August 15, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan and Monse in for C&R as they discuss the punishment handed down on Michigan football by the NCAA. Dan and Monse put their final thoughts on the Taylor Swift appearance with the Kelce brothers on their record setting podcast. Dan and Monse discuss the Dodgers' woes.
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
I just looked at the calendar, Monci, and you know what,
I realized, It's Friday. It's Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday. Now,
the guys probably did that eight hours earlier when they
are in for Dan Patrick here on Fox Sports Radio.
But it is Monty Belanos and myself Dan Buyer in
for Cavino and Rich today. There is no Dandy g
(00:41):
There is at Jason S Jason Stewart, Hello, let's call
him Gosh. Chris. You've been to so many places, lived
in so many places. I feel like Toledo Chris could
be a way that we could call you instead of Iowa, Sam.
Is that good?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I think someone else calls me usc Chris as well.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Oh see a lot of different names, just like New
York and Philly. Sam. Isaac Lohenkron is at the news desk.
What's going on, Isaac?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
On Airbnb.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Love it Elijah and Sager doing their stuff on the video.
So glad to have you with us, Bo Benson and
Ryan Ryan Berschinger in the back doing all of the
work that we need as well. Welcome in. It is
Fox Sports Radios, Cavino and Rich here on a Friday.
We already did that one hundred and twenty seconds ago.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I think I just do excited. Okay, you can don't
take away.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Only people more excited than you are those in ann Arbor.
And I'll tell you what the guts now, the guts
of these people. As this story continues to develop, even
when you think it's over, Michigan handed down their NC
double A sanctions today and now we're getting word Isaac
reported it that from I'm not sure who broke it first,
that Michigan is appealing the penalties handed down by the
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NC double A man.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The audacity, No the ball here, your appeal. You know
you appeal something when you when you didn't do it.
Isn't that the way it's supposed to go.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I'm appealing something because you have false me, falsely accused
me of something. But we know that they cheated. We
know the KGB operation. We know that, and now you're
gonna appeal.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
After trying to cover up all of the evidence. Yes,
it's yes.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
And you know, the Wolverine fan base is probably like, yeah,
that's right, We're gonna appeal.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
That's right, and you know what, they're not gonna find
us anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, what do they have to lose. They've already got off,
you know, basically not entirely scott free, but feeling pretty
much pretty close. There's gonna be some stuff taken out
of their wallet, but not the punishment that that few
of us, a few of us wanted Michigan to receive,
and now they're appealing it. There is something with there
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is there's something with being falsely accused of something. Then
there's the difference between that and then being not exonerated
but getting off with a very very light penalty and
essentially getting away with it. And that's what I think
that we're weighing here. Like you, I'm sorry, there is
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not a Michigan fan around that can say that we
didn't do anything. And not only did they not do anything,
they didn't do anything on multiple occasions. Mazi mentions the
KGB portion of it, which is I just love that
I'm sorry, which was part of the scheme that they
had in the sign that the label of the sign
stealing scandal. This was the message from the Chief hearing
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Officer for the NCAA Committee on Infractions said on the scandal,
and I'm going to read this quote the true quote.
The true scope and scale of the scheme, including the
competitive advantage it afforded, will never be fully known due
to individuals intentional destruction and withholding of materials and information.
But the intent was clear to gain a substantial competitive advantage.
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You don't put together a network of individuals called the
KGB that records what they call dirty film, where the
cost of doing this is in the tens of thousands
of dollars over three seasons, unless you intend to gain
a substantial competitive advantage. The words are much stronger than
the punishment. Yeah, and what was ultimately handed down. But
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there has to be a way where I know Michigan
fans are skipping in the streets of ann Arbor, probably
enjoying their wonderful three day weekend up in the up
celebrating up nice. Yes, the Upper Peninsula. Any chance we
have an opportunity to mention it second straight day here
on Fox Sports Radio. By the way, we've talked about
the Upper Peninsula. Any opportunity that they can have to
celebrate this they can, and now to appeal that it
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is it's just it's in their face. It's it's to
everybody else's is like watch this now, well, now watch
what we're gonna do. We got away with all this
other stuff. Actually going to try to appeal it and
get less of a penalty.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I know, it's really rich. You get a slap on
the wrist, and then you're mad about the slap on
the wrist. Don't you dare slap me on the wrist?
That's what they're saying. I can't. I cannot believe they're
appealing it.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
What a what a joke they're making of the n
C double A.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I it's and because they can probably that's it's probably
the reason why. And then there really aren't any direct
effects to hinder this Michigan football team except you run
more getting a game suspension or a couple of game suspension.
So those are the things that are things that the
Michigan football team is going to have to deal with
this year. But that pales in comparison to what it
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could have been or what should have been from the
back end of it. But it does provide a bigger picture.
I just I balanced the the I'm actually innocent to
the I got away with it, like I can understand.
That's like I didn't I didn't know that. I wasn't
I wasn't sure of it. I didn't know this rule.
Maybe you were a naive or maybe weren't even involved
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at all. But I just don't think that getting away
with the easier penalty is reason to celebrate something as
opposed to not doing anything at all.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Oh no, you're one hundred percent right. But the thing
is they are going to celebrate. They're probably celebrating more
than they were before over that championship. Now they're like, look,
we are invincible. Yes, that is how I would feel
right now if I was in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'm trying to take it into real world terms, in
terms of like a speeding ticket, okay, or some sort
of like traffic enforcement. I got busted for something I
didn't do twelve years ago at the intersection right outside
of work. I didn't do anything wrong, and I got
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pulled over and got a ticket for what they said
I did, even though I didn't do it, and it
still bothers me to this day that I didn't fight
it to the lengths that I should have fought it.
I ultimately just took the punishment and let it go away.
But in my heart of arts, I know that I
was wrong. The complete exact opposite, I think is is
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this is the jubilee that you would get for knowing
that you did it, did it on your own terms,
and then hardly had to pay the price for it.
Like there's they don't feel guilty about this. This isn't
This isn't cheating on a on a spouse and having
remorse or a significant other and then all please come back. No,
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this is this is none of that. This is embezzling
all these dollars and then spending it and living the
life of Riley and then coming back and getting a
slap on the wrist.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah, it's like they're justifying it in their own way,
you know, like Ross Scaler justifying cheating on or Rachel
Green because they were on a break. That's what Michigan
is doing right now, trying to justify it. Oh, it's
a technicality, this is we didn't break any rules.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Get out of here with that mess. So I got
time for that.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Jason Stewart's our executive producer.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Hey, I got a great example. This is a real
happy one for our Cavino and rich audience, real life example.
And tell me if I'm wrong. You talk about, uh,
the punishment coming up way short of the crime and
walking away from something, being able to never say that
you were innocent and everyone knows you did something bad.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
P Diddy, Yes or no?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I hear what you're trying to go with it. I
guess yes.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
It seemed like a consensus at least from the legal community,
that he got away with so much and walked away
with a light slap on the wrist, and the reaction
from his fan base and from the people that still
respect the guy for some reason was Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
What would O J be be? I mean, it is
a perfect We know that he did it, and he understood,
but then we understood that he did it, but yet
he gets cleared, Like these are all these are all
trials that that we're going through where the outcome is
(09:14):
And I feel that I'm even just trying to think
of like in your in your daily life, when when
you're late and your flying down a getting traffic enforcement.
You're flying down the freeway and you go eighty five
the whole way and make it to work and or
make it to where you need to go. Like there's
you know, there's something something to that. What I think
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would be a high or high is maybe getting stopped
and then.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Holding yes yeah, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And that's where I feel like like Michigan is of
like they just maybe they didn't have the radar gun
going at the time, but they saw you going so
fast past everyone else that they had to stop you,
so they give you the warning, but you get away
with it. That's what I feel happened with Michigan. Yeah,
that's what I feel like, is the equivalent not being
pulled over in my traffic stop where I didn't do
(10:06):
anything wrong, Trust me, I didn't. There was no traffic
that day. They said I went around cars in a
lane that I shouldn't have. It was a holiday, there
was nobody on the street, Manzi, there were completely Twelve
years later, I'm still mad about it, but that's what
I feel like. There's there's something to it as opposed
to not doing it or actually doing it and getting
away with it with little to no penalty.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
We were just tweeted at by Moss Mace Underscore seventy eight.
He tweeted all of us basically saying that this appeal
is purely performative. If they don't appeal, it's them saying, yeah,
we got away with it, ha ha ha. By appealing,
they're still you know, projecting their innocence.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yes, I I'm a good point, yes I, but I
don't think that they're they're innocent. Like Connor Stallions did
come you know, did speak with the nc double A.
He this is the whole thing is as well with
him is just completely defiant. Was Jim Harbaugh and then
he leaves and is now in the NFL and never
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has to This from a guy who's quoted as saying
when he was the forty nine ers head coach that
you know, cheaters never win in the whole deal. But
there was conversations that Connor Stallions did have with the
with the NCAA where reportedly he was emotional in what
his doings were, so you knew that there was some wrongdoing.
But as Michigan as a whole, I think Moss is
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maybe correct in what he's saying.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, and it's just unbelievable though that this is it
makes sense that it's like they're trying to appeal because
they don't want to admit that they got away with it.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
But we know you got away with it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And Jim Harbaugh is the one that like the biggest
one where I think because he's in control, he is
the program, and let's be honest, he is Michigan. He
was their quarterback at one point and comes back to
save it. Andrew tweets in saying, why would you penalize
the championship season when the sign stealing was done during
the prior season. This is such a non story, and
then he says, read Andy Staples article about it. I'll
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get the Andy's article at some point. It's not going
to be in the next two hours while we're on
the we're on the air. The point of Jim Harbaugh
is Jim Harbaugh was in place and you had wrongdoing.
He was suspended by the Big Ten for three games
and then was given the suspension, where a lot of
people thought that it was underserved, like the hay was
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already in the barn, like something needed to be done
on a grand scale, but you needed the NCAA to
have their investigation. There was a time to penalize Michigan.
That's just not how the process worked. And again that
worked in the favor of Michigan because this is drawn
out now in August of twenty twenty five, you know
where we're almost two full football seasons removed from something
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like this happening or these these actions happening, and we're
still talking about it. That's part of the front frustration
of it is because these things are so drawn out
that you can never really punish the right people. And
here was an opportunity where maybe you could, maybe you
could penalize Jim Harbaugh for what he did. And it's
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not just the one championship season. There were building blocks
up to that point.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
To say that they're not connected leading up to the championship.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
That doesn't work. Yes, that's it actually, I think works
like in college we think like, oh, guys move every
four years, but there's a building up to that point.
The point is is you had a guy in a
job where you could directly penalize him or directly penalize
the school. Then they chose not to do it, and
instead we had a full drawn out process, which which
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is frustrating, and now on top of it, Michigan has
gotten away with it, and then they have the guts
to sit there and appeal it. I mean, it's just
I don't want to say at least that OJ got
you know, pegged in the civil suit, but that's small
beans considered. He couldn't pay what he owed in the
civil suit anyway. And then ultimately there was something else
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in what's the memorabilia stuff where OJ got some jail
time for the memorabilia heist that went on, But that
doesn't make up for the fact that we all believe
that he killed two people.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
You know what you and Ohio State fans can kind
of hope for Dan is that karma kicks in.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm not a.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Religious person or a real spiritual person, but I do
believe in karma. In this instance, OJ paid the price publicly.
Deshaun Watson, I think, is paying the price publicly. He
got off without any punishment obviously, no, I guess the
NFL handed him one year suspension, but everyone feels like
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it was far less of punishment for the crime. But
like seeing Deshaun Watson be ostracized by the Cleveland community
and women and stuff has kind of given me a
sense of justice. If Michigan has something awful happened to them,
are you ever going to get justice? Nie?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I am curious to see on how this all falls
out with the fines and financially if it will have
any effect. I don't think that Jim Harbaugh will feel
any penalties whatsoever. And as I told you guys earlier today,
if the Chargers win the Super Bowl, it's going to
be the greatest twelve months of Jim Harbaugh's career, and
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this hat would have happened in that twelve month span.
And I feel that there are people who love the
Harbaugh Act as it is the Khakis, the down to Earth,
you know, like that's that's how that's how he's portrayed.
He's a different cant there's no doubt about it. But
I feel that people embrace that, and because of some
of the stuff that he did do and does do,
(15:45):
people like that. And I don't know if he's if
he's going to ever feel the true ramifications of this,
because the penalties that they gave him just don't apply
because he's not going back to college sports.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
And that's to what you're saying, He's he's liked as
a person, and what he did it wasn't egregious like O. J.
Simpson or like Deshaun Watson. This was sign stealing, which
a lot of people would be like, it's just sign stealing, right, Like,
I don't think people look at it the same exact
way as those other two.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
So, but he's so liked, he's so liked as just
the person he is.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
There's degrees of karma, and I think that maybe you
could actually accept the uh and this is a weird
kind of way to look at it. You could accept
the Rashad Slater maybe as as your first step in
bad karma for coach Harbaugh.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's an interesting that is a yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I I hope for Rashaun Slater's sake that he's not
the one that's having to deal correct to having to
pay for the the punishment of Jim Harbaugh. But just
the charger current, You're you're right, it may be it
may be karma. I feel like there's just certain things
that people don't care as much about. So when you
bring up the the astros and the signs dealing, which
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I've said here over the past couple of months, I
feel most of baseball has moved on from it. I
think most of college football has moved on from it.
One of the more frustrating things to me was not
what Michigan did, was how people viewed what Michigan did.
And it's saying because it wasn't as important to them,
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so it wasn't that big of a deal. And then
now the fight back onto what people who think Michigan
did do wrong or a lot of what aboutism's without
dealing with the real problem, and the real issue is
this is they cheated, didn't want to talk with the NCAA,
didn't cooperate. Then they had a bigger scandal where we
heard spending thousands of dollars in deleting evidence and not cooperating,
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and then this is all they get. So they're not
even a first time offender. You can't even give them
a warning. But yet the penalty sure feels like it
was warning esque.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Absolutely flap on the wrist.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yes, and then it happened on a Friday. So this
will just go on and then by Monday we'll be
onto something new.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
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Speaker 4 (18:46):
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Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yes, it works, It really does.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Every time I hear them say that, I'm like, you
couldn't plan that better.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know what else works? What works putting Taylor Swift
on a podcast. That's right because it worked for New
Heights Travis Kelcey and his girlfriend Taylor Swift on the
New Heights podcast with Kelsey's brother Jason Kelcey. You know,
Travis and Jason do the podcast, but they've never done
it to these numbers. Three hundred and seventy nine million
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views on Instagram, over sixty one point six million views
on x TikTok, had another thirty four and a half
million views on YouTube where I watched it fifteen million views.
As for the live viewers, that was me one point
three million time I'm crashed. At one point, they passed
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three million followers on Instagram and there were four hundred
thousand new YouTube subscribers since and it's the most concurrent
podcast listeners ever. For the New Heights episode that aired
on Wednesday, I.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
All those people that were hate watching must have been
so annoyed by the end of it, because it was
honestly a really entertaining I don't even know how long
it was. I can't even remember, but the whole thing
was quite entertaining for me. Obviously I love Taylor Swift,
but there were so many different parts of it. I
didn't know where it was going. We obviously there was
(20:11):
a new album, but I didn't know what exactly that.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
We're going to talk about.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
And more importantly, I think we don't get to see
them interact a lot together, Jason, Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift,
and it.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Was really cute and sweet.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
How they were with each other, which we didn't get
to see this entire like last two years of their relationship.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Did you like how they were holding hands throughout it?
Speaker 5 (20:33):
They were holding hands, He kissed her like on the
head a few times in moments that I thought was
very sweet and genuine. And anyone who's like this is
so fake, yeh, shut up, go argue with the wall.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
No it's not.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I did appreciate Jason asking questions that were relevant into
what everybody wanted to know about, Like I brought up
the point of the publishing deal and the what's the
difference of your mass and stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Like that, and totally interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
We locked in on giving that answer.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I don't know any of that.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
You knew she had gone through that, but I thought
that was so interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I also, you know, to start off when she explains what.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
She thought football was at first, that was also great
to hear.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yes, we got that this is what Taylor Swift actually
thought football and how football was played.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I thought I thought that the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
See, that's how you played it on the on the
playground growing up. So I understand if you hadn't.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Like, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I thought it was like Jared Goff is here and
Josh Allen's here, and they're gonna be like they blow
a whistle.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And then they they go at each other and they're
like and.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Like who's gonna win?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
That's actually I would love to see Jared Golf got
play defense. See, I got some ideas, I've got some thoughts, and.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
You know, leading into that question because she says that
when she first started like dating Travis, leading into that
exact quote, she would heart.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
She says that she asked Travis like, how did it feel?
You know, you played your brother in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
You're standing there, he's standing on the other side. How
to feel and that then they were like you, no, no,
I play offense, he plays offense.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
We actually don't see each other like that.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
And I thought it was it was sweet that she
asked a question that, yeah, like how is it with
your brother? And then that's how it led into her
response to being like no, no, no, I really thought this
is how football was played.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yes, it was a great revelation and I love how
it's also is a glimpse and how the mind works
when you're learning about football. Total like, ohow, somebody thought
that those two were on the same field. What should
be noted Jared Golf almost did have to play defense
for the Lions last year because everybody was hurt. Chris Prophet,
I think you can attest to that a pain, so
much pain. He was like dB fourteen on the team.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And I do I do wonder if she takes away
from like how we talk about all these games when
you see a big you know, here's the game coming
up on Amazon or on Fox. It's Jared Goff and
the Lions take on take on Josh Allen the Bills.
It makes it sound once again, I have this conversation
with people all the time. It makes it sound like
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when we say these quarterbacks are facing each other, they're
actually facing each other. Yeah, you're absolutely they totally get
why someone like that would would take that.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I would also say that if you just never watch football,
basketball is more of a sport that is commonly known.
So Lebron James and Steph Curry are on the court
at the same time. To Christ's point, you're seeing Lebron
James and Steph Curry head to head in the NBA Finals,
and so you would think, like, oh, that's why they
would do it, or that sport does it that way,
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so why wouldn't football also do it that way?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Absolutely, and even in basketball, you could just watch it
and kind of understand what's happening.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
If you watch football.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
And you have never watched it is it is hard
to keep up. If you don't know football, it is
hard to keep up and watch it. You don't know basketball.
You can tune in and be like, Okay, I get
what's going on. Basketball has to go in the hoop
gay five on five.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It's not like.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That, yes, because in football you can kick the ball
from the same spot and two different situations and it's
different points exactly. So an extra point and a thirty
three yard field goal are the same distance. And if
you're trying to learn, that makes it very very difficult.
At least in the NBA. You see the line on
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the floor where you're like, this is two, that is three.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
And it doesn't change.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yes, yes, but for whatever reason, from the same exact
spot in football, if you don't understand the point after attempt,
it would be or they're going for two here, well
why don't they get six? Well they just got six,
Well why can't you get six again? Like I feel
like those are conversations that would happen in a living
room totally. I also feel that there's something to this
is we're now forty eight hours out something that happened
(24:44):
earlier in the year not apples to apples, but the
halftime show with Kendrick Lamar, there was there was a
different like being there live, being at the super Bowl.
As fortunate as I was, you have a different experience
for what is they made for TV concert, But it
was a concert that really ended up thriving because of
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social media afterwards. We were talking about it for a
week or two, and I feel like when you look
at something like this again, it's not apples to apples.
I don't know if we're going to be talking about
this two weeks from now, but it's got so much
of a longer shelf life than just when it originally appeared.
And maybe that's how things are nowadays. But I feel
like there's just some similarities with that performance that we
(25:30):
had in February to what this episode was.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
You're right on the money. I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
We were talking about that show for so long after
the fact. Didn't think we would be, but we were.
This is still being talked about and it might still
be talked about in a week.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Damn, that's how big it was.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You watched it live.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I watched it a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Show you didn't have to wait for people that don't.
You can still add to those numbers. Jason Stewart and
I both watched it. You watched it on YouTube? Is
that where you also watched it?
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Jay, I caught some of it on YouTube and the I've
just been watching all equips.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Okay, all right, yeah, it's all.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
You're gonna say.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You guys watched together, like you gathered, grabbed some food.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
We shared the actual iPod.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
We we had to get really close's precious iPad iPod.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Can I give you my quick takeaways because in a
lot of ways, I come at this very from the
opposite of what Mancy comes at it. She's a super fan,
as are millions of people. I would argue millions of
teenage girls. But you guys have talked me off that wedge.
I won't sell that.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I am so close to a teenage girl though.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
And I'm guessing as a teenage girl you liked her.
Maybe yes, no.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah, we I am the same age as as Taylor Sweat.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
So yes, so I I was. I was captivated by
how they interacted. Yes, and I was the one early
I was the old curmudgeon saying this was fake. It
was a huge publicity stunt. But I apologize to you
about six months in and I but I was captivated
by how they interact like giddy teenagers. They're both in
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their thirties, they've both had many relationships, but the handholding
thing and just the way that they address each other.
There's still very much in seemingly that honeymoon phase that
all of us have been in the first few months totally,
but they're what eighteen months in or whatever it's been.
It's like to me, that's what first caught hold. And
then just how engaged she is and what he's passionate about.
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And I know that he's engaged with what she's passionate about.
He knows her music. He seems to like her music,
which I can't. I can't get. So those were kind
of my takeaways, like just how engaging both of them
in are in each other's lives and how they they
deal with each other. Nobody knows if it's going to last,
but you hope that it does. But you hope that
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it does. People change.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
What I will say is, well to piggyback off of
that is and I look at it from a weird way.
I think that that people have a lot of insecurities.
And so if I was dating Taylor Swift and she
had dated famous guys, well you know John Mayer, I
literally say, yeah, you know Jake Jillenhall. Wasn't he another
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one like this? Like there are others like that. Takes
like you have to have confidence in yourself if you're
Travis Kelcey. But also if you were insecure, you would
maybe hold that, unfortunately against the other person, you would
hold that against Taylor Swift. Well, Taylor Swift just has
to say you had a dating show or you just
dated all of these other different you know like women,
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she could have that sort of insecurity. They don't have that.
That's not how they live, that's not who they are.
And I felt that that, like that's another reason why
it works. They're secure in who they are. They don't
worried about this, worried about that, or could do this
or could do that. They also seem to be living
in the present.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Absolutely, And I feel like with with Taylor Swift, you know,
there's rumors or stories that Beyonce, if you ever Beyonce
doesn't say a lot.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
She like doesn't do a lot of interviews.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
She doesn't just go out there and talk, and that's
because they say they don't want her to because they
don't trust what she may say. I was surprised at
how comfortable Taylor Swift was in this podcast for talking
about everything, because you could argue that it was a
bit scripted, but it didn't feel that way.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
If it was, it was nice to see her. And
she also is.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Very self deprecating, which you don't hear her say that
a lot. When when Travis kelcey was.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Like you're an athlete, She's like, I am not an athlete.
She's like, no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Like training for this, and she's like, you're so sweet
when she even like grabbed his face, so she's like,
I am not an athlete. There was just so many
sides I feel like of Taylor Swift that we never
get to see.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Travis kelce We get to see all sides of it.
He was on a reality TV show.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
This was just a different side even of Travis kelce
but more of all the different sides of Taylor Swift.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
That you don't get to see what you're talking about.
Is like it was just a genuine nature their interaction.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It just seems so genuine the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I am such a skeptic that my BS meter is
always on and I would love to tell you that
there was a lot of BS meter going off and
there wasn't. Really, It's just a genuine interaction.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
There was a little for me, but I don't want
that to make it seem like it's a negative thing.
Like in the back of my mind, I'm like, she's
a performer. She gets it like when you're when you're
in the biz, you know when you have to turn
it on, and I feel like she knows how to
turn it on. There were no yes, no questions. She
knew the format, she knew to fill, she knew those things.
(30:35):
It's also a safe place where you're not guarded and
you feel like you were going to be asked something
that is uncomfortable, so you can say what you say
and know that you're not going to get any pushback
on it. But I did. I didn't think it was fake.
I just thought, Okay, there's certain things that are being
talked about here and done in a certain way because
of the way the surrounding people are totally.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
The point of this was to promote her new album.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yes that it was going to be you know, curated
for that, but even even with that, Dan, even though
she is a performer, this was I guess the performance.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
But it was it just I'm with Jason. It was
so just genuine.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I think both Dan an Art could be right because
I think Dan, you're talking about the way she presented
in her answers, I'm talking about their actual interaction. Just
to just looking at both of them, I was discernibly
looking at how they interact and it just there was
no bs there that it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I felt he was the third wheel. I've said that.
I felt like her and Jason had a really good
cheaistry going back and forth, and Travis is usually the
one talking to Jason, and so now he isn't. So
he's just kind of standing by, trying to say his
stuff in a certain way, and maybe he's not going
to use the language that he and his brother normally
do because his girlfriend is sitting there. But I felt
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like I actually felt like he was the third wheel
a little bit in terms of the interactions because he
just wasn't familiar in that scenario.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
He was kind of like the third wheel, which makes
it even better if you think about it. He let
her just shine.
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Yeah, that was the final, and the Cubs lose today again. Yeah,
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Speaker 4 (33:16):
That's for your team.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Well it's not the It's not the only winning streak
in Major League Baseball. There there's another. It's a five
game streak by the San Diego Padres, your first place
team in the NL West as they start an enormous
series tonight with a team that has lost their last
four in the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, well that's good. You want to talk about it, Yes,
I do.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It was I was leaving it open to interpretation from
uh miss Dodger to my left and mister Dodger on
the other side of the glass. Jason Stewart, two teams
going in different directions. This may seem like it's easy analysis,
but for as bad as things have gone for the
Dogs since the trade deadline, I will say that if
(34:06):
you are successful in this series, your season can change
and can start something the rest of the way. It
just has to happen this weekend.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
It's just so annoying, right Jason being a Dodger fan
right now, because it's it's not even like I'm not
worried even though it's getting it's getting a little too tight.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I'm not worried about the Dodgers making it to the postseason.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I think even if the Padres win the Division, the
Dodgers are in the postseason. But the way they're playing
right now, it's really annoying and really hard to watch.
It's almost like winning the World Series in year one
of show Hey, o Tawny's tenure with the Doyers has
like bit them in the butt a little bit because
it feels like they're playing like they already won, Like
(34:52):
they're like, we're good, we won. Sho Hey is out
there doing what it can on the mound. He got
rocked the other day for the first time since coming
back to the mound. But like they're just like there's
no It's like where where where is your fire? Why
does it feel like I'm just over in?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
You got that? You know, my fellow Cuban Fred over
here is a glowing crown right on?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
It's like you, where where is your want to win?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Gotcha?
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Where is it? I don't see it?
Speaker 5 (35:21):
And I understand it's hard to repeat in any sport.
I get that in baseball even harder to repeat. Like
it seems like you guys are just cool with it
because you won last year.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
There's that cliche that about being the first team or
the first group of guys to have to defend a title.
There's a different pressure. Yes, I want to say it
kind of works on you mentally, and then you you'll
hear the front office tell you that the flood of
injuries has been the issue. Andrew Friedman totals of the
trade deadline that we're not making any significant moves because
(35:54):
we have so many people coming back from injury. I
think there was a flawed of that, but I will
offer some optimism to you guys. To Dodger fans, in
twenty sixteen or seventeen, the Dodgers went on this amazing
streak in July and August, and I think we're There
was a Sports Illustrat article that said, is this the
greatest Major League team ever? They didn't win the World
(36:16):
Series that year. Yeah, So for Brewers fans think of that,
that's a cautionary tale. And for Dodger fans, the other
side of that coin is we could get hot when
these guys come back. But it's more than just the
injuries and the pitching. They're not doing something at the
plate that they should be doing. They should have more
of a an urgency with they're at bats. There's something going.
(36:38):
Something's missing. I can't put my finger on it, but
something's missing.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And to expect that they can just turn it on
when everybody comes back, that's that is not the mentality
I want to go into the end of the season
here and this last month like, oh, don't worry, we
can turn it on when everybody gets back. No, no, no,
you should have been just turning it on this whole time,
or at least trying to. But I'm with Jason, where's
the urgency again?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Where is the want to win?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You know? You guys are It's really rich to hear this,
like it truly is. I mean, it's it's August fifteenth.
If you sweep this series tonight, you leave the weekend
with a two game lead over the Padres, and you
beat your current maybe not forever rival, but a current rival,
and the weekend and this weekend can change everything. I
(37:29):
just find it amazing. You guys are winning a title
there should be like a five year cushion where you
can let this stuff slide. No, and it's not. It's
the other way around. The Fancy Angels, the entire season.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
The entire season.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
I just looked at the calendar, Monci, and you know what,
I realized, It's Friday. It's Friday, Friday, Friday, Friday. Now,
the guys probably did that eight hours earlier when they
are in for Dan Patrick here on Fox Sports Radio.
But it is Monty Belanos and myself Dan Buyer in
for Cavino and Rich today. There is no Dandy g
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There is at Jason S Jason Stewart, Hello, let's call
him Gosh. Chris. You've been to so many places, lived
in so many places. I feel like Toledo Chris could
be a way that we could call you instead of Iowa, Sam.
Is that good?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
I think someone else calls me usc Chris as well.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Oh see a lot of different names, just like New
York and Philly. Sam. Isaac Lohenkron is at the news desk.
What's going on, Isaac?
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Love it Elijah and Sager doing their stuff on the video.
So glad to have you with us, Bo Benson and
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We already did that one hundred and twenty seconds ago.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I think I just do excited. Okay, you can don't
take away.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Only people more excited than you are those in ann Arbor.
And I'll tell you what the guts now, the guts
of these people. As this story continues to develop, even
when you think it's over, Michigan handed down their NC
double A sanctions today and now we're getting word Isaac
reported it that from I'm not sure who broke it first,
that Michigan is appealing the penalties handed down by the
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NC double A man.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The audacity, No the ball here, your appeal. You know
you appeal something when you when you didn't do it.
Isn't that the way it's supposed to go.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
I'm appealing something because you have false me, falsely accused
me of something. But we know that they cheated. We
know the KGB operation. We know that, and now you're
gonna appeal.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
After trying to cover up all of the evidence. Yes,
it's yes.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
And you know, the Wolverine fan base is probably like, yeah,
that's right, We're gonna appeal.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
That's right, and you know what, they're not gonna find
us anyway.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, what do they have to lose. They've already got off,
you know, basically not entirely scott free, but feeling pretty
much pretty close. There's gonna be some stuff taken out
of their wallet, but not the punishment that that few
of us, a few of us wanted Michigan to receive,
and now they're appealing it. There is something with there
(02:54):
is there's something with being falsely accused of something. Then
there's the difference between that and then being not exonerated
but getting off with a very very light penalty and
essentially getting away with it. And that's what I think
that we're weighing here. Like you, I'm sorry, there is
(03:15):
not a Michigan fan around that can say that we
didn't do anything. And not only did they not do anything,
they didn't do anything on multiple occasions. Mazi mentions the
KGB portion of it, which is I just love that
I'm sorry, which was part of the scheme that they
had in the sign that the label of the sign
stealing scandal. This was the message from the Chief hearing
(03:38):
Officer for the NCAA Committee on Infractions said on the scandal,
and I'm going to read this quote the true quote.
The true scope and scale of the scheme, including the
competitive advantage it afforded, will never be fully known due
to individuals intentional destruction and withholding of materials and information.
But the intent was clear to gain a substantial competitive advantage.
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You don't put together a network of individuals called the
KGB that records what they call dirty film, where the
cost of doing this is in the tens of thousands
of dollars over three seasons, unless you intend to gain
a substantial competitive advantage. The words are much stronger than
the punishment. Yeah, and what was ultimately handed down. But
(04:26):
there has to be a way where I know Michigan
fans are skipping in the streets of ann Arbor, probably
enjoying their wonderful three day weekend up in the up
celebrating up nice. Yes, the Upper Peninsula. Any chance we
have an opportunity to mention it second straight day here
on Fox Sports Radio. By the way, we've talked about
the Upper Peninsula. Any opportunity that they can have to
celebrate this they can, and now to appeal that it
(04:49):
is it's just it's in their face. It's it's to
everybody else's is like watch this now, well, now watch
what we're gonna do. We got away with all this
other stuff. Actually going to try to appeal it and
get less of a penalty.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I know, it's really rich. You get a slap on
the wrist, and then you're mad about the slap on
the wrist. Don't you dare slap me on the wrist?
That's what they're saying. I can't. I cannot believe they're
appealing it.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
What a what a joke they're making of the n
C double A.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
I it's and because they can probably that's it's probably
the reason why. And then there really aren't any direct
effects to hinder this Michigan football team except you run
more getting a game suspension or a couple of game suspension.
So those are the things that are things that the
Michigan football team is going to have to deal with
this year. But that pales in comparison to what it
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could have been or what should have been from the
back end of it. But it does provide a bigger picture.
I just I balanced the the I'm actually innocent to
the I got away with it, like I can understand.
That's like I didn't I didn't know that. I wasn't
I wasn't sure of it. I didn't know this rule.
Maybe you were a naive or maybe weren't even involved
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at all. But I just don't think that getting away
with the easier penalty is reason to celebrate something as
opposed to not doing anything at all.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Oh no, you're one hundred percent right. But the thing
is they are going to celebrate. They're probably celebrating more
than they were before over that championship. Now they're like, look,
we are invincible. Yes, that is how I would feel
right now if I was in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
I'm trying to take it into real world terms, in
terms of like a speeding ticket, okay, or some sort
of like traffic enforcement. I got busted for something I
didn't do twelve years ago at the intersection right outside
of work. I didn't do anything wrong, and I got
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pulled over and got a ticket for what they said
I did, even though I didn't do it, and it
still bothers me to this day that I didn't fight
it to the lengths that I should have fought it.
I ultimately just took the punishment and let it go away.
But in my heart of arts, I know that I
was wrong. The complete exact opposite, I think is is
(07:04):
this is the jubilee that you would get for knowing
that you did it, did it on your own terms,
and then hardly had to pay the price for it.
Like there's they don't feel guilty about this. This isn't
This isn't cheating on a on a spouse and having
remorse or a significant other and then all please come back. No,
(07:25):
this is this is none of that. This is embezzling
all these dollars and then spending it and living the
life of Riley and then coming back and getting a
slap on the wrist.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Yeah, it's like they're justifying it in their own way,
you know, like Ross Scaler justifying cheating on or Rachel
Green because they were on a break. That's what Michigan
is doing right now, trying to justify it. Oh, it's
a technicality, this is we didn't break any rules.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Get out of here with that mess. So I got
time for that.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Jason Stewart's our executive producer.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Hey, I got a great example. This is a real
happy one for our Cavino and rich audience, real life example.
And tell me if I'm wrong. You talk about, uh,
the punishment coming up way short of the crime and
walking away from something, being able to never say that
you were innocent and everyone knows you did something bad.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
P Diddy, Yes or no?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
I hear what you're trying to go with it. I
guess yes.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
It seemed like a consensus at least from the legal community,
that he got away with so much and walked away
with a light slap on the wrist, and the reaction
from his fan base and from the people that still
respect the guy for some reason was Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
What would O J be be? I mean, it is
a perfect We know that he did it, and he understood,
but then we understood that he did it, but yet
he gets cleared, Like these are all these are all
trials that that we're going through where the outcome is
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And I feel that I'm even just trying to think
of like in your in your daily life, when when
you're late and your flying down a getting traffic enforcement.
You're flying down the freeway and you go eighty five
the whole way and make it to work and or
make it to where you need to go. Like there's
you know, there's something something to that. What I think
(09:37):
would be a high or high is maybe getting stopped
and then.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Holding yes yeah, yes, right.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
And that's where I feel like like Michigan is of
like they just maybe they didn't have the radar gun
going at the time, but they saw you going so
fast past everyone else that they had to stop you,
so they give you the warning, but you get away
with it. That's what I feel happened with Michigan. Yeah,
that's what I feel like, is the equivalent not being
pulled over in my traffic stop where I didn't do
(10:06):
anything wrong, Trust me, I didn't. There was no traffic
that day. They said I went around cars in a
lane that I shouldn't have. It was a holiday, there
was nobody on the street, Manzi, there were completely Twelve
years later, I'm still mad about it, but that's what
I feel like. There's there's something to it as opposed
to not doing it or actually doing it and getting
away with it with little to no penalty.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
We were just tweeted at by Moss Mace Underscore seventy eight.
He tweeted all of us basically saying that this appeal
is purely performative. If they don't appeal, it's them saying, yeah,
we got away with it, ha ha ha. By appealing,
they're still you know, projecting their innocence.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yes, I I'm a good point, yes I, but I
don't think that they're they're innocent. Like Connor Stallions did
come you know, did speak with the nc double A.
He this is the whole thing is as well with
him is just completely defiant. Was Jim Harbaugh and then
he leaves and is now in the NFL and never
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has to This from a guy who's quoted as saying
when he was the forty nine ers head coach that
you know, cheaters never win in the whole deal. But
there was conversations that Connor Stallions did have with the
with the NCAA where reportedly he was emotional in what
his doings were, so you knew that there was some wrongdoing.
But as Michigan as a whole, I think Moss is
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maybe correct in what he's saying.
Speaker 5 (11:33):
Yeah, and it's just unbelievable though that this is it
makes sense that it's like they're trying to appeal because
they don't want to admit that they got away with it.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
But we know you got away with it.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
And Jim Harbaugh is the one that like the biggest
one where I think because he's in control, he is
the program, and let's be honest, he is Michigan. He
was their quarterback at one point and comes back to
save it. Andrew tweets in saying, why would you penalize
the championship season when the sign stealing was done during
the prior season. This is such a non story, and
then he says, read Andy Staples article about it. I'll
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get the Andy's article at some point. It's not going
to be in the next two hours while we're on
the we're on the air. The point of Jim Harbaugh
is Jim Harbaugh was in place and you had wrongdoing.
He was suspended by the Big Ten for three games
and then was given the suspension, where a lot of
people thought that it was underserved, like the hay was
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already in the barn, like something needed to be done
on a grand scale, but you needed the NCAA to
have their investigation. There was a time to penalize Michigan.
That's just not how the process worked. And again that
worked in the favor of Michigan because this is drawn
out now in August of twenty twenty five, you know
where we're almost two full football seasons removed from something
(12:53):
like this happening or these these actions happening, and we're
still talking about it. That's part of the front frustration
of it is because these things are so drawn out
that you can never really punish the right people. And
here was an opportunity where maybe you could, maybe you
could penalize Jim Harbaugh for what he did. And it's
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not just the one championship season. There were building blocks
up to that point.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
To say that they're not connected leading up to the championship.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
That doesn't work. Yes, that's it actually, I think works
like in college we think like, oh, guys move every
four years, but there's a building up to that point.
The point is is you had a guy in a
job where you could directly penalize him or directly penalize
the school. Then they chose not to do it, and
instead we had a full drawn out process, which which
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is frustrating, and now on top of it, Michigan has
gotten away with it, and then they have the guts
to sit there and appeal it. I mean, it's just
I don't want to say at least that OJ got
you know, pegged in the civil suit, but that's small
beans considered. He couldn't pay what he owed in the
civil suit anyway. And then ultimately there was something else
(14:05):
in what's the memorabilia stuff where OJ got some jail
time for the memorabilia heist that went on, But that
doesn't make up for the fact that we all believe
that he killed two people.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
You know what you and Ohio State fans can kind
of hope for Dan is that karma kicks in.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
I'm not a.
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Religious person or a real spiritual person, but I do
believe in karma. In this instance, OJ paid the price publicly.
Deshaun Watson, I think, is paying the price publicly. He
got off without any punishment obviously, no, I guess the
NFL handed him one year suspension, but everyone feels like
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it was far less of punishment for the crime. But
like seeing Deshaun Watson be ostracized by the Cleveland community
and women and stuff has kind of given me a
sense of justice. If Michigan has something awful happened to them,
are you ever going to get justice? Nie?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I am curious to see on how this all falls
out with the fines and financially if it will have
any effect. I don't think that Jim Harbaugh will feel
any penalties whatsoever. And as I told you guys earlier today,
if the Chargers win the Super Bowl, it's going to
be the greatest twelve months of Jim Harbaugh's career, and
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this hat would have happened in that twelve month span.
And I feel that there are people who love the
Harbaugh Act as it is the Khakis, the down to Earth,
you know, like that's that's how that's how he's portrayed.
He's a different cant there's no doubt about it. But
I feel that people embrace that, and because of some
of the stuff that he did do and does do,
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people like that. And I don't know if he's if
he's going to ever feel the true ramifications of this,
because the penalties that they gave him just don't apply
because he's not going back to college sports.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
And that's to what you're saying, He's he's liked as
a person, and what he did it wasn't egregious like O. J.
Simpson or like Deshaun Watson. This was sign stealing, which
a lot of people would be like, it's just sign stealing, right, Like,
I don't think people look at it the same exact
way as those other two.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
So, but he's so liked, he's so liked as just
the person he is.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
There's degrees of karma, and I think that maybe you
could actually accept the uh and this is a weird
kind of way to look at it. You could accept
the Rashad Slater maybe as as your first step in
bad karma for coach Harbaugh.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
It's an interesting that is a yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I I hope for Rashaun Slater's sake that he's not
the one that's having to deal correct to having to
pay for the the punishment of Jim Harbaugh. But just
the charger current, You're you're right, it may be it
may be karma. I feel like there's just certain things
that people don't care as much about. So when you
bring up the the astros and the signs dealing, which
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I've said here over the past couple of months, I
feel most of baseball has moved on from it. I
think most of college football has moved on from it.
One of the more frustrating things to me was not
what Michigan did, was how people viewed what Michigan did.
And it's saying because it wasn't as important to them,
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so it wasn't that big of a deal. And then
now the fight back onto what people who think Michigan
did do wrong or a lot of what aboutism's without
dealing with the real problem, and the real issue is
this is they cheated, didn't want to talk with the NCAA,
didn't cooperate. Then they had a bigger scandal where we
heard spending thousands of dollars in deleting evidence and not cooperating,
(17:47):
and then this is all they get. So they're not
even a first time offender. You can't even give them
a warning. But yet the penalty sure feels like it
was warning esque.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Absolutely flap on the wrist.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yes, and then it happened on a Friday. So this
will just go on and then by Monday we'll be
onto something new.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
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Speaker 4 (18:46):
CNR on FSR. It was almost meant to be right.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yes, it works, It really does.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Every time I hear them say that, I'm like, you
couldn't plan that better.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
You know what else works? What works putting Taylor Swift
on a podcast. That's right because it worked for New
Heights Travis Kelcey and his girlfriend Taylor Swift on the
New Heights podcast with Kelsey's brother Jason Kelcey. You know,
Travis and Jason do the podcast, but they've never done
it to these numbers. Three hundred and seventy nine million
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views on Instagram, over sixty one point six million views
on x TikTok, had another thirty four and a half
million views on YouTube where I watched it fifteen million views.
As for the live viewers, that was me one point
three million time I'm crashed. At one point, they passed
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three million followers on Instagram and there were four hundred
thousand new YouTube subscribers since and it's the most concurrent
podcast listeners ever. For the New Heights episode that aired
on Wednesday, I.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
All those people that were hate watching must have been
so annoyed by the end of it, because it was
honestly a really entertaining I don't even know how long
it was. I can't even remember, but the whole thing
was quite entertaining for me. Obviously I love Taylor Swift,
but there were so many different parts of it. I
didn't know where it was going. We obviously there was
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a new album, but I didn't know what exactly that.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
We're going to talk about.
Speaker 5 (20:14):
And more importantly, I think we don't get to see
them interact a lot together, Jason, Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift,
and it.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
Was really cute and sweet.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
How they were with each other, which we didn't get
to see this entire like last two years of their relationship.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Did you like how they were holding hands throughout it?
Speaker 5 (20:33):
They were holding hands, He kissed her like on the
head a few times in moments that I thought was
very sweet and genuine. And anyone who's like this is
so fake, yeh, shut up, go argue with the wall.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
No it's not.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I did appreciate Jason asking questions that were relevant into
what everybody wanted to know about, Like I brought up
the point of the publishing deal and the what's the
difference of your mass and stuff.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Like that, and totally interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
We locked in on giving that answer.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
I don't know any of that.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
You knew she had gone through that, but I thought
that was so interesting.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
I also, you know, to start off when she explains what.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
She thought football was at first, that was also great
to hear.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yes, we got that this is what Taylor Swift actually
thought football and how football was played.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I thought I thought that the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
See, that's how you played it on the on the
playground growing up. So I understand if you hadn't.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Like, no, you don't understand.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I thought it was like Jared Goff is here and
Josh Allen's here, and they're gonna be like they blow
a whistle.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
And then they they go at each other and they're
like and.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Like who's gonna win?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
That's actually I would love to see Jared Golf got
play defense. See, I got some ideas, I've got some thoughts, and.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
You know, leading into that question because she says that
when she first started like dating Travis, leading into that
exact quote, she would heart.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
She says that she asked Travis like, how did it feel?
You know, you played your brother in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
You're standing there, he's standing on the other side. How
to feel and that then they were like you, no, no,
I play offense, he plays offense.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
We actually don't see each other like that.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
And I thought it was it was sweet that she
asked a question that, yeah, like how is it with
your brother? And then that's how it led into her
response to being like no, no, no, I really thought this
is how football was played.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yes, it was a great revelation and I love how
it's also is a glimpse and how the mind works
when you're learning about football. Total like, ohow, somebody thought
that those two were on the same field. What should
be noted Jared Golf almost did have to play defense
for the Lions last year because everybody was hurt. Chris Prophet,
I think you can attest to that a pain, so
much pain. He was like dB fourteen on the team.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And I do I do wonder if she takes away
from like how we talk about all these games when
you see a big you know, here's the game coming
up on Amazon or on Fox. It's Jared Goff and
the Lions take on take on Josh Allen the Bills.
It makes it sound once again, I have this conversation
with people all the time. It makes it sound like
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when we say these quarterbacks are facing each other, they're
actually facing each other. Yeah, you're absolutely they totally get
why someone like that would would take that.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I would also say that if you just never watch football,
basketball is more of a sport that is commonly known.
So Lebron James and Steph Curry are on the court
at the same time. To Christ's point, you're seeing Lebron
James and Steph Curry head to head in the NBA Finals,
and so you would think, like, oh, that's why they
would do it, or that sport does it that way,
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so why wouldn't football also do it that way?
Speaker 5 (23:36):
Absolutely, and even in basketball, you could just watch it
and kind of understand what's happening.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
If you watch football.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
And you have never watched it is it is hard
to keep up. If you don't know football, it is
hard to keep up and watch it. You don't know basketball.
You can tune in and be like, Okay, I get
what's going on. Basketball has to go in the hoop
gay five on five.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
It's not like.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That, yes, because in football you can kick the ball
from the same spot and two different situations and it's
different points exactly. So an extra point and a thirty
three yard field goal are the same distance. And if
you're trying to learn, that makes it very very difficult.
At least in the NBA. You see the line on
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the floor where you're like, this is two, that is three.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
And it doesn't change.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yes, yes, but for whatever reason, from the same exact
spot in football, if you don't understand the point after attempt,
it would be or they're going for two here, well
why don't they get six? Well they just got six,
Well why can't you get six again? Like I feel
like those are conversations that would happen in a living
room totally. I also feel that there's something to this
is we're now forty eight hours out something that happened
(24:44):
earlier in the year not apples to apples, but the
halftime show with Kendrick Lamar, there was there was a
different like being there live, being at the super Bowl.
As fortunate as I was, you have a different experience
for what is they made for TV concert, But it
was a concert that really ended up thriving because of
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social media afterwards. We were talking about it for a
week or two, and I feel like when you look
at something like this again, it's not apples to apples.
I don't know if we're going to be talking about
this two weeks from now, but it's got so much
of a longer shelf life than just when it originally appeared.
And maybe that's how things are nowadays. But I feel
like there's just some similarities with that performance that we
(25:30):
had in February to what this episode was.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
You're right on the money. I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
We were talking about that show for so long after
the fact. Didn't think we would be, but we were.
This is still being talked about and it might still
be talked about in a week.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Damn, that's how big it was.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
You watched it live.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I watched it a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Show you didn't have to wait for people that don't.
You can still add to those numbers. Jason Stewart and
I both watched it. You watched it on YouTube? Is
that where you also watched it?
Speaker 6 (25:54):
Jay, I caught some of it on YouTube and the I've
just been watching all equips.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Okay, all right, yeah, it's all.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
You're gonna say.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
You guys watched together, like you gathered, grabbed some food.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
We shared the actual iPod.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
We we had to get really close's precious iPad iPod.
Speaker 6 (26:14):
Can I give you my quick takeaways because in a
lot of ways, I come at this very from the
opposite of what Mancy comes at it. She's a super fan,
as are millions of people. I would argue millions of
teenage girls. But you guys have talked me off that wedge.
I won't sell that.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I am so close to a teenage girl though.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
And I'm guessing as a teenage girl you liked her.
Maybe yes, no.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Yeah, we I am the same age as as Taylor Sweat.
Speaker 6 (26:40):
So yes, so I I was. I was captivated by
how they interacted. Yes, and I was the one early
I was the old curmudgeon saying this was fake. It
was a huge publicity stunt. But I apologize to you
about six months in and I but I was captivated
by how they interact like giddy teenagers. They're both in
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their thirties, they've both had many relationships, but the handholding
thing and just the way that they address each other.
There's still very much in seemingly that honeymoon phase that
all of us have been in the first few months totally,
but they're what eighteen months in or whatever it's been.
It's like to me, that's what first caught hold. And
then just how engaged she is and what he's passionate about.
(27:26):
And I know that he's engaged with what she's passionate about.
He knows her music. He seems to like her music,
which I can't. I can't get. So those were kind
of my takeaways, like just how engaging both of them
in are in each other's lives and how they they
deal with each other. Nobody knows if it's going to last,
but you hope that it does. But you hope that
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it does. People change.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
What I will say is, well to piggyback off of
that is and I look at it from a weird way.
I think that that people have a lot of insecurities.
And so if I was dating Taylor Swift and she
had dated famous guys, well you know John Mayer, I
literally say, yeah, you know Jake Jillenhall. Wasn't he another
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one like this? Like there are others like that. Takes
like you have to have confidence in yourself if you're
Travis Kelcey. But also if you were insecure, you would
maybe hold that, unfortunately against the other person, you would
hold that against Taylor Swift. Well, Taylor Swift just has
to say you had a dating show or you just
dated all of these other different you know like women,
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she could have that sort of insecurity. They don't have that.
That's not how they live, that's not who they are.
And I felt that that, like that's another reason why
it works. They're secure in who they are. They don't
worried about this, worried about that, or could do this
or could do that. They also seem to be living
in the present.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
Absolutely, And I feel like with with Taylor Swift, you know,
there's rumors or stories that Beyonce, if you ever Beyonce
doesn't say a lot.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
She like doesn't do a lot of interviews.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
She doesn't just go out there and talk, and that's
because they say they don't want her to because they
don't trust what she may say. I was surprised at
how comfortable Taylor Swift was in this podcast for talking
about everything, because you could argue that it was a
bit scripted, but it didn't feel that way.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
If it was, it was nice to see her. And
she also is.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Very self deprecating, which you don't hear her say that
a lot. When when Travis kelcey was.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Like you're an athlete, She's like, I am not an athlete.
She's like, no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (29:34):
Like training for this, and she's like, you're so sweet
when she even like grabbed his face, so she's like,
I am not an athlete. There was just so many
sides I feel like of Taylor Swift that we never
get to see.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
Travis kelce We get to see all sides of it.
He was on a reality TV show.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
This was just a different side even of Travis kelce
but more of all the different sides of Taylor Swift.
Speaker 6 (29:55):
That you don't get to see what you're talking about.
Is like it was just a genuine nature their interaction.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
It just seems so genuine the whole thing.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I am such a skeptic that my BS meter is
always on and I would love to tell you that
there was a lot of BS meter going off and
there wasn't. Really, It's just a genuine interaction.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
There was a little for me, but I don't want
that to make it seem like it's a negative thing.
Like in the back of my mind, I'm like, she's
a performer. She gets it like when you're when you're
in the biz, you know when you have to turn
it on, and I feel like she knows how to
turn it on. There were no yes, no questions. She
knew the format, she knew to fill, she knew those things.
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It's also a safe place where you're not guarded and
you feel like you were going to be asked something
that is uncomfortable, so you can say what you say
and know that you're not going to get any pushback
on it. But I did. I didn't think it was fake.
I just thought, Okay, there's certain things that are being
talked about here and done in a certain way because
of the way the surrounding people are totally.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
The point of this was to promote her new album.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Yes that it was going to be you know, curated
for that, but even even with that, Dan, even though
she is a performer, this was I guess the performance.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
But it was it just I'm with Jason. It was
so just genuine.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
I think both Dan an Art could be right because
I think Dan, you're talking about the way she presented
in her answers, I'm talking about their actual interaction. Just
to just looking at both of them, I was discernibly
looking at how they interact and it just there was
no bs there that it was interesting.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I felt he was the third wheel. I've said that.
I felt like her and Jason had a really good
cheaistry going back and forth, and Travis is usually the
one talking to Jason, and so now he isn't. So
he's just kind of standing by, trying to say his
stuff in a certain way, and maybe he's not going
to use the language that he and his brother normally
do because his girlfriend is sitting there. But I felt
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like I actually felt like he was the third wheel
a little bit in terms of the interactions because he
just wasn't familiar in that scenario.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
He was kind of like the third wheel, which makes
it even better if you think about it. He let
her just shine.
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Speaker 5 (33:01):
They defeat the Cubs by that score, two to one.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Yeah, that was the final, and the Cubs lose today again. Yeah,
Brewers have even more separation in the UNL Central and
the Misses back as well. So things looking up for
the team that's won twelve in a row.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
That's for your team.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Well it's not the It's not the only winning streak
in Major League Baseball. There there's another. It's a five
game streak by the San Diego Padres, your first place
team in the NL West as they start an enormous
series tonight with a team that has lost their last
four in the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, well that's good. You want to talk about it, Yes,
I do.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
It was I was leaving it open to interpretation from
uh miss Dodger to my left and mister Dodger on
the other side of the glass. Jason Stewart, two teams
going in different directions. This may seem like it's easy analysis,
but for as bad as things have gone for the
Dogs since the trade deadline, I will say that if
(34:06):
you are successful in this series, your season can change
and can start something the rest of the way. It
just has to happen this weekend.
Speaker 5 (34:17):
It's just so annoying, right Jason being a Dodger fan
right now, because it's it's not even like I'm not
worried even though it's getting it's getting a little too tight.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
I'm not worried about the Dodgers making it to the postseason.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
I think even if the Padres win the Division, the
Dodgers are in the postseason. But the way they're playing
right now, it's really annoying and really hard to watch.
It's almost like winning the World Series in year one
of show Hey, o Tawny's tenure with the Doyers has
like bit them in the butt a little bit because
it feels like they're playing like they already won, Like
(34:52):
they're like, we're good, we won. Sho Hey is out
there doing what it can on the mound. He got
rocked the other day for the first time since coming
back to the mound. But like they're just like there's
no It's like where where where is your fire? Why
does it feel like I'm just over in?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
You got that? You know, my fellow Cuban Fred over
here is a glowing crown right on?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (35:15):
It's like you, where where is your want to win?
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Gotcha?
Speaker 4 (35:19):
Where is it? I don't see it?
Speaker 5 (35:21):
And I understand it's hard to repeat in any sport.
I get that in baseball even harder to repeat. Like
it seems like you guys are just cool with it
because you won last year.
Speaker 6 (35:33):
There's that cliche that about being the first team or
the first group of guys to have to defend a title.
There's a different pressure. Yes, I want to say it
kind of works on you mentally, and then you you'll
hear the front office tell you that the flood of
injuries has been the issue. Andrew Friedman totals of the
trade deadline that we're not making any significant moves because
(35:54):
we have so many people coming back from injury. I
think there was a flawed of that, but I will
offer some optimism to you guys. To Dodger fans, in
twenty sixteen or seventeen, the Dodgers went on this amazing
streak in July and August, and I think we're There
was a Sports Illustrat article that said, is this the
greatest Major League team ever? They didn't win the World
(36:16):
Series that year. Yeah, So for Brewers fans think of that,
that's a cautionary tale. And for Dodger fans, the other
side of that coin is we could get hot when
these guys come back. But it's more than just the
injuries and the pitching. They're not doing something at the
plate that they should be doing. They should have more
of a an urgency with they're at bats. There's something going.
(36:38):
Something's missing. I can't put my finger on it, but
something's missing.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And to expect that they can just turn it on
when everybody comes back, that's that is not the mentality
I want to go into the end of the season
here and this last month like, oh, don't worry, we
can turn it on when everybody gets back. No, no, no,
you should have been just turning it on this whole time,
or at least trying to. But I'm with Jason, where's
the urgency again?
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Where is the want to win?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
You know? You guys are It's really rich to hear this,
like it truly is. I mean, it's it's August fifteenth.
If you sweep this series tonight, you leave the weekend
with a two game lead over the Padres, and you
beat your current maybe not forever rival, but a current rival,
and the weekend and this weekend can change everything. I
(37:29):
just find it amazing. You guys are winning a title
there should be like a five year cushion where you
can let this stuff slide. No, and it's not. It's
the other way around. The Fancy Angels, the entire season.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
The entire season.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Thank you, She's that's Jason Stewart, I'm Dan Byert's Cavino
and rich Isaac Lowancron is here, as is Chris Perfett.
Clayton Kershaw on the bump tonight for the Dodgers. I
don't know if Denzel Washington is a Dodgers fan or
a Yankees fan, but he is a fan of one team,
and we got a problem with it.
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