July 18, 2024 • 40 mins
Dan Beyer and Kerry Rhodes, in for Covino & Rich, react to Tiger Woods' rough first round at The Open Championship and the news of Russell Westbrook being traded to the Nuggets, and the guys examine the legacies of the two athletes. Dabo Swinney needs to get with the times in college football. Plus, ESPN stole our idea!
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Well, I'll tell you what the the great Karate Kid movies. Yeah,
saw Danielson rise to the occasion? Yes that was not
the case. Or Tiger Woods today a completely different story.
But it allows me to talk golf, So I'm happy
about that. Let's go. Nickopis here. Ryan Berschinger, Iowa Sam
back from his vacation Iowa misses you already, Sam, I
(01:14):
don't miss the bug bites. I'm gonna tell you I
got you alive. I had a bermuda. I was in
Wisconsin the week before and a kid got sick halfway through.
But there was a time where we were outside. I
had a bermuda triangle of mosquito bites around my right ankle,
inside of my right ankle, just on the right side. Yes,
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right around that ankle and just it's so itchy. It's
the worst. I got one on my neck.
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They went from lower lower extremities to vampire and I
don't ever remember a time of getting one on my neck.
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And then my wife goes, is that a pimple? And
I'm like, no, it's a mosquito bite. And it was, Yeah,
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I'll tell you what. There's a lot of remedies that
you can use to get rid of the mosquitoes, but
the way that some of them have been biting in
the Midwest because it's been wet and soggy. There, Yeah,
some big ones to deal with. Iowa. Sam was able
to navigate that and we are glad that he is
with us. There is speaking of being back. Tiger Woods
is not back. Russell Westbrook is not going to be
(02:25):
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I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie
to you. Carry Tiger Woods allows me to talk about golf.
Rory McElroy sometimes can be a topic of conversation and
then a live PGA Tour conversation, But honestly, on the
grand scale of things, I'm not coming in today talking
(03:06):
about Shane Lowry shooting sixty six to lead the first
round of the Open Championship. Not many people care about that,
But I do think a lot of people care about
Tiger Woods. And with the news today that Russell Westbrook
is being traded again and as signing trade deal and
ultimately will end up in a Denver Nuggets uniform, according
to the reports. It has me thinking about legacies, and
(03:27):
I want to start with Tiger because Tiger's I guess
legacy was put into focus in comments made by Colin
Montgomery earlier this week where Colin Montgomery said, I watched
Tiger at the US Open, and I'm paraphrasing because Montgomery
said that his comments were taken out of context, but
they were harsh and and he's been a pretty good
analyst when he's not playing golf. Montgomery has and does
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speak his mind, sometimes maybe a little bit too much.
But the basic point Carrie was, Tiger didn't look like
he enjoyed hitting one shot at the US Open last month.
If you're not out there enjoying golf, why are you
playing golf? Because you're not going to enjoy playing in
the wind and rain at Royal Troon at the Open
Championship and tiger Woods today. An early birdie, but that
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was pretty much the only bright spot on a scorecard
that finished with a seventy nine plus eight, tied in
one hundred and thirty eighth place. They're only about fifteen
sixteen players that have fared worse than Tiger on this
round today. So when you start talking about legacies, I
feel like I'm a golf fan and I'm too close
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to it and try to look at different things. But
I feel that you're someone who's maybe more on the
Outskirts and Burschinger and Iowa Sam and Nick Cope as well.
What do you want to see from Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I want Tiger to not subject himself to this criticism
right now. This is the problem. When your superstars are
starting to are starting to decline, They're starting to not
be able to string together the performances that they're used
to putting out there. This is when it's hard to watch.
And as a fan of excellence, I'm not a super
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fan of golf, but a fan of excellence and seeing
what that looks like when it starts to dwindle down
and you and you're a shell of that as that
superstar person player that you were before. I would like
for them to retire early, then retire late. And so
I don't know the comments, the comments that were being
said by Colin, but just as an outside fan and
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the fan of excellence, I want to see those guys
be able to rest on that not what we're seeing now.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
We talk a lot about, you know, the Lake great
Willie Mays who recently just passed away, but his name,
it was always used of later on in his career,
what he was playing with the New York Mets of
Willie Mays, and the outfield just wasn't the same Willie
Mays that you remembered with the Giants. You know, Joe Namath,
not in a Jets uniform but in a Rams uniform
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is one that that we bring up of like it
just like those times and you talk about like faces
and weird uniforms. Jerry Rice was a name that was
always weird in other uniforms. But Jerry Rice was still
performing a great career with the Raiders and even caught
touchdown passes when he spent the little time that he
did with the with the Seattle Seahawks. But you don't
want to see your legends and your goats going and
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playing in a scenario or playing in an area where
they just don't feel like they belong. And I think
that the comments of people saying of what you're saying
is you're protecting your memories. You're protecting like in a
way like it feels like it's protecting Tiger's legacy. I
would say this in looking at what how we need
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to view Tiger Woods for the rest of his career,
I feel that he does want to play with his son, Charlie,
at least at some point, whether Charlie gets to that level.
I think that Tiger at some day would like to
tee it up in the same golf tournament as his son,
just like Lebron wants to play with Brody, and not
the exact same scenario, but at least the same desire
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to do so. I also think that there was a
rule that people may not have known that passed just
recently where the PGA Tours basically said the Tiger, here's
a lifetime achievement award. You are exempt in any of
our signature events for the rest of your career for
what you have done. You don't need to qualify, you
don't need to be in the top seventy to play
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in these events. You have an automatic spot if you
want to. That's really going to help Tiger, because Tiger's
then going to be able to play in events that
will allow him to tune up, say for a major
this is his fifth tournament this year. Three of the
four that he played in were other majors, Masters, PGA Championship,
in the US Open. You do not have your game
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at that point. So that's just the point that I
want to make for anybody who is just you know,
not wanting to see Tiger, thinks that he should hang
it up, give him a little bit more leeway, allow
him to play a full schedule. I think a lot
of his time has been dealt with the PGA Tour
and live stuff. But so have your expectations. And this
is kind of where I think Russell Westbrook comes into
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the picture as well. What Tiger could do for us
as golf fans is give us a weekend at some
point between now in the next five years where we
are again on the edge of our couch like we
were on the Masters four years ago and watching him
play and winning that green jacket. He's not gonna win
three more majors, but there may be there, just may
be a possibility where he is in contention in one
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of the weekends at a major, which will again give
us that feeling of youth, of exuberance. That's where your
expectation has to be You don't have to be mad
at Tiger because he shoots eight over power. You don't
have to say he retires. You just have to lower
your expectations and know that at some point there's gonna
be a weekend where guess what, Tiger's back for a
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little bit, and it's going to give us that flash
in the pan. And that's what I think that we
need to expect from him. I don't think we can
expect that from Russell Westbrook anymore, not that they're on
the same level of greatness, but in the move today
of the Clippers doing a sign in trade with the
Utah Jazz and then Westbrook eventually will be released by
the Jazz and go to the Denver Nuggets. Yeah, you
(09:10):
talk about legacy, Carrie. I thought that there was still
something worth with Russell Westbrook's legacy and where he's been.
But now this is to me the bad TV show
or the TV show that was great, like Growing Pains
was early, and then you add so many different characters,
or like The Office was when Steve Carrell left. You're
adding all these new faces and putting players in different
roles and it's just not the same. That's what I
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feel not with Russell Westbrook in his NBA career.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, Russell is an oddity as well at this point.
Obviously in his career now down to stretch, he's had
stops where he did not look like Russell Westbrook and
he did not help those teams. He wasn't the missing
piece to get those teams over the hump. And so
you know, even starting back with Oka, see you know
the teams they had early on with those guys, they
should at least won one. And I think that would
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have changed even the end of this tour for him
if you already had that ring early and he's bouncing
around now like it would be almost Carmelo is sure,
because I mean Carmelo is I think if you put
those two together, Carmelo and Russell Westbrook, who would you
say who's had the better career? Would you who would
you think had the better career of those? I would
say Westbrook. You'd say Westbrook because he got the the
(10:19):
the triple, the MVPs. Yeah, see, I would say I
would say Carmelo. And I believe Russell Westbrook accolades in
the stuff that he's done that was different for that
little two year stretch in ok See where he's doing
all the all the triple doubles and getting all the
MVPs and stuff. I think Carmelo in that situation or
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on a team like that, could have done the same thing.
I don't think the type of play or the things
that Russell Russe that Russell did during that triple double
stretch was it was, you know, his fight, his determination
as a player. But I don't think that's skill. I
think that's will, and so that's a difference. So like
better player, I would say Carmelo in my mind. And
so when I think of Russell, I think that stretch
(11:02):
that he had with Okay See was so brilliant that
I'm going to remember him for that, not the end
of this the stretch of his career, but I want
to remember him for that greatness of doing that, because
he did something that a lot of players couldn't do,
and that was played hard, and that's what I appreciate
the most about him.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Not to make this a Russell Westbrook versus Carmelo discussion,
but just to clarify, because I want I want to
make a point. Are you saying that you feel that
Carmelo's career was better or that Carmelo was just a
better player than Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I think Carmelo is a better player Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But career wise, if you were to take what they
did in their career, would you still say Carmelo is
better than what? Because I think that there's a lot
more than just Carmelo will get me a bucket? I know, absolutely,
But I also think that there's a part of Carmelo's career,
a big part of his career, where you're like, can
we get more out of this? Sure? Can we squeeze
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more out of this? And I don't. I don't know
if you could do that with Russell Westbrook. I almost
feel like everything was squeezed out almost too much for him.
So like I look at it and say, like I
could see the argument for better, better player thing like
I'll take Carmelo in a one on one situation or
score however, but better career I would still say I
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would I would lean towards Russell Westbrook's career finals appearance
the MVP. What went on?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, Westbrook was on better teams too, so like
get so getting those those end results were I mean
kind of whatever. You know, there was a big contribution there.
We forget about Carmelo early on in Denver, where he's
put up these numbers he should have been forc of
the Year. He also took that Denver Nuggets team to
the Western Conference Finals in a tough West which was crazy.
(12:49):
I mean he had oh no, OK, but I mean
he was the apple. He was the guy. So I
think people forget about that early part of his career.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
They do. But also with with Westbrook, Harden wasn't hard, yeah,
like you know, and Durant obviously like they were on
their way up. But just a point of like we
look at the threesome of Harden, Westbrook, and Durant and
I don't think they were the players in twenty twenty twelve.
Excuse me that they were in say twenty seventeen, five
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years later when Durant ends up leaves and goes to
the Warriors. But the point of Westbrook staying and I'm
curious what you got how you guys view Russ Westbrook
because I was even talking with Big Mike, who does
not run this place when I'm hosting the show. He
does not run this place. He's not even close to it.
In fact, Iowa Sam runs this place more than Big Mike.
(13:39):
When I am hosting this show, when I talked about
Westbrook's legacy, He's like, what legacy? You didn't even think
that there was one for him? And I think of
that when Durant left okc on what a gut punch
that was for that city and that organization that Russ
was there. Russ stayed there and became almost became the
(14:04):
de facto hero. Sure, and then you had the MVP.
And even just getting to us, say a seventh seed
in the West was good enough, because guess what, he's
the one that didn't leave. He stuck around and led
them and there may have been some you know, finagling
of numbers and on free throws, nobody would get the rebounds,
so he would get the rebound. Going back and looking
back at that, maybe some of those numbers were maybe
(14:27):
fudged a little bit because of those scenarios, But you
can't take away what he meant to Oklahoma City during
that time. And so now like that's what still sticks
with me for him. So now when I see him
on the Denver Nuggets, after being on the Clippers, after
being on the Lakers, after being on the Wizards, after
being on the rockets, that gets pushed further and further back.
We're in big mic again. Who does not run this
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place at all? The Oklahoma City tenure doesn't even now
register on his radar because it's been so long ago.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Doesn't you look at him as the guy who saved
OKAC for those two seasons?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Absolutely, yeah, I think I think that's a big part
of it. But now it's just now you're going to
Denver again, and we're gonna probably have the same thing
that happened with.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
The Clippers, you know, so I know, no, I agree
with I agree with that. I think the Denver, the
Denver stuff and just having the Clippers and the Lakers
and all these like random teams kind of be added
to your tenure at the end. It's it gets sad,
It gets in that same territory of what you say,
like for me as a tiger saying a tiger struggle
down to stretch. Here, it's we want to remember the greatness.
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We want to remember the good things and the beautiful
things that you did for the game of golf with Tiger,
with Russell for okay, see, and those things are starting
to become distant memories.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Tiger's going to continue to play, and I think Tiger's
going to give us some Tiger's gonna give us, I
think more high moments than Russell Westbrook will in his career.
From this point, from right here, from where were on,
you will get more. And maybe it's because Tiger is
beloved more. I think with every stop that Westbrook gone,
it's been now. Clippers fans may have a bad tape,
(16:03):
although maybe they shouldn't, you know, the Rockets fans maybe
the same case Lakers fans, and I didn't love his
tenure there. There's just it's it's it's I don't know
if it's the law of diminishing returns. I don't know
if that is apropos here, but there just seems to
be a little bit less and less. And now you're
in another uniform and the basketball reference page is going
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to just have jersey after jersey after jersey after jersey,
and the more you have of those, the more you
get away from what this guy meant to Oklahoma City
and what he meant to the thunder And for people
that wanted Tiger to retire, I know these guys are
getting millions upon millions to continue to play in the NBA.
But I mean, man, I you know, if Russell Westbrook
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would have stuck around in Oklahoma City and just say
retired after twenty twenty, that's that's his legacy that we're
looking back at and saying like that, he is mister
Oklahoma City. It didn't matter that they didn't go to
an NBA finals since twenty twelve. It didn't matter that
they didn't reach the Western Conference finals after KD left.
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It was that Westbrook stayed around and provided that. And
I think that has now changed.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, that's and that's it just kind of lends it's
that part, the Russell Westbrook part kind of lends the
conversation back to again, like when you're in a place
and you have a chance and you're actually orchestrating greatness
to start trying to hang on to that and cling
on to that and go, you know, other places and
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get shipped to places that you shouldn't be at in
the first place. I mean, the Lakers, number one, they
bring him in. He's a spot up shoot in the
corner you can't shoot sure, so like he's destined to
fail there. But if he stayed in his place. And okay,
see like you said and walked, you know, walked out
with that. That would have been a beautiful story. Okay,
I agree with the two questions to before we wrap
this up. Number one, what do you remember most about
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Carmelo Anthony's basketball career? What is the what is the
high point?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Since you brought him up in this discussion, Uh huh,
what is the high what is the the high watermark?
What he is going to be most remembered for in
his career.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
He'll be most remembered for his Olympic years.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Really, you think the Olympic years.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yes, he was really dynamic in the Olympic years and
he really showed how good he was as a player
during those teams. To see him be one of the
ones that would be so confident and you had you
had mellow Wade, Lebron, Kobe, all these guards, Chris Paul there, whatever,
and you didn't look at him as being low on
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the total pole in those games. I mean, we know
Lebron and Kobe were the yeah, quote unquote alphas, but
he was right there in the mix as well. And
that for me is what I remember the most about Carmela.
I go to Syracuse. I think I think his high
point was two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I I and as crazy as that is for how
much he was a fixture in the end n b
A and then in playing for the Knicks, I still
don't think it got it ever got as high as
it did.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It was really good. That was big, it was it
really was.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Anybody and Nick Cope, sports historian, what do you think
is Carmelo's high point in his career?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I tend to agree with you, Dan, because I just
was thinking about his pro career and I feel bad
saying a little bit, but I kind of just associate
Carmelo with not caring about winning that much in the
NBA when he got to That's just a vibe.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I god, sorry, yeah, no, he wanted to get his Yeah,
he always looked out of shape. Really, you're joking, right, like,
and there's a there's a and I doesn't look that
out of same to me because he doesn't. No, no, wait,
look like there were times where where it was where
in New York he was he was not the slender
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Carmelo that he was later on in his career. And
when you have that have that look, that.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Tends I think a good comp here, is Paul Pierce
right little?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Just body wise? Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I'm not wrong though in saying that Carmelo, I'm
not just It's not that he was fat, That's not
what it was. It was just he was a body
shape that you thought like, Okay, this could probably use
a little bit more time, either in the weight room
or with the diet. I just and when you look
at him later in his career, he slimmed down and
you're like saying, oh, you can do that, so now
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you will, but you didn't do it in those other years.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I mean think about also Dan Again, we talk about
the era he played in. It wasn't much physical brand
of basketball, so slimming down for him may not have
been ideal.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You are no West, I'm telling you, I'm going to
use that excuse at all. It's a much more physical rate.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But no, really, that's I mean when you look at it,
and then obviously as you get older, you do become
aware that you have to take care of your body
in a different way to be effective. And so I
could see the weight the weight loss real as you
are such a mellow Stan I have I am surprised.
I did not. I did not see that coming. Yeah, Mellow,
Mellow's okay, Mellow is a friend of mine, but I'm
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not saying I'm not saying any of this for that reason.
But I got to see him a lot, and I
was in New York as well, So I thought, did
I say anything that was out of turn?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No? I didn't think so.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I think it's all pretty fair game to come down
for sure. For sure, Uh, we'll have to wait for
a Tiger Wood's reappearance, likely in twenty twenty five. Tomorrow.
I'll probably be the last time we see him against
for a while, and you'll see him maybe in December
at his tournament that he puts on. But I would
expect him to play more events next year and then
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fare better in some of these majors. I'm telling you,
just believe me. He's gonna be He's going to be
exempt in most of these. He could play the Open Championship,
as he said, at least sixty. The Masters isn't gonna
kick him out. USGA just gave him an exemption to
the US Open. They probably won't do that year after
year after year, but there still will be a PG
eight championship that he'll he'll be playing in the fact
(22:15):
is there's going to be a weekend and not saying
he's gonna win it. I'm not saying he's gonna win it.
But there's going to be a weekend at some point
again in Tiger's career where he will be in contention
and it will get us all excited again. That should
be our expectation. We shouldn't be mad that he shot
eight over power. You should shoot eight over par. But
we've only played four events this season and you're going
overseas in playing in an open championship. That was expected.
(22:38):
If he shot even parwer that would be unexpected for me.
But I think that there will be a time at
some point in his career where we will see it again.
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and we did it, you know, in that form because
it was at the end of twenty twenty. Let's take
a look back see what we had athlete wise, and
we did a top twenty. We got ballots from hosts,
from anchors, from producers, from others, all at Fox Sports Radio.
(25:58):
I talented these up myself. Oh wow, and I was
really really impressed with the rankings. But our rankings three
years ago had this these five athletes in the top five.
Let me see if you have any problem with these,
and I'm going to do them in random mortar. Michael Pholps,
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would you have him with you? Did you have a
problem with him being in our top five athletes of
the last twenty plus years? No, Serena Williams, no Tom Brady,
no Lebron James, no Tiger Woods no. Okay, perfect, how
about these five names. Kobe Bryant No, I wouldn't have
(26:46):
a problem with it. Yeah, yeah, right, Usain Bolt no,
Roger Federer no Leo Messi.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It would be competition with that one, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And Floyd Mayweather No. So Floyd Mayweather didn't even make
their top twenty. Wow. For ESPN, they're five through one.
By the way, the last five they gave you were
are six through ten, so it's all very close. Our
five differs in this way. They had Michael Phelps one.
We had Tom Brady one. They had Serena two. We
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had Serena five. They had Leo Messi three. We had
him ninth. They had Lebron four. We had him second.
They had Tom Brady fifth, we had him number one.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I'm gonna throw somebody who I would say tops to
the whole list, and I know a lot of people
may not agree with that one, but he's in the top.
He would be considered the top five, I think in
most people's books regardless. And I'm going to say that's
Roger Federer. And I know a lot of people don't
wouldn't say that just because of not being a pure
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tennis fan or being able to catch enough of those
matches for them to really understand his greatness. But you
talk about a guy that won twenty Grand Slam titles,
won eight woman in titles, and you watch his game,
one of the most beautiful games for any kind of
pro athlete in the history, and how he changed and
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how he changed tennis and so dominant, dominant for so long.
And we talk about lamp here too. For tennis players,
they don't usually last that long. So to have the
greatness that he did and achieved over his career, I
would put him a number one.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
No, that's it's a strong point. I would say that
us having him at eight in our list three years
ago was I feel a sufficient ranking at that time,
and on seven spots lower than what you think. But
I would also say this, he was sixth in the
ESPN's list. I don't know if you can't say Novak
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Djokovic is better than he than Federer is, and they
have Djokovic eleventh. In our defense, we did ours three
years Agoatrick Mahomes is nowhere near this top twenty. Patrick
Mahomes didn't have what he had at that time. By
the way, Leo Messi didn't have a World Cup when
we ended up doing these rankings and now a Copa
America Championship, but he still was able to make it,
(29:12):
you know, into our top ten. He moved up to
number three for those But you know, in I think
the tennis gets overlooked. Yeah, sure, Serena was second in
ESPN's for for how dominant she was. But the thing
that I would say that would actually strengthen your point,
I don't I don't know how many women's tennis players
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were matching Serena time and time again, or some that came,
some that went, some that came, some that went, and
where Federer had to deal with Nadal for a decent
part of his career, yes, and then obviously had to
deal with Djokovic for a decent amount of his career.
You had, and.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Then the people he overtook at that time, Agasy and
rock Yeah there, you know, Andy Murray just the name,
you know. Again, like it was tougher to navigate the
men's tennis game at that time, uh than I really
think in any other era. So and that that's what's
actually going to be so difficult with tennis now, not
to make this a tennis conversation, but why I think
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Alcarez could could really be great is we need to
see those two or other three players come up and
challenge to it. Like it was Federer for a while
and then ny Doalandjokovic ended up coming up, and so
now you're going back and forth with those.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But it's good. It's difficult to replace three guys, I think,
just like we're seeing in the NFL where yeah, you're
you had to replace Tom Brady, but you also had
to replace Drew Brees. You also had to replace Peyton Manning.
You also had to replace Ben Roethlisberger. You also had
to replace Philip Rivers. Like, there's a lot. There's a
lot with that. I think we're still trying to do
that and Patrick Mahomes can only do so much. Yes, yeah,
(30:49):
it's and and maybe that's why we look at Josh
Allen and some of the other quarterbacks of the way
that we do. But like you're, you're not just having
one guy replaced your lacing a bunch of them. Yes,
they had Simone Biles seventh in this ranking. We had
her fourteenth. Yeah, and uh, I know Nick Cope is
(31:10):
with Doug Gottlieb previously, and Doug was not happy with
Simone Biles being ahead of Tiger Woods. We got a
tweet from someone that said, if Tiger isn't number one,
this ranking is ridiculous. Alex said, asenine was the way
that it was the term that he used. But all
I'm saying is this, it was our rankings that we
did three years ago, and ESPN's like, oh, let's just
(31:33):
let's do them again and stole it.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
And for you, I mean, I know it had to
like really hurt and really sting, because you're the one
that actually tallied this thing up and put a lot
of effort and time into this and then and then
they threw it out there three years along Summer twenty four,
go away, we got something Mark Shutter the Athlete of
the twenty first century, like did you?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Did you? People have to go through Rob Parker's list
and just shake your head at every suggestion that he
made with his ranking. I want to know his top
eight all Major League Baseball players. No, I'm kidding him.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
It was Sandy Kofat. He's not even in two thousands,
and it was I that that's Rob. Rob was gonna
throw out some some unique player that we would not
have known and it would have been a baseball legend.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Oh, by the way, baseball wise, they don't have anybody
in this uh in this top twenty. Yep, they had
zero baseball players in their Top twenty.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You got to go down to Albert Poolhole set twenty four.
That was their top baseball player.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Wow. We had Barry Bonds at nineteen and Mariano Rivera
at seventeen. Yeah, that's that was That was our baseball
reprie representative. And you know the thing about Bonds is
it's just a matter of you know, how he got
how he got to those and if those numbers are standing,
(33:03):
you know, I mean, he received enough votes to crack
our top twenty.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, how he got there? I don't think, Well it
matters in history history, I guess because he's not in
the Hall of Fame yet. But even before the the
amplified stuff, he was still one of the best players
in the world, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, we got we got another tweet from someone
because I retweeted our tweet that we sent out when
we had the full Top twenty released. Yeah, and someone
mentioned about our Sidney Crosby ranking. Shaner tweeted in the
fact that Crosby is twentieth on this list when he
plays the hardest sport is mind boggling. Wow, Here's I
(33:46):
would just say that they ESPN doesn't even have a
hockey player in the Top twenty if I'm correct? If
am I correct?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Nick Cope, Yeah, yeah, are correct?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yes, Ryan Bershinger, Yes, yeah, yeah. Lewis Hamilton has made it,
but there's no hockey player.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Crosby's at twenty two.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay, yeah, we had them at twenty. So again our
rankings are better, and our rankings, by the way again
three years ago. So again there were accomplishments that weren't
yet accomplished by certain athletes to make them in their
top twenty. But I feel like our assessment of athletes
was very, very strong.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
We're really good here, We're strong here. You guys were
even strong before me. And I'm so happy to know
that we didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Karen come in. Yeah, I was Kerrie fifty fourth on
our list. I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I wasn't there, But I'm going to root for the
home team. Is what I'm going to do right now,
I will.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Say one other thing and to Nick's point about tennis,
and I'll just say this quickly. You brought up Federer. Yeah,
our list of arguments of who is what I think
are legitimate arguments when you have Djokovic eleven and Rafael
on Nadel twelve. Sorry, it's not that close like Nadal
(34:54):
for as great as he was made his career on clay. Yes,
and when you're like, it's not, it's not a split
by a hair with those two. Djokovic is better. Djokovic
is to the point of even being better than Federer.
That's why their list is a joke in ours is real? Nick?
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I think I think Djokovic has become the best winner
in men's tennis. You look at all the Grand Slam numbers,
He's at the top of all of them. Out just
since you guys did your rankings, he won seven more
Grand Slams. Should you guys did that, and now he's
got twenty four and.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
He's won seven sts? Then yeah, wow. Also there's Federer's.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Career was no longer there, you know, was over, you know,
and they'd all injured and but elsa COVID situation. But
the point that they think that Jo Djokovic and a
doll are that close just tells me that it's an
invalid and the Federer and.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
The Joker, the Djokids thing. I think he is right
up there. He's brilliant, but Federer and who he had
to go through, it's just not it's it's unmatched with
the ones that with Jokins.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I think you can make an argument for it, even
even though he doesn't have the most Grand slams. For sure,
he's carry roads. I'm Dan Bayer Dabosweeney made an argument
that's pretty ridiculous. We'll talk about that next year. On Cavino,
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Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's Caavino and Rich here at Fox Sports Radio. But
you've got Carrie Rhodes and me Dan Beyer in for
the guys. Givino a rich On vacation this week, as
is Spotty and Danny g So. We got Ryan Berschinger, Iowa,
Sam and Nick cope hanging out with us today. We
could keep this tennis conversation going and going and going
if we wanted to. But we are going to shift
(36:39):
gears because it is starting to become football season, and
it's college football season with media days and whatnot, and
the changing landscape that is college football. You now have
a twelve team playoff nil such a huge part of
it transfer portal. And again, I still have not decided
if I'm going to pull the trigger tomorrow to get
the PS five and the College Football EA Sports video game.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh you're still lingering on that decision.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, it's I want it, it's just should I get it?
That's the question. We've been in a holding pattern for
the last forty eight hours Monday and Tuesday. It really
looked good. There was like an eighty percent chance of
me getting the system, and it's kind of held steady
and kind of faded back a little bit as the
(37:25):
week is gone.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
What are the odds right now? Where are we at
right now?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's probably about sixty percent. Yes, yeah, So it may
not rain college football This weekend here in southern California,
we shall see Dabo Sweeney talking about all things college
football and Dabo. When he's talking, at times, Dabbo feels
like he's talking about college football ten years ago, and
twenty years ago and thirty years ago. This is what
(37:49):
Dabosweeney had to say about the future of college football,
specifically players. When let's just say things may not be
going right.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
If you're four and four and probably out of the playoffs,
probably see some guys head off to Arizona and train.
You'll probably see some situations like you see in the NFL.
Ravens are in the playoffs. They got it locked up, right,
they got to buy or they got one more game
that really means nothing. You play Lamar in that game,
maybe you're eleven to oh, and you got that rivalry game,
(38:17):
but oh, you play your biggest foe next week in
the conference championship, and if you win that game, you're
gonna get a buye. Those are things that will probably
decisions you'll see play out all throughout college football.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I hate to tell davilsweeteness, this is already going on
in college football. Like there are players who have opted
out of seasons because of an injury early on, because
you know what, I'm not gonna rush myself back. I'm
just gonna sit out and hope for my NFL dreams
to take flight. And yeah, if there are teams that
are three and four and four and four, what's better
(38:51):
for you as a program to have that player go
on and have NFL success or to play in three
or four meaningless games as a college player and possibly
hurt themselves more. Sorry, that's the current college football landscape
we have. Now, it's been here for a while. I
don't actually even think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Well, I think he's been left in the shadows on
this one because of the success that he's had, right,
so he hasn't had this happened at his at his
front step, so to speak. It hasn't happened to him
until recently where they're starting to shruggle and they're in
that mix of three four losses. So I think this
is just new territory for him. I think now he's
(39:27):
definitely aware of that. But yeah, it's been happening for
multiple years here.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
It's pretty amazing at some of the stuff that Dabbo
says that just aren't in touch with college football, like
it truly is like that is like this is nothing new.
And I think that when you're saying it, Yeah, it
sounds completely awful. And then when you actually look at
what has happened in college football, No, maybe not on
a grand scale, right, but I don't think it's ever
going to be on a grand scale. So much ado
(39:54):
about nothing for Dabbo. They may have to focus more
on the Big twelve than maybe staying in the esc
here acc he's carry roads. I'm Dan Byer. One former
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
We're all here.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Someone is in a really really good mood because his
TV show is back. He's Kai, guys, I'm the Cobra Kai.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Did they release just one episode or all of them? There?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
They released five for the first wave and then they
will release five more for the season finale and show finale.
So I'm pumped sol episode one and I'm just so
I'm feeling really nostalgic on the on this, on this
episode of the cochin Orm But show.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Well, I'll tell you what the the great Karate Kid movies. Yeah,
saw Danielson rise to the occasion? Yes that was not
the case. Or Tiger Woods today a completely different story.
But it allows me to talk golf, So I'm happy
about that. Let's go. Nickopis here. Ryan Berschinger, Iowa Sam
back from his vacation Iowa misses you already, Sam, I
(01:14):
don't miss the bug bites. I'm gonna tell you I
got you alive. I had a bermuda. I was in
Wisconsin the week before and a kid got sick halfway through.
But there was a time where we were outside. I
had a bermuda triangle of mosquito bites around my right ankle,
inside of my right ankle, just on the right side. Yes,
it's like a constant yeah. Yeah, it's the worst. Yeah,
(01:37):
right around that ankle and just it's so itchy. It's
the worst. I got one on my neck.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
They went from lower lower extremities to vampire and I
don't ever remember a time of getting one on my neck.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And then my wife goes, is that a pimple? And
I'm like, no, it's a mosquito bite. And it was, Yeah,
it was enormous.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
We have to I'm glad I brought my garlic to
make sure you not a changing A little later.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I'll tell you what. There's a lot of remedies that
you can use to get rid of the mosquitoes, but
the way that some of them have been biting in
the Midwest because it's been wet and soggy. There, Yeah,
some big ones to deal with. Iowa. Sam was able
to navigate that and we are glad that he is
with us. There is speaking of being back. Tiger Woods
is not back. Russell Westbrook is not going to be
(02:25):
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(02:45):
I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie
to you. Carry Tiger Woods allows me to talk about golf.
Rory McElroy sometimes can be a topic of conversation and
then a live PGA Tour conversation, But honestly, on the
grand scale of things, I'm not coming in today talking
(03:06):
about Shane Lowry shooting sixty six to lead the first
round of the Open Championship. Not many people care about that,
But I do think a lot of people care about
Tiger Woods. And with the news today that Russell Westbrook
is being traded again and as signing trade deal and
ultimately will end up in a Denver Nuggets uniform, according
to the reports. It has me thinking about legacies, and
(03:27):
I want to start with Tiger because Tiger's I guess
legacy was put into focus in comments made by Colin
Montgomery earlier this week where Colin Montgomery said, I watched
Tiger at the US Open, and I'm paraphrasing because Montgomery
said that his comments were taken out of context, but
they were harsh and and he's been a pretty good
analyst when he's not playing golf. Montgomery has and does
(03:50):
speak his mind, sometimes maybe a little bit too much.
But the basic point Carrie was, Tiger didn't look like
he enjoyed hitting one shot at the US Open last month.
If you're not out there enjoying golf, why are you
playing golf? Because you're not going to enjoy playing in
the wind and rain at Royal Troon at the Open
Championship and tiger Woods today. An early birdie, but that
(04:11):
was pretty much the only bright spot on a scorecard
that finished with a seventy nine plus eight, tied in
one hundred and thirty eighth place. They're only about fifteen
sixteen players that have fared worse than Tiger on this
round today. So when you start talking about legacies, I
feel like I'm a golf fan and I'm too close
(04:32):
to it and try to look at different things. But
I feel that you're someone who's maybe more on the
Outskirts and Burschinger and Iowa Sam and Nick Cope as well.
What do you want to see from Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I want Tiger to not subject himself to this criticism
right now. This is the problem. When your superstars are
starting to are starting to decline, They're starting to not
be able to string together the performances that they're used
to putting out there. This is when it's hard to watch.
And as a fan of excellence, I'm not a super
(05:06):
fan of golf, but a fan of excellence and seeing
what that looks like when it starts to dwindle down
and you and you're a shell of that as that
superstar person player that you were before. I would like
for them to retire early, then retire late. And so
I don't know the comments, the comments that were being
said by Colin, but just as an outside fan and
(05:29):
the fan of excellence, I want to see those guys
be able to rest on that not what we're seeing now.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
We talk a lot about, you know, the Lake great
Willie Mays who recently just passed away, but his name,
it was always used of later on in his career,
what he was playing with the New York Mets of
Willie Mays, and the outfield just wasn't the same Willie
Mays that you remembered with the Giants. You know, Joe Namath,
not in a Jets uniform but in a Rams uniform
(05:55):
is one that that we bring up of like it
just like those times and you talk about like faces
and weird uniforms. Jerry Rice was a name that was
always weird in other uniforms. But Jerry Rice was still
performing a great career with the Raiders and even caught
touchdown passes when he spent the little time that he
did with the with the Seattle Seahawks. But you don't
want to see your legends and your goats going and
(06:18):
playing in a scenario or playing in an area where
they just don't feel like they belong. And I think
that the comments of people saying of what you're saying
is you're protecting your memories. You're protecting like in a
way like it feels like it's protecting Tiger's legacy. I
would say this in looking at what how we need
(06:39):
to view Tiger Woods for the rest of his career,
I feel that he does want to play with his son, Charlie,
at least at some point, whether Charlie gets to that level.
I think that Tiger at some day would like to
tee it up in the same golf tournament as his son,
just like Lebron wants to play with Brody, and not
the exact same scenario, but at least the same desire
(07:01):
to do so. I also think that there was a
rule that people may not have known that passed just
recently where the PGA Tours basically said the Tiger, here's
a lifetime achievement award. You are exempt in any of
our signature events for the rest of your career for
what you have done. You don't need to qualify, you
don't need to be in the top seventy to play
(07:22):
in these events. You have an automatic spot if you
want to. That's really going to help Tiger, because Tiger's
then going to be able to play in events that
will allow him to tune up, say for a major
this is his fifth tournament this year. Three of the
four that he played in were other majors, Masters, PGA Championship,
in the US Open. You do not have your game
(07:43):
at that point. So that's just the point that I
want to make for anybody who is just you know,
not wanting to see Tiger, thinks that he should hang
it up, give him a little bit more leeway, allow
him to play a full schedule. I think a lot
of his time has been dealt with the PGA Tour
and live stuff. But so have your expectations. And this
is kind of where I think Russell Westbrook comes into
(08:04):
the picture as well. What Tiger could do for us
as golf fans is give us a weekend at some
point between now in the next five years where we
are again on the edge of our couch like we
were on the Masters four years ago and watching him
play and winning that green jacket. He's not gonna win
three more majors, but there may be there, just may
be a possibility where he is in contention in one
(08:28):
of the weekends at a major, which will again give
us that feeling of youth, of exuberance. That's where your
expectation has to be You don't have to be mad
at Tiger because he shoots eight over power. You don't
have to say he retires. You just have to lower
your expectations and know that at some point there's gonna
be a weekend where guess what, Tiger's back for a
(08:50):
little bit, and it's going to give us that flash
in the pan. And that's what I think that we
need to expect from him. I don't think we can
expect that from Russell Westbrook anymore, not that they're on
the same level of greatness, but in the move today
of the Clippers doing a sign in trade with the
Utah Jazz and then Westbrook eventually will be released by
the Jazz and go to the Denver Nuggets. Yeah, you
(09:10):
talk about legacy, Carrie. I thought that there was still
something worth with Russell Westbrook's legacy and where he's been.
But now this is to me the bad TV show
or the TV show that was great, like Growing Pains
was early, and then you add so many different characters,
or like The Office was when Steve Carrell left. You're
adding all these new faces and putting players in different
roles and it's just not the same. That's what I
(09:33):
feel not with Russell Westbrook in his NBA career.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, Russell is an oddity as well at this point.
Obviously in his career now down to stretch, he's had
stops where he did not look like Russell Westbrook and
he did not help those teams. He wasn't the missing
piece to get those teams over the hump. And so
you know, even starting back with Oka, see you know
the teams they had early on with those guys, they
should at least won one. And I think that would
(09:57):
have changed even the end of this tour for him
if you already had that ring early and he's bouncing
around now like it would be almost Carmelo is sure,
because I mean Carmelo is I think if you put
those two together, Carmelo and Russell Westbrook, who would you
say who's had the better career? Would you who would
you think had the better career of those? I would
say Westbrook. You'd say Westbrook because he got the the
(10:19):
the triple, the MVPs. Yeah, see, I would say I
would say Carmelo. And I believe Russell Westbrook accolades in
the stuff that he's done that was different for that
little two year stretch in ok See where he's doing
all the all the triple doubles and getting all the
MVPs and stuff. I think Carmelo in that situation or
(10:41):
on a team like that, could have done the same thing.
I don't think the type of play or the things
that Russell Russe that Russell did during that triple double
stretch was it was, you know, his fight, his determination
as a player. But I don't think that's skill. I
think that's will, and so that's a difference. So like
better player, I would say Carmelo in my mind. And
so when I think of Russell, I think that stretch
(11:02):
that he had with Okay See was so brilliant that
I'm going to remember him for that, not the end
of this the stretch of his career, but I want
to remember him for that greatness of doing that, because
he did something that a lot of players couldn't do,
and that was played hard, and that's what I appreciate
the most about him.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Not to make this a Russell Westbrook versus Carmelo discussion,
but just to clarify, because I want I want to
make a point. Are you saying that you feel that
Carmelo's career was better or that Carmelo was just a
better player than Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I think Carmelo is a better player Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But career wise, if you were to take what they
did in their career, would you still say Carmelo is
better than what? Because I think that there's a lot
more than just Carmelo will get me a bucket? I know, absolutely,
But I also think that there's a part of Carmelo's career,
a big part of his career, where you're like, can
we get more out of this? Sure? Can we squeeze
(11:58):
more out of this? And I don't. I don't know
if you could do that with Russell Westbrook. I almost
feel like everything was squeezed out almost too much for him.
So like I look at it and say, like I
could see the argument for better, better player thing like
I'll take Carmelo in a one on one situation or
score however, but better career I would still say I
(12:20):
would I would lean towards Russell Westbrook's career finals appearance
the MVP. What went on?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I mean, Westbrook was on better teams too, so like
get so getting those those end results were I mean
kind of whatever. You know, there was a big contribution there.
We forget about Carmelo early on in Denver, where he's
put up these numbers he should have been forc of
the Year. He also took that Denver Nuggets team to
the Western Conference Finals in a tough West which was crazy.
(12:49):
I mean he had oh no, OK, but I mean
he was the apple. He was the guy. So I
think people forget about that early part of his career.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
They do. But also with with Westbrook, Harden wasn't hard, yeah,
like you know, and Durant obviously like they were on
their way up. But just a point of like we
look at the threesome of Harden, Westbrook, and Durant and
I don't think they were the players in twenty twenty twelve.
Excuse me that they were in say twenty seventeen, five
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years later when Durant ends up leaves and goes to
the Warriors. But the point of Westbrook staying and I'm
curious what you got how you guys view Russ Westbrook
because I was even talking with Big Mike, who does
not run this place when I'm hosting the show. He
does not run this place. He's not even close to it.
In fact, Iowa Sam runs this place more than Big Mike.
(13:39):
When I am hosting this show, when I talked about
Westbrook's legacy, He's like, what legacy? You didn't even think
that there was one for him? And I think of
that when Durant left okc on what a gut punch
that was for that city and that organization that Russ
was there. Russ stayed there and became almost became the
(14:04):
de facto hero. Sure, and then you had the MVP.
And even just getting to us, say a seventh seed
in the West was good enough, because guess what, he's
the one that didn't leave. He stuck around and led
them and there may have been some you know, finagling
of numbers and on free throws, nobody would get the rebounds,
so he would get the rebound. Going back and looking
back at that, maybe some of those numbers were maybe
(14:27):
fudged a little bit because of those scenarios, But you
can't take away what he meant to Oklahoma City during
that time. And so now like that's what still sticks
with me for him. So now when I see him
on the Denver Nuggets, after being on the Clippers, after
being on the Lakers, after being on the Wizards, after
being on the rockets, that gets pushed further and further back.
We're in big mic again. Who does not run this
(14:49):
place at all? The Oklahoma City tenure doesn't even now
register on his radar because it's been so long ago.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Doesn't you look at him as the guy who saved
OKAC for those two seasons?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Absolutely, yeah, I think I think that's a big part
of it. But now it's just now you're going to
Denver again, and we're gonna probably have the same thing
that happened with.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
The Clippers, you know, so I know, no, I agree
with I agree with that. I think the Denver, the
Denver stuff and just having the Clippers and the Lakers
and all these like random teams kind of be added
to your tenure at the end. It's it gets sad,
It gets in that same territory of what you say,
like for me as a tiger saying a tiger struggle
down to stretch. Here, it's we want to remember the greatness.
(15:31):
We want to remember the good things and the beautiful
things that you did for the game of golf with Tiger,
with Russell for okay, see, and those things are starting
to become distant memories.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Tiger's going to continue to play, and I think Tiger's
going to give us some Tiger's gonna give us, I
think more high moments than Russell Westbrook will in his career.
From this point, from right here, from where were on,
you will get more. And maybe it's because Tiger is
beloved more. I think with every stop that Westbrook gone,
it's been now. Clippers fans may have a bad tape,
(16:03):
although maybe they shouldn't, you know, the Rockets fans maybe
the same case Lakers fans, and I didn't love his
tenure there. There's just it's it's it's I don't know
if it's the law of diminishing returns. I don't know
if that is apropos here, but there just seems to
be a little bit less and less. And now you're
in another uniform and the basketball reference page is going
(16:25):
to just have jersey after jersey after jersey after jersey,
and the more you have of those, the more you
get away from what this guy meant to Oklahoma City
and what he meant to the thunder And for people
that wanted Tiger to retire, I know these guys are
getting millions upon millions to continue to play in the NBA.
But I mean, man, I you know, if Russell Westbrook
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would have stuck around in Oklahoma City and just say
retired after twenty twenty, that's that's his legacy that we're
looking back at and saying like that, he is mister
Oklahoma City. It didn't matter that they didn't go to
an NBA finals since twenty twelve. It didn't matter that
they didn't reach the Western Conference finals after KD left.
(17:07):
It was that Westbrook stayed around and provided that. And
I think that has now changed.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, that's and that's it just kind of lends it's
that part, the Russell Westbrook part kind of lends the
conversation back to again, like when you're in a place
and you have a chance and you're actually orchestrating greatness
to start trying to hang on to that and cling
on to that and go, you know, other places and
(17:35):
get shipped to places that you shouldn't be at in
the first place. I mean, the Lakers, number one, they
bring him in. He's a spot up shoot in the
corner you can't shoot sure, so like he's destined to
fail there. But if he stayed in his place. And okay,
see like you said and walked, you know, walked out
with that. That would have been a beautiful story. Okay,
I agree with the two questions to before we wrap
this up. Number one, what do you remember most about
(18:00):
Carmelo Anthony's basketball career? What is the what is the
high point?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Since you brought him up in this discussion, Uh huh,
what is the high what is the the high watermark?
What he is going to be most remembered for in
his career.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
He'll be most remembered for his Olympic years.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Really, you think the Olympic years.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Yes, he was really dynamic in the Olympic years and
he really showed how good he was as a player
during those teams. To see him be one of the
ones that would be so confident and you had you
had mellow Wade, Lebron, Kobe, all these guards, Chris Paul there, whatever,
and you didn't look at him as being low on
(18:40):
the total pole in those games. I mean, we know
Lebron and Kobe were the yeah, quote unquote alphas, but
he was right there in the mix as well. And
that for me is what I remember the most about Carmela.
I go to Syracuse. I think I think his high
point was two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
I I and as crazy as that is for how
much he was a fixture in the end n b
A and then in playing for the Knicks, I still
don't think it got it ever got as high as
it did.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
It was really good. That was big, it was it
really was.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Anybody and Nick Cope, sports historian, what do you think
is Carmelo's high point in his career?
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I tend to agree with you, Dan, because I just
was thinking about his pro career and I feel bad
saying a little bit, but I kind of just associate
Carmelo with not caring about winning that much in the
NBA when he got to That's just a vibe.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I god, sorry, yeah, no, he wanted to get his Yeah,
he always looked out of shape. Really, you're joking, right, like,
and there's a there's a and I doesn't look that
out of same to me because he doesn't. No, no, wait,
look like there were times where where it was where
in New York he was he was not the slender
(20:01):
Carmelo that he was later on in his career. And
when you have that have that look, that.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Tends I think a good comp here, is Paul Pierce
right little?
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Just body wise? Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, I'm not wrong though in saying that Carmelo, I'm
not just It's not that he was fat, That's not
what it was. It was just he was a body
shape that you thought like, Okay, this could probably use
a little bit more time, either in the weight room
or with the diet. I just and when you look
at him later in his career, he slimmed down and
you're like saying, oh, you can do that, so now
(20:36):
you will, but you didn't do it in those other years.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
I mean think about also Dan Again, we talk about
the era he played in. It wasn't much physical brand
of basketball, so slimming down for him may not have
been ideal.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
You are no West, I'm telling you, I'm going to
use that excuse at all. It's a much more physical rate.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
It's not.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But no, really, that's I mean when you look at it,
and then obviously as you get older, you do become
aware that you have to take care of your body
in a different way to be effective. And so I
could see the weight the weight loss real as you
are such a mellow Stan I have I am surprised.
I did not. I did not see that coming. Yeah, Mellow,
Mellow's okay, Mellow is a friend of mine, but I'm
(21:22):
not saying I'm not saying any of this for that reason.
But I got to see him a lot, and I
was in New York as well, So I thought, did
I say anything that was out of turn?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
No? I didn't think so.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
I think it's all pretty fair game to come down
for sure. For sure, Uh, we'll have to wait for
a Tiger Wood's reappearance, likely in twenty twenty five. Tomorrow.
I'll probably be the last time we see him against
for a while, and you'll see him maybe in December
at his tournament that he puts on. But I would
expect him to play more events next year and then
(21:54):
fare better in some of these majors. I'm telling you,
just believe me. He's gonna be He's going to be
exempt in most of these. He could play the Open Championship,
as he said, at least sixty. The Masters isn't gonna
kick him out. USGA just gave him an exemption to
the US Open. They probably won't do that year after
year after year, but there still will be a PG
eight championship that he'll he'll be playing in the fact
(22:15):
is there's going to be a weekend and not saying
he's gonna win it. I'm not saying he's gonna win it.
But there's going to be a weekend at some point
again in Tiger's career where he will be in contention
and it will get us all excited again. That should
be our expectation. We shouldn't be mad that he shot
eight over power. You should shoot eight over par. But
we've only played four events this season and you're going
overseas in playing in an open championship. That was expected.
(22:38):
If he shot even parwer that would be unexpected for me.
But I think that there will be a time at
some point in his career where we will see it again.
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world is this ranking by ESPN of the top one
hundred athletes of the twenty first century. What a novel idea,
(24:53):
carry Rhoads in fact an idea we had and did
three years ago here at Fox Sports Radio. And so
it just really annoys me because I know what they're doing.
There's not much going on right now. There's no baseball.
The NBA has really died down, Summer league winding down.
The WNBA now on hiatus after the All Star Game
because the Olympic break so let's do this countdown and
(25:16):
get people to talking. We're not talking about it because
of what their list is. We're talking about it because
they stole our idea. Is that is That is the
fact of the matter. We did this three years ago. Now,
in our defense, we did it during COVID because again
there wasn't a ton going on at that time. But
it also was a great time to take a look
(25:37):
back at what was happening the previous twenty years. Yeah,
and we did it, you know, in that form because
it was at the end of twenty twenty. Let's take
a look back see what we had athlete wise, and
we did a top twenty. We got ballots from hosts,
from anchors, from producers, from others, all at Fox Sports Radio.
(25:58):
I talented these up myself. Oh wow, and I was
really really impressed with the rankings. But our rankings three
years ago had this these five athletes in the top five.
Let me see if you have any problem with these,
and I'm going to do them in random mortar. Michael Pholps,
(26:20):
would you have him with you? Did you have a
problem with him being in our top five athletes of
the last twenty plus years? No, Serena Williams, no Tom Brady,
no Lebron James, no Tiger Woods no. Okay, perfect, how
about these five names. Kobe Bryant No, I wouldn't have
(26:46):
a problem with it. Yeah, yeah, right, Usain Bolt no,
Roger Federer no Leo Messi.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It would be competition with that one, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
And Floyd Mayweather No. So Floyd Mayweather didn't even make
their top twenty. Wow. For ESPN, they're five through one.
By the way, the last five they gave you were
are six through ten, so it's all very close. Our
five differs in this way. They had Michael Phelps one.
We had Tom Brady one. They had Serena two. We
(27:21):
had Serena five. They had Leo Messi three. We had
him ninth. They had Lebron four. We had him second.
They had Tom Brady fifth, we had him number one.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
I'm gonna throw somebody who I would say tops to
the whole list, and I know a lot of people
may not agree with that one, but he's in the top.
He would be considered the top five, I think in
most people's books regardless. And I'm going to say that's
Roger Federer. And I know a lot of people don't
wouldn't say that just because of not being a pure
(27:56):
tennis fan or being able to catch enough of those
matches for them to really understand his greatness. But you
talk about a guy that won twenty Grand Slam titles,
won eight woman in titles, and you watch his game,
one of the most beautiful games for any kind of
pro athlete in the history, and how he changed and
(28:18):
how he changed tennis and so dominant, dominant for so long.
And we talk about lamp here too. For tennis players,
they don't usually last that long. So to have the
greatness that he did and achieved over his career, I
would put him a number one.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
No, that's it's a strong point. I would say that
us having him at eight in our list three years
ago was I feel a sufficient ranking at that time,
and on seven spots lower than what you think. But
I would also say this, he was sixth in the
ESPN's list. I don't know if you can't say Novak
(28:52):
Djokovic is better than he than Federer is, and they
have Djokovic eleventh. In our defense, we did ours three
years Agoatrick Mahomes is nowhere near this top twenty. Patrick
Mahomes didn't have what he had at that time. By
the way, Leo Messi didn't have a World Cup when
we ended up doing these rankings and now a Copa
America Championship, but he still was able to make it,
(29:12):
you know, into our top ten. He moved up to
number three for those But you know, in I think
the tennis gets overlooked. Yeah, sure, Serena was second in
ESPN's for for how dominant she was. But the thing
that I would say that would actually strengthen your point,
I don't I don't know how many women's tennis players
(29:35):
were matching Serena time and time again, or some that came,
some that went, some that came, some that went, and
where Federer had to deal with Nadal for a decent
part of his career, yes, and then obviously had to
deal with Djokovic for a decent amount of his career.
You had, and.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Then the people he overtook at that time, Agasy and
rock Yeah there, you know, Andy Murray just the name,
you know. Again, like it was tougher to navigate the
men's tennis game at that time, uh than I really
think in any other era. So and that that's what's
actually going to be so difficult with tennis now, not
to make this a tennis conversation, but why I think
(30:14):
Alcarez could could really be great is we need to
see those two or other three players come up and
challenge to it. Like it was Federer for a while
and then ny Doalandjokovic ended up coming up, and so
now you're going back and forth with those.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
But it's good. It's difficult to replace three guys, I think,
just like we're seeing in the NFL where yeah, you're
you had to replace Tom Brady, but you also had
to replace Drew Brees. You also had to replace Peyton Manning.
You also had to replace Ben Roethlisberger. You also had
to replace Philip Rivers. Like, there's a lot. There's a
lot with that. I think we're still trying to do
that and Patrick Mahomes can only do so much. Yes, yeah,
(30:49):
it's and and maybe that's why we look at Josh
Allen and some of the other quarterbacks of the way
that we do. But like you're, you're not just having
one guy replaced your lacing a bunch of them. Yes,
they had Simone Biles seventh in this ranking. We had
her fourteenth. Yeah, and uh, I know Nick Cope is
(31:10):
with Doug Gottlieb previously, and Doug was not happy with
Simone Biles being ahead of Tiger Woods. We got a
tweet from someone that said, if Tiger isn't number one,
this ranking is ridiculous. Alex said, asenine was the way
that it was the term that he used. But all
I'm saying is this, it was our rankings that we
did three years ago, and ESPN's like, oh, let's just
(31:33):
let's do them again and stole it.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
And for you, I mean, I know it had to
like really hurt and really sting, because you're the one
that actually tallied this thing up and put a lot
of effort and time into this and then and then
they threw it out there three years along Summer twenty four,
go away, we got something Mark Shutter the Athlete of
the twenty first century, like did you?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Did you? People have to go through Rob Parker's list
and just shake your head at every suggestion that he
made with his ranking. I want to know his top
eight all Major League Baseball players. No, I'm kidding him.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
It was Sandy Kofat. He's not even in two thousands,
and it was I that that's Rob. Rob was gonna
throw out some some unique player that we would not
have known and it would have been a baseball legend.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Oh, by the way, baseball wise, they don't have anybody
in this uh in this top twenty. Yep, they had
zero baseball players in their Top twenty.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You got to go down to Albert Poolhole set twenty four.
That was their top baseball player.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Wow. We had Barry Bonds at nineteen and Mariano Rivera
at seventeen. Yeah, that's that was That was our baseball
reprie representative. And you know the thing about Bonds is
it's just a matter of you know, how he got
how he got to those and if those numbers are standing,
(33:03):
you know, I mean, he received enough votes to crack
our top twenty.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah, how he got there? I don't think, Well it
matters in history history, I guess because he's not in
the Hall of Fame yet. But even before the the
amplified stuff, he was still one of the best players
in the world, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Yeah, yeah, we got we got another tweet from someone
because I retweeted our tweet that we sent out when
we had the full Top twenty released. Yeah, and someone
mentioned about our Sidney Crosby ranking. Shaner tweeted in the
fact that Crosby is twentieth on this list when he
plays the hardest sport is mind boggling. Wow, Here's I
(33:46):
would just say that they ESPN doesn't even have a
hockey player in the Top twenty if I'm correct? If
am I correct?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Nick Cope, Yeah, yeah, are correct?
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Yes, Ryan Bershinger, Yes, yeah, yeah. Lewis Hamilton has made it,
but there's no hockey player.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Crosby's at twenty two.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Okay, yeah, we had them at twenty. So again our
rankings are better, and our rankings, by the way again
three years ago. So again there were accomplishments that weren't
yet accomplished by certain athletes to make them in their
top twenty. But I feel like our assessment of athletes
was very, very strong.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
We're really good here, We're strong here. You guys were
even strong before me. And I'm so happy to know
that we didn't.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Karen come in. Yeah, I was Kerrie fifty fourth on
our list. I wasn't there.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
I wasn't there, But I'm going to root for the
home team. Is what I'm going to do right now,
I will.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Say one other thing and to Nick's point about tennis,
and I'll just say this quickly. You brought up Federer. Yeah,
our list of arguments of who is what I think
are legitimate arguments when you have Djokovic eleven and Rafael
on Nadel twelve. Sorry, it's not that close like Nadal
(34:54):
for as great as he was made his career on clay. Yes,
and when you're like, it's not, it's not a split
by a hair with those two. Djokovic is better. Djokovic
is to the point of even being better than Federer.
That's why their list is a joke in ours is real? Nick?
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (35:11):
I think I think Djokovic has become the best winner
in men's tennis. You look at all the Grand Slam numbers,
He's at the top of all of them. Out just
since you guys did your rankings, he won seven more
Grand Slams. Should you guys did that, and now he's
got twenty four and.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
He's won seven sts? Then yeah, wow. Also there's Federer's.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Career was no longer there, you know, was over, you know,
and they'd all injured and but elsa COVID situation. But
the point that they think that Jo Djokovic and a
doll are that close just tells me that it's an
invalid and the Federer and.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
The Joker, the Djokids thing. I think he is right
up there. He's brilliant, but Federer and who he had
to go through, it's just not it's it's unmatched with
the ones that with Jokins.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I think you can make an argument for it, even
even though he doesn't have the most Grand slams. For sure,
he's carry roads. I'm Dan Bayer Dabosweeney made an argument
that's pretty ridiculous. We'll talk about that next year. On Cavino,
What are at John? Fox Sports Radio?
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Speaker 1 (36:18):
It's Caavino and Rich here at Fox Sports Radio. But
you've got Carrie Rhodes and me Dan Beyer in for
the guys. Givino a rich On vacation this week, as
is Spotty and Danny g So. We got Ryan Berschinger, Iowa,
Sam and Nick cope hanging out with us today. We
could keep this tennis conversation going and going and going
if we wanted to. But we are going to shift
(36:39):
gears because it is starting to become football season, and
it's college football season with media days and whatnot, and
the changing landscape that is college football. You now have
a twelve team playoff nil such a huge part of
it transfer portal. And again, I still have not decided
if I'm going to pull the trigger tomorrow to get
the PS five and the College Football EA Sports video game.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh you're still lingering on that decision.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well, it's I want it, it's just should I get it?
That's the question. We've been in a holding pattern for
the last forty eight hours Monday and Tuesday. It really
looked good. There was like an eighty percent chance of
me getting the system, and it's kind of held steady
and kind of faded back a little bit as the
(37:25):
week is gone.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
What are the odds right now? Where are we at
right now?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
It's probably about sixty percent. Yes, yeah, So it may
not rain college football This weekend here in southern California,
we shall see Dabo Sweeney talking about all things college
football and Dabo. When he's talking, at times, Dabbo feels
like he's talking about college football ten years ago, and
twenty years ago and thirty years ago. This is what
(37:49):
Dabosweeney had to say about the future of college football,
specifically players. When let's just say things may not be
going right.
Speaker 6 (37:56):
If you're four and four and probably out of the playoffs,
probably see some guys head off to Arizona and train.
You'll probably see some situations like you see in the NFL.
Ravens are in the playoffs. They got it locked up, right,
they got to buy or they got one more game
that really means nothing. You play Lamar in that game,
maybe you're eleven to oh, and you got that rivalry game,
(38:17):
but oh, you play your biggest foe next week in
the conference championship, and if you win that game, you're
gonna get a buye. Those are things that will probably
decisions you'll see play out all throughout college football.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I hate to tell davilsweeteness, this is already going on
in college football. Like there are players who have opted
out of seasons because of an injury early on, because
you know what, I'm not gonna rush myself back. I'm
just gonna sit out and hope for my NFL dreams
to take flight. And yeah, if there are teams that
are three and four and four and four, what's better
(38:51):
for you as a program to have that player go
on and have NFL success or to play in three
or four meaningless games as a college player and possibly
hurt themselves more. Sorry, that's the current college football landscape
we have. Now, it's been here for a while. I
don't actually even think it's a bad thing.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Well, I think he's been left in the shadows on
this one because of the success that he's had, right,
so he hasn't had this happened at his at his
front step, so to speak. It hasn't happened to him
until recently where they're starting to shruggle and they're in
that mix of three four losses. So I think this
is just new territory for him. I think now he's
(39:27):
definitely aware of that. But yeah, it's been happening for
multiple years here.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
It's pretty amazing at some of the stuff that Dabbo
says that just aren't in touch with college football, like
it truly is like that is like this is nothing new.
And I think that when you're saying it, Yeah, it
sounds completely awful. And then when you actually look at
what has happened in college football, No, maybe not on
a grand scale, right, but I don't think it's ever
going to be on a grand scale. So much ado
(39:54):
about nothing for Dabbo. They may have to focus more
on the Big twelve than maybe staying in the esc
here acc he's carry roads. I'm Dan Byer. One former
Cowboy thinks Dak should be traded. That's next.
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