Don't Call Me a Faker

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Bubba Wallace, I think seventh black race car black NASCAR
driver of all time, will join us. We'll ask him
about his journey and about about how he takes that
next step into victory lane came up oh so close
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of the Mavericks. So we'll dig into what Cuban knew,
when he knew it, and what he did about it
at the actual time, not what he's been doing about
it recently. All that upcoming. Let's start with the story
of the day, which is Kawhi Leonard may not play
the rest of the season. Here was great pop vises
shortly after our show like this, Actually, I turned off
our I pressed off on the button. My show ends

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at two fifty four local time. That's five fifty four
East Coast time. Turn it off, talked to the guys,
caught my breath, took a p um when, got a
sip of water because I felt a little dehydrated yesterday.
Maybe that's too much information. And I went on to
Twitter to see, all right, what's coming up tonight? Who's

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playing tonight. There's a couple of big college basketball games.
There's a couple of injured players. There was a weird
thing that happened eventually with the Providence in Seton Hall
where the court was unplayable. So they end up playing
today anyway. And I saw that Greg Popovich said this,
we don't have the next number of games left this season,

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and uh, he's still not ready to go, and just
by some chance he is. It's gonna be pretty late
into the season, and it's gonna be a tough decision.
Do uh you know how wait to bring somebody back.
So that's why I'm just trying to be honest and logical.
I'll be surprised if he gets back this year. I'll

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be surprised if he gets back this year. Now, I've
I've heard people say like, look, that was to an
audience of one, that was to Kauaid Leonard, that was
motivating him to play. Kauai came back and played seven games.
Then during the All Star break, he went to New
York to get special treatment. He still doesn't feel right,
He's still not ready to go. What are the things

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you never want to be called. No one wants to
be called lazy. No one wants to be called a flopper.
No one wants to be called a cheat, right, and
no one wants to be called a liar. And in sports,
you don't want to be called a faker. Who wants

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to be called a faker? Because that's essentially how Kawai
Leonard believes he's being labeled, Like look, dude, I'm hurt.
I don't feel right, and if I'm not right, then
I run the risk of greater injury. And the Spurs
are saying, hey, you're clear to play. Our doctors are
saying you're good. There's a lot of different things we

(04:53):
can get into. Remember, the Boston Celtics doctors stuck Isaiah
Thomas back out there. He played with a debilitating hip injury,
which ended up being so painful he couldn't play in
the Eastern Conference Finals, and that move has cost him
a hundred million dollars, not just sitting, but the hip
injury and how his body has responded since. A hundred

(05:16):
million dollars spread between what he may have signed for
had he been a free agent last year and he
wasn't gonna be a free agent last year, but and
what he'll sign for this upcoming off season. Some of
that is timing, some of that is the teams he's
playing on, the reality and how he handled the whole
situation in Cleveland. I'm not saying that the Celtics doctors

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are solely responsible, but there is at least a portion
of responsibility which falls at the feet of the Boston
Celtics doctors. Two of them, I believe, were relieved of
their duties no longer tied to the team. So there
is precedents for doctors saying you're good, God damn play,

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you're fine. It's all in your head and the players
saying like, I don't think it's all good good, I
don't think I'm fine. I don't think I'm ready to go.
Some of this feels like huff and bluster from Gregg Popovitch.
Some of it may actually be Papovitch trying to take
the pressure off and just go like, look, if he's

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back in time for the playoffs, that's great, but we
can't go. It's like the Derrick Rose thing. Remember Derrick
Rose with the Bulls one year. We can't go from
not playing in the regular season all of a sudden
playing you in the playoffs. Forget about whether that screws
us up. That's zero to a hundred. That's really really hard.
We are in February, we still have March, we still

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have half of April. My guess is that Kauai ends
up returning it and playing and we'll see what he's got.
But while while there are other parts to it which
are interesting, Kauai fairly nonverbal guy with a co who
uh though he controls the media. Though he can be

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tersed with the media, he will be at least what
we think is upfront with the media. It's not like
San Antonio has hasn't dealt with a non verbal guy
before they had Tim Duncan. He did switch from a regular,
legitimate agent to doing his own thing, having his uncle

(07:24):
run all of his affairs. That feels like a weird deal.
A southern California kid and the Lakers. Maybe he didn't
openly opine, but have thought about how can we get
Kawhi Leonard here? As He's a burgeoning superstar, a to
a player, a versatile player at that and a guy
who could be a free agent at the end of
next season. So there are reasons to scratch your head

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and go like, hey, maybe Kauai wants out, Maybe he's
he doesn't, maybe he doesn't think ultimately he wants to
finish his career in San Antonio. And this next contract,
the two plus million dollar extension which is going to
be offered to him this offseason, that might he might
want it. He just might not want it in Santonio, Texas.

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But what happens when you call somebody a liar? What
happens when you call somebody a cheater? What happens when
you call somebody a phony? What happens when you call somebody,
in this case a faker. All the reactions are the same.
They get really mad, they get really defensive, and they
try to prove you wrong. My guess is that in

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addition to not cajoling him, not comforting him, not empowering
him in the rehab process by leaking it to the media,
or just saying to the media a straight up, we
don't think he's hurt. You've called him a liar, a cheater,
worse than that, a faker. And Kawai Leonards reaction is

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I'll show you. I'm want to spend extra time, be
extra careful, take care of me, because no one who
cares about me would ever talk to me or treat
me that way. All right, I mean, look, some of
this is it says a lot about modern science. We
just think that, you know, you just patch guys up.
It's the it's the Remember when Adrian Peterson tore his

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a c L and he was back and now he's
back the next year and he's m v P and
and comeback player. Do you remember that? And we expected
that to be every single player, heck, even on his
own team. Tony Parker had a similar, if not the
same injury, and Tony Parker's back granted, Tony Parker is
now a bench player, no longer a starter, but some
of that's more more age than anything else. But but

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the simple and interesting side note to this is we
all just think that modern science is guy gets hurt,
he's out, he comes back, he's healthy, is better than
ever and still a humbody. Everyone's built differently. Every injury
is in fact different. I don't I don't like there's
guys on Twitter who are doctors who watched and you're like, oh,

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here's what it was. Sometimes they can, but sometimes they
can miss. I'm not excusing Kawai Leonard from participation, not
writing him a doctor's note, but if you don't feel right,
you're not gonna be you. And if you're not you,
we can't have you out there. And that's all the

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Spurs should have said from day one. NASCAR driver Bubba
Wallace joins the show next, first African American driving to
finish second at Daytona. I'll ask him how that felt
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Sports Radio, m M. I understand what the Gwaide Leonard

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things that there's the hurt or injured. Right, if your hurt,
get back out there. If you're injured, you go to
the training room. But uh, look when if you don't
feel right, if you pulled muscles, So honestly, I've never
torn anything knock wood. Pulled muscles are really hard because

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you feel fine, you feel fine, you feel fine, then
all of a sudden you go and you turn to
sprint and if you had pulled a hamstring, it feels
like somebody shot you in the back of the leg. Uh.
And then once you return, you you lack confidence because
you think any moment he could go again. And sometimes

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it does go again, and that's when it's even worse.
That's gonna seem worse. But I look at it and
it doesn't mean that Kauai has done everything right in
terms of how he rehabbed his level of buye into
what the spurs are saying, or you know, having his

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uncle run things, and does he have the wrong people
in his ear? Like yeah, but I tend to believe
that Kawhi Leonard just doesn't feel right, and you get
a little jaded by what happened to Isaiah Thomas. You
get a little jaded by the fact that they stuck
you out there and when you and when offered up
a second opinion, you did, in fact get a different opinion. Yes,

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Ryan Music, How closely are other teams watching this situation
with Kawhi Leonard Number one in hopes that that means
he's ready to leave San Antonio. But if is ready
to leave, if they're worried he will have a jaded
sense of player versus organization type relationship going forward. Mhm um.

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I think those are risks that you have to take.
I think you have to you know, I I said
this when I was on the herd. Was his last
week or the week before, but my weeks to running
into each other. So I apologize if I forget exactly
what day I was on hosting for Colin. I think
it was two weeks ago where I said, look, this
may be basketball, but it's still the people business. Now,

(14:38):
all those businesses and sports, you're in the people business.
No half of people have asked me before, like why
do you think you could coach right away when you
haven't coached visual one basketball like, look, I think if
you watched pretty good basketball acumen, and two I would

(14:59):
hire people around me that knew the things I didn't know.
But more than anything, um and the people business basketbast
the people's business. Greg popted in the people business. Now
he's trying to He's trying. He he absolutely knows the
psychological profile of Kawai Leonard and mentioning that he can't

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come back late in the year and play in the
playoffs is hanging that carrot in front of the donkey
and hoping that he follows it. But this is this
is all about the people business. When he got hurt,
how did you handle it? When he first asked for
a second opinion, how did you handle it? It doesn't

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mean that san Antonio shouldn't believe in their doctors or
their doctors doctors. But if I'm san Antonio and my
prize possession, the guy who most people in the NBA
feel like it feels like is the third best player
in the NBA behind le Bron and k D, an
incredible two way player is injured, the first thing I

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do is, hey, all hands on deck. Let's go and
find the absolute who is the absolute best in the
country at dealing with this injury. Now. Look, I also
don't fault san Antonio for being a little bit lost
with this thing, you know, a little bit lost with
this thing. Tim Duncan was not a guy who got hurt. Um. Yes,

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Tony Parker had the same injury at a different point
in his career, but you look at their all time
grades and they're not guys that have had this very injury.
And maybe they've always taken their doctor's word for it
and have been the better because of it. But I
think with this player, you have to know, all right,

(16:53):
this is a little different now because you got the
uncle involved. Is this an adversarial relationship with the uncle?
And so when he tells the uncle, hey man, they're
not letting me go to New York to get a
second opinion, the uncle hits it's the roof and says,
you can't trust these doctors. They all want to be
the guy who gets you right, and they're not. They're
not concerned about you. They're concerned about the idea that

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they're the ones who rehabbed you because they can put
that up on their Wall. I think a lot of
this is being in the people business, understanding each player
is different, how each player takes information is different, how
each player handles uh criticism, handles taking no for an answer.

(17:36):
I'm like, I'll say this the Qui Leonard is a
tough kid, and he played center growing up at MLK
High School and Riverside. Then goes to San Diego State
and after two years he leaves hadn't really played in
the perimeter. I mean, you have to have a level
of toughness in order to compete at a higher level
than every anybody thought would imagine and to continue getting better.

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That's a work ethic, that's a toughness, And of course
we've seen him show that toughness during his time in
the NBA. So when guys have only been told they're
tough and they've un overachieved, when suddenly you say, hey,
are you are you? Are you hurt or you injured?
Can you play through this? Are you just remember the
story going back before he came back the first time,

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which is it's all in his head. You tell somebody
who's injured where it hurts, and they're not used to
it hurting. It's all in your head. You're calling them
a faker. You're saying they're making it up. And whether
or not that's how they really felt, that is not
what should have been said. Alright, something historic happened in

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the Daytona five, but was wasn't as historic as I
think he wanted it to be. But lucky his first
African American driver to finished second. Still you want to win,
Bubba Wallace joins us on the Doug Gottlip Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. First African American driver to finish
SECD at the daytone of five hundred, Bubba, how are you?
I'm good? How are you? Sir? Good man? Um? If

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you could go back and change one thing about the race,
and like, look, I know it's a long afternoon. Those
of us who watched on Fox, like we're said, we
get tired watching at home. I can't imagine racing the
entire time at home. You could do one thing differently,
what would you think? I think you know the answer
to that. When the race? Yeah, but but what what

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was there one thing you could have done earlier in
the race, late in the race obviously it said it
goes over time. What what there's one thing you could
do differently. What would it be? Um? You know, we
all got kind of spread out there at the end,
so it's kind of hard to do. But uh, there
was a lot of moves and I think I missed
out on but then they would have a wreck would
happen a half lap later, so it was like, Okay,

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I missed out on that move for a good reason.
So I don't know. I wouldn't change anything. Maybe if
we just got formed up a little bit better at
the end, we would have had a shot at winning.
But all in all, second is a great day. Are
you a Are you a mental note guy? Are you
a journal I know obviously anybody who's watched the Facebook
Facebook a docuseries Behind the Wall, Behind the Wall of
Bubba Wallace, which chronicled your road to the Daytona five. Um.

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But but when you get done with the race, and
like everybody learns things from experiences, do those experiences go
upstairs or do you actually write them down? Oh? They
go upstairs for sure, And and uh, actually I do
have their journal. I'm a little bit of both. Well,
don't get me wrong, I'll jot everything down as well.
But the mental notes you've gotta remember for for when
you go back there, um of what to expect and

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how we tackle that weekend. Bubba Wallace joining us for
people who who don't know the story. You became the
first graduate of the NASCAR Drive for Diversity Development Program
to compete in a NASCAR Nationwide Series race. And since then,
of course you won what six times the Camping World
Truck Series. Um to go from that to nearly winning

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at Daytona and I obviously you want to win the race,
but this entire experience, how how would you how would
you relate it to any average fan who's driving around?
Listen to you right now? What's it been like? It's
been Uh, it's been exciting, It's been a little bit exhausting. Um,
it's uh, it's been just a lot of fun just
to be able to document what's all been going on

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for the last you know, a month and a half
leading up three months ago and when we started the
Facebook watch show. Uh, looking back, where I was at
last year was without a ride, and now we're we're
driving that kind of number forty three, So pretty special
moment for sure. We've we've seen you with number forty three.
Of course, Richard Petty's car. He came embraced you before
the race. There's been some great press conferences between the

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two of you. What are the private moments, Like, what's
he really like to you? Oh, he's he's a he's
a great mentor, a great leader and just an all
around awesome guy. For for as old as he is, Uh,
you wouldn't think he's that old. I mean eighty two
years old and still is witty, still has that that
fun natured bone in his body. Um, just always cracking jokes,

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making sure everyone is doing their job, and just an
awesome guy to be around. Is he gonna give you
one of his hats? I got one? Actually, I got
one last year. He gave it to me as a
token for uh, for driving their car, and that was
pretty special. But is it your hat size or his
hat size? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. So you've

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never actually worn the hat you just got that? You're like, oh,
I got the King's hat. But oh yeah, we we
gave me a last display as well, so it's it's
put up nice house. Now do you call him King?
Do you call him Richard? You call Mr? Petty? What
do you call him? I call him? All the above?
It's never consistent. Bubba Wallace, Mr King Richard Petty sir,

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uh guy who also obviously was in cars as well. Okay,
so help me out with this. You you haven't run from.
You have embraced the idea of being African American driver,
black driver, and you said you're gonna hear more. You're
gonna hear more about it. How do you? How do
you handle it? How do you when when when people
in deduce you and they always want to put the

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African American driver. Now you're the you. You finished, You
had the best finished in the history of the race
for an African American driver at Daytona. Like, is there
a point to which you just want to be known
as Bubba Wallas or do you want to continue carrying
this badge of honor along with you? Yeah? I mean
there's some point. Well, at some point it's gonna change, um,
but right now there's there's just me. I'm the only

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one the top levels. So I'm trying to represent that
that uh, that you a vantage point the best way
I can and and uh and doing the best I
can on and off the racetrack is only gonna help
that number grow. So as long as I do that,
then we'll see how long it takes for for that
that conversation, uh to change to being the race car
driver now instead of the black racecar driver. All right,

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So here's what I really wanted to know them. I
took my son to K one Speed, which is like
a go kart place. Yeah, those things are dope, and
I want to like the adult ones are awesome, but
I I took him in a couple of buddies. We
go all the time. He loves the place. So when
did you first start driving? When did you first start
driving anything fast? When I was nine years old driving
go carts? Uh, asphalt go carts. So the ones you

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are that are different from from K one Speed but
still give you a little bit of feeling for And
then when did you like I want to do Because
every kid says I want to do that, but they
also say I want to be a fireman, I want
to be a policeman, I want to be this, I
want to be that. My son wants to be a
professional baseball player, that he wants to be a driver.
When when were you I really want to do this.
I don't know if I ever really was to be honest,

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with you, Doug. Um, I just kept doing it and
kept doing it, and then moving up throughout the ranks,
winning those races, moving up to the next one, winning
those races as well, and and he just seemed like
the right thing to do. I never I don't think
I once said that this is what I want to
do for sure. I mean, obviously that's what I want
to do now. Um, that's all I know how to do.
I mean, fifteen years in this in the racing one
of the motor sports world, I can't only turn back now.

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And I think it was two thousand ten where I
act said those exact words myself. So there's way too
many tears and blood, sweat and and and first throwing
into my program. There's no no way I can turn
back now and throw it all away. So let's just
keep digging. How do you process the fear? Right? That's
the This was the the anniversary obviously of uh twentieth

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anniversary of Dale and Hard Jr. Winning seventeenth anniversary of
his death. Um, you guys are at dangerous speeds. We've
seen so many uh so many of the veterans retired
and I know they were retiring because they can make
money owning teams. They can make money as commentators, but
one reason they retire is now they have kids and
they're like, look, it's a lot safer to watch and
to be an owner than is to to race. How

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do you How do you make that fear of what
could possibly happen go away while you're behind the wheel. Yeah,
I mean you got you have no fear. That's that's
how you manage it. Just have no fear at all.
You just go out and do do what you do. Um.
You know, if we had fear, you would see uh,
you wouldn't see me I was out there driving to day,
especially with the speeds that we're at right now. We

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go out and do it because we love it and
we we know the factor in the risk that are
that are are with that, there's a lot of a
lot of risks that come with driving. But we uh,
we love the thrill of winning. We love the thrill
of driving and going through in a mile an hour,
and and and being competitive and and and beating our
other competitors by thousands of an inch. We we thrive

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off that and fear. Fear does not settle in anywhere
with us. All right, So now that you have a ride,
you've you've done that, You've done the Daytona nearly wanted.
What's the track you're most looking forward to? Um, Martin's
Villain Dover. Those two places really stand out to me
just because we've had so much, so much success there
in the truck days. Um, you know, Martin Zill went

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in two clocks Dover. We've had too much success in
every car Off climbed in there. So I'm excited about that. Um.
So it's coming up on the schedule soon. How different
is that are the trucks from the NASCAR series, like
in in terms of like the actual driving of it.
What's the biggest difference? The speed for sure, and speeding
the way these things handle. Um, you know, trucks will

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get up to one eight and then cuff cars will
get up to uh to to ten to twenty and
so you feel that, you feel the difference in those speeds. Um,
and when you're going that fast, it's a lot harder
to hang on too. You got beef, don't you? I mean,
like I'm I'm reading, we're drivers, you have you have
beef with dudes already? No? No, no, they got beef

(27:19):
with with me? Totally different. Why what did you do? What, Bubba?
What could you have possibly done this early in the
season where guys already have beef with you? Man? You know,
I just show up and I'm changing up the game.
I'm I'm beating him. That's what it is. Do you
think it's jealousy. No, I don't think it's jealousy at all.
It's just we're competitive and we want to beat each

(27:40):
other fair enough, fair enough. I mean Austin Dillon, he
runs a dude straight off the track and they're like
hugging afterwards. Yeah, but you just you just you just
ruined somebody's chance and win the day total five hunderd
they hug afterwards. All you've done is, you know, finished
second and guys have beef with you, Bubba? How is
that possible? That's uh, That's what NASCAR is all about.

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That's what racing and motorsports is all about, my friend.
It's it's that competitive edge that gets the best of us.
You're also a gamer. Favorite go to video game is
what pub G? What's hub G? I don't honestly don't
I want to tell us what pub G is. It's
short for a player unknown Battlegrounds right now. So the
computer game that's out that I've been playing for the

(28:22):
last three months. Every day awesome. You get no sleep
because this is what you do at night with the
headset on, don't you? Basically yes, sir? All right, um,
give me the show that give me the show that
you most recently binged. Um. I wouldn't say Ben's, but
we we keep up with This is Us? So I
love that show. How did This Is Us? Is like

(28:43):
a sensitive show that's like a married I have three kids,
that's like, that's me and my wife's show. How is
that your show? Did you see the post race interview
of mine after day? How emotional I was? It looks
like I got done watch an episode of This is
a fair enough? Bob A great to catch up. We'll
talk you next time because next time you're gonna be
in Checkers. Obviously we know either Martinsville or Dover, but

(29:03):
hopefully sometime in between as well. Thanks so much for
joining us. All right, that's Bubba Wallace joining us on
the Doug Gottlip Show. Now you want now, I'm like,
now I want to see him race. I watched and
I was like, dude, I'm in. I'm in totally in
Bubba Wallace uh twenty five years old and finished the

(29:27):
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(29:48):
get to Dan Buyer. He's back, he's refreshed, he's better
than ever. Find out what else is going on the
world sports gonna be back, Doug. Good week for Bubba's
Bubba Watson winning over the weekend at Riviera Bubba Wallace,
you just ock to having a great weekend at daytona well.
Good week for Tiger as well, after missing the cut
last week of Riviera tiger Woods. Today and even par

(30:09):
round of seventy in the first round of the Honda
Class was very positive today even parts score it's um
usually was my best balls striking day and I was
very pleased. I made a lot of the short plus
today three birdies, one bogie, one double bogey puts Tiger
four back of the lead held by Alex Norn, who
is at four under par. Some news from the NFL
the Colts of side Kicker out of minetary to a

(30:30):
one year deal. He's entering against twenty third season in
the league, expected to make about three and a half
million dollars next season, while the NFL Network says the
scenes of quarterback Drew Brees are discussing a short term
deal that would pay Breeze anywhere from twenty to twenty
five million dollars annually. The United States men's curling team
gonna play for the gold medal Saturday against Sweden after
downing Canada in the Semis five to three. And how
about this doug from former FIFA president set Bladder, who

(30:53):
was banned for that ladders around banned for corruption inteen,
saying if he had to put here's efforts behind one
bid for World Cup, it would be Morocco's bid to
host the World Cup and not the joint bid of
the United States, Mexico and Canada. Maybe still some sour grapes.
Who knows, but seth Ladder thinks the World Cup should

(31:14):
go to Morocco instead of to the States. Morocco, stop it. Yeah,
I don't even think that really had a chance. I
think this is a no brainer. By the way, Like
I just I want to point out this is it
might be unfair, but I I there is that there's
there is something interesting there, right, Okay, people talk about

(31:34):
this all the time. Um, ESPN used to have the
World Cup. Remember they used to have the world They
had the World Cup. Then they lose the World Cup
to Fox and then ESPN does uh an investigation of
the World Cup and how they get bids and FIFA
and the corruption within right that that did does happen.

(31:55):
They've done the same thing with the Olympics. When they
don't have the Olympics, they lose, they lose a good
portion of the rights to the big tent. And they
do this. They do a story on Michigan State and
their mishandling of Title nine. This I know the Larry
Naser stuff was part of it, but they kind of
mushed the two together, which I thought was at least part.

(32:17):
I thought that was disingenuous. I didn't think that was
being fair to the Michigan State anyway. Hardly enough, the
Mavericks investigation by ESPN, that was for s I that was,
you know, the Mavericks dealing just being like, oh, we've
got the NBA package. It's just it is interesting what

(32:41):
you're allowed to what you're allowed to be. Hey, I
got a story, now, could it just be they happen
to get tips on these stories, like yeah, okay, it
could be. Could be. Um, And it's a really hard thing.
Having worked up there, it's a very difficult thing because
there are people that are specifically hired to do do journalism,
do investigative reporting, and yet there's the wait a second,

(33:04):
we own the rights to this, so um, it's a
very hard win. Dan's great, great to have you back.
It feels like foreverything it actually has been. And I
think the last time we were together was in Minneapolis.
Was in Minneapolis because in Minneapolis and those were not pillows.
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We got some football for you. And I have a

(33:46):
thought for you on the Denver Broncos, whom everybody assumes
is gonna sign Kirk Cousins. We'll get to all that
upcoming next, but first, on Friday, March second, Bruce Willis
stars in Eli Ross reimagination of the original action film
Death Wish. After a devastating home invasion, a family man
morphs into a badass revenge machine when the system fails,

(34:08):
so he decides to take matters into his own hands
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how far he'll go to protect his family. Bruce Willis
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Doug gotli Show, Fox Sports Radio. M m m m
m m m. Ramos still sick, so he's still out.
I just, I just, I'm just gonna I'm gonna make
a decision right now. I'm taking tomorrow off. Just be
everybody else is taking time off. You know, our boss

(35:22):
goes to like have goes like a wine tasting binge
or whatever. I think he went to Napa. You went
to Mexico, right, didn't you go to Mexico music? I
didn't go to Mexico, but I was unaware that our
boss took a little trip through Napa. I believe that's
where he went. I don't know. I might be selling
him out for something he didn't do. I remember him
saying something about him going somewhere. I thought he said Nappa,

(35:43):
But I don't know anyway. Uh, and then you know,
dam Buyer has been gone for like a month. No
idea Buyer comes back. He speaks three languages, he's lost
twenty pounds, he's incredible shape. He looks like he's getting
ready for the combine. I mean, the great damn. This
is amazing. And here I look, Ramos is sick right like, look,

(36:04):
maybe maybe we'll have to stay with Ramos's Hey, John, listen,
the playoffs are gonna begin soon right middle of April,
and I can't have you know, you know, listen, Joel's
here every day. Joel. Joel never takes a day off. Ever,
ever takes a day. I see Joel every day. I
walk in the studio. I see Joel. I don't see Ramos.
Here's the deal. We we're taking shifts. Okay, So I

(36:27):
took some time off last week, Ramos had to babysit you.
I come back now. Ramos gets his time away. Dan
had his time away. I mean we can't just all
leave you by yourself. I mean, Lord knows what the
heck could happen. So we're all just sort of rotating
around while you just continue to, you know, do your
Doug Gottlieb thing. Got it understood, completely understood. All right,

(36:51):
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By the way, the Boss and I missed each other
on the Golden Gate Bridge by about three hours, so
I was up in the San Francisco Bay area for

(37:34):
a couple of days. So yeah, so just missed each other.
Let's see if we can hits a guest who today
at game time? Five guests who scenarios dug and we
start out with guests who says he wants to be
with his current franchise and wants to be with his
current franchise through one and then make a decision on

(37:54):
his NBA future. Guess who that would be a little
Anthony did, Yes, it is. He probably gets forward, making
the confidence today easy to say, you know, when we're
like three years away, but three years still could be
kind of close. Anthony Davis. By the way, Doug, it's
not really his choice to leave between now, correct, I mean,

(38:18):
but I think that's I think that's what he's saying though,
And he's trying to remember DeMarcus Cousins uh is potentially
up here coming up, you know, does DeMarcus Cousins want
to come back? And look, I want to stay till
one at least. So everyone else is saying like, hey man,
you guys aren't winning. What are you doing. You're getting
the prime of your career. He's like, I want to stay.
I Actually I understand why. He's not saying it for himself.

(38:40):
He's saying it for the team. He's staying for DeMarcus.
He's saying for other players to come play with it.
Guess what league Doug wants to have a mini planned
tournament which would determine the final spots of their playoff field. Yes,
it is the NBA. A bunch of different scenarios coming out,
But one could be where the seventh through the tenth

(39:01):
team in each conference, what have a playoff where seven
would take on eight. The winner would get the seventh
spot of that game, and then non intent would play
and the winner of that one would face the loser
of that seven eight matchup. So you could have like
three playoff games to get into the NBA playoffs. Yeah,
this is just about This is about a couple of things. One,
it's like stealing from Major League Baseball, right, Uh, just

(39:25):
you know, more games where you you tire out the
bottom seeds you rest the top seeds and you end
up making more money off it. But what are the
other eighty two games for? What are the other eighty
two games for? Are they to decide who gets in
the plaoffs? I get like we need more games. I
don't understand. I understand it's about making money and about
keeping those don playoff teams interested in some level, But yeah,

(39:49):
I don't know. I mean, we have eighty two games
determine who the best eight in each conferences. Yeah, and
I don't think anybody is saying, man, if only Orlando
had been in the playoffs and that they weren't upset
in that playing game and nobody's trying for that. Guests
who Doug already won a college basketball game today set Home. Yeah,

(40:11):
they defeated Providence seventy seven after the game was postponed
yesterday with thirteen minutes left because of moisture on the
floor of the Dunkin Donut Center. Had to play at
a different facility on the Providence campus, but at Seton Hall.
Who leaves a victor. Yeah, it was really it was
super warm in in New England yesterday. It was like
seventy three degrees and so the ice underneath the floor

(40:33):
melted and we used just people. Yeah, this is how
you know you're old, right, Dan? Remember when this happened
at the Boston Garden. He used to have problems to
consensation during the NBA playoffs because the old garden you know,
didn't didn't hold the ice hall that well when it
was super warm outside. We've seen this. Guess who Doug
will report to the Yankees spring training on Monday. Russell

(40:54):
Wilson four for four as the quarterback, will show up.
Won't play in any games, but could be hanging out
with the team for as many as six days according
to reports. Did he bring that magic water with him?
They need that magic water and Babe Ruth would not
let him wear number three, so he has to wear
seventy three. Um. Finally, Doug, Guess who Bavada has listed
as a six to one favorite to play in a

(41:16):
Major League Baseball game in either or nineteen. Tim Tebow? Yes,
five for five is Bravada listening odds? Yeah, not only
for this upcoming season, but next season as well. Of
Tebow breaking through to the majors. The big story is
I had a great night's sleep last night, and that's
why I'm all over today's show, and that's the game.

(41:41):
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(42:23):
visit your local Hana do or today? I did. I
just want to make sure I'm so good. I'm repeating
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he ends up, people forget this one thing about Lebron,
I'll explain. I'll coming next. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. What up? It's the Dug Gotliep Show,

(42:45):
Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having an absolutely spectacular
Thursday as uh we are. We are plowing our way
into March. I got a couple of college hoops picks
for you tonight. I'm calling a college basketball game on
Fox Sports One. You can check out uh follow me
on Twitter, download the podcast. Bubba Wallace was our guest

(43:05):
last hour. I'm in, I'm now, I'm gonna go get
my up. We're gonna get my Bubba Wallas forty three
T shirt when I get next chance to get into
a NASCAR store. In the meantime, John worth Time, one
of the co authors of that piece taken down the
front office of the Dallas Mavericks, will be our guest
in fifteen minutes. So what did Cuban know, When did
he know, and what did he do about it? That's

(43:26):
really kind of what this thing comes down to, and
maybe what can the NBA do about it? Now? We'll
talk with John worth Time in fifteen minutes. Um, there's
been a lot of discussions about changing the NBA's playoff format.
Remember last year, the Warriors and Calves played a combined

(43:48):
twenty five games out of a possible low of twenty
four games. That's right. The Warriors. They only lost one
game during the entire playoffs. They played twenty nine games.
Why nine, I'm exciving, not twenty night. They played UH

(44:09):
seventeen games total out of a possible six team would
be the lowest. That is faux faue, faux five if
you're Moses Malone scoring at home. And because they were
not competitive last year, and because we're always looking to
evolve and get the next thing, and like look college basketball,

(44:31):
they got the first four now, which is an expanded
playoff format. Baseball, they welcomed into UH an additional wild
card team and have a wild card playing game. This
started a couple of years ago. They've evolved. Football has
not yet, but they're talking about it. A matter of fact,
I told the guys I got caught in a conversation.

(44:53):
You guys remember, um, well, I guess we only had
one dinner together right in Minneapolis. You guys remember why
that I was. I was running late to the dinner?
Yes I do. Okay, do you remember who I said
I ran into it before the dinner Demorris Smith. Yes,
and Demorris Smith we started talking about UH. That was

(45:15):
the day in which right towards the end of the show.
Thursday Night Football on Fox had been announced. So I
got into this really interesting discussion with Demos Smith and
I'm like looking at my watch because I know you
guys are waiting on me. We had like a i'm
gonna say, like a seven o'clock reservation and I was
and it was like already seven oh five, and it

(45:36):
was it was six o'clock and you showed up around
seven o'clock. No, no, no, we were there at I
was there at six forty. I believe it was the
on time. I walked in at the six thirty five.
I walked in the door seven o'clock than the six
o'clock reservation. But go ahead, fair fair um. But anyway,
it was actually a really interesting conversation. So here's not
the conversation when I said, I guess there's any football

(45:59):
is not going away, and so he's like, he's like, no,
that that's open for discussions, Like, dude, they just sign
a five year deal. And he's like, you know, the
conversation that we want to be having is expanding the playoffs,
but contracting the regular season. And I was like, dude,
you're never gonna get to contract the regular season because

(46:19):
all those other teams need home dates and TV, you know,
needs the inventory. And so he started to kind of
go into the entire thought process process and like, trust me,
this is going to come out that Demore Smith is
open to expand the NFL wants to expand the playoffs
one game, and Demorris Smith is like, all right, we'll
expand the playoffs if we contract the preseason and maybe
contract a regular season game. And I'm like, I don't

(46:41):
see that happening. This is a this is probably a
twenty minute back and forth where he's giving me a
dissertation on this thing. Very interesting, but the thought is
that everybody kind of wants to evolve and change and
don't just do the same things because that's the way
you've always done it. So, um, I'm blaming myself because
I was late to the dinner, but I'm also blaming
Demorris Smith, but also blaming interesting conversation because the West

(47:06):
is seen to be so much better now and has
been so much better for a good number of years.
There's a conversation about the East West co mingo in
the playoffs and getting ready for the NBA Finals. Do
that I don't know um and Lebron James had this
to say about the possibility of changing the NBA's playoff format.

(47:29):
The school to mess aroun would all star game. You
know that we can, but let's let's not. Let's not
get so crazy about the about the playoffs. And then
we have Eastern Conference, you have Western Conference, and you
know you have these certain conference champions. You have guys
that win the championship from Eastern Conference, who was the
big dance and then sometimes you have it from the
Western fe No. I tend to agree with him. He

(47:53):
also is a Lebron is also a student of the game.
He knows the history of the game, and he understands
that one of unique things about the history of the
NBA is you have had these East West rivalries. Warriors
calves for is good for basketball. The ratings would tell
you as such, the Lakers versus the Celtics. If you
went to the Lakers, the Celtics will be around. That

(48:14):
would be incredible to do an incredible number. Plus, you
want to keep East Coast fans engaged. You don't want
to be One of the reasons college football's ratings are
down is because it's seen as the Southeastern sport. If
I'm on the West coast, I'm not really in on
the Clemson in the Alabama things. Sorry, if you're in

(48:35):
the Midwest, the Ohio States eliminated, I'm I'm not really
in on it. East Coast Northeast has always struggle to
getting in on college football. You don't want to be
seen as a regional sport. Think about when baseball had
the Mets versus the Yankees. New York went crazy for it.
The rest of us didn't care. Ratings plummeted. But I

(48:59):
think that some people believe this is a legacy protector
for Lebron. The Lebron's protecting his legacy that if he
stays in the East, he can keep getting to the
finals he's gotten the last seven years. And maybe this
is Lebron telling us he's not going to l a
because he wants to keep that that legacy alive of
going to the finals and playing in the least with

(49:20):
the weaker Eastern Conference where they can beat up on
the Raptors and and he can still own the Celtics,
and the Nicks offer no sort of resistance, and the Wizards,
who they play tonight, they're they're not really ready for
prime time. Right, this is what that's what. This is
what Lebron is doing. I think we're looking at Lebron
all wrong. Lebron James does not think like a normal

(49:44):
human being. Normal human beings think, well, if I stay
in the East, I want an easier road to the
finals because I've been the seventh straight NBA finals. I
get to eighth straight this year, I get to nine,
I can get to ten. I can put up records
just then getting the finals that no one has ever,
no one will ever will ever be able to surpass.

(50:05):
That's how normal human beings think. Lebron doesn't think that way.
Lebron James thinks he's going to win everywhere anywhere he
goes or even if he stays. Do you know why
Lebron thinks that way, Because Lebron James has one everywhere
he's gone, no matter where he's been, seven consecutive times.

(50:29):
I said this about Isaiah Thomas. People, well, Isaiah Thomas
needs to understand that he's only five ft eight and
so he's probably better coming off the bench thinking he's
gonna be a start. Like that's a normal conversation where
you're when you talk with kids, right, It's like if
you if you're you're short, you're five eight, five nine,
your wife is five to Your kid does not have

(50:50):
big hands, his small feet and he loves Basketball's like, man,
I love basket. We talk the doctor doctors like you'll
be lucky to get to five some of it. Now,
you can push him towards basketball. I mean, Muggsy Bogues
made it, spud Web made it. They may he may
your kid maybe as athletically talented. And then you look

(51:10):
at your kids kind of a little pudgy, more genetically
pudgy than anything else. Like you can push your kid
to basket. Well, none, nothing wrong with it. Love basketball,
embraced the stats, and and play it for as much
as you can play it. Do you have the conversation
with him about, hey dude, you're not you might not
make the NBA your college basketball. You might just have
as much fun as you can when you're a little kid. Right,

(51:34):
but Lebron is broken down all of these barriers previously.
He doesn't have Isaiah. Isaiah's five ft eight, five ft
nine and the average twenty nine game last year in
the NBA, So you can tell him, hey, dude, you're
not going to be an NBA All Star again. You're
not gonna start in the NBA like what happened last
year was a perfect store, the perfect team, the perfect coach,
the perfect time, and you were playing with supreme self

(51:57):
confidence and you had a hip injury. You don't know.
You're not the perfect team. You don't have a team
that's designed built around you scoring and them playing defense.
Like that was just one staff shot in time. That's
not what's gonna happen every year. You can have that conversation.
But Isaiah Thomas was the last pick of the NBA draft.
He is five ft five ft nine, and yet he's average.

(52:17):
You can't have a normal conversation with him because he
doesn't think like a normal human being, because he's overachieved
anybody's possible um evaluation of what his potential is. So
so saying that Lebron only once East West because he's
in the East to make a consect, Lebron didn't care.

(52:41):
Do you think Lebron doesn't think? Wait if I go
to the Lakers and I got Paul George, who's a
better player than anybody has with him right now at
the Calves, and I got all those young guys who
will be two three, four years in the NBA. I
can't imagine immediately turned down around like no way he
turned Miami around. Look at the record here before he
got there. Look what he did with the UH with

(53:05):
the Cleveland Cavaliers. But the first and the second time,
you can tell me that Lebron's thoughts that he can
win anywhere he goes aren't reasonable. But he's exceeded anybody's
reasonable expectations period period. I mean, take a guess. Take

(53:29):
a guess, Ryan Music, Um, take a guess where you
think the Miami Heat finished? What with the Miami Heats
record was the year before he got there? Oh, I'm
gonna go with thirty and fifty two? Thirty and fifty two,
all right? Um they went his first year I believe,

(53:56):
so his first year, Um they fin's what forty Wasn't
that the lockout year or whatever? It was a lockout
year before. I'm trying to think what year was, buyer,
do you know what? What? Do you have a guess
on what they went? I thought maybe forty one and
forty one? Yeah, the year before he got there, it

(54:21):
was two thousand nine ten on it It was right
about the five, that's exactly, and then they were in
first place, first place right at right afterwards. So I mean,
the the idea that, well, Lebron can't win, like okay,
but look what he did in Cleveland, Look what he
did in Miami. Look we did previously in Cleveland. So
you're not wrong to think at some point father time
is gonna catch up with him. Not wrong to think that,

(54:45):
but the reality of um, actually, you know what that
might I think he might got might have gone forty
seven and thirty five? Is that the Yeah, it went
forty seven and thirty five, so slightly above They finished
in third place in the Southeast Division the year before
where he got there. The very following season, they won
fifty eight games. So the thought is everywhere he's gone,

(55:09):
he's won almost immediately or turned around almost immediately. Why
would Lebron James think he wouldn't do the same with
the Lakers. That's not that has nothing to do with
his thought of of of of changing the NBA playoff format. Nothing,
in my opinion, Did you guys see this? Um? Did

(55:31):
you guys see the story out of Los Angeles El
Camino High School, so al Comino High School at the
City school. There was apparently a security guard who overheard
a seventeen year old talking about UM shooting up the
school alerted police officers. They went to his house, found
a couple of those a R fifteens or whatever, right,
and rounds and rounds of magazines and some military grade

(55:56):
uh not just ammo, but also other weapons. The kid's
brother was in the military and sent him back to him. Anyway,
was the security guard ends up being the hero in
the story. But if you dig deeper into the story,
the kid, who had had multiple UM disciplinary action is
taken against him, was overheard saying that now I was

(56:19):
gonna shoot up to school, but he was mad because
the teacher wouldn't let him come to class because he
had headphones on. Right, Like, there's this to me is
there's a good type of crazy and a bad type
of crazy. Like the good type of crazy is Lebron
James thinking I don't care what your your Your potential
for me is whatever team I go to, we're gonna win.

(56:39):
Then there's the bad kind, which is the kid. Like
we think of people thinking logically and normally, but if
you if your reaction to like that, if the reaction
to a teacher telling you to take off your headphones
when you're in class, or you're gonna be in trouble
and you're so mad that you're going to shoot up.
So that's the bad kind of crazy. H. I don't

(57:04):
know if that was too much of an aside for you.
I saw this story and I was stunned by it,
especially coming off of what we saw last night on TV. Uh.
John Worth Times is gonna join us in next to me.
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made the Mavericks front office look just awful? How much
did Mark Cuban know? One? Do you know? Why? Need
you do more about it? We'll discuss next. This is

(57:52):
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It's the story that everybody is talking about in the NBA. No,

(58:14):
it's not Lebron and his new teammates. Uh, there isn't
even the buzz from the All Star Game. Really, it's
Sports Illustrated. John Warthime, co author to piece which depicted
the Mavericks, says, I guess what the cliche of what
locker room behavior would be like. The crazy part was
the locker room did not have locker room behavior. John Worth,

(58:35):
Time from Sports Illustrator, joins us on Fox Sports Trader John,
how are you good? Thanks to Duck good Man. Um okay,
So I look when when I read it, I tried
to read it in detail. There were obviously some alarming
stuff in there, but it did focus on three major
really three pieces, right. It was the former CEO, the

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HR director, and a guy who wrote for we call
a beat writer. But when you write for the team's
website and collect um and collect checks from the team,
you're not really a beat writer. You're you know, right,
your your mouthpiece or a propaganda specialist if you will.
Those are the three names mentioned in the piece. I
mean correct, those the central figures. Yeah, I mean I

(59:20):
just there was a cultural piece that they were beyond.
I mean yeah, I think those were the three sort
of central figures. I'll buy that, Okay. So the question becomes,
how much like the Mark Cuban thing. First there was
I didn't know some of this stuff, then I didn't
know enough about it, and then these these were these
were f ups. What's your thought, what have you been

(59:41):
able to discover in terms of what and when Mark
knew something was up in the business side of his organization.
That's a great question. And I suspect when this, you know,
independent investigation just going, we'll learn more. Um. No, as
you say, I talked to Mark Monday and he said
he's embarrassed, he's ashamed, it sickens him. But he knew nothing. Um.

(01:00:06):
That seemed to to move a little bit and and
change a bit within twenty four hours. And now you
know certain employees are making certain charges. And I think
you're right that the three main figures Mark wasn't one
of them, but just didn't quickly become a story about
this owner famous for his passion and his hands on approach.

(01:00:27):
How is it that Mark Cuban knew nothing. Mark Mark
Dore's listen. I'm a basketball guy. I know everything about basketball.
I know who makes one in the analytics. I didn't
know the business side. And yet a lot of the
sources we spoke to said, you know, come on, this
stuff was an open secret. You're trying to tell me.
Mark Cuban, the most hands on owner in the NBA,
didn't have any width of this. So we'll we'll see

(01:00:49):
where this goes. What I don't know. I mean, like
they're look, there's a lot of uncomfortable stuff there, and
a lot of behavior which, though in the past, needs
to be eradicated from any any business. You know, the
one where you have a writer who who abuses a
woman who he works with even though living relationship, and
and and gets arrested and is allowed to come back

(01:01:12):
to work. I forget the second offense. How does that happen?
It's a great question. I mean, clearly there there was
a breakdown, but I would mean I would pause there.
One of the culprits was the CEO. Well what does
that mean? Well, first, it needs that this culture is
starting at the top. If it's a guy who's basically
running the company is what we were told was a

(01:01:33):
serial harasser. We had multiple sources detail account after account
of harassment with him. It's the CEO is doing this.
Not only is he the guy in charge, so what
kind of a culture does that set? But also he's
the one hiring the HR head who people sensibly are
supposed to go to when they have complaints. He's the
one who's in charge of sort of the office dynamic.

(01:01:55):
This case, the HR officer aid didn't have an office.
He had a cubicle and beat it was right near
the c e o s office, so you know, you
can understand why women were reluctant to file formal complaints.
And then as you say that the we'll call him
a beat writer, I understand your hesitation, but yeah, when
you have a beat writer who had a domestic violence

(01:02:15):
charge that he pled guilty too, and it prevented him
from going into Canada, which meant that, you know, when
the Mavericks played the Raptors, he couldn't go, So that
would tell me that the team knew about this. And
then he had a subsequent domestic violence incident against a
co worker Mavericks employee, and as of two days ago,

(01:02:36):
he was still on the job. That was really troubling. Yeah. Yeah,
And and they allowed him to come back to work
as long as he wasn't alone in the presence of
a woman like what like this, this is real? This
that that really happened. Um yeah, Mark told me his
his word to me was that he needed an escort. Um. Again,

(01:02:58):
you've got an employee on the payroll who needs an
escort to do his job. Yeah, I mean I again,
I was a reporter here, I wasn't a columnist. I
don't want to go too far down the road of
casting judgment. I'll leave that to others. But yeah, that, um,
that that was. That was troubling. All right. So here
here's the part that I'm I'm stuck on. A CEO

(01:03:21):
is can be hard to get rid of, right because
they can they can know trade secrets. Maybe maybe you're
super close friends. I don't know of CEO and i'd
CEO of an NBA team. Sounds a little bit more
powerful than it actually is. But okay, see, but like
Earl Steed was a nobody right, imminently replaceable, and they
had opportunities to get rid of them, and they didn't.

(01:03:45):
And if he and if he twice abuses women that
worked for the Mavericks. One shows up to work, like,
why not just get rid of him? I don't understand. Uh,
that's that's that's a question for the Mavericks. I mean,
Mark talked about the song. If you saw he is
interview with the sp and he didn't say to me,
but each said to ESPN. Part of his thinking was,
then again, I'm just taking this from an ESPN interview

(01:04:05):
he did. Part of this thinking was that better we
try to correct this situation and get this guy counseling,
then have him leave the organization and take his antisocial
behavior elsewhere. But again, I mean, you think about the
female employees at the Mavericks and what it did to
imperil them that a guy with multiple domestic violence incidents, Um,

(01:04:28):
it's it's still going to work. And you know the
other thing that struck me doing this story, I taught
you talked to a woman after a woman and they're upset,
they feel disrespected, they feel wounded. But so many of
them just said, you know what the heck was sports
And they didn't just leave the Mavericks, they left the
entire industry. And I don't we have the sin Sports Illustrated.
I suspect you do as well. There's that there's discussion

(01:04:49):
about how do we get rid of this this male
female this disproportionate relationship, and here you have woman after
woman leaves the sports industry because they didn't feel the
workplace was eight. Um. That was something that really stuck
with me and struck me. And again, I mean the
fact that the CEO who's setting policy and setting culture

(01:05:10):
has this track record, and he was first investigated, you
would think that subsequent to that complains that, you know,
you think that would be zero tolerance, and after that,
you know he wouldn't last for seventeen more years. And yeah,
I mean, like like you, you wonder how a guy
with multiple domestic violence incidents, one of them against a

(01:05:32):
coworker would keep his job while the coworker left. And
she she told us she had to apply for over
two fifty jobs before she got new employment. John Worth
time from Sports Hill Shape joining us in the Doug
Gottlib Show here on Fox Sports Trader. I did the
how many people work for the Mavericks in the business side?

(01:05:52):
Uh that that I couldn't. I mean, I can countered
in the media guy, but that that I I don't
have the precise number. I guess. I guess. One of
the things you guys did an excellent job of showing
was there's the one line where said, you know that
the place of refuge was actually the locker room from
this court of locker room behavior. But there were no coaches,
there were no scouts at least accused in the piece,

(01:06:14):
and there were no players accused in the piece. And
so if I were to take issue with the idea
of a culture is if there was a cultural sexual harassman,
how come it didn't leak into the basketball side of it. Yeah,
it's it's a great question. And we also we we
talked about sort of locker room atmosphere colloquially. Well, here,
in this case, the locker room atmosphere was completely respectful

(01:06:37):
to women. And they said again, again and again, they said, listen, dork,
no whiskey. Great. You know they take off the name
Vince Carter, Great Shawn Mary and great Rick Carlisle. Nothing
but professional, these women would say. We talked about the
locker room. You go in the actual locker room and
we were treated like human beings. We get to our
desk and that's where guys were watching porn. That's where

(01:06:58):
you know, we were hearing things that we never should
have heard it in CEOs harassing us. So yeah, I
mean I think there's a certain I mean again, I
think it sounds like such a business book cliche, but
the leader sets the culture. And don't know, if you
saw Rick Carlisle's remarks yesterday, I mean, clearly this is
not a guy who would tolerate anything like that. I
mean he was, he was very outspoken. Um, clearly the CEO,

(01:07:20):
the Rick Carlisle equivalent on the business side, uh, looked
at things much differently. Yeah, no, that that but that
But there's where I think and I understand that it
is under the Mavericks banner, but it unfortunately cast a
shadow over the Mavericks team when this has nothing to
do with the Mavericks team per se. It's more the
it's the it's the business side. And I don't know

(01:07:40):
if the mainstream sports fan spends enough time and really
reads your reads the piece and sports sociation understands there's
a differentiation with the two. Is that fair? Yeah? I mean,
we we put that one line about how the locker
room not only did this not involve players. The players
here were sort of the virtuous part. When we try
to put that line eigh in the store would make

(01:08:00):
clear this is not a story about athletes. And yeah,
I mean it's interesting to me just covering sports. I mean,
when was the last time you had a sports scandal
like this where it didn't involve athletes at all? I mean,
this this was as you say this, this was you know,
Earl's need, the website writer. But the actual athletes who
are associated with Mavericks, we're the gentleman. And the other

(01:08:22):
thing too, that's interesting about that to your point is
people have talked about punishments and what should the NBA do?
And your Cuban gets fine six and our grand for tanking?
What's the fine when there's an atmosphere like this. But
you know, it's just judging reporting the story. It seems
to me unfair. You're gonna take away draft picks, You're
gonna sort of new to the team, when again, as

(01:08:44):
you say that that the team itself is really very
separate from the culture we were describing. So how do
you how do you punish the Mavericks without exacting a
price on the basketball, especially when the basketball side had
nothing to do with this. Um. I again, I think, uh,
I'm given Mark Cubans outspoken this so far, and I

(01:09:04):
think he deserves some credit for that. I think this
independent investigation, UH, we'll have some teeth and I think
when we get the results of that, UM, we'll have
a lot to your first question, will have a lot
more sense of of who knew what and when did
they know it? And that will probably help fashion punishment
if appropriate. Yeah, it's it's interesting. You know, we we

(01:09:24):
taught Chris Mannox was on yesterday, UM and and he
said like, look, here's the NBA and NBA TV still
employees Isaiah Thomas and he was running the Knicks, you know,
during their embarrassing sexual harrassment sexual harrassment UH lawsuit which
over eleven million dollars with the Nucle Browns uh Nucle
brown Smith think was was the lady's name who was

(01:09:46):
one of the topics, right, UM. So, I think it's
it is fascinating that that, Look, the culture is unacceptable.
It has been there and even in the league, which
is as forward thinking as the NBA, UH, they have
you know, they have just as much guilt as any
of these other professions, right, Like you're uncovering something that
I hope doesn't exist elsewhere, but might well have existed elsewhere. Yeah,

(01:10:10):
I don't know if I'd go that, I mean, I
don't I would. I wouldn't necessarily say they have as
much guilt as these other professions. But yeah, I mean,
it's it's really problematic. Tour deema Ussery was a David
Stern protegee. David Stern essentially installed him as CBA commissioner.
He was on the NBA Board of Governors. Um, you
know that the NBA had very close ties with this individual.
Like you say this, I mean, if I if I

(01:10:31):
Veiah Thomas, if that lawsuit happens post me too, If
that happened in the last six months and didn't happen
more than ten years ago, there's no way Isaiah Thomas
is working for the for the league's network. Having said that,
you know, as these as these things go, I think
at the slippery slopes to start comparing industries. And again,
I mean, the way the story came about was I

(01:10:53):
did a story on Jerry Richardson about two months ago,
and after that came out, we had some tips about
the Mavericks Jerry Richardson never return to phone call. I
don't think he's spoken on record to anyone. He's certainly
not apologized to some of the women who feel very
hurt by his conduct. I mean, I do feel like
I need to stress that I've probably spoken to Mark Cuban,

(01:11:13):
you know, half a dozen times in the last seventy
two hours. Um, you know, he has not hidden and
I think you know he's he's owed some credit there. Yeah,
two different types of pr One is shut it down,
don't start talking, because you know, like, look, Mark Cuban
obviously goes the other way, and Cuban has the equity
from Shark Tank, the equity from winning a championship, and
the equity to say, look, I'm I'm actually talking about

(01:11:34):
this thing. On the other hand, he did you know
he contradicted himself between his first discussion with you and
subsequent interviews. Correct, Yeah, and uh, I mean he he
called me and said, listen, I just don't I don't
want to mislead you. I went back and looked at
some emails. I mean, I think you know, it's it's
a fluid situation. As we say, I mean, employees that
we're working for the Mavericks forty eight hours or not

(01:11:56):
working there now. But you know again, I compare this
and and your Richardson's case. He was the accused figure.
Mark Cuban is is not the accused party. But but
I am struck by how these two different franchises have
responded in two very different ways. Fascinating And of course
the Panthers are Jerry Richarsons selling the team, which happened
almost immediately after your last piece came out, John, uh

(01:12:19):
look forward to talking with you under under better circumstances,
maybe some maybe some tennis upcoming. I love your stuff there.
In the meantime, thanks so much for joining us. You
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wanted to get uh, um, I want to get update
on sports. But do you think they'll make Cubans sell
the team? No? I don't think so. I don't think
over to guys, to people, that seems three three really
my my, I said this yesterday, and I kind of
said this to John, and maybe it wasn't a great
interview in Saint John. Like, there's a lot of things

(01:13:04):
that stuck out to me, but one thing that stuck
having me was we're talking about three guys. And I'm
sure there's more there that you didn't put somebody's name on,
but I don't. I don't think that speaks to a
culture that thinks that speaks to a guy in charge
being gross, a guy who's an HR being close to
the guy who's gross, and then a guy I don't
understand why they stand stood by the writer. I just
I don't get that one. Well, you guys were talking

(01:13:26):
about the Carolina Panthers in a report from the Charlotte Observer.
Of course, Jerry Richardson is selling the team of paper.
Estimates today that the Panthers franchise could sell between two
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(01:13:46):
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(01:14:09):
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(01:14:50):
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(01:15:10):
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(01:15:32):
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(01:15:54):
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fox said. And now Colin Cowherd is a draft nick.
He loves the NFL draft, as do why he offered
this up in regards to Baker Mayfield. This whole thing
about Baker Mayfield, Oklahoma quarterback. Here's something I just can't

(01:18:48):
get over there is a police video of Baker Mayfield
running from cops in Oklahoma. I cannot get past that.
If Baker Mayfield was a cornerback or a linebacker, maybe
I don't care as much. But name me a Hall
of Fame quarterback who has a video of him running
from the cops in college. I'm sorry, but Baker Mayfield's
got lousy judgment. If you've ever run from cops, you've

(01:19:11):
got lousy judgment. It may not affect me if you're
a punter, but if you're at the judgment position of football,
I can't get past that. Colony was young, so was
Eli Manning. There's no video of that. There's no video
of Andrew Luck doing that. There's no video of Sam
Donald doing that. There's no video of Tom Brady doing
that running from police on video. And worst of all,

(01:19:36):
they caught him. So he's slow. Everybody's talking about seventy
s that there's a police video out on him. Look
it up, he's running from cops. He's a quarterback. I'm done,
undraftable off my board. There's public in ducks, wasn't it right?
It's public? Like let's it's public in ducks? Let's catch

(01:19:56):
our breath. I love Colin, I love the passion, I
love these strong He's strong and Barry I kind of
think that's a hot take. Take him off the board
because he got arrested for public in talks at the
University of Arkansas. Uh, it's generally not a good idea
to run from police. And yes, you would. Lamar Jackson
would have gotten away, if you want to say that, right,

(01:20:17):
Lamar Jackson would have gotten away, Sam Donald, my elusiveness
might have gotten away. Fine, we can have fun with
all all of that. But this is this is a
kinda Collins you can't wear your hat backwards and be
a starting quarterback in the NFL thing. And he used
to say that all the time. And then I'm watching
the Tom versus Time episode and there Tom Brady is

(01:20:39):
driving uh hundred a plus hundred thousand dollar car with
his hat on backwards like it's a bad look. It's
a knock against him. I'm not sure I love Baker Mayfield,
but the fact that he got brought down by some
Arkansas police officers when uh for public in talks. To me,
that doesn't make him doesn't doesn't make him draft undraftable. Yes, music,

(01:21:08):
how much does that matter given the fact that it
happened last summer and then he had this season where
Oklahoma was so successful and he won the Heisman Trophy.
Like imagine if this had just happened last night leading
into the draft, that would make all of the difference,
even though it's essentially the same thing, right, Yes, yes, dude,

(01:21:30):
Joe Mixon punched a girl and you know, broke her
teeth and there's video of it, and you can tell
me that Joe Mixon, Well, it's a position of leadership
quarterback as opposed to running back, which is not. And
yet it happened a while ago, but we we have
the video, We've seen what he did. I don't. I

(01:21:53):
don't think what Baker Mayfield. I think it pales obviously
in comparison. It was public in talcs, I means just
a silly thing to be arrested for, and then even
sillier that he ran from the cops, and it's not
a strong look. And I don't I'm not as big
on Baker as other people are in Baker in terms
of his tangibles, his arm strength. Remember, he's playing in

(01:22:14):
a system that produced Menzel, produced Case Keenham produced um
other quarterbacks that that have not succeeded in the NFL
and then have have covered up guy's lack of arm strength,
ability to read a defense. Plus he's really small with
small hands. Not a big dude, a two time walk on.
But it's a really good athlete. He's a get behind

(01:22:36):
me leader who likes to have a little bit too
much of a good time and got brought down by
some some Markansas cops. That's what the fox said. Yeah,
it's like one of those things that you'd like to
You'd like to say, hey, why why can't you get
away from the cops. But if he did get away
from the cops, he would have been he would have

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(01:24:03):
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The Toronto Raptors are the Hyundai of the NBA. But
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and so when they came out, their build quality was
equally good, if not better. And frankly, it's one of
the things that American cars deal with, Like merkan May
cars are made really well. I have a Malibu outside
of rental Malibu, well, a nice car, right, like and you.

(01:26:19):
But we're programmed to think will Accord is better than Malibu.
You just programmed because of whatever happened ten years ago,
fifteen years ago. In basketball, the Raptors are like Hunday's.
Hundays make nice cars, to make luxury cars. Kiya's much
the same way. But we view them as the first
incarnation of what they were when they got here, a

(01:26:40):
little bit lower and a little bit more frugal, way
to save money and still motive transportation kind of cars.
And now you look at Hundays and look at Kias,
and those are the high end ones, are nice cars,
and they might actually cost you a little bit less money.
That's what the Raptors are. Raptors have been in the
playoffs before, but because when they face off with Lebron

(01:27:01):
James two years ago, they went to six last year,
there wasn't much at all in regards to pushing back
against them. We've seen them enough to have to predetermined
in our mind that the Toronto Raptors aren't gonna be
good enough in the playoffs. Look, I'm just as guilty
as anybody else. They have play a completely different style
of basketball this year than they did last year. They

(01:27:25):
do emphasizing a lot more bad movement. Their spacing is different,
their movement is different. It doesn't allow you to kind
of load up on Kyle Lowry and load up onto
mar De Ros and they're shooting more threes. There bigs
are out there stretching the floor out, open the lane
up for Derosen. Who is who is probably the biggest
star that the two No Kitsch in Denver is probably

(01:27:50):
the best player no one talks about nationally or you know,
like if I say no kids like, we're not gonna
take calls out. Who is no kids like? Like whom?
I don't even know who the hell you're talking about me?
He's a kids guy's a star in Denver. Just a
great player and for a big man, a fantastic passer.

(01:28:10):
But his name doesn't exactly move the meter When I
talk best players, best scores in the NBA, you're gonna
mention hard and you're gonna mention the Greek freak maybe
Anthony Davis. Are you gonna bring up to Marta Rosen?
His team is actually winning, he's playing great, more efficient basketball,
shooting the three better, averaging five assists a game career high,

(01:28:38):
and assist better in three point shooting. And yet does
anybody talking about him as a superstar. I don't think
he's a superstar, but baby more star Colber player. So
I look at it, and Toronto Raptors are interesting. I'm
still not convinced, and I think most of the league
wouldn't be convinced. Most of the leagu wouldn't be convinced,

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but at some point you would you would assume that
there's gonna be a breakthrough. Otherwise they become like, frankly,
what Cleveland used to be in the nineties, but what
Cleveland was in the nineties is what kind of the
Raptors are today? By do you think is that is
that A? Is that A? Is that an appropriate parallel there?
Because um, when like Larry Nance obviously his son now

(01:29:29):
on the calves, like you think back to that hot
Rod Williams, Mark Price, Brad Lordy craig El like they
had a bunch of dudes. They were a good team,
but they were never seen as the Knicks even were
more were we're Ron Harper, Ron Harper before he got
hurt and then he led to be left with the Clippers.
But they had to run there where they were a

(01:29:49):
deep team, a really good team, but they could never
get past the Bulls, and they weren't even seen as
nearly as much of a challenger as maybe the Knicks
were late and George rut Yeah, and the Raptors this
time around, Doug seemed to be taking as that step
that the Calves never could because of the bench, Like
you had Norman Powell who would maybe once every three
weeks have like eighteen points a game or something. But

(01:30:11):
now you've got like the lawn Wright and Yaka Peartle
and Fred van Vleet's when heck, when Kyle Awry was out,
Fred van Vleet stepped in and did a good job. Yeah,
they seem it's very fair like a good solid team
that you're just we're waiting on. Okay, maybe they'll take
the next step and just never could I guess the
jury still on on the Raptors, but I think that's
that's a very fair comparison. Yeah, look, they're a good team.

(01:30:31):
It's just it's it's hard for us who have watched
a long time to buy in. Um. The The other
big story in the NBA is what Greg Popovich said yesterday.
So take a listen to the tone, the pacing, and
and the substance of what he says in regards to
Kawhi Leonard, who has been cleared by the team to
play and yet is not with the team currently playing ahead,

(01:30:54):
that's number of games left this season and uh, he's
still not ready to go, and different by some chance
he is. It's gonna be pretty late into the seasion,
and it's gonna be a tough decision. Do uh you
know how wait to bring somebody back. So that's why
I'm just trying to be honest and logical. I'll be

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surprised if he gets back this year. I'll be surprised
if he gets back this year. Like that's a stunner.
Kawhi Letter is not good quite letters, great quite letters.
Generally seen as the third best player in the NBA, Versatile,
a two way player, and no, he's not Lebron. He's

(01:31:36):
obviously at the score of k D Katie's becoming a
better defensive player, but he's not the defensive player that uh,
he's not the defensive player that Kawhi Leonard has been.
And to not have him for the entire season, and
this on what we think is the brink of him

(01:31:58):
signing a huge contract extension. He's up for the He's
up for the biggest contracts extension in NBA history. He's
up for one of those two fifteen million dollar deals,
maybe the highest paid Spur ever in the history of
the Spurs. So what's behind this. There's a couple of things.

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First part is, remember the last time he was a
free agent, last time that he was a free agent,
he did not get top dollar because of the way
in which they handled his free agent that they smartly
were able to get him for less money trying to
keep championship teams together. But also like that was the

(01:32:41):
San Antonio way. So you start with that, you continue
on with uh firing his agent afterwards and hiring his
uncle to run his business affairs. His uncle has had no, uh,
no experience running anybody else's business affairs in the NBA,

(01:33:02):
so mad about the last contract, carries that carries that
anger with him, hires an uncle who's probably filling him
full of why would you do this and stay here
when you're not gonna get promoted like you will elsewhere.
They're always going to try and get guys for less.
They didn't go and get Chris Paul when Chris Paul
wanted to come last year. When think about it for

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for a second, you're Kauhid Leonard and you want to
win another NBA championship, and Tony Parker goes down and
Chris Paul supposedly wants to come, and you don't make
a trade. Meanwhile, the the Houston Rockets do. So there's
a little bit of keeping up with the Joneses and
the envy of what Houston has been able to do

(01:33:47):
in order to pursue the Golden State Warriors. And while
Pop's great, Pop's not for everybody. He can be demanding.
He can be the same voice you can go to
turn that thing off. Just Kaua. Just because Kauai's tire
doesn't mean that to me. Just because Kauai is quiet
doesn't mean that he wants everybody else talking all the

(01:34:08):
time or yelling at him all the time, pretty self
motivated guy. And then you factor in, no one wants
to be called a faker, and that's essentially what they've
called him if you take it the wrong way. When
the Spurs leak out that they think it's all in
his head, that he's not really hurt. They're saying, hey,

(01:34:30):
we think he's faking it, or we said we think
he's soft. You can meet, you can call me whatever
you want to call me, but man soft a faker,
which is like calling you a liar, a MoU content.
He's gone Hollywood like all of these things. Instead of

(01:34:51):
being in us against the world, it becomes a Kauai
against the Spurs, and that's not good. And I don't
fall I don't fault Greg Popovitch for how he feels
and even what he says and the honesty and pasting.
Like I I don't buy that it was strictly for
Kawai Leonard, but I do think that he knew Kauie
Leonard would be listening to those remarks and he's like, look,

(01:35:12):
at some points, gotta play because we can't just put
him in the last three games than have him play
in the playoffs. That that's not that's not a great
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the way, Michael Porter Jr. One of the star freshmen
in college basketball, has been cleared for all basketball activities.
That from John Rosstei. There you go, Mac. You get
a chance to see him, chance to play with his brother,
chance to play for his dad, who's an assistant at Missouri.
Head coach of Xavier, Chris Mack was one game away

(01:35:54):
from the final four last year. Is this year's team better?
We'll discuss next. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show on
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Fox Sports Radio and we talked about their team a
little bit. Earlier, um kind of fascinating. The last year,

(01:36:37):
about this time, they had all kinds of injuries and
Treyvon Blewett had been hurt. They lost their point guard
for the year, and there was this thought, man, Xavier
had a chance to compete for the whole thing, and
would they get in, would they win a game? And
then they kind of started to put it together late
and make a run, get all the way the Elite
eight before kind of running out of gas and uh,

(01:36:59):
and then you look at them here and everyone I
know who follows college pass was like, you know, there's
a team that's got the personnel to make that run again.
You gotta have you gotta have a go to score.
You gotta have some veterans. You gotta have a culture,
you gotta have defense. You've gotta been there before, Like
you check a bunch of boxes and and Xavier's there. Uh.
The only thing they haven't been able to do this year, frankly,

(01:37:22):
is beat Villanova. They still may win the Big East
in spite of it. Of course, he played at Xavier.
He's got the best winning percentage in the history of
the school. That says something considering the great coaches that
have been uh through the doors. There he's Chris Mackie
joins us on the Doug Gotlip Show. Mac. How are you?
I'm good, Doug? How are you doing? Good? Man? Um?
Still fun? Like? Is this has this year been fun?

(01:37:42):
I guess five and four? Going to last little stretch
of the regular season. Are you enjoying it? Yeah? Man?
How could you not? You know? Um, you know it's
hard to complain when you're winning games, and you know,
when you have the type of seniors that I have.
I mean, guys that I really enjoyed being around every
single day, and they with the right way. They're hard workers,
say they um, they played for the team, you know.

(01:38:05):
I mean look at Trayvon for instance. Last night there
was one for ten in the floor. You know, he
couldn't get one to go and instead of I'm open
and Palton and sitting on the bench when he's the
first guy pumping his fist when big shots are made
down the stretch. So yeah, I'm certainly enjoying it, and
hopefully we'll have a lot more to enjoy down the stretch.
You know. Quentin good and he got a lot of

(01:38:26):
minutes last year at the end of the season because
of injury. And while immediately it probably hurts you, then
that to me is what has helped you most this
season is all that experience he got last year. It's
crazy when you know, I remember last year you you
actually told me, like, look, we'll be fine. Eventually it's

(01:38:46):
worked out as such. How much has last year's experience
helped him this season? Man, it's just just a blessing
in disguise, you know. And you know we all play
for the most part. When you're a freshman dog, it's
like you just you want an opportunity and and you
know you're getting that run of like like if I
make a mistake, coaches pooling me. And you know, when
Edmund Sumner went down a year ago, we didn't have

(01:39:06):
any choice. I mean there we didn't have a second
and third and fourth and fifth point guard. You know,
we had Quintin who you know, had started to play better,
but certainly in a complimentary role of twelve or fourteen
minutes the game. And then suddenly he's in there thirty
six minutes a game, and you know the four minutes
he sits out, you want to back in anyway, and
you know, to experience the highs and lows like you

(01:39:27):
talked about for Quintin and our team a year ago.
I just think it gave him a ton of confidence
coming into this year. Now. The one thing that was
a little bit tough was he missed most of the
off season, you know here planning or fascis, and not
a lot of people talked about that. So here he
had all these all these experiences down the stretches of
freshman and then had to be in a boot for
three and a half months. So um, you know, he

(01:39:48):
started off a little bit rusty, especially with his jump shot.
That man is of late and he's played as well
as any point guard in the league outside of maybe
Jalen Brunson. All right, let's let's discuss your seniors. The
two best known seniors Trayvon Blewett, who blew up last
year in the tournament, and I think coming into the
year many people thought could be the national player of

(01:40:08):
the year. You mentioned that he didn't mope when he
wasn't making shots. What is he actually doing better this
year that maybe the stats don't show. Well, I don't
know what he's doing better, um, Doug, I think number one,
he's he's he's assumed leadership. Uh number two. I just
think that sometimes when guys you know, have such a
bright spotlight on him in the previous year and much

(01:40:30):
is expected of him, Uh, they try to do too much,
you know, it becomes all about them, you know, and um,
you know, consequently, sometimes guys struggle, and Trayvon has become
even more efficient. You know, his shooting percentage from wherever
you talk about on the floor has gone up. I
think his decision making has gotten better. And so for me,

(01:40:50):
it's just it's just, uh, it's awesome to see a
guy not get spoiled by the process and the attention. Um.
You know, sometimes, as you know, a guy can come
at the school and act as though he's doing the
coach of favor, and the program of favor doesn't play
as hard, isn't as invested the team, and uh, that
is not Trayvon Blewett. And I'm I'm as fortunate as

(01:41:13):
any coach in America I have a guy like that. Yeah,
and and then you have JP Macura and the other
thing that that's great. They don't seem to have senior itis,
you know, they seem to know. Sometimes you're also around
guys too much, right, and your guys spend summer, summer
school together. You know, there's there's preseason when you're playing
and it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like the
guys because you know, like you're around to too much.

(01:41:35):
You you can be like brothers where you fight all
the time. I don't get that sense. But is that
just the censor? Is that the reality of it? No,
it's it's the reality and I'm and I'm not sugarcoating
in any way, shape or form. You know, you worry
about because you talk to your team every day. You
present things every day, whether it's scouting report, whether it's
your objective and practice, you know, whatever motivational. You present

(01:41:56):
something basically to your team every day. And by the
time your seniors, you know, are in their final months
and they've heard everything that I've had to setting and
they're still they're still locked in on me. And you
know what better feeling when you know you're watching the
freshman watch those guys um because now they understand what
leadership is when they become sophomores and juniors, and you know,

(01:42:17):
Tony Dungey calls it regenerative leadership or your oldest guys.
You can teach the younger guys how to set the
example on how to learn the culture. And I really
have that with both JP Trayvon and Shawn Mra. Do
you have your Craton pom Poms ready? Well? Uh, you know,
I told our guys, you know, to go eight team
conference games and and win a conference championship. Um. I

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don't think there could be anything cooler for our team,
you know, because Villanova has certainly been at the mountaintop
since we joined the conference, and uh, I'm not taking
anything away from him. They beat us both times uh
this year. But regardless of how Villanova plays down the stretch,
wins loses game, we have a chance to control our destiny.
We may be co champs and they may get the
tie breaking seed. But you know, for our guys, we're

(01:43:03):
gonna worry about our eighty minutes that we have left
against Providence and DePaul and not not focusing in on
what Dolanova is doing. See, I thought last night, I
thought it was big. And I'll tell you why I
was doing a game. I guess, yeah, Saturday, because we
watched the game Saturday and I did an SC game,
and uh, Tim Brando has done a bunch of games.
Now we're doing the game, and I said, you know,
the big thing you got to be cautious up with

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Georgetown is not letting Nova beat you twice. And you know,
because you put so much in that place sent to
us was an absolute zoo last week last weekend. I mean,
it was the the spot in college basketball on Big
Fox and you guys get beat a second time? How
did you work through that when when Georgetown has given
you a game and you're trying to you know, how
do you how did you go to the whip last

(01:43:45):
night to end up separating yourself from the hoys. We
talked about immediately after the game against doan Ova. You know,
I said that the one thing that that I didn't
feel like I had to do was I didn't have
to lie to the guys and say, hey, if we
win this game and don't know, we don't have to
worry it out doing over loose. I mean, it sucks
that we lost the game, but you know, we we
had the respect of Georgetown, or you know, we had

(01:44:08):
respect for Georgetown, I should say, because they came into
the Centa Center and gave us a game. They have
two of the best post players or front court players
in our entire league, and Marcus Derrickson and Jesse Govan,
so we knew it was going to be a war.
And and our guys were very respectful of the type
of basketball that Georgetown has been playing as a late,
having beaten Seaton Hall going you know, gone to Butler,

(01:44:29):
so I didn't really have to talk to him in
terms of, hey, you're not having a type of season,
and everybody thought they might have not Big East you know, uh, contenders,
but this is about us and we still control our
own destiny. And and you know, fortunately, like I said before,
I have guys that, you know, really believe in our cause.
And uh they're the ones in the locker room. They're
spreading that work, you know, like this could be this

(01:44:52):
could be an interesting season in terms of checking boxes
like things, could win your first Big East title, could
get your first number one seed, right, and and in
the past it was always fighting for respectable seeds in
respect when you go back to the eight tens of
your days, right and could get to the final four,
Like have you thought of the possibility of checking so
many of these boxes? Um? Maybe not? Maybe not? In

(01:45:17):
the grandiose screen scheme link all of that stuff combined,
you know, trying to focus him on the short term,
knowing some pretty cool long term things could happen. Um.
You know, I think if you get caught looking ahead
and thinking too much, uh, it bites you in the tail.
So our guys been pretty good. They've been locked in.
You know. The nice thing is that we've been in
in really big moments here over the last couple of years,

(01:45:39):
you know, in the Sweet sixteen, you know, playing in
the Elite eight game, and so I think our guys
are very well aware of um, you know, circumstances and
just worried about what we can control and be ready
for the next game, and you know, hopefully some really
cool things play out for our team. You know, we've earned.
Our guys have worked really hard, I know, but you've
also earned now. But now now you're the hunt did
as the is to the hunter, right, Well, I don't

(01:46:02):
really handle that way. I can honestly tell you I
don't really feel that way. Uh. You know, there's always
motivation out there, you know. SETH Davis had an article
another day what they called a program Listless, and that
was from within the conference, you know, from anonymous coaches
within our conference, and uh, I think our guys didn't
really appreciate that. I mean, you know, you win twenty
five games and when you know still have a week

(01:46:22):
to the regular season. Um, you know, I think there
are a lot of teams that maybe don't believe that
we're the top five team. So we've got a lot
to prove, Hunted Hunter, I don't really care about all
that stuff. Yeah, the the one part I would and
I don't know if listless, but I do think your
best basketball is still potentially in front of you, whereas
other teams have played their best basketball at other spots

(01:46:45):
in the season. Would that be a fair assessment of
your group? I think so. You know, we we we
rely a lot on our bench and our bench. You know,
two of those guys are freshmen, and man have they
really come into their own you know in past Rugs
and Nazzy Marshall, I mean Nadia at times was the
best player on the court last night as a freshman.

(01:47:05):
Both of those guys are defensive minded. They've learned a
lot as the season's gone on. They've gained a lot
of confidence both within themselves and from their teammates. Um,
So I'd like to think that we are getting better
and um, we get everybody playing, continue to play together
and continue to leaving one another. Um, I just got
to get hot in March, and I think this group

(01:47:26):
is more than capable doing that. Well, listen, Uh, wish
you the best of luck. Obviously, congrats on the win.
All this respect is a long time coming. But I
know that you still want to win the league, want
to win the conference tournament, and I want to win
at least four, if not six games once we get
to the big tournament. Well, let's get back to work.
But Mac, thanks so much for joining us on Fox
Sports Radio. Thanks for having me dog. All right, that's

(01:47:47):
Chris Mac, the head coach of the Xavier Musketeers. As
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We are. Let's welcome in Dan buyer. Dan. Now, during
all the during your various trips to NAPA, when you're

(01:48:09):
sitting mine and she's you've been watching college hoop. You
know what, it was a very it was a very
limited viewing of College Hope while we were gone in Monterey,
in San Francisco, Saucelito, those sort of things unfortunate that
could be a little bit, just a little taste, just
a nice getaway. As the NBA All Star you know

(01:48:33):
break was happening, so we were trying to parallel it
with that. But I did catch a little college basketball
what West Virginia Baylor was earlier this week, Michigan State
Illinois was wasn't much of a game, but not to
catch a little college hoope, but it definitely ramps up
with Mark say, it was on, but I wasn't paying attention. Yeah,
there you go, hammered. Well, Illinois hasn't paid attention all year.

(01:48:55):
So that so we were the same, you know with
their and I just got a gesture from our in turn.
You know what was up with that? The flying a line,
I not flying so high. Um. NBA is back tonight,
Doug though six games on the schedule, including Wizards and
Calves and the Warriors home to the Clippers, highlighting some
of the action tonight. So and we in college basketball
earlier today, Seaton Hall drop Providence sent seven in the

(01:49:17):
game that was suspended last night because of condensation on
the floor. Alex norn is at four under par after
a round of sixty six to day at the Honda Classic.
He is not the story. The story would beat Tiger Woods,
who was at even parranges four back. I had pretty
good control of the golf all day, and uh, it's
all very comfortable with my strokes, especially in this wind.
An Tiger three birdies, one bogie and a double bogie.

(01:49:39):
He is four back in our mac Hughes Mackenzie Hughes watch.
Doug three under par sixty seven today puts him one
shot back in the lead. Tiger Woods, take that, Tiger. Yeah,
Jack changed the name Our pro and our pro am
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(01:49:59):
with Webb Simpson and a report from the Charlotte Observer Doug.
The paper estimates the Panthers could sell for anywhere between
two point three and two point eight billion dollars. Well,
the Seahawks aren't likely to use the franchise tag on
defensive lineman Sheldon Richardson. That's according to the NFL Network,
still hoping to have a long term deal with him. Yeah,
that fasting fastening on that trade. Uh see how that

(01:50:22):
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Let me bring you back in here, because I'm intrigued
by by the answer to this. Would you change the
NBA playoff format? No, not at all, No, I I argued.

(01:50:51):
I argued it on Sunday that I thought Adam Silver
was trying to get ahead of everything with Lebron's but
you know, with his possible departure, however, her with the
way that the East has even doubt I think that
that was the conversation so much is that there were
like four Western Conference clubs that were left out of
the playoffs if they would have been the East. That
was the old argument, and I think I think things

(01:51:13):
have evened up enough now. And Doug, I'm a big
like fair schedules, and I think that if you're you know,
if you can figure out a way to make it
fair for everybody and judge it on a hole of
thirty teams, that's fine, but with the weighted schedule of
an Eastern conference in a Western conference, Um, I think
it's fair enough. Well, I just I think it's it's
it is. It's a little bit like we're dealing on
dated information, or maybe we're we're we're not thinking, we're

(01:51:36):
thinking Lebron goes in, changes the whole thing, and but
like we're not paying attention to the fact that the
Celtics are are built for the long term or honestly,
you know, we talked about this top of the Hour,
the Raptors and how nobody seems to be paying attention
to the fact that they had the best record in
the East. It feels like the Pistons are better, the
seventies sixers are coming on strong. The Milwaukee Bucks have

(01:51:59):
a superstar on their roster. Yes, there are some teams
that in the Hawks and the Bulls, uh they're taking
But there's the Wizards, Like it's the Eastern commerce bill
better than you think, look at the records against each other.
I don't know, let's welcome in Dwayne Casey. He's the
head coach of the Toronto Raptors. He just got a

(01:52:20):
chance to coach the All Star Game. How much coaching
did you actually? I saw rextraw on up plays at
the end of the game, and how much coaching do
you actually get to do? Well? Rex was drawing up
what that he thought they were gonna do on a
point three second play, Doug and and it was quite
a bit. I drew up quite a bit at two
plays at the end of the game, and the one
that won the game was a play that we executed

(01:52:40):
down the stretch. And um, you know again, I thought
this year was a great example a start of of
changing the narrative as All Star games and not being
a spectacle as far as lobbs and just you know,
three points shots and how many three points were attempted.
And I thought it was a good start of guys competing,

(01:53:02):
playing hard, playing the game the right trying to play
the game the right way, and um, you know, it
was a good starting. I thought that was the American
going in. That's what I talk to your team about.
Did did you did you say something? Was that the
guys that said something like take me through the behind
closed doors? How it actually worked to get guys to
buy in, play a little bit harder, play a little
bit more defense. Well, the thing about it, Doug, you know,

(01:53:24):
it started with the players. They knew the player Association,
the league understood and knew that the All Star Games
had gotten out of hands, and so what what they
had to start talked about. And I said in our
first meeting, let's change. Let's change the way people perceive
the NBA. I said, all over the world people see,
you know, the bounced pass or behind the back passes

(01:53:48):
and all this stuff in the in the All Star Game,
and they feel like, this is what the NBA is about,
and let's change it. And it's it's good for the game,
it's good for the league, it's good to better for television.
The TV ratings were up, so uh, we talked about that.
And then after that, Lebron chimed in and said, hey,
let's let's go out and play the right way and
your best player in that situation, the guy that chose

(01:54:11):
the team truly believes in his heart that that's how
they wanted to play. Then Kevin Durant jumped in. I
thought his first two or three possessions of the game
were very indicative of how he wanted to play. Down
the stands, playing defense, and and so once I saw that,
I knew that, uh, you know, these is gonna be
more competitive games. What were the were you wearing hub caps?

(01:54:34):
Those those coup links you had were so sparkly and
so big I was. I could not any time they
did a close up of you, I couldn't tell me
about the cup links you were wearing during the All
Star Game. They were the Raptor couplings. He got him
the uh, the Raptors gave you to us, and so
that's that's exactly what they were. They're just to have
a rap Raptor logo on it and very cheap. I

(01:54:57):
would I hate hate to even say it that inexpensive, inexpensive, inexpensive,
but meaning probably just the way the probably the way
the light was hitting it. I guess I don't know,
all right, they were they were. They were impressive. I like,
I like these big cuff links. Dwayne Casey, head coach
of the first place Toronto Raptors. And here's what's interesting, coaches,
I don't know how many people have watched the fact

(01:55:18):
that you guys play completely differently on offense then you
have in years past. Um, what where are you in
the kind of metamorphosis into the ball movement style, uh,
changing some of the screen angles, changing how many people
touched the basketball in each offensive possession. In terms of
where you want to be, what percentage along the path

(01:55:38):
are you? We're we're down the path a little bit.
Our second unit does a little bit better than the
first students because the first student was so play oriented.
I hate to even use the word I RING because
the NBA. UH, you to see a lot of teams
now and there's still far more oriented than what we were.
But we had the label of being a totally I team,

(01:55:59):
but still we were in the ten offense with the
last year. But you know, again, we any Dallas, we
played more of a flow offense sort of see same
type thing we're doing now. So again it's a credit
to the players and the fact that they just told
adjust and just tells you the level of i Q
that a lot of NBA players have. And we just

(01:56:20):
felt like we wanted to change the style of play
as far as moving the basketball and more to to
get ourselves ready for the playoffs because in the playoffs,
you can sit on people's plays, you know what they're
gonna do and kind of can take them out of it.
But when you're moving the ball from side to side,
it's a little bit harder to do. Now. Again, the
Martin Rosen is one of the best mid range shooters

(01:56:42):
that we have in the NBA, so it was harder
for him. Now he's stepping out taking three. So I
would say we're probably seven or eight percent down the road,
and we just need to do it, you know, even
when the game's on the line, or keep moving the
basketball and get from side to side. And I always
feel like different balls finde white person at the right time. Yeah,

(01:57:02):
I mean, look, look, you've added o g Obviously, he
gives you great athleticism and versatility on defense. Van Fleet
now in his second year is giving you and and
maybe Kyle Lowry getting hurt helped him in terms of
his confidence showing he could he could he could run
a team at that level. Uh, Delon Wright another year
in the NBA, he's he's more refined. And of course

(01:57:22):
you have you have Surge now for an entire season,
as supposed to trading for him last year. All those things,
combined with this new offensive scheme offensive style for a
good portion of the game, have made you a better
team and a more viable team in the postseason, but
there's no one seems to mention they like, well, the
Calves added a cup of four new guys, so they're
the favorite again. Or it was the Celtics or the

(01:57:44):
Wizards in John wall um, is it just as simple
as simple as you gotta beat the Calves in the
playoffs otherwise nobody will buy in? Well, that's that's one
of the same thing, you know. It was when everybody
was chasing Michael Jordan's everybody had to be beat the Bulls,
or everybody had to beat the Lakers back when Magic
and Kareem we're playing, So it's always somebody at the

(01:58:06):
top of the mountain you're trying to knock off. And
you know, I I kind of you know, but it's
one of those things. I feel like we're better equipment. Now.
I'm not saying we're gonna do it, but we're better equipment.
I don't mind that though, Doug. I don't mind people
underestimating because that you know, if people are are students
enough for the game, are fans enough of the game,
they're gonna look at the numbers and and look at
the winds and look at the the defensive ratings and

(01:58:29):
offensive ratings, and and if they studying the game instead
of you know, studying the headlines, they would you know,
see it. So but again it's it's fine with me. Again,
we know the hurdles we gotta get over here in
Toronto as far as who we have to beat, and
unfortunately faced those things two teams once in the Eastern
Conference and last year in the semifinals. And the narrative

(01:58:51):
again is we had terrible years because we got beat
by Lebron James. But again we you know, we know
who we are, what we are, and we just got
to get the job done of getting over that that
huge mountain, uh called mountain Lebron James, I would say.
But again with that said, there's Boston is still a
very good team. There's so much and I think you

(01:59:11):
were talking about it on the air earlier. There's some
other good teams in the Eastern Conference. It's just not
ourselves and and Boston, you know, you got Washington, Like
you said, any Miami on any given night can beat
in the ditty. You got you got, look you got,
you got, you got Milwaukee tomorrow night. I mean there's
a perfect example. Let me that's kind of quickly here,
coaches Dwayne Casey joining us Man as she kind of

(01:59:33):
quickly here. Coach, Um, now you're in this kind of
enviable position of ah, you got if it ended today,
you'd be the one seed. We'll see if Boston gets
it together. They've been losing some games Cleveland. You think
they have a little bit better mojo. Um, do you
position yourself? You know? Do you position do you do
you look at the Winds lost column when it comes,
because last year Boston went for it right, but then

(01:59:55):
they didn't really position themselves in the playoffs and maybe
ran out of a little bit of gas in the plus,
could have lost to the Bulls if not for Rondo
getting hurt. Do you concern yourself at all with who
you're going to play and when you're going to play them,
or do you just, hey, you know what, let's get
the number one seed and let everybody else figure the
rest out. No. I think big picture wise, you always
want to be the conference happened, then let's let if

(02:00:15):
you can. I don't I don't believe in the fact
that you burn everybody out. Play Demard Rose in thirty
six minutes thirty eight minutes or whatever, and on the
way of trying to each night trying to get the
number one seed. If it happens in the in the
process and the course of of regular minutes of being distributed, fine,
but you don't want to burn yourself out trying to

(02:00:37):
get that. You know, we would love to have it.
We're gonna strive for it, but in the normal course
of play without burning out our starters and and having
that is the ultimate goal. All its more goals to
advance in the playoffs and be healthy and fresh once
the playoff starts, no matter who we play. Well, congrats
on the All Star Game win. Um, that was all coaching, coaching,

(02:00:59):
how it is, Um it was. Now listen, it's all coaching.
Goes down as the coaching win and best luck in
the second half season. We wish you nothing but success
and health for you and your team and your family.
Thanks for joining us, coach, Thank you so much, Doug,
Thank you buddy. All Right, that's Dwayne Casey joining us
on the Doug Gottlieb Show. Will Drew Brees stay with
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(02:01:46):
much anything to talk about. Two. We got some golf,
we got some football, We've got some hoop, we got
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(02:02:07):
today Getting the zone Auto Zone, Dan Buyer, hit mate,
you have that. Big news in college hoops. Missouri freshman
basketball player Michael Porter Jr. Has been cleared for all
basketball activities. Has missed all but one game this season,
where he played two minutes. Missouri right now eighteen and
ten this season three regular season games left for the
eighteen and ten Tigers, and right before they take on Kentucky,

(02:02:28):
of course, has a litany of talented freshman can't wait
to see the Porter brothers, his younger brother, of course,
playing on the team. His dad coaching on the team.
Hopefully he gets a chance to play against UK. Not
only was Missouri a d Jim Stirk find twenty five
grand by the SEC for comments he made about the
South Carolina women's basketball team, he's now facing a lawsuit
after he claimed South Carolina women's coach Don Staley supported

(02:02:49):
a racers atmosphere, which included fans spending on opposing players.
Staley has now sued the a D for seventy five
dollars for slander. Yeah, let's let's you know. The one
thing about suing somebody is, uh, you get disclosure and
if in fact Don Steely's uh, don Staley just just

(02:03:09):
suing because you think somebody to fame you, you have
to prove it and if you've done something wrong, it
will come out in court as well. Bucks forward the
honest a Denna compo, telling the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel he
could never see himself playing in Los Angeles, adding that
l A is great for two to three days, but
things can get crazy from there. They can get crazy. Um,
but this is like players telling fans we get the
greatest fans ever, right, every everybody. I could never live

(02:03:33):
there when it's seventy eight degrees every day and sunny
and people are better looking. I could never do that Milwaukee. Okay,
maybe I could, but I can't say that what he's
supposed to say. I could say, uh yeah, you're right,
Tiger once even for our seventy four shots back of
the lead at the hand the Classic. It's great for golf.
It's great for golf. Tiger in the hunt and as

(02:03:55):
we keep keep closer. I've told people a long time,
for a long time, I'm a Tiger stock older, not
sold that stock. Now that he's back, he can play
August with a blindfold and finish in the top ten.
There's your guy, BA, get out there and pressed. That
was the press, alright. Adam Vntieri signs a new deal.
Drew Brees signs a new deal. So good news for

(02:04:17):
guys in their third late thirties and early and mid forties.
I guess right. I'll be in the call of Arizona State, Oregon.
That's at eleven thirty East, eight thirty west. I love
the way he's on the State plays fast, shooting a
bunch of threes. Guard you Bobby Hurley's team. I'll see
if I'm getting to make a mean face at Me
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