August 13, 2024 • 39 mins
Dan and Kerry in for C&R as they talk about Aaron Rodgers and his brutal honesty while Aaron does interviews that coincide with the release of an unauthorized new book about his life. Dan and Kerry discuss Brandon Aiyuk's situation with the 49ers and what the receiver really wants. Dan and Kerry share their thoughts on Aaron Judge and whether or not he is an all-time Yankee great, and ask the important question: who is more famous? Caitlin Clark or Aaron Judge?
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Football League going to be out a while. JJ McCarthy
going to have surgery on that meniscus. The oldest quarterback
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in the National Football League is where we start with
Aaron Rodgers. Yes, and I do want to say this.
In all of the conversations that we've had about Aaron
Rodgers or I've had on this network, and I do
the Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays here, Doug has a it's
a relationship with Aaron Rodgers. I don't know if they're
really friends, but they've been in social circles together, so
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they've spoken. But you know, a little bit more about
Aaron Rodgers. There's a relationship there, sure.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So when we're talking about Aaron Rodgers, we have someone
in Carry Rhodes who has first hand experience in me
just going off the handle on whatever I hear and see.
This is what we heard when Aaron Rodgers, quarterback of
the New York Jets, was on Boomer and Geo on
wfa N as they were at Jets training camp Rogers.
Obviously there's a book coming out about him next week
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by Ian O'Connor. Boomer and Geo had asked him about
his cooperation with the book, and it's not authorized by Aaron,
it's just about Aaron. But this was an exchange that
Boomer and Geo had with the Jets quarterback earlier today.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
I've always said that of all the guys that I've
ever interviewed in the NFL that have played our position,
I don't necessarily know that there's anybody that thinks the
way that you do. Maybe Tom Brady to a certain extent,
but the things that you think about are different than
what everybody else is thinking about.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, I think that that is partially true.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
I think the other part is I'm willing to say
non cliche every tune at the same time we sit
down for something like this, gott not worried about the
repercussions from it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
That is, that is the important point here where I
think Bloomerasisin wasn't really accurate in terms of the thinking.
We have no idea what other quarterbacks are thinking because
they don't talk, right. Aaron Rodgers does talk and says
what he has to say. And for as much as
I've been critical of Aaron Rodgers throughout the years, and
(03:26):
I'm probably not going to change today, but I do
appreciate his honesty and willingness to talk about a variety
of topics that other quarterbacks really just have never done
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah, and that's one of my favorite things about him.
You know, a lot of guys we've been trained, and
we go through media training leaving college getting ready to
put the NFL, and obviously we want to keep those real,
true emotions of certain things, certain game plans, all that
stuff really close to the vest. And so you know,
that's why you get the cliche answers from most people,
not just quarterbacks, but you know, most athletes when they're
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giving you know, their daily press, their daily pressors, it's
it's going to be minimal.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What's but what do they say in just quickly in
media training, like do they tell you to say cliches?
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Oh? They tell us to keep stay away from game
plan stuff.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Number one. So we're trying not to feed our opponents
and your information. So we give that, but also stay
away from things that can be controversial. So if you're
a young guy, you're not going to do that number one.
Number Two, if you're in a big media market like
New York, which I was as a as a twenty
one year old kid, you don't want to stoke the fire,
So stay away from the fires. It's one of the
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things they would teach in media training.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I guess Aaron Rodgers, because he's been in the
game as long as he has, he's not worried about
the fires.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
No, no, no, no, no, he's established.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
He's his play. His play speaks for itself.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
If he says something that may not fall in line
with what everybody else thinks, that doesn't really, that doesn't
bother him as long as he's able to communicate what's
in his brain, what's on his heart, and put it
out there in a way that's authentic for him. He's
fine with that, and that's that's really the truth about
who he is. And I mean I've known him since
we came in together in oh five. He hosted my
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my camp for Derby when I went back to Derby,
so we have a real relationship. So I know him
that way, and then you get to see him later
on at forty be able to live live. It is
authentic truth. It's pretty it's.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Pretty cool me so to see that. So not that Aaron,
I don't know, maybe he did. Maybe he's giving you
conspiracy theories when you're at the camp and you're just
you know, nodding your head and maybe you're going a lot.
I don't know what this scenario is. But when you say,
like the Eran that you know, like this is the
Eran that you know, This is the Eron that that you.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
This is the errand that I know. This doesn't mean
he was talking about conspiracy theory or everything at that time.
But at his at the core, at his heart, he
is somebody that wants to be heard and taken seriously
for the stuff that he knows or he believes in.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
And that's all.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And there's there's a lot to this because again I
love the honesty in fact, as we're sitting here knowing
that we're filling in for Covino en Rich today it's like,
all right, what are the hot topics? And this morning
I'm sitting around and I see an article says Jason
Tatum unsure about the twenty twenty eight Olympics and whether
he wants to play. And I thought to myself, Okay,
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this could be a topic for us. But then I said, well,
if somebody asked him, were you going to play in
twenty twenty eight and he's like, I'm not sure. Number one,
he's being honest. He may also be covering his bases.
And we don't have to give him an ev hold
him to an answer now when it's not for another
four years away. But if he isn't sure for whatever
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variety of reasons, then that's his take. I'm not going
to pile on because he isn't sure for something that's
going to happen four years down the line. Now, if
he said no way, I'm not going to play in
the Olympic team, like after this experience, I'm not going to,
then it's a conversation that we have. If he just
kind of passes it off and like, hey, it was
a great experience, there's not much there, but I'm appreciate
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at least his honesty, and I'm just like, I'm not
feeling the need a pile on at that point. He's
just being honest. The decisions along ways away. Aaron Rodgers
talks a lot. He says a lot of things. I
love that. I love his candidness. And when you're a
quarterback in the NFL for twenty years basically like he
has been, there is a responsibility where, guess what, your
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words carry a lot more weight sure than anyone else's,
which has allowed him to say those things. However, he
can also say things that maybe a younger quarterback couldn't
because of the ramifications from it, so like he can
also be used as a weapon. Here's where I stand
with Aaron Rodgers. I love the honesty. I love everything
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about it. But number one, don't be condescending, don't play games,
and don't try to be the smartest man in the room.
And that's where I veer off from him and the
honesty portion of it. I love the honesty talking about
running the football, whether it was Mike McCarthy as the
head coach, or Matt Lafleur, and like that stuff, and
(08:04):
hearing what goes on there, absolutely, I'm sorry, Immunized was
a complete turn off when we hear what he was
actually saying. Now we find out in the book that
maybe he was allergic to some of the things in
some of the vaccines. You say that, I think everybody understands,
but it's you're trying to trick, You're trying to play games.
(08:26):
You're saying, well, nobody followed up with a follow up
question like that's the stuff that rubs me the wrong way.
And now I think that he does try to get
a reaction. He does only go to places that are
usually safe places for him to talk, save Haven's for that,
and so the honesty portion of it, it just becomes
a little bit more slanted. I love the honesty. I'd
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much rather have Aaron Rodgers talked than Drew Brees, who
said really nothing throughout his entire career. I really don't
even know who Drew Brees is because he never really
said anything. Maybe the same thing with Tom Brady, those
sort of things. I'd rather have the's portion of it,
But it doesn't mean I have to love all of.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
It, damn.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
So if somebody was if you were going to a
place and every time he went to that place, they
kicked you out the door, or they rejected you, or
the value in what you were saying at that time
wasn't appreciated, would you continue to go back to that source?
So would you go to a source that was safe
for you to communicate the way you want to community communicate?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I probably wouldn't be going back that And.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
That's where that's where a lot of this comes from. Right,
So when you see the way that certain things have
been taken out of context or and the immunized thing,
that was a bad look for him, Like I will
say that as well. But when you have those things
happened to you on a consistent basis, you got to
find a place that's safe for you to do it.
And so I think that's where he's resorted to. But
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I mean, it's it's one of those loaded things because
I do know that he wants to be heard for
the truth and so and wants his words to be
taken that way. And so it's hard when I hear
people say, you know, he's going to a safe place
to speak, because that is where he's going. It's true,
that is a true statement, but I don't think that's
a bad statement.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
He's carried oats. I'm Dan Byer talking Aaron Rodgers here
on Fox Sports Radio. I know Jason Stewart, our executive producer,
loves this sort of topic. Where are you on Rogers
and his ability to speak and what he says and
how he says it well.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
First and foremost, I'm an audience for a lot of
the stuff that really pisses people off about him. I
like when he goes on podcasts and he talks about
these very interesting, far out things. I think that that
onto itself is so unique. You don't see a lot
of people that we cover go and just discuss theories
kind of in a smart way. You might disagree with
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everything that he says, but you can't say that they're
not thoughtful and that he puts a lot of thought
into it and his own research into it. And I
think that we lose sight of that with Eric because
everyone gets gets kind of caught up in these kind
of outrageous things. And I think he went on Hard
Knocks Laustion talked about aliens and stuff, and we kind
of allow that to distract us from the fact that
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how many of these people in my career, and I've
been doing this for almost what three decades? Can we
say that is at the top of his game and
is thoroughly interesting to listen to talk to about things
that have nothing to do with his sport. So I
appreciate that about him. I don't think we could lose
sight of that.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I have no problem with that. My problem becomes in
I'll just use the alien example. If he goes out
and says, and I'm making up a fake situation, guess
what they were? Aliens spotted in Winnipeg in two thousand
and five and nobody's talking about it, and you're like,
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wait a second, I've never heard of this. Maybe that's
why nobody's talking about it. But I don't believe aliens
landed in Winnipeg in two thousand and five. And then
he'd be like, well, you didn't do your research, and
that's where it ends, you know, like in terms of
that ass it, he's then he's now smarter than you
because he brought up a topic that was so out
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there and it's just it. It becomes this war of words,
and I think that he says stuff like that to
get the reaction, like there's I would love to the
There was a clip going on on social media from
last year in the preseason game and hearing him on
the sidelines when he was jawing with a Giants defender
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and he said, I gave him the ultimate, you know,
thing that you can't come back from. He's like, you know,
I don't know who you are, and he said I
don't know who you are and he's like, that's bs.
That is awesome, Like that's but that's also micd up.
So I don't expect like that's not anything special. But
that's the stuff that you know, like don those lines
that I like to hear. And I'm not trying to
to mute Aaron Rodgers. If Aaron Rodgers wants to go
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on his podcast and you know, say all of that
stuff and do all the things, it's my choice whether
to listen to it or not listen to it and
believe it. I just do think that sometimes when he
goes on the mainstream places like a pat and there's
no one there to push back against him, right that
it's that's the safe place that I'm talking about if
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you are talking about more serious issues, if we're you know,
just shooting the ball, talking about you know, wacky things,
that's one thing. But he doesn't necessarily always talk about
wacky things in his topics. It's more serious and present
day topics. And I do think that if you're going
to have a true discourse, like, there's got to be
some pushback or conversation from it.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah. I agree with the conversation part of it.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Yeah, I think there is a level of pushback that
I think some viewers like yourself, Dan, or listeners would
want to to see happening happen. I think that will
happen after he's done. I think there will be a
place in time where that does occur. But in the meantime,
I think he does in the safe space of being
able to share his thoughts and his and his beliefs
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and you know, and from there we just gotta we
have to accept it or like you said, don't listen
to it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Right, I can. I can also empathize, well, nobody's ever
written a book about me. But if he is not,
if he isn't authorizing this book, yeah, and I'm sure
there's going to be some stuff that he is gonna
go back against. However, however, in the same breath and
I bring Jason Stewart in here. Yeah, Jason Stewart and
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I were talking, I don't know, maybe a year or
two ago about certain documentaries and there was the Pamela
Anderson one. Yeah, that was on that it was all
about her, and I said it was really good, and
you were like, not for me. It's completely like from
her point of view, right, Like, isn't that the catch?
And we've also learned about it with the Last Dance,
Like the big catch with the Last Dance was the
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access to Michael Jordan.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I think the downside of that is you feel like
the documentarian, the storyteller, will feel compelled not to tell
all of the dirt. And so it's like you have
that push and shove and it seems like Aaron Rodgers
was walking a balancing act here. In that interview today
with Boomer, he also said, look, I did an interview
for it. I participated in it, but then he left
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himself and out there's going to be some true stuff,
there's going to be some untrue stuff, but it's almost
like he leaves himself some deniability for the real extreme stuff.
But it seems like he's kind of endorsing this book.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I think. I think when it comes out, he'll be
able to point to stuff that isn't true, and that's
what he's going to talk about. I agree, that never happened.
That never happened, This never happened. That never happened. Because
if Ian O'Connor is talking to five hundred different people,
there's somebody is going to say something, just like Aaron Rodgers,
that he doesn't necessarily agree with or is not in
his point of view. But instead of backing up what
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somebody said, he would rather just deny it. And here
here's the other thing. And i'll and i'll just i'll
my final thing about this, the thing about the honesty
with players of any level, Carrie, I would say this
to you or anybody else, if you are a professional athlete,
(15:53):
collegiate athlete, and I'm a member of the media, I
almost and maybe this is wrong, but I almost am
going to trust you and believe you until you give
me a reason not to sure. Yeah, you know, like
in that not that the And I was trying to
balance on how to say it because I didn't want
to say that the person is on trial or the
athletes on trial. That's not it at all. It's you
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don't have to earn my trust. I'm going to take
everything that you have said until at some point something
doesn't add up and then maybe I'm like, Okay, well
I'll have to double back or follow up on this question.
But usually I would give the athlete the benefit of
the doubt or the coach the benefit of the doubt,
and so there was an instance where something didn't match up,
and then I would question. So that's the thing with Rogers,
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and I feel like we always give the athletes. We
actually do give them the benefit of the doubt. And
it's why guys can go a fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year
career and never say anything, you know, because we're like,
all right, this is who they are, they're going to be.
They're not going to say anything. We're going to go along.
There's not any pressing with that. And I don't think
that's necessarily great, but I don't think we go in
and I feel like it's the vice versus. So when
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you talk about that media training, I feel that the
media is looked at as like they're trying to be
in gotcha mode, and I know that there some are,
but realistically, as someone who's trying to talk or trying
to find out stuff, or you're following the team on
a day to day basis, I would think that you
actually do initially start out in a trusting mode.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Well, and I think it differs.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
So there are beat writers that are around organizations that
I had great relationships with. There are some that I
didn't and right, and so the ones that I didn't,
I was going to be a little bit more arn
re too, possibly after a hard day of practice of
somebody trying to press to get something that I'm not
worried about that at this moment, I'm trying to move
on to the next thought or the next thing, right,
So those things are both true. I think there are
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some that would have that mindset that you have, But
there are some that are out there too insite certain
things and they are part of that equation as well.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
So it's tough.
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Brandon Ayuk in the news again, Ian Rapaport saying, all right,
one of two things is going on with it. I
with Ayuk. There is a deal that is in place
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for the Steelers to acquire Brandon Ayuk from the San
Francisco forty nine Ers. However, there is also the forty
nine ers long term contract that is still sitting on
the table for Brandon Nyuk to sign. If your Brandon
Ayuk carry roads, put your shoes in the wide receiver,
what do you ultimately do?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Ultimately? For me, I would want to be a part
of the forty nine Ers. You have a chance to
win a Super Bowl. You have a chance to make
a lot of money. You have a chance to be
in a place and actually submit a legacy there as well.
So if the money's close, I don't know how close
the money is to what he wants, but if it's close,
(19:51):
if it's off by a mill or two, I know
that sounds like a lot of money. But I'd be
okay with that, you know, So that would be my mindset.
But also this guy is also trying to secure his
first big long term contract, so I can see the
push and pool there.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
This is the exact wording for me in Rapaport Steelers
and Niners have a deal on a potential trade in Pittsburgh.
Is in a good place on an IU contract. If
San Francisco gives the final sign off, it's done. San
Francisco does have the offer out to Ayu kind of
long term deal for him to stay. He hasn't accepted.
I think your point of view was similar to Monty
Belanos's point of view as this story's been developing over
(20:29):
the last couple of weeks. You were more for winning,
right as opposed to the dollar signs.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yes, that's exactly what I thought, especially because it seems
like the Patriots offered him money and he said, no,
I don't want to go there. I want to trade,
but I don't want to go there. Yes, And I
don't want to go there. And he wants to stay there,
Yes he does, which is I think very evident in
the situation, or else you would have been like, great,
I'll go where the money goes on.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, he doesn't want to stay there. He wants to
be appreciated. Yes, sure, that's statement. That's that second Like
that's the like, that's the thing, Like it's he just
wants he just wants to be loved, because he doesn't
want to go to Yeah, he wants to go to
New England right now. I was like, right, like nobody does.
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That's not a place to be.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I mean, that's close, That's that's squatch. What's that's the
tame called saskatchingon.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Sketch What I thought you were saying.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I was trying to it was a combination.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It was a combination of Saskatchewan sas squatch riders. My goodness,
our CFL expert is in Iowa. Sam, I I I
if you demand a trade and you say I want out,
you have to be willing to leave, like you have to,
Like I understand, like there's leverage in all of this,
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and I think that I think he's getting cold feet,
and I think he just really wants Sam Francis could
just give me a little bit more. I really want
to stay here. To the point of, like what you
guys are saying, I don't even think it. Winning is great.
You play to win the game. In terms of legacy wise,
we're not going to look at Brandon nayuk As as
(22:16):
an all time great wide receiver because you won a
Super Bowl. That conversation, unfortunately, is set up for quarterbacks
and maybe a running back or a defensive end or someone.
But it's a very very very small company with that.
What you would be doing, though, is if you are
Brandon Nayuk and you do leave, you would be abandoning
(22:36):
what we talk about a lot in college, like entering
the transfer portal. You're leaving this family. And if you're
leaving the forty nine ers when they are on the
verge of trying to win the super Bowl and I
haven't gotten over the hump would have been different. If
they would have won the super Bowl last February, we've
gotten your ring, you would have moved on. But if
you do that, it's a very very selfish move. But
I think that Brandon Nayuk just wants to be loved,
that there's this part of this ego in him that
(22:59):
he is first over money and winning. He just wants
to be appreciated.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
And we all have it.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean, during my process of negotiating my deal, right,
it's about there are comparables. There are people that are
making X amount of dollars in you see yourself as
that person as well, and you want equal value.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
For sure. Pittsburgh, the toughest division in football is AFC North. Yes,
I think that the I think the NFC North is
going to be around there, but from top to bout them,
and then you go to Pittsburgh, there's no guarantee. You
don't necessarily know who the quarterback is. You actually already
do have a wide receiver there in George Pickens that
(23:40):
they are very very high on. And the other thing
that I think Brandon Nayuk needs to, you know, maybe
look at, is his ability to He's always open. That's
there's there are times when you will see a camera
shot of Brandon Ayuk running across the middle and there
is no one there, right, And it's because they're worried
(24:03):
about McCaffrey, they're worried about Kittle, they're worried about Debo,
and if you go to Pittsburgh, they're going to be
worried about Brandon Nyuk. Yeah, and it's going to be
a different story. But with that comes the money. And
I know that you said a million dollars, two million
dollars not a big deal. I think ego comes to
the part of that of seeing where I'm ranked amongst
these other wide receivers in the National Football League, which
(24:25):
shouldn't be. But I think that it is because it
changes on whoever gets the latest contract. I think all
of that is playing into the account of Brandon Nyuk
and why this situation. I'm not sure what he wants,
but I'm pretty sure that he has hurt feelings.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
And even with the million or two million, whatever that
debate is or whatever that number really is, it's not
about that number anyway. It's about the guaranteed number. So
I'm sure that part of it is the part that's
the lingering hold up in this situation.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I said it last week and I'm still I know
again it's only a million or two million, but I
think the money does matter, and it would be nice
to have that championship and win with your guys. But
Brandon Nayuk also wants to be taken care of. I
think he just really wants to be taken care of
by the San Francisco forty nine ers. Yeah, he's carried roads.
I'm dan Byer his son Reddick situation. That's another story.
(25:15):
We'll get to that after Manci Blanios gives us the
latest on what is happening on this Tuesday last.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Thing here with Brandon Ayuk. He just seems like he's
like is the grass greener on the other side, and
he just doesn't know, like he's figuring that.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Out, Mancy. I'll tell him, not.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Just yes, but I feel.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Like that's what he's like.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Is the grass greener on the other side.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Maybe, but I don't know. I think he thinks the
dollar bills are greener. They are, and that's and that
would be his only leverage. I think that's his probably
only leverage with the forty nine ers as well, that
he probably really doesn't want to leave. Yeah, but that's
the only way that he can get more money. And
I'm on the side of money and in terms of
all of this when I look at Brandon Ayuk now
(25:59):
could be different again with that group of people. But
I just feel like, if somebody else is willing to
give you five million dollars more a year, then that's
maybe the place that you should be. M Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It's just I don't you know, I talk about millions.
I don't get it, so it's harder for me to understand.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Have I told you my group play story from last year?
Maybe I might have and it was so unimportant that
you forgot, which I totally don't mind. The Pacers had
an alternate alternate uniform and court that was so whacked.
All of them were wa yeah that I thought it
was an NBA Cup game. They were playing the Bucks,
(26:38):
but you're saying the games are on Tuesday and Fridays, right,
because I'm like, there's no way you would wear these
uniforms or have this court in a normal instance. What
it was it was like a black and great court.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
It was.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
It was a great court. It was just it was
so like far out there. Many of those courts were awful.
I will agree to that. There was this, and then
there was but there was a special NBA Cup court. Yes,
it just wasn't that court. Yes, yeah. And so I'm
watching the game of the Bucks lost and I'm like, wow,
it's gonna hurt their you know, their chances in the
end season tournament. And then it wasn't. It was just
(27:14):
a regular game that I watched. But it was the
design of the court that just completely threw me off.
And I'm like, why are they because they're they're you
have different They had the trophy in the middle of
the court, the uniforms and yeah, yeah, the whole deal
is too much for you. It's just it's just confusing
carry like just like like just slow down NBA?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
All right, Yeah, I'm not confusing. Is what's happening to
pictures in Major League Baseball? Unfortunately Dodgers rookie pitcher River
Ryan will undergo season ending Tommy John surgery got another one?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
No, I don't even know what to say anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I don't eat what. I'll tell you what you should do.
You should just get Tommy John first. You should just
do it. Yes, get it out of the work raft.
Did you get Tommy John surgery and you pitch a
year later? Why not?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
At this at this rate, that may be the way to.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Go if you get shoot Tommy John surgeries. Is that
Tommy John Junior? Because it has happened before. Yeah, Tommy
John the third Oh my god? And you know what,
we may see that is normal? What are you talking about? Normal?
So we may see a third hit her up at
(28:24):
Manci Milanios. What do you think about his sound Reddick
in your Jets? Wow, that one's confusing on why the
Jets wouldn't pay him if you're going to trade for
him exactly?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
If you're he was already going through contract talks and
negotiations and hardships with with the Eagles, and then you
trade for a guy that you know he's not okay
with the contract that he has that he has at
the current moment, So either get that remedied right away
or stay away from that. So that's that's GM malpractice
(28:58):
in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
There's there are trades that are that are made a
lot of times and they don't work out and one
team gets the better of it than the other. My
whole point, and I brought this up yesterday on the network.
I'm curious your thoughts. This to me is such a
hassanoretic problem because you don't know the Jets, Like I
(29:20):
don't think that this is a distraction for the Jets
at all, considering Hassan Redick hasn't been their teammate, Like
he's not even around, So like you don't even have
that leverage if you're a Hassano retic in terms of
man this defense is missing something because you don't even
know what you would have had if Hasan Redick was
there exactly. And there's no there's no I don't want
to say teammates going to back for you because I
(29:40):
don't think that really matters. But there's just not the investment.
I'm sure for every other Jet there, it just feels
like a normal training camp because a son Redick has
not been in their thought process since he wasn't a
member of their team, you know, until this past offseason
one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
I mean, the guy has no equity in the building.
So they're not worried about that. They're worried about the
guys that they have there, the players that they had,
they have there already. They're already a top defense without them,
so they're not you know. And so a lot of
those guys were talking about egos being at play, like
we don't we don't need him. We don't need this guy.
We're fine without him. If he comes, great, He's supposed
(30:15):
to be a booth for us. But like you said,
there's too much unknowns around them surrounding it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
The j e TS Jets continue to be in the headlines.
But I just don't Yeah, I don't think the son
Radics situation is really affecting them. We're gonna stay in
New York carry Roads, a place where you played. We're
gonna talk about the goats of New York. And does
one New York athlete already have his spot reserved. He's
carry Roads the All Pro I'm Dan Byer in for
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and The New York Post says, if you're talking about
greats in the Yankees history, Aaron Judge is already a
(31:42):
part of that conversation. Do you consider Aaron Judge a
Yankee great? A not greatest of all time? But when
you're talking about a franchise that has had so much
success over its entire history and so many popular players
and great players, do you consider Aaron Judge in that
(32:03):
class of Yankee greats?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Aaron Judge is already an all time Yankee is great. Obviously,
there's a winning formula that you know, a lot of
the greats before him, him has already achieved, so he's
still lacking something there. But as far as this a
dominant baseball player and being somebody that's feared throughout baseball
(32:25):
for eight years already, I consider him to be one
of the greats already for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
The funny thing that I feel like when we talk
about the Yankees is we don't group all of the
all time great Yankees in one group. Like I think
there's a different level for like DiMaggio, Babe Ruth obviously,
but you don't maybe realize how great Yogi Barrow was.
Was that you that I was having a conversation about.
(32:52):
I can't remember someone was telling me, they're like, do
you realize like how amazing Yogi Barrow was as a player.
And we'd think of Yo Gibera and his sayings because
we weren't around at that time. But you look at
his accolades and they're like pretty darn amazing, and you
think of all the Yankee greats. And I'm not a
huge baseball guy, but in terms of the nineteen eighties
(33:13):
when they weren't really winning, especially in the mid to
late nineteen eighties, I think Don Mattingly is considered a
Yankee great. I know, he's probably the favorite player that
could be Cavino's favorite player, one of his favorite players,
favorite Yankees of all time. And it wasn't like Don
Mattingly had had a ring, Like there's just that Yankee
uniform carries so much weight, so even to the point
(33:35):
of like where Aaron Judges ring wise, Yeah, it may
not match up to Derek Jeter and others, but there's
no doubt about in my mind that Aaron Judge is
a is a great. Also because he has the number,
like the ninety nine number like just fits like it
works because you're so used to all the single digit
number greatness that you have Jeter's two, Babe Ruth's three,
(33:58):
and then you have the ninety nine. I think that
plays a big part in it too, But just really
what he's done on the field. Yeah, Aaron Judge, all
time Yankee great.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
And just a mystique. I mean, like you said, the
ninety nine, such a big guy. So he's a hooking figure.
So just like you know, through the anles of history,
I think as you get through, I guess him playing
because obviously when you play, when you're active and you're
playing a lot of times, you get kind of missed
with some of the praise that you deserve. But when
he's done, how big he was, the ninety nine, the power,
(34:29):
the I mean just also the golden gloves that he
got in the outfield. It's not just about what he
does to play. I mean, the guy does a complete stud.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Jason Stewart, our executive producer, the piece that Hayman Wrights
points out, numbers wise, analytically wise, and everything else, he
should be considered among the greats. And I don't think
that there. I don't really even dispute that. I think
the big difference is how we regard baseball, especially doing
what we do for a woman on a national level,
(34:58):
it just doesn't move the need one anymore. Like a
great example, this week, Aaron Judge was on the news.
Do you remember why? Because he was giving something to
Caitlin Clark, a much more famous sports figure in this country.
Shouldn't Aaron Judge be getting gifts when he goes from
city to city?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Hold on, I don't think Caitlyn Clark. Hold on, hold on,
good us, No way, Caitlin Clark is more popular than
Aaron Judge.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
No way, hot tag.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Let's let's let's yeah, let's bring in the unbiased opinion
of Iowa saying, let's hear this unbiased opinion. Let's after
you're done, let's go to Manzi. Who you got a
Caitlyn Clark Iowa Jersey for her unbiased opinion.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I think that she is more known internationally and she
is more popular out outside of basketball, so I would
absolutely say she's more popular than Aaron Judge. There's no
way they don't even know who Aaron Judge is. You said,
what there's people on here in California who don't know
who Aaron Judge is.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
There is there is say I don't even know what
metric I could use, but I'm sorry. Aaron Judge Number
one has the longevity, like Caitlin Clark, has been a
conversation for for a true conversation for what eighteen months,
But I think that more people know who she is.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
You know, it's crazy, Dan, I might agree with Iowa
Sam here, and it's not because because I'm a Yankee
fan too, and I believe that Judge is all the
things that we're saying and what you're saying as well.
I just think the explosion of the women's game and
what she did during those times it kind of unrivals
any other any other thing, any other player, any other
(36:43):
sport as well.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
It's it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
This is where Jason's baseball problem with baseball point maybe
made exactly of where baseball is not doing any favors
to Aaron Judge. But he also broke the American League
mark for home runs in a season. Yeah, a couple
of years ago. We were following that, and I don't
(37:05):
care there was. There has not been a story over
the last five years World Series included that we have
talked about on field stuff more than that year's home
run chase. Hasn't happened Jack Carlo Stanton when he was
with the Marlins, what fifty seven to fifty nine was
closing in? Yeah, it was kind of a story before
he came to the to the Yankees. I would also
(37:27):
say that with Stanton, with Soto, Judge is still a bigger,
bigger figure, Yes, than those two for sure. So like
he is, and and who do we want to see
in the All Star Game? We wanted to see Paul
Skenes go up against, not Caitlyn Clark, Aaron Judge. She
was the reason that we watched it. So I know,
we get we are a prisoner of the Caitlyn Clark moment,
(37:50):
but there is no way that she is more popular
than Aaron Judge. That's that is that's absurd to say
that's that's disrespectful to an MVP of Major League Baseball,
a six time All Star, a three times Silver Slugger,
a Rookie of the Year, a home run derby champ.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
But okay, what's the word you're using here?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Popular? Because the word choice can be at a detriment here.
So what's what's your what's your praid? What is what
are what are you debating here? Right now?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Dan famous her the fame, fame, Yes.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
More people, She's more famous.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Word Judge.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
I think I think she's more famous than Judge right now.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
And you know, and I'm a Judge guy, so so it's.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Not It doesn't sound like it. Sure sounds like you're
a Kaitlyn Clark drinking the kool Aid mazi. You got
twenty seconds.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I just I asked a group of my girlfriends who
aren't big sports athletes, I asked, who do you know
who judges Kaitlyn Clark. One responded, I know Caitlyn Clark,
the basketball player. I assume Aaron Judge is an athlete.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Let's why don't you pull some people in Jamoine, Iowa
see what they think? Please carry you out. I'm dan
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should be. One of the younger quarterbacks in the National
Football League going to be out a while. JJ McCarthy
going to have surgery on that meniscus. The oldest quarterback
(01:30):
in the National Football League is where we start with
Aaron Rodgers. Yes, and I do want to say this.
In all of the conversations that we've had about Aaron
Rodgers or I've had on this network, and I do
the Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays here, Doug has a it's
a relationship with Aaron Rodgers. I don't know if they're
really friends, but they've been in social circles together, so
(01:54):
they've spoken. But you know, a little bit more about
Aaron Rodgers. There's a relationship there, sure.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
So when we're talking about Aaron Rodgers, we have someone
in Carry Rhodes who has first hand experience in me
just going off the handle on whatever I hear and see.
This is what we heard when Aaron Rodgers, quarterback of
the New York Jets, was on Boomer and Geo on
wfa N as they were at Jets training camp Rogers.
Obviously there's a book coming out about him next week
(02:23):
by Ian O'Connor. Boomer and Geo had asked him about
his cooperation with the book, and it's not authorized by Aaron,
it's just about Aaron. But this was an exchange that
Boomer and Geo had with the Jets quarterback earlier today.
Speaker 7 (02:38):
I've always said that of all the guys that I've
ever interviewed in the NFL that have played our position,
I don't necessarily know that there's anybody that thinks the
way that you do. Maybe Tom Brady to a certain extent,
but the things that you think about are different than
what everybody else is thinking about.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Well, I think that that is partially true.
Speaker 7 (02:56):
I think the other part is I'm willing to say
non cliche every tune at the same time we sit
down for something like this, gott not worried about the
repercussions from it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
That is, that is the important point here where I
think Bloomerasisin wasn't really accurate in terms of the thinking.
We have no idea what other quarterbacks are thinking because
they don't talk, right. Aaron Rodgers does talk and says
what he has to say. And for as much as
I've been critical of Aaron Rodgers throughout the years, and
(03:26):
I'm probably not going to change today, but I do
appreciate his honesty and willingness to talk about a variety
of topics that other quarterbacks really just have never done
in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
Yeah, and that's one of my favorite things about him.
You know, a lot of guys we've been trained, and
we go through media training leaving college getting ready to
put the NFL, and obviously we want to keep those real,
true emotions of certain things, certain game plans, all that
stuff really close to the vest. And so you know,
that's why you get the cliche answers from most people,
not just quarterbacks, but you know, most athletes when they're
(03:59):
giving you know, their daily press, their daily pressors, it's
it's going to be minimal.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
What's but what do they say in just quickly in
media training, like do they tell you to say cliches?
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Oh? They tell us to keep stay away from game
plan stuff.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Number one. So we're trying not to feed our opponents
and your information. So we give that, but also stay
away from things that can be controversial. So if you're
a young guy, you're not going to do that number one.
Number Two, if you're in a big media market like
New York, which I was as a as a twenty
one year old kid, you don't want to stoke the fire,
So stay away from the fires. It's one of the
(04:35):
things they would teach in media training.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
And I guess Aaron Rodgers, because he's been in the
game as long as he has, he's not worried about
the fires.
Speaker 7 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
No, no, no, no, no, he's established.
Speaker 6 (04:46):
He's his play. His play speaks for itself.
Speaker 5 (04:48):
If he says something that may not fall in line
with what everybody else thinks, that doesn't really, that doesn't
bother him as long as he's able to communicate what's
in his brain, what's on his heart, and put it
out there in a way that's authentic for him. He's
fine with that, and that's that's really the truth about
who he is. And I mean I've known him since
we came in together in oh five. He hosted my
(05:09):
my camp for Derby when I went back to Derby,
so we have a real relationship. So I know him
that way, and then you get to see him later
on at forty be able to live live. It is
authentic truth. It's pretty it's.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Pretty cool me so to see that. So not that Aaron,
I don't know, maybe he did. Maybe he's giving you
conspiracy theories when you're at the camp and you're just
you know, nodding your head and maybe you're going a lot.
I don't know what this scenario is. But when you say,
like the Eran that you know, like this is the
Eran that you know, This is the Eron that that you.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
This is the errand that I know. This doesn't mean
he was talking about conspiracy theory or everything at that time.
But at his at the core, at his heart, he
is somebody that wants to be heard and taken seriously
for the stuff that he knows or he believes in.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
And that's all.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And there's there's a lot to this because again I
love the honesty in fact, as we're sitting here knowing
that we're filling in for Covino en Rich today it's like,
all right, what are the hot topics? And this morning
I'm sitting around and I see an article says Jason
Tatum unsure about the twenty twenty eight Olympics and whether
he wants to play. And I thought to myself, Okay,
(06:14):
this could be a topic for us. But then I said, well,
if somebody asked him, were you going to play in
twenty twenty eight and he's like, I'm not sure. Number one,
he's being honest. He may also be covering his bases.
And we don't have to give him an ev hold
him to an answer now when it's not for another
four years away. But if he isn't sure for whatever
(06:34):
variety of reasons, then that's his take. I'm not going
to pile on because he isn't sure for something that's
going to happen four years down the line. Now, if
he said no way, I'm not going to play in
the Olympic team, like after this experience, I'm not going to,
then it's a conversation that we have. If he just
kind of passes it off and like, hey, it was
a great experience, there's not much there, but I'm appreciate
(06:57):
at least his honesty, and I'm just like, I'm not
feeling the need a pile on at that point. He's
just being honest. The decisions along ways away. Aaron Rodgers
talks a lot. He says a lot of things. I
love that. I love his candidness. And when you're a
quarterback in the NFL for twenty years basically like he
has been, there is a responsibility where, guess what, your
(07:20):
words carry a lot more weight sure than anyone else's,
which has allowed him to say those things. However, he
can also say things that maybe a younger quarterback couldn't
because of the ramifications from it, so like he can
also be used as a weapon. Here's where I stand
with Aaron Rodgers. I love the honesty. I love everything
(07:42):
about it. But number one, don't be condescending, don't play games,
and don't try to be the smartest man in the room.
And that's where I veer off from him and the
honesty portion of it. I love the honesty talking about
running the football, whether it was Mike McCarthy as the
head coach, or Matt Lafleur, and like that stuff, and
(08:04):
hearing what goes on there, absolutely, I'm sorry, Immunized was
a complete turn off when we hear what he was
actually saying. Now we find out in the book that
maybe he was allergic to some of the things in
some of the vaccines. You say that, I think everybody understands,
but it's you're trying to trick, You're trying to play games.
(08:26):
You're saying, well, nobody followed up with a follow up
question like that's the stuff that rubs me the wrong way.
And now I think that he does try to get
a reaction. He does only go to places that are
usually safe places for him to talk, save Haven's for that,
and so the honesty portion of it, it just becomes
a little bit more slanted. I love the honesty. I'd
(08:47):
much rather have Aaron Rodgers talked than Drew Brees, who
said really nothing throughout his entire career. I really don't
even know who Drew Brees is because he never really
said anything. Maybe the same thing with Tom Brady, those
sort of things. I'd rather have the's portion of it,
But it doesn't mean I have to love all of.
Speaker 6 (09:02):
It, damn.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
So if somebody was if you were going to a
place and every time he went to that place, they
kicked you out the door, or they rejected you, or
the value in what you were saying at that time
wasn't appreciated, would you continue to go back to that source?
So would you go to a source that was safe
for you to communicate the way you want to community communicate?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, I probably wouldn't be going back that And.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
That's where that's where a lot of this comes from. Right,
So when you see the way that certain things have
been taken out of context or and the immunized thing,
that was a bad look for him, Like I will
say that as well. But when you have those things
happened to you on a consistent basis, you got to
find a place that's safe for you to do it.
And so I think that's where he's resorted to. But
(09:45):
I mean, it's it's one of those loaded things because
I do know that he wants to be heard for
the truth and so and wants his words to be
taken that way. And so it's hard when I hear
people say, you know, he's going to a safe place
to speak, because that is where he's going. It's true,
that is a true statement, but I don't think that's
a bad statement.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
He's carried oats. I'm Dan Byer talking Aaron Rodgers here
on Fox Sports Radio. I know Jason Stewart, our executive producer,
loves this sort of topic. Where are you on Rogers
and his ability to speak and what he says and
how he says it well.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
First and foremost, I'm an audience for a lot of
the stuff that really pisses people off about him. I
like when he goes on podcasts and he talks about
these very interesting, far out things. I think that that
onto itself is so unique. You don't see a lot
of people that we cover go and just discuss theories
kind of in a smart way. You might disagree with
(10:44):
everything that he says, but you can't say that they're
not thoughtful and that he puts a lot of thought
into it and his own research into it. And I
think that we lose sight of that with Eric because
everyone gets gets kind of caught up in these kind
of outrageous things. And I think he went on Hard
Knocks Laustion talked about aliens and stuff, and we kind
of allow that to distract us from the fact that
(11:05):
how many of these people in my career, and I've
been doing this for almost what three decades? Can we
say that is at the top of his game and
is thoroughly interesting to listen to talk to about things
that have nothing to do with his sport. So I
appreciate that about him. I don't think we could lose
sight of that.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I have no problem with that. My problem becomes in
I'll just use the alien example. If he goes out
and says, and I'm making up a fake situation, guess
what they were? Aliens spotted in Winnipeg in two thousand
and five and nobody's talking about it, and you're like,
(11:43):
wait a second, I've never heard of this. Maybe that's
why nobody's talking about it. But I don't believe aliens
landed in Winnipeg in two thousand and five. And then
he'd be like, well, you didn't do your research, and
that's where it ends, you know, like in terms of
that ass it, he's then he's now smarter than you
because he brought up a topic that was so out
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there and it's just it. It becomes this war of words,
and I think that he says stuff like that to
get the reaction, like there's I would love to the
There was a clip going on on social media from
last year in the preseason game and hearing him on
the sidelines when he was jawing with a Giants defender
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and he said, I gave him the ultimate, you know,
thing that you can't come back from. He's like, you know,
I don't know who you are, and he said I
don't know who you are and he's like, that's bs.
That is awesome, Like that's but that's also micd up.
So I don't expect like that's not anything special. But
that's the stuff that you know, like don those lines
that I like to hear. And I'm not trying to
to mute Aaron Rodgers. If Aaron Rodgers wants to go
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on his podcast and you know, say all of that
stuff and do all the things, it's my choice whether
to listen to it or not listen to it and
believe it. I just do think that sometimes when he
goes on the mainstream places like a pat and there's
no one there to push back against him, right that
it's that's the safe place that I'm talking about if
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you are talking about more serious issues, if we're you know,
just shooting the ball, talking about you know, wacky things,
that's one thing. But he doesn't necessarily always talk about
wacky things in his topics. It's more serious and present
day topics. And I do think that if you're going
to have a true discourse, like, there's got to be
some pushback or conversation from it.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
Yeah. I agree with the conversation part of it.
Speaker 5 (13:29):
Yeah, I think there is a level of pushback that
I think some viewers like yourself, Dan, or listeners would
want to to see happening happen. I think that will
happen after he's done. I think there will be a
place in time where that does occur. But in the meantime,
I think he does in the safe space of being
able to share his thoughts and his and his beliefs
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and you know, and from there we just gotta we
have to accept it or like you said, don't listen
to it.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Right, I can. I can also empathize, well, nobody's ever
written a book about me. But if he is not,
if he isn't authorizing this book, yeah, and I'm sure
there's going to be some stuff that he is gonna
go back against. However, however, in the same breath and
I bring Jason Stewart in here. Yeah, Jason Stewart and
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I were talking, I don't know, maybe a year or
two ago about certain documentaries and there was the Pamela
Anderson one. Yeah, that was on that it was all
about her, and I said it was really good, and
you were like, not for me. It's completely like from
her point of view, right, Like, isn't that the catch?
And we've also learned about it with the Last Dance,
Like the big catch with the Last Dance was the
(14:38):
access to Michael Jordan.
Speaker 6 (14:39):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
I think the downside of that is you feel like
the documentarian, the storyteller, will feel compelled not to tell
all of the dirt. And so it's like you have
that push and shove and it seems like Aaron Rodgers
was walking a balancing act here. In that interview today
with Boomer, he also said, look, I did an interview
for it. I participated in it, but then he left
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himself and out there's going to be some true stuff,
there's going to be some untrue stuff, but it's almost
like he leaves himself some deniability for the real extreme stuff.
But it seems like he's kind of endorsing this book.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I think. I think when it comes out, he'll be
able to point to stuff that isn't true, and that's
what he's going to talk about. I agree, that never happened.
That never happened, This never happened. That never happened. Because
if Ian O'Connor is talking to five hundred different people,
there's somebody is going to say something, just like Aaron Rodgers,
that he doesn't necessarily agree with or is not in
his point of view. But instead of backing up what
(15:32):
somebody said, he would rather just deny it. And here
here's the other thing. And i'll and i'll just i'll
my final thing about this, the thing about the honesty
with players of any level, Carrie, I would say this
to you or anybody else, if you are a professional athlete,
(15:53):
collegiate athlete, and I'm a member of the media, I
almost and maybe this is wrong, but I almost am
going to trust you and believe you until you give
me a reason not to sure. Yeah, you know, like
in that not that the And I was trying to
balance on how to say it because I didn't want
to say that the person is on trial or the
athletes on trial. That's not it at all. It's you
(16:16):
don't have to earn my trust. I'm going to take
everything that you have said until at some point something
doesn't add up and then maybe I'm like, Okay, well
I'll have to double back or follow up on this question.
But usually I would give the athlete the benefit of
the doubt or the coach the benefit of the doubt,
and so there was an instance where something didn't match up,
and then I would question. So that's the thing with Rogers,
(16:38):
and I feel like we always give the athletes. We
actually do give them the benefit of the doubt. And
it's why guys can go a fifteen, sixteen, seventeen year
career and never say anything, you know, because we're like,
all right, this is who they are, they're going to be.
They're not going to say anything. We're going to go along.
There's not any pressing with that. And I don't think
that's necessarily great, but I don't think we go in
and I feel like it's the vice versus. So when
(16:59):
you talk about that media training, I feel that the
media is looked at as like they're trying to be
in gotcha mode, and I know that there some are,
but realistically, as someone who's trying to talk or trying
to find out stuff, or you're following the team on
a day to day basis, I would think that you
actually do initially start out in a trusting mode.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
Well, and I think it differs.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
So there are beat writers that are around organizations that
I had great relationships with. There are some that I
didn't and right, and so the ones that I didn't,
I was going to be a little bit more arn
re too, possibly after a hard day of practice of
somebody trying to press to get something that I'm not
worried about that at this moment, I'm trying to move
on to the next thought or the next thing, right,
So those things are both true. I think there are
(17:41):
some that would have that mindset that you have, But
there are some that are out there too insite certain
things and they are part of that equation as well.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
So it's tough.
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Brandon Ayuk in the news again, Ian Rapaport saying, all right,
one of two things is going on with it. I
with Ayuk. There is a deal that is in place
(19:09):
for the Steelers to acquire Brandon Ayuk from the San
Francisco forty nine Ers. However, there is also the forty
nine ers long term contract that is still sitting on
the table for Brandon Nyuk to sign. If your Brandon
Ayuk carry roads, put your shoes in the wide receiver,
what do you ultimately do?
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Ultimately? For me, I would want to be a part
of the forty nine Ers. You have a chance to
win a Super Bowl. You have a chance to make
a lot of money. You have a chance to be
in a place and actually submit a legacy there as well.
So if the money's close, I don't know how close
the money is to what he wants, but if it's close,
(19:51):
if it's off by a mill or two, I know
that sounds like a lot of money. But I'd be
okay with that, you know, So that would be my mindset.
But also this guy is also trying to secure his
first big long term contract, so I can see the
push and pool there.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
This is the exact wording for me in Rapaport Steelers
and Niners have a deal on a potential trade in Pittsburgh.
Is in a good place on an IU contract. If
San Francisco gives the final sign off, it's done. San
Francisco does have the offer out to Ayu kind of
long term deal for him to stay. He hasn't accepted.
I think your point of view was similar to Monty
Belanos's point of view as this story's been developing over
(20:29):
the last couple of weeks. You were more for winning,
right as opposed to the dollar signs.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Yes, that's exactly what I thought, especially because it seems
like the Patriots offered him money and he said, no,
I don't want to go there. I want to trade,
but I don't want to go there. Yes, And I
don't want to go there. And he wants to stay there,
Yes he does, which is I think very evident in
the situation, or else you would have been like, great,
I'll go where the money goes on.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, he doesn't want to stay there. He wants to
be appreciated. Yes, sure, that's statement. That's that second Like
that's the like, that's the thing, Like it's he just
wants he just wants to be loved, because he doesn't
want to go to Yeah, he wants to go to
New England right now. I was like, right, like nobody does.
(21:16):
That's not a place to be.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
I mean, that's close, That's that's squatch. What's that's the
tame called saskatchingon.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Sketch What I thought you were saying.
Speaker 6 (21:29):
I was trying to it was a combination.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It was a combination of Saskatchewan sas squatch riders. My goodness,
our CFL expert is in Iowa. Sam, I I I
if you demand a trade and you say I want out,
you have to be willing to leave, like you have to,
Like I understand, like there's leverage in all of this,
(21:53):
and I think that I think he's getting cold feet,
and I think he just really wants Sam Francis could
just give me a little bit more. I really want
to stay here. To the point of, like what you
guys are saying, I don't even think it. Winning is great.
You play to win the game. In terms of legacy wise,
we're not going to look at Brandon nayuk As as
(22:16):
an all time great wide receiver because you won a
Super Bowl. That conversation, unfortunately, is set up for quarterbacks
and maybe a running back or a defensive end or someone.
But it's a very very very small company with that.
What you would be doing, though, is if you are
Brandon Nayuk and you do leave, you would be abandoning
(22:36):
what we talk about a lot in college, like entering
the transfer portal. You're leaving this family. And if you're
leaving the forty nine ers when they are on the
verge of trying to win the super Bowl and I
haven't gotten over the hump would have been different. If
they would have won the super Bowl last February, we've
gotten your ring, you would have moved on. But if
you do that, it's a very very selfish move. But
I think that Brandon Nayuk just wants to be loved,
that there's this part of this ego in him that
(22:59):
he is first over money and winning. He just wants
to be appreciated.
Speaker 6 (23:04):
And we all have it.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean, during my process of negotiating my deal, right,
it's about there are comparables. There are people that are
making X amount of dollars in you see yourself as
that person as well, and you want equal value.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
For sure. Pittsburgh, the toughest division in football is AFC North. Yes,
I think that the I think the NFC North is
going to be around there, but from top to bout them,
and then you go to Pittsburgh, there's no guarantee. You
don't necessarily know who the quarterback is. You actually already
do have a wide receiver there in George Pickens that
(23:40):
they are very very high on. And the other thing
that I think Brandon Nayuk needs to, you know, maybe
look at, is his ability to He's always open. That's
there's there are times when you will see a camera
shot of Brandon Ayuk running across the middle and there
is no one there, right, And it's because they're worried
(24:03):
about McCaffrey, they're worried about Kittle, they're worried about Debo,
and if you go to Pittsburgh, they're going to be
worried about Brandon Nyuk. Yeah, and it's going to be
a different story. But with that comes the money. And
I know that you said a million dollars, two million
dollars not a big deal. I think ego comes to
the part of that of seeing where I'm ranked amongst
these other wide receivers in the National Football League, which
(24:25):
shouldn't be. But I think that it is because it
changes on whoever gets the latest contract. I think all
of that is playing into the account of Brandon Nyuk
and why this situation. I'm not sure what he wants,
but I'm pretty sure that he has hurt feelings.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
And even with the million or two million, whatever that
debate is or whatever that number really is, it's not
about that number anyway. It's about the guaranteed number. So
I'm sure that part of it is the part that's
the lingering hold up in this situation.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I said it last week and I'm still I know
again it's only a million or two million, but I
think the money does matter, and it would be nice
to have that championship and win with your guys. But
Brandon Nayuk also wants to be taken care of. I
think he just really wants to be taken care of
by the San Francisco forty nine ers. Yeah, he's carried roads.
I'm dan Byer his son Reddick situation. That's another story.
(25:15):
We'll get to that after Manci Blanios gives us the
latest on what is happening on this Tuesday last.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Thing here with Brandon Ayuk. He just seems like he's
like is the grass greener on the other side, and
he just doesn't know, like he's figuring that.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Out, Mancy. I'll tell him, not.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Just yes, but I feel.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Like that's what he's like.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Is the grass greener on the other side.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Maybe, but I don't know. I think he thinks the
dollar bills are greener. They are, and that's and that
would be his only leverage. I think that's his probably
only leverage with the forty nine ers as well, that
he probably really doesn't want to leave. Yeah, but that's
the only way that he can get more money. And
I'm on the side of money and in terms of
all of this when I look at Brandon Ayuk now
(25:59):
could be different again with that group of people. But
I just feel like, if somebody else is willing to
give you five million dollars more a year, then that's
maybe the place that you should be. M Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
It's just I don't you know, I talk about millions.
I don't get it, so it's harder for me to understand.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Have I told you my group play story from last year?
Maybe I might have and it was so unimportant that
you forgot, which I totally don't mind. The Pacers had
an alternate alternate uniform and court that was so whacked.
All of them were wa yeah that I thought it
was an NBA Cup game. They were playing the Bucks,
(26:38):
but you're saying the games are on Tuesday and Fridays, right,
because I'm like, there's no way you would wear these
uniforms or have this court in a normal instance. What
it was it was like a black and great court.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
It was.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
It was a great court. It was just it was
so like far out there. Many of those courts were awful.
I will agree to that. There was this, and then
there was but there was a special NBA Cup court. Yes,
it just wasn't that court. Yes, yeah. And so I'm
watching the game of the Bucks lost and I'm like, wow,
it's gonna hurt their you know, their chances in the
end season tournament. And then it wasn't. It was just
(27:14):
a regular game that I watched. But it was the
design of the court that just completely threw me off.
And I'm like, why are they because they're they're you
have different They had the trophy in the middle of
the court, the uniforms and yeah, yeah, the whole deal
is too much for you. It's just it's just confusing
carry like just like like just slow down NBA?
Speaker 2 (27:33):
All right, Yeah, I'm not confusing. Is what's happening to
pictures in Major League Baseball? Unfortunately Dodgers rookie pitcher River
Ryan will undergo season ending Tommy John surgery got another one?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Wow?
Speaker 8 (27:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (27:45):
No, I don't even know what to say anymore.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
I don't eat what. I'll tell you what you should do.
You should just get Tommy John first. You should just
do it. Yes, get it out of the work raft.
Did you get Tommy John surgery and you pitch a
year later? Why not?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
At this at this rate, that may be the way to.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Go if you get shoot Tommy John surgeries. Is that
Tommy John Junior? Because it has happened before. Yeah, Tommy
John the third Oh my god? And you know what,
we may see that is normal? What are you talking about? Normal?
So we may see a third hit her up at
(28:24):
Manci Milanios. What do you think about his sound Reddick
in your Jets? Wow, that one's confusing on why the
Jets wouldn't pay him if you're going to trade for
him exactly?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
If you're he was already going through contract talks and
negotiations and hardships with with the Eagles, and then you
trade for a guy that you know he's not okay
with the contract that he has that he has at
the current moment, So either get that remedied right away
or stay away from that. So that's that's GM malpractice
(28:58):
in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
There's there are trades that are that are made a
lot of times and they don't work out and one
team gets the better of it than the other. My
whole point, and I brought this up yesterday on the network.
I'm curious your thoughts. This to me is such a
hassanoretic problem because you don't know the Jets, Like I
(29:20):
don't think that this is a distraction for the Jets
at all, considering Hassan Redick hasn't been their teammate, Like
he's not even around, So like you don't even have
that leverage if you're a Hassano retic in terms of
man this defense is missing something because you don't even
know what you would have had if Hasan Redick was
there exactly. And there's no there's no I don't want
to say teammates going to back for you because I
(29:40):
don't think that really matters. But there's just not the investment.
I'm sure for every other Jet there, it just feels
like a normal training camp because a son Redick has
not been in their thought process since he wasn't a
member of their team, you know, until this past offseason
one hundred percent.
Speaker 5 (29:53):
I mean, the guy has no equity in the building.
So they're not worried about that. They're worried about the
guys that they have there, the players that they had,
they have there already. They're already a top defense without them,
so they're not you know. And so a lot of
those guys were talking about egos being at play, like
we don't we don't need him. We don't need this guy.
We're fine without him. If he comes, great, He's supposed
(30:15):
to be a booth for us. But like you said,
there's too much unknowns around them surrounding it.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
The j e TS Jets continue to be in the headlines.
But I just don't Yeah, I don't think the son
Radics situation is really affecting them. We're gonna stay in
New York carry Roads, a place where you played. We're
gonna talk about the goats of New York. And does
one New York athlete already have his spot reserved. He's
carry Roads the All Pro I'm Dan Byer in for
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and The New York Post says, if you're talking about
greats in the Yankees history, Aaron Judge is already a
(31:42):
part of that conversation. Do you consider Aaron Judge a
Yankee great? A not greatest of all time? But when
you're talking about a franchise that has had so much
success over its entire history and so many popular players
and great players, do you consider Aaron Judge in that
(32:03):
class of Yankee greats?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
Aaron Judge is already an all time Yankee is great. Obviously,
there's a winning formula that you know, a lot of
the greats before him, him has already achieved, so he's
still lacking something there. But as far as this a
dominant baseball player and being somebody that's feared throughout baseball
(32:25):
for eight years already, I consider him to be one
of the greats already for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
The funny thing that I feel like when we talk
about the Yankees is we don't group all of the
all time great Yankees in one group. Like I think
there's a different level for like DiMaggio, Babe Ruth obviously,
but you don't maybe realize how great Yogi Barrow was.
Was that you that I was having a conversation about.
(32:52):
I can't remember someone was telling me, they're like, do
you realize like how amazing Yogi Barrow was as a player.
And we'd think of Yo Gibera and his sayings because
we weren't around at that time. But you look at
his accolades and they're like pretty darn amazing, and you
think of all the Yankee greats. And I'm not a
huge baseball guy, but in terms of the nineteen eighties
(33:13):
when they weren't really winning, especially in the mid to
late nineteen eighties, I think Don Mattingly is considered a
Yankee great. I know, he's probably the favorite player that
could be Cavino's favorite player, one of his favorite players,
favorite Yankees of all time. And it wasn't like Don
Mattingly had had a ring, Like there's just that Yankee
uniform carries so much weight, so even to the point
(33:35):
of like where Aaron Judges ring wise, Yeah, it may
not match up to Derek Jeter and others, but there's
no doubt about in my mind that Aaron Judge is
a is a great. Also because he has the number,
like the ninety nine number like just fits like it
works because you're so used to all the single digit
number greatness that you have Jeter's two, Babe Ruth's three,
(33:58):
and then you have the ninety nine. I think that
plays a big part in it too, But just really
what he's done on the field. Yeah, Aaron Judge, all
time Yankee great.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
And just a mystique. I mean, like you said, the
ninety nine, such a big guy. So he's a hooking figure.
So just like you know, through the anles of history,
I think as you get through, I guess him playing
because obviously when you play, when you're active and you're
playing a lot of times, you get kind of missed
with some of the praise that you deserve. But when
he's done, how big he was, the ninety nine, the power,
(34:29):
the I mean just also the golden gloves that he
got in the outfield. It's not just about what he
does to play. I mean, the guy does a complete stud.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Jason Stewart, our executive producer, the piece that Hayman Wrights
points out, numbers wise, analytically wise, and everything else, he
should be considered among the greats. And I don't think
that there. I don't really even dispute that. I think
the big difference is how we regard baseball, especially doing
what we do for a woman on a national level,
(34:58):
it just doesn't move the need one anymore. Like a
great example, this week, Aaron Judge was on the news.
Do you remember why? Because he was giving something to
Caitlin Clark, a much more famous sports figure in this country.
Shouldn't Aaron Judge be getting gifts when he goes from
city to city?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Hold on, I don't think Caitlyn Clark. Hold on, hold on,
good us, No way, Caitlin Clark is more popular than
Aaron Judge.
Speaker 6 (35:25):
No way, hot tag.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Let's let's let's yeah, let's bring in the unbiased opinion
of Iowa saying, let's hear this unbiased opinion. Let's after
you're done, let's go to Manzi. Who you got a
Caitlyn Clark Iowa Jersey for her unbiased opinion.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
I think that she is more known internationally and she
is more popular out outside of basketball, so I would
absolutely say she's more popular than Aaron Judge. There's no
way they don't even know who Aaron Judge is. You said,
what there's people on here in California who don't know
who Aaron Judge is.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
There is there is say I don't even know what
metric I could use, but I'm sorry. Aaron Judge Number
one has the longevity, like Caitlin Clark, has been a
conversation for for a true conversation for what eighteen months,
But I think that more people know who she is.
Speaker 5 (36:21):
You know, it's crazy, Dan, I might agree with Iowa
Sam here, and it's not because because I'm a Yankee
fan too, and I believe that Judge is all the
things that we're saying and what you're saying as well.
I just think the explosion of the women's game and
what she did during those times it kind of unrivals
any other any other thing, any other player, any other
(36:43):
sport as well.
Speaker 6 (36:44):
It's it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
This is where Jason's baseball problem with baseball point maybe
made exactly of where baseball is not doing any favors
to Aaron Judge. But he also broke the American League
mark for home runs in a season. Yeah, a couple
of years ago. We were following that, and I don't
(37:05):
care there was. There has not been a story over
the last five years World Series included that we have
talked about on field stuff more than that year's home
run chase. Hasn't happened Jack Carlo Stanton when he was
with the Marlins, what fifty seven to fifty nine was
closing in? Yeah, it was kind of a story before
he came to the to the Yankees. I would also
(37:27):
say that with Stanton, with Soto, Judge is still a bigger,
bigger figure, Yes, than those two for sure. So like
he is, and and who do we want to see
in the All Star Game? We wanted to see Paul
Skenes go up against, not Caitlyn Clark, Aaron Judge. She
was the reason that we watched it. So I know,
we get we are a prisoner of the Caitlyn Clark moment,
(37:50):
but there is no way that she is more popular
than Aaron Judge. That's that is that's absurd to say
that's that's disrespectful to an MVP of Major League Baseball,
a six time All Star, a three times Silver Slugger,
a Rookie of the Year, a home run derby champ.
Speaker 6 (38:13):
But okay, what's the word you're using here?
Speaker 5 (38:16):
Popular? Because the word choice can be at a detriment here.
So what's what's your what's your praid? What is what
are what are you debating here? Right now?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Dan famous her the fame, fame, Yes.
Speaker 6 (38:29):
More people, She's more famous.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
Word Judge.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
I think I think she's more famous than Judge right now.
Speaker 5 (38:35):
And you know, and I'm a Judge guy, so so it's.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Not It doesn't sound like it. Sure sounds like you're
a Kaitlyn Clark drinking the kool Aid mazi. You got
twenty seconds.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
I just I asked a group of my girlfriends who
aren't big sports athletes, I asked, who do you know
who judges Kaitlyn Clark. One responded, I know Caitlyn Clark,
the basketball player. I assume Aaron Judge is an athlete.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Let's why don't you pull some people in Jamoine, Iowa
see what they think? Please carry you out. I'm dan
by a ORRINGK for Cavino and Rich. We'll continue this
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