December 28, 2023 • 39 mins
Dan and Monse in for Covino & Rich as they discuss Lamar Jackson and his MVP candidacy. Monse explains why he does not deserve the MVP award. FSR sports betting analyst Jared Smith joins Dan and Monse to break down the wagering for the NFL MVP award and the sports weekend. Plus, Dan and Monse talk about football games at a baseball venue.
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and I chopping it up about Sean Payton. You can
also see the sweatshirt that I'm wearing. Do you want
to guess, Iowa, Sam, how old the sweatshirt is?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, first meet, what did Moncey guests? No, no, no, no,
I'm going.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
To say that that is from two thousand and five,
two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Can you get it?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's how he asked it. He does say, what year
is this sweatshirt?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I'm just well, it's a North Carolina sweatshirt, a Jordan Brand.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Won and net North Carolina's tar heels sweatshirt, didn' they
winn't know?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Five?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah it did, Sean May.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I just feel like it's not as old as Nancy things,
which she may have said, what, I don't know, twenty
five years old. I'm gonna say, uh, you know, like
eighteen years old.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
You know, Jason Stewart, you want to take a guess.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm going to go there.
Speaker 7 (02:26):
I'm going to go there. So, uh what George Lynch
and Bunch didn't they beat Michigan in ninety three.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
In ninety thirty?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That does not look thirty.
Speaker 7 (02:34):
Years So I'm gonna say you purchased it in May
of ninety three.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The lines on a division.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
He knows how much I hate Michigan, So it would
it would make me buy a Carolina sweatshirt. Isaac Low
and Crown.
Speaker 8 (02:46):
Well, you left it in the studio one day and
there was a Mitch cup Jack inscription. Now there was
all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the George
Lynch answer just for fun. I'm gonna say nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Three, nineteen ninety two answers of the same milk Mancy,
tell them your answer.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I wouldn't give a year. Yeah, I didn't give a year.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And I was like sitting up the lights and he
was like, oh, do you think this sweashirt? So obviously
it was it's old. I was like, I'm thirty years old,
and he got so.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Mad that I thirty years old. Do you remember the
crap we wore thirty years ago? It didn't it didn't breathe,
there was there was no height, There was nothing high
tech about anything. The cuffs on the sleeves were like
a foot long, so you had to fold them back.
Speaker 8 (03:27):
Zubas we wore zubas thirty years ago.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
This is a Jordan brand Carolina sweatshirt purchased in the
year two thousand. Wow. Yeah, yes, Iowa Sam the winner here.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I don't know if we're doing prices right rules?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
He went over he did, okay, but I was I
was the closest parce.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yes, but that's price is right rules.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh, plus I can play this, Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Where is that from?
Speaker 9 (03:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
From Conan O'Brien, Oh, do that? And then they it
went past the year two thousand. They kept doing because
it's funny.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
And true story. And then we'll move on because Manzi
is absurd with what she's about to tell you. This
sweatshirt used to dwarf me, Okay, now comfortably fit.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, I still have clothes from my youth where it's
like it fits, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like, oh, it's perfect. It's because of all the times
I've watched it. It has nothing to do with me.
I'm totally kidding, it's everything to do with me. And
throw the dryer.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I did say that it doesn't even look faded for
how long he's had it. I think it looks pretty good.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, it's high quality. Yeah it doesn't look nineties Carolina, though.
I just like there's something about the the text. It
looks more like it's from the this new millennium. Yes,
two thousand the two, that's when. That's when you got
it the.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Fuck out of the Out of the four guesses, three
of the guesses were the exact same timeframe, but you
chose to be offended by Manzi. Yes he was, Isaac,
and I said the same thirty years ago. It works
for me, It works for me.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I was more hung up on the fact that you
couldn't come up with different answers, so that like Isaac
piggybacked off of yours in ninety three, I do it's
gotta be.
Speaker 8 (05:12):
I wanted to call him time out on my guests,
but I didn't get a chance to.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I was out. Ohio State beatn North Carolina in the
nineteen ninety two NCAA Tournament in the sweet sixteen. Then
they lost to Michigan, which then the next year. You
would have given me an opportunity. I did not buy
this for Henry Rodel did not, but I just like
the look of it. You don't think Lamar Jackson's the
most valuable player in the National Football.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
This is a bad hurt.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
What are you talking about? You are absurd. Listen.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
This sounds like I don't like Lamar Jackson, and that's
not what it is at all. I think Lamar Jackson
has come out and has become a better quarterback this year.
He is doing better than I thought throwing the ball
and just you know, being the quarterback, especially after losing
his favorite target to Mark Andrews.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And I see it. I see it.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But to me, the MVP is somebody who has been
kicking ass and taking names week after week. He had
a great game against the forty nine ers, great game,
the defense exquisite against the forty nine ers. But he's
also had four games this year without a touchdown pass
four then he's had other games where he had one
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touchdown two games like he's he has not been. In
the words of Colin cowhard, stars attract stars, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Just saying this is what we do. You know and rich,
but I.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Want my quarterbacks to be quarterback ye And to me,
Lamar Jackson is just a great athlete and he's done
a really good job, and he had a great game
against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Prisoners of the moment.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
He is not the MVP. Christian McCaffrey is the MVP,
and he has been. I've been saying this for weeks.
It's not like I just decided after this game. That's
what happened with Lamar. After this game. He jumped up,
but he wasn't even in the conversation. He was like
an afterthought. It was always like to the no, it's
Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And then two and.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, I'm not a huge fan of Tyreek Hill
because of what he does off the field. But you know,
it's a separate conversation. He's the second one. If it's
not Christian, it's Tyreek Hill. Those are the two that
have stood out every week every week, not Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's not that I don't like Lamar. It's not that
he's not doing a good job. He is doing a
good job, but he's not the MVP. I'm sorry to
say it.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
You can give Christian McCaffrey a most Outstanding Offensive player,
you can give him the Offensive Player of the Year awards.
That's fine, But the value of what Lamar Jackson provides
to the Baltimore Ravens is more than Christian McCaffrey. And
this is a Niners team again, Manzi that chased a
stupid touchdown record and tried to get Christian McCaffrey NFL
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history in a game where they're up thirty points. Just
because he scores a lot of touchdowns doesn't put him
over the edge. And because he's scoring touchdowns every week
doesn't make him the most valuable play.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I don't even think that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Because Raheem Mostert has what one touchdowns for Miami's scored
this season.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's not even just that. It's the eye test. He
looks like no one can stop him. When they were
playing the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
His touchdown that he scored where it was still close,
nobody could stop him. He looked unstoppable when he hit
that win. He scored that touchdown, and I just like,
no quarterback. I know that it's like, this is a
quarterback award, which is so annoying to hear. No quarterback
has had a dominant performance the entire season. And if
I am going to give it to a quarterback, how
is it not Tua? Like I don't it is. I
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don't think it's Lamar. And even though everyone is shifting
that way, I just don't see it because of this game.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It's prisoners of the moment. Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Shouldn't have been this than this past game. Be the
game that Christian McCaffrey takes over, and then shade me
have taken over that game.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You know, it's really hard when your quarterback throws four picks.
It's really are You don't get the ball as often.
But he had more rushing yards McCaffrey by himself than
the entire Ravens offense on the ground.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Well, in the games that Lamar Jackson didn't throw touchdown passes,
he did.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Use his legs and he always has.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yes, they lost to the Colts, you know, and over
time he had one hundred yards on the ground and
two touchdowns. The fact of that we go week by
week by this, I think is silly. I think that
as we look at it and you're trying to pinpoint stuff.
I did something two years ago. It was more of
an experiment and I don't do it anymore. But I
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did an MVP pyramid. And this is the exact reason why,
is because I know it frustrates you that names are
just popping up kind of out of nowhere where. And
if I'm hearing you right, you're saying, look at what
Christian McCaffrey has done week after week after week, consistent effort.
There hasn't been a drop off, say in a party
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performance like we had last weekend, or against the Brons,
or to Lamar jackson performance in the points that you made.
What ends up happening. This happens a lot in the
NBA where randomly in March someone will have a great
game and all of a sudden, they just they jump
like nine players in the MVP Ladder. I remember Kawhi
Leonard like about five ten years ago, all of a
sudden at a sixty point game in March, and people
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are like Kawhi Leonard's the MVP. We didn't talked about
him for five months, will not Clippers, but remember the
Spurs he did this. The point being is guys automatically
shoot up and all of a sudden just appear, and
I just don't think that is the case with Lamar.
I think that brock perty fit the suit, something that
Mike Harmon and I talked about in a Fantasy football podcast.
(10:33):
At times, he fit the mo Hey quarterback of the
team that we think is the best that is putting
up these great numbers fits the suit. I don't mind
the blemishes as much. What I look at is the
adversity that Lamar Jackson had to overcome just to put
up the numbers that he put up. And your point
about Mark Andrews is just one that cannot be overstated.
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There's also the point of him developing a chemistry with
a new receiving corps that is that that includes Odell
Beckham Junior and Jay Flowers and they are now. I
like Jay Flowers, I think a lot of people did.
In the draft pick first round pick, he thought he
would emerge. I did not believe in Odell Beckham Junior
as a viable threat at all, and I think he
is now. And maybe that's a typical cap toin Odell
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Beckham Junior, but Lamar also plays a role in that
because Obj isn't the same obij as he was a
few years ago. And honestly, their running game now without JK.
Dobbins for a majority of the season, it's great that
they have Gus Edwards and Justice Hill and then for
a while had Keaton Mitchell and then they've lost him.
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To see them put that performance together, and again it
wasn't all Lamar, but to be able to fill the
gaps that they would have offensively because of what is
missing just makes me talk about his value and what
he means to the team so much more than a
forty nine ers team that has basically had their entire
core for the entire series.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And I think that's a little bit unfair in the
sense because it's like, just because Christian McCaffrey is part
of this already awesome team, people aren't seeing what he
has been doing or appreciating what he has been doing
week after week after week. I agree with you that
Lamar Jackson has done a really good job this year.
I think he's gotten better. He is not, you know,
making decisions. Like to me, he can't throw the ball
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the way other quarterbacks can throw the ball, and he
you know, is managing that. He knows what he can do,
he knows his strengths, and he's great on the ground
all of that. But like the O line for the
Ravens is a big part of why he has done
so well. The defense you can't deny. I mean it's
always been Ravens defense for years. They've always had a
good defense. But like for me, again, I want my.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Quarterbacks to be quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Ye if the Ravens are down by a touchdown, eight points,
ten points, and they have the ball in less than
two minutes, I don't know if Lamar can do it.
Can throw the ball and you know, do it in
a quick amount of time, He's going to run the ball,
which takes up time. So that's how I see it too.
I'm just like, he is good. That's not what I'm saying.
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I'm not saying he's not good. He's just not the
greatest quarterback week after week after week.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So you hated the Golden Bachelor because it wasn't some
young in that was looking for love.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That is what did that have to do?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Because you're saying that Lamar Jackson is not quarterback and
that he doesn't look like the quarterback that we, you know,
love the drop back, which has always been it's it's
not because you're saying it. I've just I've never felt
that that's part of the conversation like some of the
dropback passers, like, we want everybody to have a career
that lasts fifteen years in the National Football League and
have you go to Super Bowls and championship games and
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be able to dissect the defense like Tom Brady did,
like Drew Brees did, And it's just it's not realistic.
It's never been like that. It really hasn't. But we
put the guys who last fifteen years because they've been
there fifteen years when we know them the most of
that being quarterback, hean I've just never been a I
don't mind when a guy runs If Cam Newton's career
is eight seasons and it's the top of the game.
I'm fine with that. That's what he does in his
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skill set. Same thing with.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Lama And I'm not taking that away from Lamar because
I don't Lamar isn't the type of quarterback justin fields
when he said I'm the best running quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I hate that he runs the ball and he does
it well, but he's he I don't think wants to
categorize himself as only a running quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I think Lamar Jackson wants to be more than that,
and he has done that this year.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And I agree his receivers that he has are not
the greatest receivers.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I get that. Like he has done a good job.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I just think that the team around him is a
big factor in why he has done well. And it's
the defense more than anything in my opinion. And again
it's just not in the sixteen seventeen weeks, Lamar Jackson
has not stood out week after a week. McCaffrey has
stood out week after a week. Tyreek Hill has stood
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out week after week.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
What about his eleven carry forty three yard game against
the Browns.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That was a bad one, and I yeah, that was
a bad one. I'll give you a yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
What about the fifteen carries in forty five yards against
Minnesota when they lost? That one was rough, But yeah,
see that it happens. It happens with all these guys,
like you can't have you can't have a perfect ledger.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But this year, you can't deny that there has been
no dominant quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, but there's never There's never been a game that
I thought San Francisco couldn't win without if they didn't
have Christian McCaffrey. There's never a point where I thought,
you know what this team would be nowhere without CMC, you.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Know, and that sucks.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
That just sucks that that is the like, yes, well, yeah,
the offense changes, but they still have other weapons. They
still have Jalen Wattle, they still have Rahee Mostert, they
still have Devan a Chan. But yet the critique for
Christian McCaffrey is not the same for Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But the offense did change with Miami, like we saw
for a half against the Titans.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Again, it had to change, right because it's Tyreek Right. No,
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I just I feel that the criticism with Christian McCaffrey
that he's surrounded that he's in this really good team
and he's not getting the credit when it's like, just
watch the games.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
He stands out well he does.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Because he's getting the ball and they're blocking guys you know,
ten yards down.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And he's such a hybrid running back.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Here's what I think is interesting about the Tyreek kill
Christian McCaffrey. And we do have to put a ball
on this because Jared Smith's goin to Jonas cinema. No Jared, Yeah,
that's Jared. He's coming up in eight minutes. The offense
you know I'm talking about, right, it can only be
Jared on the Dolphins in forty nine ers, Mike McDaniel
comes from San Francisco, runs from the Kyle Shampan system running.
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They're not they're not identical, but there are a lot
of similarities in what they have and so like the
point that you see and like even with the Dolphins,
like if it's not where he mostarted, it's eight chan
and eight Chan's dinged ups. I guess what. Jeff Wilson Junior,
who was in San Francisco like Moster it was, comes
in and they help, you know, seal that win against
the Dolphins. I think that there's even some similarities and
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parallels that you can make from those two. I'm not
saying that if you took Brandon Ayuk out of the
forty nine ers lineup that there is nothing that you
can do. I think maybe that would have a bigger
sort of effect than maybe what you would see if
Elijah Mitchell or Jordan Mason to go over the running
back position from San Francisco. And I think that's what
you see with Miami in this in why it's it
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may not be apples to apples, but I think it's
pretty darn close. And it's also I just I think
that he's a product of what they do in San Francisco,
and there was never a point where San Francisco couldn't
have won a game if they didn't have Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
That's not fair.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
She's Manzie Milanos, I'm dan Byer. She's sticking to her guns.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Lamar Jackson is fifteenth and sixteenth and touchdowns at nineteen
like he's g can't, I can't, I can't, I can't check.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
On this tree.
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dot Com. Isaac Longcrown in ten minutes to give us
the latest of what's going on. He'll probably give us
a final of what's happening in the Pinstripe Bowl our
next guest. You can hear them on Fox Sports radios.
Countdown to Kickoff, presented by bet MGM every Saturday morning,
nine o'clock Eastern times, six s Pacific. Jared Smith joins
the program. I'm Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Jared. Is
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there anything that we need to worry about this bad
boy Mower's Pinstripe ball? Is there anything on the line
as Rutgers in Miami, you know, are coming down to
the wire. Are we close to an over? Are are
we pasted it? Or where are we in this formerly
Big East rivalry? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
We are. It's great to be with everyone. Happy New Year,
Merry Christmas, belated. Yeah, we're already over the total here Rutgers. So,
Rutgers was a big underdog in this game. I'm about
three four point underdog in this game when the line opened,
and then we heard about all the opt outs from Miami.
And that's really what drives a lot of this Bowl season. Mayhem,
I'll call it. I mean, the lines move in crazy
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directions because the players opt out and the players are
back in and then they're opting out and then they
might have the flu and then maybe they're gonna play,
and then they play for a half and they opt
out at halftime.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Like it.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
It really is a difficult landscape, but it's fun. And
I don't know if the ball season is going to
last in this current iteration for very much longer. Like
I do think eventually, because of the expansion of college football,
it'll be tweaked in some way. Maybe we lose some
of these kind of BC plus games. But right now
it's fun Yankee Stadium in Fenway Park. What else can
(20:06):
you ask for in the late December, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Was gonna say, is it fun? Though, because like I
think people like look at betting preseason than the NFL
as being crazy. But I still think that you have
more knowledge about that. I mean, like how much knowledge
can you get from from all? I mean, because it
is absurd, Like the opt out list for Florida State
is like five pages long, you know, you know, like.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
That's an extreme circumstance obviously, all right, but there's I
agree with the premise that I think something has to change,
and I think incentivizing the kids to play is the
first thing I saw I read last year the Super
Bowl Winner, right, and you don't want to compare NFL
to college. But we're getting to the Bowls, so they're sponsors.
The Super Bowl winning team, each player received like one
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hundred fifty grand just for being in the game, and
even the losing players got like seventy five grand. So
why can't we take a slice of the TV money
and you know, maybe give these kids a reason to
stay and play these games, or move the Bowls to
the earlier part of the season. So I don't know
what the answer is, but I'm assuming at some point.
The one thing I have noticed is the quality of
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the sponsors have gone down, Like we've gotten to the
point where it's like, you know, local places are sponsoring
these games. I think that the money is just running out,
and eventually there'll be a change, I'm sure, but probably
five ten years down the road. The Mulberry Bowl, yeah right,
the Wassabi Fenway Ball, which is not the wasabi you
eat for sushi.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I don't know all of these bull names.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yes, they're fun.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Agree that they're fun. I agree they are fine. I
just know, you know, like the pop Tar Bowl. I
saw the trophy. You can actually put a pop tart
in it?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Does it heat up?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
The pop tart.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Toasted pop dark.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Guys, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
You know, what's the flavor?
Speaker 7 (21:45):
You know?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Isberry?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Yeah, got more, smaller, bluberry, blueberry, blueberry, blueberry, solitary. Yeah no,
get the heck out of Youerry heart Pass.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I guess I'm out.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
These are the hard hitting questions we ask ourselves during
bull season.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
This is.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You don't have to talk about bowls and pop tarts anymore.
We could talk about NFL action. Sure. Matti and I
just got into a heated argument over the MVP.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Can I settle it?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
It depends whose side are you on.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Well, we'll figure out what the arguments are first.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'll be the judge here, Matzy Lamar Jackson is the
MVP favorite right now. She thinks that it should be
Christian McCaffrey's. Is that fair enough?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
In simple words?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
So, I think the reason why this is a struggle
for a lot. You know, when you're watching the games,
you're like, man, it's Christian mccaffick. Guy, he's the best
player in the field. And I think you could make
that case for Lamar Jackson as well. The issue and
the argument against a non quarterback winning the award is
just the precedent, like it has nothing to do with
how good. And yes, you could make that case as well,
(22:47):
but it's kind of like a closer trying to win
Cy Young. It's just it's really hard to do. You
have to be exceptional because there's a separate award for
the Offensive Player of the Year that historically has gone
to a skill position guy, and we had. There hasn't
been a running back that's won the MVP since twenty twelve,
and that was Adrian Peterson, and I don't know if
(23:08):
McCaffrey's on that level. Maybe he is, but I think
it's just you're fighting an uphill battle because you're you're
not voting on or you're not betting on who is
you think the best player is. You're betting on who
the voters are going to vote for, and historically speaking,
they haven't voted for a running back in this award.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You make a good point about betting, and I hear
everything you're saying. I just don't think that there has
been a dominant quarterback all season. So I think the
Lamar jumping, it's like we're prisoners of the moment because
of that.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Yes, well, the recency bias unfortunately in our society is prevalent, right,
and it seeps through into the gambling space because again,
we're it's not like we're betting on who won or
lost the game. We're betting on or and we're handicapping.
We're trying to analyze what the voters will do. And
it's it's definitely a divide that I think a lot
(23:57):
of people, smart people on both sides. Like when you
watch the games, it's very fair to say Christian mcaffrey's
the best player on the field, but he'll win the
Offensive Player of the Year award and Lamar will win
the MVP and everyone will kind of go home happy.
And that's just I think the way the viewed the
voters view it.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I got one more on the MVP. I was surprised.
I was surprised. I didn't I don't believe that brock
Perty is the most Valuable Player And then I never
had it, never bought into that, sure, but I was
surprised Jared that he fell as far as he did
in the odds, Like it wasn't just oh, Lamar passed him.
So Purty's now second, is that is that odd? Is
that is that? Or does that normally happen when someone's
(24:34):
on the perch and they get knocked off in.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
I think it's because of the nature of the game
and how little runway there is left in the season.
For example, if that game took place in week five,
you probably don't see as big of an odds shift.
Like if Brock and Lamar look good the first four
weeks and then they play each other in October and
Lamar whoops him up, you probably don't see a massive move.
But there's only two weeks left in the ear, and
(24:57):
really for Lamar and the Ravens, there's one week left.
The Ravens win this week, they're the one seed, and
that's it. For Lamar, you won't see him again until
the divisional round. So because there's such little runway left,
that time horizon shortens a primetime game like that and
a Christmas Day game of the year. I mean, it's
just there was so much, you know, Annie up in
the middle there that I think the move makes sense.
(25:18):
Maybe it was a little I think a lot of
it too was maybe Brock was overinflated at the position
he was in to your point that maybe he wasn't
really the MVP favorite, even going into that week and
we kind of saw the truth, you know, come out,
and obviously Lamar Jackson is the truth in this situation.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So like, do you think if the Dolphins win, does
that you know, all of a sudden put tua Yeah
at the top for.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
MVP depends on how the game plays out. If it's
if it's twenty to nineteen Dolphins defense and Fangio's got
a great scheme for Lamar and they button him up
and you know, you get a late field goal that
wins it. And two is kind of scuffling because Wattle's
not in the game, no, But if it's to a
four touchdown, no waddle and they still go off on
a good Ravens defense, then yes, I think how the
(26:05):
game plays out matters. For example, if the Niners had
won on Monday Night and it was twenty to nineteen
and the Niners buttoned up Lamar and Justin Tucker hit
a fifty eight yard field goal at the horn to
win it, I don't think the jump happens, but it
was because Lamar looked like Superman out there and they
scored thirty plus on a very good defense. I think
that's why you saw that move as wide as it was.
(26:26):
But if it's a close game on Sunday and the
Dolphins squeak went out, it might not be that cutting dry.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Jared Smith joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. You
can hear them every Saturday morning with Brian Know and
Rich Ornberger and countdown to kickoff nine o'clock Eastern Time,
presented by MGM. She's Mante Bolanio, So I'm dan by
her in for Cavino and Rich. So let's get to
that Dolphins Ravens game. Ravens come into week seventeen three
and a half point favorite. I'm a little surprised by that.
(26:50):
Is there? Is it short week? A cross country trip?
Is that what plays into that number?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Situationally, it's a bad spot for Baltimore, but they're a
really tough team, and I think you could say situationally
it's not a great spot for Miami either. I mean,
that was not a pretty game that they won on Sunday,
but they put themselves in a position now to be
the number one seed and we'll see if they can
be the bully like they Miami likes being the bully
(27:15):
against the bad teams, but they haven't done as well
managing up. I mean, this is arguably the best, most
talented team they're going to face all season. I think
the total here, especially if if Waddle's out, and I
don't know that for sure, but I'm seeing that he's
not one hundred percent that I think takes the top
a little bit off this Miami offense. And you can
make a case under forty seven that Baltimore's defense kind
(27:36):
of hems in Miami. And obviously the Ravens offense might
not be as explosive as it was last week. And
Vic Fangiel has done a really good job with this
Dolphins defense, So I think this could be more of
a defensive game than maybe the total is telling me
here at the early.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That was my laptop.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Okay, let's move on to Let's move on to the
Chiefs and the bang. Oh yeah, let's literally what I know.
It threw me off.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
The Chiefs hosting the Bengal I think they're favored by
eight maybe seven.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I feel like that seems a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I just because the Chiefs look a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
I think that's a good I think it's hard to
find adjectives. Yeah, for the Chiefs team, I frankly, hissy
fit is one that comes to mind with Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, I don't, and.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
I know that's not an adjective, but I mean maybe
we can coin it, because it's just it seems like
there's just something in the water there in Kansas City
that's just throwing off the vibes. I think this is
a like situationally speaking. I think this is a good
spot for them because the backs are against the wall
and Mahomes typically does not drop consecutive games, and there's
(28:42):
a lot of things that you can point to why
you would want to beat Kansas City this week.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
But it's really tough to lay.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
A touchdown with a team that struggles to score touchdown,
right and a team that lost last week, you know,
against a team that didn't score an offensive touchdown and
they still lost the game. So I don't want to
lay a big number with Cam the City right now.
I think you want to put him in a money
line parlay, or you want to tease that line down
get it to a much more manageable number for the
Chiefs this week.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I got one last one for you because we're going
to end on the bowl game Michigan now favored in
the Rose Bowl against Alabama. Why are we seeing that.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Well, everyone's betting Bama. But the thing about the line movement,
and we can have like a whole show on this,
but the public doesn't move the line. The people that
move the lines are the respected gamblers. You know, there's
a few groups of them, and when the sportsbooks get
action from them, that's what will move the line. So
you're seeing a lot of people love Alabama in this game,
(29:36):
and I understand. I mean, they certainly have a lot
of upside. I love Jalen Milroe getting him an extra
set of bull practices. I think that's going to help
his development. But Michigan's a little more polished, right. They
were in this spot last year and it didn't. It
didn't work out for them, even though it was a
very back and forth game against TCU. And I think
the experience, I mean, you're watching these Bowl games, Dan,
the first quarter is like a blur. I mean, these
(29:57):
kids are like their eighteen year old kids, and you
could tell they're like shake it, it's it's it's a
I think the experience matters for Michigan, and I think
that's why you're seeing some respected money on the Wolverines
x's and o's wise, it's pretty easy to handicap. I
think Michigan's got the better defense, Alabama probably more explosive
on offense. Who gets the better that matchup probably wins
the game. Can McCarty make a few plays? I mean,
I think this is a tight game, but the respected
(30:18):
money right now definitely favoring the wolver Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
You got to take into account too, how much Michigan's
gonna cheat. So you've got that.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
You can always put that into the stew Dan that
you pick off before this game.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Oh, the cheaters that they are. Jared Smith here on
Fox Sports Radio again. Catch him Saturday morning with Brian
Know and Rich Hoornberger on Countdown to Kickoff presented by
Pat MGM. Jared appreciate it. We'll talk to you against
you man.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Good luck, Oh thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Dog Talk yes and Dog Talk yesterday. Isaac Lowancron asked
in Better or Worse that we played Cats are Dogs,
and I said, this is why people are gonna hate me,
because I said kats. Isaac Lowancron is here to give
us the latest of what's happening on this Thursday.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Did I strike a nerve Monty. He's just predicated on
what happened yesterday with Denver. Denver's Aaron Gordon being out
indefinitely because it.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Was my dog by a dog. Yeah, do we know
what kind of dog?
Speaker 8 (31:13):
A very angry one.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Apparently it tends to be.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
The angry ones are the smallest ones usually, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 8 (31:20):
This is pretty good, pretty good insight.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It tends to be the smaller ones are.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
They inflict a lot of damage though, like a little Yeah,
I want I wonder what kind of dog it was?
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Yeah, put a lot of annoyance.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, dog could not be reached for comment.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
I still defend you think you think it was a
CORGI no, absolutely not exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Like you guys are playing dom. You guys are playing dom.
I wonder what kind of dog it was. You're like,
you're saying it's a little dog. Know it's notches, Like,
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I just want to know what kind of dog it was.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I will work my sources in the Denver dog park
community because you want you want to talk about rough
places dog parks, they have a hierarchy and I'm not
talking about the dog.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
By the way, he's anybody asked who let the dogs out?
Is anybody like are we asking the right questions here?
Are seriously are we asking the right questions?
Speaker 9 (32:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Let the dogs out.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
In The answer to the Baha men is that.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
They used to be a real big thing. By the way,
with the New York Mets, unfortunately was big for them
back in the year two thousand. We will move on
to the year twenty twenty three where Houston Texans quarterback C. J.
Stroud has cleared concussion protocol. Texans at eight and seven,
the eight seed in the AFC, le'll be hosting the
Titans on Sunday. The Viking is going to be starting
rookie fifth round draft pick Jaron Hall at quarterback over
(32:51):
Nick Mullins this Sunday night against the Green Bay Packers
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(33:11):
Slash credit card. In college football at the pinstrip bull
Right now, Rutgers leads Miami thirty one to seventeen with
twenty eight seconds left in the fourth court of Miami
just into the end zone, so they trail thirty one
to twenty three right now with the conversion pending. Earlier
today at the Fenway Bowl, Boston College defeated number twenty
four SMU twenty three to fourteen.
Speaker 9 (33:33):
Coping up.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
On Monday, Alabama and Michigan meet in the Rose Bowl,
and today multiple Alabama players said that Alabama coaches have
stopped uploading video of their practices to the player's iPads,
apparently due to concerns that Michigan might hack into them.
Players also total reporters coaches are not allowing them to
study video on their iPads at all prior to the
(33:56):
Rose Bowl game, and are instead only studying video in settings.
Back to Monsy and me, and if Kanye West was
sitting in for Dan, it would be Monsy and Ye.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Back to you. Thank you very much, Isaac.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Day.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yeah, there are worse, but there are better, that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
Well.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Thanks, I'm good, she's wants I'm Dan Byer. We are
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I'm Dan Bayer. This isn't my my new social media platform,
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Just Dan Byer on Blue Sky. A good job by Iowa, Sam,
Who's hanging out? Jason Stewart and Isaac Loincron are here
as well as we allow for the tirec dot Com
studios in for Cavino and Rich. It's been a busy
day in college football with a game at Fenway Park,
(35:39):
in a game at Yankee Stadium. There used to be
a day at time, Manzi, And I don't know if
you realize that this time exists, but I know the
other guys do. Where combo stadiums of baseball and football
were a normal thing. And even back in the day
that then, not the New Yankee Stadium obviously, but the
old Yankee Stadium. The New York Football Giant used to
(36:01):
play there. A lot of places, a lot of times
the football and baseball professional teams would share stadiums. As
time went on, it got fewer and fewer, and now
there's very few. The last one remaining, I'd say it
was probably an Oakland, right, guys, that'd probably be the
last one that we remember the most of when the
A's and Raiders ended up sharing the same stadium. But
(36:22):
like Wrigley Field his host in college football games in
the past. I know you're Iowa Hawkeyes, yea sam have
played at Wrigley Field.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Everything except for the turf which became like a sand pit. Everything,
but that was fantastic. And I now am a Peacock
subscriber and I love the product. The game was incredibly
well shot and like it was beautiful. So yeah, I
think you know the Wriglar experience. Iowa fans loved it.
It was like a home game.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I have one question, Yes, does this change the dimensions.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Because all I didn't know this was a thing, even
though I guess I did know about the Raiders and
the A's not that you said I didn't know that,
but as a Dodger fan, they played at the coliseum
and the dimensions were different, So, like, does it change
for these Bowl games?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Like the dimensions of Well, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Funny you say that because obviously a football field you
don't have any leeway as you would an outfield wall. Right.
For the first time when they returned to Wrigley Field,
it was a Northwestern Illinois game, and because the field
the back of the end zone and the brick wall
you're talking about the first one, right, Yes, we're so close. Yes,
for safety concerns, they ditched the idea of playing into
(37:30):
that end zone, so they just all for the entire
game they went into one direction of the end zone.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
They have, Yeah, taking seats out to a commody, the
dugout actually correct to accommodate the whole field.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
And because it's not an easy fit. Growing up, the
Green May Packers used to play three games a year,
two regular season, one preseason in Milwaukee. And the change
that you would see, Manzi, is that the teams on
the sideline are on the same side the field. I
believe that's what you have here, or what you had
for the for the Pinstripe Bowl. But instead of the
(38:06):
sidelines ending at like the twenty five or the thirty
yard line, they would actually extend down to the twenties
because you would go from the twenty to fifty yard
line would be one team and then from the fifty
to the twenty yard line would be the other team.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Also, you used to be like that at old Metropolitan
Stadium where the Vikings and Twins used to play before
they built the Metro Dome. And also, I know you're
too young to remember this as well, Monsei, but this
is going to be driving Mansey crazy. But the other
telltale sign was up until September, you would have the
NFL games being played and the baseball infield was still
there and they'd have to temp field goals of all
(38:38):
life from there.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yes, it's crazy. For what they've done with the Dolphins Stadium.
And she's been there for you know, since the late
mid to late eighties now. But that used to be
the home of the Marlins, and so it was designed
as a football stadium, and then the Marlins coming in
about in nineteen ninety three, so the Marlins play there.
They retrofit it for baseball or try to make it
work for baseball, and then the Marlins leave and now
it's back to being a football stadium. Crazy crazy, Yeah,
(39:02):
Vikings and Twins share the Metrodome. That's why you would
have the big garbage bag, because you would take all
those seats and move them back.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Up in the Gohers Gophers play there too, Yep, up
until two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I kind of liked that.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I wish it was still more a thing.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
And there's only so many classic baseball stadiums around now
where you can get that nostalgia. Sorry, pet go not
the same as Fenway or Yankee Stadium or in this case,
as we talk Wrigley. She's Montsi Belaio. So I'm Dan
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It is Cavino and Rich. Yes, we give away our
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Be a lot to get to. Jared Smith or good
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here on Fox Sports Radio will join us. Get us
all set not only for the bowl games that are remaining,
but also a week seventeen in the National Football League.
He will join us in about twenty five minutes or
so here on Fox Sports Radio. Also realized. If you
go to x dot com Twitter, you can see Monty
(01:44):
and I chopping it up about Sean Payton. You can
also see the sweatshirt that I'm wearing. Do you want
to guess, Iowa, Sam, how old the sweatshirt is?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Okay, first meet, what did Moncey guests? No, no, no, no,
I'm going.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
To say that that is from two thousand and five,
two thousand and five.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Can you get it?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
That's how he asked it. He does say, what year
is this sweatshirt?
Speaker 4 (02:06):
I'm just well, it's a North Carolina sweatshirt, a Jordan Brand.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Won and net North Carolina's tar heels sweatshirt, didn' they
winn't know?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Five?
Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah it did, Sean May.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
I just feel like it's not as old as Nancy things,
which she may have said, what, I don't know, twenty
five years old. I'm gonna say, uh, you know, like
eighteen years old.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
You know, Jason Stewart, you want to take a guess.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm going to go there.
Speaker 7 (02:26):
I'm going to go there. So, uh what George Lynch
and Bunch didn't they beat Michigan in ninety three.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
In ninety thirty?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
That does not look thirty.
Speaker 7 (02:34):
Years So I'm gonna say you purchased it in May
of ninety three.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
The lines on a division.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
He knows how much I hate Michigan, So it would
it would make me buy a Carolina sweatshirt. Isaac Low
and Crown.
Speaker 8 (02:46):
Well, you left it in the studio one day and
there was a Mitch cup Jack inscription. Now there was
all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with the George
Lynch answer just for fun. I'm gonna say nineteen ninety.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Three, nineteen ninety two answers of the same milk Mancy,
tell them your answer.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I wouldn't give a year. Yeah, I didn't give a year.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
And I was like sitting up the lights and he
was like, oh, do you think this sweashirt? So obviously
it was it's old. I was like, I'm thirty years old,
and he got so.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Mad that I thirty years old. Do you remember the
crap we wore thirty years ago? It didn't it didn't breathe,
there was there was no height, There was nothing high
tech about anything. The cuffs on the sleeves were like
a foot long, so you had to fold them back.
Speaker 8 (03:27):
Zubas we wore zubas thirty years ago.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
This is a Jordan brand Carolina sweatshirt purchased in the
year two thousand. Wow. Yeah, yes, Iowa Sam the winner here.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I don't know if we're doing prices right rules?
Speaker 1 (03:41):
He went over he did, okay, but I was I
was the closest parce.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yes, but that's price is right rules.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Oh, plus I can play this, Yes, that is correct.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
There you go.
Speaker 7 (03:55):
Where is that from?
Speaker 9 (03:56):
Right?
Speaker 5 (03:57):
From Conan O'Brien, Oh, do that? And then they it
went past the year two thousand. They kept doing because
it's funny.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
And true story. And then we'll move on because Manzi
is absurd with what she's about to tell you. This
sweatshirt used to dwarf me, Okay, now comfortably fit.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, I still have clothes from my youth where it's
like it fits, and I'm.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Like, oh, it's perfect. It's because of all the times
I've watched it. It has nothing to do with me.
I'm totally kidding, it's everything to do with me. And
throw the dryer.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I did say that it doesn't even look faded for
how long he's had it. I think it looks pretty good.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Yeah, it's high quality. Yeah it doesn't look nineties Carolina, though.
I just like there's something about the the text. It
looks more like it's from the this new millennium. Yes,
two thousand the two, that's when. That's when you got
it the.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Fuck out of the Out of the four guesses, three
of the guesses were the exact same timeframe, but you
chose to be offended by Manzi. Yes he was, Isaac,
and I said the same thirty years ago. It works
for me, It works for me.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I was more hung up on the fact that you
couldn't come up with different answers, so that like Isaac
piggybacked off of yours in ninety three, I do it's
gotta be.
Speaker 8 (05:12):
I wanted to call him time out on my guests,
but I didn't get a chance to.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
I was out. Ohio State beatn North Carolina in the
nineteen ninety two NCAA Tournament in the sweet sixteen. Then
they lost to Michigan, which then the next year. You
would have given me an opportunity. I did not buy
this for Henry Rodel did not, but I just like
the look of it. You don't think Lamar Jackson's the
most valuable player in the National Football.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
This is a bad hurt.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
What are you talking about? You are absurd. Listen.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
This sounds like I don't like Lamar Jackson, and that's
not what it is at all. I think Lamar Jackson
has come out and has become a better quarterback this year.
He is doing better than I thought throwing the ball
and just you know, being the quarterback, especially after losing
his favorite target to Mark Andrews.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And I see it. I see it.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But to me, the MVP is somebody who has been
kicking ass and taking names week after week. He had
a great game against the forty nine ers, great game,
the defense exquisite against the forty nine ers. But he's
also had four games this year without a touchdown pass
four then he's had other games where he had one
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touchdown two games like he's he has not been. In
the words of Colin cowhard, stars attract stars, and I'm.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Just saying this is what we do. You know and rich,
but I.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Want my quarterbacks to be quarterback ye And to me,
Lamar Jackson is just a great athlete and he's done
a really good job, and he had a great game
against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Prisoners of the moment.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
He is not the MVP. Christian McCaffrey is the MVP,
and he has been. I've been saying this for weeks.
It's not like I just decided after this game. That's
what happened with Lamar. After this game. He jumped up,
but he wasn't even in the conversation. He was like
an afterthought. It was always like to the no, it's
Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And then two and.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
You know, I'm not a huge fan of Tyreek Hill
because of what he does off the field. But you know,
it's a separate conversation. He's the second one. If it's
not Christian, it's Tyreek Hill. Those are the two that
have stood out every week every week, not Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
It's not that I don't like Lamar. It's not that
he's not doing a good job. He is doing a
good job, but he's not the MVP. I'm sorry to
say it.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
You can give Christian McCaffrey a most Outstanding Offensive player,
you can give him the Offensive Player of the Year awards.
That's fine, But the value of what Lamar Jackson provides
to the Baltimore Ravens is more than Christian McCaffrey. And
this is a Niners team again, Manzi that chased a
stupid touchdown record and tried to get Christian McCaffrey NFL
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history in a game where they're up thirty points. Just
because he scores a lot of touchdowns doesn't put him
over the edge. And because he's scoring touchdowns every week
doesn't make him the most valuable play.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I don't even think that's all it is.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Because Raheem Mostert has what one touchdowns for Miami's scored
this season.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
It's not even just that. It's the eye test. He
looks like no one can stop him. When they were
playing the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
His touchdown that he scored where it was still close,
nobody could stop him. He looked unstoppable when he hit
that win. He scored that touchdown, and I just like,
no quarterback. I know that it's like, this is a
quarterback award, which is so annoying to hear. No quarterback
has had a dominant performance the entire season. And if
I am going to give it to a quarterback, how
is it not Tua? Like I don't it is. I
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don't think it's Lamar. And even though everyone is shifting
that way, I just don't see it because of this game.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It's prisoners of the moment. Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Shouldn't have been this than this past game. Be the
game that Christian McCaffrey takes over, and then shade me
have taken over that game.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
You know, it's really hard when your quarterback throws four picks.
It's really are You don't get the ball as often.
But he had more rushing yards McCaffrey by himself than
the entire Ravens offense on the ground.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Well, in the games that Lamar Jackson didn't throw touchdown passes,
he did.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Use his legs and he always has.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
Yes, they lost to the Colts, you know, and over
time he had one hundred yards on the ground and
two touchdowns. The fact of that we go week by
week by this, I think is silly. I think that
as we look at it and you're trying to pinpoint stuff.
I did something two years ago. It was more of
an experiment and I don't do it anymore. But I
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did an MVP pyramid. And this is the exact reason why,
is because I know it frustrates you that names are
just popping up kind of out of nowhere where. And
if I'm hearing you right, you're saying, look at what
Christian McCaffrey has done week after week after week, consistent effort.
There hasn't been a drop off, say in a party
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performance like we had last weekend, or against the Brons,
or to Lamar jackson performance in the points that you made.
What ends up happening. This happens a lot in the
NBA where randomly in March someone will have a great
game and all of a sudden, they just they jump
like nine players in the MVP Ladder. I remember Kawhi
Leonard like about five ten years ago, all of a
sudden at a sixty point game in March, and people
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are like Kawhi Leonard's the MVP. We didn't talked about
him for five months, will not Clippers, but remember the
Spurs he did this. The point being is guys automatically
shoot up and all of a sudden just appear, and
I just don't think that is the case with Lamar.
I think that brock perty fit the suit, something that
Mike Harmon and I talked about in a Fantasy football podcast.
(10:33):
At times, he fit the mo Hey quarterback of the
team that we think is the best that is putting
up these great numbers fits the suit. I don't mind
the blemishes as much. What I look at is the
adversity that Lamar Jackson had to overcome just to put
up the numbers that he put up. And your point
about Mark Andrews is just one that cannot be overstated.
(10:54):
There's also the point of him developing a chemistry with
a new receiving corps that is that that includes Odell
Beckham Junior and Jay Flowers and they are now. I
like Jay Flowers, I think a lot of people did.
In the draft pick first round pick, he thought he
would emerge. I did not believe in Odell Beckham Junior
as a viable threat at all, and I think he
is now. And maybe that's a typical cap toin Odell
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Beckham Junior, but Lamar also plays a role in that
because Obj isn't the same obij as he was a
few years ago. And honestly, their running game now without JK.
Dobbins for a majority of the season, it's great that
they have Gus Edwards and Justice Hill and then for
a while had Keaton Mitchell and then they've lost him.
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To see them put that performance together, and again it
wasn't all Lamar, but to be able to fill the
gaps that they would have offensively because of what is
missing just makes me talk about his value and what
he means to the team so much more than a
forty nine ers team that has basically had their entire
core for the entire series.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
And I think that's a little bit unfair in the
sense because it's like, just because Christian McCaffrey is part
of this already awesome team, people aren't seeing what he
has been doing or appreciating what he has been doing
week after week after week. I agree with you that
Lamar Jackson has done a really good job this year.
I think he's gotten better. He is not, you know,
making decisions. Like to me, he can't throw the ball
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the way other quarterbacks can throw the ball, and he
you know, is managing that. He knows what he can do,
he knows his strengths, and he's great on the ground
all of that. But like the O line for the
Ravens is a big part of why he has done
so well. The defense you can't deny. I mean it's
always been Ravens defense for years. They've always had a
good defense. But like for me, again, I want my.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Quarterbacks to be quarterback.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Ye if the Ravens are down by a touchdown, eight points,
ten points, and they have the ball in less than
two minutes, I don't know if Lamar can do it.
Can throw the ball and you know, do it in
a quick amount of time, He's going to run the ball,
which takes up time. So that's how I see it too.
I'm just like, he is good. That's not what I'm saying.
(12:56):
I'm not saying he's not good. He's just not the
greatest quarterback week after week after week.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
So you hated the Golden Bachelor because it wasn't some
young in that was looking for love.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
That is what did that have to do?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Because you're saying that Lamar Jackson is not quarterback and
that he doesn't look like the quarterback that we, you know,
love the drop back, which has always been it's it's
not because you're saying it. I've just I've never felt
that that's part of the conversation like some of the
dropback passers, like, we want everybody to have a career
that lasts fifteen years in the National Football League and
have you go to Super Bowls and championship games and
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be able to dissect the defense like Tom Brady did,
like Drew Brees did, And it's just it's not realistic.
It's never been like that. It really hasn't. But we
put the guys who last fifteen years because they've been
there fifteen years when we know them the most of
that being quarterback, hean I've just never been a I
don't mind when a guy runs If Cam Newton's career
is eight seasons and it's the top of the game.
I'm fine with that. That's what he does in his
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skill set. Same thing with.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Lama And I'm not taking that away from Lamar because
I don't Lamar isn't the type of quarterback justin fields
when he said I'm the best running quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I hate that.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
I hate that he runs the ball and he does
it well, but he's he I don't think wants to
categorize himself as only a running quarterback.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
I think Lamar Jackson wants to be more than that,
and he has done that this year.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And I agree his receivers that he has are not
the greatest receivers.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
I get that. Like he has done a good job.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
I just think that the team around him is a
big factor in why he has done well. And it's
the defense more than anything in my opinion. And again
it's just not in the sixteen seventeen weeks, Lamar Jackson
has not stood out week after a week. McCaffrey has
stood out week after a week. Tyreek Hill has stood
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out week after week.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
What about his eleven carry forty three yard game against
the Browns.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
That was a bad one, and I yeah, that was
a bad one. I'll give you a yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
What about the fifteen carries in forty five yards against
Minnesota when they lost? That one was rough, But yeah,
see that it happens. It happens with all these guys,
like you can't have you can't have a perfect ledger.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But this year, you can't deny that there has been
no dominant quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
No, but there's never There's never been a game that
I thought San Francisco couldn't win without if they didn't
have Christian McCaffrey. There's never a point where I thought,
you know what this team would be nowhere without CMC, you.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Know, and that sucks.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
That just sucks that that is the like, yes, well, yeah,
the offense changes, but they still have other weapons. They
still have Jalen Wattle, they still have Rahee Mostert, they
still have Devan a Chan. But yet the critique for
Christian McCaffrey is not the same for Tyreek Hill.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
But the offense did change with Miami, like we saw
for a half against the Titans.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Again, it had to change, right because it's Tyreek Right. No,
I agree with you.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
I just I feel that the criticism with Christian McCaffrey
that he's surrounded that he's in this really good team
and he's not getting the credit when it's like, just
watch the games.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
He stands out well he does.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Because he's getting the ball and they're blocking guys you know,
ten yards down.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And he's such a hybrid running back.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Here's what I think is interesting about the Tyreek kill
Christian McCaffrey. And we do have to put a ball
on this because Jared Smith's goin to Jonas cinema. No Jared, Yeah,
that's Jared. He's coming up in eight minutes. The offense
you know I'm talking about, right, it can only be
Jared on the Dolphins in forty nine ers, Mike McDaniel
comes from San Francisco, runs from the Kyle Shampan system running.
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They're not they're not identical, but there are a lot
of similarities in what they have and so like the
point that you see and like even with the Dolphins,
like if it's not where he mostarted, it's eight chan
and eight Chan's dinged ups. I guess what. Jeff Wilson Junior,
who was in San Francisco like Moster it was, comes
in and they help, you know, seal that win against
the Dolphins. I think that there's even some similarities and
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parallels that you can make from those two. I'm not
saying that if you took Brandon Ayuk out of the
forty nine ers lineup that there is nothing that you
can do. I think maybe that would have a bigger
sort of effect than maybe what you would see if
Elijah Mitchell or Jordan Mason to go over the running
back position from San Francisco. And I think that's what
you see with Miami in this in why it's it
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may not be apples to apples, but I think it's
pretty darn close. And it's also I just I think
that he's a product of what they do in San Francisco,
and there was never a point where San Francisco couldn't
have won a game if they didn't have Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
That's not fair.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
She's Manzie Milanos, I'm dan Byer. She's sticking to her guns.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Lamar Jackson is fifteenth and sixteenth and touchdowns at nineteen
like he's g can't, I can't, I can't, I can't check.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
On this tree.
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dot Com. Isaac Longcrown in ten minutes to give us
the latest of what's going on. He'll probably give us
a final of what's happening in the Pinstripe Bowl our
next guest. You can hear them on Fox Sports radios.
Countdown to Kickoff, presented by bet MGM every Saturday morning,
nine o'clock Eastern times, six s Pacific. Jared Smith joins
the program. I'm Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Jared. Is
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there anything that we need to worry about this bad
boy Mower's Pinstripe ball? Is there anything on the line
as Rutgers in Miami, you know, are coming down to
the wire. Are we close to an over? Are are
we pasted it? Or where are we in this formerly
Big East rivalry? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
We are. It's great to be with everyone. Happy New Year,
Merry Christmas, belated. Yeah, we're already over the total here Rutgers. So,
Rutgers was a big underdog in this game. I'm about
three four point underdog in this game when the line opened,
and then we heard about all the opt outs from Miami.
And that's really what drives a lot of this Bowl season. Mayhem,
I'll call it. I mean, the lines move in crazy
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directions because the players opt out and the players are
back in and then they're opting out and then they
might have the flu and then maybe they're gonna play,
and then they play for a half and they opt
out at halftime.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Like it.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
It really is a difficult landscape, but it's fun. And
I don't know if the ball season is going to
last in this current iteration for very much longer. Like
I do think eventually, because of the expansion of college football,
it'll be tweaked in some way. Maybe we lose some
of these kind of BC plus games. But right now
it's fun Yankee Stadium in Fenway Park. What else can
(20:06):
you ask for in the late December, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
Was gonna say, is it fun? Though, because like I
think people like look at betting preseason than the NFL
as being crazy. But I still think that you have
more knowledge about that. I mean, like how much knowledge
can you get from from all? I mean, because it
is absurd, Like the opt out list for Florida State
is like five pages long, you know, you know, like.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
That's an extreme circumstance obviously, all right, but there's I
agree with the premise that I think something has to change,
and I think incentivizing the kids to play is the
first thing I saw I read last year the Super
Bowl Winner, right, and you don't want to compare NFL
to college. But we're getting to the Bowls, so they're sponsors.
The Super Bowl winning team, each player received like one
(20:48):
hundred fifty grand just for being in the game, and
even the losing players got like seventy five grand. So
why can't we take a slice of the TV money
and you know, maybe give these kids a reason to
stay and play these games, or move the Bowls to
the earlier part of the season. So I don't know
what the answer is, but I'm assuming at some point.
The one thing I have noticed is the quality of
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the sponsors have gone down, Like we've gotten to the
point where it's like, you know, local places are sponsoring
these games. I think that the money is just running out,
and eventually there'll be a change, I'm sure, but probably
five ten years down the road. The Mulberry Bowl, yeah right,
the Wassabi Fenway Ball, which is not the wasabi you
eat for sushi.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
I don't know all of these bull names.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yes, they're fun.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Agree that they're fun. I agree they are fine. I
just know, you know, like the pop Tar Bowl. I
saw the trophy. You can actually put a pop tart
in it?
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Does it heat up?
Speaker 4 (21:39):
The pop tart.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Toasted pop dark.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Guys, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
You know, what's the flavor?
Speaker 7 (21:45):
You know?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Isberry?
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Yeah, got more, smaller, bluberry, blueberry, blueberry, blueberry, solitary. Yeah no,
get the heck out of Youerry heart Pass.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
I guess I'm out.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
These are the hard hitting questions we ask ourselves during
bull season.
Speaker 9 (21:59):
This is.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You don't have to talk about bowls and pop tarts anymore.
We could talk about NFL action. Sure. Matti and I
just got into a heated argument over the MVP.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Can I settle it?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
It depends whose side are you on.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
Well, we'll figure out what the arguments are first.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
I'll be the judge here, Matzy Lamar Jackson is the
MVP favorite right now. She thinks that it should be
Christian McCaffrey's. Is that fair enough?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
In simple words?
Speaker 6 (22:27):
So, I think the reason why this is a struggle
for a lot. You know, when you're watching the games,
you're like, man, it's Christian mccaffick. Guy, he's the best
player in the field. And I think you could make
that case for Lamar Jackson as well. The issue and
the argument against a non quarterback winning the award is
just the precedent, like it has nothing to do with
how good. And yes, you could make that case as well,
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but it's kind of like a closer trying to win
Cy Young. It's just it's really hard to do. You
have to be exceptional because there's a separate award for
the Offensive Player of the Year that historically has gone
to a skill position guy, and we had. There hasn't
been a running back that's won the MVP since twenty twelve,
and that was Adrian Peterson, and I don't know if
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McCaffrey's on that level. Maybe he is, but I think
it's just you're fighting an uphill battle because you're you're
not voting on or you're not betting on who is
you think the best player is. You're betting on who
the voters are going to vote for, and historically speaking,
they haven't voted for a running back in this award.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
You make a good point about betting, and I hear
everything you're saying. I just don't think that there has
been a dominant quarterback all season. So I think the
Lamar jumping, it's like we're prisoners of the moment because
of that.
Speaker 6 (23:36):
Yes, well, the recency bias unfortunately in our society is prevalent, right,
and it seeps through into the gambling space because again,
we're it's not like we're betting on who won or
lost the game. We're betting on or and we're handicapping.
We're trying to analyze what the voters will do. And
it's it's definitely a divide that I think a lot
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of people, smart people on both sides. Like when you
watch the games, it's very fair to say Christian mcaffrey's
the best player on the field, but he'll win the
Offensive Player of the Year award and Lamar will win
the MVP and everyone will kind of go home happy.
And that's just I think the way the viewed the
voters view it.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
I got one more on the MVP. I was surprised.
I was surprised. I didn't I don't believe that brock
Perty is the most Valuable Player And then I never
had it, never bought into that, sure, but I was
surprised Jared that he fell as far as he did
in the odds, Like it wasn't just oh, Lamar passed him.
So Purty's now second, is that is that odd? Is
that is that? Or does that normally happen when someone's
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on the perch and they get knocked off in.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
I think it's because of the nature of the game
and how little runway there is left in the season.
For example, if that game took place in week five,
you probably don't see as big of an odds shift.
Like if Brock and Lamar look good the first four
weeks and then they play each other in October and
Lamar whoops him up, you probably don't see a massive move.
But there's only two weeks left in the ear, and
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really for Lamar and the Ravens, there's one week left.
The Ravens win this week, they're the one seed, and
that's it. For Lamar, you won't see him again until
the divisional round. So because there's such little runway left,
that time horizon shortens a primetime game like that and
a Christmas Day game of the year. I mean, it's
just there was so much, you know, Annie up in
the middle there that I think the move makes sense.
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Maybe it was a little I think a lot of
it too was maybe Brock was overinflated at the position
he was in to your point that maybe he wasn't
really the MVP favorite, even going into that week and
we kind of saw the truth, you know, come out,
and obviously Lamar Jackson is the truth in this situation.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
So like, do you think if the Dolphins win, does
that you know, all of a sudden put tua Yeah
at the top for.
Speaker 6 (25:42):
MVP depends on how the game plays out. If it's
if it's twenty to nineteen Dolphins defense and Fangio's got
a great scheme for Lamar and they button him up
and you know, you get a late field goal that
wins it. And two is kind of scuffling because Wattle's
not in the game, no, But if it's to a
four touchdown, no waddle and they still go off on
a good Ravens defense, then yes, I think how the
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game plays out matters. For example, if the Niners had
won on Monday Night and it was twenty to nineteen
and the Niners buttoned up Lamar and Justin Tucker hit
a fifty eight yard field goal at the horn to
win it, I don't think the jump happens, but it
was because Lamar looked like Superman out there and they
scored thirty plus on a very good defense. I think
that's why you saw that move as wide as it was.
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But if it's a close game on Sunday and the
Dolphins squeak went out, it might not be that cutting dry.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
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her in for Cavino and Rich. So let's get to
that Dolphins Ravens game. Ravens come into week seventeen three
and a half point favorite. I'm a little surprised by that.
(26:50):
Is there? Is it short week? A cross country trip?
Is that what plays into that number?
Speaker 7 (26:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Situationally, it's a bad spot for Baltimore, but they're a
really tough team, and I think you could say situationally
it's not a great spot for Miami either. I mean,
that was not a pretty game that they won on Sunday,
but they put themselves in a position now to be
the number one seed and we'll see if they can
be the bully like they Miami likes being the bully
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against the bad teams, but they haven't done as well
managing up. I mean, this is arguably the best, most
talented team they're going to face all season. I think
the total here, especially if if Waddle's out, and I
don't know that for sure, but I'm seeing that he's
not one hundred percent that I think takes the top
a little bit off this Miami offense. And you can
make a case under forty seven that Baltimore's defense kind
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of hems in Miami. And obviously the Ravens offense might
not be as explosive as it was last week. And
Vic Fangiel has done a really good job with this
Dolphins defense, So I think this could be more of
a defensive game than maybe the total is telling me
here at the early.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
That was my laptop.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Okay, let's move on to Let's move on to the
Chiefs and the bang. Oh yeah, let's literally what I know.
It threw me off.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
The Chiefs hosting the Bengal I think they're favored by
eight maybe seven.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
I feel like that seems a little bit.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I just because the Chiefs look a little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
I think that's a good I think it's hard to
find adjectives. Yeah, for the Chiefs team, I frankly, hissy
fit is one that comes to mind with Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Yeah, I don't, and.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
I know that's not an adjective, but I mean maybe
we can coin it, because it's just it seems like
there's just something in the water there in Kansas City
that's just throwing off the vibes. I think this is
a like situationally speaking. I think this is a good
spot for them because the backs are against the wall
and Mahomes typically does not drop consecutive games, and there's
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a lot of things that you can point to why
you would want to beat Kansas City this week.
Speaker 9 (28:46):
But it's really tough to lay.
Speaker 6 (28:47):
A touchdown with a team that struggles to score touchdown,
right and a team that lost last week, you know,
against a team that didn't score an offensive touchdown and
they still lost the game. So I don't want to
lay a big number with Cam the City right now.
I think you want to put him in a money
line parlay, or you want to tease that line down
get it to a much more manageable number for the
Chiefs this week.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I got one last one for you because we're going
to end on the bowl game Michigan now favored in
the Rose Bowl against Alabama. Why are we seeing that.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Well, everyone's betting Bama. But the thing about the line movement,
and we can have like a whole show on this,
but the public doesn't move the line. The people that
move the lines are the respected gamblers. You know, there's
a few groups of them, and when the sportsbooks get
action from them, that's what will move the line. So
you're seeing a lot of people love Alabama in this game,
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and I understand. I mean, they certainly have a lot
of upside. I love Jalen Milroe getting him an extra
set of bull practices. I think that's going to help
his development. But Michigan's a little more polished, right. They
were in this spot last year and it didn't. It
didn't work out for them, even though it was a
very back and forth game against TCU. And I think
the experience, I mean, you're watching these Bowl games, Dan,
the first quarter is like a blur. I mean, these
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kids are like their eighteen year old kids, and you
could tell they're like shake it, it's it's it's a
I think the experience matters for Michigan, and I think
that's why you're seeing some respected money on the Wolverines
x's and o's wise, it's pretty easy to handicap. I
think Michigan's got the better defense, Alabama probably more explosive
on offense. Who gets the better that matchup probably wins
the game. Can McCarty make a few plays? I mean,
I think this is a tight game, but the respected
(30:18):
money right now definitely favoring the wolver Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
You got to take into account too, how much Michigan's
gonna cheat. So you've got that.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
You can always put that into the stew Dan that
you pick off before this game.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Oh, the cheaters that they are. Jared Smith here on
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Pat MGM. Jared appreciate it. We'll talk to you against
you man.
Speaker 6 (30:41):
Good luck, Oh thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Dog Talk yes and Dog Talk yesterday. Isaac Lowancron asked
in Better or Worse that we played Cats are Dogs,
and I said, this is why people are gonna hate me,
because I said kats. Isaac Lowancron is here to give
us the latest of what's happening on this Thursday.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
Did I strike a nerve Monty. He's just predicated on
what happened yesterday with Denver. Denver's Aaron Gordon being out
indefinitely because it.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Was my dog by a dog. Yeah, do we know
what kind of dog?
Speaker 8 (31:13):
A very angry one.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Apparently it tends to be.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
The angry ones are the smallest ones usually, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 8 (31:20):
This is pretty good, pretty good insight.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
It tends to be the smaller ones are.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
They inflict a lot of damage though, like a little Yeah,
I want I wonder what kind of dog it was?
Speaker 8 (31:30):
Yeah, put a lot of annoyance.
Speaker 7 (31:32):
I know that.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, dog could not be reached for comment.
Speaker 5 (31:37):
I still defend you think you think it was a
CORGI no, absolutely not exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Like you guys are playing dom. You guys are playing dom.
I wonder what kind of dog it was. You're like,
you're saying it's a little dog. Know it's notches, Like,
I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
I just want to know what kind of dog it was.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I will work my sources in the Denver dog park
community because you want you want to talk about rough
places dog parks, they have a hierarchy and I'm not
talking about the dog.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
By the way, he's anybody asked who let the dogs out?
Is anybody like are we asking the right questions here?
Are seriously are we asking the right questions?
Speaker 9 (32:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Let the dogs out.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
In The answer to the Baha men is that.
Speaker 8 (32:29):
They used to be a real big thing. By the way,
with the New York Mets, unfortunately was big for them
back in the year two thousand. We will move on
to the year twenty twenty three where Houston Texans quarterback C. J.
Stroud has cleared concussion protocol. Texans at eight and seven,
the eight seed in the AFC, le'll be hosting the
Titans on Sunday. The Viking is going to be starting
rookie fifth round draft pick Jaron Hall at quarterback over
(32:51):
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(33:11):
Slash credit card. In college football at the pinstrip bull
Right now, Rutgers leads Miami thirty one to seventeen with
twenty eight seconds left in the fourth court of Miami
just into the end zone, so they trail thirty one
to twenty three right now with the conversion pending. Earlier
today at the Fenway Bowl, Boston College defeated number twenty
four SMU twenty three to fourteen.
Speaker 9 (33:33):
Coping up.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
On Monday, Alabama and Michigan meet in the Rose Bowl,
and today multiple Alabama players said that Alabama coaches have
stopped uploading video of their practices to the player's iPads,
apparently due to concerns that Michigan might hack into them.
Players also total reporters coaches are not allowing them to
study video on their iPads at all prior to the
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Rose Bowl game, and are instead only studying video in settings.
Back to Monsy and me, and if Kanye West was
sitting in for Dan, it would be Monsy and Ye.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Back to you. Thank you very much, Isaac.
Speaker 9 (34:12):
It is.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Day.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Yeah, there are worse, but there are better, that's for sure.
Speaker 9 (34:21):
Well.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Thanks, I'm good, she's wants I'm Dan Byer. We are
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Who's hanging out? Jason Stewart and Isaac Loincron are here
as well as we allow for the tirec dot Com
studios in for Cavino and Rich. It's been a busy
day in college football with a game at Fenway Park,
(35:39):
in a game at Yankee Stadium. There used to be
a day at time, Manzi, And I don't know if
you realize that this time exists, but I know the
other guys do. Where combo stadiums of baseball and football
were a normal thing. And even back in the day
that then, not the New Yankee Stadium obviously, but the
old Yankee Stadium. The New York Football Giant used to
(36:01):
play there. A lot of places, a lot of times
the football and baseball professional teams would share stadiums. As
time went on, it got fewer and fewer, and now
there's very few. The last one remaining, I'd say it
was probably an Oakland, right, guys, that'd probably be the
last one that we remember the most of when the
A's and Raiders ended up sharing the same stadium. But
(36:22):
like Wrigley Field his host in college football games in
the past. I know you're Iowa Hawkeyes, yea sam have
played at Wrigley Field.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Everything except for the turf which became like a sand pit. Everything,
but that was fantastic. And I now am a Peacock
subscriber and I love the product. The game was incredibly
well shot and like it was beautiful. So yeah, I
think you know the Wriglar experience. Iowa fans loved it.
It was like a home game.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
I have one question, Yes, does this change the dimensions.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Because all I didn't know this was a thing, even
though I guess I did know about the Raiders and
the A's not that you said I didn't know that,
but as a Dodger fan, they played at the coliseum
and the dimensions were different, So, like, does it change
for these Bowl games?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Like the dimensions of Well, it's.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
Funny you say that because obviously a football field you
don't have any leeway as you would an outfield wall. Right.
For the first time when they returned to Wrigley Field,
it was a Northwestern Illinois game, and because the field
the back of the end zone and the brick wall
you're talking about the first one, right, Yes, we're so close. Yes,
for safety concerns, they ditched the idea of playing into
(37:30):
that end zone, so they just all for the entire
game they went into one direction of the end zone.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
They have, Yeah, taking seats out to a commody, the
dugout actually correct to accommodate the whole field.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
And because it's not an easy fit. Growing up, the
Green May Packers used to play three games a year,
two regular season, one preseason in Milwaukee. And the change
that you would see, Manzi, is that the teams on
the sideline are on the same side the field. I
believe that's what you have here, or what you had
for the for the Pinstripe Bowl. But instead of the
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sidelines ending at like the twenty five or the thirty
yard line, they would actually extend down to the twenties
because you would go from the twenty to fifty yard
line would be one team and then from the fifty
to the twenty yard line would be the other team.
Speaker 8 (38:17):
Also, you used to be like that at old Metropolitan
Stadium where the Vikings and Twins used to play before
they built the Metro Dome. And also, I know you're
too young to remember this as well, Monsei, but this
is going to be driving Mansey crazy. But the other
telltale sign was up until September, you would have the
NFL games being played and the baseball infield was still
there and they'd have to temp field goals of all
(38:38):
life from there.
Speaker 4 (38:39):
Yes, it's crazy. For what they've done with the Dolphins Stadium.
And she's been there for you know, since the late
mid to late eighties now. But that used to be
the home of the Marlins, and so it was designed
as a football stadium, and then the Marlins coming in
about in nineteen ninety three, so the Marlins play there.
They retrofit it for baseball or try to make it
work for baseball, and then the Marlins leave and now
it's back to being a football stadium. Crazy crazy, Yeah,
(39:02):
Vikings and Twins share the Metrodome. That's why you would
have the big garbage bag, because you would take all
those seats and move them back.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
Up in the Gohers Gophers play there too, Yep, up
until two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
I kind of liked that.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
I wish it was still more a thing.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
And there's only so many classic baseball stadiums around now
where you can get that nostalgia. Sorry, pet go not
the same as Fenway or Yankee Stadium or in this case,
as we talk Wrigley. She's Montsi Belaio. So I'm Dan
Beyer coming up live from the Tirek dot Com studios.
It is Cavino and Rich. Yes, we give away our
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