Karma is a Lion

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They're kind of laying out the schedule for the day.
I'm Jason Martin along with Jeff Schwartz. He's down in Charlotte.
I'm in Nashville. Danny g and the crew out in
Los Angeles. Still, if you're looking across the sports landscape,
the story that actually seemed to get the most traction
last night, Jeff and Yesterday afternoon was the one we

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sort of poop poo and didn't talk very much about
yesterday morning, which was a Lonzo Balls torn meniscus being
leaked to try and keep him from being traded. I
didn't know just how much inc was gonna get spilled,
or how much carpal tunnel was gonna come off the
hands of those writing stories about this, but it seemed
to at least detract some interest I don't know as

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so that we'd have to react on the spur of
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it yourself. But Jeff Alonzo Ball and his torn meniscus,
you would think, and well not just you would think
you would know whoever was gonna trade him, gonna do

(02:16):
a post trade physical or whatever. Anyway, So I don't
know that this story is quite as big, but the
Lakers being sort of miffed that this came out and
thinking that it came from Alonzo's camp. The only thing
I think when I see this is I feel sad
for Alonzo Ball because yet again, this dude just seems
to have no chance because of all of the circus

(02:37):
that surrounds him that I don't think he really covets. Well,
it's a story because it's a leak. It's not a
story because his knee isn't I mean, it's not a
it's not a bad knee injury. He'll get it fixed
before the season starts. It's a story because it gets
leaked during the process of the Kauai trade rumors, and

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and Alonso was a guy that was part of the
trader with him, he still might be part of the trade,
and I think LaVar was frightened that he could end
up in San Antonio. And then look, LaVar loses all
the momentum he has or doesn't have um to be
a celebrity if he goes to San Antonio. I've been
to San Antonio. Um I called the football game their

(03:19):
college fooball game there last year. There's not much going
on in that town. Um, LaVar will not be the
same guy or get the same attention that he is now.
I have to think that he's looking out for his
son a little bit, right. I mean, things personally for
his son are better in Los Angeles as far as
he's from there. The markets bigger. He can brand himself

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differently in Los Angeles and he couldn't san Antonio. Eventually,
maybe the Lakers win a little bit, but I don't
think this has to do with winning. I think has
to do with with brand management, as he wants. He
wants Lonzo to have to stay in Los Angeles. And
I always wonder if LaVar did leak this, which I'm
sure he did, whether or not Alonzo was included in

(04:02):
the discussion. Hey longso I'm gonna leak this out, or
whether or not. He just leaked it out on his own,
you know, without thinking about his son. But they're clearly
worried that he would leave Los Angeles. And also, look,
Lebron is now big dog in that locker room. It
used to be maybe it was it was Alonso, but
LaVar was the biggest voice um in the in the

(04:23):
arena when it came to talking about the Lakers. And
now all the focus on the Lakers is on Lebron James.
Is gonna be on Rondo, how Rondo plays, how Stevenson plays,
Um Magic, johnsonid, Rob Polinka, Kawhi Leonard. If he goes there,
what are they gonna do next year? Is Clay Thomas
gonna come? The talk is no longer about Alonzo, especially

(04:44):
with his injured nees, so when he misses the preseason
and when maybe he misses a couple of games, all
the talk is about Lebron James. Jersey sales, there's more
jersey sold. Um more Lebron jo sold the Lakers fans.
I assume the the Lakers fans then there ever, were
sold when he went back to Cleveland. So there's a

(05:05):
lot of interest and obviously in Lebron coming to Los
Angeles and it takes all the glory away from Lonzo
and LaVar. So this is a leak to to save
that you save a little bit of um of UH.
I don't know what the white word is, but just
just save, you know, save some energy, uh for for
them to be talked about, uh and to stay in

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Los Angeles. One think there's something also to be said
for the fact that A Lonzo grew up a Lakers stand.
He loves the Lakers, He wanted to play in l A.
Lebron James was his idol, was his favorite player pretty
much from the beginning of his caring about basketball at least,
so the idea of playing with his favorite player is
something he was very interested in doing. It seemed like
Lebron has a lot of respect for Alonzo in terms

(05:48):
of his game and his basketball like you has said
some very pleasant things about him last season, said he
was kind of interested in playing with him as well
after he got there. I just I I feel like
there's something here more about Lonzo wanting to be there.
But I don't know that A Lonzo had anything to
do with this being leaked. What's the what's the sense
out in Los Angeles? Danny, You guys out there there

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closer to this story without there being a whole lot
of other gigantic stories going on, this one getting more
attention than maybe it might otherwise have gotten. What's the
impression or what's your impression as a Lakers fan of
this thing leaking out? And how likely it is that
not only did it come from the ball camp, but
that it's gonna harm him going forward. Yeah. I was

(06:32):
listening to a M five seventy l A Sports yesterday afternoon.
What's that called again? Oh? I said it the right way,
a M five seventy l A Sports. No Clay always
gets that twisted up. Um. I think it's I think
it's LaVar fatigue. It's great for us though, for what
we do. We we want LaVar to keep talking and talking.
But well, yeah, I don't. Well, a lot of a

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lot of media people do because they you know, they've
enjoyed following him just because it gives you something to
dissect on the radio or in writing. But then it
went too far. We talked about this on yesterday morning,
yesterday morning, that once he went in on the coach,
then people here in l A were like, whoa, Okay,

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now you crossed the line. Once he crossed that line,
then Laker fans have looked at LaVar sideways because already
we weren't trusting him. We knew it was potentially a problem.
Now after he went in on Luke Walton at the
end of last season. Um, you know, we want him
to be as a Laker fan. You want him to
be quiet. You want his son to just progress as

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a player on the court and focus on the court
and not have all this outside noise. And then now
I'm hearing a lot of media members who are sick
of LaVar and don't want to hear anything he has
to say right now. And so it would be nice,
actually if LaVar moved to San Antonio by himself. Yeah,

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I mean, I mean, guys without let's bring him Mike Mayor.
You're the Cleveland guy, right right, Yeah, And yeah, so
there you go. Well I'm not better. I mean, I
knew it was gonna happen. But the whole thing, the
whole thing from being out here in Los Angeles, like
Danny said, it's a circus surrounding the Ball family. And
that's how it's really been ever since a Lonzo got drafted.

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But this like, and you could see it from a
mile away and a lot of people were just instantly
getting out in front of it. It wasn't until yesterday
we're Adrian war Zanowski was saying, oh, yeah, this was
definitely leaked by uh them because they're so paranoid about
the fact that, yeah, they don't want him here anymore.
Because the whole disk tracks stuff that was coming out.

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It's just there's so much like negative press and that
that comes to that team, and it's amazing to me
the turnaround that's come with the Lakers in terms of
Alonzo ball. You remember when a Lonzo ball was introduced,
like Magic Johnson said, yeah, we're gonna put your number
up in the rafts. Now, it's like they can't get
rid of him fast. No, no, but that's not right, Mike.
The Lakes do want him. Yesterday we mentioned this that yeah,

(09:03):
that they see his potential and they were happy that
he was taking initiative to go in and watch tape
with Magic Johnson. The way he was hitting the gym,
if you follow him on Instagram the way I do,
you know that it looked like he was gonna really
come into his own for his second season. So I
feel like Magic and Rob Olinka don't and Jennie Buss

(09:25):
don't want to move A Lonzo necessarily. But this is
something where maybe his camp quote unquote that's LaVar wanted
to make sure that he wasn't part of a trade
package for Kauai. And so that's what's going on here.
Any anybody with a logical mind knew when the meniscus
thing was leaked, Okay, this is LaVar just wanting to

(09:46):
make sure his son is not headed out with the package. Yeah,
I just that That's kind of how I see it,
And that's why I continue to feel sort of sorry
for a Lonzo because you know, we have talked about
it on this show, but for and I think we
were all in unanimous agreement that Alonzo needed to try
and check his father at some point and just be like,

(10:06):
look that I appreciate everything you've done for me, but
it's time to go sit down. It's time to go
watch and enjoy this and work with the other two kids,
work with my two brothers and get them prepared, or
you know, whatever it is that you do. Because there's
certainly a lot of love from LaVar Ball to his kids,
Like I don't think anybody is gonna deny that, but
at some point you have to tell that other person

(10:29):
in your life, whoever that person might be. You're now
actively harming me. You're making it harder for me to succeed.
And I don't know why you would want to do that.
And I don't know that Alonzo is the alpha that
has ever actually had that conversation. I think there could
be a debate as to whether or not a Lonzo
is actually ever sad his dad down and had that
conversation with him. I know his dad as a magnanimous

(10:50):
personality and certainly fills up a lot of the room.
And maybe Alonzo has always been somebody that stayed pretty
quiet at the dinner table. But a Lonzo Ball is
now the guy making the money that has the future
that you know, Magic Johnson liked enough about him to
want to bring him into the fold. Lebron James is
now next to him. Now is the time for LaVar

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Ball to recede into the background and just enjoy watching
his son play. LaVar Ball has gone from being sort
of an interesting side show to the worst parent watching
their kids play basketball or watching their kids play sports
like Little League all those horror stories that we've seen,
you know, you see fights going on and all that.
LaVar is not gonna get in any fights. He's gonna

(11:33):
run his mouth, but he's gonna do it in a
way that's gonna irk a lot of other people in
the league, and it just makes life harder on Alonzo
and it makes so many more people seemingly want him
to fail when a lot of this I feel like
he's out of his control. Well, I think we look,
we all assume I'm part of this. That Alonzo does
not like this, right, that's not like his dad him,
But we really don't know because we haven't heard much

(11:55):
from Alonzo, and Lawnso has done a good job himself
kind of shield him, you know, shielding himself personally. Besides
the disk track and that kind of like just kind
of weird twenty one year old stuff, but just in general,
he's kind of sealed himself from from media scrutiny. Has
not done a lot of media. Now, his dad does
obviously a lot of that maybe for him, and maybe
that's sort of the plan, but I don't know if

(12:17):
there's ever gonna be a breaking point where he does
have to sit his dad down. I think last year,
after Lavarre criticized Luke Wall and Magic Johnson and or
Rob Polinka had a chat with him and said, we're
not doing this anymore. UM, You're you're not criticizing our
coaching staff, You're not criticizing decisions that are made UM
in our building and on the court. I think that
happened for sure. Whether Alonso was part of that conversation

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or whether Magic just went right to LaVar and had
that conversation, I don't think we'll ever know. UM. I
think they maybe the Lakers realized that Alonzo is not
gonna say anything out of respect to his dad, because,
like you said, he's been a great father. As far
as we know, he has built up a brand around
his sons and around himself. I don't know if that
brand makes any money. I have no idea, UM, but

(13:03):
he's obviously built up a brand, so he's done some
good things. But I do agree with all you guys
it's about time for him to just shut up and
let his son play basketball. Do think there is a
little worry from LaVar, uh, not from maybe Alonzo, But look,
Lebron James has led his teams and assists for I
think fourteen straight years now, Um, and I don't think
he's played with a point guard like Alonso yet, So

(13:27):
there's a little bit of fear I think from that side,
even though he's gonna maybe play with his idol, that
he's gonna take some of those assists away. And that's
what Alonzo has, right. He doesn't. He's he's actually above
he's a kind of above average rebounder for a point guard.
But you know he's not. He's not scoring a lot
of points. His shots not there yet. And what makes
him special is his ability to to share the ball

(13:48):
around the court. If Lebron takes that from him, just
just in the slightest, that makes him less of a
player until he improves on the offensive side um of
the court. So and there's a little bit of fear
there from from from LaVar, But I agree with you you
guys generally speaking, it's it's about time for him just
to shut up and and let his son um do

(14:08):
the playing and kind of fade into the background. And
I hope, I hope that a Lonzo has that talking
about I understand my dad is very supportive of what
I do. He's not he's not public um, obviously, but
there's times I tell him, like Dad, I just I'm
tired of the feedback. I don't need it. UM, stop
giving it to me. UM. I know you're trying to
help me, but it's just it's just too much right now.
And he backs off and eventually he comes back. He

(14:29):
gives me more feedback at times. But there's there's they're
not fun conversations. I mean they're not they're they're they're
tough to do, UM, but you have to do them. Yeah,
I mean I think that I think there's something to
the idea, and I think we talked about it a
little bit that LaVar does want a Lonzo to be
the star, and Alonzo aint gonna be the star on

(14:50):
this team, not even close. But I don't think a
Lonzo cares whether or not he's a star with Lebron
James next to him. But LaVar is also smart enough
to know the couple of things he shouldn't say. But
as even when he did talk this week, he said,
you just put the best player in the world with
my son, which then means one thing. That means his
son is not the best player in the world. And
he actually came out and verbalized that, so maybe that's

(15:12):
progress for LaVar Ball DG. I know you've got something
for us. Yeah. I was just gonna mention something that
we're not hearing anybody really say, is we're about to
find out who Lebron really likes on the Lakers current roster,
because we know he's the de facto coach in general manager.
And one of the reasons he came to l A
and and all the pundits and the Lebron haters and

(15:36):
especially now the anti Laker crowd, which is huge, all
of a sudden, they are saying, well, what a horrible
roster he's joining. He doesn't want to win, all right.
We know that they kind of took a flyer on
this upcoming season because they still need to put this
roster together around him. But there is a reason why

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Lebron was interested in joining law Anzo and especially Brandon Ingram.
He liked what he saw out of those two kids.
Did you notice when he played against the Lakers last
season his embraced with Alonzo at the end of the game,
and uh, you know, the conversations he was having with
Brandon Ingram after that game was over, and the comments

(16:18):
he made about both of them after the game, and
of course you're watching the players that you're possibly gonna
be joining. Whenever Lebron was watching tape, you know, in
the back of his mind, if he was thinking about
going to l A, he was paying attention to what
these young, uh potential stars for the Lakers were doing
on the court. And a lonso had an especially great

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performance in that game against Lebron last season. If you
notice the one where he had the embrace with him afterwards,
he had talked right. He had some great passes and
some flashy plays in the game that raised Lebron's eyebrows.
So I don't think it was necessary for Alonso's camp
or a k a. His dad to even do that,

(17:01):
because it just boils down to does Lebron wants you
on the current squad? Because if he doesn't, then you're
gonna be part of a trade package. But if he
likes you, you're gonna play by him. Do you think
there's a possibility, Danny, Jeff, you can you can spawn
to this too, And then we'll get to our first
break of the show that you're bringing a guy like
Rajon Rondo, who's known to be just a brilliant basketball mind,

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and you bring in a couple of other veteran guys
that you've gone to war against, like a Lance Stevenson,
so that Lebron can have those conversations at different times
where it's like, Hey, what do you think of this dude?
Can this dude play like? Because you finally have somebody
else that's been in the league, that's been in the
trenches that knows what's going on and can look at
some of these younger players and maybe help Lebron James

(17:44):
evaluate them. Almost like some of these vets are just
coaching up these young kids. Like Rondo. We we had
that discussion a couple of days ago whether or not
Rondo was potentially gonna make Alonzo ball better or if
he was gonna make him gone. I think if he stays,
he's almost assuredly gonna make him better, even even to
try to help up. Can he help Alonso shoot? He's

(18:07):
got trouble shooting, He's got terrible shooting. He's a great
floor general, He's what Alonso hopes to be with that
whole Jason kidd m O. But what so, in essence,
what the Lakers need are some sharp shooters to join
this this roster, that's what That's what Lebron needs. More
people space the floor right and catch the ball and

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shoot it. So there was an article that Ramona Shelburne
and uh and Brian Windhorst wrote for ESPN yesterday and
explained why they picked up Stevenson and Rondo, and it
was it was basically Magic had had a plan, Magic
and Lebron let me. Magic brought the plan to Lebron
and said, look, this is our this is our plan

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for you. And and part of the reason they signed
these guys, and this is not I'm not quoting this exactly,
was you know, they built the Calves with guys with
specific things they do well in mind right, so Corver
like just shoots well, um, you know they had a
guy just rebounded well. And they say with with Stevenson
and Rondo, these are two guys that do a lot

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of things well. They play defense well, they're long, they
can they can get in the paint and do some
dirty work to let Lebron have some more room to
not get beat up in the paint. They can find
They're not they don't. They don't. They're not gonna build
the Lakers like they built the calves and and find
guys that just do one thing really well. Um. The
ideas that Rondo and Stevenson, just the way they play

(19:34):
can allow Lebron more freedom on offense. UM, And I
found you know, I found it interesting. Is that is
that I personally think, and I could be wrong about this,
that Magic, you know, went to Lebronson, Look, we want
to get these guys for you. Here's a specific role.
Lebron said yes or no on those guys. But I
think Magic and Rob Polinka are running the show as

(19:55):
far as personnel. Um if if I don't think Lebron
is gonna be in of deals like he was in Cleveland.
He's not signing his boys anymore now I'm not in charge,
but they're definitely getting him to sign off. He's not
got bring anybody in he doesn't want, right. But but
I think there's a difference between between Um taking it
and saying is this guy good and then Lebron. You know,

(20:18):
Lebron can say no and they might still do it anyways,
versus Lebron going to them and saying, I want this
guy Um to be on my team. That that's a
that's a little bit of a difference, and it will
be interesting to see what the VDA like if there's
a veto power that Lebron has on decision making. We
we might never know that, um, but I'm interested to

(20:38):
see if it gets to a point where where Lebron
wants a guy. Magic says no, I think I think
that's okay. But but whether or not Magic goes to
Lebron and says I want this guy. Lebron says, no,
I don't want him to manage to screw you. We're
we're taking him anyways, that's what I want. I don't
think that happens. I don't. But maybe we can continue

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didn't even know that story. No, it's not in a
good area of town. Let's just be real. I looked
at that. I looked at I was just like, Okay,
I'm not sure this is still all right. We go
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that's not story. I was familiar with High Five for
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of factor. Maybe I just don't know their stuff until
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They were one of those glossy R and B bands
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was in a really bad car accident, and so the
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were multiple people there are no longer with us, and
that other one was pretty tragic as well, so that
that show I think is next weekend. Could be a
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not not positive yet, but that I kind of want
to hear that song that we played coming back. I've
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Is that what ninety? Is that mid nineties or early nine,
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with the four three win over the White Sox. Julie
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Angels four to one seattles one nine of ten, but
there's still a game and half back of Houston. When
the A L West lead and the Nationals were down
nine nothing at home to the Marlins, they then storm

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back for a fourteen to twelve win. Trade Turner two
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All right, So before we move on from this story
that we lead with, I don't think, Jeff, that there
is a way in the world that Magic Johnson or
Rob Polenka or anybody else in the Lakers bout is
gonna make a move that Lebron James doesn't want. And

(25:36):
if it comes down to an argument between the two,
I still think Lebron James wins that argument. And you disagree, Well,
here's the way I look at it is that I
think that Magic and Polenka are gonna look at making
moves to help Lebron right, and they will bring moves
to Lebron that he will probably already say yes to anyways.

(26:00):
And if Magic and Rob Poink you have done the
background on said player, they feel confident that the player
will fit in with Lebron and Lebron has some hesitation
about it, I think they will be able to pitch
them or pitch Lebron them. I mean, like Clutch, Clutch
and his people on the idea of bringing the player
to where Lebron will end up saying yes to it.

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I don't think that Lebron will be going to Magic
all the time and saying I want this guy sign.
I do think they signed Pope. It's kind of a
thank you to Clutch. Yeah, so what's a one year deal?
Kind of like a thank you to Clutch, give you know,
Clutch him. I don't know how the money works in
that in that agency, but you know, give him some

(26:44):
some some extra money in their pockets for signing, you know,
for signing Pope. I don't know what the agency fee
is an NBA um, but that that was more of
a favor that was not like Lebron going to him
and you have to sign this guy, uh, you know,
for me to come there. So I think there's a
difference between Lebron. I don't think Lebron will be going
to Magic and saying I want this guy signed. I

(27:06):
do think that it's fair to say that Magic will
be going to Lebron saying I want to sign this guy.
Is this okay with you? The question is whether or
not that hen convince Lebron if he says no to
that guy to bring him on. And I think Magic
can't look Magic and Lebron have more in common than
Lebron and Jordan, ever, do I mean that the comparison

(27:29):
between Lebron and Jordan to me has not really made sense,
especially as we move in the later part of of
of Lebron's career. Lebron is Magic. He plays, he can't
play five positions, he passes the ball. His mindset is
more of Magic than it is Jordan than it is Jordan's.
And he wants to be the mogul that Magic is

(27:50):
off the court. He wants to be with Shack is right.
He wants to be this international star off the court,
not on the court, off the court um like Shock
is like Magic is. He wants own businesses. He wants
to be a business mogul like they both are, and
that both happened in Los Angeles, and so he wants
to be Magic. So I think that Magic's influence over
player personnel decisions will be more than it was any

(28:14):
other spot that that Lebron is because Lebron respects Magic.
They play the game closely. He wants to be Magic
post career, and so I think he trusts his opinion
more so if he brings him a player and Lebron's
is I'm not quite sure about it. I think Magic
can convinced Lebron this is why I think we need
this guy, and he basically has that power to bring

(28:35):
in quotote whoever he wants. Then I think it's more
likely that Lebron learned a little bit from the Tristan
Thompson and Man Schumpert j R. Smith. You know, let's
overpay these guys because I want him hear situations. I
don't think that he's necessarily going to do that in
l A. But I think between the two of them,

(28:56):
Magic will be the one that cow TEUs to Lebron
instead of Vice. For so now, I do think Lebron
would listen to Magic more than he would listen to
certainly anybody that he dealt with in in Cleveland, even
though he enjoyed David Griffin a lot trusted him a lot.
But I do think that there is something to be
said for Magic's aura and his basketball mind and how

(29:16):
he's watched the sport through the years as well. I
just still believe that if Lebron James wants somebody and
he goes to the Lake and just says I want
this guy, then but they really don't have much of
a choice. But thinking the problem in Cleveland is they
they is Lebron had the leverage by the way over
ownership to get any player he wanted, right because of
about that letter Dan Gilbert wrote. And now he's back

(29:37):
in Cleveland and he's getting him the finals every year again.
And mean he had the leverage. He doesn't have the
leverage here really over over Polanka and Johnson to get
the players that he wants. So I think he does.
I still think he does, and I think that I
don't think he signs if he doesn't believe that he
can do what he wants while he's there. Like what
in his past that he would would would have done

(29:58):
that I didn't work in Cleveland. That that that's what
it is. It did not want He has always done it.
Well he's done. I don't think he did it in
in Miami to that extent that he did in Cleveland. Um,
he's not he's not making roster sension over pat Riley.
He might say I want this guy and then pat
has to decide obviously if he wants to bring him
in or not. But remember, I just I don't think

(30:19):
that that he was making personalities is quite the same
degree over pat Riley that he was in Cleveland, whether
it was you know, going above David Griffin's head or
whether it was going straight to Dan Gilbert saying I
want this player, you have to sign him for for
X amount. And so I I just I find it
hard to believe that he's going to have full say
over player personnel decisions over uh Polinka who who knows

(30:42):
what he's doing, and Matt to Johnson, who knows what
he's doing. So, um, I just I gotta feel that
that Lebron is not going to be that same GM
player as he was. And I look, we we have
reports that he has not talked to Luke Walton. I
actually think that's a positive. I know people think it's
negative that he hasn't talked to him. He doesn't have
he doesn't need a talk to him. Um. I would
actually be worried if he did talk to him for

(31:03):
a long period of time because I think he would
try to influence what Luke Wallen does. And I don't
think it shouldn't be that way. I think that that
Luke should be allowed to set up in an offense
that he thinks works with Lebron. Of things don't work out,
and you can change that offense, but you gotta allowed
the coach to coach, and you got allowed the the
GM to do their job, and maybe they would have
had more championships looking back at the time in Cleveland

(31:26):
if they didn't end up signing all these older players
with terrible contracts. I think Lebron will start wielding his power,
just not yet like I know he could, but I
don't know that he can win if he doesn't think
they're gonna bring in another person, and it certainly doesn't
look like right now at least they are. But when
you get to the off season next year, that's when
I think Lebron starts to actually put pressure on management

(31:46):
to get things done that he wants to see done.
Let's bring in the l A crew real quickly before
we get to break as Lakers fans of people that
have people that have watched that team, not Mike Mayor,
he's watched Lebron James though, Uh, what do you think
about this debate? Yeah? I think It's kind of like
being Howard Stern's program director, except in your own right.
You were a huge radio star prior to getting into programming.

(32:09):
So how does that dynamic work. I think they're gonna
do it by committee, as Jeff said, there's a lot
of respect there. It's one of the reasons why Lebron
was comfortable joining and and teaming teaming up with Magic
because we know, look what happened with Dan Gilbert, so
we know that Lebron is weary about ownership. He likes
Genie Buss. She's proven that she'll spoil the hell out

(32:32):
of a past his prime star in the league. So
and that's turned out to be a good thing. It
was bad for all Laker fans um, you know, during
Kobe's last big contract, but now it's paying dividends because
it's an ownership group that a player like Lebron doesn't
mind ending his career with. So I think that he's

(32:54):
gonna have the last say. But Magic, of course can
veto it, and and they might get into it once
in a while, but it'll be healthy and a healthy
relationship because they both have really good basketball mines. Yeah, okay, well,
I mean I do agree that it's not going to
be the way it was in Cleveland. I mean, I
don't think anybody would think it would be that way,
not with Magic Johnson in the room, the same way

(33:14):
it would have been in Miami. Mike, what are you saying, Well,
of course it's not going to be that way, because
the biggest thing that you guys touch on the relationship
with Dan Gilbert. But also he signed a four year
contract with the Lakers, so so so like the leverage
is in the hands of the Lakers, Like he's going
to have decisions because he's he's gonna have power in
I'm not gonna say he's gonna influence those decisions, but

(33:36):
like he was a god in Cleveland, and they they
had to cater to his every demand just because they
knew at the end of the season or at the
end of two seasons, he was gonna be gone because
he never wanted to commit long term because he didn't
want to be trapped. Now that he's with the Lakers
and he commits four years, I think I think there's
an opt out. I'm not sure, but he's committed. It's

(33:56):
a three, it's a three and one, so he's at
least committed for three years, so you know that Okay
is gonna be a big offseason. He'll probably have a
couple of guys that he'll want to influence. I don't
know if he's gonna be barking at them saying, hey,
go trade for Kawhi Leon or go give up everything
for that. But it's obviously going to be a different

(34:17):
situation than it was in Cleveland, because, like I said,
when Dan Gilbert wrote that letter, and the fact that
Lebron even came back, Dan Gilbert knew he had to
keep his mouth shut. He knew he he couldn't do
anything stupid otherwise Lebron was gonna leave in Lebron end
up leaving, Yeah, and I think he got the last laugh.
And of course Dan Gilbert tries to take the high

(34:37):
road now, but unfortunately the low road is going to
dog him for the remainder of his career and he's
never gonna be able to get out from underneath it.
I think Dan Gilbert originally actually benefited the reason he
got Lebron back, or maybe the big reason. I know
he's tied to the community, but I also think Lebron,
James and his people were smart enough to know. Look,
if you go back to Cleveland and win a ring,
holy cow, And that's exactly what ended up happening. Couple

(35:00):
of fortuitous things happened with Draymond getting suspended, Kyrie making
some big shots late in that series, and of course
to chase Down blocking all that. Then all of a
sudden you have a legend and then Lebron James can
go ahead and leave and go to l A and
it wouldn't be the same. Like I don't I would
love to know whether or not he would have left
had they not won two years ago, or how that
would have played out, or how Cleveland would have seen it.

(35:21):
But we don't have to see that now. But an
interesting discussion, to say the least. We'll be right back.
I'll kick the coverage on Fox Sports Radio. All right,
I know this. I didn't realize this was high five.
They used to rock this on one or two jams
back in the day. Yeah, from game Teddy. Teddy Riley
wrote this, Wow, it's been twenty seven years since this.

(35:48):
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(36:08):
most rewarding to do you do today. Clay Travis is
back on Monday in his seat trying to fill it
is me. I'm Jason Martin. You've heard me on this
show in the past. Jeff Schwartz, you've heard him on
this show in the past as well. Danny G. Mcmayer,
Eddie Garcia rounding out the out kick team for today.
We'll do a great debate next hour, but I want
to talk a little bit of football here in this

(36:29):
last few minutes. What's your reaction, Jeff is somebody that
played in the league for eight years? Uh you, I'm
sure you have a stronger opinion on this than probably
a lot of other people. T O not gonna go
to the Hall of Fame instead, He's announced over the
last few days he's gonna speak at you tea Chattanooga
four hours before the ceremony starts. And I've seen a
lot of players, especially Hall of famers, that are just

(36:51):
so upset by this. And I look at it and
I think the Pro Football Hall of Fame is the
one that's incredibly hard to get into. Now Baseball is
pretty hard as well, But you look at a lot
of Hall of Fames, they're starting to get more lack
a days ago in terms of how easy it is
to potentially get in with stats that might not otherwise
have done so twenty years ago. But the NFL is

(37:11):
still something that is extremely coved. It's hard to get
into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Teo doing this
to me is the most t o thing ever, because,
more so than him being upset, this screams I just
want a lot of people to cover me instead of
covering the event. How do you, and maybe if you've
had this conversation with any of your peers feel about
what TiO has done here? Well, I feel it's pretty split.

(37:34):
I mean, I think there's a large CONFI of people
who say good for him. He's it's it's his Hall
of Fame induction. He could he could decide to do
it how he wants. I saw something that that I
did not know. I think actually, Whitlock tweeted out that
the expenses for the Hall of Fame weekend can be
between two hundred and five thousand dollars. It makes sense

(37:54):
if you think about you throw a big throw a
big party, you invite your friends and family, obviously cover
the cost of their travel in their hotels and and
he said, the typically teams picked that up, and no
team is gonna pick that up. Really, I don't. I
don't think for for t o. So that's interesting to
the thing about the cost of that. UM. Look, I
think the Hall of Fame weekend to me is a

(38:15):
celebration of of obviously the individual um, but also the
celebration of your class, the celebration of of the NFL
in general. And obviously he feels kind of jaded by
the NFL, and so he's using this opportunity to honor
himself and not honor you know, the rest of his
of his colleagues and and and people that he would
be in a Hall of Fame with. I don't it's

(38:37):
just it is very Teo like and and I I
don't have a strong opinion either way. I wish you
would have gone. I would have enjoyed to his speech there.
I don't I don't know if I'm gonna to watch
or listen to his speech now obviously. UM, I hope
that he's not going to petty route and he said
get your popcorn ready. I hope he doesn't go petty
and and just start calling out a bunch of people. UM.

(38:58):
I hope he's hum about about his his his Hall
of Fame acceptance and I much as the point he's
not there, I think the weekend, Um, I think he
will look back and maybe regret uh not having been there,
uh to celebrate amongst his peers and and get that
jacket with everyone else. I mean, he absolutely deserves it,
and he probably should have gotten done in the first year.

(39:19):
I mean what his argument is not wrong, but he
is t o and sometimes like like not like not
every not wide receivers in general, first of all, do
not get in when they should. I mean, takes a
little bit longer for them to get in. He got
his third year. It wasn't like so. So my thing
is like, so Jerry Kramer who got in for the Packers.
You know he played last played in like seventy two.

(39:40):
Should he be bitter about and hold his own his
own like, are we just all gonna be? I think
he probably I'm saying he should have probably gotten in.
He's his first year. You look at his numbers. He's
one of the receiver of all time. Yeah, so I'm
not I'm not really defending I'm not defending him being bitter.
I do say, yeah, he probably should have gotten in
the first time, but that's just the brakes. Be a

(40:02):
pro about it. We'll be back two more glorious OutKick
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(40:22):
m J versus Lebron today. I doubt it. There's other
things that you can beat into the ground today in sports,
but there's always things you can beat into the ground
in sports, which is why we came up with its
great debates concept. Here on OutKick a couple of months ago,
and we've done some of them. I missed the last one.
I think it was the fourth of July food one
that went down last week. But I was here for

(40:44):
the Jasmine versus aerial debate. I was here for Chick
fil A versus everybody. I was certainly here for peanut
butter versus Jelly, in which Danny, you can speak to this.
We dominated Clay because for some reason he went with jelly,
which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Well, that's the only

(41:05):
reason you would have done that. He made a little
more sense with the fourth of July debate because that
one was hot dogs versus Hamburgers. Oh see, I didn't
know that you guys have done that. I picked that
one out and I was like, but that dogs answers Hamburger.
I'm sorry, Yeah, yeah, Hamburger, Hamburger. I might have gone dog.
I'm not sure. Oh, I would have gone with pizza

(41:27):
and just you can keep your sandwiches. I feel I
feel like, I feel like it's hard for you to
have a food debate considering that you have had one
stake in your life and you didn't have chicken either.
As like a kid, can I tell you something though,
I have. I've now this this person that introduced me
on my first steak, she's also introduced me to Thai
food and over the last like six weeks. Wow, look

(41:49):
at you stepping out. I like it. She's broadening your
your your horizons. She's probably very good for me. What's
your favorite ethnic food so far? I mean I didn't
didn't sense that much of a difference. I guess from
what I got into Chinese and what I got as
high place. But I enjoyed Chinese a lot, like had
the egg roll, had the orange chicken. Uh, I was

(42:12):
pretty happy with the whole meal. You had never had
Chinese food before. No, and orange chicken too. You know this,
Danny is like the it's like not it's introductory. It's like, yeah,
it's like very big. I remember the first time my
wife and I got sushi, and she ordered a Japanese bagel,
which is basically a crabstick cream cheese in a in

(42:34):
a roll. Then it's deep fried. I'm like, that's that's
not sushi. That's not like it's like the most unsushi.
Think you can order a sushi restaurant, and sushi has
been discussed by the way sushi has been discussed by us.
I think the next play that we're doing is a
Brazilian steakhouse. I think that's happening over the next couple
of weeks. For a week before you go there. That'll

(42:56):
break your that'll break your die there, buddy, it's all right.
I think I can break it one day, right, Like
I think at this point I'm okay to do that.
But for real, is that's so many calories that it'll
stay in your body for a month and they literally
have to roll you out of those places in a wheelbarrel.
I'm not exaggerating, Danny. To me, it's not it's not

(43:18):
the it's not the actual it's the salts. Whenever I
eat those places, I get the meat sweats. Like when
I go home at night, it's not very comfortable because
all the salt. Like you just it's like, I mean,
think about you're just eating you know, steak in different
varieties of state and so as so much. I'll just
be careful, Jason, Like it's just it's gonna be an

(43:39):
experience that you haven't had in a while, all right,
And I know it's like in all you can eat deal,
like once you pay you just yeah, it's like you
used to go to the buffets back in your big day.
So it's like that except except deluxe meats and no sounds.
I saw Golden Cross people, but its Golden Crowd like

(44:01):
kids has the kids and I don't I'm not a
terribly big fan of but like it has kids, kids
eat like a dollar ninety nine. I'm like, what, I
should set my kids there every night to be the
cheapest buffet? I think so? Or is it like you
get like a kid's meal at gold Gril, like one
that's still pretty good though, dollar nine nine for sure meal? Um,

(44:21):
I'll look it up. I thought. I think I saw.
The problem is I wouldn't eat. I just wouldn't eat there,
and I wish would take them my daughter eats like
my daughter, that would be well worth the one night.
My son doesn't eat very much, so that that would
not be even for dark night. Now I'm not sure
that that would be worth it, but yeah, I think
I think it's what it was. I think it was
like like a dollar nine And I mean there's places
in Charlotte that the kids eat for free at night
and it just so draws in. Um, it draws in

(44:44):
the you know the adults fair enough, so great debates.
We put it on Twitter, Um which one you would
and what you were most interested by? Now Hamburger versus
hot Dog? I included because I did not know that
it had been done. And it's currently in second place,
but third place is pretty close. At Mary versus single
Superman Batman pulling up the rear right now with the

(45:06):
vote but dominant. And this is the one I would
have picked. This is the one that I assumed everyone
out there would pick, or more people would, and it's
winning right now by twenty percent of the vote. Is
college football versus the NFL. We have a eight year
NFL veteran down in Charlotte, North Carolina, and now, of

(45:26):
course we have me and we have the guys out
in l A. And I think this is quite the
battle royal, quite frankly. Our telephone number is eight seven
seven six three six nine at eight seven seven nine
nine on Fox. You can line up to have your argument.
I will lead off. The answer is college football, and
I don't think it's close. And I'm not just speaking

(45:49):
as Clay as proxy, but he would agree. Here's your
argument for the NFL. I'll make the argument for the NFL.
The only argument that you can really make is, Look,
the football is definitely a little bit higher quality when
you get to the NFL, certainly that it is in
college football, and that's it. The sport is nowhere near
as much fun, the atmosphere is nowhere near as much fun,

(46:12):
the game, the unpredictability of the college game because more
mistakes are made, because these are younger kids that sometimes
their emotions get the better of them. To me, that
just adds to it. Also, the fan bases in college football. Now,
I know that there are places in the country that
just don't experience this to the same level we do

(46:34):
here in the South, But college football tailgates and the
fan bases and the die hard nature of it and
the rivalries created, to me, the NFL can't even come close.
So when you look at all of what makes college
football great, the atmosphere, the tailgating, all of those things,

(46:55):
to me, college football is a far superior, far more entertaining,
far more consistently unpredictably holy crap, did you just see
that than the stodgy, no fun league the NFL. And
I don't think that there is an argument to be
made against this. Anyone that does is flat out wrong.

(47:17):
But I'm sure that that's what's about to happen. So
the ant double A is so predictable that they have
like the same teams in the playoffs every year, Right,
That's what That's how I'm predicting. Patriots don't make the
playoffs every year, Jeff Stewards don't make the playoffs pretty
much every year? Do they win? Do they win? The
same teams? In college football within the championship almost every year?
Patriots almost one another super Bowl? This year, they almost did,

(47:38):
but they did not. Uh, there's been since since since
two thousand and one. I looked this up the other
day because someone was dogging on the NFL has no parody.
I think there's eight. There's eight teams that have won once,
two teams that have winn one twice, and then there's
a Patriots obviously, which is basically like Alabama football. Look.
I understand that the pageantry of college football, I I
enjoy it myself. Um, I enjoy the bands, I enjoy

(48:00):
the tailgating, I enjoy uh watching college football. But to me,
college football and a lot of times has gotten and
this is more from my personal just kind of xCE
and OS. It's just kind of boring. Man with the
spread offenses. To me, I'm tired of watching them. I'm
tired of watching swing passes and and play aquesa passes
with dudes wide open all over the field. I get
a lot of points scored, and look, I'm a pack

(48:21):
twelve guy. We scored a lot of points in in
in the conference. Doesn't help us actually win outside the conference,
which I wish we would do more often. Um, but
I'm always going to want to watch the pro over
the college. I feel the same way about the NBA
versus college basketball. I don't understand how people can enjoy
watching um talent that's inferior on the college level to

(48:42):
talent that's that's superior. And I understand like the NFL
has not set itself up for success in the first
month of season. The first month of season is disaster
because of training camp. Now, so the first month of
season is almost used like a de facto training camp
in preseason, where guys are kind of getting into shape
and rounding into form, and it's not for the sport.
I wish that, if possible, we could go back to

(49:03):
making training camp UM tougher and more important to where
you started, you know, start fast out the gate, because
the problem is is this is the issue, man, is
the first four weeks the year are so bad. Um
they've been bad for three or four years now. That
turns people off of the sport. And then you don't
realize that the last month of the season, the playoffs,
the Super Bowl are always fantastic and uh and that's

(49:25):
always a problem with NFL, and I hope it changes.
But I understand why people like college football. I like
it as well, but I'm always going to to defer
to to the pro game is something I want to watch,
especially my personal preference from an X and those perspective,
and and just having a variety of the way of
a variety of ways you can win games. I mean,
college football typically you win games by literally scoring forty

(49:47):
seven points a game, and at times, I'm just kind
of tired of watching un college football. I mean that's fair. Now,
keep in mind that the Great Debates concept is built
around the idea that for some reason, if you like
Michael Jordan, you're supposed to hate Lebron James and not
be sorry. Okay, I hate college I hate I hate
college football. Then, thank you very much, thank you for
thank you for playing the game. I just I just

(50:08):
I despised college football. I'm never watching again. I'm gonna
actually stop covering it for everything I do, just because
you're gonna stop calling it. No more analysts work for
you either, No more. I'm gonna I'm gonna quit the
patchwall of network radio show that I have. I'm gonna
just gonna. I'm gonna drop the Joe Moore wark that
I'm on. I'm gonna we're all in the NFL, all in. Yeah, Okay,
thank you for playing the game properly, Dan and the

(50:31):
college athletes you know, and um, actually, I justly hate
college football. I'm trying to and there's more. Uh No, okay,
that's good, that's good. I had an angle to go,
but I'm not sure that I can phrase it right
to end up making it sound like I hate college football. So, Jeff,
you and you made the you made your argument, but
you didn't have really anything to say to to go

(50:51):
against mine, Like all of the points that I made,
you basically just left there on the table, like you
know what, he's right, he's right, he's right, he's right.
But in NFL so I don't I don't know that.
I don't know how strong one I said my lawyer had,
I don't know how strong that case was. Well, I
did say that there's no parody and in college football,
which it really is not. Um and that's what it's
always a joke about. Like parody and sports, there's really

(51:13):
almost none. If you look at the NBA, there's never
a parody. Baseball has got a little bit of it.
The NFL has more parody of people think. I know
that people want to talk about the Patriots, but if
you look at the Super Bowl winners over the last
seventeen years, um, they're they're they're different outside the Patriots,
of course, and then you look at college football, but
how much has changed in the a f C though,
like you talking about the Patriots, like the NFC has

(51:34):
been interesting, but you since like since since I think
the same year two thousand one, actually since two thousand three,
I believe, since Tampa Bay won that won that championship,
it's been basically for the a f C, it's been
big Ben Payton, Manning, Tom Brady and one year of
Joe Flaccer in then FC Championship game or that's about
That's that's about it. Yeah, alright, Let's let's take a

(51:54):
break here so that Danny can put down all of
his Raiders bullet points, so that when we come back
for him the break, we'll get his thoughts, We will
get Mike Mayer's thoughts. We might bring in Eddie Garcia
as well, and we'll certainly bring you into the conversation,
especially if you agree with me that college football is
far superior to the NFL. Our telephone number is eight
seven seven six three six nine. Great debates college football

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Click Travis back on Monday. I'm Jason Martin used to
be the executive producer of this fine program joined by
Jeff Schwartz. Is always down in Charlotte at g e
O F. F. Schwartz on Twitter. I'm at J Mart
out kick the man that replaced me, Danny g out
in l A, Mike mayor Eddie Garcia out there as well.
We're doing the Great Debates. We're not talking to m
J versus Lebron, We're not talking about a lot of

(53:01):
the things that sports media will go to. And we
had somebody tweet us that says, I understand the importance
of having debates, but arguing which football is better is
like trying to argue which chocolate cake is better. I mean,
it's all chocolate, and chocolate is awesome. Again, the point
of the Great Debates is mocking the idea that you
can't like both things I love. You cannot like all

(53:23):
types of chocolate cake. That's false. What are you talking about, Jeff?
What do you mean you can't like all kinds of
chocolate cake? Well, for example, you just drop that statement,
then just back away from the microphone. We're doing radio here.
For example, if you put different flavors into your chocolate cake,
that might not be agreeable with me that I'm mocking
like your chocolate cake. If it's okay? Am I right?

(53:48):
Or wrong about that. I guess it depends. I guess.
I mean, you could put something in a chocolate cake
that I wouldn't like. I also dark chocolate, so if
it's a dark I'm not a huge fan of dark chocolate,
it's gonna be the right kind of dark chocolate. I'm
certainly in milk started all of a sudden, but I
still eat the dark chocolate cake. It's not like I
would have put away and say no away from me.

(54:08):
You guys, You guys pretty much just proved in the
last minute how dumb the debates are. Yeah. See, that's
the whole thing, that's the whole point of the Great
Debates is that I love Michael Jordan's I also love
Lebron James. I don't have to destroy one because I
like the other, because I favor the other. It's not
like Ariel is not attractive because I went with Jasmine,

(54:30):
even though I went with Ariel. Like, all of these
arguments are so ridiculous and they are just there to
eat up time. So in this great debate today is
college football versus the NFL. I love the NFL, but
college football is better. Thus I went with college football,
and thus I'm burying the NFL. That is the whole

(54:50):
concept behind the OutKick great debates. So the guy that
tweeted and said it's like all kinds of chocolate cake
when you're looking at all kinds of football exactly that
the entire point. So who you got in college football
in the NFL? I went with a college game. Jeff
predictably went with the NFL and made a terrible argument.
Now let's go to Los Angeles. Also, if you want

(55:11):
to join us at eight seven seven six three six
nine at eight seven seven nine nine on Fox, you
can tweet Jeff at Jeff Schwartz. You can tweet me
at j Mart out kick, you can hit at Danny
G Radio. We need to get Mike and Eddie out
there as well, and we can get their Twitter accounts going.
But all right, Danny, go ahead and talk about the
Oakland Raiders for the next five minutes. I'll just uh
go get I'll go freshen up my coffee, Jeff and

(55:35):
uh j Mart. This has nothing to do with the Raiders.
Even if the Raiders didn't exist, I would still choose
the National Football League. Come on, I I would since
I was a little kid. It's been my favorite sport.
As far as the NFL goes, I feel a connection
to eat just about every NFL city, from collecting football

(55:56):
cards to watching each team nationally every Sunday and every Monday. See.
College football is regional and and I know it's changing
a little bit. It's growing, and the popularity of college
football has grown. But the NFL has always been on
a national stage. I've attended U, C, L, A, and
USC games. I've also attended Raider Charger Niner games. I'm sorry,

(56:21):
but the depth of what was going on as far
as a win or a loss in the pro game,
meant so much more than the adults yelling at student
athletes from the bleachers. I don't want to I don't think.
I don't want to see a pyramid. I don't want
to see a pyramid with a dude chair squad spot ter.
I want to see NFL chair leaders. And then there's parody.

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Jeff set that up very nicely, and I'll give you
a timely reference here. It's from nineteen sixteen. Alright, Cumberland
versus Georgia Tech in this football game, Jeff, I'll let
you guess first, what was the final score? Oh? It
wasn't like a nice guy, Jamesons say somewhere in like

(57:09):
the one seventy two something range. I know it's I know,
it's an abysmal. I I get it. It's basically Yukon
versus somebody in women's basketball. Now, this was a college
football game, two hundred and twenty two to zero. All right,
in the NFL, what's the last huge blowout you can recall,
they don't happen that often. There's not as many David

(57:32):
versus Goliath scenarios. So that's just another reason why the
NFL trump's all over college football. It's just a bad argument.
The whole thing is just I'm very disn't to college football.
It's regional. But that's like you guys trying to argue
in and out against us when I've never had in
and out before. Basically, you're saying that the NFL is

(57:53):
better because McDonald's is better than the regional No, I'm
saying that because Donald's international. I have a feeling, uh
that's special with every team. I had favorite players on
every single team, whereas college football there's so many different schools.
I don't have a connection. I don't know the story
of the school of each because no one accepted you.

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I did go to college, but they didn't have a
they didn't have a big football team. But did they
have any football team. They had a basketball team that
was decent, The Warriors there at cal State standard the Warriors,
the Warriors when that's when the NBA Warriors stunk. So
our Warriors Warriors were actually good at my campus. But no, seriously,

(58:39):
you have a connection as an NFL fan I think,
in my humble opinion, that you can't really have as
a college football fan. I mean, I guess unless you're
a billionaire and you can just travel around to every
single school and uh and experience every single college football stadium.
I mean, that would obviously be fun. But why do
you think that? Like, I mean, I get it because

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you're a Raiders fan and you've seen that. And there
are a couple of fan bases in the NFL, like
the Packers and things like that where you could make
sort of an argument, but even those, to me, like,
there are so many more top flight fan bases in
college football, even outside the SEC. You can look at
like Oklahoma and Texas and Ohio State in Michigan and
Penn State and even like sc and Oregon individual fan bases.

(59:26):
I'm talking about you and obviously when you're watching college football,
especially if you went to that school, you're chairing for
your one school. Whereas if it's a really good NFL game,
I could watch that game. Do you understand what I'm saying.
Didn't you watch Oklahoma State in Oklahoma and come on
this airways during the last college football season and just
talk about how great that game was. It was like

(59:47):
sixty to fifty. So that's destroying Jeff Schwartz's argument and
yours because I know you don't care about the Cowboys
versus as Sooners on a random Saturday on FC, but
you're gonna pick out one game and say that we
just picked to pick the stat from nineteen sixteen to
make your argument about then to show the kind of
blowouts that we see in college football often every season. Also,

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the professional players get compensated for their for their work
on the field, also a big plus for the NFL.
Speaking of overused sports debates, that was another reason we
came up with the Great Debates, right. We came up
with not just because of m J versus Lebron, but
also because the other most overused cliche arguments, one of
them being pay college athletes or not, And we went

(01:00:32):
through a couple of others as well. All Right, Mike
Mayor is a Cleveland Browns fan, He's a Cleveland sports fan.
So I'm praying that he understands that you can't be
a bigger NFL fan if you're a Cleveland Browns fan
and you are a college football fan. But he's on
the West coast, so I'm a little bit fearful. I'm
actually kind of with you, Jason on this because, like,
first off, as being a Browns fan, it's really hard

(01:00:55):
to kind of be involved with the NFL and really
like for me in terms of being in college football,
look at look at all the like all the faith
that Cleveland Browns fans have had. They've had to go
through the draft and they had to trust. Hey falling
in love with a u Is Baker may feel going
to be the next great guy. He's a Highstman Trophy.

(01:01:15):
Butter like Johnny Manzel, you're basing a lot of what
you know off of what these guys did in college.
And it's for me, like just from being in this
business and I started off at the bottom being an
editor covering college football on Saturdays, like that was vastly
more fun for me than what than doing it with NFL,

(01:01:36):
because there's just there's just a lot with the NFL
that bothers me, and like a lot a lot of
it with Caddell and stuff. But it's just you look
at all the like you mentioned, Jason, all these iconic
fan bases, how they get riled up on Saturdays. Those
are like one of those things. And and unfortunately when
I was in college, I didn't get a chance to
appreciate that. So I guess I maybe have more of
an affinity with seeing these these fan bases, Like I

(01:01:59):
have I family that goes to that went to Ohio State,
and I've always wanted to go to the Horse you
to know what it feels like to being at a
hundred thousand see stadium for Ohio State Michigan going to
like I'm going to, I mean whereas And I know
this is kind of a bad comparison because comparing Ohio
State the Brons, that's like comparing the Patriots to the Browns,
because like it's like Ohio States like way more of

(01:02:21):
a bigger brand than the Cleveland Browns are right now.
But you just take a look at it and how
Ohio rallies around Ohio State. It just kind of puts
into perspective like, yeah, college football is better, at least
on my end. Also, you have I really hope you
would say college football. You also have gigantic names in

(01:02:41):
the coaching ranks. When you talk about the NFL, you've
got Bill Belichick and then a lot of people can't
name a whole long Yeah, that's that's That's another great
point too, because like you look at no, that's a
bad point because we have to tune in and look
at a head football coach. I want to see players
playing at the highest level. An i'd like to have
coach I like to have. You got a bunch of

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you basically got a bunch of Donald Trump's and Hillary
Clinton's college football people. One of the most like every
everybody is hanging on Nick Saban's words. No matter what
he says, he's always angry, he's always a red assid
and and it's entertaining, like the only one, the only
And also you got other great cads like Harbaugh, like
har Harbor not going back to the NFL and in

(01:03:27):
like being in Michigan, even though that team hasn't been good.
We pay attention to Michigan because he's just a big
personality Urban Meyer. I mean, you could go down the
list and then and then just talking about these coaches
like Jason you were, you were in knock, You're you're
around tennis in Tennessee, like with with with what happened
with that search, Like that was just such a bizarre situation,

(01:03:48):
but it was so riveting and we were all paying
attention to it. We were talking about it because I ridiculous.
Was nothing Clay caused all that. It's not. It's not
the yearly Marvin Lewis, Well you get fired. That's infuriated.
You tell me how many famous NFL head coaching meltdowns
there have been over the years. Think about what from

(01:04:11):
Mike Singletary to Denny Green, Jim Mora, thank you. The
list goes on and on and on. Yeah, there's a
few meltdowns and press conferences. You've got guys that are
basically I know, Clay has made it, made it this way,
he said, basically in a lot of cases, these college
football coaches are the most important people in the States.
And it's true and It's not just a couple of guys.

(01:04:32):
You can point out a couple of press conferences anywhere
that have gotten out of control. You wanna talk about
Mike Gundhy being forty, you want to talk about it.
There's been any number of those kinds of things in
college football as well out So if anything that are
that argument doesn't put college football in front of the NFL.
Which coaches would you rather pay attention to? The ones

(01:04:52):
in college are the ones in the NFL? And if
you say the NFL, you're a liar. I'm not tuning
in to look at the head coach on the side line,
It doesn't affect it. It doesn't make it more enjoyable
to watch Nick Saban get beat the same way it
does Belichick. But then you have a bunch of other
guys that are certainly more interesting than I don't know,

(01:05:14):
Bill O'Brien for example, down in Houston. There are just
a lot of guys naturally in college football that stir
up the pot all week long, and then you love
them or you hate them, but you're paying attention to
what they're doing. To me, there's just so much more
compelling things happening in college football at this point than
there are in the NFL. That's why all we did

(01:05:36):
was talking about how the NFL ratings fell all last
year basically while college football went in the opposite direction.
College football is just a better product. Now. I want
to bring in Eddie Garcia and we're gonna change this
music bed to the other one so that we can
get his sports update. But also I believe he is
a Steelers fan with Charger season tickets, or that's been

(01:05:58):
the case in the past. That is accurate, and that's Uh,
there's a lot to get into. I married, I'm married
into Charger season tickets, so yes, but I have I
have been a season ticket holder in the NFL and
college football. And to make a short and suite, I
I enjoyed the college experience a lot more, and I
don't I I went to a small school. I went

(01:06:18):
to Fresno State. Uh, you know, but I love the tailgating,
I love the pageantry, the fight songs, even like the bands.
It's just it's it's a more fun experience to me
college football than it is the NFL. Well, at least
Derek Carr went there, so we'll give you a pass.
Thanks well, Daniel, I want to hold on reserve on
that he may have another year like you did this
past year. Let's let's go to Make League Baseball scoreboard.

(01:06:40):
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a battle of first place teams. Milwaukee right now has
a game and a half lead on Chicago with that
win in the NL Central, Atlanta's lead on Philadelphia top
the n L East is down to one game. Diamondbacks
lows of the pod Raise six to three. Arizona now
is in a first place tie with the l A
Dodgers in the n L West. Astro's walk off for
the four three went over the White Sox. Mariners beat

(01:07:02):
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half back of Houston and the a L West Race
Nationals were down nine nothing. They rally back for a
fourteen to twelve win over the Marlins behind Trade Turner,
who had two home runs and eight RBI. Quarterfinal actually
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(01:07:45):
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hard part figure hearing out which way is easier. I
was a little surprised. I thought Eddie might be going
with the pros there. He surprised me and went on

(01:08:06):
the right side of this argument and got this thing hack.
He Well, I'm I'm a little bit of an anomaly.
I guess in that my mom is from Birmingham, Alabama,
and grew up her whole family are huge Crimson Tide fans.
So when I was a kid anytime they were on TV,
they were always on in our house, and that was
the only sport my mom watched, So in my house,

(01:08:26):
it was like that was a big deal. Why is
my mom watching this? This is weird. She doesn't watch
anything else but that. I don't know. It just kind
of made an impression on me. A college football was
kind of a little more special than the NFL. Alright,
so we'll keep you close to the microphone and keep
everybody else close to microphone as well. If we were
to expand this and say college basketball versus in the NBA,
we would all go with the NBA. Right at this point,
college basketball has basically been destroyed? Or am I wrong?

(01:08:49):
Anybody disagree with that? I would pick none of the above.
Eddie's not a big NBA follower, okay, but I think
the rest of us would choose NBA. Would that have
ever been different? Like for me, it would have been
there would have been a time where college basketball would
have won, but not anymore. And now I look back
and I'm like, well, not that much has changed. But
college basketball is basically a three week season and the

(01:09:14):
players don't stay at their schools. Yeah, that's the biggest
the biggest problem is the one that done rule, is
like these guys don't stick around, like at least in
college football, these guys are staying at least three years,
and you're sort of getting to know them in their
journey to get to the pros, like in the in
the end, like with the one and done rule, that's
kind of just sort of ruined everything. You get to
know these guys. For one, you're like, we're watching the

(01:09:34):
NBA Draft and once you get past like pick fourteen,
you're like, who the heck is Troy Brown? Who the
heck is this guy? That's a really good point. Yeah,
it's just like you don't know these guys. Like after
Michael Porter's junior got picked at fourteen for the Nuggets,
You're like, you didn't really know who the heck these
guys were. Even some of the guys who were taken
in the top ten, you didn't know who they were.
So it was it's just you're you're basing it off

(01:09:56):
of like projections. Really in college basketball, like you said,
it's a three week season that we all get crazed
over because March madness is insane, but we don't really
care about anything else that goes into the season like
the season begins in November. Nobody cares, like you get
these these these preseason turning, nobody cares. Nobody cares about it. Yeah,

(01:10:20):
that's right to expanding it out. This is Jordan's versus
Lebron and you guys brought Robert Ory into the conversation
when we brought Kobe Bryant in that conversation, Robert Or
has the most rings well in this era at least,
does anybody else have any bad NFL arguments? Are you?

(01:10:40):
Are you guys? Have you guys sufficiently gotten rid of
all of your bad NFL arguments because I think you're
getting just absolutely trounced right now. We did have one
person tweet and say, hey, Danny g take it easy
on Cumberland. I'm a proud grad. Love love Cumberland. Have
no idea where that school is, but shut shouts out
to Cumberland. Obviously, out Kick the coverage is huge in

(01:11:02):
SEC country, and there's always gonna be there's gonna be
SEC bias. We know this going into this debate. So
for for true OutKick fans to bash on the NFL,
that's not gonna be surprising. If that happens. So if
you're making the pro NFL case, Danny, why don't you
like college football? No? I like college football? No, no, no, no,

(01:11:23):
you can't do that. Yeah, it's a great debates. Why
do you hate college football? I don't Why do you
hate student athletes? They're trying to do their best. I
gotta admit there's something about the unmocking images the band
camp kids. They're playing the the instruments. Stop playing for
a second. It gives me a headache. It's almost as

(01:11:44):
bad as those horns they play in the the World Cup. Yeah,
are you kidding? I'm serious. Stop. Like just from a
guy who loves the NBA where there's constantly music playing, No,
I don't like that. I don't like that instrumental versions
of eminem I don't like that at four playing in
the background while you're playing defense. Eddie. I'm glad you
brought that up because that annoys me. Actually, I was

(01:12:05):
at a Lakers game and I thought, okay, stop stop
with that over the loudspeakers. I want to watch the game.
There's two There's just too much crowd stuff going on
at the college football games I attended. I could see
why drunk people love it so much because it's great
people watching and there's so much years old. No, no, no, no, no,

(01:12:27):
what I'm needed to be silent? You need to be
a golf outing every time you want to know, not silent.
But I don't want to hear a band. I don't
want to hear the nerds from band class playing while
I'm trying to watch football. Let's let's get real here.
Nothing is as annoying as the ella that that was.
That was one of the worst creations of all time

(01:12:49):
because you legitimately and that what eight years ago, and
and like you couldn't watch a game with it out
without its sounding like a bunch of bees were flying on.
Some of those bands are are cool, and I like
it at halftime, but when they're interrupting the game, and
I feel like in the game it's not like there's
a time out, No, they're just playing it there and

(01:13:11):
they're playing like a ten second interlude leading into the
next snap. It's always it's always bugging me day. Speaking
about music at at stadiums and ball games, I've seen
complaints on Twitter that the Dodgers play way too much
music the entire game. Do you find that to be
the case. I mean, I could see how people would

(01:13:31):
make that argument. But in Los Angeles it's always been
a part of Dodgers Stadium. Obviously, the organ music has
not not just not but yeah, but the time I
just playing music, not from the organ, just just playing records,
I mean, playing individual songs the entire time, even during
even time on the walk ups, all the all the
world up. People complain that even between innings, the Dodgers

(01:13:54):
blast music the whole time, and people can't have conversations,
they can't enjoy themselves the organ music the way I
think the organ music in the NFL and the NBA
should be. Okay, The problem with me is all like
the the hip hop and the rock and all that
stuff that's playing during the course of the game. To me,
that's just always playing music, is always playing dr stadium,
and it used to be just the organ. It was

(01:14:15):
kind of like cool to have the organ playing. But
they don't really play the organ much anymore. No, I agree.
I mean I think that the organ actually added something
to it, and I think the NHL gets it right.
And here I think Eddie's probably nodding somewhere in the
update studio because they will play some stuff, but as
soon as the face off comes, the music stops and
we get back to it might be a little bit

(01:14:36):
of organ music, but we're not hearing you know, white
Snake as they're actually moving the puck up and down
the ice. So I think college football winning over the
NFL at this point is kind of obvious, like nobody
is going out that we do have the band folks
coming out in force. Danny has come and grad and
he's upset p town. Josh, you just tweeted, don't hate

(01:14:56):
on band NERD's proud former band Nerd. Like I said
a place in time halftime, I love it. I actually
will watch, you know, the performance. I think it's cool,
but while the actual game is going on, it's just
too it's too much. It's overkill, not overkill. I'll kick
the coverage. We got another hour, and we got one
more segment to go before we can get to that hour.

(01:15:17):
We'll do it next. I see what you're doing here,

(01:15:42):
we're live from Nako. I'll kick studios and see I'll
kick the coverage. Radio program. End of a holiday week
that's thrown us all for a loop. We can't do
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yesterday was right, And now today here we are working again.

(01:16:05):
I'm supposed to take batting practice as part of this
like media competition here in town with the minor league
team later today. I think it may it rained out. Yeah,
I'm a little fear it may be quite honest, Huh,
it's gonna be a video of this, I'm hoping not.
I'm thinking I might have all phones confiscated at this
event because the last time I picked up a bat,
I think I was just playing like some fun like

(01:16:26):
a whiffleball of soft all like four years ago. But
I was not a particularly good hitter in little league.
I pitched, and I was pretty good in the field,
but I just was never a particularly good hitter. So
I'm fearful that I'm not going to make contact. And
I don't know that I need that video out there
because I know what the host of this show will
do to me on Twitter as well all of you

(01:16:49):
if that video leaks, and you know for a fact
that video will be out there, there's nothing I can
do to stop it. But the original, the the usual
host of this show. You have muted on Twitter, so
you will not act actually see any of the tweets
directed at you. If there's a video posted of this
incident that's not really true, I wouldn't see his necessarily,
but all of his fans that also follow me, which

(01:17:10):
there are some, I would see all of that. I
feel like you're a new man now. Just you're down
almost two hundred pounds. I feel like you can you
can take that that piece of lumber and try to
make contact. I remember we used to do batting practice, um,
like I don't want the summer with the minor league
team here in Charlotte, And it was always fun to see,
you know, the guys that bragged about how good they
were at high school baseball actually try to hit a baseball. UM.

(01:17:33):
And there's always a random dude who just hits a
bunch of Jack's and you're like shocked that that guy
can hit because you never thought they'd be good at baseball.
And I also don't know like who's pitching, or I
don't know if it's coming out of machine. I don't
know how fast it's coming. Like there's a lot of
variables here that have me someone someone up at what

(01:17:55):
speed do you think, like when you're whatever speed you
wanted at. No, Well, I mean it's not like home
run derby. I just didn't know if we were gonna
go up there and they were gonna try and throw
like eighty five heat or whatever like that that they
want to. They want you to to succeed, Jason. They
don't want you to, don't want video of you of
you striking out. They'll throw it exactly where you want

(01:18:16):
it thrown. Let's say I'm alrighty. If let's say let's
say I get ten pitches, you guys, tell me how
many I make contact with? Uh three towards the end
of your session, Danny, I'm gonna save five half of them,

(01:18:38):
you'll you'll connect on really. Yeah, we're trying for hits
or just just literally touching the bat to the ball. Well,
I mean not even a foul would count, right, Yeah,
I guess. So. Yeah, as long as I'm not like
withing and like swinging five seconds before the ball actually
crosses the plate, you know, that'll be okay. Like if

(01:18:59):
I'm missing and they're good looking cuts, that's one thing.
But nobody's trying to go out there and get humiliated.
Nobody's trying to get embarrassed. I know there are other
people that are also in the boat that are doing
this deal today that also are not you know, athletes
and or anybody that played any kind of real baseball
or haven't played in a long time, and they're also
fearful that they're not going to make contact with the ball.
So it's not like I'm alone. But I just want

(01:19:19):
to go out there and tag one. Just get one
good one, and I'll make that I'll loop that video
until the end of time and talk about what a
fantastic player I am. I'd probably get nine out of ten.
You would get nine out of ten. Yeah, how much
did you get when you did it? When you were

(01:19:41):
doing it once a month? When I hit when I so,
when I hit lefty, I I make contact with all
of them. When I hit righty, I don't. So I
just put hit lefty and just so I don't look
like a fool. Did you play baseball growing up, like
on a real level? Yeah, like high school and club ball? Okay,
we'll play, all right, you played high school? Okay, all right,
we'll I didn't. So that's that's different. If I if

(01:20:02):
I get three. I would be pretty happy with that.
Hopefully nobody's gonna find out what I get. Maybe this
thing will get rained out. That'd be nice. Coming to
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(01:20:26):
still have us all weirded out because it happened on
Wednesday and we've had to work two days since then.
Clay will be back on Monday. He's enjoying the beach.
I'm Jason Martin and with Jeff Schwartz. He's at g
E O F F. Schwartz if you want to troll
him on Twitter, but if you don't follow him, that's
not gonna help you very much. I'm at j Martin
out Kick, same thing with me thanks to him helping
me with my Twitter etiquette. But so we've been doing

(01:20:49):
these great debates today and we're also gonna do some
animal Thunderdome here in a little bit also, But no
m J versus Lebron here, none of the should college
athlete to be paid? Argument? Although it did kind of
crop up during this discussion, and I've tried to lay
this out again. When we came up with the concept
for the Great Debates, the idea is that if you

(01:21:10):
like one, you have to hate the other. And we
think that that's patently absurd and ridiculous, and that's why
we mock it with these Great Debates. The Great Debates
themselves are fun, but the idea is, if you like one,
you can't like the other. Like it's impossible to like
Michael Jordan and also like Lebron James, at least if
you watch television, if you like one, you have to
find ways to hate the other as opposed to loving both,

(01:21:31):
as I do, as Clay does, as most everybody probably does.
That it doesn't seem to be on TV that's trying
to fill a bunch of time. So the Great Debates
today is college football versus the NFL, and I obviously
went the right way with college football. Jeff played in
the NFL, so he goes with the most boring thing ever,
d Raiders fan. I know you played college football as well,

(01:21:53):
but I knew what you were going to do. I
knew where you were headed with this thing, but The
thing is, because I love college football, I can't like
the NFL, which is just insane on the face of it. Luckily,
we don't ever have to actually make these comparisons. We
just have fun with it on the program. So it's
you're Broncos. You probably do hate the NFL right now.

(01:22:15):
I mean concerning your your team's last lack of success
the last couple of years, that's not really necessary to
go down that road. I mean, we did beat your
Carolina Panthers. Who's my Carolina Panthers and no one's my
team is achieved. I mean, I know, I know you're
you're a Chiefs fan, but whatever. You played for the
Panthers and you live in Charlotte, so I'm going I'm

(01:22:37):
calling them your Panthers. Anyway, We've won a Super Bowl,
you have not. How about that? My team growing up
was the Niners, who you have nothing on. So you
just changed? Is that just because your brother plays for
the Chiefs or yes? And when my brother playing for
the Chiefs, I'll probably I'll probably what everyone assumes, I'll
just hate every team because I work in the NFL media.

(01:22:58):
Just everyone assumes I hate everybody, So I will then
be a hater of every NFL team. When my brother
leaves the Chiefs. I will say, when you get into
sports media, it's it you tend to even as a
huge fan of one team, it changes a little bit,
like you start sort of watching the league as a whole,
whatever that league is. I don't think a lot of
people realize that sort of you start to get numb

(01:23:21):
to the fans side of it, because you're starting to
watch everything to try and find storylines. And it is
harder than to be quite as heavy a reuter as
maybe you once were. Like you can still do it,
and I still do do it, But I would say
that it's very easy to not be a stringent in
your fandom once you get into the media. I actually
think that's a good thing. But I think it's actually

(01:23:42):
a byproduct of the industry itself. Yeah, I mean, because
what makes I think, what what makes people there in
this business good analyst is being able to remove the
fan from from yourself. And if I were always of
you the chief or any team the Giants, I played for,
the Panthers, the Vikings, the Lions for a little bit um,

(01:24:05):
if I were to root openly for those four teams,
it would make it seem like I'm not fair in
my analysts work, and so I try to remove it. Now.
I am a fan of the Chiefs, but if you
look at my two tweets or what I've read, I
am critical the Chiefs. I'm critical Indie Reid at times
with the way he played calls. I'm critical with some
personnel decisions things like that. Obviously I cheer for them

(01:24:26):
more than other teams, but I wouldn't be doing my
job unless I was honest about everything. I think that's
what makes UH people enjoy listening to me is I'll
tell you how it is. Um, I don't mind having
to losing friends is the wrong way to put it.
But look, I mean, it's his situation. That's here in Carolina,
where Ryan Kleel is good buddy of mine place center
for the Panthers. Um and his brother plays for the

(01:24:48):
Panthers to Matt Cleo's left tackle. Um for the for
the Panthers signed a big, long term contract here in Carolina,
and probably about early December maybe I was asked UM
to give a couple of quotes about Matt and the
way he's playing, and I said, look, Um, there's a
couple of plays he has every game that are just
not very good. Um. And if you are getting paid

(01:25:09):
eleven million dollars a year, you can't have plays like that.
You know, he'll play great all game, and he'll have
that one play and that's where everyone that's where everyone
will will will focus on. Then I also blamed Cam
Newton a little bit because Cam Newton drops really deep.
He's gotten better at it um and also you know,
put some other factors in there. And so Ryan saw
that article um and were sent to him, and he

(01:25:30):
tweeted out something like like, you know, hey, Jeff Schwartz,
when you whenever you came in the game, we thought
you weren't very good something like that. Right, He used
the quote that I said about his brother back at me,
and he refused to talk to me. Uh, they try
to get him on the radio here with me. He said,
I'm never talking to that guy again. And then eventually
he called me and apologize that we made up. But like,

(01:25:50):
you know, I just give my opinion, man, and I
didn't think it. I thought Ryan would just call me
right away and yell at me. And I think you
had that reaction to it um. But I think that.
That's how I've gone far in this business. Where I
started from is because you've got to give your honest opinion, man,
And I don't mind telling the truth. I think my
friends who play in the NFL know that I'll tell
it the way it is, and if they don't like it,

(01:26:11):
then that's kind of on them. I mean, it's just
the way it is. You learned something new every day, Danny,
did you know that people found Jeff Schwartz entertaining? He
just dropped that in in that last answer where he's like,
that's why entertaining. I say, they enjoy my They enjoy
my opinions because I'm honest. Okay, that you're enjoyable? Yeah,
is that a debate we need to have, especially my

(01:26:34):
appearance very enjoyable committees. I can see that especially during
drinking hours. Fair enough, I don't care people are drunk
reading my stories as long as they read the man,
no matter to me. No, I'm just kidding, obviously. But yeah.
So we've been doing college football versus the NFL today
and it has stirred on some controversy, as you would expect.
On Twitter, some people very stringent in favor of one

(01:26:56):
or the other. I believe we have a couple of
phone calls to stake those, and then then we will
get to some animal Thunderdome, a story that's been sent
to us. I think no short of about seven thousand,
three d and forty six times over the last twenty
four hours. Let's go to Matt. He's right here in
Nashville with us. Matt, how are you good days? How
are you good? Hey? I lean towards the NFL for

(01:27:17):
the fact that they have a playoff system that you
know how to get into the playoff system. Uh, if
college football ever adopted this with maybe conference champions or
they got rid of the Alabama versus Austin p's of
the world, and they just had a real layoff system,
that I think college football could trump the NFL. But
until that time, the playoff system is what makes the

(01:27:40):
NFL better because you don't have some arbitrary committee picky
who makes the playoffs. All right, Matt, let's hang up
on this guy, very very exalid point. I appreciate that point.
It's a very smart call. Score NFL. Jason. Then that
you know what, that is a fairly strong argument. Um,

(01:28:03):
I will I will give Matt points still not as
good as sport overall, college football is much more fun
to watch in the NFL. Joe Baker's field is up next, Joe,
how are you? Okay? Yeah, I think college football probably
more interested this year because but last year my about

(01:28:24):
figured out who has the miss to offense and they
don't pay much defense. And since they changed the rules
in the NFL, and uh well, you want to get
fifteen yards on past in appearance, and you know who
the good quarterbacks are. I think you're gonna be a
little bit more boring this year for some reason. But

(01:28:44):
I think the running backs might have to come into
more plenty, kind of help balance the teams out for Okay, alright, Joe,
pretty Joe, he's a regular college There you go that.
That's one of Jeff's readers right there. I have no
idea what he was talking about. All right, now listen,
listen to this. I'm gonna tell you how the sausage

(01:29:05):
is made. I told you about this two days ago.
I remember, Danny, I told you I was gonna get
you prepared for this job, and I said expect that
phone call about fifteen minutes before the show starts. Where
Clays just like what do you think we should lead
with today? Well, another piece of the sausage is someone
that answered phones for you know, a year and a
half on the show and now you've experienced for experienced
it for a couple of weeks. Is that Joe and

(01:29:26):
Bakersfield calls every day within the first ten minutes or
so the show. He is the first guy every time
I see it light up before Clay has even lit
out a take, or when we were in, before we've
ever really even opened our mouths, he's already got a take.
He hears the word sports and he hears what the
sport is and he immediately is on the phone. His takes,

(01:29:46):
and I say this out of love, are the worst
takes in the history of sports talk radio. He will
sit there, he will sit there and he will start
laying out and it's always the same, and it's it's
it's part of the job that like I'll sit there
with my coffee and the show will begin and I
will start looking at the phones, like, where's line one?

(01:30:08):
I need to talk to Joe? And I answer the
appreciate your call. Well, so Joe calls every day and
I'll just say, all right, I'll kick your name, and
his response is always the same, Yeah, as a Joe
in a banker's field. And then he will lay out
this take and he will talk for three or four minutes,

(01:30:30):
and then he will finish up, and my response has
generally always been the same. And I've always been kind
of conflicted on it, because I think he could be
kind of like a Howard Stern, kind of regular contributor
to the show. But in a way he never dreamed
was going to be the case where we take his
call and give him a sounder every time he comes
onto the show to lay out those takes. So I've

(01:30:52):
always been conflicted as to whether or not it would
make the show more fun to bring him on to
have those takes or to do what I have always done,
which is appreciate it. Joe, You're right, buddy. Click. That's
generally how it's gone. So Joe and Bakersfield has made
this show a couple of times, and usually it's when
we're hosting and somebody else is doing it. Like I
saw when it was put into the chat window that
Joe and Bakersfield was there, I'm like, you know what,

(01:31:14):
let's take Joe and Bakersfield because people don't know enough
about what's happening on this show from time and time,
and I think they're probably fascinated with some of the
ways that we get to some of the things that
we do. Joe and Bakersfield has been a hidden gym
behind the scenes of out Kick since the very infancy
of this program. Danny can speak to it. Mike Mayer,

(01:31:35):
who's answering the phones today, when I saw Joe and Bakersfields,
like Joe and Bakersfields on the line, he's the worst
caller of all time. And Mike's like, you know what,
I kind of got that feeling when I listened to
him for the first fifteen seconds. I'm like, oh, you
did it took your fifteen seconds. So, Jason, how often
did you talk to people and then just like never

(01:31:55):
put them on there? Just you and you and the
caller had a conversation and just never and never ended
to even get put into the into the screen to
possibly come on the show. All right, So there are
a few regulars that call in that just want to
have some kind of conversation with me, and so we'll
have that conversation. I know. That's not a humble brag.
It's not something that I needed, honestly, because I'd have

(01:32:17):
other calls coming at the same time. You're more entertained
than I am. What can you say? Man? Right? Uh so?
And then we would have a few callers like Joe
and Bakersfield that would call up that wanted to get
on air, But generally I would never even put on
hold because I didn't want to make him wait because
I knew we weren't probably going to get to what
they have to say. And I know that, you know

(01:32:37):
the show that precedes us, Ben Maher show has a
lot of those kind of college and some of them
call me. One of them is Paul and Fort Lauderdale.
I believe it is. They used to call me all
the time to talk about the dolphins and the marlins.
He calls from a nursing home. Okay, see, like no
matter what we're talking about, he calls up. It's Paul
and Fort Lauderdale. It's like, all right, well, what do
you want to talk about? He's like, we want to

(01:32:59):
talk about dolphins the time, okay, And and it has
completely nothing related to what Jonas or not even some
of the error is talking about. And like, okay, I mean,
like you're probably not gonna get on because usually when
we take calls, it's relevant to the topic that we
have with Bet. What what makes Bet and Danny can

(01:33:21):
attest to this because he's been with been a lot
longer than I have, is Ben will take those calls
and roll, just roll with them whether it's relevant to
the topic, because he's got so many regulars that just
love him and just want to get on the air
and just have a conversation. And I think that's what
makes Ben unique, especially in that time slot, is that
you can evolve a phone call and like Danny, you

(01:33:43):
you could probably add on to this about how some
of those phone calls actually go well, yeah, a lot
of the college don't get to their actual sports take
because Ben is more interested in other things, you know,
the ambiance of the call. So that's what makes it entertaining.
So I mean we were so he let you in
there a little bit behind the curtain. If you ever
have questions about this show, look, you can always call

(01:34:05):
us and ask us things that you might have on
your mind, or you can tweet us and ask us
and we'll answer them. To some extent. Some things we
might actually keep close to the best We might keep
our card tricks to ourselves, for example, on some things,
but it was not of love for Joe. Like Jose,
I listen to this show every day. Like Joe clearly
cares a lot about this show and we love having
him as a part of the audience. His takes are

(01:34:26):
the worst in some ways they're the best. But I'm
glad you put them on and gave him airtime because
we know about one thing we know about Clay. He
expects a lot from the callers as far as a
take be ready. You know, you can hear in Clay's
voice when he gets frustrated because the caller is not
ready to go, or they don't they don't bring it.

(01:34:47):
So with Joe, I don't think he would quite understand it.
So I'm glad Joe got some airtime today. Yeah, but
don't you but answer me this though, if Joe was
a gimmick, would Clay like it or would he hate?
Because I could never figure it out and I couldn't
explain to him the situation like we used to would
either be a great thing every time or it would
be absolutely pitiful every time. Well, we used to have

(01:35:10):
the regular caller walking Willie. Yeah, that's right, and a
lot of OutKick regulars will remember him calling from New Orleans.
And I couldn't understand half of what that guy was
saying when he was on there. Half of it was
a bad cell phone, the other half was his heavy accent,
and uh, he was entertaining, but I couldn't understand half
of what he said. So I think it would be

(01:35:31):
in line with that um which Clay, did you know,
like most of walking Willie's call, So I don't. I
don't know. We'll have to try it out next week. Yeah,
you might want to give it a shot, like yeah,
like a random Tuesday. I think I put him on
one time and Clay's like, that's the worst color I've
ever heard, And I didn't say anything else about it,

(01:35:52):
But in my head, I was always sort of on
the fence whether or not Joe should become a regular
fixture on this show, or whether or not he's should
always be in phone purgatory, never getting past the call
screening stage. I think it'd be really great if you
just put him down as different names every time, and
Clay once a week, and it would be Joe and
Baker's field and just has to deal with like just

(01:36:13):
once a week randomly, you know, you put Sean from
wherever it's listening to the show, and he he goes,
hey Sean, and then you put onto Joe and Bakers.
I think that would be fabulous. It would be, but
you'd have to clue Joe in, like when Joe called him, Like, Joe,
we're calling you Francis in Topeka today, So when we says,
let's go to Francis in Topeka, Yeah, it's Francis in Topeka. Like,

(01:36:35):
you'd have to be able to play it would be.
That would be marvelous. So I think it would pass.
I think it would bother Clay a little bit, and
then I think it'll be funny once a week to
just springing on him, not every day obviously, like once
a week, you know, Joe calls in, you say, hey,
we're gonna put you from Steve from from New York
is on be fair? I didn't be fabulous, Jeff, that's
a really good idea. If I were still producing this show,

(01:36:56):
I would make a note of that, people come, people come, Danny.
That Danny, that's a subtle hint that you should do that.
By the way, that's a nice way I think that's
a pretty good idea, don't you. I mean, I think
that's pretty funny. Like I don't know entering This is
why I'm entertaining, Buddy, he's at the bat. Yeah, you're right.
You know what, I I retract my statement and my
joke from the early part of the segment. You just

(01:37:18):
came up with an idea I never thought of in
a year and a half when it came to the
Joe and Bakersfield conundrum. Uh, it is talking about random calls.
So when I do NFL Radio and serious, we get
the most random NFL calls of all time. I mean,
I remember one time we were talking about offensive lines
and someone called in. Um is after the draft Alliance

(01:37:38):
fan called in, we want to talk about that? He
said he want to about the Lions offensive line. So,
um we we put him on the air and he
starts talking about some some player on the Lions and
he mentioned that he was kind of smaller and he's
a slot guy and how is he gonna fit in
on the team and blah blah blah. So I thought
he was a slot wide receiver. I never heard the
kid before, So I gave this whole thing about how

(01:38:00):
you know he's gonna fit with Matt Stafford and all
this stuff. And he goes, oh, um, no, I'm talking
about so and so. He's the seventh round corner we
just drafted. Like what you called NFL radio to ask
about a seventh round corner that you drafted three weeks ago,
and how's gonna fit into the defense? Like, come on, guys,
So we get we get some odd like yesterday I
did it. We had someone like talking about the Dolphins. Uh, secondary,

(01:38:23):
it's just some random water nails. He was just from
random calls for no apparent reason whatsoever, and we just
we put them all on. Jeff you mentioned lions. We
have lions for you. Boy, do we have lions for you?
Up next, quite the Animal Thunderdome Stick around his Outcake
the coverage with j Martin, jeff In for Clay, I'm

(01:38:43):
Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back inside the Geko Outcakes Studios.
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(01:39:05):
with Jeff Schwartz crew out in l A with us
spending the dollars radio style klay Tervis is back on Monday,
the OutKick the Coverage radio program enter in the home
stretch for this week, and we talked. We've done some
great debates. We just let you in on the other
side of the glass of how OutKick runs and Joe
and Baker's Field and the conundrum that has been Joe

(01:39:27):
and Bakersfield since the beginning of this radio show. We
maybe should just put a pole up if you go
and you listen to the podcast, and absolutely you should
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(01:39:48):
should probably put up a poll for everybody just to
go listen to the podcast and listen to Joe's call.
That was actually one of his more cogent calls. Actually, uh,
even though he usually speaks fast, it usually makes less
sense than that. Jeff, you you were like, I gotta
be honest, I don't think I understood anything he just said.
That's Joe and Bakersfield. But that was a much more

(01:40:09):
lucid Joe and Bakersfield than usual. So we need to
find out whether or not this would be a good
idea to bring him on regularly. But I love your
idea of calling him different names and setting Clay up
to have to take him on a regular basis is
is Joe also as he had not? Has he not
gone to bed yet tonight? Or is he waking up early? Yeah? See,

(01:40:29):
I've always wondered that as well, because you know what
time is it out there when he usually calls, He's
calling us at three am, like three fifteen am. How
old do you think Joe is. You've only heard him
that one time, so maybe you weren't paying attention. But
I've always thought he sounded older, like kind of like
I don't know, like it was totally elderly, but he
seems like he's got to be if sponsors are listening.

(01:40:52):
He's thirty three is a very good demo demo. N
he's twenty, he's twenty four. He sounds like he's in
the sixties. That would be my guests as well. Let's
bring in Eddie GARSTI. We're gonna do some animal thundered

(01:41:12):
on on the other side of the sports ubab. Let's
find out what happened first last nine in sports Eddy, Well,
let's give you a Geico scoreboard from Major League Baseball.
It was a battle of division leaders in Milwaukee, with
the Brewers beating the Braves seven to two. Milwaukee's lead
now in the NL Central is at a game and
a half on Chicago at the night off last night,
but the Braves are leading the n L East is
down to one game on Philadelphia, who also had the
night off. Diamondbacks lose to the Padre six to three.

(01:41:35):
That lost drops Arizona into a first place tie with
the Idol Dodgers in the n L West Race. Astros
walk off with a four three win over the White
Sox Julieue Curry l and a basis loaded single on
the bottom of the night to win it for Houston.
Merit has won for the ninth time in the last
ten games, beating the Angels four to one, but they
still trail Houston buy a game and a half in
the a L West Race, Nationals were down nine nothing
Get Home Rally back beat the Marlins fourteen to twelve.

(01:41:58):
Trade Turner a huge game for the nap with two
home runs including a grand slam, finished with eight RBI.
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The only hard part figuring out which way is easier.
I'm Jason Martin along with Jeff Schwartz, Dandy g Mike Mayer,
Eddie Garcia rounding out the crew for us today on
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at least over the past few days. And it's one
of the fixtures on this show, something that you get
up you absolutely love, that keeps you in your car.

(01:43:01):
Let's do some Animal Thunderdome, ladies and gentlemen. I'm just glad.
I was scared boy, and I thought he thought I
was like this enormous piece of chicken dime times my space.

(01:43:24):
This is Animal thunder Doome, Animal Thunderdome, another piece of
radio interest. Danny, you know this one already. He will
say it's time for Animal Thunderdome coming up next, and
he hasn't really prepped us for it. Two minutes into
the break, he's like, you guys, got anything because he
doesn't have any stories that day. So we're sitting there

(01:43:45):
scrambling to find stuff when we don't have them. Usually
we have him on deck. Today we have an embarrassment
of riches, especially with this one story that we were
sent by so many listeners. And obviously when you tweeted
stories and d m A stories, it makes our life
a lot easier and usually poses us to things we
otherwise wouldn't see, So we greatly appreciate that. Yeah, except
for this one where you do definitely would have seen this.

(01:44:08):
The past couple of days if you were on Twitter,
I counted three hundred different tweets. I'm not exaggerating on
this one story just from our listener base, and it's
because it involves karma, Karma of the best kind, Karma
in the form of a pride of lions, Yes, a
group of lions. Eight poachers who broke into a game

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reserve earlier this week in South Africa to hunt rhinos.
Three men were believed to have been eaten alive by
lions sometime between Sunday night and Monday morning last week
after they entered the game reserve in Kenton on c
to hunt rhinos. Nick Fox, the park owner, told told
Newsweek after the incident, authorities recovered the remains of their parts,

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three pairs of shoes, wire cutters, high powered hunting rifles,
rifles fitted with silencers, and a type of acts that's
commonly used by poachers to remove rhino horns. The only
body part we found was one skull and one bit
of pelvis. Everything else was completely gone. The game reserve

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owners said, there's so little left they don't even know
exactly how many people were killed. But because of the
clothes that were strown around that were found, uh, they
they're guessing that it's three people that were mauled and
eating alive. Although Fox admits that the incident was sad,
he also noted that it should send a message to

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other poachers who risked their lives to hunt rhinos inside
his reserve. Well, I'm pro lion here. Lion doing what
it has to do for its fellow animal. Poachers are
the worst. I think we all know this. So if
you go on to that situation and your poacher and
you're trying to do that and you get eaten by lions,
karma is the right word for that. I'm afraid. Look,

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you don't want to see anybody die, but you didn't
have to put yourself into that situation. Po your natural
selection right there. Interesting. I tweet the story out yesterday.
Of course you've got a couple of people commenting, well,
the human life is more valuable than it's not. It's
not about value like you mentioned, it's about karma. It's
also about you as a as a poacher or going

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or trust passing it into territory you you shouldn't be in,
and you got um god by the wildlife. I mean
like like that, like that's what happens you. You went
into their territory um and you lost. And I think
that's a good job. By the lines, that's that's what
they do, right, They hunt. They saw some easy prey
and they took them out. And next time maybe, like

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they said, you'll think twice about about doing that. But
can you like I just thought about this because I
saw jobs the other day and remember that scene where
the the movie and where the it was on a
bunch of you know when uh, when the guy got
eaten on the boat at the very end, and like

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the hayne and like just the way they tragged that
scene out. Can you imagine getting ripped two shreds by
a lion like that? I just, oh my god. They
found a head in a couple of body parts. I mean,
that's it. You're gone, man, like like they took your
head off you You're done, buddy. It's crazy. By the way,
I oh, j Mart one of these. Yeah, that was

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a bad joke, wasn't it. But it was sports related.
I mean, this is a sports It was a bad joke.
I know it was. I knew it was when it happened.
Thanks for thanks for that. But yes, look, if you
go into a wildlife preserve or a reserve going after
rhino to make yourself a couple of quick bucks and
you get eaten by Simba, that's on you. That is

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to away on you. What else we got all right? Unfortunately,
another death, But this man was a hero. Thirty one
year old Canadian man is being called a hero. He
was killed this past Tuesday while protecting his children from
a polar bear in a popular Canadian fishing and hunting spot.
Aaron Gibbons was on Century Island, which is located on

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the west coast of Hudson Bay in northeastern Canada, when
he and his children saw polar bear Tuesday night. It
walked up on them. The CBC reported Gibbons, who was
unarmed at the time, stood in front of his children
to protect them from the polar bear. Definitely, Aaron died
a hero. He protected protected his children. Gibbons cousin Eric

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oh and A told CBC it's the right way to
to the right word to say. Now hero Gibbons was
killed at the scene after he told his children to
run to safety. The bear was later shot and killed
by another adult. That children were unharmed. Sad news there
in Canada. Sad news. Good work. Yeah, that's what you're

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supposed to do. Yes, I just I'm interested that he was.
So he was going to this wildlife would you say
he was at what place? So it was a popular
place in northeastern Canada. But I'm just surprising. It's a fishing,
fishing and hunting spot. So far as you didn't have
a weapon on him. I mean I think I feel
like if you're or in Canada, rural Canada, you at

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least from TV shows, everyone always caring a weapon with him.
I mean it's a great job. Of course. I think
any parent would do that for for their children. So
he is a hero for for saving his kid's lives.
That's a downer story, Danny, you are very good at those.
Danny is very Was there a third story? Was that it?

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But he's a hero, Well, he is a hero. He
is a hero. I mean, I don't know what I
know it's not really animal Thunderdome. But there's that photo
that's that's flying around this week of the dog that
that took the rattlestink bite for their owner. Did you
see that story? Yes? So that is that the opposite
of animal Thunderdome. Maybe it's crossing enemy lines. Maybe that's

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a traitor situation, could be a Benedict Arnold situation for
that dog stepping in. I don't know. I mean dogs
and dogs. We've had some dog stories and animal Thunderdome
pretty bad. We never really got the update on the
Wiener dogs that killed the woman in Texas. I reached
out to the people who broke the story. You didn't
know that story? Seven docksins killed a woman? No, no, no,

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I don't in Texas, Danny, I'm not lying here. Yeah,
he's not making it up. True story. Did they have rabies? Like?
What what are they doing? They just took her down
and just like mauled her to death and she couldn't
get up outside of her house. It was seven docksins,
like small docksins where none of them. I know what
I know my buddy has when I was over his
house yesterday. The dog, their dogs fourteen years old though,

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and he's about to He's about to be done. But
what um wait, I don't believe the story. Wait, what
is it? What is this Texas woman? Yeah, the Texas woman.
Believe it's Texas maybe in Oklahoma, Texas or Oklahoma woman.
One was out outside of her house, Like I'm not
I think it's fairly close to her house. She's on
the road and like Evan Docksons or as Clay called

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them that day, dosh hounds. Here they are it says
they are dosh ouns. They're not. They're Okhoma women. Oklahoma. Yeah,
they're dogs. Yeah, Oklahoma woman killed an attack by pack
of dogs. This come on? This can't We reached down.
I reached out to the television station and originally broke it,
and they were still in the midst of the investigation,

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so they couldn't comment. They didn't want to come on
and speculate. They knew some things that they weren't able
to talk about at the time. But we were just
trying to argue, like what would it take for wiener
dogs to take you down? Like you could drop kick
those things. The one with a border Collie mix. According

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to the shelter's youth and Asian technician. I can't believe
you didn't know that story. Like we talked about that
for a couple of days when that story broke, because
it was so strange. Like some of these, you're like,
all right, yeah, a lion aiate a guy that's not strange,
but a bunch of weener dogs taking down a woman
that was way beyond the pale in terms of things
that you expect to read. Police are investigating whether criminal

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charges should be filed. Who who are filing charges against um?
The owner of it at all? But my no, I
think they're rabid there. I not rabbi, but they were
just wild. But did they get her neck? Like I
don't understand what this is? Crazy? Yeah, that's that's what
we didn't. We didn't understand it either, Like it doesn't
make any sense. It still doesn't make any sense. I
haven't seen any real updates since somebody lost their lives. Pictures,

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pictures of what it says, warning images shown in the
video or graphic. There's a video here, trust this news story? Okay,
Well that may be that may be something we haven't seen.
I don't know. We might have to look at that
during the break and try to update it. On the
other side. We got one more segment to go stick
with us is out kicked the Coverage, Jay Martin, Jeff
here on Fox Sports Radio. Final segment of the week.
It's see I'll kick the coverage radio program here on

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Fox Sports Radio Jeff Schwartz along with me, Jason Martin
and for claych obviously is back on Monday. Pro customer
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to credit approval. US only a little bit of news

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coming out, just something sort of interesting from Golf magazine
that's dropped here in an article here in the last
fifteen twenty minutes. It looks like quote the Greatest Match
that Never was almost took place on July three in
Las Vegas of primetime TV special that was to have
pitted Tiger Woods against Phil Mickelson in a ten million
dollar winner take all eighteen whole deathmatch. The negotiations involving

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a major television network and various corporate entities couldn't quite
be consummated in time, but Woods and Mickelson and their
people remain committed to making it happen as soon as
it's feasible. Michelson said yesterday, we're working on a different date.
I thought it was done for the third but obviously
it wasn't. Woods reps haven't said anything yet, but the uh,
this goes back to April when Tiger and Phil played

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a practice round together and then they kind of just
started to have been back and forth. So ten million
dollar winner, take all one on one eighteen whole death
match probably coming to a network near you in the
near future between Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods. And I'm
in I'm a hundred percent in what network world this beyond?
This should If this is a pay per view, people

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would order this pay per view. I would order this
pay per view. I mean it might be awful golf
by the way, I mean both guys are not playing
terribly well right now. Um, I mean Tiger is going
to take some time to get back, if he ever
gets back to his normal form. Phil has not played
terribly well as well. I was still watch this. Uh,
this is fabulous. It would draw more people again to golf,

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you know, the the golf purist or like you should
like Dustin Johnson and Jordan Spie. No, Tiger Woods still
draws eyes to the you know, to the to the
golf events. He always wailed this entire generation of people
like myself who like golf because of Tiger Woods, and
we will always watch when he's on his personality, his

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back store everything. Um, people are rooting for him, and
I think it's great for golf that he's back. Oh,
there's no question about that, Danny, that you're all in
on this too, right, Like I mean, Tiger Woods against
Phil Mickelson one on one, Like I'll sit there. Do
you put that thing in prime time and it will rate?
Do you think Connor McGregor would want in on this?
That's an interesting edition. Imagine him showing up with a

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golf bag. Yeah, I'm this is great. Like, I mean,
I know this is being speculated a couple of months ago,
but I didn't realize it almost happened this week and
that now they're looking to make it in. Ten million
dollars is on the line. It also doesn't say that
the ten million dollars going to charity. You would think
that it probably would. Yeah, but I mean as rich

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as both these guys are, you could really do something
pretty solid if you were going to give a large
quality of it to uh to that. But just the
idea of these two guys playing each other, because you
we know, we talked about the great debates. As a
Tiger Woods enthusiast from way back, he's probably my favorite
athlete of all time when he was in his prime,
which is something I've said on this show already this
week and many times before. I've never liked Phil. I've

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always believed what I've read, which is that many of
the people that associate with Phil, like other players, always
liked Tiger more than him. That Tiger was off the
course was a lot easier to deal with, and Phil
was fake. He would smile, but he would turn into
you know, Don Johnson and Tin Cup. Basically behind your back,
he was Shooter McGavin. So like that's always always felt
like Phil was a little bit disingenuous. But here's one

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of those great debates where I always have rooted against
Phil because I've rooted for Tiger, and I know there
are people that like both, but I think most people
are like me. Are you guys like me? Or did
you always liked Phil as well as somebody that loved Tiger.
I always rooted against Michelson. I don't know if it's
if I if I disliked Phil, I root against him
because he was Tiger's rival, and look, for a while,

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he was not even really a rival. He was not
able to compete and win at the same rate that
that Tiger was, so I never disliked him first personality. Look,
I kind of make this very clear about the way
I root for for athletes are the way I view
athletics in general. Sport is I just want to be entertained.
I don't really care about guy's personality very often, um

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in the if they if Phil and Tiger are playing
entertaining golf, then that's what I want to watch. I
don't it never Maybe I should play a role in
how I watched sports, but it just really doesn't. I
just want to be entertained. That's why I never had
a problem with steroids and baseball, or that the balls
being juice last year, or even if they're juices. I

(01:57:31):
just want to watch entertaining sports man. And that's why,
you know, I know we're not we don't talk much
about baseball, but like I you know, the the the
the shift issue, Like, I just want to be entertainment.
I want more base hits. I want more entertainment. UM
and with Tiger and Phil, like, I don't care what
Tiger did off the course, I don't care what type
of guy Phil may or may not be. I mean
he got in trouble for inside of trading to UM.

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I just wanted to be entertained for that three hours
I watched that. That the golf match, and so that
what I would look forward to if they both got
together and and we're able to put this eighteen whole
uh match on TV. What's also interesting, Yeah, what's also
interesting here is it looks like Shadow Creek in Las
Vegas was the likely venue or is the likely venue
for the initial match. The article goes on to say

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it's just the beginning. Michelson says he and Woods hope
to play a couple of exhibitions a year around the world.
Sometimes they could partner up. It could be Tiger and
Phil taking on Rory McElroy and another European player or
something like that, to see whether or not they could
expand golf into more of these match play kind of
one off situations, almost like their UFC fights or boxing

(01:58:38):
mat I'm all for this. I think this is a
brilliant idea and I will be paying attention to all
of this, and I hope that they gets set up
really really fast. I mean, there's two more majors left
in the year. I bet if you ask most people
whether or not they cared more about the British Open
and the p GA Championship or a potential Woods versus
Michelson primetime eighteen whole experience, most people are going with
the ladder right. And can you imagine to the gambling

(01:59:01):
perspective on this gamble per hole, you could live wager
over unders. Of course you know who wins. Oh. I
think it would be a fantastic from my perspective as
a gamble, would be fantastic gamble opportunity if this was
set up like this. I mean, it's it's like I said,
it's not like huge news, but it just dropped and
I'm just like it's all I'm thinking about now, like

(01:59:23):
I want to see it happen. I know they're not
in their prime, but I don't care, Like I totally
don't care, just like I would watch you know, Jordan
and somebody play one on one right now if they
wanted to do it, Like these are things that you
just don't tire of. Tiger versus Phil is not something
that's gotten old for me just because some of the
young guns have caught up to him. I still want
to watch those personalities. They're still driving golf. They're still

(01:59:46):
the ones bringing in the biggest galleries. Clay is back
on Monday. He will bring the large gallery back into
the outcare audience appreciate him letting us pinch hit for
him this week. Jeff will catch you on Wednesday. I'll
see you next month. I'll be back in in August.

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