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the Newsday. Hello Isaacs.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I was like Isaac's not gonna say anything.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
I'm not just at face.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
He is much much more than that.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Kirk Cousins is much much more than that, and he
is something else because the Falcons quarterback in the headlines
today as the premiere of the new docuseriies, the second
season of Quarterback came out on Netflix, and Kirk Cousins
is all the rage on social media as he looks
back on his twenty twenty four season and even the
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offseason that led him signing with the Atlanta Falcons Carry Rhodes.
We're gonna hear from Cousins in a bit. But when
you look back out of season that he tried to
come back from an achilles injury, battled injuries as well,
and was ultimately replaced by Michael Pennix Junior, I think
ultimately you could say it was not a successful season
for the veteran quarterback.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
It was not a success for him personally except for
the pockets, right. He got an nice little pay ray,
so I think that was okay. But as far as
playing the way that I'm sure he wanted to, that
did not go the way I wanted to he wanted to.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
And this is what Kirk Cousins had to say, because
Kerry is not wrong. It's always been about the pockets,
and it's always been about the money With Kirk Cousins.
Take a listen to what the Falcons quarterback had to
say from Netflix in the new Quarterback docuseries.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Wasn't expecting us to take a quarterback so high at
the time, it felt like I had been a little
bit misled, or certainly if I had the information around preegency,
it certainly would have affected my decision. I had no
reason to leave Minnesota with how much we loved it
there if both teams are going to be drafting a
quarterback high. But I've also learned in twelve years in
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this league that you're not entitled anything. It's all about
being able to earn your spot and prove yourself.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
No, he said a lot there and not to addicting
well and his actions, I say, would say otherwise, kirk
Cousins laid out. I can understand the first part, feeling misled.
I think we were all shocked on Draft night when
the Atlanta Falcons took Michael Pennox Junior with their first
round pick, just a month after signing Kirk Cousins to
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a four year, one hundred and eighty million dollar contract.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I think the only reason I was misled in that
situation is because of the money, right, because if you're
going to invest that much into a guy, obviously he
is your guy, So why would you draft his replacement
that high. I was a little bit taken amiss by that.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I think we all were. We were expecting something different.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
In fact, when you watch the NFL draft and you
watch it back and you replay that pick, that's the
whoa sort of moments that you say, we were not
expecting that.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
So that part completely get from that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, I feel that there's revisionist history in Minnesota in
that he's saying that we could have stayed in Minnesota.
It may be true to the aspect of Minnesota wanted
him on a one year deal, and he elluded it
a little bit there that both teams would be drafting high. Yes, well,
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what's the difference then, in signing with the Atlanta Falcons
or staying with the Minnesota Vikings on a one year deal.
This is why Kirk Cousins is lying to you, is
because it has always been about the money. There you go,
it has always been about the money with Kirk Cousins,
And if you don't believe me, I've got a list
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carry right here of the history of Kirk Cousins in
the National Football League. By the way, none of which
am I mad at. Get your money when you can
play the game, but don't try to sell me a
bill of goods at the other end that doesn't match
up with what your history has. In twenty seventeen, Kirk Cousins,
first quarterback in NFL history to be franchise tagged two
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consecutive years, happened by the then Washington Football Team then
the Redskins. Twenty eighteen, signs a fully guaranteed, fully guaranteed
three year deal with the Minnesota Vikings worth eighty four
million dollars. At that time, he was the first player
to get a fully guaranteed deal for that much more
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eighty four million dollars hadn't happened, most for any player
in NFL history at the time of that signing in
twenty eighteen, fully guaranteed three years eighty four million dollars.
In twenty twenty, you're gonna hear the word guaranteed a
lot two year extension off of that three year deal.
Two year extension worth sixty six million dollars with sixty
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one million dollars guaranteed, so all but five million dollars
were guaranteed. That five million dollars also essentially, in reading
back over, the deal was basically guaranteed because Minnesota would
have been on the hook for an obscene amount of
money that were going to end up paying him the
five million dollars. But the documents will give them the
benefit of the doubt. Sixty six million dollars, sixty one
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million of that guaranteed. In twenty twenty two, signed a
one year extension off of that other extension that he
signed thirty five million dollars fully guaranteed. And then he
goes to the Atlanta Falcons in twenty twenty four and
signs for four years, one hundred and eighty million dollars
with one one hundred million dollars guaranteed. Kirk Cousins has
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played the game correctly, but it's always been about the money, yes,
when you have a team. By the way, there were
no The next highest free agent signing besides Kirk Cousins
in that free agency class was Gardner Minshew, signing basically
a backup quarterback deal. There wasn't a market for Kirk Cousins.
Him going back to Minnesota would have been the default.
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It may have been planned b for him, but that's
not what he wanted to do, And in fact, I
don't think Minnesota wanted him back. I think Minnesota wanted
to move on so far from the Kirk Cousins era
that they were starting Jaren Hall, a rookie quarterback, in
a must win game against Green Bay in late December
on Sunday Night Football, just hoping and hoping, hoping that
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maybe a rookie quarterback would be able to grab the
reins and they could have a quarterback of the future.
Failed miserably. Nick Mullins had to take over. This was
all because of Cousins's achilles injury. In the end, Minnesota decides,
we're going to chart our own course. If you want
to come back, it's going to be a one year deal,
but we're going to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Kirk Cousins says, Fine, I'll go somewhere else, in only
one place, and I'll get one hundred and eighty million dollars.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
So, him telling you that I want to stay back
in Minnesota, it would have been better from my family.
If the Falcons weren't coming around with a one hundred
and eighty million dollar deal, then yeah, maybe he would
have stayed in Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
But he didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
You know why, because Kirk Cousins has always been about
the money. And that's why I don't feel bad one bit.
The Falcons were actually fined in doct a fifth round
pick because they tampered with kirk Cousins because they were
talking with him so early in the process.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
His wife was reportedly.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Looking at schools for their kids in early March, before
free agency had even started.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
This is all this is. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I know I'm worked up over this, but just to
hear this, this story of woe is me and yeah,
I was surprised. We all were surprised, right, But let's
be real. You took the money because you wanted the money.
That's what it was about. It wasn't about leading the
Falcons to the Super bowlers because they were going to
give you one hundred million dollars guaranteed and there wasn't
another team in the NFL that was willing to pay
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you that. That's what this is all about.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
You want to you want to add one more ounce
of proof to what you're saying. It's about the money,
Let's hear it. He's a two time participant to the
Quarterback Show, Like why why is he doing that show
right now?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Perfect?
Speaker 5 (08:23):
Just an added in truth for you then for your statement.
But for him, it's always been a cap on what
he could do and what he could be as a player. Right,
so he's maximized that. I think for him individually, he's
had a really really successful career. Obviously, his time in
Minnesota was going to be up. I mean, he wasn't
going to be the guy to get them over the hump.
And you said it. I mean, there was one more
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team that was willing to, you know, have him as
an expensive stop gap to their next situation. Obviously we
didn't see Michael Pennix being that guy that early with
Atlanta drafting him that high. But he wasn't going to
be the answer there, and so I think that was
my main I guess problem with the deal is how
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much money they gave them, Right, the fact that he
was able to finesse them for that amount of money
is just bonkers. Yeah, the deal first came out, it
made no sense. First and foremost he's an Asian quarterback. Second,
he does have a cap on his talent and what
he can do. Third, he's coming off a major Achilles injury.
So for him to say anything about anybody doing him
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wrong in this situation and this deal, it's just kind
of assinine.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
It isn't quite the trifecta, by the way. Yes, and
so if you're facing all of that stuff that you
know and I know, and I think that he knows,
and someone says we'll give you a hundred million dollars guaranteed,
where do I sign?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (09:45):
Where do I sign? You want me to? You know,
do you want me to lift the field goal nets
on field goals too when we're kicking field goals? I'll
do it for one hundred million dollars. Absolutely. You want
me to hold the sideline chains when we're not on offense,
That's that's what you do. When you're coming off of
that injury, that's what you do. No One, there wasn't
a team out there that was willing to give Kirk
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Cousins that deal. And if it was all about doing
what was right, he then maybe would have stayed in
Minnesota on that one year deal. But no, It's always
been about the money for Kirk Cousins. So when it
backfires on you and you get hurt and you lose
your job because they go in a different direction. I
don't agree with what the Falcons did, but still I
just have zero empathy or sympathy for Kirk Cousins, and.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I actually agree with what Atlanta did. He wasn't playing
well at all, so and I think this is the
other part of that conversation. If he played well, he
would still be the guy right now, and even if
they drafted Pennix, he still would be planned. But he
did not live up to even his part of that
of that bargain.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
I think it's also easy to point back to Minnesota
because of the injury that JJ McCarthy went through, And
so when you do reference that previous stop, if Cousins
was still there, maybe he's still in line to be
the starter. Maybe there's a quarterback battle this offseason. But again,
he got one hundred million dollars guaranteed he was with Minnesota.
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The Quarterback Series showed him rehabbing in Minnesota, and the
next thing you know, he's signing a deal with the
Atlanta Falcons for that amount. Of money and talking about
the roots that they had in the state of Georgia
and how excited they were to be there. But again,
this was all laid out. The Falcons had him with
their trainer in early March. That was the evidence that
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that got busted on the tampering, that he was meeting
with a Falcons team doctor to find out how well
along his achilles injury was.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Wow, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Yes, So that's part of what the NFL docked the
Falcons for for the tampering of Kirk Cousins during free agency.
So when I sit down and I did watch, I
fast forward through the Jared Goff and Joe Burrow portions
of the first episode because the Kirk Cousins deal was trending,
people were talking about it, and I watched it and
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he comes acros. He's been a great media person. To
your point, who's doing this twice? You know it's Kirk Cousins.
Is he knows how to play the game.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Golly, there's a whole great Clips sponsorship that's thrown in
even mentions it in the quarterback thing, and then Adam
Schefter's tweeting earlier today Kirk Cousins and Great Clips have
reached this deal where if you're in The Great Clips
when Kirk Cousins is getting a haircut, you also get
a free haircut. It's all about the money, So don't
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feel bad when Kirk Cousins can't throw the football to
the right team that he's being benched. It's always been
about the money for Kirk Cousins, and that's why I
just don't buy anything that he says.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
And it's okay, it's fine, it's that's what it's about.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
But don't sit here and tell me how the Falcons
wronged you and how you were putting such a tough
spot when you got one hundred million dollars that no
other team in the NFL, including the team you just
paid played for, would be willing to pay you.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Dan, I just want to know what day is that
the Great Clips day so I can.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
Show yes, because he's going to be going to all
the different ones. Absolutely. I just it's and and it
goes on. And I didn't see the rest of the
episodes because there's you know, a bunch of different episodes.
But he talks about playing through the injury because he
doesn't want Michael Pennix to be the starting quarterback you
played the NFL. I get that, Like you know, you
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never want to give up your spot. You don't want to,
you want to do it for your team. There is
some responsibility also of fulfilling your contract. Now, do I
think that he's thinking to himself, well, I'm not going
to get the other eighty million million dollars guaranteed, so
I better continue to play. I don't think it went
that deep. At that point. He was already guaranteed a
hundred million dollars. He is a competitor. He does want
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to win about but I get that portion of it.
But this whole lead up in this look back and
well we never would have left Minnesota if that was
the case. As we said, Minnesota, I don't think really
wanted him back, right And now he's trying to make
himself the victim. And when you get a hundred million
dollars guaranteed, coming off of everything that you said, the
Achilles injury in the age, sorry don't feel bad for you.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
Yeah, no, it's there's no no sorry, no feeling sorry
for the guy right now. I mean, obviously, like you said,
we both said, I mean he's made a lot of
money in this league, and he's played some really good
football and plays some down football. That's part of being
the pro. But yeah, at this point, nobody wants to
hear the sob story from Kirk Cousins at all.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Jason tweets in and says, don't forget Washington kind of
dragged him along and had the RG three deal in Washington.
But that's I felt like like Kirk Cousins was a
victim of circumstance there because he was brought in later.
I don't envy the spot that he was in. Yeah,
but in that situation, isn't RG three the real victim
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because you drafted another quarterback in that same draft draft? Yeah, So,
like I get like, if I'm Kirk Cousins and Washington
isn't willing to pay him the contract that he wanted,
he says, fine, I'm good enough. I'll just play under
the franchise tag. It's more beneficial for me to make
you franchise take me for the second time. I get
the whole tenure in Washington. I don't think that there's
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just any point where I feel bad for him, because
I feel he's gained the system enough and if we
want to talk about that rookie year. I feel RG
three was more of the victim in anything, because now
there's a quarterback there that may try to undermine what
you're trying to do. Is the first overall pick, your
second overall pick. Yeah, there's nothing we said it. There's
nothing to be sorry about. Man, he was a fourth
round pick. He's exceeded all expectations on from that perspective alone.
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Right his play in Washington very steady. I knew he
was the guy that would have a chance there in
Washington because of RG three's style of play at the time,
where now you know game plans even with the Lamar
Jackson now like even those things are more game plan
specific for that type of quarterback, where when RG three.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Came in, it was not quite there yet. Even though
they knew they had that type of player, teams weren't
ready to go to that style of offense completely yet
now and protect him in a way that was the
way he was going to need it. Kirk Cousins, I
applaud you for always being ready and being the guy that,
even though you may not have been first, you had
a bigger vision for yourself being that guy we applaud
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you right now, isn't the time to be the guy
that you're trying to make a sorry sorry for you.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's's not going to work. Great point. Jason Stewart's our
executive producer.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Let's talk about that last part, right, because he agreed
to do this show. He's getting paid to do the show.
And I'm guessing Carrie, you know more about this than
we do. But like when a reality show approaches you,
and by the way, they skipped last season because they
couldn't get enough quarterbacks to do this show. Part of
the sales pitch, probably from the agent is Kirk, you know,
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let's start thinking about the next career. Let's let's let's
further procure your your public image, sure for your next career. Right,
So he volunteers to do this, he's getting paid to
do it. He doesn't need to say this on camera,
like this is something that you might admit to your
immediate family members or other quarterbacks that have eight figures
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in the bank quick, but you just don't admit this
on a reality show where you're doing it for all
optics presumably, right, Ye, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
I was just going to say, you don't admit it
unless you're trying to spin the story your way and
using it as that platform for that. So, yeah, you're right,
that would be something that you're like, all right, maybe
we should have stayed in Minnesota. But to sit down
knowing that you're going to be asked that question, because
this question was asked months prior. It's not like a
live interview done on Sports Center, Fox Sports One or
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anything like that. It's it's a prepackaged piece. You know
exactly what you're saying in that point one.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Hundred percent strategic, right, I mean now it is he's
he's on the back nine, right, it's a chance for
him to, you know, gain some sympathy, gain a different
perspective about what his intentions were when he headed to Atlanta.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
And that's all. It's just a spin job. Yeah, he's done.
Only on the back nine.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
He's caddying for Michael Pennock's junior now, and he's telling
him the wrongs in Atlanta because it's just what a mess.
Now we're a month, by the way, we're less than
a month from training camp. We know that he's unhappy
they were unable to deal him. Is this aid in
that effect? I didn't watch the first full quarterback series.
Either Cousins was a part of that again as you said, yea,
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but also during that, wasn't Marcus Mariota a part of that?
And then he ends up getting benched. So you're seeing
these different aspects of it. And I'm sure quarterback is thinking, well, hey,
we just had Cousins. We'll see if he wants to
come back to both your point, yeah, let's do it,
go right ahead. It shows a different Hey, I'm trying
to come back from injury. But in Kirk Cousins mind,
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it's watch my comeback. We're going to have it documented
and it's going to be amazing, Like, watch this thing.
Because the cameras were rolling before they even drafted Michael
Pennix Junior on this docu series. This was happening during
the free agency or after the free agency period in
March of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Is he the most expensive backup quarterback ever? I think
I think that's a yeah. I think yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
How would say so? Yes?
Speaker 4 (19:02):
And shame on the Falcons forgiving, Like I don't agree
with the Falcons making the move that they did, even
though it worked out for them in the end, Like
they covered their basis. But I felt that they were
ready to win last year, which is why they wanted
Kirk Cousins to come in, and it didn't end up happening.
I think Atlanta's in a really good spot in twenty
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twenty five. There's not a lot of expectations, and I
actually feel they're going to be really good offensively. Offensively,
I think they have a really good offensive line, which,
by the way, then if they do have success. Guess
whose story gets hurt Kirk Cousins because of what he
didn't do last year, and we're gonna I'm curious to
see the rest of the piece and him talking about
his injury. I get that gamesmanship with a player, but
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no player has maneuvered more in their NFL career to
maximize their dollars than Kirk Cousins, including again taking the
one hundred million dollars guaranteed from the Atlanta Falcons. So
don't cry about not going back to Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
As that Vikings whole deal was playing out in the
year that he was injured, because they started off slow
and then they played a really good stretch of football
and then he got injured in that game against Green
Bay at lambeau Field. Their season ended up taking a
turn because of what they were trying to find out
at quarterback. But I just remember I remember sitting in
the studio and finding out that they were starting Jaren
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Hall for that game against the Packers on Sunday night,
and that told me because they had started Jaron Hall
earlier in the season in a game against the Falcons,
which at that time mid season, not a big deal,
but the Vikings were teetering on the playoffs. They could
have possibly gotten in and playing green Bay your arrival
at home on Sunday night football. They started Jaron Hall
and he was atrocious, and green Bay destroyed Minnesota. I
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think thirty three to ten was the final. So at
that point, Minnesota knew that they weren't going to have
Jaren Hall be their future quarterback. And as ridiculous as
it sounds when I'm saying that, think of what would
have happened. If Minnesota would have won thirty three to ten,
they would have said, we have our quarterback of the future,
this is our guy, and I think it just it
completely backfired on them. So then when the offseason comes
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around and they're talking about Kirk Cousins, they are thinking
about taking a quarterback early and even though Cousins mentioned
it in that clip, he could have stayed there. It
would have been the same exact situation. The only difference
wouldn't have got one hundred million dollars guaranteed. And that's
why he ultimately went to Atlanta.
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list yesterday. This is what happens. It's in July. You
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have rankings. They get people riled up, and I absolutely
took the bait on it ranking the top college football
rival and really no surprise considering what's gone down in
the last four years, five years, if you will off
four years Michigan and Ohio State number one right off
the bat, Dan, the number one rivalry in college football.
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As a fan of one of the schools, I can
tell you it means the means the most. It absolutely is.
There's really only one game that I thought could rival that,
and that's Army Navy just because of everything that the
history of it and what it means. Army Navy came
in fourth on this list. So I'm not arguing with
Michigan and Ohio State is number one.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
I gotta fight you on that one, Dan, Really you
have a bigger rivalry, absolutely and obviously current, Like right now,
I understand why Michigan, Ohio State State, But there's nothing
like Auburn Alabama.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Oh boy, it is.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
I mean obviously I'm from there, so I've witnessed it firsthand.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Little bias, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
But Dan, you have students in the quad of the
of the opposing school trying to poison trees like.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
It's it's it's crazy they did.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
It's you talk about splitting up families and with it
really being like either or I've seen friendships, I've seen
family households is households broken in two torn between its
Alabama aubur rivalry.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So I have to side there is that where house divided.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Those flags that you'll see really came about Auburn and Alabama. Yes,
it's crazy, I get that portion of it, But why
I think Michigan and Ohio State wins. You're gonna use
it against me, I'm gonna use it for me and
say this because it isn't just in state like you
have two states that hate each other. So within the
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borders of Alabama, it's Auburn and Alabama like like there is.
But I think it's difficult for anybody else outside of
that to understand the hatred that goes on goes on
within that state, which is why I actually think Oklahoma
Texas is number two, and I think that that is
the second biggest rivalry in college football. And again we're
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talking about a Texas team that is now perennial national contender.
Oklahoma had been up until maybe recently in the last
year or two, maybe things dropped off a bit for
the Sooners, so maybe what's at stake in that game
isn't as big of a deal. But in looking at
what they had for the top five, Michigan Ohio State
was one Auburn Alabama two, Oklahoma Texas three, Army Navy four,
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USC Notre Dame five, which was interesting as well because
there's a question on whether USC and Notre Dame will
continue their rivalry because of where USC is. My problem
is actually with the next four that they have, and
the next four that they had were Nebraska, Oklahoma, Miami
and Florida State, Ohio State, and Penn State in Florida
and Florida State. I'm just going to rattle this off.
Nebraska Oklahoma don't play every year anymore. So the early
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nineteen seventies, it may have been the rivalry, may have
been maybe in the late nineteen nineties still it could
have been the rivalry. It is not anymore. I've been
to a Miami Florida State game and was completely underwhelmed
at what I saw in the atmosphere there. I get
there's a big build up, but it does not match
Oklahoma Texas where I've been to. It does not match
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Michigan Ohio State. I have not been to an Auburn
Alabama Iron Bowl game. I would love to, but I'm
telling you the game that I went to and saw
between those two schools did not matter. Ohio State and
Penn State is eighth. It's a good game, they're neighbors,
but to say that that is a rivalry. It's usually
Ohio State's second biggest game of the year and maybe
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Penn State's biggest game of the year, depending on the schedule.
But I don't necessarily consider that a rivalry and Florida.
Florida State's usually played on the same weekend as Ohio
State Michigan and is completely overshadowed unless the teams are
a national championship contention. There are other nominees of of
an Auburn Georgia, which is a huge rivalry. Below Minnesota
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and Wisconsin play for the acts Alabama and Tennessee that
rivalry what the third Saturday in October every season. So
there's Alabama LSU for the great games that they have
had as of late. All of those. Then I look
at the bottom of the list. I see Harvard and
Yale at twenty. Okay, I agree with that, though that's
Harvard Yale, like there's something to that. Washington and Oregon.
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I know the Apple Cup gets some hype with Washington
and Washington State, but there is true hatred and dislike
between between Washington and Oregon that should be higher Iowa Wisconsin.
If I'm gonna put in Minnesota Wisconsin there, then Iowa
Wisconsin kind of takes a little bit of a backseat.
But you have the Egg Bowl with Ole miss and
Mississippi State, Bedlam with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Now that
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they're not in any conferences right now, I think it
actually makes it a better rivalry. And then I looked
at the rankings that were outside the top twenty five
and there were a bunch of great games that weren't
even included in this ranking that I feel could be
better than even some of the ones that they had
in the top ten. Pitt in West Virginia, Oregon, Oregon State,
Like there's these are the Pitt West Virginia one, Utah BYU,
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the Holy War that they have now that they're in
the same conference. I think all of those rivalries are
are better than what we saw in their lack of
what they had late in the top ten.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I mean when you look at this thing, you I
think because of the parody and how you know, perceived tough,
the SEC is if you just think about it, Alabama
is the rival of three different teams in the top
thirteen that people are talking about, you know, I mean, like, yes,
so it gets kind of spread thin there. But the
one I haven't outraged with obviously, and we haven't gotten
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to it yet because they're so far down.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
This literally, I said, they carry it's got to be here, somewhere, somewhere.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
It was seventy ninth and that was my Louisville Cardinals
versus the Kentucky the Kentucky Wildcats, and that was number
seventy nine, and I was like, okay, I get it. Nationally,
maybe it doesn't have the steam, but it's also again,
when you have something invested in and you've been a
part of it, you know how much more intense the situation.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
Yes, that's crazy. Seventy nine. I was surprised. Now I
know that there's you know, trophies, the little Brown jug
that Michigan and Minnesota play that came in at fifty one.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
We get the Governor's cup. It's the Governor's cup.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Then, okay, that's that's what you got there. In state
rivalry again, like there's you know, Michigan Penn State was
up at forty seven, and again I don't think that's
necessarily a rivalry like Michigan and Michigan State is a rivalry.
That was sixteenth in the rankings. But I don't necessarily
see that. The old oaken bucket is what Indiana and
Purdue play for. That was in the top fifty. But
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you're right, like, we get to we start scrolling down
and it's Iowa State, k State top yours like it.
Never would have thought USC Stanford not even in the
same league anymore. I get the UCLA Stanford actually ranked
higher than Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
I'm with you. Your cards got screwed on this.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
Yeah, that's ridiculous. When I when you say they weren't
even on the list, I was up in arms. I'm
still up in arms. There's seventy nine. They stead of
just left them off. I would have been better with that.
The fact that they thought that seventy nine was suitable,
it's just bad for business, Dan, It's bad for.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
It was one of those as while that we had
to scroll. It was an early scroll, so I where
you started from the top, which it was one hundred
down to down to one is how they did it.
So I actually scrolled all the way to the bottom,
thinking like, Okay, Louisville, Kentucky could be around thirty thirty five,
and then just kept going. It felt like the cliffhanger
on Price is right.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
You went down so far you thought you skipped it
because yes, I couldn't be there.
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Yes, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, Yeah, you're in the You're
in the same neighborhood as Cincinnati. I'm just telling you
Baylor in Texas Tech. I could go on and on.
He's Carrier road Z. I'm dan Byer Isaac Lohenkron USC UCLA,
which is the household that Isaac Lorencron lives in. Fourteenth
in this college football rivalry, according to The Athletic, let's
(29:57):
give us, let's get the latest his darn music.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Well, I'll tell you, when you're talking about college rivalries,
you have to talk about me. Keith Jackson.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Do we have a Keith Jackson college.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Rivalry unless I'm announcing hold on, hold on.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
That's Isaac Lauren Cron. Let's go and hear the other
Keith Jackson.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
Ordinly Ordly my alma motto, Washington State visits the Rose Boy,
the gren daddy.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Of them all.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Oldly, Isaac's not that press.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
That impression is like molasses. It doesn't go down easy.
I'll tell you I can make any rivalry sound exciting,
like the fighting proctologists from Johns Hopkins University against the
always tough Dickinson College angry poets who bore beat.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
That I was right ahead of Kentucky Louisville. Just kidding, care,
just kidding.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
My god, all right, I think it's clear that none
of us won that Keith Jackson impersonation battle.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
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here and Monsey pointed out how she feels like Summer
League and OTAs are the same thing, and when we
look at what happens with Summer League and OTAs in
the NFL, there are differences. But her point is we're
hyping these guys up over something that maybe we shouldn't
be hyping up. And I think Bronnie James is the
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perfect example and what he recently did in Summer League
where he had a thunderous dunk and had ten points
in eleven minutes. And I just have decided, Carrie that
I am done with the hate on Bronnie James, and
I'm done with the hype on Bronnie James. None of
it helps him, None of it helps him in his career.
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He is now a second year pro in the NBA,
and while his dad can't make up his mind on
where he wants to play or what he wants to
do and where he wants to go. At some point,
there's going to be no safety net for Bronnie and
he's going to have to figure out a way to
carve out his career. Where are you on where we
are and how we look at Bronnie James the Lakers guard.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
I'm one hundred percent with you on this.
Speaker 5 (32:54):
I mean, I think the heat the conversation piece that
was Brownie James during his rookie season was warranted. He
was in a situation where a lot of people thought
he wasn't He didn't belong, He didn't belong in that position, right,
he wasn't an NBA player. I agreed with that take
when it was happening while it was going on. But
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right now he's in his second season, that season's over.
It's a new chance for him to actually stake his
claim in this league. Right Yes, see, Summer League is
not going to be a thing that's going to make
me flip that switch and say he belongs anyway. So
I'm not worried about that. I want to see what
he can do with the opportunity now that's there.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
He's in the league.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Go be a pro, Now, go make me a believer
with your play, And that's kind of where I am now.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I think that he is proven, whether he's worth or not,
but that he's proven the value of a second round
pick for what he's done in the G League. Like
I honestly thought he was going to completely fall on
his face, right, I did. I just I thought he
was undersized. I thought he would be dominated. I didn't
think that he'd be a to score at the clip
that that he was, and he hasn't done that. So
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to me, it's like bar met he's he's reached that point.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
So by the end of the first year, you thought
he was an NBA player. No, Oh, I thought he was.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I didn't think that it was a wasted second round
because not all second round picks are NBA players.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Some are, some aren't.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
But I think that he not that he justified the pick,
because it'll never be justified because of how it was
tried to be maneuvered. But that's the point where I'm like,
we have to get past that. We have to if
you hated that, we have to get past it. But
we also have to get past the fact that we're
putting highlights up of him in Summer League, and I
get it, like it comes with the territory, but not
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everything that comes with the territory. When your last name
is James and your first name is Bronni, just like
your dad's is good. And I feel that the hate
and the hype are both negative to Bronni James because
at some point he is going to have to figure
out and carve out his own career. Lebron can only
do so much. Lebron got him into the league, and
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really it was for Lebron and not about Bronnie. And
I think that's the other point about it was it
was never about Bronni making it into the NBA. It
was about Lebron being able to play with his son. Yes,
so there's some empathy because I don't think it's necessarily
as easy as we all think it is to be
Lebron James's son, especially when you're not matched up to
his athletic ability. So I want to give Bronnie James
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some grace and all of that. And so that's why
I just I felt yesterday like it just ends.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Now.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
Let him be a basketball player, don't try to overhide him.
If he has thirty five points in the summer game,
summer league game. We're going to talk about him, sure,
but getting a dunk in ten points in eleven minutes
seems to be like you're just trying to squeeze out
whatever you can of that hype train.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
One thousand percent. I mean, and you hit the nail
on the head, right. I don't think it was ever
directed at Bronnie directly. It was because of his dad
and the way that that situation was given to us, right.
It was presented to us in the way that I'm
going to play my son no matter what. I'm going
to get him where I want him to go, no
matter what. And Brownie's just pretty much a victim in
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a situation. Now, how does he How does he I
guess progress and put himself in the better situation with
his own name and with his own play by doing
what he needs to do.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
And if he's going to be a defensive menace that
was the phrase that he used recently, then that's going
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On two say good on to the Rangers.
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Yankees fan carry rhoads. How is life lately as a
Yankees fan?
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Not good, not good. They've been on the struggle bus. Obviously,
lost seven in a row. They finally got to win
the other day in the in the finale against the Mets,
and yeah, we got problems, but you know, baseball is
a long season and usually there's gonna be abs and flows.
They're gonna have to find out their situation at third
and second. Obviously Chishom's an All Star. He wants to
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play second. We gotta figure it out. And the pitchin's
been abysmal, so we'll get it figured out. Dan Well,
that Angels highlight their four back of the wild card.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Yankees right now with the top spot in the wild
card race, just a half game up on the Tampa
Bay Race.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
He's carry Roads. I'm Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I'm pretty sure he owned some Yankees jerseys. Yes, we'll
find out about that. Next. He's Carrie. I'm Dan Cavino
and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio