Learn to Live With It

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's Up podcast listeners, It is Jason Martin and Jeff
Schwartzberg in for Clay. He's down in Florida enjoying some
well deserved time off. He's been working hard, and I
think he had planned to take some time off long
before now, but he's been here for you. He was
even here yesterday and we continued to talk about what
he and I talked about all day yesterday, which is
a lot of Cam Newton and what that's gonna mean

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for the New England Patriots, what to expect from Cam,
and we got Jeff Schwartz's thoughts. Jeff, who played with Cam,
knows him really well, so he was able to give
some great expertise there. We also talked about social justice
messages on the courts in Orlando and on the backs
of the uniforms, potentially for a lot of the players.
I'm not a fan, Jeff, maybe a little bit more nuanced.

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And we got a really good point from Justin Cooper
in there as well. Plus Petros Papadakis joined us. He
talks some Cam. He also gave us some good music recommendations.
You know you want to go and give the podcast
five stars. I think That's how you get an autograph
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(01:35):
Clay actually is going to take the rest of the
week off unless giant news breaks. Yesterday he was gonna
be off, but he and I ended up discussing Cam
Newton for three hours, and we're gonna talk a lot
of Cam Newton on this show today. I am Jason Martin.
You may know me as a host of Jason Martin
Show on Sunday mornings here on fs ARE three to
six am Eastern time if you're up early or up late.

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Also the former executive producer of This Fine Show. And
Jeff Schwartz you may remember him from well playing in
the NFL for much of a decade, and usually he
is the guy in the chair opposite me when we
do these shows. Jeff, what's going on, man? I'm good.
Uh yeah. And I don't know if people really realize
me that I play in the NFL anymore. I'm just

(02:16):
the guy on Twitter who trolls people from time to
time and post football takes and and some memes and
some and some videos in the pool. That's That's about
my my daily routine now. So I was so glad
Jason that we had some sort of football news the
other day. He felt like a normal day. It's like
a normal day of just sports, right, I mean, we

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had no sports. We only talked about Cam Newton. This
is why I've been happy the NFL has continued business
as usual during the pandemic, because we've had days where
I didn't think about anything but what I normally would
this time of year, which is football. So it made
me feel normal again for a little bit of time
to to talk about Cam Newton. Um Also, at the

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same time, the Patriots news rops that they got some
news over the LAS. It was completely one thousand percent
time to be that way. I mean there's no way
that Bill Belichick just decided Sunday night, we're gonna sign
Cam Newton. I'm sure that it works for quite a
bit of time, especially with how simple the contract was.
And uh, it felt like like we had some some

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normalcy for a little bit of time. So I was
glad that. I was glad to see before that the
news came out that there's a some some other freak
show flu virus strain that's coming our way the fall possibly.
So uh, that was that was a good break for
a little bit of time. Yeah, you gotta appreciate the Patriots,
like they Stimy Stone and stimy Sean McVeigh and the

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super Bowl, and then they found a way to mitigate
bad news by dropping out by the way, Cam Newton like,
don't worry over don't worry about this whole one point
one million dollar fine and loss of a draft pick
over here, don't worry about that. We got Cam Newton.
That's what you're gonna want to talk about. And they
they guessed right. So you're in Charlotte and you've watched
Cam Newton up close in person, and you know that

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organization fairly well know a lot of people associated with
that organization. Clay and I yesterday talked a lot about
just how this just feels like a total win on
all sides. Like, look, ultimately, if Cam Newton can't play,
Cam Newton can't play, but he seems driven to try
to prove otherwise, which is a positive. And then on
the flip side, if you're the Patriots, this is what

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they do. I mean, we could go through a list
of big name guys that they've brought in just to
see I think that's the best way. Look, we're just
gonna see. Like you know, they haven't been able to
really look at him up close lately because of the pandemic,
and there were a lot of articles written about how
that was gonna hurt Cam's chances of actually landing a
home because nobody could really get to see him in

(04:46):
a way that they wanted to see him. But you
think about Ocho Cinco, you think about even Randy Moss,
you think about Antonio Brown, Like they're just gonna give
some guys a shot. In Belichick, if you've looked over
the years, has always had a healthy level of respect
and admiration for what Cam Newton is capable of. Well,
Cam Newton has torn him apart. I mean that's why

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he feels that way. And we've seen throughout the years
that Belichick has more respect for players that are able
to really get after him personally, because obviously he's he
reveres himself as a coach. And I mean he's always
respected Andy Reid, for example, whose whose teams have played
well against They haven't always won, but offensively he's scored
a lot of points even with Alex Smith quarterback against

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the Patriots. I know he respects Andy Reid for for
those reasons, and for Cam Newton, he has played very
well against New England in his time. He's used his
legs to do a lot of that damage. And you
know this, this this just made a lot of sense
for for many reasons. Um one is that and this
is something that I think we we don't discuss enough

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when it comes to just how we talk about quarterback
contracts and just contracts in general. And I use this
a lot when discussed Colin kaepern At coming back to
the NFL, because people always talk about, you know, what
contract should he get that was compared to someone else? Right,
just like they're comparing Cam Newton's contract to Chase Daniel
let's say, or or someone else. Um, there's different levels

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of contracts, right, So there's there's the Hey, I'm signing
to just be a backup guy. I'm signing to be
the third string guy. Cam Newton was only signing somewhere
to be a starter. I understand the contract is very
low here. And the reason why the Patriots had all
the leverage in the world because guess what, guys, there's
really one spot for came to be the starter right away,
and that's New England. There's no other place in football

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right now where Cam would show up and be the
day was guess whatever one, he's the day one starter
in New England. Sorry for people to think otherwise, that's
that's he's I don't if he's healthy, Cam starting and
so and so this was the one place where he
would would to go to start. And he could have
gone a one year deal for seven five million to

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be a backup somewhere, but he didn't want that deal.
Just like other guys might not take a third string
quarterback deal, he wanted to be the starter. Jamis Winston,
for example, knew that he was not gonna be a
starter anywhere. No one was gonna pay him to be
a starter. So he took a backup deal team that
rehabilitated Teddy Bridgewater and got him to get you know,

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to be paid. So Cam was specifically looking for a
place to start. And if you look even throughout the
draft process, through free agency, even going back further, there
was only one place, New England. So it made a
ton of sense for Cam to want to do this deal,
and he got it done and now goes to New England.
And I think, I don't know how you feel about this, Jase.
I think he's the day one starter, like from today,

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Like he's a starter. If he if he I mean
as solids, he passes his physical and he is his
health is not a concern, then of course he is.
I don't see any other way. And you know, one
of the other sideline things that had been talked about
in several forums since the NFL schedule was released, Jeff

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is the nature it still had an inordinate amount of
prime time games on Thursdays on Sundays. Uh, you know,
they were still going to be featured in all these
big windows Monday night football, and some thought, well that's
gonna be boring. I I had a storyline there in
my head, and it's just like, well, you just want
to see whether or not in Belichick is that smart

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that he can overcome all of this? But how long
are you going to watch that? Now? Cam Newton makes
them must see television. It makes that division better, It
makes the a f C better, just in terms of
interest level here, I'm not necessarily talking about quality. Now.
If he can't get it done, if he can't stay
on the field, all this becomes moot. But as it

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stands right now, it seemed curious to me that they
didn't do anything in the draft quarterback wise, and they
didn't go get one of the guys, and we had
talked about Cam now I think you and I even
talked about Cam Newton months ago to New England. They
just waited and they waited and they waited. And of
course the timing of the news with the the other deal,

(09:01):
with the taping deal is is interesting. But do you
think maybe that they just sat and waited and let
that price go down a little bit more as opposed
to pulling that trigger before COVID. If they pulled that trigger,
let's say in February, just as one example where they
tried to make that move in February, right after the
Brady information. They knew Brady wasn't coming back, and they

(09:22):
decided to go do that. I feel like they would
have had to pay more money for Cam Newton than
they ended up having to pay now. And I'm not
sure that they had as a matter of fact, because
they were pretty tight to the cap. Well, I am
with you there, I think they had they had to
wait in plus, I don't think I know, we want
to give Belichick a lot of credit for this move,
but it was a very obvious move. I don't know
how much he deserves as far as like, hey, this

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is a genius pick up by by you know, by
by Belichick. I don't think that they targeted Cam Newton
in March. I don't think the targeted Cam Newton, you know,
around the draft time either. I think they had a
plan in the draft. The plan might have been to
draft somebody a certain slot and he wasn't available, so
they just drafted someone else. Um, and they didn't feel
and they need to trade up to get a quarterback
as well, and and um, they just were looking after

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the draft and said, hey, look look who's left Cam Dude.
I never bought that Jared Stidham was the guy. Look
at the history of the NFL really just right now,
the outside of Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Dak Prescott, I
think Cousins, every quarterback, every franchise quarterback, starting quarterback is

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a first or really a mid second round draft I
think like car is like the lowest second round draft
pick who's really starting. There. There's a couple of guys
here and there. I might have missed, but every guy
playing is a high level draft pick that it doesn't
mean even win a Super Bowl, but that is the
formula for success in the NFL. So Jaredson is a

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fourth round pick, It's probably not gonna be successful. Like
Tom Brady was like, like, you're not gonna hit lightning
the bottle twice with a late round draft pick to
become your charge quarterback. And so I just think Bill
Belichick never thought he was gonna be the guy. Now,
he might not have an answer. He might have not
had he Cam. Let's say Cam signed with the Chargers
and he's so so well, like he's going to he's

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gonna ride stid him and see what happens. But this
kind of just fell into place, So I don't I
don't want to. I don't want to say Belichick was
the genius for this kind of happening, because I think
it just kind of fell into place after the draft,
because there's other teams could have signed him. There wasn't
much interest, supposedly, but it makes a ton of sense.
And one thing I want I want to cover early
here and we could talk obviously, I'll show about this.

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You know, people will say, well, what version of Cam
are they getting? And if you've listened to me on
any platform for a long period of time, I live
in Charlotte, I played with CAM for a year, I
was on radio here for a little bit of time,
and now sitting in my office in Charlotte. UM, I've
watched all Cam. I played with CAM, I know players
who play with Cam. I've always been a little bit

(11:55):
harsher on him as a player, not as a person.
I think he's done great in the community, that he
has been great in the community. I have no problem
with who he is as a person, um, but as
a as a passer, I've always been a little more
critical of him because I think accuracy is supremely imported
in the NFL we've seen that just be able to
complete passes a high percentage and just be accurate, you know,

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you run a more efficient offense that way. And Camp
for a long part of his career wasn't very Even
the season his MVP or which he totally deserved, he
was great. He only completed passes. That's not a lot.
That's about where he is, Jeff, I mean, that's about
where he is year after year. I looked at one
stat and I mentioned this to Clay yesterday. Uh, if
you look at the last couple of years and you
really want to focus on eighteen and not nineteen obviously

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because he didn't play very much at nineteen, he seems
to throw a pretty high percentage of what an advanced
analytics person would deem bad throws. That's the way it
was actually contextualized was as he had thrown like three
seventy passes over the past two seasons, and sixty two
of those passes were deemed bad through Uh. Yeah, there's

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a little bit of context I think involved in in
this discussion. So the first half ofen he was healthy,
right he was. There were six and two the Panthers
were and then went to Detroit Detroit Pittsburgh on that
Thursday night game and he got his shoulder injured by
by when Watt hit it. Up until that point, he
completed sixty of his passes. It was the best he's
done in his career. Was the first time in his career,

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by the way, he was in what I would consider
a pro style passing offense. North Turner was the offensive
coordinator long time, obviously o C for years and years.
He was the o C of the Cowboys and the
nineties back in the day, was good head coach um
and he was a different player. He was a pocket
passer who got the ball out on time to the target,

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accurate passes um and you know that he obviously sprinckled
in some of his of his running ability, and then
he got hurt and he wasn't very good that So
that first half of teen, Cam Newton, that's what I
think we'll get in Carolina. I mean, not in Carolina,
in New England. If we get that in New England,
that's gonna lead them to the a f C. Eas Like,
that's good enough in my opinion. So the back half

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of a teen, yeah, he was hurt, didn't play very well.
That's fair to criticize him there, But in the first
half of eighteen he did a really good job. I've
got status. Yeah, yeah, you're right, he was. They were
six and two, eight games in in the NFC South,
he was tenth and passer rating at one point eight.
He was twelve and QBR at sixty three point one.
His completion percentage was sixty seven point three. And then

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came the fifty two to twenty one game in Week
ten with the Steelers, and then you realize, Okay, the
shoulder is no good. Here's the way Bill Barnwell wrote
about what you just said. It's important to make this distinction,
meaning between the first and the second half at that
point in time, because if you weren't paying attention to
the Panthers last summer and into the preseason, you might
have missed an important piece of information. By all accounts,

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Newton healed from that shoulder injury. One report from camp
lauded the return of his deep ball, which had gone
missing as a result of the shoulder injury the prior year.
He looked to be back on schedule to return earned
as a Panther's primary quarterback. And while I'm sure there
would have been some growing pains. There was no suggestion
that he was still being bothered by his shoulder when
the next injury struck. And that, of course is your list, Frank.

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And that just that's when I started seeing a Cam
Newton that just didn't look like he wanted to be
there anymore. Like he looked like Andrew Luck looked the
day that Andrew Luck walked off the field for the
final time in the preseason. Well, and I and I
am with him on that feeling. I mean, like that
that to rehab all the time. I mean I did
that for for three years, two years basically this okay

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to my big toe, and I broke my leg twice
within three or sixty four days. Like I I rehabbed
for two straight years every day when I was playing
or not, offseason, season whatever. Rehab is grinding, dude, And
it's mentally exhausting because you often don't see strides for
weeks at a time. And my dad right now at
hip surgery, and he got his hiper place and he

(15:56):
he commented, like two weeks, agoes, man, this we have stuff.
It's yeah, Dad, it is yes, he said, I know
how you feel. Thank you. Like it's mentally, and that's
why Angela retired. It wasn't like he didn't love the
game anymore. He was tired of making sure his body
felt good. And I did worry that Cam was gonna
retire because he kind of just had enough of the

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rehab stuff. And so, yeah, yes, he was miserable and
I and I empathize with Cam for being miserable having
to deal with all these injuries. But he seems rejuvenated.
Now go to me knowing that playing well for one year,
and this is why I think it's gonna work. Jason.
The number one reason why is Cam and Belichick both
have a mutual reason to make this work. Cam was

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a revival his career, and we've seen what reviving your
career could do in New England. Whether it's obviously well, Jimmy,
you didn't revive his career, but he was drafted there,
got signed by you know, trading the Niners signed because
Matt Castle throughout revis Randy Moss. You've seen what what
reviving your career looks like in New England. If he
can do that for one season, he will get paid
thirty million dollars next season by somebody, maybe the Patriots,

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and Belichick wants to give an f you to Colin
Brady and everyone else. You can win without Tom Brady.
So for one year, it's not a five years it's
a one year deal. They both have a desired outcome
that leads to winning, and that's why I think it's
gonna work. Yeah, you know, you talk about the concept
of mutually assured destruction, this is kind of the opposite
of It's like both of them have every reason in

(17:24):
the world to go balls out and make this thing happen,
like to just go for it and go for broken.
And yes, Belichick's ego is absolutely part of this. We'll
continue down the Cam this this Cam warmhole, which is
it's fun to be able to talk about a sporting thing,
and we will get to the NBA stuff a little
bit later on, but we still got plenty more to

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talk about with Cam, including the weapons he's got around
him and how similar that is to the situation he
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outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis Cam Newton. If he is, well,

(18:21):
let me just ask it differently. This is the way
I asked it to Clay yesterday, And I think you
sort of all. I think I know exactly where you're
gonna go. Here is Cam Newton the starting quarterback in
the New England Patriots in the fall of uh fall,
that's next year. I would I probably say no. I mean,

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I don't think the Patriots are gonna want to pay
him as much money as he would probably The question
is I'm thinking about where he would go, and thought
about yesterday like a rough idea of where he I mean,
there's always those surprises every year, so you don't quite
really know where eyes are gonna, you know, gonna gonna
be at. But there's the same problem that we had
this offseason with kind of the lack of of places

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for you know, Mariota, Winston and Cam really to go.
We're gonna have maybe the same problem next year. Um.
I mean there's a place like like Pittsburgh, like a
big ben for example, you know, kind of Peters out
this year and they move on from him. Big strong
quarterback Cam Newton come back, you know, big strong quarterback
come to Pittsburgh. I mean that that's always you know,
they had Big Ben there air the ball out, while

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Cam is big and strong, has a has a big arm,
let him air the ball out. Uh. In Pittsburgh. They're
just off the top of my head, I'm trying to
think of places where maybe where Indie maybe I don't
know that's for what they do, but with Rivers I
could see, I mean I could see Indie being a place, um,
you know, trying to think of other of other like

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you know, like maybe places that you know, I mean
Dallas doesn't know. DA's only there for at least one
year for now, um, and he doesn't really fit a
Mike McCarthy offense in my opinion, So it's just not
would not be a lot of play where Detroit. Uh yeah,
I mean they don't have a new coach probably and
it's hard to say, um who you know, what's gonna

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happen with with them, because the new coach will obviously
be a big part of what of where they go
to the quarterback. But but our point, I think we've
made it that there's not a lot of places from
it though, so it might it might not be, and
we really, honestly we we often don't see quarterbacks leave
their current team and then go to the second team
and sign a big contract. I mean Cousins obviously, you

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know he could can't Ryan Tannehill, I guess in that,
but he came as what Cam did, right, He came
as a as a one year deal and then signed
with the same team. We see the quarterbacks leave, but
Oxborth was trained both times like we don't see often.
You know, quarterbacks leave the spot they're at and go
somewhere else and sign a monster contract as a free age.
I mean, you know Manning did it, but he was injured,

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made sense why he why he was left Um but
Alex with this truth though, he was traded at both
times to his to his new team. So I don't
know what I would say if I had a bet,
I bet on no Um because it doesn't happen very often.
And the Patriots don't. Look if they weren't going to
pay Tom Brady, I don't know Cam is different than Tom.
I don't think they're gonna pay Cam thirty five million

(21:16):
next year. And then also is a discussion about the
salary cap next season, which could be very different than
what we expected to be. But I would say, no,
what's your best guess. Yeah, my best guess is he's
either gonna play too well for the Patriots to afford
what he might be able to command from somebody, or
he's just not gonna have anything left like or he's

(21:38):
not gonna be able to hold up from a health standpoint,
and this is gonna be his last stop. Well, if
he doesn't hold up health wise, this is his last spot.
I mean, there's no And that's why I think that
That's why I think this partnership is gonna work, because look,
do do Belichick and Cam line up personality wise? No?
But then again, I don't think really many people line
up with Belichick. I mean, it's clear Tom Brady now

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that he's in Tampa, his personality did not line up
with Bill and the But but the thing that mattered
to both them was winning, which which lines up well.
And that's what Cam, in my opinion, and Bill Belchick
haven't common this year, is they have a mutual goal
of basically giving the middle finger to the rest of
the NFL, and that's why it's gonna work for a year.
It's a year deal. It's not a five year deal,
six year deal. So I think this is um. That's

(22:23):
why I like this. And even though the personalities don't
mesh um, they both they both need this, they need
it badly, and they'll find a way, um to to
make it work. One thing that I've thought about since
this information dropped on Sunday night was that Cam is

(22:43):
not going from a weapon's penthouse to nowhere. He's somebody
that I think, through a large part of his career
just hasn't had a ton of weaponry around him. Like
obviously Christian McCaffrey is a different story, but I'm talking
about he's not playing with Julio Jones and people like that.
At the Y receiver position, Greg Olson is super underrated,
but he was an injury risk all the time. He

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just his body sometimes would break down on him. I'm
not saying they had no talent at receiver, but it
wasn't a team that was loaded. So it's not as
if Cam doesn't know how to find a way to
maximize potential or maximize his own ability around maybe mediocrity
and that It sounds like a slight but I'm just

(23:28):
talking about elite versus average to some degree. So this
isn't gonna be a giant culture shock. But New England
doesn't have a lot around him in terms of weaponry. Uh.
It felt That's why I felt like maybe the Patriots
were packing it in this year and this was a
total rebuild, And maybe they were if they were going
to go with Stidham, there was an explanation based on

(23:50):
what was what else was happening around him on the roster. Now,
I mean, there's not much that you can do here,
but they It's not like fixing Cam or bringing Cam
in fixed every problem. We already knew that there was
a dearth of talent on that side of the ball
for Belichick, right, But but I would I can't understand
the tiny bit here. So Nikila Harry is a first
round draft pick at Arizona stage. He wasn't good last year.

(24:13):
He wasn't good last year, but to be fair, he
missed like training camp and in like the first eight
weeks of the season. I think it's hard as a
rookie to come into that system having not done anything
to basically prepare and then just show up and try
to be good. So he has a full off season
now to get to get right. Okay, so that that
I would give him a chance to get right. First look,
Mohammed Sanu has been a good wide receiver in Atlanta

(24:36):
as as kind of the second but but but that's
why though, right, because he got out there, you should
be a guy that's catching a lot of balls. Right,
But look at but let's say everyone's healthy. Right, so
you've Edelman, You've Nikil Harry. Now, assuming he plays just better,
I'm not saying he's gonna be All Pro and then
Snu like that's that's better than he had in Carolina
without Steve Smith. I mean when Steve Smith was gone,

(24:58):
it was nobody. I mean, look at look at who
is It was like j Moore. Well that was yeah,
that was for one year though, I mean that was
last year. Was his rookie season. Um uh. And he
played two games last season, did cam Um? I mean
the Super Bowl? I think it was like Tedgan Jr.
And even Funches Um I forgot, Yeah, it wasn't like

(25:22):
this all star crew. Now he had Greg Olson and
Greg Olsen Um has has been his best friend on
the field for a long time like that. That has
been um who he kind of went to at any
time he needed the ball thrown to somebody. Now he
doesn't have that in right now in New England. But

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they did draft a tight end Devon Osciotti from u
C l A, who averaged like nineteen yards of reception
u C last year. I only know that because I
covered the pack twelve. It's a very random thing to know.
But he he can't be explosive play. I'm curious to
see how that kind of manifests itself in the NFL.
One thing to discuss about kind of where we're at

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in the NFL right now is that it actually because
of the coronavirus and everything shut down this offseason. Um,
it makes sense the Patriots want a veteran to play
quarterback right now because even though Cam has not been
this offense, he's seen it at all, and and Jerrison
just hasn't. Right he's now he's out of the building
for the entire offseason. As far as these weapons kind

(26:29):
of playing well in year one under this under it's
gonna be tough because look, Auscianti, Nikkil, Harry snow Snooze,
a veteran, but like nikkil Harry and and and all
the other weapons that are young, you know they're not
in the building right Like as much as you can
do this virtual learning, most of us learn on the field,

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and that that does worry me that it might take
this offense a little bit of time to get moving
because they just haven't worked together before and they don't
have time worker And then when you get to training camp,
you might have a weak ramp up period. You're gonna
miss two preseason games. I mean, this is why Kim's
gonna start us, because do you trust Jason? I tell
you Jared's did him with an abbreviated training camp and

(27:13):
two preseason games? Or Cam Newton abbreviate training camp with
two pre you take Ken every time. It's like Cam's
gonna start from day one. The other things I mentioned
that might take some time. Jeff, your point about training
camp is interesting because there's a lot of guys that
have not been able to well. Tom Brady is finding
a way and raising the ire of a lot of
people that are writing a bunch of things about how

(27:34):
he's now providing a bad example because he's having these
private workouts and the m lp A doesn't like it
and all this, but most people are not doing workouts
and stuff, and we can get more into that topic.
But does that help or harm you? You talked about
how it might take time for them to jail, Well,
it might take time for a lot of teams to jail,
So maybe it's not as bad just because it's all
the way across the league. It's not like it's just

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the Patriots having this problem. It's everybody having this problem. Well,
yes and no, because you look at the Patriots competition
in the a f C, the Ravens and the Chiefs
are returning almost everybody the Chiefs, well, I mean not everybody, right, right, right,
I mean the guys that have been playing together for you.
It's the same thing with the NBA bubble. The teams
that have veteran leadership or teams that have not had

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nearly as much turnover as the others. I would look
at them and say, those are your best chances for
upsets when the NBA goes back to this truncated season
situation going into the playoffs because of all of that,
but anybody that has a bunch of new pieces, especially
at key spots, is going to be at a tremendous
disadvantage relative to those select few. Yes they will, and

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and it is across the border. That's why, you know,
I think that we're gonna see like the Chiefs and
Ravens are gonna rush out in the f C right away,
in my opinion, and you know, and be the not
that they're working to be the top of the f C,
but they have a huge advantage being all together. And
I think we're gonna see young coaches in quarterback struggle
to get things going because even even when they started,

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the NFL did announced yesterday, um that we're going ahead,
which I think the NFL just just plugging along right like,
just plan for the play and things change. They change.
Um it's just gonna be weird like and and so
the players that have they can handle that. And the
players have been in the NFL for a while typically
can handle things change. Um, they'll we they'll kind of

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make it through. But the young guys that don't really
know how the process works, and now it's kind of
a weird feeling in the facility and there's just a
little awkwardness of training camp. Um, they're gonna struggle a
little bit. Figuring out kind of where they fit in
this whole thing. It's gonna be. It would be and
think like my rookie year, just showing up and then
just they're being you know, a weird vibe in the

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facility and practice. There's no one on the kind of
the field that practice. It's just gonna be it. It'd
be weird to be awkward, but veteran guys can deal
with that. They've done it before. They understand that things
are always gonna be perfect. Um. I'm kind of curious
to see how much of the physical disc sin saying
guidelines the NFL follows through with. I don't think that
they can do much of any of it. I'm kind

(30:06):
of surprised to see that they went so far they
did him. I get why they did it, but it's
very unrealistic to do much of stuff that they suggested.
If you are Jared's did him right now, how do
you feel? Well? I mean you feel like, uh, you
assume you'd want to play, right, I mean, if you're
in the NFL and you're there, it's like, yeah, I

(30:26):
really wanted to play. But I mean seriously, like, how
do you when you look at a former m v
P coming onto the team, a guy with a huge name,
a guy that has recognizability outside of just the hardcoes
in football, and all of that. Is there a plus
minus here for Jared's Didham not getting thrown into the
fire maybe ultimately or just how do you fail? How

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do you feel if you're Jared's did him this morning? Well?
I think he already I think he already had um.
He he already knew he had to compete because remember
Brian Hoyer's there too, right, The thought was, hey, Brian
Hoyer is there to compete with Jared Studham. And Brian
Hord has been in this office before, He's a veteran UM.

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So I think that Studham already thought he had to compete.
Now he might have to do it a little bit more,
but I think that he the same feeling he still
has I'm gonna win that job. I'm gonna go on
and get that job. So I think that that that
is the same feeling he has. Now might be harder. Now,
it might be tough for his his cams there, but
I think he still feels the same way, I have
to compete. So whoever was whoever would have ended up

(31:32):
the starting quarterback? How far do you think their chances
dropped with Cam coming in when you think about I
mean it had to drop precipitously. No, no, no, the
Super Bowl Lodge drop, the a f C. Odds drop,
the a f C. E Stodge dropped, according to basically everybody.
But just like your odds of being the starting quarterback

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and went from a hundred to what zero? Like what
is the chip? What is the chances Cam isn't playing?
Is it just health? That's that's lot out it. Yeah,
they'll health. I mean, I'm watching the game right now,
m as we talked to the game against the Ravens Um.
I mean, he's he's playing, he's playing good like this,
and I'm just curious. I'm excited to see him in
Josh Daniel's offense. I mean, I think they're gonna be

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a lot of elements that remains sort of the same
with Cam. I mean with with this offense um where
we see a lot of what Tom Brady did, but
they only add some rinkles. And we know the Patriots
have been so good situational football over there, you know
the time the Belichick has been there, so they'll you know,
they'll They'll bring out Cam's legs at certain points, but
I'm excited to see them working together to create an

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offense that UM can be successful. And they have a
tough schedule. They have a tough schedule in the NFL
there at San Francisco. I know, you mean they Ravens
and Niners at home, but they're at Seattle, the Rams,
the Chiefs, like they're at UM. It's it's a tough schedule.
So they have a lot of work to do. When
when camp starts, how many games do you think they
can win? I think they win ten games. I think

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they when they really I just don't. I don't trust
Josh Allen and the Bills. Well, I agree with that,
but ten tends a lot. I mean ten would be
a total success. I mean, at that point, a ten
is huge. I mean you win the division with ten
ten wins? You might win with nine, correct, I think
I think ten. I mean I I have faith in
in Belichick and getting things right. Their their defense is

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going to be good. Right. The Bills have everything except
a quarterback, which means they don't have enough. That's that's
the deal. And when you look at the games that
they won last year, they beat up on some terrible
football teams pretty much all year round. Now, that's the
first step that a good football team makes, is they

(33:44):
just wallop teams that they should wallop. They don't just
escape them or they don't lose to them. They win
the games they're supposed to win. But they did not
have any success really against teams that were at all good.
I mean, they beat the Titans fourteen to seven in
an awful football game, and I mean they beat the Broncos,

(34:06):
who weren't terrible, and there were there were a few
wins there, but not really all that impressive certainly. And
Josh Allen, it just it all rests on him. It's
like they paid money, they did what they needed to
do and got him a weapon in Stefon Diggs that
you absolutely love. Their defensive solid, you like their line play,
you like their coaching. But if Josh Allen is still

(34:26):
a guy that can throw eighty yards but can't be
accurate at eight, then they're still not going very far.
We'll be back. Well, let's go and take a break
so we don't uh so we make sure we uh
get everything taken care of when we come back. I
did have one thought about the pandemic and if we're
ever going to see movie theaters open up again, and

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then we've got we do have a lot of NBA
to talk about, plenty more NFL. Also, Petros Papadakis will
join the program an hour three. Stick with us as
we continue here on Out Kicked the coverage on the
Tuesday morning on Fox Sports Radio. This is out Kicked
the Bridge with clat traffics. Hopefully you're not wearing a sweater.

(35:20):
I think it's already a hundred degrees outside with the
humidity right now in Nashville out of control due point
nearly eighty. Jeff Schwartz was the one falling in the background.
He's in Charlotte. He's at Jeff Schwartz. I'm Jason Martin.
I'm at j mart Radio. Crew is split between Los
Angeles and Nashville as usual. So there's now another flu

(35:46):
potentially in China. Who I tried to not I I'll
just say I'll just say right, well, seventies, not seventies.
Not as bad as it was here yesterday. It was
like seventy eight yesterday. It's just nasty, like you walk
outside and you sweat like five seconds after you walk outside.
I was walking our new puppy yesterday. I was just like, hey,

(36:07):
do your business. We gotta go back inside, Like this
is just ain't gonna play. And I think she actually
figured it out. She's like, I don't want to be
out of here either, bro, So she she handled it,
got done. Yeah, we got a puppy on Mother's Day weekend.
What dog. It's a Schnauzer. Schnauzer Nice gets groomed for
the first time tomorrow. So it's fun. It's been a

(36:31):
good time to with me being on a furlough for
the last couple of months. And we'll see whether or
not that's gonna gome to an end or not. But
I've been able to kind of spend time they're doing
some other things and uh, certainly being around the dog,
and that's that's been helpful. It's first dog I've ever
had my entire life, so totally new experience as opposed
to having cats, for example. Well, you're getting prepared for

(36:54):
for the next step, Jason, I know. And yeah, like
you gotta be patient. And man, I wish I could
tell you how much blood has been drawn from my
fingers and hands over the past couple of months going
through this bite face that puppies go through. It's been
Hopefully that will not join. Hopefully that's not going to

(37:15):
be a problem with the babies. Hopefully we're not gonna
have a bite face. I mean, they don't really bite you,
objects don't really you. But I guess there are some
kids that are they're biters. I mean, my kids thankfully
were never biters. Um, but they definitely you know, they
have their hands in their mouth all the time. So um, no,

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go ahead, No, that's it all right? Uh later this way.
I know. If there's one thing I know about you, Jeff,
it's that you're a movie Officionada. Based on our her
memorial dub just rolled back in his chair like to
make sure lightning didn't hit him if it strikes me. Uh,
we're gonna do later in the week of July four,
movie released topics similar to the one who did on

(37:58):
Memorial Days. Everybody in joy and we'll see how many
of those films you've seen. I'm not gonna do it
over under, I don't think, and at least not until
I see yes, yes, Chef that did come out on
July fourth weekend. That's that's solid. I saw that I
remember seeing that at twelve oh one on July four
when it first released. But when's the next time you'll
be able to get to a movie theater. A MC

(38:19):
has pushed back there opening date to the end of July,
and we were all excited. R I know. I was
Chris Nolan's new film Tenant was coming out in the
middle of July. That was gonna be like the first
released one, and he was really holding tight to making
sure that thing came out on time. It's not. It's
been pushed back over the last few days to August thirteen.
Mulan was pushed to August twenty one. And with everything

(38:41):
that we are seeing in the way the media is
covering coronavirus, I am just more and more concerned about
this whole thing just going just just happening again, like
no one learning from the first time, and all of
a sudden, you can't do anything again. Movies get pushed
back again and sports until I actually see them back,

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We're gonna see just how much spine some of these
commissioners have in the coming weeks. I'm afraid because man
is at wall to wall and now you've got another
flu coming from pigs in China. There's gonna be something
continuously as long as people want to want to continue
to find a way to exercise control. We are going
to talk about the bubble when we come back, We're
gonna talk about the n b A. I'm not going

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to talk about basketball, unfortunately. We're gonna talk about uniforms
and floors. It's time, folks will be right back. Be
sure to catch live editions of Out Kicked the Coverage
with Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern three
am Pacific. Jeff, I'm sure you saw that Chris Paul

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and I think it's Chris Paul is the one that
did the interview with Mark Spears on Sunday morning. Saturday Night,
it kind of hit I think in the midst of
my show, um the Jason Mark Shaw what you can
hear on many of these same Fox Sports radio affiliates
across the country about the uniforms and how they can
put they can take their name off the back and
put social justice slogans or charitable causes or things like this.

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And the first thing I thought was, it's kind of
like the NFL cleats when they are able to do
that for like a game or two or whatever if
they want to do causes or charities or things like that,
but I wanna do the same thing basically I did
on the show Sunday, and I actually got pretty decent
pushback from the guys out in l A who just
disagreed with me on this, which made me happy, just

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because I wanted to hear a different perspective on this.
But my initial take on this is it a horrible idea.
It's a horrible decision. But I need to back up
because I think Laura Ingram's wrong, which she says, shut
up and dribble. I think that's dehumanizing to some degree

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because I recognize the value of human life, and I
recognize that Lebron James or Anthony Davis or Dirk Novitski
or anybody else has ever played in sport, in any sport,
has value far beyond what they do on a basketball floor,
on a football field, on the ice, wherever it is.
I recognize that you have value, that you have amazing

(41:27):
talents and abilities that we get to see, but that
you also care about other things. And you live in
a country where I will stand arm in arm with you,
even if I disagree with you to champion your ability
to say something that I don't agree with. I love
the fact that we well we should at least increasingly.
I worry about it. But we live in a country

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where that's okay. But if you put if you take
your name off and you put Trayvon Martin, or you
put two mirror Rice, or if you put George Floyd
or Brianna Taylor or any of these names that have
been discussed on here, or if you put black Lives Matter,
or if you put all of that kind of thing
on there, you are more than the entertainment you provide

(42:11):
as a human being. But during the time in which
you are actually on the floor, is it not fair
of me just to say, I really do just want
you to entertain me. Then it's the same thing as, yes,
I know Scarlett Johansson is more than Black Widow, but

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when I go pay to see Black Widow, I just
want to see her as black Widow. I don't need
to hear about her causes and things like that. And
I know she has a platform because she has me
in a theater and she can do that, But it's
about the time and the place. And Chris Paul said
in the interview Jeff that you know after in press
conferences after the games. He's hoping and the the players

(42:54):
that agree with this are hoping that this is gonna
encourage more questions in press conferences. Last I check. If
they want to say something, they can say something. Then
I thought about this and I said, well, what's gonna
be acceptable and what's not? Because here comes the first
degree of pushback. Let's say I want to put hashtag
maga on the back of my jersey. Let's say I

(43:16):
want to put hashtag in the lockdowns on the back
of my jersey. Should they be back in effect? Or
Let's say I believe in equal justice. Let's say I
really champion social justice, and my champion of true social
justice and reconciliation and revival is Christ. And so I

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want to put Hebrews twelve three on the back of
my jersey. How is that going to be received? Well,
there's there's a lot of there's a lot of things
to get to here, and a lot of a lot
of great points you made. Of course you made a
movie reference. I just completely um before will By. I

(44:00):
know Scott Johnson is but a black widow, no idea. Um, Look,
you bring up a lot of extreme points. One is
it Obviously, I think we both believe in the free
speech right, like like, go ahead and do it um
if NBA allows it. The one thing that's interesting about
this is the argument that I always make about the

(44:22):
NFL kneeling. As I say, during the actual course of
the game, there are no politics involved. Now, you might
disagree with that because of of you know the the
Rooney rule and you know their coaches on the filming.
There's ways to to to to say there's politics involved
in the actual gameplay, but there really is it. Right Like,

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when we watch a game from the kickoff to the
final play, there's not politics involved. We watch an NBA
contest from the tip off till the end of the game,
there's not politics involved. When we watch baseball the first
pitch to the last pitch, there's not politics involved. Right now. Again,
you can find nit picks here and there when they
are involved, but most often they're not. And that's always

(45:05):
been my argument about why you can still watch the
NFL if you don't agree with the dealing, right because
just just don't watch the nealing or just don't Really
it doesn't affect the actual game you're watching, right, it's beforehand,
and yeah it's a talking point, you might not like it,
but the actual gameplay there's nothing involved with politicis. But
now at the NBA, they are they are including that

(45:26):
during the during the game. And I do think while
I'm pretty much indifferent to this stuff, like I I
really I'm gonna watch it July thirty, I don't care
what Lebron has in the back of his jersey, like
it never I'm just indifferent to this. If if players
want to use their platform, go ahead. If they don't
go ahead, it does not bother me. It never changed
the way I felt about a player, or or or

(45:46):
the game. But I will I can see how this
will turn people off because they do come to the
actual contest to just watch sports and not have you know,
the political stances actually happened during the actual game. And
to your point about what if they put a slogan
on there that that's not as agreeable to social media,

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the backlash that happens there, so you really can't have it.
But I agree there will be backlash if someone puts
MAGA on the back of their jersey or put something
else on there. I'm not sure to be backlash too
religious to religious boy boy, I do. I'm not saying
that it's going to come from the same the same point. Look, Jeff,
I know we come from different perspectives to some degree. Um,

(46:28):
but I think this is a place to have honest discussions.
This is a place to have authentic discussions. And there
is a narrative right now, There is an agenda right now.
There is some insidious stuff going on below, like the
biggest The biggest thing right now is there are certain
things that you can't criticize despite the fact that they
are obvious and true. And one of the things that

(46:52):
we have seen increasingly is that we live in a
post Christian culture. We don't live in a culture where
it is okay to be an open Christian. It is
something that can can tar and feather you in many
ways because of social media. Now, you and I actually
were talking during the break uh minutes ago about how
social media ruins your life, like it makes it worse.

(47:15):
It doesn't technically ruin it, but it makes it worse.
And I said, I hadn't been on Twitter until this
morning for a month, and I was just living my
life and I was trying to see how much I missed,
and I actually went on you know what, I misrepresented
that I was on Saturday night for just a little bit.
My ego got the better of me and I wanted
to see what mentions I had gotten over the last month.

(47:35):
And then I went through the timeline for about forty
five seconds and I was like, get me the hell
out of here now, Like what am I doing? This
is gonna send me back off for a month. But
I know this week with us doing this show, I
do want to be able to interact with people. So
during the time that that we're actually on, I'm gonna
be on social media. But we have come to a
place where and then the secondary story about this is

(47:58):
the NBA is gonna paint Black Lives Matter on all
of the courts in Orlando, and I'm gonna say something
that you're not supposed to say because it goes against
the narrative, it goes against the agenda. And there are
overlords here who decide what social justice looks like and
what isn't that And when you think about black lives matter,

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it's real simple. I believe black lives matter because we
all do. I mean, I don't know anybody that doesn't.
I have no idea where that comes from, but this
is how it works. You come up with a slogan
that's a simple sentence, that is easy too. I mean,
you can't say anything other than well, yeah, of course

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black lives matter. I believe black lives matter in every
possible way. But I sure it's hell don't believe in
black lives matter. And that's the problem is it's not
just a statement. It's far more than that. It's a movement.
And we don't have to get into the minutia of that.
You can go to their website and find out all
you want to about that. But there is a lot

(49:05):
going on here. John Moran has had to apologize because
he said he wanted to put f above twelve for
his jersey, and that basically means twelve twelve being a
slur for cops. I've been wondering that, like I've seen that, Remember,
Adam twelve was was an old was an old comedy
cops show back in like the fifties police show. I

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think it's I don't know if it's a fifties or
sixties before my time. I remember you used to pop
up on Nick at night and so I'm assuming that
that's where it comes from. But twelve is a derogatory
term for police, and he's apologized for that and said, hey,
there's a good, good police out there and all this
kind of stuff. I just think you are. And here's
the other thing, and this goes to my point about
white House visits and the national anthem, which I think

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both should be canceled because it forces you to take
a stand even if you don't want to. And my
example is always the same. I know how my dad votes,
and I know how my mom votes. I've known it
basically my whole life. I know they often disagree politically.
They've been married forever and love each other, and I
hope that my marriage goes as well as there's does.

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But they keep that private. It's not something that they
They don't introduce themselves the way you do on social media.
Now when you go and you look at somebody's bio
and in that slow deal right there, you see exactly
where they vote, because they want you to know. I'm
not gonna walk up to you, Jeff at Radio Row
and say hey, I'm Jason Martin, conservative Christian libertarian, like
I'm not. That's not. My identity is rooted in something

(50:32):
a lot bigger than where it is that that I'm
going to vote in November or anywhere else. But that's
kind of I think, where we have gotten to here.
And if I am just a player that wants to
wear my jersey the normal way, okay, I saw Chris
Paul said that's gonna be okay, But don't you think

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it's gonna become a roll call of who does and
who doesn't, and those who don't are gonna be questioned
about that by a media that I think is complicit
in wanting these messages to be there so that they
can make them a story when all we want we
talked in the first hour about Cam Newton and how
excited we were to be able to talk about sports,

(51:15):
and how football is saying full steam ahead, and we're
excited about all this kind of stuff. Why can't the
NBA do the same thing. It's not like Lebron, James,
Anthony Davis or anybody else doesn't have eight trillion different
platforms in which they can say whatever they want to say.
They can lead marches, they can lead protests, they can
spend money, they can start foundations, they can speak in

(51:37):
press conferences, they can speak on social media, they can
do anything. They can do endorsement deals with charities or
whatever in the world. But for that two and a
half here it is. It's the same thing as this.
I believe black lives matter. I don't believe in black
lives matter, because there's a difference between those two things.
I don't believe shut up in dribble, but I do

(51:58):
believe that while you're playing the sport. I just want
to be able to watch the dribble because that's what
I paid to cease to be entertained. Ultimately, we want
to escape into sports, and the NBA is not gonna
let us do that. It's gonna be on the floor
in front of us, it's gonna be on everybody's jerseys
with all these different causes, but it's gonna only be
select causes. And I think the unintended consequences of forcing

(52:22):
people to make this decision and other players that don't
want to do this maybe feeling almost forced to do it.
There was another part where Chris Paul said, Hey, if
you don't know which causes to support them, will will
lead you in the direction of some we believe would
be good. What are we doing here? But what is
the necessity of doing this on your uniform and opening

(52:43):
up I think cans of worms that flat out do
not need to be opened up. Well, many things to
touch on here, um, I do think that. And this
is I can really despect the NFL up with I've
discussed this not with you, but in general, um is
that when it comes to kneeling, right, we're gonna see

(53:03):
a lot of players kneel. I think in a week one.
I don't think it's gonna go past a lot past
week one, but I think people are going to judge
the players that don't kneel now, right, like like why
you're not kneeling? Why don't you Like for me, for example,
when I was playing, there's probably no chance that would
have kneeled. And that does not mean I don't support
my teammates and their cause. I very much do. But

(53:26):
then like that wasn't really I wasn't I was out there,
like like I I would not have been comfortable to
answer the questions that were brought to me. Now you
have to actually have to be comfortable answering the questions
brought to you on the other side. Possibly now as well,
but like that wasn't like I wasn't able to do
that in my CRISI probably got I got to the Giants,
so I felt more comfortable in the role that I

(53:48):
had on the team. Maybe I would have done it then,
but I probably would not have kneeled. And I don't think.
I think a lot of players like feel the same
way as me. It's not that we don't support our
teammates and and we don't listen to them and whatnot.
But now guys that don't kneel are gonna be asked
why aren't you ceiling? And I think for the n
b A, and I'm curiously, how many players do this? Um?
You know, why don't you have something in the back

(54:09):
of your jersey? So as far as the black lives
matter on the court, um, I I think And maybe
I'm unique in this that I can kind of mentally
like detach myself from social media, saying like, hey, this
platform is not real life. I use it for work,
I use it's a joke. I do follow for news, um,

(54:31):
you know. But but like generally speaking, I kind of
just know what it is, UM, And I'm able to
detach personally, I think from politics and sports. Now, I
think I can watch the NBA and see names in
the back of the jerseys and see black Lives Matter
in the court and just detach my brain from like
I'm just watching the game. It's on the court, like whatever,
it doesn't bother me, to the fact that I just

(54:52):
I'll be able to watch it find do you not
think you'll be able to detach from the political message
just to watch the game, Like will bother you? Or
does it bother you that that the the other side
is not getting the same respect if they put that
on their jersey, Is that like does that bother you more?
Or just the fact that it's kind of on the
court while you're watching the game, the on the court thing.

(55:13):
If they want to put that message there, it's gonna
upset some people. It's not gonna upset some people. I
have a visceral reaction to that particular statement because I'm
anti Marxist, and I'll just leave it right there. But
when you get past all of that, and you're right, yes,
you can separate the two sort of, except people are
donating money based on a sentence, not realizing where that

(55:34):
money is actually going and what it's actually funding when
you put stuff on the back of your jersey, I
honestly don't care which side it is. It's just a
time and a place situation, and that ain't the time
and that ain't the place. Can you separate it and
watch basketball? Yeah, I'm not gonna boycott the n b A.
I'm gonna watch it because I love hoops. But at

(55:55):
the same time, if ESPN or anybody else starts talking
about these various things instead of the game, that's gonna
get frustrating. And I think, regardless of us coming from
a different place on this, Jeff, you have to agree
because we have talked about off air, just in text
change and things like that, how it does seem like
and we'll get into this when we come back out

(56:17):
of the break, that there are people rooting for sports
not to be played and that's preposterous, but there is
a media that is rooting for things to happen instead
of celebrating them. I went off on the Bonus edition
about kick to coverage, and I think I might have
even said it on Friday as well about the Bubba
Wallace situation, because as soon as I found out that

(56:38):
wasn't what it was purported, to be. At first, I said,
that's awesome. Can we celebrate that. It turns out this
country is not quite as broken as some thought, like
that should be a great thing, that should be a
positive thing. But the reaction wasn't that way. It was
still trying to hold onto this like they needed it

(56:59):
as a is to needing reconciliation and unity on the
other side. And so I look at the media and
I'm just like, the media will not be able to
help themselves in making this ten times worse than it
would be otherwise. I just think if you want to
speak on causes, you have so many other avenues to
do it, including the press conference without even being asked

(57:19):
a question. Putting it on your uniform is just going
to upset some people. If they don't care, then that's fine,
but there will be some backlash to this. And your
point about the kneeling is the one that bothers me.
And that's why I say you cancel the national anthem
in the White House visits, because they force you to
do one thing or the other. And now it's either

(57:40):
why didn't you kneel or why would you go to
the White House with that guy in office? Regardless of
whether it's Obama or whether it's Trump, or whether it's
gonna be Biden or whatever it is. It just forces
you to take a stand when I think a lot
of guys just want to play ball, or at least
want to keep that part of their lives private. I
don't think every everybody wants to make this stuff public.

(58:02):
Social media makes us think that everybody's every thought is
out there, and that's just a flat outline. Yeah, I'm
I'm with you on where social media is. But I
just I guess I do a better job of ignoring you.
Like I saw a lot of people with the bubble
Wall and say, hey, look, I'm glad that that there
isn't um you know, there wasn't a hate crime. I
know there's some people that still want to hold onto um,

(58:24):
you know, to hold onto that. But I don't, I
don't like. I guess I just ignore it. Man. I
I don't know. I don't have a better explanation than that.
I don't know. If I just don't follow those people.
There's people that I've muted, like like their entire name
on Twitter, so I just don't see that what they tweet.
Even if if I don't follow them. I just don't
see it period I don't see it period um, so
maybe that's helpful for me. There's certain people that have

(58:45):
definitely done that too, and I think it's made my
timeline better and I spent a lot of time on
social media. But I guess I just don't let it
bother me. Like I I I feel strongly that I
can come up with my own thoughts, and so I
can come up with my own thoughts about how the
bubble wall is situation played out. I don't need the
media member to tell me how I should feel about it.
So I guess it doesn't I guess. But again, though,

(59:06):
like I don't really you know, I'm not on the side.
I guess of that my message is not being heard
on social media, so that's I guess I feel differently
than you would about that. So maybe I don't have
it on, you know, the animosity toward towards how people
report things in general, I just I guess I just
ignore it, man, Like maybe I'm naive to it. I
know I know about naive. I mean it's good, it

(59:29):
doesn't that's great. I just wonder how many people can
actually do that, and well, they're not and that and
I don't have a great uh retort for that, and
they're just not I mean, I wish I could tell
everyone to pick and choose how that you know, what
they think. But I've just been a free thinker, like
I can see the way it played out. I can
see the picture of the noose. I can read about

(59:51):
whether or not this was in other stalls in Nascar. Um.
You know, I I and I can figure out how
I think about the situation without how immediate members push
one way or the other. And there were a lot
of them, and I saw and say, hey, look, I'm
glad there's not a hate crime that you know that
occurred here. Um. But yeah, there definitely is an agenda
with media members. UM. And I just I just try

(01:00:15):
my best, I guess, to to ignore it because I
spent too much time on social media that if I
were to let it influence my life, my life would
be miserable. And I so I just try not to
let influence how I feel about situations. Well, there were
more Jeff schwartz Is in the world. I think that
would be a positive, especially on social media. We'll we'll
continue to talk. We'll talk more about the media, and
when we come back on the flip side, this is

(01:00:37):
outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis m Clay's out the

(01:01:04):
rest of the week. Jason Martin, Jeff Schwartz is in play,
will be back on Monday. He's down in Florida and
joining a vacation well deserved. Jeff's at Jeff Schwartz. I'm
at j mart Radio. Jeffer, do you actually think all
of the sports dates that we've heard so far are
gonna stick? Yes, I'll tell you why. And Adam Silver

(01:01:27):
for as much of a backpoint, I don't think he has.
At times he basically said it best. He's like, look,
we we understand the risks. We're doing the best we
can to mitigate them. But life continues, sports continue. We
need to get back to work, and that's the way
it should be, is that we're doing the best we

(01:01:47):
can in our situation right now, which is the bubble.
We're we've tested, We'll get guys in the bubble and
we'll try to mitigate the best we can. The virus.
Like my the reason why I have hoped football would
be back for the longest time. Obviously, personally, I want
to work and I love the game and whatnot. That's

(01:02:08):
that goes on saying. But when we first had the
lockdowns that happened in March and we stopped sports right
the tournament got canceled, NBA season got got got suspended,
hockey all that. I thought to myself, Look, we have
seven months to football starts to the actual first weekend
of games, which for college football is Labor Day. Then

(01:02:29):
the next weekend is NFL the Chiefs Texas is Thursday,
September ten. I thought, we have we have seven months,
Jason for that to happen. If we can't find a
way to play football in seven months, then we are
far worse off as a country than I thought we'd
be when we locked down in March. And that's why

(01:02:50):
I want football come back. It's because it signals to
me that we have some normalcy returning. Now. We probably
won't have fans and Wenna have very limited fans. There
might be some you know, some different protocols put in place,
but whatever is that Football's back at least, and to me,
the same the same for me with baseball and basketball,
is that when we get these sports back, it means
we're returning someone to know even though normal for the

(01:03:13):
NBA is in a bubble. It's not something that's that's
not how they normally do it. But they're at least
trying to play. And at some point you just have
to you have to do it. Like when my thing
about the idea of returning sports, everyone says that you know,
you have to wait for something to happen. What is
that something? Is? It is a vaccine that may or
may not come, that might not be effective, that most
people don't take, some people take, it might not work.

(01:03:35):
Like what what is it the vaccine? Like? Is it
when numbers go down? Well, what does that? We? We
we numbers guys. Look, whether you agree or disagree with
the way COVID is being covered, numbers are going back up.
That we did not flatten the curve, So we can't
we can't say that anymore. Is when sports can return?
Because I don't think we're gonnaver flatten the curve and
ain't gonna happen. So Jason, I'm asking you, like, I

(01:03:58):
know you want sports to be back, but like how
could someone say, like the right time is this that
there is? There's never gonna be a right time return
with protocols put in place. If players test positive, they
go to a fourteen day injured reserve or to throw
out the bubble, or baseball puts him on the I on,
it's on I R anymore or whatever it's called now,
um and and then we just continue to play sports

(01:04:21):
like I don't see the issue and doing it in
that manner me either. And I think you're absolutely right.
I mean, we we have no disagreement here at all.
There's never gonna be a oh it's completely eradicated, no
one ever has, or it's not gonna be there any
time in the near future. I mean, I know what
Malcolm Jenkins said about football being non essential, and that
goes along with where he is trying to be, you know,

(01:04:44):
on television on CNN, and that's exactly what they want
him to say about football. So he gives them that.
But look, if you don't want to play any that,
don't play and don't get paid or whatever it is
that you feel like you need to do. But vaccine
ain't gonna be here next month. You it's not going
to be here in the fall. And you see these
stories Alstra college football be moved to the spring. Look
at all the number of cases. When did it change now?

(01:05:07):
It's about the number of cases before it wasn't. CDC
came out on Thursday and said, what twenty million people
potentially have had it, uh since August or whatever the
number was, which means it's nowhere nearest fatal as we
thought it was. It's also there are risk categories. We're
wearing masks now just to make sure that we're not
spreading it to someone who can't fight it off. I

(01:05:28):
understand social distancing. I get all of the protocols and
all of the safety precautions that need to be taken
with all these sports and everything else. I get it.
But there's you walk out of your house and there's
a risk. There's gonna be a risk to some degree anyway.
And your point that there's not ever going to be
a perfect return time in terms of everything being exactly

(01:05:51):
the way it was maybe prior to what's happened over
the past four months is apt. It's dead right, which
means you have you have a spine, if you're Adam Silver,
if you're man for it, if you're whoever. Right now,
you just have to continue along your pathway and you
have to make the right decisions and you said football saying, hey,

(01:06:12):
we're gonna play. If things get to a point where
you can't, then okay, I guess you have to make
that decision at that point in time. But you can't
just continue to delay and delay and delay thinking that
all of a sudden it's going to be perfect, because
perfect is not something that seems to exist in well,
perfect almost never exists, right, I mean, like like this,

(01:06:34):
there's never gonna be good times. So I just you know,
I again like I'm hopeful for sports to be back
for the reasons I laid out that it feels like
normalcy of some sort as returning, and we all have
to do our part. Only people to say this, like
if you guys want sports back, where you're day masks,
Like I just like where like if you want supposed
to be back, that's the quickt way for it to happen.

(01:06:54):
If you don't want people talking about upticks in the
in the virus, do what you have to do to
make sure it doesn't happen. And it's it seems easier enough.
And and even for the players, like look, guys, you're
gonna have to understand this year college and NFL players,
NBA they're in a bubbles a little different baseball players.
It's baseball gonna be. They're gonna be flying back and
forth between. It's not gonna be just like in Arizona, right,

(01:07:15):
They're gonna be in their home cities. I think they're
gonna mitigate travel by playing a lot of the teams
that are closer to then. Um, like, guys, this is
a year where you probably just don't go to the bar,
don't go to the club, like, I think players gonna
take some personal responsibility and making sure that they do
what they have to do to stay healthy and do

(01:07:36):
what they have to do to to to to do
their part and making sure that the game is played.
Because we've seen you at an outbreak. I think it
was l s U right there. Everyone was at a
bar and it's spread to their team, like you just
can't go out and um, that's something that personal responsibility
of the players. It's gonna be in the players, like
they have to make sure that they do what they

(01:07:57):
what they need to do to make sure they don't
get the virus. And it's not perfect and you know
you might get it somewhere else, but just don't go
to clubs. Try not to be encrowded places like try
to do your best to make sure you are healthy
so you can play, and you don't give it to
someone else on your team. So the players, there's so
responsibilion players as well to make sure that they do
their part and and and making sure that the season

(01:08:19):
kicks off on time. I don't view these positive tests. Look,
Clemson has what like thirty seven players tess positive. Well,
guess what, guys, their first game is September three. It's
not June like it's it happened. It's players return, especially
from regions that have less restrictions, you're gonna see more

(01:08:39):
positive We have not seen a lot of positive tests
in the Pact Wealth Conference now that only half the
schools are back and they're filtering kids in slowly, but
we've seen very few positive tests because they have more
restrictive policies right now. It makes total sense. It doesn't
mean that we can't have football, doesn't mean we're not
gonna football, but that's gonna be positive tests, and we
have to live with that. And guess what. The kids
will be fine, right, They'll they'll go on. Most of

(01:09:01):
them will never even show symptoms that they'll be they'll
be isolated for two weeks and they'll come back and
play football. Yes, and I understand that we do not
know the long term effects the COVID has in your body.
That's true. We don't know that. That isn't a valid
point to make, but we want to know that for years,
so shut down life. You can't shut down all of
life because of unknown circumstances that you're not gonna know

(01:09:22):
for five years, like at that point in time. Alright, well,
then I guess we just need to vaporize the entire
planet at this point because there's no point in being
here anymore. Comes we might have I might, I might
go somewhere else. It's pigs in China. If you trust
China I read about I know. Yes, we did a
good bit there on the NBA, especially in that first

(01:09:43):
segment talking about jerseys and putting these messages instead of
your name and what the consequences could be for that,
just in terms of the reaction and the there's obviously
going to be backlash, and some of it's gonna be Look,
when I say there's an agenda on know there's an
agenda on both sides. It's not as if I'm just
suggesting that it's one side. There are some people that

(01:10:05):
are gonna be opportunists on the flip side here as well.
This just seems entirely one trillion percent unnecessary. Now, I
know Justin Cooper wanted to jump in and talk. I
want to go ahead and take a break because I
feel like if he talks, then we won't be able
to react to what he says. And he had thoughts
on the reopening, but he also had thoughts on the
jersey situation. If you have thoughts based on what we thought,

(01:10:28):
call us at eight nine on Fox. That's six three
six nine. When we come back, we'll hear what Coop
had to say and what he he sent me a message.
He said, hey, I've got a comment and I didn't
see it in time. So when we come back, we
will remedy that mistake and react to what he has
to say as we continue to talk about whether it's
a good idea it's not to put these messages on

(01:10:48):
NBA jerseys for the restart, We'll be right back, So
I'll kick the coverage jump Fox Sports Radio. This is
out kicked the coverage with Clay Travis putting the finishing

(01:11:18):
touches on the second hour of out Kick, third hour
still to come. Petros Papadekas will join us. Jeff Schwartz,
Jason Martin, that's the US. In the previous sentence, CLAYT.
Travis Back on Monday, Jeff's on Twitter at Jeff Schwartz,
I'm at j mart Radio, all right, Coop. I wanted
to make sure that you had time to talk as
opposed to doing it right before we went to a break.

(01:11:38):
I don't know exactly where you want to go, but
I'm curious to hear your thoughts back to the top
of the hour, when you know, I laid out my
case and I did the same thing on the Jason
Martin Show on Sunday. Here on FS are heard across
the country on many of the same affiliates about the
Jersey situation and my belief it's just not a particularly
good idea in terms of time and place, not the message.

(01:12:01):
If we want to spread that message, then you can absolutely.
I love the fact that we live in a country
where you do. It's just in that moment. But but
what do you have for us? Well, there was one
term that you used, um that kind of sparks something
when when you said that it's completely unnecessary, and I
think unfortunately it was completely necessary because you had so

(01:12:21):
many uh so many superstars even so many, so many
players that are in these teams that are going to
be in the bubble in the playoffs that were hesitant
about coming back and joining the bubble, not only because
of COVID reasons, but because they didn't want to take
away from, you know, the work that was being done,
the message for you know, social justice, and so I

(01:12:45):
imagine that this whole thing with the the thing on
the jerseys was a way to appease that concern. Yeah,
I mean, I remember that. I remember that part of
the story coming out and what I thought about when
I first heard that, because I I can't remember exactly
which players it was. I know Kyrie mentioned it, but
there was somebody else who spoke. I think it's Lou

(01:13:06):
Williams as well. Yeah, okay, Well, one of the things
Lou william said, He's like, well, I don't want people
to to worry about stat lines and they should be
worried about all this kind of stuff. And I thought
it myself, can we not walk into gum at the
same time, like, can we not do both. It's like,
I imagine that, And he said, you know, this is
gonna take away and people aren't gonna be in the

(01:13:27):
streets and all this kind of stuff. If you're gonna
be in the streets protesting for something that means you
care about it a lot, or you care about something
a lot, you wanna be a part of something. And
I don't think a basketball game is gonna keep you
at home. It's not like I was gonna go protest,
but Clippers Lakers is on tonight, so I'm gonna stay
here like that. That doesn't make any sense to me.

(01:13:50):
It doesn't seem like it's It's not like the cause
gets destroyed and goes away because you go play basketball
for three hours. I didn't understand that argument. Well. When
Dowyt Howard made some of his comments and they were
kind of backtracked a little bit by by his agent, Um,
you know, my first reaction was that the platform, the
reason why you have the platform you have is because

(01:14:10):
you're a professional athlete, in Dwight's case, hall of famer,
like he's gonna be a Hall of Famer. Like the
reason why you have the platform you do is because
of your immense talent in your sport and you're able
to use that platform too and however way you want, right,
And if you don't go play in the bubble, you
don't have the same platform. Yes you have social media,
but you don't have a camera in your face every

(01:14:32):
single day. Now. I don't know what the media availability
will be in the bubble, but nonetheless, you know, in
a typical NBA season, you're the cameras in your face
almost every day. And if the Lakers play the Western
Conference Finals or whatever, however they're doing it now, um,
I think it's the Western Confence Finals still and then
they play in the NBA Finals the way the schedule,
but that's one whole month, right, they're playing there, you know,

(01:14:53):
the seven game series every other day. It's one whole month,
an entire month. You will have a camera in your face.
You can use that opportunity to continue to further your message.
And if you choose to not go to the bubble
to further the message that you know or further the cause,
you might not have the same opportunity to do that
besides just using social media. And do you get more

(01:15:14):
out of social media or do you get more out
of going and doing this on with all the cameras
from every single network in your face. And you're right,
you can do both at the same time. You can
also play and work on social justice, which Lebron has
been doing now perfectly for many years. You might disagree
with the message, but he's been able to play basketball
high level and also use this platform outside of basketball

(01:15:34):
to get things done as well. But I think Cooper's
point is is actually probably pretty valid that that this
was a way to appease players who felt like they
weren't able to spread their message while playing. So hey, guys,
you can have this. Well, well, well we'll give you
this because we'll pay. I think Adam Silver's figured out that, look,
we gotta play. We might lose a couple of fans

(01:15:55):
if we do this, but the money from not playing
is not it's not worth it. Let's get him on
the court. Even if we do this, we'll weather the storm,
will make some money at least. No the points right,
I mean, I I think that makes a lot of sense.
I hadn't thought about it from the perspective of they
want them to play, and they're also concerned about the
message and the time and all of this that they're like, oh,

(01:16:18):
we should sit out the season and silver in the
n b A. They don't want that because they understand
the loss of money, the loss of jobs, the loss
of a lot of things that could potentially come from this.
Like that, that makes a lot of sense, It really does.
It doesn't change my opinion on whether or not I
think it's the right decision to make. But and and
I hope that most people are like you, Jeff again,

(01:16:41):
I do think you can walk a che gum. At
the same time, I just think this makes it nearly
impossible for you to watch a game. And well, it
does make it impossible for you to watch the game.
It makes it difficult for you just to be able
to escape the way that you want to, because even
when you are going away from news come Ridge because
you've been inundated with it, with COVID or whatever else,

(01:17:03):
you just want to veg out watch an NBA game. Now,
you're still gonna have messaging of whatever type, even if
you agree with it, shoved in your face, reminding you
of the reality. The reality is there. It's not like
I'm watching a basketball game and I don't know what's
going on outside my door. It's not like I don't
care about the things that I care about. While I'm
watching those things, I just want to be able to escape.

(01:17:26):
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(01:18:17):
Travis is back on Monday. Jeff's on Twitter at Jeff Schwartz.
I'm at j Mark Radio. I say this on my show.
I say this all the time. Agreement is never a
prerequisite when it comes to me. I learned so much
more when people are coming from other perspectives, things that
either I have a blind spot too, or things that
I overlook. Weeks ago, when I had my Sunday morning

(01:18:41):
show the night that the riots hit here in Nashville,
the peaceful protest that then ended up not so peaceful.
I didn't come to work. I spoke with my wife,
and my parents were beside themselves, and I didn't want
to put them through that. I didn't want them to
sit up all night wondering about me, even though I
felt like I would probably be safe. There was a

(01:19:01):
curfew put into effect and and all of that. So
the next week I came on the radio and I said,
you know, I've never wanted to be here less because
I don't know what to say. I don't know what
I don't know. I know there are things that I
don't know. And educate me, help me, let me in
on the specific challenges that the black community faces. Call me,

(01:19:23):
tell me what you've seen, what it is that I
don't know, so that we can actually move towards a solution,
so that we're not just looking at a sentence or
a three word statement that represents a larger movement or
any of these kinds of things. Tell me what we
can do to actually remedy the problems. And I think
that that's still you know, it's still sort of out there,

(01:19:46):
and it's continuing to look. It's polarizing on all sides.
So there are people that are tweeting that are disagreeing
with me, and then there are some people that are
agreeing with me. And Coop made an excellent point at
the end of the last hour about the messaging maybe
being away, the messaging on the uniforms in the NBA,
maybe being a way to make sure that guys are
gonna be on the court when you've had some outspoken

(01:20:09):
saying that they don't want to come back because where
they're afraid to come back because they're afraid it's going
to harm the message. Because look, this summer is probably
gonna have its share of demonstrations and protests maybe for
things that we don't even know about yet. With you
never know what's actually going to be around the band.
So that, I mean, that's an excellent point. And that's
that's what we love here. I think that's I think

(01:20:31):
that's what Clay loves and I know that's what I love.
I learned things when you guys talk to me, and
so that was an excellent point. I'm glad we went
to it. If you have thoughts on anything, you can
always call us at eight, seven, seven, nine and nine
on Fox. That's six three, six nine. And with that said, Jeff,
where are you on this? Damorris Smith the nfl P

(01:20:53):
A angry about the private workouts? Where are you on?
Brady still trying to get some work in, which were
three guys. Even though there's a couple of positive COVID
tests with the Buccaneers. I'm on the side of Tom
Brady and the players in this situation. I'll tell you why,
um for for one UM just it's about timing right now.

(01:21:15):
Right it's a month from training camp and and and
players know their bodies, know their minds know they have
to start getting ready right like like like this is
the this is the time of the year when you
make your final push to get ready for training camp.
And so guys know, the responsible players, the older players
know this is that time where that final push is necessary.

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And a lot of that final push includes working out
with other guys, because that's how you motivate yourself. You
push yourself. You have a trainer off in there, and
that's how guys prepare. And I understand that that's what
they have to do, because come July, the excuse of, hey,
the p A didn't want me to work out with anybody,
I'm not in as good a shape as I should
be does not work. And fl teams do not care

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about that. As much as they might say they do publicly,
they don't care that you're not in shape. They're gonna
hold that against you when it comes time to value
what your play in training camp. But also I think
players feel pretty invincible in general in life. Okay, I
know I did when I believe though I was hurt
a bunch, I still felt invincible. I think players for

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the most part feel invincible about COVID for the personally
for themselves, like they feel that if they get it,
and the studies of data have shown they're not likely
to feel a lot of symptoms. If they do, they're
gonna be quite mild. I feel so, I feel like
players personally for themselves, so hey man, I'll take the
risk of getting sick to make sure I'm ready to

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play for the season now. They also understand that, you know,
there that they get the virus or the demand, they
could pass it to someone else. I have. I believe
that they have some compassion and empathy when it comes
to that idea. Um. But just personally, like if I
if it was me training right now and I know
I had a season, I would think to myself, look,
the risk is worth it to go training. Where I'd

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be in Dallas right now training with my trainer and
doing it safe, or we're not gonna have twenty guys
that workout session. We're gonna have, you know, three to
four and we're gonna work out. Get my work and
I'll go back home and I'll wear my mask and
I'll do everything i have to do to stay as
healthy as possible. But I would take that risk. I
would do it because I think that that for me.
I know I had to prepare, I know that I

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need to get ready, and I understand the p A
is concerned. I get it there. That's their job. The
job is to protect players as best as possible. Now,
should Tom Brady be out there with FDR quotes on
Twitter on social media, you know, basically in flaming situation, No,
he shouldn't. But I mean whatever I'm if. If I'm
not gonna be upset about NBA players putting slogans on
their journeys, I'm definitely not gonna be upset about Tom

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Brady posting on social media like he should. He shouldn't
be doing it, but he is. And I mean it's
now a story. Yeah, it's it's interesting. I think it's
more of a story because it's Brady, and I think
that that's I mean, that's the reason why it's out there.
If if this were I don't know, you can name
any number of guys, dude, there's plenty of players working
out together like this's not just Tom. Of course that

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Ryan supposedly has like a night like a nine. We
can't put together first first teammates. And I understand that
health is a thing and the nfl PA needs to
give off the effect that hey, we're doing this in
the you know, best interest of health and in the
best interests of our players and all of that kind
of stuff like that. That I think is what they
have to say, and it makes sense. He says they're

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not in the best interest, meaning these workouts, they're not
in the best interest of protecting our players heading into
training camp. But I don't think they are in the
best interest of us getting through an entire season. We
may get through an entire season anyway, Like I mean,
at some point we have to realize that seasons could
just end based on whatever is going to happen. Like

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that's that's seemingly what we have seen here. But I saw,
you know, Connor VSPN right this deal saying that Tom Brady,
who has been a good example in the past, even
though he has a checkered past, is just leading horribly
right now that he should be basically first and foremost,
and I do too. I mean, he's doing what he
has to do for his job, and uh, this is

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just this is how a competitor wins. And I think
your invincibility point is adept also because a lot of
these guys just don't even understand all the things that
are out there that can bite them. And that's the
same thing as like the high school athlete that's diving
into the end zone up forty two nothing that doesn't realize,

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you know, someday those hits are gonna take their toll,
and there is going to be a hit that you
don't get up from, potentially that or the one that's
or the accumulation of those hits at least it's gonna
end your career or shorten it, to say the least.
But most of these guys, and that's one of the
things about we have to understand, somebody in the NBA
inside this bubble is going to get COVID nineteen once

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they're in the bubble. Correct. Baseball players are going to
get this. Football players are going to get this. We
have to understand the same thing as the flu. People
are going to get a virus. It is going to happen.
This is just going to have to be part of life.
It's a good possibility, the COVID nineteen or some variation
of it, it's going to be with us for the
remainder of our lives. That mean there's not gonna be

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a vaccine someday, although a lot of times there's not.
The original Stars never got a vaccine, but I think
a lot of that was because they stopped researching it
because it became less of a factor. But eventually you
just have to get back to things like the idea
of the NBA players having to put their cards after
they play them into ziplock bags and incinerating them basically

(01:26:40):
like we're in a zombie outbreak and things like that,
Like you're not gonna throw a football in the zip
block bag, and even if you do, the ziplock bag
could potentially still be carrying the virus. So it doesn't matter.
Like I just look at this and I just say
they're trying to do something because they think that they
have a job to do. In a couple of months,
and they want to be in the best position to
do that job to the best of their ability. Exactly,

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We're just gonna have to get used to players testing positive.
I mean, it just it just is. It's gonna happen. Um,
My concer, my concern with COVID and in sports is
not the players. It's the coaches and the support the
older guys. I'm not worried like like I'm a Chiefs
fan because my brother is on the Chiefs. I'm worried

(01:27:24):
about Andy Reid getting COVID way more than my brother
getting COVID, like I'm not like so, so, yes, you
can say that the players staying healthy is important because
they don't want to pass it on to obviously coaches
who are more at risk than than the players are. Um,
but look, I hope, and we're still a month away

(01:27:45):
from camp starting. I hope that I always work on
saliva test that can test you know, for for COVID
much sooner, much quicker. So therefore, you based in theory
and theory, you can as the players walk in the
facility of the morning, they get tested for COVID. This
is if this live test happens, they get tested their
deem negative for COVID or positive positive. You go away

(01:28:08):
obviously negative becoming the facility just and you just you
have your practice, you have your day like a normal day. Now,
there's probably not gonna be a one hundred percent accuracy
for all the tests, so that you know that is
a little bit of a concern. But you know, specifically
to to the NFL, and I'm m sure I don't
know how the NBA is gonna handle some of these things.
You know, the NFL has talked about. You know, we're
gonna physical distance in in the in the locker room, right,

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We're gonna have We're gonna have the locker six ft apart.
We're gonna have meeting rooms, everyone separated. Well, guess what,
there's not a lot of room in an NFL facility.
There's only a locker room for seventy guys, right, because
you don't have it's not college football, you don't have
a players on your team. The team meeting room is
only big enough for the team. You know, the offensive
line room has fifteen chairs because it's fifteen guys. There's

(01:28:53):
not room to put guys six ft apart. The quarterback
room has four chairs. It's a small little room because
you don't need to have a lot of chairs in
a quarterback room. Is only four quarterbacks and a coach
typically on your team. I was talking to Ryan Jensen,
the center of the Tampa by Bucks on my podcast
Jeff Swart's Smarter than You and um he mentioned that
Tampa's talking about you know, they have about twenty showers,

(01:29:15):
twenty shower heads in their shower right now. They're talking
about having only two people in there at a time. Like,
come on, like really really, like that's really gonna work.
So so this is the stuff I'm talking about. It's like,
I I understand the NFL is doing these you know,
trying to put these protocols in place, but if we
can find a way to test players, If if the
technology is available in a month to test players before

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they enter, and then you deem them to be negative,
then you should just be able to have regular distance,
regular protocols. You know. The NBA, for example, are they
gonna do this too. I haven't heard about they're gonna
have you know, three showers in the entire locker room
and guys are rotating in or not, or they're gonna say, hey,
look you've entered the bubble. Your negative, We're just gonna
have the set up like usual, or you don't shower

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at all and you have to shower in your hotel room.
That's kind of gross. But sure. Yeah, well I'm not
saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying that you
can see how it's like high school again, where you
just like I just after prize, I would get in
my car and drive home. God. Look, if you're if
you're in a situation, look and your your wife works
in the medical field. My wife is a doctor. My

(01:30:22):
wife has treated I think on Friday she actually saw
somebody that tested positive. Okay, so, and I think she
had seen three others at least since that point in time.
So have we been a little bit more cautious than
other people, Yes, we have. Uh, she's certainly more to
the hey, let's be really careful than I have been.

(01:30:42):
But you know, she's encouraged me to wear a mask,
and she's and we've kind of looked at this and
we've read it. I read the Wall Street Journal article
from a couple of days about masks, and that made
me a lot more comfortable and more cognizant of wearing
a mask just to do the right thing and things
like that. Have we seen our parents, We've been careful.
We went and saw her parents a few weeks ago
when we were still worried that maybe she had been

(01:31:04):
in contact, even though it was kind of a remote
chance based on distance, that she had gotten it from
this person. She stayed outside the house, you know. I
took the food in, I spent time with them, and
she kind of talked to him through a door. Like
I still believe people are gonna make decent enough decisions,
but you hope, and look I did. Look I was

(01:31:25):
driving here downtown Nashville a few nights ago when I
was on the way to the studio, and everybody was
right next to each other, and I saw no masks,
even though there's a mask order. So there are people
that are not going to do this, and there are
some that are just going to get back completely to
normalcy indoors, which doesn't seem to make a whole lot
of sense, But you just have to accept the fact
that doesn't mean you're gonna get it, but somebody he's

(01:31:49):
probably gonna get it. Like you're gonna be in a
situation where you might be exposed to it. I look
at that Clemson situation where there's thirty was it thirty
four thirty seven guys that came down with it, And
you know, Clay and I were joke about a chickenpox
party and just trying to get everybody that that needs it.
That's not a high risk. But like if you have asthma,
you leave the room, everybody else chilling here, We're gonna
watch The Dark Night together and see if everybody can

(01:32:12):
get infected right now, because it gives us an advantage. Now,
I know you you can't do that, but ultimately, wouldn't
that be the best possible method. It's just to try
to get everybody hurt immunity in these locker rooms so
that your star player doesn't come down with this at
a key moment that knocks you out of a postseason.
I mean, if you can guarantee that no one's get

(01:32:34):
to die from it, you won't get it again, and
that you won't have long term effects, I also think
that I also think that's something interesting. Like you know,
a lot of us, I think have underlying conditions we
don't quite know about at times. I'm not saying that
that's I mean, like you know you might have, like
you know, maybe I have, you have a slight form
of asthma you don't know about, and then you obviously
get complicated from from COVID. I just I people talking

(01:32:56):
about the chickenpox party, my my radio co host on
my actual shows that that's what he did as a kid,
and his parents sent him to to another house where
so that chicken ranks. But but we know that chicken
pox is a one time occurrence and it's not not
not deadly. So I just see that that that in
theory sounds great and comes and might have herd immunity,

(01:33:17):
but you just don't know the long term effects of this,
and I that would sound crazy to me. I couldn't imagine.
I'm sure your wife would feel the same way about
you doing you of course, I know it's really easy
to theorize things, but I mean, I just I think, look,
if you're around somebody, I just don't think a whole
lot of people are gonna make bad decisions. And I

(01:33:39):
even athletes, I don't think you're going to make bad decision.
I know, I know, I understand, but I just think
we have to get to a point where we realize
we're going to live with this virus to some degree,
and if they're One thing that my wife said that
I thought was was very adept was that one of
the things that one of the best consequences that could

(01:34:00):
come from mask wearing, even in a short term voluntarily,
nobody needs to be mandating these things. That's that's not America.
But even you know, suggesting strongly that it's a smart idea,
is that it is kind of keeping us from touching
our face. And if we get to a place where
we touch our face a little bit less, that's probably
gonna be better. COVID or no COVID. Just you shouldn't

(01:34:22):
be touching your face, and you realize just how often
you do it, and when you're wearing the mask unless well,
my problem is I keep moving the mask, like if
I'm in a public place and I'm wearing a mask
because she's she told me it's a smarter play for me,
and I certainly don't want to accidentally give it to
somebody who can't fight it off. Um, but I'm still
maneuvering the mask around because I'm wearing glasses a lot

(01:34:44):
of the time, and so I can see because of
this fog problem so there's all this other that's the
first world problem, I know, but that that's that's maybe
the only thing. But there are good things that come
from this. The mandate is not a great idea. I
just I don't know the Limpson thing. If I'm if
I'm a Clemson fan, I feel a little bit better
because a lot of those guys have already gotten it.

(01:35:05):
Maybe I think you can't say that out loud, I guess,
but that's the way I would feel. I mean to me,
you know that I think some things that you know,
people realize that they can work from home. But it's
just I think it's something that that that that comes
out this and that you know, like I don't know,
I haven't really missed like being close to people as much.
Like I'm glad the grocery store people, don't, you know,

(01:35:27):
They're like we're stay away from each other, like you
don't have to crowd each other in public anymore. So
maybe that's a good thing that that that that comes
out of this is well, I mean the mask thing,
like I just I have a couple you have the
the surgical masks. I just but when when I go outside,
I mean, look, it's hot, it's you know, we mentioned
the weather. I'm in Charlotte. You're not wearing outdoors, are you? No? No,
just like when I go to the grocery store, which

(01:35:48):
is basically just what I'm doing now, is the I mean,
I don't I don't go anywhere but the grocery store.
I'm going to the doctor and a I'll wear a mask,
I mean when I I'm not wearing it, like I
don't know when I would be outside to I'm not
wearing it. When I walked to neighbor and my kids.
I see those people that are out there like jogging
with a mask on. I don't want to get out
of my car and punch those people driving the mask. Yeah,

(01:36:08):
that's a ridiculous driving by yourself wearing a mask. Except
we we do. I think we have a mandate in
North Carolina you have to wear it all times. I'm
not quite sure on that. I would defy that. Jeff
would defy that well, Like, I mean, I just don't
know how they're gonna enforce that. Um. But yeah, I'm
not wearing one like in my backyard in the pool.
But so um but no, I have worn a mask.

(01:36:33):
I even felt weird, like one time I forgot to
wear one. I kind of felt like we're just personally.
No one was like demanding I wear one. But I
mean so some places, you know, some places have signs
that they're not letting you in unless you have one on. So, um,
I just wear one because it's the easy thing to do.
I mean, I mean the grocery for twelve minutes. I
mean I could wear a mask for twelve minutes. Not
a big deal. Yeah, no shirt, no shoes, no masks,

(01:36:54):
no service. That's what we're starting to see in a
lot of businesses. And look, if you asked me to
wear one to go into your business, and I'll wear one.
And now, you know, especially after reading that Wall Street
Journal article, it just it just reinforced to me, Okay,
well we can do the smart thing. Let's make sure
that we're not accidentally infecting an older person or somebody
that's not going to be able to fight this thing off.

(01:37:15):
I don't know. It may not be able to protect us,
but if it protects somebody else from the from some droplets,
it's not gonna hurt us to do that. Plus, if
we do that for a little bit, then that eliminates
some of the other excuses that doesn't offer up a lot.
So I don't look at it in terms of it's
not manly to wear a mask. I think that's dumb.

(01:37:36):
I think there's a lot of just there's a lot
of stupid opinion out there. There's a lot of naive opinion.
There's a lot of I am man, hear me ru er.
That's why I'm not going to wear a mask like
that's that's dumb um. And this one, I'm gonna listen
to my wife because she knows a lot more about
medicine than I do. We'll talk to Petros Papadikus about
who I don't even know what Petros is doing. I
want to ask him how his radio show has been going,

(01:37:57):
and how he's been able to hand the pandemic and
the lack of sports and all that and what they've
kind of leaned into, and maybe we'll get his thoughts
on the NBA as well as Cam Newton stick with
us petrosis. Next, this is out Kicked the coverage on
Fox Sports Radio. This is out Kicked the Coverage with
Clay Travis. He's at the Old p on Twitter. It's

(01:38:26):
Petros Papadakis from a M five seven d l A
Sports and the Great Petros and Money Show. Petros, How
are you, good morning fellows? How are you? Thanks for
having me? Nice to hear from you. Um not appreciating
the Taylor Swift thought I would get a reprieved this week.
But that's okay. I was gonna I was gonna wonder, like,
I guess I missed these segments. But when I heard that,

(01:38:48):
I said, there's probably a point behind that. Not a
big cold clay that Taylor. So I mean, just listen
to the song, Listen to the verse, listen to the writing.
I'm like, it's not good Clay, and he got all
upset and but hurt. Now I get this. And the
thing is is usually I'm not in that bat of
a mood, and then I hear the song right before
the interview and it pisces me off, and then it's like, oh,

(01:39:10):
Mr Doom and Gloom. It's like, well, yeah, anyway, So
from from there to this, do you have positivity surrounding
Cam Newton with the Patriots? Oh? Sure? I mean, I
we detailed this from the radio yesterday. And my partner
Matt usually pays much more attention to the NFL than

(01:39:33):
I do, because he's the voice of the Chargers. But
it seems like a really good situation for the Patriots, right.
It seems like a situation that's really like a no
lose situation for them, because if he hits his incentives,
that that means that he's playing really well for them,
and they did a good job bringing him in. And
if he doesn't, they barely have to pay him. And

(01:39:58):
we said it yesterday, I don't think it would be
a big surprise if he thrived there under Josh McDaniels,
who knows how to grind it out with an offense.
I think that, and I've heard that the Patriots are
headed in that direction anyway. They didn't like the way
they were physically bullied by the Titan stand the season,
and then they want to bring that back to people.

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And one of the big indictments on Tom Brady and
this is just father time. And he never had John
Elway's arm to begin with. I'm not I'm not the
radio host that sits there in Rank's arm talent, by
the way, but but I also played football, so I

(01:40:42):
mean Tom Brady couldn't throw that big boy out from
the opposite Hash anymore. He just couldn't do it, and
Cam Newton can do it. I mean he's not the
most accurate guy consistently, but you know, neither was Brady
at this point. And you know Cam can spin it,
especially when the threat of running the ball and being
that guy and the other guys that they have running

(01:41:04):
the rock, they do a great job with that. So
and I think they've just brought in as right the
tight end from U C. L A. And he's a
pretty good looking player and they're probably gonna play a
lot of really closed down type of football. So I'm
okay with that. I think it's it's a positive move.
And if your Cam, you have a lot of confidence

(01:41:26):
in yourself and you're not scared to sign an a
set of later thing in a place that's got a
lot of reputation for developing players well, and even some
guys that have come I remember Corey Dillon who went
to the Patriots and had like a second life under
Bill Belichick, and that was decades ago. You know, people,

(01:41:46):
I think of all the backs they've had between him
and now or even most people. So yeah, I'm good
with it, and nothing it matters if I am or
not but I just can't wait to see him all
dressed up like Samuel Adams or some that had like
one of those three point hats and big fluff, fluffy sleeves,
and I just can't wait to see the fashion. What

(01:42:08):
um not that he's unlikable, because I don't necessarily think
he is. He's done a lot of good work in
the community, but he is kind of a front runner.
He's somebody that definitely goes doom and gloom when things
are going south. He can be good for you, he
can be great for you, or he can be the opposite.
But because he has so much to prove, and and
I wasn't sure he wanted to play football anymore. I
thought he might be going to Andrew Luck route because

(01:42:29):
if he was just so battered and done with rehab.
But here he is fighting back, putting out videos, gets
another opportunity. Seems like he wants to bet on himself
right now. To me, this makes him easier to root for,
Like I kind of want to see him succeed. Does
that make sense? Well? Sure, I mean we love a
comeback story, you know. I want to see Jamis Winston

(01:42:51):
play well if he gets an opportunity we've we've watched
these guys compete and go hard and blood and and
sweat and tears and all that stuff on the biggest
stage for a long time. I mean, we've been aware
of Cam Newton's story, at least those of us in
the football world, ever since he got in trouble at Florida.

(01:43:12):
And I don't know if I'm rooting for him or not,
but I'm certainly interested. Number one, I just want to
see if his shoes have tails. I mean, who wears
shoes with tails? It's an unbelievable I mean, just his
fashion alone, you know. And And there was a time
in my life because of my grandfather, who uh didn't

(01:43:36):
go to college and and and grew up in liquor
stores and was a tough guy and and ran liquor stores,
wore a fedora and a short sleeve button down and
a time, and uh, I used to I used to wear.
I inherited his fedoras when he died, but his head
was much smaller than my, uh, so they looked like

(01:43:58):
little yamakas on me. But I I like Fedora's and
I have a collection, and I used to wear them
all the time in honor of my grandfather. And then
one time Matt and I were doing a show. If
you guys are familiar with Los Angeles, We're down at
Belmont Shore in Long Beach at a place called Legends,

(01:44:21):
which is the very first sports bar in the on
the West Coast, and we're doing a show and a
guy walked up and he had a T shirt on
it and it had a picture of a Fedora on
it and it said Fiduche just ruined it for you.
I mean, you know it. It was not for me,

(01:44:44):
but Matt saw it, you know, and now you know
I know what he's thinking if I ever wear my fedoras. Plus,
it doesn't really help to wear a fedora when you're
doing radio because it's kind of hard to get the
headset over it. But yeah, Cam wears hats with a
way bigger brim, like a huge brim to where it
would like bump into you in the If you're in

(01:45:07):
the cornerback room and you're sitting there trying to go through,
uh why stick and all the different formations you're going
to run it out of, and you're getting hit in
the face with his brim, you know, that could be
a little weird, especially if you're a developing player like
Jared Stidham or Justin Herbert, you know, like they were
talking about out here with the Chargers bringing him in.

(01:45:28):
But I'm just being fun. I think it's gonna be Uh.
He's a football player. He's a really good football player. Uh.
I don't know how be up he is, and he
probably doesn't until he gets starts getting hit consistently again.
And that's the how I mean, that's a weird thing
that that you know, Mr Schwartz knows way more than

(01:45:49):
I do, is if you don't get hit for a year,
the coming back becomes exponentially harder. I mean, it is,
so you can't it's hard to remember why, how much
it hurts, you know, that's why it always shot. It
shocked me when Michael Vick came back and played well.

(01:46:10):
Shocked me just because football is you know, it's not
something you walk away from and then you know, like
being an accountant and then you know, you dust off
the old green visor, you know, in five years. It's
it's just not that way. So it'll be interesting to see.
But but I'm certainly intrigued. And the Patriots know what

(01:46:31):
they're doing and they've been able to absorb a lot
of veterans over the years. If it doesn't work out
like the SNKO thing, you know, they just move on
and then no one really faults him for it is
players start preparing for the season. The season is going
to start on time, at least for the NFL. I
feel very strongly about that. And they said July it's
gonna start, and you you know, you remember your time

(01:46:52):
preparing for the college wall seasons. It starts. You know,
they're telling of these players, hey, we're not gonna work
out in groups right right the past tell Tom Brady,
let's not work out in groups. And I'm I'm on
the side of the players here, um that I think
that they need to continue to work out to prepare
for the season. When you see the p A, you know,
very strongly discouraging players to to to do this. If

(01:47:12):
you were playing right now, would you still be working
out in a group? Well, I mean, if I was
doing radio right now, would I still be going to
the studio And the answer is yes since March, so
for me and you know, we we've all said this
as a qualifier at this point, which is, you know,
everybody's got to do what they're comfortable doing, and you know,

(01:47:35):
everybody has different circumstances. I try not to get offended.
If I'm walking in a on a trail where there's
twenty yards of space and somebody who's wearing a mask
outdoors like goes up onto the embankment, you know, like
twenty yards away from me to let me walk by,
I'm like, my god, you know, but I don't know

(01:47:55):
if that person has somebody in an iron lung at
home or what the hell, like the guy in the
Big Lebowski. So I get that part of it for
me as a former football player, and I never dealt
with a p A because I was a college football
player and people cared even less how we felt when
I was playing. You know, That's the funny thing about

(01:48:17):
this to me, and really one of the funnier things
about society as a whole. I mean, no one used
to care how we felt. No one, I mean, we
just did what we were told, and that was part
of developing as a college football player and team. But
I mean I can see in my in my adult
life the same mentality, which is I knew when the

(01:48:38):
COVID thing happened that and I'm asthmatic. You know, I'm
not exactly h Mr Health over here, But like I
also knew that I had a job to do. I
had a job to try to entertain our listeners and
get people through a tough time. That's our job. That's
why we get paid to do radio, to find the

(01:48:59):
right tone for the moment. And I didn't want to
cower away from it. And if I was playing football,
you know, football players play football. They work out and
they play football. And when you're a football player, I
mean most of them feel like you can jump over
a car anyway. I mean, they're not scared of this.
And if they get sick, they'll recover and go back,
just like the fire department and all these places have

(01:49:20):
been doing for months and months and months. You know,
they get a guy that gets sick, he goes away
for a couple of weeks, they bring them back. Now,
I don't know if that's really sound or if it's
good or bats for society. The thing that's funny to
me is that people are like, well, you know, is
it's safe to go back and play football. It's like, no, no,
it was never safe to play football. Football is the

(01:49:43):
least safe thing that anybody can do, and it's not
about a pandemic either. Football is not safe and a
perfect world football wouldn't exist. You want to make people safer,
you know, don't worry so much about COVID. Go ahead
and commit commit football to be illegal. Uh, obviously they're
two different things, but it is kind of funny to me.

(01:50:04):
I don't think football players live a life of risk,
And at least that's how I felt when I played.
And I'd be going ahead and getting ready to play
and try to make my living if I was a
football player. But again, everybody you know has their own
vibe about this and their own level of fear. That's
what I think. You and I are a little bit different.
When it comes to the music. We won't go with

(01:50:26):
Taylor Swift. But in the last like half minute or so,
give us, give us some music recommendation. I know you
have a deep catalog, So what are you listening to
right now? Let me just open up the whole thing.
Look at the show playlist for this week. We got
David Bowie doing Lazarus, that old song. Oh, a new
jazz artist named or a new jazz artist to me,

(01:50:48):
but a new album by a guy named Quinn Kirschner
Shadows and Light. I think he does a lot of
percussion stuff. Okay, Booju Banton, do you guys know who?
He is? A really famous to making ourst He was
incarcerated in Florida for about nine years cocaine traveling trafficking charge.
Some saying trapped meant you can read up on it.

(01:51:09):
But he's got a new album out called upside Down
and uh, for those of you that like John Legend,
he's on their Stephen Marley's on there. Uh. The Michelle
Obama documentary has got a soundtrack by Carmassi Washington, who's
a great saxophone player from Englewood that people might want

(01:51:33):
to look up. That's awesome. Oh and then there's a
new Jamaican star named Hood celebrity with two wise. What
I like. Of course he's got two wise. It's a
girl exactly. Was about to say, I wondered if that's
something to do with chromosomal stuff. There you figured it
out before I did that. Told you the best man.

(01:51:56):
Thank you, Thank you, guys. Appreciate it at the OLPI
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