Wake Up And Smell The Roses

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Sports Radio. Happy New Year, folks. I don't know if
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back tomorrow. He's enjoying the holiday with this family. So
it's time for Jason Martin, Jeff Schwartz, Jeff Schwartz and
Charlotte at Jeff Schwartz on Twitter. I'm Jason Martin at
j mart Zone. Happy New Year, off, how are you,
my friend? I'm fantastic. Happy New Year to you to
all our listeners. UM, I feel like you should said
something like new year knew me and I saw your

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tweet last night. I was out at dinner with my
wife and I saw your tweet about how you're just
gonna keep being awesome, keeping yourself instead of high bar.
I'm just like, Wow, that's um a solid work on
Twitter right there to in twenty nineteen, just trolling the
trolls and you're gonna teams and hate players. I'm sure
that people are like this guy, But look anything about

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New Year's resolutions, right if they're great at all, and
I get why they're done, I get I understand the
motivation behind them, but if you just try to be
like your best self, and that sounds a terrible thing.
I just feel like such a millennial on on Instagram
speaking like that. But I don't know. I just try
to be the best person I can every day, and
then you just don't have to worry about making a resolution.

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I am. I am very much anti motivational quote guy.
I think we might confront this um, but like, I
don't like it does nothing for me and almost goes
the opposite directions. So when I see everyone post about
how they're gonna you know there's new You're gonna be
new me on on New Year, I'm gonna cut out
all the bad people and only positive vibes in like

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get out of here people, come on. Yeah, well, I'm
I've always liked the de motivational posters and things like that.
I've always found those to be kind of funny. Um. Yeah,
so I'm not I'm not big on the the motivational
necessarily stuff. A little bit more on the scripture side
of it. But I see that from a different perspective.
But yeah, I probably should have let off and just said,

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by the way, today's show is not a publicity stunt.
You know there's actually something behind this because Antonio Brown
has said that the Saints work out as a publicity stunt,
even while we know he took a camera crew two
documents said publicity stunt by the Saints on Friday. I
don't know what this is, man. You know, we're gonna
talk a lot of NFL. We're gonna break down these

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wild card games, talk about the playoffs, maybe rank the
teams in order of how we see them right now,
and then there's all sorts of personnel changes happening, because
that's what happens when seasons end in the NFL. That
you didn't like how they went. People lose jobs and
people start getting hired again. So there's a lot to
get to today. But just the fact that ab felt
the need to like burn the Saints Bridge that never

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existed is kind of hilarious to me, and it just
again reinforces why in the world would you want to
put that kind of a cancer, that kind of a
poison on your team. Because as his dad had come
out and said, you know, I uh, he he hit
rock bottom. He's gonna be okay, but he hit rock
bottom for a little while. But he just wants to
get back out there and play the game he loves.

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He doesn't want to get out there and play the
game he loves because if he did, he would stop
doing some of these things that are just basically shoot
him shooting himself in the foot. He can't get out
of his own way. Well, there's there's a lot of
things to pack with Antonio Brown. There's something else going on,
and there's no reason to spect you on that. I
think everyone thinks that something else is going on that's
not gonna beyond beyond football. But you know, Clay says

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something that I think is really important where we discuss
athletes and whether they get second chances in sports, and
he says, um, your talent out or your problems to
your problems outway your talents, right, He said that for
years now. It's a great line of his. I use
it a lot quite often. And that's the way the
NFL is, right, is that until your and we saw
it with the Ray Rice situation where you know, he

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was not given a second chance the NFL he was
a third year old running back. We saw Greg Hardy
get another chance in the NFL because he was a
good player, even though the allegations that that he went
he was found guilty in the case eventually was thrown
out on appeal. But um, you know, players all the time.
We saw Cream Hunt. We've seen it all the time
where players get a second chance the NFL because they're

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supremely talented. And Antonio Brown, we'll still get a chance
the NFL next year. I'm telling you if he if
the NFL clears him um in in the investigation they're
doing the allegations off the field, he will get a
job in the NFL next year. But he's a good example,
Jason of kind of a player who's addicted to social media.

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I love social media, right, I use all the time.
I'm currently trying to grow my Instagram following a little
bit more like I understand the idea of wanting more
followers and feeling the need to post all the time
and share your life. I get all that. I do
a fair amount of that on Twitter. Um. I'm I
would call himself a high volume tweeter and um, but

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I also understand it's not real life, and I have
an actual life in the family, and and it's you know,
it's it's not that serious. But he's an example of
a player and of this generation that he'd rather be
a social media star than in an NFL star right now.
And he'd rather get that satisfaction in life from people
telling him how Grady is on social media? Right, fake people,

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fake friends, um, people that really don't matter emotionally. It
should not matter emotionally to him in the end. And
we're seeing this more and more with players now. I
don't Adam Silver has complained and the NBA commissioners complaining
about the way that his players respond to social media,
and and I Antonio Brown is a great example of this. Right,
He's not He's getting imagine who Rosenhouse, his agents talked

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to him, imagine his friends, his dad, and he just
doesn't get it. He likes that satisfaction. It's it's really
fake gratification from social media that he gets and he
when he learns it's not real. And I don't know
when he will. Maybe he'll change his ways because he's
talented enough. Look, if if there were no allegations right now,

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let's say the NFL came out today in some New
Year's and said, hey, guys, we've we've cleared Antonio Brown.
The Patriots would sign him tomorrow. It's tell him today.
He would be on the Patriots, did you They do
not care about his tweets about Robert Raft. He'd be
on the Patriots ready to play the Titans this weekend
that quickly. Yeah, they may need him as well. But

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and the Adam Silver stuff about social media, Now, I
discussed that on my Sunday Morning Fox show. I've discussed
it in a lot of different places. We've talked about
it before. It can be a very good thing when
you look at you know, J. J. Watt raising a
lot of money for disaster relief and things of that nature.
And then there are a lot of people out there

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that want to do good, that want to bring you
good journalism. You think about the athletic and what a
great value that is um and and just how it
has changed the way we you know, I mean the
athletics just kind of what we do for a living, Jeff.
When we wake up in the morning, we probably checked
the Athletic every day because there's generally gonna be something
to read there that's gonna give us, well, maybe it's

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gonna give us something we can talk about on the air,
but it's also just gonna be well done. And it's
from a lot of people that are veterans from newspapers
and magazines and television and all of them in one place.
And it's good. It's it's brought all these things together.
And then there's the negative side of social media, which
is the extremes politically, the extremes socially, and just the
loudest voices who think that you know, who make you

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believe if you don't get out of the bubble long
enough to think, they make you believe that that's how
life actually is, and it isn't. And for a b
and some of these people, you're right I think that
your gratification point is right. It's instant gratification. It is
also just a place to get sucked into your own ego. Uh,

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this pride that you can't get out of your own
way some of the time. But just the videos and
some of the stuff, Like the best thing could happen
to him is just get out of there, just just
stop dealing with stop. I thought the same thing about
Kevin Durant. If you get angry every time somebody says
something critical about you, then why in the world would
you have a social media account at all? Like, what

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does the benefit of that, because all it's gonna do
is drive you down cessible. It does feel good. I
do it every time times to tell people to f
off right on on Twitter and and Instagram. I get that. Um,
but I decided a couple of months ago i'd actually
been better about this, about just not going after people,
just blocking and commuting them because people don't like to

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see that all the time. It's fun. I mean, I
still I dunked on someone yesterday. A couple of Yeah,
you dunked on somebody, I get it was a Sunday.
You dunked on that one guy? You said you hadn't
been doing it a lot, he was. He just that
was the worst of Twitter is that you described it.
I can't remember what that guy, Oh yeah, who who
just wanted to argue to argue over some over something. Yeah,
he's want to argue to argue and I call him

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more on um. Otherwise, Like I've been pretty good about
that because I just I got to a point where
I realized, yeah, it's it's trust me, it's a lot
of fun to dunk on someone and then have all
Twitter and be like yeah you got him short. It's
like it's it's fun. But then I realized, like my
followers probably don't like that. Um in the end, like
they look sometimes probably fun because I think they they'd

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love to do that too too people on Twitter, and
it just don't feel comfortable doing that. Um but in
the end, like that's not really I was like, that's
probably not worth it all the time. It's a bad look. Um.
And then you know politics, do you know I stopped
that at Trew years ago. Oh look, oh, if if
the president does something goofy or funny, I'll sub tweet

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them or something and you know, something silly and um,
if it revolves sports. I might talk about it. I mean, look,
it's hard to ignowl. It's hard to ignore that sports
and politics often collide. Um, and I might talk about
some some you know, some Jewish things on that are
considered political on Twitter, but um, we're a joking or
mocking manner. But it's just it's not worth on social media.

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And I hope that we get to a point where
we start understanding more of that as athletes. Um, Like
I said, it's fun to do it every now and then.
I think it's appropriate to do it every now and
then because you know it, Clay talks about this too.
It's and it's I felt I've teld this way too,
you know, and I said this on Twitter. You know,
someone will talk to me in an inappropriate matter on
social media. That same person will see me in public

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and ask for my picture and selfie and you like,
you want to be my best friend. And so that's
just a lot of fakeness. Let's social media, and um,
when athletes realized that, I think they'll be better off. Um.
You I've seen uh, you know, siblings get into it
with other athletes. It's just guys, it it doesn't make
sense to do all that. It doesn't I have to

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be maybe that's my actual New Year's resolution. It's not,
but maybe that should be. Well you and coach O
Coacho said his new Year's resolution was to eat less
and he's not going to do it. I love it.
Or John he you know, he recruited met USC. So
he was at USC or in Pete carrolly years and
I was being recruited by USC. And actually, as much

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as I dislike USC and my parents went to U C.
L A, if USC had offered me, I probably would
have gone. I mean they were at the Heyday. It
was two thousand four of kind of their winning and
um I was like like the last They had five
red shirting office alignment and they had one guy committed.
They had one spot left and I was second in
line for that spot. So they kept recruiting me until
that day. They were actually the most honest with any

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with any team I've been with. The Edward Drawn told
me from the beginning, goes he you know, he tell
me that, look, he goes, we we have UM one
spot available. We like a guy in front of you.
If he commits, you're out. We'll tell you when that happened,
and they did. They told me when it happened, like
in November, they stopped recruiting me. He called me every
Monday though at seven twenty, without fail every Monday, every

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Monday night, seven pm, he called, without fail um and
it was it was fun to talk to Ed. Uh really,
and when he's done this year, L s U. I
think it's an important lesson for coaches. And I wonder
if if you know, we have NFL coaching hires right
now and what you know coaches Ron red feris in
Washington now, what we know what he learned from his

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first time and I think he did a great job
in Carolina. But you know, I think ed or Drown
realized that his first time around, and then obviously his
first year. L s U like, I gotta be like,
I just need to be CEO. I need to hire
the great people. And he did that right. He hired
Joe Brady. He just he just hands off like I'm
gonna be the c O of the program. I'm going

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to recruit my butt off, I'll be the face of
the program. And the awareness of coach of a coach
to do that is su premely impressive in my opinion,
and I hope that organ place was constant today on
organ grad. You know, Mark Cristobal has to hire an
offensive coordinator coming up, but I kind of hope he
goes in that direction to where he's an offensive line coach.

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You know, Edward drowns the defensive line coach. Hey man,
be be inspirational, be fiery. I've seen markusable before game.
He is is. He looks at the former he looks
at the former offensive linement out there. He is frothing
at the mouth right, And I think Edward drawings the
same way. And it's done a great job. Just hands off.
I'm gonna coach you, I'm gonna motivate you, I'm gonna

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send a tone for the program. But guess what, I'm
gonna let someone run the defense and want somewhere in
the offense. And the awareness to do that really impressive.
And I and I don't think he gets enough credit
for for doing that, for being that aware. Yeah, another
thing that order On has done that has not gotten
nearly as much attention as bringing in Joe Brady and
just not being stubborn enough to uh to think he

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knew everything, and bringing in smart people and surrounding him
is he brought John Robinson out. He brought John Robinson,
the s C, John Robinson, who really had not been
around the scene for a while. And John Robinson ends
up moving to Baton Rouge to be a consultant for
l Yeah, like the UC like legendary correct, the legendary

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SC coach John Robinson. Uh, yeah, he's been a consultant. Yeah, exactly.
It has not been talked about very much at all,
but I've spoken to a couple of people that that
knew John Robinson had been in the league for a long,
long long time NFL and college and they talked about
how instrumental and under the radar that move really helps
solidify everything because it was a guy that also helped

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at Orgeron learn how to be a head coach, like
to structure the organizational side, to be the CEO, to
be that guy, and to help him through some of
the learning curve that it comes with being in that job.
And they've said that that it's hugely important what John
Robinson has been able to bring. And Robinson hadn't been

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around the scene in a minute, but all of the
moves that orders Iran have has made have been good ones,
and I don't know that he has gotten enough credit
because we immediately started talking about Joe Brady and we
started talking about Burrow obviously, but you can't do this.
I mean, look at the Browns. The Browns had some talent,
but they also had the wrong coach, and we can

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talk about that and just how badly that has gone
and what it's gonna mean for Baker Mayfield going forward
that John Dorsey is no longer going to be in
that position, but you can see a lot of places
where there's been talent that has been either misused or
completely wasted because the wrong guy has been in charge.
And when ed ords Iran was hired, I didn't think
that was gonna work out, but I've sat there and

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watched him and ed Orgeron feels like l s U
and I thought that's why they made the higher But
what it turns out is it Orgerron smart enough to
know what he didn't know. He was smart enough to
know what other people did know. And the worst thing
that you can do in your life is surround yourself
with people that aren't as smart as you are and
don't challenge you, and maybe even sometimes don't make you

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a little bit jealous of what they can bring and
orders around and didn't do that. He brought in super
smart people that at times have taken some of the
spotlight away from him. And now they're sitting here, you know,
eleven days away from playing for a national championship, right,
and the awareness of doing everything you said, it's just
it's just is it's so important as as a coach

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and even as a person right to have the awareness
that you need to do something differently and and be
a um an adult enough to to make those changes, right,
And um, LSU was playing such a high level right
now and there that that was the most impressive offensive
performance I've ever seen in an important game. I know,
Oklahoma probably not very good. I mean, look, they're good

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obviously in the playoff, but not not there's a there's
three very great teams in college football, and there's the
rest of the teams in college football. UM, I mean
that was that was so impressive. And I think that
you know, L s U Clemson, UM, it's gonna be
a fantastic ball game. But what what they've done this year,
I mean, I I think that you look at single

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seasons in college football you know Tebow, Cam newt Um.
I think Joe Burrow is up there are better than
those guys as far as single seasons that are wants
to remember. Oh yeah, no, I absolutely agree, And maybe
we'll talk something about maybe not that game necessarily, but
targeting and some of the things that came out of

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that second semifinal game pretty interest impressive. Another thing I
was just I just looked up here just second ago.
We're gonna get the break now, but I saw Ed
Worder on screen on ESPN, which means that there's time
to talk about the Cowboys. I spoke to Ed. I
spoke to Ed. He's great. I talked to Ed last
year on radio road. Yeah great. And so Jerry Jones

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has met with Jason Garrett again and they're still talking
about an uncertain future and they're not sure what's gonna happen.
I don't understand this. I don't know that anyone does.
We're gonna try to parse it. We're gonna get into
some of these personnel changes in situations, and then we'll
talk about the games with the teams that are actually
pretty good that are still playing football. So there's still

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a lot to get to today. Jeff's at Jeff Schwartz.
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Jeff Schwargs, Jason Martin in with you here on Outkicker
Covers to start off the decade, the first edition of OutKick,
first edition. Maybe if anything that you've heard in twenty
two money, Jeff, what's Utah doing? Maybe they didn't care.
I don't know. I don't know what happened, But I

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was like, I thought to myself, like, what what news
did Utah do? I was like, what happened overnight? With oh?
I was? I realized it took me about three seconds
ago talking about football team, the Utah football team. Um
so so um we've seen now the the loser of
the Patrol Championship game has now lost all nine of

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their bowl games. So um the letdown is real, and
a lot of these games have not been close to
letdown is real. And we've seen the last two years
by the way, the SEC runner up UM has lost
their bowl game, right, we lost, Auburn lost, lost UC.
We saw Texas last year beat Georgia as well. There's

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just think the motivation, it's just not that so talking
about this from from Utah's and I know people are like, oh,
Utah they played football, Yeah they do. Um. They they
this was their year to win the Patrol Championship. They
had not won a pack twelve titles since they have
been in the conference since, you know, for nine years now,
and they had built everything up this season to do that.

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They're senior lad in team, senior quarterbacks, senior running back,
two best players on defense, uh, seniors UM and I
think actually the third best player of defense also a senior.
And they had built this year up to win the
conference championship and they were fifth in the country and
they're talking about them going to a playoff before Oregon
absolutely dominated them in the PacTel title game. And I

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just think their motivation for this ball game and this
is my favorite bet of bull season. I tweeted out
before it happened, and during the game, Um, you know,
the motivation for Utah was just not there. There because
a team that's probably a lot of guys that are
already thinking about the NFL. They're two best defensive backs
of not playing this game, one injured, one already thinking
about the NFL, and it this just made all the

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sense in the world they would get crushed in this game.
I'm not surprised. Um. One thing that we did bowl
season I think we probably should stop is uh, outside
of outside of the playoffs, maybe a couple of games
is making indictments over the entire state of a conference
based off a couple bowl game like this doesn't do

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anything for the PAC twelve Oka, he cares just like
Texas is not back they beat Utah. Yeah, well, I
mean every year Texas is back because they win some
random bowl game, like they beat Georgia. Now they're back.
Yeah No, they really weren't. Um, that's just kind of
the way it is. And then you look at the
games today and I look at the same way. I mean,
obviously there are some fun games and there are some

(21:38):
big games that that I guess matter to some people,
But really I just continue to say, now that the
college football Playoff is what it is and the way
that things have been built, you care about those two
semis and you care about that championship game, and then
outside of that, it's just maybe half the kids care,
maybe three quarters of them care. But if you were
a high rated draft pick, why would you play? Like

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I'm thinking about Alabama's receivers, why would they care to
play against Michigan. It doesn't make any sense, right, I mean,
it just seems like everything to lose because who cares
if you win the I don't even know how you
pronounced v R b oh because I've never even heard
of the company before Verbo the Robot Citrus Bowl today
between Michigan and Alabama, like that would be interesting except

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it's not. I mean I have seen two versions of
Alabama when they're not in a national championship situation. One
where they don't really care and they can get beaten by,
for example, a Utah back in the day, or they
go absolutely annihilate Michigan State like fifty nine to three,
like just because they're mad. So I don't know which

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one shows up, But I also who cares? Like who
is it a bragging rights thing. I don't even think
it is, because it's a it's basically an exhibition game
that means less than any game that those two teams
played all season. Well, I think that there are like
for example, organ play organize to win the rose Ball
like that, this is a program building moment with a

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young coach, UM and kind of a statement game for
for Foramara crystal ball. But your point about Alabama and
they don't win this game, like for what next year,
they're gonna be ranked in the top three. They get
USC in a week one, they're gonna smash USC and
they'll just continue on their on their way. This is
an opportunity I think for for young players to get
a chance to play for Alabama UM, and and that

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that to me feels like what today's game will where.
And for Michigan, you know, probably for Harbor and recruiting,
this is probably a good win if they get this
win right, they can sell this that you know that
they're going in the right direction. They beat an SEC program.
But otherwise a lot of these Bowl games don't mean
as much as we think they do. They're fun, it's
fun to talk about them meaning a lot, but they

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really don't I mean it's four games today. They're not
bad matchups. I mean, Minnesota Auburn's got its own appeal.
I suppose Michigan Alabama is hardball versus SABAN, So there's
storyline there. Oregon was canon is a sneaky good ball game. Um.
And I can see your point about Oregon needing a
kind of statement win to sort of solidify where the

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program is headed with a coach that it's still sort
of on the come up if he wants to go
Ja Cole and then Georgia Baylor, that one is perfect
example of which one of those two teams wants to
be there or Yeah, that's the way I see it.
And I feel like it's very likely that Baylor wins
that game simply because Georgia probably doesn't feel like well,

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I mean, I think that they had aspirations for something else,
and Baylor may have outperformed what they expected to do
this year, which is exactly the problem that they had.
The other SEC losers had in these Bowl games is
that the the apathy of being there. Um. You know,
I I've been a situation before. We were in the
Vegas Bowl in two thousand and six and we were

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seven and five with disappoint a year and um, there
was actually talk it was ridiculous, but we started to
struggle down the stretch. A lot of players were like,
guys like, if we just lose more games, will go
to Vegas Bowl. We'll have more fun to Vegas Bowl.
And and the Vegnas Bill, by the way, is a
terrible match for the Pack twelve. I know that Washington
won this year, Um, but it's it's Pack twelve six

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against Mountain West one, Like they really want to beat
the Pack twelve and we're just there at a party
the Venetian and we didn't care at all. We lost
thirty eight, thirty eight to eight. I think I want
to say to b y U, humiliating, but we just don't.
Guys don't want to be there, and b y U did.
And it's kind of the thing with bowls is that
a lot of this because motivation is who wants to

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be there? Who doesn't? And um, for you know Alabama today,
for for Georgia, the motivation just might not be there,
but for their counterparts it is going to be there.
And so interesting to see how how Tony plays out. Well,
that's exactly why I looked at that and it's very similar.
But like when Oliver and played Central Florida and that

(25:57):
was the old Central Florida just took that net EC
team that was near the top of the conference. They
were Undefeated's like, no, Albert didn't care about playing against
Central Florida in your Peach Bowl that year because the
peach ball wasn't part of the discussion for the national
championship that year. I mean, I think Tell'll explain this
to me. Because nobody's going half speed. That's a you know,
that's a dangerous way to look at it. But when

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you say don't care, how does that translate on the field, Like,
if you're out there and you don't necessarily want to
be there, it's not where you thought you were gonna
end up. You're a little disappointed. So it's not a
game that you can get yourself up for. Like, how
does that work in your own mind while you're on
the football field. Well, I actually think it's a lack
of preparation heading into the bowl game. So it's not

(26:40):
really like the it's not really the game itself. But
when you're not motivated to prepare for the game as
well as you would a different opponent. You just you're
just a little bit wax with your technique. In practice,
you're a little bit wax with all the film you're watching.
You're just not as sharp as you should be. And
then when it comes to game day, you know your

(27:01):
preparation that you thought you did is not good enough
to win the game. And you you come out and
you come out flat, You come out on excited, come
out on, you know, not inspired. And that's why they
work shows up you guys your point. They're not playing
any less hard, but they're just not as prepared as
they should be to make adjustments to to be physical.
I mean, you have to get in in the right
mindset to go on and hit someone for three hours.

(27:25):
If you're not mentally prepared to do that, you use
a taxed slower to the ball. You just you don't
want to just don't want to make that tackle, I
don't want to finish that block. And I think that's
where you see a lot of it. Um. So again,
it's not really that guys are playing like less hard
per se during the game, they're just they don't prepare
mentally just quite the same way. And look, if you're
just off by a tiny bit in your preparation, you're

(27:47):
just not gonna play as well as play it up with.
Just like if if we were off a tiny bit
preparing for the show, we just didn't you know, we
didn't do that little bit of research, we didn't watch
the game, or we didn't read that story. Um, it'll
come off on our radio segment just just naturally will right.
And I think that that's the same way for for players. Um,

(28:08):
it's just the preparation part of it. And um, yeah,
that's that's what I think you're gonna see today with
SEC teams. Um. And it's it's weird to say that
because I actually I mean, if you look at Alabama,
Alabama should blow up Michigan, and there's a possibility they do.
But um, you know, on paper, they definitely should blow
them out, but who knows what happened when actually get

(28:29):
to the game. Yeah, exactly. And hardball has struggled in
Bowl games, especially at Michigan. So maybe he actually cares
about this just to have a positive feeling exiting this
season Minnesota, Auburn and me, it looks like another spot
where p J Flex team wants to be there. Um,
maybe they didn't think they would be quite this good.

(28:49):
And Auburn at twelve playing against Minnesota. How do you
get yourself up for the Outback Bowl against the Minnesota
Golden Govers. Uh, maybe Auburn shows up. If they do,
then they should beat Minnesota fairly handily. But I don't well,
I mean I think they should. I know Minnesota's pretty decent,
but I don't think they have the talent level that
Auburn does across the field, especially up front. But you know,

(29:12):
we'll find out. Hopefully it will be some good games
at least, you know, while you're sitting around eating and
hanging out with family or whatever. Hopefully we're gonna be
treated some decent football. Yeah, just a hit. I live
in Nashville. I'm still not talking a lot of Vanderbilt sports.
Do you gotta talk to Charlotte for nine sports? We
did last year when they played Tennessee in football? I

(29:34):
mean you did? No, I don't. I don't know, no, Jeff,
do you even know their record? Do you know their coach?
What do you know? Football? There you go? Um. The
reason I know this year they made a bowl game,
and like Will Healy after they made their bowl game
was there's a video him in the locker room like

(29:56):
crowdsurfing his players with a shirt off and the Niners
mascot his head to minor so I I that's how
I know him. But I mean, you know, it's we
have a we have a college like program here in Charlotte,
and no one pays attention to it, unfortunately, because they
had a good year. They've had a good couple of
years as a matter of fact. And Tennessee Titans drafted

(30:16):
Nate Davis off their offensive line last year and he's
been out there this year and Tyler playing this weekend
drafted as an offensive line. It's tough when you build
a new program and it's a new program. They thought
they're gonna be one double A or guess FCS and um,
they were shoved to the Conference USA and they're making
the most of it. But yeah, it's uh, it is

(30:38):
what is also apparently it is what it is that
Jason Garrett still has a job right now. I we
had we never even got there because we started talking
about other things, which tends to happen on the radio.
We have the ability to do that. That's why I
enjoy it more than TV. When we come back we'll
start to talking about some of these NFL moves. John
Dorsey is out. What's gonna happen? Uh in New York.

(31:00):
People that don't seem to realize how good a job
Ron Rivera did in Carolina and have just kind of
overlooked it and assumed that that's gonna be a bad higher. Uh.
Those people don't know what they're talking about. So we'll
talk about all those things coming up. This is our
Kicked the Coverage j Martin, Jeff and for Clay, Happy
New Year. You're on Fox Sports Radio. This is Outkicked
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(31:28):
this back in final segment of our number one out
Kicked the Coverage January one, twenty twenty is upon us.
Jeff Schwartz, Jason Martin and for Clay Travis. Clay's back tomorrow,
reading this from Dallas Morning News quote, Jason Garrett has
been a long term, very important, pleasant part of my life,

(31:49):
certainly in sport and in football, buying through him being
a player here, Buying through what he's been as a coach,
what he's been as a working associate. He's just got
a great place for me. And that's if he's coaching
ten more years for the Cowboys or if he's not.
He's done that. We've had that kind of life together
and it's great unquote. And then the article Jerry Jones
Adorer's Garrett. It's something that should be taken into account

(32:10):
when this whole thing ends. Jones was not gonna dump
Garrett on Sunday night after beating Washington. He was gonna
give Garrett a chance to speak to a group of
players who became men under him. Jones wasn't gonna do
it on Monday or Tuesday. After meeting with him privately.
Jones wanted to make sure he gave Garrett every chance
to make his case to stay. Jones believes Garrett will
get another job somewhere New York Football Giants anyone before

(32:33):
he departs. The Cowboys organization will do right by a
guy they groom to become the head coach, and then
it continues on from there. I don't get this at all, um.
I mean, I guess I I obviously I know Jerry
Jones loves Jason Garrett because he's been there for nine years.
I don't know that people realize how long he has
actually been there to have done as little as he's

(32:56):
done as it relates to what the Cowboys have been
able to do in the playoffs. But this has to
be a foregone conclusion, Jeff. And we've got Edward, you know,
standing down there continuing to say, yep, they've had a
second meeting and they haven't made a decision yet. Like,
what do you mean to haven't made a decision yet?
What exactly is going on here? Um? So his Jess
Gerett's contract expire soon, so a feeling is that they're

(33:20):
gonna let him let his contract expire and then they're
not technically firing him and they're moving on. This kind
of shows you, I think, why the Cowboys have failed
over the last twenty years. It's emotional attachment to the players,
to coaches when you need to have a little bit

(33:40):
more cold blindness in your in your bones. Right. You
see Bill Belgic all the time get rid of players
that he feels are not ready to contribute, even when
there we think they're in their problem. He's made some mistakes, right,
Chandler Jones had nineteen half seccess here in Arizona. I
mean there's guys that he's trade away or like go
who have not been as good. But there's all situations
where he does do that and it tends to work
out for his team. So Jerry j just too attached

(34:04):
to Jason Garrett and understand that he loves them like
a son and all that stuff. But you're gonna have
the conversation like, I don't know why they're still meeting
all the time. What are they meaning about? You didn't
do your job? Bye bye? And I think that this
shows you a the Cowboys are too emotional with their

(34:24):
decisions with you know, coaches and players. Um. And if
they're not, if they're not decided yet I want to
do with him, then they must not have been watching
football this season. And I think the longer it plays out,
the more likely that he stays, even though I don't
think he will. But also, don't you want to move

(34:44):
on with your coaching search and you want to call
Matt Rule up and call and I know Matt Rules
was playing today, Um, you know do you want to
don't you want to beat the Giants to Matt Rule? Um?
You know Sherber already said no. Lincoln Riley just played
in their game, So maybe he's more willing to talk now,
but I think the shows that again no plan for
the Cowboys, and I just you gotta you gotta pull

(35:07):
the band at some point. You can't always be you're
doing nobody any favors. At this point, I don't even
know what you're doing, Jason Garrett, any favors, because these
are the kinds of talking points that are out there
about him every single day. Maybe he can coach somewhere else,
Maybe he can be a coachwhere so I have no idea.
I just know that he has gotten the longest leash
you have ever seen down there, seemingly just because Jerry

(35:30):
Jones likes having him around and add a buoying him
every once in a while when they win a game
or you know, give him the wink and the gun
as they're walking down the hallway or whatever. But they've
got to start winning football games there at some point.
They have a lot of talent, they're paying a lot
of a lot of guys big money, and they have
some decisions to make. And that you still think that
even with all that comes with being the coach of

(35:51):
the Cowboys, passed just coaching an NFL team, dealing with
Jerry and all that, there's still a reason to want
to go there. I mean with Dax certainly, and Zeke
in the fold and all of what you've got down there,
It's not like the cupboard is bear and you have
a bunch of really terrible personalities you don't want to
be around, at least not from what I can tell.
I mean, Dax seems to be a real affable guy

(36:13):
that you could potentially build around at quarterback, and Jones
is really the big personality that maybe you wouldn't want
to be around. But Garrett, the leash Garrett. I mean,
I thought Jake Gruden had been there a long time
in Washington, nothing compared to Jason Garrett in Dallas. And
I think we all sense that he is going to
be gone. So the dog and Pony show didn't do

(36:34):
anything for me. It's just like, why are we dragging
this deal out? And you're absolutely right, why would you
want to not be going through your coaching search publicly
and out there while other candidates might be getting snatched
up or getting enticed by other organizations exactly and again,
too much, too much emotional investment. And Jason Garret, I

(36:56):
get it, he's your boy, but it's not going to
move on, cowboys, just get over with Yeah. I mean, look,
the first three Indiana Jones films were great. Kingdom of
the Crystal Skull was an abomination that should be on
the bottom of I don't know, Haiti somewhere seventh level
of hell. It was a terrible movie. I might have
a fondness for Indiana Jones. The franchise doesn't mean I

(37:16):
didn't think Kingdom of the Crystal Skull sucked. Jason Garrett
is Kingdom of the Crystal Skull will be right back.
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(37:38):
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New Year to You has arrived. Four big college football
games today. Some teams want to be there, some don't.
We assume Matt Rule says he's not going to the NFL.
There's all sorts of speculation about where he could land.

(37:59):
Certainly not that's what that's what's out there. He's staying
despite all that speculation. He said that he thought thought
he told his team there today that to be dumb
not to listen. Maybe who's ever reporting that information? I
think in the NFL. But if he gets an opportunity,
you should. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I
don't know how much better you can keep doing it
Baylor on a year you know, on a year to

(38:21):
year basis what this is from ESPN staff writer Alex
Scarborough and came out let's see nine, Well he came out.
I guess it would have come out last night said
expect to be a leading candidate for head coaching. Vagacies
with the Giants and Panthers said Tuesday he expects to
be right back where he was next season. I plan
on that. I certainly think I will be. I'm saying

(38:42):
that with tongue firmly and cheek myself, just talking about
all of this, and he says one thing people don't realize.
As coaches, we pick up our families, we rip them
out of our homes, we rip them out of the
places that they are. Sometimes you do that till you
get to a point where you find happy, you shouldn't
mess with happy. There's a lot to accomplish at Baylor,
and most importantly, it's just each and every year. I
want to put together a championship caliber team, and I

(39:04):
think we have a chance to be even better next
year than we are this year. More than money, it's
about the situation for my family. I'm always looking three, four,
five years down the line. I think we have a
chance to be a perennial national contender, to be in
the top ten, to be in the top five, and
to go to college football playoff and play in New
Year's Six Bowls. So that's what he said yesterday. Well,

(39:24):
of course he's about to play to them. I I know, Jeff, anybody,
I'm just telling you, like people that I didn't just
fall off the turn up truck um, turn up truck um.
You know what happens right now is this is why
you have an agent, is your agent deals with this.

(39:46):
So Matt Roy was preparing to play Auburn and his
agents dealing with the card negotiations or setting up you know,
certain visits and interviews. Georgia, Amen, not Abur. Sorry, Georgia.
I'm sorry over post Minnesota and Matt Rules kind of
kept abreast of the I think discussions, but not really

(40:08):
like hey, just you know, like okay, buddy, you handle it.
And when the game's over tonight, he'll probably talk to
his agent more in depthely about interviews and whatnot. So
you have kind of possible deniability there, Like I didn't
talk to the inn A NFL team as well, you
personally did not. Your agent for sure has been in
contact with the job. I think you have two interviews

(40:30):
set up, right, Giants and Cowboys maybe. Um So I
just like you guys, that's obviously the way it works. Um,
you know, think about Matt Rules. Actual I was talking
to a buddy yesterday about this on on my podcast,
um and you know, he's like, well, why is Matt
Roue getting all this love? And I'm like, well, if
you see what he did at Temple and when he
did it at Baylor, and he seems to be a

(40:52):
really good coach. And what I like about him is
he turned down the Brown's interview and I like that
he kind of knows what he wants, like he knows
he's just not taking interview to interview you. He wants
a specific job because stay at Baylor and you have
leveraged like that you should use it. And he understands
that he does have some leverage right now where he
wants to go. Yeah, And what you say about the Browns,

(41:13):
I mean, the Browns are one of those organizations where
delicious real short for a head coach because there's been
a whole lot of one and done scenarios there. But
the bigger story coming out of Cleveland is that John
Dorsey is out. Jimmy Haslem. He meets with Jimmy Haslm.
Here's what has them says. While John helped greatly improve
our team's talent, we were excited about the core players
on our roster. We fully recognize that our team did

(41:35):
not meet its potential on or off the field, and
additional changes in leadership give us the best opportunity for
success in the future. As the role of the general
manager continues to evolve in this league, we felt there
were areas that needed to be reassessed. Over the last
forty eight hours, We've had discussion with John about his role,
but could not come to an agreement on a position
that would enable him to remain with the organization. And

(42:00):
first thing I thought of, and I bet it's the
first thing you thought of as well, was man, Baker
Mayfield is losing friends in that building real quickly. Oh yeah,
this is this is not good for for him, um
as a potential franchise quarterback, because these are his boys, right.
He personally wanted Freddy Kitchens as his coach John Dorsey

(42:22):
draft and we know that how much that can mean,
you know, to to a quarterback as you you have
you guys in the room. And so now to hire
a new coach who is not really tied to bank
a new GM, they're not tied to Baker Mayfield. I
mean there's a chance Baker Mayfield is is you know,
there's a competition brought in and someone else beats him
out for a job, Like there's there's nothing holding a staff,

(42:42):
a new staff from playing Baker Mayfield. And so I
hope he's ready for the new reality. I think that
he is unaware, continually unaware of the business of the
NFL UM and how you're supposed to act and and
and molley yourself as a franchise court. We saw him arguing,
you know, yelling at Bengals fans as are talking to him,
and look, dude, you're gonna have people talk to you

(43:03):
during the game. You're gonna have fans heck on you.
You have to be the adult. And you know, I
just I can't. And I was right about the Browns.
I didn't. I was too because I did not think
he'd be this bad as a quarterback, um, and I
think the team would be this bad. I just I
it's amazing to see how many commercials he has and

(43:25):
the axpictations that were placed upon him when he was
not ready for any of this. He is, he is
not ready, but mentally his maturity to be NFL starting
quarterback right now. And I hope that he realizes that.
I hope that a new coach and new general manager
can bring the best out of him, because right now
he doesn't have it. He doesn't have it, um. And

(43:47):
the last draw for me was him arguing with with
with the Bengals fans. I mean, dude, come on, man,
like who you're gonna get a heckled? Get over it.
You are you are the franchise quarterback, dude, like you
or the the head, the head of your franchise. You
are the forward facing, you know, player of your franchise.

(44:08):
You have to be above talking back to fans that
are heckling you. And then of course they went out
and play terribly too, which is really the worst part
about all that. So Banker, if it has lost all
the friends in the building, it would not surprise me
if they brought a new GM in and they decided
to try to give him competition or start new at
that position. Um. And then Baker Mayfield is you know,

(44:29):
goes you know, the route of the backup quarterback for
a while. And I'm not sure he's ready for that
life right now, but it's the life that's probably coming
through many things. If he doesn't shape up this off season,
I hope someone can get to him and talk to
him about his behavior and the way he acts. And
I tell you, you know, we we we talked about
the Bowl games and how players might not be as prepared.
I said this about Baker all offseason, these commercials he

(44:51):
was doing. No, I know he's preparing. I know, I don't.
I don't think he wasn't preparing. But the you know,
just the mindset I think you've arrived in the NFL.
When you have it is very dangerous. And I felt
like Baker thought he had arrived before he had and
his place showed this year that he had he had
not arrived. Yeah, I think we know that, and yes

(45:17):
he Yeah, the problem is how blind he is to
his own problems, to his own faults, to his own arrogance,
because he's been out there more than so many other people.
He's a hot dog, he's a front runner. He's you know,
doing what he did in Ohio state. He's grabbing himself.
I guess Nebraska, or maybe it's Kansas, Think it was Kansas.

(45:38):
He's doing all of those things. If you're doing those things,
then you're definitely gonna be heckled because you're a target
at that point in time. You are somebody that maybe
the fans think they can get underneath the skin of,
and once they think you're immature, they're definitely gonna think
that they can get underneath your skin, and it's just
gonna get worse. There was a maturity issue, There was
a volatility surrounding that entire are just grouping of players

(46:02):
that Dorsey had put together. Yeah, they're very talented, but
how was it going to work or was it just
going to be a powder keg waiting to be lit,
and it turned out to be the ladder. I don't
know how those guys get along, like, I don't know
how friendly they are or how they feel about one
another or whatever, but it just it seemed like it
was a car crash waiting to happen, and that's what

(46:23):
took place, and ultimately that's what costs Dorsey everything that
he was doing. I don't know what the restructuring nonsense was,
but that sounded like a lot of lift service. I
think they wanted to like do more of the analytics.
Right again, and bro Dorse said, no, so this isn't
like news, but maybe it's official news now. But there's

(46:45):
breaking news right now that the Redskins have named Ron
rivera head coach. I thought we kind of knew this yesterday.
Right now again, yes, yes, that's what I'm seeing on
my television screen right now, breaking news. Redskins name Ron
rivera head coach. I guess it's just they hadn't aimed
it yet. You know those you know, those breaking news
banners will play for anything the cat is outside breaking

(47:05):
news like they doesn't. They were etrap Port report yesterday
that this deal was done. Yeah, that's what I saw,
and um, good for Roun. I like ron A lot Um.
He's the guy that Cleveland should have targeted adults, adult
in the room. Okay, so the Redskins and you look
at Cleveland as examples of this kind of stuff, but

(47:28):
especially Cleveland, they need some kind of a CEO type
where yeah, they need a father figure kind of guy.
They don't need a Freddie Kitchens. They never did. They
need a Ron Rivera. And you know, I actually heard
this describe by I guess it's Robert Mays and Kevin
Clark we're talking about it. I was down on Marvin
Lewis Um in his last few years in Cincinnati, and

(47:50):
they did make a very valid point about him, and
they made the same point about Ron Rivera, which is
you have to appreciate the guy that comes to an
into a situation where it has been difficult to win
or where it's really bad when they get there, and
you have to appreciate taking a team from awful to competent,
that there are guys that are capable of that. I mean,

(48:11):
the Bengals couldn't win forever and then he came in
and they were at least win in seven eight nine games.
He brought them at least somewhere, and he played the
adult in the room as the argument they were making.
The only problem I had with that that description of
him was that his team was completely immature almost the
whole time he was there, Like they had so many
incidents off the field. Marvin Lewis, Um, I think that's fair.

(48:37):
But you know he did get into and remember but
they won with him. But I felt like he did
clean some of that identity. He tried and he I
think he tried. But remember, I think this is I'm
not talking about. I mean a lot of it. Your
tone for your franchise is set from your ownership, right,
and the Brown fawnership. The Bengals ownership UM not not
the best. And so you know, specifically the runner of

(49:00):
because I play with him in Carolina and I followed
his career in Charlotte, and um, I don't think it's
enough credit for the way he handled Cam nowon the
way that he was he was the pr wing for
the Panthers. The owner never spoke. General managers don't speak.
There were controversies in the locker room. There were controversies

(49:21):
with Cam. Controversy within it. He handled all that with
class and a dignity. He got the most of Camra.
He designed an offense that was specifically designed to help Cam.
We we talked a lot about what Harbo did for
Lamar Jackson. Well Hart, you know Ron ever did that
with Cam Newton, and so he doesn't get enough credit
for it. I think it's a great higher and and

(49:41):
the Browns need to hire someone like this. Who is that,
someone like someone like Ron Rivera who was out there
that fits that bill. I mean, I don't know that
Marvin Lewis is the guy. Yeh, Marvin Lewis, Um McCarthy,
I don't think he's the same. Um Well, I mean
mcarthy's actually great fit for it for the Panthers. Um.

(50:02):
You know there's talk now of Joshua Daniels possibly getting
that gig, which I don't know if that's great. Uh yeah,
I don't know, you know, I just we just gossed
just five minutes ago. You know, some of this just
falls on Baker. Just be an adult and grow up
and mature and stop arguing with fans and stop doing commercials.
And you feel like that's gonna happen. No, or do
you feel like, that's just not who he is. I

(50:23):
don't know that's who he is. I don't either. I
think I think he might be a little bit too
close to Johnny Manziel than Russell Wilson. This trip on
the shoulder thing is great, trust me, I have one too.
But dude, you're the number one pick in the NFL draft, right,
you have made it. You don't have to have a
chip in your shoulder anymore. That's the same. And that's

(50:43):
what I didn't like about Dabbo. That's the only thing
I didn't like about Dabbo continuing talking about little old Clemson.
It's like a little old Clemson. What are you talking about, bro?
I guess, I guess we're playing LSU. Now, yeah, you
are Dabbo and you know that. Yeah, you've won two
the last three national championships. Yeah, that's very fair with
with Dabo. But you know, you know Joe Burrow who

(51:04):
talks about, you know, kind of being like an under underdog. Dude,
you went to Ohio State at l s U. You
can get what you can get on the field. Ohio State, though,
that was the whole point, is that underdog. But it's like, dude,
you went to a house and L s U like,
let's get it. You can on the field Ohio State,

(51:25):
but like not not. I know, we weren't playing a
ball state here, what I know, So you're not really
an underdog. But look, I get being motivated by haters
and by people to believe you have a list on
my phone of of people that told me I couldn't
play in the NFL. Coaches really yeah, Um, I don't
look at it as much anymore, but I did when
I was playing. Like, I understand being motivated, trust me,

(51:46):
I get it. But being mature is also part of
the job. And I don't think Baker Mayfield has shown
understanding of being of being mature. And then he gets
it that he needs to change the way he approaches
the game, and I don't ever get it, and exactly
I think he can't be very talented, But um, you
gotta find the right coach. And again, I'm not sure

(52:07):
that all people want to take that job. Yeah, I
mean I think that that's I think eventually Baker Mayfield
needs to decide do I want to be great or
do I want to stick it to people? And there's
nobody left to stick it to. He's the number one
pick in the NFL draft. So just go do your job.
Just go win football games and be great and live
up to being the number one pick in the NFL draft,

(52:29):
and the rest of it will take this is this
is actually good for anybody in any walk of life.
If you handle yours in most cases, the rest of
it's going to take care of itself. The rest of
us gonna handle itself. Everybody will talk about how great
he is if he would just stop telling us and
stop playing with it or stop acting maybe not playing

(52:49):
with He can play with the chip on his shoulder
all he wants, but acting that way and acting out
seemingly in that way, that's the mistake. And I don't
know the there, I don't know who the guy is.
It's gonna get it through to him or if he's
just gonna be one of those great Well he could
have been great, but situations because of just the things

(53:10):
that have nothing to do with his acumen on the field. Yeah. Um,
By the way, the breaking youth for Rivera is the
Redskins announced this. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The team
has announced the officially. I guess that's that, But it
was already there, but now they've said it's true, so
um it uh, it's official. And we have one coach down,
and we have the Cowboys that we have that we've

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still got their guy. They've still got their guy in Dallas.
Jason Garrett still in the saddle right now with the Cowboys.
We'll see for how long. There's a lot of people
saying things right now that are a little bit weird. Um,
we talked about, Yeah, you know what, let's actually get
into that. Let's talk about how easy it can be

(53:52):
to start burying the Patriots. And I think this is
where we're gonna bring in Dub, who's here with me
in Nashville, because I heard Colin Calhert make this parison,
and I've made this comparison in the past, but I
haven't extrapolated it as far as the decline of the
team that they're often compared to in a different sport.
It's one of Dubb's favorite teams. So we'll talk about

(54:12):
that when we come back. Telephone numbers eight seven ninety
nine on Fox. That's six three six nine. Yes, breaking news.
The Redskins have hired Ron Rivera as their new head coach.
They have announced it now the organization has officially announced it.
So that is one job that was opened for a
very short time that no longer is in congratulations to
Ron Rivera. I've never met him, but I've heard he's

(54:36):
a fantastic human being and just a really really good dude.
And if you wanted any information about that, you can
just look at how the Panthers played once he left.
We'll be right back. Talk kicked the cover jump Fox
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bringing us back. We're laughing the Geiko Oar Kick Studios.
I kicked to coverage radio program on this first day
of January twenty. That means time to say happy New
Year from all of us in Fox Sports Radio to
all of you guys, Thanks for hanging out, Jason Martin,
Jeff Schwartz with you and for Clay Travis. Clay will
be back tomorrow. So I was looking at this during
the break, I saw that rabbit Rabbit was trending on

(55:22):
Twitter and so immediately went to find out why. And
it's this like long standing superstition, especially overseas that if
you wake up to start a year or start a
month and say rabbit rabbit or white rabbit, it's good luck.
And I was thinking to myself, if I need to
say rabbit rabbit, I'd probably just assume have a bad year.

(55:45):
Like I don't know that I need to wake up
in the morning the first thing. And I've already spoken
way too much today. I've spoken an hour in twenty
six minutes on the radio as of you, Jeff. So
I guess we're destined not to have a great year
because we didn't say rabbit rabbit fast enough. I saw
Steve Correll four hours ago tweeted it out. Uh so
there's like a lot of people that did this, seventy
seven thousand tweets, people just saying rabbit rabbit trending in

(56:09):
the United States. So I guess now I've said it
several times, So maybe I don't know. Maybe the rabbit
rabbit deities can be on my side here. I wouldn't
mind being good. Twenty nineteen was a banger though for me,
So I'm cool either way. I didn't say it last year,
and last year worked out. But yeah, I had never
heard the rabbit rabbit thing, and based on your reaction,
I imagine you didn't either. I had not, and I'm

(56:31):
not gonna say it. Um I think I'll survive. I
I just I don't believe any of that stuff. Just
like it. If you don't, like you were back in
the day with email chains, if you don't send this
to seven people right now, you're going to have a
terrible week. It's like, uh, how about how about No,

(56:54):
you also might have a terrible week because you just
ruined twenty seven other people's day by sending him an
eme knowl that they didn't want exactly, So I I
don't know. I'm not doing that. I don't believe in it. Um.
I just I can't believe this is where we are sometimes,
but I can't believe we're at this spot. The New
England Patriots are hosting the Tennessee Titans on Saturday night.

(57:16):
It's an intriguing matchup because you got highest passer in
the league. Yes that's Ryan Tannehill, and you have the
NFL rushing champion that's also with the Tennessee Titians with
Derrick Henry. And I think that it gets real easy
to write off the New England Patriots every year, and
there are a lot of people in the media that

(57:37):
make a living trying to do that every single year,
because eventually they're gonna be right and they're gonna pack
themselves on the back like they were never wrong. For
the decade that came before, or the fifteen years that
came before. New England lost to Miami on Sunday. That
was kind of unbelievable in its own right, especially to
lose in Foxborough. So now you would be saying they're

(57:58):
gonna lose back to back in Foxboro. Here's why I
wanted to bring Doub Yarbro who is here in Nashville
with me. Um. He's a big Spurs fan, and I
saw Calherd do this and I've done this before too.
Compared the Patriots to the to the Spurs in terms
of well run organizations with elite coaches, with pure winners.
Uh as, they're kind of centerpieces of their franchise. The

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problem was, eventually the Spurs became the team that still
had all those legends that were going into the Hall
of Fame, but they were no longer that team that
you couldn't beat. And that happened a few years ago
I'm not maybe a little bit more than a few
years ago. They're still like you see the Spurs and
you worry about them, but you really shouldn't worry about
them anymore. And I think that Calherd was making the

(58:42):
argument on the Herd that the Patriots are now the Spurs,
whereas you don't really fear them anymore, They're not the same.
I don't think I'm ready to go there quite yet.
I need to see them get boat raced out of
the playoffs and look bad in doing so before I'm
willing to go there. But dub is a huge Spurs
fan from that area. There's legitimacy to that as as

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it relates to the Spurs, and you could see how
maybe that's what we could be seeing with the Patriots.
I just haven't seen enough to go there yet. Yeah,
I think I think we're on pace for that, But
as for that being true today, I can't say that.
I I still if I'm a Titans fan and we
both live here in the Nashville area, all the talk
is how this Titans team is going to go to Foxborg,

(59:28):
Foxboro and going to win, and that would make me
incredibly nervous if I'm a Titans fan because if you
take that team lightly in that building in this scenario,
not lightly, but if you assume things, I wouldn't get
too far ahead of myself because this is a team
that's been there and done that in the Patriots, and
this is another team with the Titans, that's been there

(59:49):
a few times, but they haven't been able to do that.
So the in my opinion, the Titans have had a
couple of playoff appearances in recent years, but I think
this is the first year that you can realistically say
this team could go on run based on the way
they've played the last eight weeks. I don't think that's
held true in their previous playoff appearances. So there's a
real belief with this Titans team, which I think is

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necessary if you are going to go up to New
England and win a football game. But I would just
be cautious and nervous if I'm a Titans fan with
just the vibe and the talk around town, because everyone
I talked to, everyone I listened to, all they're saying
is this is our time. We're gonna go up to
New England and win against the Patriots in Foxborough. And
I would I would just be a little bit more

(01:00:33):
nervous than that. I agree. I mean, that's that's my
take on it as well. Every single phone call that
I've taken in Nashville this week they said the Titans
are gonna beat the Patriots. Every single one I know,
and there's talk here in this city Jeff about three
headed monster with Ryan Tannehill, Derrick Henry, and a J. Brown.
Ryan Tannehill, who is on quite a streak and looks

(01:00:56):
really good, Derrick Henry, who is a beast, and a J.
Brown who was a beast but a rookie wide receiver.
Those dudes have never been in this situation before ever.
Almost nobody on the Titans roster has real experience like
this and going to Foxboro and playing against that team
in this situation. I'm not even sure that the Patriots

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in the regular season or anywhere close to what they
seem to become when they get to the postseason. They're
just in that spot where I can't call them dead.
And I've even had people say, hey, you know, the
national people are gonna come around, They're gonna talk about
the Titans earlier in the week, and then when we
get to Friday and Saturday, They're all gonna pick New
England exactly because you have to do what's most anticipatory,

(01:01:40):
what you expect to happen. You don't base it on
the aberration. You base it on history and what you've seen.
I think the Titans are a more talented team top
to bottom in the New England Patriots. I don't know
that that's gonna matter on Saturday night. I'm I haven't
made the prediction yet, I have a feeling, but I
do think that it is amazing how fast people want

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to bury the Patriots. It's interesting that, Um, I feel
like I'm in the minority. Yeah, I mean, this is
a team that has struggled all year offensively, especially defensively.
You know, the first part of the season, the conversation
was is this defense the greatest defense in NFL history?
And I think we can say with confidence now that
that was more of a product of the teams they

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were playing, because their schedule has gotten a lot more
difficult in the second half than it wasn't the first half.
Because the first half of the season, if you go
look at their schedule, it was just a bunch of
bad teams and they beat up on them, as they
should have. But once they got into the second half
of the season where they played games against teams like
the Texans and the Chiefs and the Tennessee Titans, I
think they're true. They're truer colors came came to the

(01:02:43):
fold and there's still a good defense in my opinion.
But that last game against Miami, which I think is
the main reason behind all this talk about the Titans
having a great chance to go up there and win.
Ryan Fitzpatrick in that offense really picked that defensive part.
I mean, he looked like an all time great out there. Honestly,
Fox to get another job exactly in Foxborro against that

(01:03:04):
defense that is a good defense. But but yeah, I
think combining that performance defensively from the Patriots and the
way the Titans offense has looked the second half of
the season, I think that's, you know, the main cause
of the confidence with Tennessee Titans fans and a lot
of people around the country thinking that Tennessee can go
up there and get the win. We are alive from
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(01:03:48):
a second, but I think we've gotten that worked out now,
So Jeff, the Patriots and the Titan Look in Nashville,
there's a whole lot of fervor saying the Titans are
just gonna go heard handle, I heard the whole thing.
We're still I don't know. I don't know why the
thing happened, but I don't know. Is there something's going
on with it? I'm here, go ahead. Uh Dub did

(01:04:09):
a good job filling in when when I might talk
and nothing because nothing came out over the air. Um
I I said this to myself. I guess a second
ago that Um it feels like picking the Patriots, which
I'm gonna do. Is the minority opinion, which is wild
to me. This is the Patriots you ever lost? A
home playoff game like ten years Folks like I don't,

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And it looks you're thinking about the Titans. It's great,
and I look and I think the Titans can win
this game. I'm not saying they can't. UM. I just
wouldn't pick against the Patriots. And we know this. What
are the Patriots have done best over there over the
span at least the last couple of years. Right when
no one thinks we're good, we're going to go ahead
and win the game. Right and right now every person

(01:04:53):
is down to the Patriots. Now. Times are a great
story right leading Russia. Ryan Tannehill's crushy and a play
action pass A J. Brown has been great. But you
guys mentioned it. They had not been here before. And
quite honestly, you know, do you think that if the
Texans were playing their full complement of players they would
have won that game? And gun in anyways? I mean,
there's there's a possibility that. I don't know. I don't

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think the Texans are that great personally. I think I
think they would have split those games. I think they
lose the Bills. Um. But the idea that tensions come
in there, and I saw someone today said two touchdowns.
What excuse me? Yeah, I guess it's possible. Um, but uh,
let's see how this goes before we we bury the Patriots. Um,

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they have the number one defense in the league. And
I will say this about the Titans and maybe you
guys can help me out on this too, because it
feels like this has to be the year with tan
Hill because historically speaking, Tannell will not play this well
next season, and historically meaning about Tannehill or just a
quarterback like this in this situation one kind of like

(01:05:57):
a one hit wonder type of thing. We I mean,
here's a guy I was Actually somebody asked me to
compare who I would compare Ryan Tannehill too, And the
name that came to mind was a rich Gannon with
the Raiders who had been with like three teams before
he got to Oakland and was three or four years
older than Ryan Tannehill is now and ended up with
a three or four year run that also got them

(01:06:20):
to a Super Bowl. Now they lost to the Bucks,
but he was he was on like an m v
P level pace when he was out there as a quarterback.
He had that completions record in Denver, which I'll never
forget because it was against my football team on Monday
Night football. I think that I mean, if you get Tannehill,
let's say Tannehill isn't a one year wonder and this
is legit to him and Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinator,

(01:06:42):
that there is legitimate stuff there and him and A. J.
Brown have great chemistry and the way that this team
is built up. Uh, Tannehill was right for it, and
maybe Adam Gates was to blame for a lot of
the things that went wrong. If you were to get
a rich Gannon kind of run out of Ryan Tannehill,
that's worth the weight in gold, especially when you brought
him in to be the backup for Marcus Mariotta. Except

(01:07:04):
it's such a different time than when which Ganton did it. Okay,
I mean just as far as what we expect that
our quarterbacks, um, and I just I don't I think.
I think, I think it can happen. But like I said,
historically speaking, we have not seen someone be able to

(01:07:27):
have kind of a year like Ryantown and then do
it next season. Okay, Um, I just it's weird because
I felt the same way I've tried to kind of
hold the brakes and all these things, and I just
keep watching these games because I cover this team and
I see a guy I don't know what. I don't

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know what the comparison is. Really, Gannon is the closest
thing that I could come to. He has the highest
passion of writing in the league right now. I also
remember Alex Smith had that, and then Mahomes took his
job and Alex Smith was sent away after he had
the highest rating in Kansas City a few years ago. Um,
you know, it could be a perfect storm. It could
be just a ten game run. But man from a

(01:08:10):
two and four team to then go seven and three
and do what they were able to do and now
they had their fourth nine and seven record ever. But
this one feels different because of how hard they had
to work and the one change that seemed to to
change it around. Let me ask you this, if they
were to go to New England, Tannehill played his guts
out and they won that game and he threw for

(01:08:31):
a couple of scores and was careful with the ball,
would that change the way you felt about him or
do you just still feel like at this point everything
he does as part of this one run, and there's
not anything that tells you he can sustain it. To me,
it feels like, again, this is just uh the run
that he's on right now. I don't think it's gonna
be terribly sustainable. Um. I mean, of course, I'm i's

(01:08:54):
a wrong. You know that. Maybe that's a great thing
if I'm wrong for you, for Tennessee Titans fans, But
I don't see this being I just don't see this
being a long term thing. It's a great one year
run and hopefully it works out in the end. But
if they put there there money at the Tannehill, that's scary, man. No,

(01:09:14):
it's frightening to me too. But I think at this point,
I think what you're gonna see is a three year deal.
There's some some people obviously here that that know as
much about this as me and more so, and have
said they're expecting a four year deal with a lot
of it frontloaded. That's gonna feel like a three year deal.
But that that's what's probably gonna happen. They're not gonna franchise,

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and which is what I thought they might do. Um,
And they're they're gonna go ahead and say he's the guy,
and they're gonna bet on him, and I've seen you know,
I don't know if it's it was Mike Tanier, I
think a bleacher report and said, hey, they're about to
overpay for a hot streak in Nashville. Yeah, that's everyone thinks.
But how long? How long does a hot streak go

(01:09:56):
before it starts to feel like, wait, maybe this thing
is real, Like maybe this is not just I mean
ten games. I know ten games is not a lot
in the long stretch, but he's been playing great for
two thirds of an NFL season, and he's taken a
team to the playoffs in the process, and a team
that was being led by a defense that was holding
teams to fifteen point two points per game in the

(01:10:17):
first half of the year and has really not been
good at all over the last four to six weeks defensively.
And really it's been the fact that the offense is
scoring so many points that has put them into the postseason.
So Tannehill should get a lot of credit for what
he's done. And I'm not saying he should get credit
for it. I just I just think that, you know,

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we in order to buy into someone, you typically need
more than ten games. I mean, this is with Baker
Mayfield right, Oh, my god, played great tend the season,
He's the best ever. And then you're like, uh, maybe
he's not. I just I think you need longer than
one season to the side if someone's good or not.
And so would you franchise him? Is that what you
would do? I would would you let him walk? I

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think I give him. I try to get him on
a two year deal and draft somebody too, if I could.
You think there's somebody out there to pay thirty million
a year for Ryan Tannehill based on what we've seen, No,
no team at all. Ah, I don't. It's just one
of somebody's gonna be right and somebody's gonna be really

(01:11:25):
wrong when to be such a mistake. But I maybe
I don't know, man. I probably the teams, I mean,
Tampa is probably gonna keep Jamiss. I mean the Bears
said there gonna keep Trabisky. But obviously that might change.
Is to get more, you know, more along the path
of freatency. Um, I don't think so think about it.

(01:11:51):
Think about it. During the bat we're talking about a
lot of weird things. Yeah, we're thinking about a lot
of weird things being said by NFL teams. Less Need
of the Rams said something you might think is weird,
but it also might just be the kind of thing
that you have to say in less need uh, in
his position in his shoes. Well, we'll tell you about that.
Next this out Kick to cover John Fox Sports Radio.

(01:12:12):
This is Outkicked the coverage with Clay Traffics. We are
back on out Kick Jeff Schwartz alongside Jason Martin counting
down to the top of our three. We talked about
the Titans and Patriots as we head into the playoffs.
News Officially Ron Rivera, the new head coach of the

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Washington Redskins. That press conference will be at two pm tomorrow.
As it is New Year's it makes sense to to
to push that. We look around the NFL with it
with the coaching. We have the opening in Cleveland, we
have the opening uh presumably in Dallas, the opening with
the Giants as well, and we look at it top jobs, uh,

(01:12:54):
something that we like to do this time of year. Um,
you know, the Brown's job very attractive with the play
as they have in place, but the Cowboys job when
it Availa, when eventually comes open. I think it's the
one team we look at as a coach coming in
right away and having the ability to win now, even
if Jerry Jones is still involved in the data operations,

(01:13:15):
which I argue he needs to do away with what
he said he will not do away with yesterday. But
you have a situation where you have Dad Prescott and
Zeke your offensive line, your defensive players as well after
resign a, Mark Cooper and and Dac of course, but
that job, to me, if you can get a quality
coach that can make your team better. There's a difference
in the NFL between just a good coach. Jason Geartt

(01:13:36):
is a good coach, right he gets he gets his
team to win the division in the playoffs, But you
need to coach this time of year, in the playoffs
who can elevate your team above and Bob. We see
what Bill belchick all the time. I think we're gonna
see it with with Kyle Shanahan now with the Niners.
We've seen it with Sean Payne. We've seen it with
Andy Reid, who has not had as much playoffs success
as I think people would like to see him have,

(01:13:57):
but nonetheless he gets there every year and his team's
win playoff games. We see the elevation of a team
this time of year, and that's what the Cowboys need
to get. And their job is supremely attractive in my
opinion and something that I I hope they can find
the right coach. It might have to be Matt Rule,
it might have to be Lake and Riley, who I

(01:14:20):
think people have talked about is maybe taking that job.
I do not see that happening. I feel like he
is a guy at Oklahoma who has everything he wants
there and come into the NFL. He would need to
get a lot of money and also be in charge
of personnel, which is something that we know Jerry Jones
and Stephen Jones his son, are not going to to
give up ever. So that's that's what the Cowboys job

(01:14:43):
has not been talked about, I think as much because
it's not technically open right now, even though it should
be pretty soon. But that's a sweet gig and that's
a team I could see this time next year with
Ason I are hosting on on a New Year's talking
about being the playoffs and being a team that has
a great chance to play for that Super Bowl, which
obviously is the goal every single year in the NFL.

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And Um We'll see if you can do that. I
will come back at the top of the hour. We'll
talk about the NFL playoff matchups. What we expect on Sunday.
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here on Fox Sports Radio. Glad Have you with this?
Plays back tomorrow. Jason Martin, Jeff Schwartz. Happy New Year
to you, everybody, everyone else, and happy New Year to you.
Absolutely we're live studios. Go ahead. Did you stay up
for New Year's Um? I was. We missed the ball drop.

(01:15:51):
We went out to dinner. We me and my wife
went out to the same place we went out to
a year ago when we went from being best friends
to something more, and so we went to the exact
same restaurant. We kind of tried to recapture some of
you know, I played the same music in the car
that we were listening to on the way there and
stuff like that, and we had some fun there and

(01:16:12):
then we just went back home and did what fairly
older people do at this point, which is just kind
of not get all crazy and yeah, pretty much like
we were laying in bed around eleven o'clock and we
woke back up a little bit after midnight for a
couple of minutes, but nothing, nothing to major, especially knowing
that my wake up call was three forty am to
come here and do this show. And she was on

(01:16:33):
call yesterday, which meant all afternoon and all evening long.
I think she had I think she took over fifty
calls from parents, um, because she was the on call
doctor for the for the clinic that she works at,
and everybody had something going on last night. Hopefully all

(01:16:53):
those kids were all right, so she was constantly We're
like we were. She got phone calls at one am
and all sorts of stuff. So it was it wasn't
going to be one of those kind of days. But
you know, we had a few drinks and we just
kind of reminisced on the year, and we're gonna spend
some time today looking at what we want to accomplish
in and watching some football, probably watching a movie and

(01:17:14):
taking a walk and just kind of just keeping it
nice and on the level Um, I think that's that's
a smart way to play. We're not downtown folk. Nashville
has a really cool downtown Nashville deal New Year's Eve deal.
It's just it's just not for me. Man. I'm we're
not neither one of us are that big a fan
of crowds. Um. I will say movie wise, uncut Jams.

(01:17:34):
I saw yesterday, first time I've seen a movie that
was not a kid's movie in a theater in years. Um,
really good. It was a lot of yeah, yeah, I said,
just side a movie theater by myself in the middle
afternoon yesterday. It was eight dollar that day. It was awesome.
Pull popcorn and uh, a little Dike coke by the way,
a little Dike coke, A small Dike cocona movie theater

(01:17:56):
is like eighty two ounces of beverage. Yeah, yeah, small
as if you get more than a small at this point,
you've you've gotten You've done this thing wrong. Yeah. And
then I just watched the movie. Um, you know, skip
some Bowl games and you know, I didn't really cover
the Sun Bowl, but I didn't really want to watch it.
And then it was an enjoyable little New Year's even.
Now we're in New Uhies exciting. It would be a

(01:18:20):
great year, hopefully. So you said, you said, um, you
told me that in addition uncut gyms, you've taken your
kids to a couple of films over the over the holidays,
the last couple of weeks. No, no, not no no.
When I said that you I met like I took
to my kids like a movie. Like six months ago,
my parents took come to see Frozen two when they
were in town. So you dodged Frozen too. I took

(01:18:42):
him to Peter Rabbit. Okay, I mean that was it
just Peter Rabbit. I think I took out Peter Rabbit
creep you out? Uh No, I would creep you out.
Do they creep me out in general? Or just the
c g I Rabbits the c g I Rabbits? Okay, no,
well Rabbit, no no. I kind of joked that they do,

(01:19:05):
but not really the only thing it's weird is, you know,
Peter Rabbit wearing a jacket and no pants. But that
goes for a lot of different cartoon characters. That's a
fair point. The jacket. No, it's a fair open jacket too,
Like it's not a jacket with a shirt. Underneath it.
It is a and this is the way that Beatrix
Spotter wanted, I guess, but it was like an open
jacket and no pants, and I'm just like, why are

(01:19:26):
we wearing a jacket here? Like, why are we why
are we adding clothing to this at all? Because then
you realize that there's only partial clothing being worn and
we've got porky pig out here. Um, that's really interesting.
I didn't think I didn't think about like that. Um okay,
well that's okay, Well now you kind of maybe ruined
My apologies for that. It's just I just I didn't

(01:19:50):
think that's where we're going this morning. But here we are.
Here we are, Okay. Peter Rabbit is naked all right?
Uh now Rabbit is a flasher because he's got his
jacket open. Now when I watched this, I'll have to
look at a lot differently. Enjoy that sequel coming out
in a few years. Yeah, Peter Rabbit too. Yeah, I

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saw There's Bad Boys come out again. Yeah, it's coming
out in January this month. The movie, the movie you
see this month is nineteen. That's the thing that's worth
going to see. That things screened here in Naturale like
four or five weeks ago. That's got serious award buzz
for a reason. So the day is this right that
I heard they filmed the movie all in one one shot? Yes,

(01:20:33):
it is indeed correct. How is that possible? So probably
there's some tricks. They just didn't stop filming pretty much.
They did over shows that have tried to do that before.
I mean, David Fincher used to be known for these long,
droning one shots where the camera would pan down a

(01:20:54):
building and nothing would change. And then I think Mr
Robot had an episode that was supposed to look like
that there were no cuts, but they were actually like
twelve cuts. They were just done so seamlessly you could
not see them. I don't know exactly what the story
is in nineteen seventeen, if there are tricks involved, or
if they actually pulled it off, but I can tell
you from a visual standpoint is super oppressive. Um, whatever

(01:21:16):
was done is miraculous, and it's it's really good. My
thing on war movies is always the same Generally, I've
kind of seen I mean I've seen a war movie before.
I've seen several of them, so it doesn't usually get
me out of my seat. But this is an interesting
story and it's well done. Uh I, it's not gonna
win Best Picture, but it's gonna get a share of nominations,

(01:21:38):
um and deservedly so. So it's it's it's something to
check out this month if you have not seen it.
The other thing I would say that's just more on
brand for this particular show and this network in general
with Fox is UM four versus Ferrari is very good,
extremely good movie. Baale is outrageously good in it, Damon's

(01:21:58):
really good in it. It's just really good. Like I
actually put it in my top five. It did not
make the nominations for the Film Critics Association I'm a
part of, but I think I was the one who
voted for it that highly. But I thought it was real,
really well done. Um better than you would anticipate. Whether
you're a race fan or not, you have a vote
and all that stuff. Yes, look at you, a big,

(01:22:21):
powerful guy whatever you're When when they when someone comes
up to they think the Academy, you're part of the
I'm not. No, I'm not part of the I'm not
that voting. I'm not part of that. I'm part of
the film I'm part of a smaller film critics association,
maybe I could get there. I don't know. Man, I
was like, oh, well, now I'll watch these broad shows differently,
thing that you are the big dog choosing the movies. Well,

(01:22:44):
a lot of the things end up getting nominated, uh,
first go through like local and state level and different
other organizations to do voting. That then kind of build
momentum for things. So like when we put out our
Music City Film Critics Association awards, you know, those get
tabulated in and that's why all the studios are now
sending us all their stuff um to make sure that

(01:23:06):
we don't overlook it. So that's why I have this
stack of things at home, some of which I have
not had a chance to see. Quite frankly, you only
have so many hours in the day, especially when you're
newly married. I'd be very bad at this job at
critics because a critic because my bar for movies this
wasn't entertained or not done. Oh I mean, I think

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that's a smart bar for people to have it. And
there's a lot of movies, by the way, that have
one best picture that would fail that. Really. Yeah, this
century especially look like I mean, well, I mean, there's
just a lot of stuff that like, I mean, we're
a lot of people watching um Shape of you know,

(01:23:47):
Shape of Water, and some of the things that have
one have been real artsy films as opposed to ones
that made a lot of money. I think. I think
we've talked about this before that like, if you look
back in the nineties, a lot of movies were winning
Best Picture that we're gigantic kids like Gladiator and Lord
of the Ring, Returned of the King and a Beautiful
Mind and and things like that, I mean, Lord of

(01:24:09):
the Rings, and then for some reason around I can't
remember the last one, the King's Speech, I think is
the last one that one that had, like, had made
a ton of money, and the King's Speech should not
have won over the social network. Um, but pretty much
everything has come out this decade is one best picture
made almost no money and most of the people in

(01:24:29):
the country never saw it. And I don't know why
that change is made, except that a lot of the
films that win now start to try to teach a
lessons and you know, social change and all of these
kinds of things. I mean, the truth of the matter
is the best movies you know, a lot of people
don't see what the critics call the best movies, and
I think that that might have actually changed this year

(01:24:50):
because there have been some that have actually made money
that had mainstream appeal. But one of the reasons I
suggest that the Academy Award, just the ratings on t
V have gone down because nobody's seen the movies that
have been nominated, because they're being nominated by very pretentious, overwrought,
you know, social justice folk. That it just it hasn't

(01:25:11):
played very well with much of America. Like if Endgame
gets a Best Picture nomination, I think that the Academy
awarded voting in the night that the actual thing runs,
the ratings on TV will be a lot better because
people will have seen that. But I think in hell
that you're probably gonna have Once upon a Time in
Hollywood and yeah, Best Picture, I don't think. I don't
think it will get nominated, but it might have a shot.

(01:25:32):
But I mean, once upon a Time in Hollywood made
a lot of money. Um, there are films this year
that have made money that are gonna be in the
running for Best Picture, and that is going to be
to the benefit of people paying attention once it's time
to actually hand out these awards. So darn long. It
was awesome. Man, I loved it. Though it wasn't too

(01:25:54):
long for me. Well yeah, I just thought for me
it was like, is this gonna end? There were a
lot of long films this year as a matter of fact,
So did you see Yeah, The Irishman's very long. That's
another one. Like a lot of people watch that. You know,
there are a lot of people in movies that are
upset that that was not released at theaters because of
what it costs um potential box office numbers and a

(01:26:18):
movie industry that needs all the help it can get.
And for them to drop it on Netflix with selfish
and all this whatever, it's just showing everything's changing. I mean,
there were two movies on Netflix that I think might
get nominated for Best Picture, one of them The Irishman.
The other one is Marriage Story, which if it doesn't
get nominated for Best Picture, Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson
are almost surely going to get nominated, as is Bomboch,

(01:26:40):
the director. Uh So, that's two things right there on
Netflix that were premiered there, debuted there, and are there
right now that are probably gonna get Best Picture nominations.
The industry is changing, right, the way we watch absolutely
everything is changing. And I feel like the establishment that's
really bad word to eat is here because that sounds

(01:27:02):
it's just the old folks. It's the same people that
don't want to vote in Hall of Famers the first
time in Cooper's town. There's just some people that want
to hold onto antiquated notions. And I think the story
is we start this decade, whether it's sports or television
or movies or music or anything else, is how much
has changed in ten years and where are we gonna
be in that we don't see coming. I don't think

(01:27:22):
we saw streaming being what it turned out to be,
and the services being what they turned out to be,
and even the possibility of sports go in that direction
and starting to stream and going off of terrestrial TV.
I don't think we saw that coming, and here it
is right in front of us. So the logical thing
is Martin Scorsese to take a film that obviously would

(01:27:44):
have done very well in theaters because of his name
attached to it, not to mention De Niro and Pesci
and everybody else, and throwing that thing on Netflix and
saying I'm gonna get this to as big an audience
as I can because everybody's gonna enjoy this, and I'm
gonna make it available. We don't have to make you
go out to the movie theaters anymore. And that's what
we saw. I liked it, so I'm fine with it.

(01:28:08):
Was long. It was long, but it was I thought
it was still good. Oh yeah, sure, fine with me
to watch it on that on that platform. Yeah, right, exactly.
So I teased this the last hour about less sneed.
This just seems like the kind of thing you say.
But he was asked about Jared Goff and Todd Gurley,

(01:28:29):
and he said those are human beings that gave a
lot to this organization and deserved to be compensated. That
was the line saying that he doesn't regret signing either
one of them to their record breaking contracts. There is
precisely zero chance that that's true, right, that he actually
believes that. Yes, there's no way he believe that. But

(01:28:50):
that's the kind of thing you have to say when
they're both still your employees. Yeah, I can't imagine you
look at that that girly deal especially and be pleased
about it. Considering that there's the lack of production this
year and the team did not make the playoffs. I mean,
I guess Golf you could spin it is you know,
he is your friends. You have to kind of pay
for the quarterback. And that's sort of the part about
you know, being ah, but that's a super Bowl team

(01:29:14):
and then we're obviously in a super Bowl, Like, you
have to pay your quarterback. But the idea of paying
girly and being happy about that is just not accurate. Um,
it's it's set your franchise back. You cannot sign other
players that you probably wish you could have, you know
you could have signed. Um. It's really just not the

(01:29:34):
way to go about building your team. And I can't
imagine that they look back on that. Um Uh, it's
something that helped their team build up. Now Golf's cap
it next year is it's like thirty six million, um,
which is just absolutely wild. But look, you a lot

(01:29:55):
of teams are in this spot. And the Titans were
trying to get me in the spot too, like you
have to pay for a quarterback. You have to, and
you're kind of in this spot sometimes where you don't
have an elite quarterback. But he's not bad, and you
just kind of have to pay for him and hope
things work out best. And it feels like that's where
we're at with them, with Jared Goff and maybe Ryan

(01:30:17):
tan Hills. You have to pay for average because if
they play above the average first season, you have a
chance to win a super Bowl, and that's obviously the goal.
And and you kind of stuck, and so the times
might be stuck. The Rams obviously thought that Golf was
the guy. I still think he's their guy. Obviously, one
bad year doesn't doesn't really shouldn't persuade you to change
your opinion on it. But that's what it feels like,

(01:30:38):
is the what's happening in Los Angeles. Well, and and
then you look at the Rams even further. They were
trying to maximize a very short window, um, trying to
get the most out of what they could. And now
they don't have a first round pick until because they
gave up two of them to get well, I know

(01:30:58):
they're gonna and there's talk, but I'm training Aaron Donald
for more picks back. I mean that it's amazing how
it has changed out there, to say the least, um
the Goff deal who knows. It did not work out
this year. Maybe he takes good steps next year. I
don't know the girly thing. At this point, I think

(01:31:20):
we can we can look at differently. A couple of
guys that kept their jobs. I was a little surprised about.
Maybe we'll talk about next and Jacksonville looks like Doug
Maron's hanging around. Dave Gentleman's keeping his job, and he
had a pretty bang up quote saying, I'm not hard
to get along with, I'm not hard to work with.
But Gentleman is going to be back with the New
York Giants as a general manager there, which is kind

(01:31:43):
of amazing. And I know you know a little bit
about Gentleman, so we can talk about that. But Jaguar's
keeping their guy. And this happened actually before the end
of the season Sunday Night. But Dan Quinn and Dimeetrof
coming back in Atlanta. There's a lot to talk about.
There's guys that are losing their jobs. Ron Rivera now
is officially the Redskins coach and I just saw flow

(01:32:04):
across that he's looking at bringing in Jack del Rio
as part of that coaching staff. So he's already trying
to put together a staff, so good on him, and
good on just good on Ron Rivera for for picking
up a job quickly, and maybe for Washington making a
smart decision um for the first time in a while.
But we'll talk about all this stuff when we come back.
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named Ron Rivera their new head coach. Dave Gettleman says
he is not hard to get along with. He is
not hard to work with, but then he also said

(01:33:11):
he's not doing enough. Um. Pat Shermer is out there,
So the Giants are looking for a head coach right now.
There is a lot of problems around that organization, Jeff
as you will know, But what do you think of
Gettleman basically saying, look, I'm not hard to work with. Um,
I uh, it seems otherwise. I mean, it feels like

(01:33:32):
players definitely don't like working with him, and there's been
many players that what The Panthers are openly vocal about
the way he handled their contracts, whether it was Um,
Steve Smith, Thomas Davis. I think Greg Olson is even
upset about it. I know George Gross wasn't pleased with
just not not very player friendly. He might be friendly
with the ownership, which is a big issue in the NFL.

(01:33:53):
We're seeing general managers are able to stay much longer
um than coaches are because they're more friendly with ownership.
And so maybe he thinks he's doing a good job there,
But I don't only know what else will show you
trated running back with the second overall pick. Running backs
do not matter that much. And I'm not sure Daniel
Jones is any good. I know people are, you know,

(01:34:15):
we're excited about his first game, and I guess his
last game, um or second to last game that's the Redskins,
But like it doesn't I don't have much faith that
he's gonna be the guy either. So, UM, I don't.
I don't know what he has done to garner so
much support from the front, from the from ownership, and

(01:34:35):
they're gonna task him with getting another coach. Um, I
I don't. I'm much are I like it? But I mean,
this is the way it always seems to work with,
you know, general managers. They just keep keeping their job
and they keep being allowed to pick a second and
third coach, And seems wild to me that they don't.
They're not held the same standard as is as is

(01:34:58):
the coach is a great quote this story from David Getleman, who, Um,
and I don't know if this is exactly It's hard
to tell based off of tweet, whether or not the
tone was kind of this this basically monotone. But basically
he was asked, I gotta pull a tweet, and I
thought I saved it, basically asked. He basically kept talking
about how uh you know there it's a joint collaborative effort, right,

(01:35:21):
it's not just on him, and so he said. Dave
Gettleman said, personal decisions are collaborative effort between the GM head, coach, ownership.
Reporter than asked him, if they are a collaborative effort,
why does he not get why does he get credit
for Daniel Jones but not Schirmer. Davi Getlman replied by
saying he does not know what he's talking about. There

(01:35:44):
you go, it's I seem's amazing that so many people
are asking people in the Giants organization do you think
coaching candidates are going to steer clear of taking your
job because they don't want to work with Dave Gettleman,
Like that's amazing. The that is one of the lines
of inquiry that Mara is having to address right now

(01:36:06):
is just how I don't know Bristley. I guess maybe
he can be or maybe a matter of fact, he
can be. He still says that Daniel Jones is a
franchise quarterback, So of course that's the thing. A lot
of things that people are saying over this week they
have to say, at least at the present time, like
you're not gonna make news until it Like the Mitchell

(01:36:28):
Cherbiskie thing. I don't think that the Bears are committed
to Mitchell Chrobinsky or I don't know that they've made
that decision yet, but it benefits them not at all
to say that they're moving on from him right now.
There's no reason to say that right now. Um yeah,
they're they're uh you. Well, it's the time of year

(01:36:49):
we're getting into, Jason where we have to kind of
piece together what exactly people, um, what what they're saying us,
what they actually mean? Yeah, exactly a lot of people
are gonna say things that they don't actually mean. We're

(01:37:10):
getting into lying season, especially around the draft and free agency.
Fraggies first, obviously, combine lying season, and all we can
do is take what people say and look at past
experiences and look at past um uh instances where people

(01:37:30):
have told us one thing done the other. To know that,
of course, you say, hey, I'm going to you know,
I I will Um, you know we want rabisky back. Well,
I don't know. Do you really want it back? I
mean you say that now we don't. We don't. We've
seen the past that probably is not true. So just
make sure to when you hear comments this off season,
make sure to think about it like that. One thing

(01:37:54):
that may come into play today in these four football games,
these four college games, which should be some in games
to watch and certainly may come into play in the
National Championship Game as well, which is like four months away.
Between climps and and L s U is targeting, and
this is something that we saw on Saturday. In both games.

(01:38:15):
We saw a really dirty tackle or a dirty head
hunting kind of hit by Oklahoma against l s U
and that guy got kicked out of the game. And
then we saw Wade whose first round talent for Ohio State,
get knocked out or get kicked out for a targeting
call against Trevor Lawrence. And from a technical standpoint, both
the calls were correct. But and I saw Joe Clapp

(01:38:38):
mentioned this, and I've said this as well, and I
came up with kind of an analogy that was sort
of extreme. But something has to be done here because
intent needs to matter. And the the example that I
went to, and you can tell me if I'm off
base on this, Jeff, is I feel like that there
is a difference between I know there's a difference between

(01:38:58):
involuntary manslaughter and first degree murder and exactly someone but
the same guy may have died right like the same
guy lost his life in both situations, but one was yes,
it was unlawful, but it was not intentional. And then
the other one is I sat at home and planned

(01:39:20):
this thing out. It was calculated all of this, and
I look at the same thing. It's like one of
them is gonna get you the electric chair, the other
one's gonna get you three to nine depending on I
guess the degree or whatever like that targeting needs to
be fixed, and that it shouldn't just be an automatic
ejection because those two hits that I saw in those
two games on Saturday, they need to be adjudicated differently.

(01:39:45):
They You should not see those two hits as the
same thing, because they absolutely weren't the same thing, but
they carried the exact same penalty. So I feel like
I was on an island about this three years ago
and started tweeting about targeting, how I do not like
the ejection part of targeting, and I felt like I
was on a big island about this. And now people
are coming around to what I have thought for a

(01:40:06):
while now, which is, UM, I think intent matters in targeting,
whether to object players or not. And UM, we saw
and the two examples you gave. The intent for the
Oklahoma player was too was malice right? Was to injure
somebody I mean, I don't know. I don't think he
was actually thinking to injure somebody. But that was clearly
a dirty play in our game. Now it was allowed

(01:40:28):
years ago, it's not anymore. You have to adjust with
the times. Clearly a dirty hit, right player is it's
not near the play, he's not looking. You hit him
in the head, boom, you should be ejected. The Trevor
Lawrence Wade situation, Ohio State has a safety comes up
in and Trevor Lawrence. It goes to kind of brace
for contact and they met, They make contact, helmet the helmet.

(01:40:50):
But by the rule of the law, yes, that is
a targeting but Wade was not trying to blast his head.
Wade was not trying to get a targeting penalty, and
we have thinking to account. I think intent, and we
have enough football people who know the game, who watched
the game, referees who should understand the intent is part

(01:41:10):
of this. And you're reviewing this too. So if you're
reviewing this, I think you can easily tay, Okay, he
just was trying to make a play. Fifteen year penalty
gets to stay in the game. And I do think
that we do a better job of this in college football.
We've actually moved to where we do kind of use
common sense, but it was not used in that situation.
It really wasn't. Um, he should have stayed in the game,
and disappointing that you know, that kind of changed the game, right,

(01:41:33):
it's not wild Hier State lost, but again kind of
gave comes in some new lefe. Ohio State lost for
for many other reasons, um, not including I think the
blown fumble return call. I think he comes it might
have gone down scored anyways. Um, but it's it's important
to I think, get targeting right because you're throwing out

(01:41:55):
of games and this is a big gap. So I
hope nt double a football the size to forget one
rule by way last night the Alamobile Uh you tah
and um and I saw you tweet this out, like okay,
So if you get your helmet knocked off in college football,
you have to stay out a play, which is might
be stupider than the targeting rule. But then they gave

(01:42:15):
a kid a penalty last night for continuing to try
to play with his helmet off during a play, a
fifteen yard penalty automatic first down. What are we doing?
What are we doing? Guys, what are we doing? Like
as soon as your helmet comes off, I guess you
have to go motionless, like you just have to lay
there on the field, or I think you tweeted out
you just have to take a knee for the rest

(01:42:37):
of that play. Can you imagine if helmet gets knocked off,
You're the dude on the second level, You're the last
guy that can make the tackle. Your helmet gets knocked
off and you kneel, and then the running back trucks
past you because you can't touch him and scores. Can
you imagine the response to that. College football is my
favorite sport, but some of the rules, the targeting rule,

(01:42:58):
it's just the level of punitive. Just the punishment has
to fit the crime, and it often does not. And
in that game, it definitely victimized Ohio State. How do
I know it because Trevor Lawrence said that was the change.
Momentum changed on that hit, and as I was seeing it,
I thought, you know, if Trevor Lawrence just popped up
from this hit, no way anybody would have even blinked

(01:43:21):
and thought that that was a bad hit. The fact
that Trevor Lawrence stayed down on the ground is why
targeting was called. And I don't think that's good either.
It's like, if it was targeting, it was targeting. It
doesn't necessarily matter that the guy stayed on the field
or not, Like if if if, if it was a
dirty hit, but the dude wasn't hurt, it's still a
dirty hit. But that right there, Trevor Lawrence stayed down

(01:43:42):
and kind of moved his head around for a little bit,
and then the targeting came and I don't like that either.
Well with it, well, the targeting it was upon review, right,
they look upon review right, It wasn't calling the field targeting.
There wasn't. The reason they reviewed it is because he
was down. I am maybe maybe I think enough times
I think they would have reviewed anyways. Uh you know,

(01:44:05):
then they reviewed anyways, and then that should be such
a sticking point for why you don't like this. Um,
there was a hit. It's it sucks not to watch
a game. There was a hit in the game. Maybe
it was it wasn't. The Animal Bowls another another game
where um, a quarterback started to run and he got
hit and it was it felt clear like helmet helmet

(01:44:28):
and you're like, please don't call this. Please don't call this,
Please don't call this. You're just like you're at the
point now where you're like you're begging yourself and your
head that the officials don't ruin UM the game for you,
and I should I don't think you should ever be
that way. No, it should not, absolutely should not be
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Con said, it's not the time for a complete overhaul
of our organization and that's why he's bringing back Doug
Marone and GM Dave Caldwell in Jacksonville. How do you
feel about this one, Jeff, I think that the consensus

(01:45:13):
is that Coughlin was the big issue there, but there
are a lot of issues in Jacksonville, and I'm just
thinking to myself, well, when do you want to overhaul it?
Because things haven't been good there for a couple of years.
So it is a good example of actually I think
some some maturity shown from from Shan Kahan. So when
we look at coaching fires and hires, Okay, the idea

(01:45:36):
is always getting someone better, right best. The idea is
not just to fire someone to get someone who's not
as good, or get someone who's who's the same. You
look at if you look at Jacksonville, they're looking around.
They're like, look, we got rid of Coughlin. We should
have a healthy Nick Foles heading to next season. We
do have people and players in place that can't help

(01:46:00):
us win games now, but it's not like a thing
where we have to do a big roster overhaul. Duck
Brown has shown a time to be a good coach,
I believe, and and you know, it'll make some and
they fired oh longa. They'll make some staff changes as well. Um,
and who are you going to hire that's better than
Duck bron right now? Jason Garrett, a young unknown uh coordinator,

(01:46:27):
you know, Robert Sala, Eric b enemy Um. And so
I think I think that's a big part of this
is like they just looked around, like, you know what,
probably not gonna get anyone better than myro own right now.
We got rid of Coughlin. Maybe we'll you'll switch it
accordinate up here too, and we'll let we'll write it
back and see how it goes next year. So I'm

(01:46:47):
okay with a little bit of of kind of pause
and reflection from an owner and realizing that, you know,
it might not be best to fire the guy now
and see how it goes next year. And so that's
where they're at right now. And I'm and I'm I'm
okay with that. I don't from the and in this situation.
I think there's other ones where I think you should

(01:47:08):
have fired a coach, But for this one, I don't
think it's I think it's okay that he kept them. Well,
I mean it finished six and ten, they were fourth
in the division. Uh, they've lost badly down the stretch.
It really kind of went the wrong way. Their problems
began when they paid Blake Boardles. Now they've paid Nick Foles.

(01:47:29):
I don't think that was a good movie either. I
said that for the very beginning. That's not that's not
really on her own though, No, I know, I'm just
looking at the organization as a whole. I'm just saying
that they when they brought him Aron, what shot concept was.
We said, this was a four year proposition for the people.
We were bringing in we were bringing in a team
for four years. We said, hey, we're gonna give you

(01:47:50):
four years to put things together. And so they're not
just going to back away from that. He's basically living
up to what he said. He said, this is what
we said. We came out of our a f C
Championship game season seen by making a four year commitment
to the collective leadership of our football operations. Only two
seasons have passed and one change from that leadership team
has already been made. I want to see what we

(01:48:10):
produce under a new organizational structure in goals have been established,
Accountability will be paramounts. So some things have happened. But
and he said that David Doug are going to report
directly to him, as they have since mid December. And
he said that this was an unacceptable season, that they
had a chance to win the division in Week nine
and then it went completely awry. I I don't know

(01:48:33):
enough about Doug Moron. I know some people think he's
a great coach. Some people think he's an average coach.
I know where he was a couple of years ago.
I would rather you keep somebody in for a little
while than be the Browns and fire somebody a year
after year after year, although I think Freddie Kitchens absolutely
should have been gone because he shouldn't have been there
to begin with. So I guess it's okay. I get
Doug Morron's just not a name that excites you, I guess.

(01:48:54):
But if you I I agree with you. If you can't,
if you don't think you have somebody out there that's
better than them, then why would you get rid of him? Um,
you know it's I was. I was talking about the
Packers with a buddy of mine and he said to me,
and I was like, I just don't buy the Packers.
You know that they're they're just like they're not dynamic
enough to me. And he's he said, you know what,

(01:49:15):
sometimes boring is good in the NFL. And he's kind
of right about that, Like boring might be good in Jacksonville,
not like, you know, you get rid of Tom Coughlin,
kind of get remove that conflict and and and look,
I play the Tom Coughlin. I like Tom, but he
can be a handful, especially when he's I think in
the front office. You're not seeing him on day to day,

(01:49:35):
day to day interaction like you know, as a coach.
It's easier to kind of discipline players because you see
him every day, right, you make you form a connection
with them from the front office. It's it's tougher because
you're not really forming a personal connection with them. They're
not understanding, you know, the rules you've put in place
because you're not in the room talking about the rules
you put in place. Right, Doug Rhode is um and
so that relationship was, but now that's gone, and so

(01:50:00):
maybe boring is good. It's worked. It's you could be right,
it's worked for Pete Carroll for the most part in Seattle.
We'll be right back. This is Our kicked the coverage
on Fox Sports Radio. This is Outkicked the coverage with
Clay Travis. Final couple of minutes of out Kick on
this first day of January. Place back tomorrow. Clay Travis said,

(01:50:24):
is I'm Jason Martin, Jeff Schwartz with me hanging out.
Appreciate you guys hanging out. Hopefully you're not hung over
to start out. You might be, I don't know. Hopefully
it's worth it if you were. Are you excited Jeff
about Saban versus hardball? Just in general? That's more exciting

(01:50:47):
than Michigan and Alabama on the field today if you
wanted to try and come up with storylines. I mean,
those two guys are still gonna be around, and you know,
they're certainly intriguing personalities in the Verbo Sitrus Bowl today
with Michigan and Alabama, and of course it's not a
to Alabama game, but it does have a lot of
pro talent in and on wide receiver for Alabama playing

(01:51:08):
against Michigan. For some reason, I still don't really understand why. Um.
I like to me, it's it's hard to get to
feel like this game matters very much to Alabama. I didn't. Man,
there's a lot to Michigan. You can sell this as
obviously a win for your program. There's still another recruiting

(01:51:30):
signing day coming up. There's there's All American game, I
believe this weekend where players will be announcing, you know,
where they're going to school, a couple of players here
and there, and so being Alabama is a good thing
for recruiting, it's a good thing for the message of
your program. UM, But I just don't think Alabama cares
about being here. UM. And we've seen throughout bull season

(01:51:54):
the Motivation is a huge part of whether or not
a team is gonna play well. It's the only probably
the only way. I think the handicap a lot of
these Bowl games is, Okay, you know this team is
not going to be motivated like Utah last night. You know,
bet the other team or or whatnot. Um, I would
probably bet Alabama because I think that if they are motivated,
Michigan stands no chance. But you know, I think there's

(01:52:16):
also a couple of things consider Alabama to um. You know,
Matt Jones starting at quarterback, He's gonna be very motivated
to play well, and so I think when your quarterbacks
motivated to play well, the rest of your team sort
of has to do that as well. So I mean,
I mean, of course, I think it's on noon, right
the first game today, So um, I'll be watching that
the Rose Bowl. My ducks. Um, big big, big game

(01:52:38):
from I don't I don't know, Mark crystal Ball and
this organ they are pumped for this game. Justin Herbert,
their quarterback, grew up in Eugene, Organ. He has a
Duck for life. He cannot wait to play the game.
He tears. A video of him tearing up yesterday with
Joey Harrington sending him a like a like a like
a good lucked video. I mean this matters a lot,

(01:52:59):
a lot for him. So, um, we're gonna be ready
to play that. It's gonna be fun to watch something
after it. Rose Bowl is the one where it doesn't
seem like anybody that's been there doesn't want to be there.
That seems to be like that one other bowl that matters.
And we've got some good games. We've got some really
good games. Yeah, that USC Penn State game a couple

(01:53:20):
of years ago, the darn Old game with Trace McSorley
and sake, what that game was outrageously good. I don't
know that this one's got that kind of PNAS because
Wisconsin is just not that exciting a brand. But hopefully
it's gonna be a good game, granddaddy of them all.
So it's an amazing, amazing game that the field layout,
the grass like, it's just it's great. It's so great.

(01:53:42):
You think that will be the best of the four
games today? Most likely it would be the most physical.
I think it'd be awesome. Yeah, I would imagine it
will definitely be physical. So hopefully it will be well
played hopefully we won't be talking about targeting penalties as
it relates to that as well. Well. We appreciate Happy
New to year to all of you guys. From all

(01:54:02):
of us in Fox Sports Radio, Clay Travis will be back.
He'll take you through the rest of the week. Jeff Swartz,
Jason Martin signing off,

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