October 21, 2025 • 39 mins
To wrap up the last hour, the guys recap the Seahawks defeating the Texans as Houston continues to struggle on the offensive side of the ball, the guys admit they all took the L on not giving enough respect to the Seahawks in the AFC West+ FOX Sports Football Rules Analyst Dean Blandino stops by + AI Takeover/Nostalgia in the Leftovers!
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with our guy Dean Blandino. He'll be joining us here
in about twenty minutes from now. Lots to discuss as
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far as some of the missed calls, some of the
decisions made by the officiating crews across the land. In
the NFL this weekend, several people unhappy with some of
the calls in the Lions Bucks game. You also had
the Texans and Seahawks interesting moment where Jackson Smith and
Jigba on an interception from Sam Darnold got his helmet
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ripped off by Stingley and then was on the bench
with no helmet on, and an official at least stepped
over to cover him so nobody could get to Jackson
Smith and Jigba. So at least they got that right,
you know, they were protecting him so he didn't get
didn't get blown up on the sideline there.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So that was good for them. But the Houston Techson's.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That ain't good there.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, but here's then their defense is good, so there's that.
It's just offensively it's a problems, just a problem. So
we were talking about Bryce Young and you know, the
after one year, the thought was, man Bryce Young in
comparison to c J. Stroud, And now you're just sort
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of seeing it kind of level off a little bit.
Also of note, Mike Evans in the game last night,
looks like his thousand yard receiving streak is going to
come to an end with a broken clavicle. So I
felt like this year was a little and that actually
might be the end of his career, because he was
already hinting at the idea that this was going to
be it for him and he was going to move
on after this based on the toll it's taken on
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his body. And so if that's the case, we could
have seen the end of Mike Evans' career last night.
And it's been a damn good one.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I mean, I'm surely not going to kill off the
rest of his career, So I hope he gets gets
back healthy as a speedy recovery.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Know, I'm not gonna pull a Jonah Knocks on this one.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He was already hinting at that that this would be
his final year.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
And if.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm not gonna be the one that like it's like, oh,
it was the first to call it, so is Chris Over.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, I'm not like that look at me. You know,
that's other people the network on me. Jamir Gibbs was
a minace last night. He is so fun to watch,
Like there's a couple out there. We had bijon not
too you know long before on uh on Sunday Night
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football right on Sunday Night. Yeah, it's just very very
multi talented dude and and just super last Monday was
the last Monday. I mean, he's just a super talented dude.
When did Atlanta play this week? Didn't they play on
Sunday night?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I thought they played Sunday night Sunday night against the Niners,
but he didn't have the game that Yeah, but he's
just fun to watch though. Yeah. Yeah, he's still and
Jamier Gibbs is just he's I mean, he's in that
he's got to be in that conversation of like a
prime like Camora, like Alvin Kamara, not Kamora, Alvin Kamara,
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you know, like that type of like versatility and speed
and electricity in the way that that he's able to run.
Do you feel like all backs have to do that. Now, yeah,
you would think that they all have to do it,
but they all can't do it. And and that's that's
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the thing about it. When you get one that can
do it, go coast to coast like the way Derek
Henry does, it is different. Like he he can get
close to coast to coast, still close, they'll run him down,
but he's close to it. But for some strange reason,
he's able to break long ass runs. He's good enough,
athletic enough to break long runs. It's exciting to watch
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a man so big be able to run so fast.
There's like different things that make you excited to watch.
Like Saquon is like a powerful, quick, explosive type of
dude this year. I mean he is, but they just
they're just defensing him. But better boys coming going all in. No,
(05:15):
I really as he's anti Penn State. It's all right,
it's not true. You didn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
You ain't say anything about Michael Parsons is uh. Yesterday,
for the first time in his career, he's had a
three sack gam.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm just said multiple sacks. There you go, multiple he did,
but he didn't want to talk too much. About it.
I'm just saying two pro sitting down, you know, doing radio. No.
I brought up a pro.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I brought up Michael Parsons a vampire yesterday. I brought
Michael Parsons like this.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Is his hobby. Oh, come on, man, like he needed
a hobby before the sun came up, that that he
could talk to people and have I.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Was like, Scott all those hours.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Interaction with people because it's still dark outside. It's dark
when it's dark when he leaves, even the Sunday night
shows a night and everything that night. I'm telling you
that's because he can't have that light touching of the night. Yeah,
he got to be back in his coffin by the
time this moth Clivar saw me in the daylight one
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time in Arizona. That was crazy, dog, that was crazy. Literally,
it was like he was floating across the street man like,
and he stood out like a sore thump. I don't
I don't even know why, but it's like he just yep,
there he is. That's that's a vampire. Look at the
way he's moving, like, man, they don't even know they're
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walking like close to death. Like he could get hungry
and like just like just take it to somebody's neck.
You know that's crazy. They knew. Man, I was throwing
one up in the air too, like I had one
up in there. So I was already like I was chilling,
feeling feeling like, you know, chilling like a villain. And
then I looked and saw Jonas and I was like
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it scared me, like it was like, dang, like this
dude really is something different and cute. Then he turned
around and looked at me, like how did he feel
me looking at him from way up where I was at?
And it startled me, like it started the s startled me.
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I ain't gonna lie like that's not even a bit.
When you turned around and looked at me and noticed
it was me, I was like I was. I turned
You know how you try to look away quick when
you like somebody catches you staring at him, Like I
tried to look away like act like I didn't see.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You remove your eyes quickly.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He had already seen me though. It's like you know
how the in the movie is like did he see
that I saw him?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Do you keep garlic in your pocket? I mean when
I'm in here?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I mean this is hey Hey, Jonas decides to
go the wrong direction. Burn your ass right on.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Up, bro by the way, Brady, Uh, A little like housekeeping.
Here there's a bear and two cubs.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Walking around the neighborhood here.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Bear studio, Yeah, right here.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And so they're like, there's cops around looking for these
this bear in these two cubs.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Didn't Lord, didn't you like pull up and there's one
of your trash can or something the other spot.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I used to live. Yeah, wait, were you in the
car though? No? That that. I came walking out to
go to work because that's it's it's the hour of
the beer. Of course, you know when we're we're coming
into work there, you know, they come out at him,
fires and bears, Yeah, knocked down the trash and drug addicts.
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I came out and he was moving the trash can
like it was like a Campbell's soup can. He was
moving that can trash can around like it was like
no way at all, like it was nothing. And I
was like, hey, hey, hey, what are you doing? And
he comes up like and I didn't see how big
he was at first. I just saw the trash can
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moving when he came from up out from from behind
the trash can.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I was like, oh s bear lifted up his shirt.
He's like, we got problem.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
We got a problem, homie, we got a problem.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Who is he talking to?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He was big, head was big, he was big. I
don't know how he hit behind the trash can so well.
But I was like, oh, you could go ahead and
have that trash can, mister beer. I'm sorry. I'm sorry
to disturb you, don't you know. The bear laid down
on his back. He must have had some I don't
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know what he ate and how much of it he ate,
but after he saw me, after he saw me, he
laid down. Well, no, no, he walked across the street
first like like I'm gonna go over here, like I
don't need to mess with you, I'm gonna go over here.
But then he walked over to the neighbor's yard, knocked
over one of their trash cats, didn't see what he wanted,
and just laid down on his back. He must have
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already been full, laid down, went to sleep right there,
and he dropped the deuce right in front of the
house before too. And let me tell you something, a
beer deuce is crazy. That joint is crazy. Dog, what
are we talking about. I mean it was it was
just a big old flop flop flop flop flop pile
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up bro right there, right there? Who's going to scoop
that up? What pooper scooper are you using for that? One?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Need a wheelbarrel?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Apparently all I had to do was just throw it
in the uh in the trash can? Well yeah, I
mean apparently I don't need to flush it. I just
need to Although I don't want that. That was like
Andre the giant dip right there. I don't know that
that was going to work in a regular commode. Man. Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Listen, you know some some cultures that's that's accepted.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, that's crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Some rest say they do that there, so that's that's
how that works.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah for our friends by the way, listening in Seattle,
thoughts and prayers to the Mariners. But I would like
to speak on my bealf. I don't want to speak
on anybody else's baff. I don't remember where Brady had
the Seattle Seahawks finishing in that division. I was wrong,
had him finishing last in the NFC West. I want
to apologize. I want to apologize. How dare I think
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that the Arizona Cardinals were going to finish ahead of Seattle.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Like that defense, that defense is good enough to I.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Had Arizona winning the division.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
If you, okay, watch that game last night. The defense
was good enough to where Sam Donald didn't even play
that well.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think I had Seattle in last.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, I had Seattle last as well. My apologies, yep,
look at five and twelve.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah I had them last. Jeez. Good for I did
have the Cardinals with the bad season two though. So
all I know is it's all listen and sports. It
plays out, right, we could it does play out. That's
the that's the beauty of it all. Like you could
sit there and say what you want to say about
a team and feel what you want to feel about
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a team, and that team has the opportunity to do
one or two things. Either be what it is that
you said they were going to be, or be something
totally different. This team has chose to be different, you know,
good for them.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Speaking of By the way, speaking of yeah, speaking, it
is the NBA Open season.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
That right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Mean we got to make sure we check the box.
Talk about the NBA for a second, really we just
did exactly all right, perfect, We got an open.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Season, great Rockets, Thunder, Warriors, Lakers. Awesome, it's returning to NBC.
They've actually I heard that. You guys remember the old
nineteen ninety eight Tesh Yeah, round Ball Rock. But the
voiceover guy that that did the voiceover work, Yeah, John
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Tesh did round Ball Rock. The music, the guy who
did the voiceover work that we would listen to on
NBC back in the nineties when the Bulls were beating
the Jazz and the Sonics and all that, and the
final voiceover work.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't remember the being.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Vot the Chicago Bulls like you if you were talking
about dun dun dun.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
No no, dun dun no no, no, no, no no. The guy
for NBC, the guy for NBC.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I don't reme this might be the voiceover. No, that's
when you heard Marv Albert. Marv Albert will come in.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
It is okay, find the the in the opening to
the nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals. I think it's Jazz
Bulls was ninety eight. If you can find that, isn't
that whoever was calling the game? No, there's a voiceover
guy for NBC. I forget his name, but this this.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Show, I don't remember the name vocals I watch. It
would be in DS. I remember his name being d Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
what's his last name? Nuts? Damn?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Walk right into it again, Hey when that happened?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, whatever you knew it was?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's it's like the intro, the
NBC intro if you go to the NBA Finals in
nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Oh, this is interesting. Well, I'm curious to hear it now. Yeah, yeah,
I don't recall this.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I want to hear I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I don't even know what the sound sounds to.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
At least play the NBC music, the round Ball Rock, Yeah,
at least play that.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I think this is.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I think it's under beyond winning another title. The world's
most renowned.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Athlete has one goal coup to keep his team.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You might need an iron mass. You might need to
move it forward, all right, you move it forward.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Music is from the Man and the guys, and the
guy's going to be like Leonardo DiCaprio featuring the Chicago
Bulls and the Utah Jazz the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
They it'll probably come up after this. What you sound told?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
All right? Let's see. Yes, let's hear it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
All right, we're here.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
What we gotta find this guy?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
No way? Jonas telling you.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Right here?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
N this guy on nb remember this guy?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Remember the New.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
York Knicks versus the Chicago Boots.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You're a weirdo.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Okay, Well here's the here's the point that guy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It sounds like he's talking about the point is that guy?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
When is that guy's dead?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
But they're using AI to recreate his voice for the
open on NBC. Returning really to the coverage at the NBA.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Can you do that? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean it didn't sound good in the original version.
Don't Don't you need to.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Talk to the family or someone and be like, hey,
we're recreating this.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I mean, like, where do you draw the line with AI?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
There?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And well, I think it's was it Randy Travis who
signed over his rights, like he basically said, because he
had voice issues that now AI can recreate songs or
you know, if there's something Country.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Singer Randy Trum Yeah, yeah, dude, i'd be missing allen
stuff in football season. I don't know any of the
stuff that's going on outside of football wild.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, just the whole AI, and I think there is
an example. There's a sample of the AI version of
that guy's voice in present day and it sounds fantastic.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Jonas n eats a borl of spaghetti. Who did you
sound like? Justin me? Yeah, I'm trying to do yeah,
but you sound like somebody different. Well uually he's got
something in the sought of his mouth.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Jim Fagan. Yeah, no longer with us?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And what movie is that from the guy? What are
you talking about? People are dead?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Jonas bred just set in my ears. Jim Fagan, he
passed away in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, did great work, Jim doesn't feel sounded pretty corny
to me, but you know, sounded corny before it goes
out to attack a bear.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
No, no, no, no, no, we would hang out. All
the family gave their approval, all right, good. Yeah, so yeah,
it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
The NBA is back at NBC. I know we made
our picks, so I know. Kevin Durant, I don't feel
good about mine.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You guys all all right? Plus money. I was like, oh,
let's use this thing up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We'll see, well, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
We're going to see what's going on in the end
NFL when it comes to Dean Blandino and some of
the officiating. Right, So, Dean Blandino speaking of speaking some passion,
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Speaker 4 (18:56):
By the way, coming up here in about twenty minutes
from now, We're gonna have the leftovers here Tuesday morning.
But right now, Tela, you have a talk. Bring them
in with Dean Blandino, Fox Sports. Hey, bring Dane in
NFL college football rules analysts.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Bring them in.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
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Dean Blandino. Hey, hey, hey, bring them in Dean. Good morning.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You did.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
How excited? How excited you guys can't when you hear
that music.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So it's so good. It's good.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
We're trying to stay in character here.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
No, I know the Godfather impressions were pretty impressive bringing
in having nightma.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Hey, I had I had training for one of the best,
but that was really good.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Hey hey, oh yeah, I forgot the Godmother. You're having
a stroke? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Oh my gosh?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Hey hey, hey, hey, come here for a second being.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Now. I think sure you like outside a white conversion
van with tinted windows.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Indeed, I want to ask you this. It's kind of
a general question. I don't know if there's a way
to if there are numbers to support this. But and
this could be just because of social media, just because
of the number of camera angles, like what we're able
to see nowadays. But do you feel like officiating this
year is worse than it's been because it feels like
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there's more conversation about either miss calls. And I don't
know if that's just from how many people are watching
now and so there's more coverage of it. But what's
your read on how the officiating crews have done this year,
maybe as opposed to years in the past.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, I think that's that's something that I think we're
going to live with every year. I think the scrutiny
and the technology and how we how we evaluate and
critique officials is so much greater than it was. And
and so I think that narrative that that team is
going to be every year, I think you're gonna hear
here's some of that. I do listen. I mean, and
(21:26):
maybe this is just recency bias, but I like watching
the game last night the Lions, you know that I
didn't think that was a well officiated game, you know,
And I do feel like there's been some I think
replay there's the struggling in New York to some extent
(21:48):
with some of these deals. I mean, you watched the
couple of plays last night, Dan Campbell challenges and they
look at it and they're like, oh wait, we got
to go back and look at it again. And and
so you know, the game, if game gets faster. I
don't know if the officials are are better or worse
than they were two years ago, five years ago, ten
(22:09):
years ago, but it does feel like we're struggling in
some areas and and you know, and you gotta you know,
we're not always the early season. Everybody's kind of you know,
preseason isn't great. You're kind of getting we're going into
what now we gain? It's it's uh, I think we
got to like buckle up a little bit.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Dean.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
On that note, you know, we talked about the interception
by Mollett. What I heard you pronounce it? What was
originally a Kate reception? First off, how did you see
that play? And then help me understand how New York
and and I understand I guess the time of the
game and all that, but help me understand are.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The mechanics still the same where there has.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
To be a certain burden of proof from the angles
that you have for New York to overturn all but
they're still taking into consideration the call that was on
the field, right, They're not reofficiating the play.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, that's that's the standard. That's been the guiding principle,
that you're not reofficiating the play, going, Okay, what do
we think it's the ruling on the field is this,
and we need to see something clear that jumps out
that says it's not that and it needs to be changed.
And that was. You know, if I had to reofficiate
(23:27):
the play, i'd probably lean interception. But they ruled it
to catch otton right, I've had his hands on it.
I mean they were both fighting for it. The tie
goes to the receiver. I didn't think it was necessarily
it's a simultaneous catch, but it certainly was close. And
I didn't see enough to overturn that. And that's one
(23:47):
of those deals where and I learned that the hard
way in my own experience making decisions is I don't
have to just convince myself. The burden of proof is Okay.
I can show this video to one hundred people and
they would go, oh, yeah, absolutely, look I see it. Yep,
clearly that's an interception, and I just didn't think that
was the case.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So I guess just to follow up on that, then,
how do they make that call, like like and explain
to me simultaneous possession. Then my understanding of that is,
like if both players go up for it kind of
like they did that, it really just has to be
both of them have possession of it as they go
to the ground as the place stops.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, so yeah, something's possession has to be and it's
rare that you should but everything has to happen at
the same exact time. Like both players get control at
the same time. They both have to maintain that control
if one player loses it, even for split second, right,
so they have to make exact same time get control.
(24:50):
They both have to maintain that control all the way
to the end of in that instance, them going to
the ground. Most of the time it's kind of the
you know, because it's so hard at full speed, officials
are going to you know, survival of the fittest and
who ends up with it. That's typically what they're going
to rule, unless they you know, they saw something, you
know different. But so so that's that simultaneous possession. Like
(25:13):
I said, you can make a case that maybe that
was it, but again this I think whoever's making that
decision is using a I think standard versus what I
can actually prove standard and it's not an I think standard,
and I think that's what's happening in some of the instances.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
System Dan Baker Mayfield had some strong criticisms coming the
way of the officials. It made me wonder, like, you know,
guys immediately get get fine, whether it's a coach, whether
it's a player, and doing so, like what what does
that like? You know, where did that come from? What
(25:53):
does that achieve? Like you you can you could probably
criticize another coach, get away with it. You could criticize
another player from the other team, get away with it.
But if you say everything about officials, it's like you're
going to get a real stiff penalty coming your way
based off of that. Why was that established? Was it
(26:13):
just you know, based upon don't question the calls, just
just deal with it, like we're do you have an
idea where that even came from? The whole finding asct of.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
This, Well, you know, it goes back before my time.
But I think that's pretty it's standard, and that's across
all sports, and I get it. I get it to
some extent where you want to maintain the credibility of
your officials. You don't want players to just be able
to coach it or whatever, to just be able to
say whatever they want, because because I think that that
(26:43):
you can take it too far. I do think that
we've you know, it's you guys know it's better than me.
It's an emotional game at that level, especially Big is
coming off a tough loss. There weren't look, there was
you know, there was a tripping call. They missed on
a big you know, it's a big drive at the
end of the game, should have been a first down.
He's frustrated and he speaks his mind, and yeah, they'll
(27:07):
probably will be a fine because that's the policy.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I do.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
You know, I do think that there's a way, you know,
I don't think the league should every time somebody mentioned officiating.
I think you can. You can do it thoughtfully and
do it without being you know, disrespectful. It's just it's
a tough deal. And uh, you know, I would imagine
they're gonna they're probably gonna find them.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
They suspended Drake Greenlaw for for going after the official
after the game in Denver, which was crazy, which no
one even knew about until yesterday, and they announced it
and then the videos are popping up on social media.
So I get protecting the officials and protecting their credibility,
but also on the other side, and I lived this,
(27:50):
the league goes too far in terms of isolating and
insulating the officiating and not being transparent. And that's a
problem because and then people are going to be like,
you know, what is going on? And then you get
the conspiracy theories and get all the other stuff that
we see.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
He is Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports NFL college football rules analysts with us here
on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. So one
of the things that you mentioned this and kind of
alluded to it was is there enough to overturn it?
And I think that's a really fair way to look
at some of these close calls. Whether you're watching, you know,
major League Baseball, and there's a play at second base
(28:27):
or a play at the plate, it's like, yeah, but
is there enough there to overturn it? Even if it
looks slightly like you could, is there enough there? And
I say all that to say this, what did they
see in the TJ. Hawkinson catch and then no catch
that made them overturn that call because I cannot find
any angle anywhere where it looks like there was enough
(28:49):
there to overturn a touchdown catch to an incomplete pass.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah, you know, and I was we were watching the
game before, we were watching red zone before our our
game in Dallas and watching that play, and it was
and we all said, look, we're up in the booth froom,
like that's too close, you know, it did my I
think what they saw was Hoginson's going to the ground.
As he hits the ground, he kind of starts to
(29:16):
roll over and the ball touches the ground, and then
they ruled that it came loose at that point he
still has to hold on to it when he hits
the ground. I just thought that was another one.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
And again it's like, is the evidence, you know, eighty
five percent, ninety percent, even ninety nine point nine percent,
it's got to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
And so to me, that was just one of those
where if everybody is questioning why why why, then how
can it be clear and obvious? Right? And unless it's
just a rule thing that people don't understand, but that
wasn't the case. And again, it's just that's and obviously
you know he was frustrated, and rightfully so. But and
(30:00):
I've made those I've lived that when I early in
my career, where I could convince myself of something and
then I try to explain it to people, I go, Man,
I'm explaining this for ten minutes. How does that jump
out player? And obvious it just isn't. And I think
that's that's part of the issue right now.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
All right, I've got one for you.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Because so much is made of the toush push and
the play everything else. What was interesting this week though,
is we saw Christian McCaffrey with that game sealing touchdown
VERSU Atlanta on Sunday night, Yeah, getting pulled into the
end zone. And so I guess my question is because
I think what was Terry McAuley came on later and
said that it should have been helping the runner, which
(30:41):
is illegal.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Like, so we can't we can push them, we can't
pull them.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I mean, at what point do we kind of just
draw the line, Like why are we able to keep
that rule in the playbook even though we can't officiate
the push or we couldn't so we changed it, but
we can officiate the poll like it just it's like
it's I should be all in or all out on
aiding the run.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Is that the easiest way we could do this?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Agree? This is all This goes back to like mid
two thousands when and it look it hasn't been called,
and it was like the fish was like, it's so tough.
You got a pile, who's you know? Are you pushing
the pile? Are you're pushing your teammate? Are you pushing
the runner? And so they got rid of the push language.
But but it's lift. If a runner is on the ground,
(31:25):
you come and lift him up off the ground, or
you pull him to gain additionally yards. That's still remained
a foul in the rule book. It hasn't been called
in the NFL since like ninety three or night I
don't even know. So it's it's something that, yes, it
is hard, but there are a lot of things out
(31:45):
there that are hard to or difficult to officiate. So
I don't think that's the reason. To me, it's just
put it in, you know, in terms of the all
the push to pull, all the aiding the runner, just
take it out with put the ru rulebook language in teach.
The officials call it a couple of times, and yeah,
you're gonna call that once at the goal line, and
(32:06):
now you go from a touchdown to you know whatever,
it is, second and goal at the twelve. That's that's
teams won't won't do it, and that's that's the hope
that they can get it done in the off season.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Dan, how many variations of the same type of calls?
Like do you get complaints on like weekly? Like is
it new variations or is it all the same? Like
how does it come your way in terms of questions
you're asked, because I mean, in theory, there can only
be so many things that could take place within the
(32:39):
parameters of the same right, Like do you do you
find yourself getting a wide array of a perspective on
how calls are being made and how officiating is taking
place or is it a is it a narrow like
is it a more narrow scope of these plays? Are
are jacked up? Or holding? Or pass interferencely? You know
(33:00):
stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Well, I go back to when I was at the
league office and we'd get coaches questions and each team
could submit up to ten questions and you would get
it and you would go through it and the majority
of questions from clubs was about holding offensive holding, because
it is very subjective. There's you know, the old thing
you call holding on every play. I don't think that's true,
(33:21):
but there is an opportunity to call holding on every
play because offensive linemen use their hands and grab and
do different things, so that looked like holding. So offensive
holding was always the most frequent question I think as
an analyst and people that text me and ask questions,
I think past difference is always something, even offensive past difference.
(33:44):
I think that's something that people even and the officials.
It's the most missed call every year you do an analysis,
and the one the official struggle with most historically is
offensive past difference because it's so hard because it's the deef,
is a defender initiate, the contact, is the receiver running around,
is the receiver you know, is the receiver extending the arms?
(34:06):
All these to push off, all these different things, so
it is I get questions about everything, but typically when
my phone blows up, it's like usually the big stuff
that people are like, what the heck is going on?
Like last night with you know, the out and play
and then the challenge where they went back and looked
at it again, those types of things, but it does,
(34:29):
it does kind of. I get a lot. It's a
smortage sport.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
He used the great Dean Blandino, Fox Sports NFL College
football rules analyst, get.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Him hunt at smortgage board tremendous is always. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Have a great day at day.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
I'll leave you guys with a challenge for the rest
of your time on the air today. How many times
can you say schmortgage sport? Okay, mortgage.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Well, that is a challenge even saying it. Dean, we
appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
There he is a great Dean. Blame Beto with us
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
By the way, that's a word you're gonna stay away from.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Huh board schmorgasbord. Yeah, that's that feels like it's part
of that. Yeah.
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Speaker 5 (36:14):
Time to find out what's left Towns Incredibles.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Here's the left over all, Right, what do we got?
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Well?
Speaker 10 (36:22):
I did a little more research after your last segment
about Jim Fagan.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Fagan, Yes, so we have his original version.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
When we're going to compare the real one to the
AI version, and we're going to see if we can
tell the difference.
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Speaker 10 (36:55):
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because AI sounds better.
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Speaker 1 (37:21):
You don't hear like the I'm sure he smoked cigars
or smoked because you hear the gravel a little bit
in his voice.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
It's just very clear. Yeah, it's like to clear.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
It doesn't it doesn't sound like human where there's a
little bit of that. Not perfect, you know, it's clear.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's a little jarring. Play the first one again, though
it's the NBA, NBC NBA.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
I think obviously the levels are better in the newer
twenty twelve, twenty five version, more clear, because nineteen ninety
eight your audio is going to be a lot different
back then. I do want to play not what his
daughter had to say, more curious about how family found,
His daughter said, they are deeply grateful that NBC Sports
had the vision to honor our father's legacy in such
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(38:13):
be a part of this. It's been a true pleasure
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Speaker 2 (38:17):
Working with them on this project. They're getting broke off
for Sorry, yeah you think so? Oh hell yeah, I
mean a residual. I don't think it's going to be
broke off. Yeah I was remember that. Yeah, I mean
knowing you what you mean money?
Speaker 10 (38:35):
Maybe you got an.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I'm just talking about the tank nasty, the NBA breaking
her off for daddy voice, Daddy for your daddy voice.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Okay, al I saw this. It will kind of fun. Actually,
might want to participate.
Speaker 10 (39:02):
Denver is hosting a thirty one mile run where the
racers have to want to billy consume Taco Bell.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
They have to eat time.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Go ahead, everybody vomiting on the street. That's ridiculous, run right,
you run?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Okay, thirty males Taco Bell doing thirty miles of running
and eating taco bell. God, you imagine how many never mass.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I think they're gonna have to wear diapers?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
How would you do that? Yeah, that's bad, that's just.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
No knock on Taco Bell.
Speaker 10 (39:36):
If you had to pick one thing to eat, the
whole race. What would you choose off the Taco Bell menu.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I don't know. Water, there you go, good one.
Speaker 10 (39:45):
I like their little cinnamon bolt balls. They're so good
with the cream in the center.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
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in about twenty minutes from now. Lots to discuss as
(01:17):
far as some of the missed calls, some of the
decisions made by the officiating crews across the land. In
the NFL this weekend, several people unhappy with some of
the calls in the Lions Bucks game. You also had
the Texans and Seahawks interesting moment where Jackson Smith and
Jigba on an interception from Sam Darnold got his helmet
(01:40):
ripped off by Stingley and then was on the bench
with no helmet on, and an official at least stepped
over to cover him so nobody could get to Jackson
Smith and Jigba. So at least they got that right,
you know, they were protecting him so he didn't get
didn't get blown up on the sideline there.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
So that was good for them. But the Houston Techson's.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
That ain't good there.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Well, but here's then their defense is good, so there's that.
It's just offensively it's a problems, just a problem. So
we were talking about Bryce Young and you know, the
after one year, the thought was, man Bryce Young in
comparison to c J. Stroud, And now you're just sort
(02:23):
of seeing it kind of level off a little bit.
Also of note, Mike Evans in the game last night,
looks like his thousand yard receiving streak is going to
come to an end with a broken clavicle. So I
felt like this year was a little and that actually
might be the end of his career, because he was
already hinting at the idea that this was going to
be it for him and he was going to move
on after this based on the toll it's taken on
(02:45):
his body. And so if that's the case, we could
have seen the end of Mike Evans' career last night.
And it's been a damn good one.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I mean, I'm surely not going to kill off the
rest of his career, So I hope he gets gets
back healthy as a speedy recovery.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Know, I'm not gonna pull a Jonah Knocks on this one.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
He was already hinting at that that this would be
his final year.
Speaker 5 (03:05):
And if.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I'm not gonna be the one that like it's like, oh,
it was the first to call it, so is Chris Over.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
No, I'm not like that look at me. You know,
that's other people the network on me. Jamir Gibbs was
a minace last night. He is so fun to watch,
Like there's a couple out there. We had bijon not
too you know long before on uh on Sunday Night
(03:33):
football right on Sunday Night. Yeah, it's just very very
multi talented dude and and just super last Monday was
the last Monday. I mean, he's just a super talented dude.
When did Atlanta play this week? Didn't they play on
Sunday night?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
I thought they played Sunday night Sunday night against the Niners,
but he didn't have the game that Yeah, but he's
just fun to watch though. Yeah. Yeah, he's still and
Jamier Gibbs is just he's I mean, he's in that
he's got to be in that conversation of like a
prime like Camora, like Alvin Kamara, not Kamora, Alvin Kamara,
(04:11):
you know, like that type of like versatility and speed
and electricity in the way that that he's able to run.
Do you feel like all backs have to do that. Now, yeah,
you would think that they all have to do it,
but they all can't do it. And and that's that's
(04:32):
the thing about it. When you get one that can
do it, go coast to coast like the way Derek
Henry does, it is different. Like he he can get
close to coast to coast, still close, they'll run him down,
but he's close to it. But for some strange reason,
he's able to break long ass runs. He's good enough,
athletic enough to break long runs. It's exciting to watch
(04:55):
a man so big be able to run so fast.
There's like different things that make you excited to watch.
Like Saquon is like a powerful, quick, explosive type of
dude this year. I mean he is, but they just
they're just defensing him. But better boys coming going all in. No,
(05:15):
I really as he's anti Penn State. It's all right,
it's not true. You didn't say anything.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
You ain't say anything about Michael Parsons is uh. Yesterday,
for the first time in his career, he's had a
three sack gam.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I'm just said multiple sacks. There you go, multiple he did,
but he didn't want to talk too much. About it.
I'm just saying two pro sitting down, you know, doing radio. No.
I brought up a pro.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
I brought up Michael Parsons a vampire yesterday. I brought
Michael Parsons like this.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Is his hobby. Oh, come on, man, like he needed
a hobby before the sun came up, that that he
could talk to people and have I.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
Was like, Scott all those hours.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Interaction with people because it's still dark outside. It's dark
when it's dark when he leaves, even the Sunday night
shows a night and everything that night. I'm telling you
that's because he can't have that light touching of the night. Yeah,
he got to be back in his coffin by the
time this moth Clivar saw me in the daylight one
(06:18):
time in Arizona. That was crazy, dog, that was crazy. Literally,
it was like he was floating across the street man like,
and he stood out like a sore thump. I don't
I don't even know why, but it's like he just yep,
there he is. That's that's a vampire. Look at the
way he's moving, like, man, they don't even know they're
(06:40):
walking like close to death. Like he could get hungry
and like just like just take it to somebody's neck.
You know that's crazy. They knew. Man, I was throwing
one up in the air too, like I had one
up in there. So I was already like I was chilling,
feeling feeling like, you know, chilling like a villain. And
then I looked and saw Jonas and I was like
(07:01):
it scared me, like it was like, dang, like this
dude really is something different and cute. Then he turned
around and looked at me, like how did he feel
me looking at him from way up where I was at?
And it startled me, like it started the s startled me.
(07:22):
I ain't gonna lie like that's not even a bit.
When you turned around and looked at me and noticed
it was me, I was like I was. I turned
You know how you try to look away quick when
you like somebody catches you staring at him, Like I
tried to look away like act like I didn't see.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You remove your eyes quickly.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
He had already seen me though. It's like you know
how the in the movie is like did he see
that I saw him?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Do you keep garlic in your pocket? I mean when
I'm in here?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, I mean this is hey Hey, Jonas decides to
go the wrong direction. Burn your ass right on.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Up, bro by the way, Brady, Uh, A little like housekeeping.
Here there's a bear and two cubs.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Walking around the neighborhood here.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Bear studio, Yeah, right here.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
And so they're like, there's cops around looking for these
this bear in these two cubs.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Didn't Lord, didn't you like pull up and there's one
of your trash can or something the other spot.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
I used to live. Yeah, wait, were you in the
car though? No? That that. I came walking out to
go to work because that's it's it's the hour of
the beer. Of course, you know when we're we're coming
into work there, you know, they come out at him,
fires and bears, Yeah, knocked down the trash and drug addicts.
(08:43):
I came out and he was moving the trash can
like it was like a Campbell's soup can. He was
moving that can trash can around like it was like
no way at all, like it was nothing. And I
was like, hey, hey, hey, what are you doing? And
he comes up like and I didn't see how big
he was at first. I just saw the trash can
(09:05):
moving when he came from up out from from behind
the trash can.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
I was like, oh s bear lifted up his shirt.
He's like, we got problem.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
We got a problem, homie, we got a problem.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Who is he talking to?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
He was big, head was big, he was big. I
don't know how he hit behind the trash can so well.
But I was like, oh, you could go ahead and
have that trash can, mister beer. I'm sorry. I'm sorry
to disturb you, don't you know. The bear laid down
on his back. He must have had some I don't
(09:43):
know what he ate and how much of it he ate,
but after he saw me, after he saw me, he
laid down. Well, no, no, he walked across the street
first like like I'm gonna go over here, like I
don't need to mess with you, I'm gonna go over here.
But then he walked over to the neighbor's yard, knocked
over one of their trash cats, didn't see what he wanted,
and just laid down on his back. He must have
(10:04):
already been full, laid down, went to sleep right there,
and he dropped the deuce right in front of the
house before too. And let me tell you something, a
beer deuce is crazy. That joint is crazy. Dog, what
are we talking about. I mean it was it was
just a big old flop flop flop flop flop pile
(10:25):
up bro right there, right there? Who's going to scoop
that up? What pooper scooper are you using for that? One?
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Need a wheelbarrel?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Apparently all I had to do was just throw it
in the uh in the trash can? Well yeah, I
mean apparently I don't need to flush it. I just
need to Although I don't want that. That was like
Andre the giant dip right there. I don't know that
that was going to work in a regular commode. Man. Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Listen, you know some some cultures that's that's accepted.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yeah, that's crazy to me.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
Some rest say they do that there, so that's that's
how that works.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
But that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Yeah for our friends by the way, listening in Seattle,
thoughts and prayers to the Mariners. But I would like
to speak on my bealf. I don't want to speak
on anybody else's baff. I don't remember where Brady had
the Seattle Seahawks finishing in that division. I was wrong,
had him finishing last in the NFC West. I want
to apologize. I want to apologize. How dare I think
(11:25):
that the Arizona Cardinals were going to finish ahead of Seattle.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Like that defense, that defense is good enough to I.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Had Arizona winning the division.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
If you, okay, watch that game last night. The defense
was good enough to where Sam Donald didn't even play
that well.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think I had Seattle in last.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Yeah, I had Seattle last as well. My apologies, yep,
look at five and twelve.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah I had them last. Jeez. Good for I did
have the Cardinals with the bad season two though. So
all I know is it's all listen and sports. It
plays out, right, we could it does play out. That's
the that's the beauty of it all. Like you could
sit there and say what you want to say about
a team and feel what you want to feel about
(12:11):
a team, and that team has the opportunity to do
one or two things. Either be what it is that
you said they were going to be, or be something
totally different. This team has chose to be different, you know,
good for them.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Speaking of By the way, speaking of yeah, speaking, it
is the NBA Open season.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
That right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Mean we got to make sure we check the box.
Talk about the NBA for a second, really we just
did exactly all right, perfect, We got an open.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
Season, great Rockets, Thunder, Warriors, Lakers. Awesome, it's returning to NBC.
They've actually I heard that. You guys remember the old
nineteen ninety eight Tesh Yeah, round Ball Rock. But the
voiceover guy that that did the voiceover work, Yeah, John
(12:59):
Tesh did round Ball Rock. The music, the guy who
did the voiceover work that we would listen to on
NBC back in the nineties when the Bulls were beating
the Jazz and the Sonics and all that, and the
final voiceover work.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
I don't remember the being.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Vot the Chicago Bulls like you if you were talking
about dun dun dun.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
No no, dun dun no no, no, no, no no. The guy
for NBC, the guy for NBC.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I don't reme this might be the voiceover. No, that's
when you heard Marv Albert. Marv Albert will come in.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
It is okay, find the the in the opening to
the nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals. I think it's Jazz
Bulls was ninety eight. If you can find that, isn't
that whoever was calling the game? No, there's a voiceover
guy for NBC. I forget his name, but this this.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Show, I don't remember the name vocals I watch. It
would be in DS. I remember his name being d Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
what's his last name? Nuts? Damn?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Walk right into it again, Hey when that happened?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, whatever you knew it was?
Speaker 4 (14:07):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, it's it's like the intro, the
NBC intro if you go to the NBA Finals in
nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Oh, this is interesting. Well, I'm curious to hear it now. Yeah, yeah,
I don't recall this.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I want to hear I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I don't even know what the sound sounds to.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
At least play the NBC music, the round Ball Rock, Yeah,
at least play that.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I think this is.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I think it's under beyond winning another title. The world's
most renowned.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Athlete has one goal coup to keep his team.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You might need an iron mass. You might need to
move it forward, all right, you move it forward.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Music is from the Man and the guys, and the
guy's going to be like Leonardo DiCaprio featuring the Chicago
Bulls and the Utah Jazz the NBA Finals.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
They it'll probably come up after this. What you sound told?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
All right? Let's see. Yes, let's hear it.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
All right, we're here.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
What we gotta find this guy?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
No way? Jonas telling you.
Speaker 5 (15:28):
Right here?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
N this guy on nb remember this guy?
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Remember the New.
Speaker 6 (15:35):
York Knicks versus the Chicago Boots.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
You're a weirdo.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Okay, Well here's the here's the point that guy.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
It sounds like he's talking about the point is that guy?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
When is that guy's dead?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
But they're using AI to recreate his voice for the
open on NBC. Returning really to the coverage at the NBA.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Can you do that? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean it didn't sound good in the original version.
Don't Don't you need to.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Talk to the family or someone and be like, hey,
we're recreating this.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I mean, like, where do you draw the line with AI?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
There?
Speaker 4 (16:12):
And well, I think it's was it Randy Travis who
signed over his rights, like he basically said, because he
had voice issues that now AI can recreate songs or
you know, if there's something Country.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Singer Randy Trum Yeah, yeah, dude, i'd be missing allen
stuff in football season. I don't know any of the
stuff that's going on outside of football wild.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, just the whole AI, and I think there is
an example. There's a sample of the AI version of
that guy's voice in present day and it sounds fantastic.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Jonas n eats a borl of spaghetti. Who did you
sound like? Justin me? Yeah, I'm trying to do yeah,
but you sound like somebody different. Well uually he's got
something in the sought of his mouth.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Jim Fagan. Yeah, no longer with us?
Speaker 2 (17:04):
And what movie is that from the guy? What are
you talking about? People are dead?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Jonas bred just set in my ears. Jim Fagan, he
passed away in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, did great work, Jim doesn't feel sounded pretty corny
to me, but you know, sounded corny before it goes
out to attack a bear.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
No, no, no, no, no, we would hang out. All
the family gave their approval, all right, good. Yeah, so yeah,
it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Man.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
The NBA is back at NBC. I know we made
our picks, so I know. Kevin Durant, I don't feel
good about mine.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
You guys all all right? Plus money. I was like, oh,
let's use this thing up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
We'll see, well, we'll see.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
We're going to see what's going on in the end
NFL when it comes to Dean Blandino and some of
the officiating. Right, So, Dean Blandino speaking of speaking some passion,
all right, The Godfather music is waiting. It is ready
for the arrival of Dean Blandino, and he's yours. Next
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Speaker 4 (18:56):
By the way, coming up here in about twenty minutes
from now, We're gonna have the leftovers here Tuesday morning.
But right now, Tela, you have a talk. Bring them
in with Dean Blandino, Fox Sports. Hey, bring Dane in
NFL college football rules analysts.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Bring them in.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
You get them on X if you dare to at
Dean Blandino. Hey, hey, hey, bring them in Dean. Good morning.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
You did.
Speaker 5 (19:28):
How excited? How excited you guys can't when you hear
that music.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
So it's so good. It's good.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
We're trying to stay in character here.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
No, I know the Godfather impressions were pretty impressive bringing
in having nightma.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Hey, I had I had training for one of the best,
but that was really good.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
Hey hey, oh yeah, I forgot the Godmother. You're having
a stroke? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Oh my gosh?
Speaker 4 (20:11):
Hey hey, hey, hey, come here for a second being.
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Now. I think sure you like outside a white conversion
van with tinted windows.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
Indeed, I want to ask you this. It's kind of
a general question. I don't know if there's a way
to if there are numbers to support this. But and
this could be just because of social media, just because
of the number of camera angles, like what we're able
to see nowadays. But do you feel like officiating this
year is worse than it's been because it feels like
(20:50):
there's more conversation about either miss calls. And I don't
know if that's just from how many people are watching
now and so there's more coverage of it. But what's
your read on how the officiating crews have done this year,
maybe as opposed to years in the past.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Yeah, I think that's that's something that I think we're
going to live with every year. I think the scrutiny
and the technology and how we how we evaluate and
critique officials is so much greater than it was. And
and so I think that narrative that that team is
going to be every year, I think you're gonna hear
here's some of that. I do listen. I mean, and
(21:26):
maybe this is just recency bias, but I like watching
the game last night the Lions, you know that I
didn't think that was a well officiated game, you know,
And I do feel like there's been some I think
replay there's the struggling in New York to some extent
(21:48):
with some of these deals. I mean, you watched the
couple of plays last night, Dan Campbell challenges and they
look at it and they're like, oh wait, we got
to go back and look at it again. And and
so you know, the game, if game gets faster. I
don't know if the officials are are better or worse
than they were two years ago, five years ago, ten
(22:09):
years ago, but it does feel like we're struggling in
some areas and and you know, and you gotta you know,
we're not always the early season. Everybody's kind of you know,
preseason isn't great. You're kind of getting we're going into
what now we gain? It's it's uh, I think we
got to like buckle up a little bit.
Speaker 7 (22:29):
Dean.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
On that note, you know, we talked about the interception
by Mollett. What I heard you pronounce it? What was
originally a Kate reception? First off, how did you see
that play? And then help me understand how New York
and and I understand I guess the time of the
game and all that, but help me understand are.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
The mechanics still the same where there has.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
To be a certain burden of proof from the angles
that you have for New York to overturn all but
they're still taking into consideration the call that was on
the field, right, They're not reofficiating the play.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Yeah, that's that's the standard. That's been the guiding principle,
that you're not reofficiating the play, going, Okay, what do
we think it's the ruling on the field is this,
and we need to see something clear that jumps out
that says it's not that and it needs to be changed.
And that was. You know, if I had to reofficiate
(23:27):
the play, i'd probably lean interception. But they ruled it
to catch otton right, I've had his hands on it.
I mean they were both fighting for it. The tie
goes to the receiver. I didn't think it was necessarily
it's a simultaneous catch, but it certainly was close. And
I didn't see enough to overturn that. And that's one
(23:47):
of those deals where and I learned that the hard
way in my own experience making decisions is I don't
have to just convince myself. The burden of proof is Okay.
I can show this video to one hundred people and
they would go, oh, yeah, absolutely, look I see it. Yep,
clearly that's an interception, and I just didn't think that
was the case.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
So I guess just to follow up on that, then,
how do they make that call, like like and explain
to me simultaneous possession. Then my understanding of that is,
like if both players go up for it kind of
like they did that, it really just has to be
both of them have possession of it as they go
to the ground as the place stops.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Yeah, so yeah, something's possession has to be and it's
rare that you should but everything has to happen at
the same exact time. Like both players get control at
the same time. They both have to maintain that control
if one player loses it, even for split second, right,
so they have to make exact same time get control.
(24:50):
They both have to maintain that control all the way
to the end of in that instance, them going to
the ground. Most of the time it's kind of the
you know, because it's so hard at full speed, officials
are going to you know, survival of the fittest and
who ends up with it. That's typically what they're going
to rule, unless they you know, they saw something, you
know different. But so so that's that simultaneous possession. Like
(25:13):
I said, you can make a case that maybe that
was it, but again this I think whoever's making that
decision is using a I think standard versus what I
can actually prove standard and it's not an I think standard,
and I think that's what's happening in some of the instances.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
System Dan Baker Mayfield had some strong criticisms coming the
way of the officials. It made me wonder, like, you know,
guys immediately get get fine, whether it's a coach, whether
it's a player, and doing so, like what what does
that like? You know, where did that come from? What
(25:53):
does that achieve? Like you you can you could probably
criticize another coach, get away with it. You could criticize
another player from the other team, get away with it.
But if you say everything about officials, it's like you're
going to get a real stiff penalty coming your way
based off of that. Why was that established? Was it
(26:13):
just you know, based upon don't question the calls, just
just deal with it, like we're do you have an
idea where that even came from? The whole finding asct of.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
This, Well, you know, it goes back before my time.
But I think that's pretty it's standard, and that's across
all sports, and I get it. I get it to
some extent where you want to maintain the credibility of
your officials. You don't want players to just be able
to coach it or whatever, to just be able to
say whatever they want, because because I think that that
(26:43):
you can take it too far. I do think that
we've you know, it's you guys know it's better than me.
It's an emotional game at that level, especially Big is
coming off a tough loss. There weren't look, there was
you know, there was a tripping call. They missed on
a big you know, it's a big drive at the
end of the game, should have been a first down.
He's frustrated and he speaks his mind, and yeah, they'll
(27:07):
probably will be a fine because that's the policy.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
I do.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
You know, I do think that there's a way, you know,
I don't think the league should every time somebody mentioned officiating.
I think you can. You can do it thoughtfully and
do it without being you know, disrespectful. It's just it's
a tough deal. And uh, you know, I would imagine
they're gonna they're probably gonna find them.
Speaker 9 (27:29):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:29):
They suspended Drake Greenlaw for for going after the official
after the game in Denver, which was crazy, which no
one even knew about until yesterday, and they announced it
and then the videos are popping up on social media.
So I get protecting the officials and protecting their credibility,
but also on the other side, and I lived this,
(27:50):
the league goes too far in terms of isolating and
insulating the officiating and not being transparent. And that's a
problem because and then people are going to be like,
you know, what is going on? And then you get
the conspiracy theories and get all the other stuff that
we see.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
He is Dean Blandino joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports NFL college football rules analysts with us here
on Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. So one
of the things that you mentioned this and kind of
alluded to it was is there enough to overturn it?
And I think that's a really fair way to look
at some of these close calls. Whether you're watching, you know,
major League Baseball, and there's a play at second base
(28:27):
or a play at the plate, it's like, yeah, but
is there enough there to overturn it? Even if it
looks slightly like you could, is there enough there? And
I say all that to say this, what did they
see in the TJ. Hawkinson catch and then no catch
that made them overturn that call because I cannot find
any angle anywhere where it looks like there was enough
(28:49):
there to overturn a touchdown catch to an incomplete pass.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah, you know, and I was we were watching the
game before, we were watching red zone before our our
game in Dallas and watching that play, and it was
and we all said, look, we're up in the booth froom,
like that's too close, you know, it did my I
think what they saw was Hoginson's going to the ground.
As he hits the ground, he kind of starts to
(29:16):
roll over and the ball touches the ground, and then
they ruled that it came loose at that point he
still has to hold on to it when he hits
the ground. I just thought that was another one.
Speaker 9 (29:27):
And again it's like, is the evidence, you know, eighty
five percent, ninety percent, even ninety nine point nine percent,
it's got to be one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
And so to me, that was just one of those
where if everybody is questioning why why why, then how
can it be clear and obvious? Right? And unless it's
just a rule thing that people don't understand, but that
wasn't the case. And again, it's just that's and obviously
you know he was frustrated, and rightfully so. But and
(30:00):
I've made those I've lived that when I early in
my career, where I could convince myself of something and
then I try to explain it to people, I go, Man,
I'm explaining this for ten minutes. How does that jump
out player? And obvious it just isn't. And I think
that's that's part of the issue right now.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
All right, I've got one for you.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Because so much is made of the toush push and
the play everything else. What was interesting this week though,
is we saw Christian McCaffrey with that game sealing touchdown
VERSU Atlanta on Sunday night, Yeah, getting pulled into the
end zone. And so I guess my question is because
I think what was Terry McAuley came on later and
said that it should have been helping the runner, which
(30:41):
is illegal.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Like, so we can't we can push them, we can't
pull them.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
I mean, at what point do we kind of just
draw the line, Like why are we able to keep
that rule in the playbook even though we can't officiate
the push or we couldn't so we changed it, but
we can officiate the poll like it just it's like
it's I should be all in or all out on
aiding the run.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Is that the easiest way we could do this?
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Agree? This is all This goes back to like mid
two thousands when and it look it hasn't been called,
and it was like the fish was like, it's so tough.
You got a pile, who's you know? Are you pushing
the pile? Are you're pushing your teammate? Are you pushing
the runner? And so they got rid of the push language.
But but it's lift. If a runner is on the ground,
(31:25):
you come and lift him up off the ground, or
you pull him to gain additionally yards. That's still remained
a foul in the rule book. It hasn't been called
in the NFL since like ninety three or night I
don't even know. So it's it's something that, yes, it
is hard, but there are a lot of things out
(31:45):
there that are hard to or difficult to officiate. So
I don't think that's the reason. To me, it's just
put it in, you know, in terms of the all
the push to pull, all the aiding the runner, just
take it out with put the ru rulebook language in teach.
The officials call it a couple of times, and yeah,
you're gonna call that once at the goal line, and
(32:06):
now you go from a touchdown to you know whatever,
it is, second and goal at the twelve. That's that's
teams won't won't do it, and that's that's the hope
that they can get it done in the off season.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Dan, how many variations of the same type of calls?
Like do you get complaints on like weekly? Like is
it new variations or is it all the same? Like
how does it come your way in terms of questions
you're asked, because I mean, in theory, there can only
be so many things that could take place within the
(32:39):
parameters of the same right, Like do you do you
find yourself getting a wide array of a perspective on
how calls are being made and how officiating is taking
place or is it a is it a narrow like
is it a more narrow scope of these plays? Are
are jacked up? Or holding? Or pass interferencely? You know
(33:00):
stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
Well, I go back to when I was at the
league office and we'd get coaches questions and each team
could submit up to ten questions and you would get
it and you would go through it and the majority
of questions from clubs was about holding offensive holding, because
it is very subjective. There's you know, the old thing
you call holding on every play. I don't think that's true,
(33:21):
but there is an opportunity to call holding on every
play because offensive linemen use their hands and grab and
do different things, so that looked like holding. So offensive
holding was always the most frequent question I think as
an analyst and people that text me and ask questions,
I think past difference is always something, even offensive past difference.
(33:44):
I think that's something that people even and the officials.
It's the most missed call every year you do an analysis,
and the one the official struggle with most historically is
offensive past difference because it's so hard because it's the deef,
is a defender initiate, the contact, is the receiver running around,
is the receiver you know, is the receiver extending the arms?
(34:06):
All these to push off, all these different things, so
it is I get questions about everything, but typically when
my phone blows up, it's like usually the big stuff
that people are like, what the heck is going on?
Like last night with you know, the out and play
and then the challenge where they went back and looked
at it again, those types of things, but it does,
(34:29):
it does kind of. I get a lot. It's a
smortage sport.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
He used the great Dean Blandino, Fox Sports NFL College
football rules analyst, get.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Him hunt at smortgage board tremendous is always. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Have a great day at day.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
I'll leave you guys with a challenge for the rest
of your time on the air today. How many times
can you say schmortgage sport? Okay, mortgage.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Well, that is a challenge even saying it. Dean, we
appreciate it. We'll do it again next week.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
There he is a great Dean. Blame Beto with us
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
By the way, that's a word you're gonna stay away from.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Huh board schmorgasbord. Yeah, that's that feels like it's part
of that. Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (36:12):
Off the air.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Time to find out what's left Towns Incredibles.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Here's the left over all, Right, what do we got?
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Well?
Speaker 10 (36:22):
I did a little more research after your last segment
about Jim Fagan.
Speaker 3 (36:27):
Fagan, Yes, so we have his original version.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
When we're going to compare the real one to the
AI version, and we're going to see if we can
tell the difference.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Okay, here's our original.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Okay, here's the NBA on NBC, the NBA Final.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
It's Game six.
Speaker 10 (36:55):
Plastiakgoo, all right, that beauty from nineteen ninety eight original voice.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Now here's Ai.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
The NBA on NBC is bad.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
See you this October for the NBA season tip off,
because AI sounds better.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
No, No, you know what it is. It's it's not human.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
You don't hear like the I'm sure he smoked cigars
or smoked because you hear the gravel a little bit
in his voice.
Speaker 2 (37:27):
It's just very clear. Yeah, it's like to clear.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
It doesn't it doesn't sound like human where there's a
little bit of that. Not perfect, you know, it's clear.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's a little jarring. Play the first one again, though
it's the NBA, NBC NBA.
Speaker 10 (37:51):
I think obviously the levels are better in the newer
twenty twelve, twenty five version, more clear, because nineteen ninety
eight your audio is going to be a lot different
back then. I do want to play not what his
daughter had to say, more curious about how family found,
His daughter said, they are deeply grateful that NBC Sports
had the vision to honor our father's legacy in such
a meaningful way. He would be thrilled and proud to
(38:13):
be a part of this. It's been a true pleasure
working with NBC Sports on this project.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Working with them on this project. They're getting broke off
for Sorry, yeah you think so? Oh hell yeah, I
mean a residual. I don't think it's going to be
broke off. Yeah I was remember that. Yeah, I mean
knowing you what you mean money?
Speaker 10 (38:35):
Maybe you got an.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
I'm just talking about the tank nasty, the NBA breaking
her off for daddy voice, Daddy for your daddy voice.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
Okay, al I saw this. It will kind of fun. Actually,
might want to participate.
Speaker 10 (39:02):
Denver is hosting a thirty one mile run where the
racers have to want to billy consume Taco Bell.
Speaker 3 (39:09):
They have to eat time.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
Go ahead, everybody vomiting on the street. That's ridiculous, run right,
you run?
Speaker 5 (39:17):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Okay, thirty males Taco Bell doing thirty miles of running
and eating taco bell. God, you imagine how many never mass.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I think they're gonna have to wear diapers?
Speaker 2 (39:28):
How would you do that? Yeah, that's bad, that's just.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
No knock on Taco Bell.
Speaker 10 (39:36):
If you had to pick one thing to eat, the
whole race. What would you choose off the Taco Bell menu.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
I don't know. Water, there you go, good one.
Speaker 10 (39:45):
I like their little cinnamon bolt balls. They're so good
with the cream in the center.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah. Way to end the show, Lorena,
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