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November 29, 2018 44 mins

Doug thinks the College Football Playoff only having 4 teams isn't perfect but it's the best we can get. Colts offensive lineman Anthony Castonzo stops by to tell Doug about Andrew Luck's comeback and their 5 game winning streak. Plus, Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show and breaks down the Cowboys offense and weighs in on whether they'll be able to keep up with the Saints. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:22):
of the Doug Gotli Show on Fox Sports Radio. Boom,
What Up America, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, Don't
Don't Doom. I am. I would like to say I'm
a perfectionist. I like things perfect. I just do I have.

(00:45):
I have high expectations of myself and others, and I
am self critical as well, knowing the good. But I
also like to take a step back in see kind
of the greater good, Like you know, what's the net net?
Is the net net a positive, then we're good. And
when the college football rankings came out last night, Oh
that's bitted. Complain what do we have? Eight? What do

(01:07):
we have? Sixteen sixty four? Said hike. Why don't we
have everybody get in participation or participation trophy country. Let's
let everybody get in. Let me let you in on
a little bit of my home life last night. So
I get home m or fifteen ish. It's good life,
don't I'm not complaining about it. And my son's playing.

(01:31):
My son takes tennis on Tuesdays. And I went and
got a cup of coffee, and I had some other
work to do, Like I was, I've been gone so much.
I have expense reports to do. I I also have
a basketball teams that I coach, and I got an
NJB team that I coach, and I got other emails
to send out and return, and other people's radio shows

(01:52):
that I gotta commit to. And I got my schedule
to kind of line out. So I took some time,
some Doug time, if you will. But it wasn't like
I was sitting there getting a massage. And then I
go and I pick up my kid and he's in
a great mood, and we geek out. I was listened
to classic rock, which one of my daughters has gotten into.
On the way home, we're banging our heads. We get home,

(02:14):
we have like a family dinner, and then we put
we we decorate some of the Christmas tree. He and
I play a couple of card games, and I was
a little bit I was a little bit irritated and
that my daughters, who didn't have anything else to do,
hadn't finished their homework, and so we didn't complete the

(02:34):
task of decorating the tree and decorating the whole house
and really have a nice kind of family night where
we have nothing else to do. I like, wait, you
guys are home from three fifteen on and you decided
to start your homework at but what were you doing
for the last three and a half hours. Well, my
friend came over and I was doing this, and I

(02:55):
was doing that. So instead of having like the perfect
family night, which no one in America has anymore, where
you have dinner together, you do the tree, Let's have
a little dessert. Maybe we'll play a family game of cards.
We'll do something kind of keeping the TV off, I
had it on the background, recording college basketball NBA games,
watching the Lakers just get smacked by the Denver Nuggets,

(03:15):
watching Duke and Zion Williamson looked like the number one
pick that I told you on Twitter he was before
the game actually started. All those things. Instead of having
the perfect family night, we still had to juggle with
my wife. My wife's doing very well in seventh grade
math with two different she's doing great. She's getting an A.
The girls are getting bees, but she's getting an A.

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So instead of having the perfect But but then I
caught my breath before I went to bed that night,
and I was like, you know what, they were all
in bed when they're supposed to be in bed. We
got a roof for over the heads. We did get
a dinner together, we did kind of set up some
of the tree. The net net is that's about as
good a night as you're going to get in two
thousand eighteen when you have a wife, a husband been

(03:59):
very eighteen years, daughters that are twelve years old, and
little boy's nine years old, and they all play a
bunch of sports, like no one gets that. My net
net is, Hey, I'm searching for perfect, but the reality
is really good. That's the college football playoff. What I
like it? What I like to have this perfect number

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of teams where only the teams that are capable of
winning get in the planet. Like sure, if I could
create a system that right now had Georgia in had Ohio,
State in had Oklahoma in as well as the three
undefeated teams would be a great system, but every year

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changes in efall this year the PAC twelve sucks. Okay,
I live in the West Coast. My brother coaches in
a PAC twelve. My sister and brother are alums of
a Pack twelve school. I live around all these sc
idiots that can't decide what they want to do or
who they're superman. So most times I really liked the

(05:03):
Pack twelve. I don't blame the commissioner of the Pack
twelve for the fact that the Pack twelve stinks. There's
a myriad of other reasons, but the fact two isn't
deserving of having a uh having an argument that like
I can't like, well, we couldn't know, nonder your teams
are worthy here, and so you can't plan for the

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couple of years ago when SC should have been in
the playoff and Washington instead went and SC beats Penn
State in the Rose Bowl. Look the system we have,
is it perfect? No? Nope, not perfect. Matter of fact,
the system we have has made bowl games relatively you know,

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with the exception maybe of the New Year's I guess
New Year six. There's bowl games and there's the New
Year's six. Hey, it's New Year's six. Let's pretend like
they matter more, because some of them kind of do,
and then they don't matter as much. But outside of
the New Year's six and even something like a lot
of these college fall players aren't gonna play in it.
You know, they've they've seen past injuries, the Jalen Smith

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injury a couple of years ago, they saw what happened
Central Florida this past weekend, and they're like, um, I
got a chance of playing the league. I'm doing the
Christian McCaffrey. I'm doing the Leonard four net. I ain't
planned because we've made those other bowl games unimportant. And
you might sit at home and think, well, these games
have always been unimportant, Like not really, of those dudes.

(06:31):
That's the last time they ever play in a real
football game, ever, ever, last time put on helmets, last
time put on shoulder pads, last time they try and
get each other hyped up. Let's cool, let's cool, let's cool.
Who's cool? You know, football guy, anybody's ever played football
guy knows you just kind of lose your mind for
like five minutes there before the game starts smacking each
other's side the head the last time you'll ever do it.

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Ball games are actually really cool. Half the teams end
up with a win and even the other has like,
you know what, we didn't win the game. We cost
our conference some sort of conference sort of feel. But
at least it's warm and it's better than it is.
Were home. We got a swag bag and we get
to hang out with our boys for a week and
hit somebody else one more time legally. But the system

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we have, like the Bowl Game of bull system before
was not perfect, but was really good, and they probably
should have added a plus one, which is kind of
what they did anyway, Right, you got bowl games and
then they just have one additional game. It's not really
a playoff, it's a plus one. But then that net is.
During my lifetime, we've had several different times when we've

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had multiple national champions. The dumbest thing ever, you're a
national champion, and you're a national champion, we can play
each other. Nope, nope, ah, no you are not. I'm
not gonna play an nucetap. And you may think, hey,
the system still stinks because Central Florida finished undefeated list
year and they should have played for it. But the

(08:01):
reality is none of us believed they could have beaten
either any of those four teams two consecutive weeks. Wouldn't
have happened. Can you pluck off in Auburn when they
don't care and you really do? Sure? Is it a
great story what Central Florida has been able to do. Sure?
But during my lifetime, we actually used to have actually
used to have split national champions every once in a while.

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Was it Georgia Tech and Colorado one year and Nebraska
and Michigan one year? Like what? And the you want
have a dumb that's dumb? And so now we basically
picked the four best teams and we get about four
out of five, right or four out of six right.
But it's better to be more selective. Less is more,

(08:51):
more is not more. It's better to be exclusive than
overly inclusive. It's the opposite of life, all right. Better
to be exclusive, better make people feel like you know what,
I personally think Georgia is just as good, if not

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better than not Youre Dame, than Oklahoma than Ohio State.
And you know what, the truth is that george is
as good as I think they are. They'll give Alabama
a hell of a game this weekend and they might
still get in and I won't be bothered by it.
And if they don't, they'll sit there and go, hey,
you know, we shouldn't have done We shouldn't have turned
the ball over what five times against L s U

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and we'd still be playing, and you might sit there
and go, well, that's an unfair This is not about
being fair. Try and find the four best teams. Might
miss on a couple. But I've heard people on this
network on other networks like, man, how fired up would
you be? How fired up would you be if you
saw these games? Alabama taken on Central Florida wouldn't be

(09:59):
fired but all sorry, Alabama about twenty point favorite against
Central Florida. Right, Clemson taken on Michigan. I saw Michigan.
They had a chance to beat Ohio State, and I
believe Ohi State just scored again, Like it's okay, you
had a chance player for national championship and you lost.

(10:21):
Now you don't. That's what works. It doesn't mean that
does expanding mean that you would be like college basketball,
Like last night it was Duke Indiana, and obviously Duke
a lot better than Indiana, But we have gotten to
the point where there's an oversaturation of college basketball, and

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unlike me, most people don't care about them. Most people
don't record all of them and stay up late in
the night and watching them and breaking them down. But
we have this desire to search for a perfect We
gotta go perfect. I wanted to have a perfect night
at home. We want to have a perfect college ball
playoff with the perfect number of teams. Perfect doesn't exist.

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We were all concerned, but I was ardent defender of
the virtue of Andrew Luck. I was like, look, man,
the first three years, thirty three wins, took over an

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old roster that had holes, and you know, I just
thought having the greatest comeback in the history of the NFL,
taking a team like that to the a f C
Championship Game was enough. But there were the naysayers and
whether he had then he hasn't like internal organ damage
Andrew Luck did once and then he had the then

(11:45):
obviously had the shoulder problems. They were naysayers. They were haters,
if you will. And Now, Andrew luck is an MVP candidate,
his colts are an outside threat to make in the
playoffs after a really difficult start, and Anthony Costanzo, one
of his offensive linemen who have kind of helped solidify

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this cold team, joins us now on the Doug Gotlip
Show on Fox Sports Radio. Was there in the in
the during the O t A s. He was saying like, look,
I haven't even thrown the duke yet. I haven't thrown it.
They were taking along very slowly and he was throwing
like a high school ball and a smaller football. You
had to be were you guys sitting around there going like, man,
I don't know, like this doesn't Was there was there

(12:27):
ever ever concerned that he might not make it back? Um?
I don't think there's ever concerned that. It was a
matter of when, you know, like so he just everyone
wanted to be asking him or where are you at
with that? So yeah, I mean it was just kind
of like, hey, when are you going to be back?
But um, you know, he he's always very honest, and
you know he would he would tell us, you know,
I'm gonna be good and kind of just take his

(12:49):
word for it, and hello and behold, he was what
he was right when when he came back and he
was playing early in the season, you guys weren't throwing
the ball down field. Um, what was at like? When
they were still again, they were still naysayers even when
he was playing in playing pretty well? What was it like? Um? Yeah,
I mean I was obviously hurt for a lot of

(13:10):
the beginning of the season, but obviously I was still around,
um and and just kind of watching, and I mean
you could see that he had the command of the offense.
And UM, I'm not sure what the reason is for that.
You know, it's it's maybe it's just a fall into
our game plan against certain teams. But um, I mean
he I think, you know, even after his first preseason
games like okay, good, Andrew's back, you know, it was

(13:31):
a nice nice to see him out there within the
ball around and I'm having a lot of confidence over
the offense in command of the whole team. Really, all right,
I want to ask you about a decision your coach made.
You know, he's a first year coach, and I was
critical of him. You're on your own, You guys are
on your own forty three yard line and you're playing
the Texans, and at the time I was like, man,
I get the bravado of Hey, let's go for it.

(13:54):
It's over time. But a tie at that point in
the season was good. And oh yeah, by the way,
you guys gave new life to the Texans. In hindsight,
was that a mistake to go for it? I no,
I mean, I'm I'm behind that decision, and then you've
got confidence I'm in your offense to to make it.
I think that's something that, um, you kind of you

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gotta do. I mean, that's uh, that's just a gutsy
play call, and it's just having confidence in the games.
And unfortunately didn't it didn't work out for us at
the time. But um, you know, some of you kind
of gotta get over quickly and the move run. On
the next one, Anthony Costanza left tackle Indianapolis Colts six
and five on the year second with bullet in uh,
the a f C South joined Just Doug Gotlip Show

(14:35):
Fox Sports Radio. Do you get tired of Quinton getting
all this love? Like? No one ever shows your blocks
on Twitter, no one ever goes like, hey, Costanzo laid
that guy out nothing. It's all dude, Quinn Nelson is nasty,
he's mean, he's a disrespectful blocks. Do you get a
little bit jealous of the fact that the Rooks getting
all this love. No, I'm not sure my game is

(14:57):
quite as exciting as his. Sou It's uh, it's it's
rightfully due to him. I mean I love seeing I
love seeing him play that way and uh and get
some notice getting anything, and he deserves it. So uh,
it's it's fun to be playing next to a guy
like that. He just really loves the game. So it's, um,
it's really he's a great guy to play next to.
And like I said, I mean it's awesome that you

(15:18):
don't really see Lyneman get accolade like that, just so
to see people kind of recognizing him, it's really in
his career is exciting. Okay, So did whoever operates the
cults Twitter handle? Did they pay his fine because he
had that there was that there's the video of him
just lower is it just just I mean, he dump
truck the dude, and then the league's like, oh, well
he lowered his helmet, here's a here's a maximum fine.

(15:40):
Um that that had to go that had to be
an interesting conversation in the locker room. We're definitely looking
for that person. When when the fine came through, they like,
wait a second, this seems like like like maybe they
were alerted to this by I don't know that a
huge media hoop player. Bit So yeah, I mean this
thought definitely crossed him. That says how thin He's still

(16:01):
waiting at an appeal from that. Um, okay, what do
you think of Andrew lux receiving skills? You know, it's
one thing to split a guy out wide, then to
throw the football to him. Um, how did how did
he great out? When you guys watch that film? Hey,
he called the ball you got got up the first down.
I prefer to not see and take those hits when
he doesn't need to. But um, yeah, I mean he's

(16:23):
an athlete, you know, he's more than this a guy
to go back there and throw the ball. He's an
absolete And you know, I think that if we do
split them out again, teams have to respect the fact
that we are willing to throw to him. So it's
a good thing to have on film. Um, and it
kind of opens other things up in the offense. Yeah,
I mean, like listen, when the Saints put breeze out wide,
you like they're they're not throwing there. There's no chance
Taysom Hill is gonna throw a dim. But now with

(16:44):
Angel luck, you gotta at least put somebody out there
right exactly, and that creates other holes in the in
the defense that you can take avantage of. Anthony Costanzo
joining us from the Indianapolis Colts. They are winners of
five consecutive games. Um, I don't know, it's still losing
to the Yets feels like the low. But was there
when was the moment that it turned? When was the
moment that you're like, this is we got a shot

(17:06):
this year to do something, you know what? It doesn't there.
There hasn't been like a mall because we have such
a methodical kind of um approached every week. It's like
it doesn't even feel like there was a turning point.
It just kind of felt like we were going about
our business the right way all season, and we just
kind of knew that at some point we're gonna start
winning games, because I mean even early we're playing really well.

(17:27):
It's just that, you know, games started just kind of
slipping away from us at the end or something would happened,
and we're like, you know, if we continue on this
course playing good football, that eventually games are gonna start
kind of falling our way. And um, that's what's been happening.
You know, we've just kind of stuck to the process
and stuck to taking one play at a time. Actually
worked out for us. Yeah, but I wonder if the
Jacksonville game, considering was a close game, because you know

(17:48):
how it is, as much as you you want to
be like, its process and and if we're and we're
good with the process, the result will follow. But when
you find a way to lose close games like you
did to New York, like you did to Houston, like
you did to Philadelphia, there does you know, Look, maybe
whether it's in the stands or on the sidelines, there's
this sense of inevitability. Ah, the cultural screw this thing up, right,

(18:08):
But but something something had to was it? Did something
change in the Jacksonville game? Was there anything at all
you can point to be like, now we're finding way
to win games, then the past we would have lost.
I don't really know. I mean no, I mean, it's
it's literally just that, you know, I mean it's it's
such a one play at a time mindset here. I
really can't even put my finger on on on what

(18:30):
it is. Um. I mean, it's just I will say,
I don't know when you know that feeling comes about
or what creates it, but I will say, you know,
in the fourth quarter of this past game, we're downten
for some reason, you know, you just kind of had
that idea in your mind like, oh, we're gonna win
this game. And I remember having that feeling, you know,
in like two thousand and twelve two thousan and third
team and we had a bunch of comebacks. Um, it's

(18:52):
just kind of the same feeling where it's like, as
long as this game is close in the fourth quarter,
we know that we can win it. Anthon Costanzo joining us,
I know, you know the stat I think other people
either they're they're gonna be stunned when they hear it.
Your unique offensive line is only allowed one sack in
the last six games once and the the whole thing
in the NFL is like, look, all these guys are good.
You get a really good guy and you give them time,

(19:13):
and they're gonna they're gonna pick you apart. What is
it about this offensive line, your unit that has allowed
you guys to gel so quickly and so cohesively. Um well,
I mean a lot of it has to do with
with the kind of the way our offense is set up.
And you know Andrew also having amazing pocket awareness and
getting rid of the ball. He he makes our job

(19:33):
a lot easier. Um. But I mean we just we
just kind of know where each other is going to
be at on the offensive line. We know what we
need to do, and we know what has expected us
by the guy next to us. And I think just
kind of that that unspoken understanding of of you know,
if a guy falls off late, where do we want
them to fall off where we know we have our help? Um?
You know what what kind of pocket are we looking
to create? It's it's really a game plan thing. Um.

(19:55):
You know, our our coach, coach good has done a
great job of kind of getting to fall on the
same page with that, and we've been fortunate enough to
have a bunch of the same guys playing next to
each other as well. You know what happens is quarterbacks
when they have great years, they always buy their offensive
lineman something right. Oh, yeah, So I mean have you
put in the request yet? Like what is because and
usually they get you guys like offensive lineman stuff right

(20:16):
like yeah, I'm gonna get you guys like an a
t V. Like well then what if I don't what
if I don't hunt and I don't want an a TV? Right?
So for you personally, what do you want? Ah? You
know what I was talking to Andrew about the other days,
like what kind of stuff you guys looking looking for?
Am I do? Just whatever you give us what, We'll
be happy with it. Uh, just you know, like weird

(20:36):
gifts like I don't need like a scar for you know,
or something like that, like some weird gifts to just
something I could I can have fun with. What I
told your parents? Your parents owned an Italian restaurant when
you're a kid, right, that is correct? What what was
your favorite dish? Who? Um? I was a big chicken
front chaise saying I success the chickets and they put

(20:58):
two two chicken cutlets with the front chase saw us
uh over it was almost thin. It might have been
like almost a pound of pasta and I would just
go to town on that. Um. Yeah, it's weird. How
how that used to be like that used to be
everybody's jam when we were in high school, right, carbload,
And now of a sudden, like now carves are bad.
You're like, wait, wait when did carves? Car carbs get bad?
You still carbo load night before a game? Oh yeah,

(21:19):
we're we're at a very high carbon load diet here,
which when when our nutrition has told this, you know
you guys got to get as many carbs as you can.
Growing up eating pasta like every night of my life,
I was like that I can do. So I've been.
I've definitely been abscribing to the to the high carb diet,
and you know, it's been great, been given give me
lots of energy, and uh, you know it's I think
a lot of it has to do with the fact
that has just grew up on it. I heard your

(21:41):
parents they never missed a game. Is that true? They've
never missed a game. Uh, they never missed one in college.
They've there have been a couple due to inclement weather,
you know, different things that have happened in the pros.
But I would say I think I've played like something
like a harn't twenty games. They've they've definitely been to
over probably over a hundred and ten of them. Listen.
I appreciate you join us, and obviously it's awesome stuff
that you guys have seen such success with your unit,

(22:01):
and thanks for joining us on Fox Sports Radio. Absolutely,
thank you very much. All Right's Anthony Costanzo, part of
the offensive line for the Indianapolis Cos. Be sure to
catch live editions of The Doug Dot Leap Show week
days in noon eastern three pm Pacific. The NFL is
not racist. Okay, the NFL is not racist. A couple

(22:24):
different things. One, you have an African American athlete who
is alleged to have beaten a woman who gets picked
up on waivers. Right, it's if you can play, or
do they think you can't play if they have any
sort of value for me. Here's another one. Ravens cornerback
Jimmy Smith told Robert Clem Covid Sports Ill Street. Any

(22:44):
black quarterback, especially with that type of speed, you get
labeled that he can't throw, but he can throw. We
have gone to the point now where black players don't
even know what the stereotype you used to be. It
was an incorrect stereotype, but the stereotype used to be

(23:06):
about the black quarterback. No one has ever said the
black quarterback couldn't throw. What the racial stereotype used to
be about quarterbacks that were black was they couldn't handle
an NFL playbook. Remember this is going back and warm Moon.
Of course, can we can have him on war Moon

(23:28):
throw about as pretty a football as possible. But the
stereotype was in the sixties and seventies and early eighties,
it was that a a a um, a black quarterback
couldn't handle an NFL playbook. That's it. That was the
That was the stereotype. And of course Doug Williams, who

(23:51):
is who we're just talking about, with the Redskins. He
was famously the first black quarterback to ever win a
Super Bowl, and he was famously asked the question how
long have you been a black quarterback? But it's by
a foreign journalist and it was it was kind of
lost in translation or whatever. No one ever said, ever, ever, ever,

(24:11):
ever said that Lamar Jackson couldn't throw a football. There's
YouTube video of him throwing at eight yards in high school.
What they did say was Lamar Jackson couldn't always throw
it to the guy he wanted to throw it too.
That was the problem, that he was little, that he
was non communicative, that he was either not particularly bright

(24:35):
or took the advice of his mom and didn't have
an agent. Here's what actually happened. Okay, actually happened. His
mom represented him, and when teams wanted to work him out,
they couldn't get ahold of him because they couldn't get
ahold of her. And that's not the way it works.
Like there's certain agents that represent all the quarterbacks. Why

(24:55):
because they know how all this stuff works. I told
people this before, like, look, I give ten percent of
my check to a guy who I think is a
great agent. I had two really good agents. They've been
doing for a long time. Now do I like giving
up ten percent of my check? Hell no, I don't.
But you know what, this is what they do for
a living, and they've done it for a long time,

(25:19):
and I would prefer the safety net of being put
in the best possible position to succeed. He didn't, and
it was a disaster. Additionally, when he went for the
white board, he was way behind in terms of his
football knowledge. And he's just not a super communicative guy.
He's just that's not his personality and that's also not

(25:43):
the personality. Uh and that's also opposite of most quarterbacks.
Personalities has nothing to do with if they're wide or black.
It just has to do with the position. Like, oh, well,
like you're being critical of his personality because he's black. No.
Jay Cutler's personality rubbed everybody the wrong way, all right,

(26:08):
Johnny Manzell's arm strength got criticized, so did his off
the field baggage. Tim Tebow was not a smart quarterback.
He wasn't. He couldn't also couldn't throw, why because that's
how he played. But the worst part is that Jimmy Smith,
who plays in the NFL, doesn't even know what the

(26:29):
old stereotype was, which was wrong about black quarterbacks. Yeah,
he's black quarterbacks a species can't throw. Nobody serves. Nobody
ever said that Mike Vick couldn't throw. Mike Vick couldn't
throw short and intermediate routes, Mike Vick couldn't read a
defense because Mike Vick, by his own account, didn't work
at it. Because what happens is we fast tracked these

(26:51):
guys through, fast track them through. They're so ridiculously athletic
and explosive at the position and they can throw the Ah,
did they read the playwright? Doesn't matter. They just do it.
They just they just they just make plays. Brett Farve
was considered dumb. Terry Bradshaw was considered dumb. So what

(27:19):
did what were their previous ratio stereotypes about black quarterbacks
not being able to read a defense, not being able
to understand the position. Yes, okay, but we've evolved past that.
Of all fast. If you can play quarterback, they will
have you played quarterback in the NFL. Whether you're white
or you're black, you're mixed race, your Hispanic, your your

(27:40):
Hawaiian like ta Is or Marcus Mariotte is let. They
don't care. We won't win football games what they said
about Lamar Jackson. And I talked to a team who said, hey,
we did evaluate him as a wide receiver because we
don't think long term he can play quarterback because they'll
figure out what you're doing. And he is not communicative,

(28:02):
and he's not somebody who's gonna be good in the pocket.
He's little, and though he's fast, he's inaccurate. And he
was I believe a blow six completion guy at Louisville
playing for a really good offensive mind and head coach. Now,
he was a freak athlete. He made plays and he'll
still make some plays. You're like, wow, But as I

(28:23):
said yesterday, tell me the athletic quarterback that's been outside
the pocket that's worked, even Steve Young, doesn't last long term,
doesn't last long term time. Montgomery said, this is sports sociation.
It's kind of hard to listen to TV when they
question his ability to throw a ball because he can't
throw a ball. No one's ever said he can't throw

(28:44):
a ball. Zero. There is not a single human being
that's like, you know, he can't throw a football. No,
it was can you throw a football accurately? You know,
like Josh Allen is Josh Allen white? He's white? Correct?
And what they say about Josh Allen, Josh Allen can
throw it a hundred miles into the driving rain, into

(29:09):
the wind. But dude, Josh Allen, he can't throw it
to the right team. He throws, he misfires. We don't avout.
No one has in the last twenty years evaluated a
players ability to throw a football based upon the color
of their skin. Is he athletic, Yeah, he's freaky athletic.

(29:33):
But he's little non communicative. And in terms of throwing
a football, the only thing that has ever been in
question is can you throw it to the right person?
That is actually a prerequisite for playing football in the
NAH Football League. Brady Quinn, we have on here white
Brady Quinn last in the Nation Futball League because he
was an accurate. He was an accurate and Brady will

(29:55):
tell you one thing. I know. Somebody who coached him
in the NFL is like, look, man, I think he
was just to like Brady. Have you ever seen Brady
Queen with his shirt off like that? Dude? Is? I
think he's actually done modeling. He's just too yoked up.
People thought he was inflexible, not as a human being
as an athlete. He may be inflexible as a human
being too, I don't. I don't know, but as but

(30:18):
we gotta stop with this nonsense about it. This reminds me.
It reminds me of people who criticize others. They shame
people for Halloween costumes that they call black face, Like look,
I don't think there's a real win and getting dressed
up as a black person or whatever. But if you
want to get dressed up and as Lebron James like,

(30:39):
that's not black face. Black Face is highly offensive, highly
highly offensive. But black face is again it was just
playing up negative stereotypes about black people back in the
nineteen twenties. But what happens is over the years people

(31:00):
don't know what actual black faces. So if you get
dressed up as a black positions like you're doing black face,
Like no, I'm actually just getting dressed up as Janet
Jackson or I don't even know what the win is
in it, because but people aren't even smart enough to
know what it is or to do a little bit
of research. So to Jimmy Smith and the Time Montgomery,

(31:21):
Time Montgomery is a smarter dude than that, Jimmy Smith.
I just think you get so defensive about Lamar Jackson.
No one has ever said he can't throw. It's can
you throw accurately? Can you run a huddle? Can you
read a defense? Can you communicate to the offense what
they're running and what they want to switch into? Fox

(31:44):
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joins us on the Doug Gottlip Show. Great, let's tell
with the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, Jerry Jones wax poletic about

(32:06):
a Mari Cooper's route running skills, and so the questions
haven't been about his route running though, it's been about
his hands he had some drops in Oakland, and about
his explosiveness. Is that is that accurate? Well, he's a
very good route runner, and I think he's explosive enough
given his size. Uh, you know, he's a good player.
You know, he's a better He's a good addition to

(32:28):
that team. But you know, to me, Doug, there it
kind of raises the question of where we are in
the NFL right now. The Cowboys are an old school offense.
It's a run game foundation. It's an execution run game.
There's not a lot of mrrextion, there's not a lot
of deception. It's a pretty basic pass game that by
NFL standards is somewhat remedial and elementary. So can that

(32:50):
kind of team be a true Super Bowl contender? That that,
to me is sort of the question about the Cowboys.
And uh, let's just before we get the Super Bowl contender.
Can they keep with the with the Saints? Because my
perspective is like, look, the way to be the Saints
is you've gotta keep Drew Brees out the field. The
way to give Drew Brees out the field is going
to have to be too long drives. But you gotta

(33:11):
run the football. They're actually really good against run. The
weakness of that defense is against the past. Do the
Cowboys have what it takes to beat the Saints? Well.
The other part to that is the defensive part. Their
defense is very, very good. Because when people talk about
keeping Drew Brees off the field, that's true, but there's
a misnomer to that. So let's say that in a
normal game he gets eleven or twelve possessions. So if

(33:33):
you hold them to nine possessions, Doug, think about this.
If you hold them to nine, but you give up
four touchdowns, that means you've got to score more than
twenty eight points. So the issue is not just keeping
them off the field. The issue is your defense has
to play really, really well. In addition, now the Cowboys
are built that way. It's run game and defense that's
the foundation. By design, they limit the impact of the quarterback.

(33:57):
But Prescott can beat you with his legs at time,
but they're really not asking him to be the guy
that drives that offense. Okay, so let's let's go back.
Do you believe that that the way in which their
offense is designed and how well they're playing, uh, is
good enough to keep up with the Saints, who they're
gonna score because they score on everybody. Well, then your

(34:19):
defense has to be really really good, because when you
say the Saints score on everybody up to this point,
they have uh, you know, when you go back to
some really good defenses, and I'm not certainly comparing them
to the defenses. I'm just saying that we've seen examples
in recent memory where defenses were so good that they
could hold teams down, like the Legion of Boom. So
the question is, is the Cowboy defense that kind of

(34:41):
defense where they could beat a Saints team? Um, their
defense has to be that way in order for them
to get to where they might want to go. Greg
go Sell joining us in the Doug Gatlip Show on
Fox Sports Radio. The Cleveland Browns of one two in
a row. They're puffing out their chest, but they've beaten
to the worst teams in the NFL. Bengals his historically

(35:04):
bad defensively, right like, they're gonna go down potentially as
the worst defense in the history of the sport. So
the Browns and their play calling that much better? Or
is the level of competition? Well, I think what you
have to look at, particularly if you're a Browns fan,
is the way they're doing it, because all you're trying
to get now is is wins if you're a Browns fan.
And the way they're playing offense, I think speaks to

(35:26):
where they're going because they're playing to Baker Mayfield strains
because Baker Mayfield is a rhythm player. He's a twitchy kid.
He's very quick with his drop, with his set, his delivery.
They're playing a rhythm game. He's a rhythm timing player,
and he does have the ability at times to get
outside the pocket. But they're designing an offense and a
pass game approach dog that plays to his strength so

(35:48):
the ball can come out. That's what you have to
be excited about. No one's looking at them right now
is a playoff or Super Bowl contender. They're just trying
to be efficient on offense. And they've also got a
good running back. That now adds to that. What about
the Baltimore Ravens. They've had new life with Lamar Jackson,
but also against equally future defenses. Give me your sense
of the sustainability of the style with Lamar Jackson. Well,

(36:13):
I think ultimately you'll have to throw it better and
they'll have to be more of a task game element
to it that that becomes a little more expansive. Right now,
there are tough offense though, to game plan Ford because
of Jackson's running ability. Um this week the Raiders, they
played a lot of too high safeties and you can't

(36:33):
really play that way when you have a running quarterback
because you lose the numbers count to defend the run game.
And then they had a lot of success the Ravens
did against the Raiders because of that. So I don't
know if it's overly sustainable, but the quarterback as a
runner can be part of your offense if you can
throw it. Well, yeah, no, no question about it. Great

(36:55):
Costell joining us Doug Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
The the the Chargers have not been up to snuff
against the elite teams in the NFL. Right, they got
they lost to the Broncos, the game which they gave away.
Outside of that, only other two losses against the two
good teams they played, Rams and Chiefs. Now they go
and take on the Steelers, who just gave away their

(37:16):
own game to the Broncos. Um, they probably don't have
Melvin Gordon this week. What what's your level of faith
without Gordon? They do have Eckler and Justin Jackson the rookie.
But the Chargers can go in and win on the
road in Pittsburgh. Um, you know again, I'm I've always
loved Philip Rivers. I think he's a terrific quarterback. Um.

(37:37):
I think their defense has to be a big factor
as they go forward. I think they have some good players,
but I think that ultimately they need to be a
complete team because I think that they can score with
their wide receivers who are big. Um. This is a
very interesting matchup for them because the Steeler defense, for
the most part, has played well over the last month
or so as they've sort of evolved into playing more

(37:58):
man coverage blitzing a little more. They now blitz more
than any team in the NFL, so they've sort of
gone back to the old Blitzburg days attacking, and I
think they'll do that because Rivers is essentially a pocket
quarterback and the old line for the Chargers has had
some issues in past protection. So I think you'll see
an aggressive Steelers defense that could cause some problems. Uh.

(38:20):
The Eagles fell behind nineteen three big drive before the
end of the half, though, and they went for two
and got it. Where are they in terms of being
where they need to be? It feels like that you
know that you made a trade to go get a
talented wide receiver and Golden Tate and they haven't found
a way to really allow him to be effective or
I don't know if it's him. When you watch the

(38:40):
Eagles offense, what do you see on tape? Well, you know,
it's funny. I watched that game on television. I heard
Chris Spielwan say something that's absolutely true. And I think
a lot of people are surprised by this because the
Eagles are defending champions. But he said that the Eagles
that their best vertical weapon is zach Ertz, and when
when you're tight end your best vertical weapon, you've got
some problems. And that's the issue. The Eagles don't have
a lot of talent on offense, Doug. They don't have

(39:01):
any vertical weapon, so they're lacking dimensions, and this week
they ran the football, which they're going to have to do. Uh.
Adams had twenty two carries Josh Adams now he gained
eighty four yards, not a big number, but they were
able to stay with the run game and it was
effective at points throughout the game. They just don't have
enough in the receiving department to really be a big

(39:22):
time threat, so they're going to have to be balanced, right.
Costell joining us in the Doug Gotlives show on Fox
Sports Radio. I know you watched that. You just said
you watched that game. Odell Beckham Jr. Was critical of
the play calling. Uh, number of plays I felt like
limited them. They actually, without questions, they also ran the
ball really well in the first half and didn't have
number of players to get the ball to say, Kwan Barkley,

(39:44):
when when you watched, what was your thoughts in the
play calling? Well, first of all, they only ran twenty
one plays in the second half. Five of the first
eleven plays Barkley touched the ball, so it's not a
case where they didn't give the ball to Barkley. They
got caught behind the sticks a lot, they didn't have
the ball, and then the games order started to get
away from them and they felt that they had a score. Um,

(40:04):
you know, keep one thing in mind. Barkley had a
long touchdown run and a twenty six yard run. Every
other run gained four yards or less. So that's kind
of his thing. Though, even if you go back to
Penn State, that was his thing, right, it was this thing. Yeah,
that's a great point. It changed a bit the week
prior against the Bucks where he really stuck it in
there and gained and had you know, seven eight nine
yard runs. But that's been his m O back at

(40:26):
Penn State. It's been his m O through the first
part of the NFL season. So I don't the tape
doesn't doesn't say that they didn't give the ball to Barkley.
But you gotta keep one thing in mind. If you're
not going to run that many plays, you can't have
it both ways. You can't say you have to give
it to Barkley and feed him and then in the
next sentence say well you should be throwing the ball
so you can throw it to Odell Beckham you know

(40:47):
it works. They didn't run enough plays in the second half. Um,
it does all have to work together, all right. You
have play calling with Mike McCarthy, you got quarterback play
with Aaron Rodgers, and you get too wide receivers outside
of Davante Adams ability to get open. Um. Who's most
to blame for their offensive inadequacies. Well, I'll answer it
this way. The way they run their past game, and

(41:08):
I'm sure this is what a lot of people point to,
is they tend to run a lot of individual routes,
so therefore they're asking their wide receivers to win one
on one. They've been doing that for a number of years. Um.
When you have great receivers, that can be really effective
because they win and you get completions. If you don't
have the receivering talent that you'd ultimately like to have,
oftentimes they don't get open early enough in the down

(41:29):
and Rogers won't turn out loose. Rodgers is a very
interesting quarterback to evaluate because he can obviously do some
phenomenal things outside of structure, and he's certainly a ridiculously
gifted thrower, but there's also sometimes he doesn't throw the
ball to open receivers within the structure. So it's it's
kind of a mix of of where you go with
this um, but their offense is very very inconsistent. Yeah,

(41:53):
it really, it's consistently inconsistent. Correct um. Okay, give me
your give me your sense again. After watching on tape
of the Vikings, there have been people that have been
critical of Kirk Cousins um and the Vikings came in
wanting to run the football. They didn't run at a time,
but they were effective enough. What's your thoughts and the
Vikings at this point in time. Well, I think people

(42:13):
are very critical of Kirk Cousins because of the money.
I think that people in the league know what he
is and Cousins is a rhythm passer the Vikings have
at his best, they don't ask him to do too much,
you know, they want the three step game, the five
step game. Ball come out now. He can be very
aggressive and that's a positive in his game that he
can be an aggressive thrower who will turn it loose.

(42:35):
He does have a sense of anticipation, but overall, Kirk
Cousins is not, from a talent standpoint, a high high
level quarterback. But people see him that way now because
they gave him a lot of money, But that's irrelevant
to a coach. So to me, they need to run
the ball more and better. Going into the game against
the Packers, they had the third fewest rushing attempts in

(42:57):
the league and Cousins was dropping back an awful lot
of time to me, too many times. So they need
to find a run game. Supposedly Dalvin Cook is healthy.
They tried to run in a little bit against the Packers.
They were not very successful. Uh, Deshaun Watson, that's sustainable.
He's still running a lot and he's not sliding. He's
been hurt twice. Like, I like him, and I like

(43:18):
some of their weapons, and like, look, Lamar Lamar uh
um Lamar No, not Lamar Jackson. Lamar miller is is
had an outstanding game as well, But I'm just when
I watch it again, He's a better thrower than Lamar Jackson,
is more developed than Lamar Jackson, but I still have
some of the same fears when when I watched him,
Am I crazy? No, He's gonna have to be careful.

(43:39):
But if you've noticed one thing in the last oh
four or five weeks, he has not thrown more than
I believe twenty five balls in any game. Because what
they've done is they've run the ball more. They've not
asked him to drop back as much, and it's been effective.
People probably are not aware that Lamar Miller is probably
on pace to rush for a thirteen hundred yards and
and if he can do that, that's pretty good good

(44:00):
because at this point is cook. They have a below
average offensive line. We know that and then very often
that's why Watson moves. But really good quarterbacks and he's
not there yet. He's not refined enough. But really good
quarterbacks can help an offensive line that's not real good.
Watson is is still developing as a refined pocket quarterback.

(44:21):
He's not at the point what he can help camouflage
and compensate for all line issues. So they need to
not have him drop back as much, which is what
they've been doing. Great stuff as always, Greg to Cell
NFL Films. We really appreciate you joining us. Greig, thanks
do I appreciate it.
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