February 17, 2025 • 37 mins
Dan and Monse in for C&R as they discuss Kevin Durant's message to fans coming off of an unpopular All-Star weekend in the NBA. Dan and Monse talk about the Kendrick Lamar performance at the Super Bowl as it is still one of the most shared things on social media eight days later.
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All Star Game. Nope, not at all. And if you
don't believe me, no, if you don't believe Moncey, if
you don't believe Isaiglowin Crown is at the news desk,
or Jason Stewart, who's our executive producer, or Iowa Sam
who's hanging out as our technical producer, you have to
believe Kevin Durant. Because Kevin Durant is taking to social
media posting on X and I'm quoting, I think it's
(01:57):
more fun to complain about the NBA than to actually
watch it. Crazy, cancel All Star weekend and let's just
give everybody a break since we're so miserable around this time.
That from Kevin Durant five point three million impressions, one
hundred and five thousand loves on X retweeted more than
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eight thousand times, comments approaching five thousand. Kevin Durant four
hours ago, by the way, four hours, so there's still
a lot of time the polls are still open. To
respond to this Kevin Durant tweet, it's more fun to
complain about the NBA than to actually watch it. I
agree with that part for NBA Twitter only. NBA Twitter
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loves to deal with that stuff. They love to rank,
they love to go back and forth. It is a
dark place on social media at times. NBA Twitter can
be very, very frustrating. It is its own thing. I
think that is NBA Twitter. What the All Star Game is, Manzi,
is not NBA Twitter. What the All Star Game is
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supposed to be is not NBA Twitter. It's supposed to
be all encompassing. And if anybody's gonna watch anything, even
if they haven't watched the season so far, they're gonna
want to sit down and watch the NBA All Star Game.
And that's the problem is it is not bringing in
the casual fan. It is not bringing in the fan
who just exited and or was ejected from a football
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season and want something new or something different. That's who
I believe that the All Star Game is for. And
Kevin Durant is right that it's more fun to complain
about the NBA than watch it within NBA Twitter. But
some people just want to watch basketball and I have
fun and watch people compete, and that's what I think
is missing out.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, it's He's not wrong. It's like, yeah, just cancel it.
We agree with you, Kevin.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Just cancel it because it seems like you guys don't care.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And I agree with you. Dan.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
It's on Twitter that this is the discussion of complaining,
and as an as an NBA fan, I am complaining
because I had hopes for this new format that.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
They were trying out this year.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Because the biggest complaint is that over the last couple
of years, the level of competition amongst the best NBA.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Stars has gone out the window.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
It seems like they don't care, when at one point
they did care. At one point the All Star Game, yeah,
they they may have been scoring a lot up until
the fourth quarter, but it's gotten out of hand. When
you're reaching two hundred points, it's gotten out of hand.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
We always saw high scoring All Star games, but not
like that. And it's just disappointing that it's evident how
much the players kind of don't care, like they don't
want to be there, and if you don't want to.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Be there, trust me. We can see it on the screen.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
And it's disappointing because some of us really look for,
really used to look forward to the All Star.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Game, and I was one of them.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I didn't love last night's performance, but I can't say that.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I hate because it was a performance. It wasn't an
All Star.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
It's fair, fair enough. Draymond greenwait in though he wasn't
an All Star, but he was on the set for
T and T. These were his thoughts on what the
format was yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
You work all year to be an All Star and
you get to play up to forty and then you're done.
This is so unfair to Victor Winbyama, who just took
this game really seriously, Shay Gilges Alexander, who just took
this game really seriously. When you talk about chasing after
the points, wreckers mellow with Kobe and all these guys
who've had great staring Knights, they don't get the opportunity
to do that with this game. Also, we can watch
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some rising stars. We're about to watch the Olympic team.
Now we get to treat of watching the Olympic team
play against a U nineteen team, Come on, what are we.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Doing all of one to ten?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Your thoughts of the format.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Ten being the best?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yes, a zero sucks.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You didn't even give him an option. It was one
to ten, but he went to the zero to make
the point? Did one? Draymond Green? There's a lot within that, hmm. Because,
and this is where I disagree with Kevin Durant is
he's saying that people should just accept what they see
and like what they see, saying like, all right, if
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you guys don't like it, we'll just cancel it. Or
to what you're saying, try compete, make it a game.
Draymond bringing up the fact that we would sit there
and want a tally scoring records and follow who had
the most points in All Star games. It's not true
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at all. I have no idea who scored the most
points in All Star Games, none whatsoever. But I can
tell you this, when a game has two hundred points
in it by one team like last year, that is
not the equivalent to what you had thirty and forty
years ago. So don't try to tell me that the
games are being the same. So when you're talking about
scoring records, yeah, it's pretty easy to score when no
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one plays defense whatsoever. So that doesn't even matter to me.
And the funny thing about it is is the players
that he mentioned as being players who cared about the
game yesterday were Victor Webbin Yama and shay Gilgess Alexander
younger players in the NBA. Well, what about Draymond, what
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about Kevin Durant, what about Lebron James? That whole generation
has dropped the ball. And if you don't believe Mancy,
if you don't believe me, listen to Charles Barkley.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
I'm about disagree with Draymond a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
You know.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I use the analogy like when your kids mess up
the house, you make them cleaning up and they complain,
and they messed the game up. That's why we're trying
to come a cot this stuff out here right now.
So his generation messed the game up, so they'll act
like he's mad that they trying to use rookies and
are we doing every type of trick to make this
weekend exciting.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
He's not wrong, he is not wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
And what Draymond said there are several real layers to it.
But yes, Draymond, you are part of the problem with
your class of NBA stars.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
You know, when I'm thinking classes like senior years.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Junior, right, your class definitely had a big hand in
taking this event.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Not so seriously, I look at when we see videos.
Who's the last person that you think of that cared
about the All Star Game that you can remember that
cared about the All Star Game?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I was trying that's I feel like it's very obvious
for everyone, but I was trying to think of someone
else too that was maybe a little bit more recent,
but probably Kobe Bryant. Yes, he I loved when he
played defense on Lebron every single time, every single.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Time Kobe had his nose broken.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
In an All Star game.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yes, and played somewhat recently. Yes, And for some reason
that didn't translate. And I don't know if it's Dwayne. Wade,
by the way, was the one who broke his nose,
So Dwayne's a part of that generation. But it it
didn't didn't go over to Lebron. It didn't translate to
Kevin Durant. It didn't translate to those players carrying that torch.
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So imagine walking into an All Star Game where it
is a scene it is a social scene, just like
you would at any party. If you're invited behind the
velvet rope, you want to act like you belong there. Yep.
So the last thing that you would do if you
were a first time or second time or third time
All Star and you see Lebron James not carrying and
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Kevin Durant not carrying and playing defense, is well, I'm
not going to start to play defense, right.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
And also, you don't want to ruffle feathers, right, Like
if you're a first time All Star, you don't want
to go against the grain of what they've settled for
the last several years. Like you don't want to be
that guy out there trying to be different because.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
You're afraid of what the seniors are going to say
to you.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yes, just like in high school, a freshman is not
going to disrupt the situation.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
They don't want to. They don't want they don't want
a target on.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Their like that. So then to your point, which I
think is a fair depiction of what we've got here.
Once these seniors and I am using air quotes, yes, right,
and juniors of that generation graduate, do the freshmen like
Victor wembin Yama and Shay Gilgess, Alexander Another, they're not
freshman freshman? Yes? Yes? Do they change the game. Do
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they change it back to actually caring?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I think they can.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
It's just not going to happen from one year to
the next. I think it's going to take a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It's not gonna happen when Kevin Durant's there. It's not
going to happen when Lebron James is there, Murphy's not there,
It's not going to happen when James Harden's there. It's
maybe it may not happen. You know, Steph Curry put
on a bit of a show last nights, the MVP
hit a half court three exciting moments in all of that.
But you know, maybe maybe it's up to Maybe it's
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up to Steph. Maybe Steph's a part of that junior
senior class and it's going to take a while. But
I do think, like when Kevin Durant tweets this, he
is talking about he is just completely not seeing the
forest through the trees, absolutely, and he's part of the problem.
The NBA needs to go away. Maybe these all stars
need to go away for it to be sufficient. I
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didn't like seeing the Rising Stars Manzi, but they did
try last night. Yeah, and I did see people on
Twitter saying the Rising Stars are the only ones who
are actually hustling out there.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
They are there, and it was just disappointing because there
was a moment when the Global Stars lost Alpa and
Shangoon didn't even try to stop the last bucket and
you saw Vic throwing Banyama throw his hands up like
what are we doing there?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
There are you?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
It's very evidence some of them care, but it's all
the young guys who don't have enough power to change it.
But he literally threw his hands up as the minute
the Global Stars got eliminated.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
There's going to You're gonna need an alpha to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You're gonna need an alpha, and we don't have one, right.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Not that would make the change, that would make.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
It in the in the in the under no more.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I thought, like could like who has kind of gone
against the norm is Yannis And I don't know if
if if I don't consider Yanis a part of the
Lebron Durant even Steph Curry generation, I consider him almost
maybe maybe a sophomore use your thing. But Giannis has
been one who has also kind of been bucking the trend.
(12:29):
No pun intended on his decisions with what he's done
and what he's played and things that he said, and
has a rivalry with Chris Paul wants to fight him
on the court, like those sort of things. Now it's
everybody's giving hugs and dapping up. I'm curious if if
he would end up changing that, or because he's also
an international player, maybe you have more international influence with
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the Victor Webban Yama where you can pass that down.
I don't think Kevin Durant is wrong in saying that
the All Star Game needs to go away, a point
that you also made. Just one of the simple reason
is if it goes away, maybe we will crave it
once it comes back, Like it just needs to just
they just need to maybe go on a break, take a.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Little hiatus a couple of.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Years years, and that may be the best. Now there's
All Star Game scheduled already next year it's in la
and yeah to a dome, and then it's in Phoenix
in twenty twenty seven. But if we get two more
years of this and I didn't mind the last night,
it just it didn't give me another reason to tune
in like the actual play last night. You're right about
all the stoppages and everything that's happened. But I didn't
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mind the play last night. But it just didn't give
me any reason to want to go and watch it again.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
It was an awards show, it was not an NBA
All Star game. Three and a half hours and maybe
thirty minutes of actual game.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I know you had some numbers. I don't know if
you can track him down, Jason Stewart, our executive producers here.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, just I like your idea of maybe stopping for
a couple of years and having like a fast or
a cleanse. Yeah, just call it that. It's a cleanse weekend. No,
nothing happens, and then then when they come back, they
have like the new set of guys that could ticket serious. Now,
when you said that you wanted to unpack a lot
of what Draymond said. I thought you were referring to
this now. He said something at the end that was interesting.
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How's it go al of one to ten? Your thoughts
of the format ten being the best? Yes, let's zero sucks.
I like how Draymond wanted to clarify ten being best
for those rare situations when someone says to go one
to ten where ten is the worst, right and one
is the best.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I saw Justin Jefferson TikTok from Radio Row at the
Super Bowl and they asked him to rate his wide receiver,
the LSU wide receivers, and Odell I think, came up
and he said Odell three, and I'm like, okay, cool, cool,
I get that. And then he then then maybe it
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was like Brian Thomas came up and he had Brian
Thomas like one or two. You're like, wait a second.
They were saving him for the last. And then so
Justin Jefferson, I think, put himself at five and was
like five's the best. Right. It's the only time, to
Jason's point, that I had ever heard somebody misrepresent like
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an actual rankings. Yes, that was a rankings. This was
a grating. So they're opposite, but that's that's what yeah,
to the point of and maybe he did it for effect,
but yes, do you think he would have said eleven
if Lefko would have gave him the one is the best,
ten is the worst?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, he would have said eleven, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So the numbers, the numbers minutes.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Play minutes according to clutch Points, Instagram commercials and other
people have this as well. Commercials and breaks came out
to two hours and twenty six minutes, All Star Game
minutes thirty three minutes and forty one one seconds.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
What a waste of my time and.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Nobody got time for it.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Absolutely, and I don't dislike Kevin Hart. I love the
NBA on TNT guys, of course, but this isn't why
I'm watching the All Star Game.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I was shake Gil justs Alexander got so annoyed when
Kevin Hart. Also, why is Kevin Hart talking where the
players can hear him?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Like?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
What are we doing? I that took me a minute
to understand.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I was like, oh, the players can hear him on
the court as he's talking smack to them.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I was surprised that they got Kevin Hard to say.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yes, what are you talking about? He's the best agent
out there along.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
With shots just at the Super Bowl was seven days ago.
He was at the Super Bowl. Now he's at the
All Star Game. Now He's going to be on every
commercial until he shows up at another sporting event.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Like I just was, honestly, I think I'm so annoyed
and upset about it because I actually had hopes and
with drama. When I said there's a lot too unpacked,
I was gonna add I was like the fact that
an active player is talking smack on the product is
another conversation. Like the fact that he is comfortable doing
that just goes how much Adam Silver has no spine
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in this situation, Like, how are you allowing that now?
If you're not an active player, I think it's fair game.
But an active player saying that.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
No, Well, I wouldn't say Roger Goodell has a spine
because they formed Pro Bowl games either. I think that
they're at the mercy of what these players and honestly,
what their owners would want them to do. Your point
about expectations directly related to me was I didn't have expectations,
So that's why I think I didn't mind it as much.
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Halftime was a neat tribute to the Bay and Vogue
came out. Sure, So whenever halftime actually was, which I
think it was between the two games, and then there
was the championship game, and that there were more delays,
there's a lot going on. It's a different type of show.
It's not like the halftime show with the Super Bowl,
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but there are different elements. But there was just so
much stopping and starting. And you mentioned Sengoon of the Rockets.
I didn't even remember him in the game, and maybe
it was the championship game and all of a sudden
he got into the final two minutes. And I thought
to myself, that's your All Star experience. Like we feel
bad in Major League Baseball when someone doesn't play in
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the game because oh geez, and we saw what happen
when you try to get everybody into the game and
then you end up ending in a tie, and so
Major League Baseball tries to work around that. But you
think about the All Star weekend, and then I thought
to myself, is it about that? Is it about being
on the court, or is it about going to the
parties and hanging with all Stars for the week and
being at the practices. I still think being in the
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game and being in that game as a player would
have to mean something. It just unfortunately doesn't mean anything
the guys who have been there fourteen times, and I
think that's the problem to it. Maybe it's just a
right of passage for the Kevin Durantz and Lebron James
and whatnot. But if Draymond Green feels that Shay Gilles,
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Alexander and Victor womben Yama actually care, then maybe it
does need an exit for these other guys to you know,
leave stage left and allow these young guys to actually
put in competition, because it does ultimately fall in the players.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
I was thinking that as it was happening.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
If we're saying that all of basketball yesterday it was
thirty three minutes, that means that first game where it
was the Global Stars eliminated by.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The I'm pretty sure it was Chucking Kenny's teams. I
can't remember.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, right, So that first team that was eliminated, if
it was thirty three minutes for all of it, those
players played ninety seconds, you know, like And I was
thinking that because I feel like I was watching Trey Young,
what I like watching Trey Young, and I was like, man,
it's over for him.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
That's it. We saw him for two minutes.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, Like, what is it? Dalton Kennet got just as
much run as Jalen Brown, Jeff.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
It does much run. And that's not that that is
not a winning formula.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
This is just This is layers upon layers upon layers
of fixes. And that's the point where we got about it.
If you want to use the Oakino's portion of it,
if Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryant going at it. I
do know that there were fourth quarters in the NBA
All Star Game previously where you had pride and you
were playing defense. That's all this is. It's just it's
every single year, it's a new layer of something. Honestly,
(20:14):
you know what else, I also think hurts. I think
All Star Saturday isn't as good anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And so Mac McClung ends up quote unquote saving the day.
I'd love to have a Mac McClung discussion. Steve Zabin,
former host at Fox Sports Radio now hosting in Milwaukee
and across the state of Wisconsin, pointed out that McClung
kind of launches himself on his dunks by grabbing the basketball.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, you go out and do that.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Okay, move out and do that, which I would love.
That was separate discussion about. But the three other dunkers
leading up to it weren't grabbing the hype. And then
I heard people saying, you know what, Castle should have
won the dunk contest last night because all mac McClung
was doing was this and that. It's all negativity. There's
no excitement from it. Three point shootout was had drama
(21:03):
at the end, but there was no staff. Buddy Healed
represented you know, was I guess Warriors representation at that point.
But I think that when you have Victor wemen Yama
and Chris Paul also ditching this the competition, the skills competition,
and trying to figuring out a way to game the system,
it just set the whole weekend off on a bad note.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean, he's trying to you know, outsmart the system.
But what is Lebron doing?
Speaker 5 (21:28):
And that's okay, Like everyone's getting mad at Chris Paul
for doing that, but like Lebron, you literally decided an
hour before.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
The Yeah, but on a weekend where you complain that
nobody is trying or caring, they just completely throw basketballs.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
They're trying to do it as fast as they could,
because that was the point.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Of that first image of what All Star Weekend is.
And then you're like, wait, this is it. It just
seems like they've completely missed the message. Yeah, you're not wrong,
so that you don't have any hope that anybody else
would actually get the message, especially by the way, from
a senior like Chris Paul.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
You're not wrong, even though it's weird that they apparently
got the okay about it like they were, they got
the thumbs up that it was.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Okay to do that, and then they were disqualified.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Who would even think that? Like, she's Monty Belano, So
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Speaker 1 (22:34):
You're not alone if this song is been in your
head for the entire week, and I know it was
in the head of many for a long time. Welcome in,
Covino and Rich. I'm Dan Byer. She's Monty Blago's Cavino
and Rich. We're in for Dan Patrick earlier today on
Fox Sports Radio. I think we're a week removed from
the Kendrick Lamar. We are a week removed from the
Kendrick Lamar halftime performance. And I think this is the
(22:56):
perfect situation in the perfect example to show don't be
too quick to judge. Sure, can I reveal? Well, what
did you think of the halftime performance? Watching it during
Super Bowl fifty nine?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
I like Kendrick Lamar and I was, you know, like
like I was right now kind of dancing to his music,
bobbing my head. But I just don't think it translates
to a halftime show.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yes, really, I would say that was That was my
opinion being in the stadium, which was and people had
asked me what did you think of the halftime show?
And I said, I thought it was fine. I thought
that the setup was very elaborate. It took up a
big part of the field. There's a lot of movement,
but I didn't see the entire crowd getting into it,
(23:52):
so there wasn't a lot of crowd reaction. I came
back from New Orleans and spoke with Jason Stewart about it,
and Jason, I think, am I overreaching in saying that
you loved the performance from the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I did. I liked it. I did, And I will
say this too. My girlfriend Christanda, who's not a huge
Kendrick la Mar fan liked it for the performance. She
doesn't necessarily know the music. So that was my experience.
Now when I went online, I was just kind of
upset at how closed minded people are. I literally just
think people saw what it was that's foreign to me,
(24:27):
and it's the worst performance of all time, and it's
just like to me, I was hoping for more open mindedness,
kind of like you, Dan, maybe you want to take
a second look at it, maybe read up about some
of the symbolism and stuff. Maybe like it's art, so
maybe take an interest, be more curious.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
That's the problem with Twitter, and it even goes to
the NBA All Star Game where it's it's one or
the other, like nobody is okay with an in between discussion.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Because to say that it was the worst, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
It wasn't, but it wasn't my favorite, even though I
did think the dancer, the choreography there was the entire
thing was choreographed, and that was impressive from top to bottom,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
And that was impressive, But still I don't think it
translates to a Super Bowl show. But I didn't think
it was the worst. I don't think, but it was
either the worst or the best. That were the only options.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I understand that I was in the minority because of
seeing it in person. There's only seventy thousand of us
that saw it in person, where there was one hundred
million people that saw it live. That's where I made
a mistake in judging it, and it's because I could
only give you my experience. But as Jason alluded to,
(25:36):
I went back and watched it last week. I went
to YouTube, brought it up how does this translate? And
it made a lot more sense. It was a much
better watch, and the Samuel Jackson stuff ended up working through.
But it all leads to this other point. Actually, it's
two points. For as much of a show that I
(25:58):
thought it was better seeing it for TV, which is
what his intentions were, there is still only one song
people are singing from it. Yeah, so we have thirteen
or fourteen minutes from it, and it's the ninety seconds
of the Drake distrack. They not like us yeah in that.
(26:19):
But it has resonated so much that it still is
all over my TikTok algorithm. I still see tweets about it,
and so when I talk about judging a performance, I
don't want to say that it wasn't for me because
I'm also into the song. I'm not a huge Kendrick
Lamar fan, so the other hits I didn't know. I
(26:41):
love the song Stars with him and Sissa. I love
that song. There was only twenty seconds of it during
the performance, which was disappointing to me. Actually have it
on my phone. I'm like, all right, finally they're doing it.
So I recorded it and then it just ended and
they moved on. So I didn't necessarily know all the tracks.
But to Jason's point, and I think a point at
law Arches and Manti, you hit it as well, it's
(27:02):
either this or that. After a week, I think you
have a much better appreciation of it. I don't know
if it's the greatest one that I saw, but for
anybody saying that it was bad and it was awful,
I think they missed the mark. I think that when
you see the levels that it's taken, and maybe this
is new because of what it's done on social media,
we're talking about it a week later, I think those
(27:24):
are the lasting things from it that you have to
take away. So I almost felt bad about my description,
but honestly, my description was my description. It didn't translate
it the supernome right, it didn't.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
And you've seen so many halftime shows that your opinion
was based on experience, not just oh this is what
I thought today. I texted you during the halftime show
and I was like, I wouldn't be bothering you if
this game wasn't over.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
But it's over. How is a halftime show.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Because it doesn't seem to translate and I don't. I again,
I was there singing along. I do know a lot
of Kendricks, I have them on my phone, but it.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Just was like, I don't I don't think this is it.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I don't know if it's because I feel like there
needs to be a song where it's like everyone together
joins in a little bit of camaraderie one moment.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And I don't know if we got that moment at all.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
We did a week later, A week later, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But I don't think Kendrick wanted you to have that.
I think that he's such an artist and he works
on a deep level and he was going to perform
his art for those who got it, and if you
didn't get it, I don't think he really cares. And
he didn't want to deliver that big hit. I don't
even know if he has a really big hit tip
for everyone to sing along to. But I remember, Dan,
you were also put off last week. In the first
(28:37):
forty eight hours, there was this annoying thing online where
people who really got it and loved it like talk
down their nose to people who didn't. Yes, like this
is the greatest thing ever. You guys just don't get it,
and that's annoying. I was not in that camp. I
told I didn't completely understand it, but I will say this,
It's kind of like a conversation Doug Gottlieb and I
(28:59):
had about a couple of years ago. I didn't think
it was like Oscar worthy. I didn't think it was
the best picture worthy. I'm kind of a film snob.
Doug is not. Doug is very unsophisticated when it comes
to films. He submitted that to me, but he's like,
but I loved it. People loved it, and like, I
think that's the when you talk about a Super Bowl
audience and it's not translating. They're more the top gun audience.
(29:22):
They want to be there. It's a little bit more.
They want a simple thing to be entertained by. They
don't want to sit through something they have to think about,
especially if there are dark tones.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
You you are not wrong, but at home, right, you
don't want to think about it because you might be
getting up to get a drink to I got another
slice of pizza, Like you want to get the message across,
and I get that, but it still won't necessarily translate
on TV in that moment because a lot hardly ever
am I sitting the entire time, except when it was
Beyonce a couple of years ago, then I sat the
(29:52):
whole time. Shakira j Lo is not the whole time,
but typically during AF time, like I'll start it and
then I will get up and get another refer rush
meant get another snack. I may use the rushroom because
I also like the commercials, Like there's no opportune time
to like do any of those things.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I sorry to interrupt, but you mentioned the Shakira Jennifer Lopez,
and again my experience is at the stadium. It's one
of them that I point to because I have not
seen a crowd react to actually what is happening so
much with that performance because they recognized the realness of Shakira. Yeah,
(30:28):
and they recognized what felt to be fakeness of Jennifer Lopez.
The response to when Shakiro would do her part was
off the charts, and the energy completely shifted when j
LO would do her thing. And then when Shakira, like
it was within the stadium you are feeling this. You
didn't have that feel because there's only one artist, so
(30:49):
there's not going back and forth, but you feel things
when you're at stadiums, and that was one of them
that that I felt.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I love that, Go Shakita.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
And it's crazy that you're saying it was in and
out because at that time, I feel like JLO today
is really disliked.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I actually do think that today.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Right at that time, I didn't think she was disliked
like that, but clearly no.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
But yeah, you're right. But that's the natural aspect of
it is because of Shakira's power and how much she
was liked, it paled in comparison to what people actually
liked about Jennifer Lopez.
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(31:57):
this Kendrick Lamar thing is still going going on. That's
why I feel like we can still talk about it
because of the life that it had on social media.
Preller Forever sweets In sent in two of them, and
I'll paraphrase. A Super Bowl halftime show should not require
an open mind to enjoy it. It should just be
entertaining and you want the halftime show to be fun,
(32:18):
to be a party. I get that, and that's but
that's also his opinion on it. If there is a
point for a social message, maybe that's someone else's opinion.
We always say this with music, you're not going to
make everyone happy, so there's no point in doing this.
But the point that I wanted to make and why
I held it over here is because I think it's
(32:40):
very important, is I never? I completely underestimated the value
of the performance and how it would live on through
social media. I laughed at the tiktoks that would show
the fifteen year old sitting on the couch going along
with the beat and bobbing their head, and then their
father sitting next to them with this blank stare looking
(33:02):
at it, seeing the seventy five year old grandpa watching
it not understanding while those grandkids are all dancing to it.
That's very funny to me. I get a kick out
of it. But I see how it translates, and I
see now, people I showed you the Full House one.
Someone took my song and get it to the Stephanie
(33:22):
Tanner dance theme from an episode of Full House.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
When She's Little, which is little, and.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's just hilarious to see people doing it at work
at their car dealership, walking in doing the Kendrick Lamar.
All of that is funny and there is value in that,
but also in saying it when you're talking about the
performance again, they're only doing it to one song. They're
only doing it to the song that played for ninety
seconds and two minutes, and because it is such a
(33:50):
popular song. I get it's the biggest hit of the
hit of the hit, but that's the sort of lasting
effect that you have to it. So I know you're
not supposed to sit on the fence in sports talk radio.
I'm not on the fence in either way, but I
can see both sides. I have more of an appreciation
once I saw it on TV as opposed to being there,
so I could see why people don't like it, but
(34:12):
I also completely appreciate the lasting effect that it's had
eight days after the fact.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I feel like this is one of those situations where.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You can sit on the fence and it can be
gray because I'm with you as well, Like if you
say it was boring, okay, sure, I guess it was boring,
but I also I'm like, I don't think it was
the best performance, but I enjoyed it. I feel like
it's a It's the reason why the discussion keeps going though,
because there is so much in between to it.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
We were not having this discussion last year with Usher
No No.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I think we talked about it one time and then
we moved on Yeah, and that was it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
That's it, And all I remember is like, how sweaty.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
He was Rihanna was pregnant, and we didn't talk about
it this long.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
And I really liked Rihanna's performance and a lot of
people didn't. And what I liked about it was I
thought they they've found a way to not just use
the fields on the ground, but she had those elevated
platforms that kind of took up a bunch of space,
which I thought looked cool on TV.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
You know, I was into it, but she a lot
of people were like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Jason Stewart, I just I dare people to be curious.
If you're listening to this and you just dismissed it
right away, I dare you to do like five minutes
of Google searching on this, and not because of the reasons.
Dan just pointed out where all the memes and all
this stuff I'm talking about, like to like maybe find
out what the performance was about and kind of dive
into it. I guarantee you'll appreciate it more, and you'll
(35:42):
appreciate like one of the greatest artists of our time.
And I don't say that lightly. I truly do appreciate him.
Even though you couldn't stand it after one second of
a beat at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
I don't disagree with what you're saying, Like, if you
have a moment, look into it.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
But is that what you want out of a halftime
show at the.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Superno, you do, you know, but I do encourage people.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
And you're so right, you're so right about that. But
I think that's what people are saying. It's like I
don't want to think, I want to just you.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Know, they want the escape.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
They want the escape in that moment, and you know
it's there's no right or wrong, it's just your preference,
like you said, Dan, But I think this is a
very great topic, Like I get it in.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
One on social media and it's not being played on TV.
But I think in social media, in that world that
it continues hilarious.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
No, no, it's not in mind.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
But the video you show me today was hilarious. Please
show it to me phone, Algoritha, give it to me, Glamar.
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how rude? Cut it out? It game? And they not
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(01:33):
All Star Game. Nope, not at all. And if you
don't believe me, no, if you don't believe Moncey, if
you don't believe Isaiglowin Crown is at the news desk,
or Jason Stewart, who's our executive producer, or Iowa Sam
who's hanging out as our technical producer, you have to
believe Kevin Durant. Because Kevin Durant is taking to social
media posting on X and I'm quoting, I think it's
(01:57):
more fun to complain about the NBA than to actually
watch it. Crazy, cancel All Star weekend and let's just
give everybody a break since we're so miserable around this time.
That from Kevin Durant five point three million impressions, one
hundred and five thousand loves on X retweeted more than
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eight thousand times, comments approaching five thousand. Kevin Durant four
hours ago, by the way, four hours, so there's still
a lot of time the polls are still open. To
respond to this Kevin Durant tweet, it's more fun to
complain about the NBA than to actually watch it. I
agree with that part for NBA Twitter only. NBA Twitter
(02:41):
loves to deal with that stuff. They love to rank,
they love to go back and forth. It is a
dark place on social media at times. NBA Twitter can
be very, very frustrating. It is its own thing. I
think that is NBA Twitter. What the All Star Game is, Manzi,
is not NBA Twitter. What the All Star Game is
(03:01):
supposed to be is not NBA Twitter. It's supposed to
be all encompassing. And if anybody's gonna watch anything, even
if they haven't watched the season so far, they're gonna
want to sit down and watch the NBA All Star Game.
And that's the problem is it is not bringing in
the casual fan. It is not bringing in the fan
who just exited and or was ejected from a football
(03:23):
season and want something new or something different. That's who
I believe that the All Star Game is for. And
Kevin Durant is right that it's more fun to complain
about the NBA than watch it within NBA Twitter. But
some people just want to watch basketball and I have
fun and watch people compete, and that's what I think
is missing out.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, it's He's not wrong. It's like, yeah, just cancel it.
We agree with you, Kevin.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
Just cancel it because it seems like you guys don't care.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
And I agree with you. Dan.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
It's on Twitter that this is the discussion of complaining,
and as an as an NBA fan, I am complaining
because I had hopes for this new format that.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
They were trying out this year.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Because the biggest complaint is that over the last couple
of years, the level of competition amongst the best NBA.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Stars has gone out the window.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
It seems like they don't care, when at one point
they did care. At one point the All Star Game, yeah,
they they may have been scoring a lot up until
the fourth quarter, but it's gotten out of hand. When
you're reaching two hundred points, it's gotten out of hand.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
We always saw high scoring All Star games, but not
like that. And it's just disappointing that it's evident how
much the players kind of don't care, like they don't
want to be there, and if you don't want to.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Be there, trust me. We can see it on the screen.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
And it's disappointing because some of us really look for,
really used to look forward to the All Star.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Game, and I was one of them.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I didn't love last night's performance, but I can't say that.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
I hate because it was a performance. It wasn't an
All Star.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
It's fair, fair enough. Draymond greenwait in though he wasn't
an All Star, but he was on the set for
T and T. These were his thoughts on what the
format was yesterday.
Speaker 6 (05:11):
You work all year to be an All Star and
you get to play up to forty and then you're done.
This is so unfair to Victor Winbyama, who just took
this game really seriously, Shay Gilges Alexander, who just took
this game really seriously. When you talk about chasing after
the points, wreckers mellow with Kobe and all these guys
who've had great staring Knights, they don't get the opportunity
to do that with this game. Also, we can watch
(05:34):
some rising stars. We're about to watch the Olympic team.
Now we get to treat of watching the Olympic team
play against a U nineteen team, Come on, what are we.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Doing all of one to ten?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Your thoughts of the format.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Ten being the best?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Yes, a zero sucks.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
You didn't even give him an option. It was one
to ten, but he went to the zero to make
the point? Did one? Draymond Green? There's a lot within that, hmm. Because,
and this is where I disagree with Kevin Durant is
he's saying that people should just accept what they see
and like what they see, saying like, all right, if
(06:13):
you guys don't like it, we'll just cancel it. Or
to what you're saying, try compete, make it a game.
Draymond bringing up the fact that we would sit there
and want a tally scoring records and follow who had
the most points in All Star games. It's not true
(06:33):
at all. I have no idea who scored the most
points in All Star Games, none whatsoever. But I can
tell you this, when a game has two hundred points
in it by one team like last year, that is
not the equivalent to what you had thirty and forty
years ago. So don't try to tell me that the
games are being the same. So when you're talking about
scoring records, yeah, it's pretty easy to score when no
(06:54):
one plays defense whatsoever. So that doesn't even matter to me.
And the funny thing about it is is the players
that he mentioned as being players who cared about the
game yesterday were Victor Webbin Yama and shay Gilgess Alexander
younger players in the NBA. Well, what about Draymond, what
(07:14):
about Kevin Durant, what about Lebron James? That whole generation
has dropped the ball. And if you don't believe Mancy,
if you don't believe me, listen to Charles Barkley.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
I'm about disagree with Draymond a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:28):
You know.
Speaker 7 (07:28):
I use the analogy like when your kids mess up
the house, you make them cleaning up and they complain,
and they messed the game up. That's why we're trying
to come a cot this stuff out here right now.
So his generation messed the game up, so they'll act
like he's mad that they trying to use rookies and
are we doing every type of trick to make this
weekend exciting.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
He's not wrong, he is not wrong.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
And what Draymond said there are several real layers to it.
But yes, Draymond, you are part of the problem with
your class of NBA stars.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
You know, when I'm thinking classes like senior years.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Junior, right, your class definitely had a big hand in
taking this event.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Not so seriously, I look at when we see videos.
Who's the last person that you think of that cared
about the All Star Game that you can remember that
cared about the All Star Game?
Speaker 4 (08:29):
Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
I was trying that's I feel like it's very obvious
for everyone, but I was trying to think of someone
else too that was maybe a little bit more recent,
but probably Kobe Bryant. Yes, he I loved when he
played defense on Lebron every single time, every single.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Time Kobe had his nose broken.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
In an All Star game.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yes, and played somewhat recently. Yes, And for some reason
that didn't translate. And I don't know if it's Dwayne. Wade,
by the way, was the one who broke his nose,
So Dwayne's a part of that generation. But it it
didn't didn't go over to Lebron. It didn't translate to
Kevin Durant. It didn't translate to those players carrying that torch.
(09:09):
So imagine walking into an All Star Game where it
is a scene it is a social scene, just like
you would at any party. If you're invited behind the
velvet rope, you want to act like you belong there. Yep.
So the last thing that you would do if you
were a first time or second time or third time
All Star and you see Lebron James not carrying and
(09:30):
Kevin Durant not carrying and playing defense, is well, I'm
not going to start to play defense, right.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
And also, you don't want to ruffle feathers, right, Like
if you're a first time All Star, you don't want
to go against the grain of what they've settled for
the last several years. Like you don't want to be
that guy out there trying to be different because.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
You're afraid of what the seniors are going to say
to you.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yes, just like in high school, a freshman is not
going to disrupt the situation.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
They don't want to. They don't want they don't want
a target on.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Their like that. So then to your point, which I
think is a fair depiction of what we've got here.
Once these seniors and I am using air quotes, yes, right,
and juniors of that generation graduate, do the freshmen like
Victor wembin Yama and Shay Gilgess, Alexander Another, they're not
freshman freshman? Yes? Yes? Do they change the game. Do
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they change it back to actually caring?
Speaker 4 (10:27):
I think they can.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
It's just not going to happen from one year to
the next. I think it's going to take a little bit.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
It's not gonna happen when Kevin Durant's there. It's not
going to happen when Lebron James is there, Murphy's not there,
It's not going to happen when James Harden's there. It's
maybe it may not happen. You know, Steph Curry put
on a bit of a show last nights, the MVP
hit a half court three exciting moments in all of that.
But you know, maybe maybe it's up to Maybe it's
(10:56):
up to Steph. Maybe Steph's a part of that junior
senior class and it's going to take a while. But
I do think, like when Kevin Durant tweets this, he
is talking about he is just completely not seeing the
forest through the trees, absolutely, and he's part of the problem.
The NBA needs to go away. Maybe these all stars
need to go away for it to be sufficient. I
(11:16):
didn't like seeing the Rising Stars Manzi, but they did
try last night. Yeah, and I did see people on
Twitter saying the Rising Stars are the only ones who
are actually hustling out there.
Speaker 5 (11:25):
They are there, and it was just disappointing because there
was a moment when the Global Stars lost Alpa and
Shangoon didn't even try to stop the last bucket and
you saw Vic throwing Banyama throw his hands up like
what are we doing there?
Speaker 4 (11:42):
There are you?
Speaker 5 (11:43):
It's very evidence some of them care, but it's all
the young guys who don't have enough power to change it.
But he literally threw his hands up as the minute
the Global Stars got eliminated.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
There's going to You're gonna need an alpha to do it.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You're gonna need an alpha, and we don't have one, right.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Not that would make the change, that would make.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
It in the in the in the under no more.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I thought, like could like who has kind of gone
against the norm is Yannis And I don't know if
if if I don't consider Yanis a part of the
Lebron Durant even Steph Curry generation, I consider him almost
maybe maybe a sophomore use your thing. But Giannis has
been one who has also kind of been bucking the trend.
(12:29):
No pun intended on his decisions with what he's done
and what he's played and things that he said, and
has a rivalry with Chris Paul wants to fight him
on the court, like those sort of things. Now it's
everybody's giving hugs and dapping up. I'm curious if if
he would end up changing that, or because he's also
an international player, maybe you have more international influence with
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the Victor Webban Yama where you can pass that down.
I don't think Kevin Durant is wrong in saying that
the All Star Game needs to go away, a point
that you also made. Just one of the simple reason
is if it goes away, maybe we will crave it
once it comes back, Like it just needs to just
they just need to maybe go on a break, take a.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Little hiatus a couple of.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Years years, and that may be the best. Now there's
All Star Game scheduled already next year it's in la
and yeah to a dome, and then it's in Phoenix
in twenty twenty seven. But if we get two more
years of this and I didn't mind the last night,
it just it didn't give me another reason to tune
in like the actual play last night. You're right about
all the stoppages and everything that's happened. But I didn't
(13:30):
mind the play last night. But it just didn't give
me any reason to want to go and watch it again.
Speaker 5 (13:35):
It was an awards show, it was not an NBA
All Star game. Three and a half hours and maybe
thirty minutes of actual game.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
I know you had some numbers. I don't know if
you can track him down, Jason Stewart, our executive producers here.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, just I like your idea of maybe stopping for
a couple of years and having like a fast or
a cleanse. Yeah, just call it that. It's a cleanse weekend. No,
nothing happens, and then then when they come back, they
have like the new set of guys that could ticket serious. Now,
when you said that you wanted to unpack a lot
of what Draymond said. I thought you were referring to
this now. He said something at the end that was interesting.
(14:13):
How's it go al of one to ten? Your thoughts
of the format ten being the best? Yes, let's zero sucks.
I like how Draymond wanted to clarify ten being best
for those rare situations when someone says to go one
to ten where ten is the worst, right and one
is the best.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I saw Justin Jefferson TikTok from Radio Row at the
Super Bowl and they asked him to rate his wide receiver,
the LSU wide receivers, and Odell I think, came up
and he said Odell three, and I'm like, okay, cool, cool,
I get that. And then he then then maybe it
(14:55):
was like Brian Thomas came up and he had Brian
Thomas like one or two. You're like, wait a second.
They were saving him for the last. And then so
Justin Jefferson, I think, put himself at five and was
like five's the best. Right. It's the only time, to
Jason's point, that I had ever heard somebody misrepresent like
(15:17):
an actual rankings. Yes, that was a rankings. This was
a grating. So they're opposite, but that's that's what yeah,
to the point of and maybe he did it for effect,
but yes, do you think he would have said eleven
if Lefko would have gave him the one is the best,
ten is the worst?
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, he would have said eleven, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
So the numbers, the numbers minutes.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Play minutes according to clutch Points, Instagram commercials and other
people have this as well. Commercials and breaks came out
to two hours and twenty six minutes, All Star Game
minutes thirty three minutes and forty one one seconds.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
What a waste of my time and.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Nobody got time for it.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Absolutely, and I don't dislike Kevin Hart. I love the
NBA on TNT guys, of course, but this isn't why
I'm watching the All Star Game.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I was shake Gil justs Alexander got so annoyed when
Kevin Hart. Also, why is Kevin Hart talking where the
players can hear him?
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Like?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
What are we doing? I that took me a minute
to understand.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
I was like, oh, the players can hear him on
the court as he's talking smack to them.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I was surprised that they got Kevin Hard to say.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yes, what are you talking about? He's the best agent
out there along.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
With shots just at the Super Bowl was seven days ago.
He was at the Super Bowl. Now he's at the
All Star Game. Now He's going to be on every
commercial until he shows up at another sporting event.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Like I just was, honestly, I think I'm so annoyed
and upset about it because I actually had hopes and
with drama. When I said there's a lot too unpacked,
I was gonna add I was like the fact that
an active player is talking smack on the product is
another conversation. Like the fact that he is comfortable doing
that just goes how much Adam Silver has no spine
(17:06):
in this situation, Like, how are you allowing that now?
If you're not an active player, I think it's fair game.
But an active player saying that.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
No, Well, I wouldn't say Roger Goodell has a spine
because they formed Pro Bowl games either. I think that
they're at the mercy of what these players and honestly,
what their owners would want them to do. Your point
about expectations directly related to me was I didn't have expectations,
So that's why I think I didn't mind it as much.
(17:34):
Halftime was a neat tribute to the Bay and Vogue
came out. Sure, So whenever halftime actually was, which I
think it was between the two games, and then there
was the championship game, and that there were more delays,
there's a lot going on. It's a different type of show.
It's not like the halftime show with the Super Bowl,
(17:55):
but there are different elements. But there was just so
much stopping and starting. And you mentioned Sengoon of the Rockets.
I didn't even remember him in the game, and maybe
it was the championship game and all of a sudden
he got into the final two minutes. And I thought
to myself, that's your All Star experience. Like we feel
bad in Major League Baseball when someone doesn't play in
(18:15):
the game because oh geez, and we saw what happen
when you try to get everybody into the game and
then you end up ending in a tie, and so
Major League Baseball tries to work around that. But you
think about the All Star weekend, and then I thought
to myself, is it about that? Is it about being
on the court, or is it about going to the
parties and hanging with all Stars for the week and
being at the practices. I still think being in the
(18:36):
game and being in that game as a player would
have to mean something. It just unfortunately doesn't mean anything
the guys who have been there fourteen times, and I
think that's the problem to it. Maybe it's just a
right of passage for the Kevin Durantz and Lebron James
and whatnot. But if Draymond Green feels that Shay Gilles,
(18:58):
Alexander and Victor womben Yama actually care, then maybe it
does need an exit for these other guys to you know,
leave stage left and allow these young guys to actually
put in competition, because it does ultimately fall in the players.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
I was thinking that as it was happening.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
If we're saying that all of basketball yesterday it was
thirty three minutes, that means that first game where it
was the Global Stars eliminated by.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The I'm pretty sure it was Chucking Kenny's teams. I
can't remember.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Yeah, right, So that first team that was eliminated, if
it was thirty three minutes for all of it, those
players played ninety seconds, you know, like And I was
thinking that because I feel like I was watching Trey Young,
what I like watching Trey Young, and I was like, man,
it's over for him.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
That's it. We saw him for two minutes.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, Like, what is it? Dalton Kennet got just as
much run as Jalen Brown, Jeff.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
It does much run. And that's not that that is
not a winning formula.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
This is just This is layers upon layers upon layers
of fixes. And that's the point where we got about it.
If you want to use the Oakino's portion of it,
if Dwayne Wade and Kobe Bryant going at it. I
do know that there were fourth quarters in the NBA
All Star Game previously where you had pride and you
were playing defense. That's all this is. It's just it's
every single year, it's a new layer of something. Honestly,
(20:14):
you know what else, I also think hurts. I think
All Star Saturday isn't as good anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
It's not.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And so Mac McClung ends up quote unquote saving the day.
I'd love to have a Mac McClung discussion. Steve Zabin,
former host at Fox Sports Radio now hosting in Milwaukee
and across the state of Wisconsin, pointed out that McClung
kind of launches himself on his dunks by grabbing the basketball.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
Yeah, you go out and do that.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Okay, move out and do that, which I would love.
That was separate discussion about. But the three other dunkers
leading up to it weren't grabbing the hype. And then
I heard people saying, you know what, Castle should have
won the dunk contest last night because all mac McClung
was doing was this and that. It's all negativity. There's
no excitement from it. Three point shootout was had drama
(21:03):
at the end, but there was no staff. Buddy Healed
represented you know, was I guess Warriors representation at that point.
But I think that when you have Victor wemen Yama
and Chris Paul also ditching this the competition, the skills competition,
and trying to figuring out a way to game the system,
it just set the whole weekend off on a bad note.
Speaker 4 (21:22):
I mean, he's trying to you know, outsmart the system.
But what is Lebron doing?
Speaker 5 (21:28):
And that's okay, Like everyone's getting mad at Chris Paul
for doing that, but like Lebron, you literally decided an
hour before.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
The Yeah, but on a weekend where you complain that
nobody is trying or caring, they just completely throw basketballs.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Right.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
They're trying to do it as fast as they could,
because that was the point.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Of that first image of what All Star Weekend is.
And then you're like, wait, this is it. It just
seems like they've completely missed the message. Yeah, you're not wrong,
so that you don't have any hope that anybody else
would actually get the message, especially by the way, from
a senior like Chris Paul.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
You're not wrong, even though it's weird that they apparently
got the okay about it like they were, they got
the thumbs up that it was.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
Okay to do that, and then they were disqualified.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Who would even think that? Like, she's Monty Belano, So
I'm Dan Bayer. Jason Stewart's here, Iowa Sam is here
as well.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
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Speaker 1 (22:34):
You're not alone if this song is been in your
head for the entire week, and I know it was
in the head of many for a long time. Welcome in,
Covino and Rich. I'm Dan Byer. She's Monty Blago's Cavino
and Rich. We're in for Dan Patrick earlier today on
Fox Sports Radio. I think we're a week removed from
the Kendrick Lamar. We are a week removed from the
Kendrick Lamar halftime performance. And I think this is the
(22:56):
perfect situation in the perfect example to show don't be
too quick to judge. Sure, can I reveal? Well, what
did you think of the halftime performance? Watching it during
Super Bowl fifty nine?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
I like Kendrick Lamar and I was, you know, like
like I was right now kind of dancing to his music,
bobbing my head. But I just don't think it translates
to a halftime show.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
That's all.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yes, really, I would say that was That was my
opinion being in the stadium, which was and people had
asked me what did you think of the halftime show?
And I said, I thought it was fine. I thought
that the setup was very elaborate. It took up a
big part of the field. There's a lot of movement,
but I didn't see the entire crowd getting into it,
(23:52):
so there wasn't a lot of crowd reaction. I came
back from New Orleans and spoke with Jason Stewart about it,
and Jason, I think, am I overreaching in saying that
you loved the performance from the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (24:05):
I did. I liked it. I did, And I will
say this too. My girlfriend Christanda, who's not a huge
Kendrick la Mar fan liked it for the performance. She
doesn't necessarily know the music. So that was my experience.
Now when I went online, I was just kind of
upset at how closed minded people are. I literally just
think people saw what it was that's foreign to me,
(24:27):
and it's the worst performance of all time, and it's
just like to me, I was hoping for more open mindedness,
kind of like you, Dan, maybe you want to take
a second look at it, maybe read up about some
of the symbolism and stuff. Maybe like it's art, so
maybe take an interest, be more curious.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
That's the problem with Twitter, and it even goes to
the NBA All Star Game where it's it's one or
the other, like nobody is okay with an in between discussion.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Because to say that it was the worst, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
It wasn't, but it wasn't my favorite, even though I
did think the dancer, the choreography there was the entire
thing was choreographed, and that was impressive from top to bottom,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
And that was impressive, But still I don't think it
translates to a Super Bowl show. But I didn't think
it was the worst. I don't think, but it was
either the worst or the best. That were the only options.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
I understand that I was in the minority because of
seeing it in person. There's only seventy thousand of us
that saw it in person, where there was one hundred
million people that saw it live. That's where I made
a mistake in judging it, and it's because I could
only give you my experience. But as Jason alluded to,
(25:36):
I went back and watched it last week. I went
to YouTube, brought it up how does this translate? And
it made a lot more sense. It was a much
better watch, and the Samuel Jackson stuff ended up working through.
But it all leads to this other point. Actually, it's
two points. For as much of a show that I
(25:58):
thought it was better seeing it for TV, which is
what his intentions were, there is still only one song
people are singing from it. Yeah, so we have thirteen
or fourteen minutes from it, and it's the ninety seconds
of the Drake distrack. They not like us yeah in that.
(26:19):
But it has resonated so much that it still is
all over my TikTok algorithm. I still see tweets about it,
and so when I talk about judging a performance, I
don't want to say that it wasn't for me because
I'm also into the song. I'm not a huge Kendrick
Lamar fan, so the other hits I didn't know. I
(26:41):
love the song Stars with him and Sissa. I love
that song. There was only twenty seconds of it during
the performance, which was disappointing to me. Actually have it
on my phone. I'm like, all right, finally they're doing it.
So I recorded it and then it just ended and
they moved on. So I didn't necessarily know all the tracks.
But to Jason's point, and I think a point at
law Arches and Manti, you hit it as well, it's
(27:02):
either this or that. After a week, I think you
have a much better appreciation of it. I don't know
if it's the greatest one that I saw, but for
anybody saying that it was bad and it was awful,
I think they missed the mark. I think that when
you see the levels that it's taken, and maybe this
is new because of what it's done on social media,
we're talking about it a week later, I think those
(27:24):
are the lasting things from it that you have to
take away. So I almost felt bad about my description,
but honestly, my description was my description. It didn't translate
it the supernome right, it didn't.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
And you've seen so many halftime shows that your opinion
was based on experience, not just oh this is what
I thought today. I texted you during the halftime show
and I was like, I wouldn't be bothering you if
this game wasn't over.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
But it's over. How is a halftime show.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Because it doesn't seem to translate and I don't. I again,
I was there singing along. I do know a lot
of Kendricks, I have them on my phone, but it.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Just was like, I don't I don't think this is it.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
I don't know if it's because I feel like there
needs to be a song where it's like everyone together
joins in a little bit of camaraderie one moment.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
And I don't know if we got that moment at all.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
We did a week later, A week later, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But I don't think Kendrick wanted you to have that.
I think that he's such an artist and he works
on a deep level and he was going to perform
his art for those who got it, and if you
didn't get it, I don't think he really cares. And
he didn't want to deliver that big hit. I don't
even know if he has a really big hit tip
for everyone to sing along to. But I remember, Dan,
you were also put off last week. In the first
(28:37):
forty eight hours, there was this annoying thing online where
people who really got it and loved it like talk
down their nose to people who didn't. Yes, like this
is the greatest thing ever. You guys just don't get it,
and that's annoying. I was not in that camp. I
told I didn't completely understand it, but I will say this,
It's kind of like a conversation Doug Gottlieb and I
(28:59):
had about a couple of years ago. I didn't think
it was like Oscar worthy. I didn't think it was
the best picture worthy. I'm kind of a film snob.
Doug is not. Doug is very unsophisticated when it comes
to films. He submitted that to me, but he's like,
but I loved it. People loved it, and like, I
think that's the when you talk about a Super Bowl
audience and it's not translating. They're more the top gun audience.
(29:22):
They want to be there. It's a little bit more.
They want a simple thing to be entertained by. They
don't want to sit through something they have to think about,
especially if there are dark tones.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
You you are not wrong, but at home, right, you
don't want to think about it because you might be
getting up to get a drink to I got another
slice of pizza, Like you want to get the message across,
and I get that, but it still won't necessarily translate
on TV in that moment because a lot hardly ever
am I sitting the entire time, except when it was
Beyonce a couple of years ago, then I sat the
(29:52):
whole time. Shakira j Lo is not the whole time,
but typically during AF time, like I'll start it and
then I will get up and get another refer rush
meant get another snack. I may use the rushroom because
I also like the commercials, Like there's no opportune time
to like do any of those things.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I sorry to interrupt, but you mentioned the Shakira Jennifer Lopez,
and again my experience is at the stadium. It's one
of them that I point to because I have not
seen a crowd react to actually what is happening so
much with that performance because they recognized the realness of Shakira. Yeah,
(30:28):
and they recognized what felt to be fakeness of Jennifer Lopez.
The response to when Shakiro would do her part was
off the charts, and the energy completely shifted when j
LO would do her thing. And then when Shakira, like
it was within the stadium you are feeling this. You
didn't have that feel because there's only one artist, so
(30:49):
there's not going back and forth, but you feel things
when you're at stadiums, and that was one of them
that that I felt.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I love that, Go Shakita.
Speaker 5 (30:56):
And it's crazy that you're saying it was in and
out because at that time, I feel like JLO today
is really disliked.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
I actually do think that today.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Right at that time, I didn't think she was disliked
like that, but clearly no.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
But yeah, you're right. But that's the natural aspect of
it is because of Shakira's power and how much she
was liked, it paled in comparison to what people actually
liked about Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
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Speaker 1 (31:35):
Cavino and Ritch. Here on Fox Sports Radio, She's Monty Belano,
so I'm Dan byer in for the guys. We try
to always hit the top stories of the day, the
things that people are talking about, stuff that is going
on currently. I think that's the goals, at least our
goal here when you and I sit in for the
guys here on Fox Sports Radio, Manci, but I feel
(31:57):
this Kendrick Lamar thing is still going going on. That's
why I feel like we can still talk about it
because of the life that it had on social media.
Preller Forever sweets In sent in two of them, and
I'll paraphrase. A Super Bowl halftime show should not require
an open mind to enjoy it. It should just be
entertaining and you want the halftime show to be fun,
(32:18):
to be a party. I get that, and that's but
that's also his opinion on it. If there is a
point for a social message, maybe that's someone else's opinion.
We always say this with music, you're not going to
make everyone happy, so there's no point in doing this.
But the point that I wanted to make and why
I held it over here is because I think it's
(32:40):
very important, is I never? I completely underestimated the value
of the performance and how it would live on through
social media. I laughed at the tiktoks that would show
the fifteen year old sitting on the couch going along
with the beat and bobbing their head, and then their
father sitting next to them with this blank stare looking
(33:02):
at it, seeing the seventy five year old grandpa watching
it not understanding while those grandkids are all dancing to it.
That's very funny to me. I get a kick out
of it. But I see how it translates, and I
see now, people I showed you the Full House one.
Someone took my song and get it to the Stephanie
(33:22):
Tanner dance theme from an episode of Full House.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
When She's Little, which is little, and.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
It's just hilarious to see people doing it at work
at their car dealership, walking in doing the Kendrick Lamar.
All of that is funny and there is value in that,
but also in saying it when you're talking about the
performance again, they're only doing it to one song. They're
only doing it to the song that played for ninety
seconds and two minutes, and because it is such a
(33:50):
popular song. I get it's the biggest hit of the
hit of the hit, but that's the sort of lasting
effect that you have to it. So I know you're
not supposed to sit on the fence in sports talk radio.
I'm not on the fence in either way, but I
can see both sides. I have more of an appreciation
once I saw it on TV as opposed to being there,
so I could see why people don't like it, but
(34:12):
I also completely appreciate the lasting effect that it's had
eight days after the fact.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
I feel like this is one of those situations where.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
You can sit on the fence and it can be
gray because I'm with you as well, Like if you
say it was boring, okay, sure, I guess it was boring,
but I also I'm like, I don't think it was
the best performance, but I enjoyed it. I feel like
it's a It's the reason why the discussion keeps going though,
because there is so much in between to it.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
We were not having this discussion last year with Usher
No No.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I think we talked about it one time and then
we moved on Yeah, and that was it.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
That's it, And all I remember is like, how sweaty.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
He was Rihanna was pregnant, and we didn't talk about
it this long.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
And I really liked Rihanna's performance and a lot of
people didn't. And what I liked about it was I
thought they they've found a way to not just use
the fields on the ground, but she had those elevated
platforms that kind of took up a bunch of space,
which I thought looked cool on TV.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
You know, I was into it, but she a lot
of people were like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Jason Stewart, I just I dare people to be curious.
If you're listening to this and you just dismissed it
right away, I dare you to do like five minutes
of Google searching on this, and not because of the reasons.
Dan just pointed out where all the memes and all
this stuff I'm talking about, like to like maybe find
out what the performance was about and kind of dive
into it. I guarantee you'll appreciate it more, and you'll
(35:42):
appreciate like one of the greatest artists of our time.
And I don't say that lightly. I truly do appreciate him.
Even though you couldn't stand it after one second of
a beat at the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
I don't disagree with what you're saying, Like, if you
have a moment, look into it.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
But is that what you want out of a halftime
show at the.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Superno, you do, you know, but I do encourage people.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
And you're so right, you're so right about that. But
I think that's what people are saying. It's like I
don't want to think, I want to just you.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Know, they want the escape.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
They want the escape in that moment, and you know
it's there's no right or wrong, it's just your preference,
like you said, Dan, But I think this is a
very great topic, Like I get it in.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
One on social media and it's not being played on TV.
But I think in social media, in that world that
it continues hilarious.
Speaker 4 (36:28):
No, no, it's not in mind.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
But the video you show me today was hilarious. Please
show it to me phone, Algoritha, give it to me, Glamar.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
It's listening, Stephanie Tanner, DJ Tanner, Full House, come on phone,
how rude? Cut it out? It game? And they not
like us. Dude, I'm Dan Byer from the halftime show
to fifty Years of Greatness. It's going to be selling
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