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being Gold and the Steelers Steeler last night, just when
you thought there was no way that the Cincinnati Bengals
could give away that game last night, dominant start, the
Steelers did what they have been doing from the get go. Basically,

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they found a way to win with Ben Roethlisberger. Now
is a brutal game. It was an ugly game. It
was eerily similar to the playoff game these two teams
played a couple of years ago. Big hits, ugly hits.
The Bengals ultimately undisciplined enough to give away what should
have been a win. This, to he is is something
that if I were the owner, I understand Paul Brown
is never gonna fire Marvin Lewis. He basically has just

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decided Marvin Lewis is coach for life with the Bengals.
If my team had thirteen penalties for a hundred and
seventy three yards, I would seriously consider firing the head
coach because that is a testament to the lack of
discipline that a team can put up. I mean, this
is kind of putting it into context. The Bengals had
three hundred and fifty three yards of total offense. They

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had almost half that and penalties. I mean, I I
don't know. I mean, in all honesty, I don't know
how you can rationalize keeping Marvin Lewis as head coach
of the Bengals with the way that they play in
some of these must win games. I mean, you know,
I went and looked up Marvin Lewis's coaching status. This
guy has been with the Bengals since two thousand three,

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and I'm sure there's a lot of people in Cincinnati
listen to me right now, like, yeah, thanks, preached to
the choir. He's been to the playoffs to his credit,
seven times. He's lost in the first round. Every single time.
He's lost every single wild card game that he's ever
coached in he's oh and seven. This year Cincinnati falls
to five and seven. I know that there's a lot
of focus on the quarterback play and Andy Dalton and

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everything else, but to me, this is just it's time
for him to go. And I don't know how much
more time a guy can get, but it's it's crazy.
He's been there long enough that he's coached in three
tie games. I mean that kind of puts it in perspective.
The big goals have been in three tie games, and
Marvin Lewis's head coaching career, he's a hundred and twenty

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three and a hundred and twelve, I mean basically five hundred.
He's never won a playoff game, and consistently when they
get into positions like this where they basically have a
must have win and and functionally I really believe this
it must have win for the Steelers too, because they
want I know, they could still come back and beat
the Patriots in mid December and still get the tie

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break for the home field advantage, but I think the
Patriots don't want to have to be in that position
where they're potentially playing every game for the rest of
the season other than the Steelers other than the Patriots,
where they could lose home field advantage as well, because
I ultimately think the a f C is going to
come down. I don't think this is a radical irrational
idea by any stretch of the imagination. I think the

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vast majority of you starting off your day listening to
us would agree it's gonna come down to Steelers Patriots.
And it's almost impossible to win in Foxboro in January
when the Patriots have home field advantage. So if you
are the Steelers, you want that game in Pittsburgh. And
if you play that game in Pittsburgh, I think the
Steelers will win. The Steelers, if they play that game

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against the Patriots in Pittsburgh, will find out a way
to win. But if that games in Foxborough, I think
the Patriots are gonna win. And so as a reality,
every game down the stretch is insanely important. Now the
same is also true for the Bengals, basically, who could
have been in the mix for potentially a wild card
spot in the a f C if they could have
gotten this win and gotten back to six and six

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and then felt good about themselves down the stretch. Now
effectively their season is over and to have it lose
it like this totally bitter pill to swallow such an
ugly violent game. Two. And I think this is the
kind of stuff that to me represents the NFL as
sort of this gladiatorial combat where there are lots of
cheap pits, there's lots of brutal physical hits and as

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a result, and you look back at football and whether
or not it's gonna be the continued dominant sport twenty
years from now. I think a lot of people will
point to Monday night football games like this one and say, man,
this is when a lot of moms out there sitting
around watching We're like, man, I don't know. In the
same way that over years they watched boxing and they said,

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I'm not gonna put my son in the ring and
let him get beaten up. There's a lot of people
who watch a game like this and think, you know what,
maybe my son should play basketball, Maybe you should play soccer,
maybe you should play baseball. I think that this is
the long range fear of nf fell fans. Now, it's
fun to watch, it's fun to watch guys get the
crap beating out of them, But I think there's a

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lot of people out there who a little bit like
me that when they see these big hits. Now, you
don't just think, oh, that guy will bounce back up,
he'll be fine. You think in the back of your head, oh,
ct or I wonder maybe I'm wrong, Maybe most of
you guys don't think this, but you're think in the
back of your mind, man, that's gonna that. That's why
the lasting impact of football is so devastating in the NFL.

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That's why these guys have the injuries that they do
because of the hits like Vontes perfect Took, I mean
totally and look, the guy is not one that's gonna
provoke a lot of sympathy. But Juju Smith Schuster just
flattened him, I mean just crushed him. What a what
a crackback block. And that was just many one of
many hits that you watched and thought, my god, this

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was a brutal game. After the game, a few comments
were made about the Steelers being able to come back
and win. I think we've got some of those cute up.
Let's let's play the music, Danny g right now. We're
just happy that he's getting the necessary medical attention that
he deserves, and uh, you know, he got a lot
of brothers in there that that are thoughtful about him,
and uh, you don't want to honor that performance and

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h for him. I can't comment on what you I
don't understand your question. Uh you know, yeah, there's things
in place to to police this, but uh, you know,
I don't know what playing you're talking about in question
or whatever. So I mean you're making a general statement.
Probably not for me to make a general comment. It
was a dirty hit. It was, you know that. I mean,

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he wasn't looking, you know, and that's it called the
flag on or whatever. But it was a kind of
shot matted to see it. I didn't see it comment
or whatever, but I mean, it was just it was
a dirty hit, hard fought game with with with these guys,
you never want to have any of the players. You're
gonna injure anybody, and so it's disappointing that that happened.
You know, it's a physical game. So but you can't
have any of the cheap stuff. Thirteen penalties for a

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hundred and seventy three yards is just so far are
beyond the pale that again, I I just circle back
around to it and if you are the owner of
the Bengals, how do you look at that and say,
Marvin Lewis has control of this team, and you feel
pretty good that the Bengals may have won this game
if they could have limited themselves too. I don't know,
a hundred yards of penalties. We're not talking about a
hundred yards of penalties being a cleanly played game, but

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a hundred and seventy three. It just it boggles the
mind that something like that could happen and that a
head coach could not have to answer for it in
an aggressive fashion because not to mention the fact that
the Bengals were out in control, but you always felt like,
the Steelers are gonna find a way to win, and
they did. That's what the Steelers do. And the Bengals

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are gonna find a way to lose. And despite the
fact that they're a f C North rivals, the Steelers
really have absolutely no chance at all to win a game,
uh to lose a game. I'm sorry to the Bengals
in a situation like this. Just again, I circle back
around to that playoff game of a couple of years ago.
Oh and if you were the owner of the Bengals.

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I mean, I don't know what Paul Brown is thinking
when he's watching this. Does he feel like Marvin Lewis
is giving a good representation of the Bengals franchise in
the way that the product that he put on the
field last night. Man, it's not like you can point
to him and say, oh, you know what, this guy
just needs more time. I mean, he's lost seven straight
wild card games when he's actually gotten to the playoffs.

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This is gonna be the second straight season that they
don't get there. Isn't it time to try to recalibrate
what you're doing with this franchise when you see a
performance like this in a signature game Monday night football.
I'm not saying that the Bengals didn't play hard. I'm
not saying that this wasn't an insanely physical game. I'm
just saying, thirteen penalties for a hundred and seventy three yards.

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That's a stat I look at and I say, we
can't have this happen. And yet it felt like a
mirror image of the last game that we saw between
these two. They came down to a last second field
goal in the playoffs when miraculously the Steelers found a
way to win. I think it was like eight teen
to sixteen in the playoffs, when in theory, the Bengals

(09:06):
should have won that game, should have had that game
put away completely, and their lack of discipline fell apart
and cost them. I'm gonna open up the phone lines
eight seven, seven, three, six, nine, um and uh, I'll
get your reactions to this game. If you happen to
be a Bengals fan, if you hapen to be a
Steelers fan. We've got a ton to get to today.
So let me give you a roadmap if you're listening
on the podcast What's coming. First of all, thanks for

(09:28):
spending your Tuesday with us. I'm up in Washington, d C.
I'm gonna talk to you here momentarily about the Supreme
Court and how cool that was to get to go
watch what I think could be a massive story developing,
which is the legalization officially of sports gambling. I'm gonna
tell you about getting to go to the Supreme Court
and everything. I'll do that on the flip side here

(09:49):
Also an hour two, as we always do, we've got
Alex Marvez, and then an hour three, we've got my
guy Petros Papadakis. We'll talk about the College Football Playoff,
how painful it is to him that the SEC now
has two teams in and where the Pac twelve goes
from here and again I'll open up the phone lines
to take some of your calls reacting to the Monday
night football game. I'll pull my crew. Do they agree
with me that Marvin Lewis should be gone? And again,

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I am going to set the table for what the
experience was like going to the Supreme Court to see
an argument about whether the state of New Jersey should
be able to legalize sports gambling. We've also got a
lot of audio to hit to you, u Jon Gruden
talking about the Tennessee job on Monday Night football last night.
We've got Jim Harbaugh and Mark D'Antonio feuding. We have
got uh Lee Angelo ball I think it's Lee Angelo,

(10:36):
not LaMelo, potentially going pro somewhere. Hopefully they're not sending
him back to China to play, although you could probably
make some good money there if you hadn't gotten arrested
for for theft. He's pulling him out of U. C.
L A. So many different stories to get to will
unpack all of those Uh, my name is Clay Travis,
and uh, I will tell you. Trust me, you're gonna
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We're confident now it's gonna come down to Steelers and
Patriot's kind of the same way we were before Monday
Night Football. But I'm gonna bring in the crew now,
Jason Martin, are you with me that there's no way

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to defend Marvin Lewis remaining as the head coach of
the Cincinnati Bengals at this point, thirteen penalty is a
hundred and seventy four yards. I think the guy has
to be gone if you care at all about trying
to send a message that your team can ever do
something other than lose in the first round of the
a f C wild card, I would agree, and I've
agreed for years. I thought after the playoff game he

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should have been gone, but I thought he should have
been gone before because I just don't think he's that
good at football coach. I think, look in the NFL,
if you continually get to the playoffs, that's good and all.
But are we saying there's no other coach out there
who could actually discipline this team and keep them under control,
because they've been out of control for many years. Quite frankly,
you're telling me we couldn't find somebody else that could

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get to the playoffs and lose in a wild card
round year after year. I don't I don't understand the
tenure this guy seems to have despite the lack of
impact that he appears to have on his own locker
room when it comes to keeping them under wraps, keeping
them under control, and they just don't win enough quite
frankly for me to think he's some elite coach that
should have been in one spot. I'm not saying you
shouldn't get another job maybe somewhere else, but I'm saying

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that I can't believe he is still a part of
the Cincinnati Bengals organization. And it's not just last night,
but last night. If you need a reason, somebody apparently
up there needs a huge reason to get rid of
this guy. All right there, it is right there, bright
shining example, a hundred eight yards of penalties. Just get
rid of the guy. Yeah, I mean it is. It
is indefensible to me in a game that you absolutely

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have to win. I mean, l A, are you guys
with us, Is this a clean sweep that he has
to be gone? Yeah. One of my best friends who
lives in Santa Barbara, he is a huge Bengals fan.
He has been his whole life. And every time I know,
every time I catch up with him and talk NFL
with him, he's crying about ownership and you know he
has no idea why they will not clean house, and

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he's been calling for it for five years now. You
would have thought that it would have at least came
to a boil at the end of last season when
they finished six nine and one, and they've been a
dumpster fire just for the simple fact that they cannot
get over the hump for the life of themselves. And uh,
they a good start would be getting rid of Marvin
Lewis and Andy Dalton. Yeah, well, I mean, look the

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Andy Dalton thing. I I some somewhat wonder they're in
that awkward space where they have a quarterback who's good
enough not to suck, but probably not good enough to
win a Super Bowl. And teams hate to be in
that position because you're you're never good enough to really
make a run, but you also avoid having to go
back into the draft every year and try to groom

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a quarterback. I think Andy Dalton is probably the most
mediocre possible quarterback in the NFL who's too good to
let go but not good enough to actually win anything.
So I think they're caught almost handcuffed by Andy Dalton
at this point. But the Marvin Lewis situation, at least
with Andy Dalton. If you had a brand new coach
to bring in, maybe you could attribute some of the

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failure of the Bengals to take that next step to
win a playoff game to the fact that it's Marvin
Lewis and give Andy Dalton a shot with somebody new.
That would be my theory. If I had to choose
between starting over with Marvin Lewis, I think he's a
lot easier to replace than Andy Dalton is, even though
I'm not a huge Andy Dalton believer. Let's take some
of your calls. Let's let's roll in here, Mike and

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l A. What's up, mikey Clay always right to hear
you can't wait for your take on the Supreme Court.
But let's talk about the dirty nous of the Bengals.
Birthett ending levy on Bill's season last year, illegal penalized
hits against Big Ben. One hundred seventy three yards of

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penalties last night. This is a war on the field.
Just two plays before birth Fette was hit by Juju
Smith Schuster. Blenn Ben was blindsided and taken down. This
is payback, baby, and that's what it's about. When you're
a brother on the field. Yes, I'm from Pittsburgh, but

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you messed with the bull, you get the horns. I
know you feel me, Clay, don't you. Here's the thing,
what are the odds that Juju Smith Schuster, of all
the players in the NFL was going to be the
guy to knock out Vontes. I mean that that. I
don't know. That's like busterd Ugless knocking out Mike Tyson
if you told me to buy odds on what player

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on the field was just gonna lay him out and
then walk over. And I've watched Juju Smith Schuster play
for years since he was at USC and at no
point that I ever think, Man, this guy is a
stone cold assassin. You don't want to mess with him
on the field. His CUE rating on the field for
don't f with me just went up like a thousand

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percent because that's a bad man that he took down. Now,
I wouldn't want to be Juju Smith Schuster the next
year when they get on the field, because I think
that Vontes might kill him, like I think he actually
might pick him up, throw him into the stands, beat
his brains into the goal post. I don't know what's
gonna happen. I don't know even know how you referee
this game next year with these guys on the field,
given what we saw tonight, I honestly don't now. At

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least you have a full year to get over it.
But if I were Juju Smith Schuster, I'd be looking
over my shoulder in the club this in the club
this year. I mean, that's the first thing I thought
when he knocked him out and then slowly walked over him,
was I can see this going off the field. We
That's the one thing the NFL has avoided so far,
and really pro sports in general, we've never had like that.

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I can think of an incident on the field. I mean,
we've had a few like oh I want to fight
you in the locker room in baseball and basketball and
hockey and everything else. But we've never had that I
can think of. We've had threats. I remember last year
I was at um I keep to leave that said
he couldn't wait to see Harry Douglas off the field
because they had the same agent, that he'd find him

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in Atlanta like that. We haven't had an incident that
I can think of, at least that's going public where
two guys who don't like each other because of on
the field related incidents having off the field related you know, showdown.
But I can see that happening after this hit. That
was my first thought when I was watching it. I
was like, oh, man, he's not gonna get him now.

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But if I'm Juju Smith Schuster, he may have won
the battle and lost the war there. I mean, I
don't know. I feel like that could spiral elsewhere. Ben
in Evansville, what's up? I just want to call and
get your opinion on how the interfl advertises you can't
watch the Monday Night preview or Sunday I preview without
a big hit in the commercial and then during the

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game a big hit is an issue. Well, look, I
mean I think you're right. I mean, the people love
car accidents. It drives me crazy when I am driving
on the road and there is a substantial hang up
and then you pull up and it's just a it's
a car accident. People like death and destruction. There's a
reason that violence sells. People say like, why, uh does

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there so much sex and violence in movies? Why is
there so much sex and violence in TV? Because sex
and violence cells. Now it can't be all of the product, right,
but in general, the NFL sells a little bit of
sex and violence themselves. Why are there so many shots
at cheerleaders accompanied by other shots of people getting knocked out?
Because as humans, especially as men, we like sex and violence,

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and if you're going to sell us something, you can
use the promos of sex and violence. Now, the NFL
has tried to tamp it down, right. The nfls tried
to say, oh, we're not gonna sell these big hit
you got what what what they used to have that
you got lit up or whatever it was? Uh segments
that they had to take off of television with the
concussion related incidents. That I think is the downside of
the NFL storyline. The way this thing is covered is

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it used to be you watched those big hits and
you don't really think about the long range impact and
how negative they are. Now they happen and you think, oh, man,
that's rough, Mike and Modesto, what's up? Clay? I thought
it was awesome myself because when I saw the hit,
I knew what that was right away. That was payback
for two thousand fifty for a hit on Brown all

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the way. But you know, Clay Smith Schuster on the
team he was going to survive as a coach because
he clearly lost this team back man. The guy can't
win his guard bitch, And the fact that he has
the job today it makes me wonder who he's dating
in the organization. I'll say that out play before politic politics,

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Studdard football. It's the lack of physicality that was like
eighties football, Clay, it was great back. Please. I know
some people out there like the reason I don't watch
football anymore because it's not physical enough. I think you
guys are crazy, and I understand like your argument about
eighties football. But players are a lot bigger, stronger, faster now,

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and the physical beat up that they get on a
regular basis is I think it's bad or worse now
than it ever has been before in the league's history.
So I don't really buy into the fact that the
league is a lot safer now or that there's a
lot less big hits. I think it's even more physically
demanding now because the players are bigger, stronger, faster, and

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when they do have those conflicts, they run into each other.
It is uh it's like a war. I mean, it
really is. And then their modern day gladiators, and I
think the balancing act between what's acceptable and what's unacceptable
when it comes to violence is always a challenge. But
Marvin Lewis seems unable to control his team and that's
why the third team for three happens like it did.

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All Right, I'm gonna tell you about the Supreme Court
on the flip side, But let me bring in eisen
Low and Cross for year first and get the update
Morning Clay. Early this morning, Pittsburgh Steelers general manager Kevin
Colbert issued a statement saying the linebacker Ryan Shazier it
was hospitalized after injuring his back in Monday nights when
at Cincinnati, will not require surgery at this time, continues

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to improve and is staying overnight at University of Cincinnati
Medical Center to continue evaluations. No further details about Chaser's
injury were released. In the game, the Steelers rallied from
a seventeen and nothing second quarter deficit, and in the
final seconds the money was on the table for Pittsburgh
kicker Chris Boswell. This is a thirty eight yard field

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goal to chip. The ball is on its way. That
kick is long enough, high enough, and that kick is good,
and the Pittsburgh Steelers climb from the grave, and we're
a football game. But at one point look impossible. My
final score of twenty three to twenty the venerable Bill
Hillgrove of the call on w d v E NBA
Monday Night. Golden State rallied from a twenty point deficit

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to win in New Orleans, but Steph Curry sprained his
right ankle in the process. X rays were negative. Finally,
in college basketball, lo Angelo Ball is withdrawing from u
c l A. The news Monday greeted with widespread witticisms
on social media, many noting that his career stat line
at u c l A only consisted of one steel at.

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Stephen Doug actually cleverly tweeting, quote, congratulations to Loe Angelo
Ball's former roommate on the single room next semester, unquote
that I love those single rooms. Clayt back to you.
It is unbelievable to me that I think we kind
of all knew when you're driving around in a Ferrari
that the sixteen year old Wamello or whatever his name

(23:54):
is probably unlikely to go to u c l A.
But to have this blow up, the guy, the happy
this guy anywhere has to be Actually, there have to
be a lot of happy guys. I bet everybody at
u c l A is ecstatic if the ball kids
never come to U c l A. I mean, I
just I find it hard to believe that there's anybody
out there who's like, man, we really need this mediocre

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guy who's never going to really make much of a
difference for us on the court, creating all of the
stir that he has off the court. And at least,
like you said, he got one steel to his name
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(24:37):
up in d C. And We've got a cool couple
of things schedule for today that I'll be able to
talk about tomorrow. But it was interesting when uh, the
reason why I was up here yesterday was the Supreme
Court is hearing an argument in the state of New Jersey.
Challenging a federal law that prohibits sports gambling. Now, there
are lots of you out there listening to me right

(24:57):
now who gamble on sports on a regular their basis,
and especially if you're under the age of I would
say forty five or fifty, you probably have on your
phone the ability to pull up and gamble on any
game that you want if you are a gambler. In
other words, the technology is far ahead of where the
law is, and a lot of you technically are breaking

(25:19):
the law every time that you fill out an n
C Double A tournament bracket. That's how broken our American
laws on sports gambling are. That if you bet with
your buddy about who's gonna win whatever, If you bet
last night on the Steelers and the Bengals with one
of your buddies, that's technically a violation of American law.
If you fill out an n C Double A tournament
bracket every year, that's technically a violation of American law.

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We are far behind the reality of gambling in our
current American laws, and it's happening everywhere. And you know,
Canada's ahead of us. They allow sports gambling to be legalized.
I was over in England this past summer. They gamble
on sports everywhere there. And when we have American football
games in London, you can walk across this read and

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bet on the games there. You can bet on apps
on your phone. All of these things are already happening.
So if you think it's strange that if you get
on a plane and you land in the state of
Nevada and you get off in Las Vegas, their sports
books and you can bet on anything. The state of
New Jersey agreed with you, and they said, look, we've
got all this Atlantic city gambling casinos. We want the
ability to also offer our own sports books here. Well,

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in Congress passed a law prohibiting sports gambling nationwide for
any states that didn't already allow it. And since then,
New Jersey is allowed how to referendum to allow its
voters to decide said yes, we want to gamble on sports.
And they've been in a five year legal battle, a
five year legal battle to try to get the right

(26:44):
for citizens in New Jersey and for other states to
have the right to make a determination that sports gambling
should be allowed. Now, forty four states have lotteries. If
you're listening to me, right now. Good chance you are
in a state where you can pull into a gas
station on your way to work this morning and buy
a scratch off lottery ticket and nobody even blinks. Some
of those scratch off lottery tickets are even sponsored by

(27:05):
NFL teams, which is crazy, Which means the NFL is
fine with licensing its logos to scratch off lottery tickets,
but not fine with you being able to bet on
who you think is gonna win a football game. So
we obviously spend a decent amount of time talking about
gambling on this show because I think it makes sports
more fun. I say that for this reason. It was
amazing to be in the Supreme Court yesterday. So I

(27:26):
got to go as a media member, and I show
up at the Supreme Court and I haven't fully read
the email, which is probably not gonna surprise anybody who's
listening to this show right now. And in the media section,
you're supposed to have a jacket and tie on. Well,
I'm sitting I mean, obviously I'm up early in the
morning here in the Sirius XM studios in d C
doing my show right now, and I didn't put on

(27:49):
a shirt and tie because I'm thinking I'm dressed fine.
The fact that I take a shower before the show
is like, to me the ultimate and grooming when you
compare me to a lot of other morning show hosts.
And so I roll in and the first thing a
woman says is, you can't go because you don't have
a shirt and tie. And I look around. There's lots
of men and women, and this is crazy. Right, everybody
knows what I'm talking about. Women are dressed totally normally. Right.

(28:11):
There's not a single woman there that is dressed in
the equivalent of a shirt and tie for a man.
I don't even know exactly what a shirt and tie
equivalent is for women, but I know women like business
casual can basically wear anything that they want. Nobody calls
a woman on anything, right, unless unless you got a
woman boss who's just really on top of what the
the the the attire is supposed to be. No man

(28:34):
ever goes up to a woman and says that her
outfit doesn't fit dress code because he has nothing to
gain by that, and next thing you know, he's getting
charge of sexual harassment. Men just assume that women can
wear anything they want, and it's business casual. So this
has to be a rule that's existed for like two
hundred years, and I didn't know that it existed. So
they waived the rule for me. The the the woman
who's there did an incredible job getting us in. It

(28:55):
was awesome. I sit in there, and this is one
of the coolest things I've got to do. Uh and
and I've got to do a lot of of pre
me things, but getting to watch an oral argument in
the Supreme Court about an issue that directly impacts sports. See.
I think that this is going to become one of
the major sports issues of the last thirty years. And

(29:16):
I would say in the last thirty years, there have
been three things that have fundamentally changed the way we
experienced sports. One I would say is cable. If you
think back to a day and pre cable and I'm
barely old enough to remember a pre cable era. I'm
the same age as the ESPN thirty eight years old.
If you try to imagine what sports would have been

(29:38):
like if cable television had never arrived, it's hard to
even contemplate how rare games used to be to be
on television, right. I mean that that in and of
itself is a pretty remarkable story. So Cable fundamentally altered
sports and the way that we consume sports, with ESPN,
with FS one, with the proliferation of all your regional

(29:59):
sports and that works. It basically put every game on
television for us. I'm old enough to remember when every
game wasn't on television. Nowadays, can you even remember the
last time, other than the NFL's antiquated like regional telecast problems,
I can't even think of the last time I wanted
to watch a game and it wasn't on And now
when you're When I was a kid, that was all

(30:21):
too common. But nowadays just about every game is actually on.
So television is number one in the last thirty years,
and things that fundamentally altered the way we experienced sports.
I would say number two is fantasy fantasy combining with
the Internet, because if you remember, maybe you're old enough
to have played fantasy sports. Before the internet existed, everybody

(30:44):
had to hand score, you had to hand draft. I
mean we're talking about a massive undertaking of time and
effort and also somebody there sending out the results and
even in a in an era before email was really popular,
like fantasy sports are a pale approximation of what they
would become with the Internet. And I still remember, like

(31:05):
I play playing right before Yahoo came in and introduced
an incredible Yahoo Live product. They are introduced, I think,
really high end fantasy at Yahoo and like, and then
everybody else started to copy it. And that really to
me is when the NFL ratings started to surge, when
everybody had an interest in every single team. I think

(31:28):
that sports gambling is now going to be the third
on that list cable along with fantasy football, and now
with sports gambling. I watched this argument yesterday live, and
I am it's always hard to to to tell for
sure from an oral argument, but if I were betting
right now, ironically enough, on the outcome of the Supreme

(31:49):
Courts gambling case, I would be very confident, and I
am very confident that they are gonna overturn this law,
which would mean that every single one of you out
there right now, living in a different state, your state
would have the right to decide whether or not you
would gamble on sports illegally. Now, I'm curious how many
people out there don't gamble now because they're worried about

(32:13):
the legality, but would gamble if it became legal on sports.
I'm gonna open up the phone lines eight seven seven,
six three six nine. My prediction for those of you
out there, I'll put on my lawyer hat here. I
felt like there were definitely four votes from the conservative
wing of the Supreme Court to say, hey, the state
of New Jersey deserves the right to decide whether or

(32:35):
not it's people are going to be able to bet
on sports, just like the state of Nevada did years ago,
and so I felt like there were four definite votes
for it. After watching the questioning, I feel like, just
as Anthony Kennedy, who is typically a swing vote, is
gonna be on the side of the four conservative tent Amendment,
the states deserve the right to make their own decisions.

(32:56):
And I think the sixth one actually surprisingly was Judge Bryer,
who typically is a is a left wing judge, but
this situation doesn't really have any strong connection to political leanings.
That's why it's kind of an interesting angle. Is this
is a decision that, you know, sports gambling is one
that isn't necessarily easy to typecast politically, and so I

(33:19):
think this is gonna happen. I think New Jersey in
about in April. In a few months, like four months,
I think New Jersey is gonna get the right to
allow sports gambling. And there are about ten states right
now that also have legislation patterned on New Jersey that
would immediately make sports gambling legal in their states as
well if this Supreme Court ruling comes down the way

(33:40):
I think it is. Do you guys agree with me
that this is a massive deal. Would it change the
way that you gamble? Would you be more likely to
do it if it became legal? I'm curious on your
thoughts eight seven seven, six three six nine. I'm Clay Travis.
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me go around the horn here with the crew, Jason Martin.
Do you think I I kind of touched on this
a little bit yesterday We're talking about the Supreme Court case,
which I think has the potential to fundamentally alter the
way we consume sports. In the third biggest way in
the last thirty years or so, I would say one
is Cable two and this is an order not necessarily

(34:47):
order of importance too, is fantasy football and fantasy sports
in general moving to the Internet. And I should say,
to a certain extent that is, maybe I should expand
fantasy football moving to the Internet as just the Internet
taking sports to another level and offering opportunities that would
not have otherwise existed. And to me, now the third choice,

(35:10):
the third potential massive paradigm shift in the world of sports,
would be legalized sports gambling, because I think it's around
a hundred and fifty billion dollar business that's billion with
a B in this country, according to several articles that
I have read, and bringing that out of the dark
and into the light, really I think will fundamentally change

(35:31):
the way the games are played, and the way they're presented.
Do you buy into me that those are the three
biggest storylines in terms of the impact of sports, and
that if sports gambling is a is truly legalized, that
it's going to change the way sports is covered. Yeah,
I agree. I thought you laid it up pretty well. Um,
gambling has just never been something that's particularly appealed to me.

(35:52):
But I've never understood why lotteries exist. In gambling, it's
so evil like, it's never made sense for me were
horse racing, Like, horse racing would not exist if you
could not gamble on horses, right, I mean literally, the
sport is entirely predicated on the fact that you can
gamble on horse racing. So, for instance, I've been to
the Kentucky Derby and in the media room where the

(36:15):
media sit and watch the horse race, they have their
own betting window, so you all can bet as media
members the same way that everybody else can. Literally, horse
racing would not exist as a sport, it would not
be on television, but for gambling, it's the reason it exists.
And so I've always thought it was crazy, not just
in the way that we have let's say the lottery,

(36:37):
but that we have a sport that's entirely predicated on
gambling and everybody does it. And frankly, I think it'll
be easier for a jockey to fix a horse racing
fat match than it would be one random football player
to impact directly over all the line and know what's
going to happen there. Yeah, like I said, I would
agree with you. I I don't know that in my

(36:58):
case it would make me more like to gamble if
it became legal. Maybe it would, I don't know. I
know that it makes things more interesting. That's the one
thing that does appeal to me about the gambling side,
as it does make you care about sports in a
different way. It makes you care about a wide variety
and certainly more teams than you otherwise wouldn't. I think
that's the same story with fantasy and why it's been
such a paradigm shift is that makes you care about

(37:20):
the entire league. It makes you care about Jags Brown's,
you know, on a Thursday night, because it could affect
you in your fantasy league. And I think that's a
good thing because it does make sports a little bit
bigger in your life and I think gambling does as well. Now,
there are certainly pitfalls to it, but I think they're
pitfalls to everything, And certainly I don't believe gambling is
anymore detrimental, and I think it would be safer and

(37:41):
better handled as a matter of fact, if it was
done that way than the way it's done now in
back alleys with loan Sharks and everybody else. Yeah, I
don't think there's any doubt at all. Let me take
a couple of your calls, Daniel in Virginia Beach. What
do you think? Daniel, Hey, good morning. Um, see real
quick out, sorry a real quick just I'm I'm a

(38:03):
young lawyer. So first off, when I turned on I
heard you talking about Supreme Court. I thought I was
on your sister station. I had to check my radio down.
But um, but yeah, the Spring Court breakdown was really
good and I definitely think that um with the decision, uh,
if it does come out positive, would be good. Uh
for if you're kind of a more conservative, federalist minded

(38:24):
person for temp amendment, because if the original law is
likely just a protectionist law pushed through by the people
who wanted it, like Nevada and the majority of other
people who just didn't want gambling in their states. And
as times change and the Internet, as you said, has
made a form of gambling there available to almost anyone
wherever you are, the idea of restricting it by geographical

(38:45):
location just kind of becomes nonsensical until, again, joining to
what you said, let's put it back in the individual
state and take it out of just kind of criminal
enterprise having to go to some shady barbershop or something
and put some money down. Um. As far as increase UM,
I go ahead. No, do you think it's gonna increase
the over I gotta let you go, because I got
a heart out here. I think it's going to increase

(39:06):
the number of people who gamble because I think there
are some people out there, and I think they're probably
a little bit older. Maybe because I think there's I
would maybe I would, Maybe I should put a poll
up on Twitter right now, like what percentage of my
audience gambles on sports via their phone? Like I would
actually be curious to know that. I'm gonna put that
up right now because technically that's illegal, um and under

(39:28):
existing American law. But I feel like everybody out there
who is under the age of forty. Pretty much who
gambles on sports does it from their phone. I think
the younger you are, the crazier you think that that's
considered a violation of the law. Like I think there's
twenty some things out there listening right now that have
grown up in an era where the phone in the
internet or omnipresent that are totally baffled by the idea

(39:51):
that could ever have been illegal. All Right, we'll continue
to unpack this a little bit eight seven, seven, six
three six nine. I also want to talk about Jim
Harvow versus more Dantonio. I want to talk about what
John Gruden said on Monday Night Football, and much more
to get to. As we get into our two of
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(40:11):
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(40:33):
waking up and spending your Tuesday morning with us. Will
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the Bengals with our guy Alex Marvez here in the
next segment, breaking down all of the NFL action, honestly
from the twelfth game of the season as we get
ready for Lucky number thirteen. There. But there are a
couple of additional stories that I want to get your

(40:55):
reaction to. First of all, I talked about going to
the Supreme Court yesterday and being able to see the
state of New Jersey argue that its citizens should be
able to legally gamble on sports. I asked the question
on our poll. Question is up right now on Twitter.
You can find me on Twitter at Clay Travis. Do
you presently gamble on sports online on a laptop or

(41:16):
computer or or on your phone? This is pretty high.
Almost half of you say that you are right now
doing that that is technically illegal under American law. But
I think many of you feel, as frankly I do,
that there's no harm in betting on a sporting event,
and that the convenience of having the ability to bet
from your phone or from your computer is worth the

(41:40):
fact that even though it's technically illegal under American law,
that the law is so far behind the reality of
how sports fans are living that technically, frankly, it's illegal
to do, for instance, an NC double A tournament bracket
that's gambling. I don't think most people think about that.
But if you put money into an NC double A
tournament pool, that is technically illegal under American law. Now,

(42:03):
I think just about every single person out there listening
to me right now has at some point or another
put five, ten, twenty dollars maybe more into an n
C double A tournament bracket pool and uh and gone
ahead and play that that's technically illegal. That's technically you
breaking the law. If you are betting your buddy, that's
technically you breaking the law. So I think most people

(42:23):
out there, myself included, feel like that this is an
absurd law. This is absurd the way that America is
still regulating sports gambling and just kind of shrug your
shoulders and say I'm gonna go ahead and do it.
And I think a big part of that is you
recognize how ridiculous. It is that if you get on
a plane and fly into the state of Nevada and
go to Las Vegas, you can bet legally on any
sport that you want. But as soon as you go

(42:45):
to California, or as soon as you go to Arizona
or any other state in the the the nearer region there,
you're not able to do it. I think that strikes
people as arbitrary, capricious, and frankly patently absurd. So that
is one thing we were talking about. The other thing
we're talking about about the start. Anyway, Jim Harbaugh, most
overrated coach in college football, finished fourth this year in

(43:07):
the Big Ten East. This follows finishing third the first
year at Michigan and third his second year at Michigan.
Well Mark D'Antonio was not happy when the Big Ten's
roster of bowls came out and Michigan jumped over Michigan
State in the bowl roster got the Outback Bowl bid,

(43:27):
even though Michigan State was nine and three, Michigan was
eight and eight and four, and Michigan State went on
the road and beat Michigan head to head in the
Big House. Mark D'Antonio had this to say in his
press conference discussing the new Bowl game Mark. The natural
fan reaction, naturally is they see Michigan chosen by the
Outback Bowl to fewer wins lost head to head there,

(43:51):
What is your sort of message to them and what
I mean, I'm sure some of your players feel the
same way when they see that. That slight a little bit. Well,
I just look at it an opportunity to play the
Holiday Bowl right now, you know, um, you know, the
records are what they what they are. You know, I'll
just continue to concentrate on beating Michigan. Let's think sort
of sort out. Well. Jim Harbaugh did not take that well,

(44:13):
so he took to Twitter and said, saw coach d
comments on continuing to quote focus on quote how he
can beat Michigan, congrats on turning around to three and nine,
team plagued with off field issues. Good for Big ten
to have him back zing and then Mark D'Antonio decided
that he was going to fire back on Twitter for

(44:35):
all spartans, it's not over, it never will be over.
It's just getting started. And uh, that is a response.
Earlier when he made in his first year at Michigan State,
he lost to the Wolverines, and when asked about a
mocking celebration after the game, D'Antonio warned that pride comes
before the fall, before including that things were just getting started.

(44:58):
Now here are some stats for Jim hart All. I
think Jim Harbaugh has become an interesting side show whose
performance on the field is not frankly justified by his
actual results. And let me hit you with some of
these results. Here. D'Antonio right now against Jim Harbaugh is
two to one head to head, so in their three games,

(45:19):
he is two to one. In an elite he's won
two out of three games, both of them by the
way he's won at the Big House. Jim Harbaugh also
owing three against Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer has yet to
lose to Ohio State. That makes Jim Harbaugh's trash talk
a little bit difficult for me to take. But here
a couple of other things. Mark D'Antonio has won the
Big Ten East Division three times. Jim Harball has not

(45:40):
won it at all. Mark D'Antonio has three Big Ten titles,
Jim Harbaugh has none. And Mark D'Antonio has beaten Ohio
State three times. Jim Harbaugh has not managed to do
that at all. So when I see this feud kind
of explode out into public a little bit, I don't

(46:01):
find Jim Harbaugh's feuding here to be as interesting or
fun or that like justified in any way. At this point,
Hardball just seems to me like a pathetic loser who's
trying to interject himself into a story that he frankly
doesn't belong in. If I were a Michigan State fan,
I would think that Michigan State deserves to go to

(46:23):
the better Bowl. And right now, Jim Harbaugh has done
nothing to support all of the attention that he has
gotten in college football. He's being paid as if he's
Urban Meyer or Jim Harbaugh, and the reality is he's
the fourth best coach in his own division right now.
If you had to draft coaches in the Big Ten East,
I think you would have to take certainly Urban Meyer one.

(46:44):
I'd probably go James Franklin too. I'd probably go Mark
D'Antonio three, and I'd go Jim Harbaugh four. So all this,
you know, Oh, we're gonna go overseas and have our
have our thing in Rome, have our spring practice in Rome. Oh,
we need satellite camp so I'm gonna fire away at
people on Twitter starting to look kind of pathetic. At

(47:06):
some point, you have to put your money where your
mouth is and actually demonstrate that you're worth the seven
million dollars a year that you're being paid if you're
Jim Harbaugh, and so far he hasn't come close to
justifying that. Again, Jim Harbaugh so far at Michigan has
gone third in the Big Ten East, third in the
Big Ten East, fourth in the Big Ten East. He

(47:26):
came in fourth in his own division this year, and
he's taken shots at D'Antonio four. Frankly, what I believe
is legitimate griping from Mark D'Antonio. Look, if you're going
to slot teams into bowl games, you should do it
based on how they did in the season. And if
Michigan State beat Michigan head to head on the road
in the Big House, they should get to go to

(47:48):
the Outback Bowl over Michigan. And to me, Jim Harbaugh
firing back and saying like trying to come after the
coach that beat him is really kind of pathetic. I mean, like,
you're the head coach of Michigan, you shouldn't be losing
to your little brother at Michigan State, and then you
shouldn't be sending out tweets like saw coach d comments
on continuing to focus on how he can beat Michigan,

(48:09):
congrats on turning around to three and nine team plagued
with off field issues. Good for Big ten to have
him back, all right, Like, you can take that shot.
But if I were marked D'Antonio, I'd come right back
over the top and say to Jim Harbaugh, congrats on
your fourth place finish in the Big Ten East. Bang
mic drop, you finished fourth in the Big Ten East, Dude,

(48:30):
You beat Maryland, you beat Rutgers, and you beat who
else is the other crappy team in the Big ten
East at the bottom of the Big Ten East. I
can't even remember. That's how far down the list you are.
Jim Harbaugh. You didn't beat Michigan State, you got destroyed
by Penn State, and you lost for a third straight
year to Urban Meyer. I think Jim Harbaugh is okay,

(48:51):
but this behavior as he continues to not win, it's
not really that endearing anymore. Steve Spurry, You're used to
always take shots at everybody in the SEC, and people
came to like Steve Spurrier for his shots, you know,
like he called Florida State University freeshoes University, and he
called um after a shoplifting issue, right with Peter Warwick.

(49:14):
I think it was he called uh, he called Tennessee
said you can't spell Tennessee. Uh. You can't spell ut
with that, can't spell citrus without ut. That's a pretty
good line when he was beating Tennessee. But what was
key about Spurrier gigging everybody else in the SEC. He
also said he liked to play Georgia early in the
year when he was the South Carolina coach because they

(49:35):
usually had some players suspended for that game. I mean,
those are really good lines, right, They go after all
the different rivals that he might have had. But the
difference was Spurrier one at a really high level. And
so you can talk a little bit of trash when
you're winning at a high level. Jim Harbaugh has not
won anything at Michigan, and he's been paid and heralded

(49:55):
and the media has given him attention like he's the
equivalent of Urban Fire and Nick Saban, and he's nowhere
near them. I mean, Jim Harbaugh is somewhere around that.
Maybe the tenth to twelve the best coach in college
football right now based on his results, that might be
too high. Even he's the most overrated coach in the
history of college football. I think that's fair to say

(50:16):
based on what he has achieved so far at Michigan
relative to what the expectations were. Now, maybe next year
he'll be better and he'll come back and he'll win
a national championship. But most places, it was year two
and year three when guys ascended to a different level.
Go look at what's going on elsewhere. Nick Saban, year
two nearly wins a national championship, Year three national championship,

(50:41):
Urban Meyer at Florida, Year to national championship, Urban Meyer
at Ohio State. I believe year three national championship like
these are the standards that usually dominant coaches rise to
in year three. Now Michigan fans can make all the
excuses in the world they want. Oh, we don't have
a quarterback. Oh it's too early in Jim Harbaugh's recruiting tenure.

(51:02):
Why is his performance declining every year? Why is he
now so much worse than year three? Shouldn't his guys
be coming in, shouldn't this quarterback whispering head coach have
a really good quarterback by now? I think all these
are very valid questions. And when he gets into this feud,
I don't think it makes Frankly him look very good.

(51:23):
And I think all the satellite camp fights and tweeting
at coaches and everything else, if you're gonna gig somebody,
you gotta win at a high level. And when you're
not winning and you're taking shots at people, and when
you're taking shots at a coach who beat you two
out of three years, I think it just makes you
look bad. I think Michigan fans have to agree with
me on some level, like, dude, if you haven't won anything,

(51:43):
shut your mouth and try to figure out a way
to not be one in five against Michigan State and
Ohio State in your first six games against your biggest arrivals.
Figure out a way to finish better than fourth in
the East. All of those things would be I think
kind of imperative. If you're Jim Harbaugh and you want
to open your mouth and fire away at rival coaches,

(52:03):
we'll talk about that a little bit more. Maybe take
some of your calls. But up next, Alex Marves to
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(52:25):
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how in the world do we still will have a
situation in this world where Marvin Lewis is employed by
the Cincinnati Bengals. Well, because there's Cincinnati Bengals, right, and listen,

(53:07):
I think that's going to be changing soon enough. But
how crazy is this the Hugh Jackson scenario, which to
me probably is the Bengals way in all this unless
they make a radical change. And knowing this organization a bit,
I can tell you, Hugh Jackson, out of all the
places you could go, especially even if you finish owing
sixteen as a head coach, Cincinnati would be that one
place if he gets fired by the Cleveland Browns, because

(53:29):
in all likelihood, Marvin Lewis would serve as a buffer
between him and Mike Brown. Helped that transition. Their very
close friends, Hugh and Marvin continue to talk every week.
You know, they're I mean, they're just they're confidence, so
to speak. And Mike Brown, you know, in his early eighties,
doesn't want to change. I mean, he's obson in this.
He's given Marvin Lewis every single chance to get this
Bengals team right. It's the same old stuff that goes

(53:50):
on every Bengals game and the Pittsburgh Steelers. I mean, look,
you know that one team is going to collapse in
the fourth quarter between the Steelers and the Bengals. It's
gonna be the Bengals, right, And it just goes on
and on and on. And I think everything that you
saw last night of the Bengals was a microcasm of
what Marvin Lewis has been unable to accomplish during his
time with the Bengals fielding a discipline team that can
take advantage of ample talent. So you think Marvin Lewis

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will be back, and you think there's a good chance
they hire Hugh Jackson back as offensive coordinators as head coach,
I think Marvin moves in the front of you. Okay,
he's gonna be what he's gonna be like the GM
or what said? Well, no, like you know, they could
listen if Marvin wants to coach somewhere. Look look at
this list of potential head coaches, and I mean, you
know all about head coaches with the Tennessee volunteers and
how hard it is to find the right guy to
run your program right now? Right Who excites you among

(54:36):
NFL assistant coaches right now? Who excites you among head
coaching candidates, especially in the league where you're talking about
maybe twenty of the teams are talking about a head
coaching change. Who's who's out there that really gets your
juices flowing? That hot young assistant, that guy that deserves
a second chance. Who do we got out there? Yes,
it's a fantastic question, right, I mean, that's it's not

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like it's not like college where you can go and
just hire away a guy who you know is successful,
because they actually enforce contracts in the NFL, And so
even if you like a guy, you have to wait
until his contract expires. You can there's all the rules
about what exactly allows you to hire away another coach.
I mean they're very specific about, you know, restricting the
movement of coaches in the NFL compared to college football. Yeah,

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and I mean, you know, you look at the best
teams right now. Maybe Pat Shermer gets another shot, you know,
offensive coordinated to the Minnesota Vikings. You're talking John d.
Philippo talked up from the Philadelphia Eagles. Their quarterbacks coach
Jim Schwartz potentially getting another chance. Maybe he'll keep throwing
that red hanky like he did on Thanksgiving Day. I mean,
they're just they're just aren't guys right out there right now.
That really make you say, wow, I want to go
hire him away. You know, Josh McDaniels is obviously going

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to get a lot of run. But where I'm going
with this is, listen, if Marvin Lewis is out there
as a free agent as a head coach, there's probably
gonna be a team that has interest in hiring him
because he had He did turn around a Bengals program
and for a long period of time this Bengals team
was viable. Along the way he lost this team. The
discipline of this squad just simply is an there. They
don't know how to win close games against quality opposition.

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It goes on and on and on, and you know
last night again a microcosm of that. But again I
think Hugh Jackson because of you know, Mike Brown initially
wanted to have a succession plan in place so when
Marvin wasn't coaching, Hugh Jackson could take over the team.
Hugh got the opportunity in Cleveland. I could see him
coming back. I could even see some Bengals fans actually
excited to see Hugh Jackson because Hugh has done something
masterful here during his time, winning one game with the

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Cleveland Browns, he has found scapegoats to basically take advantage,
you know, to basically put it all on them. And
of course Sashi Brown has failed spectacularly as a general manager.
Every time we see Carson Wentz out there, Clay, we
see a guy that you know, hey, why did the
Browns pass on him? All at Sashi's fault? Right, And
I mean, so Hugh gets that pass. So I'm pretty
sure that Listen, even if if Bengals Nation, I mean,
of course would be fitting right higher a guy who

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goes oh in sixteen is your next head coach. But
but trust me, this is a scenario that I think
is most likely if Marvin Lewis is out as head
coach of the Bengals. So you think the Bengals could
go from could fire Marvin Lewis and hire a guy
who's likely to have gone one and thirty one as
a head coach and his two previous years only the
Bengals absolutely, And I could see Martin think the math

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right there, right, I'm trying to do the math in
my head, and it's so hard to say one and
thirty one the Bengals. By the way, I saw a
stat out and I retweeted it. They are four and
forty five since November. How hard is that to manage
to pull off? It's almost impossible, right, I mean even
if you were trying to do it right mathematically, I mean,
like the odds would tell you that this is almost impossible.

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For the way the Cleveland press aren't. God are they terrible?
And I mean they just fall apart in it. But
you know, again, you know who set this roster, right,
I mean, we're gonna play that game now too. But
look when j does things like he did a couple
of weeks ago against the Detroit Lions, where you're calling
a running play with fifteen seconds left and no time out,
so you're not exactly distinguishing yourself as a head coach either.
But you know that being said, I really think that. Look, Mark,

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I don't think you can bring Marvin back. Even Mike Brown,
who's so loath to fire a coach. Listen, it was
painful for him to fire Mike Schula after nineteen and
fifty fifty one, okay or fifty two. I was, they're
covering the team in the mid nine nineties when this happened,
he wanted to Dave Yeah, he want no Dave. Dave
shoots sorry. He wanted to give Dave every chance to
become a successful head coach. And year after year he

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kept bringing him back, and year after year he kept
getting the same results, and finally he decided he needed
to make a change. Mike will give you as much
rope as you need usually as a head coach. But
I think Marvin Lewis has run out of it. All. Right,
let's talk about the playoff picture. The big takeaway I
think of this game last night, aside from the Bengals
just being the Bengals, was the Steelers preserved their potential

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home field advantage. They still have that big game I
believe it's on the seventeenth of December against New England.
With New England coming to Pittsburgh. Who is the favorite
in the a f C between these two right now?
Would you take the Steelers or would you take the Patriots?
I would take the Patriots. I'm gonna tell you why
I think Pittsburgh after that type of game you saw
last night. And listen, Fortunately for Ryan Shays here and
we can talk about this as well. But but you know,

(58:50):
his temporary paralysis on the field was just absolutely horrifying.
I've been through, you know, watching a covering a situation
like that. It reminded me when Scott Bromfield of the
Since and Nattie Bengals collided head on with the tight
end named Troy Sadowski on the field, you know, up
in Baltimore, and Scott couldn't use his legs and you know,
I stayed around the hospital for a couple of days

(59:10):
covering the story and it was just horrifying, right, I mean,
the guy couldn't move and you saw that. But especially
Monday night clipball, the big deal about it. So shaves here.
You've gotta figures not playing. So the Stellers just lost
their top linebacker. They are a beat up team after
last night. It's always collateral damage, right when the Bengals
play the Steelers, somebody is going to go down for
the season. Somebody's gonna suffer a major injury. They've got

(59:31):
to play the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday Night football and listen,
I don't I don't think that that's you know, I
think that's the game that Ravens are gonna win. Quite honestly.
I mean, so if you look at it like that
coming off a short week. Then this page the Patriots,
you know, they're playing a little bit with house money here.
Of course the Steelers win, everything gets equal and and
Pittsburgh's the schedule does love. A lot of the year
goes on, but these Steelers have had a tendency to

(59:51):
play down to the rock position a little bit. And
look the Patriots, you know, now it's what how many
how many straight games? Eight straight games? Seventeen or fewer
points given up by the defense? They've straight and doubt
what they were doing wrong earlier. They're not the same
dominant New Zengland team as before. But you know, as
Ric Flair would say, to be the man, you have
to beat the man. Well, the Patriots are still the man.
We'll see what the Steilers can do. Is there anybody

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else in the a f C that can contend? You've
got the Titans right now at eight and four. Then
you've got whatever the hell is going on, I'll get
to that in a minute in the NFC West Jacksonville,
Baltimore right now. And is there anybody else that contends
with the Steelers or the Patriots in the a f C.
You know, I want to put faith in the Chargers.
But that's really hard, right, I mean, there are the
Chargers and they find ways to let you down. But man,

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I mean Keenan Allen right now, he is He is
so ridiculous a wide receiver. Nobody's talking about this guy.
I've got the numbers in front of me right here,
Clay and Keenan Allen right now has caught thirty three passes,
four hundred thirty six yards and four touchdowns in three games.
Think about those numbers, catching eleven that when you put
Bosa and Ingram together, the pass rushers, they have twenty sacks.

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The Bucks this season have seventeen. As an entire defense,
these guys have twenty. Philip Rivers is playing great football.
Anthony Lynn has them, has them hot, and I mean
that's the thing about him. I mean this Chargers team,
I know, we're talking history. No team except for the
ninety two Chargers, has ever overcome Oh and Forward to
get into the postseason. But with Kansas City stumbling and
the Raiders just looking like blah, I think this Chargers
team could actually be dangerous. And of course they would

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set NFL history, by the way, if they win this division,
because they would be the first team to ever host
a home playoff game as a road game because the
stadium would be filled from the other team and it's
a tiny stadium on top of that. All right, let's go.
So we've got the two probably best quarterbacks in the
a f C in terms of their consistency at the
top of the a f C and the Steelers and

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in the Patriots, and the flip side is true. In
the NFC. You've got case Keenom, You've got Carson Wentz,
and you've got Jared Goff. Those are one to three
in the seeds in the NFC right now, and then
you've got guys that are kind of proven behind them,
Drew Brees, Russell Wilson won a couple of Super Bowls
there between them, and obviously Cam Newton at the six

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spot with the Carolina Panthers. Do you bull leave in
the top three teams in the NFC right now? Are
you believing in the Vikings? Are you believing in the Eagles?
And how about the Rams? You know, not with the
same conviction I have with New England for example, And
a lot of it is just because these teams aren't
tried and true. But every time you throw a challenge
in front of case keen and the guy responds, right,
I mean twenty five or thirty passing the other day
against Atlanta, two touchdowns, no interceptions. I mean that's fantastic, right,

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And I mean in that defense, oh my gosh, they
playing well and it really starts up front. But you know,
to hold Matt Ryan. He had this long streak going
of consecutive games with at least two passing yards. I
mean they held him like one seventy eight. I mean
that's just on the road. I mean, that's just absolutely ridiculous.
So I think though the Vikings it will be interesting
as well because right now they have that number one seed.
But the Aaron Rodgers revenge game is on the horizon,

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as we know in week sixteen, and that's gonna be
a fun one. When they were at hopefully we'll be
back and gets his shot at Anthony Barr and company.
Philadelphia came back to Earth a little bit. I thought.
I thought that the Eagles was a really curious game plan.
Not a lot of shots down field against that Seahawks defense,
you know, especially considering the problems in their secondary. But
maybe that's because Carson Wentz was running for his life
a lot as well. Of course, the Rams aren't any

(01:03:03):
slouch as either. We'll see, and that's going to really
tell us a lot about both teams. I think on
Sunday when the Eagles play the Rams, that's an outstanding game.
But how do you know, Drew Brees right now, this
team to me is looking very dangerous. They really are
with camera out of the backfield going to be the
NFL offensive Brookie of the Year combined with mark Ingram.
They're playing good enough defense to get by. I mean
it's complementary defense, but you know what they're putting up

(01:03:24):
on offense. I mean, it's not like they have to
hold teams to to, you know, four teen points to
win games. They are a very very dangerous squad. What
they did to Carolina, I mean that was a tail
kicking and then Carolina was red hot going in there.
What do you see among the teams in the NFC.
I mean, obviously you just mentioned the big win that
the Vikings got on the road against the Falcons. Do

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you think the Falcons are able to make a run.
Is there anybody else that you look at? I mean,
as Dallas back in the mix is Green Bay gonna
be able to stay alive till Aaron Rodgers comes back.
The Lions seem like they're in rough shape. Is there
any team in the NFC that you like that isn't
currently in the layoffs that you think, you know what,
this team can get hot and make a run in
the final four weeks of the season. The problem Atlanta has,

(01:04:06):
it's a good problem and it's a bad problem. All
four of the remaining games are against division opponents, so
they can make some hey, but two of them are
against New Orleans and one of them is against Carolina,
and you gotta figure it's gonna take ten wins to
make the postseasons so in the NFC. So that's that's
where it gets a little rough for them, you know,
for Dallas, you know, it levels out a little bit.
But first to the two bad things happen to the
Cowboys this past week, and it's totally out of their control.

(01:04:28):
But the first was the firing of Ben McAdoo. The
Cowboys needed Ben McAdoo to coach on Sunday, and I
say that because that would have been the focusing of
all the Giants fan, all Giants fans, all the anger
for those people who showed up, it would all be
directed to Geno Smith and at Ben McAdoo. And now
that Elie Manning is back, you know, the crowd's gonna
show up again. You know, people are gonna fill the
stadium again and they are going to be going crazy

(01:04:50):
for Eli Manning. So would once appeared a cake walk,
now I think it's gonna be pretty difficult for the
Dallas Cowboys. And again not a lot of room for air.
The other thing is with Philadelphia having that setback against Seattle,
all of a sudden, the Eagles bumped out of that
number one seed week seventeen. Everyone's thinking, oh yeah, the
Eagles will rest their guys and and the Cowboys can
win that game easily. Well not a Philadelphia is playing
for for a top you know, playoffs seed to get

(01:05:11):
that first round by So both of those things work
against the Dallas Cowboys. You know, you look at the
Detroit Lions and it's like, you know, because they do
have a better division record than green Bay, and green
Bay is getting aerin back and on green Bay has
to do is be Cleveland on Sunday that to be
rolling again. But you know, do we trust the Packers
as well? They got to play the Vikings week sixteen,
like I talked about, they got Detroit on the road

(01:05:32):
coming up in week seventeen, and the Lions, if nothing else,
they already beat him once this season. I mean, it's
it's a little bit of a rough go here. And
of course Carolina no slouts there in Week fifteen, so
it's it's just murky. But I will tell you this play.
Ever since the NFL adopted it's it's playoff format, the
eight divisions, thirty two teams in two thousand two, every
year one team that's been six and six or worse

(01:05:54):
entering week and you know, entering the game of the
season has gone on to make the playoffs. So it's
not uncommon for a team to get hot. But I'm
just struggling to find a team that I really wanted,
like you know, cast my lot with and say, yeah,
I'm sure they're going to rally and make it in.
The Charges are the best ones, and I don't trust
the Chargers. We're talking to Alex Marvez. Go follow him
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(01:06:16):
in an hour two to break down the NFL stories
you touched on it there with Eli Manning with the Giants,
with everything surrounding McAdoo. What happened there in that situation?
In general? Why did they make the mistake that they
made about pulling Eli Manning? Why now fired the head coach?
Don't they need a director of common sense at the
New York Giants to tell them how this was going
to pan out? It seems very strange. Well, you know,

(01:06:39):
and that's the thing that John Marrin needs is a buffer,
right like what they did in Jacksonville between ownership and
the head coach and the general manager and having an
executive that knows what he's doing, which is unlike John
Merra right now because for a long time he could
lean on Tom Coughlin, and Tom, to his credit, you know,
guided this team, you know, and there was that split
head coach general manager. But you know, you had you
had an experienced guy in Tom colf and he's been

(01:07:00):
there and done that, and you know, you always knew
that the franchise would more than likely make the right
decision right in terms of bigger picker issues, they wouldn't
keep you know, you would like to think that a
domestic serial, domestic abuser wouldn't be on your team like
Josh Brown, and then you sit there and try to
defend him and leave your head coach high and dry,
like they did last year to Ben McAdoo to try
to defend him. You would like to think that you
wouldn't handle the Odell Beckham junior situation the way that

(01:07:22):
they did, which is enabling him. John Merrick coming out
and saying, of course, we're going to make him the
highest paid wide receiver in NFL history. So when you
say something like that, why should Odell Beckham Jr. Change
his ways? Why should he not? You know, pretend like
he's a dog paying on a football when he scores
a touchdown, right, I mean there's no there's no repercussions.
He's still gonna get paid. So I think they need
like an adult in the building. I think that's part

(01:07:42):
of the thing with the Giants. I think they need
somebody there that has had head coaching experience that is
going to draw respect and build a relationship with Odell
Beckham Jr. The best coaches, my feeling, in sports, are
the ones who are not just trade away players getting
rid of players that that you don't get along with.
His easy it's getting the difficult guys to play for
you and to buy in. And someone needs to get
to Odell Beckham Jr. And get him to buy in,

(01:08:03):
get him to buy into the off season program, get
him to buy into the fact. Yeah, the Giants are
gonna give you this contract, there's some responsibilities that go
with that. So that's where I think things went awry.
I look at the very top. I wrote about it
the Sporting News dot Com and starts with John Mara
and has trickled its way down. When you see that
Kirk Cousins kind of sweepstakes, it's already starting. I saw
odd Shark has odds up on where he's going to

(01:08:25):
end up. Who would you make the favorite to sign
Kirk Cousins? Is that Jacksonville is at Denver? Is it?
I don't know, Maybe maybe the Cardinals. Where is Kirk
Cousins gonna be playing football next year? And how much
money is he gonna make? The Washington Redskins and will
make thirty four million dollars because they will franchis. I
think the Redskins are gonna kee him. Oh yeah, they're
not losing him. I mean they're I mean they've already
started playing. You know why the San Francisco trade for

(01:08:47):
Jimmy Garoppolo, right, I mean, you know, make you make
that move because you're afraid that you can't get Kirk Cousins.
I mean, the forteen Honors have more than a hundred
million dollars in camp space available. I mean, think about that.
I mean that that's what they're gonna be rolling into
next season with. So if they're afraid that they're going
to use and be able to use a tag, successfully
use a franchise tag, which apparently you know, there's debate
about whether they can or they can't use it. Play

(01:09:09):
that I think they couldn't use it on him again
that No, that's unclear. It's it's really unclear about where
things are at because the quarterback position is a different
position than it is another position. So that's where things
get a little bit hazy about this. But even if
you transition tag him, there's a real possibility that the
Redskins match whatever offer comes his way down they do
not they have no other answer at the quarterback position.

(01:09:31):
What do the Redskins do if they don't have Kirk Cousins.
You're not playing Colt McCoy. You don't have a draft
pick waiting in the wings. You're not bringing back r
G three. You've got nothing, right, I mean, so, and
you're not You're not in a position to draft high
enough to be assured that you're going to get that
quote franchise quarterback. So they're host I mean, they have
to stick with Kirk Cousins now. Work. It's interesting to
me is I'm looking ahead to on Kirk Cousins, And

(01:09:53):
why do I say that, in all likelihood Jimmy Garoppolo
is going to play under a franchise tag in for
the forty Niners at that point, if Jimmy Garoppolo isn't
all that in a bag of doughnuts like they think
he is. And listen, he did a nice job against Chicago,
but it's not like he set the world on fire.
The guy didn't get his team in the end zone.
But the point is, if Garoppolo isn't that guy for
the forty Niners after eighteen, they can let him go

(01:10:15):
and then start to focus again on Kirk Cousins and
keep this dallion's going. So it's I just I don't
see the Redskins losing this guy. And I think they
put those plans in place again by being very conscious
in free agency, by clearing the cap space is going
to be needed to one way or another. Key Kirk
Cousins in the folder. Look, Jacksonville probably gonna be looking
at Eli Manning if the Giants are willing to part
ways with him and Eli wants to go somewhere else.

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If you're picking that high as the Giants potentially are,
and you can get a young franchise quarterback, Eli doesn't
want to be around to be a mentor. He wants
to play. He doesn't want to get bench during the season,
and he has a no trade clause in his contracts,
so you have to let him go. As for Denver,
I don't know what they're doing out there. Play that
is a complete disaster. Paxton Lynch. They're just hoping to
see him for a couple of weeks making evaluation. But
John Elway's plan of going cheap at quarterback, building a

(01:10:59):
great running game, doing a great defense not so good
right now, No doubt at all. Alex Marvez, thanks as
always for joining us. We'll talk to you next week.
Sounds good. You guys have a coach by then, I
think so, Yes, I think Tennessee will have a coach
by then. Okay, very very good, fingers crossed good stuff.
That's Alex Marves speaking of which we'll talk about that

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Tuesday morning with us. There has been much discussion everywhere

(01:13:52):
about the college coaching carousel and the search that has
gotten the most attention. Well, we've got a couple of
different ones. One guy's do we have the her Edwards
audio where her med words got introduced yesterday and seemed
to be unaware that the Arizona state was the sun Devils.
Let's first play that. Because this search I feel like

(01:14:13):
has been totally under the radar and not talked about
very much. Because the Tennessee searches and all the bigger
jobs have kind of soaked up all the oxygen. But
let's not underrate the incompetence of the Arizona State coaching staff.
They actually I mean coaching search here, they actually are
keeping all of the assistant coaches on staff. And her

(01:14:33):
Med Words is coming in in some sort of CEO role.
We read, uh the the the announcement which made no
sense from Arizona State. Well, her Med Words showed up
for the press conference and he got a question from
a writer at at at a Devil den. I think
you need to listen to this. Remember, Arizona State is
the sun Devils. It appears that it's possible her meed

(01:14:55):
Words is not aware aware of what the Arizona State
mascot is. Here's this, I'm on the train. I'm on
the train. By the way, I'm on the train and
I'm gonna ride. I will ride this train until until
it stops. It's not gonna stop. Some people who question,
well you have a coach in a long time, you
haven't been on the field. Turn the TV on Wednsday.
I'll be back in studio in Bristol and I'll be

(01:15:17):
coaching football. By the way, that's what I do. I
coach football, and I've been coaching football my whole life.
You don't, you don't forget how to coach. They're not
bringing me here to play Devil's Digest. H are you located,
my man? I'm I'm Catholic. Now I'm a Christian. Watch
out them devils? And then he went on and on

(01:15:41):
about how they were devils and did he not realize
that the reason why they're called the Devil Digest is
because Arizona State is the Sun Devils? Is he aware
of what the mascot is for the for the Sun Devils? That?
Where was he totally out to lunch? Here? What happened?
Let's pull the crew here, Jason Martin is do you
think herm Edwards was aware of the Sun Devil connection?

(01:16:04):
I mean, I think he knows they're the Sun Devils,
but I think he may have forgotten and gotten confused.
There is no question in my mind he did not
know the tie in at all. That is not a
good look. That's right up there with the when f
I you hired Isaiah Thomas and when they announced them,
they said, Isaiah Thompson, this is gonna go so poorly?
What about l A. Do you guys think that he

(01:16:25):
made the connection to the sun devils or what do
you what do you think is going on there? Do
he even know where he was? I mean, look, so
I wake up and I see this on Twitter. I
click on it, and I'm laughing. I looked down at
the first comment, and the first comment says this is
gonna end so badly, and that's pretty much wraps it up.
I just again, this is my argument for just having

(01:16:49):
a random Arizona State person as your director of common
sense who's sitting in the office and you're like, hey,
here's what we're thinking about doing. We're thinking about hiring Herm.
Ed Words as the new coach here at Arizona State.
But on top of that, we're not gonna fire any
of the assistant coaches. So I don't even understand how Herm.
Edwards accepts this job when he comes in and he

(01:17:09):
doesn't even get to pick his coaches. Like I've never
even heard of this happening where you basically just replaced
the head coach and everything else stays the same. Like
it is baffling to me. It is utterly baffling. To
me that this could ever have been the situation. Robert,
what do you think Do you think he had any
idea what was going on here? Oh? No way, no
way at all. I mean you could tell you. I

(01:17:31):
mean when the media was laughing, it was like a
half hearted laugh because they couldn't tell if he was
being serious or not. He was totally confused on that one. Alright,
So the Arizona State Higher is a disaster. It hasn't
gotten that much attention. I'm sorry Sun Devil fans as
you wake up across the country and you're listening to
us in the state of Arizona. I apologize. You fired

(01:17:51):
Todd Graham for a guy who doesn't even know who
your mascot is. But at least you've got a coach.
Unlike Tennessee. Last night during Monday Night Football, they decided
to discuss the coaching opening at the University of Tennessee
and Sean McDonough it sounded like he made Jon Gruden
a little bit uncomfortable. Listen to this hopefully be a

(01:18:14):
matter of time. Been a long while since they have
solved that. Yes, Well, if you had just answered the
call and said yes, you could have saved it going
awful lot of trouble there, Rocky Tuck, that is, Sean
McDonough taking a shot at at the Tennessee coaching search
as well, and Phil Fulmer. I believe the new athletic

(01:18:34):
director is up in the in the in New York City,
they have like the Hall of Fame dinner and everybody
gets together for the College Football Awards season ceremony. Obviously,
the Heisman Trophy is also going on this weekend. I
feel like one thing the playoff has done is killed
the Heisman Trophy ceremony. But the guys that Tennessee is
talking about now, Chad Morris, Kevin Steele, Les Miles. I've

(01:18:57):
heard a lot of scuttle butt that maybe the play
at Tennessee is gonna be too higher less Miles bring
in t Martin as kind of a coach in waiting,
former University of Tennessee quarterback current usc uh the offensive coordinator,
and then try to make a run at Auburn's defensive
coordinator Kevin Steele, who also is a former Tennessee GUI.
That might happen. Who knows exactly what's gonna happen. I'm

(01:19:18):
out of the prediction game now. When it comes to Tennessee.
This is like Game of Thrones meets uh meets the
Smokey Mountains. Nobody has any idea what exactly is going
on at Tennessee. But Arkansas is also in the coaching search.
But the coaching carousel and the playoff discussion has totally
killed the Heisman Trophy buzz. There are three guys going
to the Heisman Trophy ceremony. Baker Mayfield's gonna win. It's

(01:19:40):
a massive favorite. There's no need to watch that ceremony
on Saturday. Probably Lamar Jackson is gonna come in second
and Bryce Love from Stanford is gonna come in third.
But it used to be that the Heisman Trophy was
a major point of discussion, and I think the discussion
around the playoff, in conjunction with all the coaching hires,
have just totally killed it. Now. Maybe that's also a

(01:20:01):
function of Baker Mayfield in the ease with which he
is gonna win this award, But I do think the
Heisman has lost some of its mystique in a playoff era.
And as the coaching season happens, everybody's moving all over
the place. Fans are generally speaking a lot more interested
in who's gonna be the coach wherever their favorite school
is next year, and they're a lot more interested in
the playoff discussion. And we obviously have had a lot

(01:20:23):
of both of those discussions here on this show. Final
hour coming up next will reset for you Steelers Bengals
Monday Night football. Where does the NFL playoff picture stand.
We're also gonna be joined as we are every Tuesday,
but my guy Petros Papadakis will break down what he
thought of the college football playoff and what he thinks
about my eight team playoff idea. All of that coming
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limit one. Get in the zone. Auto Zone. We're in
the zone here. Our three appreciate you spending your Tuesday
morning with us, and we are often rolling and well,
we'll circle back around. Obviously the NFL the twelfth game
now in the books for everybody, and what happened, Well,
the Steelers found a way to win and the Bengals
found a way to lose, and what was an incredibly

(01:21:29):
violent game. Uh, the Bengals put run up over a
hundred and seventy yards and penalties and give away a
win that would have kept them somewhat relevant in the
playoff race, and instead of falling into the second spot,
the Pittsburgh Steelers maintain their tie break advantage over the
New England Patriots in the a f C. I think

(01:21:50):
just about everybody out there listening to us right now
believes that ultimately the a f C Championship game is
going to be between the Steelers and the Patriots. And
I bet to about everybody out there listening right now
also believes that whoever hosts that game is going to
win that game. And so they're the game between the
Steelers and the Patriots on December sevente is going to

(01:22:11):
be massive for that respect in terms of who is
going to get home field advantage in the a f
C throughout, So we don't know exactly what is gonna
happen in that game, obviously, but I think it's fair
to say, at least for me, nobody else in the
a f C is significantly contending. With the Steelers and

(01:22:31):
the Patriots. We've got the Titans right now at eight
and four and third place. I don't believe in the
Titans as a legitimate contender to make a run to
the Super Bowl. Kansas City Chiefs are in fourth place
right now, on top of the a f C West,
tied with Oakland and with the Chargers. I think either
Oakland or the Charger win that division. The Chiefs have
collapsed to Jacksonville. No way. Blake Bortles is winning multiple

(01:22:53):
games in the playoff. Baltimore, I mean, I'm not really
sold on Baltimore either. So that's the a f C
playoff picture right now. The NFC, it's kind of the
exact opposite. We've got three unproven teams at the top,
the Vikings, the Eagles, the Rams, and then we've got
three teams that seem like they could be contenders and
certainly have been contenders before, the Saints, the uh Seahawks,

(01:23:15):
and the Carolina Panthers. Holding up the bottom half of
the NFC. So I ask you guys, I'm gonna bring
in the crew right now. You can also reach out
to me and let me know on Twitter. Who is
your Super Bowl pick? Right now? Who have you got
to win the a f C and the NFC. And
I want a team that doesn't presently have a by
so outside of the top four, it's easier to do

(01:23:38):
I think in the a f in the NFC than
it is the a f C. But that you believe
could make a run to the Super Bowl, So I'll start.
I think the Patriots are going to be the representative
from the a f C. I think they will beat
the Steelers on December seventeen, and I think the Patriots
will have home field advantage in the a f C.
Ain't nobody going into Foxborough in the a f C
and beating the Patriots. So I've got the paytree. It's

(01:24:00):
advancing to Minnesota to play in the Super Bowl in
the NFC, I don't believe still, I know Viking fans
are continuing to let me have it. I don't believe
in the Vikings. I'm not sure that I believe in
Carson Wentz either, because he hasn't done it before. And
I certainly don't believe in Jared goffin the Rams as
young as this team is, so I actually think I
am most confident in the New Orleans Saints and what

(01:24:22):
they can do on the offensive side of the ball
with Drew Brees. So I'm actually going out of the
a little bit out of the radar there too to
pick New Orleans. I'm picking a New Orleans and a
Patriots Super Bowl. Now is there any other team? I
look at here and I say, you know what, I
can see this team making a run. I don't think
anybody in the a f C can outside of the

(01:24:43):
Steelers and the Patriots. So right now, if I were
betting on somebody else, I mean, frankly, the Saints are
a four seed right now, so that's a decent outside
the box a little bit pick. I mean, granted, there
only one game back from the overall number one seed,
but I would probably go with the Airlina Panthers just
because I know Cam has done it before and because

(01:25:04):
he seems to be playing fairly outstanding brand of football.
Notwithstanding what just happened against the Saints. I like the
game they've got this weekend. Give you a good sense
if the Vikings go on the road and they beat
the Panthers this coming weekend, then I'm gonna have to
acknowledge maybe that I'm just totally wrong about the Vikings
because that would be two massive road wins in a

(01:25:24):
row against the NFC South. Now, I have given you
my breakdown there. What say you, guys, Let's start with you,
Jason Martin. What do you see right now as we
come into what is the thirteenth week of the NFL season.
I mean, I would like to think that the Eagles
can get there. The Saints bother me just a little
bit because of the road. That's that's the only hang

(01:25:45):
up with me with the Saints right now. But I
think just I've gone with the Steelers now since about
mid season, and I'm sticking with it because I think
that they've got a better running game despite what Rex
Burkhead is doing and what Dion Lewis has been doing
for the Patriots, I think the quarterbacks are both very
very good. Antonio Brown is maybe the difference maker, especially
when you look at Juju Smith, Schuster and some of

(01:26:06):
the other weapons that they have on that team. So
I'm gonna go with the Steelers in the A f C, NFC.
I'm just really torn. I keep staring at the Seahawks,
but they have a terrible offensive line. They're like twenty
six then running past blocking. Russell Wilson is maybe the
MVP of the league and nobody's not even talking about it.
He's accounted for eighties six percent of the yards this

(01:26:27):
season for the Seahawks. He's been absolutely just spectacular. But
if Seattle has to go on the road, which they will,
I don't trust them. I trust Carolina more on the
road than I do Seattle. I may trust Carolina more
than the Saints, but my head right now tells me
New Orleans and the reason why is because of Alvin Kamara.
I just keep watching this guy that no one can stop.

(01:26:49):
He already has over six hundred yards rushing, six hundred
yards receiving, only the third player I believe in NFL
history to have that as a rookie. Dude is just
absolutely killing it. The way he can receive out of
the backfield is something that you just can't quantify. When
you get to the playoffs, I think he changes the game.
So I'll go with the Steelers and the Saints. Right now,
it's my Super Bowl pick. How did Alvin Kamara not

(01:27:12):
win the Heisman Trophy. I don't you want to talk about,
Butch Jones should have been fired just watching what Alvin
Kamara did. And the thing is, Clay, we saw this
because we watched all of these Tennessee games. We knew
how good Alvin Camara was. Dude was so underutilized the
entire time he was in Knoxville. It was absurd. Yeah,
I mean, when you see a guy step into the

(01:27:32):
NFL like he has, and I know he's got Drew
Brees and that obviously opens up some of his ability
to make plays because he got a great quarterback, but
he had a pretty decent quarterback in college and Josh Dobbs.
It's not like he was playing with a nobody. I
mean Josh Dobbs on an NFL roster, And when you
see him step in and be able to dominate to
the extent that he has been able to dominate in
the NFL, you really wonder how he wasn't just untacklable

(01:27:57):
in college football. It doesn't make a lot of sense
to me that a guy can go from college football
to the NFL and actually be better in the NFL game.
I mean, I I don't get that. I would love
to hear how that happens. All right, What about you
guys in l A. How would you break down now
that we're in two uh, were moving into the thirteenth
game of the season, how would you break down Super

(01:28:17):
Bowl favorites? Looking at the playoff picture? Who surprises you?
Who do you think can make a run? Well, Clay,
you know, like you said in the a f C,
it's in the dealers in the Patriots gonna come out
to one of those two teams. Uh, It's hard to
bet against Tom Brady. So I'll have to pick the
Patriots to make the Super Bowl of the a f
C and the the NFC. I know that you're not
a believer in case Keenum and the guys, but h
the Minnesota Vikings defense is legit and three of the

(01:28:40):
last four Super Bowl winners have had the number one
ranked defense in the NFL, which the Vikings have this season.
So I like the Vikings to make it at the NFC,
and as I would love to know what that ticket
would cost. By the way, if they make the Super
Bowl in Minnesota, you know, literally we've talked about the

(01:29:00):
tortured history of Vikings fans in the NFC championship game,
and they've never won the Super Bowl and they haven't
been there since the nineteen seventies. Can you imagine how
expensive that ticket would be if the Vikings were playing
in Minnesota in a Super Bowl, and how unbelievable that
would be. It would be incredible. I mean, I'd be
hitting you up for money to get tickets to be
would be great. You're a Vikings fan? No, but just

(01:29:23):
they win? Oh yeah, No, I mean yeah, I mean
it would be I I don't even know what it
would come because one of the big cost factors obviously
for the Super Bowl if your team goes, is that
you've got to spend money to get your family there.
You gotta spend money to get a hotel room and
everything else. If you don't have any of those costs.
And by the way, the same thing could happen if

(01:29:44):
the Georgia Bulldogs made the made the title game in Atlanta.
In the college football where you're you've been a long
starved program that has not won a championship in a
very long time, and then suddenly your team is playing
in your back art and you don't have to pay
for hotel, and you don't have to pay for travel,
you don't have to rent a car, you don't have
to do any of that. The amount that you could

(01:30:07):
end up paying for these tickets is truly otherworldly. I
I just am fascinated to think about what the Vikings
run to the Super Bowl would do for the cost
of those tickets. What do you think about Cubs at
Wrigley compared to Vikings in the Super Bowl. Like the
Cubs last year in the World Series, a hundred eight
years of futility, they make it in. That was a
really expensive ticket. What do you think the difference will be.

(01:30:28):
I know, the super bowls on a different level because
of the exposure in the event level, but just in
terms the super Bowl, I mean only happens one time,
So you get four opportunities to get in to watch
the Cubs in the World Series in theory, or three
opportunities depending on how the home field works. You know,
in any given year, the super Bowl only happens one time,

(01:30:48):
and the challenge with the super Bowl is unlike let's
say in Wrigley Field, where the guys and girls who
have season tickets get access to those same seats when
it comes to the playoffs in the Super Bowl, the
vast majority of those seats don't go to fans to
begin with, So you've already got wealthy, corporate guys who
are getting all these tickets. So I think it would

(01:31:11):
be infinitely tougher, frankly, to get a ticket to the
Vikings than it would be to get a ticket to
the Cubs, because first of all, you know, what does
the Wrigley filled sit seat like forty thousand, You know,
forty thousand people who are Cubs fans are going to
be able to get in and watch the Cubs, the
visiting team, the two teams that make the Super Bowl,
I think each get like ten percent of the overall

(01:31:34):
ticket allotment. So in a seventy five thousand seat stadium,
that means there might only be seventy tickets actually given
to Vikings season ticket holders. So I think it would
be more difficult to get into the super Bowl because
also in addition to Vikings fans, you've got tons of
people who are just kind of casual fans right who
want to go to the Super Bowl at some point

(01:31:55):
in their life. And so even if the Vikings aren't there,
they're interested in making that trip and trying to go
to that game on a bucket list kind of situation,
which many sports fans have. So I think this, If
the Vikings make the Super Bowl, I think it will
be among the, if not the most difficult Super Bowl
tickets of all time. I really do um and I

(01:32:15):
have no idea what that's gonna end up costing, but
I'm thinking five six, seven thousand dollars to get in.
If you are a Vikings fan, so you better start
saving the Christmas money right now if you really believe
in the Vikings. Uh, Robert, what about did you finish
making your picks? Who else you believed? And you said
you believeing the Vikings. Is there a team outside the
four getting a buy right now that you think this
team could make a run. Yeah. When you're picking a

(01:32:37):
team like that, usually have to look at the quarterbacks
because that's kind of all you can go off of,
And in this case, it comes down to one of
two guys, either Drew Brees or Russell Wilson. I happen
to like the Saints, like I said earlier this season,
so I'm rolling with Drew Brees and the Saints as
my wild card kind of pick there. What about you,
Danny g Well, it's hard to pick against the Eagles,

(01:32:58):
but I've been on the Vikings pretty much all season,
and I really love their defensive backfield. I think that
would make the difference against the Eagles because we see
when Wench doesn't get to throw down the field and
he's kind of running for his life. That's the week
the small weeks area for the Eagles. So I'm I'm
feeling the Vikings right now in the NFC. As far

(01:33:20):
as the a f C, I think the Steelers are
going to represent the a f C. So I'm feeling
like Vikings Steelers super Bowl and as far as an outlier,
like a wild card team that can make a run.
All right, So so that I don't sound like a
complete homer, I was on board with j mart a
few weeks back saying that I also felt like the

(01:33:41):
Chiefs could get healthy that obviously has not happened. The
a f C West could come down to New Year's
Eve right here in Los Angeles at the StubHub Center.
How crazy would it be? Raiders Chargers New Year's Eve
for the division Raiders if they could win that they'd
go on in the wild card to the Jags or
your Titans, Clay, who they've already beaten this season. Then

(01:34:04):
it would be the Raiders and maybe the Steelers. And
Oakland has always played the Steelers tough, even when they
were a crap show. So um, you know, I am
a homer, but there is hope, very limited hope. All right,
We're gonna talk to Petros Papadakas next. We'll talk to
him about several things. What's the fallout in l A
over the Ball family decision to abandon U C l A.

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in the college football playoff breakdown? And perhaps most importantly,
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Petro's gotta start here. You were on the field for
the Big twelve title game, and I am strongly on this.
This uh, this this pedestal. We gotta eliminate the chess pass.
You can't allow the chess pass and the Dr Pepper challenge.

(01:36:17):
You witnessed it up close in person. I think they
need to move these guys and girls back, and I
think you need to say, hey, it's got to be
a one arm throw. We're not going to allow the
chess pass anymore. Agree or disagree, I don't cared contest.
These are students, they're not athletes. They're gonna miss it anyway.

(01:36:39):
It's a promotional thing. Can't we just live with it? No, No,
I'm trying to make America great again, Petros, and I'm
trying to make all halftime contest great again with the
chess pass as long as it goes in. They're not quarterbacks.
I mean, we do chest passes in football. I mean
Geno Smith used to chess pass it to Tavon Austin
and West Virginia when he came across the formation and

(01:36:59):
a shotgun it was a forward pass, but it was
more like a run run player an end around. That's
a chess pass. Bob Couzy did do chess pass. It's
a different sport. But I understand what's it like to
be on the field for the contest, you know what
I was. Do you get more reaction to the contest

(01:37:19):
than you do anything else that you've done all season?
Because I bet that that's the kind of thing where
the people are all watching, and obviously the Big twelve
title game has a substantial audience. But I'm thinking that's
probably a bigger reaction than any report you gave all
season long. Uh well, you know, I mean I was
in the booth most of the season. That was the
only game I did on the sideline. But but in

(01:37:40):
the in your history of being sideline guy, like, is
that the reaction that people give the most too? Oh gosh,
some funny things have happened over the years, Like I've
almost gotten killed a bunch of times. But it's definitely
a unique thing. You know, they brought me in to
do that because I kind of have experience doing that
sort of stuff with pros versus shows, so you know,

(01:38:00):
just goofy stuff so yeah, I came in and did
it and screamed and yelled, and that was that. What's
the most ridiculous thing that ever happened to you? On
the sideline? You know? I just used to get in
fights all the time at Stanford because if my toe
was like over the chalk a little bit, they had
like a giant Samoan guy they had chasing me around.

(01:38:22):
That happened. I don't know, There's all kinds of stuff
that happened. I can't remember times at the USC, the Traveler,
the racist horse that everybody's trying to change the name
of it. Now he's he's a white horse. But you
heard that Dr Robert E. Lee's horse and he's white.

(01:38:48):
That story was so perfect as as everybody just goes
insane in sports. Uh so, what did you think? Do
we have the her? Have you? I'm assuming you've heard
the Herm Edwards press conference, So what were your thoughts
on her? First of all, what's your thoughts on her
med words as to hire for Arizona State, Fear the Fork.
I know you've covered a lot of Arizona State and
watched a lot of Arizona State over the years. Where

(01:39:10):
does this higher rank in the kind of all timer list. Well,
that was a weird thing that happened to me on
the sideline once, Uh, I got to I was at
an Arizona State U c l A game and U
c l A screwed up the coin toss so they
kicked off twice. That was kind of weird. That sounds
like I meant, Chip Kelly doesn't make that mistake. That's

(01:39:31):
a long list of that we I mean, I can
interview my leech once and we got knocked over by
a wave of students, uh rushing the field and our
camera broke our dollar camera broke into a Yeah, that's amazing.
That's kind off by a bunch of students who moshed
me at Oregon State and grabbed my lapels and tried

(01:39:52):
to throw me around. I had to find my way out,
like braveheart. Now it's coming back to me. Clay. It's
early out here. I know it's early in your phone's
working too, So that's at least positive. I feel good
about that. Herm Edwards, that was one of the most
ridiculous things I've ever seen in my life. And the
press conference was either something you could laugh about or

(01:40:14):
it was embarrassing. I don't think there was anything else
beyond that. I don't I don't know how to explain it.
John Wilner, who's probably the best writer on the Pack twelve,
wrote kind of a pretty quick piece last night about it,
and it's brilliant reading. I tweeted it at Petris and Money.
But the truth is, if you're going to hire your

(01:40:36):
ex client, and that is what Anderson, the athletic director
at Arizona State did, Uh, please interview somebody else? I mean,
they didn't even look at anybody else. They suicide in
Herm Edwards. Like you can understand why U c l
a suicide and Chip Kelly. It's Chip Kelly. He's going
to put in a system and get working, but suiciding

(01:40:58):
Herm Edwards when he hasn't coached an a college game
in thirty plus years is ridiculous. And then to have
that weird statement, that long form statement that described every
football team but just with a lot of big words
about how innovative and optimum they're gonna be was the
dumbest thing I've ever seen. And then I don't think
he understood that their mascot is the sun Devils. I honestly,

(01:41:20):
don't think he knew that. And all of that rolled
into one you just wonder what the hell they're doing.
I mean, they're keeping the coordinators because no one would
go coach with herm because they know they're gonna get
fired in a year. So or maybe they feel that way,
and maybe I'm wrong, but I overall I thought it
was sad and embarrassing. I was just blown away by
just how weird it was. So how does this? I mean,

(01:41:43):
I can't even remember something. A couple of people texted
me like, oh, Bobby Petrino kept his entire staff intact
when he got fired, and John L. Smith took over
kind of as an interim. I can't even remember a
time when it got right. That happens, like that's what
happened with Art Aisles, you know, I mean, and they
brought in Jim Grobe. If you fire the staff, you

(01:42:05):
don't have a football team. You can't just bring in
the whole new staff. That could never work after spring
football or before camp. It just wouldn't work. It has
to happen. But in this situation, have you ever seen
it like this? Because you assume if you're firing Todd Graham,
or you're firing the coaching, uh, person who's been there

(01:42:27):
a long time, who who hired this staff. It's an
indictment on everybody. And then it's just it's bizarre. I
don't know what to say. Is this kind of flying
under the radar a little bit because it's Arizona State?
For instance? If Texas A and M had done this,
or let's say Tennessee, which is crazy obviously your Florida

(01:42:49):
or U C. L A, I think it would be
a much bigger story. Like Arizona State fans are just
okay with this. I don't think anybody knows what to
make of it. And some people, I mean, you look
at Twitter and there's people that are positive about this,
and I want to be positive about it. I'm sure
her Medwords is a good man. My dad coached him
at Cal when he was there as a cornerback and

(01:43:11):
my dad was a defensive coaching g A. I'm sure
her Medwords is a good person. But thirty years out
of college and ten years out of coaching is a
pretty big gap for modern day college football. When somebody
in your same division just hired Chip Kelly, Uh, it's
a little shocking. Now Phil Bennett is a good coordinator,

(01:43:33):
Napier is a good coordinator. Maybe those guys are going
to have more power, I guess, But I don't understand
the point of firing Todd Graham and paying him twelve
billion dollars if you're gonna hire your friend. And then
the guy they had to explain why it was such
a good hire was herm Edwards agent. I mean that

(01:43:55):
that that's like to me saying to explain why Clay
Travis is such a wonderful person, uh and right person
for the job. Here's his wife. I mean, it doesn't
make it, by the way, and she wouldn't. She wouldn't
defend me as well as they tried to defend her either.
So let's let's shift gears a little bit there from her, um,
are you did you think the College Football Playoff commtee

(01:44:15):
get it right? Or did you think Ohio State should
have been in? Or did you think sc should have
been more seriously considered than they were? Yes? No, and no,
I said a couple. And I'm disgusted with the two
SEC teams in that In there you know that Clay
and I hate the eight conference games and I hate
the fact that they played Mercer in November, but three

(01:44:36):
weeks ago I said it, Uh, an Alabama team with
one loss is going in, and that's just the way
it is. And uh that's what we have. And I
think they're a better team ment Ohio State. I think
Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback than JT. Barrett. And
I think if you lose a game by thirty points
in Iowa, you have to answer for it. And that's

(01:44:57):
the long and the short of it. Now, we were
told by the play off committee, and you you and
I both know that. You know that might as well
just be thirteen people that we know working in football
voting on this. So I don't have put that much
stock into it. But we were told by the playoff
committee that if you win your conference championship and you're
an equal with a team that didn't, that that's gonna

(01:45:19):
put you over. So if they put Alabama in over
Ohio State, that means they didn't think they were equal
at all. Uh USC got blown out to by Notre
Dame and they don't deserve them there to be. They
were out of the conversation in mid October, so I
think they got it right. We'll see how it shakes out.
Does the part of you think that USC should play

(01:45:40):
an easier schedule? I mean, because let's be honest, if
USC does not play against the Notre Dame, let's say
they play I don't know, Fresno State, you know some
school in state that's not school. Yeah, Fresno had a
good year, but one of Alabama's three best wins. Yeah,
you're right. And also you called of the greatest college

(01:46:00):
football games of all time. If I remember Fresno State
against USC back in the Reggie Bush Matt Liner days,
all the game, Yeah, that was since it was a
precursor to the Texas loss. But uh, should USC play
an easier schedule? I don't know. If they hadn't lost,
if they hadn't played Notre Dame, and they had just

(01:46:21):
lost one game on the road against Washington State, and
that was a Friday night game, and they had some injuries,
there's zeroed out that twelve and one. USC s exact
same team as we've got now. If they just don't
play against Notre Dame and they play against the team
they could definitely have beaten, and there are a lot
of them, they'd be in the playoffs. I I understand
the question, and I've been asked the question before, But

(01:46:41):
USC versus Notre Dame is USC football. I mean, you
don't need me to go back into the history of
Howard Jones and Newt Rockney and their wives and why
they play in October when it's out there in uh
odd years and and even years it's in Thanksgiving time
in l A. You don't need me to go into that.

(01:47:02):
But the USC Notre Dame game wins people Heisman trophies.
The USC Notre Dame game is an attraction. Uh, it
has to be played. Uh. Should USC's conference games be
a little bit different, like should they have a buy
Should they be protected by the conference like Alabama is
by the SEC. Who would never play a Friday night

(01:47:25):
game at a place like Pullman, Washington on a short week. Yeah,
I think they should do a better job protecting their
blue bloods with the schedule, But I think they have
to play Notre Dame. What is going on? We're talking
to Petros Papadas, a M five seventies Sports in Los Angeles.
Listen to the show, follow him on Twitter at Petros
and Money. Great show. What in the world is going

(01:47:47):
on with the ball brothers and how much time will
you spend talking about the relationship between Well le Angelo,
I believe is the Ball brother now who has been
pulled out of u c l A and now his
younger brother. Evidently he's gonna try to go pro to
what's going on out there. Well, actually, the younger brother, Mellow,
according to LaVar Ball is still going to u c

(01:48:07):
l A, which is going to be problematic because he's
got a shoe that you could buy, which no high
school kids have that are going to play Division one basketball,
So he probably wouldn't get through the clearinghouse. But I
think this is what we called on the radio, and
we did talk about it a lot, the great castration

(01:48:30):
between u c l A and the Balls. They they
have just lopped him off. This was their opportunity to
get away from that family and move on. They suspended
all three kids, and now the other two can be
reinstated and play in a ample amount of time, and
Jello Ball can move on. I think it was worse

(01:48:51):
to pull the kid out of high school. I thought
pulling that kid out of high school was a terrible
disservice to him and his development. But uh, pulling this
kid out of u c l A Jello ball. You know,
he could go somewhere else if somebody wants to deal
with LaVar, which is getting less and less likely. He
could go to a UC Irvine, A north Ridge. He

(01:49:12):
could play in the Big West or something like that,
in the West Coast Conference and be a pretty decent
player and have a good college career. Uh, he wasn't
going to play at u c l A, at least
not much so. Uh. We're talking about it a lot, though,
and it's it's kind of like LaVar ball is sort
of he's kind of cycled through. Everybody's over it. The

(01:49:34):
Lakers are over it. Gino Hills found a way to
get away from him, and now U c l A.
Do you think Steve Alford has to be incredibly excited
that this happened. Oh, I think he's been dancing all night.
I think he spent the night at a club and
then an after hours club listening to lounge music, dancing
and feathering his hair. Nice. What else you got going

(01:49:57):
on this week? Now that college football is officially over,
will you pivot a little bit and pay attention in
l A to the Chargers in their run and the
Rams and their run. Has this caught fire at all
in terms of the NFL playoff pursuit in the city
or are people still kind of surprised that l A
has two teams? Well, yesterday I freaked out about how
Clay Helton said that the USC overachieved with the roster

(01:50:20):
they had. That that upset me. That's still is upsetting me.
I think that's one of the worst statements the USC
coach has ever made. Uh So, that got me going.
But yeah, the NFL is is moving people a little bit.
The Rams are legit, and the Chargers are going to
make the playoffs, and uh it's gonna be interesting to
see how the city reacts. I think we're somewhere in

(01:50:42):
between those two things you just described. Uh So, I
think that's kind of where we are right now. And
the Lakers are terrible, the Clippers are worse. We got
USC playing in a Rose Bowl game, but it's in Dallas,
and uh Josh Rosen should not play in the cat
This Bowl. If he does, it will be the worst
decision in the history of his life. What did you

(01:51:04):
think about Jimbo Fisher just bailing out on f s
you like he did? And uh final game. Yes, so
now this is money she can't touch. You're the lawyer,
uh in theory? Yes, I mean I think he still
has alimony to pay. But it's a it's a wild
situation down there, and I think uh A and m
got a great coach. But man was at Messy Petros

(01:51:25):
at Petros and money a M five seventy sports in
l A. Appreciate the time of man. Thanks for getting
up early with us and we'll talk to you next week.
Thank you, Clay. It's always a pleasure to reach out
to you. And you're wonderful listeners. Is Petros, Bob and Dakis.
Lets bringing ill find out what's shaken in the world
of sports play. The Pittsburgh Steelers are hoping the linebacker

(01:51:46):
Ryan Shazier will be able to return back to Pittsburgh
sometime today. He spent the night at University of Cincinnati
Medical Center after injuring his back and Monday nights win
over the Bengals. Early this morning, general manager Kevin Colbert
issued a statement saying that Chaser did not require surgery
at the time and was continuing to improve. No further
details about Chaser's injury were released. Mike Tomlin has a

(01:52:10):
previously scheduled press conference coming up at noon Eastern time today.
In the game itself, Steelers rallied from a seventeen to
nothing second quarter deficit to beat the Bengals twenty three
to twenty to tie the Patriots for the best record
in the a f C. At ten and two NBA
Monday night, the Golden State Warriors rallied from a twenty
point deficit to what in New Orleans. Steph Curry sprained

(01:52:31):
his right ankle late in this game. X rays were negative,
and finally, Sham's Tarantia of the Vertical just reported that
lie Angelo Ball and LaMelo Ball are exploring options to
sign overseas, ending their collegiate careers. Lo Angelo left U
c l A yesterday and LaMelo had previously committed to

(01:52:53):
U c l A. One would presume that China is
not one of those receives options, at least for le Angelo.
The pageantry. Yeah, one more definitely assume by law in China,
I suppose back to you, Yeah, I don't think he's
going over there. They're paying a lot of money, but
they're not gonna be paying it to the Ball brothers. Uh.
We'll finish the final segment of the show. Up next,

(01:53:15):
Thanks for listening to OutKick, we'll talk Animal Thunderdome. And
there's a bad fire going on in the l A. Area.
We need to update a lot of our residents out
there listening in the l A area so they can
be aware. I am Clay Travis. This is out Kick
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(01:53:59):
you guys have some serious issues going on out there
in l A. And there are a lot of people
obviously starting off their day early this morning in Los
Angeles and there is a there's a major fire and
what can you tell us about it? Guys? Well, actually, Clay,
there are two fires, so it's not good at all.
There's one about an hour north of our studios here

(01:54:19):
they're calling it the Thomas Fire currently at over thirty
acres destroyed and seven thousand people evacuated. There's another one
that just broke out about an hour and a half ago,
and that one's only about fifty miles from our studio.
Over a thousand acres already burning. They're calling that one
the Creek Fire. And this one is having potentially, yes,

(01:54:42):
some significant issues obviously in travel related issues. And you
guys can smell the fire in Sherman Oaks. Oh yeah,
it's insane. I mean it's uh, it's so strong that
I Loo came in and h told us he wanted
to do the last update you know, from another studio.
It it's seriously you could not even breathe in his
studio back there. So the smoke is thick, and this

(01:55:05):
fire has only been burning for a couple of hours.
You can see it from the one on one freeway
here in Sherman Oaks, California. It's a couple of towns over.
So they're really worried about that because it started in
the Angels National Forest and it just started recently, yeah,
just a couple of hours ago. Well, so everybody tried
to be safe out there in l A. I know

(01:55:26):
obviously a lot of people all over the country listening
in as they commute. We always want you to be safe,
but we wanted to give you an update on that
as many people on the West Coast are waking up
and starting off their morning. All right, and much less
serious news. Let's cueue up the animal thunderdome. Boys. See
what we got, ladies and gentlemen. I'm just glad. I

(01:55:51):
was scared, boys, and good I thought he thought I
was like this enormous piece of chicken diarm Times NFL.
This is animal thunder dog. Alright, boys, what you got.
There's a couple of different things going on. A few

(01:56:12):
days ago, a tourist traveling through a South American national
park captured video of a group of hyenas that approached
a truck and started chewing on its tires and the
mud flaps. Apparently, hyenas are born to chew, at least
that's what the filmer wrote. They have the strongest bite
force of any animal on this planet, so they go

(01:56:32):
after these tires, that go after these mud flaps and
just destroy it. You think that a that a hyena
has a stronger bite force than a shark or a crocodile. Well,
I'm looking it up. Is that what you're that's just

(01:56:54):
as you reported. Listen as if it was. You didn't
even question it, all right, listen, saltwater crocodile seven hundred
pounds per square inch hyenas. It's like, okay, so that's
just incorrect in the article. Then they're still pretty strong, though.
A fifty Newton's there with lions and tigers, so harder
than you think. Nowhere near a saltwater crocodile, though, And

(01:57:18):
I hear as a person who cares about the reporting
accuracy of this show, I heard that said, no, no, no,
there's no way that's true. You just spread it across
the entire nation as if it were because I was
reading the article out. Yeah, alright, I take a look
at taking credit for my mistake. You don't take credit
for mistakes. You take the blame for mistakes. What are

(01:57:40):
you trying. I'm taking credit, I'm taking responsibility. Yeah, alright.
Credit is like a good thing, Like you take credit
when you set up somebody and they end up getting married.
You don't take when you screw up. You blew it?
All right, keep going, hopefully, suspend it for the rest
of the week. I'll get to sleep in, all right.
An impossum and a Florida wildlife center broke into a
liquor store after even the wildlife center started drinking for

(01:58:03):
miniature bottles of liquor and was found drunk in a
Florida liquor store. If that's not the most Florida story
I've ever heard, it's amazing. What possum? What do you
think the possum went to on the many liquor bottles?
Do you think he was like a yeager guy? Do
you think he was like a gold schlagger guy, like fireball?
Maybe the fireball? Like what did what did the possum in?

(01:58:24):
And by the way, the possum breaks into the liquor
store and then passes out. This is uh, this is fantastic.
This is that is a perfect Florida story. Michelle Pettis
to the Fort Wallon Beach. Police found the opossum while
responding to a call from the owner. Found it to
be quote disoriented, excessively salivating, and slightly pale. So basically
everybody you see at a bar in e Boor City.

(01:58:46):
How did they know that the possum was pale. Aren't
they bray already? Again? Lots of questionable facts in these
animal stories so far. Today, the possum looked pale. If
somebody tells me that a possum look pale, I'm not
believing that report. I'm looking at it. Just look at
the photo. Noticeably different than every other possum you've ever seen.

(01:59:09):
It looks like a possum with an airplane bottle next
to it, just like staggered box. To say that the
possum looked pale is a ridiculous description of an animal
that's already gray. It's suspects. Do we need to ban
Jason Martin here for for factual factual of evidence? I said,

(01:59:30):
quote Clay. I said, that's from Cuttis to the fort
wall and police and the liquor stores owners into question
there to and that a hyaena had incredible bite force,
unlike a saltwater crocodile and unlike a shark. And you
just accepted, Hey, that's that's Hey, that's an unfair attack.

(01:59:53):
That's a really difficult name to say, especially when you
might still be drunk. This is out kicked the coverage
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