he's
also doing it so that people can place wagers and
fade the blazers so that those people can get paid.
This isn't just as much as they tried to push
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well just the poker suth. No, no, no, no, you've got
a head coach admitting and acknowledging our organization is tanking games.
I'm the coach. And by the way, here's who we're
not playing. If you want to go ahead and make
money on fading us, he's screwed, dude, Like, if this
is true, he's screwed. And I think Shaq made the
point last night where he's like, look, man, the FBI.
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The FBI doesn't come knock it unless they think they
got something. Oh yeah, absolutely sorry. This is not just like, well,
let's wait until all the facts come out. Okay, fair,
but this probably isn't going to end well now, they
didn't explain how this stuff sort of played out, some
of these illegal poker games that were taking place. Let's
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take a listen to this gem from yesterday.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
The defendants in this case orchestrated a Skiing to use
wireless cheating technology to run rigged poker games across the
United States.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
The scheme targeted victims known.
Speaker 9 (15:25):
As quote phish, who were often lord to participate in
these rigged games by the chance to play alongside former
professional athletes who were known as quote face cards. The
so called face cards included the defendant Chauncey Billips, who
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at the time of the scheme was a former.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
NBA player and is currently the head.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
Coach of the Portland Trailblazers, and also Damon Jones, a
former NBA player and coach.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
What the victims the fish didn't know is.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
That everybody else at the poker game, from the dealer
to the players, including the face.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Cards, were in on the scam.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
Once the game was underway, the defendants fleeced the victims
out of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars per game.
The defendants used a variety of very sophisticated cheating technologies.
For example, they used off the shelf shuffling machines that
had been secretly altered in order to read the cards
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in the deck, predict which player at the table had
the best poker hand, and relay that information to an
off site operator. The off site operator sent the information
via cell phone back to a co conspirator at the table,
and together they used that information in order to win
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their games and to cheat the victims.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Crazy, man, it's crazy. That's only a lot of work.
Man's a lot of work. But I mean, you're hustling
six figures.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
But and then you know there's there's a beer player.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
They was getting hundreds, one hundred thousand plus out of
players just per per game.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Well, because these guys are probably like, man, I get
to yeah, I'll go play poker. I get to play
poker with Chauncey Billups. He's a Hall of Famer and
an NBA you know big you know, NBA champion and all,
Like I get to play with NBA players.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
Yeah, I want to go be a part of this.
Let's go hang out and play poker.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Ah shuck, she got me again for another fifteen grand,
not realizing Chauncey Billups has got glasses on that can
see secretly marked cards, like they're an X ray machine.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
You know what I'm curious about is how did this
become an investigation? Like how did the idea Like okay,
maybe it was flagged for the NBA games betting on
those games. Maybe it was flagged. I believe it was
mentioned because it was such a large amount put down
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on on the rosier player not playing or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So I don't know if this is the origin of it.
But there was a professional poker player named Matt Burke
who a couple of years ago was on a podcast
and he detailed these illegal poker games, and he talked
about Chauncey Billips being one of the guys at these
poker games. Oh and so I don't know if the
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FBI got caught wind of that and started then secretly
looking into.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I've been a part of parties, bro. I can recall
when I played. You know, you go to parties and
bro the person had including my house, if you had
pool table in the house, there was going to be
gambling like so you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
And it was.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Cash bruh, like like a lot of money, like a
lot of money that was like being bet and being
thrown around. And it wasn't just yeah, it wasn't just pros.
It was like you know, regular everyday dudes. That was
a part of it too. And and and cats would
be like shooting craps, that would be like the biggest
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like the biggest thing was shooting crabs.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
But in saying that, you know, was there some sort
of secret behind behind their back deals where hey let's
fleece out these regular people?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
From what I think about it, like like think about it.
How how aware or any given amount of people to
a situation like that. So what I'm saying is is
how did it become common knowledge? So if you're saying
this guy said that, that's fine, Okay, this this this,
this guy says that the poker player says that this
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was going on detailed it. I can understand how you
connected to untie Billups now because he said the name.
But is that to me? Is that how it got out?
How does this become an investigation? How do you link it?
Because put it to you like this, like people have
friend clicks, Like it's like sets, right, you have different clicks.
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This seems like it's connected to all the same people, right,
Like there's like connective tissue and at least with with
Jones and Billups, right, not not the.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Best, not the basketball kid. That's a little different, right, Yeah,
that's a little rosier, is like that's.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
More singularly, But but I feel like Damon Jones and
Chauncey Billups is more related, Like there's a connective tissue.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
By the way, the basketball stuff is Operation nothing but
Net and the poker stuff is Operation Royal Flush.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Just to we're clear, I just like, to me, I
think there's got to be more.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I think it's probably something as simple as if there's
enough people involved, you increase your odds that somebody tells
somebody something.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And but how do they know to tell you they're cheating?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Well, so, because as they were explaining that, everybody from
the dealers to the to all the other people involved,
including Chauncey Billups and you know the other one, like,
they all were in on the scam. And so look,
Chauncey Billups could have said something in passing. One of
the dealers, could have said something to to a buddy
of his who's a poker player, and be like, dude,
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you got to see what we're.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Pulling off these days.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So we've got these guys that come in, Chauncey Billups
is there, and a lot like these guys aren't celebrities.
So I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility
that maybe a dealer or one of these guys is like,
oh yeah, I was hanging out with with with Chauncey
billups you know who that is, the NBA player, Yeah,
and listen, and we were part of a game together.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, like like like a couple of times champion.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And I just think that there's when there's enough people involved,
somebody may have just said one thing and then it spread.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Like chance, Uh, what's the boxer's name, Adrian Broner. He's
a part of hustling NBA players in card games, Like
there was a whole thing on that where he you know,
and that was millions that was hitting the millions of
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how I think high stakes poker, private poker games or whatever.
You hear about the arena situation. Now you're hearing about
Bill Upson and Jones, And I think again, the reason
why I'm asking how did this come about is because
there's probably that's culture, right. We heard about this when
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Michael Jordan was playing, you know, when it went.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
As deep as people were alleging that maybe you know,
his gambling was so serious that you know, they connected
that to what happened to his pops, and that was
a story so gaming has always been a part of
sports culture.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And look, there's also a lot of people who believe
that his time away to go play baseball was the
NBA saying take a walk for a little while, because
we know you're doing something on the side.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I'm saying that's true. All I know. All I know is.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
If if there's smoke and fire with this particular situation,
there's probably twenty thirty more of them or more way
more of athletes doing the same exact things.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's like pds, Like they all of a sudden, we're
cracking down on peds and then every single year something
comes up where hey, so and so pissed hot, like happens,
like somebody's always gonna find some way to get an
edge or to go down this road before. Like, yeah,
I one hundred percent believe that there's either more out
there or there's probably a lot of guys that are
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sweating their balls off right now.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Like God, I hope they don't.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Hold that all come for me because it's so easy
if you're an NBA player and somebody hits you up
and be like, hey, so, how much you playing because
you're supposed to start it.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
You're coming off the bench.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
He's coming off the bench, dude, So could you do
me a favor?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah? What's that like?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
If you have an open shot, you know, you know,
give it up, you know, give it to somebody else.
Because I got the under on eight and a half
points for you in this game tonight. It's like, all right, dude,
Like I see a guy in the corner. I'm gonna,
you know, trying up my assist. But I don't want
to score too many points because I just it's not
that hard. And look, Tim, Donnie and we played it earlier.
He's saying, well, I think you're going to see a
lot of this on the college level. Yes, and you
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already have.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
You would assume it would be way more prevalent because
it's not as much money involved.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And it's happened like because people are like, man, are
they really gonna get pissed because a lot of these
prop bets, you know, like the super Bowl does this
to where the Super Bowl's got prop bets to where
you can bet on the color of the gatorade or
you can bet on how long the national anthem is.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
You mean to tell me none.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Of those security guards that are working in the stadium
all the time. Aren't taking a peek at the gatorade,
aren't looking at the national app But you've had people
that have recorded it outside the stadium when they're in
rehearsals like.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Or WWF right WWE like you know, or you WrestleMania.
You can bet on that right places. And that stuff
is determined. It's already predetermined. So who's to say that
somebody who's helped predetermine it, like has that information, like
bet on this dude, yeah, bet the bank.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I'm just saying this opens up that, this opens up
the conversation really for everything.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, And it's like, you know, and that's the thing
about it is that with this stuff and a scandal
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Speaker 1 (25:53):
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Speaker 1 (26:46):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
Hickey or Bruce Damn Shure.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
No, sure, Lee, Yeah, but technically, isn't that what a
hickey is?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Yes, technically, when you give a hickey, you pull the
blood thingies up to the surface of the skin because
you suck on it so hard.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Got a vampire like cupping or whatever like this, it's
a bruise. Uh huh, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You ever gotten cupped cupped that? Yeah, cupped with U
what's the acupuncture and all that stuff? Then they connect
the electrodes to you know, bruh, that's some wild junk
when they stick the needle in and it releases like that,
like the build up assets and stuff like that that
you be having like the works. Oh yeah, br you
(27:30):
can feel it released, be burning down. Yeah, it's crazy, man,
It's crazy the things that you can do for your
body to feel better and to function better. But like
most of us don't do it at all, ricey it's
just even stretching. How many people you think stretched during
(27:54):
the course of a day. But it could make your
life and your quality of life so much better if
you just stretch, Like take a good thirty forty minutes
to just stretch. So yoga is man telling you people
don't do it. But anyway, yeah, you always cockupuncture definitely
is a vibe.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Like you always give the sight out of those weirdos
at the yoga studio next door.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
No, I don't I give a sad aye, so they
don't think I'm looking Yeah that catfish at that flounder eye.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Yeah, I'd be straight ahead. Yeah, staring, but.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Uh, by the way, we are all hot there.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Way.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
We are going to to have another edition of The
Leftovers coming up here in about twelve minutes from now
here on FSRT is two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Here.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington Jonas knocks with you, Aaron Rodgers.
As we mentioned in our Picks against the Spread, one
of the games that we picked was the Packers at
the Steelers. This is Aaron rodgers first opportunity to see
his former team, the Green Bay Packers, although it's going
to be a home there at speaking of acupuncture at
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Akroscher Stadium there in Pittsburgh, Aaron Rodgers did say and
pointed out that his career it started in Green Bay,
and you bet your ass that's where it's going to
finish up.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I feel so good about my time, man, because the
in there.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Everything great in my life is because of you know,
my football career, and my football career starts.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
And we're in one day with with Green Bay.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
So we got a lot of love for all those
memories and a lot of great friends still carry with
me to this day.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
See, so there's always hope you could go back to Washington.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
No, that's a Hall of Fame goat football player for
that organization. I don't that wasn't my that wasn't in
my cards.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
How do you feel about how do you feel about
the one day contract and retiring with the team.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I think the sentimental value for those who have had
the type of careers that a guy like like Brian
Mitchell did that to retire as a commander.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Is he going to get in the Hall of Fame
this year? He's up again. He should get then. I
don't understand why he hasn't gotten in. Hey, Devin Hester
got him? Was it last year?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
But what I'm saying a little bit, I mean hopefully
hopefully it does. Uh but yeah, you know, I don't know, man,
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I just you know, I don't I don't have any
real feeling just uh.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Because Rogers made a point to say it's not really
a revenge game. He doesn't have anything, you know, against
the Packers organization. It's like he's getting further away from
those feelings. Like time tends to like numb the pain
or dull it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
But he's bro that's cap he wants to destroy the
Green Bay Packers, and I'm sure he'll say it after
the game is over. Whatever, Maybe he'll be more measured
because he is getting closer to the end of his
career and he's certainly not going to relate to any
of these teams he's with, like especially the Jets. Now,
(31:00):
I will say maybe with the Steelers stupid, that's my algorithm.
Maybe with the Steelers, depending on how this season goes
or how long he stays with them. But what we
give them three years tops, two years tops, what is it?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I just don't think that right with any one of
these these either or Jets and Pittsburgh, that that will
be his community once he retires. It's one hundred percent
Green Bay, and so this makes sense to be measured
in what you say and maybe even start to create
some connection back to the Green Bay you know, Packer's community.
(31:43):
I mean, they still love them. If you talk to
any Green Bay fan, he didn't. Generally speaking, Green Bay
fans have no beef with Aaron Rodgers because they feel
like it wasn't on him. You know, some people feel
like you know, but a lot of people are still
big fans far Green Bay Packer farv.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Was different because he then he went and played in
Minnesota and it was like, all right, that's that's an
art tribal, you know, why would you go back there?
But Rogers and I also think part of what helps
him not feel any sort of resentment towards the organization
is his time with the Jets.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Because of anything, I think.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
His time with the Jets made him realize how good
he actually had it in Green Bay to where he's like, man,
I'm in a circus with a bunch of clowns. And
now he realized, because he's made mention of this, that
Pittsburgh kind of reminds him a little bit like Green
Bay to where it's the rich tradition, the fan base,
(32:39):
how well run the organization is, and much like with
the Steelers and the fact that they've had you know,
three head coaches since the sixties. Dude, the Packers have
had three quarterbacks since the mid nineties, like they've had
thirty years of Hall of Fame level quarterback play. And
then it remains to be seen with Jordan Love. But
I think Rogers got to New York with the Jets
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and he looked around and realized this place sucks and
it just made him appreciate what he had in Green
Bay more so, I'm not surprised that there's still fond
feelings on both sides between both them, because he had
a hell of a run there, man. And so apparently
he's going to see his former team this weekend, and
he's going to retire eventually as a member of that
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former team at some point what he decides to call
it a career, which, by the way, if it does
continue to go the way it's gone this.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Year out for him and the Staylors, do you do
you think he would come back for another year.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
He seems happy, and I think when you're happy, it
it creates a different level of okay once I hit
that offseason, is this something that I'm willing to invest
the time in to come back to? And I would
tend to say, I mean, he looks happy, which means
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that maybe maybe there's the chance. Yeah, maybe there's the
chance maybe, but I don't give it pass. I do
not give it pass. Two to three, I would say
three tops, Yeah, I think that's a wrap on that.
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Speaker 3 (35:09):
Time to find out what's left incredible.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Here's the leftover, hy ray, Ray, what do we got?
Speaker 11 (35:18):
I saw this really fun left over.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Today, the timber Wolves are bringing back their Prince jersey
and they're matching the court to it.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
I'm so excited. It looks so cool.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
It has purple accents and it has the Prince symbol
right in the center of the court for fun.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Purple rain on it.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Purple rain.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Damn.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
Do you see it, Jonas? It is so pretty damn.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
And their jerseys are going, they're calling them it's for
their city edition.
Speaker 11 (35:46):
That's when they'll be wearing the Princes.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Those are jerseys.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Those are brutal.
Speaker 11 (35:50):
You don't like it? No, Well, it's not exactly meant
for a vampire, so.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
It's very purplely I don't. I don't know that that's
meant for a man. To be honest with you, thanks,
sometimes I look femin it.
Speaker 11 (36:08):
Well, you know, people said that about Prince all the time.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
I'm looking at Prince.
Speaker 11 (36:13):
You know, he was a ladies' man.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I looked at him. Yeah, he was a man's man too.
Everybody looked that. I guess did he shop in that aisle?
I don't think so at all. I don't think so.
He just had that look. Hell of a talent though,
I mean could be the most talented a legitimate Wolves fan,
(36:39):
by the way, like really like they said, Cahoo, do
you remember the story from Charlie Murphy?
Speaker 5 (36:43):
They said, that was a true story.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Well, if you want to see them debut it, it's
going to be November fifteenth on their Prince themed night
at the Target Center.
Speaker 11 (36:53):
So make sure you watch that.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Boy who knows, maybe maybe some people have money on.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
That game, They said, Crossover Gay was serious.
Speaker 11 (37:02):
Yes, snaps.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
All right.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
NHL player of the Columbus Blue Jackets Miles Wood, while
playing and protecting the goal, he took a stick up
to his left eye. He immediately dropped down to the ice.
He had to ask his trainer if he still had
his left eye.
Speaker 11 (37:23):
He said he could only see out of the right one.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
He needed eight stitches, four on the side of his
eye and four across the bridge of his nose.
Speaker 11 (37:30):
He also had to sleep sitting up for a.
Speaker 8 (37:32):
Week straight, so he still had the eye.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Yes, he's been out for ten days, but when he
looks down into the left it's just black.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
He can only see shadows. He can't see anything.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
That's brutal by the way, sleeping upright, not that bad.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
Oh I hate it. I can't do it.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I could do it on an airplane, yeah, very easily. Yeah.
And I could do it in a rocking chair.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
What else, and a sweet recliner and a nice recliner recliner.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Yeah, you could do.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It airport and if you have one of those airplane pillows,
those ones that wrap around your neck, the neck roll.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Now I'm curious though, this man thought he had his
eyeball in his hand at one point.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, right, I might have had to
put it back in.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
Look.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Uh and I just thought about the hockey game. What
was it a year and a half, two years ago
where the man got his next Like, it's such a
dangerous set.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Happened back in like the nineties, some guy, I think
maybe for the Islanders or somebody like that.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Yeah, skate came.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Up and that's why, that's why they started having those
extensions on the bottom of the goalie mass that would
cover their necks because these guys, you know, you you
you lose your skate, next thing you know, you're coming
up and you're not intentionally trying to gash somebody's neck.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
And nonetheless you can gash it, yeah, wild.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Wild actually do speaking of eyeball in your You know,
pickleball is an up and coming sport.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Is it still up in coming?
Speaker 11 (39:04):
Yes, and more people, which.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Is why there's an increase in pickleball eye injuries.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
What wow.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Approximately twenty million Americans choose to play that low impact,
and a lot of them are over the age of fifty,
so they have. Last year they saw over twelve hundred
eye injuries, including retinal detachment orbital fractures, and the doctors
are cautioning older players to be cautious because they could
suffer from vision loss if they get.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
Hurt hard enough.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
What it hit hard enough?
Speaker 11 (39:35):
Art hit injured?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Talk about an injury you can't brag about, sad man
that that's a nasty, nasty cut there? Where'd you get
that from pickleball?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
You ever heard the way that sounds coming off of
the racket. It has the most repulsive sound. It's coming
off of the rack.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
My neighbor plays it against the wall of her garage NonStop,
and my son couldn't figure out what it was. And
then he comes out and he's just watching her, and
I could just see even at four years old, the
disgust he had.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
That's what that sound was. And it wasn't even for
anything cool.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
It's not even like hitting a speedbag or anything or
not literally just like.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
A pa it's a repulsive noise.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I can't stand away a pickleball sounds coming off the racket,
I can't. I can't stand it. It's ridiculous. But I'm
okay with ping pong and I'm okay with tennis, but
the pickleball, I ain't with it.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
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I do nothing. I will do nothing once I leave
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It's really messed up.
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Just search two pros FSR and subscribe. So yesterday, the
gambling scandal that rock the world that ESPN was really
trying not to talk about, really wanted no part of
we don't know what to do with this deer in
headlights moments when they've got the ESPN BET logo on
(02:32):
the screen while they're talking about this whole thing and
not sure how to decipher how to address the whole
scenario and conversation when it's pretty easy. Hey, listen, DraftKings
is a part of our show. DraftKings is part of
the NBA. But it doesn't mean that everybody is using
DraftKings to gamble on games, all right, Like these players
are outliers. You would hope if they're not, the NBA
(02:54):
has got bigger issues. But these are outliers. And Chauncey
Billups and Damon Jones and Terry rose Ye who were
all involved in this scandal. You know, they were arrested yesterday.
They have claimed innocence. They have said, you know, nothing's
been charged yet or nothing. They have not been charged
and they're not going to do any time yet. But
(03:15):
it does look pretty bad based on some.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Of the details we have.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Oh no, now, not the Clint. Some of those details
are fascinating. First, Terry Rogier. This was from Jessica Tish,
the New York Police Department police commissioner, who detailed Terry
Rogier's I don't know intentions during a certain game in
(03:41):
March of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 7 (03:43):
In some instances, players altered their performance or took themselves
out of games to make sure that those bets paid out.
One example occurred on March twenty third, twenty twenty three,
in Charlotte. Terry Rogier, an NBA player now with the
Miami Heat but at the time playing for the Hornets,
allegedly let others close to him know that he planned
(04:05):
to leave the game early with a supposed injury. Using
that information, members of the group placed more than two
hundred thousand dollars in wagers on his under statistics. Rogier
exited the game after just nine minutes, and those bets
paid out, generating tens of thousands of dollars in profit.
Speaker 5 (04:26):
The whole thing, it's just, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And there's probably somebody who was like watching the game somewhere,
which I made the point yesterday, if you're betting on Hornets,
like I don't even know who the Hornets were playing
at that time, it was like the Hornets, Grizzlies or
some awful team. Like, if you're betting on that game, Hornets,
Pelicans or whatever the game is, If that's what you're
doing on a Thursday night, you deserve to be paid, Like,
(04:52):
I'm sorry, you deserve to get some sort of a payment,
and so whoever cashed in those bets, you deserve it.
But there was probably somebody else watching it going, Jesus,
what what is Rogier got money on this game? Like
the way he's playing, what are you like? What is
this this guy got? Is this guy on the take
not realizing? Yeah, he actually was, like he was actually
tanking that game so the people could get paid.
Speaker 8 (05:14):
And the worst part is.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
I think he was getting a kickback. He would have
to Yeah, I mean you have to.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I don't know what sort of kickback would be worth
risking the twenty something million dollars making a year.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Stupid, but I guess he just felt like it couldn't
harm anything, Like what what is the thought process on
that approach?
Speaker 5 (05:34):
Like? Why do it?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I think that's the question that everybody's going to continue
to ask, right, why risk millions for thousands like two
hundred thousand dollars and bets like okay, that's that's that's
not a lot of money to NBA players, marquee players.
On top of that, I want to I want to
make a comparison. But go ahead, make the comparison. Yeah,
(06:00):
let's see why not. Let's see if you do it
let's see.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
You know, like.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
You ever you ever had a like a friend who
maybe fools around on his better half, and then you
see who he fooled around with, and you're like, wait
a second, you risked it all for that. And I
just wonder if maybe it's one of those situations where
you're like, you're in the moment, things are going on,
and you're.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Like, eh, why not? You know, but it went on
for years, So that's a hard one to you know, Like.
Speaker 8 (06:30):
I mean, Terry Rogier had a ten job.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
But when you play it that way, when that four
looks decent right now on a Thursday night.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
But if you think about it, when you put it
that way, it's about the sensation that you get. It's
about the It's about that energy charge that the thrill,
love of what that feels like, the thrill of the chase,
the thrill of am I going to win or not win?
Like I don't understand why Rosier or or other guys
(07:00):
like that would help the bet by doing it that way.
I don't know what they get out of it, because
that's that's like, Okay, we're going to get the under
I'm gonna take myself out, Like I see it as
being like, Okay, this is a little side hustle some
some passive income. But if you're using the other example
(07:21):
as an example, I would say maybe for somebody, it's
for the effect of it. Like like I like playing
blackjack because of that moment you feel before you know
what the cards are going to be, Like that moment
when I when I put my bet down, I want
(07:42):
to put down such a significant bet that that feeling
that I have once the once the dealer starts putting
the cards out, that feeling from the time they start
putting the cards out until the time they go bust
or they beat you or whatever it is.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
That's why I play blackjack, not even the There's very
few times I've ever walked away from the table with money.
I always say, I'm investing in an experience. Yeah, so
I'll take I'll take five hundred dollars one thousand dollars
to the table. I have turned five hundred one thousand
(08:21):
dollars literally, asked TJ. Hutchman's out of he tells the
story the best.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
I mean, hell Lee, if he was here, he'd be
on to tell bro I can take small amounts and
turn into like I'd be up to like ten fifteen,
twenty thousand dollars off of five hundred one thousand dollars,
And generally I never leave with the money because I
get so into the feeling, that feeling from the time
(08:48):
you put the money up. When when when that dealer
starts dealing, that that adrenaline rush, that whatever that fix
is that I'm feeling right there, I'm okay with putting
up more money, even if I'm looking at it like
the fix is in like this this is rigged. Something's
(09:09):
going on with the cards. There's no way that this
dealer should be pulling from a shoot and getting twenty
one with five cards on the table, Like shouldn't happen.
But I still play because the feeling. You get, that feeling,
and maybe that's what it is. Maybe that feeling supersedes
the idea of logically speaking, Why would you be betting
(09:34):
if the total amount was two hundred thousand dollars of
total bets on this under that's not for you, the player,
that's not what you make. Why would you do that
other than to say, I'm going to help some family
members out. If you want to help family members out,
stuff like that. Maybe I could see that being something
(09:55):
that you did, like, oh, your brother, your cousin, homeboy,
whatever it may be. They're going to bet on this dot. Okay,
this is early in the year. It ain't gonna hurt nothing.
I'm coming out like bet my under.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
And the problem with the Rosier situation, which and I
remember talking about it at the time and people were
giving me a hard time, say why are you talking
about it? It was during the Saturday Show and people were
giving me a heart time, like why are you talking
about The NBA were like, listen, man, this story is
not going anywhere. And the fact that it comes out
(10:29):
that the day of him acting the way he acted
it like the next morning or actually that day of
the game. Sports books around the country were flagged to hey,
there's an unusual activity. A lot of money's coming in
on Terry Rogier unders for the game, points, rebounds, assists,
whatever it is, like, there's a lot of money coming in.
(10:49):
This is abnormal for a Thursday night game between the
Pelicans and the Hornets. This does not add up. It
doesn't make sense. They tipped off the NBA. The NBA
knew about it. Terry Rozier didn't play the rest of
the year, and the story was, well, he's got an injury.
He did not have an injury. The NBA was looking
into this, and then the next year starts and he
(11:12):
was allowed to play the entire year like it played
the entire star.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So here's the bigger question, I think because the individuals
that that'll play itself out, and generally speaking, you get
conclusions that it's like, yeah, you could have figured that.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
That would have been a conclusion of what took place,
But the.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Fallout from it, like what you're you're making mentioning of
mention of right now? How does this play out for
the other parties involved? How does it play out for
the NBA? How does it play out for you know,
the commissioner of the NBA, Like, how does this play
out for the entities involved in this outside of the players.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
The Chauncey Billups one is like Damon Jones was an
assistant coach with the Lakers and he's hitting people up
being like, hey, Lebron's not going to play tonight, Like
Lebron's not playing.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Put your money on Milwaukee.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So there's that involvement to where he's basically giving inside
information to people, so they can place wagers on it
for you.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
If you're telling them Lebron didn't play, you don't have
to tell them what their bet should be. Just telling
them Lebron isn't playing. Isn't that enough inside or information?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
But there's like he's on record as saying something along
the lines of lay the house on Milwaukee. So he's
instructing them and he just playing how you can make
that call. At one point he even says to them,
but make sure you save a little for for for Damon,
like like, make sure you save a little bit for Damon.
(12:40):
Like that was sort of his Hey like, yeah, cut me,
cut me some you know, he'll give me a little
bit of that. So he did that, I guess a
bunch of times, like we laid out earlier, one of them.
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Actually didn't hit. You know.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
He was like, hey, there's a bunch of guys that
are going to be sitting out. One of them didn't hit,
and so they got pissed and said, you know, they
wanted their money back because they bet money on this
game based on his information.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
It didn't hit.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
So they were pissed off of Damon Jones. The Chauncey
Billups stuff and we're gonna hear from you know, from
the details of those poker games. This is where the
Chauncey Billup stuff gets bad because even when the news
came out that Chauncey Billups got popped for this, when
we talked about it in real time yesterday on the show,
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people after the Factor were like, oh, by the way,
Chauncey Billups involvement in all this this said didn't have
anything to do with games that he coached. This was
Chauncey Billups and a poker ring. This is separate from
you know, the NBA and well, and then it comes
out that Chauncey Billups was telling people the Blazer's intentions
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from game to game in which he was telling people
we're tanking. Literally said, we're intentionally trying to lose, We're
trying to increase our odds in the draft because they
wanted to get Victor webbin Yama. And as it turns out,
you can't do that, like you cannot admit to the
fact that you are tanking. You cannot come straight out
(14:05):
and say that. So not only is he is he
implicating the Blazers organization and their instructions to the team,
like Hey, we're going to be tanking games. We're not interested.
So there's that that's a bad look. But then he's
also doing it so that people can place wagers and
fade the blazers so that those people can get paid.
This isn't just as much as they tried to push
(14:26):
well just the poker suth. No, no, no, no, you've got
a head coach admitting and acknowledging our organization is tanking games.
I'm the coach. And by the way, here's who we're
not playing. If you want to go ahead and make
money on fading us, he's screwed, dude, Like, if this
is true, he's screwed. And I think Shaq made the
point last night where he's like, look, man, the FBI.
(14:48):
The FBI doesn't come knock it unless they think they
got something. Oh yeah, absolutely sorry. This is not just like, well,
let's wait until all the facts come out. Okay, fair,
but this probably isn't going to end well now, they
didn't explain how this stuff sort of played out, some
of these illegal poker games that were taking place. Let's
(15:10):
take a listen to this gem from yesterday.
Speaker 9 (15:12):
The defendants in this case orchestrated a Skiing to use
wireless cheating technology to run rigged poker games across the
United States.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
The scheme targeted victims known.
Speaker 9 (15:25):
As quote phish, who were often lord to participate in
these rigged games by the chance to play alongside former
professional athletes who were known as quote face cards. The
so called face cards included the defendant Chauncey Billips, who
(15:45):
at the time of the scheme was a former.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
NBA player and is currently the head.
Speaker 9 (15:50):
Coach of the Portland Trailblazers, and also Damon Jones, a
former NBA player and coach.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
What the victims the fish didn't know is.
Speaker 9 (16:01):
That everybody else at the poker game, from the dealer
to the players, including the face.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Cards, were in on the scam.
Speaker 9 (16:09):
Once the game was underway, the defendants fleeced the victims
out of tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars per game.
The defendants used a variety of very sophisticated cheating technologies.
For example, they used off the shelf shuffling machines that
had been secretly altered in order to read the cards
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in the deck, predict which player at the table had
the best poker hand, and relay that information to an
off site operator. The off site operator sent the information
via cell phone back to a co conspirator at the table,
and together they used that information in order to win
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their games and to cheat the victims.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Crazy, man, it's crazy. That's only a lot of work.
Man's a lot of work. But I mean, you're hustling
six figures.
Speaker 8 (17:08):
But and then you know there's there's a beer player.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
They was getting hundreds, one hundred thousand plus out of
players just per per game.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Well, because these guys are probably like, man, I get
to yeah, I'll go play poker. I get to play
poker with Chauncey Billups. He's a Hall of Famer and
an NBA you know big you know, NBA champion and all,
Like I get to play with NBA players.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
Yeah, I want to go be a part of this.
Let's go hang out and play poker.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Ah shuck, she got me again for another fifteen grand,
not realizing Chauncey Billups has got glasses on that can
see secretly marked cards, like they're an X ray machine.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
You know what I'm curious about is how did this
become an investigation? Like how did the idea Like okay,
maybe it was flagged for the NBA games betting on
those games. Maybe it was flagged. I believe it was
mentioned because it was such a large amount put down
(18:06):
on on the rosier player not playing or whatever.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
So I don't know if this is the origin of it.
But there was a professional poker player named Matt Burke
who a couple of years ago was on a podcast
and he detailed these illegal poker games, and he talked
about Chauncey Billips being one of the guys at these
poker games. Oh and so I don't know if the
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FBI got caught wind of that and started then secretly
looking into.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
I've been a part of parties, bro. I can recall
when I played. You know, you go to parties and
bro the person had including my house, if you had
pool table in the house, there was going to be
gambling like so you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
And it was.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Cash bruh, like like a lot of money, like a
lot of money that was like being bet and being
thrown around. And it wasn't just yeah, it wasn't just pros.
It was like you know, regular everyday dudes. That was
a part of it too. And and and cats would
be like shooting craps, that would be like the biggest
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like the biggest thing was shooting crabs.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
But in saying that, you know, was there some sort
of secret behind behind their back deals where hey let's
fleece out these regular people?
Speaker 4 (19:35):
From what I think about it, like like think about it.
How how aware or any given amount of people to
a situation like that. So what I'm saying is is
how did it become common knowledge? So if you're saying
this guy said that, that's fine, Okay, this this this,
this guy says that the poker player says that this
(19:55):
was going on detailed it. I can understand how you
connected to untie Billups now because he said the name.
But is that to me? Is that how it got out?
How does this become an investigation? How do you link it?
Because put it to you like this, like people have
friend clicks, Like it's like sets, right, you have different clicks.
(20:17):
This seems like it's connected to all the same people, right,
Like there's like connective tissue and at least with with
Jones and Billups, right, not not the.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Best, not the basketball kid. That's a little different, right, Yeah,
that's a little rosier, is like that's.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
More singularly, But but I feel like Damon Jones and
Chauncey Billups is more related, Like there's a connective tissue.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
By the way, the basketball stuff is Operation nothing but
Net and the poker stuff is Operation Royal Flush.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Just to we're clear, I just like, to me, I
think there's got to be more.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I think it's probably something as simple as if there's
enough people involved, you increase your odds that somebody tells
somebody something.
Speaker 5 (21:02):
And but how do they know to tell you they're cheating?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Well, so, because as they were explaining that, everybody from
the dealers to the to all the other people involved,
including Chauncey Billups and you know the other one, like,
they all were in on the scam. And so look,
Chauncey Billups could have said something in passing. One of
the dealers, could have said something to to a buddy
of his who's a poker player, and be like, dude,
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you got to see what we're.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Pulling off these days.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
So we've got these guys that come in, Chauncey Billups
is there, and a lot like these guys aren't celebrities.
So I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility
that maybe a dealer or one of these guys is like,
oh yeah, I was hanging out with with with Chauncey
billups you know who that is, the NBA player, Yeah,
and listen, and we were part of a game together.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Yeah, like like like a couple of times champion.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
And I just think that there's when there's enough people involved,
somebody may have just said one thing and then it spread.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Like chance, Uh, what's the boxer's name, Adrian Broner. He's
a part of hustling NBA players in card games, Like
there was a whole thing on that where he you know,
and that was millions that was hitting the millions of
(22:16):
how I think high stakes poker, private poker games or whatever.
You hear about the arena situation. Now you're hearing about
Bill Upson and Jones, And I think again, the reason
why I'm asking how did this come about is because
there's probably that's culture, right. We heard about this when
(22:40):
Michael Jordan was playing, you know, when it went.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
As deep as people were alleging that maybe you know,
his gambling was so serious that you know, they connected
that to what happened to his pops, and that was
a story so gaming has always been a part of
sports culture.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
And look, there's also a lot of people who believe
that his time away to go play baseball was the
NBA saying take a walk for a little while, because
we know you're doing something on the side.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
I'm saying that's true. All I know. All I know is.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
If if there's smoke and fire with this particular situation,
there's probably twenty thirty more of them or more way
more of athletes doing the same exact things.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's like pds, Like they all of a sudden, we're
cracking down on peds and then every single year something
comes up where hey, so and so pissed hot, like happens,
like somebody's always gonna find some way to get an
edge or to go down this road before. Like, yeah,
I one hundred percent believe that there's either more out
there or there's probably a lot of guys that are
(23:50):
sweating their balls off right now.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
Like God, I hope they don't.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Hold that all come for me because it's so easy
if you're an NBA player and somebody hits you up
and be like, hey, so, how much you playing because
you're supposed to start it.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
You're coming off the bench.
Speaker 8 (24:02):
He's coming off the bench, dude, So could you do
me a favor?
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah? What's that like?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
If you have an open shot, you know, you know,
give it up, you know, give it to somebody else.
Because I got the under on eight and a half
points for you in this game tonight. It's like, all right, dude,
Like I see a guy in the corner. I'm gonna,
you know, trying up my assist. But I don't want
to score too many points because I just it's not
that hard. And look, Tim, Donnie and we played it earlier.
He's saying, well, I think you're going to see a
lot of this on the college level. Yes, and you
(24:30):
already have.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
You would assume it would be way more prevalent because
it's not as much money involved.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
And it's happened like because people are like, man, are
they really gonna get pissed because a lot of these
prop bets, you know, like the super Bowl does this
to where the Super Bowl's got prop bets to where
you can bet on the color of the gatorade or
you can bet on how long the national anthem is.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
You mean to tell me none.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Of those security guards that are working in the stadium
all the time. Aren't taking a peek at the gatorade,
aren't looking at the national app But you've had people
that have recorded it outside the stadium when they're in
rehearsals like.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Or WWF right WWE like you know, or you WrestleMania.
You can bet on that right places. And that stuff
is determined. It's already predetermined. So who's to say that
somebody who's helped predetermine it, like has that information, like
bet on this dude, yeah, bet the bank.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I'm just saying this opens up that, this opens up
the conversation really for everything.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, And it's like, you know, and that's the thing
about it is that with this stuff and a scandal
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Speaker 7 (25:53):
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Speaker 1 (25:53):
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Speaker 1 (26:46):
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Speaker 5 (26:46):
Hickey or Bruce Damn Shure.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
No, sure, Lee, Yeah, but technically, isn't that what a
hickey is?
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (26:56):
Yes, technically, when you give a hickey, you pull the
blood thingies up to the surface of the skin because
you suck on it so hard.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Got a vampire like cupping or whatever like this, it's
a bruise. Uh huh, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
You ever gotten cupped cupped that? Yeah, cupped with U
what's the acupuncture and all that stuff? Then they connect
the electrodes to you know, bruh, that's some wild junk
when they stick the needle in and it releases like that,
like the build up assets and stuff like that that
you be having like the works. Oh yeah, br you
(27:30):
can feel it released, be burning down. Yeah, it's crazy, man,
It's crazy the things that you can do for your
body to feel better and to function better. But like
most of us don't do it at all, ricey it's
just even stretching. How many people you think stretched during
(27:54):
the course of a day. But it could make your
life and your quality of life so much better if
you just stretch, Like take a good thirty forty minutes
to just stretch. So yoga is man telling you people
don't do it. But anyway, yeah, you always cockupuncture definitely
is a vibe.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
Like you always give the sight out of those weirdos
at the yoga studio next door.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
No, I don't I give a sad aye, so they
don't think I'm looking Yeah that catfish at that flounder eye.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Yeah, I'd be straight ahead. Yeah, staring, but.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
Uh, by the way, we are all hot there.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Way.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
We are going to to have another edition of The
Leftovers coming up here in about twelve minutes from now
here on FSRT is two Pros and a Cup of Joe.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Here.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Fox Sports Radio, LeVar Arrington Jonas knocks with you, Aaron Rodgers.
As we mentioned in our Picks against the Spread, one
of the games that we picked was the Packers at
the Steelers. This is Aaron rodgers first opportunity to see
his former team, the Green Bay Packers, although it's going
to be a home there at speaking of acupuncture at
(29:02):
Akroscher Stadium there in Pittsburgh, Aaron Rodgers did say and
pointed out that his career it started in Green Bay,
and you bet your ass that's where it's going to
finish up.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
I feel so good about my time, man, because the
in there.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Everything great in my life is because of you know,
my football career, and my football career starts.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
And we're in one day with with Green Bay.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
So we got a lot of love for all those
memories and a lot of great friends still carry with
me to this day.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
See, so there's always hope you could go back to Washington.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
No, that's a Hall of Fame goat football player for
that organization. I don't that wasn't my that wasn't in
my cards.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
How do you feel about how do you feel about
the one day contract and retiring with the team.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I think the sentimental value for those who have had
the type of careers that a guy like like Brian
Mitchell did that to retire as a commander.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
Is he going to get in the Hall of Fame
this year? He's up again. He should get then. I
don't understand why he hasn't gotten in. Hey, Devin Hester
got him? Was it last year?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (30:05):
But what I'm saying a little bit, I mean hopefully
hopefully it does. Uh but yeah, you know, I don't know, man,
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I just you know, I don't I don't have any
real feeling just uh.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Because Rogers made a point to say it's not really
a revenge game. He doesn't have anything, you know, against
the Packers organization. It's like he's getting further away from
those feelings. Like time tends to like numb the pain
or dull it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
But he's bro that's cap he wants to destroy the
Green Bay Packers, and I'm sure he'll say it after
the game is over. Whatever, Maybe he'll be more measured
because he is getting closer to the end of his
career and he's certainly not going to relate to any
of these teams he's with, like especially the Jets. Now,
(31:00):
I will say maybe with the Steelers stupid, that's my algorithm.
Maybe with the Steelers, depending on how this season goes
or how long he stays with them. But what we
give them three years tops, two years tops, what is it?
Speaker 5 (31:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I just don't think that right with any one of
these these either or Jets and Pittsburgh, that that will
be his community once he retires. It's one hundred percent
Green Bay, and so this makes sense to be measured
in what you say and maybe even start to create
some connection back to the Green Bay you know, Packer's community.
(31:43):
I mean, they still love them. If you talk to
any Green Bay fan, he didn't. Generally speaking, Green Bay
fans have no beef with Aaron Rodgers because they feel
like it wasn't on him. You know, some people feel
like you know, but a lot of people are still
big fans far Green Bay Packer farv.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Was different because he then he went and played in
Minnesota and it was like, all right, that's that's an
art tribal, you know, why would you go back there?
But Rogers and I also think part of what helps
him not feel any sort of resentment towards the organization
is his time with the Jets.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Because of anything, I think.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
His time with the Jets made him realize how good
he actually had it in Green Bay to where he's like, man,
I'm in a circus with a bunch of clowns. And
now he realized, because he's made mention of this, that
Pittsburgh kind of reminds him a little bit like Green
Bay to where it's the rich tradition, the fan base,
(32:39):
how well run the organization is, and much like with
the Steelers and the fact that they've had you know,
three head coaches since the sixties. Dude, the Packers have
had three quarterbacks since the mid nineties, like they've had
thirty years of Hall of Fame level quarterback play. And
then it remains to be seen with Jordan Love. But
I think Rogers got to New York with the Jets
(33:00):
and he looked around and realized this place sucks and
it just made him appreciate what he had in Green
Bay more so, I'm not surprised that there's still fond
feelings on both sides between both them, because he had
a hell of a run there, man. And so apparently
he's going to see his former team this weekend, and
he's going to retire eventually as a member of that
(33:20):
former team at some point what he decides to call
it a career, which, by the way, if it does
continue to go the way it's gone this.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Year out for him and the Staylors, do you do
you think he would come back for another year.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
He seems happy, and I think when you're happy, it
it creates a different level of okay once I hit
that offseason, is this something that I'm willing to invest
the time in to come back to? And I would
tend to say, I mean, he looks happy, which means
(33:54):
that maybe maybe there's the chance. Yeah, maybe there's the
chance maybe, but I don't give it pass. I do
not give it pass. Two to three, I would say
three tops, Yeah, I think that's a wrap on that.
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Speaker 3 (35:09):
Time to find out what's left incredible.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
Here's the leftover, hy ray, Ray, what do we got?
Speaker 11 (35:18):
I saw this really fun left over.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
Today, the timber Wolves are bringing back their Prince jersey
and they're matching the court to it.
Speaker 11 (35:27):
I'm so excited. It looks so cool.
Speaker 6 (35:29):
It has purple accents and it has the Prince symbol
right in the center of the court for fun.
Speaker 5 (35:35):
Purple rain on it.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Purple rain.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
Damn.
Speaker 11 (35:39):
Do you see it, Jonas? It is so pretty damn.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
And their jerseys are going, they're calling them it's for
their city edition.
Speaker 11 (35:46):
That's when they'll be wearing the Princes.
Speaker 8 (35:48):
Those are jerseys.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Those are brutal.
Speaker 11 (35:50):
You don't like it? No, Well, it's not exactly meant
for a vampire, so.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
It's very purplely I don't. I don't know that that's
meant for a man. To be honest with you, thanks,
sometimes I look femin it.
Speaker 11 (36:08):
Well, you know, people said that about Prince all the time.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
I'm looking at Prince.
Speaker 11 (36:13):
You know, he was a ladies' man.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I looked at him. Yeah, he was a man's man too.
Everybody looked that. I guess did he shop in that aisle?
I don't think so at all. I don't think so.
He just had that look. Hell of a talent though,
I mean could be the most talented a legitimate Wolves fan,
(36:39):
by the way, like really like they said, Cahoo, do
you remember the story from Charlie Murphy?
Speaker 5 (36:43):
They said, that was a true story.
Speaker 6 (36:48):
Well, if you want to see them debut it, it's
going to be November fifteenth on their Prince themed night
at the Target Center.
Speaker 11 (36:53):
So make sure you watch that.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Boy who knows, maybe maybe some people have money on.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
That game, They said, Crossover Gay was serious.
Speaker 11 (37:02):
Yes, snaps.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
All right.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
NHL player of the Columbus Blue Jackets Miles Wood, while
playing and protecting the goal, he took a stick up
to his left eye. He immediately dropped down to the ice.
He had to ask his trainer if he still had
his left eye.
Speaker 11 (37:23):
He said he could only see out of the right one.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
He needed eight stitches, four on the side of his
eye and four across the bridge of his nose.
Speaker 11 (37:30):
He also had to sleep sitting up for a.
Speaker 8 (37:32):
Week straight, so he still had the eye.
Speaker 6 (37:35):
Yes, he's been out for ten days, but when he
looks down into the left it's just black.
Speaker 11 (37:39):
He can only see shadows. He can't see anything.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
That's brutal by the way, sleeping upright, not that bad.
Speaker 11 (37:46):
Oh I hate it. I can't do it.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I could do it on an airplane, yeah, very easily. Yeah.
And I could do it in a rocking chair.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
What else, and a sweet recliner and a nice recliner recliner.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Yeah, you could do.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It airport and if you have one of those airplane pillows,
those ones that wrap around your neck, the neck roll.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Now I'm curious though, this man thought he had his
eyeball in his hand at one point.
Speaker 5 (38:15):
Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, right, I might have had to
put it back in.
Speaker 9 (38:20):
Look.
Speaker 6 (38:21):
Uh and I just thought about the hockey game. What
was it a year and a half, two years ago
where the man got his next Like, it's such a
dangerous set.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
Happened back in like the nineties, some guy, I think
maybe for the Islanders or somebody like that.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Yeah, skate came.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Up and that's why, that's why they started having those
extensions on the bottom of the goalie mass that would
cover their necks because these guys, you know, you you
you lose your skate, next thing you know, you're coming
up and you're not intentionally trying to gash somebody's neck.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
And nonetheless you can gash it, yeah, wild.
Speaker 6 (38:54):
Wild actually do speaking of eyeball in your You know,
pickleball is an up and coming sport.
Speaker 5 (39:03):
Is it still up in coming?
Speaker 11 (39:04):
Yes, and more people, which.
Speaker 6 (39:07):
Is why there's an increase in pickleball eye injuries.
Speaker 5 (39:10):
What wow.
Speaker 8 (39:12):
Yes.
Speaker 6 (39:12):
Approximately twenty million Americans choose to play that low impact,
and a lot of them are over the age of fifty,
so they have. Last year they saw over twelve hundred
eye injuries, including retinal detachment orbital fractures, and the doctors
are cautioning older players to be cautious because they could
suffer from vision loss if they get.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
Hurt hard enough.
Speaker 5 (39:33):
What it hit hard enough?
Speaker 11 (39:35):
Art hit injured?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Talk about an injury you can't brag about, sad man
that that's a nasty, nasty cut there? Where'd you get
that from pickleball?
Speaker 4 (39:43):
You ever heard the way that sounds coming off of
the racket. It has the most repulsive sound. It's coming
off of the rack.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
My neighbor plays it against the wall of her garage NonStop,
and my son couldn't figure out what it was. And
then he comes out and he's just watching her, and
I could just see even at four years old, the
disgust he had.
Speaker 5 (40:05):
That's what that sound was. And it wasn't even for
anything cool.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
It's not even like hitting a speedbag or anything or
not literally just like.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
A pa it's a repulsive noise.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
I can't stand away a pickleball sounds coming off the racket,
I can't. I can't stand it. It's ridiculous. But I'm
okay with ping pong and I'm okay with tennis, but
the pickleball, I ain't with it.
Speaker 8 (40:26):
Don't lose an eyeball, have a good weekend.
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