In Front of the Traffic

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Welcome in podcast listeners, had a great week down at
the beach in Florida. I'm back with you guys now
this week, and boy, oh boy, do we have some
good stuff coming your way. Jason Wentlock swings by as
he does typically on Mondays, and we get into a
lot of the big issues of the day, including, among
other things, names on jerseys in the NBA, Colin Kaepernick's

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July fourth statement, what about the Washington Redskins name? Uh?
Is Jaws the best movie ever? Uh? And comedy as
well as Peter King being offended by hot dog eating contests.
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I hope all of you had fantastic July fourth. I
did with with my family, actually made what I think

(01:25):
was a smart strategic play. I was down in Florida
all week and on Friday we had we had an
unbelievable time, just a fantastic time on the beach, out out,
hanging out, uh down in the destined Panama City beach area,
a little part of Postcard of perfect life called thirty

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a uh if you are familiar with that part of
the Florida Gulf Coast. Just absolutely fantastic time and um,
so we decided on Friday we spent the day out
on the boats at it Abb Island in the destined area.
It's packed, had an incredible time, friend from school, his family,
our family. We had an awesome time out. And then

(02:09):
we drive back and my wife's like, you know what,
it is so packed down here, And it was packed.
I mean, everybody is on vacation from the South down
along the Florida Gulf Coast. And she said, hey, you
know it's gonna be crazy trying to drive back on Sunday. Like,
because July four this Saturday, and everybody's taking vacation, and

(02:31):
a lot of people are gonna be back on the
roads on Sunday, why don't we just turn around drive
back on Saturday. Boom, we did it. I left Saturday evening,
watched fireworks alongside of South Basically the entire drive back,
everybody was shutting off, shooting off fireworks from their yards
because there were not as many big fireworks celebrations as

(02:51):
there usually are on July four. And uh, and I
didn't last year, reminded me. In l A. I spent
July four last year because we were still doing Lock
it In, and I spent it with cousin sal Rachel
Bonetta and Todd Ferman with his family out in Manhattan
Beach in l A. Uh. And when Ferman and I
came back in an uber from Manhattan Beach, it was

(03:13):
just getting dark because we had the show the next day,
and you could see fireworks just going off all along
the four oh five everywhere you were going. Uh. Pretty
remarkable to see l a A A kind of just set
off all their own fireworks celebrations. The same thing was
happening in along sixty a lot smaller communities, obviously, but

(03:33):
as you're driving back up through the state of Alabama
and into southern Tennessee, which is the direction we were
coming back from the Gulf, it was beautiful. It was
fantastic to just be seeing out the front windshield, out
the side wind shields, people just having their own Fourth
of July celebrations. So I hope wherever you are across
the country, around the world, I know we got a

(03:54):
lot of people who listen overseas for a touch of
being back home. I hope you guys had fantastic July four.
Certainly a different July four than any that I can
remember in my lifetime in terms of no real major
sports going on, certainly not team sports. Now we've got
team sports coming back sooner rather than later. We got

(04:15):
Major League Baseball, the n b, A, MLS, NHL, all
of them are going to be back soon. But I
feel like a lot of you getting back into the
swing of things. Maybe you took a couple of days
off for July four. If you're in your cars going
to work, and I know some of you are driving
home from from overnight shifts, whatever you're doing I got
some good news for you, and you know that people

(04:37):
get mad at me because I share good news on
a regular basis, and all people want is what I've
been calling the fear porn. They just want the most
negative thing that can possibly exist. Because there's a certain
segment of the population out there, and I think they're
more active on social media that gets gray joy out

(05:01):
of sharing bad news. You know, it's like every single
one of you out there has a friend who's on
social media, and you know that they are going the
minute that there's a bad news story. You're like, I'm
probably gonna get this from insert person here. If you're
on Facebook, it's like, oh, everything is doom and gloom

(05:24):
from and Gladys. Oh you know uncle Jim. Whatever he
sees that's awful, boom, it's gonna go into the Facebook thread.
Maybe you're on a group text with a bunch of friends.
There's always somebody out there who is sharing absolute doom
and gloom, and a lot of those people, frankly, are

(05:44):
in the media, and some of them are in my industry. Right.
You can listen to a lot of sports media and
you would think the world is coming to an end,
and so I got a couple of good stats for
you that you're probably not gonna hear anywhere else. That
should be the lead story for sports or otherwise everywhere
in the nation. On Saturday, July four, there were only

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two hundred and fifty four deaths nationwide from the coronavirus.
That is, the entire country. Two hundred and fifty four
people died of the coronavirus. Okay, and I should say
died with the coronavirus instead of of the coronavirus, because
most people who are dying with the coronavirus have multiple

(06:28):
co morbidities. If you've got stage four cancer and you
die with the coronavirus, you are counted as a coronavirus death.
On Sunday, the numbers went down even lower, to two
hundred and nine deaths from the coronavirus. Yesterday, two hundred

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and nine people nationwide died of the coronavirus. Now, that's
down ninety two point four percent from the p daily
death number that was out there on April one. That
is also ten straight weeks of declining deaths. Okay. All

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of these are massively significant in terms of where we
are going as a country in the world of sports
and otherwise, and almost nowhere will you hear anybody talking
about it, because it's like people just want to embrace
whatever the worst scenario is instead of actually looking at

(07:36):
the data. Again, two hundred and fifty four people died
with the coronavirus on Saturday. Two hundred and nine people
died with the coronavirus on Sunday. Now, inevitably, when I
share these numbers of people are like, oh do you
not care about those two d and fifty four and
those two hundred and nine people? Know? I care. I
wish no one ever died of anything. I wish we

(08:00):
were all immortal. I don't ever want anybody to die
for any reason. But so far as I know, death
is undefeated. Hate to break it to you on a
Monday morning, but you me everybody is. At some point,
unless you know the fountain of youth, or unless you

(08:20):
have found that magic elixir that will extend life forever
all of us, at some point you're gonna die. In fact,
seventy five hundred people a day die in the United
States on average of a variety of different causes, two
point eight million every single year. So right now, the

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number of people who are dying of the coronavirus is
a tiny fraction of the overall number of people who
are dying nationwide. Two hundred and nine people died of
the coronavirus yesterday, according to reports. You can go read
it for yourself at OutKick dot com. I linked directly
to all the factual data out of seventy deaths, all right,

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that is a tiny percentage of people dying with remember
dying with the coronavirus out of all of the deaths
that are going on right now. To put that into perspective,
yesterday only two point eight percent of all the people
that were dying in the United States, we're dying with

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the coronavirus. People, Now, this is significant. Somebody say, well,
why do you share stories like this on a sports
talk radio show, Because if you want sports to be back,
then the data about the danger that players and coaches
and referees are under is significant. Here, there's a lot

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of you out there listening to me right now. And
let's say you've got sons or grandsons playing high school football.
Do you want them to play high school football this year?
Most of you would say yes. Do you want there
to be college football this year, most of you would say, yes,
do you want there to be the NFL, Do you
want there to be the NBA, NHL, Major League Baseball, MLS,

(10:16):
whatever suits your sports fancy, do you want it to
be back. If the answer is yes, then people like
me need to be sharing as widely as we can
actual factual data that is moving in a positive direction,
like this for ten straight weeks. Now. There's always a

(10:39):
negative Nancy out there. We call her a Karen. Nowadays,
negative Nancy out there is always concerned about some negativity
that exists, even if the overall trend lines are positive,
and there are people blowing up my mentions right now,
like yeah, but cases are up in Texas and Florida

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and Arizona in California. It's accurate. But the people that
are getting sick now are thirty and forty years younger
then the average person who has been getting sick for
the past several months this virus. If you are fifty

(11:21):
or younger, you are under a greater risk of death
driving to and from work than you are from the coronavirus.
Let me repeat that data reflects that if you are
under fifty years old, you are more likely to die
driving to and from work than you are from the coronavirus. Now, look,

(11:44):
this virus is very deadly in nursing homes with people
who are already sick. It can definitely kill people who
are already sick and infirm, which is why we need
to focus as much as we can on keeping this
virus out of nursing homes. And why if you go

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look at the data, the places that have had skyrocketing
numbers of debts New York, New Jersey, Michigan, Illinois, Pennsylvania.
Those governors Massachusetts made the decision because they were so
afraid that hospitals were gonna be overloaded that they sent
patients back into nursing homes with the coronavirus. It then

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spread like wildfire through these nursing homes, and that's where
a huge percentage of overall debts have occurred. We've got
people who listen to us in Canada. Do you know
what percentage of all coronavirus debts in the state uh
in the country of Canada have been in nursing homes.

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Of all the deaths in the entire country of Canada
have come in nursing homes. In most United States data,
over half of all deaths are coming from nursing homes.
So not having incredibly old people who are already dealing
with multiple comorbidity related issues get this virus is imperative

(13:14):
towards recognizing what the overall death rate is gonna be. Now,
I can't predict. I can tell you what the death
rate was on July four. I can tell you what
the death rate was on July five, Saturday and Sunday.
I think it's important that I do that for sports
fans out there, for everybody to be well informed as
they go into work, as they start off their day.
Two hundred and nine people on Sunday, two and fifty

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four people on Saturday, and go read about it at
OutKick dot com. If you question my data, you can
go click on the links yourself and see it for yourself. Okay,
the numbers may go up on Monday and Tuesday, they
may go up on Wednesday. They probably will. That's the
way the cyclical nature of this virus works. But the
overall trend line for ten straight weeks has been less

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people have died this week than die the week before. Now,
I can't guarantee that it's gonna happen in the next week,
because it's I think most of you out there will
be like, it's been pretty hard to predict anything about
so far right. It's possible that we've hit a low.
It's possible that the deaths might tick up just a
little bit, but we're talking about the deaths with the

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coronavirus becoming a small part of the overall national death rate. Again,
on Sunday, around two point eight percent of all deaths
involved the coronavirus at all. That means nineties seven point
two percent of the people who were dying yesterday. And again,

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I wish that no death has ever happened. I wish
that none of us ever had to deal with difficulty
about death in our lives. But it's important to understand
the facts and put them into context. And again, I
don't particularly begrudge anybody they want to pull a David
Price and they don't want to play this year. Ryan Zimmermann,

(15:04):
I don't those guys have the right to make a
decision not to go work and play sports. Some guys
might even make the right decision for their family because
everybody's circumstances are different. Some people don't need money as
much as everybody else. But I want to dive into
this story in a big way because I think a

(15:24):
lot of the decisions that are made being made are
not being made in a rational way, and they're not
being made using facts as the evidence as opposed to emotion.
All Right, So for much of this hour, I'm gonna
tell you why college football needs to be back. I'm
gonna tell you why the NFL needs to be back.
I'm gonna tell you why the NBA and the NHL

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and Major League Baseball all should be playing with the
caveat that individual players, coaches, referees, they can all decide
not to if they don't want to. An hour two,
we're gonna be joined by Jason Whitlock. Last three Monday's
Jason Whitlock has hung out with us. We did a
podcast exclusive with Jason Whitlock the last week. If you

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Make sure you don't miss anything at all there, and
I guarantee you're gonna have a lot of interesting discussions
with him about the Redskins, the Indians, UH, the NBA
coming back, and player names that are gonna be on
the jerseys and David Price and other decisions. All of

(16:28):
that is still to come. It is gonna be a
loaded Monday edition of the program, but I wanted to
start off with the absolute latest data two d and
fifty four people on Saturday, dying with the coronavirus two
hundred and nine on Sunday. I hope you had good
July four, and I hope you're ready to roll with
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come back. What do I think about the David Price decision?
But more importantly, what in the world is going on
that there is talk about a spring football season. I'll
tell you why. I think it is college football lunacy.
This is outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis. There are

(19:07):
lots of arguments that I would say, I see and
I think, to myself, this makes zero sense. This does
not make any sense at all. To me, I don't
understand what people are thinking. That's the case right now
with the idea of college football being played in the spring,
and this is such a bad idea all right. First

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of all, college football needs to be taking place in
the fall, and all kids need to be back on
college campuses in the fall. Kids in college are under
a greater risk of being struck by lightning than they
are of dying of the coronavirus. They are much more
likely to die of the flu or pneumonia than they

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are of the coronavirus. They are more likely to die
driving to a college campus than they are of the coronavirus.
All of these are indisputably true. Okay, these are factually
easy to research and indisputably true statements. People have lost
their mind over the way that they are responding to
the coronavirus, and I blame to a large extent the

(20:12):
media for not sharing the actual data. But irrespective of that,
there is no guarantee whatsoever that it's going to be
safer to play college football in January and February and
March than it is in September and October and November.

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In fact, it may well be more dangerous for college
kids to play in January, February and March. Let me
explain why this is a ridiculous decision on many different levels,
but let's begin here one. The goal by which it
is being considered actually doesn't make any sense, because again,

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in the winter is typically when virus is spread at
the most. You typically don't have the flu in the summer,
You typically don't get as bad as colds in the
summer as you do in the winter. Virus is spread,

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regardless of what virus it is much more significantly in
the winter, so college kids are much more likely to
be in danger in January and February in March. If
you are concerned about the coronavirus in those months, then
they are in September and October and November. It makes

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no sense whatsoever, even from a health perspective. There. On
top of that, think about the health that you are
then requiring college kids to theoretically play January, February, March,
take off, April, May, June, July, and then they're right

(21:59):
back in to another season. So you're making them play
to football seasons in roughly a seven or eight month period,
meaning their bodies are going to be taking beatings and
hits that are more significant than they are used to.
As if that were not enough, why in the world

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would any top junior or any senior with hope of
playing in the NFL ever play in a January, February
and March football league. Think about it. The NFL combine
is in February, when you have to go out and
train and prove that you are capable of being a professional.

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Would be right in the middle of the spring football season.
Why would you risk your health in order to play
in college when everybody else is immediately starting to train
for the NFL combine. I know a little bit about
this because I trained for the NFL combine and wrote

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a book about the experience. That's how I met Jeff Schwartz,
who sits in as one of our guests hosts a
lot about a decade ago. I went through all that training.
As soon as the bowl game is played, all of
these guys rush immediately who hoped to play in the
NFL and start working on getting their bodies into peak

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physical condition for the late February NFL Combine so that
they can be prepared to run the best forty yard
dash possible to have the best pro day at their campus.
There's no way that top players would play. I wouldn't
tell them to play. You wouldn't tell them to play.

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Trevor Lawrence is never gonna play for Clemson if the
games are being played in the spring and he wants
to go ow and go number one overall, as he
likely would. Why in the world would any player that
believes that they have a chance of being a high
draft pick not focus on trying to be a professional. So,

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in addition to the fact that it's not going to
be safer okay, which is which is a pretty big
deal because January, February and March probably are gonna have
a higher rate of viral infection. In addition to the
fact that it's not gonna be safer, you also are
dealing with the fact that you are going to then

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play two seasons in the space of about eight months. Right,
it's a pretty significant deal. And then also all of
the best players are going to sit out because they're
gonna be focused on going to the NFL. Think about it.
You've got guys who all sit out the bowl games
now when they are top contenders for the NFL, and

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now they're going to definitely sit out. Think about this
as well. A guy like TWA can get injured in November,
he can then be healthy enough by the time it
gets back to April to be able to put himself
into a position to be a high draft pick. If
a guy like to A got hurt in January or February,

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he would never be healthy enough to demonstrate that he's
ready to play in the NFL. Not to mention, think
of all the guys that would get injured in January,
February and into March and April that would never be
able or healthy enough to play again in NFL training
camps by July. This is just one of the worst

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ideas that I have ever seen. I think what will
happen is if college football doesn't play in the fall,
they're not gonna play for an entire year. This spring
idea is the lunacy. It is absolutely bonkers to even

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remotely be considering this. Furthermore, the NFL will slide right
in and take over Saturday from college football because the
NFL is going to play. The NFL is hoping right
now that college football elects not to play, because they

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will completely take over the fall sports calendar and they
will say, oh, you're not gonna play any games on Saturday,
thank you very much. We will play games all day
Saturday and all day Sunday. And some of you out
there who don't like college football, you're probably listening to
me right now, like, hey, that doesn't sound like an

(26:52):
awful situation. I think the NFL, if college football doesn't
show up, would elect to play games on Thursday like normal.
On Saturday, they might well play three three different time slots,
and then three different time slots on Sunday they do
the one, the four, and the eight kickoffs, and they

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would take over all of the college football broadcast windows
and it wouldn't even be a difficult decision for the NFL,
and it would be a huge boon to their overall product. Frankly,
I'm not sure how college football deals from a pure
mathematical perspective when it comes to balancing the budget with

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missing an entire year of college football season. In addition
to fact that you have to probably extend all the
television contracts because you're not fulfilling your obligations there, we're
already seeing all these different college athletic departments cutting team sports.
All of their money just about comes from college edge football. Moreover,

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if you're playing college football in the spring, are you
able to play at all college basketball? I wouldn't think so,
which means you might be going for a second straight
year of no March madness. Now, some of you out
there are like, we're gonna have a vaccine. We're gonna

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have a vaccine. I hope we have a vaccine. I
hope we have a vaccine and it works flawlessly and
everybody's healthy. Are you willing to to to to risk that,
to just stay in your homes and not do anything
for the next seven or eight months to protect yourself

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from something that has almost a zero percent death rate.
If you are young and healthy, and I'm defining young broadly,
I'm not. I'm living my life. I am out in
a out I think we gotta keep the economy going.
I'm more concerned with the forty million people who lost

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their jobs than I am with people who may get
this virus. I understand that upset some of you. I'm
telling you from my perspective, the risk of forty million
unemployed is more significant than the risk of this virus.
The average age of death from this virus is older
than the average age of death uh in this country.

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Let me repeat that, you are more likely to die
of something other than the coronavirus at a younger age
than you are to die of the coronavirus. The average
person dying of the coronavirus is older than the average
age of death in this country. That's pretty significant. That

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means all the things that are out there, you are
more likely to die of something else. So this argument,
which somehow has taken root and somehow has been promoted
and argued in favor of, is one of the worst
arguments I have seen in some time. And it's like

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nobody is willing to stand up and wave their hand
and say, wait a minute, guys, this is absolute stupidity.
If you don't play college football this fall, you are
not playing college football for a year. And if that occurs,
then the hit to these college athletic departments is going
to be seismic. And I think we're gonna be set

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up for a lot of lawsuits regardless, because colleges have
to be open period. If you got a kid and
they are going to school, I saw USC Southern cow
say that they're primarily going to be doing remote learning
for the fall semester. USC is seventy five thousand dollars

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a year. Why in the world would any parent a
seventy five thousand dollars a year so their kid can
sit in front of a computer screen in the basement
of their house for a fall semester. I got a
twelve and nine and a five year old. I want
them in school this fall, seventh grader, fourth grader, kindergartener.

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If they aren't physically present in school this fall, I
am going to be really upset. I love them more
than anything in the world. They matter more to me
than anything in the world. They're not in danger. That's
why sixties seven thousand pediatricians. The Association of American Pediatricians

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came out and said kids need to be back in school.
That's why they said that, because there is a huge
difference between being in school and not being in school,
and that difference is magnified the older the kid is
to a certain extent, but also a magnified to a

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large extent based on whether or not a kid has
good fortune privilege. Do you have work in WiFi at home?
Do you have parents that are able to help you
with things that you don't really understand that well? Do
you have any kind of support structure? The richer kids

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are doing better with lockdowns than the poorer kids are.
From an academic perspective. If you care about everybody trying
to have a level playing field, this is a massive
difference in the way that everybody is treated. Spring college
football is lunacy. It's one of the dumbest arguments I've
ever seen. Kids need to be back in school, period.

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That's college, that's kindergarten, that's everybody. When we come back,
Peter King has lost his mind. I'll tell you the latest.
What a what an old man? What a batty old man?
This is Outkicked the coverage with Clay Traffics. I've been
fired up talking about college football and the necessity of

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playing in the fall and how it makes no sense
once so whatsoever to even consider the idea of a
spring college football season. Gave you all the latest data
on the coronavirus and how it impacts the return of sports.
I want to have a little bit of fun here
with with Peter King's lunacy before we get into everything
surrounding UH controversy and more with Jason Whitlock, who's going

(33:30):
to join us at the start of our two on
the Monday edition of the program as he always does.
Glad to be back with you guys, by the way,
after being down in Florida. Uh for as long as
I was. UM. But but yeah, here's the deal. Peter King,
I don't know if you saw this. I'm reading from
OutKick right now. One of our writers, Uh, Peter King
was really upset by ESPN putting on the hot dog

(33:55):
eating contest from Nathan's on July four. Nathan's hot Dog
Eating Contest. Usually it's at Coney Island. It's been it's
a holiday July four tradition for a long time. Uh,
Peter King has been fired up for a long time
about the about the hot dog eating contest, and in fact,
he says, uh, the fact is ESPN celebrates the birthday

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of our country by airing a gluttonous, vomitous, and grotesque event.
Eating is not a support, is not a sport. Competitive
eating is a sin. Now, of all the things that
you could be fired up about in where is competitive
eating of hot dogs on your list? This is this

(34:43):
is pretty ridiculous of all the things that you could
decide to embrace and think that eating too many hot
dogs is a sin. It is vintage Peter King. And
if you were member, we need to play that at
some point, uh so people can hear it again who

(35:04):
might have missed it. Peter King came on the show
Corona Bro Peter King perpetually offended and outraged Peter King.
But even I, when I saw this, I was like,
is Peter King now self satirizing? Has he become self
aware that he is a grumpy old man that he
now is offended by hot dog eating contest? I'm not

(35:28):
sure there's a single First of all, if you're offended
by something, don't watch it, or don't listen to it. Right.
This is my advice in general. I know we're in
the middle of cancel culture and everybody's perpetually outraged by everything.
But if you don't like someone or you don't like something,
I don't know why, your number one idea isn't to

(35:50):
choose not to watch it or listen to it. There
are lots of television programs out there that I watch
and I'm like, ah, this doesn't really feel like it's
for me. I don't immediately then pull out my phone
and say, oh my god, this shouldn't exist for anybody else.
Some people have difficulty understanding the difference between cancel culture

(36:12):
and a marketplace. Cancel culture is I don't like something,
therefore it shouldn't exist. I don't like that person's a joke,
or I don't like their opinion, and therefore they shouldn't
be able to have a job. That is canceled culture.
I don't like something, and so I'm not gonna watch

(36:34):
it or listen to it. That's just called being an adult.
There are all sorts of things out there that you
and I may not like, but I recognize that other
people do like it, and so I don't really have
a problem with it. I'll give you an example. I'm
not a huge fan just me. I understand that some

(36:56):
people disagree. I'm not a huge fan of Let's see what,
I'm not a huge fan of that other people think
is popular. I'm not a huge fan of cooking. Personally.
I'd rather have somebody else cook something. I don't like
to spend time preparing food. I've said this before. I

(37:17):
have never in my life boiled water. People hear that
and they're like blown away. I've never might like boiled water.
I just I don't find the idea of cooking to
be that entertaining. Cooking shows even more ludicrous to me.
I like to eat, I don't like to watch cooking shows. Okay,

(37:40):
cooking shows are wildly popular. But you know what, I've
never ever thought to myself, Hey, all cooking shows should
be banned because I don't like them. I'm gonna try
to cancel all cookie shows. No, it's not my thing.
Lots of people want it, have at it. I'm not
gonna watch it. I'm not going to support it. That's

(38:03):
the solution to life. If everybody just made this decision
right now as we start off this week, If you
don't like something, don't watch it. Don't try and keep
other people who might like something from being able to
consume it. Cancel cultures, ridiculous in all respects. Peter King,

(38:23):
Just what a loser that dude is. What an absolute, unabashed,
total loser. You don't like the hot dog eating contest,
don't watch the hot dog eating contest. I'm pretty sure
that whether or not somebody goes to heaven or Hail, Hail,
that's a Southern accent for you. Heaven or Hell is
not in any way going to be impacted by whether

(38:45):
or not they ever competed in a hot dog eating contest.
Just my idea. All right, we come back. Jason Wentlock
will join us. I bet he's competed in a hot
dog eating contest before, maybe back in the day before
he lost a lot of weight. Ask him about it,
See whether or not he think anybody's gonna go to
Hell if they do it. Apprech it all of you
hanging out with us our one of the books Jason Whitlock. Next,
be sure to catch live editions about Kicked the coverage

(39:06):
with Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern three
am Pacific, Jason Whitlock, did you see that Peter King
lost his mind talking about the hot dog eating contest
and Nathan's uh, and said it was it was a
sin and that I presume that that he is, Uh,
it's gluttony and he's totally unaccepting of the idea that

(39:27):
ESPN put it on television. It's real, Peter King, he
was offended. I'm gonna read it to you. Uh. Peter
King tweeted as follows. Uh. Somebody said, you know you
have a remote, you don't have to watch it. Peter
King said, never have, never will not. The point The

(39:47):
fact is ESPN celebrates the birthday of our country by
airing a gluttonous, vomitous, and grotesque event. Eating is not
a sport. Competitive eating is a sin. Listen. I agree
with him to some degree in terms of, you know,

(40:08):
someone who struggled with their weight, But there's just certain
battles I'm gonna fight and that's not one. As a kid,
I was in a whitecastle and contest, Uh when I
was in high school and actually wanted Uh. I can't remember.
It may have been nineteen in ten minutes, that's a

(40:29):
lot of Yeah, that's a lot of a lot of bread. Uh,
but yeah, I don't know the things I'll get riled
up about. That's the Nathan's Hot dogging contest is not
on my list. I conna be honest with you. I
actually enjoyed. I ran through his mentions and it was
a release to see somebody arguing about something that everybody

(40:52):
sort of universally agreed was a ridiculous thing to be
that upset about, right, Like, of all that, Like every
day and we're gonna get into a lot of the
controversial issues of the day, I'm sure, as we always do.
But every day you get on social media and like
you check and see what's trending, or at least I do,
and I'm like, oh my god, is this really trending?
It was kind of nice to see everybody just be like,

(41:13):
of all the things that you could be offended by.
It was like even the woke people were like, yeah,
you know what, Peter King, and I'm not ready to
follow you down that path. Yeah, you know of all
the crimes going on in the media of the Nathan's
Hot dog eating contests, uh ranks really very low on
my list. Uh yeah, there's no doubt at all. By

(41:36):
the way. Did you have a good Uh? So you
live in I'm not giving anything away here, uh high
rise in l A. And I was talking about opening
up the show last year. I was in l A
for July four and I was coming back from from
we were with Sal. It was me and Furman and
Rachel Bonetta spent July four with cousin Sal and his
family and we're coming back. Ferman and I wore to

(41:58):
get to our hotel and uh, and we were coming
back right as it was getting dark, and all along
the four oh four oh five it was amazing. There
were fireworks going off everywhere, and it was a beautiful
spectacle of July four in l A. And I've seen
we put it up on out Kick. There was footage
of you know up above. I've had the good fortune

(42:18):
to be a couple of times. What I thought was
pretty cool in an airplane flying on July four aground.
I think I flew from like Nashville to l A
one night on July four, and I could see the
celebrations in the evening taking place all the way across
the country. Really cool to see. Could you see all
the fireworks going off from from your your high rise?
There in l A. I was not at home. I

(42:41):
was with a friend and wasn't paying a lot of attention.
We watched a couple of episodes of The Sopranos. I
could hear the fireworks. Yeah, but when you get to
be my age, you've seen one firework, you've seen them all.
I can certainly hear. Uh, But I and not take
the time of go out and look all right, so here,

(43:03):
I want to get this before we get into some
of the serious stuff. My contention is that so we
just spent July four and and uh, and we were
down at the beach, and the most famous summer movie,
maybe of them all, is Jaws, which came out and
it's set round July four in uh, you know, ninety

(43:24):
it comes out. My contention is that Jaws is the
single most influential movie that was ever made. And I
think about it every time I go to the beach.
That a huge percentage of listeners do as well in
terms of influencing your life and the way you think.

(43:44):
Can you come up with a movie that is more
influential across America than Jaws? Ho? Ho? How did Jaws
influence me? In terms of being afraid of being in
the water. Yeah, Like I I think just about every
single person when they go to the beach. Maybe it
was the case people were terrified of sharks before Jaws

(44:06):
came out, But I think like every single person when
they go into the ocean who has seen the movie Jaws,
at least in the back of their mind, thinks, ah,
I might get eaten by a shark, even if they
know it's super unlikely. And when, especially when you get
out like to the waist level, or you get out

(44:27):
to like where your your feet aren't touching, I think
that every single person who's in the ocean is thinking
about sharks. And I don't know that if Jaws, like
if that movie had never been made the way it was,
with the music, with the huge, you know, great white Shark,
I think it's the most influential movie ever made in

(44:47):
the history of movies. Well, under that definition, I can
see where you're going with it. I'll give you a
different definition of why I think the movie is important
is because every time I rewatch it as an adult,
I always come away unimpressed, like it's just not that

(45:09):
good of a movie. And for it to have had
the impact and the reputation that it does, and the
fact that again right now, to you're calling it the
most influential because when you first five years ago said
that the movie, when you without the definition, I was like,

(45:29):
how does this movie more influential than The Godfather? That
to me is the most influential movie ever, and it romanticized,
uh MA, fil life in a way that it's never
been romanticized. I'm rewatching The Sopranos now for the fourth time,
uh in my life, and it's it's all because of

(45:51):
the movie The Godfather. Because watching The Sopranos now, like
I am right now, I was like, it's been twenty years,
it's been off the year. I'm amazed at like how
depraved Tony Soprano was and that I idolized him at
the time that this originally aired, and it's like I'm

(46:11):
looking at it twenty years later and I'm like, this
guy was a depraved, selfish, immoral, unlikable personal But but
because of The Godfather, because what it's done to us
about the Italian mafia or whatever. You watch it and
you kind of look up to Tony Soprano and you

(46:33):
root for Tony Soprano. So to me, the Godfather is
the most influential, But I get I get it to
me for Jaws, for people to remember it the way
it is, because it's just I remember as a kid
when I saw it in seventy five, I was eight
years old. I remember like being scared, like the movie
was kind of scary, and I remember, dude, we were

(46:54):
getting swimming pools and and talk about Jaws. And I
can remember we took a spring break trip down the
Via Beach, Florida and got in the ocean. That was
my first time in the ocean. It was when Fernando
vans Wiler was a rookie with the Dodgers. They used
to have spring training and Vera beach, and I can
remember getting into the ocean and thinking about Jaws. So

(47:15):
you're you're right in that regard, but the guy father
boy influential. I remember watching Jaws, to your point, and
being afraid of being in a swimming pool, you know,
like the lake a place where you knew, at least
in your mind, like you could see in a swimming pool, right,
I mean, like a big shark would be pretty noticeable.
And I remember being afraid there, but certainly in a

(47:37):
lake you'd be like I don't know. Maybe there's a
there's a great white in this lake too, you know,
like I remember being that afraid. Uh so, So that's
interesting that I want to go back to the Sopranos,
by the way, because I think we've had this conversation.
I don't think we've had it on air. But what's
so fascinating about The Sopranos to me is the era
of television that it launched, and it waunched the era

(48:01):
of the anti hero. Right like you just said, Oh,
I looked up to Tony Soprano. I idolized him, You
rooted for him. You certainly saw that in many of
the great television shows that came after that, whether it's
Walter White and Breaking Bad. They're a bunch of people
in the wire that you could point to all of
the greatest television of that era that spiraled out from there.

(48:24):
It was very horribly flawed individuals that yet you rooted
for and we were willing. And I'm kind of curious
on this because it seems to be the anti of
the era that we're in now. In real life, we
were willing to forgive and forget tremendous flaws in fictional

(48:45):
characters while enforcing an artificial standard of purity upon true
public figures. What do you make of that dichotomy? Why?
Why was and still is Tony Soprano wildly popular and
yet in our public persona it's like, Oh, man, that

(49:07):
person sent a tweet, They've got to be canceled. Oh
that person made a joke that may be on inappropriate,
They've got to be canceled. Why do we gravitate towards
flaws and fiction and pretend that we are terribly upset
by them in real life? It's a great question. I'm
gonna need a bit more time to marinate on that

(49:29):
to give you a substance answer. So I'm gonna answer
a little bit differently and and say that one of
the things I'm enjoying about watching the Sopranos in is
it's not PC like the TV shows we're putting out now,
And the fact that Tony Soprano is incredibly flawed and

(49:55):
isn't PC and they say things that make me laugh
that inappropriate and I don't have to sit here and
have a little frown on my face like, oh my god,
he shouldn't have said that. And so I remember I
wrote this about Jordan's after the Last Dance documentary. I
didn't write it, I talked about it. Uh, It's one

(50:16):
of the things we loved about Last Dance was that
it was like a hat tipped old school masculinity. And
and I remember Michael Jordan's is a huge fan of
Western movies, old westerns. He and his dad watching Michael
Jordan's stays up late and watching them. And I think,
for me, it's like the Sopranos are like and I

(50:37):
like Western movies too, not as much as I like
the Sopranos, but watching the Sopranos and watching these old
TV shows remind me of the way things used to
be and I missed that. And uh, it's like I'm
very reluctant to watch any of the new television shows

(50:58):
that come out because I always get disappointed that they
write in storylines that don't make any sense, that seemed force,
that have nothing to do with the real story. They
explore parts of people's character that that I'm just not
that interested in. And through four seasons of The Sopranos,

(51:19):
everything about it, I like everything. You know, a lot
of it isn't appropriate, it's not PC, but damn it
I missed that, and you know, I wish we could
go back there. But as it relates to your original
question about why can't we understand that human beings are

(51:39):
flawed and and that they evolve and and that's one
of the things like in my column this morning, I'm
trying to explore and trying to get at in terms
of people, you can't evolve right now or or or
we don't give people credit for their evolution. And and

(52:00):
it's like there were tweets from Colin Kaepernick from previous
July four that we're different than his tweets this year
about July four, And so Colin Kaepernick has evolved and
become a different person. He doesn't want to give America
credit for evolving and becoming a different country. Only Colin

(52:23):
Kaepernick can evolve America. Understand, that's the same place it was, uh,
you know in eighteen forty it's the same country in
And that's just bs. It's such a fascinating point. Uh.
And I'm gonna circle back to Colin Kaepernick here in
our conversation. We're talking to Jason Whitlock at Whitlock Jason

(52:45):
on Twitter. I want to hit you with this too.
So we drove back on Saturday, and I talked about
this an hour one because I was concerned. My wife
convinced me. She was like, you know, traffic is going
to be a disaster on July five, because the beach
is packed. Everybody's gonna be driving home the same day
July fourth, Saturday, July five, it's gonna be like your

(53:07):
she knows I hate traffic, right, and I get frustrated,
and a lot of people out there right now are like,
you know what, it was a disaster on July five.
And it's like the way your vacation ends can sometimes
strain the front of the vacation, Like like if it
takes me twice as long to get home as it should,
I'm like, oh man, this thing sucked. Right by the
time you get home, you're in an ordinary mood. She's

(53:27):
afraid of it. So anyway, got in the car. There's
nobody on the road. Uh. It takes you know, six
hours to get home, zero issues, everything smooth, entire interstates
almost free. Uh. And I'm listening. I'm also enjoying the
ride because I'm listening to I think it's Channel comedy

(53:47):
specials on Sirius XM and maybe it's because it was
July four, but they they had like long form comedy
specials on, like, and so we're in the car for
six hours and I heard like four or five different
hour plus long comedy sets. It was like being in
a you know, like being in like I mean, you know,

(54:08):
you're in your car, kids that got their headsets online
in the back, so I don't have to look back
and worry about what they're hearing, you know, which I
mean these are unedited comedic sets, and they were older, right, um.
And I wrote down everybody that I was listening to,
and what was interesting was I was like, man, I
can't believe they're playing some of these sets because there

(54:30):
were some jokes where you laugh and you're like, oh
man that if they tweeted that they would be under
so much trouble. And a bunch of the dudes and
girls are now quote unquote woke on social media all
day long, right, And so I listened to, uh, in
no particular order, their whole specials, A Z's I'm Sorry,

(54:52):
Patton Oswald, Amy Schumer, David Spade, and one in particular
stood out to me from Patton Oswald that I want
to hit you with. All right, So Patton Oswald is
now a super woke comedian who's incredibly active on social media.
He did an entire set, this is probably six or

(55:14):
seven years ago about how his daughter confused a black
man with a white goatee and older black man with
the monkey from the Lion King. Uh And and I
was listening to it and I was like, oh wow,

(55:35):
and like and you know, it's Patton Oswald, who's like,
oh my god, I can't believe somebody would protest the lockdown.
And I'm like, are they gonna start going back through
every joke that's ever been made because these were years ago? Right?
Uh A, Z's I'm sorry, Patton Oswald, Amy Schumer, David Spade,

(55:56):
And I'm like, you know, people are coming after let's
say they're coming after and anti cancelation culture. Everybody knows
that there. I'm anti the idea of anybody being able to,
you know, go back and say like this comedian shouldn't
be able to host the ox Oscars, for instance, because
we've seen it happen with a lot of different guys
over there, most recently, uh with uh with, I mean god,

(56:17):
every it's like every comedian has been canceled on some level? Right,
what do you think is gonna happen with comedy specials
like old school comedy specials. Are people gonna go back
and are they gonna find like all the jokes that
Eddie Murphy made which were so funny in uh In
in his two comedy specials in the eighties and be like,
this can't be aired anymore if Eddie Murphy takes the

(56:40):
wrong position on any of these issues, cancel. Yeah, do
you think that's why these comedians are so woke because
they're afraid of what they said before? Look at Jimmy Kimmel.
I mean, the guy grew up in the On the
Man Show about as unwelcare show as you could possibly be.

(57:00):
Now he's built an entire career off of being woke
as hell and demonizing everybody. And and you know, his
history says that in the name of comedy and in
the name of uh making a reputation and and making money,
he was willing to tell whatever joke was was necessary.

(57:21):
And now that he's in that nice, soft, cushy spot
making millions of dollars, he doesn't want to lose it,
So he's become woke and and has been, and he
gets you get off the hook. That is your get
out of jail free card. If you go woke, nothing
in your past matters. I mean, they're listening, and we
ain't gotta name names, but I said, listen to people

(57:43):
on TV that have a lot of garbage in their history,
a lot, and they are just demonizing everybody, and they're
taking positions that I don't think they believe, and they're
doing it because they know how much garbage they can
be me too at any time, and uh, you know,

(58:06):
not to personalize them and become narcissistant with I mean
that that's one of the problems I think the mainstream
media has had with me and the whole world cross
had with me because I've confessed every one of my sins.
There's no dirt on me that I have not aired myself,
and that's who I was. It's not maybe not who
I am at this moment, but uh, you know, there's

(58:29):
a lot of people that have never confessed their sins,
never lived transparently. Everybody knows their sins. They've lost jobs
because of their sins, and they take positions now so
that their previous sins won't be thrown in their face.
We're talking to Jason Winlock and we come back. We've
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(59:52):
we come back more with Whitlock. This is OutKick the
coverage with Clay Travis. Yeah, let's dive into some of
the controversies that are out there. Let's start with this
one Redskins that appears are going to change their name.
Here's my take on it with Lock. I'm curious about yours.
I don't really care. I never have cared what the

(01:00:15):
Washington Redskins called themselves. I do think it leads immediately
to the Cleveland Indians, which we know already having to
reconsider their name. Uh. The Kansas City Chiefs will be
next up on the chopping block, so to speak. Atlanta Braves,
Florida State Seminoles like, We've been down this pathway before,
and my concern is just not about these individual circumstances,

(01:00:38):
but setting the precedent that if people are angry, everything
ends up getting changed and the precedent of allowing the
woke mob to win. I hate to allow even though
personally I don't really have any strong feelings about the
Washington Redskins name. Does that make sense to you? What
is yours? I say my position would be, I think

(01:01:03):
the Washington risk Gives should change their names. Uh. I'm
not a Native American. It's not central to me in
terms of passion. There are Native Americans who don't think
it should change. I'm not well versed on that issue.
Where I one thousand percent agree with you, though, is

(01:01:25):
that these nickname changes will be used as look, see
we were right, and all the other stuff we're doing
is right, and it's just not just because there's a
kernel of truth to your message doesn't make the whole
bag of popcorn healthy or good. And and that you

(01:01:48):
are establishing a precedent of Hey, this particular mob uh
got this victory and therefore they're right on X, Y,
and Z. And I think a lot of young people
will interpret that way, and that is dangerous. But you know, listen,
I'm glad if if the nicknames get changed and that

(01:02:08):
controversy goes away and it's a positive for Native Americans
hats off. At least this whole thing accomplish something. But
that's it. That's about it as far as I could see. Yeah,
and and my concern in general, and I'm with you.
I mean again, it doesn't really matter to me one
way or the other. I'm not gonna care if they
go to a different name for Washington, but to me,

(01:02:29):
it all ties in. Right. So if you tell me, hey,
we only want to change these two names, right, Like
if if if we could have a conversation with the
woke community and we sit down and it's like a
mediation and they're like, Okay, all we want is you
give up the Kansas City Chiefs and the Washington Redskins,

(01:02:49):
and we will stop complaining about anything relating to nicknames
in sports. I'd be like, all right, I'll give you that,
let's change it. I'm fine with it. Doesn't like in general,
I don't think people care. The problem is they don't
respond that way. When you give them the Redskins and
you give them the Chiefs, it legitimizes cancel culture in

(01:03:10):
their mind. And so then they come back and they're like, well,
we want the Atlanta Braves and we want the Florida
State seminoles, and we want nobody to ever do with
Tomahawk Chan again. And we want like sooner or later
they find something new to latch onto. They're never satisfied.
Does that make sense that that? And and Adam Corolla,
let me give me about comedians. Yeah, let me give

(01:03:32):
you the example that there's a discussion already percolating about
the Golden State Warriors, that there's already a bit of
the Warrior is considered to be offensive now because I
think in its original form, I think it may have
had something to do with the black character. I can't

(01:03:52):
I just heard about this vaguely, that the Warriors were
up next for discussion as they went further and further
down this role. And yeah, listen, I this march of
political correctness, it doesn't have an endgame. It's not a destination.

(01:04:13):
It's a journey. And the journey is never ending, and
eventually they'll decide, you know what, Jason Lee Whitlock, you
shouldn't be called Lee because that goes to Chinese people.
You're not. I mean, it just never stops and they
just start implementing rules. And you can't say this, You

(01:04:33):
can't say that. You can't and America once again, whether
we like it or not, is based on freedom, and
you can't have you can't be free without the dumb
the U n B. And so there's a level of
dumbness that needs to be tolerated in order for us
to all to be free. And these thought police that

(01:04:55):
are out and active, I don't want them in charge
of my brain. I don't want the in charge of
my society. I'll give you an example here. And this
this blew my mind when I told that. My mom
told me yesterday. So, uh, there is a woman around
sixty five years old who is friends with my mom
and her name is Dixie, like as in like Dixie Carter,

(01:05:18):
you know, like d I x I E. She went
into a restaurant recently to make an order, gave him
her name. Somebody called out her name Dixie. She went
up to the counter. Sixty five year old woman, the
nicest woman you can ever meet, grandma right, woman said
to her, you need to watch it with that name.

(01:05:41):
It's really offensive. Now imagine being like twenty five years
old and telling a sixty five year old grandma that
you find her name Dixie offensive. She was so her
feelings were so hurt that she now when she goes
into place an order in a restaurant, is using her

(01:06:04):
middle name because she's afraid of being called out because
her name is Dixie. That's where we are right now
as a society. And and I I like, I am
so like that story that my mom told me yesterday.
It's stuck with me to such an extent because there's

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so many different angles to it. I feel awful for
the sixty five year old woman who isn't able to
use her actual name because she's offended, because my response
would have been like, yeah, that's my name. I ain't
changing it right, Like, I mean, it's like, what do
you want me to do? You know? Like, and but
for the person who confronted her about her name, Like,

(01:06:49):
can you imagine that? What kind of cild are we
in where a situation like that happens? It's I'm just
trying to figure out a fit who who determines offense
in terms of I mean, maybe you need to get
better hold of your emotional state if someone's name Dixie

(01:07:13):
can be offensive to you. I don't know who this
person is, but but trust me, it's like I listen
to music, rap music and I hear the N word
all the time, and I gotta admit it's offensive to me.
But it's like that's that seems to be outside of

(01:07:33):
my control. I've complained about it, no one cares, but
I just can't believe what we pick and choose to
be offended by. Oh, if this person is of this
color and calls me the N word, it's not offensive.
But if this person is a different color says that,

(01:07:54):
I'm very offended. If they say it in a song,
I'm very expended. It's this the world has gone crazy
now people named Dixie have to walk around with shame.
It's it's just we got to stop this. Men at
some point got to stand up and be men and

(01:08:14):
guit just taking this and just quick taking and taking
and taking. People are trying to overturn the most successful
country that we've ever seen. We're all blessed to be
living in. All the people doing all the complaining, not
one of them is looking to leave America. That to

(01:08:37):
me calls bs on most of their complaints. If not
all all right, I want to hit you with a
with hypothetical. So I went to go see and I
might need to do this in the next segment, but
I'm gonna set it up. I went to go see
Hamilton's on Broadway. Uh, phenomenally entertaining play. I'm a history
American history buff. I thought it was very well done

(01:08:59):
La Manuel Miranda. It just got put up on Disney Plus,
so a lot of people have been watching it over
the weekend. Everybody's looking for entertainment options everything else. Um,
it's Uh, it is a for people who aren't familiar
with it. Have you seen Hamilton's No Okay? But for
people who are not familiar with it, it is a
rap version of Alexander Hamilton's life. Uh. When we come back,

(01:09:23):
I've got a hypothetical that I think is gonna blow
Jason Whitlock's mind. Uh. That is next. This is OutKick.
We're breaking down all the controversies of the weekend. We
still gotta get into Colin Kaepernick. I want to ask
Whitlock what he thinks about college football and spring. Uh,
the NBA player names on the jerseys. We got a
ton of stuff to get into before the show is finished.
Whitlocks with us for the rest of the program, but

(01:09:44):
we will discuss that next. This is Outkicked. The coverage
with Clay traffics. Alright, this has turned into a huge
controversy of late where you've got like, uh, voice actors saying, oh,
you can only be a voice actor of a cartoon character, right,

(01:10:06):
like on the Simpsons. Uh, somebody I can't remember who
was Hankin's area. I think he's been doing the apoo
character for a long time on The Simpsons and he's like, hey,
I can no longer do the poo character voice. Uh.
You've got somebody I think on Uh, Like I can't
even keep up. I don't watch a lot of these
cartoon comedies. But it's turned into a big story. You
you know this right, um So and Disney has been

(01:10:29):
a big part of this. Like when they did the
Redid the Lion King, they even have taken it to
the next step and said, oh, you know Simba, which
is a lion, it has to have a black actor
voicing Simba. Do you hear that? Remember that controversy Like
Jonathan Taylor Tom Oh yeah, Jonathan Taylor Thomas, who was
from Home Improvement a white kid, was the voice of

(01:10:51):
Simba in the original animated version. When they did the
live action version again their animals, they were like, oh,
you know, James Earl Jone Ones was the voice of
as everybody knows the voice of of uh not Simba,
but whoever the main I've already forgotten the name now
of the main the main lion and the lion king.

(01:11:12):
But whatever, it's a great, great movie. But now they
were like, oh, no, no, the lions have to have
black actor voices because lions live in Africa, which is
an interesting little twist in and of itself. But what
would happen? Okay, so nobody says about Hamilton's oh there
are white These are white people that are being played

(01:11:32):
by black people. Right. What happened on the internet if
somebody was like, I'm going to do a country and
Western version of the Obama administration and we are going
to have only country music singers, all of whom are white,
playing an Obama themed musical country and Western version. This

(01:11:59):
is the way my mind works. Like, so the rule
is you can only like we now have decided that
even for animals, if the animals are located in Africa,
that you can only have black people voice the animals,
which whatever. Like that was a huge controversy. Disney was like, oh,
I'm so sorry that we ever had a white person

(01:12:21):
voice Simba the lion Mufasa, by the way, is the
is the dad who's playing James ail Jones. Yeah, all right,
so they were like, like Bob Igory got on his
hands and knees, like, I'm so sorry. He's apologizing to
the woke community. I don't know what we were ever
thinking having an animal, all right, an African animal voiced
by a white person. That is now racist. But all

(01:12:45):
of the cast of Hamilton's is uh is black right
pretty much, and they are voicing white characters and it's
a rap and nobody's caring about it. Country and Western
version of the Obama administration. Twitter's reaction is taken away
Jason Whitlock. Uh, Darius Walker would play Barack Obama. Darius

(01:13:09):
Runner is a little let me stop there before I
get in trouble. H. Twitter would lose its mind, right, Yeah,
I guess a little. He would be Eric Holder. Uh.
I don't even know who could play Michelle Obama? Whoever

(01:13:32):
the most famous black country? But I say so? So,
what is Twitter's reaction to that? And let's say it's
incredibly well done, like Hamilton's Linn Manuel Miranda is incredibly talented.
Let's say it's incredibly well done, like well done in
a country music vein, you know Hamilton's Obviously you're you're

(01:13:55):
juxtaposing hip hop with the revolutionary era, which is, you know,
a fusion, a creation of something new that people would
not have foreseen. Like, I don't think there were a
lot of people out there, like, hey, what are you
working on? Oh, I'm thinking about doing a hip hop
version of Alexander Hamilton's historical Broadway movie, you know, historical

(01:14:18):
Broadway play. I don't think there were a lot of
people like competing in that vein. Now they probably are, right, like,
everybody's trying to do their own version. What do you think?
Twitter says, how quickly does that production get never gets
off the ground, And you couldn't look even the vein
and it would be racist even try to do it
as country music. Why wouldn't you do it as rap?

(01:14:40):
You know, he returns with jay Z and so it's
gotta be rap, or it's gotta be R and B.
It's racist for you even to consider doing in a
style of music that isn't traditionally black and African Americans. Look, man,
we just we're living in the craziest time time I

(01:15:00):
think in American history. It crazy. I mean, obviously the
Civil War was worse than but but this, this is
just crazy. Two plus two equals eight to minus two
equals eight. It's just I saw, and I just keep
waiting for it to end, and it just never seems

(01:15:22):
to be ending. When I saw the controversy, this was
like a year ago, maybe two years ago, whatever it
was whenever the Lion King came out in theaters and
they were like, man, it was such a cultural miss
by Disney to not have a black actor voicing the Lion.
I was like, first of all, I even to think

(01:15:42):
about it, right, Like, I mean, I wouldn't and I
bet back, and one thinks about it. Who thinks about
the color of the voice. This is a huge controversy
now because people are like, oh, I can't be you know,
a poo, can't be a white guy on the Simpsons.
And there's some guy in uh in one of the
like in I'm not I'm just reading about it recently,
like everybody is stepping back and saying, no, I can't

(01:16:04):
do a voice of somebody else, like you're literally a
voice actor. We're gonna get into this more the ridiculousness.
Also still want to talk about Colin Kaepernick. I want
to talk about the NBA players with their names on
the jerseys and more. We're talking with Jason Whitlock. This
is OutKick on Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio has
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(01:16:25):
of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and
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to listen live. Jason Whitlock, Imagine you're watching The Lion
King back in whatever year it comes out. You're watching
it and somebody comes over to you and they say, hey, man,

(01:16:45):
in the in the two thousand teens, this movie is
gonna be really controversial, and you're like, really, what's gonna
be controversial about it? Is it that, you know, spoiler alert,
Mufasa is murdered by his brother Scar. Is it that
the young Simba runs off into the wild and has

(01:17:06):
to make a living before coming back to rule the kingdom?
Is that that the hyenas are unhappy with the way
that they are portrayed? Is it? You know all these
different things? I said, no, no, no, The controversy is
going to be that the the the voice of lions

(01:17:26):
and You'll be like, well, lions don't speak. It's like, yeah,
well that's true, they don't actually speak. The voice of
the cartoon Lions, Simba, is a young white kid, and
when they remake The Lion King, everyone at Disney is
going to apologize because lions which don't speak have to

(01:17:49):
have a black voice actor or else it is considered
to be racist. Would you have believed that that could
be a real topic in the Jury in America? No h.
And not only that it would be a real topic,
but that that argument would win, and that almost nobody

(01:18:10):
would take a step and say, well, you know, it
is a cartoon. And also, lions don't speak, and so
the idea that a lion would have a particular voice
associated with any particular race, not to mention that a
lion theoretically would even speak English, since we're talking about
an African lion in general, Like this is several, uh

(01:18:32):
several steps beyond an absurd argument to make. And yet
it's an argument that almost no one at Disney would
feel comfortable even pointing out how ridiculous it is. You
know what, if this were about some real change and
opportunity for African American voice actors or just actors in general.

(01:18:55):
I would buy it. But all it is is just
the typical feel good uh bs that Hollywood and these
elites are into a lot of surface level stuff that
has no real impact. It's a joke, it's a waste
of time, it's it's but it's just where we're at

(01:19:19):
right now in this country. I wake up every day
I think, is this today? It's gonna end in saying it.
He's gonna return and we're actually gonna get about the
job of making America uh better in a real way
and just continuing on the journey. But we just are

(01:19:40):
into this surface level bs that that has no real
meaning or value and just does more to create a
racial divide rather than bringing us together. And as funny
as it is, and I wish I could laugh, but
I'm just sad, man, because so much racial divisions being stirred,
and we got so much unrest and turmoil going on

(01:20:02):
in America. We couldn't even enjoy the damn Fourth of
July without Colin Kaepernick and other people trying to ruin it. Man.
It's just I'm exhausted, man. Alright, So Colin Kaepernick, you
mentioned him on July four, tweeted as followed. Black people

(01:20:22):
have been dehumanized, brutalized, criminalized, and terrorized by America for
centuries and are expected to join your commemoration of quote
independence while you enslaved our ancestors. We reject your celebration
of white supremacy and look forward to liberation for all now.

(01:20:42):
He also attached a video. Uh, this thing got a
hundred and seventies six thousand likes, thirty eight thousand, uh
more than sixty retweets, sixty tho retweets all of that
called you mentioned this earlier call, and Kaepernick, in an
earlier version of himself, had been like, Hey, have a

(01:21:05):
happy Fourth of July. I'm not even making this up.
Just a few years ago, Colin Kaepernick on the fourth
the July tweeted out to everybody, Hey, hope you have
a great Fourth of July. You said what I thought
was really fascinating. Evolution only moves in one direction for
people like Colin Kaepernick. They can evolve. A country cannot
such a smart idea. When you see Colin Kaepernick putting

(01:21:27):
up tweets like that on July fourth, your reaction is
what Well and I get into this in my column
this morning on Our Kick. It's just how uninformed he
is and how social media empowers and legitimizes the uninformed.
Like Colin Kaepernick, he used an audio as the backdrop

(01:21:48):
for those video images he put out of James Earl
Jones reading uh, Frederick douglas is eight fifty two speech
what to the slave is? Fourth is the Or of July,
And Kaepernick just doesn't have any depth of understanding, and
social media doesn't require any depth of understanding, is Like

(01:22:11):
Frederick Douglas used the Declaration of Independence as the foundation
for his lifelong mission of abolition and freeing the slaves.
It was the Declaration of Independence was his foundation for
his argument. He used the Declaration of Independence seventeen seventies

(01:22:35):
six Thomas Jefferson as the foundation for his argument for
freeing African American slaves in America. And so that's one
of the main pieces why we as black people should
celebrate the fourth of July. The Declaration of Independence was
the foundation of our freedom. The other aspect that Kaepernick

(01:22:59):
social media is doesn't requires that. Look, man, slavery was
a global phenomenon, and in the eighteenth century there was
basically one country where slavery was a controversial issue. It
was accepted every place else around the globe for the

(01:23:22):
most part, the in the United States, it was a
controversy and a debate here in America. Long after black
people were freed here in America, in North Africa, they
were still buying and trading for white slaves. And so
this whole demonization of America as if only in the

(01:23:47):
United States was their slavery, and only black people in
America wherever slaves, and this whole not understand there were
black people in America who owned slaves, white and black slaves.
Black people, black people in America in the seventeen and

(01:24:08):
eighteen hundreds owned slaves, black and white slaves. Is a
dude in Virginia in the eighteen sixties. I think his
name is Anthony Johnson. He in Virginia. He was like
the first a black guy to sue to keep a
slave for the rest of his life. It slavery lifetime.

(01:24:29):
Slavery wasn't law until Anthony Johnson sued for it in
Virginia in the sixteen hundreds, and so, I just America
has evolved no different than how Colin Kaepernick has evolved. Previously,
Colin Kaepernick celebrated the fourth July. They found tweets of

(01:24:52):
Colin Kaepernick celebrating the American military. He has evolved into
something else. Now, maybe authentic, maybe it's not, who knows,
but he certainly has evolved. America is just a collection
of people. People. We have evolved. Those documents, the Declaration
of Independence and the US Constitution are probably the two

(01:25:17):
greatest documents of freedom ever written. They laid the foundation
for our freedom here in America that we enjoy here
as African Americans. The U. S. Constitution and the Declaration
of Independence. That's at the foundation of our freedom. And
it's not by mistake. If you really understand history, and

(01:25:40):
I know you're a history buff. Thomas Jefferson, George Washing.
These guys, despite owning slaves, were against slavery and planted
those seeds in the Declaration of Independence in the U. S.
Constitution because they knew it would be a process to
ending slavery. It couldn't just be done over at night.

(01:26:00):
That you had to put in the foundation of America
the seeds and the tools to end slavery. And they
did just that. Those words were chosen intentionally. Frederick Douglas
picked up on them, used them, and eventually America got
there Frederick Douglas, Abrahambling and the Civil War. Hundreds of

(01:26:23):
thousands of Americans lost their lives based off the Declaration
of Independence, the US Constitution, the emancipation of slaves. Of
course we should celebrate. The fourth is the lie. We
are a major part of America's fabric and its journey
towards freedom that is still ongoing. It's it's such a

(01:26:45):
well said and I am a huge history boss, and uh,
we're talking about Jason Whitlock. Go read his call in
this morning at our kick dot com. Um. The tension
between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as it
pertains to freedom and freedom for all people was seismic,
and it was recognized in the earliest days of the

(01:27:08):
United States. And I think you're speaking very well, uh,
in pointing out that the Declaration of Independence exposed of
the hypocrisy of the Constitution in the United States of
America had to ultimately make a decision. Are all men
created equal, as the Declaration of Independence, uh declares in
seventeen seventy six, or are black people three fifths of

(01:27:33):
human beings as the Constitution declares, and that inherent tension
between the two would ultimately lead to a civil war, which,
as you are pointing out, hundreds of thousands of people
died to fight, and as a result, we had a
new birth of freedom. Um. And it is, it is,
It is so fascinating to me in many ways, how

(01:27:56):
social media. We talked about this an hour to write
that what we love about great television is the nuance
involved in our characters is the fact that they are
not and I don't mean in the color all black
or all white. They dwell in gray, right, which is
where most of us live for most of our lives.
I always say, somebody says, how are you doing or

(01:28:19):
what you're I'm trying to be better than I am, right.
I mean, I think that's that's what most people who
wake up every morning in America try to do every day.
They try to be better than they are, right. And
what I mean by that is we all have flaws,
and we try to rise towards our strengths. Um. And
that tension between the good and bad elements of all
of our lives, the angel and the devil, respectively on

(01:28:40):
each shoulder, illuminates us as individuals and as characters. And
what is so fascinating to me is in fictional life
we embrace that nuance. Think about whatever your favorite television
show is, or your favorite novel or your favorite uh
creative work of art. It embraces nuance because that's where

(01:29:02):
great art dwells. It's very rarely an absolute because absolutes
represents propaganda. Yet Twitter requires everything to be without nuance,
and that is one of the challenging parts. I think
we have this disneyfied version of American history. Oh, this
person is all good or this person is all bad,

(01:29:23):
when the reality is everybody somewhere in between right, and
everybody hopefully is moving towards a greater understarting understanding. And
I and I hope I don't totally mess up this quote.
But the arc of the moral universe bends towards righteousness
is something that I believe and I think you believe

(01:29:45):
it as well. But that doesn't mean every single day
everything is perfect, Jason Whitlock. Now, every every day is imperfect. Uh,
And you're right in terms. It's like I'm telling you,
I'm rewatching the Sopranos, watching it with him r mature,
and it's like, I still like Tony Soprano. And he's racist,

(01:30:07):
he's depraved, he's criminal, he's im moral, he cheats on everything.
But but I can still see the good in him.
He's sitting there with a psychiatrist trying to figure himself out.
You know that he's as a kid, his parents were
awful and they created a lot of the issues that

(01:30:30):
we don't like about Tony Soprano. And and again, I'm
just we have this thing now, like, oh my god,
there's a person that said one thing twenty years ago
or fifteen years ago, and that explains everything about it.
And that's just not true. And I say that about
my own life because I can think of some really

(01:30:53):
awful things that I've done. I'm not a bad person.
My overall arc lends itself towards the good rather than
the bad, despite having done some things that I'm not
proud of. We're talking about Colin Kaepernick, and let me
add one more things to Clay because I get into

(01:31:14):
this in my column. Please go read it. But uh,
the other thing, just as black people that I'm trying
to challenge us on is just like, what is our identity?
Because you know, my mom, I didn't put this in
a column because I don't want to piss my mom off.
But she sent me that Frederick does us. What to

(01:31:34):
the Slave is the fourth of July, and and she
sent it to me without comment. But she was, just
like everybody else, swept up in this Fourth of July animosity.
And I just add, I go, well, Mama, are you
a slave? I said, because if you're not, what does
this speech mean to you? This isn't eighteen fifty two.

(01:31:56):
If in two you were a slave, I get it,
But it's twenty You're not a slave. So to the
fourth of July, that this whole thing as a free person,
as a Christian here in America, as someone living an
incredible life in your eighties, uh, living better than you
have it any time in your life. You never owned

(01:32:20):
a home until I bought you one. Everything you have
is paid for. You get to do whatever you want.
So what to Joyce Whitlock is the fourth of July?
Because you're not a slave. You're as free as any
eighty year old I know. And so I just as
black people, we seem to be so caught up identity

(01:32:42):
wise into we're slaves. Well, no, we're not. Let that go.
I'm not a slave, and I get that my descendants
a long time ago were, but that certainly hasn't been
my existence existence in sixty seven I was born, I
wasn't a slave. There haven't been a lot of restrictions

(01:33:05):
that I'm aware of placed on my life or my
growth or my level of success. I've had a couple
of bad incidents, one in particular with the police. It
lasted about thirty minutes. Nobody put a hand on me,
but I was treated poorly. That has not ruined my
overall experience here in America. I can recite chapter and

(01:33:27):
verse all kinds of incredible things that have happened to
me in this life in America that have been great,
and so I just no other group of people is
so caught up in their past as the mainstream media
and social media seems to want Black people to have
caught up in Let's go back what Frederick Douglas said

(01:33:50):
in eighteen fifty two, somehow is relevant to you here in,
or so somehow speaks to your existence here in. Just
don't buy that. Why do you think that is? Why
do you so to your point about the media, or
or the culture or whoever it is that is constantly

(01:34:12):
dragging the black experience back to uh, the time of slavery.
Why do you think that is? I think it's a
system of control and political control. If if they can,
if if somebody wants to control you, keep you, to

(01:34:33):
keep you in your emotions, to keep you making bad decisions,
make someone emotional. People make bad decisions when they're emotional.
And so I think there seems to be a group
politically that wants to control us and wants us to

(01:34:54):
think America's terrible vote for me and will fix it.
And so there's this whole little thing. We'll fix it
as long we got to convince you that there's this
great problem that we have to fix, and only we're
interested in fixing that, no one else is, and then
you can have the success you're looking for. And I

(01:35:17):
just I can't. And again I'm not political. I don't vote,
but I I can't blame it on anybody but the
Democratic Party. It's a system of controlling the black vote,
vote convincing us that there's this massive problem that only
the Democrats can fix, and until we fix it, your

(01:35:38):
life here in America's hell on earth. I just reject
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(01:36:24):
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time we do it, I go back into my mentions
and I scroll through really fast. And there's a ton
of people saying, Man, I love this. Why do you
think conversations like this are so rare? And in both

(01:36:46):
sports and media in general. I mean, I think that
not to blame one entity, but again there is in sports,
there's something called the Worldwide Leader uh ESPN, and there's
not a lot of interest in these type discussions on ESPN.

(01:37:08):
And and and I don't blame any individuals there at ESPN,
having worked there twice. They they ESPN so massive. They
have special interest groups within ESPN that have an amplified
voice within ESPN, and they have they're basically the thought police.

(01:37:30):
They they get to decide what is appropriate and inappropriate conversation.
They gather up voice their opinions to the executives, and
then it just becomes it's not worth it. It's not
worth it to have these conversations because someone is going
to second guess and say, oh, that's racist or all
that's some kind of phobic and so let's just stay

(01:37:53):
in a lane where that group of loud, boisterous special
interest people will approve of what's being said for the
most part on our network. And right now it's just
illegal to have an honest conversation about race. Uh, you know,
we don't even people that have different philosophies as it

(01:38:17):
relates to race, or just even about society. They don't
engage with each other or they don't. Years ago, all
three news networks used to ask me to come on MSNBC, CNN,
Fox News, all three, well, hey, what can you come on?
Can you come on? Come on? And then with the

(01:38:40):
rise of social media and the imposition of this thought police,
only Fox News basically asked me to ever come on
the other network CNN maybe once a year, once every
other year, might ask me. Nobody in MSNBC has my
telephone number or is allowed to call me or something,

(01:39:02):
And it's because only people they agree with or who
will stay keep the conversation in a safe place for them,
is allowed on their network. And there's that same thing
going on again. I don't blame any individuals. I think
Jimmy Portarles done a nice job replacing John Skipper and

(01:39:22):
trying to take ESP in a different direction. But there's
only so far you can take it. When you live
in fear of social media, when you live in fear
of special interest groups, and so it's just very hard
to have honest, common sense conversation because everything is so

(01:39:43):
rigged towards everybody just saying conservatives are evil, and uh,
the NFL is racist, and Colin Kaepernick is Muhammad Ali
even though he doesn't talk. Uh, and Lebron James is
the smartest person in the history of sports, even though

(01:40:04):
he struggles to get a sentence off this grammatically correct. Uh,
it's the whole conversation is just rigged. I think that
speaks to what we're trying to do with OutKick. I
believe that the marketplace of ideas is important, that we
should have real debate, real discussion, and that the First
Amendment should be alive. And well, how important is it,

(01:40:26):
foresight like OutKick to exist at the nexus of sports
and culture. Well, I think it's critical. Uh just want
people need to feel like they have a voice and
are being heard and their views are being represented in
a larger way. And so just providing people that glimmer

(01:40:50):
of hope, because I gotta honestly say, there have been
moments during all this craziness where I've literally sat down
and said, am I the crazy easy person here? And
I'm looking at all these numbers and statistics the wrong way,
and maybe the police killing nine unarmed black men in

(01:41:13):
a year, maybe it is an epidemic, and maybe I'm
just wrong and have missed the boat, and so I
could imagine and keep it. I try to stay abreast
of these issues. I had a cousin killed by the
police in any office in two thousand twelve. I'm not wrong,
they're wrong. And if I'm feeling like where they've gotten

(01:41:36):
me to the point where I'm questioning myself. I'm sure
there are other Americans and other sports fans that have
had these same questions regularly. Well damn, can everybody be
right and I'm just wrong? Or can can? Can? Can
all these people be wrong? And I'm right? And yes
are wrong? And out Kid is going to be a

(01:41:59):
voice trying to say no, No, You're not the crazy person.
They're the crazy people. And for American to survive and
for America to be what it's intended to be, you
need a voice like out Kick one. It provides confidence
and just material because so much of the conversation and
so one sided. A lot of people don't have access

(01:42:22):
to opposing information because it's been pushed out of the mainstream. UH,
common sense and fairness and objectivity have all been pushed
out of the mainstream, and so you know, not to
give a commercial for us, but it is a commercial
like we are vitally important to a robust conversation in

(01:42:46):
America and just giving people the energy and the confidence
to participate in this robust conversation and participate and and
just not give up and roll over because you know,
I look across and again I wrote a column this
week about the NFL just swallowing the entire Black Lives
Matter movement. You know, they're flying flags and they're talking

(01:43:09):
in the NFL, talking about putting names of police shooting
victims on the back of jerseys. They're gonna play two
different national anthems. They're talking about week one. That's crazy,
Clay that that that that's that's crazy. What do you think? Well,
I mean, I I don't know. I mean, full confession,
I bet the majority of the audience out there doesn't

(01:43:30):
as well. I didn't know, uh and and have any
clue there was a black national anthem. I mean I
knew there was a national anthem. I didn't know that
there may be a Hispanic national anthem. I don't know
there may be a Asian there's not a black national anthem.
That's just kind of a nickname for lift Every Voice
and Sing. All right, So, uh so what happens if

(01:43:54):
they play Lift Every Voice and Seeing and the Star
Spangled Banner back to does everybody kneel for both? Do
they kneel for one and not the other? Like, what
in the world's gonna happen for the start of an
NFL game? I have no idea, but I was just
say this. If everybody's standing for a lift Every Voice

(01:44:15):
and Sing and then immediately everybody goes to their knee
for the star spang O'Bannon, that will be the worst
thing to happen to the NFL in the history of
the NFL. That will be You'll you will be You'll
probably be able to hear the sounds of people picking
up their remotes and turning off their TV in Unison,

(01:44:35):
all over the country. Uh, we've had a lot of
I remember Florio tweet when they held the draft in
April or whenever. It was like, this is the worst
thing the NFL has done since uh playing football and JFK.
And you know, I was like, shut up, Florio, idiot.
But if they play these two national anthems and people

(01:44:59):
stand for one on taking knee for the other. That
will be the worst thing that happened to the NFL
and the worst thing we've ever seen happen to a
popular sport in the history of America. I think it
would be one of those critical moments where football will
never be the same again. It will have dramatically changed
the course of football. And this is where I asked

(01:45:20):
my black friend and particularly guys that I played football
within college. It's like, y'all need to think about this man.
That that the NFL African American players making millions of dollars,
I said, I think the real biggots aren't happy about

(01:45:40):
that and are doing things to make sure that gets
torn down. And so maybe the liberals convincing you that
the NFL is the worst thing on the planet, and
the people driving all this Kaepernick animals, maybe they're trying
to destroy the NFL because the NFL has actually been

(01:46:03):
a force of good for black men. Perhaps you should
look at it that way. Maybe Jerry Jones isn't our enemy,
Maybe he's our ally and that's why he's being attacked.
Lots to think about. Final segment of the Monday show
up next with Jason Whitlock. Go read his column today.
Think at Whitlock. Jason. When we come back, I'll ask

(01:46:25):
him about in an NBA jersey, names and what the
NBA start of the season is going to look like.
This is Outkicked the coverage with Clate Travis. This has
been a fascinating show and I would encourage you guys,
you're just getting in your car, you're just starting off

(01:46:46):
your morning. Make sure you go sign up for the
OutKick podcast so you can go listen to the entirety
of this conversation with Jason Whitlock. Go read his column
this morning to start off your Monday's bookmark Outkicks so
you're not missing any of his work. Um. NBA players
UH now going to have, according to reports, on the

(01:47:06):
back of their jerseys when the season begins, black lives matter.
They're gonna have options among them black lives Matter. I
can't breathe vote say their names, anti racist justice, Power
to the people. How many more equality? Peace, respect us

(01:47:28):
stand up? That is according to Mark Spears, UH and
those for people out there haven't heard this. That is,
instead of the name on the back of the jersey,
when you hear that. Your thought, Jason Whitlock, is what
that If you understand Cuba and Fidel Castro and the

(01:47:51):
use and the promotion of empty slogans and how they
offered the forth slogans instead of solutions and opportunities and freedom,
that's what's being instituted in the most as they call themselves,

(01:48:12):
the most progressive sports league in America. They're adopting the
tactics of Fidel Castro and Cuba. And if any of
you guys have any friends of Cuban descent, people that
escaped Cuba, uh came over on lifeboats to mymi and
things like that, what is being implemented in the n

(01:48:38):
b A and with this whole social justice movement thing
and this whole slogans and let's put slogans everywhere, that's
how they operate in Cuba. And it's just empty slogans.
It's gestures instead of anything real and tangible. And so

(01:49:01):
the working class man who has been laid off unemployed
during this pandemic, forty semi million Americans, you're being offered
slogans rather than a way to provide for yourself. That's
my problem with the NBA. That's my problem with the

(01:49:22):
bron James. These tactics actually help the elite and leave
the working class man or woman with a slogan to
fill their stomach, with a slogan to pay their rent,
a slogan to provide for their kids. It's a mistake,

(01:49:44):
it's a joke, it's a gesture. There also will be
black Lives matter written on the basketball court. One of
the things that I think is interesting about this, and
I understand it's just being played in Orlando right now,
but once you do that, can you take it off
the basketball court next year? I'm not sure. That's a

(01:50:07):
great question. And you know, to me, the second part
of this, to me is what it and I think
I wrote about this last week. Uh, this is all about.
This speaks to how unimportant the American market is to
the NBA, um to everything the NBA does. In my view,

(01:50:30):
I look at through the lens of how does it
help their relationship with China? How does it help Nike's
relationship with China. And that's the other thing that I
see here, And so I think you're right. I don't
expect I think these symbols, slogans, whatnot will carry over
into the next season. If not on the court, it'll

(01:50:51):
be somewhere on the back of the basket, or on
the backboard or somewhere. And it's all a little anti
Americans intimate that they're lacing into the NBA because that's
what communists run China prefers. It's a form of propaganda
against America. That has been the tradition of communist run

(01:51:15):
countries for more than a century. That's how they've always
smeared the West. We're racist. Meanwhile, they're the actual real racist.
They don't have a melting pot, they don't have their
diversity that we have and black people, Latino people, they
don't prosper in Russia, in China, any of these other places,

(01:51:39):
but smear America through American sports and through the NBA.
Great play in China. I think it's bad business here
in America. The WoT crowd will love it. They love slogans,
they love gestures. Those of you that love providing for
yourself with your families, good luck. What do you think

(01:52:00):
would happen if somebody tried to put free Hong Kong
on an NBA jersey? Were yeah? Or what about make
sneakers here not China? Or how about free to slaves
in Asia? How about just yeah that one. So if

(01:52:20):
you really want to be against slaver fy, you don't
have to go a hundred fifty years into American history.
It's still going on here and in the world, just
not in America. It is. It is utterly fascinating to
me because I think the last question for you, we've
gotta be fast here to finish off the program. I
think what all of this has in common is because

(01:52:42):
of social media, the average athlete doesn't understand who their
fans that's paying their salary is right. They think, oh,
it's a sixteen year old kid on Instagram who loves
what I'm putting out about America being an awful place.
The reality is, it's a guy who's buying a luxury
week and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a year

(01:53:03):
to support an NBA player salary because he loves basketball,
not because he necessarily cares about the politics of any
basketball player at all. And I think that disconnect between
who actually pays a salary versus who players think pays
the salary is potentially going to explode in the years ahead,
and not in a good way for the NBA Jason Whitlock.

(01:53:24):
Go read his column at Whitlock Jason uh and go
check him out at OutKick dot com. Sign up for
the v I P. We've had an incredible conversation. If
you're just getting in your car and you've only heard
a couple of minutes of it, make sure you go
download the podcast. Biggest and best month ever in June,
Jason Whitlock was a big part of that. I am
Clay Travis. Thanks for hanging out with us. This has

(01:53:44):
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