January 7, 2020 • 24 mins
On today's edition of Straight Outta Vegas, RJ Bell and Jonas Knox discuss the new coaching hires around the NFL. RJ says Joe Judge may not be a great hire or great scheming coach, but he may be a good leader of men coming from the Saban and Belichick coaching tree. The guys also do some number crunching of the Patriots success over the last 10 years to truly show how much better they have been than the second best being the Seahawks. The guys cap the show off with an early look at the divisional round Vegas lines, and what RJ likes.
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You're listening to Fox Sports Real you go home. This
is straight out of Vegas with the voice of Vegas,
your host r J Bow, collect a scientist of the
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pregame show America has always wanted from the Veggest strip.
Here's r J. Bow. That's right. I'm r J live
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from Lost Vegas, two hundred Fox Sports radio stations across
this great nation. It's a Tuesday, but an action packed Tuesday,
and it's a special Tuesday. Usually we have the pros
who know. But I gotta pull back the curtain a
little bit and tell you that even though I'm approaching
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this show straight out of Vegas, differently, we're trying to
do it from a Vegas perspective. I've always thought Jonas
knocks part of the show. He's one of those classic
old school you can say debunked, you can say outdated.
I'm not gonna say that talk radio guys, and I
just wonder, do I have that gear? Could I go
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old school talk radio Mano Imano with Jonas? And I
thought today with coaching hires, with potential browns, who's next
and all of that, this would be the perfect day. Jonas.
I'm ready to go way to really get into sports
radio and get into the coal mines of sports talk radio.
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And that's weekend overnights. But since since we can't go
into weekend overnight here, we can start with a Vegas
Vegas lead on a day r J when we've got
the playoffs coming up in the NFL this weekend. Still
a lot to look at what happened last weekend in
the NFL wild Card round of the playoffs. But for
the Vegas folks, for you guys in Vegas, and you
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the voice of Vegas, what is the lead for you today?
You know something I'm deferring to you. This is since
this is a special show, it's not really a Vegas
show that I'm gonna listen when I'm there, it's a
Vegas show. But I'm gonna let you decide which of
the coaching hires do you think is the bigger story? Yeah?
I actually think the New York excuse me, the New
York Giants who made the decision to hire Joe Judge,
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the Patriots wide receivers coach, that was announced earlier today.
According to several reports, so the Giants have announced that
hiring of Joe Judge, and this comes after the Panthers
hired Matt Rule of Bay Taylor a seven year, sixty
million dollar contract for Rule that could be worth up
to seventy million dollars there in Carolina. Oh that's a
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nice one. Let's start with Judge New York City style.
Now what I'll say is this, if you want to
kind of have a joke about it, you want to
kind of giggle. He came out of nowhere. The first
Google return for Joe Judge is a baseball player for
the Washington Senators from the twenties. Now at one point
I think he did lead the league as first baseman
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assisting double plays. But still this is a situation where
the pedigree in the near recent past mighty good for Judge. Uh,
with Belichick since two thousand twelve and three years with
Saban at Alabama before that, don't do better than that.
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But before that, he was like at a Division three school.
So think about this in like two th eight, Division three,
and I don't know how much you know about these
low level, you know, small school coaches. They sometimes they're
making and I don't know exactly what he was making,
but it was a very modest salary. Ten years later
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and he's the head coach of the Giants. I mean,
in a way, it's a amazing story. The question is
he ready? So what's your gut feeling. I actually kind
of like it, um and I know it's their plan B.
But the fact that he's been mentored by Saban and
mentored by Belichick. They're not going to just take anybody
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under their wing unless they see somebody who's really driven,
somebody that they believe could turn out to to do
great things. Belichick's talked about what Bill Parcels did for
him and when he took him under his wing and
showed him sort of the ins and outs of of
certain coaching aspects that maybe people don't realize on the outside.
So he's got the support, he's got the experience, he's
got the mentorship. And we've seen coaches like this Allah
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John Harbaugh who was a special team's coach, never spent
time really as a coordinator, but got an opportunity, and
look what he's done in Baltimore, no doubt. Now calling
Cowherd right here in fs are made the point today
that Andy Reid is a mentor, that that's his a
natural state for him. And if you look at the
Andy Reid coaching tree what Harball is from then it's
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it's very uh successful. I think it's a fair thing.
Now Belichick's not so much. Now, remember Vrabel played for him,
didn't coach under him, So I don't think you can
put him in the Tennessee Titans success this year in
the mix. So what do we got? We got, Patricia,
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we got listen, a lot of optimism in Miami with
four a's, but I mean nothing really yet and otherwise
not a great You know, if we go back to
Romeo care now not a great man, man, Gene the
genius Maeno not great? Would you agree with that? Yeah? No,
but I would think that, you know, taking a more
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positive approach. So what you're saying, is there due like
one of these guys. I don't think like that. I
I don't like when I think of a guy that's
hasn't had a date for let's say two years, this
Friday night, even money, I'm saying, no day. Yeah, it
might might be a reason for that too. That's that's
how I approach you. That's the Vegas style. I know
it's not late night talk, but what I'll say is this,
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I think there's a reason for it that Belichick's tree
has not been successful, And to be candid, I don't
think it changes here. And here's what I believe the
reason to be. Imagine there's a couple of options on
how to coach a team. The first is the Tom
Landry let's go back in time kind of the CEO coach,
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the guy that doesn't even wear a headset, let's say.
And the reason is he's not thinking about the plays,
he's not thinking about coverages. He's thinking about bringing talent together.
He's thinking about making sure everyone's working on the right things,
they've got the resources they need. The old CEO coach,
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And we can think today, Uh, you know, a guy
like Peterson at Philly falls into the that criteria, whereas
it doesn't seem as if he's really involved in a
lot of things in the minutia of the detail, but
it comes together. Well. Now we'll see a lot of
people speculate Frank Reich was such a key part of
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that Super Bowl and after he's been gone, hasn't been
as good for Philly. Is that luck, you know, just randomness?
Is that about Reich being so vital? I don't know,
But there's a CEO coach, right, you agree? You see
though sometimes now you've got what uh Sean Paynton. I
think he falls into this category. I think Andy Reid does,
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which is a side of the ball guy, a guy
that says, I'm an offensive coordinator, and but I want
to get paid like a head coach, so give me
and I want to power, so give me the job.
I'll run the offense. I'll get a good, strong defensive coordinator.
And McVeigh I think fit into this exactly right with
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Wade Phillips. Let him handle the defense. He's like the
head coach on that side, and I'll coach the rest.
Now that's been pretty say. And I think that Naggy
falls in that category. And it feels like to me
that and again, these aren't very you know, these aren't
like black lines. I think you know you can say,
well this coach a little bit more. But in general,
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there's these categories, and I think a lot of the
talented coaches, the young talented coaches seem to fall into
their really good coordinators. And in business, we often talk
about where a guy becomes a sales manager because he's
a great salesman, but it's two different jobs and usually
you'll lose your best sales manager or I'm sorry, your
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best salesman to be a mediocre sales manager. And oftentimes
coordinators are great. Coordinators are great schematic guys, scheme guys,
not great leaders of men. And I think Naggi is
still quite frankly under you know, I think it's undecided
how good of a coach he is. I think he's
a great coordinator. I don't know how good of a
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head coach he is well. And I thought the way
Naggi handled the loss in the playoffs last year was
I thought it was a disaster. He made it all
about a double joint kick, and he paid no mind
to the fact that they had multiple opportunities to ice
the game. Their defense, which was supposedly best in the league,
gave up a sixtr drive at the end of regulation
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to a backup quarterback. But he had everybody focused on
the kicking competition instead of all right, what are we
doing now? And they just never felt right all season.
I agree, And I think once they started going south
this year, he didn't handle it all that well either,
at least from the outside. It didn't see him and
then fire a bunch of assistants after the season, and
who knows if that's his choice or the you know,
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front office saying you've got to do this right and
I don't know. Be sure to catch live editions of
Straight Out of Vegas weekdays at six pm Eastern, three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. What I know is Bill Belichick had four
losing years out of five with the Browns. The idea
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that you can just skip these steps of maturing, I
don't know. It's a modern idea that all because of
computers and all that these kids got it all figured out.
As we look back in hindsight now five years ago
we would have said who's the best coaches? It would
have been Belichick, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, John Harball, Tomlin.
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Is that list any different today? No? I think that
sounds about right. So McVeigh is the big wild card,
right because he's, you know, to me, the most successful
of the young bucks. But really, we're gonna see now,
aren't we, Because they spent a lot of money to
try to win in the last two years and they haven't.
Now those bills come due for the rams. I'm r
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J BO. Straight Out of Vegas. Now there's one last style.
It is the I'm gonna do it all. It's a director.
They called it the art tour theory, that hey, it's Spielberg,
he's got to figure it out. You've got a problem
with the camera, He'll jump over and run the camera.
Kubrick was like this, the guys that they owned the
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making of the film and it was their film. They
were the artists that mattered. And I think with Belichick,
no doubt. Oh you've got a problem on defense, I'll
jump over their special teams, I'll jump over there. It's
at depth of knowledge that they're the best at everything.
They're only one of them, but they can put it
all together because they have that deep, deep knowledge. I
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think there's only one Belichick. I know there's only one,
and I think what we're seeing is some of his
coaching tree. They learned under that approach that the head
guy is a genius approach, and they're not geniuses. And
I don't care about rocket scientists. You might be a
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good rocket scientist. I'm talking about a football genius. And Patricia,
he seems no nonsense. He seems stubborn, He seems to
want to be involved in everything, but he doesn't have
the pedigree where the players say, yeah, it makes sense
he's doing this. And I think we forget that Belichick
was what fifty years old when he took over for
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the you know, Patriots. So here we are at fifty having,
you know, with Super Bowl rings dangling around his neck
like too many to put on your hands with you know,
the Giants and Parcels. And then he you know, obviously
was with the Pats when they went and played against
the Packers, when Parcels was there so as pedigreed as
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you get and already having five years to make his mistakes,
and he did with the Browns, and it seemed like
he learned from them. So as you look at it, Jonas,
do you see that perhaps it's the style that these
Belichick disciples tried to coach without being Belichick that might
be the problem. Yeah, I think so, because I mean
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even McDaniels. McDaniels got off to a great start when
he took over in Denver and then it just went,
i mean to complete crap and and his reputation took
a hit. He was not well liked in the building.
Like I've talked to people that were in Denver that
covered the team at the time, they said it was
just a disaster. So it's almost like they're coming in
there with a Belichick background, but not really any of
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the credentials to go along with it. And I wonder
if that's where the mistakes are made. I think so,
And maybe as they're now moving into the third generation
of his disciples, his tree, maybe they're gonna learn from it,
and maybe Floraz is. And it strikes me that Patrick,
that there is that stubbornness right there, is that my
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way or the highway. And there's also the sense of all,
if you're gonna be that way, you've got to know
best about everything. Whereas in business oftentimes, you know, if
you listen to all the A plus business guys, the
guys that were in the big companies, they're often talking about, well,
I want to hire the guy that's smarter than me
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at this and let him do his thing, and I
want to empower him. And the funny thing was there
was probably one coach that he could never find someone
smarter than him, Belichick, so he did it differently. It
just seems like maybe that is the problem. So when
I look at Judge, I love the pedigree of Blochick
in general. Though we've just raised the issue of the
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super coach thing. I also love Saban. I love that
he was in a humble place, you know where ten
years ago he was in division you know three or
whatever it was. And I also like the fact that
he was a full a quarterback in college but didn't start.
So the guys that are super successful, they often struggle
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with coaches. It's usually those backup quarterbacks that do better,
don't you think. Yeah. And I also don't discount this
at all because as much as I like the higher
because it's different and I'm curious to see if it
will work. I think Dave Gettlman is the type of
guy who makes out of the box decisions hoping that
it works and he can get all the praise afterwards. Hey,
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you gotta wonder though, he he has to know this
is his last shot, right. Yeah. I mean old habits
die hard. I mean he took Daniel Jones was very questionable.
People didn't understand why he took him where he took him.
He got criticized for the sake Kwon Barkley pick because
as you look now, he's a great player. But Sam
Donald was on the board. Why wouldn't you take your
franchise quarter? Oh wait, ho ho ho, you're saying right now,
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this is like this is weekend stuff here. You're saying,
right now, you'd rather have Sam Darna around your team
than bark No, no, no, right now, I'm saying. At
the time when the decision was made, people looked at
Dave Getleman like, what what are you doing? You can
I know, but that was that was sort of the
Dave Getleman's very stubborn. He's got it, he's got an approach,
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he wants to do something a little bit different, and
that's been the knock on Gettleman. So at the time
of both those draft picks, he was criticized for him.
I defended him. I said, look, take the best player available.
If Barkley is the best player available, you take him.
And Daniel Jones played really well at times this season,
So I just wonder if Gettleman still has that in
him to where I'm gonna make it out of the
box higher and I'm gonna get all the credit for
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it if it works. So who would you want right
now and your on your roster Barkley or Donald? Oh?
Jeez um Barkley, He's had a better career. Yeah, I mean, listen,
I still make the case that the way Donald played
in his second year, that there's no quarterback that's elite
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today that play that poorly in his second year. Yeah,
he gets a lot of a lot of free passes.
Oh my gosh. I mean, I don't know how it works.
There must be some kind of slush fund in media.
All right, so this is what we're gonna do. We've
gone over the Joe Judge higher, and I think there's
an open question with that too, is did the Giants panic?
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I can't imagine the Browns were, you know, all anxious
to hire Joe Judge. Maybe, but it was like, you know,
you lose your guy Rule and then all of a sudden,
you gotta make a quick higher to try to win
the news cycle. Right. It's not about news cycles, right,
It's about winning in the playoffs, and the Giants haven't
done that for a while. I can't predict what is
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gonna happen with Judge, but it felt a little quick
to me. It felt a little quick right after Rule
said no, no, no. So when we come back, we're
gonna talk about this higher. I think there's a part
of it from the owner's perspective. The boats very very
well for the Carolina Panthers. That's coming up next. He's
r J. Bel. I'm Jonas Knox. Is the pre game
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show you've always wanted right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Be sure to catch live editions of Straight Out of
Vegas weekdays at six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific. I'm
r J. Bell, and we are Straight out of Vegas
and I'm Jonas Knocks Voice of You the Fan, r J.
The playoffs in the NFL continue this weekend, but it's
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sort of an unfamiliar feeling to the playoffs because the
Patriots are out after losing to the Titans at Foxboro. Yeah,
and this is one where I just think, sometimes you
keep saying the same thing, you know, like I always
hear you saying Brad Pitt is so good looking, right,
and you keep saying it, and you say it and
you say it, and it loses its meat. I can't
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stop exactly And again, I know judgment, but here's what
I'll say. He is good looking. Come on. Here's the thing. Though.
The Patriots are so good, they've been so good it
deserved to be quantified. So what I did and pregame
dot com rece urch mackenzie headed this up. I had
an idea. I said, let's quantify, let's figure out what
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it means to succeed in the NFL. And I kept
as simple, simple as best. You make the playoffs, you
get a point. For every round you advance, you get
a point. So that's it. And if you win the
super Bowl you get an extra point. So super Bowl
wins five with the New England did this year one
they made the playoffs, they got a point. Didn't advance.
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Now you make the playoffs and get a bye, you
get two points because you advanced around. Doesn't you earn
that during the regular season. So it's really that simple.
Make the playoffs, lose, you get one. Get to the
second round, however you do, you get to get to
the third round, you get three. Get to the super
Bowl and lose, you get four. You win the super Bowl,
you get five. All right, we went ten years. That's
a nice round number. New England has a thirty five points.
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I'm gonna let you pick two other teams. You haven't
seen this list, and I think the odds are your
two teams won't have as many points as New England. Okay,
so two other teams over the last ten years that
have advanced the most in the playoffs. All right, I'm
gonna go the Steelers, and I'm gonna go, by the way,
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no matter who you pick, you lose, I know, and
I'm gonna go. Jeez, the Packers. Okay, the Packers were third,
they had eighteen points. Steelers were six with fourteen points.
So that adds up to thirty two. Oh, by the way,
New England has thirty five. I mean, think about that,
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is there's only two teams if you combine them, that
beat them. Seattle was number two with twenty points. Green
Bay has eighteen. So green Bay in Seattle eight Denverse
fourth with fifteen. So literally pretty much, except for one coupling,
any two teams, no matter how successful, have advanced less
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in the playoffs than the New England Patriots. And that
counts this year. I meaning, you know, they got one
point this year. This is their bad year. Now as
this season progressed, you know, green Bay advances more, they
get some more points, right, but it really is a
situation that they are. Their performance of the Patriots in
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the playoffs literally double any other two teams, and to me,
I don't think we. I mean, think about Michael Jordan's
scoring uh fifty eight points on average and the second
best score having twenty nine. I mean, that's what we're
talking about here, right, is one team doing doubly as
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well as any other team. And by the way, you
look at a team like Philadelphia, you think, hey, pretty
good run. Huh they have ten points ten verses thirty five.
I mean Indianapolis nine points. All this Andrew Luck talk
blah blah blah, nine advancement points ver just thirty five.
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It's insane. The Cowboys six six advancement points versus thirty five.
This New England is in another universe. And I just
don't you know, if if there's anything I can do
in the national media, it's gonna be Let's not let
that be forgotten how great New England is. By the way,
they're not playing this weekend, but we do have Tennessee
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nine and a half point underdogs at Baltimore. Yeah, it's
the Titans nine and a half point underdogs at Baltimore.
And this game coming up on Saturday night r J
nine and a half on pregame dot Com is the
Baltimore Tennessee. Yes, yea to me, I think that there's one,
and we'll be given some picks out soon enough. Here.
I do think the following. Baltimore likes to blitz, and
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I think the way you stop the blitz is running
the ball and have a mobile quarterback. So I think
we're gonna see Tennessee get their points. I also think
you're gonna see Baltimore get their points. So my gut
feeling right now is going to be the over in
the game. But we'll get to it. Yeah. And then
also we've got on that Saturday, the Vikings and the
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forty Niners will match up. And obviously you took a
victory lap yesterday calling the Minnesota Vikings plus the seven
and a half at New Orleans, they get their overtime win.
Now they find themselves seven point underdogs at San Fran
coming up on Saturday, and I certainly enjoyed the victory
laugh we were right about it. But here's the thing,
and this is why this show I think approaches things
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not just pure Vegas, is that you did some reading
a couple of years ago, literally remembered about cousins, remembered
about his uh propensity to be let's say, very driven
by a schedule to be routine based. And we did
the research and uncovered one o'clock starts. He's as good
as anyone, non one o'clock starts, cousins as bad as anyone.
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So this game again feels similar, but it's not at
one o'clock eastern. So I'm looking San Francisco or passing
this game myself. The odd Couple is next on many
of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates. We are straight out
of Vegas. We will be back tomorrow six pm Eastern time,
three o'clock Pacific, right here on Fox Sports Radio as
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we continue to look ahead to the NFL Divisional playoffs
coming up this weekend. You can check out check us
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your host r J Bow, collect a scientist of the
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pregame show America has always wanted from the Veggest strip.
Here's r J. Bow. That's right. I'm r J live
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from Lost Vegas, two hundred Fox Sports radio stations across
this great nation. It's a Tuesday, but an action packed Tuesday,
and it's a special Tuesday. Usually we have the pros
who know. But I gotta pull back the curtain a
little bit and tell you that even though I'm approaching
(01:21):
this show straight out of Vegas, differently, we're trying to
do it from a Vegas perspective. I've always thought Jonas
knocks part of the show. He's one of those classic
old school you can say debunked, you can say outdated.
I'm not gonna say that talk radio guys, and I
just wonder, do I have that gear? Could I go
(01:42):
old school talk radio Mano Imano with Jonas? And I
thought today with coaching hires, with potential browns, who's next
and all of that, this would be the perfect day. Jonas.
I'm ready to go way to really get into sports
radio and get into the coal mines of sports talk radio.
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And that's weekend overnights. But since since we can't go
into weekend overnight here, we can start with a Vegas
Vegas lead on a day r J when we've got
the playoffs coming up in the NFL this weekend. Still
a lot to look at what happened last weekend in
the NFL wild Card round of the playoffs. But for
the Vegas folks, for you guys in Vegas, and you
(02:25):
the voice of Vegas, what is the lead for you today?
You know something I'm deferring to you. This is since
this is a special show, it's not really a Vegas
show that I'm gonna listen when I'm there, it's a
Vegas show. But I'm gonna let you decide which of
the coaching hires do you think is the bigger story? Yeah?
I actually think the New York excuse me, the New
York Giants who made the decision to hire Joe Judge,
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the Patriots wide receivers coach, that was announced earlier today.
According to several reports, so the Giants have announced that
hiring of Joe Judge, and this comes after the Panthers
hired Matt Rule of Bay Taylor a seven year, sixty
million dollar contract for Rule that could be worth up
to seventy million dollars there in Carolina. Oh that's a
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nice one. Let's start with Judge New York City style.
Now what I'll say is this, if you want to
kind of have a joke about it, you want to
kind of giggle. He came out of nowhere. The first
Google return for Joe Judge is a baseball player for
the Washington Senators from the twenties. Now at one point
I think he did lead the league as first baseman
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assisting double plays. But still this is a situation where
the pedigree in the near recent past mighty good for Judge. Uh,
with Belichick since two thousand twelve and three years with
Saban at Alabama before that, don't do better than that.
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But before that, he was like at a Division three school.
So think about this in like two th eight, Division three,
and I don't know how much you know about these
low level, you know, small school coaches. They sometimes they're
making and I don't know exactly what he was making,
but it was a very modest salary. Ten years later
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and he's the head coach of the Giants. I mean,
in a way, it's a amazing story. The question is
he ready? So what's your gut feeling. I actually kind
of like it, um and I know it's their plan B.
But the fact that he's been mentored by Saban and
mentored by Belichick. They're not going to just take anybody
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under their wing unless they see somebody who's really driven,
somebody that they believe could turn out to to do
great things. Belichick's talked about what Bill Parcels did for
him and when he took him under his wing and
showed him sort of the ins and outs of of
certain coaching aspects that maybe people don't realize on the outside.
So he's got the support, he's got the experience, he's
got the mentorship. And we've seen coaches like this Allah
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John Harbaugh who was a special team's coach, never spent
time really as a coordinator, but got an opportunity, and
look what he's done in Baltimore, no doubt. Now calling
Cowherd right here in fs are made the point today
that Andy Reid is a mentor, that that's his a
natural state for him. And if you look at the
Andy Reid coaching tree what Harball is from then it's
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it's very uh successful. I think it's a fair thing.
Now Belichick's not so much. Now, remember Vrabel played for him,
didn't coach under him, So I don't think you can
put him in the Tennessee Titans success this year in
the mix. So what do we got? We got, Patricia,
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we got listen, a lot of optimism in Miami with
four a's, but I mean nothing really yet and otherwise
not a great You know, if we go back to
Romeo care now not a great man, man, Gene the
genius Maeno not great? Would you agree with that? Yeah? No,
but I would think that, you know, taking a more
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positive approach. So what you're saying, is there due like
one of these guys. I don't think like that. I
I don't like when I think of a guy that's
hasn't had a date for let's say two years, this
Friday night, even money, I'm saying, no day. Yeah, it
might might be a reason for that too. That's that's
how I approach you. That's the Vegas style. I know
it's not late night talk, but what I'll say is this,
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I think there's a reason for it that Belichick's tree
has not been successful, And to be candid, I don't
think it changes here. And here's what I believe the
reason to be. Imagine there's a couple of options on
how to coach a team. The first is the Tom
Landry let's go back in time kind of the CEO coach,
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the guy that doesn't even wear a headset, let's say.
And the reason is he's not thinking about the plays,
he's not thinking about coverages. He's thinking about bringing talent together.
He's thinking about making sure everyone's working on the right things,
they've got the resources they need. The old CEO coach,
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And we can think today, Uh, you know, a guy
like Peterson at Philly falls into the that criteria, whereas
it doesn't seem as if he's really involved in a
lot of things in the minutia of the detail, but
it comes together. Well. Now we'll see a lot of
people speculate Frank Reich was such a key part of
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that Super Bowl and after he's been gone, hasn't been
as good for Philly. Is that luck, you know, just randomness?
Is that about Reich being so vital? I don't know,
But there's a CEO coach, right, you agree? You see
though sometimes now you've got what uh Sean Paynton. I
think he falls into this category. I think Andy Reid does,
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which is a side of the ball guy, a guy
that says, I'm an offensive coordinator, and but I want
to get paid like a head coach, so give me
and I want to power, so give me the job.
I'll run the offense. I'll get a good, strong defensive coordinator.
And McVeigh I think fit into this exactly right with
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Wade Phillips. Let him handle the defense. He's like the
head coach on that side, and I'll coach the rest.
Now that's been pretty say. And I think that Naggy
falls in that category. And it feels like to me
that and again, these aren't very you know, these aren't
like black lines. I think you know you can say,
well this coach a little bit more. But in general,
(08:39):
there's these categories, and I think a lot of the
talented coaches, the young talented coaches seem to fall into
their really good coordinators. And in business, we often talk
about where a guy becomes a sales manager because he's
a great salesman, but it's two different jobs and usually
you'll lose your best sales manager or I'm sorry, your
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best salesman to be a mediocre sales manager. And oftentimes
coordinators are great. Coordinators are great schematic guys, scheme guys,
not great leaders of men. And I think Naggi is
still quite frankly under you know, I think it's undecided
how good of a coach he is. I think he's
a great coordinator. I don't know how good of a
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head coach he is well. And I thought the way
Naggi handled the loss in the playoffs last year was
I thought it was a disaster. He made it all
about a double joint kick, and he paid no mind
to the fact that they had multiple opportunities to ice
the game. Their defense, which was supposedly best in the league,
gave up a sixtr drive at the end of regulation
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to a backup quarterback. But he had everybody focused on
the kicking competition instead of all right, what are we
doing now? And they just never felt right all season.
I agree, And I think once they started going south
this year, he didn't handle it all that well either,
at least from the outside. It didn't see him and
then fire a bunch of assistants after the season, and
who knows if that's his choice or the you know,
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front office saying you've got to do this right and
I don't know. Be sure to catch live editions of
Straight Out of Vegas weekdays at six pm Eastern, three
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio app. What I know is Bill Belichick had four
losing years out of five with the Browns. The idea
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that you can just skip these steps of maturing, I
don't know. It's a modern idea that all because of
computers and all that these kids got it all figured out.
As we look back in hindsight now five years ago
we would have said who's the best coaches? It would
have been Belichick, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, John Harball, Tomlin.
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Is that list any different today? No? I think that
sounds about right. So McVeigh is the big wild card,
right because he's, you know, to me, the most successful
of the young bucks. But really, we're gonna see now,
aren't we, Because they spent a lot of money to
try to win in the last two years and they haven't.
Now those bills come due for the rams. I'm r
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J BO. Straight Out of Vegas. Now there's one last style.
It is the I'm gonna do it all. It's a director.
They called it the art tour theory, that hey, it's Spielberg,
he's got to figure it out. You've got a problem
with the camera, He'll jump over and run the camera.
Kubrick was like this, the guys that they owned the
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making of the film and it was their film. They
were the artists that mattered. And I think with Belichick,
no doubt. Oh you've got a problem on defense, I'll
jump over their special teams, I'll jump over there. It's
at depth of knowledge that they're the best at everything.
They're only one of them, but they can put it
all together because they have that deep, deep knowledge. I
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think there's only one Belichick. I know there's only one,
and I think what we're seeing is some of his
coaching tree. They learned under that approach that the head
guy is a genius approach, and they're not geniuses. And
I don't care about rocket scientists. You might be a
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good rocket scientist. I'm talking about a football genius. And Patricia,
he seems no nonsense. He seems stubborn, He seems to
want to be involved in everything, but he doesn't have
the pedigree where the players say, yeah, it makes sense
he's doing this. And I think we forget that Belichick
was what fifty years old when he took over for
(12:39):
the you know, Patriots. So here we are at fifty having,
you know, with Super Bowl rings dangling around his neck
like too many to put on your hands with you know,
the Giants and Parcels. And then he you know, obviously
was with the Pats when they went and played against
the Packers, when Parcels was there so as pedigreed as
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you get and already having five years to make his mistakes,
and he did with the Browns, and it seemed like
he learned from them. So as you look at it, Jonas,
do you see that perhaps it's the style that these
Belichick disciples tried to coach without being Belichick that might
be the problem. Yeah, I think so, because I mean
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even McDaniels. McDaniels got off to a great start when
he took over in Denver and then it just went,
i mean to complete crap and and his reputation took
a hit. He was not well liked in the building.
Like I've talked to people that were in Denver that
covered the team at the time, they said it was
just a disaster. So it's almost like they're coming in
there with a Belichick background, but not really any of
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the credentials to go along with it. And I wonder
if that's where the mistakes are made. I think so,
And maybe as they're now moving into the third generation
of his disciples, his tree, maybe they're gonna learn from it,
and maybe Floraz is. And it strikes me that Patrick,
that there is that stubbornness right there, is that my
(14:07):
way or the highway. And there's also the sense of all,
if you're gonna be that way, you've got to know
best about everything. Whereas in business oftentimes, you know, if
you listen to all the A plus business guys, the
guys that were in the big companies, they're often talking about, well,
I want to hire the guy that's smarter than me
(14:27):
at this and let him do his thing, and I
want to empower him. And the funny thing was there
was probably one coach that he could never find someone
smarter than him, Belichick, so he did it differently. It
just seems like maybe that is the problem. So when
I look at Judge, I love the pedigree of Blochick
in general. Though we've just raised the issue of the
(14:50):
super coach thing. I also love Saban. I love that
he was in a humble place, you know where ten
years ago he was in division you know three or
whatever it was. And I also like the fact that
he was a full a quarterback in college but didn't start.
So the guys that are super successful, they often struggle
(15:10):
with coaches. It's usually those backup quarterbacks that do better,
don't you think. Yeah. And I also don't discount this
at all because as much as I like the higher
because it's different and I'm curious to see if it
will work. I think Dave Gettlman is the type of
guy who makes out of the box decisions hoping that
it works and he can get all the praise afterwards. Hey,
(15:30):
you gotta wonder though, he he has to know this
is his last shot, right. Yeah. I mean old habits
die hard. I mean he took Daniel Jones was very questionable.
People didn't understand why he took him where he took him.
He got criticized for the sake Kwon Barkley pick because
as you look now, he's a great player. But Sam
Donald was on the board. Why wouldn't you take your
franchise quarter? Oh wait, ho ho ho, you're saying right now,
(15:52):
this is like this is weekend stuff here. You're saying,
right now, you'd rather have Sam Darna around your team
than bark No, no, no, right now, I'm saying. At
the time when the decision was made, people looked at
Dave Getleman like, what what are you doing? You can
I know, but that was that was sort of the
Dave Getleman's very stubborn. He's got it, he's got an approach,
(16:13):
he wants to do something a little bit different, and
that's been the knock on Gettleman. So at the time
of both those draft picks, he was criticized for him.
I defended him. I said, look, take the best player available.
If Barkley is the best player available, you take him.
And Daniel Jones played really well at times this season,
So I just wonder if Gettleman still has that in
him to where I'm gonna make it out of the
box higher and I'm gonna get all the credit for
(16:34):
it if it works. So who would you want right
now and your on your roster Barkley or Donald? Oh?
Jeez um Barkley, He's had a better career. Yeah, I mean, listen,
I still make the case that the way Donald played
in his second year, that there's no quarterback that's elite
(16:55):
today that play that poorly in his second year. Yeah,
he gets a lot of a lot of free passes.
Oh my gosh. I mean, I don't know how it works.
There must be some kind of slush fund in media.
All right, so this is what we're gonna do. We've
gone over the Joe Judge higher, and I think there's
an open question with that too, is did the Giants panic?
(17:17):
I can't imagine the Browns were, you know, all anxious
to hire Joe Judge. Maybe, but it was like, you know,
you lose your guy Rule and then all of a sudden,
you gotta make a quick higher to try to win
the news cycle. Right. It's not about news cycles, right,
It's about winning in the playoffs, and the Giants haven't
done that for a while. I can't predict what is
(17:39):
gonna happen with Judge, but it felt a little quick
to me. It felt a little quick right after Rule
said no, no, no. So when we come back, we're
gonna talk about this higher. I think there's a part
of it from the owner's perspective. The boats very very
well for the Carolina Panthers. That's coming up next. He's
r J. Bel. I'm Jonas Knox. Is the pre game
(18:00):
show you've always wanted right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Be sure to catch live editions of Straight Out of
Vegas weekdays at six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific. I'm
r J. Bell, and we are Straight out of Vegas
and I'm Jonas Knocks Voice of You the Fan, r J.
The playoffs in the NFL continue this weekend, but it's
(18:20):
sort of an unfamiliar feeling to the playoffs because the
Patriots are out after losing to the Titans at Foxboro. Yeah,
and this is one where I just think, sometimes you
keep saying the same thing, you know, like I always
hear you saying Brad Pitt is so good looking, right,
and you keep saying it, and you say it and
you say it, and it loses its meat. I can't
(18:42):
stop exactly And again, I know judgment, but here's what
I'll say. He is good looking. Come on. Here's the thing. Though.
The Patriots are so good, they've been so good it
deserved to be quantified. So what I did and pregame
dot com rece urch mackenzie headed this up. I had
an idea. I said, let's quantify, let's figure out what
(19:06):
it means to succeed in the NFL. And I kept
as simple, simple as best. You make the playoffs, you
get a point. For every round you advance, you get
a point. So that's it. And if you win the
super Bowl you get an extra point. So super Bowl
wins five with the New England did this year one
they made the playoffs, they got a point. Didn't advance.
(19:29):
Now you make the playoffs and get a bye, you
get two points because you advanced around. Doesn't you earn
that during the regular season. So it's really that simple.
Make the playoffs, lose, you get one. Get to the
second round, however you do, you get to get to
the third round, you get three. Get to the super
Bowl and lose, you get four. You win the super Bowl,
you get five. All right, we went ten years. That's
a nice round number. New England has a thirty five points.
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I'm gonna let you pick two other teams. You haven't
seen this list, and I think the odds are your
two teams won't have as many points as New England. Okay,
so two other teams over the last ten years that
have advanced the most in the playoffs. All right, I'm
gonna go the Steelers, and I'm gonna go, by the way,
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no matter who you pick, you lose, I know, and
I'm gonna go. Jeez, the Packers. Okay, the Packers were third,
they had eighteen points. Steelers were six with fourteen points.
So that adds up to thirty two. Oh, by the way,
New England has thirty five. I mean, think about that,
(20:36):
is there's only two teams if you combine them, that
beat them. Seattle was number two with twenty points. Green
Bay has eighteen. So green Bay in Seattle eight Denverse
fourth with fifteen. So literally pretty much, except for one coupling,
any two teams, no matter how successful, have advanced less
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in the playoffs than the New England Patriots. And that
counts this year. I meaning, you know, they got one
point this year. This is their bad year. Now as
this season progressed, you know, green Bay advances more, they
get some more points, right, but it really is a
situation that they are. Their performance of the Patriots in
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the playoffs literally double any other two teams, and to me,
I don't think we. I mean, think about Michael Jordan's
scoring uh fifty eight points on average and the second
best score having twenty nine. I mean, that's what we're
talking about here, right, is one team doing doubly as
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well as any other team. And by the way, you
look at a team like Philadelphia, you think, hey, pretty
good run. Huh they have ten points ten verses thirty five.
I mean Indianapolis nine points. All this Andrew Luck talk
blah blah blah, nine advancement points ver just thirty five.
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It's insane. The Cowboys six six advancement points versus thirty five.
This New England is in another universe. And I just
don't you know, if if there's anything I can do
in the national media, it's gonna be Let's not let
that be forgotten how great New England is. By the way,
they're not playing this weekend, but we do have Tennessee
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nine and a half point underdogs at Baltimore. Yeah, it's
the Titans nine and a half point underdogs at Baltimore.
And this game coming up on Saturday night r J
nine and a half on pregame dot Com is the
Baltimore Tennessee. Yes, yea to me, I think that there's one,
and we'll be given some picks out soon enough. Here.
I do think the following. Baltimore likes to blitz, and
(22:47):
I think the way you stop the blitz is running
the ball and have a mobile quarterback. So I think
we're gonna see Tennessee get their points. I also think
you're gonna see Baltimore get their points. So my gut
feeling right now is going to be the over in
the game. But we'll get to it. Yeah. And then
also we've got on that Saturday, the Vikings and the
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forty Niners will match up. And obviously you took a
victory lap yesterday calling the Minnesota Vikings plus the seven
and a half at New Orleans, they get their overtime win.
Now they find themselves seven point underdogs at San Fran
coming up on Saturday, and I certainly enjoyed the victory
laugh we were right about it. But here's the thing,
and this is why this show I think approaches things
(23:29):
not just pure Vegas, is that you did some reading
a couple of years ago, literally remembered about cousins, remembered
about his uh propensity to be let's say, very driven
by a schedule to be routine based. And we did
the research and uncovered one o'clock starts. He's as good
as anyone, non one o'clock starts, cousins as bad as anyone.
(23:53):
So this game again feels similar, but it's not at
one o'clock eastern. So I'm looking San Francisco or passing
this game myself. The odd Couple is next on many
of these Fox Sports Radio affiliates. We are straight out
of Vegas. We will be back tomorrow six pm Eastern time,
three o'clock Pacific, right here on Fox Sports Radio as
(24:14):
we continue to look ahead to the NFL Divisional playoffs
coming up this weekend. You can check out check us
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