The Evil NCAA Empire

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Hopefully you get some good bets in, hopefully you're making
some money on that. But to me, the big story
that happened yesterday that is still kind of out there
percolating is the n C Double a's decision with Rick
Pattino and Louisville. Now, every time the n C Double
A comes out with a punishment or a suggest s
did punishment, or news breaks about a investigation, many people

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immediately rush out to condemn the newest defending school to
uh to to to throw dirt up on their grave
to argue that they're cheating, that they're the reason why
college athletics is so so, so so just not good
in a good place. From a moral perspective, there's lots
of morality connected to n C Double A investigations. And

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it goes across the entire country. Whether you're talking about Oregon, USC, Baylor,
these are schools that are either in trouble with the
n C Double A recently or soon to be in trouble. Baylor,
Penn State, u n C, Miami, Tennessee, Ole miss it
really and I'm not trying to leave teams out and

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to make people feel like I'm singling out one team
or the other. But right now Louisville has taken its
turn on the stage of condemnation and everybody raining down
criticism on Louisville. And Rick Pettino came out and he
made his statement, and here's what Rick Pettino said. You know,
the thirty five some of years, I've had a lot

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of faith in the n C Double A and have
reacted that way accordingly as a head basketball coach, in
the belief in their rules. I feel not like everybody here,
not only is it unjust, unfast, over the tops of severe.
But I've lost personally, I've lost a lot of faith
in the n C Double A and everything I've stood
full in the last thirty five years. With what they

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just did. This is over the top. It's it's to
the point where it's not even conceivable what I just read.
We have to just put all our trust and faith
that this is that the appeals will will do the
right things in arguing our case, because we presented a
very strong case. Now, if you're wondering what the details

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are here, Louisville, among other things, allegedly had and this
is pretty crazy and ridiculous, but also kind of emblematic.
I think what recruiting is like in major college athletics
to a certain extent, they use alcohol, and they use women.
Louisville may have taken it to the next degree by
bringing in strippers and prostitutes for recruits. An assistant coach
got a ten year show cause for being involved in it.

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The new rule at the n C Double A seems
to be that head coaches can't bury their head in
the sand if things improper are going on underneath them
and claim that they didn't know that's what That's what
Louisville tried to do with Rick Pettino. That's what Old
Miss right now is trying to do with you freeze.
But the n C Double A is saying no, no, no,
We're not going to allow this. And you know what,

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what's kind of fascinating about this? And again Rick Petino
gets a five game suspension from coaching in the a
c C. Louisville is gonna have to vacate wins. What
does vacate wins mean? It means that the winds that
Louisville got, potentially including their national championship, don't actually count.
But there isn't actually a winner. So that means if
you go back in the record books and look, it's

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possible that I believe it's the tooth in thirteen college
basketball season, there will not be any champion at all.
It'll just be blank. Now that's artificial. I feel like,
for instance, USC, which had to vacate its national title
because Reggie Bush's family got a better beach house. Everybody
who watched that knows that USC was actually the champ
that year, right, Everybody who watched the n C Double

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A tournament, not this year knows that Louisville was actually
the champion. Vacation of wins seems to me to be
a very artificial penalty, particularly because it leads us with
an unsatisfying result, which means that two teams played on
that given game day and the only thing that happened
was one team lost the other team didn't win. It's

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a weird kind of construct. Again, Michigan and Louisville played
for the national title that year in college basketball. Michigan
lost to Louisville, but Louisville didn't win. In theory, that's
what the final result would be. Just doesn't make a
lot of sense. But in a larger context, every time
these n C Double A nualties come down, I feel
like the n C Double A is is the entity

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that should be getting ripped. And I want you to
follow me down this pathway if you would, as to
why I think the n C Double A is the
most untrustworthy, immoral, absolute insult of an organization in all
of sports. So listen to me here, follow me along
on my logic. The n C Double A basically exists

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at its most fundamental level for what reason. Two police
men's basketball and football that's the only sport in all
of college college athletics, the only two sports that really
athletes have a value, right, Like, I understand that n
C Double A rules matter for women's women's field hockey

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and men's lacrosse, but by and large, people aren't trying
to cheat to get athletes into school. By and large
doesn't mean it doesn't happen, But by and large, people
are not cheating in sports that very few fans care about.
The dollars at stake, the tickets being sold, the amount
of prestige associated with athletics for the most part, like

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nine of it comes through men's foota ments men's football obviously,
and men's basketball. And that's it. And so when you
think about what the n C Double A does, the
n C Double a's designed goal is to make sure
that every school is treated equally under the rules. But
I want to start here, Guys, what does the n
C Double A actually change. See I'm not a rules

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guy when rules don't change substantive impacts, because then I
think what you're doing is just creating a huge bureaucracy
of people who make money that don't actually make anything better.
So let's begin here. If the n C Double A
didn't exist and there were no n C Double A
rules at all, which teams would be good in football

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and men's basketball. It would be the exact same teams
that are good now. Right, Alabama is good at football
under n C Double A rules. Alabama would be good
at football if n C Double A rules didn't exist.
The same is true of Kentucky and Louisville and u

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n C for instance. In college basketball too. We have
all these rules put into place, and what's their substantive impact?
They actually change anything? The answer is no. The n
C Double A is a huge bureaucracy that impacts and
brings to bear all these different rules, and when you
actually look at what happens, all they do is put

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a bunch of rules in place and not change anything.
And then okay, so that's what the n C Double
A exist for. What do they spend most of their
time doing when it comes to trying to catch schools cheating?
What does the n C Double A spend most of
its time doing. They investigate athletes to make sure and
coaches and boosters and schools to make sure that schools

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aren't in any way providing something that they haven't that
they have created this phrase called quote improper benefits? What
are improper benefits? It's a fascinating phrase which doesn't get
very much attention. There's a lot of time I feel
like in sports that we spend focused on morality. In

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the n C double A, by and large, we have
decided as a group something that I think is fundamentally untrue.
We have decided that something called quote unquote improper benefits
is immoral. So I want to take a step back.
I used to do this when I practice law, said okay,
why do we how do we get here? So let
me ask you a question. Have you ever heard the

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phrase improper benefits anywhere else? Well, improper benefits, I'll tell
you what they are. That's when a poor kid it
goes to college and decides to play basketball or football
and they get something other than a scholarship for playing

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basketball or football. You know what improper benefits really are?
Payment for services rendered. I think I'll be thinking, why
don't we care if a guy gets improper benefits? I
want you to clear your mind, almost like in the Matrix,

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you know when they have that scene where there were
Neo is getting the pill. I want you to clear
your mind of your thoughts before any preconceived notions you
have about this. I think what has happened is we
have been totally hoodwinked here into believing something that is
fundamentally untrue. Okay, most of you right now listening to
me probably have a negative connotation with the idea of

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a booster giving a college basketball player or a college
football player money hundred dollar handshake, a thousand dollars because
he had a good game against a rival. And I
want to ask you a question, why do we care
about that? Why do we care if a poor kid

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who plays football or men's basketball gets money because he's
good at that, on top of the scholarship that he's
receiving at a school. Why do we care? Because this
is what the n C double A spends the vast
majority of time on investigating whether guys are getting improper benefits.

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Do you know what an improper benefit Isn't there are
lots of kids on college campuses who drive around in
fancy SUVs, who have really expensive apartments. Anybody who's ever
gone to high school or college knows that there's always
really rich kids that are at school with you. You know,

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what isn't an improper benefit being born rich. If you
happen to be born rich and your parents have money,
they can buy you whatever car you want. They can
put you in whatever condo or apartment or home that
you want to live in. They can give you as

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much money to go out to the bar, or to
the movies, or to hang out with other kids on campus.
An improper benefit isn't having a rich relative or somebody
who can hook you up. So improper benefits only apply
if you come to college and you're poor already. So I

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I want to ask you a question. Let's take it
outside of athletics. If right now, right this very moment,
I told you that I had met a kid and
he was really good at chemistry. And I was a
professor at a major university in this country, and that

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kid was really good at chemistry, and he was on
scholarship because he was so smart. He was really good
at chemistry or biology, or history or English or any
other subject out there. But he didn't have very much
money because his family was poor. And as a result,
he was working so hard at school that he couldn't

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get a job because he spent so much time ensuring
that he had perfect grades, and he was the best
person in my chemistry lab. And I'm a professor. You
know what I did. I noticed that that kid didn't
have enough money to go to movies. He didn't have
enough money to ever eat outside of the school plan.
I said to him, you know what, you know what, Timmy,

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why don't you come over to my house this weekend.
I've got a big yard. I'm a professor at a college.
I've got a big yard, and I need your help
to get some branches that have fallen down cleaned up.
I need my lawn cut, were mulching in the front yard.
I got it. Just a lot of work that I
need done around the house. And so Timmy finishes all

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his work that way. He comes over on that Saturday,
he spends all day working around my house. Let's say
he's there for eight hours. Into that eight hours, I
walk out and I say, you know what, what we
didn't even talk about what the rate was that I
was gonna pay you to come work on my yard.
But you know what I'm gonna do. I'm going to
allow you to Let's say that that you should have
gotten paid twelve or thirteen dollars instead of that, here's

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four hundred bucks, gives him four hundred bucks. If you
were that chemistry kid in school, what would your reaction be?
You would think to yourself, my god, this chemistry professor
is the nicest, most helpful guy I have ever seen
in my time at this university. And if he did

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that a few times a year, and you've got several
hundred dollars, and otherwise you wouldn't have gotten because you
were good at chemistry or biology, or history or English,
and you were on a full scholarship for academics. But
this allowed you to have a little bit better life
than you otherwise would have. You can afford to take
an uber around campus. Sometimes you can go out and eat,

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you can go to a movie. You can take a
girl out to dinner and be able to try and
woo her. If eventually you graduated, got a great job,
ended up making a couple of hundred thousand dollars a
year because you busted your ass in academics, and then
one day you got married, isn't it possible that you

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would name your kid maybe after that professor at school
who hooked you up. I use all that for this reason.
I say all that for this reason, For this example,
if you make it athletics and you make it a
poor kid who is a college basketball or college football player,

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the n C Double A would investigate you, call that
an improper benefit, and you would be ineligible. How crazy
is it that we have created this organization, the n
C Double A, whose entire purpose is to ensure that
poor kids with talent who show up on college campuses

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and end up really good at basketball or football, that
they don't make a dollar off their talent outside of
their scholarship. The n C Double A exist, guys, to
make sure that poor kids remain poor. It's the very
anti example of everything else that exists in American life.

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The goal of American life is to find a talent
and be able to sell your labor for as much
as you possibly can. That's the essence of capitalism. The
n C Double A is the most anti markets, most
anti capitalistic organization in all of sports, and yet somehow
we continue to allow it to exist, and we continue

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to give it the moral authority to tell us whether
or not schools are behaving correctly. I'm gonna open up
the phone line because I want to hear your arguments
to the other side, if you have them, or you
can agree with me eight seven seven six three six nine.
But as I react to this Louisville situation and all
the others that are going on right now, whether it's

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Louisville or Old Miss or anywhere else, by and large,
every n C Double A story is about an investigation
into improper benefits. And I gotta tell you something. I
think the n C Double A is the most immoral, untrustworthy,
indefensible organization in all of sports. And I think the
idea that a poor kid has to stay poor in

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order to remain eligible to play college athletics is the
biggest lie we have been sold in sports in my lifetime.
Let me ask you this final question as we go
to break here, and then we're going to have all
of your reactions, and I'll continue to unpack this idea.
Why do we care if a poor kid gets money

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because he's good at football or basketball from a booster?
Why should we care at all? And why should we
have an investigative arm in sports that's designed to make
sure that poor kids remain poor. I'm Clay Traviss is

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I think it's important. Sometimes I think it's important to
just stop your thoughts and preconceive notions on a subject
and ask yourself why you have those opinions. I do
this all the time, like I rigorously challenge whatever opinion
that I have, And a lot of times, if you've

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been a sports fan for a long time, for instance,
you will sometimes fundamentally start to believe things that don't
really make sense. And I think the n C Double
A is a totally sham organization, a multibillion dollar organization
that basically exists to ensure that poor people remain poor.

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That's what it does. The enforcement arm of the n
C Double A, which is where most rule violations come from,
is all in existence to ensure that poor people remain poor.
That if you have a talent in men's basketball or football,
which is where the vast majority of interest lies in

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college athletics that those guys who come to campus with
no money, they got a lot of time, no dad
or at least no father figure who's active. They've got
lots of times moms or grandmas who have raised them.
They have no money, never seen two dollars in their life,

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and they happen to have a really good talent in
basketball or football. We gotta make sure that those guys
come on campus with no money and leave campus with
no money. And we got an entire organization inside a
multibillion dollar entity that's built to ensure that those guys

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have no money when they leave campus. I mean, if
you really think about it, that's unbelievable. We got guys
checking bank accounts, we got giants, guys checking car titles,
apartment leases. How crazy is that? See I used to
be of the opinion, oh yeah, we gotta keep this

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from happening. And then a few years ago I had
this epiphany. I was like, wait a minute, why do
I care whether a dude with talent gets money for
his talent. Why do I care if a booster wants
to give a few thousand dollars to a guy because
he's happy that that guy helped his school beat a rival.

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We don't have an even playing field. I don't buy
into the idea that the n C Double A changes
anything at all. Are there a lot of guys out
there right now deciding between going to Alabama or Troy
to play football? Are there a lot of people out
there deciding whether to go to USC or San Jose State?

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Are there a ton of people like I can't decide, man,
I don't know whether to go to Appalachian State or Tennessee.
I don't know should I go to f I U
or Florida. That doesn't happen. We don't have an equal
playing field now. The schools with the best facilities and
the most fan bases and the best chance to win

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a national championship get the best players now. So why
do we care if those players get money from boosters? Again,
I want you to free your mind here and think
about it. The n C Double A is a fundamentally
anti capitalistic organization. Everybody else out there right now, Your

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goal as you drive into work today, as you wake
up to start your Friday, is to sell your labor
for as much as you possibly can. Why shouldn't men's
basketball and football players be able to at least make
a little bit of money in addition to their scholarships
while they're on campus. Why should we have organizations designed

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to maintain the fact that poor people remain poor? Again,
what I'm telling you all this, If your family happens
to be wealthy, you can come on campus and drive
any kind of car, stay in any kind of residents,
and people just say, well, he's rich. He happened to
have rich parents, rich family. He can drive that escalade.

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But if you're poor, you can't drive a nice car
and take advantage of the fact that you have talents
while you're in college. Does that make any sense. You
can't stay in a nice apartment, You can't have a
lot of walking around money on campus. If we find
out that happened, oh that's a violation, we'll put your
school on probation. Find me anywhere else where a police

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force effectively exists to make sure that poor people stay poor,
despite the fact they have the talents to not be poor.
I'm gonna take your calls as soon as we finish
trending here. Let's find out what's trending now, get your
little US open update. But I want you guys to
use your brains here think in a different way than
you might have before. Why does the n C double
A exist? What does it change? And do you not

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agree with me when you really break it down, that
the n C double A is an immoral institution that
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to your calls, talking about the reaction to the Louisville
n C double A penalties and why I believe that
in a broader sense, the n C double A is

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the most illegitimate, indefensible absolutely without without any kind of
scintilla of evidence that they should exist at all, organization
in all of sports. Jordan and Kentucky, what's up? Jordan's
without much done? I'm excellent. Uh. I haven't agree with
you on this, and I have to say, you know,

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even the Double A could even be fair about it.
They could, you know, they just continue like the Double
A video games there a few years ago. Why not
bring back the theory, give the players the royalty right
and pay them a little bit of money. But I mean,
it help kids who don't come from a fan's background,
and it's just a better overall situation for kids. I
appreciate the call. I think about how crazy that is.

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The n C Double A had to shut down n
C Double A Video Games over improper benefits. Like I see,
I'm not even getting into whether or not university should
pay players themselves. I'm saying, why do you care if
guys who have talents get money outside of their scholarship? Like,
I'm not even putting the onus on the school to say, Okay,

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we're gonna pay everybody. And the challenge there is because
the Title nine you'd have to pay every athlete, and
that's really the way that this system is set up.
But I'm just saying straightforwardly why do we have an
n C double a enforcement arm. I mean, just like,
why does the phrase improper benefits exist? Like that is

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the most made up phrase I've ever heard of. What
is an improper benefit? That's payment for services rendered? That's
the Like, capitalism is all about paying proper benefit. Right, Like,
you're going to work today. What if at the end
of the day somebody came in and they said, hey,
you gotta pay check today. Yeah, and you're like, well, yeah,

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I did a really good job. You know, I worked.
I built this car today, or you know, I worked
in the doctor's office or whatever you do for a living.
Like if I finished the radio show today and somebody
shows up and they say, hey, Clay Travis, just checking in,
did you get paid for your show today? Be like, yeah,
I get paid every day I do the show. That's
why I do it. Okay, Well, we're doing an investigation

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here and we think that you have gotten an improper
benefit and that you were paid for the talent that
you have. Everybody out there Rufe would be like, what
are you talking about? I did to lead this roof.
It's like, well, I understand you laid this roof, but
we think you should only make this amount of money
for laying the roof. Anything that you got over and
above that amount that you got for fixing the roof

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was an improper benefit. You'd be like, the hell it was?
This is called the markets based system. I sell my
talents for as much as I can. That's the very
foundation of capitalism. If they're like, no, no, no, no no, sorry,
we have a value that we assess for roof repair
and you have exceeded it. Therefore you've got an improper benefit.

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We're gonna have to take your license away to work
as a roofer, you'd be like, what kind of communistic
totalitarian government am I living in here? That's what the
n C double A does to athletes Mike and Texas.
What's up Mike? This? Uh, this whole situation is based
upon I mean the last quality even said that the

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needs needs to be fair about what they're doing with
video games and things. Who is he to telling anyone
what's fair. The problem with with the m C l
A and how you seem to wonder how we allowed
to exist to go on as it is an immoral
entity telling other people what they can earn and what
they can earn, and actually that they can't learn anything
by the labors. I mean, they tell kids that they
can't go straight in the straight straight as the NBA

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or straight in the NFL right out of high school
because they know what's best for that. Yeah, well, letbe
let me stop you there, Let me stop you there.
That actually isn't the n C double as fault. I
agree with you. I think at eighteen years old, you
should be if you let guys walk around with guns
in Afghanistan, I should you should be fine with like
letting somebody carry a basketball and decide whether or not
they're going to work in the NBA or the NFL
anywhere else. But those are NFL and NBA age restrictions.

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The one thing the n C double A is not
responsible for. But I do agree with you is age
restrictions in college athletics. Thanks for the call, But I
just I'm asking you to open your mind and say,
how do we decide that this made sense? Like how
do we give a power to all these people. I'm
not even getting into the racial element of it, although
you know you know that a lot of times I
say playing the race art is immoral. Here, it's kind

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of fascinating, right because by and by and large, the
people who play men's basketball and college football on our
campuses are black. So and by and large, the people
who tend to not have the most money on college
campuses are athletes right on average, since many times, if
you look at the socioeconomics of who goes to college,

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it tends to be kids who have more wealthy backgrounds.
That's just the truth. So really, we have created this
enforcement arm which is by and large defined by ensuring
that poor black kids maintain the fact that they are
poor black kids despite the fact that they have really
good talents potentially in basketball and football. That it gets

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even more indefensible, right, Like, we have this organization, this
n C Double A organization, which is the multibillion dollar organization,
and they are in charge of spending all of their
time when it comes to improper benefits ensuring that poor black, white,
brown kids, whatever color you want to say, they are
end up remaining poor despite the fact that they have

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basketball and football talents. John and Cincinnati, what's up, John, guys? Um, Yeah,
I just wanted to say, I'm so glad you brought
this up, because it is insane that the n C
Double A and these colleges. Basically, you know, one of
the biggest arguments people have is, well, the basketball football

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programs have to support the scholarships and such for the
other sports programs that don't, uh, you know, helped the
school you know, build any revenue. And it's kind of crazy.
It's like, why is that those kids problems that they
have to support the rest of the athletic programs. Yeah,

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I mean that's a fascinating question. That's where most of
the money goes. But I'm not even concerned about that
because I'm just saying, why do we care if Joe Smith,
who is a huge booster of and I'm just tossing
out of school Maryland basketball all and I think I'm
thinking of Maryland basketball because I said Joe Smith is
an example, wants to give a kid a thousand dollars
because he just helped them win a big rivalry game.

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Like why do why would? Why should that make that
player ineligible? Why do we care if he gets money
for his talents outside of his scholarship? Crazier is Okay,
if the school wants to keep that money in the
n c DA blows to keep their money, then why
do they care if somebody else. Yeah, that's my point. Yeah, yeah,

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that's my point. Like if the school itself the thanks
for the call. If the school itself doesn't want to
pay any additional funds and they say it's too expensive,
like Title nine is complicated, we'll have to give money
to everybody. I actually understand that argument. I think it
makes some sense. But what I'm saying is, why is
there an enforcement arm to ensure that a kid doesn't
get a free meal from a booster? I think about

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how crazy that is. We have a multibillion dollar organization
designed to investigate whether or not a kid's getting a
re meal. When I wrote my book about the University
of Tennessee, my second book called on Rocky Top, I
took a kid out for a meal and I'm not
gonna tell you who the kid was. We went to

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freaking Logan's roadhouse, all right. I picked up his twenty
five meal, and at the end of the meal, he
was like, Hey, you know, I probably should be talking
about my book. He said, Man, I probably shouldn't have
done this. He said, please don't tell the enforcement arm
at my school that you picked up my twenty five
dollar meal. So we could talk about your book and like,

(31:35):
I could tell you, you you know, stuff about the about
playing football here, because he said, I'm supposed to report
every meal I get, and this is a violation and
I might not be eligible for the next game. That's
a real life conversation that we had. I said, I'm
not gonna tell on you because I picked up the book.
I'm an adult and you're talking to me, and I

(31:57):
took you out for a twenty meal at Logan's Roadhouse.
He was concerned that would make him ineligible. Tell me
how that makes sense. Can anybody remotely defend the idea
that as an adult who was having a conversation with
this guy, And I said, you know what, instead of

(32:18):
just meeting on some random campus and sitting down in
some corner and talking to me, let's just go get
some food and drink and we'll talk. And he ran
up a twenty dollar bill, twenty five dollar bill, whatever
it was at Logan's Roadhouse, big chain steakhouse restaurant in
the South. And he was like, please don't tell anybody
that we did this, because it's an n C double

(32:39):
a violation. I could get in trouble. Just say that
I paid for my half, even though he didn't have
the money to pay for his half. How crazy is
that we have an organization designed to like spy on
whether or not I'm paying for some dudes twenty five
dollar meal while he talks to me. It's one of
the craziest things that I've ever seen in sports, and
yet we allow it to exist and sept it. I

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want you to open up your minds eight seven seven
three six nine your reactions. Am I crazy? Or have
I blown your mind by pointing out how insane the
n C Double A actually is. This is out kicked
the coverage on Fox Sports Radio Live from the Geico
Fox Sports Radio Studios. Boys and girls, I'm murdering the

(33:22):
n C Double A. You can disagree with me. I
always say, you don't have to agree with me. You
can be wrong if you disagree with my perspective that
the n C Double A is the most immoral, indefensible
organization in all of sports. You can call it and
defend the n C Double as enforcement arm eight seven
seven six three six nine. We've got loaded lines. As

(33:43):
you hear people drop off, you can obviously go ahead
and make your calls in to make your points. We're
reacting to the Louisville News and also the News. I
don't know if you've seen this about the poor guy
at Central Florida who has been told the kicker there
that he can't make money off of YouTube videos because
it violates n C double A rules, Which is real life,

(34:06):
honestly unbelievable situation that we're facing right now. Who do
you think we should go to, Jason Martin Scott? Oh yeah,
let's go to Scott in Texas. Scott in Texas, Scott, Hey, Clay,
how are you doing good? Listen? This, this whole premise
is wrong. Okay, the enforcement arm is obviously a joke.

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But here's the thing. Colleges make billions of dollars by
selling this lie that this is about student athletes and
higher learning. It these kids are just like your kids.
They just happen to be good football players. There's nothing
wrong with a poor kid making money for his talent.
But don't pretend that this is about education and that

(34:51):
there's no benefit to going to college for these kids
getting these scholarships that people whose kids aren't football stars
are paying tends. Sometimes, Scott, let me ask you a question,
how much money do you make a year. Uh dollars
a year? All right, you make three hundred dollars a year.
What if I came to you and I said, you
know what, I think you should only be able to

(35:12):
make a hundred. No, but here's the difference. I work
and get paid for my talents, and I don't have
any problem with those kids getting paid for their talents.
But you don't get to pretend that it's about just
them going to college and just call it what it is.
It's professional sports. So let it be professional sports. Let

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those kids earn every potential dollar they can. I'm all
for that. But the whole point about the n C
two A is they're selling a lie. Well, yeah, like
we don't. We don't disagree, Like thanks for the call.
We don't disagree on a fundamental level. Like, I believe
several things. One, I'm a markets guy, right, I am

(35:55):
a believer in that you should be able to sell
your labor for as much as you possibly can. I
want every single one of you driving into work this
morning to make as much money as you possibly can.
That's the entire foundation of capitalism. We believe as a country,
and we've been proven right that the best way to
grow a country and create a vibrant economy. Is to

(36:16):
let every individual go out and try to make as
much money as they possibly can as the market will bear.
The n C double A is a fundamentally anti capitalistic organization. Now,
I believe that eighteen years old, if you want to
be like Lebron James or Tracy McGrady or Kobe Bryant,
if you're talented enough, you should be able to go
straight to the NBA. I think the same thing is true.
If you're talented enough, you should be able to go

(36:37):
to the NFL at any point in time. But in
the meantime, if you are on a college campus, and
let's be honest, colleges have become, for better or worse,
default minor leagues for the NFL and for the NBA.
If you're on a college campus, why do we care
whether you make something in excess beyond your scholarship. I'm mean,

(37:00):
I mean, in just general, why do we care? Just
like I don't care how much money you have right
now for what you do for a living. I want
you to make as much money as you possibly can. Todd,
let's go to Todd and let's see where it's Todd.
Todd is in Kansas City, Kansas City, what's up, Todd, Hey, Clay.

(37:21):
I was just gonna make the point that I do
agree that these players should make some money, and I'm
just trying to wander besides greed, what the n c
A is trying to protect. Maybe if all these eighteen
twenty two year olds have walk around money, if they'll
get in more bar fights or you know, prostitutes or

(37:43):
drugs or you know. Yeah, I mean, do you like
people who have money get in more trouble? Probably? Right,
that's probably true. You know, when you're young, the more
money you have, the more trouble you get into. Maybe
in general reflections on like who's going to get arrested,
the more money you have, the less likely you are
to get arrested. And the more money you have if

(38:05):
you are arrested, the less likely you are to be
convicted because you can get the best attorney possible. But
that's that's not the n c double as job. You see,
like you're you're having to justify it in some way
of saying, well, if they have more money on college campus,
they're gonna get in more trouble. Like I don't know
if that's true. I tend to think the opposite would
be true. I think that people who have more money
tend to do less robbery, Like I don't remember the

(38:27):
last time now they've been robb in a different way
like Bernie made Off. Definitely robbed a lot more money
than your average dude would who went into a bank
with a gun. But by and large, the dude who
makes a million dollars a year is not running around
holding people up. We're stealing cars because money ain't his issue.
Eight seven seven nine nine six three six nine Today's show.

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I'm trying to point out to you, make you use
your brain. Why is the n C double A an
existing organization? How can you defend it? What moral reason
does it have to exist exist? On Clay Travis's outkicked
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(39:11):
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you're just waking up across the country. I'm reacting to
the n C double A announcing penalties against Louisville. Also
this ridiculous story about a Central Florida football player who's
not allowed to make money off of his YouTube channel.
I finally had it up to here with the n

(39:32):
C Double A, and I'm asking an interesting question. Why
do we give them the power to do what they do?
Why do we give them the power to investigate whether
a player got a free meal from a booster? Why
do we care whether guys get quote unquote improper benefits,
which is the vast majority of what the n C
Double A does investigate improper benefits? What does that phrase

(39:56):
even mean? An improper benefit? Gonna bringing Jason Martin and
the crew out there. You guys have heard me for
the first hour going on about this. Is there anything
that comes to mind? And then also you can react
eight seven seven nine, I'll get to your calls. Jason,
are you with me here? Like? Why do we care
whether or not it's primarily men's basketball players and football

(40:19):
players where the interest is whether they get benefits outside
of their scholarship. Why does the n C Double A
enforcement arm even exist? Well, to answer your question, we
don't care. I don't care, you don't care. I'm pretty
sure the guys in l A probably agree with us
on this one as well. It's just it's insidious. The

(40:41):
n C double A exists to be insidious. There is
no reason for the ARM to exist. Yes, there needs
to be some kind of regulation probably to what's going on,
but this just seems punitive and completely overdone and it
always has been. And the video game comments that were
made by a couple of callers that led us off
in the last hour, we're accurate. Ed O'Bannon sued e

(41:03):
A sued the n C double An said, look, you
can't continue to do this, and it's it's just absurd.
It's like, if you can get money to sign autographs,
who does that hurt? If you have become so valuable
that someone wants to pay you to sign something, knock
yourself out like that should affect nobody. It's like, if
if you're that good, how crazy that is? How crazy

(41:26):
that is? I suppost basic level. The n C double
A investigated Johnny Manziel, Todd Gurley, all these different people
to see whether or not they sold their autographs. How
in the world can we consider a guy selling his
own autograph to be an improper benefit? That is mind

(41:46):
blowing to me, right, I mean and I've evolved on
this issue over the years. Like initially I was like,
oh yeah, you know, even back when cam Newton was
getting paid, I was like, well, you can't do this,
like and then you know, as I've thought more and
more about it, you know, over the last seven years,
I've always believed that changing your mind is not a
sign that somehow you're being a hypocrite. Right. It's like

(42:09):
we do this all the time in politics. We say, well,
you know, fifteen years ago you said this, and why
can't you just say, you know what, fifteen years ago
I thought differently than I do today. This is an
example of something most of the things that I believe
I've stayed pretty consistent on. This is an example on
something that I've evolved on because I felt like my
mind just opened up and I said, wait a minute,
this is morally indefensible. Just like whatever you do for

(42:33):
your job today, I'm not going to show up at
the end of it and say, I know you made
two hundred dollars today at your job, but in my opinion,
you only deserved seventy five dollars, and everything over that
seventy five dollars is an improper benefit. And you're like,
wait a minute, that doesn't make sense. Well, yeah, that
doesn't make sense. That's the very anti capitalism. It's the

(42:56):
exact opposite of everything this country was founded on. That's
what the n C double A does. If you're Todd Gurley,
former running back the University of Georgia, now running back
at the L. A. Rams. Before he was playing for
the L. A. Rams, he got popped in I think
miss four games because he signed autographs and sold his
own jersey and pants. I think it was to it
a collector, and I'm thinking to myself, wait a minute,

(43:19):
the dude can't sell his own jersey. He's ineligible to
play football because he sold his own jersey. And past that,
you go to the bookstore and you can buy as
many Todd Gurley jerseys as you want, and Todd Gurley
can't see a cent for that. Yeah, you know, I
don't even get that fired up about the jersey thing
because I can see again, I'm not saying that that

(43:40):
the university shouldn't be able to sell those jerseys. And
the university makes a very small amount off those jerseys,
if they got any of the money that makes off
the Todd Gurley Jerseys. I'm just saying that on your
own individual basis, Like you cannot sign an autograph and
get paid for it if some at the market is
willing to pay you for your autograph. I'm a markets guy.

(44:04):
If you can sell something and it isn't directly illegal, right,
I mean, I doesn't say necessarily you should be able
to sell heroin just because there's a market for it,
But by and large, if there is a legal market
for something, you should be able to sell it. And
if somebody's excited because you ran for two yards in
a football game and they want to take you out
for a great steak dinner and you want to go,

(44:28):
why should you not be able to go? Remember the
Rick Majari's story about how he was gonna put a
kid on a flight because his mother had died and
was going to go out to a funeral. So the
kid couldn't afford to get home. So Rick Majari's like
put him on a flight and I believe bought him
breakfast in the airport. Improper benefits suspension. Yeah, it's just

(44:50):
I can't believe that this even exists. Let's go to
Mike and Modesto. Mike, what's up say, there's no doubt.
It's ridiculous. You know, you don't think I can heard
out to be as a dish. The NFL has a
salary cap to save the owners from themselves. The schools
have the n c A to save them from themselves.

(45:11):
Now with that being said, um, you can't have schools
getting players because they're paying for the highest bidder now
instead of the Ah, why is that? Yeah? Why why
in general? Like why couldn't a school pay for that?
Like why do we care? We care because it would

(45:33):
affect what's important Competitive balance, Clay, There is no competitive balance.
Competitive balance is a sham. College athletics sham is all
the side money, Clay, Like you you playing for that
kids dinner. That's the letter of the law. It's ridiculous.
The spirit of the law is competitive balanced, the biggest

(45:56):
schools paying top dollars for the top athletes. But yeah,
I appreciate the call, but I don't see why that's
a problem. Like I understand that there that that that's
the concerned people are like, oh, well, maybe it starts
with a twenty five dollar meal at wrote Logan's roadhouse,
but then the next thing, you know, it leads to
an escalade, and I'm like, okay, like why do you care?

(46:22):
Why do you care if a poor kid has a
nice car because he's good at football while he's in college.
Why do you care if a poor kid has a
nicer apartment than he otherwise would because he's good at football?
Like this, it's funny, Like if you apply this anywhere else,
you know, like I was a law school grad and

(46:43):
you'll be like, well, my first salary was like seventy
dollars when I graduated from law school. You're like, well,
imagine if you said this about lawyers, you know, like
or any other business. You're like, well, you know how
this starts. Young lawyer makes seventy thousand dollars a year,
you know what he's gonna want Eventually, eventually he's gonna
want to make a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,
and then eventually he's gonna want to make three hundred

(47:05):
thousand dollars a year, and then eventually he's gonna want
to make five hundred thousand dollars a year. And I'm like, yeah, yeah,
nobody says that about any other profession, right, It's really funny,
Like it's a slippery slope then right, Yeah, you want
to slide as far down the down the slope as
you damn well can and make as much money as possible.
Nobody's like, oh, you know that guy Howard Stern, Well,

(47:25):
once you make one million dollars, next thing, you know,
you're gonna want to make a hundred million dollars one day. Well,
if you can, shouldn't you. You know It's like, well,
if you get a twenty five dollar free state dinner,
next thing, you know, a booster might decide to give
you a car, Okay, and you know what happens. If
you get a car, then one day you might want
a nicer apartment. Yeah. Like, that's the very essence of capitalism.

(47:50):
If you can get something and you can work harder
and make more money, then you do it. You know
that Bill Gates. You know how Facebook is that Mark Zuckerberg.
One day they decide they're gonna do a small website,
and then the next thing, you know, they want everybody
in America and the world to be on Facebook so

(48:10):
they can make more money. Yeah, that's the point of capitalism.
I want to sell to as many people as possible
the labor that I got because the more people who
buy what I do, the more people are the money
I make. That's why this country works, and it works
just about everywhere except for college athletics. Brian and Tennessee. Brian,

(48:33):
what's up, um squad? I agree with most of the
things you're saying. One thing that I don't agree with
is teams that are good now would be good then.
So you take teams like an Alabama I mean, let's
be honest, Tuscluosa not a fun place to be me.
Take a team like Harvard, who is currently terrible. And
what if they went to one of these offensive coordinators,

(48:55):
these great recruiters, and said, you now have our forty
billion dollar endowment, fun make us good. I think you
would be seeing what you see now with professional sports
with Bamber Cuban and Paul Allen. Smart, wealthy people. I
want to be good at something they're not good at.
So they would open up the checkbooks and you would
have a little shift in who's that might happen now.

(49:17):
The difference would be I will say, this is where
the one area where I think the n C double
A needs to exist. And I appreciate the call, Brian.
I will say The one area where I think the
n C double A needs to exist is in setting
forth regulations about what kind of test scores and academic
background you need to have in order to be able
to get into a college, because I do think there

(49:38):
need even though a lot of it is sham. Even
though a lot of education at big time football schools
is a sham, big time basketball schools obviously, even in
great state institutions like U n C. If it's going
on at U n see that they have these entire
sham athletic departments, it's going on everywhere where college athletics
is great. Because U n C is a fantastic state institution,

(50:00):
it's happening there, and it's probably happening at U v
A in Michigan and all the other top U C
l A, top state institutions where you're you've got kids
going to class who are athletes that are getting grades
that they otherwise wouldn't get. Are you telling me it's
not happening at Old Miss in Texas Tech and all
these other schools that are nowhere near the quality state

(50:21):
institution wise of those um so, I think the easy
answer is Harvard would not admit the vast majority of
guys and girls who get into play athletics other places,
they just wouldn't have the academic background to be able
to even function in a Harvard classroom. That's the difference.
Matt in South Carolina? What's up? Yeah, hey, Clay, Um,

(50:42):
I agree with your intentions completely. I'd like to see
these kids get some money, but I don't think there's
any way you could do it through the boosters. And
the reason why it is is these boosters are their businessmen,
ruthless businessmen, and they're gonna be great to these kids.
I mean, of these kids money. And then let's say
a kid blows out his knee a sophomore year, they're

(51:05):
going to take that money back. That becaushi summer job
is going to be gone with these um but that's life, right, Yeah,
but that's after four years. They're not going to be
out of poverty. They're going to be going back into
poverty because that happens now kind of done. Yeah, I
appreciate the call, but that happens now. Like the moment

(51:27):
that you don't have a market value to somebody else,
you make less money. Right, Let's talk about the doctors
who are going into work right now in the morning
listening to us. If they stopped doing surgery, that orthopedic
surgeon stopped replacing knees or shoulders or fixing whatever he's
fixing this morning, then he wouldn't make money anymore. If

(51:50):
you don't have the marketable talent that leads to you
getting paid, then you're not gonna get paid anymore anywhere.
That's how markets work. So the fact that a booster
wants to give a guy money when he rushes for
two yards in a big game, and doesn't necessarily give
a guy money when he tears his a c l
and isn't playing anymore. That's kind of life, right, I mean,

(52:13):
it's brutal that you can be like well, I mean
that's one of the things you have to learn in college.
People like you sometimes not because of you, They like
you because of what you can give them. The reason
why the booster is probably giving money to the kid
who's on the football team is not necessarily because he
thinks he's a great kid. It's because he has a

(52:34):
talent that that booster wants to reward. And that happens
in life all the time. Right. If Johnny Depp decided
you know tomorrow I'm not gonna play Captain Jack Sparrow anymore.
I bet Disney wouldn't give him a private jet to
use to go over to China, right. I mean companies

(52:54):
and people give talented people money because they make them
more money, or they give them something that they enjoy.
Guy who owns a car dealership and gives a quarterback
access to a car is doing that because he's a
good quarterback, not just because he happens to think, Oh,
I'm just gonna pick this random kid on a college

(53:15):
campus and give him access to my cars. That happens everywhere. Yeah,
it sucks. If your talent doesn't continue, you don't get paid.
If Lebron James miraculously suddenly lost every bit of his
basketball ability, he wouldn't make thirty five million dollars in
two thousand and eighteen. He's got one more year guaranteed

(53:36):
on his contract. If he tore both a c L
s fifteen times between now and then, he's not gonna
get paid. Take a couple more of your calls if
you want to. Next segment, bottom of the hour, we're
gonna talk to my guy, Alex Marvez. You see what
ESPN did with Colin Kaepernick's gonna blow your mind. I'll
tell you about it next. Tupac, according to my guy
Danny g would have been forty six years old today,

(53:57):
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some of you hunter in Texas, we're talking about um.

(54:19):
The n C double A Louisville News comes out. They're
punishing Rick Petino in that program. It's the latest in
a long line of punishments that has rained down on
a variety of different institutions, most of these in some
way connected to the phrase improper benefits. Whether it's Oregon,
usc UH. You know you've got all different sorts of

(54:39):
schools all over the country, U n C H. You've
got Old miss You've got Louisville, you've got Tennessee. I
could probably name just about every school in the country, honestly,
certainly in every geographic region. In every conference, the n
C Double A has bigfooted its way in over this
phrase improper benefits. And what I'm arguing is the very

(55:00):
phrase itself is fundamentally un American because what it's about
is ensuring that people with talent continue to not make
money off of that talent. Your calls, you've been loaded
throughout the show so far. If you haven't heard the show,
and encourage you to go back and listen to the podcast.
I'm just asking you to open your mind. My contention
is the n C Double A is the most immoral arm,

(55:21):
most immoral body, most in or immoral aspect of athletics
in America today, and yet very few people will actually
rip this organization. I have murdered it today. Hunter in Texas,
what's up? Hunter? Yeah? So, first off, I'm totally against
uh the n C double and not paying people, but

(55:44):
coming out from a different thought, I think that these
players are free labor and UH if they if the
n C Double A did pay the players, then they
would uh have to consider them employees and thus play
pay like workers compensation. Appreciate I appreciate the call, Hunder.

(56:06):
I'm not even really getting into whether the school should
be paying the players. Again, that's a different debate, and
I think the complicating factor in whether school should pay
the players more is under Title nine they would have
to pay all scholarship athletes the same amount. So if
you think that a football player is entitled to twenty

(56:27):
thousand dollars more a year in compensation, then you would
also have to think that a women's diver is entitled
to twenty thousand more a year in compensation. And as
a markets guy, that to me seems to be fundamentally broken. Right,
markets would dictate that a football player is worth a
lot more than a women's diver or a men's track

(56:49):
and field athlete, But that's not the way that you
be able to be treated under Title nine. What I
am arguing is something much more interesting here. I think,
why does the n C double A have an enforcement
arm to ensure that guys aren't getting free meals or
free drinks, or free cars or free apartments. Why does
the n C double A care? My argument is that

(57:11):
the n C double A is a big, multibillion dollar
bureaucracy which is built on a fundamental why, and that
why is that they should be able to limit the
compensation that someone receives for their talent in football or
men's basketball outside of what the school itself is doing.
I think, fine, you want to say to school, all

(57:32):
the school is gonna give you is a free ride.
But why is the inc doable A out there investigating
whether or not Johnny Manzel got money for signing his
autograph to he won the Heisman Trophy. Why do they
care if Todd Gurley sent sells his uniform. Why when
I was writing my second book on Rocky Top, did

(57:53):
I go out to dinner with a football player at
the University of Tennessee and pick up his meal and
him sell? Tell me, just please don't tell anybody an
enforcement in our athletic department that you picked up this meal,
because if so, I could be ineligible for a football game. Like,

(58:14):
why does that exist? What are we looking for here?
What are we doing Dell and Nashville? What's up? Del
Hey Clay? The best way that I can look at
it with this question, why the n c A does
what it does? Um, I put them in the place
of the government. Well, it sounded like what the government
does with either like disability or welfare. Uh, if you

(58:37):
have the ability to work, or we catch you working
or making money somewhere else, we're gonna pull this back.
And it seems to me that similar to what the
n c a A is doing. We're gonna help the
people that are you know, disenfranchised or whatever. Like government,
we're gonna give this money here, but if we find
out that you're making money elsewhere, we're gonna pull it back.

(58:58):
That's kind of the only way I've tried to step
into their shoes and see it. Yeah, and that's not
a bad analogy. The difference would be that's taxpayer dollars.
And I appreciate the call. The n c double A
is not a governmental entity. So yeah, like tax fraud,
the reason why the government wants to make sure that
tax fraud doesn't exist is because effectively, if tax fraud

(59:19):
does exist, the people who are being taken advantage of
are you and me and everybody else out there who's
paying our fair share of taxes. But here, that's not
a market based economy. In other words, that's the government
coming in and saying we're trying to provide a safety net.
That's not similar necessarily to the situation here, because we

(59:39):
have a pseudo market at play and the n C
Double A is coming in and saying, hey, you can't
get money for your talent, Like, I can't think of
any other aspect of American life. I would be curious
if anybody else can come up with a real analogy
that makes sense, where somebody comes in and says, yes,
you may entitled to this money based on your market

(01:00:03):
based talent, but we're saying no, you can't get it right, like,
because that's basically what the n C Double A is saying.
You're we're okay with you getting a scholarship, We're okay
with you getting on the meal plan at school to
play football and men's basketball. But the moment that somebody
gives you something in excess of that, you get access
to a car, Somebody gives you an apartment at a

(01:00:25):
cheaper rate, Like somebody gives you a ticket that allows
you to eat every meal at a steakhouse if you
want to, then that's a violation and you're not allowed
to play football or basketball anymore. Like why do they
draw the line where they do? It's really hard to defend,
and I haven't even heard ever a good argument for

(01:00:45):
why they do that. Mitchell and Tennessee what's up, Mitchell.
I think you answered your question the title nine saying
if a book gets a football player two y. I
agree with you. They're wrong, but they're gonna say what
we of the football plant way to give perfect divers? Yeah,

(01:01:08):
you know, I mean that. That's that Again. I appreciate
the call, but that's outside of the bounds of Title nine.
Title nine would apply for people who don't know. Title
nine requires even handed treatment in uh in in athletics,
and otherwise based on sex, so men and women have
to be treated evenly. So Title nine requires that if
you're gonna give x number of, say a hundred and

(01:01:30):
fifty scholarships to men to play sports, you have to
give roughly a hundred and fifty scholarships to women. The
way that Title nine format actually works is the percentage
of scholarships has to be pegged to the overall percentage
of enrollment. So if of your university is female, then
fifty of all athletic scholarships have to go to women. Right,

(01:01:51):
it makes sense. But Title nine wouldn't be impacted here
because I and by the way, if there are people
out there who are boosters for women, women's athletics and
want to give a free meal or an extra hundred
dollars to somebody because they were really good at women's athletics.
That's fine too. That's a market based response. Patricia and Nashville, Patricia,
what's up, um Clay? Um? I was listening to your

(01:02:15):
shell here and I want to tell you, Um, can
you think about it like this? Um? I think the
reason is this why it would be mass corruption. Honey.
It would be like a mob, but undercover mob that
would that would own a player, honey, and that player
would be owned by that booster, and that would be

(01:02:37):
undertable money going on that no one would ever see
or know about. What does this honesty in the game money?
But what does that matter? I mean, if if you're
saying that that would lead to somebody shaving points or
somebody you know, changing the outcome of a game, then
I can see your argument, right. If your argument is, oh,
if you allow these booster relationships and eventually the booster

(01:02:59):
is gonna say and oh, by the way, you gotta
throw this football game or throw this basketball game. If
you want to continue to get these payments, that's different.
That's a crime. But if it's just and I don't
necessarily buy into that because most boosters, I think, are
so huge, such huge fans of their school that the
last thing they would want to do. Who's your favorite team, Patricia?
I like the Titans, all right, So that's a proteins.

(01:03:22):
That's a little bit different. Who's your favorite college team? Um?
I like Tennessee Tennessee, all right, University of Tennessee. Can
you imagine a situation where University of Tennessee booster, somebody
who bleeds orange, loves Tennessee more than anything, is suddenly
going to go to a player and say, hey, by
the way, I don't want you to beat Florida or
Alabama this year. We gotta make sure that we lose

(01:03:43):
by forty points so I can make money. Yeah, but
see what it is, Clay, Um, we're talking about honesty, okay, honey, Um,
And once you cross that line, it's crossed and it's going,
what what's this? But what's Patricia? What's dishonest about taking
money because you're good at something? Yeah? But but see

(01:04:06):
we're talking about college sports. I mean there should be
a quality, you know, like you said on that nine,
you know, protection of women being able to get so
many players just like the men get so many players.
But we're talking about listen, listen, um, we're talking about
big boosters out here. Okay. People that's got u these

(01:04:26):
uh these egos honey, okay, and they're going to they're
going to own a player. Okay, that that person is
going to be owned. Okay. What did you do for
a living, Patricia, I was in communications? I retired. Okay.
So when you worked in communications, were you owned by
the billionaire who probably owned the company that you worked for? Uh? No,

(01:04:49):
I mean he just gave you money, probably because of
your labor, right, and then you have the opportunity at
any point in time to stop taking that money and
go somewhere else and make more money in theory, if
you wanted to do it right, and that thanks for
the call. That's what makes America great, right straightforwardly, because
every single person out there right now, on your way
to work, you have the right to sell your labor

(01:05:12):
for as much money as you possibly can to the
highest possible bidder. And as a result, we're all incentivized
to work hard and make decisions that, in theory, maximize
our earnings. And if enough of us do that, then
the country grows economically, and we unlock all of the
economic potential that exists in this country, which leads to

(01:05:33):
more opportunity, more money, and everything else. Everybody lives happily
ever after. Now, I believe in markets. I believe in
paying people what they're worth. We don't do it in
college athletics. Moreover, we actually do the exact opposite. We
ensure that the people in college athletics who are the
most talented never get paid for their talents. Does that

(01:05:57):
make any sense at all? I want you to go
back and listen to the podcast. I think if you
listen to this the first hour and a half of
this show, and we're about to go to Alex Morvez
and talk about the ridiculousness of the ESPN has gotten
into with Colin Kaepernick. But if you go back and
listen to this first hour and a half of this show,
I think it's very possible that you will change your
mind about the n C double A ever being involved
in anything at all. I think that's how good the

(01:06:18):
argument has been. Go listen to the podcast, go back
and check it out. But for now, let's find out
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we just talked with actually had I think in her
brain what a lot of you have already thought that
there's an idea that getting paid for players is moral,

(01:07:01):
and if you really examine it, I think you start
to recognize that it doesn't make sense. But we all
have preconceived notions that we sometimes buy into. I bring
in Alex Marvez. Alex, we've been talking a lot about
the n C double A. You're a Florida Gator, which is,
you know, a tough break for you, but you can't
always be choosing where you went to school, necessarily if
you're from there, and everything else. Would you and I've

(01:07:22):
been making this argument. Uh, you guys have had a
lot of great players over the years as Florida Gators.
Do you find it ridiculous that if Tim Tebow or
Chris Leak or whoever your quarterback was at the time,
had a good game, that it would make him ineligible
if he went out to a state dinner with a
booster after that game. It's you know, the whole system
screwed up, right, And you know, the the pushback on

(01:07:43):
it's amazing though, right, the refusal by the n C
double A to change and to keep this thing intact.
And unless it's gonna be and and Claire, you would
know this from your legal background. I think unless there
is a demand legally like a lawyer's, you know, our
court decision to force the n C double A into
something different, we're not going to see change. It's how said,
the government wants no part of this, no legislation and
or you know, really nor should they write. I mean,

(01:08:05):
we have enough things to worry about the them getting
involved in this, but it's just to me, it's absolutely absurd,
you know, But again too, you also wonder you know, well,
first I can't blame many kids if they get tempted
by the money. I would take the money if I
I mean this, and that's not because that's because I'm
a capitalist, right Like, if somebody wants to pay me
more money to do my job, then I will take

(01:08:26):
more money to do my job. My contracts up next
year with the radio station. Right if somebody else offers
me three times as much money to do this show,
then guess what. I'm going to go to the place
that offers me three times as much money to do
this show. And by the way, I would expect my
boss is to do the same thing when their contracts
are up, right, Like, if you're good at what you
do and somebody wants to compensate you much more for

(01:08:47):
it than it's our duty in some respects. I think
as capitalists in America to make as much money as
we can. Like I want everybody out there listening right
now to make as much money as they can off
their labor to That's why this country works at its
most fundamental level. Yeah, and you know, I think play listen.
I understand guys. You know, the the argument is, oh,
they're getting a free education, and they're getting you know,
a free tutoring program for three years to prepare them

(01:09:08):
for their professional jobs. But the whole system. I mean, look,
we can even take this one step further. Think about
the NFL draft play, the fact that it's the teams
to choose the players, not the players to choose the teams. Yeah,
how many you know what I mean? Like, how many jobs?
At least I can at least I can make an
argument that that's because competitive balance ultimately benefits the lead
as a whole, because we're seeing that with the NBA.
What happens if that doesn't arise? But I always think

(01:09:30):
that's interesting. People say, well, they're getting a free education
or whatever. But I say, okay. And that's why we
had a caller earlier today. I said, you know, what
do you make? I said three hundred thousand dollars? I said, okay.
What if I came in and I said, okay, I
understand that you could make three hundred thousand dollars, but
I'm telling you that you're only allowed to make a hundred.
People would say, well, that doesn't make sense, that that's awful,
that's totalitarian. That's what the n c double A does.
They're saying like you're allowed to get an education, and

(01:09:52):
you're allowed to get the free meal plan at the school,
and you're allowed to get tutoring, but you're not allowed
to get two thousand dollars from a booster or a
cheaper car than you otherwise would because of your talents. Like,
it's just a it's a it's a strange line to
draw in a capitalistic society. Now, the Pacific Pro League
launches next year. Claim we'll see if that's fascinating. Yeah,

(01:10:12):
And for those who aren't familiar with this, this is
this has some some interesting backing behind it. Tom Brady's agent,
Don Yee is involved, Mike Shanahan's on the board of directors.
Ed McCaffrey involved in this as well. And it's gonna
be a four team league in California that features young
men who simply aren't I'm gonna play in the college
football system. That isn't to say they are going to
attend college. You know, there are some things in place

(01:10:33):
for these guys to be able to attend school. But
the bottom line is this is going to be for
those those people that's college isn't necessarily for or they think,
you know what, I'm gonna play for a year in
this league. I'm so good coming out of high school
that the NFL is going to pay attention to me.
Is the next next herschel Walker per Se or the
next you know, jenev and Clowney again who could have
turned pro early or Leonard for Nette. Guys like this,

(01:10:55):
it makes you wonder if this this league can gain
some traction and get a couple players who are really,
really good football players who decide that they're going to
take their skills there to learn, if this starts to
become something that can really pick up some steam here
Clay and basically, you know, something that challenges the n
C Double A. Just like with the NFL, there's nothing
to challenge the n C Double A, especially the court

(01:11:17):
ruling made about a decade ago. Maurice Claretta and Mike
Williams tried to challenge it. They were shot down. I
have to stay three years removed from high school to
enter the NFL. Unless something changes, this system is going
to remain in place. In Clay, I just can't see
it changing. Alex, can you come back with the next
segment I've run up against it. I want to ask
you about Colin Kaepernick and a couple other big NFL stories.

(01:11:38):
We'll have more with Alex Marvez at Alex Marvez on Twitter,
flip side, what's going on with Kaepernick and what's going
on with the NFL. This is I'll kicked the coverage
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(01:12:02):
You were listening to out kick the coverage. We are
joined now by Alex Marvez. He's at Alex Marvez on Twitter.
Let's dive into the NFL. Alex, I've teased it a
couple of different times ESPN yesterday promoting the idea that
the reason Colin Kaepernick is not signed is because, wait
for it, he's black. Is that fair or foul? That's
so foul, it's not even funny. We know why Colin

(01:12:24):
Kaepernick isn't side by an NFL t We understand this right.
It's because of what he did during the National Anthem
period of the fallout from it that and he's not
that great a quarterback that you would that you are
willing to bring someone into your organization as a backup
who is going to draw this much attention for this? Hey,
Colin Kaepernick controls his fate in a lot of ways.
Right wrote about it last week at Sporting news dot com.

(01:12:46):
Play where is he? Where's Colin? Anyone and want to
see him outside of Twitter? Is he saying anything to anyone?
Is he clearing the air or his representatives doing anything
to try to help him in the court of public opinion,
which does matter in this case. Let's forget they've got
to convince a fan base if he comes in that
this isn't a bad guy, that this isn't a guy
who's you know, talking about anti American ideals and things

(01:13:08):
like this. It's an important thing. Yet nobody on Colin
Kaepernick side is budging. So if he wants to be
obstinate and he wants to remain silent, you know what,
I think the phone from NFL teams, those calls will
remain the same. Andrew Luck, there seems to be some
concern about his recovery from his shoulder surgery. How concerned
should Colts fans be. How big of a deal do

(01:13:29):
you think this story is going to be as the
season inches closer and closer? You know. Bill Polian is
one of my co hosts on Sirius XM, and Bill
remains close to the Colts organization. He said, it's not
only it isn't even a tempest in a teapot. He says,
a tempest in a tea cup. Said that he thinks
that Andrew Luck will be just fine. But I'll tell
you what if you have a quarterback, I mean who
I mean? He was at a youth camp last week

(01:13:49):
and the closest thing you came to throwing the football
I saw it on video was handing it off to
a little kid to run down the field. That was
about it. So yeah, I mean, should you be concerned? Sure?
I mean, this is gonna be pitch count types at suation.
Maybe he's not ready for week one. Maybe it's the
Scott Tolziene experience coming to a theater near you. But
you know, for the long haul though, this is what
you have to do with it with Andrew Lucky us
your franchise quarterback. By the way, something else that's out there,

(01:14:11):
Jim er say last week at the town hall, telling
the audience that that Howard mud the former offensive line coach,
said don't worry, the line is fixed. Howard didn't exactly
say that. He said that you've got the makings to
fixing this offensive line. And this was a year ago
the Pro Football Hall of Fame induction to Marvin Harrison.
So this line not fixed yet, should be fixed. Has

(01:14:34):
to be fixed if you're gonna keep Andrew Luck standing
up right, Richard Sherman. The Seahawks drama that has been
going on. How concerned should Hawks fans be out there
about what's been going on with Pete Carroll? Richard Sherman,
The articles about locker room division, even the decision to
bring in Colin Kaepernick and then say he's too good
to sign as a backup. Seems like there's a lot

(01:14:55):
of drama this offseason for the Seahawks. Should they be concerned? Yeah?
I mean pet said, well he's too black, and then
we yeah, right then, of course he has been a
run with that for months in a row. Absolutely, It's
amazing when you have a lot of programming hours to fill,
what can happen? But I will tell you this, with
the Seahawks and in some ways, Look, this article was
a great thing to happen to them. You know why.
It's it's one of those come to Jesus moments, you

(01:15:17):
know what I mean. You've got now as a team
to figure out where you're at, what you are, air
out all of your grievances. It will be a festivous miracle,
right And you know you could talk about those things
and get it on the table, and maybe that's what's
taking place behind closed doors with the Seahawks. Listen, I
don't buy Richard Sherman and all his spiel and the
spin that he puts on. I never asked for a
trade this and that. Look, Richard Sherman, a lot of

(01:15:38):
times it's whatever is convenient for him to say is true.
He'll say it. Okay. I don't put a lot of
credibility in him, but I do believe that the guy
is going to help the Seahawks. I think he's there
for at least one more season before the Seahawks look
to truly move on. There's no accident that they drafted
four defensive backs in the middle rounds of this year's
draft in a very deep cornerback class. To try to
maybe look for a potential replacement for him. Now that

(01:15:58):
Colin Kaepernick thing gets interesting. What if Heaven forbid and
Michael Bennett said it, We're not gonna win if Russell
Wilson isn't there. So let's say, you know, just play
this out and hopefully it doesn't happen. But if Russell
Wilson suffers a serious injury early on or at any
point of the season, and you got Austin Davis and
Austin Davis plays like an Austin Davis, Well, I mean,
what are team? What is the team gonna say? Then? Hey, Pete,

(01:16:19):
you didn't bring in Colin Kaepernick, a guy that a
lot of guys in the locker room wanted you to
bring in, but it said you went with Austin Davis.
What are you doing here? That's how you lose a
team really quickly. That's the risk of Pete Carroll takes
for heading down the Colin Kaepernick road to begin with
and then signing Austin Davis. Last question for you, Philip
Rivers says he's planning as they move. I think their

(01:16:39):
Chargers just finished their last practice in San Diego, ripped
to the San Diego Chargers there now in l A.
How many more years does Philip Rivers have? Probably three?
I would think, you know, Clu, he's one of those guys,
you know, because of the way he throws very precise passer.
The ball just seems to get there. It looks terrible
coming out of his ads, right because his delivery is
so funky. But he just he delivers a beauty for football.

(01:17:00):
But to me, once he starts to lose a little
bit of velocity or his legs start to go, and
that's the big thing with old Court, right, it's just
boom that cliff and he's gonna fall off of it. Hey, listen,
the Chargers had a chance to draft a quarterback of
the future this year using quotations. They passed on it.
So I think they're in for a penny in for
a pound with Philip Rivers. One thing real quicker on
the Chargers, by the way, if you noticed last weekend
they signed Melvin Ingram to a big time contract. They

(01:17:22):
got Mike Williams, our first round pick signed right away.
I think that the c H and Chargers no longer
standing for cheap. They actually have some improved cash flow.
Now moving to Los Angeles. They're willing to spend money. Actually,
been a pretty good offseason for them. Wouldn't be surprised
if this is a team that ends up making at
least a little bit of a playoff run. Have a
video up on it later today. Sporting News dot Com.
Outstanding stuff is always my man, Alex Marvez, thank you

(01:17:44):
for joining us. We will talk to you next week. Thanks.
Final hour of the show coming up bottom of the
hour will be I h Chi Lay Travis. Get ready
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the zone here, final hour of the show. Fourteen hours down,
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I think we'll make you a lot smarter. In the
way we talked about paying players um and in particular
the n C Double A and their investigations into quote

(01:18:49):
unquote improper benefits and why I believe the n C
Double A is the most immoral, indefensible without merit, entity
and all of sports today. It was a full on
murder of the n C Double A. And honestly, I
don't think we got a single call or really a
single tweet with people who are able to make a
coherent argument on why my argument that the n C

(01:19:12):
Double A should not be in the business of investigating
whether players get improper benefits off the field? Why does
it matter? You know, at its most basic level, it's
anti capitalistic. Yes they can get scholarships, Yes they can
get whatever else is associated with those scholarships. But why
do we care if boosters give guys cars? Why do

(01:19:32):
we care if boosters give guys additional money based on
how they played on the field. That's capitalism. These guys
have value in football and men's basketball. I'd encourage you
to go listen back to it. Really really strong arguments.
I think good calls. Great first couple of hours of
the show. As we speak now US Open has teed off.
We're off and running four day two. Will Ricky Fowler,

(01:19:54):
who came in as a twenty two to one underdog,
be able to maintain the run that he is on
right now? Lots of interesting questions about that Ricky Fowler,
if you are curious, what could happen going into the weekend.
Ricky Fowler got off early yesterday today. He will not
tee off until one thirty six pm Central Time. That's
two thirty six Eastern, That is eleven thirty six am

(01:20:18):
on the West coast. So we will see what transpires
from Ricky Fowler and whether or not he can make
that run and continue his pursuit of his first major championship.
Yesterday also was the Warrior Parade Golden State Warriors celebrating
their four game to one win over the Cleveland Cavaliers.

(01:20:40):
Lots of entertaining audio, lots of entertaining social media back
and forth between Draymond Green and Lebron James. Here was
Draymond Green during the course of that celebration, explaining why
he was wearing a shirt that said, Quickie, we're gonna

(01:21:02):
talk about super teage this superteam that I've never played
on a super team. You're starting the super team, Bro,
I'm showing the super team. I don't know what you
just did, but you did the boys. We appreciate you

(01:21:24):
showing in the super team. I never played on a
super team. That's crazy. That's Draymond Green making fun of
Lebron James has claims that he's never joined a super team,
and also thanking Kevin Durant for coming and joining the
Warriors and putting their dynasty to a different level. We
talked about this the the other day, but this is

(01:21:45):
amazing staff that I don't think has gotten enough attention.
In the history of American pro sports, there has never
been a bigger favorite in the preseason to win a
title than the Golden State Warriors are right now for eighteen.
There's a lot of money at stake around a seventy
chance that the Warrior fans out there are gonna be

(01:22:07):
able to have the same celebration next year, and it'll
be their third celebration in four years because they are
a bigger favorite in the preseason than any Major League Baseball, NBA, NHL,
or NFL team has ever been. Think about how wild
that is. How big of a favorite they are right
now is unlike anything we have ever seen before. Not

(01:22:29):
to mention that Draymond Green and the crew are getting
a little bit of revenge for the three one series
lead that they gave up. They closed it out for
one and Draymond Green was in his uh Quickie T
shirt and he was asked why he was wearing it
during the parade, and this was his response. I want
you to break down the T shirt. Well, the Cube

(01:22:54):
drove him out here, quick Quickie. Who is responsible for
the teacher? I mean I was responsible for the idea.
Nick was responsible for the production. So you know we
actually got a mate in Cleveland. How about that? Wow? Well,
you know, just unless you all know before you start,

(01:23:15):
Draymond Lebron very cool, like family. This is all in
fun and good Jess. Absolutely, you know I can't forget
the Utsman Warriors shot last year from Lebron and you
know the three one tombstone cookies and all of that.
So I was waiting on this moment, but definitely my guy, Um,
you know that's family. That is Draymond Green and Lebron

(01:23:36):
James fired back quickie. That's what she said on Instagram,
and then Draymond Green returned fired. Lebron James finally shaved
his head and Draymond Green said that this is what
the Warriors have done. They drove in Bald, so lots
of entertainment there on social media, a lot of a
discussion and buzz that popped up about whether or not

(01:23:56):
Lebron James might go to l A. I think it's
kind of an intriguing question, and I think it's something
that will unpack next week because I do believe. You know, look,
Lebron James has one year left on his contract with
the Cleveland Cavaliers, So I think next year the Warriors
are gonna win. I think there's not gonna be a
lot of drama associated with the NBA regular season or

(01:24:17):
the playoffs. I think the Warriors are gonna run rough
shot through the league again, win another championship their third
and four years. But then I think the NBA gets
pretty interesting because Lebron James can opt out of his contract.
Where does he go? Adrian Modikowski, uh obviously at Yahoo,
said that he's hearing that Lebron might be interested in

(01:24:38):
going to the Lakers or potentially the Clippers. That's an
intriguing angle because this would be Lebron's last chance to
try and get a championship. I don't know how many
more years Lebron is going to be at a high
level as a basketball player. He'll turn thirty three next year,
and obviously he will turn thirty four the year after that.
How many more years does he have to? Really? Chang

(01:25:00):
said championship? Maybe three four at the absolute most. And
so where does he think he can put a championship?
Will ever level team together? Kind of pay attention to
what the Lakers decide to do. I know that there
has been a lot of expectation that the Lakers are
gonna sign Alonzo Ball. And by the way, how great
was that Alonzo Ball foot locker commercial? If you haven't

(01:25:22):
heard that, maybe the guys can pull it up. Maybe
we'll play it for you right here in this segment. Again.
We played it once yesterday, but it's absolutely fantastic. I
think Danny g still got it. I'll play that for
you in a sec. But the Lakers seem to be
a little bit wobbly right now on whether they're actually
going to take Alonzo at number two. Overall, now, you
never know what's going on. We seem to know that
according to the offshore books, Marquel Folks is gonna be

(01:25:44):
the overall number one pick to the Boston Celtics, so
that one's off the board basically, but the Lakers are
at least considering shopping that pick at number two. What
would they want to do at two they really believe
in Alonzo ball or not. Obviously that's gonna be one
of the top stories next week. But this is kind
of a fascinating UH commercial. It's been so much attention

(01:26:08):
to LaVar Ball, so much interest in everything that LaVar
Ball has done. That to me, this is a This
is an intriguing commercial. The first time we've actually seen
Janzo show some personality again. This is a foot locker commercial.
There's a couple of other NBA would be draft picks,
guys who were gonna be first round draft picks in
this commercial. It's ostensibly for Father's Day, which, by the way,

(01:26:31):
happy Father's Day to everybody a couple of days early,
but listen to this commercial with Father's Day and then
draft so close together. Full Locker asked us to reflect
on everything that's do for us on our journeys to
the NBA. That's a special so many memories, all those
games of one on one in the driveway where he'd
let me win, just just never missing a game. Of course,

(01:26:54):
there's that big day your dead high school coach in
front of an entire crowd for not getting you in
enough touches, waking up early to drive to all those
five away tournaments, or that special moment when your dad
sits you down and tells you where you're going to college,
copyrights your name to make it a part of a
family lifestyle brand, went on first take and shouted back
and forth with Stephen A. Smith about how you're already

(01:27:16):
better than the reigning league MVP, all those interviews from
the stands there in college games, the public spats with
all the time great sound by at the sound bite
to the national media, and then tell us twenty nine
out of thirty teams to not buy the draft team
and fishing. We went fishing a lock Wonzo showing a
good sense of humor. They're pretty fantastic. Will the Lakers

(01:27:37):
take him? We don't know. I'm gonna talk to my
guy Lance Taylor next. Does he believe the Lakers will
take Lonzo Ball? What does he think of the Rick
Petino penalty? Lots to get into with him at the
bottom of the hour, I hate you. Clay Travis is coming.
So if you want to really get lined up and
you really specifically hate me, a great deal, you can
go ahead and call my guy Jason Martin eight seven
seven six nine. He's begging of you. Don't blow it.

(01:28:00):
Do good. Call in not to say you love me,
call in to say why you hate me. We're gonna
do that at the bottom of the hour. But up next,
should the Lakers draft Lonzo Ball? This is how kicked
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(01:28:21):
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(01:29:03):
were lower than Ricky Fowler's just outside three ft left edge.
Don't give up the whole with Ricky, he hits these
so firmly they usually rattle in there the stroke on
the way Yeah, into the pot with authority, bit crowd give,
isn't the standard? Little fashion here number nive That part

(01:29:25):
save on nine ended Ricky's round he started obviously at ten.
He finished with the bogey free minus seven, lowest opening
round in thirty seven years at the US Open ties
and all time record. Fowler played in twenty nine majors
as a pro, five top fives, but hasn't won one.
Could this be the year? One other interesting note as
Day two of the US Open at Aaron Hills is

(01:29:47):
off and running. Top five players in the world Jason Day,
Rory McElroy, Dustin Johnson, Hideki matsu Yama, and Jordan's speed.
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(01:30:07):
minutes ago. Joined now by my guy at the Lance Taylor.
Also want to tell you guys right now, load up
the phones for my guy, Jason Martin. It's I hate you,
Clay Travis coming at the bottom of the hour. Any
reason that you hate me for this week or any
other week, it's your opportunity to tee off on me.
Now bring in Lance Taylor LT. When you look at

(01:30:28):
the situation out at the Lakers, you buy the idea
that Lebron James is interested in the Lakers or the
Clippers when his after next season, when his option year
comes up. I just don't you know, Los Angeles used
to be a destination city, and obviously the Lakers a
great organization, but now there's so much exposure in the NBA.
I mean, would lead pass I mean, you know these

(01:30:48):
guys are on T N T. I mean, you've got
the accessibility for anybody anywhere at any time. So I
just don't buy Los Angeles being a destination anymore. Lebron
obviously is a big brand. The Lakers are a big brand.
But can you imagine if Lebron actually went to the
Lakers and didn't bring them a championship. I mean, the
only big time free agent that's been unable to do

(01:31:09):
that was Dwight Howard. Yeah, are you buying into the idea?
Like you're a gambler. You like to look at odds
Like me, we have never seen anything like the amount
that the Golden State Warriors are the preseason favorite right
now going into yet other than injuries. I look at
this and I say, you know what, if I were
gonna bet it, I feel like I would have to

(01:31:30):
take the Lakers right now, are you with me? I mean,
sorry that take the Lakers, you would have to take
the Warriors, but even at minus one fifty or minus
two hundred, just because I don't see anybody else being
able to step up and challenge them. Yeah, I agree,
I mean outside of a catastrophic injury. But you know
we had that with Kevin Durant. I think they wan
tour in the regular season without UM. I mean, that's

(01:31:51):
how good that team is. So you know, unless you
had one of these injuries with Steph or Durant going
down in the postseason, I don't think there's any way
they can't in it. I mean, in such a discrepancy
between them and the next best team, which is Cleveland.
I mean, we saw it in five games, really probably
should have been over in four games. I agree with you.
We've never seen a minus two hundred favorites basically six

(01:32:12):
months out from the season, and that's exactly what we're
seeing with Golden States. UM. I thought it was very
predictable and inevitable last year at this time, once he
signed with gold take him to rest, they were going
to win the championship. And after what we saw last year,
UM I think the same thing, So I agree with you.
I mean, I don't know how much value you get
out of it, but if you're not gonna lose, I
guess that is value. We're talking to Lance Taylor, jocks

(01:32:35):
down in Birmingham. You can find him at the Lance
Taylor on Twitter. I'm curious when you look. All right,
let's let's leave out. So let me get one more
NBA question for you. There's a lot of smoke now.
Obviously Faults seems to be headed to the Boston Celtics
minus two thousand, favorite on the off shore, the number
one pick. There's not drama. Do you believe that the
Lakers will draft Alonzo Ball? Should they draft Alonzo Ball?

(01:33:01):
I think his upside is huge. I mean you're talking
about a guy that's got unbelievable range, the vision, the
size of the wings band. I like him better than Foults.
I mean, you look all that. We didn't play a
full season in Washington, but they got their coach fired.
They were they were under five hundred, obviously didn't go
to the int A Tournaments. They was at least a
fact of highest scoring team in college basketball this year. Um,

(01:33:23):
you know, I mean LaVar taking for what he is.
I think Lonzo is gonna be an absolute stud. I
do think Josh Jackson is gonna be good. You know,
I think dearon Fox is really good. Was actually better
than Linzo and those two one on one matchups. But
the Lakers, even with Linzo, are so far away. You know,
I was asking other you know, how far are the
Lakers from Golden State? Well, they were fifteen games out

(01:33:44):
of the eight seat. I mean, this is a team.
They were forty one games back of Golden State. They
were an entire half season back of Golden State this year.
So as good as Brandon Ingram can be, you moved
the Angelo Russell to the two. Julius Randall was solid.
You ring in a guy like Linzo. You're still three
or four years away from these guys really jelling and
getting together to even complete with Golden State. So, um,

(01:34:08):
you know, as good as the Lakers can be, it's
gonna be a long time. Even if you brought Lebron in.
I still think Lebron with this Lakers team is second
best in the West. Maybe McGregor versus Mayweather. I'm sure
you'll watch it. I know I'll watch it. August. That
will be a major payday. But is it the biggest
sham production in the history of sports relative to how

(01:34:31):
competitive this will actually be. Yeah, I mean it reminds
me of you might have remembered this evil Kineevil trying
to jump the Snake River. I've I've read about it.
I don't remember that on television, but I remember reading
about it. Yeah, I mean we we all prepared for that,
and I guess it was the the the actually do this.
It was such a sham because he was gonna try

(01:34:51):
to do in the rocket. It wasn't like he was
doing on a motorcycle, but it was we're gonna watch
this just in case the guys dies. But I mean,
this is just entertainment. And there's lot of people listening
to us right now that watch w W E. I
don't um, you know, Bobby Riggs and Billy Dean King
Battle of the Sexes. I mean, this is just something
inevitably Again we know the end results. I mean, there

(01:35:13):
is zero chance McGregor wins this. Um, But yeah, it's entertainment.
I'll pay probably twenty dollars whatever it is, so I'm
all in. But yeah, it's it's it's definitely a sham.
I've equated this to basically the equivalent of like for
people out there who think that Connor McGregor is going
to win. If you think about it, it it would be

(01:35:35):
almost like somebody who plays hockey thinking that they're gonna
suddenly go out and be a competitive skater with like
speed skating, right. I mean that all these people out
there who are speed skaters and win Olympic medals, they
train all the time to be the fastest possible skaters.
And there are really fast skaters in hockey, and obviously
they're on skates too, but it's a totally different sport.

(01:35:58):
And you would be crazy if you thought, oh, this
guy who's really good at the NHL is suddenly going
to go speed skate and be the greatest in the
world at it. Yet there are people out there right
now listening to us who think we're idiots for saying
that Connor McGregor has no chance in this fight. No chance.
And I think it's a good analogy. I think it's
the millennials that love M M A and don't really

(01:36:18):
like boxing, and that's, you know, all of these people
that believe McGregor is going to win. Another analogy, I
would use um pull any CFL quarterback. I think bow
Levi Wallace, the old quarterback dressing you is one of
the quarterbacks in the CFL. Let's just start him in
the super Bowl. Do you think whoever is playing in
the Super Bowl would have a chance with a first

(01:36:39):
time starting CFL quarterback. It's a great point. I mean
it's crazy. I even think that's gonna be competitive, Yeah,
because I mean McGregor. Look there there is a symblance
of boxing. I mean he's a striker. I mean that
that's part of the game in the m m A.
But we're talking about technically, pound for pound, the best
boxer in history, a guy that is forty nine. And
oh and say, what do you want about his opponents
when he fought him? Uh? You watch Mayweather people, I

(01:37:02):
mean you you just don't hit this guy. He is
that good. He might be the best conditioned athlete in
the world even at forty. I mean McGregor has zero shot,
he really does have. So why shouldn't you put every
dollar that you can on Floyd Mayweather here too? Even
though he's a prohibitive favorite, Like, how could McGregor even
win that I just don't see anyway unless the only

(01:37:24):
nervousness I have here is if if Mayweather decided to
throw this match right because he knew he could win
matches two and three, if he was willing to go
forty nine and one and then come back and go
fifty one and one and win the next two because
he just decided, you know, it's the end of my career.
I want to make a half billion dollars. Like That's
my only nervousness in betting this match is just that

(01:37:46):
Mayweather likes money so much. If he threw this one,
he could make so much more money by being able
to do a best of three. Look, I know Mayweather
loves to tweet out all of his wins handling sports book. Um,
I think he's got a lot more losses and wins,
So I'm not gonna say that he can't spend all
of his money. But I mean, this guy is worth
close to a billion dollars. I think he goes too

(01:38:07):
big to give up fifty and oh. I agree with you.
I think there's no way he can lose it. And
the only thing I would say, I mean, you've got
to risk a hundred and seven thousand dollars to win
ten thousand dollars. So the guy that can actually put
a hundred and ten thousand dollars at the window ten
thousand dollars isn't going to change his life. Um. But
you know, on the other side, if you're gonna take
you know, seven to one, if you're going to put

(01:38:29):
a thousand bucks on McGregor and come back and win
seven thousand, I think that's something that you know, a
lot of people I wouldn't say it would change their life,
but I think it's a big deal. So I think
obviously the majority of the money is going to be
on the underdog here outstanding stuff. As always, LT, we'll
talk to you next week. Stake Life thinks like that
is Lance Taylor at the A. Lance Taylor, Alright, load

(01:38:51):
up the phone lines. Lots of reasons to hate me
eight seven seven nine nine six six three six nine,
Do not drive Jason Martin in crazy crazy. This is
not time to call in and say why you love me?
This is I hate you, Clay Travis. It's coming up next,
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(01:39:34):
don't know, are there people out there who hate me?
Danny G? And justin what do you think? Is this
a hateable week? How would you assess my hate level
this week? I'd say your hate ability level this week?
If I'm rating from like a scale of one to ten,
I'd go eight and a half. Oh pretty high, pretty
high hate level this week? Oh yeah, I mean what

(01:39:56):
was that caller? His name was it Gary or Gray?
The one that said that yesterday and said I need
to stop being so negative the world. I was making
the world the worst place. Yes, that was his perspective. Um,
I don't know, what do you think, Danny G. Yeah,
I'm not gonna be as vicious as an eight or
nine On often I would say you had a pretty

(01:40:18):
good week of six. So before we go into the
weekend and we're letting Jason Martin eight seven, seven, six
three six nine field these calls and line them up
for us again, it's time for I h you, Clay, Travis,
you guys are out in l A. Are you buying
any of the smoke screen talk? It's always tough to
know around the draft because everybody starts lying. Everybody wants

(01:40:38):
different stories to be told. Faults seems to be zero
drama that he's gonna go to the Boston Celtics. Do
you think there's any chance that the Lakers actually passed
on Lonzo Ball? The only way I could see that happening, Clay,
is if they want to get an all star type
player who's already proven me personally, if I'm magic, I
would package that number two pick and in trade with

(01:41:02):
the Chicago Bulls and get a Jimmy Butler. And then
a year from now when Paul George is a free agent.
You know he's an l A boy, So imagine all
of a sudden you have Butler and then you could
have a Paul George. You don't think Lebron would want
to come play with him? Is it worth the straight
up trade to give the number two pick to the
Pacers for Paul George. Yeah, you wouldn't want You wouldn't

(01:41:27):
want to do that if you were the Lakers because
you could get Paul George in free agency. Right. But
that's assuming that he's not going to re up. Correct.
But I'm saying if if he, if he's letting you
know that, otherwise he may not be willing to stay there.
I just think that's an intriguing move. I'm not sure
that I buy any of the drama surrounding it. But
speaking of drama surrounding it, go ahead and hit the

(01:41:47):
music boys. Ever seen you on the street America? It's
time for your favorite segment. Oh you haven't heard of it.
It's really simple, basically, you get it done. Clay like this.
I hate to play Travis. This is the stupidest thing
that probably youth saying that about six months. I hate you,

(01:42:08):
Clay Travis with your elphin size five shoes. I hate
you Clay Travis. I hate you Clay Travis Travis. Now
here's Clay you Travis. I mean, I hate you Clay Travis.
Want to hate me? Didn't hate me? Can we begin
and craid old presidents State of Virginia. Darren, what's up?

(01:42:30):
I hate you, Clay Travis. You're an arrogant hypocrite in
what way and the way that you're one of your
favorite things is always you can disagree with me, that
you'd be wrong. You picked out and at some clothes
that you like to weary to the Predators game. And
then you're worried about have bad have bad Twitter? What's

(01:42:52):
nailing on? You had bad your house fit? Look, you're
worried about the enough you're gonna throw your wife under
the bus. And that was early this week, that was
on Monday. I appreciate that that was a great outfit.
I would say if I were an arrogant hypocrite, I
would have not even talked about the criticism. I'm totally arrogant.

(01:43:13):
I will acknowledge that, but I am not a hypocrite.
She will not acknowledge that those shoes were like Curry fives.
Those shoes were beautiful, beautiful Mocha nice tennis shoes. I'm
going golfing today, going for the Mike Himerdinger charity event
out in out In. Mike Hahimerdinger, former offensive coordinator of

(01:43:36):
the Titans who died and they have a charity golf
event every year for m going golfing. There. You know
what I'm wearing the Mocha shoes. Gonna look great on
the course. Ryan in uh North Carolina or Northern California
and north so Northern California. Yes, yeah, okay, you know
Jason Martin, I hate you first. Oh yeah, continue, Sorry,

(01:43:59):
I too, because every single week, all you spout out
is why am I the only guy talking about this?
ESPN never talks about I'm the only guy talking about
these issues. Well, let me give you an example. Live
Nightclub with Lebron You're just spouting off about how you're
the only guy you know hating on him about this.
I woke up at six in the morning, I'm watching

(01:44:20):
eating breakfast, watching this on ESPN. I was watching U
stephen A Smith hating on I'm doing the whole thing.
I get in my car, throw on the podcast, and
all I hear is you, Oh, I'm the only one
talking about this. There're the only one talking about it
because your shows on at three in the morning. Guy,
everyone's a sweet I mean, come on, I will say this.

(01:44:40):
I got a lot of that your shows on at
three in the morning. That's a West Coast bias. My
show is on at six o'clock in the morning on
the East Coast, where the vast majority of people in
this country live, the same time that Howard Stern has
been coming on for a long time. All right, you
West Coast people with your West Coast by as your Oh,
your shows on at three am. No, my shows on

(01:45:03):
at six am on the East Coast. That's the most
prime time of all day for radio. You know why that?
It's the truth. That's why I get up in the morning.
Otherwise I hated getting up in the mornings. I get
up in the morning because we're on in all fifty states,
because we've got a ton of people listening. So don't
go with the your shows on at three am, amen, Clay.

(01:45:24):
And I'm here on the West Coast, but I tell
all my friends and family that I work for a
big morning show. There you go, it's true, you do. Uh,
let's see TC in Jacksonville, TC. What's up, Clay. So
here's the deal. I hate you for three reasons, and
it's not for what you think. I don't disagree with you,
but let me start out with number one. You call

(01:45:45):
yourself a lawyer and a smart guy, a word smith,
but the only adjective that you know is the word fascinating.
Everything's fascinating to you. Let's let's broaden, let's broaden the
horizons for all these guys waking up at three three
am on the West coast. Number two, what word would
you suggest instead of fascinating, because I'll work on that interesting, intriguing, Interesting,

(01:46:06):
Interesting is is kind of like the your own word
for your tall radio guys. Let's scintillating. Use that one
every now and again. You could, you could throw that
one into the mix a little bit more that well,
I would to pause. I want to go around. Is
there a word I can use better than fascinating? Danny G,
Danny G, Justin and Jason? What word should I use instead?
I will now try to use a word other than fascinating,

(01:46:30):
intriguing that I already used that one, not according to
the caller. No, No, I'm saying right now, I just
said fascinating earlier today. Yeah right, I'm just saying. There
aren't that many synonyms, is what I'm going with. I'm
throwing it out right now. Words that I should use instead.
All right, good answers, way to help out there. Okay, interesting,

(01:46:51):
you know, you know Clay, I think that that callers
he's patently absurd. Compelling? How about captivating? Mesmerizing? H captivating mesmerizing?
That that just sounds I don't know that. Like if
I say captivating or mesmerizing, you guys are gonna be like,
I don't know what happened to Clay Travis, Like did
he saw his penis off? Like chanting? Like what we're

(01:47:16):
learning here? Quickly? Is that interesting? Is by far or
fascinating or by far the two best words there? All right? Continue?
Uh tc. Number number two. Every time you talk about
your kids, you say how old they are? Nine six
and two. I've got three kids, nine six and six.
I think that's important. If I said I have three kids,
and I said I have three kids, you could be like,
are they college age kids? Are they like teenagers? Nine

(01:47:38):
six and two are young kids? I guess I could
say I have three young kids, But I think there's
a for parents out there. Having a nine six and
a two year old is a lot different than having
an eighteen of sixteen and a thirteen year old. Continue? Okay, okay,
Number three. And here's the big one. I don't necessarily
disagree with you, but your take yesterday on Phil Nicholson

(01:47:59):
was very pussy. Will I appreciate that. See, that's a
good that's a good Yeah. Why why was it a pussy?
Wellow take it was. It was pussy because he had
over twenty years to try to win a US Open,
and all of a sudden, now in two thousands of seventeen,
you want to high school, to cow tow to Phil
Michelson just to give him another chance. Come on back,
you say, be better. He should have been better. I agree,

(01:48:21):
but he hasn't done it. It's hard to win a
US Open. The dude has come in second place so
many different times. That's a good call. That's detailed TC
in Jacksonville listening regularly. I can appreciate that. All right, finally,
Lowell and and I love that it matters. But it's
southern Indiana, not the rest of the state of Indiana.
Lowell in southern Indiana. That's me. Clay Travis, I hate

(01:48:42):
you because you don't listen to Gary yesterday's caller. It's
a good info. You don't listen Buds yesterday. That's it. Yesterday.
That's a that's a very very pathetic way to close
off yesterday. Gary called and said I was too too negative.
So I guess we need to start having an I
Love you Clay Travis segment. Here's the truth of the matter.

(01:49:03):
Positivity doesn't work, all right. I've used this example before.
I had breaking news about a about a kid who
is a cancer patient who's gonna be doing an NFL
draft pick. I interviewed the kid. I've got the story
of nobody reads it. People want conflict, they want disagreement,
they want like sexy stories, right, they don't want good stories.

(01:49:27):
All right? If I just came on and I said,
you know what, boy, that Ricky Fowler. He was really
good on the golf course yesterday. He could have shot
a seventy two, which would have been par, and instead
he shot a sixty five. Golly g he was really
good on the golf course. Let's talk about how good
Ricky Fowler was on the golf course. Did you see
the putt that he hit on nine to end his game? Gee, Willikers,

(01:49:50):
that was incredible. I could never sink that putt. You
know what my ratings would be like, they'd be like
Mike and Mike the show would suck. I'm Clay Travis.
Final segment coming up next on Fox Sports Radio College.
Here on Fox Sports Radio, Got Radio College Jordan bringing
us back in here. Final segments of the show. Why

(01:50:14):
from the Geico Fox Sports Radio Studios. What does it mean? One?
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heard coming out of that break. Let's hear that again.
This is yesterday, and then also my Galig conclusion today.

(01:50:36):
It's very mesmerizing. Yes, no here on Fox Sports Radio
God what radio College that was intentional? That one was intentional,
had no idea. The first one was not. The first
one was not. I thought the mic was off the
first one when I when I mangled that one. But

(01:50:56):
I hope that you find it my my my endings
mesmerizing and uh that you are captivated by by my
fantastic analogies um binding one spell binding. Yes, I hope
you guys know I've got a nine, a six, and
a two year old um and I used to be
a lawyer. You wear a lawyers there, I put my
lawyer had on make make sense of this um? All right,

(01:51:20):
So a couple of additional things that that I want
to hit. I wanna tell you guys, you gotta go
listen to the podcast. We absolutely destroyed the n C
Double A. One of the things I like to do
here is on the show when there are suddenly stories
that that rise up, and we had you know, Louisville
getting their sanctions. But also I think there's so many
programs that have gotten sanctions in recent years, whether it's USC, Oregon, UH, Tennessee, Ole,

(01:51:42):
miss Miami, Missouri, like, there's so many different places that
have gotten popped for n C Double A violations, and
so many other places Penn State, Baylor that people believe
either weren't hit hard enough or should be hit harder
that I think it's important to go back in and
actually consider what the n C Double A does. And
if you miss the earlier parts of the show, I

(01:52:02):
believe the n C Double A is the most immoral,
indefensible organization in all of sports. And I hope I
made you guys think if you did not listen to
the show earlier. Go back, reconsider why the phrase improper
benefits even exists. I think it's one of the most
illegitimate phrases in all of American sports, maybe the most.

(01:52:23):
What is the concept of improper benefits? Go back and
check it out. But a guy who always gets the
benefit of the doubt because he's the son of God.
It's Tim Tebow and it's time for tebow Watch. Oh
what happened there? How do we not have the tebow
Watch music ready to go? I'm so excited? Oh God,

(01:52:44):
that's this is This is even worse than Tebow's batting average,
that we didn't have everything you'd up there, There we go.
There is the sound of the heavens opening for our man,
Tim Tebow. Chason Martin take it away. It's been a
pretty good week for the annointing when Clay even though
no home run derby birth were him, that's gonna take
place on June the nineteenth. On Monday, he won't be
in the batter's box, but he did get a hit

(01:53:05):
against Charleston on Sunday. Monday was not good, oh for
three with a strikeout average falls to two twenty one.
But then comes Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, a hit in
all three games, two RBIs on Tuesday after doubling home
his teammates with a fly ball off the wall, then
another one last night. Also drew four walks during that
three game span, bringing his average up seven points. Tim

(01:53:26):
Tebow now sitting at since we haven't done splits in
a bit, here's a little bit more info about Timothy
Richard at the dish. Hitting too against right handers, just
one forty eight against lefties, but that's an improvement. Two
weeks ago that number was nine one like zero. He's
sitting a hundred eight points better at home than on
the road, fifty seven points better in the day than

(01:53:47):
at night, and his average for the month of June
not bad to eight. He's turned it around a little bit.
Still straight out a lot, he has sixty one with
and subsequent back to the dugout sitdowns and just fifty
seven games columb You three more with Charleston Tonight, Tomorrow
and Sunday, then the league's All Star break on Monday
and Tuesday. Currently the Columbia Fireflies, and you have to

(01:54:08):
think this is due to Timothy Richard Tebow. First place
in the South Atlantic League's Southern Division thirty nine and
overall actually the best mark in either league division, a
half game lead over the Greenville Drive, who they beat
this week in two out of three to take that
first place advantage. And those were the three games where
Tebow got hits in all three, reaching base in all

(01:54:29):
three matchups getting the RBIs so Tebow really helping the
team this week average up to two? And that muture
tebo watch for this Friday, June? All right, did I
change anybody's mind with my n C Double A rant? Today?
Let's go around the horn. I'll start in l A
because I think you guys probably spend less time thinking
about the n C Double A Danny G And justin

(01:54:51):
any minds change? Did it make the world a better
place today? Uh? No, no changing of my mind because
I was. I was with you from from the get go.
I I completely agree with everything that you said. So um,
I'm I'm just I'm I'm on board preaching to the choir.
Danny G. Yeah, same here. Definitely agree with you guys
there in Nashville. Blow up the current n C Double A.

(01:55:13):
It should be paid to play like minor league baseball. Alright,
final thought for the weekend as we go into the
to Saturday and Sunday and get ready for the NBA Draft.
Will the Lakers draft Lonzo Ball? Yes or no? Jason
Martin Yes, absolutely, Danny g and Justin if they keep

(01:55:34):
the pick, yes, Justin? Yes, all right, So it's that
was not a strong yes. But we feel like this
is manufactured drama. I always doubt the draft because I
feel like there's a lot of manufactured drama surrounding it. Uh.
Speaking of manufactured drama, the US Open going on starting now.

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Go check it out. It's on FS one all day today.
I got Ricky Fowler at twenty one to one to
win this thing. I also got brand seneticker or a
hundred and ten to one, so I got some big
money on this game. Hopefully we get some big wins there.
Hope you guys have fantastic weekends. We will be back
on Monday breaking down everything that happened in the US
Open and getting you ready for the NBA Draft. It's

(01:56:17):
been a fun week. Thank you for spending your mornings
with us all week long. Great stuff cup to coming
next here on Fox Sports Radio. Hopefully they'll be even
more positive than I was because they're trying to make
the world a better place. I am Clay Travis. Go
check us out on out Kick the coverage Meilbag up
soon to help you pass the day even faster than
you already would. Hope you guys have fantastic Fridays here

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