Infield Investigation

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Welcome in podcast listeners. Appreciate all of you downloading the podcast.
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for listening. We're diving into the return of Major League Baseball,
the Bubble Wallace incident in uh at NASCAR, and more.
All that plus which is dumber arguing that the Masters
needs to be repealed the name the Masters as in

(00:42):
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to Fox Sports Radio. I believe we finally have a

(01:27):
Major League Baseball plan, although I am utterly confused by
the whole way this process went down spring training tenaively,
I don't know that this is official. Official will start
July one with a sixty game regular season starting the
weekend of July through the That is the absolute latest.

(01:54):
That is what came down last night. As I gotta
be honest with you, I don't even know what baseball
has been doing for the last couple of months, other
than the owners have been killing time because they didn't
want to play more than sixty games, and so they've
been negotiating, maybe not really in very good faith over

(02:16):
the past two months, effectively, because if they wanted to
just play sixty games, and if the commissioner ultimately has
the ability to issue a ruling and say, hey guys,
we're gonna play sixty games, I don't know why this
took so infernally long to actually be in place. But

(02:38):
the end result now is that sports have come roaring
back and are officially right now all scheduled. If you
look out there, MLS July eight, I believe is the
return date. They are going to be the first American
team sport to be back in one of the major leagues.

(03:00):
Then we have Major League Baseball, which would tentatively start
around July. Then we have the NBA, which I believe
is scheduled to start on July, and I think hockey
if I haven't seen an official return date, but it's
around that same date as well, which means that all
the American pro team sports would basically be going by

(03:26):
the first week in August, and obviously some earlier than that,
which means we are now set up for a wild
sports calendar starting in July and running all the way
through theoretically the Super Bowl. Now all of this on
some level occurring under the auspices of what's going to

(03:50):
happen with the coronavirus and second straight day of really
good news from the coronavirus that most of you are
not going to get from any other media source. Somehow
I've become the most trustworthy name in coronavirus news because
the rest of the media is so unfairly biased and

(04:13):
dishonest when it comes to actually telling you what the
stories are. So I tweeted this out, but on Monday,
just two hundred and eighty five people died nationwide. That
is the second lowest total after Yesterday since March and

(04:35):
that is now two straight days of deaths, nine below
the peak that was set on April one. Yet most
in the media continue to embrace fear porn on top
of that. And again I want to ask you this,
just keep in mind how many people in the media

(04:55):
are actually going to share this data with you at
as opposed to sharing all of the fear porn out there.
I want to put into perspective as well. Two eight
five people dying of the coronavirus, and dying of is
probably not accurate because usually what it means is dying

(05:16):
with I e. There are almost always comorbidities when someone
dies of the coronavirus. There have been relatively few people
who have died only of the coronavirus. They have other
things people do when they are sick and they die. Uh.
Right now, there are an average of seventy five hundred

(05:38):
people who die every single day in the United States.
The coronavirus is less than four percent of all daily
deaths in the United States based on the numbers from
Sunday and Monday the past two days. I would just

(05:58):
ask you how many people are are actually sharing you
with you that data? All right, several of the things
we're gonna get into today. I'm gonna bring in the
crew here momentarily. Shannon Spake is gonna be with us
an hour or two to talk about the Bubba Wallace story.
Bubba Wallace came in, I believe in the Talladega race

(06:18):
that was a day late and took place on yesterday
afternoon evening, and I actually put it on for the
final ten minutes of the race, and it was an
unbelievable race he had. We had a situation where it
was almost impossible. I was watching it live. I couldn't
even tell who had won. Here is the final call

(06:39):
NASCAR from Talladega last night. Off four for the final time,
racing back to the checkered flag. Blaney out fronts, gotta
throw the block, he does, diving down to the inside.
Here comes Eric Jones, Here comes John Hunter, Damon check
their pressing at the line. It is Ryan Blaney by
seven one thovelsons of a second over Ricky sten House Jr.

(07:01):
Eric Elmarola, Denny Hamlin and Eric Jones who slides across
the start finish line sideways. What a finish here at
Talladega it was. It was impossible to even tell hardly
who wins. So that was the way it ended. And
uh And obviously much of the attention, almost all of
the attention surrounding this race has been about the news,

(07:24):
which we're gonna get into, uh with with Bubba Wallace.
We talked about that yesterday with Jason Whitlock by the
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But let's start with Major League Baseball because I believe

(07:48):
that is the biggest story since it now is officially back.
And Danny G, are you with me and kind of
sitting around now wondering what in the world have we
been waiting for all of this time? Yeah, it's really ridiculous.
I vented yesterday on Twitter, a lot of our listeners
were just as frustrated, and those that know a lot
about baseball kept telling me, well, it's just because they

(08:10):
were waiting. They wanted to play a shorter season. The
owners did well. I get all that, but I really
don't care. And it doesn't make it right that this
has just been a waiting game, because obviously Baseball, the
players and the owners both have missed a golden opportunity here,
as we've been saying for months. Yeah, and I think
it just makes the league look bad. If that's truly

(08:31):
the case that baseball owners only wanted to play sixty games,
why have they been going through the charade for effectively
the last five or six weeks, with all fans out
there going back and forth with negotiations, arguing with the players,
the players arguing with the owners. If Rob Manford had
the power to just unilaterally and now it's okay, we're

(08:53):
playing sixty games and we're starting on July. I'm excited
by the way Lock it In will now be back.
I'm guessing we'll probably be back around the twenty one
or the twenty second after a very very long hiatus,
And I'm excited for American team sports to be back
in general, but the way that the baseball process has

(09:16):
played out, to me is just a real indictment. And also, look,
I mean, baseball blew it. They could have been playing
for all of June. They could have been playing for
all the July. I think they could have helped to
find a new generation of fans because there haven't been
very many sports that have actually been taking place. Instead, they,
I believe, blew it by sitting out, and they're gonna

(09:38):
start back what a week before the NBA, a couple
of weeks after the MLS, and maybe ten or fourteen
days before the NHL comes back, and they're not going
to have that long of a window where they're even
playing before. In theory, college football in the NFL are
and I talked about this some yester today, but I

(10:00):
want to mention it as well. In the college football front.
There's a lot of different people out there panicking every
time a couple of college kids test positive as college
football players. The reason why college football players are testing
positive is because they're going out two bars and uh
and and parties, chasing girls on campus. They're not getting

(10:21):
sick playing their sport. They're getting sick, which is gonna
happen for a lot of college kids because they've been
cooped up for months. And then they get back on campus.
And if you remember what being eighteen, nineteen, or twenty
years old was like, one of the first things you're
gonna do when you get back on campus is figure
out where the girls are if you're a guy, and

(10:41):
go chase him. And by the way, the same thing
is true of girls. But the guys are the ones
right now that are trying to get back in shape
and be ready for college football season. And so there's
a lot of people panicked about the number of players
that are testing positive. What I would point out is
these kids are asymptomatic. There were likely to die of
the flu or pneumonia by all statistical analysis. They're more

(11:05):
likely to die in traffic accidents driving to the campuses.
And they know this, and so we've got to stop
the fear porn out there about these guys actually being
under substantial, substantial risk. What I would say, and I'm
gonna keep beating this drama, is if you are a

(11:26):
college age kid, you could be a high school kid,
you could be a college age kid. If you're you
know or under and you want to go out because
bars and restaurants and clubs are starting to open back
up across the country, just stay away from your elderly relatives.
You're not gonna know whether you are symptomatic or not.

(11:48):
A lot of you are going to test positive and
feel a fine. Don't go hang out with your grandma
and your grandpa. If you are going out to bars
and restaurants on a regular asis right now, wait till
the end of the summer. Quarantine yourself a little bit
before you go back around your elderly relatives, because those

(12:10):
are the people who are actually at risk. Dub July,
does it make any sense what we went through with baseball?
Not at all. If ultimately the commissioner has the power
to just say we're starting this day and we're gonna
play this number of games, I would have been happier,
and I think a lot of people would have if
they would have come out a month ago and say, hey,

(12:30):
this is what we're gonna do, so just deal with it,
and we could have stopped all the arguing and and
the theoretical talks about you know, how many games? When
will it start? Um? This is not. I don't think
this is gonna end very well for Major League Baseball
this season. They're going up against the NBA head to head,
and they're gonna be going up against college football in
the NFL head to head in the second half of
their sixty game season. I'm probably not gonna watch. I

(12:53):
might watch the World Series if that, but with NBA
going on, I'm a bigger NBA fan than MLB, in
certainly with college football in the NFL, I'm not so
sure I'm gonna have time for Major League Baseball this summer.
Slash fall. Yes, sixty games I think is exciting because
think about you're you're basically knocking a hundred games off

(13:14):
the season. So whoever you're a fan of your team
could have a good sixty game window and find themselves
in the running for the postseason. But I feel like
that's balanced out in many ways by a lot of
anger surrounding the way this process played out. I mean, Eddie,
you've been doing updates for months now about Major League Baseball.

(13:36):
Do you feel like that was all for not if
Rob Manfred was just going to come out and announced that,
uh that, hey, things are things are starting on July.
I have the power to unilaterally return the season. It
just it doesn't make sense to me. The way it
all played out. It certainly seemed like a colossal waste
of time and energy, the back and forth that obviously

(13:58):
resulted in nothing. And look, guys like Roberto are our
board up. He's a hardcore baseball fan. He's gonna watch baseball,
and I get that. Guys like me who are marginal
baseball fans who would have embraced it had they come
back a couple of months ago or whatever to get,
you know, with with nothing else, no other options, I
would have absolutely been on board. And now frankly just

(14:20):
not spite I have no interest in baseball at all
going forward, So good luck to them. When is the
NHL come back? Have they officially announced a day yet
or what's the expectation. I know you're a huge hockey guy. Yeah,
there's no official date yet, but they are looking at
training camps in July and probably early August, late July

(14:40):
from the start of the season. Got you what, Roberto,
You're the biggest baseball fan, right up there with Danny
g probably on the show. What's your overall reaction to
Major League baseball officially being back. Well, I'm happy, but
you know, I blame the owners more than the players.
I sat up from the beginning. They're never going to
go more in sixty games. They also tried to go

(15:01):
back on their March agreement by telling the players that
weren't going to play pay them the pro rated salaries.
And now they're gonna Now they're gonna pay them the
prore to salaries for sixty games. And this is why
the players are gonna file, are gonna file the agreements,
and then I will say the owners never and then
they're going to say the owners never negotiated in good
faith and then but and one way, it's gonna be

(15:22):
interesting because it's only gonna be sixty games. Well, every
game is gonna matter. Yeah, that's the positive I think
if you're a baseball fan, is that sixty games season
really truly anything can happen. And the sixty game season
is much more of a value to the to the
bad teams, and it is the good teams. The better
the team you have, the more games you want to play,

(15:43):
because there's less statistical aberrations in a hundred and sixty
two then there might be in sixty, so we'll see
what ends up happening. I think somebody pointed out last year,
and I am I corrected this, that the the Washington
Nationals started off their season just an absolute disas master
and they were like at least games under right, and

(16:06):
then they got white hot as the season progressed. But
you won't have that opportunity now, UH to to kind
of get your sea legs and figure out what kind
of team you've got. You're basically in a sprint, which
we don't see very often in Major League Baseball. So
the positive I guess if you're a baseball fan is
effectively every game is worth nearly three uh. If you

(16:28):
think about it in the context of sixty verses one sixty,
it's like you're playing every game is worth two point
eight regular season games in UH in a normal year.
So that'll be intriguing to watch. All right. When we
come back, I'll open up the phone lines eight seven, seven, six,
three six nine, allow everybody to to weigh in. I
want to talk about the Bubble Wallace situation and the

(16:51):
way things shook out down in Talladega. We will dive
into that story, give you the latest. Also, Brett Farve
has lost his mom mind somehow. He has compared Colin
Kaepernick to Pat Tillman and said Kaepernick's heroism is similar
to Pat Tillman's heroism to one of the domin dumbest

(17:12):
comments I have ever seen a pro athlete make, and that,
my friends, is saying something and speaking of stupidity, dead
Spin is arguing the Masters should have to change its
name because it's racist. There are so many dumb people
in this world. I gotta knock him out one at
a time. This is outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis.

(17:43):
We played the audio of the end of the NASCAR race,
but the NASCAR race overshadowed, even as exciting as it was,
by the Bubba Wallace story um surrounding the alleged news
that was found in his garage in in uh in
touch close. I was gonna stay in Talladega. So several

(18:04):
questions that I think are interesting and at play here.
And I said this yesterday and reiterated again. They need
to figure out who did this and give them a
life suspension as well as potentially bring criminal charges if
it's true. But also this seems like it's dragging on

(18:28):
for a while already now, and what I mean by
that is most crimes you solve within forty eight hours.
I would think that there have to be cameras somewhere
near these garages, and also that the number of people
that could have access to this garage given them we're
in the middle of a virus which is changing the

(18:51):
way that access is permitted, that it would have to
be very few people involved here. I also think it's
strange that NASCAR hasn't released a picture of what exactly
was left in Bubba Wallace's garage. There are a lot
of questions to be answered here from NASCAR, and I

(19:12):
thought the way that NASCAR rallied around Bubba Wallace was great.
But when I hear the story that came out late
on Sunday, my thought is you need to figure out
who did this and punish them. And I want to react.
I always tell you guys, I care about the facts,
the facts and the facts, and so far we have

(19:35):
not been told very much. And again I just come
back to this does not seem like the world's most
complicated crime to solve. Why have we not gotten more
information than we have so far? Let's uh, let's kind
of break this down, Danny G. Does it seem strange
to you that they wouldn't have already caught the perpetrator

(19:57):
here and or not given us more information since they
appears almost immediately went public with this as soon as
it happened. We're coming up on thirty six or so
hours since that initial report and we still don't know
anything more than we did then. This doesn't seem like

(20:18):
the world's most complicated crime to be investigating. Yeah, it's
gonna be an interesting conversation with Shannon Spake next hour.
She's gonna have some answers for us. There's been some
conflicting reports online about how many cameras might have been
around because with the new protocol. There was one story

(20:38):
saying that there's less cameras in place. It's it's the
FBI's job now. They were on the scene pretty quickly,
and they were there yesterday, so they are in the
middle of their investigation. I know. The president of NASCAR
said that he wants it wrapped up soon, and the
reason he said he didn't release the picture was because
he's following the FBI's directions on this. Now it's there,

(21:00):
why would you and and here I mean I'm kind
of fascinated by this in the first place too. Why
would you announce the news before you've caught the person
who did the crime. Yeah, I don't know. I mean,
obviously there's been a segment on Twitter, especially, which can
obviously always skew towards negative saying, oh, he's the next
Jesse Smoley as Chappelle would say, and so juicy Juicy Smoley,

(21:24):
as Dave Chappelle would say. So, I mean the boy
that cried. We've we've gone through this obviously with a
couple of different athletes, and so there's gonna be that
part of the population that says, oh, maybe he and
his crew had something to do with it because he
wants to be a martyr. That just doesn't fit who
Bubba Wallace is. But I'm with you, I want to

(21:45):
see what the FBI says here with everything. This is
the problem with and this is why the Jesse Smolletts
of the world are such cancers in society, because when
you fake something ye like this, then you natch really
creates skepticism among others the next time it happens. And

(22:05):
it is a boy who cries wolf situations. So if
you care about issues of racial injustice. You should be furious.
You should want people like Jesse Smollett prosecuted to the
fullest extent of the law because what they do is
detract from real racism. And by the way, you can
also say the same in the world of sports about

(22:26):
Michael Bennett. Remember how quickly that Michael Bennett Las Vegas
story disappeared as soon as they released all the videos
from the Las Vegas casino. After Michael Bennett said told
his story, and then the details came out and it
effectively became clear that Michael Bennett was a liar. The
media just stopped covering the story. For those of you

(22:47):
out there who forgotten, Michael Bennett said, Oh, I was
racially profiled at a Vegas casino. He wrote this huge story,
He got all this attention, It was the lead story
surrounding the NFL. And then they released the video from
Las Vegas to the police did like I think a
hundred and twenty different cameras and none of them confirmed
what Michael Bennett had told us happened. And uh and honestly,

(23:11):
the Lebron James racist graffiti incident got a ton of attention.
We talked about this on the show, people got upset
at me. Remember we called the l A p D.
The l A p D investigated and effectively they shut
down that case and said, hey, we didn't find any
evidence of any crime that was committed. And all of

(23:32):
that was super suspicious the way that that went down.
And so stories like those in the world of sports
and beyond lead people to not necessarily believe what is said.
And so to me, it's now incumbent upon NASCAR, which
I thought the NASCAR drivers and staff and crew and

(23:54):
Bubba Wallace himself all handled this really, really well, But
it's now incumbent upon that scar I believe to catch
the perpetrator and or tell us what exactly happened here, uh,
and sooner rather than later. And if this story just
kind of fades or disappears without any result, it's gonna

(24:14):
seem super strange to a lot of people out there
because of all the attention that immediately has been foisted
upon it. Does this are you with us, like, let's
just kind of go around the horn. So Danny G
got your opinion, dub what are your thoughts on this?
The end result, obviously in the way that people reacted
is very positive, but I want to see the full

(24:36):
story here. I want to know what happened as opposed
to UH, as opposed to just all of the UH
all of the allegation that's out there. What are the
actual facts here? Yeah, I agree the UH the pre
race show of unity was pretty awesome to see, But
now that the FBI is involved, I'm expecting to see

(24:58):
some sort of evidence, some sort of you know, conclusion
to this to figure out who did this. I would
think that with all the coronavirus stuff going on, and
and just the value of those cars and everything that's
in those garages, that there's got to be at least
one security camera in each of those garages. So I'm
expecting a fairly quick resolution to this now that the

(25:20):
FBI is involved. So I mean, if we're still sitting
here a week from now with nothing, uh, you know,
nothing could come about this, then I'm gonna be kind
of scratching my head saying, what's the deal here? We
have the FBI involved, NASCAR's obviously heavy, heavily involved. I'm
expecting to have some sort of resolution or path to
resolution by at least a week from now, I would think. Yeah,

(25:41):
and I think your point is well said about these
cars like they're they're they're they're like fine two two machines, right,
So the last thing you want is people without UH,
people having access to the cars who are potentially not
involved in NASCAR events, especially right now with the coronavirus
going on. So I would think there's got to be

(26:03):
I don't know, less than a couple of hundred people
at most who could possibly be suspects in in this
incident at all, and so uh and and that might
be high you know, we when you find out what
time the news was allegedly put there, that also narrows
down the field of vision for who could be responsible

(26:23):
for it. So I want to know. I want to
know the full details here and what exactly happened, Eddie.
You've done updates on a lot of these stories over
the years. Um with the FBI now involved in theoretically
other law enforcement officials down in Alabama, doesn't this seem
like one of the easiest crimes in theory possible to investigate,

(26:45):
uh and figure out exactly what happened. Well, I will
say up front, I have never been to a NASCAR event,
so I don't know exactly what you know the layout
is like. But I've been to plenty of stadiums and
arenas and I assume it's it's something similar to where
there's there's cameras everywhere. I mean, you can't just walk
into a place like that and not have somebody or

(27:07):
something like a camera catch an image of you. So again,
I'm no investigator, but I would agree with everyone what
everyone said here is in that I would think that
this would be something that could be taken care of
and figured out in a fairly short amount of time.
So as time goes on, it will be interesting to
see how this goes. And I don't think it's unreasonable

(27:27):
to to think that it's possible that there's something going
on here. Now, I don't think that's the case. I
hope it's not the case, but I am I mean,
I'm glad I work in a place where you can
at least bring this up in a intelligent, intelligent manner
and I just have a discussion about it. Well, I
think you just have to be uh for people out
there listening, Like I am skeptical in general, right, I

(27:49):
am just if if you tell me, and this is
maybe the legal training and also from having done investigations
for internally for companies I used to do sexual harassment investigations.
I am skeptical in general of every story that I hear.
It doesn't mean I don't believe people. It's just that
I want to see what the actual facts are. And

(28:12):
everybody has a different story, and so people get mad
when you don't immediately jump in and say, oh my god,
you know, like this is this is the worst thing
that's ever happened in the history of mankind, Like that's
what a lot of people in sports media said about
Michael Bennett, and that's what a lot of people said
online about Justse Smollett, and that's what a lot of

(28:32):
people said about Lebron James. And yet if you actually
looked at the facts for every one of those cases,
the facts didn't support anything that was initially reported. And
so I am always interested in how many people lock
stock and barrel except what is told to them from
the media. I mean, look, I started off the show saying, hey,

(28:56):
coronavirus deaths are down, n those are the fact acts,
and almost no one in the media is reporting that.
I might be the only person with the national platform
in sports who came on Monday and Tuesday and told
you that coronavirus deaths are down. I'm skeptical of putting

(29:16):
the television on because I think a lot of time
we get news that isn't accurate, and so I think
you have to be skeptical of what you are told.
Trust to, but verify, and so to me, we talked
about it yesterday Monday. Okay, let's get the facts out.
Now the race is over. There have been over twenty

(29:37):
four hours to find someone who's responsible for this. We're
now moving on thirty six. I'm not an expert in
police investigations, but I believe the first forty eight is
when almost every case is discovered. Right like you, if
if if there's a murder and you don't have a
suspect in the first forty eight hours, you're in trouble

(29:59):
in terms of being able to actually figure out what happened.
And so I want to know the full story here.
We have an allegation, we have the FBI, we have
a lot of authorities involved. I want whoever did this,
if they did this, to be brought to justice. But
I also want NASCAR to explain to us what exactly

(30:19):
happened and what this process. Is Roberto fair or foul
to be asking those questions. No, yeah, I mean the
first thing I though, obviously was how terrible this was.
And the second thought I had was The second that
I had though was that, you know, they should get
to the bottom of this very coolly. Considering this, I've
been inside, you know, the team garage, and that should

(30:40):
be beeny plenty cameras involved everywhere. Now I'm I'm thinking,
I don't know, what is it like some kind of
somebody on the inside that did this, or you know,
what's going on now? It seems like it's taken too long.
It doesn't seem like and I could even understand, Okay,
the race is going on yesterday, and maybe you don't
want to parachute in and be involved in a criminal

(31:01):
investigation and and detract from the race itself. But to me,
today is the day that I'm expecting for there to
be some form of resolution, and I want NASCAR to
be forthright and release all the evidence that they have
in all the details. We'll open up your phones about
this eight seven, seven, six three six nine. Maybe people

(31:21):
out there who are more knowledgeable than we are, we're
gonna have Shannon spake on an Hour too, who works
with NASCAR. She's been on, uh, the infield of a
ton of these events, so she will help, I believe
kind of put this into context for us because I
want whoever did this, uh in the event they did it,
to be caught, and I want this full story to
be out sooner rather than later. And I understand that

(31:43):
there's pressure on investigations. You want to make sure you
dodge your eyes and cross your teas and get everything correct.
But this is not the crime of the century. It's
not insanely difficult to figure out in theory what happened
that this should be able to be resolved. This is
out Hick that coverage with Plates rapping. Appreciate all of

(32:12):
you hanging out with us. You said you got a
couple of good calls out there. Yeah, I wish here
to do. Let's start things off with Tracy and Arkansas. Tracy,
what you got for me? Mr Clay That Conversearch crutch
off on y'all sports stations Allan allan it to YouTube. Also, Okay, buddy,
appreciate I I like the gamble. Hey, anyway, this NASCAR,
you know I've been following NASCAR. I just turned sixty

(32:32):
four and I've been following nascars is started. Martin was
my driver, and you know the saying he's going on
right now. I just think it's got to be somebody
with the pit crew. I really do. Um. You know,
they took and took all his and all the guys
got run his car and pushed up for one thing
after another. And I just believe that they're gonna find
out that's what's gonna happen, because what happened, I take

(32:54):
somebody's out to revenge for revenge, and you know, they
took all the flags out and written shield some NASCAR,
and I just think there's gonna be some big thing
happened that you're going to hear is somebody in in
his own people had something to do with that. You
think you think a member of his own crew. I
think you're gonna I think you will be well surprised

(33:16):
what's happened. So here's the thing. Yeah, let me just
started to cut you off, and let me let me
say this, whoever did this, if they did it, is
one of the dumbest people on the face of the earth.
Because there are not very many suspects and you are
if you are deciding to do this, ending your career

(33:40):
in NASCAR, your ability to earn a living for the
rest of your life working and racing anywhere, because I
believe you will get a lifetime ban, and I think
that's a fair punishment, But also you will be charged
with a crime and I think punished to the full
extent of the law. So not only are you losing
your life holihood forever in the world of racing, but

(34:04):
also you likely would go to jail and your name
would be tarred and feathered for the rest of your life.
It just seems to me to be one of the
dumbest things. I'm not disputing that racism exists, but even
for a racist, which is a dumb thing to believe in,
to be judging somebody based on the color of their skin,

(34:26):
even for a racist, this seems insanely dumb. Are you
Are you with me there? I like, it's almost impossible
to get away with if you're doing it. Yeah, I
just think that. I think whoever they find out, you know,
I went from him that the senior junior because drivers
knt uck me and now I'm a Hardrik fan. But
it's just I don't know, man, It's just one of

(34:46):
those things people do, some hateful stuff and me being
a driver all along with all the parts I hear
a lot of I talked to a lot of people
and all these guys and I'm talking to drivers and stuff.
They're with me on this because whoever did this, I
hope and you're a law You're I'm already talking. I've
got this on Tennessee's the lawyer. I just hope they
stick it straight. You know what I'm talking about, and

(35:08):
he never gets out of trouble, uh, you know, Joe whatever,
because this is something right here in some of the
Naskar stuff. You can kill people because dude, they're driving
over a hundred seventy five hun nine mile and you
just don't go out and mess with somebody's car because
you're my fan. When you screw them up, thank you
for the call. And that's why I think there has

(35:29):
to be security cameras around these cars, because, yes, dropping
a noose, if it happened is is an egregious act
that deserves significant punishment. But whoever theoretically would have dropped
this noose would have also been able to do something
to the car. And that's dangerous, uh, life wise, much

(35:52):
more so when you're talking about the speed and how
these cars handle. The idea that you would have anybody
with with with ill motives having access to a car
is should be scary for any driver who's up next,
dub We got LUPO in San Francisco. Lupo, What you got,

(36:14):
Big Clay? This LOOPO in San Francisco. First, I just
want to say thank you for I feel like you're
really the only voice that represents um, someone like me
who's just a middle cuss And here on conquered California,
about twenty five miles east of San Francisco, and I
feel like I'm on an island because going and is

(36:37):
able to tell the truth about things anymore, and you do,
and I just want to tell you about it. You've
got Ball's biggest church bills for doing that, because I
see people dropping all the time just by telling the truth,
and they're going down. They're doing nothing wrong there, talent,
truths are going down Regarding this news stink stinks to
high heaven. Why no picture of it at least no

(36:58):
little video clip nothing. They know exactly who's done this,
if it happened at all. There are cameras all over,
like you said, there are million dollar machines right, million
dollar operations. You're telling me that they're gonna let someone
go in there dropping news. They know exactly who this
person is if it happened at all. Like you said.

(37:20):
The other thing too, is that whoever informed the media
or whoever is not a friend of the driver, because
think about it, you're on his career or whatever. Right
you go in there, you find the news a couple
of days before a race, Are you really going to
break that out and take the risk of disturbing your driver?

(37:43):
But you know, like the other guy said, you're racing
out there. What if it's in his head? He ends
up crashing, costs and lives. Plus he's not going to perform,
you know, knowing that this happened. So if I'm in
his pit crew, I come in there's a news, I
don't say, I would kill after the race, and then
I tell him NASCAR about it. I want to know

(38:03):
what your thoughts are. Now. I'm not saying that did happen.
I'm just saying, as an educated person, this stinks. They
know exactly who did it. You're telling me that they
don't know who's roaming around in there. This stinks. Love
to know your thoughts and again keep it up. But
he please, you're the only voice we have out here.
Thanks for the call. Did we have to drop the carseworder?

(38:23):
Did that get out? Danny g We dumped it? Yeah,
so he said the word poop, except not the word poop. Um. So,
because I know people out there like, oh what God said? Uh?
He said, uh, he thinks it stinks with a different
word for for what might stink. So I do think
this is such an interesting question because you can be

(38:44):
as I think most listeners are, against the idea by
far of judging anybody based on the color of their skin.
I mean, it's lazy, it's boring, it's dumb, it's it's
just anti. It's the antithe antithetical to everything that the
United States of America should be standing for. And forgot

(39:07):
what year it was, that's been a long year. So
when you actually look at the data here though, the facts,
the facts are strange. NASCAR needs to get ahead of
this and tell us who is responsible, and I think
they need to do it today, like this case needs
to be solved today. When we come back Brett Farve
compares Colin Kaepernick to Pat Tilman. I swear he really

(39:31):
did one of the dumbest arguments I've seen. We're gonna
be joined by Shannon Spake of NASCAR in the second
segment as well to answer some of these questions about
everything surrounding Bubba Wallace. Be sure to catch live editions
about Kicked the coverage with Clay Travis week days at
six am Eastern, three am Pacific. If you're just waking
up with US. Major League Baseball in theory, at least

(39:54):
with a return date, nobody really knows, other than maybe
the owners were trying to avoid having to pay for
too many games. Maybe they were hoping to get a
sweetheart deal worked out. Regardless, Rob Manfred, the commissioner Major
League Baseball, has let us know that spring training will
be back on July first. Sixty game regular season will
start the weekend of July through the six This would

(40:18):
put baseball pretty much the same time returning as the NBA,
which is scheduled to return at the end of July.
Still working through the NHL details, but the MLS now
scheduled to come back on I believe it's July eight
so all of these stories UH from the Team sports

(40:39):
effectively roaring back as we get ready for the return.
We've got the Bubba Wallace UH ending at Talladego. We're
gonna talk with Shannon Spake try to get a little
bit more details from her about what the what the
investigation will now uncover. In NASCAR, been talking about the
importance of looking at the acts and trying to figure

(41:01):
out what happened there. To me, today is an important
day for NASCAR because if there was a crime committed,
then today should be the day for an arrest to occur.
In my opinion, you've had, by the end of today,
forty eight hours to investigate what is not the world's
most complicated crime. We're not talking about, uh A, an

(41:23):
embezzlement case. We're not talking about the most difficult murder
to investigate of all time. We've got an alleged racist
act that would be, I believe, a crime in the
state of Alabama. If you can find the perpetrator, and
if there is a perpetrator, you should be able to
find them today, then this would be the day to

(41:47):
announce charges and give your evidence, particularly because the FBI
is now investigating alongside of the State of Alabama authorities.
There should be a way to solve this incident and
figure out exactly what happened going forward. Um. On top
of this, we gotta woke virus that is spreading like

(42:10):
crazy through all of sports media, and it's evidently eating
people's brains and making them say really dumb things, such
as what Brett Farve said about Colin Kaepernick. He compared him,
I can't believe this is real life to Pat Tillman
in terms of heroism. Really, if you're not familiar, Pat

(42:34):
Tillman is a former safety of the Arizona Cardinals who,
in the wake of nine eleven, decided to walk away
from his multimillion dollar NFL contract and uh sign up
to fight for his country in the military, and then
was killed while fighting for his country. So Pat Tilman

(42:55):
voluntarily gave up millions of dollars to go fight in
a war against America's enemies, and as a result, he
gave up his life. Colin Kaepernick did not do that,
but Brett Farve sees them as similar. I think we
have the audio of Brett Farve's brain now working. You know,

(43:16):
I can only think of Ronald Tuck. I have. Pat
Tilman's another guy who did something you know, similar, and
we regard him as a hero. So I assume the
hero status will will be stamped with with Kaepernick as well.
I'm gonna play that again because I think most of
your jaws also just dropped. Brett Farve just said the

(43:40):
only person he can think of that reminds him of
Colin Kaepernick is Pat Tillman, who joined the military and
died protecting our rights and gave up a multimillion dollar
contract to do so. Brett Farve one more time, analogizing
Colin ca Bernick to Pat Tillman. You know, I can

(44:02):
only think of frontal the stuff I have. Pat Tilman's
another guy who did something you know, similar, and we
regard him as a hero. So I assume the hero
status will will be stamped with chaper Nick as well.
Is this the dumbest thing that any athlete has said
so far? In I, I like my jaw literally dropped

(44:26):
when I heard that Brett Farve had said this. Maybe
it's all the concussions he said he's had hundreds. Maybe
he is already hit the senior moments, But this might
I believe legitimately, this is the dumbest thing an athlete
has said in Danny g dumbest thing an athlete has
said so far in Wow. Over the years, you and

(44:48):
I have disagreed over some of the Kaepernick stuff, but
I this surprised me because obviously Tilman died in it
was friendly fire, and this guy was trying to serve
his country, and they're just the two things aren't even
in the same ballpark. This guy gave his life up.
What about you, dub, Is this the dumbest thing that
any athlete has said in so far? Well, first of all,

(45:10):
the dumbest thing any athlete has said in twenty is
a very very high bar. Uh. There are a lot
of dumb comments. So I'm saying this is I'm not
trying to be hyper. Let's play that one more time,
because I think people are like, there's no way this.
This is what I say when I mean like this
is there is a woke virus. By the way, Colin Kaepernick,
in case you have forgotten, Colin kaepernick most famous sentence

(45:32):
of his career, I am not going to stand up
to show pride in a flag for a country that
oppresses black people and people of color. All Right, So
Colin Kaepernick made millions of dollars more by protesting than
he would have if he had been playing. Pat Tillman
actually served the United States and died. And this is

(45:53):
what Brett Farves said. You know, I can only think
of frontal stuff I have. Pat Tillman's another guy who
did something you know was similar, and we regard him
as a hero. So I assume the hero status will
will be stamped with with chaper Nick as well. Who
did something similar? One guy left his multimillion dollar contract

(46:16):
and died serving his country. The other guy had his
contract expire and made millions of dollars denigrating the United
States flag of his own choice and has had absolutely
zero risk to his life. Who did something similar? Brett Farve,
does your brain still work? I mean, in all honestly,

(46:40):
people say, like, what what is it? I can't think
of a dumber thing that has been said by an
athlete this year, Eddie. You give a lot of updates,
some of those involved dumb things that an athlete has
said or done. Is this the dumbest thing you've seen
an athlete say so far? In well, uh, Brett Farve
may have trumped it by the tweet he sent out
saying he was not comparing the two. Uh, it sounded

(47:04):
like he was comparing the two. I mean literally when
you say there are like, let's play one more. So
Brett Farve is now he's now tried to step back
from this comment. And here's a tweet yesterday from Brett Farve,
including including Pat Tillman's name in an interview on Colin Kaepernick.
Was not a comparison of the two. I mean that
literally when you say the only person I can think

(47:27):
of who did something similar, When you say something is similar,
that is, by very definition, a comparison of the two. Clay,
do you think that maybe the question had something to
do with walking away from millions of dollars and that's
the only thing I could think of that would make
any sense for him to even say that that way.
I don't know. It's it's fair to say, like, what

(47:49):
was the question that led to that answer? But if
I say to you, hey, uh, you know, my two
sons look similar to each other, when you use the
word similar, you are directly comparing two things that that's
the entire purpose of the word similar. So I I

(48:11):
just I mean, Roberto dumbest thing that an athlete is
said in Uh, can you think of a dumber thing
that an athlete has so But in fairness of bread fire,
he's probably has CT already from that Minnesota Vikings game. Dude.
I mean, he did take a lot of blows to
the head. So you're just going ahead and saying this
is CT talking. I mean, I think there's probably people

(48:33):
out there listening who are thinking that same thing. Like
I mean, Frov has said I have had a ton
of concussions over the year. I think he's over the years.
I think he said hundreds or thousands. And I just
this is to me evidence of the woke virus that
is spreading across sports, because it eventually leads very quickly,

(48:55):
not even eventually very quickly, it leads to idiotic arguments
like dead Spin yesterday having up the Master's should change
its name. Uh. And evidently if that's the standard, then
everybody out there who gets a master's degree should not
be able to get a master's degree because that's a racist.

(49:17):
Everybody out there who has a master card should have
to pull their credit card out of their wallet and
immediately cut it up because it would be racist to
have a card that's a master of something else, like
the purpose of the masters is to a master, key, master, lock, master, bedroom.
All of these things reflect that it is the largest

(49:39):
and most significant, and also that you are a master,
that there is mastery of a difficult subject. You are
a chess grand master. That does not mean that you
are enslaving the chessboard, which is dumber, Brett Farve. Is
a good question, which is dumber Brett Farve comparing Pat's

(50:01):
I should put a pole question up for this, which
is dumber Brett Farve comparing Pat Tillman to UH to
Colin Kaepernick, or or the Masters needing to change its
name because it's a racist Danny g Which is the
dumber argument. Am I still on the air? Have I

(50:23):
have blown your mind? Are you? Are you? I'm sorry?
I was researching for you. I was looking up the
actual question so we could put it in content in
full context. Yeah. But in the meantime, which is dumber?
Oh man, I think this is gonna be close to fifty.
I think I've come up with where you know, it's
a good question when tens of thousands of people are

(50:44):
going to vote, and I think the number is gonna
be like I think it's gonna be like fifty eight
or fifty or fifty fifty. Like, I think it is
going to be so difficult to figure out which is dumber,
trying to change the name of the Masters or Brett
Farve comparing Colin Predict to Pat Tillman. Just because I
don't know the full context yet of far I'm going

(51:04):
to say Masters because I thought that that was an
Onion article. When I saw that, I really did that. Yeah,
I really did. I thought it was an Onion article. Uh,
what about you, dub which is dumber? Well, the two
subjects involved. Brett Farve, just off the top, was my
football hero growing up as a kid. He was my
favorite of all time. And the Masters so happens to

(51:25):
be the four my four favorite days of the year.
So this one, this question is a tough one for you.
Really like to get you in the Solar plexus, but
I think the Masters one has to take the cake here.
I mean, it is so absurd. I'd come with Danny G.
I was like this, this can't be real, is it.
It doesn't make any sense at all. This is such
a such a reach, it's almost I mean, it's unbelievable.

(51:46):
How big of a reach this is, And I'm with you.
I think your chess grand master comparison kind of hits
the nail on the head for many people out there. Well,
but the master's degree? I have a master's degree? Was
that racist of me to get? Should I apologized to
everyone for getting a master's degree? With about anybody out
there who got their NBA the Masters of Business Administration?

(52:07):
Should you apologize for forgetting that? It was an insanely
racist of you to decide that you want to become
an expert in business. I mean, this is just so
confoundingly dumb. It makes my brain hurt, alongside of Brett
Farve's quote, which also is insanely dumb, which is dumber Eddie. Well,
first of all, I'm very happy that I did not
get a master's degree, so I don't have to apologize

(52:28):
for them. Yeah, well, it's that's very You didn't do
it because you knew it would be racist. Actually, when
I thought of the masters in golf, I thought it
was talking about, like, you know, the masters of the
game of golf that I think the masters of the universe, right, Well, yeah,
it was the man. He man is done for I mean,
I remember that I have the powers. He man standing

(52:51):
there like white dude, white dude who thinks he's the
Master of the Universe or the movie The Beast Master,
and that's the racist too. Again, I haven't seen that one.
I'm gonna have to if I have to pick, I
think I'm gonna go with the Masters, just because, I mean,
they do have a history of the you know, they
didn't have a black member until what fairly recently. I mean,

(53:13):
I don't know. So you're saying the Masters is a
better argument or I mean, see, this is how I'm
gonna say. Far Farther is dumber. But between those two, yeah,
what about you, Roberto, which is dumber? I gotta go
with Eddie there just Brett Farves and sounds so stupid
when he says that guy guy gave up his you

(53:34):
give up his career and he ended up dying fighting
for this country. So I go a bred farther there.
I'm gonna put this up on the poll question right now.
I'm genuinely curious to see how this is gonna and
I'm gonna update you throughout the show because I think
a great question is one where there are tons of
you out there right now, and you're like, man, this

(53:55):
is really kind of a hard, hard decision to make.
I'm not sure which is dumber, which is more evidence
of the woke virus in sports changing the name of Masters,
or Brett Farve comparing Pat Tillman and Colin Kaepernick at
Clay Travis on Twitter. You can go find me there
and cast your vote. I can't wait to get to

(54:17):
the commercial break and put this thing up so we
can figure out which one is actually dumber. Up next,
we're gonna talk with Shannon Spake one of the biggest
stories in the world of sports, the Bubba Wallace Talladega
noose incident. What is the absolute latest? What did she
think of the conclusion of the race yesterday which was
spectacular and the way the race began. We will talk

(54:39):
about all of that with Shannon Spake, who's a regular
guest on this program. This is outkicked the coverage with
Clay Travis off for for the final time, racing back
to the checkered flag. Blaney out front, gotta throw the
block he does, diving down on the inside. Here comes
Eric Jones, Eric Up, John Hunter, Damon check their pressing

(55:02):
at the line. It is Ryan Blaney by seven one
travelsans of a second over Ricky Stenhouse Jr. Eric Elmarola,
Denny Hamlin, and Eric Jones, who slides across the start
finish line sideways. What a finish here at Talladega shanon' spake.

(55:22):
You're walking into a whirlwind here because I've got the
most difficult question that has been out there for a while.
All Right, I just put up the poll question. I'm
not going to tell you what the results are yet.
Which is the dumber woke statement from yesterday dead Spin
arguing the Master should have to change its name because
of racism, or Brett Farves saying Pat Tilman and Colin

(55:45):
Kaepernick are both heroes because quote they did something similar.
This is the poll question that is up nearly. You're
gonna go far. I have to, Yeah, I mean to
to compare with then I I understand, um, you know
the Coln Kaepernick stuff. I understand why he did it.
And you know, I'm on the football field. I get

(56:05):
you know, the point that he was trying to make,
and and and the attention he was trying to bring
to to to you know the fact that there's not justice,
but the fact that Pat Tillman walked away from everything
went over there. I know that he was killed by
friendly fire, but but gave his life to fight on
the front lines. I just, um, yeah, that's a hard
one not to kind of go up with. All Right,

(56:26):
So the public, I told you this was almost a
perfect question. So far in the commercial break, undred of
you voted. You can go vote at Clay Travis. It's
the top tweet that I just sent out. Fifty are
saying the Master's name change percent are saying far v

(56:46):
on Tillman and Cap. And here's the thing. When I
come up with a poll that I'm like, oh, this
is going to be basically fifty fifty, I know it's
a killer question, right because everybody's out there, like, on
the one hand, I'll make this argues, so fifty two
with what's going to eventually be tens of thousands of
people voting, this is going to be right up there

(57:07):
for a battle for the ages between Which is the
dumber comment that was made yesterday. All right, So there's
a lot of it everywhere. Alright, So let's go into
the actual race itself. Exhilarating end of the race there.
I was watching it live on television, as I imagine
a lot of my listeners were I couldn't even tell
who won, right, I mean I watched it and then

(57:28):
I was like, well, I gotta figure out the photo finish, uh.
And then we figure out how exactly close it was?
Seven one thousands of a second or something like that.
I think was the was the amount, how crazy and
wild was the race itself. That's as exhilarating of an
ending as you can get. Well, I mean, I told
you last week that Talladega is you know that that
race track is my favorite race track to go to. Um.

(57:53):
I told you last week, if you had one race
to watch every single year, Talladega would be the one
to watch because it's just so amazing. Uh. One of
my favorite things to do ever when I covered racing
with the stand on top of that haller and to
watch those cars go through the front stretch at full speed.
And and that's honestly one of the reasons why when
when all of this went down this weekend with Bubba Wallace, Uh,

(58:14):
you just I mean, it's so hard to defend a
place or something like this happened, and and that was
part of the story for me and UM I've been
listening all morning long, and I have some answers for
you guys. Um, go at first one. Um, I think
you kind of said, like cameras, right, So here's the deal,
Clay right, Okay, So yes, normally there are cameras in

(58:36):
that garage. Listen, there are a hundred and forty thousand
square feet of social engagement areas inside the garage stalls, right,
Fans can walk through there, they can see teams working
on the car. To guess, there are cameras. But because
of the current climate, these cars are literally coming off
the hallers. They aren't even going into the garage. They're

(58:57):
going straight to TECH and then they're going out to
the grid. So what NASCAR is said, they're not confirming
how many cameras are actually on in those garages right now,
but that they haven't reactivated or put those cameras back
because they they're not needed. The cars aren't going into
the garage, you're not working on the cars if they
fail TECH, and that's when they'll go into the garage.

(59:17):
But for no other reason, and obviously with the rain delay,
that's where they had to be parked. So as far
as cameras, I was shocked when I found I'm like,
there's cameras everywhere. But I reached out to a couple
of crew chiefs this morning and that was the answer
that I got, which makes sense to me, right, it
makes sense why they wouldn't have those on. Okay, so
that's the first you think. So sorry, I'm I'm gonna
ask a warrior like questions here because this is good information.

(59:39):
Do you think that everybody would have known that those
cameras were not on? And the reason why I asked
that is, I have no idea if I'm walking up
to somebody who has like a ring camera on their
front door, whether it's functional or not. But my assumption
is if I see a camera that it's working. Right,
So do you think the average person was aware that, hey,

(01:00:02):
all these cameras may not be working if you know
you were walking by one. I I don't know the
answer to that, right, I mean, um, I don't know
the answer to that. And again, Clay, I mean, there's
ways around these cameras right there, not necessarily, Like I mean,
there's these garages are huge, there's forty cars. They just
said that there's a hundred and forty thousand square feet

(01:00:24):
of social engagement area inside the garage area. So it's
not like you're you know, walking into this small little area.
I don't know the answer to that. Listen, there's a
limited amount of people. It's track right now, we know
that everything is is secure, right people people have to
get you know, their temperatures taken. It's only necessary personnel.
So there's all of that, right. And I did hear

(01:00:44):
you guys mentioned this morning about like, you know, I
know the size of a football stadium. Well, to kind
of give you a perspective, Calladegas two and seventy acres.
That's the endfield, two hundred and seventy acres compared to
like Bryant Denny Stadium, which is thirteen acres. I looked
this up this morning just to kind of sassify away
that you have that. So it's a massive, in filled venue. Yes,

(01:01:06):
huge right now. The garage area is definitely smaller. It's secure,
there's senses around them, but there are points right that
you get into the garage and they're not They don't
have security guards wrapped all the way around the senses.
So what happened was most crews, most teams, everyone got
released about four o'clock on Sunday. This is kind of
the timeline I'm I'm aware of because of the rain delay,

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and that's that's when the cars were pushed back into
the garage. I believe, based on the statements that we've heard,
this is when this article was found. It was found
by a crew member, Bubble Bubba, according to what I've heard,
did not see it. A crew member called NASCAR. Now,
why would they tell people because I did hear you
say this earlier? Why would they let people know before
they found it? Well, because it's going to get out, right,
and then it gets out and people find out that

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NASCAR didn't say that this was found in the garage,
that's gonna look even worse, right, Um, if NASCAR doesn't
release this because A they have to make sure Bubba
has extra security when that car was moved back into
the rage. They did check the car in the morning
to make sure it had not been campered with. They
had extra security for Bubba. Whoever, the crew guy that
found this. Obviously he's going to talk. The team needs

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to know. NASCAR officials got involved, so that's why they
they They openly kind of told everyone that this has happened.
NASCAR's pretty small area. People do talk. It would have
gotten out. I feel like it would have. Um, the
FBI is involved, so in terms of what they can
say and what they can't say, I mean, you know
this better than most, right, I mean you've got to
kind of be a little bit careful about what you

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say as the investigation is going on. Am I surprise
that there wasn't um some kind of answer yesterday? A little?
But I also thought maybe, like let's let the race happen,
and let's let's get get everything in a row and
then let's move forward. UM. I would expect that we're
definitely gonna hear something today. Something else. I wanted to
kind of mention, And it's about Bubba, right because I

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know all that social media stuff out there right now,
Clay people are kind of you know, they're they're insinuating
that he he or teams may have had something to
do with it. And I, I, like many people, I
definitely in a lot of situations have like you know,
skepticisms and and and all those types of things. So
I kind of thought about this in in a way
that that made sense to me. And here it is,
So Bubba's been in the sports since two thousand thirteen,

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right two thousand thirteen. He lost his ride in two
thousand seventeen and was able to fill in for Eric
Almeroola at Richard Petty Motorsports when Eric got hurt. That
is how he got this chance at Richard Petty Motorsports.
Bubba has fought to stay in this sport and until
the last few weeks he's actually avoided talking about race.
He didn't want to be known as the black NASCAR

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driver when George Floyd died, when he was murdered, that
is when Bubba, and at first Bubba didn't want to
talk about it, by the way, he didn't want to
be that face, right, and then something changed and something
awoke inside of him, and now he is. So I'm
my question is why when we're actually making progress in
this sport, like he has been the face of progress

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and and this act of just discussed, it's a setback.
So why would someone who's trying to make progress in
a sport, a sport that he loves. He's got the
support of everybody. I don't understand why people could even
look at him and think that he would be responsible
for this. Well, I think they said that NASCAR said
that he wasn't involved, right, that he wasn't there, He
didn't see it, so he did not that the idea

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that he would be involved I think would require a
pretty good leap at this point, because if he didn't
see it and he wasn't involved in turning it over
to NASCAR, you would have to argue that it would
take it. You'd have to take a big leap for
him to be involved. So so that is that is
something that is out there as a fact. Now, you
said that you expect to hear something today. What makes

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you think that you're going to hear something today? Is
that just based on your intuition or is it, like,
what what are you hearing that makes you feel like
today could be the day. I would think that they
would have to make some kind of statement. I'm not
saying that I think we're going to find out today
what happened, but I would think that there has to
be some kind of statement, because, like you, and like
and like everybody that's calling into your show this morning,
we we do want answers. We want to know how

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this happened, why this happened, and who did this? And
I would think that NASCAR would make some kind of statement,
even if it's as simple as like, hey, we're continuing
to move forward, we're still investigating, we're doing this, we're
doing that. UM not saying that we're going to get
something like you know, you know firm today. But I
do think that NASCAR will make some kind of statement.
How So you're this is good in focus. You've been

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in Talladega, you understand it. I'm obviously not that familiar
with it, but I look at all the stories like
these and look for the facts to try to tie
them together. Do we have any idea how many people?
So all these cars get pulled back because of the
rain delay and they're put into garages. Let me just
take a step back and ask this question. Does everybody

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have an individual garage with its own walls where like
you would walk in and they would be like, Okay,
this is Bubba Wallas's garage, this is Jimmy Johnson's garage,
right like where you could see the car parked in
there and you could like shut down your area or
is it one larger room? Like what do the garages
look like at Talladega? They are they are one large

(01:06:10):
building that basically cars park next to each other. They
have a stall entrance um with a door that closes
that stall, right, so each car can kind of pull in,
but it is open. Now, I haven't been to the
new Talladega garage, but I will tell you how every
other every other garage that I've ever seen, these cards
they literally work right next to each other. So if

(01:06:31):
you want to yeah, sorry, I'm just trying to visualize it.
If you were standing inside of a garage, you can
look into it. It's like a horse stall, correct, yes,
but without like the sides. There's no sides, right, I mean,
they just pull in. There's a garage that opens up,
a garage joy that opens up. You pull in, but
you could literally walk like if I wanted to walk
across from one car to the next, I could walk

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all the way down. Now, what I was told was
that the truck drivers, the holler drivers, they did bring
sort of they have like a crash car in case
they crash. If they can bring the car into the garage,
it's got all of your stuff on it. I was
told that they brought those into the garage dolls. So
that's how you know. And often and they are lined
up in the garage based on points. So it's also
the way that they parked their haulers is based on points.

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So yes, you do know that you would see the
crash card in there, you would see the forty three
Richard Petty Motorsports. You would know that it was Bubba
Wallace's garage. But the car did not actually go into
that garage until the race was called around three four
o'clock on Sunday. That's when the car was brought into
the garage. Would the driver drive the car into the garage? No, No,

(01:07:35):
the cars once it started raining, the cars on pit
road were covered up and left there and they cover
them up to keep them out of the rain, and
then the crew would push the car back to the garage.
So Bubba would have had nothing to do with that.
He was probably back at his holler, I should say,
so the crew pushes it back. So when you think
about it, and I know you we're not like, you're
not on the Bible here, but how many people do

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you think would have been able to have access to
a rage like this from four pm, let's say, when
they get the cars back into the garage, until later
that afternoon when it suddenly becomes a story, like, are
we talking a hundred people, two hundred, five hundred, Like
what kind of number would you think that they Because

(01:08:18):
the reason why I bring that up is in theory,
that is your suspect group. Right, if somebody did this,
then it's got to be we know somebody who has
access to these garages. How many people could have had
access to the garages kind of a question I'm asking, Yeah,
not many right now, I mean unless I mean listen,
and there's always speculation that someone could have snuck in, right,

(01:08:38):
There's that security could have been breached. We had obviously,
I don't know if you saw there was a plane
flying over with a banner that's a defund NASCAR with
the Confederate flag. There was apparently a couple of protests
outside the racetrack on Sunday about the Confederate flag being removed,
and so certainly, and I just mentioned two d sixty acres, right,
I mean, someone could have breached security. So I think

(01:09:00):
that's all that's um, I mean, all that is on
the table right now, and that's obviously why the FBI
is involved. Is much bigger than what NASCAR can do.
And uh, yeah, I listen, I mean all of us
want answers, right, Clay. I mean, this is a sport
that I've covered for two decades, and you know with NASCAR, listen,
this is not a sport that you just kind of
show up and you work sixteen weeks or twenty weeks

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and then you go and you have an off season.
We we spent forty weeks, forty weeks, four days a week,
which is why one of the reasons so many people
in the garage are taking this personally, because this is
not just an attack on Bubba Wallas. This is an
attack on every single person um that that that is
pushing for change in this sport. And and this is
I mean, you saw the drivers and you saw you've

(01:09:44):
seen me. The emotions are so raw and so real
from everyone in that garage, and it's, um it's a
very painful, painful thing that we've we've dealt with as
the community this past weekend. So I'm circling back around.
But again, but do you think it's hundreds? Like would
you think like, oh, it's you know, like if you
were uh okay, so yeah, so there's forty cars forty cars, right,

(01:10:06):
and then there's you know, they have fifteen essential personnel.
They also have some pit crew guys. So yeah, I
mean I would say upwards of a hundred total, right,
But I don't know what the protocol was in specific
terms with Talladega, in terms of how many people were
able to bring that car back. I mean, think about
if the cars were out on the grid during the
rain delay for extended period of time, teams were back
in their hallers, drivers were at their motor home. There

(01:10:28):
was a long period of time where those cars, those
garage dolls were open. I mean there's there's a there's
a there's a lot. There's a significant period of time
where someone could have done this. Right now, the amount
of people that are allowed quote unquote are certainly smaller.
There's no fans in the garage. Even though there were
fans in the stands, they're not allowed in the garage
right now. So the personnel is limited absolutely, which is

(01:10:51):
why I mean, as as we mentioned, I don't think it.
I mean, this should not be the issue. With the cameras,
I think is the biggest thing. Right, Normally, those cameras
would be on and operating because there are so many
people around, and I believe Bubba Wallace's mom was on
serious as past the weekend, maybe last night, and said
that she had heard that there was no video evidence

(01:11:13):
NASCAR did take a picture from what I've heard of
this um of this device's knew that they found inside
the garage UM and we have not seen that picture yet.
And I know that's one thing that one of your
one of your callers asked about. But I have been
told that there is a picture of it. Would it
be so to me? I take a step back, and
let's think about it. Obviously, you want to catch who

(01:11:34):
might have been responsible for this. If you can't catch
who was responsible for this, then the next step to
me is you need to have the people who discovered
this go talk to the public right and answer questions, because, uh,
there is going to be a lot of questions. And
if you're not going to be charging someone with a crime,

(01:11:55):
I think most people out there going to say, Okay,
well I want as much information about as possible. Does
that make sense to you? So if if as the
days go on like and yesterday, you can at least argue, hey,
the race is going on like it didn't really like
it would detract if you try to be do an arrest.
You know, ten minutes before everybody starts to the race
or whatever else. But to me, today and that's what

(01:12:17):
I started off the show by saying, today is an
integral day to trying to figure out what exactly happened
in terms of this situation. If you can't resolve it today,
then I think a lot of people start to say, Okay,
what actually is going on? Right? Like that's the response
that we're going to see. I agree with you one Clay.
I mean, we all want answers, right, I mean, I

(01:12:37):
agree with you one percent. I think every single person,
whether you're a NASCAR fan or not, want answers because
this is disgusting display that that that that yes, I mean,
and it's it can't just go away, right. We need
to find out what happened. I agree with you on um.
I you know from what I've heard that they question
people again because I do. I mean, listen, people talk, right,

(01:13:02):
and if this something happened in this garage or someone
was involved in this, I do believe it's going to
get out. I do not believe that this is going
to uh. This is certainly not going to go away.
It's not right, And I agree with you, we do
need answers. Can you come back? I can. Had a
couple more questions for you. We're talking to Shannon's fake
about this huge NASCAR story. We'll bring her back in

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This is outkicked the coverage with plates rabbits. All right, Shannon,
I got this a lot online. I bet you have
gotten it as well. Is it possible that this is
neither a intentional hoax nor a noose? That this could

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be a rope that potentially is used in uh in
the garages that just happened to be in the Bubba
Wallace vicinity, and people were particularly sensitive and nervous, and
so they believed that it might be a threat, when
in reality it could have just been a rope. In
other words, there's a lot of people out there who say,

(01:14:59):
I'm scared, tical I don't believe it. There's a lot
of people who say, I do believe it. Is it
possible It's somewhere in between those two things. I would
really my gut, My gut tells me because obviously this
is something that I thought of as well, because you
just like you go, I can't imagine so insanely but
right that someone's because if someone did it, it's racist,

(01:15:21):
but you're risking your car be banned for NASCAR from life,
and you would also probably go to jail all for
what exactly. Okay, So if there are lots of people
out there who are like, oh, this is clearly like
a racist act, this is unacceptable, and everybody would agree
if that's the case. I think almost entirely in my audience.
There are also people out there who say, you know,
I'm just naturally skeptical. And then is there a middle

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ground where it's an abundance of caution? And then you
look at it and you're like, I'm not sure what
might have been going on because there are pictures out
there that are circulating on the Internet of different ropes
and different things, and I'm sure there are lots of
different ropes involved. I'm not an expert. I know how
you fix cars and what you do, but I'm sure
there are ropes involved in that. Is it possible that

(01:16:05):
it's not criminal, that it was it was an abundance
of caution? Is there any possibility of that? Yeah? I
um again, Clay, I you know, my mind immediate when like,
I really hope that this is not true. I hope
it's a mistake. I hope it's something that was just
you know, in there. I would doubt Listen, I think
that they're capable of human beings that walked into that garage,

(01:16:27):
and I think that they know the difference between just
a rope hanging there and something that looks like a noose, right,
I think that they would be able to differentiate between
those two. Now. F Felts, who's the president of NASCAR,
was asked if this was the rope, because they actually
have ropes that that pulled the garage dolls down, you know,
like your garage, so it would hang on to the
outside of the clamp or whatever that you would pull down,

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and so there are ropes, And he was asked if
it was that rope, and he did not answer that question.
He would not answer that question. So again, I don't
know what it looks like. Is I haven't in a
picture and no one has seen the picture. Uh. Is
it possible that there might have been something hanging in
there that was a rope from the outside of the
garage or something that went on the car. Sure, but
I would I would like to think that someone who

(01:17:12):
looks at it would know the difference between that and
know the difference between what a new look's like hanging
in someone's garage and if they're going to go and
say that this is a specific thing that it was
and bring this attention and get the FBI involved and
get you know, extra security around Bubba. I would hope
that they would know the difference between one and the other.
I amen. But also you can see a situation where

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if you're hyper on alert, where you're like, you're just
you're you're going to be more apprehensive than you ordinarily
would given the situation, which is reasonable. This is why,
by the way, it's so incumbent up on NASCAR to
come out I think today honestly and answer the question

(01:17:53):
about what exactly is the story here, and and also
release the picture. Right if there is a picture of
this news, h what is it? You know, what does
it look like? Is it similar to the rope that
would have been used to pull the garage door down?
Is it something totally different than that? Uh? That would
go a long way towards answering these questions as well.

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I'm on board with you, you know, and I'm with
everyone else I want answers as well. I mean, this
is a sport that I've been a part of and
and have you know, care very much about and have um.
I mean, this is a sport that I'm a part of,
you know, and so I certainly want answers as well.
Um again, I hope that they would know the difference
between the two and this stuff if it was a mistake,
I would venture to say that they would air on

(01:18:34):
the side of caution rather than just kind of going
forward and moving forward with something as as disgusting as
as what they've as what they've said that was in
this garage. Um. So that's that's kind of where I
lay right now. And um but I again, I want
answers just as much as everybody else. Everybody does. Shannon,
You're fantastic. Thank you for getting up early with us.
As always, we will talk to you, hopefully next week

(01:18:55):
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it feels like finally we are there, all right. So
a couple of things here. First of all, Shanon's bake
was fantastic. She's always good. But I had to put
on my lawyer hat there and ask her a bunch
of questions. Frankly, I don't know very much you want
to know questions about you know, football stadiums or baseball stage.
I've spent a lot of time there. I had no

(01:20:43):
idea how big the end field was at NASCAR. What
I have just uh I. So I think we learned
a lot from her, and that was a fantastic guest
spot she just did. I'm gonna open up phone lines
and allow you guys to ask questions based on what
she just said. Eight seventh of nine, obviously surrounding the

(01:21:03):
Bubba Wallace noose incident. Now, have you guys seen my
Twitter feed? This has been ricocheting around Twitter a lot,
and Shannon spoke to it directly. There is a pull
rope on the garages at Talladega which would allow you
to pull down the garage door. Right if you look,

(01:21:25):
and I just tweeted it out, if you look at
the Bubba Wallace rope in his garage, it is noticeably
shorter and without the loop in the same way as
the garage that is next to him. Is it possible
that the rope broke on his garage and that was

(01:21:49):
the noose? All right, I want everybody to look at
that picture. Now, let's all play Where's Waldo? Uh? Look
at that picture that I just tweeted out in the
crew NASCAR needs, I believe, to get out in front
of this story today. They need to have an investigator
answer every question. They need to have either somebody arrested

(01:22:11):
and if somebody committed a hate crime and they figured
out who it is that person should be banned for
life from the sport and also face criminal charges. But
also they need to be able to answer questions for
everybody out there who's asking, Okay, what is the story here?
What is going on? And also they need to understand

(01:22:35):
that this is the way people respond to stories like these,
because there have been stories like these that have not
proven to be true. Jesse Smollett, Michael Bennett, even though
most people stopped paying attention to it, the Lebron racial
slur on the on the gate that the l a

(01:22:57):
p D decided not to press charges on that immediate
really got painted over that there was no evidence of.
And if there's not gonna be cameras, which is that's
incredibly frustrating, right. The entire purpose of having a camera
is to ensure that there's no divergence of stories, that

(01:23:19):
everybody is able to know exactly what happened. So if
there's no camera that shows this garage, I don't know
how you're going to quote unquote catch anybody in the
act because you can't see what the intent of this

(01:23:39):
might have been. All right, so let me bring in
the crew. Danny g did you see have you had
an opportunity to look at the picture that's tweeted out
that is going and circling around the Twitter sphere now
from people who cover racing. The Bubba Wallace garage rope
is shorter than the one x to it. You see

(01:24:00):
that Is it possible that that rope broke. The other
possibility would be somebody came along and cut it and said, oh,
I'm going to turn this into a noose, and then
they threw it on Bubba Wallace's Uh. I think it's interesting.
Shannon said that the NASCAR officials were asked specifically about

(01:24:21):
whether the noose was a part of the garage rope
and didn't answer that question. So the reason why I'm
I'm looking at this is if we don't have video,
which is frustrating, is it? And look, everybody out there
is opposed to racism, right like, So this is not like, oh,
I'm not saying if this didn't happen, racism didn't know

(01:24:41):
they're a racist. They certainly they're problem. Sure they're racist
at NASCAR, just like they're racist at every employment, employment, uh,
in place of employment in the country right there, racism exists.
So this is not a racism doesn't exist. What I'm
doing is trying to look at the facts of a
specific story. When you look at that rope, the Bubba

(01:25:03):
Wallace rope is substantially shorter on the garage, right, Is
it possible? And NASCAR has refused to say whether or
not that is the rope that is the news that
they are investigating. Does this look interesting at least as
a part of this discussion to you, Danny G. Yeah,
I mean it's worth looking at. It is possible, wondering

(01:25:26):
if maybe it was manipulated by some idiot who knew
the cameras was off. See that's that's the or that
there was Why I asked, like, because the reason why
I asked that question is my assumption, and I think
most of you would assume as well. When you see
a camera, I just assume it's one, right, I don't

(01:25:46):
assume that it's turned off because of the coronavirus and
so they're not monitoring things as they ordinarily would. And
this was my thing with the Lebron incident. People got
mad at me, They're like, why are you asking? Lebron
literally had a security camera directly focused on his gate,
so when the police showed up, they said, Hey, where's

(01:26:08):
the camera footage? And they were like, oh, the camera
was off. And I'm like, if you showed up at
Lebron James's gate and there's a huge camera right there
looking out over you, would you write a racial slur
on the gate with the camera right there looking at you?
Wouldn't you assume that the camera is on. So whether

(01:26:30):
all these people knew that the cameras were off, I
think is a big part of this story. The cameras
being off, We'll close a big part of this story.
You can't see all the cameras though, even you would
just assume, I would think unless you had inside knowledge,
you would think that cameras were recording. Because you remember
I went to the Fontana Race. What was it It
was February, I think, right before everything got shut down.

(01:26:53):
I had I had one of those hot passes, so
I got to be in the garages and I went
to two garages, the number twenty four car because of
co Be which will William Byron. I took a picture.
And I also went to Bubba Wallace's garage because one
of my friends, who happens to live in Tennessee is
a huge Bubba Wallace fan, So I was taking pictures
of stuff in his garage. There was absolutely nobody around.

(01:27:15):
The race had already started, no one was in there.
There were some TV monitors, so I still got to
watch what was going on in the race. But I
assumed that camera on camera while you were there, Yeah,
because I was around all this expensive equipment, because you
could just bought just taking a wrench theoretically, right like,
you could have just walked away with something. They were
working on the car. And so your natural assumption is

(01:27:37):
there has to be security that would see me if
I walked over here and took something away. Exactly. I
was standing right there next to Wallace's gear, and I
just assumed there's got to be cameras recording me right
now because there's no security guards. Obviously, was somebody on
the inside or somebody that broke into the track and
and just did this, you know, and then took off quickly.

(01:28:00):
Is it possible that the rope broke somebody just tossed
it over to the side, and then somebody else comes
in and thinks, oh my god, this is a noose.
And seriously, but the reason why I'm raising that is
an issue is they were specifically. According to Shannon, they

(01:28:21):
were specifically asked whether it was the pull rope on
the garage that was the noose, and they didn't. They
wouldn't answer. So if like, if you knew that it
was not that, wouldn't you say no, it wasn't that
it was a different rope. Just look, this is this

(01:28:42):
is what lawyers do. Right. People want to immediately rush.
They want to put the cart before the horse, right,
They want to come running in pell mell, especially in
a social media era, and they want to establish all
these different factors, right, like all the significance of it.

(01:29:02):
And by the way, props to NASCAR for the way
they have responded and rallied around Bubba Wallace. But is
it possible that there wasn't actually a noose there with
the intent? In other words, a lot of people are like, oh,
this is fake rights in this day and age, doesn't
matter what the story is. People on the internet, social media,

(01:29:24):
they're like, oh, this is fake. And then there's other
people that are gonna be like, oh, this is a
dent a hate crime without looking at any of the evidence.
Is it possible it's somewhere in the middle that when
you actually look at the data, and I think today
is a big day for NASCAR. I tweeted out the
picture if you want to see it for yourself, of

(01:29:46):
Bubba Wallace's garage because I was asking Shannon questions. I
had no idea what these garages look like at Talladega.
If you're curious about what that looks like, you can
go look at the picture. You can zoom in at
Clay Travis dub you're looking at the picture that I
tweeted out as well. That pull rope, it does look

(01:30:07):
different on Bubba Wallace's garage than it does on the
garage next to it. Right, it is substantially shorter on
this photograph. Yeah, I'd say at least half the length,
probably less than half the length. And the end of
the rope has like a circle which would be considered
could be considered a noos like circle, right, like a

(01:30:29):
loop in other words, where you could like put your
finger in. If you think about the old school, like
how do you pull a garage door down, some of
them had ropes, and some of them have like a
circle at the bottom where you could put your fingers
in to pull it down. Now it's possible somebody cut
that rope on Bubba Wallace's garage and then through it,

(01:30:51):
intending it to be an insult. It's also possible that
that rope was already shorter and was never actually the
same as the other ropes. It's also possible that that
rope broke and somebody just threw it off to the side,
and then when somebody on Bubba Wallace's crew came in,
they said, oh my god, there's a news here. We

(01:31:15):
don't know. That is why NASCAR needs to answer these questions.
Is there anything else from that picture that stood out
to you, dub I mean, the only thing that really
stands out is, I mean, the rope is significantly shorter
than the other rope pictured. And I mean, I think
the fact that, uh, what Shannon said that when they
were asked NASCAR was about whether or not the news

(01:31:38):
was related to that rope, the pull down rope in
the garage, and they didn't answer, I mean to me,
and I you just kind of laid that out in
your previous statement there. To me, it kind of makes
me think that that's probably where the news came from. Now,
whether or not what the intent was that seems to
be the real question. But I feel like I feel

(01:31:59):
like just put piecing together all these pictures and in ideas,
I feel like that it has to be the origin
of the news. Now, the intent is obviously the bigger
question at hand here, which is why you need a
camera which maybe wasn't turned on, which makes this potentially
more difficult than it otherwise might have been. But to me,

(01:32:21):
if you're asked if your NASCAR specifically directly, was it
a rope from the garage door that was potentially considered
to be the news and NASCAR refuses to comment on it,
that to me sounds like something that would suggest the
answer is yes, because if you ask something that's not
the case, you would think you would say no, no,

(01:32:43):
that's not that's not the where we think the rope
came from. It all, Eddie, you've had chance to look
at this picture now as we are doing our own
uh investigation here. This is one of the things that
can be positive about social media or negative is there
are lots of different people that want to play detective

(01:33:03):
on the internet with stories like these on social media. Um,
the picture appears to be accurate of the Bubba Wallace
car there. I tweeted it out because I do find
it interesting just to know what the garages look like,
because that's one of my first questions. But also the
fact that the rope is right there on his poll
door and is substantially shorter than the one next to it,

(01:33:26):
and the fact that NASCAR was specifically asked about this
makes it look like potentially that could be the door, right.
What do you think when you look at that picture
and that tweet that I sent out? Well, first off,
I want to give major props to Shannon Spake. She
was fantastic. She was She was awesome and answered a
lot of questions I had, So that was great. Did

(01:33:47):
I not ask I? Did? I did? I should? Like
you guys can text me in the middle of an interview,
it's kind of harder. Maybe I could throw it out
to you guys more so, But it was there any
question you wish that I had asked her? That I
didn't because I'm trying. I try to ask questions most
of the time as if I were a listener. In
other words, like if I'm driving around in my car.
The questions that I'm trying to ask of guests when
we have a story like this that we're trying to

(01:34:08):
unpack is the question that I would want to be answered,
and it was there anything that I didn't ask that
you wished I had? No? I think you covered it.
And I also think the one thing I really took
away and and really was questioning was why there was
no comment on that specific question about was it was
the news from a rope you know that was attached
to the door. Because I've looked at your picture that

(01:34:29):
you tweeted out in a bunch of other pictures as well,
and I think you're you're You're kind of final theory
is something that I'm kind of leaning towards now, is
it did someone cut that rope that looks like a
noose and put it somewhere to where you know it
was meant to be offensive to walls that or did
it break and somebody just tossed it off to the side,

(01:34:50):
and maybe it was and not intending to be at
a negative And then it's found like, right, what is?
And this is why you need a video. This is
why there needs to be a video to tell us
exactly what happened in order to know who did it,
because then you know you can actually go in and
talk to the person who did it and try to

(01:35:10):
figure out like I think if the video showed somebody
with a with scissors or a knife and they cut
it and then they throw it in the direction of
his car or place it on the top of the
car or in some way, Like we don't know where
this rope was found, right, so in what what was

(01:35:32):
the intent of the placing of the rope? All these
things are important and go towards helping to explain what
exactly happened. Anything else from you, Eddie, like who did
this and what was their intent? If that rope is
the Like we need to know all these details because
they go towards explaining exactly what was going on. And again,

(01:35:57):
to me, the act that NASCAR didn't comment when asked
about that rope and whether it could have been from
the garage pole door is a really interesting question. And
again there are a lot of people who are I
don't believe it, like I think it was staged, right,
And every doesn't matter what the story is on the Internet,

(01:36:20):
people don't believe it, right, Like Elon Musk can send
a spaceship to UH to link up with the space station,
and if you search on social media, there's like people
like oh, it's all staged. No way, this is real, right,
that happens. There are also people who are immediately going
to believe everything that they read on the internet. And

(01:36:44):
then there's also the possibility there are three options here, right,
it's a hate crime, and whoever did it should be
excluded from NASCAR for life and charged with a crime.
That's option one. Option two is maybe it's not a
intentionally nefarious act. Maybe the garage door broke the chord,

(01:37:07):
it was thrown off to the side. It was later
found in Bubba Wallace's garage, and because of the hyper
sensitivity surrounding him right now, somebody thought, oh my god,
this is a threat that's been made against him. This
is a noose. And then the other option, which some
people believe, is that it's all staged. Right, That's I

(01:37:30):
would say, is there any other possibility, Like, if you
are an investigator, you begin with everything that could happen
as you look at the facts. Is it fair to
say those are the only three possibilities as you look
at anybody think of a fourth possibility. It's a hate crime,
it's a broken rope that was out an abundance of

(01:37:52):
caution considered to be something nefarious that was not intended,
or it was staged, And those are the three options.
I think the stage does the less like the least
likely personally. Um So that's my opinion, but certainly there
are a lot of opinions out there. Can anybody else
think of another option than the three that I just

(01:38:14):
laid out, Danny g any other options? I don't think
so those are the options, Dub any other options. I
can't imagine another one other than those three, Eddie, any
other options, not that I can think of at this time.
If you're investigating and if you're looking at the facts,
those are the three options. What I believe NASCAR needs
to do today is either charge someone, let us know

(01:38:37):
who's responsible, or they need to come out and tell
us all the details of how this rope was found,
where it came from, who discovered it, where it was
All of these things need to be explained today by NASCAR,
given all the attention this story has gotten. All right,
when we come back, we'll be joined by Petro's Papadakis,

(01:38:59):
the satis man in all of sports talk radio at
the Old P on Twitter. This is outkicked the coverage
with Clay Travis let's go ahead and bring in my guy,
Petros Papadakis, A M five seventy l A sports at

(01:39:19):
the Old p on Twitter, Petro's my man baseball. It
feels like may finally be back. Are you ecstatic? Are
you excited? Are you sitting shirtless right now filled with anticipation,
in glee and glory? I am sitting shirtless, and I
am filled with something. But it's not that I am
so tired of the emotional pendulum that the baseball situation is.

(01:39:46):
And somebody told me exactly what it was a couple
of people, smart baseball types told me exactly what it
was like weeks ago, and I still just went along.
It's like having a girlfriend that just loves to pull
on your emotional chords and you just go along with
it because you know the end result is going to

(01:40:08):
be makeup, sex or something, so you just go along
with all the all the emotional machinations. And that's what
we've been doing with baseball. But somebody told me a
long time ago, Look, this is just working like one
of those arbitrations does where it gets really nasty between
both sides and that eventually they make a deal or

(01:40:31):
it comes to whatever conclusion, and usually we don't know
what happens behind those closed doors and those arbitration meetings.
I know that most of the players just want to
punch everybody when when they come out of one of those,
but we have to be witnessed to the whole thing
and that that's been difficult because it put a really

(01:40:53):
sour taste in people's mouth and they don't like the
back and forth. They don't like to either tip for
tat between very wealthy people who don't seem to be
arguing about the health issues. We talk about this all
the time. It's about money and how to split it up,
and it's a turn off. But when we get it,

(01:41:14):
we'll get it and we'll have live sports on a
daily basis that people want to and need to and
love to celebrate. So I think we'll forgive them all
if it comes back, But if it doesn't, that'll be
tough to forgive. Yeah, no kidding. Um, we're talking to
petros because A M five seventy l A sports. You

(01:41:36):
played college football and now every day we have updates
on the percentage of players that are testing positive and
everything surrounding that. Uh. I know, it's hard to see
a little bit to think about. But it appears I
talk to people, and I'm sure you have to at
L s U and Clemson that the guys are getting
infected not from working out and getting back to back

(01:41:58):
to playing football, but because they're on campus and they
can go out to bars or house parties and chase girls.
That might be the biggest threat in terms of guys
getting this virus. Um. We take it back in time
when you were eight years old, when you were the
captain of USC's football team. Can you imagine if you'd
been sent home, told to stay at home for months,

(01:42:20):
and then suddenly you get back on campus and there's
suddenly lots of girls around and everything else. How hard
would it have been to get your teammates not to
go to parties and not to be out hanging out
with those girls. Impossible. Yeah, you would have to have
a beach cruiser bike patrol with a bunch of like

(01:42:44):
ball boys and managers and stuff just to be out
there narking on people. And I've seen that before on
like a big Thursday night where the coach says, I
don't want anybody out and this and that, and we
leave on Friday morning, or something and Bell send out
a big narc kind of brigade to go write down

(01:43:05):
names and figure out who's doing what. Yeah, I mean
it would really be difficult. I mean it's Look, when
you're a twenty year old college football player and you
run and jump and and lift, and you you can
basically do most things physically that people can't do, and

(01:43:26):
you're young, and you feel invincible, and you think you
can jump over a car, and you think you're going
to live forever and you're never going to be stopped
and nothing bad is ever gonna have mean that is
that is really what goes through the minds of these
young people, and it's hard to get them to acquis now.
The one thing is when I see a bunch of

(01:43:47):
people have COVID on a team, like a lot of
people gasp. And it's not a death sentence. You know
they're not going to do They're they're going to be fine. Now,
if there's an older person who immune deficient or something
around the football team, that's a concern, and that's something
that these these programs have to deal with. But I

(01:44:09):
don't I wasn't super concerned that it was happening right now.
I would think it's better to get it out of
the way these outbreaks now, so teams can figure out
how to deal with it, how to go forward, how
to separate players. But it's damn near impossible to tell
college kids not to interact with each other. It's it's

(01:44:31):
it's almost futile. And I don't know how I would
go about doing it as a as a young guy,
I guess, and as a team tapptain. I mean, do
you think that the coaches come to you and say, look,
because they're one hand, there's an argument that everybody getting
exposed to the coronavirus, especially when you're young and you're
under a greater danger from the flu or pneumonia, and

(01:44:53):
most of the time the cases are asymptomatic, that everybody
getting exposed during a training camp era basically right now
is not necessarily an awful thing because it means that
nobody's gonna get sick during the season. Right. You can
make that argument, and then it's going to but I
don't you know. Look, we started talking on the Fox

(01:45:13):
World yesterday about college football, and there's still a lot
of big questions, but we want to do college football,
you know, And we got the teams together and we
started having some outbreaks. So football in itself is about
overcoming adversity. It's not about things being perfect. It's not

(01:45:36):
about having everything be executed in the exact proper way
every time. It's about having things get all messed up
and overcoming that adversity that is football. Within a game,
within a practice, within a lifetime, within a season, it's
about overcoming stuff. So this is a this is a
hill that they have to climb. But the guys are okay.

(01:45:59):
You know. That's the one thing I want to emphasize
because there's so much information and we're getting we're getting
so confused all the time. The players are going to
be fine. No one is in danger. The players are
safer with their teammates than they are, you know, back
at home going to parties. Now campus is a whole
different thing. And the funny thing is if it's the

(01:46:21):
middle of the summer, you know, usually we're all alone
on KIM I know at U S. C. Clay, I mean,
we were alone on campus in the summertime. That's a
commuter school in many ways, you know, unless there's a
football game home game, which is like what seven games
a year on Saturday. Most people go home on the

(01:46:42):
weekends at USC and they're they're gone during the summer.
I mean, we couldn't find a party to go to
if we wanted to. We used to drink forties on
the practice field and stare at each other and then
go back the next day and there'd be empty forty
bottles of the strength. Coach would be mother effic some home.
The homeless are leaving them a lab, but you know,

(01:47:03):
there wasn't anybody to party with. It is really funny.
So but to me, what this is is a little
bit of a window of what the return of college
is going to be like. Because you've got all these
kids that by and large have been at home and
mom and dad's apartment or condo or house wherever you
live when you're not in college, and then you get
back to a college campus and your favorite bar and

(01:47:26):
your girls are out there, and everybody's gonna rush out,
and there's gonna be a huge spike in initial infections.
And football is reflective of that as opposed to like
an outlier. Right, if football players are just reflecting what's
likely to happen elsewhere, what already has happened at Clemson,
and l s U is likely to happen elsewhere. And
I don't know. I guess what I'm saying is short

(01:47:47):
of saying like, hey, we're gonna start doing bed checks,
and maybe that's the answer. Maybe they're gonna have to
for football season really restrict these guys, much like is
happening on on the NBA with their bubble. Maybe they're
going to have to restrict their social activity in a
way that ordinarily is not the case during the season.
But if you're going to classrooms and you're going out

(01:48:09):
and seeing you're doing taking care of your work, you
would think that that is going to be challenging in
and of itself. Yeah, I mean it probably if if
everything that's happening or being said is true, and we
really are supposed to be that afraid of being together,
And you know me, I'm as confused as ever about everything.

(01:48:33):
I mean, I just I can barely keep my head
above water informationally. But if if all that stuff is true,
we probably shouldn't have college and shouldn't have football in
the fall, if all that stuff is true. But we've
been misled a few times during this age of coronavirus,
as you know, So I believe that no matter what,

(01:49:00):
they're gonna put kids on campus and try to play
because otherwise, and John Wilner wrote this the other day too,
otherwise the whole thing economically collapses. And I don't think
that colleges will allow that to happen to themselves, or
we'll try to keep themselves from from having that faith.

(01:49:22):
I'm not sure if it's right or wrong or what
the result is going to be. But without kids and
dorms and kids on campus, colleges can't make money and
they can't sustain their utopian societies for long at all.
So they're gonna give it a try, and God speed.
I hope it. I hope it works out because I

(01:49:43):
need college football in my life. We all do. And
I hope it's safe and I hope we can pull
it off. All Right, I got a pull question for you.
I don't know if you've seen this yet, but it
is maybe the most difficult poll question of all time.
All right, yeah, okay, so uh, there now are seventeen
thousand people that have voted in the what Let's see

(01:50:06):
hour and change since has been up. Which is the
dumber woke statement from yesterday dead Spin arguing the Master
should have to change its name because of racism, or
we're gonna play this audio for you. I don't know
if you've heard the audio. Here's Brett Farve. I've heard
about Pat Tilman and Colin Kaepernick. Will probably some people
are waking up right now and haven't heard it. It's
only twenty seconds here it is, you know, I can

(01:50:28):
only think of frontal the top I have. Pat Tillman's
another guy who did something you know, similar, and we
regard him as a hero. So I assume the hero
status will will be stamped with with Chapernick as well,
all right, which is dumber arguing that the Masters have
to change their name, or Brett Farve comparing Pat Tilman

(01:50:50):
and Colin Kaepernick, Well, the whole thing is, you know,
they're both dumb. None of it makes sense because the
Pat Tilman Kaepernick I I played against Pat Tillman, I
know his family. Part of what happened with Pat Tillman
was part of the reason the anthems a problem. You know,
military promotion through the NFL and the friendly fire, and

(01:51:13):
you know the military kind of being a misleading not
kind of about the way he died and all that
it's convoluted there. Uh. I love Pat Tilman and I
can't believe his sacrifice, and I think about him all
the time. I think about playing against him. So that's

(01:51:33):
a complicated fingdom for me. The master's is about being
a master of golf, right, Okay? Like uh, like a
karate master is that a chess grand master someone who
has a master's degree? You know, I mean I don't
think farm could answer that question in any way that

(01:51:54):
it wouldn't have pissed somebody off. Honestly, I think making
that comparison is really volatile, uh to many people. Uh,
you know you're going masters, you know, I just it's
a great question because you're having chess master, a master

(01:52:16):
of chess, you know, a master, card master, master, key master. Yeah,
I'm gonna go with master. But then again, they're trying
to get Somebody was trying to get after white Jesus
the other day. And uh, I mean in the Greek Church,

(01:52:38):
our we have a lot of icons and stuff like
the Catholics, uh, and our Jesus is kind of swarthy
as opposed to be in white. Well Jesus wasn't white.
You know. They do have a point, you know, Jesus
was not a white dude. You pretty swarthy guy, But

(01:53:00):
you know, I mean people take liberties when they paid things.
I guess our Jesus is pretty swarthy. Uh, speaking of Jesus,
can whatever I can have, whatever skin colored people want,
doesn't really Yeah, it doesn't really impact me very much.
Master's name change fifty one saying the Master's name change
is the dumbest it to good at golf. I don't know.

(01:53:26):
I guess they could just call it Augusta National. It's
it's really dumb. Petro's Papadakis, I gotta get to break.
Can you come back? And you want to come back?
Just to two words for the Master's ready, Yes, golf tournament.
Golf tournament, brilliant. We'll talk to Petro's next week. Uh.
You seem like he was in a pretty good mood

(01:53:46):
at the Old p This is outkicked the coverage with
plates Rabbits. All right, let's get some of your call.
If you have been waiting for a while to finish
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(01:54:08):
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Reads that you get an autograph copy of my book
Who's Up? First up, Hey, what's going on, Clay? Um?
What you got for me? I think she had made
a really interesting point earlier in the show. She said that, uh,
even this kind of sets the sport of NASCAR back
a little bit. I actually think that it does a

(01:54:28):
lot more for the sport, especially with the social injustice
going on right now. I think it's a great, you
know picture for them to put all the NASCAR drivers
walking with bubble wall is and yeah, I mean, doesn't
this progress the sport? You know what I mean? And
that's why I think it Maybe maybe this, maybe this
is a publicity stunt, you know. Maybe Yeah, thanks for

(01:54:50):
Coll'm gonna try to get everybody in. I think that
NASCAR responded to this incident as well as they could.
We laid out three different possibilities. It's a racial act
and somebody should be charged with the crime. Uh, there
is something in between where the intent was not to
be racist, a rope broke something else, or uh it
could be as I think, you have to look at

(01:55:11):
all the different stories out there, there's always the possibility
that something is staged. I think that's the least likely,
but I think given what happened with Jesse Smollett and
certainly what we've seen with Michael Bennett, for instance. In
the world of sports, you can't rush to a conclusion
until you know all the facts, which is what I'm saying.
There are three options right off the top of what

(01:55:31):
exactly could have happened. Who's up next? We got Jay
in California. Jay, what you got? Hey, Clay, very nice
to hear your voice. As always, you are a voice
of reason. But I just wanted to react to the
Petro's call. That was hilarious. He's always great, funny and

(01:55:53):
you know, yeah, he's always he is always great. And
um I am. I am a loyal Bruin. I am
a loyal Bruin seventy eight. I am a pyramid of
success clone. And have you ever been to Philippe, Clay,
I've not. You have not been to Phelippes yet? No? Okay, Well,

(01:56:15):
when you come to l A and next time you
come to l A, I got to go to Philippe.
That is one of my favorite places. That's I'm sure
it's one of Petrits petris favorite places. I have never
been to his restaurant in San Pedro, and I would
love Maybe today I'll go over there and get some
food taken out or whatever. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks
for the calling. You're about ten years too late. I
think the restaurant is closed. The Petro's restaurant was phenomenal,

(01:56:38):
I'm told, but it is now closed his dad's restaurant, Philip. Sorry,
I'd love to go there to final call. Who we
got dubbed a we got sin in Oregon? Say what
you got? That's me um. I want to thank you
for your Friday shows A couple of years ago, before
the ship virus where see that people call in and

(01:57:02):
just ask advice from you. Yes, now I started listening
to you. I called my dad and I said, I
missed midnight baseball. I missed midnight baseball. And I'm the
widow of a vet that walked up to the mayor
of Oakland and said, so are the Raiders going to
stay in Oakland? Are you drunk right now? Soon? What

(01:57:24):
are you drunk? No? You just sound like this all
the time. No, this is my voice. Well I think
you're drunk. No, I'm not so. Yeah, what do you
want to tell me? I was going to tell you

(01:57:47):
that my vet walked up to the mayor of Oakland
and said, so are the Raider is going to stay
in Oakland because we were at the gospel concert. Hell
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