Freaky Friday

Clay Travis talks about the Virginia Tech Women's Lacrosse team that are being deemed racist due to a video that surfaced of the girls singing along (n word and all) to a Lil Dicky song. Clay points out that intent matters and that we shouldn't label these girls as racists just for singing along.

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doozy of a story that is going to, I think,
hopefully make us all more intelligent and make the world

(00:50):
a better place by the time we finished this conversation.
Will it? I don't know. I have my doubts. We
live in a polarized era. We live in an era
where reasonable people can no longer have conversations. That's the
battle that OutKick fights every single day. And last night, UM,
as I was getting ready for bed, one of the

(01:13):
OutKick crew sent me a link to a story that
I found to be pretty fascinating that deals with the
intersection of sports, race, politics, and everything else associated with
those dynamics. And it is this um A video has

(01:34):
emerged showing Virginia TECHTS women's lacrosse team and they are
singing along and I bet you have this song somewhere,
Danny g I'm gonna come to you early. Do we
have the song Freaky Friday by Little Dicky? Yeah? Let

(01:56):
me pull that up? All right, pull that up. I
am not an expert. I'm not an expert in modern
day rap or really modern day music in general. I
I my kids are not old enough to be all
in on new music, and I kind of stick to
my tried and true uh nineties and two thousand songs
that I was comfortable with then maybe some earlys So

(02:18):
my bet is also the vast majority of you across
the country who are starting off your day, um, have
are also similar to me that you're not like regularly
listening to Freaky Friday by Little Dickey. Um And maybe
I've heard this song. Maybe I have not. I've got
out at the bars as much as I used to be,
But I want to play this song for you guys.

(02:40):
And I'm assuming here we go. Welcome bet him, little Dick?
What the he man? This is real week. I was
standing first upon like that, woking down the street, and
they nobody. No, my Papa Rosie flashing pictures. This is great,
no buddy judging because I'm black on my controversial past.
I'm gonna gonna see a movie ever. Rack. Hey, I'm

(03:00):
a blood, but I can finally wear blue? What is
mama calling all the time? Maybe the heck a long day? Wait?
If I'm a diggy Boddy Breezy? Is who all my
daughters in school? Wait? I father Chris Brown were up people?
What I can so? How did she turn into freaky
foun Have we got no choice but to turn it? Say?

(03:24):
I can't believe that is freaky time? All right, So
you get a sense for what the song is there.
It's an upbeat, enjoyable you know, sort of like party
anthem for lack of a better way to describe it.
That it is popular with many college kids right now. Well,
in the wake of the Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team

(03:46):
winning their game against Elon on sad last Saturday. So
just a few days ago, Uh, the team was listening
to this song and they were singing along with this song.
Uh they shared it on Snapchat. Um junior on the
team did took a video of the team sending along

(04:09):
singing along with this song on Snapchat to celebrate their win.
And she put it up on Snapchat and immediately it
turned into a controversy. I believe we have a twelve
second or so Do we have that ready, guys, because
you just heard the song. But we have like a
twelve second or so long segment and you always know

(04:31):
that playing audio on this show, we have about a
thirty percent success rate. So let's see if we can
play it. But it's the members of the Virginia Tech
women's lacrosse team singing along here. It is all right.

(04:55):
So there are quote unquote racial slurs in the song
and these are white girls singing along with it. It
has turned into a massive controversy, and it is uh.
It is now kind of ricocheting throughout social media outrage internet.
The coach has responded, telling The Roanoke Times, this is

(05:18):
a teachable moment. It's not something that we're proud of.
The team is very apologetic and sorry. There's nobody of
any color that should say at period. There's nobody that
should say it now. When I saw this story, what
immediately jumped out to me was what I often talked
about on this show, we have lost all ability to

(05:42):
distinguish and contextualize in modern day life. And so this
idea that if you sing along with a rap song
which is wildly popular, and you are a minority, you
are not a minority, then you are being racist, And

(06:03):
that to me doesn't strike me as being a legitimate
perspective on a story like this. Again, this was if
you're familiar with Snapchat, and some of you listening to
me probably aren't, but if you're familiar with your kids
using it, this is a short, you know, fifteen second
uh you know video basically that was posted on Snapchat.

(06:26):
Somebody was offended because they are singing along again to
the lyrics of a popular right uh song, and there's
a major controversy that has emerged. Uh. And the teacher,
I mean that the coach said there was no malice involved.
I'm reading from his quotes in the Roanoke Times. They

(06:47):
just thought they were singing along to a song they
had just won. They're singing songs. The first couple of
songs were Disney songs. They were celebrating, they were dancing,
and they were excited. They're good kids that made a
bad decision. We're trying and this is like he's throwing
himself there. The seventeenth ranked team in the country and
women's lacrosse probably be the only time we talked about

(07:09):
women's lacrosse on this story. UH, and tonight they play
UH number five North Carolina. We're trying to do what's right.
The coach said, this isn't something that we sweep under
the rug. The team is extremely sorry. They're trying to
make it right and I know we'll never make it
right with anybody, but this is a moment that defines
the program, but yet a moment will help the program

(07:31):
be better. They've got to be educated to make better decisions.
They've got to know what's socially acceptable, and I think
they're learning all those things. It's a lot on me
as the leader. People forget amazing line here, I'm a
minority UH song is a Asian UH minority UM. The
Virginia Tech a Athletic administration has also met with the

(07:54):
team UH and asked if that would there would be
disciplinary disciplinary action. They said, we're working through everything. Still,
all of these ridiculous comments. Now again, this is a
popular rap song, and I think about this because it's

(08:14):
connected to athletics, obviously with Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team,
but it's happening now every now and then that people
are getting triggered across college campuses. I think it happened
at the University of Memphis recently when a white fraternity
guy was doing karaoke at a charity event and he
rapped along to a Kanye West song which had a

(08:35):
racial slur in it. Again, most of the time, and
I'm not an expert in the in in in the
in the breakdown of racial slurs. To my knowledge, I've
never used one in popular parlance, uh in discussion. But
there's a difference between award ending in a an award
ending in the er. And I also think, and call

(08:58):
me crazy, if this is a wildly popular song, we
have to consider the context here. Do you think a
bunch of eighteen and nineteen and twenty year old girls
are being racist when they wrap along with a popular
rap song as part of their celebration of a victory.

(09:19):
They are paying homage. They are crediting the the talent
here who has created this song by embracing what he
has created and not editing themselves as they are singing
along to me, if a word is so destructive that

(09:41):
it can never be uttered aloud, even as part of
a joyful, prideful anthem by anyone other than black people,
then the song shouldn't be released by a major music label.
We can't have different standards for speech in this country
predicated on things that you don't control, such as the

(10:02):
color of your skin. That is my position. I am
curious on your positions, and again I'm trying to have
a reasonable discussion here about the intersection of race and sports.
Through Virginia techt women's lacrosse team, they are rapping along
to a popular song. How popular is this song right now?

(10:22):
Danny G. You're more plugged in with what the obviously
the current music is because you're picking all the songs.
I mean, it must be insanely popular if the whole
team knows it. I listened to Power one oh six
every evening on my way in and that that is
our hip hop station, one of them here in Los Angeles,
and it's on pretty much every night, So it is
a really popular song, especially in the mixing. But one

(10:43):
thing I should point out to you, Clay little Dickie
is a white rap artist and obviously we all know
Freaky Friday of the movie. The whole point of the
song is that I don't even know. Yeah, he The
whole point of the song is that he and Chris
Brown trade places. So he joking in the song that
he now can say those words. Yes, so it makes

(11:04):
it more interesting. And also like if that's really awesome
that I didn't even know Little Dickie was white, which is,
by the way, the use of the word little it
throws me off anyway, So that this is this is awesome.
There's so many different levels here. Uh So, is it
controversial that he is doing it? No? But I think
that he and Chris Brown were kind of laughing as

(11:27):
they recorded this because that that's one of the funny
parts of the song is that they trade places. So
Chris Brown is now a white rap artist and Little
Dickie is now Chris Brown singing and dancing and using
the N word. So this is the ebony and ivory
of our age, right, this is that? So it's even
more ridiculous that this would be controversial then, right, I

(11:50):
mean to me, because the the intent of the song
is to ridicule the absurdities of our modern racial universe
that we have created. Everybody is walking around on eggshells
all the time. All right, So I want to open
up the phone lines here. Dead Spin, predictably has treated
this as if it is just unacceptable. Uh. And the

(12:14):
headline is even unfair. Video shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse
team chanting the end word. Coach calls it teachable moment.
Were they chanting the in word or were they singing
along with a popular rap song? So this story is
ricocheting everywhere. Again, this is dead Spin's headline, which again

(12:36):
I think also factors in with the way stories are
played out video. The headline is video shows Virginia Tech
women's lacrosse team chanting the N word. Coach calls it
a teachable moment. Uh. That is their headline at dead Spin.
It features the video uh, and it is uh. It
is obviously written as if this is like the peak

(12:58):
of racial instance. It's of it in Uh. There's also
some pieces here uh from somebody on Snapchat saying please
take the video down. We weren't trying to be offensive. Uh.
And so I uh, I want to get all of
your reactions because my argument here is this, and I
want you To be clear about my argument, we have

(13:20):
so d legitimized conversations on race in this country that
basically we have boiled them down to if you use
a racial slur, you are racist. It doesn't matter the context,
it doesn't matter the content, it doesn't matter anything other
than the fact that if you are anybody other than

(13:41):
black and you use the in word in a song
that is used to ridicule the creation of separate universes
and is throwing them us, turning them asunder via Remember
that the movie back in the day, Freaky Friday. I
didn't know, I didn't know the background on this song.
It's not like I'm an spurred on modern pop music.

(14:02):
But this, to me seems to be the very intent
of the song that is being embraced by this Virginia
Tech women's lacrosse team. You heard all the quotes from
the coach where he's throwing himself on the sword, begging
for people not to be offended, hoping that his players
are not going to get suspended for this? Am I
crazy for believing that this is the fount of ridicule?

(14:26):
This is the end of identity politics. This is where
we all end up, where certain people can use certain
words even when these Virginia Tech lacrosse players are singing
along with the song that they love and respect by
a white rapper and a black guy, and pointing out

(14:46):
the absurdity of our different speech patterns based on things
that we don't control, such as the color of our skin.
I want your phone calls. I want you to be smart.
I want you to be intelligent. I want you guys
to talk about this to make America better. Eight seven
seven nine nine six six three six nine. My contention,
it is stories like these which continue to divide us

(15:09):
and create absurdity. Context matters. Here was there in intent
to be racist? God? No, Yet it is still a controversy.
And this is a controversy frankly, that is taking place
now on college campuses on a regular basis because everybody
can grab Snapchat, everybody can grab the video with their phones.

(15:30):
And if you're wrapping along with a with a karaoke
event which literally puts oftentimes the lyrics in front of you,
is this racist? Is this something that kids should get
suspended for? I think it's insane. I think it's an
example of our country going crazy. But you can certainly

(15:53):
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This is Little Dicky, a guy I had no idea
existed until about twenty minutes ago, or until I read
this story, which is going viral across the uh perpetually
outraged Internet. A group of Virginia Tech women's lacrosse players
celebrated their win over Elon on Saturday by singing along
with a bunch of different songs. One of them was

(17:55):
this song Freaky Friday, about Chris Brown and Little Dicky
switching places. In included in the rap lyrics the N word.
It is now considered to be racist. Uh, there is
much outrage. Will these girls be suspended? I think it
is just absolutely insane, And I'm starting off the show

(18:15):
with a plea that will probably fall much on deaf ears.
The way that we talk about race in this country
is fundamentally broken. People say racism is bad, which essentially
means that white people that's all they say. I guarantee
you there will probably not be another white guy who

(18:37):
talks on the radio about sports that will even touch this,
because they'll be like, what do I gain? By discussing
this story. If somebody gets offended, if somebody says something wrong,
next thing, you know, it's a huge controversy. Some people
run from controversial topics. I run to them because I

(18:59):
think oftentimes we don't discuss the reality of life in een.
We just talk in binalities. Racism is bad, uh, sexism
is bad. We don't get into the actual nitty gritty
and say, you know what, context matters in stories such

(19:19):
as these. In my opinion, this is not racism or
even anything remotely close to racism. And what we have
done is we have built a universe where a certain
segment of the population just automatically brands every single thing
under the sun racist. And as a result, I believe

(19:42):
I see it all the time. White people are just like,
screw it, I'm not getting involved in this conversation, and
that's because they're always the villains. My position on racism
in the twenty one century in this country, particularly as
it pertains to the world of sports, is that the
country is a lot different now than it was in
nineteen sixt eight, fifty years ago. In ninety eight, you

(20:03):
basically had white people in black people in this country
and racism was a function of white and black interaction,
frequently white with power, black without power. That is not
the case in a huge percentage of people who are
listening to this show right now are Asian, They are Hispanic,
they are of mixed race, they may be Native American.

(20:25):
There is a huge, massive melting pot of race and
culture in the United States, and that has nothing to
do with white and black people. And my position is
that the way we talk about racism in eighteen is
the same way that we talked about racism in ninety
eight and that it's fundamentally broken. I got a crazy
proposition for you. I believe that every race has people

(20:49):
who are racist. There are Asian racists, there are Hispanic racist,
there are Black racist, and there are white racists. The
only people who are really considered racist by and large
in this country in this day and age are white people.
And as a result, white people are like, I'm just
out of this conversation. I'm not interested in having this

(21:10):
conversation because this is how I get fired from my job.
I think one reason we have Donald Trump is not
because a lot of people who voted with Donald Trump
agree with everything that he said. I think it's because
they feel like our national discourse is so artificially stilted
that they're happy that somebody is just pointing out the absurdity.

(21:31):
And I think, frankly, this story being covered by frequently
a far left wing sports media. Again, this is the
headline that's up on dead Spin. These girls win a
game in women's lacrosse at Virginia Tech. Then they go
celebrate and sing along with a bunch of different songs.

(21:52):
One of the songs, or multiple of the songs, go
up on Snapchat and somebody decides they are offended by
the girls singing along with the rap song Freaky Friday
by Little Dickie, who's a white guy contemplating what his
life would be like if he was a black guy,
while Chris Brown is a black guy contemplating what his
life would be like if he were a white guy.

(22:13):
It's a comedic rap song designed to skewer the way
that we talk about race in the modern era. And
yet these Virginia Tech girls who love this song are
rapping along with it, paying homage to the song because
they like it, and it has become a massive controversy

(22:34):
where people are calling for them to be suspended, and
the headline, again from dead Spin is video shows Virginia
Tech women's lacrosse team chanting the N word as if
they were just running around screaming racial slurs as opposed
to you know, singing a song. Again, this is the headline.

(22:55):
Video shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team chanting the N word.
Coach calls it a teachable moment um. I want to
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I want to bring in the crew, I said I
was gonna bring them in. Sometimes they agree with me,
other times they don't. We're talking about the controversy that
is ensued. And I can't believe this is a real story. Uh,
for the Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team rapping along to

(24:39):
a popular Little Dickey song. Uh, Danny G. You are
the resident hip hop expert. You used to work at
a hip hop station. You obviously are familiar with this song.
When you see this story the intersection of rap, sports
and race, Uh, do you in some way just throw
up your hands and say, my god, what's happened in
the country? Or am I missing something here? No, you're

(25:01):
not missing anything. I think we may all agree on
this one. If it had been any other song, I
would cringe seeing that snapchat video. But the whole point
of this song is that Little Dickie is now Chris Brown.
You heard him singing saying, oh my god, I have
a neck tattoo, I'm in my d M s holy blank,

(25:23):
I have a kid. And then he says, I wonder
if I could say the N word, and then he
says it a couple of times, so it's done in
a comedic fashion, and it's not And this is important
for people out there who are rap fans. This has
not been a controversial song. It's been an embraced singing.
People like it it's and it's been a humorous song,
which is why it took off as quickly as it did. So,

(25:44):
in my mind, I think that's why the girls thought
it was okay to sing it the way they were,
because that's the whole point of the song. Uh, Justin Cooper,
are you also on in my mind here that this
is a ridiculous sports rap culture conflict. And by the way,
I think dead Spin deserves I I ridicule dead Spin

(26:05):
a lot because I think they're unfair in the way
they cover stories. But how about the use of this
as a headline? Video shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team
chanting the in word. I mean, that's just flagrantly unfair
to them, which is probably one reason why this story
has helped to go viral. They weren't chanting the in word.
They were singing along to an insanely popular current rap

(26:29):
song being wrapped by a white guy who pretended to
be black in the song, which is intriguing in and
of itself because it is suggesting that many young people
in this country, people younger than me, are rejecting the
absurdity of this like idea that if you use a word,

(26:49):
it means that you are racist, which we have somehow
created in this universe which lacks all all ability to
contemplate context. There's a difference between hurling a racial slur
at someone as an intent to wound them and rapping
along to one of the most popular songs on the

(27:10):
radio today justin Cooper, Am I right here? Am I crazy?
I couldn't agree more. And and the headline is the
most infuriating part about it. If I was, you know,
one of those girls in the video, I might even
try to, like Sue dead Spin for libel. I mean,
that's just it's a it's a little ridiculous, and and
it makes me think of I don't know if you
remember Clay back when Bill Maher made a joke on

(27:32):
Real Time. I do remember that, yes, And and I
know we've had we've had him being whether or not
he was a house slave or whether he was a
field slave basically, And I know we've had this guy
on on the show as a guest. But ice Cube
came on his very next show, after that episode and
was was talking to him about it, and and I
love ice Cube. I think he's awesome, but it was

(27:53):
something that he said and I was like, I was like,
don't you know he said something like he said, that's
our word. Now you can't have it back. And I
was thinking, Man, I rap along to ice cube songs
all the time, and so ice Cube would look down
at me for wrapping along to his songs. It's just it.
I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me because

(28:13):
it's like you said, it's not there's no you know,
racist tones behind it. You're you know, paying homage to
the song. I doubt ice Cube would want only black
people to buy his albums, so it's not okay for
white people to sing along to the songs that he wrote.
And then the same thing goes with this. I don't
see how you can deem any of those girls racist

(28:37):
just because they're singing along to a song. It's stupid,
not only singing along to a song, literally singing along
to one of the most popular songs in the country
right now. All right, Jason Martin has been fielding all
these calls. I'm guessing you agree with us so far.
Jason Martin, it is a ridiculous controversy. Yeah, it's a
sad controversy. It's a it's a tough issue because, yeah,

(28:58):
you can step into it and stuff, and you know,
maybe the judgment of actually posting the video wasn't the
most brilliant move, but in terms that to me is
probably evidence that the girls feel like they did nothing
wrong at all. Like, if you thought that what you
were doing was going to be controversial in any way,
you probably don't post it on Snapchat and your social

(29:20):
media accounts, right like, because you're just thinking to yourself, Hey,
we want a game, and we're celebrating, and look at
us singing all these songs. And then the next thing,
you know, like everybody's publicly branding you a racist. And
dead Spin has a post up which is probably the
first post dead Spin has ever done in the history
of women's lacrosse, and the headline is video shows Virginia

(29:42):
Tech women's lacrosse team chanting the in word. Um, let's
go to some of your calls and obviously, uh, as
you hear somebody drop off, you can hop on. But
I'm curious what you guys think. Uh, And obviously We've
got loaded lines all ten right now from across the country.
Jose in Freemont. What's what's your take here? Jose, what's up?

(30:04):
Fellas a real quick not to hijack it, but I
couldn't call last week that porn star. They got offended
by boobs. Maybe she thought you were talking about like
boob like an idiot, because they're not always so check
this out. Look, here's the thing with me in any race.
If you're gonna use a word that's racially used against you,

(30:25):
no matter what race you are, when you enable that
word amongst yourselves, and then you have racism amongst yourself
when you're calling people uncle Tom's and whatnot, you're enabling
others to use it as well. So if if you
have a problem with the word, regardless of who uses it,
then don't use it. Just like they did the biggest

(30:47):
biggest balls in tupac uh uh. You know specials all
last week and you know they gotta the rappers all
got together and decided, hey, we're not gonna beef anymore.
So get all together and stop using the damn words
even simple. What's your ethnic background, Jose? I am Hispanic,
So when Taco Bell said run for the border, and

(31:07):
that was a controversy. I wasn't offended, brother, I love Yeah, yeah,
It's it's interesting to me though, too, uh Jose, because
this goes to my point America and is not just
a white and black country. Do you sometimes feel, as
a Hispanic guy when you see racial controversies emerged between
white and black people, like this doesn't involve me? Like,

(31:27):
are you just like a bystander? I mean, I'm curious
as a Hispanic guy, what you think when you see
racial controversies like this happened. Do you think that you
would be more able to wrap along too this song
because you're Hispanic than a white person would. I mean,
this is just this is where we get into the
absurdity of our modern racial politics. How do Hispanics, which
are actually the largest minority group in the country, actually

(31:48):
fit into this this discussion. Me personally, I get offended
when they try to like when they say black and brown,
because you know what, we don't have the don't say
black brown if this is your fight, claim to fight,
if we have an issue. We have plenty of people
that are stars that can speak for us, but we're
not We're not tripping like that. If you're claiming to fight,

(32:10):
then claim the fight as your own, but don't put
us in it. That's how I feel. Thanks for the call, Hoday.
Let's go to Brian and Louisville. What's up, Brian. This
is my first time coming in the radio, so I
try to make this decent. But I was coming because
I wanted to make a general comment about the issue,
as well as talk about a couple of other things

(32:31):
because I got a little bit more information now. Um,
the first thing I think is that I know the
song that they're talking about with that Thin and Chris Brown.
It's a decent song. I like it, and I don't
think that what they're saying is it's probably not racist,
like you said. But I would say in the concept
of like the bigger issue of things, because there's a
plenty of rap songs that people could sing along that

(32:52):
I say, like racist thirds and and things like that,
and people can always do that. Just because it is
in a song doesn't necessarily make get okay. And that
would be my opinion on it, because you know, it's
one thing to sing along with a song. You say, yeah,
you do that, I don't think you're racist for doing that,
But if you are so non salant about doing it,
then my thought would be as a black person, and

(33:14):
my thought would be that when the doors are closed,
you probably use that word in some other type of way.
It's similar to like if you were an eight year
old kid and you sing a customer in the song
and your parents come in and they're like, hey, you
can't say that customer or you're getting souble you thinking
your punished or something like that. Now, you might walk
off and use that word all the time as a kid,
but you're not gonna use it around your parents no

(33:35):
more because you know you were get in trouble. And
it's kind of I just it's an interesting point. Thanks
for the call. I just I'm a white person right
in my entire life as a white person, and it's
hard for me to go back to when I was
like ten or eleven. But I don't think as an
adult white person. Let's just say, I don't think I've

(33:55):
ever heard a white person use a racial slur in
my income versation where I was involved in any way,
And by involved, I mean hearing people use a racial
slur in the context as an adult of me hearing
them say it. So I just don't buy into the
fact that there's maybe, maybe there are tons of white
people I don't know, just sitting around as soon as

(34:17):
they're around other white people shutting the door around my age,
just racist as hell and cursing like crazy and dropping
in bombs like crazy. Maybe that happens regularly. I've never
seen it happen in my life, so I can only
judge by my experience. From the time I'm eighteen to
thirty eight, I have literally never heard a white person

(34:37):
in conversation use a racial slur. Now, maybe that's a rarity.
I don't think it is, so I don't necessarily buy
in with Brian's argument there that if you're wrapping along
to a to a rap song, that that means that
you're gonna be using in a different context a racial slur.
I think it's actually if you're a big rap fan,

(34:57):
I think you're probably less likely to be racist. That's
my opinion, could be wrong, but I think if you
were looking at rap fans, I think they would be
less likely to be racist because you are spending your
money and embracing predominantly a black art form, which to
me makes it less likely that you are going to
be racist. Loaded lines eight seven seven six three six nine.

(35:21):
We're talking about this Virginia Tech women's lacrosse controversy. Continue
to take your calls on it. Next segment, this is
OutKick on Fox Sports Radio. UM let's uh, let's keep rolling.
We are diving into a major cultural fire storm. The

(35:43):
Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team wrapped along to a Little
Dickey song which features the inn word, and it has
turned into a controversy. My argument is this song Freaky Friday,
which is designed to think but think about what it
would feel like to be a different race, is not
in the way it's used remotely contextually racist. Is this inappropriate?

(36:07):
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(36:28):
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think this was also the subject. Maybe we can find
the audio of this of a great blackish uh sitcom
where one of the kids wrapped along to Kanye West
gold Digger in uh the talent competition, And if you're

(36:50):
familiar with those lyrics, which I'm guessing a lot of
you are, then uh he ended up in hot water
because the school has a speech rule about racial slurs
and it was a young kid, and that is pretty Uh,
that is pretty amazing, by the way. Uh, We'll try
to find the audio on that because I think it
goes a little bit to this obviously UH pull question up.

(37:14):
Was it racist for the Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team
to wrap along every word too Little Dicky's Freaky Friday song?
You can vote on my Twitter poll. You can find
me there at Clay Travis. Eight seven percent of you
are saying no, we are taking your calls. Will continue
to take your calls into our two. But let's go
to Bubba in North Carolina. What's up, Bubbay? A good morning? UM.

(37:40):
I was just calling. I thought you made a really
point of point. Um for the most part that the
way that race is discussed in this country is broken.
And I would say that pa true because I don't
think that the way we talked about it is broken.
I think the way that the media for trades that
is broken. Dead Spin or CNN or whoever, what have
you think it This is a clan meeting. I mean,

(38:01):
look at that inflammatory meant to annoy that headline? Where
is you know, for example, if who was their track team,
which is gonna be more diverse? I guarantee this wouldn't
have been a story like, yeah, that's that's a good point.
It's half split, and I can guarantee you we never
talked about race and in that sense, if if it's

(38:23):
ever brought up, it's only in jest. You know, our
biggest area contentions during college football season. But the media
would have you think that that's all we talked about
and that there's a tension and that's what broken is
the way it's portrayed, it's like a rage machine. That's
a great point, but I actually, I actually do think
that's true. I think the media makes a lot of
money dividing us when there are a lot of reasonable

(38:43):
people out there that see a story like this and say,
my god, I can't believe that the headline at dead
Spin And frankly, you know the other problem is lots
of people don't read stories. They read headlines. So when
they see the headline video shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse
team chanting the word, which is what dead Spin put up.
How much less of a story is this if? The

(39:05):
if the story from dead Spin is video shows Virginia
Tech women's lacrosse team singing popular rap song. It's all
about the way you can textualize things. Laurenzo in Atlanta,
what's up, Lorenzo? Hey? How you doing? Man? Living the dream?
Are wonderful? Okay? Now I'm calling because I completely agree

(39:27):
with you guys. That spen the way they twisted our disgusting.
That's ridiculous. Those are innocent, young girls trying to have fun.
But here's where I have an issue. Now, these ladies
feel like it's okay to sing along with it. I
feel like the issue is it's never okay to say
that word. I'm just supporting Chris Brown, little thick in
the way that they use that word. They put it,

(39:49):
they're put in a song and make it fun. It's
never a fun word. It's never okay to use that word,
and it's it's just disgusting. And that's where I look
at it. Like that, Bubba said, the media twisted things
to be so ugly, and I'm sure. I mean, I'm
a young black man and I feel like no one
should ever use that word. And I feel like the
fact that these young girls find it okay to use

(40:09):
the word is is the issue. Yeah, it's interesting, Thanks
for the call, and then we're gonna continue to take
your calls. Eight seven seven three six nine. That's what
the coach said. The Asian coach said, teams very apologetic
and sorry. There's nobody of any color that should say
it period. There's nobody that should say it. Well, if
that's the standard, then why is it a wildly popular

(40:29):
rap song. We'll talk about that and continue out kick
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(40:52):
I want you to all listen up closely if you
think a train will stop if it sees your car
on the tracks. You're right, it will about a mile
after it hits you. Stop trains, can't. We are discussing
the biggest Internet controversy in the world of sports today.
Not making this up. The Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team

(41:16):
won a game against Elon on Saturday. Some of you
waking up across the country, you're thinking, this is exactly
what I expected Clay Travis to be talking about. I've
known for a long time that he's a closet women's
lacrosse fan. He's just sitting there constantly looking at the
top twenty five rankings, furiously refreshing all of the scores
as they come in every day. Who's gonna be number

(41:39):
one this year? Is it gonna be Virginia Tech? Hokey
hokey high? Well, they beat Elon on Saturday. They're nineteenth
best women's lacrosse team in the country, and as a
way to celebrate, they decided, we're gonna have a singing party.
We're gonna sing a whole hell of a lot of
songs that we love. Some of them might be Disney songs,

(42:04):
some of them might be rap songs. But we gotta
ride around on the school bus to get back to school,
and we're gonna have a party dance, party bus karaoke version.
And one of the things they decided to do was
sing along with a popular song by Little Dickie and
Chris Brown called Freaky Friday. The concept of the song

(42:27):
is that these two guys have switched identities, much like
if you're familiar with the concept of the show Freaky Friday.
By the way, let me pause here for a moment.
I am in a studio in uh Panama City Beach
and the phone is ringing here. Should I answer? I
don't know who it is? Yes, should I answer it?

(42:51):
Somebody else? Somebody else picked it up? All right, so
somebody else got it. But I am down here in
Panama City Beach doing the show this week's spring Break
with my kids. And so the song is Freaky Friday,
and it sounds a little something like this. But the
concept of the song is that these two individuals, Little Dickie,
who's a white rapper, and Chris Brown, who's a black guy,

(43:14):
have changed identities. So Little Dickie has become a black
guy and Chris Brown has become a white guy. And
they are wrapping along about in a humorous way what
their lives would be like if they basically switched bodies.
And here is the song, Oh my God, I'm the man,
I'm just FaceTime, I'm total Mama's biggest man, got out

(43:44):
his Holy I got a kid, I can sing, So
I wonder if I can sit in wait, little big
up smile when so that is the song and he's

(44:06):
they're ridiculing in many ways our cultural construct of what
it's like to suddenly switch races. And as part of that,
a white guy is saying the N word. Now, this
is something that has been discussed in pop culture for
a while. And by the way, I'm taking your calls
because I want to get your reactions eight seven seven
six three six nine. My contention is that we are

(44:28):
talking about race like it's still night in this country,
and that we spend a lot of time talking about
white versus black and focusing on words and not the
context of those words. In other words, there's a difference
between hurling a racial slur at somebody and judging them
based on the color of their skin, and paying homage
to a popular rap song and rapping along with it.

(44:52):
That is a big difference. Yet many people are still
treating that as not a big difference, especially in the
sports media, where dead Spin has this as their headline
in the wake of a Snapchat video being taken of
the girls singing along to that Little Dicky song Freaky Friday.

(45:16):
Video shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team chanting the N word.
Coach calls it a teachable moment um. They weren't chanting
the N word. They were singing along with a rap
song which features the N word. And look, I'm not
an expert in uh in the concept of breaking down
the use of racial slurs, but there's a difference between

(45:40):
a word ending and a and a word ending in
e er and the context in which it is used
and everything else. But this has also been something. I
don't watch a lot of broadcast television, but I have
watched the show Blackish a decent amount and I actually
think it's really funny. And they had a situation that's
somewhat similar to this where the kid in the show

(46:03):
decided to perform in a talent show and he sang
along with Kanye West gold Digger, And if you are
familiar with the lyrics to gold Digger, she ain't hanging
with no broke ass. Yeah he said it and in
the Talent Show, which is actually pretty funny. Do we
have audio of that to play or what's the situation there?

(46:26):
We're gathering it? Um, so you know what what, Let's
take calls right here, Jason Martin, and then let you
work on it during the next commercial break, as opposed
to playing it right here, because I'd rather go to
calls than play that than play that audio. So let's go.
H is Jason there? Do we know? Or is he
just turned off his mike? Yeah, let's go to tyrone

(46:47):
and Kentucky as he up next. Yes, Tyrone in Kentucky?
What's up Tyrone YEA yeah, we got you? Okay. Yeah.
Words are involving these days. Like when I was young,
my mom just uh, there was a popular word called jiggaboo.
Are our spooks? Now today we've learned to take words

(47:13):
and take the power from people by making fun of
ourselves and they and the words you know, they they've
changed and just like people call themselves red necks. I
was a racial slur towards white people. Well white people
have tooken that and called this self red necks. Now
it doesn't mean anything, And they used to call people

(47:35):
porch monkeys, but now there's a group of white people
call themselves porch cresses. And then you also got uncle crackers,
and and if it goes all the way back to
biblical times, because the words the marathon was a racial slur.
But now you've got some American hospitals. So let's everybody

(47:56):
move on with the time. They're gonna get lost in
the past. It's actually a good point, Tyrone, that that
at our country, the words evolved in what they mean,
and black people have taken back the power for themselves
of that word. It's a good point, like white people
have done it, I think to a lesser extent with
the word redneck. A lot of people listening right now

(48:16):
like I'm a proud redneck cracker. It's not really. I
don't think there very many white people out there who
if they're called cracker, they're like, oh my god, I'm insulted.
Like you're right, there is the guy uncle cracker. Like
it's actually a good point, and that kind of ties
in with my perspective. Thanks for the call. We're gonna
continue to roll through. Your calls actually ties up with
my perspective which is context matters, and here we are

(48:37):
not applying context at all if we're seeking to get offended.
And I think this also ties in with our larger
offended culture. We're teaching kids that being offended is a
good thing. My argument is being offended. You shouldn't be
proud to be offended, because when you are offended, what

(48:59):
you're telling people is, hey, I'm too delicate to be
able to handle something that you said. I want my
kids to behave appropriately, but I don't want them to
be so offended that if somebody behaves inappropriately that they
curl up in the fetal position and wine and complain

(49:22):
because they are trying to make a situation into something
that it isn't. Does that make sense. I think so
many college kids today are so used to being coddled that,
for instance, that there are schools pulling Huckleberry Finn off
of the school reading list because the N word is
in there. Well, it's about the context in which it's used.

(49:46):
Huckleberry Finn change the world. They're pulling to Kill a
mocking Bird off reading list because there's racism in it.
That's the whole point of the book. That's why Harper
Lee's book had much power because the book is fundamentally
rejecting racism. But in order sometimes to reject racism, you

(50:10):
have to give an example of what racism is. And
kids today are so perpetually soft and or also their parents,
who also bear the blame. Their ears are so delicate
that we're trying to protect them from the real world,
such that you grow up and you write a dead
spin and you're not capable of distinguishing between racial slurs

(50:34):
and singing along to the lyrics of rap songs to
VARs in North Carolina? What's up to mars? Uh? To me? Uh?
These girls are? You know? I agree with you for
the first time, I agree with you, um in girls.
These are millennials. Millennials today are responsible for ninety of

(50:56):
white millennials are responsible for my nine percent of hip
hop music downloads and advibes. And like you said, contact
and contact. Black people are experts. I'm a black male.
Black people are experts in knowing when somebody's being racist
and when somebody is uh giving the culture praise, embracing

(51:17):
the culture with with with what these girls said, they
are actually embracing it and for the teach for the
for the coaches say it's a teachable moment where he's
saying when he said to human ladies, you have some
sensitive people out here. You learn from this. You know
you would be attacked forul for for for doing this.

(51:39):
Learn learn from this. And I agree with with what
the caller said before that people are that people have
taken back those things, those words, those negative things, and
and turning into words of endearment. My grandmother cringing. He
does not like that word. I have friends that are

(51:59):
my age. They do not like that word. But not
everybody agrees with us. Now everybody agrees with that word
is okay. And and and as far as somebody using
it that's white, Um no, you you can't use the
word in in a different context. You shouldn't want to

(52:21):
and and and when I'm when I met wal Mart,
not hear black kids use it. I'm like, man, come on, man,
come on, other people are around just you know you're
so free willing to just use it. I mean this,
it is a teachable moment for the girls. But people
are just sensitive these days. You can't you can't care
about people's sensitivity that that that hand line is garbage headline.

(52:44):
The headline to varus, the headline for people out there
who are waking up listening to us, the headline at
at dead Spin, and I tweeted this out is video
shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team chanting the N word.
What they were doing was singing along with a little
Dickie and Chris Brown song. Uh it's VARs. Appreciate the call, Ma, man,
We're gonna continue to take your calls. Ryan in a

(53:06):
eight seven seven three six nine. People say, why are
you talking about this? Well, I mean, I think it's
an interesting question, and let me go ahead and tell you.
I mean, I told you in the first hour, but
we're an hour too. I think that we have lost
the ability as a society, and media is a big
part about this, big part of this to talk about
things in an intelligent and contextualized way. And I think

(53:29):
the media is not reflecting the way that the public
at large is capable of handling handling complex issues because
I think, like Tavars just said, everybody out there understands context,
and there is a difference between hurling a racial slur
at someone like Frankly Riley Cooper. Did you remember Riley
Cooper when he was trying to go to like I

(53:51):
think was a Kenny Chesney concert the Philadelphia Eagles at
the time, Wide Receiver, he was upset at a security
guard and so he yelled a racial slur at him
as a way to demonstrate his anger. That's an example
of hurling a racial slur at someone. If Riley Cooper
had been at a Kanye West concert wrapping along with

(54:15):
gold Digger and somebody had had a video of him
doing that, I think the vast majority of people would say, well,
there's a big difference between those two things. Wrapping along
with a popular song is paying homage to that artist
and embracing that culture. Yelling a racial slur at someone

(54:36):
is something different. And I think there are a lot
of people out there who are not using their brains
and distinguishing between the two Ryan and Indianapolis. What's up, Ryan, say,
good morning play, I'll kick Twitter Army member here. Um.
But first of all, the name little Dickie, this sistery duos.
But you know, someones are made to sing along and
dance and have fun. And if that's done, you know,

(54:59):
that's done all races. And if you choose to only
make it so that one race can sing and dance
to a song, then that in and of itself is racism.
This is the Malcolm X controversy. You know, Donald Trump
got elected in part, I honestly believe because white Middle
America got tired of always being called racist or you know,

(55:20):
homophobic or some kind of you know, some kind of
hate word. And it's just this is just ridiculous. Thanks
for the call, Ryan, Let's go to Tyrone and Georgia. Tyrone,
what's up? Hey? How are you doing? Living a dream?
A man? All right? Brother Church of all Clay, everybody

(55:40):
really needs to pump the brakes on this because this
is really foolish. Now. I'm I'm amost fifty nine year
old black Malekay. That thing comes down to intent. Now,
nobody or anybody who believed the dope girls head intent
to disrespect the whole culture people. It's it's just ridiculous.

(56:04):
Now Now me, Clay, I don't like the word, and
I don't think you should be used by anyone nor
any other racial slur or culture may doom desperations to
them if they feelustraciars, it shouldn't be used. But when
it comes to that N word it's about the intent

(56:25):
that was throwed out with the words you know, I
would get the hard e R and ending with a
it's then tipped behind the use of the world. Now lay,
I'm a director inter merriors at a college in my
hometown and that there was a party and they were

(56:48):
wrapping along with some of the songs that had the word,
and a couple of the white students came to me
and said, uh, mr White, we sawry. We didn't. I said,
hold on, hold on, did you buy that CD? Yes, sir,
and then you got it right to use it. These
black and wrap artists and stuff. They'll have a problem
with white people buying their music. They'll have a problem

(57:11):
with white kids hearing up their concert stadiums. It's the intent, Clay.
If you see me somewhere and me you had a
little disagreement and you just up the head out, you
stupid black and such as such. Their intentions was different.
But for there was good to be singing the song.

(57:32):
Forget who made it or or what the song about
and all that stuff. They just singing along with a song.
There was no malice intent behind that whatsoever. People need
to stop being so intensive. And then I appreciate you
broaching topics like you said that most of your counterparts
won't even touch and appreciate appreciate. Yeah, look, I mean

(57:57):
that's why I try to do on this show. A
lot of people out there run from controversial topics, especially
if they relate to race, gender, sexuality in the world
of sports now, because they are afraid if they don't
come out and just say, oh, the story here is
these girls should be suspended, they should never be able

(58:18):
to play lacrosse again. That's where they're gonna be people
who write that piece, and I think it loses completely
the context. And that's why I also like to open
up the phone lines on stories like these and let
you hear from what I call the great masses of
the American public. Let's go another call Dan in St. Louis. Dan,
what's up, Hey, hey, play how are you doing. First

(58:41):
of all, I would say this, uh, I agree well
the people that that headline is ridiculous. But as ethical
as a lawyer, you would say the word intent is suggestive. Correct.
Would you agree with that? Okay, let me also ask
your ethical question. Once we opened up the Pandora box,

(59:02):
to let anyone be able to say the N word. Then, yes, No,
I haven't said anything yet. Did we lose Dan? Yeah?
He then dropped off that was strange. Yeah, I hadn't spoken.
I was gonna let him tell his piece. Let's go
to Yeah, I guess so Dave in Minneapolis, what's up, Dave? Yeah,

(59:28):
I'm I'm a millennial, which I'm not very proud of,
just with the way that the culture has been going.
But I graduated from high school in two thousand three
from an inner city school. We listened to hip hop music.
I listened to country music. I listened to everything. I

(59:51):
have used the word in music listening to the music.
You know, you got ludicrous, you got Dr dre My,
you know my area. It's it's a. It's a it's
a appreciation of the music and the hip hop, you know.
And I the last color that says, uh, you know,

(01:00:15):
listening to the music, it's an It's an appreciation of
the music and the culture and then then buying the
music and paying for it. And it's that's all it
is is. It's showing an appreciation. And I don't think
it should be used at all if it's going to

(01:00:35):
continuously be an outrage anytime a white person uses the word.
When rappers continuously use the word like it's free, it's
just whatever, it's no big deal. Yeah, thanks for thanks
for the call. Um. I'm gonna continue to take your calls.
Eight seven seven nine six three six nine. You're waking up.

(01:00:57):
We're talking about what has emerged as a controversy. Virginia
Tech women's lacrosse team on a Snapchat video. If you're
not familiar with Snapchat, uh, it's fifteen second ish videos.
They were celebrating a win over Elon and they were
rapping along to a popular song right Now by Little
Dickie called Freaky Friday that features the in word. Dead

(01:01:20):
Spin has turned this into a major media story. By
The Roanoke Times also wrote about this, But the dead
Spin says video shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team chanting
the in word. Coach calls it a teachable moment. Well,
first of all, they weren't chanting the in words, not
like they were walking around with tiki torches, having a

(01:01:41):
rally design to uh to to disrespect black people, and
chanting racial slurs while they did it. This was a
team rapping along with a popular song, and we are
reacting to it, and we're trying to have an intelligent
conversation about context and what is and what is not
appropriate in the context of sports, I think also college

(01:02:05):
and modern cultural life. So far, I'm very impressed with
the calls. I opened up the phone lines because I
think this is a conversation we can all have as
a group. Eight seven seven nine six three six nine
is the phone number. I am Clay Travis. Thanks for
spending your Monday Monday. I'm glad it's not Monday, I
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(01:02:53):
in my guy, Eddie Garcia and find out what's shaken
in the world of sports. Well, Clay, We'll start with
news from the NFL, where owners passed a new rule
that will expand penalties for helmets helmet contact It's similar
to the college football targeting rule. Under the new rule,
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taking your calls every now and then. I come in
and I see a story and I think, you know what,

(01:05:02):
I think we can make the world a little bit
better by talking about this. And that story that I
saw late last night was from dead Spin as it
started to go viral across the internet. A group of
girls on the Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team, we're celebrating
their win over Elon and as part of that, they

(01:05:23):
decided to have a dance party on effectively their bus,
and they sing along to a lot of different songs.
One of those songs was Freaky Friday by Little Dickie,
a White rapper, and it dealt with the Freaky Friday concept,
which a lot of you probably are familiar with the movies,
is when you suddenly find yourself in somebody else's body,

(01:05:43):
and so Little Dickie suddenly sees himself in Chris Brown's body.
Chris Brown is in Little Dickie's body, and the idea
is what would it be like to be a different race.
As part of that song, there is the inn word
used in the context of the song. The girl is
then wrapped along with the song using that word. One

(01:06:04):
of them uploaded one of these videos to Snapchat. Somebody
was offended by it, grabbed it and turned it into
a racial controversy, such that dead Spin has the headline
videos shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team chanting the N word.
Coach calls it a teachable moment. That is an unfair

(01:06:24):
and inaccurate headline. What the video showed was the Virginia
Tech women's lacrosse team rapping along with one of the
most popular songs in America. It has since turned into
a controversy. We are discussing it eight seven, seven nine,
six three six nine. Now. Sometimes television shows do a
good job handling stories like these because they can address them,

(01:06:47):
sometimes in a comedic fashion, while also dealing with them
in a sensitive and intelligent and here's a crazy idea
contextual way. Uh I watched this episode and thought it
was fantastically well done. I thought about it when I
heard this story. Jason Martin has gone back and edited it.
The television show Blackish had a similar controversy that they

(01:07:11):
dealt with, where the young kid on the show was
performing at a talent show, and he decided to wrap
along to Kanye West gold Digger, and if you are
familiar with the lyrics, one of the lyrics is, uh,
she ain't messing with no broke and he said it.
Here is that discussion that Jason Martin has edited from

(01:07:33):
the television sitcom Blackish. Let's listen to that. Then, I'm
gonna go to your calls. Okay, I told you it

(01:07:57):
was why is my son being and home? Well, the
school has a zero tolerance policy for any form of
hate speech. What idiot came up with that? How was
I supposed to know that was going to come back
to viteus in the button? Well, it did both take
a big old chunk out of my ass? Half a
cheat gone? Well, where did Jack get an idea to

(01:08:17):
say a word like that in the first place? She's
oh girl, it's my favorite song and we play it
every day on the way to school. Damn it, it's
his birthright. Jewish kids get to go to Israel, Black

(01:08:39):
kids get to say this. That is ridiculous. Nobody should
say it. It is an ugly, hateful word with an
even uglier in eight field history of its being said
to us not by us as usual. Son, you have
absolutely no idea what you're talking about. But that is
not a word the black folks need to be using, Emma.

(01:09:00):
That is actually, I think a really good distillation of
the different perspectives. And look, I'm saying it, I'm not black.
Within the context of the black community, You've got somebody
who is the dad. In this context, you can't see
the characters, but you've got a dad, you've got a mom,
I believe, and you've got a grandfather. And everybody has
a different perspective on the word. I think a lot

(01:09:22):
of you out there also appreciate the fact that it's
being dealt with not in a lecturing fashion, but in
a humorous fashion. And unfortunately for this kid in the context,
he is not using it in a negative context. And
my argument is that context matters that as an intelligent,
democratic society, what we should be capable of doing is

(01:09:46):
distinguishing between like in the show Blackish, a kid walking
out with a microphone and rapping along to a Kanye
West song in the same way that he's seen his
dad do in the car in a bit of car karaoke,
and the difference between that and it being a racial slur.
I understand the concept of context. I think very often

(01:10:09):
the Internet does not. The Internet and social media in
general sees everything as very black and white. And I'm
not talking about the color of black and white people.
I'm talking about it's nuance. Art is built in nuance.
If you are out there today and you are driving
into school today, what I would encourage you to do

(01:10:31):
is think about nuance in your life on a day
to day basis. Great songs, great literature, great movies, great
television shows come from nuance. They don't come from characters
who are either all good or all evil. They come
from our common humanity, which is rooted in nuance. Every

(01:10:53):
single one of you listening to me this morning is
going to do something good today, and you're gonna do
something bad and is going to make you human. We, oftentimes,
I think, in society today, particularly in social media, want
to create two distinct camps, the good camp and the
bad camp. We have a disneyfied idea of what the

(01:11:16):
world is like. And I think about it because I've
got kids, and if you have kids, you know that
frequently they decide when they are young is an animal
good or bad. Snakes are bad. Dogs are good. Now
that's not fair in the context of judging an animal

(01:11:36):
entirely based on its species, but that's the natural, childlike
way of thinking. Some animals are good, some animals are bad.
Unfortunately for us, loud voices on the internet have taken
over our national discourse, and it's also happened in politics,

(01:11:57):
and they scream at us all day long. Some things
are good, some things are bad. There is very little nuance. Now.
I'm a nuance guy. I think most lawyers are. It's
the way we're trained to think. I've defended people who
have been accused of murder. I have defended people who
have dealt drugs. I have defended people who have assaulted

(01:12:18):
other men and women. It doesn't mean that those people
are awful. It means that they made a bad decision
and they're paying the consequences for it. This, to me,
is a fascinating discussion because it requires context, which is
something that the Internet does not do well. And Blackish

(01:12:41):
I think, addressed that in a very smart and contextual fashion.
I think we can talk about it, and I think
I've been impressed by the calls so far. I'm gonna
take a couple of them quickly. Then I'll take more
of your calls when we come back. Let's go to
Ben in Akron, Ohio. What's up been hi? Um, I'm
I'm not black. I grew up in the city. I

(01:13:02):
went to city schools Um, I teach in the city
school right now, and um um, I have a lot
of a lot of close black friends anyway, So UM yeah,
I agree, it's all contextual. It's all relational. Um. Example,
I can have sex my wife, no one else can. Um.

(01:13:23):
There's a few people that can make fun of me,
but if you don't know me, you can't make fun
of So I feel like, um, I feel like black people,
and there's a difference. Like you said, there's a difference
between NA NA words and the N E R worth.
I feel like black people can say the NA words
nine five percent a time, and white people like I

(01:13:46):
respect the word a lot, so I rarely, rarely ever
say it, um. But if you are real close to
someone and you call him anna, and even in my class,
like I built such strong relations with my kids and
I've never used the word, but I'll say n now,
some teachers might be with small years and still don't

(01:14:08):
have their relationship with them and can't use that word. UM.
So that's just kind of my thoughts on it. Yeah,
I think that's dangerous. First of all, I would just
say that is a that is a really dangerous position
to be in. But he's got a lot of black friends,
though you also don't don't predicate you know your your

(01:14:28):
decision making by saying I have a lot of black
black friends. If you ever find yourself saying I have
a lot of black friends, you're probably in a tough spot.
But let me just say this, UM, we're gonna continue
to take your calls. I think that in general, what
stories like this require our context, and I think very
few people are good at providing context because sensationalism cells.

(01:14:53):
And as we've been talking about on this show, I
think one of the luxuries that we have is I've
got three hours with you every morning. Most of you
don't listen to three hours. You might listen to fifteen
or twenty minutes on your way to school, on your
way to work. Throughout the day, a lot of you
listen on the podcast for longer. And I think this
show works well as a twenty minute segment or is

(01:15:13):
a three hour segment when we deal with big concepts
like this, Because I think we can make America smarter
and I think we can contextualize complex issues without having
to distill it down to a black or white issue.
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the Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team seging along to a
popular song by Little Dickie called Freaky Friday includes a
racial slur inside of that song, and dead Spin and

(01:16:17):
the usual suspects are up in arms. We're talking about context.
When is something racist and when it is not. Is
it racist to rap along in your bus with your
teammates to a popular rap song? Is it? As dead
Spin put it in its headline? Uh? And again this

(01:16:40):
is crazy to me. Video shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse
team chanting the N word. Coach calls it a teachable moment.
The video shows them actually singing along to a rap song,
which is different than chanting the IN word. But what
do I know? Uh? Doc in Cambridge, Mass I believe Doc?
What's up? Uh? Both about the Diamond great show? I

(01:17:04):
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in your bus when your teammates to a popular restaurant.
Oh what happened there? Doc? I'm not sure he's He
was talking about his battery being dead or something, so
he may have may have just dropped off after he

(01:17:24):
said that. I don't know. Here's what we'll do. Doc
waited a while because we've had loaded lines, so I've
been trying to get to everybody. Uh. If he can
get his phone charged up in the next hour and
he calls back in, we'll put him at the top
of the line. If we lost him their art in
New York. What's up Art, Good morning, It's so good
to hear from you, Clay, retired radio personality. And I
got my start in radio at House University, which is

(01:17:47):
a predominantly Jewish university. And what is then most cimberl
to me is that they had an African American study
department there, and we studied apartheime. And so as someone
born in the sixties, it's kind of discouraging to hear
us be racism so loosely. Leeven now in my fifties

(01:18:07):
on the golf course with white white brothers, and we
often joke about that because you know, we know racism
as the color of your skin means that if I'm
in a situation where I need you to save my life,
I'd rather die. That's what we know racism ask And
so it just, you know, social media and what we
have now is just so loose, and it's sort of

(01:18:28):
like a novel ecosystem where we just let it sit
and let it be. Doesn't have parameters, it doesn't have
scholarly parameters that say, you know what, let's be educated
about this. It's just it is what it is, and
we run with it, and so that's what it's disheartening
to me. It is interesting. And you said you went
to Hofstra and you graduated. When when did you graduate
from college? I graduated in three graduate all right, so

(01:18:56):
you graduated. It's fascinating to me. I mean, I graduated
in oh one from college. So you know, we're a
little bit different. But I feel like I'm thirty eight
year around fifty one or fifty two. I'm guessing based
on those those numbers, I feel like, yeah, I feel like, uh,
the country has lost all ability to distinguish context. You

(01:19:17):
know that there's a difference between a dog being sicked
on somebody as they try to walk across the bridge
to get the right to vote in nineteen sixties Alabama
and somebody rapping along to a popular song. And I
feel like we've lost the ability to distinguish between the two.
And we also negate all of the struggles that so

(01:19:40):
many people went through for us to be where we
are today, you know, and as a leader in the
community and someone who really is involved with family development,
you know, we've got to get away from this medium
that we don't have really any understanding of what it's
going to be Yet it shouldn't be where we'd land

(01:20:01):
on truth and and and how we conduct our lives.
It just can't be. Got to get back to ground
roots of interaction with leaders and people. I appreciate the caller.
That's why I want to open up the phone lines.
I feel like this is a democracy. People can get
their voice out. And I think the calls that we've gotten,
by and large you listen to the first two hours,

(01:20:21):
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(01:21:04):
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(01:21:25):
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(01:21:47):
of that is because I try to be fearless about
the topics. Lots of people run from controversy, They stay bland.
They argue about whether Lebron James or Michael Jordan is better.
There's a time and place for that discussion, but by
and large, I think that discussion should happen at the
end of the year, when we know how Lebron has
done every year, and we can have that talk. But

(01:22:10):
this late last night I got shared with me uh
this story which I found to be just so incredibly
interesting given the state of our society today. And for
those of you waking up who haven't heard about this story,
the Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team one a game against
Elon on Saturday night. I don't know anything about lacrosse.

(01:22:30):
You probably don't know anything about lacrosse, and even if
you do, you probably know even less about women's lacrosse. Well,
the uv A Virginia Tech women's team is ranked in
the top twenty. Tonight they play against number five Duke
and on Saturday night, as they were coming back from
that win over Elon, they were celebrating by singing songs
together as a team. One of those songs was Freaky

(01:22:53):
Friday by a rapper named Little Dickie. I didn't know
anything about this song. I'm thirty eight, I'm not as
plugged in as I used to be, but it's very
popular with college kids and with with you know, people
who are plugged in with modern day hip hop now
um and uh so. As a result, this song was

(01:23:15):
includes the n word, and it's fascinating about this song
is little Dicky is a white rapper who is pretending
that he is black in the song, while Chris Brown
obviously is a famous black singer and he is pretending
that he is white. The two of them are friends
and the concept of the song is similar to the
concept obviously of the movie Freaky Friday, where suddenly you

(01:23:37):
find yourself in somebody else's body. And as the girls
are singing along with that song, they sing along with
the N word, which occurs in the song, and that
one of the girls on the team, and it's a
white lacrosse team. I'm not sure if every girl in
the team is white. I haven't looked at the roster,
but most of them are. They have an Asian coach
and most of the girls appear to be white. And

(01:24:00):
they posted the video onto Snapchat. One of the girls
did celebrating the wind. Well in this age where everyone
is perpetually offended, somebody grabbed that Snapchat video and shared
it and said, oh my god, look at all the
races singing along to a popular rap song. And many
people in the sports media who don't like to fancy

(01:24:21):
themselves intelligent but don't apply context at all when they
write their stories, particularly dealing with race. Lead with the
headline on dead Spin, video shows Virginia Tech women's lacrosse
team chanting the N word. Coach calls it a teachable moment,
and it's interesting if you go through the article here

(01:24:43):
that the Roanoke News UH put out, it has turned
into an uproar. Uh. The coach says, as I his quote,
this is a teachable moment. It's not something we're proud of.
The team is very apologetic and sorry. There's nobody of
any color that should say at period. There's nobody should

(01:25:03):
say it again that the coach UH says there was
no malice involved. They just thought they were singing along
to a song. They had just won their singing songs.
The first couple of songs were Disney songs. They were celebrating,
they were dancing, they were excited. They're good kids. That
made a bad decision. Uh. The Hokeys, I said earlier,

(01:25:24):
their seventeenth in the country. They play at number five
North Carolina tonight. We're trying to do what's right, said
the coach. This isn't something we sweep under the rug.
The team's extremely sorry. They're trying to make it right,
and I know that we'll never make it right with anybody.
But this is a moment that defines the program, but
yet a moment that will help the program be better.

(01:25:45):
They've got to be educated to make better decisions. They've
got to know what's socially acceptable. I think they're learning
all those things. It's a lot on me as the leader.
People forget I'm a minority, which is an amazing line.
People forget I'm a minority. The Asian coach. We are
engaged in conversations with the campus community to share our
sincere apology. We have confidence uh all of this and

(01:26:07):
asked if there will be discipline and ary action. We're
working through everything. Still, all of this, I think is
evidence of how as a society we have become broken.
We have become broken when it comes to understanding context.
There is a difference between, as I said earlier, what
Riley Cooper did hurling a racial slur at a black

(01:26:29):
security guard because he's angry, and if Riley Cooper had
been at a Kanye West song concert singing along with
a song. And this is not just something that the
white community deals with in our society today, We've got
all different sorts of people from all different walks of life,
all different races. There are people from every different racial
and ethnic and religious and sexual background that you can

(01:26:51):
possibly imagine listening to this show in all fifty states.
And I think what is most important if we're trying
to move forward as a country is contextualizing what is
and what is not racist. Singing along with a popular
rap rap song is not racist. The context is one
of paying homage to the artist and embracing his artistic creation,

(01:27:16):
not in detegrating and insulting a race of people. Yet
we right now live in very much of a society
where everything is perpetually branded as racist, and as a result,
most of the time you don't even hear conversations like this.
I bet I'm the only white guy with a national
radio show in America that will discuss this show, uh

(01:27:40):
this story, and this topic to the degree that we have,
because most white people gonna be honest with you, most
white people are gonna say, I've got nothing to gain
here other than saying this is racist and this is awful.
I'm not even gonna touch it. I think that's how
we've ended up where we are as a country so
divided and angry that many people who voted for Donald

(01:28:01):
Trump didn't even agree with anything Donald Trump was saying.
They were just so upset at the direction of our
national discourse that they said, screw it, let's bring in
somebody who's just gonna throw bombs. I don't think it's
a coincidence in a larger scale, I think this directly
corresponds to how we ended up with Hillary Clinton and
Donald Trump running against each other for president. In our

(01:28:23):
national discourse had become so strained that the Democrats nominated
the most hated Democrat to ever run for president, and
the Republicans nominated the most hated Republican to ever run
for president. All of this spirals out of stories like these,
where the goal now isn't to find somebody that can
appeal to as a large of an audience as possible.

(01:28:46):
It's to find somebody that the people you disagree with
on politics hate the most. That's where we are. I'm
gonna take your calls, but I want to play a
couple of things in context for you. Now. First, here
is the Freaky Friday song that is so popular, that
is so controversial that is so contentious that Virginia Tech

(01:29:06):
and the girls I'm there lacrosse team are under siege
for singing this. I walk up, Chris Greezy, Oh my god,
I'm the man that just FaceTime crying. I'm total MoMA's
biggest thing. Holy, I got a kid. I can sing,

(01:29:32):
so I wonder if I can sit and wait up. Okay,
that is the context and if you're listening to that
there it is again a Freaky Friday concept where you
wake up not just in somebody's different body, but in
somebody's different skin. The white wrapper little Dickie saying he's

(01:29:54):
waking up one morning and he is Chris Brown and
as a result, the rules that apply to him are
different than the rule is that applied to him as
a white rapper. It's an insanely popular song, Danny G.
You're plugged in with the l a hip hop scene.
This is a song that would play regularly correct. Yeah,
it's in the mix a lot right now. So I mean,
it's not a surprise that it would be popular with

(01:30:15):
kids all over college campuses everywhere. They're hearing it on
the radio, they are singing along to it in the
rooms as many of you growing up would have sung
along to whatever songs were popular when you were a kid.
In college differences nowadays, you might have been rapping along
to Snoop Dogg. Back in two thousand, nobody had cell
phone videos out. Nobody was going to be upset if
you're rapping along to Gin and Juice and you say

(01:30:36):
something inappropriate, uh in the war, in the world of
the politically correct universe, because I think there was an
understanding of context there. If you are singing along with
a song, it's probably because you like it and you
respect the artist, and you respect what he is attempting
to convey. And art is nestled in nuance. The best
art is rooted in nuance. I'm gonna get to a

(01:30:59):
clip from the television show Black Is Here momentarily that
Jason Martin has pulled. But where we typically discuss complex
issues is frequently in the world of art, whether it's music,
whether it's television, whether it's movies, whether it's great works
of literature. Where we deal with complex issues is art.
Because art does not dwell good art anyway in black

(01:31:21):
and white. Now don't mean the colors. I mean it
doesn't dwell in absolutely good or absolutely evil. Think of
your favorite television show, whether it's Tony Soprano, whether it
is uh, something from Breaking Bad, whether it's Something from
the Wire. Typically the best television shows deal with people
who are intensely human. Sometimes they are good, sometimes they

(01:31:44):
are bad. Rarely are they either all good or all bad,
because that is not art unless you're talking about Disney movies.
And I like to use this as an example all
the time. I got three kids ten, seven and three
grow up watching Disney movies. What do you grow up
thinking when you watch Disney movies? Some animals are good,
some animals are bad. What animals are good usually dogs?

(01:32:06):
What animals are bad usually snakes. And kids have this
disneyfied worldview, which is now translated into social media where
people refuse to see nu. Once, if I said to you,
you watch the Sopranos, is Tony Soprano good or bad?
Were like a Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's bad, but
he's intensely human. He's taken his daughter on a college

(01:32:32):
visitation trip, and he might kill somebody on that trip
because he's a mobster. But you also think, you know what,
he's trying to be a pretty good dad. That's an
extreme example, just like Walter White thinking he's gonna die
of cancer and getting into creating drugs and becoming a
powerful drug dealer. Is he a good guy or a
bad guy. Sometimes he's good, sometimes he's bad. His motivations

(01:32:52):
ultimately we're good. Sometimes they let him astray. That's nuance.
That's art, Huck Finn good or bad. Well, sometimes he's good,
sometimes he's bad. You go into great art and you
find nuance. In social media and frankly our media at large,
there is no time for nuance. It is all either
good or evil. It's all the best thing or the

(01:33:14):
worst thing that's ever happened. I think that is contributing
to a downgrade in our national discourse. But a show
that did a good job dealing with this and have
somewhat similar fashion recently was Blackish. They had a school
talent show and the youngest kid went out and did
a a recitation at the school talent show of Kanye

(01:33:38):
West gold Digger, except he did not. Seeing the edited version,
I think you're gonna think this is funny, but it's
also done in a smart way. And then you have
three different people discussing the fallout you have an older grandfather.
You have a wife, and you have a dad. Alright,
a husband, a wife, and a grandfather, all discussing the
fallout of the kids, young kids. It's performance at the school.

(01:34:02):
Uh at the school talent show. Listen to this clip.
Say she mist win the boat? She boat? Okay, Nope,

(01:34:22):
I told you it was a doozy. Why is my
son being sent home? Well, the school has a zero
tolerance policy for any form of hate speech. What idiot
came up with that? How was I supposed to know
that was going to come back to viteus in the butt?
Well it did. Boat took a big old chunk out
of my ass. Half a cheat gone? Well where did

(01:34:43):
Jack get an idea to say a word like that
in the first place? Say she's a oh girl's my
favorite song and we it every day on the way
to school. Damn it, it's his birth right. Jewish kids

(01:35:04):
get to go to Israel, Black kids get to say this.
Say that is ridiculous. Nobody should say it. It is
an ugly, hateful word with an even uglier and hate
filled history of it being said to us, not by
us as usual. Son, You have absolutely no idea what
you're talking about. But that is not a word the
black folks need to be using. So all the different

(01:35:28):
nuanced perspectives they're delivered, I think, very candidly and a
humorous fashion on that television show, which also applies to
what happened to the Virginia Tech women's lacrosse team here. Now,
what is interesting about this, First of all, the humor
involved in their son being penalized for zero tolerance for
hate speech that the mom helped to ensure existed at

(01:35:48):
the school. You can't really pick up on that necessarily
from the clip. Is absolutely fantastic and also perfect of
the example of unintended consequences. You uh. It speaks to
the lack of context, Like I don't think there's anybody
out there who would have thought hearing that kid wrap
along the gold Digger that he needs to be sent home, right.

(01:36:10):
He is just performing as he has seen his dad
do in the car, and as he has certainly seen
Kanye West do. And I think that is similar to
what happened with the girls here. The difference is the race,
but the lack of context is similar. Now, I want
to take your calls as the last calls will take.
I gotta say this as we go to the calls.
You guys have done a pretty fabulous job as callers.

(01:36:32):
I think as a group that we have the best
callers in the nation. Don't let me down here. I'm
gonna roll through all of you from all over the country.
Let's start with Jason in Maryland. What's up, Jason? What's
going on? Man? First of all, shout out to you.
See with tackling the situation and everything that come along
with it. As an African American man, um, I grew

(01:36:54):
up right outside of Washing and DC. I'm also a wrapper.
I'm a college that educated man. So we think we
can offer unique But personally, I just think that that
word was flipped by a certain community and demographic of
people that it was intended to destroy and detigrate. So
they have the liberties to live it and use it
as a term of endearment or however they decided to

(01:37:15):
use it. Now. Yes, the question is shouldn't be used
as a term of endearment? That's the whole another conversation
for that community behind closed doors, But other communities, other ethnicities,
they just gotta take the l on this when they
realized that some words you just can't say, regardless of
the situation, for godless of the context, you an't got
those liberties. And it's it's just like that. But if

(01:37:37):
you buy the music, and if you are an artist,
will willing to sell the music to white people, how
then should you only sell a white version of the song?
Should you only sell a black version of the song?
To me? These girls like, is it is it racist
to wrap along to the song? No? No, That's why
I differ. It's not racist. It's not racist to wrap

(01:37:58):
along with the word it's not eve. I think it's unwise,
But I don't think that is racist because you want
to use that word. It's starting smoke that come with
that words. So if you want to be free to
use it, LOLLYGOGGI death dudes and say that that's cool.
But when that smoke from the media and when people
start looking at your sideways and somebody opposed you on
the street, you might get those hands. But do you

(01:38:22):
think that but but but that's that's my question here.
The context is I think people of all races are
smart enough by and large to hear a group of
people singing along in a celebratory fashion to a song
and understand that that is not a negative context. In
other words, if somebody is driving down the street and look,

(01:38:42):
I agree with you on some sense, I wouldn't get
up and do a karaoke version of a song that
had a racial slur in it, because, first of all,
I'm not a very good rapper, Right, I would pick
another song. Uh. But I understand that some kids today
consider it like the goal of karaoke is to try
to sound as much like the artist as you can

(01:39:02):
if the words are showing up on the screen in
front of you. I think a lot of kids out there,
regardless of their race, whether they're Asian, Hispanic, black, or white,
are gonna sing along to gold Digger as the song
appears to them, as opposed to humming along just like
the kid did, right. And I don't think they're doing
that in a racist context. I think that is different.
That's why I used the Riley Cooper example to me,

(01:39:24):
I don't think Riley Cooper would have been in trouble
if he had been singing along to Kanye West's gold
Digger on a video. What he did was he saw
a black guy and he used a racial slur to
demonstrate his disc dismay at the fact that the black
guy wasn't doing what he wanted to do. I think
he wanted to get backstage or something like that. Right.
I think what we have lost as a society is

(01:39:44):
the ability to contextualized speech, and this is an example
of that. I feel you on that. But here's the thing, Like,
you're a very smart dude. I listened to you show.
You're a very very smart due. You and I both
know that common sense is the average person a sort
of come to be able to separate and divide context
and what would happen on how did they mean and

(01:40:05):
all of that situation. So these are the rules. Yeah,
it's it's an interesting point of my argument, and I
think it's a good point. My argument is that we
should be smarter than the media is is being and
allow us to divide it like and I'm talking about
like in particular, I got sent this link, which is
where I became aware of the story dead Spin. Like you,

(01:40:25):
if you see this headline virgin video shows Virginia Tech
women's lacrosse team chanting the N word. Coach calls it
a teachable moment. You're not gonna think that by chanting
the N word they mean singing along to a popular
rap song. Right, the media I think divides this here.
It was definitely irrespossible, it definitely was inflammatory. But here's

(01:40:46):
a situation, and we're gonna roll around in the mud
a little bit on this one, I say, And I
ain't trying for the whole race situation. So like that's
the antit of me of white privilege, you feel me
like it's certain words, is what it is like White
people just can't say these words. And for you to
think that because I'm saying along with the song, then
I get to sass you. This is where I would

(01:41:08):
disagree with you. I don't think we should have speech
rules applied based on race. And I think, in particular,
in my opinion, if you are an artist and you
are monetizing a large group of people of a different
race by using that language, then you don't control their
ability to embrace it or not embrace it. Right to me,
this is the kids paying homage to this artist, regardless

(01:41:31):
of who he is. They're not talking about race and
trying to be offensive. And so that's where I think,
if you make the decision, you know what, I'm happy
to take your money singing this song, But then you
don't have the right to replicate the song. I think
that is a That's where I draw the line now
on an individual basis, I just wouldn't get up and
wrap because I don't think I would do it that well.

(01:41:52):
And I certainly wouldn't wrap uh the lyrics that have
racial slurs in them, because I don't think that reflects
well on me. But I think I'm of a different generation.
I'm thirty eight years old. I think there's a lot
of eighteen and nineteen year old kids out there in college.
They didn't grow up paying attention to the Civil Rights
movement and Martin Luther King got assassinated fifty years ago.
To them, it might as well be like the Civil

(01:42:14):
War itself. It's so far removed to them. I remember
when I was growing up, like the Kennedy assassination happened
sixteen years before I was born. Sixteen years now to
me doesn't seem that long ago. That's like two thousand two.
But when I was a kid sixteen years ago, it
seemed like it was the Middle Ages. The idea that
John F. Kennedy got assassinated in nineteen sixty three seemed

(01:42:37):
like a totally different universe. Kids today, like two thousand
seems to them like a totally different universe. So they've
grown up sort of marinated and steeped in an era
we're freaking Snoop Dogg is now on the oldies. I mean,
so their their generation is going to be different, and
I think a lot of them see nothing at all,
nothing at all wrong with it. I feel you on that,

(01:42:59):
But that's even all a reason why they have to
be held accountable. Two things, and I know this young
is going a little longer, but you're saying one thing,
like y'all can't tell a community how to utilize that word,
what words they can't say, what words they can't say?
You can suggest it, But if that community flips a
negative word, and not just African American community, so sectual
community has been it, Asians have done it, Hispanics have

(01:43:20):
done it. There's all the negative words that community have
flips and turned into terms of endearment. If that is
wise or unwise as a conversation for them the helf
and not for other communities to dictate how they utilize
their vocabulary. Rule number one, Rule number two. As a
rapper myself, you're absolutely right. I make the soul. If
you want to sit it, you can spit it. You
don't want to say, y'all goutsit it. I can't control

(01:43:41):
how you replicate myself. But on the same so, yeah,
I can't control how these other youngers out here gonna
look at you when you're talking sideways out the mouse
me as an educated man, if you say the N words,
your white person, ain't you but angle for no hands
on you, I'm gonna looking at you like kind of weird.
But we're gonna keep them more there. The other people
from the hood, other people from Southeast see bird Palm,
the problem New York, Miami. They're gonna put some hands

(01:44:02):
on you, and you got to do with Yeah, I
appreciate the call, but I think a lot of people
are gonna say I understand when it's a song. I
think there's a difference between deciding that you're just gonna
break out the inward and regular conversation with minorities and
being in a club and singing along with a popular song. Again,
that to me is context. I'm gonna get all these
calls in really quick, and then you guys have been fantastic,

(01:44:24):
But but I've got to go to my guy, John Campbell,
I gotta make you some money gambling, and I think
we got some animal Thunderdome to close out the show.
But Nate in Long Island, what's up? Hey? I was
going to my car um. I just wanted away in.
I was looking to this this morning on Hot ninety
seven and they were talking about the same stuff and
they made a big deal out of it. They're like,
why people saying, I'm like, they're singing along the eight song. Bro,

(01:44:47):
It's not like they came up to you, like you
know Riley Cooper situation. Also, I have women's people, Black
Spanish going to Hi white guy and come the ntword
and then when he said I'm not a he just
punch him in the Facecase set it back, just letting
them know, you know, bro, don't call me that. So
how are you gonna call him that he called you?
Please don't call me that. You still get mad? Yeah,

(01:45:08):
I appreciate. I appreciate the call. I'm gonna try to
get as many of the men as I can. Again,
I think context is the key to life. Some people
think moderation is the key to life. I think context
doesn't exist in an Internet age. I think all of
us should do a better job contemplating things in context
and don't allow the media to lead us astray. Here
Michael and Boker tone, what's up Michael, morning, Clay, how

(01:45:30):
are you? Thanks for taking the call? Play context? Uh.
You spend a lot of time today talking about context,
and I appreciate the conversation. I do think people have
done a nice job with it. However, yesterday listening to
you and talking about Michael Bennett, but really really and
and spending a lot of time out Stephen A. Smith
without putting into context the fact that he is paid

(01:45:50):
to be a character of himself. That was not journalism,
that he was exposing his comments. The thing about the
thing about Michael Bennett we played yesterday was my contention
was that Stephen A. Smith, if he's gonna argue race
being involved with Michael Bennett, he has an obligation to
his audience to be as honest as possible and point
out that the alleged victim in the Michael Bennett incident

(01:46:13):
is a black woman power paraplegic, Like, if you're going
to focus on the fact that she's a paraplegic and
she's a senior citizen, you should also mention that she's black,
which undercuts a lot of the arguments that it's race
based the charges because you've got a woman who's pressing
charges who's black, and a victim, a victim who's black allegedly,
and then the part perpetrator is black. So to me,

(01:46:35):
that's being dishonest to your audience. But with a context,
we understand that Stephen A. Smith is paid to expouse
opinions that whether they or not, you know, yeah, but
I'm paid. I appreciate the call. I'm going to keep
running through here. The point is I'm paid for my

(01:46:55):
opinion too, but I try to give you all of
the factual basis. You're not paid, in my opinion, you
shouldn't be to spout dishonesty or partial truths to your audience.
What I try to do every day on this show
is tell you why. Honest opinion doesn't mean that I'm allay,
you're always gonna agree with me, doesn't mean that I'm
always right, But that's my goal, and I think that's

(01:47:16):
Stephen A. Smith's goal. And if he's not sharing the
full context of that story, either he's not fully informed
and he didn't know which is an indictment, or he
is choosing not to share the full information with his audience,
which is also an indictment. Nick in Denver, what's up, Yo,
Hey yo, Clay, So just real quick, man, My whole

(01:47:37):
problem was like everybody labeling everything is racist. Like one
of your guys earlier was talking about taking the power
out of the end word, like they're taking like the
liberal media is taking the power out of the word
racist and marginalizing everybody with it. So it's actually making
an environment in which racist because it's not it's not
really specific anymore, like oh you're a racist. It's like,

(01:48:01):
you know, you're saying like you you hate black people.
It's like, oh you're a racist. You're singing a song,
you know, like it. It's so marginalized at this point,
this is ridiculous, Like the words going to have no
power in the next few years, and then we're going
to have a real racism problem. Words have power, man,
We can't just keep throwing them around like it's just
a game, you know what I mean. You know, it's

(01:48:23):
a good point. It's like the Boy who Cried Wolf,
you scream racist when the kids are singing along to
a rap song. When real racism happens, nobody looks Dan
in Chicago. What's up Dan? Thank way? So I got
a question to you in your legal expertise. So if
if these girls are suspended, which I think, unfortunately is
probably fairly likely, it's not to spend it and there

(01:48:43):
will be some kind of punishment laid out. And then
later on there comes a video with a black athlete
with a very similar situation, maybe rapping along with a
song the using the N word in it, and there's
no punishment handed out. Is there a case for racial
discrimination that these girls can bring up to the school
or against another. Yeah, I hope they don't get suspended.
If they do, we're gonna have a lot more discussion
about it. I've got to go to break. We'll be

(01:49:05):
back on the flip side with my guy John Campbell.
This out kick the coverage on Fox Sports Radio songs
a lot better unedited. I'm just saying, all of you
out there listening to this right now, no exactly what
I'm talking about. It's better without the edits. It is

(01:49:25):
gonna take some more of your calls. I bumped John
Campbell to tomorrow, so he's gonna come on tomorrow to
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(01:49:45):
go ahead and get my guy, Eddie Garcia, and then
we'll hit to your calls on the flip side, all right,
clay Well. In the NFL, owners passed the new rule
that will expand penalties for helmet helmet contact. It's similar
to the college football targeting rule. Out of the new
rule of player will be penalized fifteen yards and could
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initiate and make contact with his helmet against an opponent. Also,
the owners unanimously approved the simplified catch rule. It includes

(01:50:07):
control two feet down on another body part and a
football move to complete a catch. In the NBA, some
games of note, Rockets won their tenth in a row
beating the Bulls won eight teen to eighty six. The
top team in the league wins without MVP candidate James
Harden was given the night off to rest. Wizards beat
the Spurs one sixteen to one oh six, and Antonio
also lost star LaMarcus Alder to a knee injury. He'll

(01:50:28):
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(01:50:50):
Quick from the NFL. Again, quarterback Johnny Manzell continues his
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the Patriots met before and after the workout with the
former Heisman Trophy winner. Wouldn't that be something? Indeed, we're
gonna get some of your calls rare. My wife text
me during the show always dangerous actual praise. You know,

(01:51:14):
if you get praised by your wife, you have to
read it live on the air. Good discussion on the
Virginia Tech rap song issue with your and your callers.
Interesting parallel songs sung by women. She gives for an
example Beyonce and Madonna about sex that is men sing along?
Isn't that sexist, degrading even rape culture? Are people only

(01:51:36):
allowed to sing along to saying two songs if they
are the same in quotation marks as the person singing?
What about the I Define Me movement that we all
relate to music in different ways. It's an interesting point.
A lot of men out there sing along to women's songs.
Isn't that an example of you taking over the woman's
voice and vice versa women singing along to men's songs.

(01:52:00):
The purpose of art, in many senses of the word,
is to experience things in a different way, to make
you contemplate life in a way that you might not
have before. Whether it's music, television, movies, literature, art, photography,
all of those uh existences of art are there to

(01:52:25):
make you contemplate life in a way that you wouldn't
have before. In essence, the artist is trying to bring
all of us into their mind so that we can
see the world as they see it. And the best
artists are the ones who make us see things that
we ourselves, standing alone, may not have seen on our own.

(01:52:47):
And in that sense, art is the great unifier and
connector because it forces us to get outside of our
own perspectives. Isn't that what the Virginia AC women's lacrosse team,
in some sense, we're doing here. Even if it is
a fun and silly rap, it's also raising intriguing questions

(01:53:09):
Kevin and Florida. What's up Kevin? Hey, how's it going
to play? So? Um? I played at Cooper City High
School down here in Florida about five years ago, and
we are predominantly white football team. I mean we might
have had two black kids on the team. So in
order to get ourselves wild up, you know during practice,
good ready for the week? I believe that it was

(01:53:30):
the weekly beat Saint Thomas. Um, I'm singing, these ends
won't hold me back, These ends will hold me back.
So former Minding Hurricane coach now player development for FIU,
he punches me in the ribs and knocks the wind
out of me. And I looked back and I asked him,
you know why he did that, and he said, I

(01:53:52):
don't like you using that word. You say that again,
I'm gonna kick you off the team and make him threat.
So I just thought that that was clear example of
what you were talking about. I didn't say that, you are,
I said to A And I got assaulted by my
search for it. Yeah, I mean it's a little bit ridiculous.
Now he might have been teaching you a lesson so

(01:54:13):
that one day you don't get in trouble. Thanks for
the call. Let's go to walk in Willie down in
New Orleans. He's been waiting a while. Willie. What's up,
my man? Do we have Willie? I don't know. We'll
try to get Willie. We'll try to get that. We'll
finish out with your calls next. I'm Clay Travis. The
calls have been fantastic so far today. I would encourage

(01:54:36):
you guys to go download the podcast if you haven't
done it so far. I'm telling you, I think that
you will listen today's show, and I think you'll listen
to the whole thing. And I think you'll say, Damn,
I feel better about America than I did yesterday. Good discussion,
good context, good thorough uh, just contemplation of what I

(01:54:56):
think is a difficult and complicated issue that doesn't typically
get this kind of treatment in the media. Final segment. Next,
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(01:55:17):
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(01:55:37):
today than I did yesterday. Going to close out with
your calls. Don't blow it, Chad and Tennessee what you got.
Thank j MARDMX there Um. It's been a great, a
diverse group of people that have talked and called in
today and shared a lot, and I think everybody's hit
the point here. It has been taken out of context.

(01:55:57):
I don't think these girls meant an arm and what
they were doing by singing the song the way they did,
they shared the video. So when you do that, that
leads to a lot the dead spin in places like this,
they want to take stuff like that and run with it,
and like the point you made, make the uh um
headline worse than what it is that draws people to

(01:56:20):
their website, and then somebody in the liberal media is
gonna take this and probably spend it. Try to do
a white privilege. I looked up the roster. The entire
lacrosse team is white, So somebody's gonna throw a white
privilege into this, try to get players suspended. You wait
and see it'll happen, because it's gonna run today and
tomorrow and people are gonna make a big deal out

(01:56:41):
of it. And that's where I think some of this.
We gotta draw the line on what is actually offensive,
what is actually deeply offended, because we use that word
so often. It goes back to the one caller. If
everything is actually racial, now, when do you truly define
one is racismic? Uh? Yeah, this is Uh. I think
you're right. I mean, I think that the argument that

(01:57:02):
I would make is that we as a country are
in a place now where we're boy who Cried Wolf
when everything is called racist, including a popular rap song
being sung by people who aren't black, which is to
me evidence of what is great about America. You know
the concept of the melting pot. If I'm an artist,

(01:57:24):
and I am an artist in some sense, I have
a radio show I write, I want to appeal to
the largest possible audience imaginable. If you told me that
only black people were gonna listen to this show, I
wouldn't think I'd done a good job. If you told
me that only white people were gonna listen to this show,
I wouldn't think I had done a good job. If
you told me that only Asian people are only Hispanic
people were going to listen to this show every morning

(01:57:44):
across all fifty states, it would not mean that I
was doing a good show. My goal is to appeal
in an intelligent fashion to everybody out there who decides
what to listen to in the morning, and certainly if
they want to talk about sports and this story with
the women's lacrosse team at the attack, you don't really
know what you're gonna get. Some mornings you might tune in,
we might do an hour on the Animal Thunderdome. I

(01:58:05):
try to be smart, original, funny, and authentic every day,
and that's what we try to do with this story,
which most people will not touch. For that reason, because
most white guys out there are going to say, man,
I'm afraid to touch this. I could lose my job
if it goes wrong. I don't think that way. I
come on. I try to have honest conversations with you,
regardless of what the topic is. Scott in Los Angeles,
What's up? Scott? Absolutely phenomenal the deaf touch that you

(01:58:30):
have as far as dealing with various topics. I'd like
to say two things. I think it's it's an issue
of uh uh, what I'd like to see happen. I'd
love to see a Kanye West or Jamie Fox or
somebody from that Jondre come out and say, hey, look,
aren't we going a bit overboard with this? Whole thing,

(01:58:51):
because the bottom line is, I think the issue is
uh people suffer from selective amnesia. They choose to us
what they want to address. They choose to ignore what
they want to ignore, and they patterned it off of
their individual beliefs or what they can get, what they
can get people to respond to. And I think that

(01:59:11):
the one place that could come forward and probably swatched
this whole thing to give us a voice a reason
are probably the individuals that made the song. Yeah, yeah, no,
I I think that'd be great. I remember it was
a ridiculous story. You remember when Blake Lively got shamed
for saying she had an l A l A feast
l A face within Oakland booty. I mean, I think

(01:59:32):
it was the Sir Mix a Lot song, right, And
she put up a picture on Instagram and it was
Blake Lively. She was pregnant and she had an l
A face and she had an Oakland booty and people said,
oh my god, she is she is white, she's white
appropriating this song. And then I think Sir Mix a
Lot came out and said no, Like, my goal was
not to make a song that only black people would like.

(01:59:52):
My goal was to have a song that appealed to everybody.
She's using the song in context. She got a big
ask down because she's pregnant and she's got a really
good look at face l a face and Oakland booty
was a thing. Nisso and mass gotta be really fast. Hey, um,
I just wanted to say, Uh, there's a word. I'm
Puerto Rican and we have a word that people like

(02:00:13):
to use. It's an acronym for Spanish person in control,
and we don't like to use it. We don't let
other people use it. You say it and the music stops.
You know, everybody gets around they don't. Thanks for the call.
We got ten seconds. I tried to get all of
you in. I love all the calls today. Thank you
for being such great supporters of the show. I'm Clay

(02:00:33):
Travis back tomorrow on our kick