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think interesting window into American sports. Right now. On Saturday night,

(01:07):
you had the NBA Game of the week between James
Harden in the Houston Texans and the Oklahoma City Thunder
and Russell Westbrook. Pretty solid game with two big stars
in the NBA playing, and then you had a brand
new startup football league that I bet most of you
haven't even heard about, the A A F. There are

(01:32):
eight total teams. They were all playing this Saturday and
Sunday on CBS, CBS Sports Network, or the NFL Network.
They're opening game of all time aired on CBS, head
to head against the best game in the NBA. How
much do people love football? The minor league football league

(01:56):
known as the A A F, which most of you
no absolutely nothing about, beat the NBA's best game of
the week that was airing on ABC head to head.
That is a jarring and shocking outcome, particularly because the

(02:17):
NBA stands out there in the media, would have you
believe that the NBA is on fire, that people can't
watch enough NBA basketball, and we got a football league
that nobody's ever heard of before beating the best game
in the NBA head to head ABC versus CBS. That's
shocking no matter who you are, to see that happen,

(02:41):
and it leads to my big question of the morning
here as we return from the weekend of Sports one,
did you guys watch two? Is this an amazing potential
outcome for spring football. Is there actually a big odd
adiens of people that hasn't had enough of football and

(03:03):
would be interested in either watching the A A F
which is debuting this year, or the XFL, which is
debuting next year. Now, I watched that game on Saturday night.
I watched it and I was curious to see what
it would feel like. And it was wild to me
to see Steve Spurrier on the sideline coaching a football game. Again,

(03:26):
I loved it. I loved that aspect of the A
A F. And also I thought overall it's a pretty
good quality of football because it brought home how many
people out there would love to play football for about
seventy five thou dollars a year. There are a lot

(03:46):
of you right now driving into work this morning that
don't make seventy five tho dollars a year at your job.
It's great to make millions of dollars a year to
play football, but there is likely a huge segment of
population out there that would love to play football for
seventy dollars a year, for about seven thousand dollars a game.

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There are a lot of you out there that would
sign up for that in a heartbeat. Loved playing in
high school, love playing in college. No, you're not good
enough in any way to make the NFL, but you
still got that dream out there, and maybe if you
continue to get better, you would have a chance in
the minor league of football to one day be able
to rise to the NFL. If this league lasts, that

(04:32):
will become commonplace. It's why the NFL is kind of
open and welcoming this league. The games are airing on
the NFL network, some of them. This is not a
competitor with the NFL. This is seeking to be a
complementary partner with the NFL. We're gonna open up the
phone lines. I'm curious, did you guys watch were you

(04:56):
impressed by what you saw? And now, one of the
challenges in general, I think there are four games. Certainly
the XFL years and years ago debuted to a high
rating and then people said, I don't really want to
watch this. And one of the challenges I think that
the a f L will find in general is that

(05:18):
there aren't that many good quarterbacks and so the offensive
side of the ball may be challenged at times because
I think they're more good defensive players, then there are
really good quarterbacks, and so the defenses may end up
ahead of the offenses. We'll see or maybe we're gonna
get a Kurt Warner in the arena league style situation

(05:38):
where quarterbacks getting some live bullets same with offensive lineman
allows there to be some depth developed at the quarterback position.
And maybe some of these scouts are able to watch real,
live NFL football caliber competition and be able to be
impressed by these guys. And uh and some people are

(05:59):
gonna get off tunities that they otherwise wouldn't. So I
want to open up the phone lines. I'm also going
to bring in the crew here in the next segment.
I want to know if they watched. I want to
know if you would be a buyer or seller on
the idea of minor league football. And I also want
to get your opinions on the NBA getting beat head
to head. I think there's a lot of you out

(06:21):
there right now that had no idea this a a
f L was debuting. My son had no idea. I'll
use it as an example. He was like, wait, Dad,
there's a minor league football league. Yeah, there is. And
I think a lot of you probably for the first time.
Are hearing about it this morning as you are headed
into into work. You're like, Oh, I didn't know that
was going on. I'll check it out this weekend. Maybe

(06:43):
you will, maybe you'll forget. But that's how the news builds.
I didn't think that this was some launch that was
built up with an overwhelming amount of news surrounding it.
Maybe some of you out there. Games took place. Their
franchises in Orlando, franchise is in San Diego, uh, Birmingham, Memphis,

(07:04):
all these different cities that, in theory are are interested
in in the games. I'll tell you this. I know
who's not happy with it right now. ESPN. They spent
a billion dollars on the NBA and it just got
beat head to head the signature game of the week
did by this brand new, upstart football league that CBS

(07:25):
is paying almost nothing to air. Now, maybe the AFL
is going to fall back down, or maybe this is
just a sign of how much Americans love football, that
minor league football. There's a huge opening for it. That
there are a lot of people out there who the
Super Bowl ended and they weren't ready to turn the
page and move on to college basketball in the NBA

(07:46):
and get ready for Major League Baseball spring training and
all those things, that there is this window right now
where minor league football can rise up and join the
top of the American sporting echelon. I'll tell you this
right now. I tried to go I check all my
scores on the regular ESPN app. I tried to go
on and check on the ESPN app whether or not

(08:07):
what the scores were in this game. And they don't
even have a tab for the sport to be able
to check the scores. That's how much in its infancy
this league is. And uh, and I think it's gonna
be a heck of a story. Now next year the
XFL debuts, that's Vince McMahon's league, and then you'll have
two different competing, UH spring football leagues, and I actually

(08:31):
think that could get a little bit confusing. So you
have two different leagues, two teams in different leagues, like
all those things. But I want to know. I'm gonna
open on the phone lines right here. Did you guys
watch what did you think? Eight seven, seven, six, three,
six nine, And should the NBA be nervous about the
the fact that this random Saturday night football game nobody

(08:55):
had ever heard of before this game on Saturday debut
that it beat head to head the NBA. Should they
be nervous in the NBA about the success of this
minor league football league? And did you watch maybe some
of you went to the games. What was your vibe
on it? I'll bring in the crew. We'll talk about
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s nine, and we discuss is the NBA under siege?
Should the league be nervous over being beaten by the
Minor League Football League the A a f L. And
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I'll take your calls here in a moment eight seven
seven six three six nine, But first I want to
bring in the crew. Did any of you watch the
A F Danny G. Did you watch? No? And I'm

(11:49):
upset that I didn't. Had I known what time it started,
I would have watched. So for whatever reason, I don't
think it was advertised very well. I agree with you.
I think there were a lot of people out there
that are hearing this right now. And again that's why
I think it's so intriguing that it beat the NBA
head to head CBS versus ABC, because I think there
were a lot of people out there that didn't know

(12:09):
about it at all. Uh, Eddie Garcia, did you watch?
I did watch the first half of the San Antonio
Commander's San Diego Fleet game, which sounds funny to say,
I know all these different teams, but what did you
think of the quality of play? I thought it was
pretty mediocre. Mediocre meaning like, see, here's my thing. In general,
I have thought for a long time that if you

(12:31):
took Triple A Baseball players and you put them in
Major League Baseball uniforms, that people wouldn't be able to
tell the difference between that and Major League Baseball. In
other words, that overall quality of play would not be
significantly different enough. One of the reasons why we think
players are really good is because we're used to seeing

(12:52):
those players and we know their names. Did you know
any of the players that were on the field. I
recognized the name of the quarterback for Sandy Ago, Mike
Bergovici from state back in the day. I did not.
I had no clue what the other quarterback was for
San Antonio. Never heard of before. Yeah, all right, what
about you, tub Did you watch any of this? I
absolutely did watch my San Antonio Commanders take care of

(13:15):
business against the San Diego Fleet. Were you planning to
watch it or did you see it on social media
and just flip over and end up watching. I saw
it earlier on in the day, so then I planned
it from there. So in the morning I saw it,
and so I made some plans and arrangements to be
able to watch it. Now that game was on what Sunday?
That was Saturday night? Saturday Night, which the game that

(13:36):
was on Saturday Night that was the primetime game on
CBS was the Spurrier game, right, Orlando against whoever it was.
I believe they're playing Atlanta. Yeah, yeah, Orlando, Atlanta. I
think that was the game that I was see. I
went back and watched all the highlights and so I've
got all the games like crossed over now in my head.
What about you? Uh Samson? For Berto, I was saying,

(13:57):
did you watch any of this? I did not, Um,
But you were you aware it was going on? Yes? Yes, um,
But I work overnights on the weekend, so I was
snoozing at that point. But I think that it beat
the NBA in ratings because things that are novel just
tend to garner more eyes. I think that we'll see
the ratings go down, especially when you see a lot

(14:19):
of these like forty two six scores and then you
get like a fifteen to thirteen. They need scores four,
you need close games. But I get I also get
that the uh, the league is just getting started and
these guys are getting a field for it. So yeah,
I appreciate that. I actually think the numbers could go
up next week because I think there are a lot Yeah,
I think there are a ton of people out there

(14:39):
that are listening to us right now that had no
idea this league was starting, that had no idea was on,
and they just kind of caught it. Maybe you saw it.
It was trending on social media. Maybe you were just
flipping around and like, I know, for instance that when
I got home, So I was down in Florida this weekend.
When I got home on Sunday night, my oldest was like, oh,

(15:01):
I'd like to watch that and see, uh, you know
what this football league looks like? And something simple like
you know, I went into Comcast and I put on
you know how you can if you have Comcast, you
can hit the C button and it will show you
all the sporting events that are going on. Like it
wasn't in the sport It wasn't in that window, right,
there's no tab for the A A F so that

(15:23):
I could see if there were games going on Saturday
or Sunday. You had to know this game was going on.
You had to seek it out. And I think simple
things like that I was talking earlier about. I went
in because I was curious what the scores were and
kind of what the stats look like. And the ESPN's
app doesn't have a tab to allow me to watch
the A A F or to even see what the

(15:45):
highlights are. Those are things that need to get reconciled.
I'm curious what everybody else is saying out there. Let
me start taking some of your calls. Let me start
with a skip in l A skip, what's up? Excellent?
How are you idiot thinking? Yeah, I just have a
quid question. They should or comment they should make it
more like baseball and like have a minor league system

(16:07):
and have so young backup quarters at facts that they
draft having play in that league, because obviously the NFL
has something to do with if they're showing their yeah, look,
I think thanks for calling. I don't think that's a
bad idea where you have an affiliation with an NFL team, um,
and if you have guys who are on your practice
squad or guys who maybe didn't quite make your team,

(16:29):
or that you just want to season, almost in the
same way they did back in the day with the
I think it was the World League of American Football
right the games they played in Europe. Um. I don't
think that's a bad idea at all. I think that
could definitely make sense and it would give people rooting interest.
Um Steve in Ohio, what's up, Steve? Hell? Yes, thank

(16:50):
how are you good morning? Yeah? Doing well? What's up? Nothing, man,
I was just thinking about your take this morning on
the a F and uh. I believe that, you know,
they could take a page of the baseball playbook in
the minor league system. However, I also believe that they
would have to, you know, train those guys kind of

(17:10):
like the baseball teams do year round. You know. Those
guys are the minor leaguers are invited in and they
participate in spring training, um, you know, and the rosters
are expanded there in the beginning of spring training so
that the guys, the younger guys, can get that experience
and then they call them down to the miners. So
I guess it's kind of like a touch and go

(17:30):
feel for this new league. We'll see what happens. What
do you think thanks to the call. I think that
that there are a lot of guys who want to
continue to play in the NFL and may not be
able to put together the tape. They may not get
the opportunity. I think it's spring league makes a ton
of sense for these guys because you could play the
entire Spring league and then go into the NFL for

(17:50):
training camps. I think that makes a world of difference
for these guys to be able to put themselves on
tape against other talented, you know, just below NFL caliber athletes.
Jared in Kansas City, what's up, Jared? Hey? Now much? Yeah?
I enjoyed watching the game. Uh, we got the sane

(18:11):
Antonio San Diego game and there was some nice sits
in that game, some big plays. I liked it that. Man.
I'm an each football fan and I agree with some
of the columns. This should like make Uh these teams
in the a F like affiliated with like n team
conflict what the NWS does the Women's Professional Soccer League,

(18:35):
some of those teams are like affiliated with the MUS team,
so you're not doing it. Yeah, thanks for the call.
I think that what they're waiting to see is whether
or not the spring league works. But I think that
could make a lot of sense. Chad in Missouri, what's up, Chad?
Hey Clay, thanks for taking my call. I love your show,
listen to you on the way to the gym every morning.
Appreciate what I just wanted to comment on the NBA

(18:58):
versus A. Yeah. I just think besides that, you know,
the United States leve and football. I mean, the NBA's
become a players sports of a team sport who can
sell most shoes. Yeah, and people are just intrigued by football.
I'd like to see ESPN and y'all who get on
and open up some fantasy leagues for this. Yeah, yeah,

(19:19):
that's interesting. I mean that that's hardcore if you're getting
fantasy league football in in the mix. I also think
this is significant because the NBA. I think there are
a lot of people out there who feel like the
NBA is so bludgeoned over our heads and promoted to
such an extent because ESPN spent way too much money
for the NBA, and so they promote it like crazy.

(19:41):
I mean, you can't put on an ESPN broadcast of
anything without the NBA being promoted an insane amount. I
love to see the data, but I watched the uv
A Do game was my primary focus on on Saturday
from like whatever, it was five to seven o'clock, uh
my time, six to eight o'clock East Coast, and I

(20:03):
bet they promoted the NBA more during the Duke uv
A game, which actually got more viewership than any NBA game. Uh.
The game on Saturday night between Duke and uv A
had more viewers than the NBA game did. But I
felt like I was watching an NBA game the way
they promoted it, and by the way, Zion and Duke
were pretty phenomenal. They made outside shots, which has been

(20:25):
the one thing that people have said about Duke all season.
They have a huge Achilles heel. They can't make outside shots.
They were draining the mint and that was the difference.
I mean, they took care of uv A now swept
him on the season. Rough week for the state of Virginia.
You got your entire political process falling apart, the governor,
lieutenant governor, attorney general, and then also your team in

(20:46):
Charlottesville gets their ass kicked at home. Mike and Omaha Nebraska.
What's up, Mike? What's up? Um? I just I'll be honest.
I didn't watch any of the New Football League, but
I was reading an article in my local paper. They
have I want to say it's Salt Lake anyway, have
like four extra Braska corn Huskers on it. In the
way they were describing this league, they said there's no kickoffs.

(21:08):
If you score, you get it on the other teams
twenty five and you have to go for two after
every yep score. And I didn't watch any of that.
But did you know what I was going on prior
to the game's actually taking place. No, I did not.
I just kind of heard about it from guys at work.
I worked the night shift last night, and I didn't

(21:30):
even know anything about it until last night. Yeah, thanks
for cal. I think there are one of the fun
things about minor league football is you basically get a
laboratory and you can determine maybe there's a rule that
makes more sense, and they get to check it. I
thought there were several things that were great about about
the a f L one. I like the idea of
not kicking extra points. You have to go for two

(21:50):
after every touchdown. I think that's just more entertaining. The
extra point, even when it's moved back in the NFL
has I think, just become not as entertaining of a
of the game as going for two. So I like
the fact that you have to go for two. I
also like how open they are with the instant replay review.
You can hear the instant replay judges talking. It takes

(22:12):
it out of like this mysterious room where you're like, hey,
what's going on, puts it directly front and center for you.
I don't dislike the taking away of the of the
kickoff either. Um. I also love that they knocked thirty
minutes of commercials out of this game, so ideally the
game's last two and a half hours instead of three hours,

(22:34):
which means frankly, that the game just feels like it
moves faster. I think that's a good addition as well.
They have a lot of short commercial breaks as opposed
to the long ones that you often get used to
in the NFL. Elvin in Salt Lake City, what's up, Elvin?
How are you act? What I wanted to comment on
this was that I like that the new aspect of it. Yeah, basketball,

(23:00):
but I feel basketball lost a lot of viewers over
the years was if everybody becoming you know, pansy to
say and I mean, I'll take a little extra competition
would be better to you know, increase the competitive nature.
And you got a bunch of hungry guys out there
playing for a position on the team or you know,

(23:20):
hoping for the opportunity to move up the league. I
do believe you have problems and results. Yeah, thanks for
the call. Nick in Kansas City. What's up, Nick? Yeah,
I didn't really watch the game that I came across
a YouTube clip and I haven't seen a hit on
the quarterback BERKOVICI got destroyed, helmet came flying off. I

(23:43):
mean it was it was es air of football. There's
no doubt, no flag. And you were like, man, I'd
like to watch this just based on that hit. Oh yeah,
that hit and thank it told me? Yeah it sold you. Uh.
There are a lot of people tweeting out that head.
It was definitely on social media everywhere. A Berkovic who
went to Arizona State basically got decapitated. He was fine,

(24:07):
but the boy was a hell of a hit. JJ
and uh Indiana, what's up? JJ? Home with a cup
of coffee Listen, you guys appreciate show as always really
quick just asking on this league. Is it an affiliate
of the NFL, maybe like a feeder because he is
going close into the combine and I hear names like
Prent Richardson playing in this league, and are they probably

(24:27):
using this league more like a practice as far as
the protidures like what you guys are talking about, where
you can hear the officials going over the instant replays
and the reviews and everything like that, maybe like a
moleitude practice on to see if they can transition it
into the NFL. I think that's a great idea. Yeah,
I think the it's a good question. I think the
NFL is cautiously optimistic about springing football, but I don't

(24:51):
think they want to jump all in. I think the
NFL still misses the World League of American Football because
they developed so much young talent in those r p
in Football League member back in the day. Uh. The
league that they played in Europe was the idea being
that it was a minor league of the NFL and
that guys could go play and get seasoning and you

(25:11):
could develop some talent and figure out whether or not
these guys could grow into contributors in the NFL level.
I think there's that desire about these minor leagues in
football as well. I think we have audio for those
of you who didn't watch, of what it sounded like
while there was an instant replay review going on. Listen
to this. Tell me that it doesn't make you feel

(25:33):
like things are a little bit more open in terms
of the process. The mall hits the ground. I adn't
gonna let this stand. Terry Valenti the replay rolling on
the ground. He's using the ground to keep it in there.
The ball on the ground helps him. We're gonna let
it stand. So she's going to agree with the call
on the field no touchdown. She feels that the ground

(25:55):
helped the catch and call is down on the out sliding.
Wait a minute, one second, we've got an elbow down,
he's got it and touch Nope, we're gonna overturn this
and reverse this to a catch in the end zone
for a score by Orlando. He's got possession. He tucks
it in, his elbow hits the ball is in control

(26:17):
in his arms. We've got a score. That's pretty cool,
I thought, I mean, I think it takes it out
of the conspiracy laden Oh, somebody's trying to look out
for this team or that team. If they bring you
the actual audio of the instant replay official reviewing the
play saying what the call is as opposed to we
get silence, which is what the NFL does now, right,

(26:39):
You get silence and then until the NFL official turns
his mic on and announces what the play's outcome is
going to be, it's all just discussion from inside the
booth waiting to see what the appropriate call is. And
I think there are a lot of people out there,
regardless of of who you root for, that actually find
that to be a lot more open and uh and

(27:03):
reel than than just kind of having the voice of
God suddenly come out with the official announcing the play.
I think that was really intriguing and an interesting That's
why I said this minor league can kind of be
a laboratory for the NFL to see how some ideas
pan out. And I thought that one was pretty intriguing.
Tyler in Minnesota, what's up? Tyler? Are excellent? Good. So

(27:28):
before the game started, Bill Polly and talked a little
bit about you know what he would like his The
big picture of this to be would go to have
an NFL team say all right, here's your here's your
NFL practice squad. Now take these guys um season of
Tournament of pros. I think that that idea could work

(27:49):
um towards having affiliate teams with NFL teams. Now, as
far as the game goes and the instant replays, guys
they're talking about if this league does pick up team
and become something that you know, bridges a gap between
NFL seasons for us, I would just hate for it
to lose. You know, some of the things that do
make a difference, such as you know, tuning us into

(28:12):
instant replay officials and things like that. So bigger picture,
it would be cool if they did affiliate with NFL
in the future. So I think, yeah, I think next
year it will be a challenge to see how the
a f L, a f L. You know, they need
to knock out one of the a's first of all, um,
and the A a f L and the XFL do

(28:32):
with both playing two different leagues. I almost feel like
I was texting with with an executive at Fox and
he was like, man, maybe they should play a championship
game between the a f L and the XFL. I
feel like they should merge at some point and there
should be one spring football league the people are able
to watch Brian and Orlando. What's up, Bryan, Hey, good morning, Clay. Hey,

(28:55):
look I actually down here in Orlando. I have found
myself at warts bar on Saturday night. I tell you
how how great my life is. But anyway, I'm not
a sports bar watching this game. And I gotta admit
for the Orlando market, and maybe it's just because we're
in a football craze state. We don't have a professional
football team, you know, we got a subpar pro basketball team. Um,

(29:20):
it was really marketed well. I thought he did a
great job of the local sports station letting people know
this was happening. Uh, they were billboards for about months
two months out. Of course, we got Steeps earlier, big time.
You know, that is big too, especially in the state
of Florida, to have Steve Spurriers or coach. And I
gotta admit I love seeing him on the sideline coaching exactly,

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you know, and first playoff the box, he's throwing deep,
dirty yards down the field. So I mean, you had
about pointy something thousands at UCF Stadium to watch this.
And you know, I'll tell you obviously as I'm at
the bar sitting there by myself, and this is a
place where I normally go to watch NFL games, right,
so obviously I'm people come in, they kind of see
that there's a game when they're like, oh, yeah, I

(30:03):
forgot about this, And then you know, I'm listening to
people around me kind of explain you know, oh yeah,
this is a minor league team, you could do this,
blah blah blah um. As far as far as the action,
I swear if you didn't, if you knew the players,
you would say I didn't see any difference between maybe
a mid leveled high tier college game and what I

(30:26):
saw today or in that on on Saturday. And I
think as this grows with name recognition and some guys,
it will it will get bigger, especially in these particular markets.
And and like you said, the question is which national
media outlets give you those score updates? Because I saw

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I think maybe it was your tweet about hey, where
do you see the live scores? Or maybe it was
somebody else, and I started scouring and that's where I realized, Oh, hell,
I can't find the score updates until you go to
their actual website. That's where you found it. Yeah, that
was crazy the call. I appreciate the on the on
the field reaction down there, and one of the city's
erroal in Orlando wants to weigh in as well or all.

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What's up, Erry good Martin Clay, thanks for having me on. Yeah.
I was at that game and I'm telling you, even
though it's only twenties something thousand people, you felt like
it was a full stadium, just how excited people were
to have that type of football. And I think it's
a great idea to take away the kickoff and the
extra point one. If you're going to use it as

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a minor league. He gives you an opportunity to think
to make sure no one gets hurt over those type
of things. That's where you lose the most players on
those two types of UM plays. So I think it's
really smart for them to take those things away. The
other thing that I think is the way they did market.
It's amazing how involved they had the local community. UM.

(31:50):
They came to my job, they set up boost. Steve
came out and did UM pictures. UM. It's a really
really um great opportunity for people to maybe make it.
Even if they don't. It's giving these kids, UM or
guys a chance to make make some money. UM build
something for Orlando especially UM. I was born here and

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I'm I've been dying to have a football team that
actually makes it. And then playing at UCS Stadium really
um brings it home too. Because we're trying to build
this school. Even though we're one of the larger schools,
we just don't have the following that we need and
I think this will help. Yeah, thanks for the call.
Let me uh, We'll continue to take your calls if
you guys want to weigh in. We're talking about the

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calls eight seven, seven, six three six nine poll question
also up did you watch any of the A A
F the new minor league football games this weekend? You
can go vote in that at Clay Travis find me
on Twitter there um And I think this is actually
really intriguing. Some people said, Okay, well, I'd like to

(35:06):
have these teams connected to the NFL UH teams as
a minor league, and I can certainly see how that
could make some sense. Also a lot of questions about, well,
how does this impact college football with both the a
F and the upcoming XFL Spring football leagues. The XFL
has been pretty pretty straightforward about this. They're gonna recruit

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guys who are eighteen and nineteen years old to join
their league. And I actually think this could have a
substantial impact on college football because I think there are
a lot of guys out there who go off to
play college football that have zero interest at all and
being in college and so if you gave them a choice, hey,
you can make a hundred thousand dollars right now playing

(35:50):
minor league football at nineteen or twenty years old, or
you can go to college football. I think a lot
of them would say, hey, I'll take a hundred grand
I I really do, and um, I think if they
really got aggressive, if the XFL did, Imagine if they
started trying to recruit guys that you knew were gonna
be first round picks in the NFL but they weren't

(36:10):
eligible for a couple of years to join the NFL.
Let me give you an example. What if the XFL decided, Hey,
Trevor Lawrence, will give you a big contract, a couple
of million dollars guaranteed, and we'll let you sign any
sponsorship deals that you want to. We know you're gonna

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be the overall number one pick in the NFL draft.
Are you interested in leaving Clemson early and making a
few million dollars to play football at nineteen or twenty
years old until you're eligible to become an NFL player. Now,
maybe a guy like Trevor Lawrence doesn't take it because
he thinks that the coaching he's gonna get at Clemson

(36:52):
and being on a college campus and all those things
are good for him. But I bet there are a
lot of guys out there who would say, you know,
why wouldn't I make a few million dollars if you're
a high level, potential first round draft pick, or several
hundred thousand dollars if you're a guy who's eventually going
to go into the NFL and not have any obligation

(37:13):
to go to class at all and just be able
to focus full time on being a professional football player.
I would think there are a lot of guys that
would be interested in that. I also don't think that's
bad because a lot of you are immediately right now
saying well, I think that would be bad for the
college football game. I don't know necessarily that it would
at all, for a couple of reasons. One, most people

(37:35):
root for college football team teams because of the names
on the front of the jersey, not the names on
the back of the jersey. So you're rooting for Clemson
or Alabama or Michigan or USC or whoever the school
is because of the name on the front much more
than the name on the back. Secondly, I think this

(37:55):
really cleans up college football in terms of people saying, well,
these guys should get paid. Well, if you want to
get paid, you can go get paid. Go to the
minor league football league. You don't have to wait around
for three years to go pro. Right now, in the
NFL they require you to be three years out of
high school before you can get graduate, before you can

(38:15):
get drafted. I think it cleans up college football a
lot because suddenly people out there who were saying, no,
they should pay these players, they don't have that concern. Moreover,
you could go theoretically straight from finishing a college football
season into a training camp for either the A A
F or the XFL. So let's say you complete your

(38:39):
sophomore year and you've played two years of college football,
and you're like, you know what, I've got to sit
out another year, but I'm ready to go pro. What
if you could sign and get a couple of million
dollars in order to go straight to the A A
F to play for a year. Because think about it,
what's typically gonna make people watch this league is the

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quarterback position, just like it is in the NFL. If
you knew that you could watch a big time quarterback
prospect who was potentially going to be in the NFL
next year in the A F, would you watch? I
think there are a lot of people who would. Or
in the XFL, I think that could make a lot
of sense. So while I think some people might be

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nervous about the impact overall in college football, I think
this could be good because it would mean the people
who go to college football actually have some interest at
least a little bit in going to school and combining
that with football. Whereas, if you don't want to do
it at all, okay, go pro and don't make the
charade of college football and academics and being a student

(39:43):
athlete even exist. Go ahead and go straight pro. And
are there a lot of guys out there who'd make
a couple of hundred thousand dollars and feel like they
were getting a good deal and instead of going to school?
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(40:27):
that is the new minor league football league. If you
did not know it was going on, then well guess
what it started, and it beat the n b A
head to head. You had the Houston Rockets going up
against the Oklahoma City Thunder, James Harden against Russell Westbrook
Saturday night ABC NBA Action, and it was beaten by

(40:50):
a game. I think a lot of you had no
idea was going on that was airing on CBS. So
my question for you, uh, that's up. There is the
poll question. You can go vote in an at Clay Travis.
Did you watch any of the A A F this weekend?
Simple poll question. Nearly four thousand of you have voted
in the first fifteen minutes, and of you are saying yes,

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you did watch some of the A F. We're taking
your calls eight seven seven nine, six three six nine,
and I think it's just staggering. A wild stat I
got sent to me early on Sunday morning that the
A A F had more viewers, it's first ever game

(41:33):
on CBS, had more viewers than the NBA did, and
I think that speaks to how much people love football
in this country. I also think that the television networks
are desperate for programming now, and the XFL is debuting
next year, and I think there are a lot of
these leagues out there that or these television networks and

(41:56):
everybody else that want these leagues to be successful, because
is unlike when the XFL debuted whatever it was again
seventeen eighteen years ago. There's a desperate attempt to find
as much live sports programming as you can. And football
is so popular in America. This doesn't have to be
the NFL, this doesn't have to be college football. If

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it can be one fifth as popular as the NFL,
these leagues would be insanely valuable, one tenth as popular
as the NFL, and people would be ecstatic. I think
with the addition of a new spring football league, the
NBA is about a tenth as popular as the NFL
is and if you could replicate that in the in

(42:41):
the spring, that would be phenomenal. It would be insanely popular.
We've got a lot of people who want to weigh in.
Let me take some of your calls. Window in l
A what's up window a greening? Uh. You know, I've
watched some of it based that stumbled upon it. UH.
And the one thing I noticed this right now you
have more popular people like in the coaching ranks and

(43:05):
uh upper management right now. But I would like what
I would like to see is maybe someone like Johnny
manzil Or. I don't know how that would work. It
felt like people that are on the NFL suspended, like
Kareem Hunt, they'd be eligible to participate in playing, you know,
but said right now, most of the people that ain't
have NFL pedigree that known demodities are in the coaching

(43:29):
ranks right now. And I also know it's a good
idea to have like markets like Birmingham, maybe they could
explore you know, new markets in the NFL. And uh,
I wanted the XFL I'm going to have teams playing
in the colder climates because right now most of your
teams are in the southern sector of the country. So
thanks for taking my call. And uh until your comment

(43:52):
off there, Yeah, those I think one you're comment about
the players is very spot on. I think if you
had a guy like and I would expect for the
XFL to bring out a guy like Johnny menzel Uh
that people care about. Quarterbacks that people care about who
might not have been quite good enough to make it
in the NFL. For instance, r G three is third

(44:14):
string on the Baltimore Ravens right now. If he were
trying to remake his NFL career, could he do it
in a league like the A, A, A F or XFL.
Get back on the field with live bullets firing at
him and be able to be comfortable in the pocket
again and develop into a decent NFL quarterback. I have
no idea, and I understand it's a little bit of

(44:36):
a shot to the ego to drop down to this
level of football, But I think that if you had
the ability to get out there and and play live football,
that's how you can develop some of these young quarterbacks
who are third stringers and are not necessarily ever gonna
play in the NFL outside of the preseason. This would
seem to me to be a pretty good idea. Remember

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it was the Arena League where Kurt Warner was found. Um,
it's tough to find these quarterbacks that could play at
the NFL. This gives you an opportunity to put them
on tape, and I agree with you. I think those guys.
I think having Trent Richardson on the Birmingham team is
also a smart move because there's so much interest in
Alabama football that having a guy like him who obviously

(45:20):
did not pan out at the NFL level but can
still be a pretty good player. Uh, there's a lot
of interest in a guy like that in the state
of Alabama because of the success that he had with
the Crimson Tide. Brandon in Georgia, what's up? Brandon? Play?
Watched the Atlanta game against Orlando, and I guess in football,

(45:40):
it must be professionally broken to Atlanta is always going
to get there. Ask and uh the XFL. I really
had to run on the names because some of these
names are awful. I mean, how great would it be
to have like the Clay Travis Helicopter Packers or something
for a team's been great? Thanks for the call. Uh.

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It is funny that Atlanta stinks in the a f
L to UM or the A a F I keep
calling it the a f L, and I think that's
what a lot of you are gonna do to the
A A f UM. I I think getting big name
coaches you know the XFL announced that Bob Stoops is
gonna be their GM and uh and the head coach
of the Dallas area franchise. I think getting a guy

(46:25):
like Steve spurri or to coach Orlando is massive for
the league's legitimacy. I really do um and And I
think the caller that called in from l A and said, hey,
seems like kind of the executives are better known than
the players. I think there's some treat to that. And look,
I've been I know uh that that Eddie. I know
Eddie said, well, I thought the quality of play was

(46:46):
not that high. I think, again, my argument is so
much of that is psychological because there's a lot of
bad play in the NFL. In fact, the Super Bowl was,
if you watched it, not that well played. If you
didn't know that that was Tom Brady going up against
Jared Goff and Sean McVeigh and Bill Belichick, and that

(47:06):
had been an A a F game instead, and you
had just not known the players, I think you'd be like, well,
the quality of play was pretty crappy. I think when
you get close to a high level, I I legitimately
mean other than the celebrities who we know that have
played in the major leagues for a long time. If
you put Triple A teams in Major League Baseball uniforms,

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I don't think anybody can tell the difference in the
quality of play. I don't think people are like, oh,
that picture's curveball is a little bit less crisp because
it's Triple A. Like the average viewer can't tell the
difference between Triple A and Major league other than the
fact that the guys in the major league uniforms, you know,
because they've been there for a while, and their superstars.

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I think if you put these guys in the minor
league in the A A F into NFL uniforms, your
average person wouldn't be able to tell that much of
a difference. I really do believe that that's uh, that's
that's the factor. Remember as well, that they didn't have
any preseason and a lot of these guys didn't know
each other a month ago. I actually thought the quality
of play was higher than most people would anticipate. Frank

(48:13):
in Houston, what you got for me, Hey, Clay. Basically,
I'm telling you that there's one guy that the Orlando
team should be screening for right now that GM should
be uh making a bullet toward his house is Tim Tebow.
He signed Tim Tebow and then Orlando Stadium is gonna
be packed. And another one they could do is basically
Colin Kaepernick hire him, and Kaepernick won't. Kaepernick won't do it.

(48:37):
I agree with you on both. Look, Tebow I think
is gonna be in playing in the major leagues this year,
so he's invested for too long now in baseball. Thanks
for the call, but I have there's no doubt. Look,
if the Orlando franchise paired Steve Spurrier and Tim Tebow together,
there would be a sold out stadium. I mean, I
think that's the difference that Tim Tebow would make. And
I think a lot of you out there listening right

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now are saying, you know what, I too in to
watch Tim Tebow. We had the name Johnny Manzel mentioned earlier.
I think certainly if Colin Kaepernick were willing to try
to remake his his NFL career and he were willing
to play in the XFL or the a a F
to prove that he's an NFL caliber quarterback, that he
still has that ability, I think that that their overall

(49:20):
interest level would go up to because their quarterbacks with
known quantities and people would want to tune in and
see what happen Luke and New York. What's up? Luke
living the dream of man I was just staying was
helped with the maturity of these players. Also, what about it?
The maturity gonna help out with the maturity of the players.

(49:42):
Oh yeah, getting Look, if you thanks for the call.
I I think you get them a little bit more seasoned.
And I think there are a lot of people out
there listening to us right now that find it easier.
I really do think this is true. To root for
a guy making seventy five thousand dollars a year than
they do for a guy making seventeen million dollars year.
This is I Look, I think there's a huge number

(50:03):
of people out there that would like to play football
for a living and would do it for seventy dollars,
especially with the idea that one day you could play
in the NFL again if you did it well enough
in this league. I think there are a lot of
people out there that will put their bodies on the
line for seventy dollars. And I think there's a lot
of people out there who wou enjoy watching guys trying
to make it as opposed to already having made it.

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Charlie and Dayton, what's up, Charlie, Hey, play man. I
think that there's three reasons why this could potentially be successful.
And I think, you know, them playing in these two
regions is pretty smart. And then, uh, they didn't hype
it or over hype it, like the XFL kind of
made you feel like you're gonna watch the WWF. You know,

(50:48):
it's just what it is. And uh, you know, and
they're affiliated with the NFL. It's almost like we need
to be told that it's okay to watch, and they're
showing it on the NFL network. So I think that,
you know, for those three reasons, they might actually make it. Yeah,
I think the NFL is waiting to see whether or
not it's we're gonna work, and then if it does,

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they may well end up with a relationship where they
can assign guys to go play in this spring football league.
Guys who were on the practice squad and didn't make
it very much, Guys who are young and they think
needs seasoning. I I think this is an ideal situation
for the NFL to try to develop overall better talent

(51:30):
for the league. Bro. Let's see Eddie in Texas. What's up, Eddie?
Good morning? Yeah, what you got for me? Oh? Yeah,
I just uh, I mean, yesterday I watched it. I'm
gonna give me my my analogy about me, myself or
older person. But I love football. Is that's kind of
like my mom. I tried this vegetable. It's really good. Well,

(51:51):
it wasn't so bad. I didn't spit it out, so
you know, I watched it and I thought it was
okay because I'm gonna you know, I've been football has
been taken away to be so to speak. But I
don't know how long the season goes like the spring league.
But as as as the year goes by, uh, baseball
starts up, it gets warm, people going on vacation. Then
the big thing, uh, they're gonna make our people are

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gonna mean CBS will make some money to go get
some commercials and so forth. I think that will be
uh if it if it lasts, and uh so the
big thing is I tasted it was okay, But as
I go by here, I don't think I'm gonna stick
with it. Yeah, I think there are certain things for
the call. I think there are certain people out there
and uh that kind of feel like I'm ready for

(52:36):
football to be over and and candidly, on some level,
I kind of feel like that every year after the
Super Bowl, because from August all the way through February
is so focused on football that I'm really ready to
have a breather, Like I'm on vacation next week. I
we usually go away President's Day Week because that's the

(52:58):
first time you can kind of get away after football
season is over and before March Madness starts. It's kind
of a quiet part of the schedule. Right from an
overall sports perspective, it's fairly quiet. Even the NBA is
about to go on. Hey, you just for a week
to get ready for the for the NBA All Star Game.
And so I think there are a lot of people

(53:19):
out there who kind of take a breather right now,
and you know, you get your your you get really
excited come July and August when you're really ready for
football again. But I also think there are a lot
of people that uh that that you know, just absolutely
love football and don't want it to ever end, and
kind of want this year round football option. Randy in Indiana.

(53:41):
What's up, Randy, Hey Clay Um. I watched a little
bit of the game. I watched the San Antonio game. Uh.
I think a couple of things that I like about
it is you can follow, like if you if you're
a college football fan, you can follow some of the
players that maybe not have NFL talent to the next level.
I I watched San Antonio. I'm a Michigan State fan,

(54:02):
so I like to see Drummonds. Keep Drummond play for
San Antonio. That was kind of neat. Uh. The other
thing I would like to do to say is that
I think, uh, if you do gole in one of
these springs leagues, I think your NFL draft eligibility to
be reinstated. So it would be like a it would
add to the draft pool. Oh that's interesting. Yeah, I
think that would be a good idea. Yeah. So in

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other words, if you didn't get drafted in the in
the NFL, and then you go play in this spring
league and you were really good, then you could be
drafted in theory in uh in April, or or even
if you even if you went to the NFL. Once
you go to the spring league. You're back in the
draft pool, and you you can get redrafted, you know,

(54:44):
like maybe Logan Woodside would get redrafted or or or
something like that. Uh, just kind of add to the
draft pool of the NFL and give me, you know,
a better second chance. I appreciate the call. Let me
go to Joe in Alabama. Joe, what's up, hey, Clay,
Let's go man. Yeah, I got to watch a little

(55:06):
bit of the Birmingham game. Get interested. I'm gonna watch
it and uh, I en George the intent play. It's
an interesting cities players who didn't really pin out in
the NFL as you thought, should see them get another chance. Uh.
I also liked the idea of them getting players like Birmingham,
getting players from the colleges that they played in like Alabama,
Oliver and regional players, you know, and uh get to

(55:29):
see them play again in that area. Um, what do
you think about that? I think it makes Yeah, I
think it makes a ton of sense. I think you
you build on the college football existing fan base and
some of these different regions. I mean, I think certainly
that's the play Orlando was making by grabbing Steve Spurry
or as their head coach. They said, you know what,
there's a few coaches more well known in the state

(55:50):
of Florida right now than Steve Spurry, or can we
get him? I think certainly that's what the XFL is
thinking with Bob Stoops. Take advantage of those existing college
fan bases and build up the audience as best you can.
I think it makes a lot of sense. I think
bringing in guys who were big time college stars like
Trent Richardson putting them on the Birmingham roster. He had
a couple of touchdowns. Uh, it didn't work out for

(56:12):
him in the NFL. He's still a relatively young guy.
There are a lot of people that would be interested
in watching him play. Blake in Indiana talking a a F,
what you got for me? Hey, k A good morning.
I was calling seeing what your thoughts were. If the
a F would put out something similar to the NFL.
It's hard knocks to try to get some of the
people knowing a little bit of the names and get

(56:32):
some background to their stories and up and coming. That's
a great idea. I'd be all about it if I
were the a F. I mean, I think what they're
worried about, right now is putting on the best product
that they can, getting everything set up, making sure that
they last for longer than a year and can kind
of build on the success that they might have, you know,
and just in terms of people being aware that it exists,

(56:53):
I mean, we have a pretty big sports audience, right um,
And that's why I was kind of curious to pull
how many of you guys were watching the a F
over the weekend. Thousands of you weighing in right now,
and about sixty percent of you said you watched some
of the a F. Well, that's a lot of people,
but that means there's a huge population out there that

(57:16):
didn't even know really this was going on, and some
of you were hearing about it for the first time.
And Uh, I think again that that my audience tends
to be a football audience. If you didn't watch, why
didn't you watch? I suspect that a lot of the
not viewing was about not knowing it was on. I mean,
I really do think that factored in as well. All Right,

(57:36):
we got a funny clip for you when we come back,
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A A f But man one guy who's not going
to be playing in the A A Feast, Dwayne Haskins,
quarterback for Ohio State, probably going to be a first
round draft pick alongside I think Drew Lock and Kyler
Murray for sure, maybe Will Greer sneaks in at the

(01:00:51):
end of the first round as well, Duke's quarterback who's
coming out early. All those guys potentially top of the
level quarterbacks in this year's NFL draft at the end
of April. Look, I do fifteen hours of live radio.
I do five hours a week of live television. I
also do Periscope and Facebook and I write. There's probably

(01:01:13):
very few people who produce more original sports content, maybe
no one in the entire country right now than me.
And as part of that, I know it's tough, right,
You've got a lot of work to do. There's a
lot of things to stay on top of. But my god,
stephen A. Smith, who is holding out hope and I
hope he gets it. Look, I root for everybody to

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get as much money as they possibly can. Stephen A.
Smith is going out there right now. He wants to
make ten million dollars a year in the next contract
he gets. He We had him talking about the breakdown
when he said Hunter Henry versus uh in the in
the playoff game or no, I guess it was the
end of the regular season between the Chargers in the Chiefs.

(01:01:58):
He said Hunter Henry was gonna be a key well Hunter.
Henry was on injured reserve for almost the entirety of
the year, and now he's breaking down Dwayne Haskins at quarterback.
This happened on ESPN's airwaves on Friday. I believe if
you haven't heard this, listen to this. This is Stephen A.
Smith breaking down Dwayne Haskins. Haskins is no joke as well.

(01:02:19):
I know that he's bigger, he can make all the
requisit throws on the NFL. Lovely played for a big
time program at Ohio State. I just fond him to
be more of a runner than a thrower. I could
be wrong about that, but that's what I find. Stephen A.
Smith says that Dwayne Haskins is more of a runner
than a thrower. Let me give you a couple of stats.

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Haskins last year passed for nearly five thousand yards and
ran for a hundred and eight yards on seventy nine
attempts and average of one point four yards per rush.
I don't believe you can have the opinion that Stephen A.
Smith just had and have watched a single Ohio oh
State football game all year. Dwayne Haskins might be the

(01:03:04):
least athletic quarterback in the NFL this year. Alright, So
a couple of questions for you out there. I'm gonna
open up the phone lines, but I want to start
with the crew eight seven seven six three six nine.
Is this what do you expect from your quote unquote
sports experts. I'm not saying that every opinion I have
on this show is flawless and perfect, but I don't

(01:03:26):
think I've ever said anything as off base as what
Stephen A. Smith just said about Dayne Haskins. Again, Let's
play that one more time if we could. You just
heard me say, the guy through for nearly five thousand yards.
He isn't a mobile quarterback at all. In fact, he
can barely run. He's much more of a statue, more
of a Byron left which than he is a Michael

(01:03:50):
Vick by far right if you want to compare him
only to black quarterbacks. But I think he's actually the
least athletic quarterback of all the guys out there. I
think Will Greer is more mobile. It's not like Will
Greer is known as a great mobile guy. Drew Lock
as a lot more athletic than Dwayne Haskins. Certainly we
know Kyler Murray, who's able to run all over the
field and make plays, is a different kind of caliber

(01:04:12):
of athlete. Kyler Murray basically Doug Flutie reincarnate, reincarnated. But
but let's but let's listen to this audio clip one
more time. Play it. Paskins is no joke as well.
I know that he's bigger, he can make all the
requisite throws on the NFL, lovely played for a big
time program at Ohio State. I just wond him to

(01:04:33):
be more of a runner than a thrower. I could
be wrong about that, but that's what I find, all right.
So I do fifteen hours of radio a week, I
do five hours of television a week, plus what I
do on Periscope and Facebook, and plus what I write.
I think I probably almost in the country and more
uniquely suited to break this down than almost anybody. This
is inexcusable. There is no way that you can make

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this error if you are in Stephen A. Smith's position.
By the way, the setup was, they were debating Kyler
Murray versus Dwayne Haskins, so they know exactly what they're
gonna talk about. For people who don't do television that
everything in television is like a script, right, it's like
a play. You don't necessarily have lines, certainly, but you

(01:05:18):
know what you're gonna talk about. If you watch my
show Lock It In in the afternoons on television, we
have a script, a set up out of the a block.
We call it the first segment. We know the first
five topics, what they're gonna be, and I can call
for a graphic to support that. In television, it is
all very scripted in the way that you're gonna talk.

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Not necessarily that you're reading like and you have memorized lines,
nothing like that. But hey, we're gonna talk about you know,
Lebron James going up against uh, I don't know that,
the seventies sixers, which just happened over the weekend, Laker sixers.
We don't do that at all on radio. Some people
probably in radio, I don't know, Danny J. You've worked
with a lot of people in radio, may send out

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like a Hey, here's the twelve topics we're gonna talk about,
and here's the order we're gonna talk about him. I
never knew that. Because I want to be flexible and
I want to adjust in real time. I come in
with three or four topics that I think are potentially
interesting for a show day, and then just kind of
roll with him as the show progresses and get a
good read on it. When you guys, I want to
bring in the crew, because you guys work in this

(01:06:22):
space too. When you hear Stephen A. Smith give that opinion,
first of all, I think it's indefensible because he knew
exactly what they were gonna be talking about. Secondly, all
you have to have done is watched one half of
an Ohio State football game this year to know that
Dwayne Haskins is not a runner. Third, and I really
do believe this. I think he's saying that because Dawayne

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Haskins is a black quarterback. And I think, in all honesty,
I think if a white guy said this, there would
be an outrage in the Twitter streets everywhere else, people
be saying, Oh, this is why black quarterbacks can't get
a fair shot, even when a guy is not a
mobile quarterback at all. And in fact, like I said,
I think Dwayne Haskins probably the worst athlete of any

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of the available top first round caliber quarterbacks in terms
of his mobility and his speed and his ability to
move outside the pocket. So I think all those things
are true. If you watch Drew lockplay, even if you
watched Will Greer play, I saw more mobility out of
both those guys. Drew Locks actually a really good athlete.
Um and uh, And I think Will Greer's more mobile
in Dwayne Haskins is. We know Kyler Murray is uh,

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and we know I think it's Jones from Duke I
believe also is as well. So when you hear that,
Danny G what's your thought? Shake my head. National sports
is hard because you need to know a little bit
about a lot of things correct. But that doesn't give
him any excuse because of his paycheck. You have to
do the work. You have to at least watch as

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much sports as the casual fan. Now, I'm a huge NFL, NBA,
Major League Baseball guy. College football wasn't big on my
go to list until I started working on this program.
I knew, you know, I know Clay loves college football.
He's gonna talk about college football more than your average
radio show. So four years ago I really dug in

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and started paying attention to college football. Not being a
college football guru, I saw three Ohio State games last season.
I know that Haskins through for what almost fifty touchdowns
and is known for his right here, and when this
dude drops back, he basically stands upright. Yes, So as

(01:08:31):
a casual football fan, college football fan, I should say
I'm obsessed with NFL, but just a casual college football
fan who now pays attention for work. I know more
than Stephen A. Smith and I get paid a percentile
of his check. So yeah, it's annoying to just him either.
It's that he has an entire staff on television designed

(01:08:55):
to help him. That's how television works. I always say
there's a reason why people go television to radio to writing,
if you follow career trajectories. I know we got a
lot of young guys and girls who go into school
in the morning, you're riding with your parents and you're thinking, oh,
I'd like to make a living in sports one day.
I always say the foundation which you should pursue is writing.

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Read as much as you can, write as often as
you can, because writing is the most difficult of the
disciplines to learn. There are lots of people who have
gone writing to radio to TV. I'm not saying it's
easy to do, or that each doesn't have its own
unique difficulties and challenges. It's a lot. There's a reason
why you see relatively few guys go RAI television to

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radio to writing, because as you move down that way,
everything gets more difficult. When I write an article, it's
me sitting in front of a computer screen all by myself,
with nobody else to work with me. When I do radio,
a lot of it's me sitting down doing it almost
entirely on my own, compared to TV, where there's tons
of people working with me all the time, giving me

(01:10:00):
at sending me things saying hey, have you considered this?
TV is by far the easiest. So it's not just
as Stephen A. Smith failure here, it's that he's not
relying in any way on the massive staff. I'm sure
they have dozens of people just about who work on
first take every day. Uh, Eddie Garcia. When you hear
something like this, what do you think? You know? It

(01:10:20):
kind of reminds me of every once in a while
you'll watch the local news and they'll try and do
a sports story and they'll butcher it, and you do
you think yourself? If they don't if they can't get
this right something that I know about, all the things
that they tell me that I don't know about, how
do we know they're not getting that wrong at either point? Basically,
he has no credibility in my eyes whatsoever, none a dub.

(01:10:41):
When you hear something like this, what are your thoughts?
I mean, it's essentially the equivalent of calling Greg Oat
and a spot up shooter. I mean, if you watch
any college football at all, you're gonna see at least
one Ohio's Day game and you will see Dwayne Haskins,
and you will realize within a quarter that he is
a pocket passer and his threat to run is pretty
much non existent. In fact, you would dream, if you

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are a defensive coordinator in the Big Ten, of Dwayne
Haskins leaving the pocket and trying to run like that
would be ideal for you. Is him scrambling and trying
to convert first downs because his danger is standing in
the pocket and throwing the football. I always say, I mean,
this is just you've never watched an Ohio State game.
And by the way, think of all the massive games

(01:11:23):
that Ohio State has played, and think about all the
opinions Stephen a Smith probably had during the course of
last season on Ohio State. Did they deserve to make
the playoff? Is Urban Meyer? Uh? In trouble based on
the way that the off the field issues arose, Like
all of these things, to me, it's just evidence of
not doing your most basic homework. And look, I get it.

(01:11:44):
I feel like I'm uniquely suited to be able to
talk about this because I do fifteen hours of radio
national radio. I do five hours of television. I don't
think I've ever said anything that dumb. Not to say,
I don't say dumb stuff because, as Danny g pointed out,
it's hard to be great on every different subject, particularly
when there's so many moving parts and every day there's

(01:12:04):
different stories and everything else. But you at least have
to be somewhat well versed. This would be like me
saying about Zion Williamson, Uh, you know, I just don't
know that he has the physical skills and athleticism to
play at the next level. You'd be like, have you
ever watched did you watch him swat that three boy
shot into the third third row? I mean, it would
be evidence that I had never seen Zion Williamson play.

(01:12:27):
If I came on and I just said, you know what,
I just questioned, if he has the natural athleticism to
be able to play at a high level in the NBA.
Every single person who has watched Duke play for five
minutes would be like, would be a record scratch moment.
I can't trust that guy's opinion going forward any further. Iowa, Sam,
are you with me here? Oh? Absolutely? If I played
word association with uh Dwayne Haskins, I would say he's

(01:12:49):
a bomber. I mean he he said he broke Drew
Brees touchdown record for the Big Ten with fifty touchdown passes.
But this is kind of the problem with the debate
show guys and Stephen A. Smith is a great report
and he he knows a lot about sports. But this
happened a few months ago where he had he talked
about some guy who had been traded to another team.
He gets sort of the cliff notes things on a
lot of things, and he when you have an array

(01:13:11):
of topics, the guy will screw up on things and
show that he is massively misinformed on a topic such
as this. Yes, I don't I don't know you know,
Dwayne Haskins. I'm sure can take off here and there.
But he's a bomber, so he got this wrong. He
gets informed and notes on a lot of different things.
But he said in that clip, I could be wrong here,

(01:13:31):
and I'm like, uh, yeah, you're You're flat out wrong
and someone should have been whispering in your ear that. No,
we gotta scratch that, go to something else, all right.
I want to open up a phone lines. I want
to hear from you guys out there. I want to
ask this question too. We hear a lot about black
quarterbacks and the fact that they are stereotyped. If a
white guy had said this, would this be a major

(01:13:53):
story or do you just write it off and be like,
Stephen A. Smith is a clown and so I'm not
necessarily looking for him to be the expert here. Or
is this sort of an invidious and insidious stereotype that
Stephen A. Smith is getting away with. Oh, the black guy,
he's more of a runner than he is a passer,

(01:14:13):
even though anybody who has watched Dwayne Haskins play knows
that this guy is the most prototypical pocket passer of
anybody available in the draft this year. This is the
most statuesque stand in the pocket, make reads and throw
the ball down the field. Is it fair to point

(01:14:34):
out that Stephen A. Smith is just relying potentially on
a stereotype here, and assuming that a black guy is
athletic and mobile and you see him as more of
a runner. I'm curious maybe also from the black audience
out there, are you given Steven a pass here? Or
if a white guy said this, would you rip him?
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studios taking to your calls, reacting to Stephen A. Smith

(01:16:46):
saying that Dwayne Haskins is more of a running quarterback.
We've got a lot of loaded wines here. Let's dive through.
Also take him at the top of our three in
the event that I can't get to everybody. Mike and Modesto, California,
what's up? Many stall my sound. You're right when you
said that. That's exactly went through my head. He didn't
do his homework and he went right to his stereotype

(01:17:09):
and he didn't know what he was talking about. If
that was a white guy who said that they'll do
some loser in his mother's basement, social justice lawyer sending
out the emails to all the all the nerdy social
justice Warrior club, and the guy would have been ripped
apart that it's unacceptable that he did that. Come on, man,

(01:17:29):
do some homework. I know your specialty is MBA and
a little bit the NFL, but do not talk about
something that you do not know about, because didn't the
people know you're stupid? Thank you for the time. Play. Yeah,
all you have to do is watch one half of
an Ohio state game and you would know Dwayne haskin

(01:17:50):
one Ohio State full game. They played a lot of
big games. Just watch one. Just watch the Michigan game.
Robin Ohio. What's good morning, sir, um love your show,
you your tapes are spot on, and and you're the
type of guy would say, hey, I might be wrong.
Stephen A. If he said I might be wrong with

(01:18:11):
say but I'm not. And the sixth year old man,
it's a sixth year old man in the central Ohio.
Like the other guys said, look if you're watching the game.
Hastins does not run and the tapes are inflammatory. I
think the hyperbole of his of alf his tapes to
roll roll the audience up to get ratings or whatever.

(01:18:32):
It's not informative, it's not fact based, and that's what's
great about your show. And you have a lot of
converse or keep up the good work later. I appreciate that. Look,
there are lots of things I say that many of
you out there can hear. It'd be like, I think
Clay Travis is totally wrong about that, But I think
there are very very few things where the very basis

(01:18:53):
of my opinion you couldn't accept off the jump, and
that's one of the that's the kind of you gotta
passed the eye test. To use a cliche, Does this
argument pass the eye test? If you've watched Dwayne Haskins
play at all, the answer is no. The guy through
for almost five thousand yards over fifty touchdowns, whatever the

(01:19:16):
heck it was. He ran four around a hundred yards
and all of those were short scrambles. They weren't designed runs.
I'm gonna keep taking your calls on this will also
dive in if you're just waking up to the A
A F as well as we'll talk to our guy
Alex Marvez about all of this and more all that's
still to come in our three Hope your Monday is

(01:19:37):
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to discuss. We begin with what we started the show with.
If you're just waking up talking about what I think

(01:20:20):
is really intriguing, which is the debut of the A
A F and how popular it was it outrated the NBA.
On Saturday, you had the Houston Rockets going up against
the Oklahoma City Thunder on ABC, and you had the
Orlando Something's going up against the Atlanta Something's I don't
even remember their mascot names on CBS, and more people

(01:20:45):
watched the game of minor league football in the A
A F than watched the actual NBA regular season game.
And I asked, you, guys, did you watch it? Uh
this past weekend? That's poll question that's up. You can
go find me on Twitter at Clay Travis. Sixty percent
of you said yes you watched, of you said you

(01:21:08):
did not watch. But again, the thing that I think
is remarkable is that the A A F on CBS
beat the NBA on ABC nationwide overnight on Saturday. So
that's a pretty good debut. Now on top of that,
we talked all about it, uh, the A A F
the impact on college football. I think this could be

(01:21:29):
good for college football because I think it kills the
argument that you need to pay the players if there's
a minor league where guys can go at eighteen or
nineteen years old and make a hundred thousand dollars or
so a year. Uh. We talked about the debut of
the XFL coming up soon and the overall impact that
the XFL could have combined with the A A F.

(01:21:50):
Is there a demand for spring football or not, I've
a little I gotta be honest with you. I was
a little bit skeptical. I remain a little bit skeptical
because I tend to be a guy who when the
Super Bowl is over, I pivot my attention to college basketball.
I used to pay a lot of attention to college basketball.
I still love it, but I don't watch as much
as I used to because the NFL has kind of

(01:22:11):
soaked up a lot of the early season college basketball interest.
But as soon as the Super Bowl ends for about
six weeks, I go all in on college basketball. Right
I watched college basketball all throughout the rest of February.
Then I go college basketball throughout the month of March,
all the way up to the Championship in the first
weekend or so of April with the Final Four. And

(01:22:34):
then once the Final Four is over, I go Masters,
which is what I'm obsessed with Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday
of the Masters, and then I start to pay attention
to the NBA Playoffs. That's kind of the way that
I go in terms of the way that I spend
my time UM, but I understand there are a lot
of you out there that love football so much. Even

(01:22:55):
when the Super Bowl ends, you want more football, and
the early ratings suggest that maybe there's a lot more
of you than I would have anticipated. Now, on top
of that, worth noting that the XFL when it debuted
fift eighteen years ago, it came out and did incredible
in Week one, and then the interests continue to decline throughout,

(01:23:16):
so we will see exactly what the play is there.
So we took a lot of calls encourage you to
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gonna be joined by the way Alex Marvez as we
usually are on Monday. We'll ask him about the a
a F, whether or not he thinks this Spring Football

(01:23:36):
league has a future, what the NFL's relationship is with
the a F. It's intriguing that these games are airing
on CBS and on the NFL network. UH, the NFL, obviously,
it appears rooting for a minor league to take UH
to to say, have some success so they can test
out a lot of players that are right on the borderline.

(01:23:57):
See whether or not, they might make sense in the
years ahead professionally in football. All right, On top of that,
we're having some fun. Stephen A. Smith breaking down Dwayne Haskins,
who will probably be almost certainly a first round draft
pick out of Ohio State. He had this to say
when he was asked what his opinion was of Dwayne Haskins.

(01:24:18):
And we're gonna take your calls on this eight seven
seven six three six, nion. Here is that Stephen A commentary.
Haskins is no joke as well. I know he's bigger,
he can make all the requisite throws on the NFL.
Lovely played for a big time program at Ohio State.
I just fond him to be more of a runner
than a thrower. I could be wrong about that, but

(01:24:40):
that's what I find. More of a runner than a thrower.
That's Stephen A. Smith on Dwayne Haskins. Despite the fact
that Dwayne Haskins, through for nearly five thousand yards fifty touchdowns,
only ran for about a hundred yards. If you watched
Ohio State play at all, and I watched every pretty
much part of every Ohio State game. I watch a

(01:25:00):
lot of college football. I watch a lot of NFL
so as soon as I saw this, I said, my god,
there's no way you could watch Dwayne Haskins play and
remotely have the opinion that he's more of a runner
than a thrower. If anything, he is maybe I think
this is not even a ridiculous comment. The least athletic
available quarterback at the top end of draft boards in April, certainly,

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Kyler Murray is way more athletic and able to scramble
and make plays Doug Flutie style than Dwayne Haskins is.
Drew Lock is a really athletic player that I think
will surprise people when they actually see how good he
can be as the combine moves closer. I love Drew Lock.
I love everything about his ability to make throws. I

(01:25:45):
expect him to be a first round pick. Watched him,
obviously play a lot of ed Missouri. Was very impressed
with him, particularly his ability to throw the deep ball
as effortlessly and with such good touch as he does.
Will Greer scrambled around, made a few plays in the
in the run game. I think he's actually more athletic
than Dwayne Haskins. Curious to see where where where Greer goes,

(01:26:07):
and then I think it's Daniel Jones at Duke. I
didn't watch him play as much as the other guys,
be honest with you, but I feel like he's more
athletic than Dwayne Haskins. Is based on my limited watching
of Duke football. Even as much as I watched college football,
I did not watch a lot of Duke football. Gotta
be honest with you. So a couple of questions that
I'm asking here that I want to take your calls on.

(01:26:28):
Is this casual stereotyping by Stephen A. Smith. If a
white guy said of Dwayne Haskins, who's probably the best
pure passer in this draft, Oh, he looks to me
basically to be a mobile quarterback and athletic quarterback, more
of a runner than a passer, I think the white
guy would get crushed, and I think people would say, Oh,

(01:26:50):
this is casual stereotyping. This is casual racism. This is
somebody who hasn't even watched a game and is just
going to classify this guy because he's black, as a
running quarterback, as an athletic quarterback, even though if you
want to put him in black quarterback annals, Dwayne Haskins
is much more of a Byron Left, which than he

(01:27:11):
is a Michael Vick. In fact, the idea that Dwayne
Haskins is a mobile quarterback in any way, frankly, is laughable.
If a white guy had said this, what would the
reaction be. Shouldn't we be holding everybody to the exact
same standard? Or is it just such the case that
stephen A. Smith is such a cartoonish figure that you

(01:27:34):
don't anticipate getting real legitimate sports opinions from him, and
you just give him a pass based on that. I'm
genuinely curious by this. I want to get some reactions
eight seven, seven, six, three six nine. We start off,
who would we go to? First? Dan in Indianapolis? What's up?
Dan Clay? You're at the nail on the half stephen A.

(01:27:55):
Smith deals and I perbole because lots of people listen
to them just because they don't like him and Fox
Sports history. Is he actually filled this time slot for
about Eddie might be able to tell you anywhere from
three to four months and failed miserably. Um, he has
no I don't think he had a lot of fact checking.
He just throws his I perbly out there and expect
people to accept it. And I watched every Ohio State

(01:28:17):
game because my wife is a Buck guy, and I
would agree with everything you said about Dwayne Haskins. So
I appreciate the time. Yeah, Eddie, you've been here a while.
Did you do updates for Stephen A. Smith? Yes? I did?
How long ago was he in this? Was he in
the same time slot he was? It was gosh, it's
been several years now that he was here, but it
did not last long. How long would was he here?

(01:28:38):
Maybe four months something like that, and then he was
just like, I can't get up this early and continue
to do this. I think that was probably a big
part of it. Yeah, I I certainly understand that. Look
when my alarm goes off at four fift twenty in
the morning, I certainly part of me just thinks to myself,
what are you doing with your life? Uh? And by
the way, there's a lot of you up that early
every morning listening does too, so you certainly get that.
I'm not a morning guy. So there's video of me

(01:29:01):
or audio of me. I think somebody sent me this
recently where I was like, there's nothing I would never
do morning radio because I've done midday radio. I've done
afternoon radio, and I was like, I don't think you
could pay me enough. And here I am doing morning radio. Uh,
Robert in New York. What's up? Yeah, good morning and
a happy Monday. I'm an African American male. And I'll
say this, Listen, Mr Smith was lazy by relying on

(01:29:24):
that stereotype that most black quarterbacks are athletic and not
prototype pocket passers. He should not get a pass because
he's black. If a white reporter or journalist and made
this comment, and I'm gonna classify it as a comment
because it doesn't qualify as a scouting report, that white
reporter would be held accountable for his her comments, plain
and simple. Do you think that that factors in the stereotype?

(01:29:46):
Do you think that he was just going to the
stereotype of black quarterback when he gave that opinion, because
I think it's fair to say that he hadn't watched
him play, like right there, there's no way that if
you would watch this guy play, that could be your opinion.
So that's why I go to, Okay, well how do
you end up with that opinion? Well, you're just relying
on a stereotype based on his race. Listen, when you

(01:30:06):
are underprepared, okay, and you don't have knowledge on the
topic what we do. It's human nature. You fall back
on what you're comfortable with. And most people are comfortable
with that stereotype that African American quarterbacks are going to
be more athletics, want to get outside the pocket and
not comfortable in the pocket, being a pocket pass or so.

(01:30:28):
I think the stereotype is definitely relevant in him as
an African American now should be ashamed for relying on
that stereotype. Thanks to call appreciate it. Um. I do
think it's an interesting question because I always, maybe I'm
unique in this. I always every time I have an opinion,
I say my goal. You may not like this show,
you may not like me, but my goal is to

(01:30:50):
try and treat everyone the exact same. Right, whether you're
a guy, whether you're a girl, black, White, Asian, Hispanic, gay, straight,
whatever you are, my goal is to treat you the
exact same. Now, that's a challenge because we all have,
like in our head, preconceived biases, preconceived notions. So a
lot of times I will put through that test in

(01:31:13):
my head. Okay, am I treating this person the exact same.
I'll give you an example. Uh people got upset sometimes
with the way, and this is maybe the lawyer in
me as well. I would treat uh Brett Kavanaugh, who
just got seated on the Supreme Court, the same way
that I would treat Justin Fairfax, who is the lieutenant
governor in Virginia that a lot of people are saying

(01:31:35):
needs to resign because of sexual assault allegations. Now there's
two sexual assault allegations against him, which seemed to be
somewhat valid, But a lot of people immediately go to
race and they say, oh, you're treating these people differently
based on race. That's why I think facts matter so much.
You hear me harp on facts mattering, making sure you
get your facts right. We can disagree on our conclusions,

(01:31:57):
right you I I. You might believe the Dwayne Haskins
is gonna be a great quarterback in the NFL. I
might not. But my opinion of what Dwayne Haskins is
gonna be is gonna be predicated on the data in
front of me. The dude is a pocket passer who
through for nearly five thousand yards this year. If he
succeeds or fails in the NFL. He's going to succeed

(01:32:20):
or fail from the pocket. And to believe that he's
going to succeed or fail from outside of the pocket
because he's a black guy is to me allowing a
stereotype to govern. And I think if a white guy
had said the exact same thing as Steven A Smith,
he would get crushed. Now, the only reason it might
not get he might not get crushed is you might say, well,

(01:32:40):
Stephen A Smith is more of a cartoon figure than
that at this point in time, and that's the reason
why he gets a pass on this. And maybe that's
partly true because I do think that a lot of
what he says is so cartoonish it's hard to take
it seriously. Andrea and Vegas, what you got for me? Hey, um,
I think you're exactly right on now. Two things some

(01:33:02):
of mine. When I think about the comment, one, I
think of George bush O pause that he had back
in the day, which as to the kind of cartoonish
figure Stephen A. Smith. And I think another thing that
uh comes in my mind is Anchorman when they mess
with the teleprompt. Oh yeah, and he's just started saying
some outlandish stuff. That didn't make sent and I'm sitting

(01:33:26):
there is thinking like, there's no way he knows what's
coming out of his mouth right now. Someone must have
messed with stats or mess with his information. Yeah, that's
what's so surprising about this to me, because I think
I'm pretty well versed to have an opinion on this,
because I do five hours of television a week unlock
it in, and I do fifteen hours a week of radio.
So that means you're getting twenty hours straight of live

(01:33:48):
television or radio, not even counting what I do on
Periscope and Facebook without Kick the Show, and not even
counting what I tweet or what I write on out
kick Right, So you got you're meritated in my opinion,
and all day long, every you know, every minute of
every day, it feels like I'm giving you my opinion
to what I think. I don't understand how you couldn't
have the basic basic facts here where somebody on his

(01:34:12):
staff just says, hey, here's the data on hask On
on exactly what he did. I went Dwayne Haskins did
from the pocket this year. It's it's an amazing opinion
that's just so out of spot um and the Ron
Burgundy thing is pretty great, except nobody's putting in the
teleprompter or what stephen A should say. But when you

(01:34:32):
combine this with the with the error about how he
thought Hunter Henry was the most important person on the
field in the game between the Chargers and the Chiefs,
I don't know. I feel like one day we need
to just open up the phone lines and you guys
can call in and say, what is the dumbest thing
I've said on the radio. And I don't mean dumbest opinion,
because look, everybody's got opinions that can end up wrong.

(01:34:53):
I mean, like the thing that was just wrong, right,
there's no way to defend that position. Adam in Ohio,
it's up, Hey, good morning, out kick. Um. I actually
don't believe stephen A was being stereotypical or even racist
in this scenario because I think in context, he was
comparing Haskins and Kyler Murray, which are both black quarterbacks. Right,

(01:35:16):
But if you were comparing Haskins and Kyler Murray and
your opinion was that Haskins was more of a running
quarterback than Kyler Murray, that's insane. Even that's even more
evidence that there isn't a bit of knowledge behind this opinion,
because Kyler Murray is one of the most athletic guys
to ever play at the quarterback position. And I saw

(01:35:40):
the other day where Baker Mayfield said, Hey, I think
Kyler Murray is going to post a four to something
when he runs at the combine, which would be unheard
of for a quarterback. I think he was still very wrong.
I just don't think it would he can be labeled
as racists or stereotypical just because there were two black

(01:36:00):
quarterback I still think he was completely wrong. It makes
it more crazy that he was comparing Tyler Murray because
clearly Murray's the more athletic guy. And what if a
white what if a white prognosticator had said what if?
What if Joel Klatt had said that he thought Dwayne
Haskins was more of a runner than a passer. I

(01:36:20):
think in this scenario with Tyler and Gawayne, I don't
see it as as being racist even if it was
a white guy saying it. Yeah, I think I actually
called I think a white guy would get crushed for
that opinion. I think people are giving Stephen A. Smith
a pass because he's both black and because his opinions
are often cartoonish and outlandish. I think if Skip Bayless,

(01:36:41):
who was probably a perfect example of Stephen A. Smith,
if Skip Bayliss said this, he would get crushed to
the high heavens even more than Stephen A. Smith. And
I think people would say it was casual racism. Jeremy
and Texas, what's up? Joran? Mr Travis loves the show.
I agree with the thousand per cent. It's Uh, he
was stereotype and would have gotten smashed. Uh. Anybody in

(01:37:07):
that role would have got smashed if they're a white individual. Uh.
But what is the SBN thinking when Steve spent those
something about football? You hit the hand and you hit
the nail on the hand. When he said the hunter
Terry was gonna run all over the Patriots gower back
of football, what is the BEN thinking they don't know
preps about football. Thanks, it's more important to be entertaining
than it is to be knowledgeable. I mean that that's

(01:37:30):
the truth in life in general. It is there are
a lot of really knowledgeable people that if you put
them on television, they're gonna be boring as hell. Stephen A.
Smith is a very talented television opinionist. No doubt at
all about that. He's very good at what he does,
draws in attention because he's entertaining. It's more important to
be entertaining than it is to be knowledgeable. Now you
can say that's a criticism of American life. You can

(01:37:54):
also say it's sports is not that important, right, I
mean in the grand scheme of things, so it doesn't
really matter. It's just entertainment. But I was talking with
Todd Ferman and we started our new television show, and
I said, you know, the gambling show. I said, the
most important thing is that, you know, we want to
have our facts right and at least get our opinions

(01:38:14):
out about who we think is gonna win games. But
I said, the most important thing is that we're entertaining.
And I think we put on a really entertaining show
every day, and I think a lot of people are
entertained by Stephen A. Smith. I think the balancing act
is at what point does your lack of knowledge start
to impact your entertainment value? And I think that's an
interesting question of itself. I got a couple more calls.

(01:38:35):
I want to get to Bobby in West Virginia. What's up, hey,
morning Clay. Uh, I totally agree kind of with what
you're saying. Uh. The only thing with Stephen A is
I believe he has become so much a caricature. Yeah.
I think people don't even really take seriously what he
says anymore. And you and I both know that he
just being stuff, caring about facts while we're down, you know,

(01:38:58):
So with him, I think it's just make a splash,
make a name, get people talking food. It is interesting question.
Maybe he's just such a caricature in such a cartoonish
version of himself now that people don't even really care
whether or not he's accurate. It's wild, but it could
be accurate. Chad in Tennessee's on the out kick v
I P Line, what's up, chat, morning Clay. I think

(01:39:21):
Stephen A. Smith, obviously is he's very energrizing and uh,
I mean he's fun to listen to, hi when he
talks about basketball, and everybody will give him the props
they're always have. And when he moves out of that
and moves into football, that's when it starts to go
down the hill. And his Derrick Henry, I mean his
Hunter Henry Derrick Johnson comments just that was laughable. But

(01:39:43):
I think in this situation it was somewhat of a
little bit of play on racism and and race dating.
And when you don't do your homework, that's that's what happens.
And if it was was someone else that was actually
really serious about sports and about talking about Dwayne Haskins
and they weren't white and they said that and they

(01:40:05):
didn't do their homework, then I think that's where the
play on racistone had come, because then what it made
it look like, Well, you were perfectly trying to say
this black quarterback as a runner when they're not, versus
stephen N. Smith. Maybe just being considered stupid when it
comes to football. Yeah, I think it's a good call. Look,
I just think about last year when I said I

(01:40:27):
didn't believe in Lamar Jackson as a quarterback in the NFL.
I still don't, even though he had some good success.
I don't think you can consistently run the football white, black, brown, blue,
whatever color you are, And I don't think that Lamar
Jackson has proven that he can be a consistent pocket passer.
People lost their mind when you would share that opinion. Oh,
how dare you you're saying that because he's black. No,

(01:40:49):
I'm saying it because the same reason I didn't think.
Ultimately what was proven Tim Tebow couldn't be successful. Same
thing with r G three. You can't run the ball
consistently in the NFL and be successful. Can you do
it for a short period of time? Yeah, certainly Tim
Tebow want a playoff game. Ultimately, Tebo was not willing
or able to develop as a pocket passer to consistently
be able to win football games. I think the same

(01:41:10):
thing is gonna be true of Lamar Jackson. Now, if
Dwayne Haskins doesn't succeed, it's not gonna because he's trying
to run the ball too much, because because he's not
good enough quarterback in the pocket. A lot of those
guys too, Blaine Gabbert straight up prototypical pocket pocket passer,
has never been able to develop, not accurate enough, can't
make the throws that he needs to. What a w
by Stephen A. When we come back, we'll get Alex Marvez.

(01:41:31):
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Now back to Clint Travis and the Geico outkicked the
coverage studios. Let's bringing Alex Marvez here at Alex Marvez
on Twitter. Alex, did you watch any of the A,

(01:43:39):
A F or not? And what do you think of
the league's future. I know it's early, you've only had
a week of action, but they did beat the NBA
head to head on Saturday night. You think this is
gonna fade or you think this has some lasting power. No,
it's going to fade a bit, but you know the
question is how much does it fade? And remember playing
today's media world, you know, yeah, you need to draw
you know, eyes to television sets, right, but think about

(01:44:01):
how you have networks and online entities buying product where
it's almost like they're the ones that are taking the risk.
You know what I mean by that? I mean, for example,
you know the deal between Fox and and w w
E for SmackDown, right, I mean at this point, you
know they've already given ww E so much money it's
up Fox to market it, and that's really what a
lot of the success of these groups is going to be.

(01:44:22):
For example, the XFL, in are they going to have
a TV partner so to speak, and ESPN Plus or
something like that where they're going to put the product
on there and you know, have it. You know, they'll
get paid and then if the ratings aren't great, well
it doesn't matter because you've locked us into a three
year deal. It's up to you to market it as
a network. So I think that's something you have to
consider with this. Listen, I didn't watch the Saturday night

(01:44:43):
debut game Sunday. I did watch the Birmingham Iron against
the Memphis Grizzlies. Whatever they are, I don't know. But
the point is that, you know I watched some of it. Listen.
What it is is upper end preseason football, right, I
mean the caliber of it that that's what you got.
The players on a line, it's rosters. We're on NFL
teams at some point, so it's a step up from

(01:45:04):
college football. But it's you know, it's hard to get
into something when you know there's no history with these teams, right,
I mean, you know they're trying to form their own
history by the time even if you like a player,
they're probably gonna be gone to the NFL if there
any good But you know, they do have support. You know,
the league is quietly behind the scenes helping them out.
You know, there is a trade when it comes to video.
If NFL teams want to watch film of Alliance players,

(01:45:28):
that lead teams have access to that film. There's gonna
be some other information that's shared between this team and
for the NFL it's a great deal because they're not
paying anything, right, and they're getting someone else to develop
their talent. You know, unlike where the NBA or Major
League Baseball or the NHL have minor league systems in
place that they pay for not in the case of
the NFL. I mean, they're gonna get reaped the rewards

(01:45:48):
from this group without paying a penny at this point.
But I mean, look at staying power. I just don't
think they can draw consistently. Yeah, they don't think there's
that bigger market for spring football. But you know, listen,
good start halfway decent game and some of the rules
changes and innovations that have been put in, and the
NFL is taking a close look and they'll probably add
some of that starting. Yeah, look, I I think it's
a great laboratory for football in general. You mentioned something

(01:46:10):
interesting and we're talking with Alex Marvez. You think in
an ideal world, the NFL would like spring football to
work because it gives them effectively a minor league to
look at more players and make sure they're not overlooking
someone who might otherwise escape their attention. Right. But see,
here's where things get tricky though, with spring developmental leagues.
And there's two of them, the XFL and the Pacific

(01:46:32):
Pro League, which is has been founded by Don Yee,
who is Tom Brady's agent. These leagues don't care about
college eligibility. They're gonna go after freshman They're gonna go
after sophomores and play. This has the potential to completely
changed the landscape of college football. If you're a college
player that is a really strong freshman year and you've
got Bob Stoop So you knew it was coach and
GM at the XFL calling up and saying, hey, look,

(01:46:53):
you spend two years with me, I'll develop you. You'll
play in the NFL. You can go to college whenever
you want, but I'm going to get you ready for
the pros. Oh end, by the way, I'm going to
pay you along the way to come and play for
my team. Well, they're gonna be some kids to say, look,
why am I going to school? You know, I mean,
I need to support my family. I need to start
making cash now. And while it may be a very

(01:47:13):
shortsighted decision for many of them, they're gonna be you know,
drawn by that allure. There's no rule that's keeping you know,
the XFL and the Pacific Pro League from pursuing these players.
You know, I was talking to someone that that said, look,
the junior colleges are gonna get ransacked as far as
you know, their talent goes, and that may no longer
be a pipeline for college football teams to try to
add players. You know, the same thing with those six

(01:47:34):
year transfers, those guys that have graduated a five year
transfers that go in the portal, some of them will
just say, Hey, I'm gonna go spend a year in
the XFL or Pacific League if this thing does get
off the ground, and then I'll worry about the NFL
after that. So it does have the potential here to
change the landscape of college football especially, and the n
c Double A is gonna have to you know, if
they don't act quickly on this play, they run the

(01:47:55):
risk starting in twenty of losing some of their top
stars before their eligibility is fired. And just to make
it clear, the NFL has a rule they will not
draft players unless they are three years removed from high school.
The XFL and and the Pacific Pro League they're not
beholding to that same standard. And trust me, if they
start rating players, maybe the Alliance of American Football changes
their rules to do the same. Look, I think this

(01:48:16):
actually helps college football. And I know this might be
a little bit counterintuitive, but I think most people watch
college football and route for the teams based on the
name on the front of the jersey. So I think
the name of the back of the jersey is important,
but it's only important in the context of how it
impacts the overall league. Right, So, if you've got a
bunch of guys who are nineteen and years old and

(01:48:37):
they want to leave after their freshman year and go
pro in the XFL, then I think it just kills
the argument that college football needs to be paying the players,
and I think all the cost of attendance and everything else.
So go away because people will say, look, if you
want to go get a college degree and continue to
see whether or not the NFL might be the right
path for you, go to college. If you want to

(01:48:59):
immediately make money to play the football, then go to
the XFL. And uh, I think it actually will be
good for college because the guys who don't belong in
college classrooms will be able to go straight into the XFL. Look,
there's a lot I know everybody out there's like, oh,
college degree is important. The last number I saw, thirty
three percent of the American population had a college degree.

(01:49:22):
So it's a it's a relatively small percentage of people
who go out and get four year college degrees. Now
I want my kids to go. I think it's fantastic.
But if you're nineteen years old and college is not
for you and you're sitting around saying, why am I
have to go sit in a classroom, I'm interested in
being a pro football player. I don't have a problem
with somebody going to pro football. Uh. Now that's an

(01:49:43):
interesting angle and that will really come up next year
when the XFL launches. In the meantime, let's go back
to the actual NFL. What's happening with Nick Foles? Where
is he gonna go? What's likely to be the outcome?
I just don't see them being able to franchise tag
him and maybe how he Roseman decides this is the
way that he wants to go, and try to keep
him from signing potentially with the New York Giants or

(01:50:04):
Washington Redskins. And that's what's been this whole uh, you know,
debate going on with with Nick Foles, right has been uh,
you know, how are they going to be able to
keep him? Just in case? And this is what the
whispers are, and you know, in case one of those
two teams wants to sign Nick Foles. You know, the
Eagles don't want to see this guy playing against them.
They'd love to be able to control his fate. A
lot of the Green Bay Packers when they shipped Brett
Farve to the New York Jets rather than the Minnesota Vikings. Now,

(01:50:27):
Brett was smart enough and his agent was smart enough
to find his way to Minnesota back in two thousand
and I think two thousand and eight, two thousand nine,
and kudos to them, I think it was two thousand
nine and and able to get him finally there Uh
it was two thousand nine, but you know, so you're
looking at that, but you know, you still have to
clear cap space. And what a full signs immediately after
getting tagged with a franch you know, hitting getting hit

(01:50:48):
with the franchise tag and he ties up million dollars
of your cap. So it's messy, you know, with with
Nick Foles right now in that regard, I think ultimately
what they did and by the way, the Eagles did
give him a one million dollar or incentive bonus even
though he felt like percentage points short of getting it.
So there's a two million dollar buyback with Nick Foles.
They exercise the twenty million dollar option to keep him.

(01:51:09):
Foles exercise a two million dollar option to get out
of his contract. Now the balls in the Eagles court
when it comes to using a franchise tag on him.
One other thing about this, the franchise tag in in spirit, okay,
according to collective bargaining agreement, needs to be used to
keep a player that you want to keep on your team,
not a sign and trade type of situation. So the Eagles,
if if Foles camp can't push came to shove. They'd say, look,

(01:51:31):
every sign points to you just want to to trade
me rather than have me compete with Carson Wentz for
the starting job based upon all the comments that you
made publicly and who knows what they've said privately. So
I think the Eagles, you know, walk this road and look,
in a perfect world, they find a team that says, yeah,
we want Nick Foles. We want to do a sign
and trade. Will negotiate with Nick Foles, and we'll even
throw some extra cash maybe, you know, to try to
entice the deal to let this trade happen if you're

(01:51:54):
afraid about losing him in the free agent market. So
let's say Jackson bills that team. You'll have the negotiation
with Philadelphia. He'll say, look, I'll send you a third
round pick, let us see if we can sign it
to a big money deal, and then we'll we'll make
all this happen, and Nick Foles would have to be
on board. So long story short, I think Nick Foles
will ultimately get his freedom. The question is how much
freedom will he have to negotiate somewhere else. The last

(01:52:14):
question for you, I think we have this audio. Did
you hear Stephen A. Smith breaking down Dwayne Haskins. Oh yeah,
you're gonna play it, You're gonna pay. Yeah. I think
we've got it for people out there who want to
wake up and hear the greatest analysis ever here is
Steven A. Smith on Dwayne Haskins. Haskins is no joke
as well. I know he's bigger, he can make all
the requisite throws on the NFL. Lovely played for a

(01:52:34):
big time program at Ohio State. I just wont him
to be more of a runner than a thrower. I
could be wrong about that, but that's what I fought.
What are your thoughts on Haskins as more of a
runner than a thrower. Yeah, not so much. This is
a pocket passer who I think had what carries last
season something to that effect. It's not a fair analogy,

(01:52:55):
and I'm just trying to wonder does someone at ESPN
have it in for Steven A. Smith? I mean, what
are your pretty as you're supposed to do? You know
what I'm saying. I mean, what does Danny do for you?
Clay Travis right, he sets the table for you. Jason
Martin did the same thing. His back is still hurting
from carrying you and making sure you don't make a
jerk out of yourself on the air, right, But you
know you're supposed to set the guy up and here, okay,
what are you going to say about this guy when

(01:53:16):
you throw out ten thousand topics on a show. You
need to be educated and do your homework. No one
educated stephen A. Smith toward this. He didn't do it,
and he's getting exposed. And that's part of the problem
with the conglomeration where there's you know, proliferation rather of
sometimes of sports talk radio where the host doesn't really
have an idea of things and they just throw stuff
against the wall to try to generate conversation. Stephen A. Smith.

(01:53:38):
Now when it comes to football, back off, stick to basketball.
You're really really good at that, really good. Just just
don't be venturing into football. Let's you do your work. Indeed, indeed,
Alex Marvez, I appreciate you all the time getting up
early with us. We'll talk to you again soon. Play
to do it against soon baby. Thank you. At Alex
Marvez on Twitter where my Laker fans at all, they

(01:54:00):
were all out, they were all in my timeline. They
were crawling all over me. They came out of the refuse. Oh,
look at us. We beat the Celtics. Oh, I ain't
hearing very much right now. I thought they were gonna
win the championship. It's time for l A. Broun when
we come back the Lakers. Oh, I loved it. They
got drilled by the seventies sixers. Defend this one on

(01:54:20):
OutKick next on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back in final
segment Monday edition. Encourage you to go download the podcast
make sure you don't miss anything. Search Out out Kick
on iTunes. You can download that poll question up. Nearly
twenty one thousand of you voted during the course of
today's show. Did you watch any of the A A

(01:54:42):
F the New minor league football game this weekend? You
said yes again, Nearly twenty one thousand of you weighing in. Uh,
you know what, I have not heard a lot of
weigh again. Everybody and their mother wanted to hit me
when the Lakers and Rondo hit that jumper to win
by a point over the Celtics, and everybody was all

(01:55:03):
fired up about how good the how good the Lakers
looked with Lebron James coming back. You know what, I
haven't heard a lot of since the Lakers got their
ass kicked this weekend yesterday by the seventies sixers. I
haven't heard a lot of Laker talk. Let's cue the
music boys, It's time for l A broun A I got,

(01:55:23):
I Got, I got I got from the first show
in the country to predict hashtag future Laker. Instead of
three hours of it, Clay Travis captures all the mania
in three minutes. Lebron has picked up the circus tent
and it has followed him wherever he is gone. I
told you the win over the Celtics was fool's gold,

(01:55:43):
and I told you it was fool's gold because for
some reason, the Lakers came out and they couldn't miss
a three point shot. They shot fifty four percent from
the floor against the Celtics, the best they've ever done
in the history of their franchise in terms of makes.
I think they were like twenty too of forty one
if I'm not mistaken. Well, guess what happened going up

(01:56:05):
against the Philadelphia seventies six ers just a couple of
days later. The Lakers couldn't make anything from outside. They
shot just ten for twenty seven, which is about what
they've been shooting all season long, and as a result,
they got whipped. They lost by twenty three points. They

(01:56:26):
are now pretty substantially out of the playoffs, probably will
beat the Hawks. Defend your boys, well, last week you
predicted that they are not going to make the playoffs
at all. Are you still standing by that. That's fine,
You're just sounding like a whiner because of the money
you lost on that Celtics game. But you realize, no,
but even before money Celtics, even before I lost the

(01:56:49):
money on the Celtics, I said that the Lakers were
not going to make the playoffs. And I said that
that game was fool's gold because it was not representative overall.
And by the way, the Celtics gave up an even
bigger lead to the Clippers over the weeks after Kyrie
went down with a knee injury. They were up twenty eight.
I think in that game or whatever the heck it was,

(01:57:09):
I think the Lakers will come back and they'll be
So let's let's stop right there. You predicted also that
the Celtics were gonna win the East, So is that
changing now? Now? Kyrie is okay? I still think the
Celtics are the best team in the East. They're more
dysfunctional than the Lakers. Well, they're also better, they're more dysfunctional. No,
no one is more dysfunctional than the Lakers. You go

(01:57:30):
back and forth, NBA. I never thought that you would
pull up Ben Mallord when it came to the NBA.
But now you're turning into an official, legit Laker hater. No,
I'm not a hater. I'm just a realistic person. Lebron
almost had a triple double and didn't even play that
many minutes he was on the bench. Yeah, they lost.

(01:57:51):
I understand. Once he's engaged and he's into the game
the way he was in that Celtics game, you realize
that he can single handedly get a team into that
eight spot. Right. First of all, I hope the Lakers
make the playoff and get into that eight spot because
I want to beat him by fifty in every game
and humiliate the Lakers. Humiliated the Warriors in Oakland without Lebron. Well,

(01:58:16):
Lebron hurt his growing in that game, right, but they
finished that game by blowing out the Warriors. So if
you've already proven that they could beat the Warriors, if
you think that the Warriors in the regular season is
anything like the Warriors in the postseason. We could make
that same argument for Lebron. Lebron in the postseason is
a completely different player than he is on cruise control

(01:58:37):
in the regular when he gets to play against the
Eastern Conference teams. Laker fans just listen to me right now.
Don't get your hopes being the most getting. You got
your ass kicked by the seventies Sixers, and you should
have gotten your ass kicked by the Celtics too. Whenever
you go up against good teams, Lebron's gonna leave the

(01:58:58):
court crying. There you go. That's the fell losing money
on another NBA bet. No I I will talk. Got
some NBA bets coming up. Unlock it in later today.
Lakers Dead. I love all of you. My name is
Clay Travis. Download the podcast. We'll be live tomorrow. This
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