October 22, 2025 • 42 mins
To wrap up the last hour, the guys chat it up with Petros Papadakis after USC's latest loss to Notre Dame. Plus, the guys talk about Troy Vincent discussing NFL wanting to change the NFL onside kick rulings + another fun edition of the Leftovers!
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a Wednesday tradition, here to the Sho Show. He is
the old pot X. He is Petros Papadakis. He is
the co host of the Petro Some Money shows. You
can hear on the Blowtorch AM five seventy l A
Sports Fox college football analysts and our good buddy Pee.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
What's happening? Good morning everybody?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Hello, Good morning, sir.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I love this as this intro music for Petros. I
don't know something about it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Man, I'd like to change it, but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
What would you like to change it?
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I don't want I mean, why would I want jellow
ball to be my intro.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's what makes it fun.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
All Right, it's your show, it's not my show. I
just said I'd like to change it. We should change
it on you coming be different every week?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh, I probably like into like awareness, like the awareness
of when that song plays, we know your voices. Yeah,
I'm just saying, you know, you might swerve in that corner,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I might do that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
How you feel about USC right now? I mean, I'm sure,
I'm sure Q is going to do it, but I
beat you too. Beat Q to it. I'm sure he'll
give you a more detailed question.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But I mean, well, they have a buy and then
they go to play Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
How you feel about where they're at right now?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Pretty much the way I felt when the season started.
What is it that they are a pretty middling Big
Ten football team that's going to have a hard time
being physical down in and down out on the road.
I think it's proven that their linebackers are catchers mits.
When you run at them, they can go sideline to
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sideline pretty well. And I mean, you see it. I
don't have to tell you what they're like. They're not
a physical football team and they probably never will be
against Lincoln Riley. I mean, with Lincoln Riley as their
coach against teams.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
On the road like Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
You got to give them credit for beating Michigan coming
out here, but it's hard to go across the country
and play in somebody's legendary big stadium, whether that stadium's
on the West Coast or that stadiums on the East Coast.
It's hard, especially when you have physical matchups every week.
And that's what the Big Ten's about. So they're going
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to struggle because they're not built like that, and their
coach is more of a spread amount offensive coordinator type
who will call a double pass deep into the second
half of a rivalry game in the pouring rain and
then say, well, no one complained last year when we
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ran it against UCLA and it worked, And it's like, well, yeah,
it worked. It was dry against UCLA. Notre Dame's got
way better coaches, and I'm pretty sure they saw the
double pass on tape that you ran in a rivalry
game last year. Other than that, yeah, no complaints. Just
like the words of Dannis Green that we all remember
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so well, us he is who we thought they were
and that's why we took the.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Day, crown them, Crown they they But here's the reality.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They still have a chance, Petros.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
If they went out, you'd have to think ten and
two gets them a playoff spot. And then even if
they went out, I mean, I guess obviously Indiana would
have to lose and that would open a potential door
for them.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But do they look like they would layoff team to you? No,
But I also don't know how if they went out.
You know, you could say that about a lot of teams. Well,
here's all say is I think they'll beat Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
It'll really come down to if they could beat Oregon
Alpa Dotson, which seems like a tall task.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'll admit that.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
But but I guess I'll ask you this, if they
finished nine and three, they don't make the playoffs. We
obviously we've talked about this with LeVar, Like we saw
the decision to Penn State made. At what point does
Jen Cohen, at what point does USC go Look, we're
four years into this, we haven't made a playoff, I
haven't won a conference championship. Maybe we should start looking
at buy it out, Like maybe we should start looking
at bringing in someone who we feel like can get
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us back to a national championship caliber program.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, they have to be physically built to do it
week in and week out. Like you said, this is
something we've discussed a whole lot at Penn State, and
I'm sure LeVar, being so close to it, knows the
ins and outs of it. But when you're super close
to something, you don't reveal that. And that's fine. But
at Penn State somebody had to say, that's enough, here's
the money.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And that's what happened with Clay Helton a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
When Lincoln Riley was hired, somebody named Rick Caruso, a
trustee and a guy running for mayor, said that's enough,
here's your you know, eighty million dollars or whatever it
is to get a new situation in here.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, somebody's going to have to do that. And if
you win nine.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Games or eight games, it's kind of hard to justify
coming up with ni eighty million dollars. So they're really
kind of stuck in this Lincoln Riley era and they're
just not physically built to compete the way they want.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Is it still that much though, like everyone's been saying
that since the first year, Well, you have to figure
it was like it was one hundred last year.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
So I mean, I'm just I'm not an economist, so
I'm just rudimentarily subtracting ten.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Million a year.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So now we'll be at ninety and then next year
we'll be at eighty, and then you still have to
bring somebody else in and pay that guy. So I
don't really, I don't exactly know, but it seems like
us he's kind of stuck in the Lincoln Riley situation.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well, maybe they can run a nine on seven period
at some point, because it would be great because it
doesn't look like they do much ever see any runs
between the tackles. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I mean, and Lincoln Riley said, they were like, well,
you know the match that your defense's physicality against Michigan
come compared to the way they were at Notre Dame.
He said, oh, it was about the same. But you know,
we just it was some assignment airs. It's like, it's
not an assignment air when every time they're running back
touches the ball, he gets twenty five yards. That's to
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me in football, that's you know, I was watching the
game too, Lincoln. It's it's very interesting the things he says.
I mean, two weeks later, after the Illinois loss, which
you were at Brady, he was sitting on air answering
questions and saying that complaining about holding calls from two
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weeks ago that would have changed the game.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's like, dude, your team got run over.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Like if you can't stop the run, you don't get
to come out and say, well, that one holding call.
I mean, this is USC, for God's sakes. So yeah,
that's kind of the state of the state. But it's
not really changed. It's been that way for years now.
Lincoln rally ever did was with Clay Hilton's players, I mean,
and that's the funniest part. And they and that wasn't
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good enough. They lost twice to Utah and they got
beat by Tulane and Willie Fritz in the Cotton Bookla.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, So what do you want me to say, Petricks?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I don't know if this is asking you to rank
the disappointments for USC over the past couple of decades
wherever you want to feel about it. But where does
the idea of yeah, we're good on this historic rivalry
not playing it anymore?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Where does that stack up for you.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Does this feel you know where it stacks up. I'm
livid about it.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I'm absolutely livid about it, and I hate the internet experts.
It's like, well, actullary, you I doesn't really need to
play a Notre Dame anymore. You f you forever for
saying that at USC and Notre Dame and that rivalry
marks the reach of college football and its history. The
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fact that there was a team good enough on the
West Coast to make it interesting to play Notre Dame
every year when people were taking trains to go play
and USC because of Lincoln Riley and his proxy in
the media, Colin Cowherd has created this narrative like, well,
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we don't need to play it so late in the
year and the odd years, we don't need to play
it in October. We don't need to play it in October.
We want to move it as if they're going to
get something out of the negotiation. I hate to say this.
Notre Dame is absolutely right just saying well, why would
we change what we've always done? What is wrong with
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the tradition that's been set for years? Who cares that
you're playing in the Big ten? I mean if USC's
playing the Big Ten. The College Football Playoff is only
going to get larger, and playing Missouri State and Georgia
Southern early in the year is not going to help
your resume. Look at him this year and helped it
all going out to Notre Dame and winning that game,
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or playing it very competitively and making it great like
it was back in five and the anniversary that we
recently just passed. All of those things bring attention to you.
That's going to help you make the College Football Playoff
as it expands.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's not going to hurt you.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And I understand the physical toll, but you're USC football
and it's wrapped up in our identity, at least mine
and most of my teammates that I talked to and
people that I talked to off the air. The fact
that you play Notre Dame is what's special about going
to USC. The fact that you play in South Bend,
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not Allegiant or at the Atlantic's Hotel or at so
Far or some dumbass modern cathedral of Death that they build.
Now I'm talking about in freaking South Bend, and it's
a special for the Notre Dame players to take the
field at the La Coliseum, and it's great to play
at Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan and blah
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blah blah and Lincoln that's all great too, but it's
not the same and it doesn't mean the same thing.
And you go to USSE to play that game. That's
what makes USC special because it marks the reach of
college football and the reason college football is popular coast
to coast. My God, in the Michigan Fight song, it
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says Champions of the West because that's how far football
reached at the time when the song was written. But
USSE in the twenties was getting on trains and playing
against the legendary New Rockney teams. It means something. And
it's not the same as the Holy War. It's not
the same as the backyard Brawl. It's not the same
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as a lot of these rivalries that have gone away
over the years. And I don't want to hear it. Well,
it's a bad time for college football.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Traditionalist f U.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
This transcends that it is a cross continent rivalry, intersectional rivalry,
and it should never go away and it should have
never been questioned by anybody at USC. And I love
and respect Jen Cohen but the fact that it seems
like she's starting to carry Lincoln's water in this regard,
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just like just like Colin Cowhard, who in God's name
is Lincoln Riley or anybody else who's coaching at USC
to think that they can even touch the Notre Dame.
The only thing you're allowed to do with the Notre
Dame rivalry is how you deal with your team about
it leading up to the game. You should have no
say in the scheduling of what is a legendary, meaningful
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game to everybody. You are a fart in the history
of the USC football.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Program in the wind. Exactly in a world would you
bring in?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Who would you bring in?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Like if you were to say.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Somebody who will coach against Notre Dame without bitching about it?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
How about that? That's where I'd take that at this point.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Dang, anybody anybody that wild coach against Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And look and a fil you just we've talked about
it us. He's good. If you build the.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Offensive front and defensive front with local talent and have
actual coaches there, iron sharpens iron. If your on line
is great, your d line will be great. And that's
been generationally proven over the years at USC. Don't tell
me you can't find offensive linemen in California anymore. There's
plenty of them. They're all going to Oregon and playing a.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Lot of them playing a modern day I mean, I
get to watch some of those games.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Those kids are huge.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, there's plenty and USC. But but Lincoln Riley is
not a coach. You mentioned it. It looks like they
don't run nine on seven. It looks like they're not
physically up to the task. And you know what, if
you're not physically up to the task, you ain't gonna
win the Big Ten e anyway, whether you play Notre
Dame or not, You're probably not gonna go to the
College Football Playoff either whether you play Notre Dame or not,
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because you don't have the chops physically to compete in
this conference. And that's probably why Lincoln Riley was so
pissed that they went to the Big Ten in the
first place. After he took the job. I don't think
he took the job to coach in the Big Ten.
But look tough, if you're going to blow up one
hundred and eight years of history with the Pac twelve
and blow all of that up. And that's understandable because
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how mismanaged it was. You don't get to change your
tradition with Notre Dame just because you're in.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
A tougher conference. Shut up, shut up, and live with it.
It's a college football playoff.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
It's not the BCS, it's not you know, only four
teams are going now you have plenty It helps you
to play Notre Dame in.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
The college football playoff era.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You got plenty of opportunity to make the team tough
and physical.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And it's been four years and he hasn't. So that's
the reality of it.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
But I'm disgusted with the messaging that comes out of
USC and some of the people that are housemen at USC,
some of them Brady works with very closely, and the
things that they're saying, the things that they're saying, it
should disqualify them from talking about it. As much as
they've accomplished. These people are so scared to criticize the
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university because they're scared to lose their access and they're
scared to not be the celebrated people at at the place.
F that you have to you have to stand up
for something, and and this is if I if there's
one thing I'm going to freak out about. It's the
se Notre Dame rivalry, and I'll I'll use my platform
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to try to freak out about it and make pull myself.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I mean, everything you said is so well said. And
then this isn't like a Notre Dame biased opinion on this.
It's just this robbery's survived through world wars, and I
think a lot of people, you know, tend to forget
like Notre Dame was in some tough financial spots in particular,
I want to say during World War Two. That's one
of the reasons why the Naval Academy end up using
Notre Dame's campus as a base, and why that rivalry
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has still existed to this day. And so again separate
conversation there, but you think about a lot of the
things that our country has gone through and yet.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That rivalry is still sustained.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
But us he doesn't want to run nine on seven consistently,
so we can't play Notre him anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And so yeah, maybe there's some truth to that. I
think what's really interesting about all this is is like
I think.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
About the era of the USC football team that I
played against, and I really didn't fully understand obviously, besides
the talent, what made that era for se special. And
I always saw Pete Carroll from afar, but when I
went there in twenty thirteen when he was in the
Seattle Seahawks, I got a glimpse and what I came
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to understand with Pete and his style of coaching. And
I know it's not working out great with the Raiders
right now it's only year one, though, is as much
as well as much as he's positive and there's this raw,
raw element to him, you know what he also is
He's not afraid of conflict. He's not afraid to tell
you this is your weakness. We need to work on this. Yeah,
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you need to get this better.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
You know those teams you know, I mean every drill
every day, like you at the NFL level, where like
people are like you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's like, no, we did that.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Like there was a scoreboard that kept a score offense
and defense even in the Pros, which I never experienced
that before my life with any other organization. And I
played for a good amount, so it was like a
great study of like, holy crap, you could do this
in the Pros and so I think about that. I'm
just like, it's crazy to me, how at no point,
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like you just haven't seen it since he left, Yeah,
at Southern count but it existed, like you had the
growing example, and no one's tried to replicate it there.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
You don't have to be Pete Carroll to make a
talented team compete in practice. If you have talented players
and you pay attention to your fronts and you make
them compete in practice at a place like USC, you're
going to dominate other people. And that's what we saw
back then for all of Pete's zitz and the lack
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of institutional control and what ended up happening.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
And I remember something similar with Jim Harbaugh when he
took over at Stanford. He was doing drills and being
physical with the team in a way that you just
wouldn't with a college football team. You know, they were
doing the drills LeVar where the guys are laying on
the ground, you know, with their heads and then you
know the whistle and you get up and you have
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to tackle. They were doing the diamond drill, you know,
get your head in front and tackle and a pretty
close to full speed and you know, this is Stanford football.
That's how they became the intellectual brutality version of Stanford
football that we saw go with Harbaugh and David Shaw.
And people said, you can't do that. He said, bs
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I can. And what what happened in two thousand and nine?
They ran power so many times with Toby Gerhart right
us He's face. Some people think it ran Pete Carole
right out of the Pac ten to in those days.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Uh, and and it kind of did. I was there.
I called that game on Fox, So.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Uh, it's uh, it is a it's a wild situation, uh,
for those that are close to it in real life.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
US. He is not a part of the college football
playoff conversation.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I don't think, uh, if they went out, I don't know.
They haven't proven anything on the road in this conference
other than beating Purdue. So we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
M I was going to give you one last question
that would be about the Dodgers. What's your fining about it?
I mean it's kind of a foregone conclusion at this point.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I don't know how many games, four or five games,
so how many is gonna take?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
What year was it that the Raptors beat the the
that was Canada versus California. Oh yeah, right, and the
Warriors were a heavy favorite, right, and the Raptors beat
them in six, and Canada celebrated and then Kawhi Leonard left.
But it is an opportunity to get after Canada's ass.
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And it's obviously a great thing for Fox as opposed
to you know, Seattle versus the Brewers or something like that,
because Otani is such an attraction and such an anomaly
and such. And then beyond that, the Dodgers are a
really likable team. And I am around this team reluctantly
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just because of the amount of shows I have to
do from Dodger Stadium and go down on the field
and all that. And the truth is the truth. Freddie
Freeman's there on his knees, hands and knees doing fielding
drills before the games, not doing anything else.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I was just curious.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I know, I knew where we were at with that.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
You know, these guys are humbling themselves, working hard every
single day.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Every day.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I'm out there, they're out there early, they're out there interacting.
They're very impressive, and it's it's I guess the d
word dynasty needs to be brought up. But uh, but
there's been big favorites before that go down, and baseball
is tricky.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
But the fact that the Dodgers have.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Those four starters Blake Smell, Tyler Glass, now Yoshiyamamoto and
then Otani, for God's sake. Yeah, the fact that they
have those my battleship.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
The fact that.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
That those four is pretty that they're all up and
running right now doing what they're doing is is pretty
darn impressive because last year, remember the pitching story was
the Dodgers starters were weak and the bullpen carried them through.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
This this year, it's the opposite.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Of all the athletes you've covered in town. Here in
la Otani, the most impressive you've seen, most complete you've seen.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I don't you know, I don't know, like Lebron, No,
not Lebron unless you're gonna be I mean, Lebron is
getting less and less popular every breath he takes.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It's awesome. I you know that the Otani thing is
weird because I just don't think what he does is such,
is so spectacular. It's just it's beyond our perspective, right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, we almost don't know how to react to him.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Because none of us watch Babe Ruth play. I mean,
there's nobody that's ever done anything like this in modern
times or really ever.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Babe Ruth didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
He quit pitching, So what we're watching we have no
perspective on. So you end up kind of fumbling over
your words and sounding like an idiot, just like I did.
But yeah, I guess without without really knowing what I'm
talking about, Otani is the most impressive athlete I've ever
seen in person. But to me, that's that can't be
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true because I just don't understand what he's doing, you know,
to me, like like Curtis Conway playing quarterback at Hawthorne
High School and running the option like he was Trawn,
that's the most impressive thing.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You know, those kind of things jump out to.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Me more because I understand the sport of football more,
and I say, wow, I've never seen anybody do that
before the Otani thing, even baseball, people who really understand
the sport, even his own teammates, struggle to define it.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And I think that's the ultimate compliment to what somebody's
doing on a field of competition.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You calling a game this weekend.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
No, I'm not good enough to work this weekend whatever,
but I will be watching the Organ steal your face Organ,
Grateful Ducks, Grateful Dead uniform game because that's kind of
cool to me.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Actually are sweet.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
They're playing Wisconsin, but that's secondary to the uniforms. And
even more exciting, a guy named Jake Jolivett.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Who is a great gally.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, he's a great producer at Fox, and he's a
huge Deadhead and a great music aficionado, but a huge head,
and he is going to do the you know, he
always does a great playlist and soundtrack for the game
and with the music that they license. But this one
is going to be epic. So I'm looking forward to that.
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So I'll be watching that. I think it's a four
o'clock game.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
What's the Grateful Dead? What is the you know connection
there between them and Oregon?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Are they like the Dad used to play auts and
I think the Dead played aughtson Stadium ten times?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
So one of their archivists said that the university was
kind of their home away from home. Really was a crunchy,
grooven type of place. They did a benefit for some
creamery that made a yogurt they liked that was in
trouble and did a big benefit show for this creamery.
There there's a lot of history with them and Oregon,
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and let's be honest in your gene.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You know, there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Of crunchy groovers smoking reefers and that's a big part
of what's going on with the Dad shows.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
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appreciate it. He is the cost of the Petros of
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him on X at the op and a tremendous job
as usual. Thanks p all Right, everybody, man, Petro's got
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Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I get it though, and I've listened to his comments
on Speaking.
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Fox Sports Radio, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Gionas Knox with
you here. We are gonna have the leftovers coming up
here in about twelve minutes from now here. On FSR,
Troy Vincent he's got some thoughts. They're obviously always looking
to improve things in the NFL, so Executive Vice President
President Troy Vincent decided to take a look at the
(30:05):
on side kick and I'd be following to say, quote,
when you start getting a less than five percent recovery rate.
Now that we've seen what has happened with the dynamic kickoff,
and maybe time for the membership to revisit some of
those things that may be out of ordinary.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like the on side kick.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I mean, you could just go back to the good
old days where you know, teams don't have to inform
you when they do it, and you could just keep
the surprise kick. I mean, the kickoff has worked, it's
improved things, it's made that play interesting again. Just go
back and let's let's redo the kick or the on
side kick and just make it like it was in
the good old days. Problem solved, easy, Pasy know what
the hang up is?
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Yeah, it works that way. Yeah, like they've changed the
kickoff role. They're good with where it's at. But I mean,
I'm not sure how. I'm not sure how with the
current structure, how they're going to do it to bring
back the on side kicked the way it used to
be without having to tell the other team.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
What you're doing.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
There's too many restrictions around the formation, how many guys
to one side. There's you know, obviously the ability to
do it throughout the game now, but they have to
tell the other team they're doing it because of how
they do the normal kickoff configuration.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So I know they're going to try.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
To go to like a fourth and fifteen, fourth and
twenty type play. But I mean, here's the thing that
I think most fans would agree with, Like, we hate
when officiating gets involved. And my concern for a fourth
and fifteen, fourth and twenty play is is there will
be scenarios where there's DPI or you know, holding or
whatever the case is, and the game is going to
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come down to a call that's going to allow that
team to get back into it. And you could say, well,
that could happen at any point during the fourth quarter. Yeah,
but the difference is, like it just it makes it
more likely than not that you're putting the officials in
that position, and it's different when it comes down to
it during a natural course of the game like this.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
To me, it's a bad spot to be in. I've
said it before.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
They could have just moved the kickoff back if they
really wanted to try to get more returns, if that
was the ultimate goal, instead of the gimmick they've come
up with.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Was there's Florida State that had the PI called on
the Hail Mary in college football?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I think I think so, yeah, because they don't someone
did this.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They don't call that a lot, and I wonder if
they would kind of keep the flag in the pocket.
More so if they go to the fourth and fifteen,
fourth and twenty to try to I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I think Dean would tell you.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
They don't tell them to officiate the game any different
depending on the situation. So I just, again, this whole kickoff,
the idea was making a meaningful play, get more returns,
limit the incidents of head injuries.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Which they've done. They've done that, Yeah, they've done.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And ultimately the starting field position has increased, which has
led to more points, which is good for the league,
even though I'd argue it's it's not great for defenses
and it feels more one sided. But again, moving the
kickoff back and then still maintaining what we had prior,
I would have accomplished most of those things, with the
exception of obviously the head injuries, and that's something that
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it's just it's hard to be able to completely remove
that from the game. And you're going to have that
regardless even in its current structure. You know, you're still
seeing it from time to time. So I just the
NFL has unfortunately put themselves in this position because of
how they've manipulated the kickoff to look entirely different than
what we've had in the past, and you know, I'm
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not sure there's an easy solution to figure out how
to get the on side kick back involved.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't know, man, I just I look at the
on side kick. It could be you so effectively in
a few different different instances, and to limit that or
to kind of in a way eliminated, so to speak,
like I always felt, I mean, think about it. We
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experienced it against UCLA a surprise on side when I
was when I was a head coach, I surprised onside
to the point of where it wasn't even a surprise anymore.
Like I used it quite a bit. And then the
reason why is I had nineteen players and three of
them were football players, and so I wasn't going to
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run those guys down the field the whole entire time.
And depending on how good my kicker could kick one,
it would ensure tackle.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Too.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
There'd be an actual possibility of recovering the kickoff. Now, granted,
that's high school level, and that's for different reasons, but
doesn't matter in terms of if your idea of trying to,
you know, change the momentum of of a game, if
you're gutsy enough to make a call like an on
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side kick, anything that took away from that aspect of
the special teams play. I think, like just like having
the ability to run a fake punt or a fake
field goal, whatever it may be, to lessen the opportunity
to use an on side kick, because now you know
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when an on side kick is coming. I just you know,
it seems strange, it seems out of place, but there's
been a lot of rule changes through the years, and
just like anything else, people complain about it. Some people say, oh,
it's good for the game. Everybody's be somebody who's indifferent,
and then you get used to it and then it's
a part of the game.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I mean, but in saying that, you know, the other
thing of note that Troy Vincent had to say was
the tush push. You know that it's not really widely
discussed at league headquarters, but did acknowledge that. You know,
it's it remains a goal play to officiate. And it
just feels like the more we hear about it week
by week, the more likely this thing's going to be
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gone next year. Like they digit't thing, so I think
it's out next year.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I don't think. Here's what I don't get about that.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
They literally did away with the rule for pushing a
runner because it was too difficult to officiate. So you
have that element of it, and now we're saying like, oh, well,
now pushing the run is too difficult to officiate. It's like, well, dude,
like pick your battle, like we have so many cameras, now,
just make it reviewable.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Is it that hard to be able to see?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I mean New York's already jumping in anyway on some
of these calls and some of these reviews to try
to get the right call. I don't understand why they
don't figure this out and either let it happen or
get rid of it entirely and say you can't aid
the runner because you can't pull the runner. I mean,
we saw that with the forty nine ers this past week.
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Yet that they allowed to happen, and now we're having
issues with figuring out how to officiate the push and
the outside that comes with it and everything else.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It's like, dude, come on, we have It's like we're
it's like we're living in.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
An air with all this technology and we're leaving it
on the sidelines, like we can use this to officiate
this stuff better. It's crazy how archaic the NFL still
remains with officiating. It just it doesn't make any sense.
And I would say this, if you're going to allow
them to push the runner, allow them to pull the runner,
like allow it to be like you're either all in
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or all out on aiding the runner.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
In whatever capacity, pushing, pull on whatever.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Like.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
That's what was kind of frustrating too, is to listen
to I think it was Terry McCauley who's.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Saying, like, yeah, they probably should.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Have gotten called for a penalty there and been pulling
the runner, helping that Africa out.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
They you know you phrased it, but well, why is
that still a thing.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's like, if you're allowing to push them as we're
allowed to pull them, and if you want to get
rid of the tousch push, then get.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Rid of all of it.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, it seems like this offseason it's not going anywhere. No, No,
you can't make that strong statement if you want it's
not going anywhere. This was the year for it to
be removed. They didn't remove it. It's not you're not
going to get more information this year that you didn't
get last year. That's going to make it a different
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play than what it has been, and like you said,
the idea that guys are getting pushed in other plays
outside of it, like that, the concept of it is
still the same even though the play it's it's not
a play per se. It happens during the play. But nonetheless,
you should not be allowed to push a player. You
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should not be able to aid a runner in for
we're establishing more forward progress. It just doesn't That doesn't
make sense to me. So how do you get rid
of the push push if you're not getting rid of
them doing pushing in other aspects of the game.
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Speaker 2 (02:15):
What's happening? Good morning everybody?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Hello, Good morning, sir.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I love this as this intro music for Petros. I
don't know something about it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Man, I'd like to change it, but that's okay.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
What would you like to change it?
Speaker 5 (02:28):
I don't want I mean, why would I want jellow
ball to be my intro.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That's what makes it fun.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
All Right, it's your show, it's not my show. I
just said I'd like to change it. We should change
it on you coming be different every week?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh, I probably like into like awareness, like the awareness
of when that song plays, we know your voices. Yeah,
I'm just saying, you know, you might swerve in that corner,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:57):
I might do that.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
How you feel about USC right now? I mean, I'm sure,
I'm sure Q is going to do it, but I
beat you too. Beat Q to it. I'm sure he'll
give you a more detailed question.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But I mean, well, they have a buy and then
they go to play Nebraska.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
How you feel about where they're at right now?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Pretty much the way I felt when the season started.
What is it that they are a pretty middling Big
Ten football team that's going to have a hard time
being physical down in and down out on the road.
I think it's proven that their linebackers are catchers mits.
When you run at them, they can go sideline to
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sideline pretty well. And I mean, you see it. I
don't have to tell you what they're like. They're not
a physical football team and they probably never will be
against Lincoln Riley. I mean, with Lincoln Riley as their
coach against teams.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
On the road like Notre Dame.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
You got to give them credit for beating Michigan coming
out here, but it's hard to go across the country
and play in somebody's legendary big stadium, whether that stadium's
on the West Coast or that stadiums on the East Coast.
It's hard, especially when you have physical matchups every week.
And that's what the Big Ten's about. So they're going
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to struggle because they're not built like that, and their
coach is more of a spread amount offensive coordinator type
who will call a double pass deep into the second
half of a rivalry game in the pouring rain and
then say, well, no one complained last year when we
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ran it against UCLA and it worked, And it's like, well, yeah,
it worked. It was dry against UCLA. Notre Dame's got
way better coaches, and I'm pretty sure they saw the
double pass on tape that you ran in a rivalry
game last year. Other than that, yeah, no complaints. Just
like the words of Dannis Green that we all remember
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so well, us he is who we thought they were
and that's why we took the.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Day, crown them, Crown they they But here's the reality.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
They still have a chance, Petros.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
If they went out, you'd have to think ten and
two gets them a playoff spot. And then even if
they went out, I mean, I guess obviously Indiana would
have to lose and that would open a potential door
for them.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
But do they look like they would layoff team to you? No,
But I also don't know how if they went out.
You know, you could say that about a lot of teams. Well,
here's all say is I think they'll beat Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
It'll really come down to if they could beat Oregon
Alpa Dotson, which seems like a tall task.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
I'll admit that.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
But but I guess I'll ask you this, if they
finished nine and three, they don't make the playoffs. We
obviously we've talked about this with LeVar, Like we saw
the decision to Penn State made. At what point does
Jen Cohen, at what point does USC go Look, we're
four years into this, we haven't made a playoff, I
haven't won a conference championship. Maybe we should start looking
at buy it out, Like maybe we should start looking
at bringing in someone who we feel like can get
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us back to a national championship caliber program.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, they have to be physically built to do it
week in and week out. Like you said, this is
something we've discussed a whole lot at Penn State, and
I'm sure LeVar, being so close to it, knows the
ins and outs of it. But when you're super close
to something, you don't reveal that. And that's fine. But
at Penn State somebody had to say, that's enough, here's
the money.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
And that's what happened with Clay Helton a long time ago.
Speaker 5 (06:38):
When Lincoln Riley was hired, somebody named Rick Caruso, a
trustee and a guy running for mayor, said that's enough,
here's your you know, eighty million dollars or whatever it
is to get a new situation in here.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, somebody's going to have to do that. And if
you win nine.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Games or eight games, it's kind of hard to justify
coming up with ni eighty million dollars. So they're really
kind of stuck in this Lincoln Riley era and they're
just not physically built to compete the way they want.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
Is it still that much though, like everyone's been saying
that since the first year, Well, you have to figure
it was like it was one hundred last year.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
So I mean, I'm just I'm not an economist, so
I'm just rudimentarily subtracting ten.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Million a year.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So now we'll be at ninety and then next year
we'll be at eighty, and then you still have to
bring somebody else in and pay that guy. So I
don't really, I don't exactly know, but it seems like
us he's kind of stuck in the Lincoln Riley situation.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Well, maybe they can run a nine on seven period
at some point, because it would be great because it
doesn't look like they do much ever see any runs
between the tackles. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I mean, and Lincoln Riley said, they were like, well,
you know the match that your defense's physicality against Michigan
come compared to the way they were at Notre Dame.
He said, oh, it was about the same. But you know,
we just it was some assignment airs. It's like, it's
not an assignment air when every time they're running back
touches the ball, he gets twenty five yards. That's to
(08:16):
me in football, that's you know, I was watching the
game too, Lincoln. It's it's very interesting the things he says.
I mean, two weeks later, after the Illinois loss, which
you were at Brady, he was sitting on air answering
questions and saying that complaining about holding calls from two
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weeks ago that would have changed the game.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
It's like, dude, your team got run over.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Like if you can't stop the run, you don't get
to come out and say, well, that one holding call.
I mean, this is USC, for God's sakes. So yeah,
that's kind of the state of the state. But it's
not really changed. It's been that way for years now.
Lincoln rally ever did was with Clay Hilton's players, I mean,
and that's the funniest part. And they and that wasn't
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good enough. They lost twice to Utah and they got
beat by Tulane and Willie Fritz in the Cotton Bookla.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, So what do you want me to say, Petricks?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I don't know if this is asking you to rank
the disappointments for USC over the past couple of decades
wherever you want to feel about it. But where does
the idea of yeah, we're good on this historic rivalry
not playing it anymore?
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Where does that stack up for you.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Does this feel you know where it stacks up. I'm
livid about it.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
I'm absolutely livid about it, and I hate the internet experts.
It's like, well, actullary, you I doesn't really need to
play a Notre Dame anymore. You f you forever for
saying that at USC and Notre Dame and that rivalry
marks the reach of college football and its history. The
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fact that there was a team good enough on the
West Coast to make it interesting to play Notre Dame
every year when people were taking trains to go play
and USC because of Lincoln Riley and his proxy in
the media, Colin Cowherd has created this narrative like, well,
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we don't need to play it so late in the
year and the odd years, we don't need to play
it in October. We don't need to play it in October.
We want to move it as if they're going to
get something out of the negotiation. I hate to say this.
Notre Dame is absolutely right just saying well, why would
we change what we've always done? What is wrong with
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the tradition that's been set for years? Who cares that
you're playing in the Big ten? I mean if USC's
playing the Big Ten. The College Football Playoff is only
going to get larger, and playing Missouri State and Georgia
Southern early in the year is not going to help
your resume. Look at him this year and helped it
all going out to Notre Dame and winning that game,
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or playing it very competitively and making it great like
it was back in five and the anniversary that we
recently just passed. All of those things bring attention to you.
That's going to help you make the College Football Playoff
as it expands.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It's not going to hurt you.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
And I understand the physical toll, but you're USC football
and it's wrapped up in our identity, at least mine
and most of my teammates that I talked to and
people that I talked to off the air. The fact
that you play Notre Dame is what's special about going
to USC. The fact that you play in South Bend,
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not Allegiant or at the Atlantic's Hotel or at so
Far or some dumbass modern cathedral of Death that they build.
Now I'm talking about in freaking South Bend, and it's
a special for the Notre Dame players to take the
field at the La Coliseum, and it's great to play
at Penn State or Ohio State or Michigan and blah
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blah blah and Lincoln that's all great too, but it's
not the same and it doesn't mean the same thing.
And you go to USSE to play that game. That's
what makes USC special because it marks the reach of
college football and the reason college football is popular coast
to coast. My God, in the Michigan Fight song, it
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says Champions of the West because that's how far football
reached at the time when the song was written. But
USSE in the twenties was getting on trains and playing
against the legendary New Rockney teams. It means something. And
it's not the same as the Holy War. It's not
the same as the backyard Brawl. It's not the same
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as a lot of these rivalries that have gone away
over the years. And I don't want to hear it. Well,
it's a bad time for college football.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Traditionalist f U.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
This transcends that it is a cross continent rivalry, intersectional rivalry,
and it should never go away and it should have
never been questioned by anybody at USC. And I love
and respect Jen Cohen but the fact that it seems
like she's starting to carry Lincoln's water in this regard,
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just like just like Colin Cowhard, who in God's name
is Lincoln Riley or anybody else who's coaching at USC
to think that they can even touch the Notre Dame.
The only thing you're allowed to do with the Notre
Dame rivalry is how you deal with your team about
it leading up to the game. You should have no
say in the scheduling of what is a legendary, meaningful
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game to everybody. You are a fart in the history
of the USC football.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Program in the wind. Exactly in a world would you
bring in?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Who would you bring in?
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Like if you were to say.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
Somebody who will coach against Notre Dame without bitching about it?
Speaker 2 (13:56):
How about that? That's where I'd take that at this point.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Dang, anybody anybody that wild coach against Notre Dame.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
And look and a fil you just we've talked about
it us. He's good. If you build the.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
Offensive front and defensive front with local talent and have
actual coaches there, iron sharpens iron. If your on line
is great, your d line will be great. And that's
been generationally proven over the years at USC. Don't tell
me you can't find offensive linemen in California anymore. There's
plenty of them. They're all going to Oregon and playing a.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Lot of them playing a modern day I mean, I
get to watch some of those games.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Those kids are huge.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Yeah, there's plenty and USC. But but Lincoln Riley is
not a coach. You mentioned it. It looks like they
don't run nine on seven. It looks like they're not
physically up to the task. And you know what, if
you're not physically up to the task, you ain't gonna
win the Big Ten e anyway, whether you play Notre
Dame or not, You're probably not gonna go to the
College Football Playoff either whether you play Notre Dame or not,
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because you don't have the chops physically to compete in
this conference. And that's probably why Lincoln Riley was so
pissed that they went to the Big Ten in the
first place. After he took the job. I don't think
he took the job to coach in the Big Ten.
But look tough, if you're going to blow up one
hundred and eight years of history with the Pac twelve
and blow all of that up. And that's understandable because
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how mismanaged it was. You don't get to change your
tradition with Notre Dame just because you're in.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
A tougher conference. Shut up, shut up, and live with it.
It's a college football playoff.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
It's not the BCS, it's not you know, only four
teams are going now you have plenty It helps you
to play Notre Dame in.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
The college football playoff era.
Speaker 5 (15:39):
You got plenty of opportunity to make the team tough
and physical.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
And it's been four years and he hasn't. So that's
the reality of it.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
But I'm disgusted with the messaging that comes out of
USC and some of the people that are housemen at USC,
some of them Brady works with very closely, and the
things that they're saying, the things that they're saying, it
should disqualify them from talking about it. As much as
they've accomplished. These people are so scared to criticize the
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university because they're scared to lose their access and they're
scared to not be the celebrated people at at the place.
F that you have to you have to stand up
for something, and and this is if I if there's
one thing I'm going to freak out about. It's the
se Notre Dame rivalry, and I'll I'll use my platform
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to try to freak out about it and make pull myself.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
I mean, everything you said is so well said. And
then this isn't like a Notre Dame biased opinion on this.
It's just this robbery's survived through world wars, and I
think a lot of people, you know, tend to forget
like Notre Dame was in some tough financial spots in particular,
I want to say during World War Two. That's one
of the reasons why the Naval Academy end up using
Notre Dame's campus as a base, and why that rivalry
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has still existed to this day. And so again separate
conversation there, but you think about a lot of the
things that our country has gone through and yet.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That rivalry is still sustained.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
But us he doesn't want to run nine on seven consistently,
so we can't play Notre him anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
And so yeah, maybe there's some truth to that. I
think what's really interesting about all this is is like
I think.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
About the era of the USC football team that I
played against, and I really didn't fully understand obviously, besides
the talent, what made that era for se special. And
I always saw Pete Carroll from afar, but when I
went there in twenty thirteen when he was in the
Seattle Seahawks, I got a glimpse and what I came
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to understand with Pete and his style of coaching. And
I know it's not working out great with the Raiders
right now it's only year one, though, is as much
as well as much as he's positive and there's this raw,
raw element to him, you know what he also is
He's not afraid of conflict. He's not afraid to tell
you this is your weakness. We need to work on this. Yeah,
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you need to get this better.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
You know those teams you know, I mean every drill
every day, like you at the NFL level, where like
people are like you can't do that.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It's like, no, we did that.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
Like there was a scoreboard that kept a score offense
and defense even in the Pros, which I never experienced
that before my life with any other organization. And I
played for a good amount, so it was like a
great study of like, holy crap, you could do this
in the Pros and so I think about that. I'm
just like, it's crazy to me, how at no point,
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like you just haven't seen it since he left, Yeah,
at Southern count but it existed, like you had the
growing example, and no one's tried to replicate it there.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
You don't have to be Pete Carroll to make a
talented team compete in practice. If you have talented players
and you pay attention to your fronts and you make
them compete in practice at a place like USC, you're
going to dominate other people. And that's what we saw
back then for all of Pete's zitz and the lack
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of institutional control and what ended up happening.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
And I remember something similar with Jim Harbaugh when he
took over at Stanford. He was doing drills and being
physical with the team in a way that you just
wouldn't with a college football team. You know, they were
doing the drills LeVar where the guys are laying on
the ground, you know, with their heads and then you
know the whistle and you get up and you have
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to tackle. They were doing the diamond drill, you know,
get your head in front and tackle and a pretty
close to full speed and you know, this is Stanford football.
That's how they became the intellectual brutality version of Stanford
football that we saw go with Harbaugh and David Shaw.
And people said, you can't do that. He said, bs
(19:53):
I can. And what what happened in two thousand and nine?
They ran power so many times with Toby Gerhart right
us He's face. Some people think it ran Pete Carole
right out of the Pac ten to in those days.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Uh, and and it kind of did. I was there.
I called that game on Fox, So.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Uh, it's uh, it is a it's a wild situation, uh,
for those that are close to it in real life.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
US. He is not a part of the college football
playoff conversation.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I don't think, uh, if they went out, I don't know.
They haven't proven anything on the road in this conference
other than beating Purdue. So we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
M I was going to give you one last question
that would be about the Dodgers. What's your fining about it?
I mean it's kind of a foregone conclusion at this point.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
I don't know how many games, four or five games,
so how many is gonna take?
Speaker 5 (20:44):
What year was it that the Raptors beat the the
that was Canada versus California. Oh yeah, right, and the
Warriors were a heavy favorite, right, and the Raptors beat
them in six, and Canada celebrated and then Kawhi Leonard left.
But it is an opportunity to get after Canada's ass.
(21:08):
And it's obviously a great thing for Fox as opposed
to you know, Seattle versus the Brewers or something like that,
because Otani is such an attraction and such an anomaly
and such. And then beyond that, the Dodgers are a
really likable team. And I am around this team reluctantly
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just because of the amount of shows I have to
do from Dodger Stadium and go down on the field
and all that. And the truth is the truth. Freddie
Freeman's there on his knees, hands and knees doing fielding
drills before the games, not doing anything else.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I was just curious.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I know, I knew where we were at with that.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
You know, these guys are humbling themselves, working hard every
single day.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Every day.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
I'm out there, they're out there early, they're out there interacting.
They're very impressive, and it's it's I guess the d
word dynasty needs to be brought up. But uh, but
there's been big favorites before that go down, and baseball
is tricky.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
But the fact that the Dodgers have.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Those four starters Blake Smell, Tyler Glass, now Yoshiyamamoto and
then Otani, for God's sake. Yeah, the fact that they
have those my battleship.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
The fact that.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
That those four is pretty that they're all up and
running right now doing what they're doing is is pretty
darn impressive because last year, remember the pitching story was
the Dodgers starters were weak and the bullpen carried them through.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
This this year, it's the opposite.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Of all the athletes you've covered in town. Here in
la Otani, the most impressive you've seen, most complete you've seen.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I don't you know, I don't know, like Lebron, No,
not Lebron unless you're gonna be I mean, Lebron is
getting less and less popular every breath he takes.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
It's awesome. I you know that the Otani thing is
weird because I just don't think what he does is such,
is so spectacular. It's just it's beyond our perspective, right.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Yeah, we almost don't know how to react to him.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Because none of us watch Babe Ruth play. I mean,
there's nobody that's ever done anything like this in modern
times or really ever.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Babe Ruth didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
He quit pitching, So what we're watching we have no
perspective on. So you end up kind of fumbling over
your words and sounding like an idiot, just like I did.
But yeah, I guess without without really knowing what I'm
talking about, Otani is the most impressive athlete I've ever
seen in person. But to me, that's that can't be
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true because I just don't understand what he's doing, you know,
to me, like like Curtis Conway playing quarterback at Hawthorne
High School and running the option like he was Trawn,
that's the most impressive thing.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
You know, those kind of things jump out to.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Me more because I understand the sport of football more,
and I say, wow, I've never seen anybody do that
before the Otani thing, even baseball, people who really understand
the sport, even his own teammates, struggle to define it.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
And I think that's the ultimate compliment to what somebody's
doing on a field of competition.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You calling a game this weekend.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
No, I'm not good enough to work this weekend whatever,
but I will be watching the Organ steal your face Organ,
Grateful Ducks, Grateful Dead uniform game because that's kind of
cool to me.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Actually are sweet.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
They're playing Wisconsin, but that's secondary to the uniforms. And
even more exciting, a guy named Jake Jolivett.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Who is a great gally.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Yeah, he's a great producer at Fox, and he's a
huge Deadhead and a great music aficionado, but a huge head,
and he is going to do the you know, he
always does a great playlist and soundtrack for the game
and with the music that they license. But this one
is going to be epic. So I'm looking forward to that.
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So I'll be watching that. I think it's a four
o'clock game.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
What's the Grateful Dead? What is the you know connection
there between them and Oregon?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Are they like the Dad used to play auts and
I think the Dead played aughtson Stadium ten times?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Oh wow?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
So one of their archivists said that the university was
kind of their home away from home. Really was a crunchy,
grooven type of place. They did a benefit for some
creamery that made a yogurt they liked that was in
trouble and did a big benefit show for this creamery.
There there's a lot of history with them and Oregon,
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and let's be honest in your gene.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
You know, there's a lot.
Speaker 5 (26:03):
Of crunchy groovers smoking reefers and that's a big part
of what's going on with the Dad shows.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So that's a good point, all right, Petros, we always
appreciate it. He is the cost of the Petros of
Money show that you can hear on the blowtorch AM
five to seventy LA Sports Fox college football analysts get
him on X at the op and a tremendous job
as usual. Thanks p all Right, everybody, man, Petro's got
spicy there with that usc Notre Dame stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
I get it though, and I've listened to his comments
on Speaking.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
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I don't know, but.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Did you on you? Oh what the hell?
Speaker 3 (27:02):
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build some hot sauce on her toes. It makes it better.
I mean, I will say that original no no, I
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Troy Vincent he's got some thoughts. They're obviously always looking
to improve things in the NFL, so Executive Vice President
President Troy Vincent decided to take a look at the
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on side kick and I'd be following to say, quote,
when you start getting a less than five percent recovery rate.
Now that we've seen what has happened with the dynamic kickoff,
and maybe time for the membership to revisit some of
those things that may be out of ordinary.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Like the on side kick.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
I mean, you could just go back to the good
old days where you know, teams don't have to inform
you when they do it, and you could just keep
the surprise kick. I mean, the kickoff has worked, it's
improved things, it's made that play interesting again. Just go
back and let's let's redo the kick or the on
side kick and just make it like it was in
the good old days. Problem solved, easy, Pasy know what
the hang up is?
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Yeah, it works that way. Yeah, like they've changed the
kickoff role. They're good with where it's at. But I mean,
I'm not sure how. I'm not sure how with the
current structure, how they're going to do it to bring
back the on side kicked the way it used to
be without having to tell the other team.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
What you're doing.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
There's too many restrictions around the formation, how many guys
to one side. There's you know, obviously the ability to
do it throughout the game now, but they have to
tell the other team they're doing it because of how
they do the normal kickoff configuration.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So I know they're going to try.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
To go to like a fourth and fifteen, fourth and
twenty type play. But I mean, here's the thing that
I think most fans would agree with, Like, we hate
when officiating gets involved. And my concern for a fourth
and fifteen, fourth and twenty play is is there will
be scenarios where there's DPI or you know, holding or
whatever the case is, and the game is going to
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come down to a call that's going to allow that
team to get back into it. And you could say, well,
that could happen at any point during the fourth quarter. Yeah,
but the difference is, like it just it makes it
more likely than not that you're putting the officials in
that position, and it's different when it comes down to
it during a natural course of the game like this.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
To me, it's a bad spot to be in. I've
said it before.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
They could have just moved the kickoff back if they
really wanted to try to get more returns, if that
was the ultimate goal, instead of the gimmick they've come
up with.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Was there's Florida State that had the PI called on
the Hail Mary in college football?
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I think I think so, yeah, because they don't someone
did this.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
They don't call that a lot, and I wonder if
they would kind of keep the flag in the pocket.
More so if they go to the fourth and fifteen,
fourth and twenty to try to I don't.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I think Dean would tell you.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
They don't tell them to officiate the game any different
depending on the situation. So I just, again, this whole kickoff,
the idea was making a meaningful play, get more returns,
limit the incidents of head injuries.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Which they've done. They've done that, Yeah, they've done.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
And ultimately the starting field position has increased, which has
led to more points, which is good for the league,
even though I'd argue it's it's not great for defenses
and it feels more one sided. But again, moving the
kickoff back and then still maintaining what we had prior,
I would have accomplished most of those things, with the
exception of obviously the head injuries, and that's something that
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it's just it's hard to be able to completely remove
that from the game. And you're going to have that
regardless even in its current structure. You know, you're still
seeing it from time to time. So I just the
NFL has unfortunately put themselves in this position because of
how they've manipulated the kickoff to look entirely different than
what we've had in the past, and you know, I'm
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not sure there's an easy solution to figure out how
to get the on side kick back involved.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I don't know, man, I just I look at the
on side kick. It could be you so effectively in
a few different different instances, and to limit that or
to kind of in a way eliminated, so to speak,
like I always felt, I mean, think about it. We
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experienced it against UCLA a surprise on side when I
was when I was a head coach, I surprised onside
to the point of where it wasn't even a surprise anymore.
Like I used it quite a bit. And then the
reason why is I had nineteen players and three of
them were football players, and so I wasn't going to
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run those guys down the field the whole entire time.
And depending on how good my kicker could kick one,
it would ensure tackle.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Too.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
There'd be an actual possibility of recovering the kickoff. Now, granted,
that's high school level, and that's for different reasons, but
doesn't matter in terms of if your idea of trying to,
you know, change the momentum of of a game, if
you're gutsy enough to make a call like an on
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side kick, anything that took away from that aspect of
the special teams play. I think, like just like having
the ability to run a fake punt or a fake
field goal, whatever it may be, to lessen the opportunity
to use an on side kick, because now you know
(35:26):
when an on side kick is coming. I just you know,
it seems strange, it seems out of place, but there's
been a lot of rule changes through the years, and
just like anything else, people complain about it. Some people say, oh,
it's good for the game. Everybody's be somebody who's indifferent,
and then you get used to it and then it's
a part of the game.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
I mean, but in saying that, you know, the other
thing of note that Troy Vincent had to say was
the tush push. You know that it's not really widely
discussed at league headquarters, but did acknowledge that. You know,
it's it remains a goal play to officiate. And it
just feels like the more we hear about it week
by week, the more likely this thing's going to be
(36:07):
gone next year. Like they digit't thing, so I think
it's out next year.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I don't think. Here's what I don't get about that.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
They literally did away with the rule for pushing a
runner because it was too difficult to officiate. So you
have that element of it, and now we're saying like, oh, well,
now pushing the run is too difficult to officiate. It's like, well, dude,
like pick your battle, like we have so many cameras, now,
just make it reviewable.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Is it that hard to be able to see?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I mean New York's already jumping in anyway on some
of these calls and some of these reviews to try
to get the right call. I don't understand why they
don't figure this out and either let it happen or
get rid of it entirely and say you can't aid
the runner because you can't pull the runner. I mean,
we saw that with the forty nine ers this past week.
(36:54):
Yet that they allowed to happen, and now we're having
issues with figuring out how to officiate the push and
the outside that comes with it and everything else.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
It's like, dude, come on, we have It's like we're
it's like we're living in.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
An air with all this technology and we're leaving it
on the sidelines, like we can use this to officiate
this stuff better. It's crazy how archaic the NFL still
remains with officiating. It just it doesn't make any sense.
And I would say this, if you're going to allow
them to push the runner, allow them to pull the runner,
like allow it to be like you're either all in
(37:28):
or all out on aiding the runner.
Speaker 2 (37:30):
In whatever capacity, pushing, pull on whatever.
Speaker 7 (37:33):
Like.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
That's what was kind of frustrating too, is to listen
to I think it was Terry McCauley who's.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Saying, like, yeah, they probably should.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Have gotten called for a penalty there and been pulling
the runner, helping that Africa out.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
They you know you phrased it, but well, why is
that still a thing.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's like, if you're allowing to push them as we're
allowed to pull them, and if you want to get
rid of the tousch push, then get.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Rid of all of it.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, it seems like this offseason it's not going anywhere. No, No,
you can't make that strong statement if you want it's
not going anywhere. This was the year for it to
be removed. They didn't remove it. It's not you're not
going to get more information this year that you didn't
get last year. That's going to make it a different
(38:13):
play than what it has been, and like you said,
the idea that guys are getting pushed in other plays
outside of it, like that, the concept of it is
still the same even though the play it's it's not
a play per se. It happens during the play. But nonetheless,
you should not be allowed to push a player. You
(38:36):
should not be able to aid a runner in for
we're establishing more forward progress. It just doesn't That doesn't
make sense to me. So how do you get rid
of the push push if you're not getting rid of
them doing pushing in other aspects of the game.
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Speaker 9 (41:32):
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Story in Paris, Dude, what is the louver?
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