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where we really want to lead off. After the last

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you know, ten to fifteen minutes of Game of Thrones
last night. We will talk about it at some point
today and we will give you a chance to earmuffs
yourself if you have not seen it, because you definitely
don't want to be spoiled if you did miss it.
But there was big news in the world of sports,
and it was basically off the actual playing field. Sorry, Danny,
We're not leading off with the l A Dodgers. I

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will say that's an impressive record, but we're not talking
about the Dodgers off the top. We're talking about Jay Cutler.
He is going to Miami on a one year, ten
million dollar deal plus up to three million dollars in incentives,
Gonna go ahead and put the Fox Sports broadcasting career
on delay for now. He's gonna rejoin Adam Gaze, who
we played for in and if you read some of

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the reports, it looks like Adam Gze was very very
adamant to Cutler that hey, you could help us. This
is a good fit for both of us. It's a
one year deal. No, you know, nothing big. You can
make a little bit more money playing football. I don't
know that you were ready to hang it up yet.
Apparently not, so it's just gonna come back and play.
Also means that some other quarterbacks are still out of jobs.
One in particular that we will not name at this point,

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but Jake Cutler to Miami. We talked to Alex Marvez
on Friday. He thought this was where they would go.
I thought and set off the top of the show
Friday that this is the one that made the most sense,
but I wasn't willing to say it would happen, And
now it has. Jeff Jake Cutler to the Dolphins. Your
initial reaction to this news, what had to happen, And

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I'm glad it did. You know him and Gaze, like
you mentioned, work excellent together completely of his passes only
through eleven picks, and they just had a chemistry that
Cutler didn't have with any other offensive coordinator. And when
you look at the timing of this injury for Tannehill
and you're a month away from the season starting, Cutler's

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a no brainer, he knows the offense, he knows gays,
and I think for Cutler he mentioned him not you know,
really wanting to to do the television thing. I think
he wants to prove that he's not this locker room
um malcontent, right, that a guy that he wants to
change his image and rehab it a little bit, and
this is a spot for him to do it. He
knows how people have talked about him. Um, that's not

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going to change until he goes to Miami. And if
he does rehab his image, a lot of that will
come with winning as well. This makes perfect sense. Um,
you know, can he lead them to the playoffs? I
think talent? His talent alone, UM will help them get
to the playoffs. He's more talented, I would say than
than Tannehill. Um will all come together this year. I

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think he's gonna do a great job. They have a
lot of weapons on offense. They have a good offensive line,
they have a good running game. They have Landry and
Stills on the outside. Um, they have in Parker as well.
They have so many weather They've got Julius Thomas as
well with traded for him. They have so many weapons. Um,
all he's gonna be asked to do is get the
ball out quickly. That's Adam Gates's offense. It's like Peyton

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Manning's often was in the with the Colt. Is that
tree I played in that last year in Detroit. The
balls out quickly? Uh, Color has got the arm to
do it, and I think it's a perfect match. It
makes total sense this time of year to want to
bring in a player that you're really comfortable with and
a player who, even though he's retired air quoting retired, Uh,
never really seemed all in on the broadcasting. When he

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got the job, he gave an interview and after the
you know, during the interview, he said that he didn't
even prep basically for the interview to to get the
job at Fox. I know, I was talking to a
guy yesterday who worked for Fox. He spent three weeks
preparing for his one quarter that he called as an
audition at the l A Studios in in in Fox
in Colors. Basically admitted he didn't even really try to

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get the job. He just got it because, you know,
he played football in the NFL and he wanted something
to do. So this makes total sense now, whether or
not this is a long term deal is another question.
You know. To me, this feels like a one year contract.
And then Miami. Look, look, I think that when they
make the playoffs or not, they have a very talented team.
I think Gates has taken him to two good places. Tannebond,

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the GM has done a good job of retoling this roster.
Look Out for Kirk Cousins next year in Miami. I
think it makes total sense that they can afford to
pay him. He'll go to another offensive minded head coach,
another guy who's done great work with quarterbacks in the NFL.
Um he'll be happy in Miami. They'll love him because
they need a long term quarterback and they need a
solution there. Because Tannehill is going to have a cl surgery,

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has no guaranteed money next year, His career in Miami
has probably done. Look Out for Kirk Husins next year
in Miami. That's interesting. That's very interesting, and certainly I'm
sure a lot of Dolphins fans out there would be
pretty happy with that if that turned out to be
a fairly long term solution. If I don't know what
happens to Tannehill, but he's had injuries. Matt Moore just
did not really get the seal of approval from Adam Gates.

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You knew something was coming when basically said, right now,
Matt is our quarterback, Like that's that's how we answered
the question. Didn't go any any deeper than that. That's
not exactly a ringing endorsement from the head coach, Adam Gaze.
You talked about the offensive line and you being an
offensive line specialist and somebody that watches a lot of
film on that and of course spent your entire career
on the offensive line. You look at Laramie Tunsell, Ted Larson,

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Mike Pouncey, Jaman busch Rod and Jawan James. Tell me
about those five guys in terms of what you've been
able to see from them and how talented they could
be in terms of protecting Jay Cutler and maybe even
opening up some holes when he hands it off to
j j. I. We'll star with Tunso we all know
his story, right, old miss. The night of the draft,
video drops of him, uh smoking at that gas mask

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he drops down into Miami. They probably made guard last
year because Brandon Albert was it was at left tackle.
Who um uh, you know he's got traded Jackson and
just retired. He he improved that season went on. He
did a good job of of kind of learning guard,
but tackle to his position, he's gonna he's gonna be
a future cornerstone tackle. You mentioned Ted Larson. Ted tore
something in his arm. I would say, bi separate trisep um.

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I think he's still gonna try to play through it.
They said, so that would be interesting sent right now?
Who yeah, right? Yeah? Steams from Alabama. Um, you know
he hasn't played very much. I think. I think when
you're between a good left tackle like like he will be,
and a good center, a great center, Um, you can

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hide a left guard. Essentially a lot of teams slide
to the left, and so you can kind of just
hide there. He'll be fine, I think. And Pouncy is
a great center. Um. And and that's obviously great. James
has gotten better at right tackle, so and j I
j running the running footballs kind of breakout star last year,
a couple of games over two hundred yards. So you

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add in the run game with Cutler back there, now,
I think he'll get better protection than he had in Chicago. Look,
Color has just got He's he's an offensive alignment. He's
got to change his attitude to a little bit here,
because when he's yelling at offensive lignment like he has
in the past, that that does not sit well when
you go ahead and cut out your offensive alignment after

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a bad play. Look, we we all obviously make bad plays.
We never want them to happen. But he's got to
change it. And I think he I think he knows
the perception of him around the NFL. UM. Even interviewing
guys yesterday when I was on the radio, UM, some
some bears beat reporters. You know, they were talking about
just how he when he doesn't like you as an

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offensive coordinator really essentially that he just shuts it down
and and you can't be known as that guy. So
I think this is a year for him to rehabilitate
his image, UM and get people to talk more positively
about him. When he goes back to Fox next Toreman,
his spot will still be there in the three man booze.
So him leaving is not is not that big of
a deal. But I think this is this works out perfectly.

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I know it fuels a little bit of the talk
that we may or may not want to get into
with Cap. But Um, even even the most ardent Cap
supporters couldn't UM really make a football argument as to
why this is. You know, why Caps are taking this
job or why he Cap should have been given this job,
because Color is by far the right guy UM in

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this moment. For the Miami Dolphins job, they went out
and got the paid him a ton of money. Look,
you're getting ten million dollars a year. Fox put him
in a three man booth because they know he could
possibly leave. So him leaving the booth, Charles Davis is
still there. Charles Davis excellent. He can handle the workload.
I am also available, by the way, on Twitter yesterday
and I did not think. I did not think that
it would get the response it did. Um. I had

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a bunch of people tweet me saying that they admire
that I would take a shot like that at Fox.
But I mean the social media in turn was working
on Sundays. Is really gonna pass my message along to
the bosses UM at Fox Sports to get me that gig?
But that would be I mean, that's like a dream.
That would be a dream, even just to get an
audition for that UM. But so he's not costing Fox

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anything if he left. You know, Tony Romo would cost
CBS a lot if he left, because ro almost doing
two games a week, the third the national Game, and
he's doing the Sunday primetime game on CBS. Yeah, I
mean he's replacing Phil Sims. He's the he's the eight
team color guy and instead of a third team guy
that's not even or or a third member of a
broadcast team that's not even the eight level broadcast crew

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for Fox. So it does make sense. They're the weapons
are intriguing with Jervis Landry, Kenny Still's Devonte Parker, who
could potentially really develop if he's under the right quarterback,
and Julius Thomas at tight end. As you mentioned, those
are four guys like, Yeah, Cutler's had weapons. Definitely's at
outshon Jeffrey, and he's had solid tight ends and at
different times in Chicago. I'm not sure that he said

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four guys that I like that could all technically stretch
the field in different ways for you and make special plays. Now,
if Cutler can just throw it to his own jerseys
and not the other's kind of the way he did
under Adam Gaze, that would be a really good start.
But as you said, and believe me, the adamant Cap
supporters are not going to agree with what you said

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about Cutler being the right fit. But Cutler is the
right fit provided he's kept himself in shape. And I
imagine he has so one year deal. And I don't
know what Miami's what Miami thought their prospects were under
Matt Moore. I don't know how much better Jay Cutl
is gonna make them the Matt Moore would. We're never
going to find that out. Jay Cutler is gonna show up.

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My guess is he's probably not gonna. Look, we know
what we're getting with Matt Moore. I play with Matt
Moore in Carolina. Matt's a great guy. We keep in contact.
He's an Oregan State kid, unfortunately, but he's a great guy. Look,
you know what you're getting with with Matt Moore. He's
fifteen and thirteen in his career. He's an excellent backup.
There's a reason why Matt is a backup now. He

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got done a little bit shady in Carolina in two
ten he was given the job. We drafted Jimmy Clawson.
He was playing well. Um, we just weren't winning, and
so they gave the job to class in after two games,
which which is ridiculous. You know, Matt Moore starts all
training camp with with the ones, plays two I think
it was two games, and then they bring in Jimmy Clawson,
Jimmy gets hurt, Matt comes back in, Matt gets hurt.

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It was a disaster. Um, But he's he's a really
good backup. And there's a reason why guys are backups
and guys are starters. So Matt can come in and
like it. Last year he was two and one last year. Um,
I think he lost the game that that he came
in and played a bulk of with Tannehill, So he
might even be closer to two and two. But that's
what he is. He's a he's a he can run
your offense. He's not gonna lose your game, but he

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won't win you a game. And that's the difference. Jay
Cutler can go win you a football game, and that's
what makes quarterbacks special. So you know you have two
minutes left in the game, even less than two minutes,
you know your fourth quarter down fourteen points, down seventeen points, Um,
Matt Moore is not winning that football game. Ja Color
can win you that football game on his talent, and
that's what sets the two apart. And that's why they

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went out and got Jake Color. It's not that Matt
Moore can't win football games. Is that when it comes
down to the very end of a game, you need
a quarterback who can take your team over the top,
and and Cutler can do that, and Matt isn't as capable.
He started fifteen games, did Cutler with Adam Gates through
for thirty sift nine yards on t d s eleven

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interception sixty four point four percent was this completion percentage.
We'll see whether or not he's gonna be able to
duplicate that in Miami. If you were in Miami, we'd
certainly love to hear from you this morning, Dolphins fans,
in particular at eight seven seven nine six three six
nine at eight seven seven nine nine Fox. Also, if
you're in Chicago, are you laughing about this or are
you scared to death that he's gonna show up and

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be really good and really make you feel like you
have a terrible season. I mean, imagine if Cutler goes
out and has a pretty good year under Adam gaze
and Trabinsky has not really developed into anything for you,
nor has Mike Glennon Like that is the nightmare. I
would suggest nightmare scenario rather for Chicago Bears fans. So
again our tell phone number eight seven, seven nine nine.

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On Fox, the Dolphins considered some other pretty interesting names,
according to the Miami Herald. We will discuss those next.
You will not want to miss that. This is how
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NFL veteran Jeff Schwartz and for Clay Travis, he is
back tomorrow down in Costa Rica today at a gambling symposium.
I'm sure he will have many things to say about
that tomorrow. We've got some phone calls. We've also got
some news about other quarterbacks that the Dolphins considered, and
I can't wait to get just reaction to this, but
we'll take the calls first, especially because he tweeted both

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Robert at in l A and he tweeted me to
make sure that he had the number correctly. At one
point he won money in a casino. Talking to us,
he is a little bit intoxicated. It sounds like Cole
in Louisiana leads us off. You're on now kicked the
coverage cold. Good morning, Hi, your morning, and I'm not
only starting for classes all night, but I'm pretty sober

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right now. But as a hot takes lined up for
you all. All right, ok First of all, I want
to signd off on this dude Percoset, pistol pete. All right, Okay,
this dude he hates I can't drop that farm. Excuse me,
I just did. You can believe that on the podcast

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he hates chick fil He hates Chick fil A. He
makes thirty five grand a year before taxes, not after taxes,
before taxes, guy, and he's got a no trade claus
with his contract at Walmart. So perk ahead, pistol peet,
you can go ahead and take that. I think we

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just lost coal. He said he had a lot of
hot takes, and what he called in and did is
basically challenged perkose at pistol pete. Now, if if we
want to get into some kind of perkose at pistol
Peet versus Cole and Louisiana voicemail fest, I'm all four that.
By the way, the voicemail numbers eight five Clay, that's
five to nine. We play those every Friday on the show,

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The Best and the Worst. So Cole drops an F bomb,
then says I'm sorry, I can't drop an F bomb
on the air. It's like, yes, but you just did.
So that's something that just happened. And then he called
out perkoset pistol peet kinda and then that was it
for his phone call. Not intoxicated, his coal, just high
on studying. I guess, Jeff, no Cole is He tweeted

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me saying I'm drunk right now. Okay, he tweeted me
and said, and I gave him the I gave him
the the number nine on Fox, and that's what I
told him. I didn't give him the actual digits. He said,
I'm drunk. Can you translate that to numbers? Okay, let's
let's go to westbalmb Beach Jason and West Palm Beach.
That was quite a follow up that you have here, Jason.

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What's up? Hey? Are you doing good? Buddy? Yeah, I
just want to comment on uh, just saying with Jake
Cutler and uh and trying to hear him. First, let
me say this, man, um, I'm an Avid Dolphins family
born in Miami, and I've I've never never been sold
on Ryan tanneyill since he got there. He's a great

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you know, he has a great skill set. He's a
great um when it comes to regular season quarterback. But
quarterback that's gonna give us over the top, It's gonna
get us pass pitch birds, gonna get a pass New England. Uh,
if we had to play let's just you know, say
for kicks that we had to play Oakland in the playoffs,
all these things Ann beat them with tanning Hill. So
I'm kind of I'm kind of um happy to since

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it's not happy for tanning Hill for the injury. You know,
I don't want any player to get injured like you did.
But I'm happy to since that the Miami Dolfers can
finally move on from him, because what's gonna happen is, yeah,
Jake cult is gonna come in with less one of
the year Jake Coulor has this year. We're moving on
from town Hill and Matt more than next season, you know.
So that's for me, is it's a bit a sweet

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moment that we can move on in and we keep
the pieces we have and come in with a new
draft pick man that can that can really take us
to this up. All right, Jason appreciates a phone call.
So Jason is not a Ryan Tannehill fan at all,
as he's basically saying that they're moving on from Tannehill
right now. The Dolphins are too good of a team
to get a quarterback with a draft pick next year,

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So they're gonna have to get or go for Kirk
Cousins or even Jimmy g or someone else. They're they're
too good, uh to be in the top three unless
they want to trade a bunch of picks to go
get one of these kids are coming out, you know,
whether it's Sam Donnard from USC or you know, Josh
Allen from Wyoming has done a lot of buzz. Um
I don't know much about him. He's got a big arm.
I know that Um actually played organ this year, so

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I'll find out earlier this season how good, how good
he is or how good he looks on a film.
And then obviously Josh Rosan the U C l A.
So they're gonna have to trade up in the draft
to get in one of those. And the teams that
might end up in the in those positions need quarterbacks too,
so I don't see Miami getting one in the in
the draft. You're gonna have to get Kirk Cousins. Are
You're gonna have to get even maybe Mike Glenning gets
released eventually, or or Jimmy G. You have to find
some established quarterback to come to Miami, are you? Are

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you guys like on that kind of terms where you
can just call him Jimmy G every single time, or
you just not want to try and say Garoppolo, Garoppolo.
You know, I'm not a very good name. I just
I just nailed it. What every five seconds, like you
guys are headed to outback stage, I call him Jimmy
G one time, one exact time. That was twice actually
in that last segment. All right, So the Dolphins also

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considered other interesting names. They probably would have loved to
have had, quote Jimmy g unquote, but that was not
available to them. Names that were Can we fire up
the music for a special Tebow watch? I kind of
just gave it away. But in addition to Kyle Norton,

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the Miami Dolphins at least gave some consideration to the
idea of one Timothy Richard Tebow to replace Ryan Tannel
Jeff Schwartz. Tim Tebow could have been there. Of course,
he's playing baseball right now, so would he have Would

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he have played baseball like on Tuesday on his off day,
and then played football the rest of the days like
I'm not quite sure how that would have worked out. Um, Look,
the Dolphins look awful for this news. I don't know
if they leaked this out or the agents for Tebow
and or and maybe they have the same agent. They
leaked this out because it makes the Dolphins looking competent.
Why would they even consider Tebow and Kyle Orton. When's

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the last time Kyle Orton played? Okay, yeah, so that
makes no open that makes no sense. And Tebow can't
throw a forward pass. So you're an offense that requires
you to throw a forward pass and he can't do it.
I mean, I'm a Broncos fan. He beat the Steelers
with a forward pass, Jason. That was won football games

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that you did. But you changed your entire offense and
not They're not going back. No one's running that offense
ever again. Um. I know the offensive line coach that
was there in Denver at the time. I've talked about it.
They ran four plays over and over again. You're not
doing that in the NFL anymore. So I don't even
know why this was even considered and why you even
would leak this out, um, But it would have been

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interesting if Tebow would have had to make a decision
between his dream to play baseball and his other dream
to play football. So it would have been an interesting
dilemma for him. Is this a glory how moment? Again,
I don't think Tebow reached out to the Dolphins. I
think that the Dolphins just gave it a little bit
of consideration because Adam Gates has been a guy who
would change his offensive system in the past, and Tebow

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might be good for the locker room. I don't know
Armando se Garo the Miami Herald is who actually reported this.
There were three names that were kind of talked about.
The two that we just mentioned, Kyle Orton, who has
not played football since oh the third, and they also
the Dolphins also considered. Um uh, so it's Kyle Orton,
Tim Tebow. And I heard Christian Ponder, so I know

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that kind of fueled some fire for the for the
Kaepernick the Kaepernick crowd, but this is a this is
a perfect fit for them, and you know, to who
leaked this out, I don't think this is Tebow being
trying to be a glory hound. I think that um,
some Asian I'm looking at who the agents are now
for for Orion and Tebow probably you know, let it
out that their guys still have some interest because it
it brings in more pub for their guys. But I

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don't think Tim Tebow even considered this. I don't think
he called around. The Dolphins were content with going after Cutler,
you know, the stories were they went after him early
or you know, Cutler and Gaze have been talking. They're
their friends, they talk constantly. And um, Color originally said no,
then went after went ten million dollars. And I don't
know how you turned down ten million dollars when the
booth will still be available the following year. Um, this

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is a perfect fit for them. And I think this
will you know this, this will possibly help them get
in the playoffs. So it's a good decision for the
Dolphins and uh for for the organization. One year deal,
ten million dollars um. And this is a good year
for Color to rehability, rehabilitate himself as as far as
his image. And we'll go get a call now A

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J and Orlando, how do you feel about the Dolphins
and Color? Yeah? Are you doing buddy good? Um? Yeah, man?
What's the whole Dolphins sign of Cutler things? Um? I mean,
I guess hit and missed when he had a good season.
He did have two Pro warl receivers and all Sean
and Brenda Marshalls, and we really don't have that down
there besides drivers injury and the spot. So I'm kind

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of skeptical on him. Leaving this to the playoffs, but
the even the even consider Ponder or a t Bow
or or in I mean, come on, I'm not I'm
not up in arms over Kaefernick not having a job,
Don't get me wrong, but I mean, what does that
say that they'll think about him, you know, over kyln Kaefernick,
Like that's that's kind of ridiculous. And it's just so

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the state that the Dolphins I've been a playing tour
maybe twenty five years now. It's just ridiculous, man, you know.
I I think I think they did. They did consider Um,
they did consider kaepern I just don't think it was
made as public um. Look, I think that when you
have a guy like Tebow and you have a guy
like Ponder who used to be former first round draft picks,
they're always gonna be mentioned. You know, being a being

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a first round draft pick is such an important um
asset for a player because you know that you're drafted
that high in your talent and teams always think that
they can fix you. And that's why you know, Ponder
will always be mentioned until he decides to um to
finally retire whenever that is, and Tebow will will always
be mentioned at some point because he's a first round
draft pick. And if Tebow was a third round draft pick,

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a fourth round draft pick, where he probably should have gone,
he'll never get mentioned. So that's why you're always gonna
hear those guys get mentioned, even over a Kaepernick who
was a second round draft pick who wasn't even a
starter when he came in the NFL. So um, don't
be surprised if if you hear Christian Potter's name, you
know continue to pop up. So more and Cutler coming up,
But first, let's find out what's trending. Welcome back to
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only hard part figuring out which way is easier, Jay Cutler.
That is certainly the news today and there are many
many opinions coming in all over the place, both from
those within the media and those outside of the media.

(25:15):
Fans in Miami, we had at least one caller there
that seems very excited about the idea of no Ryan Tannehill.
Although Ryan Daniel was seven and one in his last
eight starts, so that was he did. He did, he
played well, He struggled early and then he kind of
came alive down and you do have weapons, so that helps. Um.
Cole in Louisiana has tweeted and said, tell the guys

(25:37):
to let me back in. You will not regret it.
I will watch my mouth this time. So we may
have a second and we may have a second run
of Cole riding a dragon coming on out kick of
trying to napalm us all here early in the first hour.
What he said, he has a good Game of Thrones takes.

(25:57):
So maybe when you get to the Game of Thrones
portion of the show, we can we can get him
back into here. How he feels about the last fifteen
minutes of the show. All right, yeah, if we're gonna
do if we end up doing that, um, we'll go
ahead and tell you now, if you hear Cole in Louisiana, cold,
good morning. If you hear that, turned down your radio,
because he might just lead off going straight through. Wait

(26:18):
a second, did you just tweet out that I'm a
Tebow truther? Yeah, talking about Well, you're a Broncos fan,
you're always gonna have a soft spot for TV. Won
you a playoff game? I mean, come on, I mean
it's not like you won a super Bowl recently, so
I can see why you're so excited to be for
Tebow to to come back to NFL. Eventually, I was
not excited about it. I actually asked for those crickets

(26:40):
that Danny g played. I know it sounded like Danny
did that on his own organically, but that was a
Jason Martin creation to make that happen. I mean, I
agree with most of the people that thought that it
just didn't work with him his quarterback. He did win
a playoff game for the Denver Broncos. He was also
responsible for several games in a row of fifty five
minutes of un watchable football and then five minutes of

(27:02):
we don't know exactly what's gonna happen, and we'll have
to see whether or not it's a positive or negative development.
Um certainly, Cutler is a better option than most Kaepernick fans.
I haven't seen a lot of that, you know, like
the Kaepernick I expected the Kaepernick militia to be out
a lot more vociferously than they have been, and I
think you made a good point off the top, Jeff.

(27:22):
That's Jeff Swart's NFL veteran eight years on the offensive
line before deciding he wanted to jump into the media
and stop going helmet to helmet every down for several
months a year. Um, you made the point that Kaepernick,
even Kaepernick's already art and supporters, can't really fight against
the argument that Jake Cutler makes sense here because he's

(27:43):
not that far away from football. Obviously has the tide
of gates where both of them succeeded together in that
fifteen game stretch two seasons ago. So from that perspective,
this is an easy move for the Miami Dolphins that
gives him a quarterback that's he's certainly a boom or
bus can amplier player. But if he comes in and
he's boom at all, and I don't what I when

(28:03):
I said earlier that I didn't expect this to be
like the old Jay Cutler. I don't expect this to
be the yelling in your face Jay Cutler. This kind
of strikes me as one of those moments where he's
gonna come in and just play football without the pressure
that he might have felt in the bigger market in Chicago. Uh,
without that, without that kind of looking down on him
or whatever, everybody's gonna be talking about the New England Patriots.

(28:26):
So Jake Cutler can just go out there and play football.
And if that's the way that it goes, it's potentially
a really really good move. And he can win some
football games. Well, definitely can win football games with his talent.
And I think that he he wants to rehabilitate his image.
He knows the way people talk about him. I don't
think he likes it and maybe just doesn't care. And

(28:46):
that seems to come through at times as well. And
he's playing with the only coordinator that he really respected
when he was with the Bears, and that was Adam Gaze,
and you can see that in his play. You can
see it in his attitude. Now he has to basically
go to Miami, He'll come in. He's gonna hit the
ground running. You know. The one thing that that worries
me about Color is how much has he been throwing?

(29:08):
You know, we we assume I guess that he's been
working out and staying in shape, but you know a
lot of us when we're done playing, we still work out.
I don't lift like I used to. But you know,
I swim, I play basketball, still get in the weight room,
and I keep in decent shape obviously not football shape.
I couldn't play offensive line if I got called tomorrow
to do so. Um. But for him, it's has he
been throwing? Um, Because he's gonna come into camp now

(29:28):
and be expected to throw right away and probably do
a lot of bulk of of the number one reps
because this is his job. He's not coming in to
be a backup to Matt Moore. So how in shape
is his arm, um, and how long does it take
him to get in the rhythm of an offense if
he can't throw? So obviously, I believe they probably vetted
him as far as how much you've been throwing and
how in shape you are, um coming into signing this contract,

(29:51):
So that that's the only question mark I have about
him physically, you know, mentally, he'll know the offense, and
I really do believe that he will try to really,
you know, re abilitate his image, and a lot of
that will come with winning. If he wins, UM, this
will be a rebirth for his career. Maybe this you know,
maybe he plays another couple of years he's still relatively young,
um for a quarterback. You know, now we have guys
obviously Tom Brady play until he's forty, Aaron Rodgers talking

(30:13):
about playing until he's forty. Drew Brees is getting up
there as well. You know, these guys keep keep warning
to play, and if he plays well enough, maybe he
is the long term future for the Dolphins and they
don't have to go get a Cousins or um, try
to trade up in the draft next year for a quarterback,
because I think Tannehill is definitely gonna be gone now
is he missed another year? Um, and he doesn't have
guaranteed money next year, so so he'll be gone. He'll

(30:35):
go somewhere else. So I wonder if this is if
this if color does just view this as a as
a one year deal, or is possibly parlaying this into
another couple of years in the NFL. He's thirty four, right,
you see that right? So yeah, I mean he he
could technically play a couple of years. Like if this
is a rehabilitation stint and it goes really well for him,
maybe he could parlay this into more football if if

(30:57):
indeed that's the route that he wants to go, and
he's interested in in a couple of more more years
in the league before we get to break. We haven't
talked to the guys out in l A. Danny, Robert,
you guys, I don't know how you feel about Jay
Cutler or not. We talked about it a little bit
on Friday, whether or not this was gonna happen. It
seemed to make sense just from the fact that there's
familiarity there. But do you think this is a good move?

(31:18):
How do you how do you guys feel about this? Well,
remember on Friday, I was saying that I actually thought
that the Dolphins were in a good spot with Matt
Moore because right statistically and the eye test, he seems
like a pretty good quarterback. I mean, he kind of
flamed out in that playoff game, but I I really
if I was Matt Moore, I would be I would

(31:39):
be pretty pissed that they signed Jay Cutler. Robert, Well, yeah,
I've been a big Matt More fan going back to
his days. I believe was at Oregon State back in
the day's. Yeah, so, uh, I know, Matt More. Matt
Moore is a great backup quarterback. If you have Matt
More and your roster and your quarterback goes down, I
think you can win, you know, three out of the
four games or so. But if he's going of the

(32:00):
season as your starter and you have legitimate playoff aspirations,
which I think the Dolphins do. Whether that's reasonable or not,
I think you they had to make a move, and
and Jake Cutler was the obvious guy we you know,
with his relationship with Adam Gaze and the success he
had during his one season in Chicago. So we'll see
what happens. This seems like a safe move because of

(32:21):
the familiarity involved in it, and it's not really gonna
bring any distractions other than Jake Cutler being somewhat polarizing
about some people that do like him and a lot
of folks that don't like him for his attitude or
his facial expressions or whatever it is it might be.
But if you start to win in football games, Miami
is definitely gonna like him. On the other side, the
Geico play of the day potentially Cole in Louisiana finding

(32:42):
his way back onto the aar to talk Game of Thrones,
and this could be your Well, we'll go ahead and
tell you right now. Pick up the earmuffs, grabbed them
out of the closet, grabbed them out of the drawer,
wherever they are. We're talking thrones, dragons, and what a
scene in the Loop train last night. We'll talk about
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(33:04):
Radio Studios. It's time for the Geiko Play of the
Day and that's just in New Slash Ladies and gentlemen.
The seventeen Los Angeles Dodgers. Yeah, they're pretty good at baseball. Well,
a fly ball to center field. Good Fort's got a
long way to go and he's gonna run out of room.
Billingers hit another home run Cody Bellinger. It's his thirty

(33:29):
second home run of the year, a crackling line drive
the slight right center field, and the Dodgers now lead
it seven to nothing. What was the Charlie Steiner there?
Cody bellingery to run home run four and forty five
feet to dead center. That shot was from Bellinger that
made it seven to nothing. They'd win at eight to
nothing over the Mets, sweep the series against the hapless Mets.

(33:51):
They're now seventy nine and forty two overall, that is Yeah,
that's impressive. I know Jeff doesn't want to admit as
a Giants fan, but that is definitely impressive. Than that
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(34:12):
Judge is out and is in New York right now
amidst a bit of a slump. Some people are acting
like it's the end of the world. It's not, but
he's slumping right now and they're starting to kind of
figure him out a bit, and he's just hasn't done
all that well since the home run derby. Meanwhile, you're
Los Angeles Dodgers and Mr Bellinger and Mr Turner and
all those guys are really playing well. It's been a
dream season. There's really no weakness right now with the squad.

(34:36):
But every Dodgers fan like me, has it in the
back of their mind that we do not want this
thing jinx. And of course, off the air, Jeff has
been trying to give it to me by saying, Oh,
you know what's gonna happen in the playoffs, You're gonna
get swept And Uh no, Jeff, that's uh, that's not
gonna happen. Being set up for that. This is the
classic team is too good in the regular season, kind

(34:57):
of like the hundred sixteen win Mariners, Right, you get
to playoffs and he's gonna be like Yankees. How about that?
Or the twenties seventeen Golden State Warriors, Gold State Warriors.
There's examples on both sides. I do when I listened
to that home run call, I miss Vincecully? Is that
fair to say? Every time I hear Charlie Steiner, I

(35:19):
just think of him on Sports Center, Like there's something
about that voice that I always think of that one
this is Sports Center ad where he's underneath the table
talking about new overlords with tie around his neck. I
think I think of that time where he couldn't stop laughing. Yeah,
that's another really really good example as well. All Right,
I told you when you heard the following line that
it meant for you to pull your ear muffs up.

(35:41):
If you're a Game of Thrones fan and you have
not gotten a chance to see last night's pretty amazing episode.
So we go back to Louisiana. Cole, We're on terrestrial radio, buddy,
Let's keep it clean. What's up? First off, I just
wanted to say that you and Jeff have done a
fantastic job going in for Clay. You should have your
own show. I think you thank you. This is it

(36:03):
Fox to listen right now, but for the Gamut Throne takes. Okay,
is Denarius eleven snakes hot? No? No, not to me,
not at all. I'm not saying that Amelia Clark is
not an attractive female, but she's not like on the
level of like an Alexander d Dario or somebody like that. Okay,

(36:27):
So I was watching the night's episode and I thought
it was gonna go down, But I'm figuring now that
it's probably gonna happen in the season finale. Is this
is for Jeff and Jason? Who do y'all think kill Sarcy?
I don't think it's gonna happen until the final season.
I think the reason that you're on Great Joy exists
is so that there is a sideline villain that can

(36:48):
die to keep Sarcy alive. So that there's a little
bit of fan service. They can kill your on off
and they can keep Sarcy alive because that's the final salvo.
That's the last thing they need to do. She's been
the villain from the beginning. She needs to last until
the end. You don't kill Voldemort. It's in book six.
You kill him at the end of Deathly Hallows. So
I think that's why you're on Great Joe Exist and
who kills her? I honestly don't know. Are you would

(37:10):
be interesting? But I think that I think there's at
least some credence to the idea it could end up
being Jamie Lanister as well. Okay, so I wanted to
touch base on your negative reviews of Ozark. You've got
Jason Bateman coming in hot, Like, what's your deal on
the negative review? I mean, I'm pretty impressed by it,

(37:31):
all right. A lot of people seem to like it.
A lot of people have kind of gone gone off
on me a little bit about it on my I'll
Kick the Culture podcast, as well as just via tweets
and what I've written at i'll kick dot com about it.
I think it's a good show. I called it Okay,
I didn't say it was bad, it just wasn't as good.
And we'll let Cold go now. As he got in
his television takes and did not use F bomb, so
that was good work by him. They tried to compare

(37:52):
Ozark to Breaking Bad off the top. That was a mistake.
They overshot themselves. If it had just been a show
that came out, nobody had talked about it ahead of time,
I think I would have respected a little bit more.
But it's not Breaking Bad. I think Justified did most
of what Ozark did much better than Ozark does it.
I think Ozark's about a c show personally. A lot
of people disagree with me. I also thought it was
a whole lot of sizzle and not a lot of steak,

(38:13):
a lot of salaciousness without much purpose. It's like they
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that was not a Game of Thrones segment. That was
a coal segment. Uh, a coal in a Play of

(38:56):
the Day segment. I'm Jason Martin, executing a producer about
kicked the coverage on Twitter at j mart ALKI joined
by eight year NFL veteran now retired Jeff Schwartz on
Twitter at Jeff Schwartz calling me a tebow truth through
this morning. So we're having our issues. So we didn't
really get to talk as much about Game of Thrones
as we need to after everything that took place in
that last especially in that lout train sequence in the
last fifteen minutes or so. So again, if you haven't

(39:17):
watched Game of Thrones, we're gonna go ahead and talk
about that now because we've got the guys out in
l a that saw it as well. So Jeff sends
me a message at the top of the hour after
the episode airs last night, he sends me a text
and he says, so we're changing the lead. We're opening
with Game of Thrones, and so, well, we can't do that.
Jake Cutler signed with the Miami Dolphins. He's like, and
then I said, I haven't watched it yet. I'm about
to watch it. I was an hour off last night, um,

(39:39):
taking care of some other business. But he said, after
you watch it, you want to change the league. I'm like,
you're probably right, but still can't. So we talked a
lot about Jake Cutler there, but truthfully, uh, the way
I tweeted it out after the fact was we waited
sixty four episodes to get what we got last night.
I am not a fan in general in fiction of dragons.

(40:00):
It's not something that's ever done anything for me. It
didn't care about Rain of Fire, didn't care about Aragon,
didn't care about any of that kind of stuff. I
did like How to Train Your Dragon because I'm a
sucker for those Pixar DreamWorks, those kind of films. But
this was great. Like the way in which this was
done and you finally saw the nearest just finally take it,
take everything off and go for it. Um. It was

(40:23):
very well executed, and it was done after a whole
lot of dialogue that's set it up. The reason why
I enjoyed it so much is because we got some
boring stuff in the lead up to it. Now, the
dialogue went somewhere in most cases, but anytime Brands on screen,
I'm trying, I'm fighting to stay awake generally, and we
still had that last night where he was just sitting
in his makeshift wheelchair passing a dagger back and forth.

(40:46):
We did get some cool stuff with Aria and Brienne
and some other really nice interesting things, and I thought
that John snow Uh and Danny having their conversation was
certainly an intriguing development as well. But there was a
lot of slow dial log early the first twenty minutes.
I'm like, Okay, so this thing's gonna end with a
bang because it has not started with one. And I
think it was more the calm before the storm because

(41:08):
David Benny off dB whites knew exactly where they were
headed in that last sequence, so to do it correctly.
They got the story portion out of the way, they
got the kind of mythology portion out of the way,
they gave you your dialogue, they advanced a couple of
your other storylines, and then when it was time, here
she comes over the mountain on that dragon, and here
comes the sort of unsully army there, and we get

(41:31):
that last like twelve to fifteen minutes, which was just glorious.
And you know it's good when an episode ends with
almost no music over the credits, like no bed music,
because they're expecting everyone's jaw to already be on the floor. Jeff,
And and I know you felt that way when you
tweeted out that you know, we're on air and however
many hours it was, but I can't go to sleep
right now, and I was kind of the same way.

(41:51):
I was kind of up for another hour and a
half or so afterwards, just kind of trying to process
how effective these last two weeks have been for Game
of Thrones, primarily be because of the balance between kind
of the slower, more story oriented stuff and then the
action and the salaciousness coming in at the right time.
But last night was a master class and how to

(42:11):
pay something to lead to a big moment. No, it
definitely was. And you know when that when they entered
the the the dragon glass little cave and the knights
Kings were drawn up there, I got goose bumps. It's
the only villain I've ever felt that way about, like
I in any movie. I'm on a big movie buff
like you. I don't watch as much tv um as

(42:33):
you have, but like the villain, the Knights King is
such a a villain, it's it's giving goose bumps. And
then when the dragon man, when? When the when? When
the when the army went over the hill and the
lansters were hanging out there and then you heard the
dragon man. I just I got out. I was laying
in bed with the with my iPad and my wife
was sleeping. I got out of bed and walked into

(42:54):
the kitchens. I couldn't just lay there and watched the scene.
I knew was I paused it, I knew what was happening.
I walked out. I couldn't just lay there. I was
so pumped up for this because, like you said, I
tweet as well. We've waited the entire show for a
scene like that with the dragons, and that was only
one dragon. I mean, can you imagine if you go
to battle with three of those things? Um? And I
think you know, Brand's part is boring for now, but

(43:16):
he's eventually going to Oh, I know he's gonna play
here's what I know he's he I know he's about
to play an absolutely norm I mean, he's eventually gonna
gonna have you know, John will probably fly a dragon
and who will fly to the third dragon? Um? But
you know they fired that, Um, what's that weapon called? See,
I'm a very good little details like this. The weapon
they fired at the dragon. I mean, I don't know

(43:37):
either the weapon that basically Searcy found or that they
said they had been developing that Braun used. Is that
the one you're talking about, the kind of spear thing
that almost looked like it came out of a giant bow.
I'm not I'm not big on my medieval weapons. And
I'm just now starting to actually read the books, so
I haven't so I don't know. I think they're past
the books now. I'm not sure this is the rooting

(43:58):
I was rooting for the dragon. I was about to
be really upset if they if they shot the dragon
and it was and it was gone already. Like the
first scene, you finally get where the dragon is doing
what we thought he would do this entire show, and
then they kill him five minutes into the into the scene.
I would have been really upset about that. What's really
interesting about this season Game of Thrones, and then we'll

(44:20):
welcome in Danny g and Robert to talk about their
thoughts on it is that this is only a seven
episodes season, and then there's the sixth episode finale where
the six episodes are potentially going to be feature length
films each that are gonna end this show before Benny
Off and White's move on to either do Confederate or
be stopped from doing Confederate, depending on which side of
the aisle or which side of the argument you fall

(44:41):
on with their upcoming show that would indicate slavery actually
still exists after the South when the Civil War. Um,
I think it's entertaining because we've seen other shows in
penultimate seasons being next to last have to tread water
a lot, and I was afraid we were gonna get
that from Game of Thrones based off the first two episodes.
They were good, but they were seriously trying to pace

(45:03):
themselves last week basically all bets were off and they
went for broke, and I thought it was one of
the best episodes of the series. I don't necessarily think
last night's was one of the best episodes of the series,
but it was without question one of the top two
or three scenes and sequences in the history of the series.
And there was so much accomplished. It does not feel
like to me Game of Thrones is biting its time.

(45:25):
It feels like to me that these two showrunners and
this writing staff understands where they want to go, but
they also have a lot of pathways that they can
kind of diverge on before they get there. They are
finding ways to do this in an entertaining fashion. The Americans,
for example, just finished up their penultimate season. I found
it to be sort of pedantic, a little bit boring,
a little bit dull, and by design because the season

(45:47):
before it was action packed and they're about to have
their final season. Game of Thrones could have easily done that.
They have not all of these numbers, all these ratings numbers,
and if you look at Ballers numbers afterwards, Ballers is
doing huge numbers because people are sticking around after Game
of Thrones, which for a premium network, the numbers Game
of Thrones is doing is absolutely you know, those numbers
are absolutely absurd. But I think they've done a really

(46:08):
good job with this next to last season of keeping
it interesting and not feeling like they're just treading water.
Guys out in l A Robert Danny g how about
that sequence last night in particular, and as Jeff mentioned,
and I kind of forgot about it because you forget
almost everything after you see this dragon sequence. But this
hieroglyphics inside of the dragon glass mountain um showcasing the

(46:29):
first Men and then showcasing the Night King and all
of those things. Uh, there were some really really effective moments,
including at the end, Tyring kind of split in terms
of his own mind about whose side he's really on.
It's like he knows all the people that are dying
at the hands of this dragon. He loves Denari star Garrian,
but I'm not sure he was ready to see Jamie
get off either. So there was a lot of intriguing

(46:50):
kind of back and forth last night during this episode. Yes,
and uh, Jason, two quick thoughts right off the top.
Number one, I don't know what pedantic means, So I
don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.
Move on with that. That's one Number two syrup on
his pedantics and number two, Um, we were talking here
off the air, here in l A, in the studio,

(47:11):
and I don't mean, you know, this is not a
reflection of who we are as people. I don't think
you know, I think we're all good guys, but we
kind of agree. There's a consensus that every time we
see brand on screen, wanting to push him out of
his chair, just something about that kid that nobody likes him.
He looks like the third Gallagher brother from Oasis. He
looks like the younger Gallagher. Absolutely, And you know what

(47:33):
I saw Jeff tweeting about this yesterday or last night,
that scene with the higher hieroglyphics, right, you know, well,
I mean that's I mean, it's probably not the hieroglyphics,
but the drawing, the drawings with the I mean the
White Walkers. That was incredible. And if if he didn't
feel something when you saw that scene, then I can't
talk to you. Yeah, that was one of the first times, guys,

(47:55):
that I've seen something in Game of Thrones that really
reminded me of something I could have expected to see
and Lord of the Rings, Like that was that kind
of reveal, Like it wasn't stunning to see that, but
it was just so well executed, the way it was
laid out, the way John snow told the story to
Denarus from starting to finish, about why that mountain existed

(48:15):
and the people that came before. And it got me
to thinking for the first time that Game of Thrones
could be a cyclical show in some respects, in terms
of it could end where it begins, but with a
new group, Like perhaps it just kind of works in
a circle. You get to the end of that circle
with that generation, and then you have the Humans against
the Night the next version of the Night King for

(48:36):
a third time, or maybe that's not even the first time.
Maybe that's just the time before. There's there's a number
of ways that you can look at this. Danny g
Were you the one that was trying to catch up
or have you caught up in your watching up ahead? Um,
but I I was on the road yesterday, so I
didn't get to see this. Uh. I feel like, did

(48:57):
you give that warning out? And that's great for the audience,
but it I'm, you know, trying to help produce the show,
so I have to have the speaker. It's still worth it,
You'll still enjoy the episode. And then we didn't even
talk about that. I guess maybe we won't now because
you haven't seen the show. The very last scene, huge cliffhanger.
What happens with Jamie? Yeah, I mean there's a lot. Yeah,

(49:20):
I mean it was I mean, he didn't get hit, obviously.
I don't think he died. I think that was kind
of clear the way that they kind of shot it.
He was pushed out of the way. I don't know
if was it Braun that pushed him out of the way.
I mean, we couldn't really tell. It might have been
the other guy who happens to look a lot like
a young Philip Rivers who was in his first battle.
Did you notice that, Yeah, he looked a lot like
Philip Rivers. Like now, um, but you know the thing

(49:45):
about it, the Jamie part is that, so does he
take off he's did he take all off all his
armor in his hand and then swim up out of there?
Does someone save him? I think there's so many differently.
I think he becomes a prisoner. I mean, I think
he becomes a prisoner of course, of of of Denarius,
and then we'll go from there. I'm i this show
like I'm when I started watching this show, I am

(50:07):
I'm not really a fan of this John Rudd all
and I can't get enough of the show. Like I
My brother convinced me to watch because he read all
the books, and I'm so glad I did, because there's
never never been a better show there has been. But
past that, I do think the list well a lot.
I mean I had a list of ten that Game
of Thrones didn't make a few years ago. Now I

(50:29):
think Game of Thrones would fit right around five or six.
Four above Game of Thrones for me, the Wire Breaking,
Bad mad Men, and Lost, which is my all time
favorite show. Um Sopranos would be right there around five.
You've got Friday Night Lights, You've got the Shield, You've
got the West Wing. Like all of those are ones
that made my top ten. I feel like the last
three I just mentioned, I would put Game of Thrones

(50:51):
above now, and I've enjoyed watching Game of Thrones at
this point more than I have something like The Sopranos,
so I might be able to slide it into five.
But I'd love Friday night lights as well, so it'd
be in that five or six range for me. But
that's that's still really really impressive, more impressive than anything.
You know, you always get the tweets when you start
talking about Game of Thrones on a sports show, you'll
get disease and all this other kind of stuff. More

(51:11):
people watch Game of Thrones last night than anything else
that was on TV by far, and I include Dodgers
baseball and braids and anything else that you want to
talk about. Nobody was watching anything last night more than
they were a Game of Thrones. So that's why it
is relevant for us to talk about, not to mention
the fact that we all saw it except for Danny
g which that's painful for me to realize that because

(51:33):
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I know, I know you're producing, and maybe you could
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here on Out Kicked the Coverage. Clay Travis back tomorrow.
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(53:42):
It's out of the way for all you for for
Talk sports guy out there, Jay Cutler is kind of
the big story of the day. We've got Animal thunder
Dome coming up. I'm not really ready for it just
yet because this story is just heinous on about seventeen
hundred levels. So that's a good tease for the end
of this hour when we're actually are gonna hit that story.
But and Jeff, you mentioned this to me, and it

(54:03):
was something I was thinking about as well, a story
that we have not talked about it all today. These
strange and very overbearing, overreaching media restrictions from college football
teams and big programs. In particular, two that have kind
of been in the news over the last week Notre

(54:24):
Dame in Texas. Notre Dames being the newest one. They
put out kind of a flyer for all the media members.
Among the new rules that Notre Dame just listen to this.
Media members forbidden from tweeting or using any form of
social media until practice is over and or until Brian
Kelly has met with the media. Reporters may not reference
play type formations or personnel information. Media may not report

(54:45):
on practice injuries until the program has released an official update.
Media may not quote or paraphrase comments made by the
coaching staff during practice. So that's just four of the rules.
There are a lot more of that. This is like
a sheet of paper and it had plenty of type
on it. Texas has even more of a di pulis policies,
including when there are when there's video being shot, making
sure reporters are not standing behind Tom Herman so that

(55:07):
they're also not in the shot with him. So there's
also like it literally says also to follow up on
a concern that came up during today's post practice availability,
please do not stand behind coach Herman or the players
during the availabilities. The ropes are in place as a
guide to avoid that and to allow the subject to
address the group. And then, of course it happened, and
there's actually, I don't know if there was video, there
was a report that reporters that were standing in the

(55:29):
wrong spot rest to move and Herman stopped talking until
they got out of the way. So all of this
is happening, and when a seven media environment and so
much access being expected from consumers and customers and sports fans,
this is really raising the eye of a lot of
media who have gone after both Texas. I've seen a

(55:51):
lot of tweets the effect of Tom Herman is gonna
be a really easy guy to dislike. I saw one
that says it looks like of all the things Tom
Herman got from Herban Meyer, one he definitely was the
I d g a f attitude towards the media that
Urban Meyer has sort of moved on towards at different times.
And then Notre Dame. Notre Dame is four and eight
last year. It wasn't because of the media, is because

(56:11):
they stuck period. But Brian Kelly is gonna this is weird, Jeff,
because look, I've done a lot of high school football
broadcasting and played by playing stuff like that, and I remember,
you know, you'll interview coaches and they won't want to
give you anything because they think that you're somehow a
scout for the other team. Like I've been a broadcaster
for a school and their coach has not really wanted
to give me much during practice because he doesn't want

(56:34):
to to potentially deal with the leak. The level of
paranoia that coaches have, it hadn't really been that way necessarily.
I've seen the NFL, but in college and in prep
especially is utterly ridiculous and very very obnoxious. Yeah, the
high level of paranoia and college football is remarkable to me.
I think I think it's programs wanting to have absolute

(56:58):
control over everything that they do. UM. You know, they
have control obviously over the players, the staff, and they
want control over how their product is presented, which is
is is the wrong thing to do in training camp.
I think you want people to be excited about your program,
and part of being excited about your program is media
members talking about practice, and media members know they know

(57:18):
that they're you know, they're not gonna say, oh, Texas
is running a reverse past. They're not gonna say that there,
you know. But but if if a guy they expected
to start a safety is now starting with the he's
starting at corner, now, that's important news and that's something
that fan base would want to know. I don't think
that that is a competitive disadvantage when Texas goes I
don't even know they play week one. Um. Look when

(57:39):
as soon as you line up on the field to
play week one, UM, the team has seen what we'll
see what you've done. I think it's it's just paranoia.
It's UM over coaching, you over preparation and the NFL.
So the NFL. UM, during the regular season, you're only
allowed to watch individual but just the first ten minutes
of individual UM, and you can report anything you want.

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And then during training camp you're there the entire practice. UM.
You are not allowed to film if you are a
media member, UM, a national media member, you can't film practice.
If you're a beat reporter for the team. You know,
if you work for the Panthers or Giants or Chiefs,
the teams that play with you, you're allowed to tweet
out videos from the team account as part of a
team employee. UM, but you're allowed to talk about players

(58:22):
that happened. You're allowed to talk about injuries, of course. UM.
But you know, reporters know the limit. You know they
they're not gonna go ahead and give away state secrets
because they want to keep their job. Obviously, they probably
want their team to win, so they don't want to
give away. UM. You know that a certain team, Notre Dame,
is running a new a new trick play and look,
I mean either're giving reporters UM too much credit at

(58:43):
times to give away scheme. I mean there's there are
a lot of reporters who know football, but a lot
of them just just don't know the all the ins
and outs. And you are you assuming that they're gonna
be able to tell you that, hey, today they're running
an eye formation. Today they're running uh spread, running r
p os and all this all this mumbo jumbo that
they they're not gonna want to report that in or

(59:04):
they really know they're standing off to the side, they
can't see all this stuff. So I think that this
hurts um the interest for your team during training camp.
People want to see updates. I am in Charlotte. I
look for updates on my brother at Chiefs training camp
because I want to see how he's doing. Now. We
talk a lot about it, but I want to see
video of it, and so I love when they post

(59:24):
a video of him doing a one on one or
or post a video of the first team offense getting
some reps. And so they're losing out on their fans
excitement for the season by having these absurd media policies.
One thing about Texas in particular and Notre Dame, but
did the same thing about social media posts not permitted
during any of the post practice availabilities and during practice themselves.

(59:45):
It says any social media entries should come after the
conclusion of all post practice media interviews. Our hope is
that you would take time to review your post and
re listen to increase accuracy and ensure the necessary context
and each of your social media reports. The way I
interpret that is if we want to if we want
to craft a different message, we can find a way

(01:00:06):
to sort of b s our way out of stuff
that might otherwise be posted by you and find another
way around it. Like that is very I don't know,
that's very prov to like to me, like just the idea.
It's like, look, if there's a reporter out there that
sees something and he wants to tweet it out, what
business is it of UM Texas or Notre Dame or
any other entity to then say what you just saw,

(01:00:28):
you didn't see. These are not the droids you're looking for,
Like to find another way around that. It seems like
it gives them time to sort of see y a
and fix a problem that might otherwise be exposed in
a spontaneous fashion. Like the whole thing just seems very
It's like why even bother going to practice then? Like
it's it's just put up a camera before practice starts

(01:00:49):
and then take that camera with you and then go home,
analyze it and then tweet out, like what's the difference.
The coaches want total control the program, really when it
comes to the head coach want total control about of
the message and then branding. And this is where you
get into situations where college coaches have too much power.
They seem to have too much power, and part of

(01:01:10):
it is now being able to limit the message that
gets out about about your team, about practice, about injuries,
about new formations that that that you put in. And
I think that we're getting to a point now where, um,
at some point the media is probably gonna have to rebel.
I don't know what that means, and they're probably gonna
pull your credential if you end up tweeting about camp.
But um, this can't continue. And I don't know what

(01:01:32):
it's gonna take. You know, maybe it takes Tom Herman
to have a couple of bad years and and the
media in in in Austin, Texas is crushed on him
all the time, and he decides he needs to be
more friendly, that the media can be helpful at times
if you use them, and you're and you're courteous with
them and your cordial and you work with them. You know,
they can be good to get your message out, the

(01:01:52):
message that you want to get out. He's not gonna
have any friends in the media if he doesn't allow
them to report what's happening in practice. You know, he
you know, maybe he maybe he needs to get a
story out about himself about members of his team. Who's
gonna call um because you're not gonna have any good
relationships with any of the media because he doesn't allow
them to basically report and do their job during practice. Yeah,
I think that's a really good point. No longer is

(01:02:15):
somebody like Tom Herman gonna get the benefit of the
doubt from the media in Texas. Like anything he does,
They're gonna have no reason to spend that positively anymore
because they're not getting the give and take. There's no
compromise in this relationship. And your point about the power
of college football coaches, we can talk about that on
the other side. Our telephone numbers eight seven seven six

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six three six nine. That's eight seven seven ninety nine.
On Fox you can go through a lot of the
top college football coaches in the country, and you can
point to them potentially being the most powerful person in
that state. That was always talked about around Joe Paterno
and why the Penn State situation was able to exacerbate
to the degree that it did so quickly. But who's
the most powerful Alabama. We know the answer to that question.

(01:02:58):
It's Nick Saban. If it weren't Lebron James. Potentially in
the state of Ohio, I would argue that Urban Meyer
is probably the most important person in the state of Ohio,
with all due respect to John Kasy So. I mean,
there are a lot of examples where this is true.
Who's more import or the Detroit Lions. I think it's
I don't think it's Yeah, I don't think it's close.

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So we'll continue. Yeah, so we'll continue to discuss that
on the other side, but quickly at let's go to
Ralph Irvan and find out what's turning. Welcome back to
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is easier. So the idea that college football coaches have

(01:03:42):
a ton of power is nothing new, but at some
point it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy for a coach
that has that kind of power to feel like that
should extend to other parts of his life. And I'm
not suggesting that that means something like Hugh Freeze thinking
that he can skirt the law while still talking about
Jesus Christ and his religion, but just the idea that

(01:04:04):
media shouldn't be in control of me. No one should
really be in control of me. Now we know who
runs Nick Saban, and that's his wife, Terry runs Nick Saban.
And if you've read anything about Saban, you know that
most of us are yes. I cannot speak to that.
I hope I can speak to that at some point
in the near future. But outside of that, who runs

(01:04:24):
these college football coaches. It's certainly not their athletic directors.
I mean, the boosters might have some control to some extent,
but they feel like they should have authority and dominion
over virtually everybody. They are Denarest targe Arian basically by
their birthright, by their job, they should have this kind
of control. So Tom Herman probably doesn't even think that

(01:04:46):
these are obtrusive. He just thinks these are exactly what
it should be, because Texas win in football games should
be the most important thing to everyone in the media,
and it's certainly the only thing that should matter to him. Now,
it's true in most cases it is all that shamant
or to him, but the paranoia is completely just. It
really is utterly absurd. And I do think that there

(01:05:07):
is a point to be made that we kind of
touched on there right before we went to trending, which
was that no longer are these coaches gonna get the
benefit of the doubt, especially if you're Brian Kelly and
you're already struggling to put out these media rules. Now,
if you go out and you go four and eight
again and the media hasn't tweeted anything, then what's the excuse.
The excuse then becomes, you suck as a head coach

(01:05:29):
and get out of town and the media will start
writing columns. You can better believe this putting him on
the hot seat a few weeks faster than they would
otherwise because they don't feel a reciprocal nature to the
relationship between the media and the program. That's gonna happen,
especially if they start the season slow. The media is
gonna come out right away and say he's on the
hot seat or he's gonna be he's gonna be candid.

(01:05:50):
I think, I mean, I think that's gonna happen anyways,
if he struggles, um this entire season. Probably won't happen
in the middle of the season, but towards the end
of the season. And you don't just the way Brian
Kelly is on the sidelines, right He's real emotional, he's yelling.
You could tell he loves that control. And this is
a control play for these coaches. They want to control
the message, they want to control the media. They want

(01:06:12):
to um. You know, Like there's even Organ so Organ
doesn't allow their freshman to talk to the media, which
seems it seems ridiculous. I mean, let let the kids
experience it, let let them make mistakes. UM, you're basically
punishing them for being eighteen years old and being and
being a freshman. Um. You know. And there's a lot
of freshman Organ who are gonna play this year because

(01:06:33):
they have their down on talent, especially on defense, and
they're gonna be contributing factor to the team. You should
allow them to talk to the media, to allow them
to get their message out. And that will help your team.
That will help recruits learn about the players, That will
help recruits learn about your program, That will help your
fans learn about their players have more of a connection
to them. Um. And I just I don't get this

(01:06:53):
this um this distrust of media all the time. The
media is not always the bad guy. They have a
job to do. And yes, there are there are media
markets like I played New York. Okay, the media market
there is vicious, right, there's half the reporters like you
want to want to talk pausive about you have just
want to get a story out. It doesn't matter, um
what it is. I have a I have a good

(01:07:13):
story about that. Actually, So I um to Super Bowl
was in San Francisco, Um, I was was the fourteen season?
It doesn't matter? Oh was it going into Yeah? Okay,
So I'm talking to my brother is about to be
a free agent. Um, and it's February. So I'm talking
to two Giants reporters at the Super Bowl in media

(01:07:35):
row and I basically said that and this is true.
Is I don't know if I would get along with
my brother if we played together. I love my brother
of death. We talk all the time, but we're two
different personalities and we're not always gonna see eye to eye,
and I just think we would argue the whole time. Um.
And plus we had a right tackle in Marshall New
House already under contract. So I'm not going to talk

(01:07:55):
about my brother coming to the Giants with a guy
just played with right. It's not gonna I'm not gonna
do that, so one guy. So I got an interviewed
by two reports at the same time. One guy wrote
a story saying that basically, I want to play with
my brother, but you know, maybe we would argue a
lot like like like siblings do. And run wrote a
whole story saying that how much I hate my brother, Um,

(01:08:17):
I know I don't want to I never want to
play with him. Um you know we we never get along.
And so that I gave the same interview and two
people wrote entirely different stories. So you know, yes, some
media members are out to get you and and to
Texas this point, I guess they can spend however, you know,
whatever you say, UM differently, but you know it's not
all of them. I would say most of them just

(01:08:38):
want to do their job. They want to get positive
stories out, They want to pump up the program because
of the program looks better. They look better, especially if
they start winning. And you know, I just think that
the college coaches are getting way too protective and an
overbearing in their in their paranoia about leaks, plays, formations.
It just needs to all stop. That was a that

(01:09:01):
was a good story. You were very anti media and
that story, but when it was weird, I didn't want
to go here, and I'm not really going to go here.
But just as an example, there are bad members of
the media, and there are a lot of very very
good members. It's just helping me set up this point. Really,
I'm just kind of telling you, like typewriters on them,

(01:09:21):
you should go to Kaepernick out there. But I mean,
like you know, Kaepernick, Kaepernick going after the police. It's like,
there are a lot of very very good police officers.
And yes, there are some scumbags like that dude in
Louisiana with the racist Facebook post. There are bad media
members that are gotcha media members that have absolutely no
interest in doing the job objectively, that have an agenda,
that are trying to build their own brand, build their
own bank account at the expense of the integrity of

(01:09:42):
the profession. And then there are a lot of really
good media members. The problem is, it's like Texas is
asserting is basically basing the rules on the worst members
of the profession as opposed to the probably vast majority
of people that cover that program and cover it respectfully,
diligent lee and within the confines of what you would expect.
It just seems to be a bad way for a

(01:10:05):
new regime to start to already go after and be
antagonistic and be on the opposite side from the media,
at least as as I would see it. So when
Dion gray Joy arrived last night on Game of Thrones
and came out of the water, I don't know if
he suffered sea lights. I have no idea whether or

(01:10:26):
not his legs were okay, we never saw his legs.
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say fifteen percent or more on car insurance. You know,
there have been some fun animal thunderdome stories since we've
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NFL veteran Jeff Schwartz eight years on the offensive line
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(01:11:30):
Costa Rica today at gambling symposium. Well, we've had some
fun with these stories. Monkeys with hands and all of
these kinds of things. And then last week we tweeted
out that video of the what turned out to be
an Asian black bear. Indeed, it was an Asian black
bear that eight the guy who was taunting him with food,
and that video ruined some people's days. I got some

(01:11:51):
tweets really wish I hadn't seen that things of that nature.
So somebody sends me a a message last night at
d M with this story about these sea lace and
by the way, you can d M e minor open
clays are open as well. You can always tweet us
theseus Jeff's are open as well, so you can tweet
us all your animal thunderdome stuff and ruin our days

(01:12:12):
because a lot of these are are very tough, but
this is just absolutely hideous. Let's let's fire the intro
real quick, because it's at least fun before we tell
this story. It's gonna make you never want to be
near the ocean again. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm just glad

(01:12:33):
I was scared, boys and goods. I thought he thought
I was like this ginormous piece of chicken. Diarm Times
is Animal thunder Dog in Melbourne team sam kinse a
going for a swim in the afternoon at Brighton Beach,
which is very popular there. He felt a weird tingling

(01:12:56):
in his legs as he comes out of the water,
and I just tweeted this photo out retweeted from my
account at j more Do. As he comes out of
the water, he notices his feet and ankles are bleeding badly.
He wipes the blood off and more just starts flooding out,
pouring out of his ankles and feet. When he gets
a good look at the skin, he finds hundreds of
holes in his body where flesh was supposed to be.

(01:13:19):
Was taken to the hospital staff guest it maybe some
kind of sea lice, but didn't have any solid answers.
So Sam's father goes back to the beach, chucks some
raw steak in a pool net and scoops up thousands
of weird little bugs and then tells the Daily Mail
they grabbed onto the meat like no tomorrow, They've sucked

(01:13:40):
the life out of it, all the blood. Now, Sam
is expected to be released from the hospital. Actually I
think he has been released now and he's doing okay.
But there are serious issues now with sea lice scavengers,
not just the ones that clean up dead fish, but
the ones that feed on living tissue that see all
of this as food. There are sea lights in all oceans.

(01:14:02):
That's why you actually it. Sometimes when you come out
of the ocean, you'll have a little bit of a rash,
but it's apparently quite rare for them to draw blood
like this. I don't care how rare it is. When
you see the photo that I just tweeted out, and
if you watch the video that I can't. They're just
gonna try and describe here in a second, because I
saw the still shot of it and that was enough

(01:14:22):
for me. I am not going back into the ocean again.
It's not just sharks, it's not just whales. It's not
just sea lions, jerk and seven year olds off of docks. No,
it's flesh eating sea lice that you can't see until
it's too late. Jeff Schwartz. Yeah, so this video is

(01:14:42):
it's disturbing. So the dad chucked in some raw meat,
like you said, some steak to see if he could
catching any sea lice, and it's hundreds of little bugs.
Um actually I thought they would be and they're just
eating the steak and there's pieces of steak that don't
even look ready more have sucked the blood of him. Um.
A University of of South of New South Wales associate

(01:15:06):
professor claims that these video are not sea lights but
another small group of scavengers called and and Fit pods,
which are which are not known to bite humans. Um.
Everything I've read about the sea lices that they don't
go after humans. So I don't even know this photo
of his leg. I mean, they mauled this this poor guy. Um.

(01:15:27):
I wonder if he had a lotion on or he
had something that attracted the sea lesser. Maybe there was
a fish that was dead in the area of where
he put his feet and they were already there. Um.
But it's remarkable that that this this happened and they
attacked him with with I'm no chill from the sea lice.

(01:15:48):
I'm I'm you know, like, I'm more pro animal I
think than you, especially than clay is. But I'm okay
with acting all these sea lice. But I'm not pro bug.
I absolutely can't stand bug. I'm in a constant war
day after day when I leave my place with locusts,
they like to hang out by my door. So I've
been putting up like locust repellent that gets rid of
them for about a week and then they come back.

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It's that they're loud and they move fast. I don't
like things that are loud, move fast, and they're sort
of big and slimy. So that's kind of my issue
with the locusts. But guys out in l A, I know,
we have about a minute left in the segment sea lice.
I'm done with the ocean. Well, I think you shouldn't
be done with the ocean so much. It should be
done with Australia because they seem to have everything that

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can kill you all. So that's kind of their fault.
You know, you know where you live, so you know
that's it. Danny, that's a fair point by Robert. It
was just that was right up there with the hands comment. Yeah,
when Clay returns tomorrow, I'd really love to hear his
take on these lice. Well, they'll be bad. If you
remember what he talked about just the ants, the fire

(01:16:53):
ants when he was in Florida and he had his
to be alive, He's already had a bad international incident
with So yeah, that's absolutely anybody I know. Yeah, that's
a really, that's a really insider point right there. We
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Otto Zone. Thank god, we're done with the sea lice,
that sea life stories like I don't want to that
guy's feet, like the blood on his feet. We tweeted
it out. I tweeted out from j mared out kick.
That was Jes Schwartz laughing in the background. Eight year
NFL veteran on the offensive line with the likes of
the Panthers, Giants, Lions, Vikings. And there's a fifth team

(01:17:58):
that I'm forgetting because I don't have the notice me,
Chiefs is the other one your brother plays there now
he's adding on Twitter at Jeff Schwartz g e O
f F. I'm at j Mart OutKick. We're gonna talk
about Jake Cutler here in a second. But yes, that
is one of the most horrifying photos I've ever seen.
Like blood. I'm not a big fan of blood anyway,
but a lot of blood just oozing from ankles and
feet because sea lice have just chewed holes in this

(01:18:19):
man's flesh. This is actually the sixteen year old kids flesh.
This is just awful. Like stay out of Australia. I
think maybe that is actually Robert said that. I said
stay out of the ocean. He said, no, stay out
of Australia because there are a lot of things there
that can kill you. We've had numerous Animal Thunderdome installments
from the outback from both Australia and New Zealand. We

(01:18:39):
have a big listener base out there. They really enjoy
this program in particular over there. But I don't know
that we're gonna be doing any remote live from Australia.
Maybe we can find like a middle ground somewhere you
guys can come Haters gonna hate sea lice, I guarantee
you that, Jeff, Yeah, they're awful. I would. I mean,

(01:19:00):
I think when you put your feet into the water,
you don't expect to come out and they're blood everywhere.
I mean that that's in the pictures make it worse.
And then the video which you did not watch, these
little parasites whatever they are eating the piece, not even
even if you say they're sucking the blood out of
the steak um terrifying. I mean, look, you can't be
you can't be going the water afreight. I mean to

(01:19:22):
the point of of you know, it's Australia, but look,
you you have to live your life. I mean, you
don't expect to put your feet in there and yet
and get eaten by sea lias. If there's a great
white shark and you see them coming and you don't
take your feet out, that's on you. But just putting
your feet in water to cool down, you think that's
innocent enough, and then you come out and your feet
all bloody. Yeah. I mean, I've had multiple experiences with
jellyfish and I'm really not a fan, like at all

(01:19:43):
of jellyfish. I've become to the realization I love being
in water, but there's something about the experience with jellyfish.
I mean, I've been bitten numerous times by jellyfish. Times
it's different. I've never never done the urination trick before.
I don't think that they existed back when this happened
to me. Haven't been in the ocean in a while.
It's been a long while. As a matter of fact,

(01:20:03):
I kind of stick to the pools now. I don't
have any problem with like fishing or river or anything.
My luck would probably be a piranha infested river, but rivers,
lakes pools. I go into pool numerous times a week.
Is part of my workout regiment. I absolutely love that.
But the ocean, now that there's sea lights that you
don't even know what they're doing, and you get out
and they're bleeding profusely from your ankles and feet, I'm
good on all that. What do you do? What are

(01:20:26):
you doing? Exactly what we're doing right now? Put the
wreck it on? Maybe I should have well done, well done,
very well done. Is this the same music that's playing
in Miami? It's gonna let it ride? That's ludicrous, right,

(01:20:52):
That's that's just Clay's knowledge of wrap right there. You
know it's Mountain Montel Jordan Jay Z and then everything
else is ludicrous. Absolutely everything else is ludicrous. Also ludicrous
to some people, Jake Cutler back out of the Fox
broadcasting booth, didn't even step into it. We never even
heard his voice on television. He's gonna take the suit off.
He's gonna suit up instead in a football uniform and
step back out on the field of a one year,

(01:21:13):
ten million dollar deal with the Miami Dolphins three million
in incentives. The broadcast booth will be waiting for him
afterwards if he was good, and apparently he knocked him
dead with his audition, which he didn't even prepare for
a really smart guy, Jake Cutler, who I think actually
was offered a scholarship to Vanderbilt when he was in
eighth grade, I believe that story is accurate, which is

(01:21:34):
just I mean, he's a really, really smart guy. But
as smart as he is, Jeff, he still smokes like
six packs a day. I looked this up and and
because we talked to the off air is not true.
I I don't believe it's true. He just looks like
he he always is. I think they caught him at
a bar once having having a cigarette or something. But
you know, reading about color now he's been on a

(01:21:56):
good diet. I guess he's lost his dad body. We
Robert mentioned the over under for for number of pictures
of j Cutler's uh ja colors. But is it what
half half half? Did you say? Point five? Yeah? Point five,
because you know three, he's only done one so far.
That's the easiest bet in the world. Like even I'm

(01:22:17):
not pushing on that. I pushed on thirty seven Penis
mentioned in a Jeff Schwartz Collect Travis segment several months Well,
thirty seven was the number, and I pushed on it,
which was just ridiculous for me to have pushed on
thirty seven. But you ended up like you ended up
in the nineties the nineties, Jeff yes me and claimed

(01:22:39):
that one interview he did yes, oh wow, uh well,
he was part of it. But it was just stories
of cranks left and right. It's what it was. It was.
It was a segment of units, is what it was,
or a unit of segments. I it was. It was
utterly ridiculous. But yeah, so Cutler thirty four years old.
But in twenty fifteen fifteen starts with Adam Gaze ass oc.

(01:23:02):
Through fort yards and twenty one TV is just eleventh
thrown to the other Jersey sixty four point four percent
completion percentage, So he really did play well under Gaze. So,
from a safe standpoint, if Matt Moore is a serviceable quarterback,
that's not going to take you anywhere, and you look
at the weapons that you have, you look at a
solid offensive line, you look at three good wide outs,

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and if he's healthy, a really good tight end, a
defense that's certainly got some playmakers on it as well.
You think we should at least be able to get
a wild card. You're probably not gonna beat New England
even if you had Ryan Tannehill. Can Matt Moore get
you a wild card in the a f C? The
answer probably no. Now can j Cutler do it? You know,
I don't know the bookmakers the numbers actually dropped, at

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least in some Vegas sports books by over I think
over a thousand. I think it went from sixty four
to seventy seven d um for the Dolphins to actually
make the playoffs, So I think that it actually harmed them.
According to the Vegas bookmakers, which means Clay would say
that this was a disastrous move most likely because that's
generally where he gets most of his information from the

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playoffs now, and it was before they announced Cutler was signed. Yeah,
that's that's not good that the a f C, though,
has gotten better. If you had told me last year
that that um, that this move was made, I would
I would probably be more positive about Miami making the playoffs.

(01:24:28):
But you know, the Bengals got better this offseason. This
kind of their break there there there um their their
year where they have to to do something finally, I
mean they have to to make the playoffs and hopefully
they have to win a playoff game. Houston has gotten
better with Deshaun Watson. Obviously, the Titans have gone better.
The Colts will be better with luck and the moves
they've made. So there's other teams now in the a

(01:24:48):
f C, you know, Chiefs and Raiders. It's gonna be
hard for Miami to They're not gonna win the East.
We all know they're not gonna win the East with
with New England there, but making a wild card is
tougher than it was last year. And why they brought
in color over Kaepernick or even Matt More who's there,
or or Tim Tebow or Ponder or whoever they mentioned
is because when it when it comes down to it,

(01:25:11):
he has the talent to get them over the over
the hurdle in some games that the offense is struggling
and they need to come back, he has a talent
to do that. Matt More great guy. I know him well,
played with him in Carolina. He's fifteen and thirteen in
his career. He's an average quarterback and he's not gonna
get you over that hump in some situations. And that's
why they brought color in. And also because of course

(01:25:31):
he's familiar with Adam Gays. He's done a good job
with him. And look, I think that he wants to
rehabilitate his image. He knows what people say about him
and this is a good spot to do that. And
maybe he still wants to play a couple more years
and and this can parlay into a longer term contract
with the Dolphins. So to correct July thirty one, According
to this one book, Miami had a plus to one

(01:25:53):
to win the Super Bowl a plus seven sixty to
win the East. Last week, following the injury that moved
up to plus six three hundred, so went up eighteen
hundred after the injury to Tannehill, and then on Sunday,
right after Jay Cutler was signed, that same book moved
to seventy hundred and the division odds are still they
didn't go up that high, but they're now at plus
nine seventy. So that bookmaker in particular dropped them fourteen

(01:26:16):
hundred in terms of their Super Bowl chances after between
the time of the Tannehill injury and the Jay Cutler signing,
which makes you wonder whether or not that bookmaker was
expecting Kaepernick or someone else. But I imagine it would
have been Kaepernick, or maybe they would have been thinking
the same thing with Matt Moore. But if Jay Cutler
is able to come in and play reasonably good football,

(01:26:36):
especially if he's able to play like fairly high level football,
able to keep his turnovers down, throw to these weapons
that they have on the outside, throw to Julius Thomas
uh a solid offensive line that should be able to
move to the football with j j. I. E on
the ground. If he's able to come in and have
sort of a resurgent kind of year, how bad do
you feel for your Chicago Bears fan, especially considering Mike
Glennon and Mitchell Trabiski are the two guys that you're

(01:26:59):
coming into a season with and you really don't know
what to expect from either guy like that, that's gotta
be a nightmare scenario. Correct, Yes, but I think Bears
fans were overcolor, especially in that playoff game when he
had the m CL and he sat out the second
half against the Packers. Um. I think that they got
over his antics and over his attitude and kind of
his dismissal of of other offensive coordinators that they had there.

(01:27:22):
I've heard reports that that Mitch Mitchell Mitchell. What's the
proper way to call Mitchell? See he said, like if
Mitchell was what came out right before the draft, and
we actually had him on the day before then actually
the morning of the draft, and he said that was
just his mom that just during the draft, his mom
wanted wanted to hear Mitchell because that's what she called him.
But he said it was fine either way. I think
Mitch Drabinski sounds more like a quarterback to me, so

(01:27:43):
that's where I want to go. I've heard that he
has done a good job in camp and he's clearly
more talented than Mike Glennon. But he needs to work
on on mechanics of being a pro quarterback, whether it's
taking a snap or you know, handing off in the
play actually with your back turn to the line of
scrimmage and then having to you know, turn around and
see the defense has obviously moved. Then then before you

(01:28:05):
you fake your hand offf So little things like that
he has to work on. But he's more talented. So
in the end, maybe it works out for the Bears
and their fan base with Drabinsky. But I think the
Bears fans would feel upset a little bit if Cutler
went there and played well. But I think they're over
and there they were over him. Uh, he us welcome there,
And I think it's clear because he could have come back.
I mean, they could ask him to resign there, and

(01:28:27):
they just didn't do it because Dan moved off from
him and and from his attitude and from his play.
And you know, they got Glenna now, who is for
life in me. I still don't I can't believe that
he's gonna make sixteen eighteen million dollars um at least
in one season and then they'll have Drabinsky, you know,
hopefully for them, we'll be ready to play in the
eighteen season. Yeah, and you know we talked about this
earlier when we talked about Cutler in this situation. I

(01:28:49):
feel like this is going to be a different Jake
Cutler from an attitude standpoint. This guy's coming in without pressure.
Who's expecting Jake Cutler to come in off the street
at this point, after thinking he's gonna be wearing a
suit every Sunday with Fox Sports doing broadcasting. Who's expecting
him to come in and light the world on fire.
This isn't the pressure that he had in Chicago with
the Bears. With that, I know there's a lot of

(01:29:11):
great Dolphins fans out there, but it's not the same
as these Chicago Bears fans and that division and everything
that goes into it. He's got a coordinator he's familiar
with that he really liked playing under, that's now his
head coach. He's got weapons. I think he's got more
weapons at the receiver position. No shame on Alshon Jeffrey
or some of the guys that they've had at different
times up there, even Brandon Marshall, who apparently has decided

(01:29:34):
that Jay Cutler can bash with him and crash with
him at his Miami's home. Tweeted it out. We'll talk
about that here in a minute. But I think he's
got more weapons now, and I think he has a
running game that he can really look to and rely on.
If he's able to stay healthy and just kind of
limit those turnovers, he should play well. But you know,
you mentioned how he treated his offensive line when they

(01:29:54):
made mistakes. That's the kind of stuff that I just,
for some reason, I know that a leopard doesn't change
his spot. I just get the sense Jake Cutler is
gonna kind of show up and play loose football, and
that could mean a lot of really positive things for
the Miami Dolphins. Well, I think when times get tough,
he will revert back to that that guy who's yelling

(01:30:14):
his offensive and they have a young offensive line minus
pouncing in in the middle, and maybe having pouncing there
will will ease Jake Cutler. You know, playing with a
Pro Bowl center, um quarterbacks are very confident when you
have a guy who can go up there and make
a lot of calls for you and get you in
the in the right direction and color can just kind
of look around and visualize what he's about to do
out there, so that will give him a level of comfort.
You know, I think that he he he's going into

(01:30:37):
the situation. No, at least I think so, knowing excuse me,
the reports about him and his attitude, So he's gonna
want to be different than than than he has been to,
you know, to stick to change the stigma of his career.
So I think that whether he he goes out and
goes out of his way to to be a different
guy or just kind of falls into it, he'll do

(01:30:59):
it because he wants to really rehabilitate his image. And
I think he still wants to play and play longer
than this year, especially if he has a really good season.
He's gonna want to stay in Miami, and they're gonna
need a quarterback for the future. Tannehill is gonna have surgery.
He's gonna be done. By the way the Dolphins, I
think Wally screwed this up. I've never seen a situation
where they just let their quarterbacks his his a cl

(01:31:20):
just heal on its own. Never happens that way. Okay,
we'll we'll we'll kind of start there when we come back.
We'll also talk about this Brandon Marshall tweet if you
have any thoughts. We were especially taking calls when we
took some in the first hour from Dolphins fans. It's
eight seven seven nine nine six six three six nine.
That's eight seven seven nine on Fox. Brandon Marshall tweets out,

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Jay cut you can stay at my house, bro sleepover
in Miami. Next, I'll kick the coverage on Fox Sports
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(01:32:03):
the gambling symposium today. So I'm in Jason Martin, executive
producer of this program on Twitter at j mart OutKick
with eight year NFL veteran on the offensive line. Mr
Jeff Schwartz usually on this program every Wednesday in the
second hour. He's on Twitter at Jeff Schwartz. GEO f
F News coming out here just a couple of minutes ago.
Brock Oswiler will start the Browns first preseason game against

(01:32:25):
the New Orleans Saints. And if you've read anything about
Oswiler and Camp thus far, it is rave reviews coming
from everybody about how good he's looked and how he
has really put himself in this conversation, He's been doing
most of his work, Jeff with the second unit with
Cody Kessler leading off and Sean Kaiser dominating most of
the play and the third team. But now here's brock

(01:32:47):
Oswilder starting, got coaches saying good things about him. The
quarterback coach of the brown saying, there's no way to
sugarcoat this. He's been great. Uh Like he just he's
a completely different player than what he was in Houston.
And we're just talking about Jake Cutler than maybe the
Chicago fan base was done with him either way. Uh,
can you imagine the Texans fans if brock Oswalder goes

(01:33:08):
to Cleveland and actually plays really well down in Cleveland. Now,
I think that you soften that blow a little bit
when you land on the pillow top mattress. That maybe
Deshaun Watson, who I believe could be an All Pro
guy and thought he should have been the first player
in the draft after watching his act for the last
three years at Clemson. But can you imagine if Brock
Osweiler is actually good for the Cleveland Browns. Well, my

(01:33:33):
first thought is that this is gonna be a huge
blow to Bill O'Brien's or of being a quarterback guru,
because if if he goes Brock Oswald, who we all
saw last year played terribly and goes to Cleveland and
plays well for the Browns, and the Browns have have
added more talent. You know, they're not as talented as
the Texans are, but they have some talent. Their offensive
line is a lot better to have some skill position players.

(01:33:55):
I don't know why they let Terrell Prior go who
by the way, I don't know if you've been watching
the videos Washington. He's been smoking Josh Norman at practice
every day and Prior is gonna If you are a
fantasy guy and you you you need a wide receiver,
I would take Terrell Prior. He's been crushing it. Um.
So you know, back to the Browns and Osweiler, Um,
Hugh Jackson has always been a good quarterback coach. This

(01:34:16):
is why I actually thought Kaepernick could be a fit
in Cleveland because Hugh Jackson work with them. Um, they
wanted to trade for him. Um. They thought about doing
that as well as the previous time the Browns did.
So It's not surprising to see him playing well in
this system. It's a matter of when he gets into
the games, can he translate what he's done in practice
to the games. And they're not gonna ask him to

(01:34:37):
do a lot in Hugh Jackson's system. I think they're
gonna be very smart with the way they approached this.
And I thought, honestly, Cody Kesler would have the best
shot to start this year, but it looks like uh not.
It's possible they want to get him some first team
reps um earlier in the preseason and see how Brock does.
And this might be just a one game situation, but
typically the starter who starts game one in the preseason
will start game three, which is what matters in the preseason,

(01:34:59):
and then you will be the regulation starter. I never
thought Kaiser would start this year. I'm actually surprised they
drafted him knowing what's coming up UM in this draft. Now,
in draft, but a lot of teams don't look ahead
that far. We as fans and people that cover the
the industry, we look ahead. I don't think teams do that,
because otherwise they would have never drafted Kaiser, they would

(01:35:20):
have sat with Kessler, they had Osweiler, and they would
have waited to get Darno or Rosen or Allen in
this year's draft. And they can still do that as
well because quarterbacks don't cost as much as they used
to do with the rookie wage scale. So I'm looking
forward to to seeing Ostwiler play. I knows the preseason
their left tackle Joe Thomas won't play. We'll see how
much offensive line plays, but he'll probably get two or
three drives and we'll get a good look at and

(01:35:41):
how much improvement he's made in real live game action reps.
I mean, brock Oswaller didn't get a chance to really
unleash down in Houston. Bill O'Brien was all about some checkdowns.
Like every time I looked up, c J. Fedorowitz was
catching the football for the Houston Texans even though DeAndre
Hopkins was third. Because is that because that was the
scheme or that's because oswar I didn't want to throw
the ball down field. I mean, I think has that

(01:36:03):
in his offense. I think Brock just wasn't comfortable and
making a lot of the throws that he had to
make in Bill O'Brien's offense. And maybe he's got that
comfort level now with the Browns that he never had
in Houston. And that's on Houston because um and part
of that is the free agency rules. You should be
allowed to meet with your quarterbacks. You're gonna sign to
a big contract before free agency starts, and then after

(01:36:23):
you signed him, you should be allowed to work with
him right away. You know, they signed him in early
March and they you know, they don't see him again
until the end of April or mid to end of April.
That's a lot of time that a quarterback can be
spent in the facility, learning the offense and getting comfortable
with with, you know, with what he has to do,
instead of wasting that time because we put in something
stupid in the cb A. So that is Brock Osweiler

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starting the first preseason game officially against the New Orleans
Saints for the Cleveland Browns. The big story Jake Cutler
joining the Miami Dolphins on a one year, ten million
dollar deal to replace the injured Ryan Tannehill with Matt
Moore like backing him up in Brandon Dowdy, former w
KU quarterback as the third string. There our telephone numbers
eight seven, seven nine nine six six three six nine.

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Rich in Montana, I believe has a thought on Jay Cutler. Rich,
good morning, How are you hey? Good? How are you guys? Goody?
I've been a bear spend since I was neat. I
to a grasshopper. I remember the days of Dick Buckus.
But um my, my comment was pretty simple. How many
years did Jake Cutler spend without happening in offensive line?

(01:37:31):
And he's rooming for his life in that back field?
You did get sacked? A la, Jeff, I know you're
the offensive line guru. You break it down. You know
you do that work at sp Nation. Your stuff is
always really really entertaining, either when you're breaking down the
film specifically or writing pieces on it. What was your
take there on just the Bears offensive line that tried
to protect Cutler and where the challenges lied there that

(01:37:51):
may not lie in a pretty talented, though young offensive
line in Miami. Well, he didn't get sacked as much
as people think, And I know that's not the total numbers.
I need to go find the actual numbers. He was pressured.
But you know, the high, the high of his career.
Got sacked fifty two times. He got sacked twenty nine times.
His best season in twenty fifteen, he got sacked thirty
eight times. Um, you know, not every team has a

(01:38:14):
great offensive line. I think the Bears have parts of
Kyle Long is there. I believe bush Rod was there
or was there um when it left tackle, when color
was there, I think that was who who was there? Um,
And he's now actually down in Miami surprisingly enough at
right guard for the for the Dolphins. Um, you know
they they have They've had pieces here and there. Um,
but not every quarterback has a great offensive line. And

(01:38:35):
part of that is the system. So Gaye when he
was in Chicago did a good job getting the ball
out quickly, and he sat twenty nine times, and and
he started fifteen games that year. Um, is not that
bad for an offensive line. But that's you know, to me,
that's always easy to say, guys a bad offensive line.
In some some cases it really is true. Andrew luck
right has never had a good offensive line. But um
colors at offense with Gaye. They'll get the ball out quickly.

(01:38:57):
So in Chicago he should have done better. Um, even
with an offensive line that might not might not be
UM might not be the best. He did hold the
ball a lot like he was guilty of standing in
the pocket and looking around, and eventually the offensive line
can only protect for so long, and that was one
of the biggest critiques against him. I think he's got
guys that can definitely block for him now, and he's

(01:39:19):
got a pretty good running back that he can hand
the football off to. Although he had a pretty good
running back in Chicago pretty much the whole time he
was there, although it was different guys. But I do
think that that's important. He's got to get football out
of his hands now. He's got some speedy targets and
some guys that can get down the field for him
in Miami. But I think he's gonna have to settle
in on a target and get it out of his

(01:39:39):
grip before he takes these shots. I mean, he is
thirty four years old. I have no idea. I really
would love to know, like what kind of training he's
been doing, Like I'm sure he's been in the weight room,
and you said he lost the Dad Bot and we'll
see how many butt shots we get from Christian Cavalieri
as we move on. But past that, like, I do
want to know if he's been throwing the football, Like

(01:40:00):
has he been slinging it at all? And by that
I don't mean the wood, I mean the pigskin, Like
how often you know that I had to get that
Dennis Smith in there. We have to do that at
least once every time that you're hosting with me. But
how can he still throw? I mean, I know he's
still throw, but how much football has he actually been throwing?
Like he has he been in Hattiesburg with Brett Farve,
like throwing to high school kids off of tractors. Like

(01:40:22):
what has he been doing to make this okay? I
know that you don't just lose the talent, but he
didn't have a whole lot of time to get into shape,
so I imagine he's been doing something. I know he
didn't make the decision to leave football six years ago
or anything like that, so I'm just curious. I'll be
very curious to see how fast his fastball is. Well,

(01:40:43):
he won't he won't lose I don't think he'll lose
the speed on his fastball. It's a matter of practice
and and getting um and getting his arm in shape
to to to make every throw that he has to
in practice to get ready for the season. That's what
I'm worried about. I'm not worried about his his arm
um being strong still. I'm worried about it being strong

(01:41:05):
over and extended period of time, especially in a ball game,
and just being in shape. So I guess we'll find
out the first practice. I mean all the media will
will be there. It's not it's not college. The media
will be there. It's open. They'll have video of it.
I'm sure NFL Network will be there covering I'm sure
he has pain will be there covering it, and and
we'll get to see firsthand how good of a shape

(01:41:25):
he is. I would have to imagine that when Adam
Gaze called Cutler or Cutler called Adam Gaze. UM believe
that was the first contact they had. There was a conversation, Hey,
how much have you been throwing? Uh, this is what
I've been doing. But with a coaching laws, I think
they're probably in Los Angeles now, I'll be with a
coach in Los Angeles. Um, you know, this is what
I've been doing uh to get ready, because I think
that is important. If I doubt they would have signed

(01:41:50):
uh Cutler if he did not say he's been throwing,
because that that would make no sense to sign him. Um,
he just wouldn't be in shape for the season. Yeah,
I hope maybe we find out a little bit more
about that over the next couple of days, and maybe
we will. We'll find out exactly what he's been doing.
But I think what you're saying that could have potentially
been happening in California certainly makes a lot of sense.

(01:42:10):
I know. We've got a couple of other callers eight
seven seven six three six nine. We'll start with the
Vegas Local coming up, but first let's find out what's trending.
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The only hard part figuring out which way is easier.
I said we were going to the Vegas Local, and

(01:42:30):
then the Vegas Local gave us the heisman. He was
gonna go with the Kaepernick versus Cutler debate, which I'm
sure you will hear in different places today. Colin Kaepernick
still not signed, still out there in the news certainly.
But I think the more interesting story where the other quarterbacks.
Jeff that we're considered by the Miami Dolphins. I'm not

(01:42:53):
gonna ask for the music again. We did an early
Tebow watch in our one, I said that there was
one bookmaker that dropped the Dolphins from a plus sixty
after Tannehill's injury to a plus seventies hundred after Jake
Cutler was signed. If the Miami Dolphins had gone with
Tim Tebow, what would that number have gone to plus

(01:43:15):
hundred thousand. I mean, it's not making a playoffs with
with Tim Tebow. You're kidding me. Just stopped with that.
I boways want a playoff game with fifteen under center? Well,
not understand. Don't even know Rex Grossman went to the

(01:43:36):
Super Bowl, Okay, Um, you know like it doesn't it's
it's I love how that's that's people are Well, he
won a playoff games, so lots of bad quarterbacks wouldn't
playoff games. Um, I don't know who leaked this out.
By the way, if it was a Dolphins to who
leaked this out, which I don't think it was. Um
that makes no sense. It makes him looking competent. They've
thought about Tim Tebow. I've seen that. I've seen five

(01:43:57):
names you mentioned, you know, Cap Tebow, ort In, Christian Ponder,
Christian Ponder, and r G three. And this petually to
a point that that often gets overlooked in the NFL.
And I've dealt with this as as a seventh round
draft pick. If you were a first round draft pick,
you always get looked at ahead of anyone else one

(01:44:18):
because you were drafted that high. People think you're ultra talented.
Even a guy like Tim Tebow was pick overall. You know,
he's probably went two rounds higher than he should have gone,
but he went in the first round, and then it's
always gonna stick with him. And so that's why you
got a Ponder, got like Tebow, got like RG three.
They're always gonna be looked at is having first round talent,

(01:44:38):
and coaches will always think they can fix them. Come
to my program, I'll fix them. It happened. It was
offensive on all the time I dealt with in a
free agency where being a seventh round draft pick, I
was always overlooked for a guy who I was better
than who was a first round draft pick or a
second round draft pick. It's always gonna be that way
in this situation. I think those are why those names
with them out there. Obviously Tebow has a connection to Gaze,

(01:44:59):
but Paul Or doesn't. R G three doesn't, And it's
just being a first round draft pick carries so much
weight in the NFL. That's why these names keep getting mentioned.
I think RG three will will will get mentioned. Um
with you know, jobs open up. I think Ponder will
eventually get signed for for some team from be a
backup or I don't think he'll start anywhere, but he'll
be signed somewhere. UM. And those names, by the way,

(01:45:21):
we're talked about two back up Matt More. I think
those five names would not come in and start over
Matt or even Kaepernick at least at least to start out,
which would be a mistake. I think if you signed
Kaepernick you have to play him. If he's a backup quarterback,
the noise for him to play would be so loud.
And you talk about distractions not wanting them, that's a distraction.

(01:45:43):
If he plays football for your team, and if he
plays well or plays terribly. The focus will be on
his actual on field performance, not what else he does
off the field. And if he's a backup, it's only
going to be about off field and then about on
the field. It's gonna be if Matt more of those
three in reception, and why isn' Kaepernick starting? Why is
he playing? And the media storm, the social media um

(01:46:07):
think tank will be will be going off the chain
if Matt Moore doesn't play well and Kaepernick is sitting
on the bench. Yep, I mean that's that's the same point.
We both made that point last week when we were
discussing Kaepernick, which is it's not necessarily the distractions. Now,
it's the distractions when your quarterback has one bad quarter
and Twitter explodes with activists that want Colin Kaepernick in
the football game and then have all sorts of reasons

(01:46:29):
that aren't true while he's not in the football game.
I think you also made a really interesting argument there
about the equity created by a first round draft pick
because he had first round talent based on evaluations coming
out of college. It's like, well, that guy could play.
We know he can play well. He just hasn't been
with the right guys I can fix him. That's like
trying to fix your boyfriends slash girlfriends slash wife slash husband.

(01:46:50):
It's like, you better find the right one because people
don't generally change. Fixing the project idea is not a
good one. And this is sort of off the beaten path.
But because you mentioned being a of the round draft
pick a couple of different times for somebody like you,
was it and honor? Was it important to you to
be drafted in the seventh round or would you have
rather just been an undrafted free agent been able to

(01:47:12):
pick your spot? This is you want some story time,
I'll give you a good story. So um So the draft.
So the draft when I was in the in the draft,
it was it was it was two rounds, I'm excuse me,
two days. First and second round was on Saturday, and
then the last five rounds were on Sunday. And I
thought I was anywhere between the tenth and fifteenth best tackle.
I I didn't. I didn't think of myself much higher

(01:47:33):
than that. I didn't think of myself much lower than that.
So the draft um starts on Saturday. I'm not gonna
watch it. I go actually watch a Buddies baseball game
and eight tackles get drafted in the first two rounds.
I might even been ten. And it was some good
tackles Um, Claydie, Jeff Ota, Brendan Albert, I believe Dwayne
Brown was that year, Jake long Um, Sam Baker like,

(01:47:54):
there were some good, good tackles taken in the first
two rounds. So I thought on myself, look, I'm I'm
coming up because I'm gonna be drafted weight elier than
I thought. I thought I'd be fourth to sixth round UM.
And so Sunday morning, I decide I'm gonna watch the draft.
So not at six am on the West Coast, I
get up, go away on the futon and my my
dad's office, and I put the TV on. No one calls,

(01:48:14):
No one calls the third round, the fourth round, the
fifth round. UM. By the end of the fifth round,
I started getting calls from teams basically telling me that
they liked me and they're gonna fight for me. Like
offensive line coaches would call and say, hey, we like you,
but you know, well, well I'm gonna fight to to
draft you. And it wouldn't happen. And during that this
entire time, I was pacing I went outside and played basketball. Um,

(01:48:36):
when it walked up the street. I mean, just waiting
this whole time. Sixth round rolls around, more teams kind
of do the same thing. They're kind of gauging interest
in me. The seventh round rolls around, and teams are
now calling to convince me to sign as undrafted free
agent because when when the draft is over, there's obviously
still guys that have to fill out the roster, and
there's a rush to sign undrafted free agents and a

(01:48:58):
lot of the process is just signing bonus. Um. You
know how much you're gonna give an as signing bonus
for an undrafted guy is anywhere from um five thousand
to maybe twenty five thousand at the high end. And
what teams are doing now is they're guaranteeing part of
your contract so they don't have to give such a
big signing bonus. So they give five thousand dollars signing

(01:49:18):
boats and guarantee you thirty thousand of your contracts, so
if you get released, you get thirty thou dollars um
when you get released eventually, So the teams are kind
of incentivizing rokie contracts. Undrafted guys like that, so I
had a deal in place to go to another team. UM,
and I got called by the Panthers and I was
sitting on the couch. I remember the charlotteber pulled up. UM.

(01:49:39):
They called me and they said, UM, are you excited
about getting drafted? And I said, at this point, I
don't even care. And they said, UM, well, we've drafted you.
And of course I was super excited. But at that
point I was just over the whole process. I was
done with it. Um. I had I thought I would
get drafted higher. I even go back to to Wikipedia
and look at the draft and look how many guys

(01:50:01):
above me failed. It fails a bad word, didn't make it.
Um And and to see where I was. I always
I kept that as a as a source of pride,
that I that I beat out all these guys that
teams took ahead of me, that team didn't think I
was worthy enough of being a draft pick. And you
know that that's always stuck with me. But they called
me and I said, I don't even care at this
point because I was so over the process. It was

(01:50:22):
a long day. And when they tell you don't watch
the draft, don't watch the draft, especially if you're a
guy like me who was a friends draftball player. I
was shocked I was drafted so late. Um, I didn't
think I was that bad in college. Um, you know
to where I was the tackle taken. It sounds like
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stop responding to everybody. Just figure out take the high roads.

(01:51:07):
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if Lebron James could maybe do that once. If Kyrie

(01:51:31):
Irving and Lebron James, and this is from an article
I read, it moved there seemingly real disconnect into social
media beef. You'll have an easy time believing Lebron taking
a shot at Irving. So he posts the video of
himself singing along to nineteen forty two Flows by Meek Mill.
The lyrics there money power, respect. I know these expletives upset.
They ain't see me fail yet wins and loss. You

(01:51:53):
want to see me fail. Then he points at the
camera and laughs. It may not be about Kyrie. It
could be about Michael Jordan's saying that Kobe Bryant is
higher on his list because he's won more championships and
Lebron James. Could be about Steph Curry, who claimed that
what he did at that wedding was out of respect,
that that's one of his favorite videos, that he just
thought it was great, that he wasn't trying to mock
Lebron James at all, which I absolutely don't believe. I

(01:52:16):
think it's his favorite video in the same way that
me watching the gymnast run into the pommel horse face
first is my favorite video. I watched that video all
the time I watched it. I don't know if you've
ever seen the full court basketball shot that used to
be on America's Funny as Something or others, but you
can find it on YouTube. It's just a full court
heave and this girl is running across the baseline and
gets just tagged and just flies into the backing wall

(01:52:38):
like that is the kind of video I would assume
this is for Steph Curry. You go back and watch
things that are awful just as well as you go
back and watch you know, Oza Mandy is from Breaking
Bad or something like that. But Lebron James has to
post this video, right he doesn't. That's the whole issue here.
Lebron James cannot just let stuff go. He needs to
just just stop talking, like, let these people continue to

(01:53:01):
jabber and then just go out there and play basketball.
Jeff and Jeff schwartzs NFL veteran's been in with me
the last few days. I'm Jason Martin. Clay Travis is
back tomorrow. Uh, Lebron just has not seemed to learn
and you feel like you should know this by now,
just don't respond. It's not gonna look weak. Lebron's just
gonna look like you don't care. This is why people

(01:53:21):
are reluctant to put Lebron up there as one of
the all time greats. If you look at Kobe Michael
Jordan's they're killers man and they don't care what people
say about them, and Lebron cares way too much. And
that's why people will never give him the respect I
think he deserves. I'm a big fan of Lebron. Um.
I think he's the most talented player of all time

(01:53:43):
and the NBA physically gifted player, which I think is Um.
You can't argue that it's not. You can't say Jordan
was more physically gifted. Jordan was a better player. Um.
But I think that that killer instinct Lebron has at times.
But then he's also petty and and he also responds
to these two social media and too videos and when

(01:54:04):
guys mock him, and I think he's just let it go.
He's using for motivation and not respond to every little thing.
He's He's at the top of the mountain. Everyone's gonna
take shots at him. He's got to learn that he
doesn't have to answer all these um I think it
would make him right by more people if he wasn't
always triggered by any time someone says him negative about him.

(01:54:24):
He has to feel that he needs to respond. Now,
I will say that Michael Jordan's when it came down
for his Hall of Fame speech, he revealed that he
was a little bit whiney as well, and he certainly
didn't forget anything. But while he was playing, he basically
just killed you on the basketball court. Kobe Bryant did
as well, but they held grudges and they certainly cared
when people said something. Lebron James just seems to go

(01:54:45):
about it the wrong way. And I, like you believe
he's the most talented player and certainly the most physically
gifted player that has ever existed in this league. But
because of that, and I think that I think Lebron
sees his throne crumbling around him. Kyrie wants to go
be a star or somewhere else. John Wall came out
and said he thinks that's crazy. But John Wall is
a star somewhere else. He's the a star on that

(01:55:06):
Washington team. John Wall, who I really really like. But
Kyrie Irving wants to go away. He knows that the
Warriors are now kind of the team, meaning Lebron James
knows that, so he I think he feels threatened. He
feels like his time on the iron throne is coming
towards an end. He is Robert Barathion at this point.
He doesn't know how long that he's got left on

(01:55:26):
that throne. So I do think that he's taking more
I think he's getting more sensitive, and that's exactly what
he shouldn't do right now. He should just be the
regal statesman that's still the best player in the world
instead of uh, falling prey to this. All right, Jeff,
I know we're here just about out of time. We'll
talk to you on Wednesday morning an hour or two.
Clays back tomorrow. Always good having you in. I hope
you enjoyed it, and we will catch up with you

(01:55:48):
on Wednesday. All right, Yeah, sounds good. Thanks for having
me this week. That's Jeff Schwartz. I'm Jason Martin, the
Big Guy. Clay Travis back tomorrow on Fox Sports Radio.

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