May 19, 2022 • 38 mins
Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington don’t think Nick Saban is a hypocrite for calling out the pitfalls of NIL. Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer gives an update on how Deshaun Watson’s contract with the Browns and potential suspension is affecting the landscape of the NFL. Plus, the daily edition of the BQ News.
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topic again because maybe the greatest of all time decided
to stir it up last night. We'll get into that
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for you coming up here just a couple of moments
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the hour nine am Eastern time, six o'clock Pacific. Right
here on fs are they have just teed off at
Southern Hills and Tulsa. It is the p g A Championship.
I know, LaVar, you've been all over this poor Man's
Masters very good. Uh and uh it's appropriate that John
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Daly was the first to tee off there. And he
looks fantastic. By the way, for those of you that
are watching on some sort of a streaming device. Uh,
he's wearing a green polo shirt what looked to be
Zuba's like grateful dead Zubas almost and um so I didn't.
I was a little disappointed. I thought he'd at least
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have a lung dart in at the first shot of
the tournament, but he didn't know root that having a cigarette.
It's John Daly, you know, like you know why not? Hey, Jonas,
you have weird fetishes, bro, What do you mean true?
Speaking of the text that I just received, you talking
about who has that stored on their And if you don't,
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how do you even find that? I din't even want
both two disturbing thoughts. I do not want to venture into.
I would have to concur um. Look I was simply
trying to ask if it was true that LaVar Arrington,
that there was an actual horse named LaVar Arrington. Back
there was there was, That's what I was saying. I
thought that that's what you were saying, so that that's
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my apology. Yeah, And for what it's worth, did you
get the wind? By the way, I didn't get the
wind because I didn't want the wind. I did not
want to beat my my younger brother. Q. Hold on,
But were you right though, because I what a happening.
I mean, apparently, LaVar Arrington is the name of a horse,
which is very flattering. I doubt that horse is still
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living at this point, but talk about it, talk about
what I mean, horse name or horse crap? Just we
we ran at a time LaVar one, yeah, with with
a one point lead. He stared. I didn't know if
he got the last one or not because you asked it.
But when we hit the brake, Well, if there's a technicality,
because LaVar Arrington is the name of a horse, apparently,
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but it's not the name of a horse that's running
this weekend, that would be so then, but would have
been the horse crap? We ran out of time unless
we were tied, unless Brady wants to try and tie
it right now. I mean, I'd love for a shot.
Let's do it. Let's do it, a let's do it.
Turf diggler. Horse crap. That is correct, and we're tied.
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So there is We're all tied up here. So I
just want to tell, why do you give Brady such
easy option? That is a difficult one. La oar turf Diggler.
The turff Diggler would have been difficult for somebody who's
a horse racing aficionado. They determined if people only knew that,
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combined with the text message, I just I was about
to say, hey, I was about to say it's tim
ro as it rolex ter Diggler, you could you could
probably roll it up. I mean, I just look new
time piece, a new time So, uh, look, we were
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going to uh full disclosure. We were going to lead
recapping the NBA game, but then uh, that NBA game
actually happened, and it was so bad last night that
we decided, well, Nick Saban made the round so for
the new audience that it was just waking up to this.
H here's the here's the controversial comments from Nick Saban
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he was speaking at an event in Birmingham, uh and
he had this to say about one Texas A and M.
This was last night from Nick Saban. But I know
the consequence is going to be difficult for the people
who are spending tons of money to get players. And
you've read about him, you know who they are. I mean,
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we were second in recruiting last year and then was first,
and then bought every player on their team, made a
deal for a name, image and age. All right, we
didn't buy one player, all right, But I don't know
if we're gonna be able to sustain that in the
future because more and more people are doing it. Okay, well,
here's a question I have for you, guys, um has
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anything that he has said wrong? Has he said anything wrong?
Is anything a lie? From Nick Saban? Like when he
said but when he said what he said in the beginning,
it was almost he kind of went in a different
direction with what he ended with, right like when he
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started what he what he was saying, like, can I
can we hear the first part again one more time?
Here was yeah, there we go. But I know the
consequence is going to be difficult for the people who
are spending tons of money to get players, and you've
read about them, you know who they are. I mean,
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we were second in recruiting last year and then was
first and then bought every player on their team, made
a deal for name, image and likeness. All right, we
didn't buy one player, all right, But I don't know
if we're going to be able to sustain that in
the future because more and more people are doing it now.
So he says the consequence of buying these players like
is he basically saying, we're going to get to the
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point of where we're going to start buying our players too,
and that's going to be the consequence. I'm trying or
did he vacate from what his original point was? Is
what the consequence? I think what he was saying is
that the people that are paying for name, image and likeness, um,
and also coaches that are promising that to two players
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to in order to get them to come to school
like that. I think that's that's what he was alluding to.
Is there's going to be a consequence to that. Um.
You know, at some point down the road, maybe they're
not going to but those kids are already paid. Well,
here's the thing about when you already get paid, is
you're only gonna come back for more. Like that's the
reality of it is when you get in bed with
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a eighteen year old seventeen year old kid and you say,
we're gonna pay you x to come you know, to
do this, this and that. That was what you paid
me for. It was to come here. That's what you
paid me for to get me here. Now you got
that was my signing bonus. Now you're gonna keep me here,
right because you're not playing me as much as you
said you were. You know, You've got this whole seniority
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thing and that doesn't fly with me because I'm this young,
hot you know recruit. Now now I'm that five star
on campus and everyone's telling me how good I am,
but I'm not getting as much burn time in the game.
So if you want to keep me here, guess what
the price tag just went up. And that's and that's
where this becomes a slippery slope. That's where you've got
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kids who've got handlers or agents, if you will, coming
into college. Now, these kids have agents, they have handlers,
and these handlers now are the ones kind of feeding
that to them as well, like utilizing leverage at every
point throughout their time. And there's a lot of people
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out there right now who are listening and thinking, well, yeah, man,
it's football, Go get that money. Because you don't know
that it's gonna be there, right, You can tear your
a cl tear achilles careers over first off, like even
I mean there's examples of guys who have done at
the college level still made out, you know, still being
able to to get up there and get their's But
the reality is too is okay, but is that is
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what's ultimately best for them for their professional career for
them moving forward, Like you only get one shot at
getting drafted into the pros and one shot at trying
to make it all work. And there's a lot of
things that are out of your control role meaning the
situation of circumstance you enter into, like Trevor Lawrence justin
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fields going to too bad football teams that that's their
birth into the NFL. And they can't control who they
hire as a head coach. They can't control what front
office decisions they make, or where they choose to spend
money and don't or how they what decisions they make
to build out around them. They can't control any of that.
They're just they're trying to make it so they can
get to a point where they can get paid generational
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wealth on a second contract, and then maybe they can
start utilizing some of that leverage, all of what Aaron
Rodgers has done, or some of the other quarterbacks, Tom Brady,
you know, maybe Russell Wilson with with some of the
frustrations he had in Seattle with not being a part
of that as much. But that that's what, like, that's
where this whole thing is going now. And and I
think that's the slippery slope is and I'll continually say it,
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and people who will like speak out against the fact
that like, oh, it's not the transfer portal, like we
need to create this opportunity, But no, you don't, like
that's part of the issue right now until they address
a transfer portal and limit the window that these kids
can just up and leave and at any point in
time utilize two or three good games, right, Like good games,
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good performances where all of a sudden, all right, you're
a big recruit. Now you've demonstrated that your freshman sophomore year. Like,
let's not allow them just to sit there and utilize
every piece of levels. Now. So there's some people who
believe in free markets and they're like, well, that's fine,
Like that's how this is all supposed to work. They
should be able to find an opportunity elsewhere if they're
not playing where they're at. But then I'd argue, like, well,
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why are they there in the first place? Then, like
why do you commit to go to that school and
that team. If you it's not actually a commitment, we
need to call it something else. And honestly, that's something else.
Is probably just signing a contract, Like we need to
call it, like, it's not signing a commitment or a
letter of intent. It's gonna be signing a contract. And
they're basically gonna be like these one year deals. I mean,
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you already saw in the news that they've got the
n c A has done away with the cap on
scholarships per year. It's gone. Now you just have to
be at eight five. That's your cap now. But if
you want to have a recruiting class of players or so. Also,
it should be pointed out that Nick Saban's already gotten
a lot of pushback from people saying, well, he's a
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hypocrite because what about Bryce Young? He was bragging about
this U N I L d O. Bryce Young got
last year. Saban's point, Yeah, and he was. But Saban's
point on this was Bryce Young was already on the team,
like he didn't he didn't use Yeah, he didn't use
that to induce him or try and convince him to
come to Alabama by offering him money. That's his point.
He's not against players getting money. He's he's been on
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board with that the whole time. It's the inducement aspect
of it, and I think people are kind of skewing
the lines of wall. He sounds like a total hypocrite.
Well not really. I mean, there's a reason Jimbo Fisher
was so uptight when when the subject got brought up,
and it was Lane Kiffin who also made comments about it,
Jimbo Fisher was uptight about it. It's like it wasn't
it legal at the time. But moving forward, they put
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in as some things in place to where you can't
you know, he was induced and they're gonna look at
it retroactively whatever this task forces a I mean, I
don't even want to get into the wonder they're gonna
put the toothpaste back in the bottle for all those
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deals these kids signed in Texas and m And here's
the thing I love. Here's what I love about John
Ruiz at down in the University of Miami is he's
so outspoken about it. It's almost like he's daring the
n c A or someone to try to do something
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and so that he can slap you with the lawsuit
and say, this is what the Supreme Court decided. You
tell me where we've crossed the line. You tell me
where we've broken a law. I mean, that's where this
is going. And and honestly, like that might be the
only way to further where we're at, Like it might
take lawsuits and more decisions that are made to help
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shape this before the n c A or any other
governing body is going to step in and do something
like that's the truth of the matter, which is kind
of crazy when you think about it, But again that's
more of the pro model. If you think about where
the NFL got to where it's at, you know, it's
it takes antitrust lawsuits, It takes going to court between
the NFL p A and the NFL to get anything
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worked out. Whether that's through a collective bargaining agreement, free
agency or whatever else want to talk about, like it's
it's had to have been done through a court of law,
and now we're seeing that play at it's part in
college football. Is Louison an attorney because I'm assuming I
think this is. He sent out a tweet afterwards that
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say that said uh Saban stated in his speech that
Miami paid a player four in a thousand dollars a year,
but not for true n I L. Saban statements contain
admissions that he and the school involved themselves in their
players and I L deals Wow, clear n c A violations.
So it's almost like he's now sort of already beginning
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the threat. He's reached out to Dion Sanders on this,
so it's almost like these guys you know, are trying yeah,
something like that, um because Lane Kiffin is connected to
to uh Sabin. So it's like, you know, it's terf
wars going on right now. It's just it's it's gonna
get interesting because it may truly become more about you know,
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attacking one another over the fact that they can't get
the same kids anymore based off of the this new
given you know this new given approach. And now what
happens with Jordan Addison because Radium, he's really down to
two teams. He's down to two teams, hey, LaVar, of
all the schools that have been rumored for Jordan Jordan Adison,
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this may become as a revelation to you, but it
appears the finalists are USC and texts. You don't. I mean,
where do you think he's going, LaVar? Let me just
take a stab at this US. Okay, that is correct.
I mean it's no different than Caleb Williams did the
same exact thing when he was trying to leave Oklahoma
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and he goes, oh, yeah, I'm looking at Wisconsin. Oh really,
like you're gonna gagle that out there like any legitimate
interest in going to Wisconsin. Oh my god. It is uh,
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boy right now, though, we turn it over to the
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great Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB.
You can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert,
what's happening? How's your Thursday? Good? How you guys doing?
We're good, Hey, Albert. We want answers, all right, and
we we demand answers here even this early in the morning. Um,
when is when are we going to find out whether
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or not Deshaun Watson is going to get suspended. When's
that happening? I honestly don't know, guys. I mean, it
could be, it could be tomorrow, it could be. UM.
You know the way, you guys a lot to sort
through here. Now, what we know, you know is that
he met with NFL officials in Texas this week, and UM,
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that generally means the league is wrapping up its own
investigation because UM, the way these things normally work, they'll
talk to everybody else involve, gather all the information, and
then talk to the player at the very end. And
so I think we can safely say that, you know,
in the time since the criminal investigation closed, the NFL
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has worked fast to kind of get through UM the
I guess face to face part of the investigation, UM
and the interview part of the investigation. And so you know,
you think now they have the information UM in place.
And then the question becomes and I think this will
be a matter of debate among some of the people
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within the league and some of the people the league
employees to run these things, UM, whether or not they
should preempt the civil uh process. And you guys and
I have talked about this over the over the last
few weeks, the NFL doesn't like to sort of jump
the line on the courts. They've gotten themselves in trouble
and that in the past, Um, they used to do
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it routinely. They don't do it nearly as much anymore.
And the main reason they don't do it anymore is
because a lot of times through the court system, new
information that they weren't able to access can come out. Um.
But of course, the profile of this case, the amount
of attention there isn't this case, and um, you know,
I think you know, quite frankly, the pr element of
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this case, um, when it comes to the idea of
putting Deshaun Watson on the field in September and October, um,
is all part of all of this, and so um,
you know, I think over the next couple of weeks
there's gonna be some hard discussions on whether or not
the smart thing to do is to go forward with
a punishment now, some sort of sanction now, or if
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the harder, more reasonable, more responsible play by the NFL
is to wait for the civil courts, the civil process
two um, take place, and for that to reach some
sort of closure before they make a final judgment on
what they're gonna do on de Sean. I guess I'd
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follow up by by asking and wondering, you know how
awkward it's gonna be because we haven't seen him on
the field since these allegations first arrived. And I always
felt like the Commissioner's exempt list was for this reason,
like it kind of was that stop gap of Hey,
court system is gonna take too long, we can't get
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the facts of the details that we need to. Let's
put the guy on an exemple list and let's try
to sort this out, or maybe that forces him to settle,
and so you know, then they can either move forth
their investigation or just say there's nothing that we can
find here, so we can't do anything. Our hands are tied.
I mean, I just I always thought that was what
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that was, what the examples was for. Well, Brady, the
problem is that they already set a precedent there not
putting them on the example us last year, and so
I think Deshaun would argue in that case, the Browns
are arguing in that case, what really changed, Like why
are you putting me on the exemp list now when
you didn't do it last year? And you can argue, like,
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from a de facto standpoint that he was on the
exemp list last year, you're just getting paid because everybody
sort of had an agreement to keep him off the field,
you know, and he was on paid leave last year. Um,
you know, but put him on the exemplest now, I
think would sort of break the precedent they sat last year.
And I mean, look, here's the other part of it is,
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if you're following what's happening in the courts right now, Um,
they've sort of made an agreement to Shawn Side and um,
the accusers attorneys where if we get to July first
and they haven't reached a conclusion, they're gonna press pause
on this until next March, which means if you put
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him on the exempt list now, there probably won't be
much of change what you did there until next year,
and so he'd be sitting out another entire season. Um.
And so I just think it's complicated from that standpoint,
and um, you know, I I see what you're saying, Um,
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but it just feels to me like there has to
be some sort of movement based on the way this
has already been handled for them to I would say
put him on the exemplest and if like there, if
you are in that situation where there isn't closure in
the legal case and you're not gonna which would prevent
you from maybe making a final judgment on what you're
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gonna do and sanctioning him, that would also prevent you
from putting him on the example list. All right, but
if he just let's just say for the sake of saying,
there is the possibility that they could use the commissioners
exemple lists in this scenario, maybe based out of necessity.
Is that why they will not severed ties with Baker Mayfield?
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I mean, listen, I know they have other quarterbacks and
they've said that they're going to use their other quarterbacks
and prepare them, But why not just let Baker Mayfield go?
At this point, I don't think it's um LaVar because
I think if somebody gave them something for Baker Mayfield,
I think they would probably take it get his money
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off Bucks. So you know, I I think you look
at the way they built their quarterback room, and it's
not just a Kobe percent who has got a lot
of starting experience. It's also getting Josh Dobson there, who
I mean is a more than confident backup, right, Like,
so you've you know, created sort of a three deep
situation for yourself at quarterback where if Deshawn's out for
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six or eight games, you not only have you know,
a guy with starting experience you can start for, you've
got to back up. We've been in the league for
a long time. Um, you know. I think really this
boils down to like the number the big Mayfield on,
which is eighteen point eight million dollars, and the fact
that there's not a logical place out there is willing
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to hand him the starting job. Like even if there
was a situation like the Panthers last year for Sam Donald,
where there was a team out there says okay, we'll
take on the reclamation project and we'll roll the dice
with him for a year, I think that team, if
that team existed, might be willing to pay that number.
Nobody's going to pay that number to bring Baker Mayfield
in to throw him in a competition at the risk
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of having a backup making that sort of money on
your roster, and so like, I think this is really
gonna come down to how much of that money are
the Browns willing to eat. Are they willing to eat
ten million, twelve million, fourteen million to get Baker Mayfield
off of their books and get a draft pick in
return for him? Um? I really think that's sort of
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the exit that that that's the only way that I
think that that that's gonna that you're gonna be able
to get Baker Mayfield off your roster absent of cutting
him if you're the Browns right now. Um, And that
of course is you know, with the possible exception that
there's a major injury somewhere else. Albert, I want to
ask this because I said this earlier and I'm curious
to get your thoughts on it. Like when they picked
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up his fifth year option, knowing that the change to
the fifth year option and the new collective bargain agreement
was it's fully guaranteed, Like I, I tend to look
at Andrew Berry, Paul Deepodesta, guys who are coming from
the analytics world, who should have known, like you run
this sensitivity analysis to understand that there's a scenario here
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where we are going to have to cut him and
eat the entire eighteen point eight million that we own, right,
I mean, aren't they to blame in this too, forgetting
to this point and basically saying like, yeah, we don't
have there's no trade demand, and we could keep holding
onto it and maybe, you know, similar to Nickissario who
now looks like a genius right with holding onto de
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Shaun Watson longer, longer, longer, and longer. May be they
feel like they could do the same with Baker Mayfield.
But there's also like an awkwardness to it. And there's
also the idea of if I'm Jimmy hasslum, how are
you not looking at them and going, dude, you guys
put us in this situation, figure it out, like I'm
not paying the eight team point eight. You guys do
this right, And I think I think you're right, Brady,
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and I think like if you look like it's sort
of become the cautionary tale both him and Sam Donald too.
I think you put the Panthers with Donald and that
bucket also, or they're just stuck with these big numbers
on their on their rosters, you know. And obviously those
two teams have handled it different ways, But I think
you'd be naive to think that that didn't affect the
Giants decision making on Daniel Jones and not picking up
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his fifth year option, right because I think going into
um last year, like the whole I guess conventional wisdom
on that sort of thing is, well, you have to
show confidence in your quarterback and if you don't do that,
it's gonna be awkward between you and him, and he's
not going to be able to lead in the locker room,
and everybody's gonna know that that quarterback is walking the
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green mile, right like. And I think that that's sort
of like that was the train of thought a year ago.
And we've seen teams pick up those fifth year options
in the past and wind up wiggling out of it
because they weren't fully guaranteed. Like that is the primary examples.
Robert Griffin um where you know, the Washington um was
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they pick up it's the year option. They and Kirk Cousins,
if you remember, they kept Robert Griffin on ice the
whole year. They wouldn't even dress him for games so
he wouldn't get hurt, and then they wound up cutting
him at the end of the year. So I think
that conventional wisdom, that train of thought was still in
the heads of these people where it was like, okay, like,
we can't put that quarterback. If we want to give
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our quarterback the best chance to succeed in the current year,
we have to pick up the option as a gesture
to show him and to show the locker room how
much confidence we have in the guy. And obviously that's
backfired in a very very big way for both the
Browns and the Panthers. And I mean, look like Jimmy
hasm can certainly look at his football people now and say,
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if you had even an inkling of doubt the Baker
Mayfield was going to be our quarterback, like, then you
should not have picked up that option, especially when you
consider that even if you don't pick up the option,
you still have the franchise tag in your back pocket.
And yeah, maybe you would have had to pay a
few extra million dollars for the franchise tag, But if
you're picking up the franchise tag, that means things went
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awfully well. Albert brew with us here on Fox Sports
Radio last one for me, Um, And I don't even
know if you would know the answer to this, but
we've talked about this before in the show that there's
been some speculation Steve Bischott He's hinted at this that
there may be organizations around the league were upset at
at where Cleveland put the price at for quarterbacks guaranteed
with the salary on Deshaun Watson moving forward, like why
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why set up the precedent with this deal here? My
question for you is this, do you know how much
more did they offer to the next best offer for
Deshaun Watson? Like how much more did they overpay than
the next team, whether it be the Falcons or the Panthers.
Do you do you have you heard any speculation as
to what the second best offer was on the table? Well,
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I can tell you that, like one of the reasons
why the Panthers kind of got cold feet at the
very end, um, was because Deshaun's camp was asking for
more guaranteed money. UM. And I can tell you, like
the Falcons like weren't going to go down that road
at all, you know. And so I think part of
this was the Brown seeing an opening UM. And I
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think their training thought on that was, well, it's a quarterback,
so it's not like we're gonna cut him anyway. So
I mean, come hell or high water, we want to
go and get this guy. We've already gone down this road.
We burned that bridge with Baker Mayfield, Like, we need
to do everything we can to make this happen. And
so here's what we're willing to pay for a quarterback
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in this environment, for an elite quarterback this environment. And well,
we don't care if we guarantee the whole thing or not,
because that guy is gonna be on our roster the
whole time. Anyway. History tells us that, right, And so look,
I think that was the logic woman the Browns doing it.
I mean, if you're asking me like whether or not
this has created problems for other teams hell yead has.
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I mean, like look at like like I said, like,
if you're the if you're the Ravens right now, and
you're looking at doing something for like Lamar Jackson, like
he had been pretty durable until last year, and then
he got banged up a bunch last year, and now
you look at the style of play and you have
to ask questions about where this is gonna be four
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or five years from now, right, And if you're the
Bengals and or the Chargers and you have these precedents
and how you do contracts and now you're looking down
the barrel of that gun, and you're gonna have to
do Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert a year from now.
Like I mean, see you change the way you do business,
and does that mean that the way that that if
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you change you the way you do business there you
have to change the way you do business with everybody,
you know, Because if I'm saying Derwin James and I
have a great year with the Chargers and then the
Chargers fully guaranteed justin Herbert's contract, you know what, I'm
gonna ask for a fully guaranteed contract. So the tentacles
of this thing I think could really go in a
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lot of different directions. And I I think the key
is the same as it was after the Kirk Cousins
deal a few years ago. The Cousins deal. Remember somebody
saying to me, like the impact of the Cousins deal
was really gonna kind of be relative to whatever happens
with an X three quarterback contracts, and it didn't create
like the Cousins deal didn't create this waterfall of guaranteed contract.
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Matt Ryan signed a contract after that. It was more conventional.
Aaron Rodgers signed a contract after that it was more conventional.
So a lot of this and what the impact of
of Deshaun Watson's contract is going to boil down to
what happens with Lamar Jackson, what happens with Justin Herbert,
what happens with Joe Burrow, Like those next few quarterback contracts.
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I think at least we're gonna dictate whether or not
the Sean contract is just a one off or it
becomes something more than that. And that, of course, I
think puts pressure, put some pressure, some natural pressure on
guys like Jackson, like Burrow, and like Herbert because what
they do could impact a lot of other players. Get
him on Twitter at Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter with
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the mm QB Always appreciate Albert, Thanks so much. We'll
do it again next week. Awesome, Thank you guys. Have
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Here's Brady quinn yea as remember the old fire festival festival. Yeah,
(33:23):
you guys, somebody had a place to say. People do
steal intense to have somewhere to stay. They had a
place to stay. Um, the problem was they were staying
in those like FEMA tents and they were getting basically
prison quality cheese sandwiches, which in uh, in some cases
(33:46):
people paid up through twelve thousand dollars to attend what
was supposed to be this luxurious concert festival in the
Bahamas of Great Exuma with all sorts of performances and
luxuri accommodations. It was anything but that. And the reason
why I bring that up is because, well, our good
(34:08):
friend Billy McFarland, the fraudster who was behind all of this, Uh,
he's sprung from prison. He's out. So he served less
than four years of a six year sentence in connection
with this whole two thousand seven Caribbean retreat, which there's
documentaries on. That's how bad it was. It is. Some
(34:30):
of the netflix, some of the conditions were just brutal,
But then you start hearing the details of it all,
and I'm just part way through him, Like who would
even want to go to that crap? Anyways? Like does
he jaw rule? Like I think jaw rules. So they
were going to go in at the end of like
yeah they final details of that. Yeah, we're not going
bush of blink. Yeah, because a lot of them got
(34:52):
you know, the the information and we're like, it doesn't
seem right. Yeah, that's part of his flea deal. He
was ordered to reaverse twenty six million dollars to the victim.
How's he coming up with that? How's he coming up?
How much do you think he made off all these people?
And and think about this, if this wasn't bad enough,
(35:14):
And this is kind of more of my point issue
with this this story at him getting out early is
after he'd got in trouble for Fire Festival. The dude
months later was ripping people off, selling fake tickets to
events like the met Gala, Burning Man, all of that,
Like he was he swindled people out of a hundred
(35:34):
thousand dollars. After all of it, he was still doing this.
We're letting this dude out of jail early. I mean, look, uh,
you know clearly he's got a gift. All right. Clearly
this guy, you know, has a passion for screwing people over.
There's got to be a place of business for him somewhere.
I mean, look, if the people from Tiger King or
does let him from Okay, you think the only prison
(35:58):
is where he should be able to work? Do you
do for the people that he ripped off? I don't
this guy even in like interview that he did in jail,
he said that the reason for not coming through was
an unrealistic time. Friend, Okay, aren't you in control of that?
(36:19):
It's your festival. This guy's a clown. He's gonna keep
ripping off people. At some point he'll end up back.
It'll end up back where he come. I hope he does. Man,
like say what you want. There's a lot of people
with that that period of time probably put a lot
of money into a thing that they're going to some
awesome festival, and it's set them back thousands of dollars,
(36:41):
which you know, for some people matters, man, it does well.
He put a lot of businesses out of out of
business that we're on the island as well. Like, you know,
that's right, if you're if you're if you're offering up
anything over twenty bucks to go see Blink two at
some crap fest in the scene, would you dessert? Sorry, buddy,
(37:01):
you lose, You lose, not my problem. Did I ever
tell you? One time I was in Vegas where I
wanted the pool parties and Sugar Ray was performing, and
I was like, what I think about this? Like if
I say that name now, you kids would be like,
who the hell is that? Right? But at that point huge,
This is like back when I was playing in the NFL,
(37:22):
so like Circus two thousand and eight two tends somewhere there,
and I remember being like in he old, like why
is he performing? But I've heard Mark McGrath is actually
a great dude that pokes pokes fund at himself, like
he'll he'll he'll introduce comics at like a comedy clubs
in l A and he'll make fun of his own band,
(37:42):
like and just how they were represented. So yeah, yeah,
I don't know, I was. I was pretty hammered. I
remember at that point I was like, if I'm gonna
have to absorb this music, I'm gonna need to get
really drunk. Yeah, the everything every hold on. Somebody barfed
(38:03):
in between Combaneah, I'm pretty sure, I mean heard. I'll
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here on fs are they have just teed off at
Southern Hills and Tulsa. It is the p g A Championship.
I know, LaVar, you've been all over this poor Man's
Masters very good. Uh and uh it's appropriate that John
(01:20):
Daly was the first to tee off there. And he
looks fantastic. By the way, for those of you that
are watching on some sort of a streaming device. Uh,
he's wearing a green polo shirt what looked to be
Zuba's like grateful dead Zubas almost and um so I didn't.
I was a little disappointed. I thought he'd at least
(01:42):
have a lung dart in at the first shot of
the tournament, but he didn't know root that having a cigarette.
It's John Daly, you know, like you know why not? Hey, Jonas,
you have weird fetishes, bro, What do you mean true?
Speaking of the text that I just received, you talking
about who has that stored on their And if you don't,
(02:04):
how do you even find that? I din't even want
both two disturbing thoughts. I do not want to venture into.
I would have to concur um. Look I was simply
trying to ask if it was true that LaVar Arrington,
that there was an actual horse named LaVar Arrington. Back
there was there was, That's what I was saying. I
thought that that's what you were saying, so that that's
(02:26):
my apology. Yeah, And for what it's worth, did you
get the wind? By the way, I didn't get the
wind because I didn't want the wind. I did not
want to beat my my younger brother. Q. Hold on,
But were you right though, because I what a happening.
I mean, apparently, LaVar Arrington is the name of a horse,
which is very flattering. I doubt that horse is still
(02:49):
living at this point, but talk about it, talk about
what I mean, horse name or horse crap? Just we
we ran at a time LaVar one, yeah, with with
a one point lead. He stared. I didn't know if
he got the last one or not because you asked it.
But when we hit the brake, Well, if there's a technicality,
because LaVar Arrington is the name of a horse, apparently,
(03:11):
but it's not the name of a horse that's running
this weekend, that would be so then, but would have
been the horse crap? We ran out of time unless
we were tied, unless Brady wants to try and tie
it right now. I mean, I'd love for a shot.
Let's do it. Let's do it, a let's do it.
Turf diggler. Horse crap. That is correct, and we're tied.
(03:38):
So there is We're all tied up here. So I
just want to tell, why do you give Brady such
easy option? That is a difficult one. La oar turf Diggler.
The turff Diggler would have been difficult for somebody who's
a horse racing aficionado. They determined if people only knew that,
(03:59):
combined with the text message, I just I was about
to say, hey, I was about to say it's tim
ro as it rolex ter Diggler, you could you could
probably roll it up. I mean, I just look new
time piece, a new time So, uh, look, we were
(04:26):
going to uh full disclosure. We were going to lead
recapping the NBA game, but then uh, that NBA game
actually happened, and it was so bad last night that
we decided, well, Nick Saban made the round so for
the new audience that it was just waking up to this.
H here's the here's the controversial comments from Nick Saban
(04:46):
he was speaking at an event in Birmingham, uh and
he had this to say about one Texas A and M.
This was last night from Nick Saban. But I know
the consequence is going to be difficult for the people
who are spending tons of money to get players. And
you've read about him, you know who they are. I mean,
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we were second in recruiting last year and then was first,
and then bought every player on their team, made a
deal for a name, image and age. All right, we
didn't buy one player, all right, But I don't know
if we're gonna be able to sustain that in the
future because more and more people are doing it. Okay, well,
here's a question I have for you, guys, um has
(05:28):
anything that he has said wrong? Has he said anything wrong?
Is anything a lie? From Nick Saban? Like when he
said but when he said what he said in the beginning,
it was almost he kind of went in a different
direction with what he ended with, right like when he
(05:49):
started what he what he was saying, like, can I
can we hear the first part again one more time?
Here was yeah, there we go. But I know the
consequence is going to be difficult for the people who
are spending tons of money to get players, and you've
read about them, you know who they are. I mean,
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we were second in recruiting last year and then was
first and then bought every player on their team, made
a deal for name, image and likeness. All right, we
didn't buy one player, all right, But I don't know
if we're going to be able to sustain that in
the future because more and more people are doing it now.
So he says the consequence of buying these players like
is he basically saying, we're going to get to the
(06:32):
point of where we're going to start buying our players too,
and that's going to be the consequence. I'm trying or
did he vacate from what his original point was? Is
what the consequence? I think what he was saying is
that the people that are paying for name, image and likeness, um,
and also coaches that are promising that to two players
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to in order to get them to come to school
like that. I think that's that's what he was alluding to.
Is there's going to be a consequence to that. Um.
You know, at some point down the road, maybe they're
not going to but those kids are already paid. Well,
here's the thing about when you already get paid, is
you're only gonna come back for more. Like that's the
reality of it is when you get in bed with
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a eighteen year old seventeen year old kid and you say,
we're gonna pay you x to come you know, to
do this, this and that. That was what you paid
me for. It was to come here. That's what you
paid me for to get me here. Now you got
that was my signing bonus. Now you're gonna keep me here,
right because you're not playing me as much as you
said you were. You know, You've got this whole seniority
(07:39):
thing and that doesn't fly with me because I'm this young,
hot you know recruit. Now now I'm that five star
on campus and everyone's telling me how good I am,
but I'm not getting as much burn time in the game.
So if you want to keep me here, guess what
the price tag just went up. And that's and that's
where this becomes a slippery slope. That's where you've got
(08:00):
kids who've got handlers or agents, if you will, coming
into college. Now, these kids have agents, they have handlers,
and these handlers now are the ones kind of feeding
that to them as well, like utilizing leverage at every
point throughout their time. And there's a lot of people
(08:21):
out there right now who are listening and thinking, well, yeah, man,
it's football, Go get that money. Because you don't know
that it's gonna be there, right, You can tear your
a cl tear achilles careers over first off, like even
I mean there's examples of guys who have done at
the college level still made out, you know, still being
able to to get up there and get their's But
the reality is too is okay, but is that is
(08:43):
what's ultimately best for them for their professional career for
them moving forward, Like you only get one shot at
getting drafted into the pros and one shot at trying
to make it all work. And there's a lot of
things that are out of your control role meaning the
situation of circumstance you enter into, like Trevor Lawrence justin
(09:04):
fields going to too bad football teams that that's their
birth into the NFL. And they can't control who they
hire as a head coach. They can't control what front
office decisions they make, or where they choose to spend
money and don't or how they what decisions they make
to build out around them. They can't control any of that.
They're just they're trying to make it so they can
get to a point where they can get paid generational
(09:26):
wealth on a second contract, and then maybe they can
start utilizing some of that leverage, all of what Aaron
Rodgers has done, or some of the other quarterbacks, Tom Brady,
you know, maybe Russell Wilson with with some of the
frustrations he had in Seattle with not being a part
of that as much. But that that's what, like, that's
where this whole thing is going now. And and I
think that's the slippery slope is and I'll continually say it,
(09:49):
and people who will like speak out against the fact
that like, oh, it's not the transfer portal, like we
need to create this opportunity, But no, you don't, like
that's part of the issue right now until they address
a transfer portal and limit the window that these kids
can just up and leave and at any point in
time utilize two or three good games, right, Like good games,
(10:11):
good performances where all of a sudden, all right, you're
a big recruit. Now you've demonstrated that your freshman sophomore year. Like,
let's not allow them just to sit there and utilize
every piece of levels. Now. So there's some people who
believe in free markets and they're like, well, that's fine,
Like that's how this is all supposed to work. They
should be able to find an opportunity elsewhere if they're
not playing where they're at. But then I'd argue, like, well,
(10:32):
why are they there in the first place? Then, like
why do you commit to go to that school and
that team. If you it's not actually a commitment, we
need to call it something else. And honestly, that's something else.
Is probably just signing a contract, Like we need to
call it, like, it's not signing a commitment or a
letter of intent. It's gonna be signing a contract. And
they're basically gonna be like these one year deals. I mean,
(10:52):
you already saw in the news that they've got the
n c A has done away with the cap on
scholarships per year. It's gone. Now you just have to
be at eight five. That's your cap now. But if
you want to have a recruiting class of players or so. Also,
it should be pointed out that Nick Saban's already gotten
a lot of pushback from people saying, well, he's a
(11:13):
hypocrite because what about Bryce Young? He was bragging about
this U N I L d O. Bryce Young got
last year. Saban's point, Yeah, and he was. But Saban's
point on this was Bryce Young was already on the team,
like he didn't he didn't use Yeah, he didn't use
that to induce him or try and convince him to
come to Alabama by offering him money. That's his point.
He's not against players getting money. He's he's been on
(11:34):
board with that the whole time. It's the inducement aspect
of it, and I think people are kind of skewing
the lines of wall. He sounds like a total hypocrite.
Well not really. I mean, there's a reason Jimbo Fisher
was so uptight when when the subject got brought up,
and it was Lane Kiffin who also made comments about it,
Jimbo Fisher was uptight about it. It's like it wasn't
it legal at the time. But moving forward, they put
(11:56):
in as some things in place to where you can't
you know, he was induced and they're gonna look at
it retroactively whatever this task forces a I mean, I
don't even want to get into the wonder they're gonna
put the toothpaste back in the bottle for all those
(12:16):
deals these kids signed in Texas and m And here's
the thing I love. Here's what I love about John
Ruiz at down in the University of Miami is he's
so outspoken about it. It's almost like he's daring the
n c A or someone to try to do something
(12:37):
and so that he can slap you with the lawsuit
and say, this is what the Supreme Court decided. You
tell me where we've crossed the line. You tell me
where we've broken a law. I mean, that's where this
is going. And and honestly, like that might be the
only way to further where we're at, Like it might
take lawsuits and more decisions that are made to help
(12:59):
shape this before the n c A or any other
governing body is going to step in and do something
like that's the truth of the matter, which is kind
of crazy when you think about it, But again that's
more of the pro model. If you think about where
the NFL got to where it's at, you know, it's
it takes antitrust lawsuits, It takes going to court between
the NFL p A and the NFL to get anything
(13:21):
worked out. Whether that's through a collective bargaining agreement, free
agency or whatever else want to talk about, like it's
it's had to have been done through a court of law,
and now we're seeing that play at it's part in
college football. Is Louison an attorney because I'm assuming I
think this is. He sent out a tweet afterwards that
(13:41):
say that said uh Saban stated in his speech that
Miami paid a player four in a thousand dollars a year,
but not for true n I L. Saban statements contain
admissions that he and the school involved themselves in their
players and I L deals Wow, clear n c A violations.
So it's almost like he's now sort of already beginning
(14:01):
the threat. He's reached out to Dion Sanders on this,
so it's almost like these guys you know, are trying yeah,
something like that, um because Lane Kiffin is connected to
to uh Sabin. So it's like, you know, it's terf
wars going on right now. It's just it's it's gonna
get interesting because it may truly become more about you know,
(14:25):
attacking one another over the fact that they can't get
the same kids anymore based off of the this new
given you know this new given approach. And now what
happens with Jordan Addison because Radium, he's really down to
two teams. He's down to two teams, hey, LaVar, of
all the schools that have been rumored for Jordan Jordan Adison,
(14:47):
this may become as a revelation to you, but it
appears the finalists are USC and texts. You don't. I mean,
where do you think he's going, LaVar? Let me just
take a stab at this US. Okay, that is correct.
I mean it's no different than Caleb Williams did the
same exact thing when he was trying to leave Oklahoma
(15:08):
and he goes, oh, yeah, I'm looking at Wisconsin. Oh really,
like you're gonna gagle that out there like any legitimate
interest in going to Wisconsin. Oh my god. It is uh,
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boy right now, though, we turn it over to the
(16:13):
great Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB.
You can get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert,
what's happening? How's your Thursday? Good? How you guys doing?
We're good, Hey, Albert. We want answers, all right, and
we we demand answers here even this early in the morning. Um,
when is when are we going to find out whether
(16:37):
or not Deshaun Watson is going to get suspended. When's
that happening? I honestly don't know, guys. I mean, it
could be, it could be tomorrow, it could be. UM.
You know the way, you guys a lot to sort
through here. Now, what we know, you know is that
he met with NFL officials in Texas this week, and UM,
(16:58):
that generally means the league is wrapping up its own
investigation because UM, the way these things normally work, they'll
talk to everybody else involve, gather all the information, and
then talk to the player at the very end. And
so I think we can safely say that, you know,
in the time since the criminal investigation closed, the NFL
(17:20):
has worked fast to kind of get through UM the
I guess face to face part of the investigation, UM
and the interview part of the investigation. And so you know,
you think now they have the information UM in place.
And then the question becomes and I think this will
be a matter of debate among some of the people
(17:43):
within the league and some of the people the league
employees to run these things, UM, whether or not they
should preempt the civil uh process. And you guys and
I have talked about this over the over the last
few weeks, the NFL doesn't like to sort of jump
the line on the courts. They've gotten themselves in trouble
and that in the past, Um, they used to do
(18:04):
it routinely. They don't do it nearly as much anymore.
And the main reason they don't do it anymore is
because a lot of times through the court system, new
information that they weren't able to access can come out. Um.
But of course, the profile of this case, the amount
of attention there isn't this case, and um, you know,
I think you know, quite frankly, the pr element of
(18:26):
this case, um, when it comes to the idea of
putting Deshaun Watson on the field in September and October, um,
is all part of all of this, and so um,
you know, I think over the next couple of weeks
there's gonna be some hard discussions on whether or not
the smart thing to do is to go forward with
a punishment now, some sort of sanction now, or if
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the harder, more reasonable, more responsible play by the NFL
is to wait for the civil courts, the civil process
two um, take place, and for that to reach some
sort of closure before they make a final judgment on
what they're gonna do on de Sean. I guess I'd
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follow up by by asking and wondering, you know how
awkward it's gonna be because we haven't seen him on
the field since these allegations first arrived. And I always
felt like the Commissioner's exempt list was for this reason,
like it kind of was that stop gap of Hey,
court system is gonna take too long, we can't get
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the facts of the details that we need to. Let's
put the guy on an exemple list and let's try
to sort this out, or maybe that forces him to settle,
and so you know, then they can either move forth
their investigation or just say there's nothing that we can
find here, so we can't do anything. Our hands are tied.
I mean, I just I always thought that was what
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that was, what the examples was for. Well, Brady, the
problem is that they already set a precedent there not
putting them on the example us last year, and so
I think Deshaun would argue in that case, the Browns
are arguing in that case, what really changed, Like why
are you putting me on the exemp list now when
you didn't do it last year? And you can argue, like,
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from a de facto standpoint that he was on the
exemp list last year, you're just getting paid because everybody
sort of had an agreement to keep him off the field,
you know, and he was on paid leave last year. Um,
you know, but put him on the exemplest now, I
think would sort of break the precedent they sat last year.
And I mean, look, here's the other part of it is,
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if you're following what's happening in the courts right now, Um,
they've sort of made an agreement to Shawn Side and um,
the accusers attorneys where if we get to July first
and they haven't reached a conclusion, they're gonna press pause
on this until next March, which means if you put
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him on the exempt list now, there probably won't be
much of change what you did there until next year,
and so he'd be sitting out another entire season. Um.
And so I just think it's complicated from that standpoint,
and um, you know, I I see what you're saying, Um,
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but it just feels to me like there has to
be some sort of movement based on the way this
has already been handled for them to I would say
put him on the exemplest and if like there, if
you are in that situation where there isn't closure in
the legal case and you're not gonna which would prevent
you from maybe making a final judgment on what you're
(21:37):
gonna do and sanctioning him, that would also prevent you
from putting him on the example list. All right, but
if he just let's just say for the sake of saying,
there is the possibility that they could use the commissioners
exemple lists in this scenario, maybe based out of necessity.
Is that why they will not severed ties with Baker Mayfield?
(22:01):
I mean, listen, I know they have other quarterbacks and
they've said that they're going to use their other quarterbacks
and prepare them, But why not just let Baker Mayfield go?
At this point, I don't think it's um LaVar because
I think if somebody gave them something for Baker Mayfield,
I think they would probably take it get his money
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off Bucks. So you know, I I think you look
at the way they built their quarterback room, and it's
not just a Kobe percent who has got a lot
of starting experience. It's also getting Josh Dobson there, who
I mean is a more than confident backup, right, Like,
so you've you know, created sort of a three deep
situation for yourself at quarterback where if Deshawn's out for
(22:46):
six or eight games, you not only have you know,
a guy with starting experience you can start for, you've
got to back up. We've been in the league for
a long time. Um, you know. I think really this
boils down to like the number the big Mayfield on,
which is eighteen point eight million dollars, and the fact
that there's not a logical place out there is willing
(23:07):
to hand him the starting job. Like even if there
was a situation like the Panthers last year for Sam Donald,
where there was a team out there says okay, we'll
take on the reclamation project and we'll roll the dice
with him for a year, I think that team, if
that team existed, might be willing to pay that number.
Nobody's going to pay that number to bring Baker Mayfield
in to throw him in a competition at the risk
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of having a backup making that sort of money on
your roster, and so like, I think this is really
gonna come down to how much of that money are
the Browns willing to eat. Are they willing to eat
ten million, twelve million, fourteen million to get Baker Mayfield
off of their books and get a draft pick in
return for him? Um? I really think that's sort of
(23:52):
the exit that that that's the only way that I
think that that that's gonna that you're gonna be able
to get Baker Mayfield off your roster absent of cutting
him if you're the Browns right now. Um, And that
of course is you know, with the possible exception that
there's a major injury somewhere else. Albert, I want to
ask this because I said this earlier and I'm curious
to get your thoughts on it. Like when they picked
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up his fifth year option, knowing that the change to
the fifth year option and the new collective bargain agreement
was it's fully guaranteed, Like I, I tend to look
at Andrew Berry, Paul Deepodesta, guys who are coming from
the analytics world, who should have known, like you run
this sensitivity analysis to understand that there's a scenario here
(24:35):
where we are going to have to cut him and
eat the entire eighteen point eight million that we own, right,
I mean, aren't they to blame in this too, forgetting
to this point and basically saying like, yeah, we don't
have there's no trade demand, and we could keep holding
onto it and maybe, you know, similar to Nickissario who
now looks like a genius right with holding onto de
(24:57):
Shaun Watson longer, longer, longer, and longer. May be they
feel like they could do the same with Baker Mayfield.
But there's also like an awkwardness to it. And there's
also the idea of if I'm Jimmy hasslum, how are
you not looking at them and going, dude, you guys
put us in this situation, figure it out, like I'm
not paying the eight team point eight. You guys do
this right, And I think I think you're right, Brady,
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and I think like if you look like it's sort
of become the cautionary tale both him and Sam Donald too.
I think you put the Panthers with Donald and that
bucket also, or they're just stuck with these big numbers
on their on their rosters, you know. And obviously those
two teams have handled it different ways, But I think
you'd be naive to think that that didn't affect the
Giants decision making on Daniel Jones and not picking up
(25:39):
his fifth year option, right because I think going into
um last year, like the whole I guess conventional wisdom
on that sort of thing is, well, you have to
show confidence in your quarterback and if you don't do that,
it's gonna be awkward between you and him, and he's
not going to be able to lead in the locker room,
and everybody's gonna know that that quarterback is walking the
(26:02):
green mile, right like. And I think that that's sort
of like that was the train of thought a year ago.
And we've seen teams pick up those fifth year options
in the past and wind up wiggling out of it
because they weren't fully guaranteed. Like that is the primary examples.
Robert Griffin um where you know, the Washington um was
(26:23):
they pick up it's the year option. They and Kirk Cousins,
if you remember, they kept Robert Griffin on ice the
whole year. They wouldn't even dress him for games so
he wouldn't get hurt, and then they wound up cutting
him at the end of the year. So I think
that conventional wisdom, that train of thought was still in
the heads of these people where it was like, okay, like,
we can't put that quarterback. If we want to give
(26:44):
our quarterback the best chance to succeed in the current year,
we have to pick up the option as a gesture
to show him and to show the locker room how
much confidence we have in the guy. And obviously that's
backfired in a very very big way for both the
Browns and the Panthers. And I mean, look like Jimmy
hasm can certainly look at his football people now and say,
(27:07):
if you had even an inkling of doubt the Baker
Mayfield was going to be our quarterback, like, then you
should not have picked up that option, especially when you
consider that even if you don't pick up the option,
you still have the franchise tag in your back pocket.
And yeah, maybe you would have had to pay a
few extra million dollars for the franchise tag, But if
you're picking up the franchise tag, that means things went
(27:29):
awfully well. Albert brew with us here on Fox Sports
Radio last one for me, Um, And I don't even
know if you would know the answer to this, but
we've talked about this before in the show that there's
been some speculation Steve Bischott He's hinted at this that
there may be organizations around the league were upset at
at where Cleveland put the price at for quarterbacks guaranteed
with the salary on Deshaun Watson moving forward, like why
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why set up the precedent with this deal here? My
question for you is this, do you know how much
more did they offer to the next best offer for
Deshaun Watson? Like how much more did they overpay than
the next team, whether it be the Falcons or the Panthers.
Do you do you have you heard any speculation as
to what the second best offer was on the table? Well,
(28:15):
I can tell you that, like one of the reasons
why the Panthers kind of got cold feet at the
very end, um, was because Deshaun's camp was asking for
more guaranteed money. UM. And I can tell you, like
the Falcons like weren't going to go down that road
at all, you know. And so I think part of
this was the Brown seeing an opening UM. And I
(28:37):
think their training thought on that was, well, it's a quarterback,
so it's not like we're gonna cut him anyway. So
I mean, come hell or high water, we want to
go and get this guy. We've already gone down this road.
We burned that bridge with Baker Mayfield, Like, we need
to do everything we can to make this happen. And
so here's what we're willing to pay for a quarterback
(28:58):
in this environment, for an elite quarterback this environment. And well,
we don't care if we guarantee the whole thing or not,
because that guy is gonna be on our roster the
whole time. Anyway. History tells us that, right, And so look,
I think that was the logic woman the Browns doing it.
I mean, if you're asking me like whether or not
this has created problems for other teams hell yead has.
(29:20):
I mean, like look at like like I said, like,
if you're the if you're the Ravens right now, and
you're looking at doing something for like Lamar Jackson, like
he had been pretty durable until last year, and then
he got banged up a bunch last year, and now
you look at the style of play and you have
to ask questions about where this is gonna be four
(29:42):
or five years from now, right, And if you're the
Bengals and or the Chargers and you have these precedents
and how you do contracts and now you're looking down
the barrel of that gun, and you're gonna have to
do Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert a year from now.
Like I mean, see you change the way you do business,
and does that mean that the way that that if
(30:02):
you change you the way you do business there you
have to change the way you do business with everybody,
you know, Because if I'm saying Derwin James and I
have a great year with the Chargers and then the
Chargers fully guaranteed justin Herbert's contract, you know what, I'm
gonna ask for a fully guaranteed contract. So the tentacles
of this thing I think could really go in a
(30:24):
lot of different directions. And I I think the key
is the same as it was after the Kirk Cousins
deal a few years ago. The Cousins deal. Remember somebody
saying to me, like the impact of the Cousins deal
was really gonna kind of be relative to whatever happens
with an X three quarterback contracts, and it didn't create
like the Cousins deal didn't create this waterfall of guaranteed contract.
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Matt Ryan signed a contract after that. It was more conventional.
Aaron Rodgers signed a contract after that it was more conventional.
So a lot of this and what the impact of
of Deshaun Watson's contract is going to boil down to
what happens with Lamar Jackson, what happens with Justin Herbert,
what happens with Joe Burrow, Like those next few quarterback contracts.
(31:10):
I think at least we're gonna dictate whether or not
the Sean contract is just a one off or it
becomes something more than that. And that, of course, I
think puts pressure, put some pressure, some natural pressure on
guys like Jackson, like Burrow, and like Herbert because what
they do could impact a lot of other players. Get
him on Twitter at Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter with
(31:32):
the mm QB Always appreciate Albert, Thanks so much. We'll
do it again next week. Awesome, Thank you guys. Have
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Here's Brady quinn yea as remember the old fire festival festival. Yeah,
(33:23):
you guys, somebody had a place to say. People do
steal intense to have somewhere to stay. They had a
place to stay. Um, the problem was they were staying
in those like FEMA tents and they were getting basically
prison quality cheese sandwiches, which in uh, in some cases
(33:46):
people paid up through twelve thousand dollars to attend what
was supposed to be this luxurious concert festival in the
Bahamas of Great Exuma with all sorts of performances and
luxuri accommodations. It was anything but that. And the reason
why I bring that up is because, well, our good
(34:08):
friend Billy McFarland, the fraudster who was behind all of this, Uh,
he's sprung from prison. He's out. So he served less
than four years of a six year sentence in connection
with this whole two thousand seven Caribbean retreat, which there's
documentaries on. That's how bad it was. It is. Some
(34:30):
of the netflix, some of the conditions were just brutal,
But then you start hearing the details of it all,
and I'm just part way through him, Like who would
even want to go to that crap? Anyways? Like does
he jaw rule? Like I think jaw rules. So they
were going to go in at the end of like
yeah they final details of that. Yeah, we're not going
bush of blink. Yeah, because a lot of them got
(34:52):
you know, the the information and we're like, it doesn't
seem right. Yeah, that's part of his flea deal. He
was ordered to reaverse twenty six million dollars to the victim.
How's he coming up with that? How's he coming up?
How much do you think he made off all these people?
And and think about this, if this wasn't bad enough,
(35:14):
And this is kind of more of my point issue
with this this story at him getting out early is
after he'd got in trouble for Fire Festival. The dude
months later was ripping people off, selling fake tickets to
events like the met Gala, Burning Man, all of that,
Like he was he swindled people out of a hundred
(35:34):
thousand dollars. After all of it, he was still doing this.
We're letting this dude out of jail early. I mean, look, uh,
you know clearly he's got a gift. All right. Clearly
this guy, you know, has a passion for screwing people over.
There's got to be a place of business for him somewhere.
I mean, look, if the people from Tiger King or
does let him from Okay, you think the only prison
(35:58):
is where he should be able to work? Do you
do for the people that he ripped off? I don't
this guy even in like interview that he did in jail,
he said that the reason for not coming through was
an unrealistic time. Friend, Okay, aren't you in control of that?
(36:19):
It's your festival. This guy's a clown. He's gonna keep
ripping off people. At some point he'll end up back.
It'll end up back where he come. I hope he does. Man,
like say what you want. There's a lot of people
with that that period of time probably put a lot
of money into a thing that they're going to some
awesome festival, and it's set them back thousands of dollars,
(36:41):
which you know, for some people matters, man, it does well.
He put a lot of businesses out of out of
business that we're on the island as well. Like, you know,
that's right, if you're if you're if you're offering up
anything over twenty bucks to go see Blink two at
some crap fest in the scene, would you dessert? Sorry, buddy,
(37:01):
you lose, You lose, not my problem. Did I ever
tell you? One time I was in Vegas where I
wanted the pool parties and Sugar Ray was performing, and
I was like, what I think about this? Like if
I say that name now, you kids would be like,
who the hell is that? Right? But at that point huge,
This is like back when I was playing in the NFL,
(37:22):
so like Circus two thousand and eight two tends somewhere there,
and I remember being like in he old, like why
is he performing? But I've heard Mark McGrath is actually
a great dude that pokes pokes fund at himself, like
he'll he'll he'll introduce comics at like a comedy clubs
in l A and he'll make fun of his own band,
(37:42):
like and just how they were represented. So yeah, yeah,
I don't know, I was. I was pretty hammered. I
remember at that point I was like, if I'm gonna
have to absorb this music, I'm gonna need to get
really drunk. Yeah, the everything every hold on. Somebody barfed
(38:03):
in between Combaneah, I'm pretty sure, I mean heard. I'll
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