August 15, 2024 • 39 mins
Dan and Monse in for C&R as they discuss Colin Kaepernick and his willingness or lack of willingness to get back into the NFL. Dan and Monse weigh in on the story that Major League Baseball might be considering a 6-inning minimum rule for starting pitchers. Plus, Dan and Monse talk about texting rules.
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if any news breaks. This was news within the last
twenty four hours that Colin Kaepernick was approached by his
former coach in the NFL, Jim Harbaugh, about joining the
Los Angeles Chargers as an assistant coach. In fact, Harbaugh
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telling USA Today that they spoke in January, talked a
little bit about it, and then talks kind of didn't
go anywhere and that was that. But Harbaugh did say
that he believes it believes that Kaepernick would be a
great coach if he ever wanted to be a head coach,
and never really got back to him on the possibilities
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of joining Jim Harbaugh staff Colin Kaepernick back in the
NFL as a head coach. He's says no, And I
think that there's a reason why he said no, and
it's not because he doesn't want to coach. But Manzi,
I also think it's not because he wants to play again,
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and it contradicts the words that he told the Sky
Sports saying, quote, we're still training, still pushing, so hopefully
we've just got to get one of these team owners
to open up. And this is a difficult conversation because
when you talk about Colin Kaepernick, that's obviously a polarizing topic.
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And while I was sided with Colin Kaepernick early on,
I didn't think NFL owners wanted to bring him in.
I don't think anybody did. I think they colluded to
not bring him in. Maybe seems that way, but the
fact is is NFL owners are not willing to take
certain risks. They just aren't NBA owners, maybe more so
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not NFL owners. And unfortunately, the risk that they felt
that he was taking, whether he sided with him or
didn't side with him, the NFL owners felt that it
wasn't going to be good for their business at what
he could provide for their team. There was no reason
for Colin Kaepernick to not at least have a tryout
six years ago for an NFL team. There was no
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reason for that not to happen, to have a tryout,
to go work out for a team. Ultimately, he did
go and speak with the Seahawks, talked with the Baltimore
Ravens never ended up signing with a team. There was
a point where how the workout in Atlanta was going
to show off his skills. Then they had to change
sites and made it very difficult. Colin Kaepernick. Right now,
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in the best interest of Colin Kaepernick is to not
go back to the NFL in any sort of capacity.
It's better for Colin Kaepernick to say that I want
to still play in the NFL than it is to
actually play in the NFL, actually coach in the National
Football League. He is in a better spot right now
to say, hey, I still want to get back. Hopefully
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owners will let me in. What team is going to
sign Colin Kaepernick when he hasn't played since twenty sixteen.
He's gonna be thirty seven years old in December. This
ship is so far sailed, but he allows this narrative
to keep out there that he still wants to play.
And if you I understand not wanting to cross the
line to coach, but if your own former coach is
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asking you to coach and not be the backup quarterback,
the one coach that believed in you, that made you
the star. If he's asking you to coach and not
be a player that probably tells you that your playing
career is over.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, it's time for him to move on from the
idea that he is going to play because in reality,
like you just said, his skill was not worth the
risk because of his skill set was higher. It would
have been worth the risk for some owners, but it
wasn't at the time. How long ago did you say
this was?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He hasn't played in an NFL game since twenty sixteen.
It is time twenty sixteen season.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
It really is time to move on. And I actually
think if he wants to go back and work in
the NFL in some capacity, he's got to take this
opportunity now. Like, you can't keep pushing things aside, because
then people are really going to just be like, you
know what, forget it. I can't take you seriously if
you're here telling me you still want to play now,
do you want to work in the NFL? Do you
want to help a team out?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But in the.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Capacity of a coach, Like he can't keep doing this
because he's really going to alienate himself more than he
already has, which I thought was unfair the way you
know he was alienated. But we've got we have got
to move on. I mentioned it. I mean like Joe
Flacco ruined a lot of people because all these all
these guys now think they can come off the couch
and play. Joe Flacco is responsible for this feeling that
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maybe Colin Kaepernick is a feeling right now, but he
has got to move on. There's you're not gonna play
the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And again, the problem with him moving on is that
it changes the narrative of who Colin Kaepernick is.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think it completely does. If you were to go
back into the NFL, into the league that you feel
turned its back on you and blackballed you, to go
in as a coach, to wear NFL gear, to wear
that logo, it seems like you are giving up what
you've done. Colin Kaepernick has done a lot of good,
a lot of good as Colin Kaepernick, the former NFL
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football player. But if you go back across that line,
for Colin Kaepernick, I feel like he's giving in. He's
saying right now, he's positioning himself as a guy who
wants to get back into the league, and that's actually
where he has made his most growth. If you will
to be able to do these things. If he goes
back to the NFL in any capacity, even if it
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is a player, which doesn't seem right. If he goes
back to the NFL, he is giving into being and
I'm using the air quotes here Colin Kaepernick, because it
is now a different It's not Colin Kaepernick the football player.
It's Colin Kaepernick the person, the activist, everything that comes
with it. And that would be in jeopardy if he
ended up crossing the line and being a head coach
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or being a player in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
But the reason I disagree with you is that he
has been trying to get back in the league the
entire time.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He has appeared. That he's tried to get back.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
He has said that, and like he's still saying it,
that he's in shape. So he's been willing to cross
the line. Now, does he think he deserves an X
amount of money which is why he's never crossed the line.
That's a separate conversation. But to say that if he
does it now, he's giving in to me, he was
willing to give in years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I think at one point, yes, yeah, I don't think
that's the case now. I think at one point he
wanted to get back into the NFL. There was no
team that would give him an opportunity, and the opportunity
that they may have provided him, whether it be in
Seattle or being Baltimore, wasn't enough for him to think
that it was worth it. Carol, I remember saying, like
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he's a starter in this league. Like this guy is
a starter in this league. He very well could have
backed up Russell Wilson during that time in Seattle. Does
Colin Kaepernick want to be a backup? Colin Kaepernick was
offered reportedly, and I had been told differently more money,
but was reportedly offered twenty million dollars to join an
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alternative football league that played in the spring a few
years ago, because it would have launched that league. It
was the Alliance League, remember that Alliance Football League. There
were reports that they had offered him twenty million dollars
to play in that league, to be the face of
that league. Twenty million dollars. It's a lot to you,
it's a lot to me. But Colin Kaepernick said no,
did not want to join that league because guess what,
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it probably wasn't worth twenty million dollars or the amount
of money that was around him probably would have done
him some good to show look at what I still
can do. Sometimes there's more power in not knowing and
being where you are. And it's I used to an
analogy that is probably going to be lost on many people.
(09:05):
And I don't watch the show, but vander Pump Rules
had a whole season where the whole storyline in the
finale was how Tom Sandoval cheated on Ariana and how
arian is the victim. You know who Arianni is because
she was on Dancing with the Song, She's hosting a
reality TV show, She's doing all of these things. Then
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the next season of vander Pump Rules that comes along.
I love the Housewives, I love New Jersey, I love
Beverly Hills, Orange County. I love the Housewives franchise. I
don't watch vander Pump Rules, but I saw enough of
promos and clips of people like when are you going
to move on? Instead of just always bringing up being
cheated on? And there's more power in that. There's more power.
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So you're Colin Kaeperdick. Being Colin Kaepernick right now is
the most powerful position that you can be in. Being
coach Colin Kaepernick is not as powerful being player, color
Bernicker saying that you want to be player. Colin Kaepernick
is more powerful than anything. Even though there isn't an
NFL team that is going to give the guy a
chance in his mid to late thirties that hasn't played
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since twenty sixteen. It's just not realistic.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But what is that power? He's not What is the power?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Because it looks he is still a victim in those eyes.
He listen, there's more power to it. Anthony Kim, a
professional golfer that played at Live Golf now plays at
Live Golf, disappeared for the PGA Tour because if he
would have played for a decade, he likely would have
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lost the insurance policy that he would have cashed in.
So he moved away, and everybody's like, where's Anthony Kim?
Where's Anthony Kim? It was more beneficial for him to
be away and cash in to go and compete in
golf and play. That was the decision that he made.
I'm not comparing it to Colin Kaepernick, but what I'm
saying is the obvious choices, Yeah, why don't you go
out and play professional golfer where he was at the time,
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and there are some stuff going on in his life
that didn't work out. But if he would have teed
it up in any event that everybody wanted him to
tee up in, he would have washed away whatever insurance
money he would have gotten. So it was more beneficial
for him to stay in that position. I feel like
he's more beneficial to stay in this position now as
the quarterback that is still trying to get into the league,
who after missing seven years of NFL football is like,
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I want back in. No one is.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Right, and so so much time has passed. I feel
like Colin Kaepernick is at a point in his life
where it's like, Okay, do I keep this position of
Colin Kaepernick the guy who was black bald? Or do
I actually kind of want to move on from it,
reassess what I'm going to do with my life moving
forward and go coach in the NFL. I just like,
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why would he want to keep this this Colin Kaepernick,
the guy who was blackballed? Like, why would you want
that to keep going?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Because I feel that there's a part of the audience
that will always gravitate to that.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Okay, So that audience, right is the audience that knows
about it that lived through it, the new incoming fan base,
they're gonna be like what mine as well become an
NFL coach.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then nobody's gonna know him if he's in, Like
the new fans are not going to understand who he is, right,
so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But eventually, you know what I'm saying, those people are
gonna phase out, like that storyline will phase out. So
if you want, all I'm saying is if Colin Kaepernick
wants to somehow be back in the NFL, this is
how he has to do it.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
If he doesn't, then he needs to just stop saying
that he wants to play it that it wants to
then we need to just like move on from that.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I think he's more interested in being Colin Kaepernick social
justice pioneer, and that's where he is at his highest
Jason Stewart, Executive Producer.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
That's exactly what I was going to say. That's that's
where his business is at, that's where his relevance is at.
There's a large portion of our population that supports him
for that and will continue to do that, and it's
a way for him to keep pushing the cause him
like putting out there that he's going to do a
tryout for the Raiders I think a couple of years ago.
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And then that whole thing with the Jets where he
wrote a letter to the Jets GM saying I'll come
and beyond your practice squad that went nowhere. These are
just ways of interjecting himself into the news so that
we could be reminded that Colin Kaepernick was blackballed by
the NFL. Why was he blackpied by the NFL? Then
you google his name, Oh, police brutality. Then you go
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down this rabbit hole and figure and find the cause.
Like that is the relevance for him. He doesn't want
to play again, but he wants to keep poking so
that he stays in the news. That's what this sounds like.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's and that was the quote that he when he
said the Sky Sports, We've just got to get one
of these team owners to open up. They're past this.
This is this is this is old this. He also
sued the league and they ended up, you know, reaching
a settlement on it. So that's probably not the greatest
move for it, but again, he had every right to.
I do feel he was blackball No one would give
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him a tryout. There's five quarterbacks for every team. I know,
five quarterbacks don't make a team, but when you're talking
about tryouts, when you're talking about camps, so you're talking
about mini camps, that's five quarterbacks for what thirty two
teams in the NFL, one hundred and sixty opportunities and
he wasn't getting one of those. That was complete BS
at the time, it was totally BS by the NFL,
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but NFL owners felt it wasn't worth what they termed
a risk. There are people who don't think it was
a risk at all because they're on one side, and
I agree with that. I know that fans, some fans
would have a backlash if you would have signed with
their team. I was all for Colin Kaepernick at that time,
but we're also at a different time right now. Realistically,
what player has been away from the league this long
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and is saying I'm still trying to get back in
what and at the quarterback position, like you mentioned Joe Flacco,
and you're right, there are people who think, like, hey,
look look at what Joe Flacco can do. And Joe
Flacco and Colin Kaepernick played in that same Super Bowl,
but Joe Flacco was on the couch for less than
a year. He went back into the NFL. He was
playing for the Jets the year, so there wasn't as
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much rust from a guy who, by the way, made
his money with his legs. Like that's that's the reason
that made Colin Kaepernick so dangerous as a football player
is what he could do speed wise. There are no
there are no mobile thirty seven year old quarterbacks in
the NFL. They don't exist. And that's what Colin Kaepernick
would be if you were to play in the NFL
this year.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So he can't keep saying that he's trying to play
in the NFL like it's gonna be more of a
joke every single time. So he's got to move on
from that. That's my whole point. Now, you're right that
he probably shouldn't be a coach, But I'm just saying, like,
if you do want to get back in this league,
this is your way to do it, because you can't
just ride this other train of I'm gonna keep, you know,
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practicing and being ready and in shape for when a
team calls me. Nobody's calling you. Nobody's gonna call you, do.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
You know you know the phrase of have your cake,
you need it too. Do you know what it means?
Do you know what the real meaning is? I mean,
it's my understanding, and I could be wrong that the
whole meaning of it is you have your cake, and
the cake is beautiful, but as soon as you cut
a piece out of it, it's destroyed. You can see
this beautiful piece of art, So you can have your
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cake and eat it too. In both ways. Well, if
you eat it, it's going to be destroyed, so it's
no longer beautiful. And that's what Colin Kaepernick is saying.
He wants it both ways. He wants it to make
it seem like he wants in the NFL, But really
does he want to go there? No, it's not as
good for business. But if I let people think that
I want to go there, yeah, that's where it's more
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beneficial for him. David's in Missouri. David, Welcome to the
Cavino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Hey guys, big fan, thank you when I heard you
guys mention the story about Kaepernick. I honestly think he
would be a good team, a good coach, but specifically
special teams. I don't want to be too jokingly, but
I think if he could specifically coach the Victory Formation,
show those guys how.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
To take the knee. Oh boy, geez a, David, the jokes,
bringing the jokes. Did you scream that one j taking
a knee? And again and again. Colin Kaepernick took a
knee whor I had no problem with when Nate Boyer
reached the compromise for it with him, Hey, instead of
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just sitting on the bench for the national anthem, let's
take a knee together. But that was completely miscon construed
by so many and then deemed disrespectful. It's a very volatile,
you know, situation that David uses. Do you think Terry
and Mississippi can top this? Are we gonna? Are we gonna?
We're we gonna push this out?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Terry, I don't have any jokes, but I do have
some serious sight. You guys need to have your own
shows and monkey.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Thank you, thanks, Terry. I appreciate you all.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Uh So Colin Kaepernick, I'm a big fan. I think
what he did was right, but I think the SIA
just and fortunately I think he's very happy doing what
he's doing. I agree, so social justice Warrior.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, and he's done a lot of great things. Terry
like like he he does like he does, and he
still can do it. But it's just him trying to
help his own cause by saying, hopefully we can get
some of these NFL owners to open up. They're not
going to. And it's okay if you say you don't
want to coach. If you said, and I want to coach,
I got other things in my life that I want
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to that I want to work with. That we're we're
making a lot of gains, We're we're doing a lot
of stuff. We're doing a lot of good things in
communities around this country. That's where I want to focus
at that. That's fine, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Well, that's kind of what I'm saying, of like you
gotta all right, pick a different lane. Now we've got
we've got to move on. Yes, that's kind of what
I'm saying, whether it's coaching or not, like we just
time has passed, like it's time to move on.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I understand exactly what you're saying. I just don't think
Colin Kaepernick agrees with what you're saying, because Colin Kaepernick says,
if I do that, Manzi, then I'm not as important
and I'm not playing the victim role, if you will,
or having this giving into the NFL like that would
go away, and I think that he feels that it would.
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It would hinder in harm what he is doing or
hurt the value of what he is doing. Right now,
it is better for him to still say seven eight
years later that he is not allowed back in the
National Football League. That is better for him. That is
what he said the Sky Sports again. We just want
to get one of these team owners to open up.
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He didn't even call Jim Harbaugh back again, the coach
that he played for in a Super Bowl wanted him
back in the NFL, not as a player, but as
a coach. If Jim Harbaugh thought Colin Kaepernick would play,
he would say, why don't we sign you as a player,
But he didn't as you wants him as a coach.
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So what Colin Kaepernick says is I'm not going to
call you back. So, but this story is going to
get out there and I'm going to pretend that I
now found this new life that I want to get
back in the NFL. Sorry, that train is way down
the tracks, that time is passed and your point is
he should be on that train going on to life
past football, but it doesn't help where he is right
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now and what he thinks is most important in his life.
That's what's so crazy about this.
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reports that there is some talk around Major League Baseball
that we could see new rules for pitchers MANCI and
those rules would be starting pitchers would be required to
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play a minimum of six innings before being pulled from
the game. There are other circumstances. If you're getting shelled,
you're not going to be forced to stay in and
give up fifteen earned runs until the sixth inning. That's
not gonna happen. You could be pulled after allowing four
earned runs or more if you were over all hundred pitches,
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if there was an injury. But Major League Baseball trying
to bring back the starting pitcher. According to a report
from ESPN.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Major League Baseball is so confused they are on crack.
So let me get this straight. Let me get the straight.
You have been pushing for offense. You took the sticky
stuff away from the pitchers. You've made the game faster
by adding a pitch clock, also affecting the pitchers more
than anybody else. Then there's the whole theory that maybe
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there's a different ball out there, Dan, because those balls
be flying. So the pitchers are doing everything they can
to strike out and not have all of these homers
hit off of their pitches. We see the incline in
Tommy John surgeries. A lot of players, you know, when
the pitch clock first came in, a lot of older
players like Verlander. I think Corbin Burns was one of them.
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That they thought that the older generation of pitchers, we're
gonna be the most affected by that. No No, No River,
Ryan rookie for the Dodgers out Tommy John. He says
it's the pitch clock that he thinks he's having a
hard time with. Baseball is pushing for offense, and now
all of our pitchers are dying left and right, and
you want to implement six innings as a starter. What
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are we doing. It's like they hate the pitchers. I'm
so confused. Remember a couple of weeks ago, I was like,
there is no more. It's dying, reed, we don't have
starting pitching anymore.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I think they should make game six innings. That's what
I really I love Little League Bottom of the sixth,
They're almost done with this bad boy. I'm only half kidding,
by the way, I mean, I don't huh yeah, but
there is the point of just of pitch counts, of
guys being pulled of. I don't like the starter for
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a game. I don't like that. I don't like go
out for one inning and then let's put the other
guy in. I don't love that. I actually think it
hurts the star power of pitching. I mean outside, there
is no more star power in pitching, correct. I think
this could help it.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Right, But you're trying to force it when there's so
many other issues, like, Okay, you're gonna do this, bring
back the sticky stuff for the player, for the pictures,
like they're doing all of these things that hinderers pictures.
But yet now you want to try and force back
the starting picture which you took away.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Well, if they're getting sheld, then they want to have
to go six innings. Jason Stewart, executive producer.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, so those are the caveats, right, So if they're
getting shelled, or if they've thrown a hundred pitches or
oh yeah, there's another caveat. If you're injured, you don't
have to go six in eights, so they'll be nice
to the pictures if they're injured. No, I the premise
is what I like. The premise is like speaking to
me somebody who came up with a game, who's an
old dude who really wants to see these pictures go
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late in the games because it's a lost art. And
the weird thing is is that the less the pitchers
are pitching, the more they're getting injured. Over the years.
It's like, even know what this is, this elevator, but
it's just like, the less they're pitching, the more they're
getting injured. They never used to get injured like this.
Starting pitchers never did. And that's the problem here, is
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that like there needs to be something that kind of
brings the prestige back as they put it to starting
pitchers and making it relevant. And I think the players
Union will sign off on that because that just means
the starting pitchers salaries will go up. But there this
does seem extreme. I don't know how to rule it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'll tell you the problem that I have, And to
Moncey's point about this is, you know, Paul Skin's being
pulled in the seventh this rule doesn't apply to Yeah, no,
you know, so it's so in terms of like saving
the arms or stuff that I would maybe want to
see or see more of Paul Skins if that was
the case. This doesn't have any effect on that whatsoever.
I think he raised good points, Manzi, but I would
(25:51):
rather just I would rather them do away with the starter.
I would rather know who my one through five starters
are and know and I'm going to go watch the
game that Okay, this guy's gonna pitching that day than
this is going to follow through and I'm going to
at least see them, hopefully for six pitches, and it's
not going to be this that I'm totally game for
that sort of old baseball that I'm with. I think
(26:11):
it's just more cosmetic for major League baseball. And to
Jason's point, I get what you're saying about health, but
it would just give me more Okay, all right, major
league baseball. Now we're seeing more of these players, maybe
more of these pitchers we've become accustomed to, because right
now there's not many out there.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I want this to be a thing. Just for the record,
I just think baseball has to make other changes. Like
these pitchers feel the need that they now all of
a sudden have to have a higher spin rate. Yamamoto
was given it an added pitch to his repertoire of
pitches and got injured. These pitchers are feeling the need
(26:48):
to do more than they did before because of the
pitch clock, because of the lack of sticky stuff, and
I really do think some of them feel that the
ball is different, so they're doing all of these other things.
Spin rate. It's such a topic of conversation when it wasn't.
So I am four bringing back you know, these starters
and looking ahead and it's like, oh, who's going to
(27:10):
face Paul's schemes is? I mean, I'm all for that.
We don't have that anymore. But they can't just do
this and leave the other stuff the way it is.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
If this would have been brought up before they took
away the sticky stuff, before they implemented the pitch clock,
would you be good with this this comes up in
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I would yes, because I think that's around the
time where we started seeing oh, analytics, No, you got
to come out of the game. Now you've hit seventy
two pitches. You're about to see Dan Byer for the
third time, we can't have that. That's like around the
time where you started hearing more about that, and so
I think, yeah, it's just all of these other factors
really do matter. And that's what I'm saying, Like, does
(27:53):
baseball hate pictures? I'm very confused.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Brewers did it. I mean, obviously they did it against
the Dodgers and the NLCS years back. I feel like
the Cardinalls started this and maybe like they're the original
of it. But I feel like in the mid two
thousand we're just we started the show and you brought
up the San Francisco Giants in the World Series. I
don't feel like it was an issue then. No, I
don't think that it was a It was a problem
then of having what we've got. So basically from let's
(28:18):
say twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you know, all
the way to ten years later, we've had all these
changes in a short period of time. It does feel
like it's band aid over band aid in trying to
do all these different things to make things better. If
in that ten year period, I I don't mind the
pitch clock for the time of game and the way
(28:40):
that the game moves along but I see what you're saying,
because he in the NFL, there's always stuff for the
how do you get more points? How do you make
it better for the quarterback? And then the defense is like, well,
we can't tackle anybody or hit anybody, and when we do,
we're penalized fifteen yards.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Like, there's this idea that a one zero game sucks,
like baseball wants it to be ten to nine. Yeah, right,
and it's like, no, make it one zero.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Baseball wants it to be ten nine because then you
can have more stars as hitters, right feel And then
but but then again to yeah, the way back machine.
You know, we grew up in an era or a
Kevino and you should say the same thing where Roger
Clemons and Dwight Gooden were the two biggest stars that
you would you know, two of the biggest stars you
would have in Major League baseball, And right now I
(29:24):
don't know who you could say that. We're still hanging
on to the Clayton Kershaw justin Verlanders start.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, you're coal like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Like we're human beings. We haven't evolved that fast. But
for whatever reason, the more specialized baseball has become with pitchers,
and the less least they've pitched, the more injured they've become.
And I'm trying to reconcile that because Nolan Ryan's a
bad example, because he was just a freaking nature. But
you just had pitchers pitching two hundred and fifty Indians
(29:56):
back in the day and pitching for decades and what
was different about the human beings arm then than it
is now like that? That's what it doesn't add up
to me.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I know Tyler glasnow was outspoken about the sticky stuff
m hm, and so you take that away and then
maybe that adds to the injuries. To what River Ryan
was saying with the pitch clock, he feels that it
had that effect. And my point is, and that's why
I bring up the last ten years, is there's been
so many changes in the last ten years that we
have no idea what actually does work and what doesn't
(30:26):
work and what the reasons are in art. But we're
making all of these changes to try to affect something
else where we're not even sure if that actually works
or not.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
The Hollywood Reporter reports that Amazon MGM Studios has green
lighted a movie biopic about legendary Super Bowl winning head
coach and TV analyst John Madden. I want the two
of you to guess who is going to be portraying
John Madden in the movie.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I didn't cheat, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I didn't either, Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I told Mycie my answer in the break, I said,
Vince Vaughan and Moncey.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I have two, but I'm gonna give you one, John
c Riley.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
That's a really good guess, actually, and probably a better
guess than the real person who is playing John Madden.
John Madden will be portrayed by Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Okay, that's it. That's it. I don't know anything anymore
that Duncans.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Was it for Nicholas Nicholas Cage, No, but Moncy John
c Riley would be totally better than Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I thought was a good guest.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
By the way, I throw John Goodman in as well.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
John Goodman. I was thinking Kevin James was my other one.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, you put Sean Payton to a t.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Fact.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
People on social media are saying that Nicholas Cage would
have made a better Al Davis than John Madden.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, absolutely good stuff, Isaac. It's Cay when is this
movie set to be released?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Hopefully never no better, no better perill Win. They haven't said.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
But the guy who's uh producing and directing this thing
that he did Silver Linings, Playbooks, so a fairly big
time a showrunner, a producer, director.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, the Madden documentary that they did is sufficient to me.
I need to see someone playing John Madden. By the way,
what would you focus on, head coach?
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Or apparently the movie is going to focus mostly on
the video game element of it, believe.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
It or not.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Well, that makes no sense. All right, thank you very much,
Isaac Longcron to hit him up at Isac Lohankron.
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Fox Sports Radio. Listen Who's your Who's your Daddy?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Who's your Daddy?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
That segment what do you do with Steve.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We try and stump him, and if you stump him,
then you become his daddy, because he thinks he's everyone's daddy,
you know. So it's it's hard, though to stump him.
This guy really is annoying.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
He is so is the Encyclopedia of Knowledge.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
It is annoying, and we try with.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Like he's annoying, but the show is great. That's how
many times has has he tried to ruin your game?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
There? Dan easy as one.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Two, three, all the time. We banned Shay from the
show because he cheated with Hartman.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yes, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, she's not coming up with what was it the
Saint Louis Uh?
Speaker 3 (34:50):
It was the Saint Louis Hawks in nineteen, like fifty
eight was the answer.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Yeah, she's brilliant, not really enough to come up.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
With that on No, No, by the way, it allows
me and I'm glad you brought that up. Chris, Carrie
Rhodes and I will be with you on Sunday afternoon, Yes,
five o'clock Eastern to Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Football
season is here. We've got our great bet MGM shows
coming up on the weekend, So super excited for that.
But Carrie and I were a little earlier in the
day on Sunday. Now this weekend we'll move to five
(35:21):
o'clock eastern to Pacific.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Are you going to have Tyreek Hill on your show
and call the game? I am your daddy.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
He would know he really is everyone's daddy.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Hartman is metaphorically everyone's daddy.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
But still looks young, looks like absolutely vampire. Yes, yeah,
cheating with the hair, yeah, he and.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The Kardashians do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I have to get to this because this is something
that popped up a couple of weeks ago. Montie and
I were about to do a show and I was
talking about text messages I received from someone, and then
you showed me. You showed me a text message from
this person. Yes, and their lines were like they wrote
(36:12):
like manci like five set in paragraphs in their text,
and I would get like two word responses, And so
I started to become paranoid because I'm like, Wow, this
person just doesn't give me the light of day. And
I hate texting. I don't like it. I would much
rather call you up on the phone, talk to you
(36:32):
for five minutes, and that'd be the conversation. And the
reason I'm bringing this up is because I'm just wondering
if I'm missing the real reason for texting, because I
now text the way I would talk on the phone. Hey,
how you doing, wondering if you are available this Monday?
Like to do a whole thing, and then I would
get a response yep, good, And I would completely take
(36:55):
offense to it because I put in a lot of
time and I just want to know, am I am
I not understanding what texting is really about? Do I
need to take all emotion out of this one, just
generally texting.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
So I think that is the smart and healthy way
for everyone to approach texting. Take the emotions out of
it for many many reasons, including that like you, I
just wrought you a whole paragraph and you have that
feature that says red and then you don't respond, rude,
you don't talking about like I have friends that have that,
(37:30):
and like, okay, well you read it, are you going
to respond to me? And then I get mad and
they're like, I'm sorry, I was at work, I was
doing this, I was doing that. So I think that's
the smart way for all of us to approach texting.
Take the emotions out of it. You also don't know
how someone's feeling. If you're shining with someone and you
send the text message, I think you're yelling at me,
(37:51):
and then you're like, no, I'm not mad.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I just I probably use exclamation points more than anything.
But I want to point out something that Jason Stewart
said when I said, yeah, Mancie's getting like five or
six lines from this person, and Jason's like, and I
go and I don't. I hardly get anything. And Jason goes,
that's because she's a girl.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Of course in this situation.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yes, yeah, that's totally the truth in life.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
But is that is that? Is that?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Like? That's not that person's not hitting on Mancy. It's
just like they're being so like now I became paranoid
because I text long and I'm like, okay, now are
all these people thinking I'm hitting on them like they're
females because I'm texting Longer.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's not that it's not that he's hitting on her,
but he very much wants to keep the door open
in case something were to come up down the way.
It's it's a very long game, very long game.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
The long con it was just I just I am like,
I think I'm missing the game and I understand it,
like I hate it. Like family members, I'm like, i'd
rather talk to you. My sister's like, well, just send
me a text.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I don't think you're alone in these feelings, though, I
think we've all been there at times. I just sent
you a really long, sweet message. You responded with a
thumbs up.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Get the ADI people hit the thumbs up. I'll tell
you where I can get in confused haha or exclamation
points if it's funny. I feel I should do both.
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Jason Stewart's here, Chris Purfets our technical producer, and Isaac
Lohincron giving us the latest at the news desk. He'll
be with us at the bottom of the hour, plus
if any news breaks. This was news within the last
twenty four hours that Colin Kaepernick was approached by his
former coach in the NFL, Jim Harbaugh, about joining the
Los Angeles Chargers as an assistant coach. In fact, Harbaugh
(01:32):
telling USA Today that they spoke in January, talked a
little bit about it, and then talks kind of didn't
go anywhere and that was that. But Harbaugh did say
that he believes it believes that Kaepernick would be a
great coach if he ever wanted to be a head coach,
and never really got back to him on the possibilities
(01:54):
of joining Jim Harbaugh staff Colin Kaepernick back in the
NFL as a head coach. He's says no, And I
think that there's a reason why he said no, and
it's not because he doesn't want to coach. But Manzi,
I also think it's not because he wants to play again,
(02:16):
and it contradicts the words that he told the Sky
Sports saying, quote, we're still training, still pushing, so hopefully
we've just got to get one of these team owners
to open up. And this is a difficult conversation because
when you talk about Colin Kaepernick, that's obviously a polarizing topic.
(02:40):
And while I was sided with Colin Kaepernick early on,
I didn't think NFL owners wanted to bring him in.
I don't think anybody did. I think they colluded to
not bring him in. Maybe seems that way, but the
fact is is NFL owners are not willing to take
certain risks. They just aren't NBA owners, maybe more so
(03:02):
not NFL owners. And unfortunately, the risk that they felt
that he was taking, whether he sided with him or
didn't side with him, the NFL owners felt that it
wasn't going to be good for their business at what
he could provide for their team. There was no reason
for Colin Kaepernick to not at least have a tryout
six years ago for an NFL team. There was no
(03:24):
reason for that not to happen, to have a tryout,
to go work out for a team. Ultimately, he did
go and speak with the Seahawks, talked with the Baltimore
Ravens never ended up signing with a team. There was
a point where how the workout in Atlanta was going
to show off his skills. Then they had to change
sites and made it very difficult. Colin Kaepernick. Right now,
(03:46):
in the best interest of Colin Kaepernick is to not
go back to the NFL in any sort of capacity.
It's better for Colin Kaepernick to say that I want
to still play in the NFL than it is to
actually play in the NFL, actually coach in the National
Football League. He is in a better spot right now
to say, hey, I still want to get back. Hopefully
(04:07):
owners will let me in. What team is going to
sign Colin Kaepernick when he hasn't played since twenty sixteen.
He's gonna be thirty seven years old in December. This
ship is so far sailed, but he allows this narrative
to keep out there that he still wants to play.
And if you I understand not wanting to cross the
line to coach, but if your own former coach is
(04:31):
asking you to coach and not be the backup quarterback,
the one coach that believed in you, that made you
the star. If he's asking you to coach and not
be a player that probably tells you that your playing
career is over.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, it's time for him to move on from the
idea that he is going to play because in reality,
like you just said, his skill was not worth the
risk because of his skill set was higher. It would
have been worth the risk for some owners, but it
wasn't at the time. How long ago did you say
this was?
Speaker 3 (05:02):
He hasn't played in an NFL game since twenty sixteen.
It is time twenty sixteen season.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
It really is time to move on. And I actually
think if he wants to go back and work in
the NFL in some capacity, he's got to take this
opportunity now. Like, you can't keep pushing things aside, because
then people are really going to just be like, you
know what, forget it. I can't take you seriously if
you're here telling me you still want to play now,
do you want to work in the NFL? Do you
want to help a team out?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
But in the.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Capacity of a coach, Like he can't keep doing this
because he's really going to alienate himself more than he
already has, which I thought was unfair the way you
know he was alienated. But we've got we have got
to move on. I mentioned it. I mean like Joe
Flacco ruined a lot of people because all these all
these guys now think they can come off the couch
and play. Joe Flacco is responsible for this feeling that
(05:52):
maybe Colin Kaepernick is a feeling right now, but he
has got to move on. There's you're not gonna play
the problem.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And again, the problem with him moving on is that
it changes the narrative of who Colin Kaepernick is.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I think it completely does. If you were to go
back into the NFL, into the league that you feel
turned its back on you and blackballed you, to go
in as a coach, to wear NFL gear, to wear
that logo, it seems like you are giving up what
you've done. Colin Kaepernick has done a lot of good,
a lot of good as Colin Kaepernick, the former NFL
(06:31):
football player. But if you go back across that line,
for Colin Kaepernick, I feel like he's giving in. He's
saying right now, he's positioning himself as a guy who
wants to get back into the league, and that's actually
where he has made his most growth. If you will
to be able to do these things. If he goes
back to the NFL in any capacity, even if it
(06:54):
is a player, which doesn't seem right. If he goes
back to the NFL, he is giving into being and
I'm using the air quotes here Colin Kaepernick, because it
is now a different It's not Colin Kaepernick the football player.
It's Colin Kaepernick the person, the activist, everything that comes
with it. And that would be in jeopardy if he
ended up crossing the line and being a head coach
(07:14):
or being a player in the league.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
But the reason I disagree with you is that he
has been trying to get back in the league the
entire time.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
He has appeared. That he's tried to get back.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
He has said that, and like he's still saying it,
that he's in shape. So he's been willing to cross
the line. Now, does he think he deserves an X
amount of money which is why he's never crossed the line.
That's a separate conversation. But to say that if he
does it now, he's giving in to me, he was
willing to give in years ago.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I think at one point, yes, yeah, I don't think
that's the case now. I think at one point he
wanted to get back into the NFL. There was no
team that would give him an opportunity, and the opportunity
that they may have provided him, whether it be in
Seattle or being Baltimore, wasn't enough for him to think
that it was worth it. Carol, I remember saying, like
(08:01):
he's a starter in this league. Like this guy is
a starter in this league. He very well could have
backed up Russell Wilson during that time in Seattle. Does
Colin Kaepernick want to be a backup? Colin Kaepernick was
offered reportedly, and I had been told differently more money,
but was reportedly offered twenty million dollars to join an
(08:22):
alternative football league that played in the spring a few
years ago, because it would have launched that league. It
was the Alliance League, remember that Alliance Football League. There
were reports that they had offered him twenty million dollars
to play in that league, to be the face of
that league. Twenty million dollars. It's a lot to you,
it's a lot to me. But Colin Kaepernick said no,
did not want to join that league because guess what,
(08:44):
it probably wasn't worth twenty million dollars or the amount
of money that was around him probably would have done
him some good to show look at what I still
can do. Sometimes there's more power in not knowing and
being where you are. And it's I used to an
analogy that is probably going to be lost on many people.
(09:05):
And I don't watch the show, but vander Pump Rules
had a whole season where the whole storyline in the
finale was how Tom Sandoval cheated on Ariana and how
arian is the victim. You know who Arianni is because
she was on Dancing with the Song, She's hosting a
reality TV show, She's doing all of these things. Then
(09:28):
the next season of vander Pump Rules that comes along.
I love the Housewives, I love New Jersey, I love
Beverly Hills, Orange County. I love the Housewives franchise. I
don't watch vander Pump Rules, but I saw enough of
promos and clips of people like when are you going
to move on? Instead of just always bringing up being
cheated on? And there's more power in that. There's more power.
(09:49):
So you're Colin Kaeperdick. Being Colin Kaepernick right now is
the most powerful position that you can be in. Being
coach Colin Kaepernick is not as powerful being player, color
Bernicker saying that you want to be player. Colin Kaepernick
is more powerful than anything. Even though there isn't an
NFL team that is going to give the guy a
chance in his mid to late thirties that hasn't played
(10:10):
since twenty sixteen. It's just not realistic.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
But what is that power? He's not What is the power?
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Because it looks he is still a victim in those eyes.
He listen, there's more power to it. Anthony Kim, a
professional golfer that played at Live Golf now plays at
Live Golf, disappeared for the PGA Tour because if he
would have played for a decade, he likely would have
(10:38):
lost the insurance policy that he would have cashed in.
So he moved away, and everybody's like, where's Anthony Kim?
Where's Anthony Kim? It was more beneficial for him to
be away and cash in to go and compete in
golf and play. That was the decision that he made.
I'm not comparing it to Colin Kaepernick, but what I'm
saying is the obvious choices, Yeah, why don't you go
out and play professional golfer where he was at the time,
(10:58):
and there are some stuff going on in his life
that didn't work out. But if he would have teed
it up in any event that everybody wanted him to
tee up in, he would have washed away whatever insurance
money he would have gotten. So it was more beneficial
for him to stay in that position. I feel like
he's more beneficial to stay in this position now as
the quarterback that is still trying to get into the league,
who after missing seven years of NFL football is like,
(11:21):
I want back in. No one is.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Right, and so so much time has passed. I feel
like Colin Kaepernick is at a point in his life
where it's like, Okay, do I keep this position of
Colin Kaepernick the guy who was black bald? Or do
I actually kind of want to move on from it,
reassess what I'm going to do with my life moving
forward and go coach in the NFL. I just like,
(11:47):
why would he want to keep this this Colin Kaepernick,
the guy who was blackballed? Like, why would you want
that to keep going?
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Because I feel that there's a part of the audience
that will always gravitate to that.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Okay, So that audience, right is the audience that knows
about it that lived through it, the new incoming fan base,
they're gonna be like what mine as well become an
NFL coach.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
And then nobody's gonna know him if he's in, Like
the new fans are not going to understand who he is, right,
so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
But eventually, you know what I'm saying, those people are
gonna phase out, like that storyline will phase out. So
if you want, all I'm saying is if Colin Kaepernick
wants to somehow be back in the NFL, this is
how he has to do it.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
If he doesn't, then he needs to just stop saying
that he wants to play it that it wants to
then we need to just like move on from that.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
I think he's more interested in being Colin Kaepernick social
justice pioneer, and that's where he is at his highest
Jason Stewart, Executive Producer.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
That's exactly what I was going to say. That's that's
where his business is at, that's where his relevance is at.
There's a large portion of our population that supports him
for that and will continue to do that, and it's
a way for him to keep pushing the cause him
like putting out there that he's going to do a
tryout for the Raiders I think a couple of years ago.
(13:03):
And then that whole thing with the Jets where he
wrote a letter to the Jets GM saying I'll come
and beyond your practice squad that went nowhere. These are
just ways of interjecting himself into the news so that
we could be reminded that Colin Kaepernick was blackballed by
the NFL. Why was he blackpied by the NFL? Then
you google his name, Oh, police brutality. Then you go
(13:24):
down this rabbit hole and figure and find the cause.
Like that is the relevance for him. He doesn't want
to play again, but he wants to keep poking so
that he stays in the news. That's what this sounds like.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
That's and that was the quote that he when he
said the Sky Sports, We've just got to get one
of these team owners to open up. They're past this.
This is this is this is old this. He also
sued the league and they ended up, you know, reaching
a settlement on it. So that's probably not the greatest
move for it, but again, he had every right to.
I do feel he was blackball No one would give
(13:57):
him a tryout. There's five quarterbacks for every team. I know,
five quarterbacks don't make a team, but when you're talking
about tryouts, when you're talking about camps, so you're talking
about mini camps, that's five quarterbacks for what thirty two
teams in the NFL, one hundred and sixty opportunities and
he wasn't getting one of those. That was complete BS
at the time, it was totally BS by the NFL,
(14:18):
but NFL owners felt it wasn't worth what they termed
a risk. There are people who don't think it was
a risk at all because they're on one side, and
I agree with that. I know that fans, some fans
would have a backlash if you would have signed with
their team. I was all for Colin Kaepernick at that time,
but we're also at a different time right now. Realistically,
what player has been away from the league this long
(14:39):
and is saying I'm still trying to get back in
what and at the quarterback position, like you mentioned Joe Flacco,
and you're right, there are people who think, like, hey,
look look at what Joe Flacco can do. And Joe
Flacco and Colin Kaepernick played in that same Super Bowl,
but Joe Flacco was on the couch for less than
a year. He went back into the NFL. He was
playing for the Jets the year, so there wasn't as
(15:02):
much rust from a guy who, by the way, made
his money with his legs. Like that's that's the reason
that made Colin Kaepernick so dangerous as a football player
is what he could do speed wise. There are no
there are no mobile thirty seven year old quarterbacks in
the NFL. They don't exist. And that's what Colin Kaepernick
would be if you were to play in the NFL
this year.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
So he can't keep saying that he's trying to play
in the NFL like it's gonna be more of a
joke every single time. So he's got to move on
from that. That's my whole point. Now, you're right that
he probably shouldn't be a coach, But I'm just saying, like,
if you do want to get back in this league,
this is your way to do it, because you can't
just ride this other train of I'm gonna keep, you know,
(15:45):
practicing and being ready and in shape for when a
team calls me. Nobody's calling you. Nobody's gonna call you, do.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
You know you know the phrase of have your cake,
you need it too. Do you know what it means?
Do you know what the real meaning is? I mean,
it's my understanding, and I could be wrong that the
whole meaning of it is you have your cake, and
the cake is beautiful, but as soon as you cut
a piece out of it, it's destroyed. You can see
this beautiful piece of art, So you can have your
(16:10):
cake and eat it too. In both ways. Well, if
you eat it, it's going to be destroyed, so it's
no longer beautiful. And that's what Colin Kaepernick is saying.
He wants it both ways. He wants it to make
it seem like he wants in the NFL, But really
does he want to go there? No, it's not as
good for business. But if I let people think that
I want to go there, yeah, that's where it's more
(16:32):
beneficial for him. David's in Missouri. David, Welcome to the
Cavino and Rich here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Hey guys, big fan, thank you when I heard you
guys mention the story about Kaepernick. I honestly think he
would be a good team, a good coach, but specifically
special teams. I don't want to be too jokingly, but
I think if he could specifically coach the Victory Formation,
show those guys how.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
To take the knee. Oh boy, geez a, David, the jokes,
bringing the jokes. Did you scream that one j taking
a knee? And again and again. Colin Kaepernick took a
knee whor I had no problem with when Nate Boyer
reached the compromise for it with him, Hey, instead of
(17:18):
just sitting on the bench for the national anthem, let's
take a knee together. But that was completely miscon construed
by so many and then deemed disrespectful. It's a very volatile,
you know, situation that David uses. Do you think Terry
and Mississippi can top this? Are we gonna? Are we gonna?
We're we gonna push this out?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
Terry, I don't have any jokes, but I do have
some serious sight. You guys need to have your own
shows and monkey.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Thank you, thanks, Terry. I appreciate you all.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
Uh So Colin Kaepernick, I'm a big fan. I think
what he did was right, but I think the SIA
just and fortunately I think he's very happy doing what
he's doing. I agree, so social justice Warrior.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yeah, and he's done a lot of great things. Terry
like like he he does like he does, and he
still can do it. But it's just him trying to
help his own cause by saying, hopefully we can get
some of these NFL owners to open up. They're not
going to. And it's okay if you say you don't
want to coach. If you said, and I want to coach,
I got other things in my life that I want
(18:32):
to that I want to work with. That we're we're
making a lot of gains, We're we're doing a lot
of stuff. We're doing a lot of good things in
communities around this country. That's where I want to focus
at that. That's fine, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Well, that's kind of what I'm saying, of like you
gotta all right, pick a different lane. Now we've got
we've got to move on. Yes, that's kind of what
I'm saying, whether it's coaching or not, like we just
time has passed, like it's time to move on.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
I understand exactly what you're saying. I just don't think
Colin Kaepernick agrees with what you're saying, because Colin Kaepernick says,
if I do that, Manzi, then I'm not as important
and I'm not playing the victim role, if you will,
or having this giving into the NFL like that would
go away, and I think that he feels that it would.
(19:19):
It would hinder in harm what he is doing or
hurt the value of what he is doing. Right now,
it is better for him to still say seven eight
years later that he is not allowed back in the
National Football League. That is better for him. That is
what he said the Sky Sports again. We just want
to get one of these team owners to open up.
(19:41):
He didn't even call Jim Harbaugh back again, the coach
that he played for in a Super Bowl wanted him
back in the NFL, not as a player, but as
a coach. If Jim Harbaugh thought Colin Kaepernick would play,
he would say, why don't we sign you as a player,
But he didn't as you wants him as a coach.
(20:01):
So what Colin Kaepernick says is I'm not going to
call you back. So, but this story is going to
get out there and I'm going to pretend that I
now found this new life that I want to get
back in the NFL. Sorry, that train is way down
the tracks, that time is passed and your point is
he should be on that train going on to life
past football, but it doesn't help where he is right
(20:24):
now and what he thinks is most important in his life.
That's what's so crazy about this.
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that we could see new rules for pitchers MANCI and
those rules would be starting pitchers would be required to
(21:44):
play a minimum of six innings before being pulled from
the game. There are other circumstances. If you're getting shelled,
you're not going to be forced to stay in and
give up fifteen earned runs until the sixth inning. That's
not gonna happen. You could be pulled after allowing four
earned runs or more if you were over all hundred pitches,
(22:06):
if there was an injury. But Major League Baseball trying
to bring back the starting pitcher. According to a report
from ESPN.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Major League Baseball is so confused they are on crack.
So let me get this straight. Let me get the straight.
You have been pushing for offense. You took the sticky
stuff away from the pitchers. You've made the game faster
by adding a pitch clock, also affecting the pitchers more
than anybody else. Then there's the whole theory that maybe
(22:36):
there's a different ball out there, Dan, because those balls
be flying. So the pitchers are doing everything they can
to strike out and not have all of these homers
hit off of their pitches. We see the incline in
Tommy John surgeries. A lot of players, you know, when
the pitch clock first came in, a lot of older
players like Verlander. I think Corbin Burns was one of them.
(22:57):
That they thought that the older generation of pitchers, we're
gonna be the most affected by that. No No, No River,
Ryan rookie for the Dodgers out Tommy John. He says
it's the pitch clock that he thinks he's having a
hard time with. Baseball is pushing for offense, and now
all of our pitchers are dying left and right, and
you want to implement six innings as a starter. What
(23:21):
are we doing. It's like they hate the pitchers. I'm
so confused. Remember a couple of weeks ago, I was like,
there is no more. It's dying, reed, we don't have
starting pitching anymore.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I think they should make game six innings. That's what
I really I love Little League Bottom of the sixth,
They're almost done with this bad boy. I'm only half kidding,
by the way, I mean, I don't huh yeah, but
there is the point of just of pitch counts, of
guys being pulled of. I don't like the starter for
(23:50):
a game. I don't like that. I don't like go
out for one inning and then let's put the other
guy in. I don't love that. I actually think it
hurts the star power of pitching. I mean outside, there
is no more star power in pitching, correct. I think
this could help it.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Right, But you're trying to force it when there's so
many other issues, like, Okay, you're gonna do this, bring
back the sticky stuff for the player, for the pictures,
like they're doing all of these things that hinderers pictures.
But yet now you want to try and force back
the starting picture which you took away.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Well, if they're getting sheld, then they want to have
to go six innings. Jason Stewart, executive producer.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, so those are the caveats, right, So if they're
getting shelled, or if they've thrown a hundred pitches or
oh yeah, there's another caveat. If you're injured, you don't
have to go six in eights, so they'll be nice
to the pictures if they're injured. No, I the premise
is what I like. The premise is like speaking to
me somebody who came up with a game, who's an
old dude who really wants to see these pictures go
(24:48):
late in the games because it's a lost art. And
the weird thing is is that the less the pitchers
are pitching, the more they're getting injured. Over the years.
It's like, even know what this is, this elevator, but
it's just like, the less they're pitching, the more they're
getting injured. They never used to get injured like this.
Starting pitchers never did. And that's the problem here, is
(25:11):
that like there needs to be something that kind of
brings the prestige back as they put it to starting
pitchers and making it relevant. And I think the players
Union will sign off on that because that just means
the starting pitchers salaries will go up. But there this
does seem extreme. I don't know how to rule it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I'll tell you the problem that I have, And to
Moncey's point about this is, you know, Paul Skin's being
pulled in the seventh this rule doesn't apply to Yeah, no,
you know, so it's so in terms of like saving
the arms or stuff that I would maybe want to
see or see more of Paul Skins if that was
the case. This doesn't have any effect on that whatsoever.
I think he raised good points, Manzi, but I would
(25:51):
rather just I would rather them do away with the starter.
I would rather know who my one through five starters
are and know and I'm going to go watch the
game that Okay, this guy's gonna pitching that day than
this is going to follow through and I'm going to
at least see them, hopefully for six pitches, and it's
not going to be this that I'm totally game for
that sort of old baseball that I'm with. I think
(26:11):
it's just more cosmetic for major League baseball. And to
Jason's point, I get what you're saying about health, but
it would just give me more Okay, all right, major
league baseball. Now we're seeing more of these players, maybe
more of these pitchers we've become accustomed to, because right
now there's not many out there.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I want this to be a thing. Just for the record,
I just think baseball has to make other changes. Like
these pitchers feel the need that they now all of
a sudden have to have a higher spin rate. Yamamoto
was given it an added pitch to his repertoire of
pitches and got injured. These pitchers are feeling the need
(26:48):
to do more than they did before because of the
pitch clock, because of the lack of sticky stuff, and
I really do think some of them feel that the
ball is different, so they're doing all of these other things.
Spin rate. It's such a topic of conversation when it wasn't.
So I am four bringing back you know, these starters
and looking ahead and it's like, oh, who's going to
(27:10):
face Paul's schemes is? I mean, I'm all for that.
We don't have that anymore. But they can't just do
this and leave the other stuff the way it is.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
If this would have been brought up before they took
away the sticky stuff, before they implemented the pitch clock,
would you be good with this this comes up in
twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Yeah, I would yes, because I think that's around the
time where we started seeing oh, analytics, No, you got
to come out of the game. Now you've hit seventy
two pitches. You're about to see Dan Byer for the
third time, we can't have that. That's like around the
time where you started hearing more about that, and so
I think, yeah, it's just all of these other factors
really do matter. And that's what I'm saying, Like, does
(27:53):
baseball hate pictures? I'm very confused.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Brewers did it. I mean, obviously they did it against
the Dodgers and the NLCS years back. I feel like
the Cardinalls started this and maybe like they're the original
of it. But I feel like in the mid two
thousand we're just we started the show and you brought
up the San Francisco Giants in the World Series. I
don't feel like it was an issue then. No, I
don't think that it was a It was a problem
then of having what we've got. So basically from let's
(28:18):
say twenty fifteen, twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, you know, all
the way to ten years later, we've had all these
changes in a short period of time. It does feel
like it's band aid over band aid in trying to
do all these different things to make things better. If
in that ten year period, I I don't mind the
pitch clock for the time of game and the way
(28:40):
that the game moves along but I see what you're saying,
because he in the NFL, there's always stuff for the
how do you get more points? How do you make
it better for the quarterback? And then the defense is like, well,
we can't tackle anybody or hit anybody, and when we do,
we're penalized fifteen yards.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Like, there's this idea that a one zero game sucks,
like baseball wants it to be ten to nine. Yeah, right,
and it's like, no, make it one zero.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Baseball wants it to be ten nine because then you
can have more stars as hitters, right feel And then
but but then again to yeah, the way back machine.
You know, we grew up in an era or a
Kevino and you should say the same thing where Roger
Clemons and Dwight Gooden were the two biggest stars that
you would you know, two of the biggest stars you
would have in Major League baseball, And right now I
(29:24):
don't know who you could say that. We're still hanging
on to the Clayton Kershaw justin Verlanders start.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, you're coal like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Like we're human beings. We haven't evolved that fast. But
for whatever reason, the more specialized baseball has become with pitchers,
and the less least they've pitched, the more injured they've become.
And I'm trying to reconcile that because Nolan Ryan's a
bad example, because he was just a freaking nature. But
you just had pitchers pitching two hundred and fifty Indians
(29:56):
back in the day and pitching for decades and what
was different about the human beings arm then than it
is now like that? That's what it doesn't add up
to me.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
I know Tyler glasnow was outspoken about the sticky stuff
m hm, and so you take that away and then
maybe that adds to the injuries. To what River Ryan
was saying with the pitch clock, he feels that it
had that effect. And my point is, and that's why
I bring up the last ten years, is there's been
so many changes in the last ten years that we
have no idea what actually does work and what doesn't
(30:26):
work and what the reasons are in art. But we're
making all of these changes to try to affect something
else where we're not even sure if that actually works
or not.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
The Hollywood Reporter reports that Amazon MGM Studios has green
lighted a movie biopic about legendary Super Bowl winning head
coach and TV analyst John Madden. I want the two
of you to guess who is going to be portraying
John Madden in the movie.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I didn't cheat, you didn't.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I didn't either, Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I told Mycie my answer in the break, I said,
Vince Vaughan and Moncey.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I have two, but I'm gonna give you one, John
c Riley.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
That's a really good guess, actually, and probably a better
guess than the real person who is playing John Madden.
John Madden will be portrayed by Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Okay, that's it. That's it. I don't know anything anymore
that Duncans.
Speaker 7 (31:29):
Was it for Nicholas Nicholas Cage, No, but Moncy John
c Riley would be totally better than Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
I thought was a good guest.
Speaker 7 (31:42):
Nicholas Cage.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
By the way, I throw John Goodman in as well.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
John Goodman. I was thinking Kevin James was my other one.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, you put Sean Payton to a t.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Fact.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
People on social media are saying that Nicholas Cage would
have made a better Al Davis than John Madden.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah, absolutely good stuff, Isaac. It's Cay when is this
movie set to be released?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Hopefully never no better, no better perill Win. They haven't said.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
But the guy who's uh producing and directing this thing
that he did Silver Linings, Playbooks, so a fairly big
time a showrunner, a producer, director.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Yeah, the Madden documentary that they did is sufficient to me.
I need to see someone playing John Madden. By the way,
what would you focus on, head coach?
Speaker 7 (32:32):
Or apparently the movie is going to focus mostly on
the video game element of it, believe.
Speaker 5 (32:37):
It or not.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Well, that makes no sense. All right, thank you very much,
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Who's your Daddy?
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That segment what do you do with Steve.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
We try and stump him, and if you stump him,
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you know. So it's it's hard, though to stump him.
This guy really is annoying.
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He is so is the Encyclopedia of Knowledge.
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It is annoying, and we try with.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Like he's annoying, but the show is great. That's how
many times has has he tried to ruin your game?
Speaker 4 (34:40):
There? Dan easy as one.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Two, three, all the time. We banned Shay from the
show because he cheated with Hartman.
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Yes, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, she's not coming up with what was it the
Saint Louis Uh?
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It was the Saint Louis Hawks in nineteen, like fifty
eight was the answer.
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Yeah, she's brilliant, not really enough to come up.
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With that on No, No, by the way, it allows
me and I'm glad you brought that up. Chris, Carrie
Rhodes and I will be with you on Sunday afternoon, Yes,
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But Carrie and I were a little earlier in the
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Are you going to have Tyreek Hill on your show
and call the game? I am your daddy.
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He would know he really is everyone's daddy.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Hartman is metaphorically everyone's daddy.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
But still looks young, looks like absolutely vampire. Yes, yeah,
cheating with the hair, yeah, he and.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
The Kardashians do the same thing.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I have to get to this because this is something
that popped up a couple of weeks ago. Montie and
I were about to do a show and I was
talking about text messages I received from someone, and then
you showed me. You showed me a text message from
this person. Yes, and their lines were like they wrote
(36:12):
like manci like five set in paragraphs in their text,
and I would get like two word responses, And so
I started to become paranoid because I'm like, Wow, this
person just doesn't give me the light of day. And
I hate texting. I don't like it. I would much
rather call you up on the phone, talk to you
(36:32):
for five minutes, and that'd be the conversation. And the
reason I'm bringing this up is because I'm just wondering
if I'm missing the real reason for texting, because I
now text the way I would talk on the phone. Hey,
how you doing, wondering if you are available this Monday?
Like to do a whole thing, and then I would
get a response yep, good, And I would completely take
(36:55):
offense to it because I put in a lot of
time and I just want to know, am I am
I not understanding what texting is really about? Do I
need to take all emotion out of this one, just
generally texting.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
So I think that is the smart and healthy way
for everyone to approach texting. Take the emotions out of
it for many many reasons, including that like you, I
just wrought you a whole paragraph and you have that
feature that says red and then you don't respond, rude,
you don't talking about like I have friends that have that,
(37:30):
and like, okay, well you read it, are you going
to respond to me? And then I get mad and
they're like, I'm sorry, I was at work, I was
doing this, I was doing that. So I think that's
the smart way for all of us to approach texting.
Take the emotions out of it. You also don't know
how someone's feeling. If you're shining with someone and you
send the text message, I think you're yelling at me,
(37:51):
and then you're like, no, I'm not mad.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
I just I probably use exclamation points more than anything.
But I want to point out something that Jason Stewart
said when I said, yeah, Mancie's getting like five or
six lines from this person, and Jason's like, and I
go and I don't. I hardly get anything. And Jason goes,
that's because she's a girl.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Of course in this situation.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Yes, yeah, that's totally the truth in life.
Speaker 3 (38:17):
But is that is that? Is that?
Speaker 5 (38:19):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Like? That's not that person's not hitting on Mancy. It's
just like they're being so like now I became paranoid
because I text long and I'm like, okay, now are
all these people thinking I'm hitting on them like they're
females because I'm texting Longer.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
It's not that it's not that he's hitting on her,
but he very much wants to keep the door open
in case something were to come up down the way.
It's it's a very long game, very long game.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
The long con it was just I just I am like,
I think I'm missing the game and I understand it,
like I hate it. Like family members, I'm like, i'd
rather talk to you. My sister's like, well, just send
me a text.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I don't think you're alone in these feelings, though, I
think we've all been there at times. I just sent
you a really long, sweet message. You responded with a
thumbs up.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Get the ADI people hit the thumbs up. I'll tell
you where I can get in confused haha or exclamation
points if it's funny. I feel I should do both.
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