July 18, 2023 • 38 mins
The guys react to Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs failing to reach long-term deals before the NFL Franchise Tag Deadline. Oklahoma coach Brent Venables has fighting words for Deion Sanders and a question about the Mandela Effect on “You In or Out.”
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Speaker 3 (01:11):
So the big discussion in the NFL is this deadline
that was put in plays for franchise tag players to
get a long term deal done that came and went
yesterday four pm Eastern time. Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs
did not get a deal done. I did see this
from Tom Pelisero who said that, and you guys tell
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me whether or not this would have mattered at all,
But I guess Josh Jacobs and the Raiders got really
close to getting something done and he Repelsara reported on
NFL Network yesterday that Josh Jacobs went to the facility
and sat in his car with Max Crosby just in
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case they got a deal done towards the end. Why
would he need to sit in the parking lot of
a car to get a deal done deadline?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
They need to beat the deadline. If they say get
in there and sign it, yeah, you gotta be there.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You don't want to have the fact snafu like we
have a Stuberville remember that back in the day.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, what was that he was it Denver. It was
Denver in Baltimore. So he was gonna sign with Denver
and then he ended up with Baltimore. Is that what happened?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah, it is what happened, isn't it? Deal fell apart?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So you like you like he would take that long
to fact something over or just like give your agent
the you know, the sign seal of approval. Hey, I'm
good to go with this, Like we agree to this,
Like he's got to sit in the parking lot and
what run in to try and beat the clock. I mean,
come on, man, what are we doing here? It feels
like a lot of semantics for a deal that was
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just never going to get done, but now he can.
But do you think the deadline should be started the
regular season? If you're gonna have a deadline, how about
start of the regular season? This July seventeenth. Crap has
got to go.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, but it helps.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You, again help figure out your cap situation. You still
have to technically do that before the start of the season.
That's why you get to your final roster cutdown. But
I think it gives you a little bit more clarity
going into it, Like you got to draw the lines somewhere.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I just think you know, I was always told deadlines
due deals apparently not.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, well that's why they set up these like fictitious
deadlines sometimes, you know, when you hear like an agent
and player, they're like, if we don't get a long
term deal done all right before the season starts, we're
not signing one. Okay, so week six, after you've just
towarded the NFL for the last six games, you're not
going to sign an extension?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Then, I mean, come on, So both of you guys
think for yourselves, like you're not really easily steered into
a direction by people around you. So I asked that
to ask this, or I say that to ask this,
did you ever find yourself when an agent was representing
you in some sort of a negotiation, either football related
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or business related to where you just thought, are we
sure we should be doing it this way? Like, even
though you're the agent, you're the guy in charge. Are
we sure we should be setting the deadline or be
taking this approach when when we're trying to get a
deal done. Because Saquon Barkley switched up representation, apparently it
was Rock Nation and then it went to CIA. You've
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got this deadline that was met, You've got Josh Jacob
sitting in a parking lot. Did you guys ever find
yourselves looking at your agent going this is the right
move for this? No?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean sitting in the car thing.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, just like like when your agent is representing you
and they're taking an approach, did you ever find yourself
not agreeing with the It's.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
A touchy topic for me.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know, we'll go ahead far come speak, man.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's just a touchy topic just because of how things
ended in Washington, because it was all based upon my
demise was based off of a contract snafu. Ooh, you know,
so fax machine maybe.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So like faxt spacines still exists. They're pretty bad ass
you think about it. It is kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
But there were there were mistakes.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
There were like literally up to ten errors within the
contract that the contract got certified, and these errors were
still on, you know, on the pages. How I mean
that there were errors, you know, like there there were
there were typos, there were there were things that were
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omitted that just weren't there. There was just a few
things that that needed to be changed or taken out,
like altered. I mean, you're you're talking about you're working.
They were most likely working from my older deal, right,
the deal that was being done, and and so you
go over that deal, you're you know, you're not doing
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a deal that's like, I didn't do a deal that
was from scratch.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
It was just.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Adjusting what I had already did, what my earning percentage was,
and then I was getting more money. It was a restructuring,
so I was getting more money up front and less
money on the back end. And it was just one
of those you know, it was a last minute contract
deal because they needed to get under the salary cap.
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And the reason why it was so last minute is
because and I've since learned like kind of more of
the details of it because me and Champ Bailey hadn't
even discussed it. We hadn't even talked about yeah, right,
they wanted what Okay, it kind of sounded like you said, baby,
But anyway, it was one of those things where Champ
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they were trying to get Champ restructured. But as Champ
tells it, they weren't trying to sign him at all,
Like they weren't.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
They weren't offering him the money that he wanted.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
He wasn't one of Dan Snyder's guys, and so they
were willing to let him go. I had no idea
that was the case. They came to me and told
me they were trying to get chap Re signed and restructured,
and Champ declined because he didn't want to come back.
So I'm thinking, like, well, our restructure. I mean, hell,
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I got a good contract going right now. I don't
need to I got like two or three years left
on my contract. So our restructure to help the team.
And there were you know, it was a very last
last minute there we go deadline to being able to
get under the salary cap and be legal as a team.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Were in the parking lot waiting for the deal to
get done.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
All right, No, but I had to rush and this
was on a Saturday. I had to rush back over
to the office. And I should have known something was
weird because it was just it was just Dan, Like
I wasn't in there with with like anybody else. It
was just me and Dan, Danny and everybody else was
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on the phone, and so we were going through it.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah, we were.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
And it was a long ass contract, like it was
a lot of pages to that contract. And I remember
saying to Dan before and here's where where the whole do.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You feel like that's where you get in trouble, Like
it's kind of like being in like interrogated by a cop.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But you're like, wait a second, I don't have my lawyer.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
I don't have my lawyer presence.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I don't even know if I did anything wrong, but like,
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Do anything wrong or say anything wrong, so maybe I
need to have like an attorney present here.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I felt like I was building I was showing my loyalties,
I was showing my willingness to help and and and
so I felt like it was just strengthening our relationship.
And and I was like, I just remember saying before
I left, I was like, you know, if there are
if there are mistakes that are in here, like typos
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or anything like that, they'll they'll get initialed and we'll
just will adjust it because in the interest of time,
let's just say we're doing the deal so that we
can get it under the salary cap. Like that was
kind of what I remember saying. I jumped in a
squad car. So I jumped in the squad car and
they turned the lights on. So you got to turn
lights on. Just did a dope ass deal. So we
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drove from Ashburn, Virginia to Green Belt, Maryland with the
lights on, like flying.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I mean, why not?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
It's the question it was going to be. It was
going to be some crazy traffic. Yeah, I needed to
get the meetings and I was waiting.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Around to sign this last Yeah, so I told him, like, Mike,
turn the lights on. Mike had the lights on. We
was we was floating. We went around all that belt traffic.
So anyway, that was the best part of that day.
I'll tell you that, you know, and and so, But
to answer your question, Hell, yes, there had been moments
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where you look at your agent and you're like, is
this Like are are we sure this is the best,
you know, way to go about doing this, you know,
and and.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
And and that.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Like the bad thing about when you had those moments
is for every time that nothing comes of it, it's
like the one time that something does that that ends
up being like where you feel a certain type of way,
you know, because you still got to take ownership over
the fact that that's your contract, that's your business. So
you make sure you're handling your business the way that
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you're supposed to. But then you sit there and you
think to yourself, I'm giving this person a percentage of
what I'm about to make. They should make sure every
I is dotted and every cre t is crossed, and
everything is really working in my favor to take care
of me and my best interests. And I don't know
that that's always the case when you're dealing with agents.
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I just really don't think that that's always going to
be the premise of what how the rules of engagement
take place.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well, look, I mean agents want to get a deal.
I mean that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
They make money when deals get done, so they're they're
not only to you know, act on your best behalf
as a player, because they're representing you.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You pay them, but they're not getting paid if the
deal doesn't get done.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So you know, if you take for example, because what
was the Saquon and the New York Giants, I believe
they were like what two million apart less than two million?
I think I saw somewhere in as far as guarantees
and total value.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I said this yesterday. I stand by it.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Like if I'm an agent in that instance, I mean
you're going to earn fees off as marketing dollars in
the number one media market as him being a captain.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Of the New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Just cut your loss man, say hey, look, I'm willing
in order to help you out, I'm willing to either
give back a couple percentage points right usually agents hit
three percent, say I'm gonna do this for one percent
for you, or I'll do it for nothing, you know,
and still get some of the marketing dollars you know
from the player. But getting the deal done in that
instance is the most important thing. And the fact that
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they were only two million or less than that apart,
Like that's your job to figure out a way of
making it work. The ownership's going to have their press
that they don't want to break. The players got things
that he wants and you're trying your best to represent him.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
But at the end of the day, like you need
to get the deal done.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So it could sometimes be a little tough where you
have to convince your.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Client where to budget, where to give and take.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know what to do because if you're you know
Saquan's representation and obviously he is represented by CAA as
well as Rock Nation. You know, that became well publicized.
There's going to be issues like moving forward in the future, right,
I don't know that the grass is going to be
greener if he gets to free agency after this year
and has the chance to go sign a longer term
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deals a running back, Like those contracts just aren't really
there for running backs right now, and they so they
probably look in the short term, like, you know, is
it in his best interest to go just get franchise tag.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Next two years in New York?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Maybe, but I would think you're you're only taking on
more wear and tear between this year and next year
if he plays another tag both years, as opposed to
whatever sort of deal was offered, especially was what fourteen million?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, I mean it's it's four.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
More million that he's making this year, and maybe depending
on the guarantees within that, you've got something that brings
you higher than what the next two years of the
franchise tag would be. So I mean, look again, I
think agents, by and large, you know, should have the
best interest of the player in mind. But let's not
get it twisted. They're trying to do a deal in
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most cases, and they'll make sure they convince their client
of things that they probably need to, you know, realize
they're not going to get if they want to, if
they want to get that deal done.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So Le'Veon Bell came out recently and was sort of
apologizing to Steelers fans. I never apologized to Steelers fans.
I should have never left, et cetera, et cetera. And
he's talked about regretting his decision to hold out the
season he did. He ended up getting a deal with
the Jets afterwards, but he was just never the same.
And I just wonder does he regret leaving the Steelers
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or does he regret sitting out and missing that money
that he was going to make in the franchise year
with Pittsburgh, because it feels like the situation with the
Jets was sort of a no win situation. Yeah, he
got paid, but his career was never the same. I
wonder if Patty stayed with Pittsburgh, he would have seen
more dollars at the back end, even though the wear
and tear would have been there. Like I always wonder
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that because he has talked multiple times in the past
about regretting that decision, and I wonder does he regret
the money aspect or leaving Pittsburgh because the situation was
so good there, because he was never the same.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
The interesting thing about that is what was he scheduled
to make under the tag that year fourteen fourteen around there,
which you know, when you combed through his entire career,
there was only one time he made more than that
fourteen million he would have made under the tag that year. Yeah,
and that was his first year with the Jets. He
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never made as much after that. And you know, it's hard,
I think for a lot of players to be able
to come to the realization that of what their worth is.
Every single player is confident enough and believes that they
should be paid more than they're being paid. By the way,
I think a lot of people are listening right now
probably feel like they should be paid more than they're
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being paid.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
A lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
The reality is, you know, you've got to have a
combination of a few things. Sometimes luck, sometimes just sheer
timing where you hit at the right spot. You know,
we've talked about this in regards to the deals that
that broadcasters have signed. Right when when Tony Romo found
that perfect timing and that perfect leverage point with CBS
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to get paid a ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Amount of money.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You know, if you really look at it and cut up,
like what attributed to that, Well, he had done a
good job and CBS needed someone they had a super
Bowl coming up, like he was the guy, and he
was able to leverage all of that into a huge contract.
You know, you find them in a non Super Bowl year,
different point, or maybe now where some of there's more criticism,
or maybe the reviews aren't as good.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
He's probably not getting that deal.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So a lot of it has to do with situation
and circumstance when you are able to strike and be
able to get the deal that you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And right now for running backs, it's just not that
time in the league.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Maybe things will change where you know, we go back
to having a more run heavy offense. I don't think
that's going to happen, but maybe maybe that's somewhere in
the future, who knows, And maybe that's where the you know,
time will change.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And look at it's fourteen and a half million dollars
was the franchise tag that he passed on in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
That's crazy, I mean think about it, like, so it's
regressed by four million, basically a little over four million
since then, and that was to do what twenty eighteen
sous five years ago.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Five years ago.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
That's horrible.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Man, it sucks.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Is there any other franchise tag that's declining or regressing?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
I don't think so, not like that.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean you're.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Talking about like guards, like starting guards, top of the
line guards in the NFL getting paid more than the
running backs, which it lends you to understand the minds
of a lot of gms, right, Like they're basically telling you,
we would rather pay the guys who are protecting the
quarterback and creating the holes for the running back than
the running back. Like, that's what they're saying to you.
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As much as you want to protect your asset as
a quarterback, they're basically saying, we feel like the money
is better spent an offensive lineman because we could put,
you know, a running back back there that can run
through that hole, regardless of who it is or where
it comes from.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And you pointed out on the notes before the show,
the average running back salary lesson kickers. Yeah, my god, man, Yeah,
what the hell I.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Means significantly, But some of that is a little skewed
because it probably has somewhat to do with like how
many young drafted running backs there are who are playing
on those like rookie salaries or those rookie deals, right,
which is.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Part of what we're seeing. And there's a lot of
running backs that have taken issue with this.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But there is a thought out there that front office
folks think that you draft a running back, whether he's
first round, fourth round, you know whatever, you let him
play out his rookie contract, and if he plays well,
you tag him, and maybe you tag him twice, but
then you move on after that and you don't have
to invest long term money or big dollars into a
running back because there's always more coming down the pipeline.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
But they took sa quon number two, so they don't
get to use that as an excuse meaning what meaning
that instead of looking at like, yeah, it's a rookie contract,
even at number two, but you took him with the
number two overall pick, you've you've established his value, you know, well, they've.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Established his value and as rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
But all I'm saying is like they look at it
and saying, you know, we'll gladly let him play out
his rookie deal and franchise tag him once maybe twice,
and then after that we'll go draft.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
No.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Pick your option you can also utilize.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
But again, you've established his value by taking him number two. Overall,
you're saying that we think that this guy is a
franchise caliber guy, and that's why we're taking him at
this pick.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Sure, I mean that's.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Why you're paying him in his rookie deal that, but
it doesn't mean anything for his next deal. The teams
that took Jon Robinson this year.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, it could play.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It plays, it plays a factor in in the next
deal just from the simple simple fact of what they've been,
what they've been made to to the fan base like
that is that's they become like top draft picks generally,
if they perform well, become the face of your franchise.
So you're going to usually pay them the money that
there generally you think they're deserve.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I would say this, he's already the face of the franchise.
The offense is already a build around him. That the
reality is that still doesn't matter. The Giants, they have enough,
they don't want to go over right, clearly. Yeah, so
I just think most teams view the face of the
franchise is the quarterback and and it ends there.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox Sports Radio,
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up in a less than twenty minutes from now from
the tire Rack dot Com studios, we are going to
have another edition of You In or You Out, So
that'll be yours here on FSR. So Brent vettibles the
head coach of Oklahoma, who, by the way, I don't
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know if you guys saw this, but they are bringing
back the Red River Shootout name for the final game
coming up between Oklahoma and Texas and the.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Big So they're bringing it back just for this year.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, just one year, a little little you know, Cyonara
to the Big twelve with you know, some Red River
Shootout renaming and rebranding there. So it's back. Interesting. Yeah,
So that that was that was the big news that
was announced there before they embarked for this see soon.
But Brett Venables, the head coach of Oklahoma, coming off
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a scorching hot six and seven season for the Sooners,
decided he would share his thoughts with the situation going
on in Colorado with Deon Sanders and sort of the
approach to roster building there. So he was talking with
k r e F ninety four to seven FM in
a recent interview following Big twelve media days, and the
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Oklahoma coach had to.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Say this, I gave guys twelve months of grace, and
I was unlike Dion, I gave guys twelve months of
grace to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Here's the three.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
You know, go to class, live right off the field,
and you show up over here, man, you show up
with respect and appreciation for your opportunity. And if you
go over three for twelve months, you need a fresh start.
So we helped twenty one guys you know, give or take,
you know, find a you know, a fresh star.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah take that, Dion take that.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I mean, can somebody explain what is twelve months of grace? Mean?
It meant?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You know, when he got there, he wasn't serving kids
saying you're not gonna make it like go transfer. Now
you know, he wasn't encouraging kids to transfer out of
the program just because he was a new head coach
and he could right. And here's the here's the bottom
line because of how Dion did it, which I think
it's got a little bit misconstrued to how Dion handled
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things like Dean was very truthful and forthcoming with what
he was attempting to do and with what he thought
of the players that were there.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
And if a coach comes in and says.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
To you like I don't believe you're good enough, I'd
like you to take an opportunity to look to go
somewhere else. He's really got your best interest in mine
and the and that's and that's one philosophy. And by
the way, a lot of people this wasn't publicized. Dion
allowed guys if they wanted to stay at school to
you know, continue to stay even if they weren't going
to be a part of the team.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
And you're that that's what I'm asking cause here and
I'm glad you brought that point up. So go you
finished your point, So I'm glad. I'm gonna focus on
what you just said just now.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
We'll go.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, and look, that's one way of doing it, and
that's fine. Like we all get to witness this year
how it's going to work out, and and if they
win three four games, that's a remarkable improvement from where
Colorado was compared to last year as a one win team.
You know, Brent Vennables has chosen a different approach. He
wanted to give everyone there an opportunity over the next
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year to see if they like not only his coaching style,
but want to continue to stay within the program, and
then after that year come back reevaluate and decide, hey,
you went over three with the three different things we've
asked you to do. We think it's time you go
somewhere else because clearly you're not buying into our cultural
culture and our program. You know, it's a different way
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of doing it. It doesn't make it, you know right,
It doesn't make it you know wrong. Maybe some people
feel like it is because that's not their style, but
there's all sorts of different ways of doing this. I
don't think you need to condemn other coaches for how
they've handled things. And I think for anyone who knows
Diannor has been around them, you know, it came off
a certain way because of how the media portrayed it.
(24:31):
In reality, it wasn't like he wasn't being upfront with
those players about the expectation that he had.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Come on, talk to him cute.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, I'm just saying to I think we live in
a world now where adults are afraid or apprehensive to
speak truth into young people's lives.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Come on, man, And so when you find someone like.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Prime, Who's Who's who? Is that right?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
He's old school and he's he's willing to talk truth
into young people and they might not want to hear it.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
It.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Honestly, can be a saving grace for a lot of
those young men because he's gonna give them a chance
to have a new opportunity somewhere else instead of spending
a year there where it wasn't gonna work out.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And sometimes that's the best thing for them.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It might not feel good in the moment, but they'll
look back five ten years from now and say, hey,
that was the best thing for me.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
To be honest with me, Yeah, I gave you twelve
twelve months of grace, meaning that I came in I
don't want you. I don't want you, so you have
this amount of time to figure out what you want
to do, but I don't want you. Like here's my
translation on these things. To bring Dion up in that scenario,
(25:43):
all you're doing is acknowledging the fact that you can't
You need that time. You know what you need as
in that grace period. You need those bodies. You need
those bodies. That's why they had that grace period. Don't
act like you're doing them a favor that you need
those bodies because you're not getting transfers at a rapid clip.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
The same way, Dion is not the type of player
that Dion's.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
You know they look, I'm not going to go that
far and saying that because Oklahoma is very well outfitted
from a recruiting sure and money. What I'll say is
this because because I'm not going to condemn coach Venables
now he's handled it either, yea, Because I also think
there's an element of him saying I want to get
a chance to put my hands and work with these
kids to see what they're capable of doing, because maybe
(26:30):
maybe I feel like I could help change some things
and help improve them and make them better. I want
to give them the chance to be around me for
you and see if I can't help them grow into
the player that I think they could be, or maybe
that they can be.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
But that wasn't his but to bring Dion into the conversation,
says to me, you're creating a comparable, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
So I mean, I get it, and that's where he
that's where to me, it's wrong.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
And that's that's the only that's that's the only reason
why I draw the conclusion that I draw is what
people don't really about Dion that they they may or
may not ever figure out, is Dion has touch points
with all of these guys when they're in eighth grade,
seventh grade, Like.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Dion knows most of these kids.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
So when when he left and went to Colorado and
started getting all of these, you know, high profile guys
interested in wanting to come there, a lot of these
dudes he already known. He knew them since they were
in high school. So I think people underestimate the relationships,
the personal value of relationships that Dion has with a
(27:35):
lot of the kids that he deals with. This isn't
just like I could see if this is just recruiting
apples versus apples. Recruiting is recruiting, but that's not what's
going on here.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think there is elements of that as far as
the undertones, because if you if you followed Brent vnnables
over the past couple of weeks's there's a couple of
things to play for starters, he kind of took a
shot at Maria Cristobal, and I don't know if he
was fully conscious of doing it or if he just
kind of had said it off the top of his head,
you know, right, it was the first thing that came
(28:07):
to mind. But he talked about the records and how
you lose and who you lose to in regards to
his first year as head coach, and it was a
direct comparison to really to Mario Crystable with the teams
that he used that Miami lost you last year. So
that then kind of brought to light, Okay, like is
he throwing shade at Mario crystabal? Is it just something
(28:29):
that again came to his mind in the moment and
he wasn't thinking deeper about what he's saying. Maybe he
doesn't care, right, Maybe he's just speaking his mind and
he doesn't care how people view one way or another,
which is you know, that's fine if that's how he
wants to handle things as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I think.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
There could be elements of you know, maybe you're in
some recruiting battles and you want to send out some
messaging to a guy who's trying to recruit the same
player as who's down in Miami, or to a guy
who to your point, LeVar, he's able to recruit on
the level with Oklahoma because he's prime where where it
wasn't that wasn't the case before, correctause Oklahoma can recruit
(29:06):
pretty much whoever they want, whatever they want there you go,
so so there could be undertones of that, and I
just feel like it never it never serves you well
to try to knock down the other guy to make
yourself look better.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think you end up making yourself look worse in
the end.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Well, and it feels like somebody who's you know, got
some heat on his back because they were not good
last year. And you got Lincoln Riley, who's you know,
got you know, the number one draft picking Caleb Williams
and brought him with him to USC and Brett Biddables
just sitting there building.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
There's some frustration there, but they moved on from that.
I just think this is a year where Texas has
slated or at least picked to be the winner of
the Big Twelve. It's the last year about Texas and
Oklahoma will be there. I think Oklahoma knows that. You know,
there were some bad losses last year. Now, they did
pick things up towards the end of the season, at
least defensively and offensively, they were kind of there all year.
(30:00):
It's just statistically when you look at where they were
when Lincoln was there versus where they were last year,
they're about a touchdown less per game, and you could
sit there and say, well, how big of a difference
does that make? Well, I'll tell you they've lost five
one possession games, So you tell me how big a
touchdown less means. Then if they're scoring a touchdown more,
(30:20):
those are games going in overtime, maybe they're winning in
some instances, you know, that's what kind of difference it makes.
They go from a six and seven team to I
don't know, you know, chalk up five more wins, eleven
and two or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
It maybe you know, one quick point before we get
out of this too from me is maybe Venerables is
looking at it from the aspect of putting it out
there to your players, current players and to your future
players that caring, caring matters, like I care about you,
(30:53):
even if you know it doesn't work out for you here.
Because the transfer portal is very the nil is very real.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
They need to change that, dude.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
It's creating, it's creating so much complicatedness and how the
rules of engagement are supposed to be approach. You're hearing
about all these go ahead one time of year. You
can't have these two windows.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
You can't have one that that's in December, going to
the January and then one that's in May. Just have one,
just have one window where you can go get into
the portal and transfer and you can go take visits
and all that. You'll have your sixty days because right
now it's broken up into forty five days after the
season in December and January, and then you have fifteen
days in May. Make it one, and then you make
(31:44):
young men have to commit at least for a year.
I don't think that's too much to ask, you know.
And you can have waivers in there, like look at
the situation Northwestern. We just had a linebacker today and
enters name into the transfer portal. It's the first player.
I think his name is Nigel Glover if I'm not mistaken.
But you can have for situations like that where a
coach gets fired two weeks before the season starts.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I mean, it may be hard to feel the team,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
But it'll be hard for you to find a place
to land too, right yeah, No, that's the.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Other part of it. Well, and you won't be able
to until the end of the year. He's just in
the portal.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Now, right right, right, Yeah, that's just complicated. Now, man
and coaches are dealing with a lot of different variables
that they didn't have to deal with before.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
It's complicated complex.
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Speaker 2 (35:05):
Guys?
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Happy July eighteenth to you? Which was It is Nelson
Mandela's birthday, which makes me uh, of course remember the
Nelson Mandela effect. You guys know the Mandela effect, correct now.
It's the common belief in something that really didn't happen.
For example, the reason why it's called the Mandela effect
is many people believe they remember Mandela passing away in
(35:26):
prison in South Africa in the eighties, when in fact
he passed away in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Well, he wasn't in prison when he passed away either.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
That is correct.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
Yes, he later became president of Southamber.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So isn't that just bad information? Why is that the Mandela?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Well, there's also there's many examples of this. Many people
remember a movie called Shizam in the nineties starring Sindbad
as a genie. Well, that never really happened.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Shack shack, Yes, because yes, Shaq was kazam kotzam.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
It often happens with logos. Many people believe there's a
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bears with an E when it's really an A.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What's the other? Peter?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
But Skippy is skippy?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Skippy?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
What a name?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Skippy?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I'm a Santa Cruz guy.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Peter Pan? Again, wasn't there Peter Pan? What was that?
There's a lot now, m.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
Guys, I wish Jake, Well, are you guys enter out
on the Mandel effect? You believe there's something?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I don't understand it well enough.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
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don't understand what you just.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Did with this, just because I guess some people believe
it's an example that there are parallel universes.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Okay, okay, well moving on, stop smoking Barbie and now
the metaverse or VOLTI.
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Wow, you got to put them up on game baby. Yeah, guys.
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Yeah, but I had white Castle in the supermarket.
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They do like the castle, Yeah.
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I've had lots of white castles, only in the microwave version.
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I'm in?
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Mar Cause you know I gotta get that weight off
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be good.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Lot.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
So the big discussion in the NFL is this deadline
that was put in plays for franchise tag players to
get a long term deal done that came and went
yesterday four pm Eastern time. Saquon Barkley and Josh Jacobs
did not get a deal done. I did see this
from Tom Pelisero who said that, and you guys tell
(01:32):
me whether or not this would have mattered at all,
But I guess Josh Jacobs and the Raiders got really
close to getting something done and he Repelsara reported on
NFL Network yesterday that Josh Jacobs went to the facility
and sat in his car with Max Crosby just in
(01:52):
case they got a deal done towards the end. Why
would he need to sit in the parking lot of
a car to get a deal done deadline?
Speaker 4 (02:01):
They need to beat the deadline. If they say get
in there and sign it, yeah, you gotta be there.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
You don't want to have the fact snafu like we
have a Stuberville remember that back in the day.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Yeah, what was that he was it Denver. It was
Denver in Baltimore. So he was gonna sign with Denver
and then he ended up with Baltimore. Is that what happened?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Yeah, it is what happened, isn't it? Deal fell apart?
Speaker 3 (02:22):
So you like you like he would take that long
to fact something over or just like give your agent
the you know, the sign seal of approval. Hey, I'm
good to go with this, Like we agree to this,
Like he's got to sit in the parking lot and
what run in to try and beat the clock. I mean,
come on, man, what are we doing here? It feels
like a lot of semantics for a deal that was
(02:42):
just never going to get done, but now he can.
But do you think the deadline should be started the
regular season? If you're gonna have a deadline, how about
start of the regular season? This July seventeenth. Crap has
got to go.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yeah, but it helps.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
You, again help figure out your cap situation. You still
have to technically do that before the start of the season.
That's why you get to your final roster cutdown. But
I think it gives you a little bit more clarity
going into it, Like you got to draw the lines somewhere.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I just think you know, I was always told deadlines
due deals apparently not.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah, well that's why they set up these like fictitious
deadlines sometimes, you know, when you hear like an agent
and player, they're like, if we don't get a long
term deal done all right before the season starts, we're
not signing one. Okay, so week six, after you've just
towarded the NFL for the last six games, you're not
going to sign an extension?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Then, I mean, come on, So both of you guys
think for yourselves, like you're not really easily steered into
a direction by people around you. So I asked that
to ask this, or I say that to ask this,
did you ever find yourself when an agent was representing
you in some sort of a negotiation, either football related
(03:53):
or business related to where you just thought, are we
sure we should be doing it this way? Like, even
though you're the agent, you're the guy in charge. Are
we sure we should be setting the deadline or be
taking this approach when when we're trying to get a
deal done. Because Saquon Barkley switched up representation, apparently it
was Rock Nation and then it went to CIA. You've
(04:14):
got this deadline that was met, You've got Josh Jacob
sitting in a parking lot. Did you guys ever find
yourselves looking at your agent going this is the right
move for this? No?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, I mean sitting in the car thing.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, just like like when your agent is representing you
and they're taking an approach, did you ever find yourself
not agreeing with the It's.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
A touchy topic for me.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
You know, we'll go ahead far come speak, man.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
It's just a touchy topic just because of how things
ended in Washington, because it was all based upon my
demise was based off of a contract snafu. Ooh, you know,
so fax machine maybe.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So like faxt spacines still exists. They're pretty bad ass
you think about it. It is kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
But there were there were mistakes.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
There were like literally up to ten errors within the
contract that the contract got certified, and these errors were
still on, you know, on the pages. How I mean
that there were errors, you know, like there there were
there were typos, there were there were things that were
(05:29):
omitted that just weren't there. There was just a few
things that that needed to be changed or taken out,
like altered. I mean, you're you're talking about you're working.
They were most likely working from my older deal, right,
the deal that was being done, and and so you
go over that deal, you're you know, you're not doing
(05:50):
a deal that's like, I didn't do a deal that
was from scratch.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
It was just.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Adjusting what I had already did, what my earning percentage was,
and then I was getting more money. It was a restructuring,
so I was getting more money up front and less
money on the back end. And it was just one
of those you know, it was a last minute contract
deal because they needed to get under the salary cap.
(06:15):
And the reason why it was so last minute is
because and I've since learned like kind of more of
the details of it because me and Champ Bailey hadn't
even discussed it. We hadn't even talked about yeah, right,
they wanted what Okay, it kind of sounded like you said, baby,
But anyway, it was one of those things where Champ
(06:41):
they were trying to get Champ restructured. But as Champ
tells it, they weren't trying to sign him at all,
Like they weren't.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
They weren't offering him the money that he wanted.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
He wasn't one of Dan Snyder's guys, and so they
were willing to let him go. I had no idea
that was the case. They came to me and told
me they were trying to get chap Re signed and restructured,
and Champ declined because he didn't want to come back.
So I'm thinking, like, well, our restructure. I mean, hell,
(07:13):
I got a good contract going right now. I don't
need to I got like two or three years left
on my contract. So our restructure to help the team.
And there were you know, it was a very last
last minute there we go deadline to being able to
get under the salary cap and be legal as a team.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Were in the parking lot waiting for the deal to
get done.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
All right, No, but I had to rush and this
was on a Saturday. I had to rush back over
to the office. And I should have known something was
weird because it was just it was just Dan, Like
I wasn't in there with with like anybody else. It
was just me and Dan, Danny and everybody else was
(07:56):
on the phone, and so we were going through it.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
Yeah, we were.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
And it was a long ass contract, like it was
a lot of pages to that contract. And I remember
saying to Dan before and here's where where the whole do.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You feel like that's where you get in trouble, Like
it's kind of like being in like interrogated by a cop.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
But you're like, wait a second, I don't have my lawyer.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
I don't have my lawyer presence.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
I don't even know if I did anything wrong, but like,
I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Do anything wrong or say anything wrong, so maybe I
need to have like an attorney present here.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I felt like I was building I was showing my loyalties,
I was showing my willingness to help and and and
so I felt like it was just strengthening our relationship.
And and I was like, I just remember saying before
I left, I was like, you know, if there are
if there are mistakes that are in here, like typos
(08:46):
or anything like that, they'll they'll get initialed and we'll
just will adjust it because in the interest of time,
let's just say we're doing the deal so that we
can get it under the salary cap. Like that was
kind of what I remember saying. I jumped in a
squad car. So I jumped in the squad car and
they turned the lights on. So you got to turn
lights on. Just did a dope ass deal. So we
(09:08):
drove from Ashburn, Virginia to Green Belt, Maryland with the
lights on, like flying.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
I mean, why not?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
It's the question it was going to be. It was
going to be some crazy traffic. Yeah, I needed to
get the meetings and I was waiting.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Around to sign this last Yeah, so I told him, like, Mike,
turn the lights on. Mike had the lights on. We
was we was floating. We went around all that belt traffic.
So anyway, that was the best part of that day.
I'll tell you that, you know, and and so, But
to answer your question, Hell, yes, there had been moments
(09:45):
where you look at your agent and you're like, is
this Like are are we sure this is the best,
you know, way to go about doing this, you know,
and and.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
And and that.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Like the bad thing about when you had those moments
is for every time that nothing comes of it, it's
like the one time that something does that that ends
up being like where you feel a certain type of way,
you know, because you still got to take ownership over
the fact that that's your contract, that's your business. So
you make sure you're handling your business the way that
(10:18):
you're supposed to. But then you sit there and you
think to yourself, I'm giving this person a percentage of
what I'm about to make. They should make sure every
I is dotted and every cre t is crossed, and
everything is really working in my favor to take care
of me and my best interests. And I don't know
that that's always the case when you're dealing with agents.
(10:40):
I just really don't think that that's always going to
be the premise of what how the rules of engagement
take place.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Well, look, I mean agents want to get a deal.
I mean that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
They make money when deals get done, so they're they're
not only to you know, act on your best behalf
as a player, because they're representing you.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
You pay them, but they're not getting paid if the
deal doesn't get done.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So you know, if you take for example, because what
was the Saquon and the New York Giants, I believe
they were like what two million apart less than two million?
I think I saw somewhere in as far as guarantees
and total value.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I said this yesterday. I stand by it.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Like if I'm an agent in that instance, I mean
you're going to earn fees off as marketing dollars in
the number one media market as him being a captain.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Of the New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Just cut your loss man, say hey, look, I'm willing
in order to help you out, I'm willing to either
give back a couple percentage points right usually agents hit
three percent, say I'm gonna do this for one percent
for you, or I'll do it for nothing, you know,
and still get some of the marketing dollars you know
from the player. But getting the deal done in that
instance is the most important thing. And the fact that
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they were only two million or less than that apart,
Like that's your job to figure out a way of
making it work. The ownership's going to have their press
that they don't want to break. The players got things
that he wants and you're trying your best to represent him.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
But at the end of the day, like you need
to get the deal done.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So it could sometimes be a little tough where you
have to convince your.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Client where to budget, where to give and take.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
You know what to do because if you're you know
Saquan's representation and obviously he is represented by CAA as
well as Rock Nation. You know, that became well publicized.
There's going to be issues like moving forward in the future, right,
I don't know that the grass is going to be
greener if he gets to free agency after this year
and has the chance to go sign a longer term
(12:37):
deals a running back, Like those contracts just aren't really
there for running backs right now, and they so they
probably look in the short term, like, you know, is
it in his best interest to go just get franchise tag.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Next two years in New York?
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Maybe, but I would think you're you're only taking on
more wear and tear between this year and next year
if he plays another tag both years, as opposed to
whatever sort of deal was offered, especially was what fourteen million?
Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, I mean it's it's four.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
More million that he's making this year, and maybe depending
on the guarantees within that, you've got something that brings
you higher than what the next two years of the
franchise tag would be. So I mean, look again, I
think agents, by and large, you know, should have the
best interest of the player in mind. But let's not
get it twisted. They're trying to do a deal in
(13:27):
most cases, and they'll make sure they convince their client
of things that they probably need to, you know, realize
they're not going to get if they want to, if
they want to get that deal done.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So Le'Veon Bell came out recently and was sort of
apologizing to Steelers fans. I never apologized to Steelers fans.
I should have never left, et cetera, et cetera. And
he's talked about regretting his decision to hold out the
season he did. He ended up getting a deal with
the Jets afterwards, but he was just never the same.
And I just wonder does he regret leaving the Steelers
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or does he regret sitting out and missing that money
that he was going to make in the franchise year
with Pittsburgh, because it feels like the situation with the
Jets was sort of a no win situation. Yeah, he
got paid, but his career was never the same. I
wonder if Patty stayed with Pittsburgh, he would have seen
more dollars at the back end, even though the wear
and tear would have been there. Like I always wonder
(14:24):
that because he has talked multiple times in the past
about regretting that decision, and I wonder does he regret
the money aspect or leaving Pittsburgh because the situation was
so good there, because he was never the same.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
The interesting thing about that is what was he scheduled
to make under the tag that year fourteen fourteen around there,
which you know, when you combed through his entire career,
there was only one time he made more than that
fourteen million he would have made under the tag that year. Yeah,
and that was his first year with the Jets. He
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never made as much after that. And you know, it's hard,
I think for a lot of players to be able
to come to the realization that of what their worth is.
Every single player is confident enough and believes that they
should be paid more than they're being paid. By the way,
I think a lot of people are listening right now
probably feel like they should be paid more than they're
(15:18):
being paid.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
A lot of people feel that way.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
The reality is, you know, you've got to have a
combination of a few things. Sometimes luck, sometimes just sheer
timing where you hit at the right spot. You know,
we've talked about this in regards to the deals that
that broadcasters have signed. Right when when Tony Romo found
that perfect timing and that perfect leverage point with CBS
(15:42):
to get paid a ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Amount of money.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
You know, if you really look at it and cut up,
like what attributed to that, Well, he had done a
good job and CBS needed someone they had a super
Bowl coming up, like he was the guy, and he
was able to leverage all of that into a huge contract.
You know, you find them in a non Super Bowl year,
different point, or maybe now where some of there's more criticism,
or maybe the reviews aren't as good.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
He's probably not getting that deal.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
So a lot of it has to do with situation
and circumstance when you are able to strike and be
able to get the deal that you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And right now for running backs, it's just not that
time in the league.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Maybe things will change where you know, we go back
to having a more run heavy offense. I don't think
that's going to happen, but maybe maybe that's somewhere in
the future, who knows, And maybe that's where the you know,
time will change.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
And look at it's fourteen and a half million dollars
was the franchise tag that he passed on in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
That's crazy, I mean think about it, like, so it's
regressed by four million, basically a little over four million
since then, and that was to do what twenty eighteen
sous five years ago.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Five years ago.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
That's horrible.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Man, it sucks.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Is there any other franchise tag that's declining or regressing?
Speaker 3 (16:57):
I don't think so, not like that.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I mean you're.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Talking about like guards, like starting guards, top of the
line guards in the NFL getting paid more than the
running backs, which it lends you to understand the minds
of a lot of gms, right, Like they're basically telling you,
we would rather pay the guys who are protecting the
quarterback and creating the holes for the running back than
the running back. Like, that's what they're saying to you.
(17:22):
As much as you want to protect your asset as
a quarterback, they're basically saying, we feel like the money
is better spent an offensive lineman because we could put,
you know, a running back back there that can run
through that hole, regardless of who it is or where
it comes from.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
And you pointed out on the notes before the show,
the average running back salary lesson kickers. Yeah, my god, man, Yeah,
what the hell I.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Means significantly, But some of that is a little skewed
because it probably has somewhat to do with like how
many young drafted running backs there are who are playing
on those like rookie salaries or those rookie deals, right,
which is.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Part of what we're seeing. And there's a lot of
running backs that have taken issue with this.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
But there is a thought out there that front office
folks think that you draft a running back, whether he's
first round, fourth round, you know whatever, you let him
play out his rookie contract, and if he plays well,
you tag him, and maybe you tag him twice, but
then you move on after that and you don't have
to invest long term money or big dollars into a
running back because there's always more coming down the pipeline.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
But they took sa quon number two, so they don't
get to use that as an excuse meaning what meaning
that instead of looking at like, yeah, it's a rookie contract,
even at number two, but you took him with the
number two overall pick, you've you've established his value, you know, well, they've.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Established his value and as rookie deal.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
But all I'm saying is like they look at it
and saying, you know, we'll gladly let him play out
his rookie deal and franchise tag him once maybe twice,
and then after that we'll go draft.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
No.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
I get what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Pick your option you can also utilize.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
But again, you've established his value by taking him number two. Overall,
you're saying that we think that this guy is a
franchise caliber guy, and that's why we're taking him at
this pick.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Sure, I mean that's.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Why you're paying him in his rookie deal that, but
it doesn't mean anything for his next deal. The teams
that took Jon Robinson this year.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, it could play.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It plays, it plays a factor in in the next
deal just from the simple simple fact of what they've been,
what they've been made to to the fan base like
that is that's they become like top draft picks generally,
if they perform well, become the face of your franchise.
So you're going to usually pay them the money that
there generally you think they're deserve.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
I would say this, he's already the face of the franchise.
The offense is already a build around him. That the
reality is that still doesn't matter. The Giants, they have enough,
they don't want to go over right, clearly. Yeah, so
I just think most teams view the face of the
franchise is the quarterback and and it ends there.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
You know.
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the tire Rack dot Com studios, we are going to
have another edition of You In or You Out, So
that'll be yours here on FSR. So Brent vettibles the
head coach of Oklahoma, who, by the way, I don't
(20:58):
know if you guys saw this, but they are bringing
back the Red River Shootout name for the final game
coming up between Oklahoma and Texas and the.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Big So they're bringing it back just for this year.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, just one year, a little little you know, Cyonara
to the Big twelve with you know, some Red River
Shootout renaming and rebranding there. So it's back. Interesting. Yeah,
So that that was that was the big news that
was announced there before they embarked for this see soon.
But Brett Venables, the head coach of Oklahoma, coming off
(21:29):
a scorching hot six and seven season for the Sooners,
decided he would share his thoughts with the situation going
on in Colorado with Deon Sanders and sort of the
approach to roster building there. So he was talking with
k r e F ninety four to seven FM in
a recent interview following Big twelve media days, and the
(21:52):
Oklahoma coach had to.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Say this, I gave guys twelve months of grace, and
I was unlike Dion, I gave guys twelve months of
grace to figure it out.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Here's the three.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
You know, go to class, live right off the field,
and you show up over here, man, you show up
with respect and appreciation for your opportunity. And if you
go over three for twelve months, you need a fresh start.
So we helped twenty one guys you know, give or take,
you know, find a you know, a fresh star.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Yeah take that, Dion take that.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
I mean, can somebody explain what is twelve months of grace? Mean?
It meant?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
You know, when he got there, he wasn't serving kids
saying you're not gonna make it like go transfer. Now
you know, he wasn't encouraging kids to transfer out of
the program just because he was a new head coach
and he could right. And here's the here's the bottom
line because of how Dion did it, which I think
it's got a little bit misconstrued to how Dion handled
(22:45):
things like Dean was very truthful and forthcoming with what
he was attempting to do and with what he thought
of the players that were there.
Speaker 5 (22:55):
And if a coach comes in and says.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
To you like I don't believe you're good enough, I'd
like you to take an opportunity to look to go
somewhere else. He's really got your best interest in mine
and the and that's and that's one philosophy. And by
the way, a lot of people this wasn't publicized. Dion
allowed guys if they wanted to stay at school to
you know, continue to stay even if they weren't going
to be a part of the team.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
And you're that that's what I'm asking cause here and
I'm glad you brought that point up. So go you
finished your point, So I'm glad. I'm gonna focus on
what you just said just now.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
We'll go.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Yeah, and look, that's one way of doing it, and
that's fine. Like we all get to witness this year
how it's going to work out, and and if they
win three four games, that's a remarkable improvement from where
Colorado was compared to last year as a one win team.
You know, Brent Vennables has chosen a different approach. He
wanted to give everyone there an opportunity over the next
(23:46):
year to see if they like not only his coaching style,
but want to continue to stay within the program, and
then after that year come back reevaluate and decide, hey,
you went over three with the three different things we've
asked you to do. We think it's time you go
somewhere else because clearly you're not buying into our cultural
culture and our program. You know, it's a different way
(24:09):
of doing it. It doesn't make it, you know right,
It doesn't make it you know wrong. Maybe some people
feel like it is because that's not their style, but
there's all sorts of different ways of doing this. I
don't think you need to condemn other coaches for how
they've handled things. And I think for anyone who knows
Diannor has been around them, you know, it came off
a certain way because of how the media portrayed it.
(24:31):
In reality, it wasn't like he wasn't being upfront with
those players about the expectation that he had.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Come on, talk to him cute.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, I'm just saying to I think we live in
a world now where adults are afraid or apprehensive to
speak truth into young people's lives.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Come on, man, And so when you find someone like.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Prime, Who's Who's who? Is that right?
Speaker 1 (24:54):
He's old school and he's he's willing to talk truth
into young people and they might not want to hear it.
Speaker 8 (25:01):
It.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Honestly, can be a saving grace for a lot of
those young men because he's gonna give them a chance
to have a new opportunity somewhere else instead of spending
a year there where it wasn't gonna work out.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
And sometimes that's the best thing for them.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
It might not feel good in the moment, but they'll
look back five ten years from now and say, hey,
that was the best thing for me.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
To be honest with me, Yeah, I gave you twelve
twelve months of grace, meaning that I came in I
don't want you. I don't want you, so you have
this amount of time to figure out what you want
to do, but I don't want you. Like here's my
translation on these things. To bring Dion up in that scenario,
(25:43):
all you're doing is acknowledging the fact that you can't
You need that time. You know what you need as
in that grace period. You need those bodies. You need
those bodies. That's why they had that grace period. Don't
act like you're doing them a favor that you need
those bodies because you're not getting transfers at a rapid clip.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
The same way, Dion is not the type of player
that Dion's.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
You know they look, I'm not going to go that
far and saying that because Oklahoma is very well outfitted
from a recruiting sure and money. What I'll say is
this because because I'm not going to condemn coach Venables
now he's handled it either, yea, Because I also think
there's an element of him saying I want to get
a chance to put my hands and work with these
kids to see what they're capable of doing, because maybe
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maybe I feel like I could help change some things
and help improve them and make them better. I want
to give them the chance to be around me for
you and see if I can't help them grow into
the player that I think they could be, or maybe
that they can be.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
But that wasn't his but to bring Dion into the conversation,
says to me, you're creating a comparable, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
So I mean, I get it, and that's where he
that's where to me, it's wrong.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
And that's that's the only that's that's the only reason
why I draw the conclusion that I draw is what
people don't really about Dion that they they may or
may not ever figure out, is Dion has touch points
with all of these guys when they're in eighth grade,
seventh grade, Like.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Dion knows most of these kids.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
So when when he left and went to Colorado and
started getting all of these, you know, high profile guys
interested in wanting to come there, a lot of these
dudes he already known. He knew them since they were
in high school. So I think people underestimate the relationships,
the personal value of relationships that Dion has with a
(27:35):
lot of the kids that he deals with. This isn't
just like I could see if this is just recruiting
apples versus apples. Recruiting is recruiting, but that's not what's
going on here.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I think there is elements of that as far as
the undertones, because if you if you followed Brent vnnables
over the past couple of weeks's there's a couple of
things to play for starters, he kind of took a
shot at Maria Cristobal, and I don't know if he
was fully conscious of doing it or if he just
kind of had said it off the top of his head,
you know, right, it was the first thing that came
(28:07):
to mind. But he talked about the records and how
you lose and who you lose to in regards to
his first year as head coach, and it was a
direct comparison to really to Mario Crystable with the teams
that he used that Miami lost you last year. So
that then kind of brought to light, Okay, like is
he throwing shade at Mario crystabal? Is it just something
(28:29):
that again came to his mind in the moment and
he wasn't thinking deeper about what he's saying. Maybe he
doesn't care, right, Maybe he's just speaking his mind and
he doesn't care how people view one way or another,
which is you know, that's fine if that's how he
wants to handle things as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
But I think.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
There could be elements of you know, maybe you're in
some recruiting battles and you want to send out some
messaging to a guy who's trying to recruit the same
player as who's down in Miami, or to a guy
who to your point, LeVar, he's able to recruit on
the level with Oklahoma because he's prime where where it
wasn't that wasn't the case before, correctause Oklahoma can recruit
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pretty much whoever they want, whatever they want there you go,
so so there could be undertones of that, and I
just feel like it never it never serves you well
to try to knock down the other guy to make
yourself look better.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I think you end up making yourself look worse in
the end.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Well, and it feels like somebody who's you know, got
some heat on his back because they were not good
last year. And you got Lincoln Riley, who's you know,
got you know, the number one draft picking Caleb Williams
and brought him with him to USC and Brett Biddables
just sitting there building.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
There's some frustration there, but they moved on from that.
I just think this is a year where Texas has
slated or at least picked to be the winner of
the Big Twelve. It's the last year about Texas and
Oklahoma will be there. I think Oklahoma knows that. You know,
there were some bad losses last year. Now, they did
pick things up towards the end of the season, at
least defensively and offensively, they were kind of there all year.
(30:00):
It's just statistically when you look at where they were
when Lincoln was there versus where they were last year,
they're about a touchdown less per game, and you could
sit there and say, well, how big of a difference
does that make? Well, I'll tell you they've lost five
one possession games, So you tell me how big a
touchdown less means. Then if they're scoring a touchdown more,
(30:20):
those are games going in overtime, maybe they're winning in
some instances, you know, that's what kind of difference it makes.
They go from a six and seven team to I
don't know, you know, chalk up five more wins, eleven
and two or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
It maybe you know, one quick point before we get
out of this too from me is maybe Venerables is
looking at it from the aspect of putting it out
there to your players, current players and to your future
players that caring, caring matters, like I care about you,
(30:53):
even if you know it doesn't work out for you here.
Because the transfer portal is very the nil is very real.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
They need to change that, dude.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
It's creating, it's creating so much complicatedness and how the
rules of engagement are supposed to be approach. You're hearing
about all these go ahead one time of year. You
can't have these two windows.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
You can't have one that that's in December, going to
the January and then one that's in May. Just have one,
just have one window where you can go get into
the portal and transfer and you can go take visits
and all that. You'll have your sixty days because right
now it's broken up into forty five days after the
season in December and January, and then you have fifteen
days in May. Make it one, and then you make
(31:44):
young men have to commit at least for a year.
I don't think that's too much to ask, you know.
And you can have waivers in there, like look at
the situation Northwestern. We just had a linebacker today and
enters name into the transfer portal. It's the first player.
I think his name is Nigel Glover if I'm not mistaken.
But you can have for situations like that where a
coach gets fired two weeks before the season starts.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I mean, it may be hard to feel the team,
but it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
But it'll be hard for you to find a place
to land too, right yeah, No, that's the.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Other part of it. Well, and you won't be able
to until the end of the year. He's just in
the portal.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Now, right right, right, Yeah, that's just complicated. Now, man
and coaches are dealing with a lot of different variables
that they didn't have to deal with before.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
It's complicated complex.
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Bill Murray.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Yeah that's right, Bill Murray, Bill Murray, Bill, come on,
come on, imagine that if you miss city, he's at.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
The yard with the milkshake, right, Bill Murray.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Okay, it makes sense.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
I mean it really doesn't, but I mean, damn, I'm
proud of as I tell you that as old ass
getting it dead damn right.
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Com two pros and a cup of show what you
to know?
Speaker 5 (35:00):
They're a plea or it there out?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Alright, Lee de Lap, what do we got?
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Guys?
Speaker 8 (35:06):
Happy July eighteenth to you? Which was It is Nelson
Mandela's birthday, which makes me uh, of course remember the
Nelson Mandela effect. You guys know the Mandela effect, correct now.
It's the common belief in something that really didn't happen.
For example, the reason why it's called the Mandela effect
is many people believe they remember Mandela passing away in
(35:26):
prison in South Africa in the eighties, when in fact
he passed away in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Well, he wasn't in prison when he passed away either.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
That is correct.
Speaker 8 (35:34):
Yes, he later became president of Southamber.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So isn't that just bad information? Why is that the Mandela?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
Well, there's also there's many examples of this. Many people
remember a movie called Shizam in the nineties starring Sindbad
as a genie. Well, that never really happened.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Shack shack, Yes, because yes, Shaq was kazam kotzam.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (35:54):
It often happens with logos. Many people believe there's a
Jiffy peanut butter when it's really just jiff yea Berenstein
bears with an E when it's really an A.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
What's the other? Peter?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
But Skippy is skippy?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Skippy?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
What a name?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
Skippy?
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I'm a Santa Cruz guy.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
Peter Pan? Again, wasn't there Peter Pan? What was that?
There's a lot now, m.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
Guys, I wish Jake, Well, are you guys enter out
on the Mandel effect? You believe there's something?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
I don't understand it well enough.
Speaker 9 (36:25):
So I'm just kind of like I'm out because I
don't understand what you just.
Speaker 8 (36:29):
Did with this, just because I guess some people believe
it's an example that there are parallel universes.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Okay, okay, well moving on, stop smoking Barbie and now
the metaverse or VOLTI.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Just putting you guys up on game there, guys.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
Wow, you got to put them up on game baby. Yeah, guys.
Speaker 8 (36:51):
I wish Jade was here because White Castle's got a
couple of new items on their menu.
Speaker 5 (36:56):
Season season chicken rings.
Speaker 8 (36:59):
And ghost pepper cheese on theirs as a possible cheese
topping on their white Castle.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
I've never had white Castle from an actual white Castle castle.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, I mean you've had white Castle that came from one.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Yeah, but I had white Castle in the supermarket.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
They do like the castle, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, Lee, What castle do you have, don't you?
Speaker 8 (37:31):
I've had lots of white castles, only in the microwave version.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
All right, all right, guys, is.
Speaker 8 (37:43):
National Caveyard Day you guys enter out on?
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I'm in?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Is it?
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Fish eggs on my on my pokey bowls and on
my sushi?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
I mean, too expensive, not worth it.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
I don't agree with that.
Speaker 8 (38:00):
McDonald's has a new cheesy jalapeno baking quarter pander with
cheese interact.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
Oh justin in Yeah spicy, I'm out spicy and it's
not I'm out.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
I want to be in though, but I'm out.
Speaker 8 (38:13):
Why are you out?
Speaker 4 (38:14):
Mar Cause you know I gotta get that weight off
my belly.
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