December 30, 2025 • 34 mins
Dan and Monse in for C&R as they share the story about a complaining fan at a Clippers game. Dan and Monse discuss the NFL MVP race. Plus, Dan and Monse choose the best story in the NFL this year.
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Speaker 3 (01:11):
So Dan, let's get right into it.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Because I woke up to someone tweeting at us.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Jason was part of the tweet as well.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
It came from John Grace, who also included Cavino and
Rich for this and Danny G love it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, so all of us were included in this.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
And John Grace just kind of retweeted a post of
a NBA fan, specifically a Pistons fan, who went to
the recent Clippers Pistons game and purchased.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Floor seats on the side of the wall.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Where the Clippers, since opening the doors to Into It Dome,
trying to create an atmosphere that is their own, said
we're going to have a wall a side of the
arena that is supposed to give you a college at
sphere where college students go and cheer like you see
in you know, in college games, whether it's football or basketball.
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From the beginning, this is something that they advertised. I
am a Clippers fan. I have been to several games
that Into It Dom and I have sat on the
side of the wall zero times. Because you have to
be engaged, and you got to be like a fan
and doing it the whole way.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And it's all that I'm not a fan.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I just sometimes want to just sit and sip on
my beer and watch and chill out. And you have
to be on it, you know, like you're there when
they're shooting free throws and they give you props so
that you are engaged and you are a part of this.
And so when they show you on screen, you can
see the wall. It is called the wall. It is
from top to bottom. When you purchase a ticket, it
says you will be sitting on the wall. That means
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you cannot wear opposing team's gear, you cannot cheer for
the opposing team.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
You sit on the wall.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You are a Clippers fan, and you have to do
it for the entire forty eight minutes, if not more
if there's overtime. Apparently this gentleman bought floor seats and
was very upset disappointed, I understandably so that he couldn't
show off his Grant Hill Pistons jersey and cheer for
the team at into it don't and it's caused, you know,
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a discourse on Twitter X and I looked through this
guy's tweet and he keeps he shows a picture because
when you sit on the wall, I guess if you
maybe take off your shirt and you're showing that.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You are a Pistons fan, that's the team that they
were playing.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
They give you a sheet or maybe it's on the
seat when you sit down. I've never sat on the wall.
I'm telling you, guys, because.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
The pressure of cheering for forty eight minutes is a lot.
They give you a little note that says you are
sitting on the wall. This is a responsibility for sitting
on the wall. So he wasn't allowed to show his jersey,
he wasn't allowed to cheer for the Pistons. He was
really really mad and said that someone should.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Have told him.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And he keeps putting screenshots of his ticket. Well, yeah, puppy,
on your ticket. It doesn't tell you. But I know
when I buy tickets for something and it says you
want this seat, there's an obstructive view.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
You want this seat. It doesn't come with this. You
want this seat, it tells you when you purchase your tickets.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And so I feel like, unfortunately for this guy, you
just didn't pay attention to what you purchased. And it
sucks that you bought floor seats that are thousands of
dollars and you didn't sit at the top of the wall,
which is like twenty bucks to sit at the very top.
It really does suck, But you just didn't know what
you were purchasing. You did not cross your t's and
dot your eyes.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I find it's so rich that a fan of an
opposing team in Los Angeles now take out the Dodgers
and take out the Lakers. But what happens at so
far when the forty nine Ers come to town to
face the Rams, it's a faithful forty nine Er takeover, right.
I was surprised to see how many Chargers fans compared
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to the Texans fans there were at the game, and
we went to on Saturday where I listen. I've seen
the screenshots. I know when Denver comes to town, how
much orange there is. I know how much silver and
blacks in the crowd. When the Raiders come and play
the Chargers, there were a lot of Chargers fans there.
There weren't as many Texans fans there, and I think
that was because of the new team. However, when you
talk about NFL fan people say, well, Charger fans don't
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show up to the game. So here you have an
organization a block away that is deciding to take matters
into their own hands to try to change a narrative
and give themselves home court advantage, and one guy is
upset because he can't show off his Grant Hill jersey. Like,
that's that's how I weigh it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
There are a lot of different ways that you can
look at things and try to rationalize them. I understand
that you're frustrated, but it feels like he's going out
of his way to show that he was wronged in
a situation that if you're outside of a Pistons fan,
I don't know how many people are actually going to
side with this guy.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I don't either.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
His whole point is that he should have been told
these tickets said nothing of this on them. Yeah, once
you got your ticket, it doesn't say it on that,
But when you purchase your ticket one hundred percent, it
tells you you you also pick tickets. Guys, the side
of the wall is more expensive, said, I've looked and
come the very very top may be the same if
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you sit, you know, like the three hundred section, but
I like to sit in like.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
The middle of the bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Sitting on the wall in the middle is more expensive
than me sitting on the opposite side. I've looked into it,
so another reason why I haven't sat on the wall.
So it's just kind of like I spend one hundred
bucks on seats for anything, whether it's a concert, for
this that I'm gonna triple check exactly what I'm purchasing.
You just purchase seats that were thousands of dollars and
you did not You did not pay attention to what
you purchased. I'm sorry, you have no excuse the whole
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They should have told me.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, I'm sure they did.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I'm sure maybe even in your email confirmation from the
Clippers it probably said, Hey, welcome, get excited.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You're coming into it dome and you're gonna be a
part of the wall.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I can already see that email, because let me tell
you what we send for the Dodgers when you purchase
a tour ticket, all of the things that you need
to know for what you just purchased.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
I am looking at into a dome right now, trying
to see if on a secondary market we could get
any information that this is the wall or not the wall.
And so I'm not sure and exactly the full map
of it, Monty, but I've clicked on both sides and
there was never a point where it says you are in.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
The wall on the.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
On the on the on the on this just on
stub Hub, I went to both sides of the court.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Because other people just show this guy like pictures of
third party where it's at the wall.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
This is the row. This you know what I'm saying.
So let me let me see.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
The point that I look at. It is the wall?
Is there for a reason. And I go to college basketball.
In college basketball, if you ever watch a college basketball game,
you follow college basketball, you know this.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Isaac knows this.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
When you jump I have a jump ball at the
start of the game, for the first half, you are
going towards the the other team's bench.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Okay, so see, I'm pretty sure that tw is the wall.
Is that what it says? Oh yeah, sure enough, the wall?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yes, clicked on in here all right.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
The point that I'm going to make about the college
basketball thing is in the second half, you are usually
going offensively on the side of your bench. Your coach
can yell out the offensive calls at that point. However,
that is also where student sections are because you want
them to miss those free throws in the final minutes.
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You want to distract them, So the student section is
normally by a bench. So this isn't this isn't anything
new for a fan base. And the reason I bring
this up is because I thought to myself, if I'm
a fan, and in this case, the guy was a
Pistons fan, if I'm a Pistons fan, I want to
sit by my team, the team that I like and
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the players that I want to see, So that all
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
But that also happens.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
To be the wall area where you would want them
to end up missing free throws. Now, the NBA, it's
actually different. That doesn't go with the way the college
game is. There's a different way of deciding on which
way you go at which end. But still the wall
is at the bench side of the posing team. So
maybe if there's ways where the wall can heckle the
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opposing bench, the opposing benches right there and getting that
all makes sense. I really feel he's blowing out of
proportion the fact that he can't show off his Grant
Hill Jersey more than anything else because you still get
the full experience, the cheering.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Up and down. I hate it.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
I can't stand it when opposing fans are loud and
obnoxious in road venues because they have this me against
the world sort of thinking. It's fine if you want
to slap a high five to another fan or another
group of fans around you, but the loud, obnoxious type,
which is I think that if you're sitting courtside, there
aren't going to be a ton of people that you
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can high five with that you're kind of doing it
for a show, and I feel that he is doing
this all for show.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I don't disagree at all. I also have a hard
time believing there's been other incidents. It doesn't it's not
stories you find because it doesn't get out of hand
where fans have been asked to move because they have
not followed the rules of sitting on the wall, and
so there's videos of them being moved somewhere else. So
I have a hard time believing that the Clippers weren't
to this person, would you like us to move you?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Would you like to go to another side?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I have a hard time believing that that wasn't an
option once you're told this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Or you would you like a refund.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I have a hard time believing that Steve Lamber wouldn't
give a refund in a situation like that, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I feel like you could have
been probably accommodated, but you didn't want to be because
you were just mad.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
That you didn't know what you purchased.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yes, he felt I don't know how I would like
somebody be like you can't share for your team, Like that.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Would be like it would be kind of weird.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
You would feel like somebody, like another adult is telling
you how to live. Why I can understand why you
would maybe react differently to that. But ultimately, again for
a team trying to make a home court advantage, We've
seen this with teams selling tickets right Dodgers padres or
when you're area codes and where people are buying tickets
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from it's only tickets that can be purchased with this
sort of zip code. All those things are trying to
ensure a home court advantage. And I don't think that
that's bad for sports. And so while this fan may
feel like he was misled, ultimately in the grand scheme
of things. Manci, I don't feel bad because I want
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teams to have a home field advantage. I hate how
the NFL, and it's not just so far. You are
now seeing more and more fans in opposing stadiums, and
you're hearing cheers in places you never would have thought.
We're hearing audible Lions cheers at Lambeau Field, Like, how
in the world, How in the world does that happen?
And so these I like it when a fan or
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a team is saying I'm not going to sell my
tickets or we're taking our place back for the sole
reason of And guess what, I don't think it really
matters that it's the Clippers. It's different if it was
the Lakers, right, if you had your crosstown rivals sitting
in front of your wall. But for them to stick
to their guns to say, like, doesn't matter if you're
the Pistons, the Lakers, or whoever you are, this is
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what we're trying to build here with this culture.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
That's fine.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
They could have given them a different seat somewhere else,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I have a hard time believing they didn't offer him
that you know.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
It's like I think you mentioned it in the pre
show that like when you see a student section and
you see the one person not wearing the right color,
it drives you nuts. So this guy, imagine court side
on the bottom row, everything is Clippers and there's a
guy wearing pistons. That's literally what they're trying to avoid.
So I understand you're frustrated. But at the same time,
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if I bought tickets whatever to watch the Clippers anywhere
else and I was told this, I would be like, Oh,
I feel stupid.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Where can I move? Where can I go? My bad?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I feel dumb, my stupid. That was my fault. I
did not pay attention to this. Do can I move?
And it's like he said, he stayed there and that
he just was asked that to not, you know, stand
up necessarily and go crazy or show his jersey.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
This guy could not feel dumber than I felt. When
Mancy pointed out that it says the wall like it's
hed W in tw and I'm like, oh, it's section
W and it literally says it. On stub Hub. I
clicked on a section. Every single ticket says the wall,
and for somehow I didn't see it. By the way,
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for tonight's game against the Kings, seventy five bucks to
cheer in the wall.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Amazing, amazing it.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
And they actually just side note here the Clippers, that
are a really awesome thing for like families to sit
on the wall like a package of games with two
adults and two kids. Like, it's not they they're trying
to get the fans in, that's what you that's the
whole point, like you said, they're trying to get the
fans in, trying to change the image of the Clippers
who always were the little brothers of the Lakers at
Staples Crypto, whatever it's called.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And so that's what they're doing. This is the thing.
This is their thing on a brand new arena. Like
I don't, I don't understand what you're good for them?
Yeah them.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
By the way, for those of us that know the
long history of the Wakers, I'm sorry the Quippers in
Los Angeles. It is neat to see them creating their niche.
And that probably sounds condescending, but they've never been relevant overall.
Maybe a year here and there, but they've never overall
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been relevant compared to the other team in town. And
it's neat to watch them trying to create a niche
by doing these things. And by the way, the Wall
is a top five all time album of mine Pink
Foyd nineteen seventy nine Top five Don't at Me. I
can give you the other four, but I'm not going
to bother you. And there's another thing about this story.
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This is the most interesting Into It Dome stories since
when it first opened. You remember when it first opened
and I think the first concert maybe even went and
all the people were left outside because their digital scanner
thing didn't work and I had tweeted instead of into
It Dome, they should call it out of It Dome
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because everybody could didn't get into the couldn't get into
the arena. You remember that tweet?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, yes, it's one of my favorite.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
A lot of people people come to me on the
street and they tell me that I remember that tweet.
Out of It don't, And.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
You know, like sometimes it's still annoying. But you don't
need to do the face recognition.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You don't have to.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
You could still use just a normal ticket. You don't
have to use that. But it's funny because when I
first started, I have a friend who went to a
Clippers game, and he said that he he just was
able to sneak in because it was so messy with
like the face recognition, so he didn't have a ticket,
but his family did and he just walked right on in.
And I was like, really, he's a yeah, because it
was such a mess that like it was like, oh,
you're in, you're in, You're not.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I was like, good for you. Wait to sneak
in there.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
The only way you can get busted is if you're
wearing a nineteen ninety four Grant Hills turquoise Priston's jersey.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
And sitting on the wall.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yes, and his is on the ticket.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
He had the two differences of like one says the
wall and one says court side. So he's trying to
basically stick around on a technicality in saying, well, this
doesn't say it, so this isn't technically the wall. And
now we're going down. Now we're doing steps like that. Yes,
it's to me, you understand what the premise of the
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whole deal is correct. They don't want any camera shots.
And I'm sorry to Jason's point about the team everything.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That came with it.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
From what we know about the perception around the country,
for Los Angeles fans outside of the Dodgers and Lakers
is that they're fair weather and they'll sell their tickets
to all the other teams. So to try to take
a stand against that and build what Jason's talking about
and you're talking about, I'm sorry, I'm just I'm siding
with the team on this one. I'd love to side
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with the fan. I think it is really weird when
you have a game at Nebraska, maybe they're hosting Michigan,
because it's contrasting colors and it's a sea of red
and there's one guy with a maroon hat.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It just it, it takes it out.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Yeah, just as like okay, all right, Like I get
it's your team and the whole deal and us against
the world. Well all right, like just move on, get
out of my way. I don't mind sitting behind the bench.
I don't mind the section that you're in. I've been to,
like many people as a fan, to road games in
different spots. I think you there's this sort of code
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of conduct as well. And this fan, Nikki Dimes is
I think is somebody goes on on Twitter. Didn't seem
like he was being obnoxious, No, by any means, and
some fans can be. But still, if that's the look
that they want, then I think that you should be
able to abide by it. And I to your point, Monty,
I just don't believe that the team didn't do anything
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to at least try to accommodate.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Maybe I'm wrong, No, I have a hard time believing.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I also feel like it would have been mentioned, you
know what I'm saying, like by him. They didn't even
offer me anywhere to go. I asked if I could.
I just feel like they were They probably offered him
something that it wasn't what he purchased, and he's like, no,
I want to sit here. Okay, then sit here, just
you know, golf clap for your pistons.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Standing up for a section. Other teams would usually just
be like, all right, deal with it, sneak over as
long as you're buying concessions, that's all we care.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Right, But no, not at into it.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Dom.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Don't sit on the wall if you're not serious.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Good job Clippers, Yeah, good job. Hey.
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And at the start of the show, we were going
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show and a best of version posted right after the
end of the show. I don't think, Manci, that NFL
teams get their jollys off of being a five seed
over a six seed. I just don't think that they care,
especially when you don't know who the two and the
three seed are going to be.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
A lot can change.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Sure, it seems like the five seed is the better path,
but sometimes maybe it technically isn't considering who could be
at the top and who could be in certain spots.
My whole point in saying this is, I don't think
the Rams had a lot to play for last night
once they found out that the Seahawks and Niners in
Week eighteen was going to be for the division Crown.
I don't think that they had a lot motivation against Atlanta.
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It's not a reason why she dismissed last night's outcome,
but I will dismiss the changing of the NFL MVP
odds that we saw last night, because if you put
Drake May ahead of Matthew Stafford, because of what Drake
May did to the New York Jets. Then shame on
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you for a team that could be firing its coach
after one year. That is completely lost to have stat
padding go on for Drake May to throw the five
touchdowns that he threw against the Jets, and they're not
going to say it's meaningless, Monzie, because the Patriots are
still in the thick of it for the number one seed.
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They weren't AFC East champions at the time, so they
had to win the game. But let's be real, the
Jets are the freaking Jets. Never should your MVP case
be better because you played the Jets' baseline so the
Patriots knew what they were doing. You do not get
bonus points for beating the Jets. So even though Drake
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May he could have thrown forty two touchdown passes in
the first half and his MVP odds should have stayed
the same. And so to have Matthew Stafford last night
throw three interceptions and what was not entirely meaningless just
didn't mean nearly as much as it could have a
couple of days earlier. For the Rams to go out
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and play like they did, and for Matthew Stafford to
be picked off three times. I'm sorry, I think it's
ridiculous that the odds now favored Drake May to be
the NFL's MVP when I felt Matthew Stafford won it
in a loss in Seattle in Week sixteen.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I was surprised when I first saw that the odds were.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Changing mid game. Yeah, Drake May, you're having a great season.
No one is denying that. Jason our producer Stewart. How
many interceptions do the Jets have?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh? They have zero?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Oh, okay, they have zero.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Gotcha, that's the only team that has a zero row
zero interceptions.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
That adds to the story.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And if you want to look at the story and
talk about how great Drake May and the Patriots are
and that's why you're pushing for MVP, there, that's wonderful.
How about the other side of the story where Matthew
Stafford is an uncle a grandpa and came into the
season with the back issue.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
We didn't know how he was going to play.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Like, the fact that Matthew Stafford is playing at this
high level is also a really cool story. Not you
know what I'm saying like, it's both sides of the coin.
It's not just that the Patriots are a surprise. I
think it's a surprise that Matthew Stafford is playing this well.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I think it's great that Drake may has had this
great second year. To your point, Monzi, we didn't know
if Matthew Stafford was going to play week one right now,
That may or may not be a part of the argument.
But that's kind of how it was with the Rams.
At the start of the year. I heard he's Stafford
is not a grandpa.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, I meant to say it in the sense.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Of only Philip Rivers, right, No, right, but you he
is one of the older folks on the field right now.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yes, and so Stafford. I completely lost my train of
thought after the grampa thing. The point being Matthew Stafford
is not a ground was my point. I came back
to me, we didn't know if Stafford was even gonna
play with one when they lost to the Rams last night.
(23:24):
I saw tweets imagine that the NFL's best team being
a six seed, Like people still think the Rams are
the best team. And when you look at the Rams
last night, sure, Matthew Stafford through three interceptions. The defenses
is better than other defenses last time, but maybe the
defense last night wasn't as great as the Rams defense
(23:46):
should be. So you still had Matthew Stafford bringing your
team back into a contest and having a chance at
the end to maybe even tie or win the game.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That was so.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
While it was a three in reception game for Matthew
Stafford in basically a meaningless game, the fact that they
were back in it shouldn't be held against him. And
I was doing some reading and there was a piece
in the Athletic that characterized the Drake May versus Matthew
Stafford showdown for MVP after last night like this.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
This was the quote.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Stafford still leads the NFL with forty two touchdown passes,
and the Rams have played the toughest schedule of any
team this season, and significantly tougher than Drake May and
the Patriots have. But in a loaded NFC West, the
Rams will be playing on the road to start this postseason.
What does that freaking matter for an MVPA. You said
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the part that was most important that the Rams have
played the toughest schedule and the Patriots haven't played as
tough of a schedule. It's if Drake May wins the
MVP over Matthew Stafford, it is an absolute travesty because
you should not with the zero interception New York Jets,
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be able to enhance your case so much that when
your quarterback plays in a meaningless game it maybe doesn't
shine against the Falcons team that they should be downgraded.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And also with the strength of schedule, if you want
to bring that into consideration, then don't you give more
credit to Matthew Stafford who still has more touchdowns and
more passing yards.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Right, So yeah, to me, it's not even a question.
That's what's crazy about it.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I don't even love the touchdown stat But when you watch,
when you watch how Stafford and the Rams have played,
and I'll say this, Stafford did not have a great
game in a win against Seattle, but he sure was
able to rebound in the loss to Seattle again in
Week sixteen. And I'm not saying that Drake May hasn't
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played great in games that we all know that. I
don't even think I need to caveat it, Mazi to
say that, boy, Drake May's played some great games. We
know he's been very good. Remember what he was against
the Buffalo Bills in their game in Foxboro? Oh yeah,
he was fourteen to twenty three for one hundred and
fifty five yards in one interception. So in what was
(26:14):
a really really big game for them at that point,
he didn't necessarily show up. But because week seventeen is
closer to voting than this was in week twelve or
week thirteen, then this is what we're gonna hold against
Matthew Stafford's.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Which makes no sense at all. It makes no sense
at all.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
In fact, why don't you just stop the voting after
because I feel like we're getting closer and imagine when
they add another week that the final two three weeks
are there's teams that they're going to take their foot
off the gas if they're preparing for the postseason.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So like yesterday, Matthew Stafford, like, I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I think they went out there with the maybe they
were like, yeah, let's play, see how it goes. And
then they kind of were put in it in a
hole and they didn't want to go out that way.
They were still in it till the very end. But
with Matthew Stafford's three interceptions that cost me my championship game.
He still has the same interceptions as Drake May. Like
it's just okay, so he had a bad game, but we're.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Acting like I just hate the criteria of it, of
why it benefits Drake May to beat the Jett.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
No, that was made up. That's made up, but it helped.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Like there was a conversation on Sunday of look at
what Drake May is doing and if you're a voter
that gets fooled by that, you shouldn't have a vote
right that it should be taken away from you. If
you are fooled that way, you can make an argument
for Drake May, that's fine, But to take it away
from Matthew Stafford because of what happened in week seventeen,
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by the way, that Bill's Patriots game, it's been a
long month, was only week fifteen, so like, yes, it
was just a couple of weeks ago, but still that's
we're only a couple of weeks removed from that sort
of game from Drake May. But we're not holding that
against him. But we're gonna hold this against Matthew Stafford
and for a team, by the way, with the Rams
who probably would have wanted to pull everybody. We know
Sean mcvad doesn't like to play starters in the preseason. Well,
(27:58):
you kind of have two meaningless games coming up here.
Why would you play anybody? You probably didn't want to
play anybody last night, but they prepped for it and
were a full go still could have almost won the game.
Would that have changed it because maybe the refcalls pass interference?
Then is Matthew Stafford now the MVP because pass interference
was called on that play? That's how ridiculous the argument is.
(28:19):
If you're flip flopping Drake May over Matthew Stafford based
on week.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Seventeen, and that's what happened. It was a flip flop.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
It wasn't like it got closer and we're discussing that
this race is now close, sir.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It completely flip flopped. What in the middle of the game.
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Speaker 4 (29:44):
I haven't done my bracket because I haven't decided if
I'm going to go logical or.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
With my heart.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Mine is locked and loaded good and as I have said,
zero point zero percent chance Indiana wins it all, and
it's nothing personally against the Hoosiers. I just don't think
any team in college football nowadays can go undefeated. Okay,
but I don't think that at some point it's going
to catch up. It's not that Indiana isn't the best
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team in the country. I just over the long fall.
Ohio State won at all last year. They had two losses, yeah,
last year. So it's I just don't think that the
odds are in the favor of Indiana. So I say
zero point zero, not zero point one.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Zero point zero.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And I know there's who's your fans here in southern California.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
They're not happy with you.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
No, they aren't getting logical. That's just that's zero settle.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
All those those Indiana Who's your fans may have been
cheering for Philip Rivers. That was another NFL story that
we had really loved over the last couple of weeks.
I don't think it rises to the occasion of our
finalists and Micah Parsons and shoud Or Sanders, but it
was a story that we followed as we were trying
to nail down calendar year. What's the best story or
the biggest story? I should say of twenty twenty five
(30:57):
in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Really, you don't think it cracks.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
No, I think it does.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I just think that Shador Sanders was a topic of
conversation ever since he was in the draft, through the process,
through the combine, through the draft, through everything, and Micah Parsons,
everything that involved Michah Parsons, whether it be now the injury,
whether it be the trade, whether it be the holdout,
whether it be the contract, all of that stuff that
played out through this entire year. So I think a
(31:23):
story like Shador, I think a story like Micah Parsons,
I think that those things rise above the greatness that
Philip Rivers gave us the last three weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I guess the only reason I would even just push
back on it, but you're probably right is because the
Philip Rivers side of the story is tied to just
the story of the Colts and Daniel Jones too.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Sure, you know, there's just so much to it. How
do we get to Philip Rivers?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Oh, because this guy played on a broken leg and
then literally messed up.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
His other leg.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
What's more shocking to you that the Colts completely just
fell apart than other injuries as well, but they fell
apart after they went like all in on Sauce Gardner,
he gets hurt and turn out thing just kind of crumbles.
Or is it more surprising that the Lions and Chiefs
and Ravens, I mean, Ravens still may make the postseason,
but we may have a postseason with neither of those
three teams being in the postseason. What's more surprising to
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you the Colts falling from.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Their It would be the Colts having the rise that
they did at the start of the season. You know
what I'm saying, Like, that's what was more surprising, Okay,
and then it just kind of got away from them
because life is unfair.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
But you're right, water found its level.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
The Chiefs and the Lions not making the playoffs, No,
nobody would have thought that.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I know, you know, and Rob Parker did, but let's
not tell him that.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Jason Stewarts our executive producer story.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
The Philip Rivers story spawned this tweet from ninety minutes
ago from shaneon Des Moines. Rivers on the Colts is
like the fantasy camp that Jay Stu does on fs R.
Every time he talks into a mic. Except Rivers as
a pro reliving glory, Jay Stu might be waiting to
have gory or to relive. Now here's the problem with
(33:04):
if you're going to start a beef, you need to
tag me or it's it's pretty cowardly because Dan, Chris,
Isaac and Monsey are tagged and he's talking trash about me.
I don't think there's a big a bigger cowardly move
on Twitter than not tagging the person you have a
beef with.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I think you also take Philip Rivers ten kids on there,
and maybe that's why you didn't fit in. Maybe that's
why I didn't make it. Jane's throwing some heat your
way Jason, and I know you love it.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
You're like sack.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Oh, I love smack, But I mean you need to
follow the decorum of social media.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Tag me, Jason.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
We have had somebody talks back to us, but I'm blocked,
So he talks back to me but I can't respond.
So I don't know what's worse that I'm blocked so
I can't respond, or that you're not tagging it.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
What is worse?
Speaker 5 (33:49):
What about your mom talking smack after the show saying
she disagrees with your opinion.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
On a topic, because that would she agree with me?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, she thinks it was a catch.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
She thinks it was She thinks Caitlin Clark cracks the
list three things.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Now that's Mark. Yes, well it's siding with Monzi is
usually the better option. What do you think is bigger?
If we have the two Micah Shadoor, bigger story in
the NFL this year.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
It should be Micah, but it's Shadoor.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Jason, I agree, Chris should all right, Well, I'm out numbered,
even if I wanted to say, Michael Parsons, It's been
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Speaker 3 (01:11):
So Dan, let's get right into it.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
Because I woke up to someone tweeting at us.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Jason was part of the tweet as well.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
It came from John Grace, who also included Cavino and
Rich for this and Danny G love it.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yes, so all of us were included in this.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
And John Grace just kind of retweeted a post of
a NBA fan, specifically a Pistons fan, who went to
the recent Clippers Pistons game and purchased.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Floor seats on the side of the wall.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Where the Clippers, since opening the doors to Into It Dome,
trying to create an atmosphere that is their own, said
we're going to have a wall a side of the
arena that is supposed to give you a college at
sphere where college students go and cheer like you see
in you know, in college games, whether it's football or basketball.
(02:07):
From the beginning, this is something that they advertised. I
am a Clippers fan. I have been to several games
that Into It Dom and I have sat on the
side of the wall zero times. Because you have to
be engaged, and you got to be like a fan
and doing it the whole way.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
And it's all that I'm not a fan.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
I just sometimes want to just sit and sip on
my beer and watch and chill out. And you have
to be on it, you know, like you're there when
they're shooting free throws and they give you props so
that you are engaged and you are a part of this.
And so when they show you on screen, you can
see the wall. It is called the wall. It is
from top to bottom. When you purchase a ticket, it
says you will be sitting on the wall. That means
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you cannot wear opposing team's gear, you cannot cheer for
the opposing team.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
You sit on the wall.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
You are a Clippers fan, and you have to do
it for the entire forty eight minutes, if not more
if there's overtime. Apparently this gentleman bought floor seats and
was very upset disappointed, I understandably so that he couldn't
show off his Grant Hill Pistons jersey and cheer for
the team at into it don't and it's caused, you know,
(03:09):
a discourse on Twitter X and I looked through this
guy's tweet and he keeps he shows a picture because
when you sit on the wall, I guess if you
maybe take off your shirt and you're showing that.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
You are a Pistons fan, that's the team that they
were playing.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
They give you a sheet or maybe it's on the
seat when you sit down. I've never sat on the wall.
I'm telling you, guys, because.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
The pressure of cheering for forty eight minutes is a lot.
They give you a little note that says you are
sitting on the wall. This is a responsibility for sitting
on the wall. So he wasn't allowed to show his jersey,
he wasn't allowed to cheer for the Pistons. He was
really really mad and said that someone should.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Have told him.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And he keeps putting screenshots of his ticket. Well, yeah, puppy,
on your ticket. It doesn't tell you. But I know
when I buy tickets for something and it says you
want this seat, there's an obstructive view.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
You want this seat. It doesn't come with this. You
want this seat, it tells you when you purchase your tickets.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
And so I feel like, unfortunately for this guy, you
just didn't pay attention to what you purchased. And it
sucks that you bought floor seats that are thousands of
dollars and you didn't sit at the top of the wall,
which is like twenty bucks to sit at the very top.
It really does suck, But you just didn't know what
you were purchasing. You did not cross your t's and
dot your eyes.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
I find it's so rich that a fan of an
opposing team in Los Angeles now take out the Dodgers
and take out the Lakers. But what happens at so
far when the forty nine Ers come to town to
face the Rams, it's a faithful forty nine Er takeover, right.
I was surprised to see how many Chargers fans compared
(04:38):
to the Texans fans there were at the game, and
we went to on Saturday where I listen. I've seen
the screenshots. I know when Denver comes to town, how
much orange there is. I know how much silver and
blacks in the crowd. When the Raiders come and play
the Chargers, there were a lot of Chargers fans there.
There weren't as many Texans fans there, and I think
that was because of the new team. However, when you
talk about NFL fan people say, well, Charger fans don't
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show up to the game. So here you have an
organization a block away that is deciding to take matters
into their own hands to try to change a narrative
and give themselves home court advantage, and one guy is
upset because he can't show off his Grant Hill jersey. Like,
that's that's how I weigh it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Now.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
There are a lot of different ways that you can
look at things and try to rationalize them. I understand
that you're frustrated, but it feels like he's going out
of his way to show that he was wronged in
a situation that if you're outside of a Pistons fan,
I don't know how many people are actually going to
side with this guy.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I don't either.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
His whole point is that he should have been told
these tickets said nothing of this on them. Yeah, once
you got your ticket, it doesn't say it on that,
But when you purchase your ticket one hundred percent, it
tells you you you also pick tickets. Guys, the side
of the wall is more expensive, said, I've looked and
come the very very top may be the same if
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you sit, you know, like the three hundred section, but
I like to sit in like.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
The middle of the bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Sitting on the wall in the middle is more expensive
than me sitting on the opposite side. I've looked into it,
so another reason why I haven't sat on the wall.
So it's just kind of like I spend one hundred
bucks on seats for anything, whether it's a concert, for
this that I'm gonna triple check exactly what I'm purchasing.
You just purchase seats that were thousands of dollars and
you did not You did not pay attention to what
you purchased. I'm sorry, you have no excuse the whole
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They should have told me.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
No, I'm sure they did.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
I'm sure maybe even in your email confirmation from the
Clippers it probably said, Hey, welcome, get excited.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
You're coming into it dome and you're gonna be a
part of the wall.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I can already see that email, because let me tell
you what we send for the Dodgers when you purchase
a tour ticket, all of the things that you need
to know for what you just purchased.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
I am looking at into a dome right now, trying
to see if on a secondary market we could get
any information that this is the wall or not the wall.
And so I'm not sure and exactly the full map
of it, Monty, but I've clicked on both sides and
there was never a point where it says you are in.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
The wall on the.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
On the on the on the on this just on
stub Hub, I went to both sides of the court.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Because other people just show this guy like pictures of
third party where it's at the wall.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
This is the row. This you know what I'm saying.
So let me let me see.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
The point that I look at. It is the wall?
Is there for a reason. And I go to college basketball.
In college basketball, if you ever watch a college basketball game,
you follow college basketball, you know this.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Isaac knows this.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
When you jump I have a jump ball at the
start of the game, for the first half, you are
going towards the the other team's bench.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Okay, so see, I'm pretty sure that tw is the wall.
Is that what it says? Oh yeah, sure enough, the wall?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yes, clicked on in here all right.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
The point that I'm going to make about the college
basketball thing is in the second half, you are usually
going offensively on the side of your bench. Your coach
can yell out the offensive calls at that point. However,
that is also where student sections are because you want
them to miss those free throws in the final minutes.
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You want to distract them, So the student section is
normally by a bench. So this isn't this isn't anything
new for a fan base. And the reason I bring
this up is because I thought to myself, if I'm
a fan, and in this case, the guy was a
Pistons fan, if I'm a Pistons fan, I want to
sit by my team, the team that I like and
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the players that I want to see, So that all
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
But that also happens.
Speaker 5 (08:41):
To be the wall area where you would want them
to end up missing free throws. Now, the NBA, it's
actually different. That doesn't go with the way the college
game is. There's a different way of deciding on which
way you go at which end. But still the wall
is at the bench side of the posing team. So
maybe if there's ways where the wall can heckle the
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opposing bench, the opposing benches right there and getting that
all makes sense. I really feel he's blowing out of
proportion the fact that he can't show off his Grant
Hill Jersey more than anything else because you still get
the full experience, the cheering.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Up and down. I hate it.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
I can't stand it when opposing fans are loud and
obnoxious in road venues because they have this me against
the world sort of thinking. It's fine if you want
to slap a high five to another fan or another
group of fans around you, but the loud, obnoxious type,
which is I think that if you're sitting courtside, there
aren't going to be a ton of people that you
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can high five with that you're kind of doing it
for a show, and I feel that he is doing
this all for show.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
I don't disagree at all. I also have a hard
time believing there's been other incidents. It doesn't it's not
stories you find because it doesn't get out of hand
where fans have been asked to move because they have
not followed the rules of sitting on the wall, and
so there's videos of them being moved somewhere else. So
I have a hard time believing that the Clippers weren't
to this person, would you like us to move you?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Would you like to go to another side?
Speaker 4 (10:13):
I have a hard time believing that that wasn't an
option once you're told this, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Or you would you like a refund.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I have a hard time believing that Steve Lamber wouldn't
give a refund in a situation like that, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I feel like you could have
been probably accommodated, but you didn't want to be because
you were just mad.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
That you didn't know what you purchased.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Yes, he felt I don't know how I would like
somebody be like you can't share for your team, Like that.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Would be like it would be kind of weird.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
You would feel like somebody, like another adult is telling
you how to live. Why I can understand why you
would maybe react differently to that. But ultimately, again for
a team trying to make a home court advantage, We've
seen this with teams selling tickets right Dodgers padres or
when you're area codes and where people are buying tickets
(11:02):
from it's only tickets that can be purchased with this
sort of zip code. All those things are trying to
ensure a home court advantage. And I don't think that
that's bad for sports. And so while this fan may
feel like he was misled, ultimately in the grand scheme
of things. Manci, I don't feel bad because I want
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teams to have a home field advantage. I hate how
the NFL, and it's not just so far. You are
now seeing more and more fans in opposing stadiums, and
you're hearing cheers in places you never would have thought.
We're hearing audible Lions cheers at Lambeau Field, Like, how
in the world, How in the world does that happen?
And so these I like it when a fan or
(11:45):
a team is saying I'm not going to sell my
tickets or we're taking our place back for the sole
reason of And guess what, I don't think it really
matters that it's the Clippers. It's different if it was
the Lakers, right, if you had your crosstown rivals sitting
in front of your wall. But for them to stick
to their guns to say, like, doesn't matter if you're
the Pistons, the Lakers, or whoever you are, this is
(12:05):
what we're trying to build here with this culture.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
That's fine.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
They could have given them a different seat somewhere else,
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
I have a hard time believing they didn't offer him
that you know.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
It's like I think you mentioned it in the pre
show that like when you see a student section and
you see the one person not wearing the right color,
it drives you nuts. So this guy, imagine court side
on the bottom row, everything is Clippers and there's a
guy wearing pistons. That's literally what they're trying to avoid.
So I understand you're frustrated. But at the same time,
(12:36):
if I bought tickets whatever to watch the Clippers anywhere
else and I was told this, I would be like, Oh,
I feel stupid.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Where can I move? Where can I go? My bad?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I feel dumb, my stupid. That was my fault. I
did not pay attention to this. Do can I move?
And it's like he said, he stayed there and that
he just was asked that to not, you know, stand
up necessarily and go crazy or show his jersey.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
This guy could not feel dumber than I felt. When
Mancy pointed out that it says the wall like it's
hed W in tw and I'm like, oh, it's section
W and it literally says it. On stub Hub. I
clicked on a section. Every single ticket says the wall,
and for somehow I didn't see it. By the way,
(13:19):
for tonight's game against the Kings, seventy five bucks to
cheer in the wall.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Amazing, amazing it.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
And they actually just side note here the Clippers, that
are a really awesome thing for like families to sit
on the wall like a package of games with two
adults and two kids. Like, it's not they they're trying
to get the fans in, that's what you that's the
whole point, like you said, they're trying to get the
fans in, trying to change the image of the Clippers
who always were the little brothers of the Lakers at
Staples Crypto, whatever it's called.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And so that's what they're doing. This is the thing.
This is their thing on a brand new arena. Like
I don't, I don't understand what you're good for them?
Yeah them.
Speaker 6 (13:53):
By the way, for those of us that know the
long history of the Wakers, I'm sorry the Quippers in
Los Angeles. It is neat to see them creating their niche.
And that probably sounds condescending, but they've never been relevant overall.
Maybe a year here and there, but they've never overall
(14:15):
been relevant compared to the other team in town. And
it's neat to watch them trying to create a niche
by doing these things. And by the way, the Wall
is a top five all time album of mine Pink
Foyd nineteen seventy nine Top five Don't at Me. I
can give you the other four, but I'm not going
to bother you. And there's another thing about this story.
(14:37):
This is the most interesting Into It Dome stories since
when it first opened. You remember when it first opened
and I think the first concert maybe even went and
all the people were left outside because their digital scanner
thing didn't work and I had tweeted instead of into
It Dome, they should call it out of It Dome
(14:58):
because everybody could didn't get into the couldn't get into
the arena. You remember that tweet?
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, yes, it's one of my favorite.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
A lot of people people come to me on the
street and they tell me that I remember that tweet.
Out of It don't, And.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
You know, like sometimes it's still annoying. But you don't
need to do the face recognition.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You don't have to.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
You could still use just a normal ticket. You don't
have to use that. But it's funny because when I
first started, I have a friend who went to a
Clippers game, and he said that he he just was
able to sneak in because it was so messy with
like the face recognition, so he didn't have a ticket,
but his family did and he just walked right on in.
And I was like, really, he's a yeah, because it
was such a mess that like it was like, oh,
you're in, you're in, You're not.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
And I was like, good for you. Wait to sneak
in there.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
The only way you can get busted is if you're
wearing a nineteen ninety four Grant Hills turquoise Priston's jersey.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
And sitting on the wall.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yes, and his is on the ticket.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
He had the two differences of like one says the
wall and one says court side. So he's trying to
basically stick around on a technicality in saying, well, this
doesn't say it, so this isn't technically the wall. And
now we're going down. Now we're doing steps like that. Yes,
it's to me, you understand what the premise of the
(16:11):
whole deal is correct. They don't want any camera shots.
And I'm sorry to Jason's point about the team everything.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That came with it.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
From what we know about the perception around the country,
for Los Angeles fans outside of the Dodgers and Lakers
is that they're fair weather and they'll sell their tickets
to all the other teams. So to try to take
a stand against that and build what Jason's talking about
and you're talking about, I'm sorry, I'm just I'm siding
with the team on this one. I'd love to side
(16:41):
with the fan. I think it is really weird when
you have a game at Nebraska, maybe they're hosting Michigan,
because it's contrasting colors and it's a sea of red
and there's one guy with a maroon hat.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It just it, it takes it out.
Speaker 5 (16:55):
Yeah, just as like okay, all right, Like I get
it's your team and the whole deal and us against
the world. Well all right, like just move on, get
out of my way. I don't mind sitting behind the bench.
I don't mind the section that you're in. I've been to,
like many people as a fan, to road games in
different spots. I think you there's this sort of code
(17:17):
of conduct as well. And this fan, Nikki Dimes is
I think is somebody goes on on Twitter. Didn't seem
like he was being obnoxious, No, by any means, and
some fans can be. But still, if that's the look
that they want, then I think that you should be
able to abide by it. And I to your point, Monty,
I just don't believe that the team didn't do anything
(17:38):
to at least try to accommodate.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Maybe I'm wrong, No, I have a hard time believing.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I also feel like it would have been mentioned, you
know what I'm saying, like by him. They didn't even
offer me anywhere to go. I asked if I could.
I just feel like they were They probably offered him
something that it wasn't what he purchased, and he's like, no,
I want to sit here. Okay, then sit here, just
you know, golf clap for your pistons.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Standing up for a section. Other teams would usually just
be like, all right, deal with it, sneak over as
long as you're buying concessions, that's all we care.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Right, But no, not at into it.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Dom.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Don't sit on the wall if you're not serious.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Good job Clippers, Yeah, good job. Hey.
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Speaker 3 (18:46):
Twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
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Thank you for hanging out with us. If you've been
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Speaker 1 (18:58):
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Speaker 5 (19:03):
And at the start of the show, we were going
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show and a best of version posted right after the
end of the show. I don't think, Manci, that NFL
teams get their jollys off of being a five seed
over a six seed. I just don't think that they care,
especially when you don't know who the two and the
three seed are going to be.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
A lot can change.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
Sure, it seems like the five seed is the better path,
but sometimes maybe it technically isn't considering who could be
at the top and who could be in certain spots.
My whole point in saying this is, I don't think
the Rams had a lot to play for last night
once they found out that the Seahawks and Niners in
Week eighteen was going to be for the division Crown.
I don't think that they had a lot motivation against Atlanta.
(20:01):
It's not a reason why she dismissed last night's outcome,
but I will dismiss the changing of the NFL MVP
odds that we saw last night, because if you put
Drake May ahead of Matthew Stafford, because of what Drake
May did to the New York Jets. Then shame on
(20:23):
you for a team that could be firing its coach
after one year. That is completely lost to have stat
padding go on for Drake May to throw the five
touchdowns that he threw against the Jets, and they're not
going to say it's meaningless, Monzie, because the Patriots are
still in the thick of it for the number one seed.
(20:45):
They weren't AFC East champions at the time, so they
had to win the game. But let's be real, the
Jets are the freaking Jets. Never should your MVP case
be better because you played the Jets' baseline so the
Patriots knew what they were doing. You do not get
bonus points for beating the Jets. So even though Drake
(21:07):
May he could have thrown forty two touchdown passes in
the first half and his MVP odds should have stayed
the same. And so to have Matthew Stafford last night
throw three interceptions and what was not entirely meaningless just
didn't mean nearly as much as it could have a
couple of days earlier. For the Rams to go out
(21:29):
and play like they did, and for Matthew Stafford to
be picked off three times. I'm sorry, I think it's
ridiculous that the odds now favored Drake May to be
the NFL's MVP when I felt Matthew Stafford won it
in a loss in Seattle in Week sixteen.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I couldn't agree with you more.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
I was surprised when I first saw that the odds were.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Changing mid game. Yeah, Drake May, you're having a great season.
No one is denying that. Jason our producer Stewart. How
many interceptions do the Jets have?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh? They have zero?
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Oh, okay, they have zero.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
Gotcha, that's the only team that has a zero row
zero interceptions.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
That adds to the story.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
And if you want to look at the story and
talk about how great Drake May and the Patriots are
and that's why you're pushing for MVP, there, that's wonderful.
How about the other side of the story where Matthew
Stafford is an uncle a grandpa and came into the
season with the back issue.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
We didn't know how he was going to play.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Like, the fact that Matthew Stafford is playing at this
high level is also a really cool story. Not you
know what I'm saying like, it's both sides of the coin.
It's not just that the Patriots are a surprise. I
think it's a surprise that Matthew Stafford is playing this well.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I think it's great that Drake may has had this
great second year. To your point, Monzi, we didn't know
if Matthew Stafford was going to play week one right now,
That may or may not be a part of the argument.
But that's kind of how it was with the Rams.
At the start of the year. I heard he's Stafford
is not a grandpa.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, I meant to say it in the sense.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Of only Philip Rivers, right, No, right, but you he
is one of the older folks on the field right now.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Yes, and so Stafford. I completely lost my train of
thought after the grampa thing. The point being Matthew Stafford
is not a ground was my point. I came back
to me, we didn't know if Stafford was even gonna
play with one when they lost to the Rams last night.
(23:24):
I saw tweets imagine that the NFL's best team being
a six seed, Like people still think the Rams are
the best team. And when you look at the Rams
last night, sure, Matthew Stafford through three interceptions. The defenses
is better than other defenses last time, but maybe the
defense last night wasn't as great as the Rams defense
(23:46):
should be. So you still had Matthew Stafford bringing your
team back into a contest and having a chance at
the end to maybe even tie or win the game.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
That was so.
Speaker 5 (23:58):
While it was a three in reception game for Matthew
Stafford in basically a meaningless game, the fact that they
were back in it shouldn't be held against him. And
I was doing some reading and there was a piece
in the Athletic that characterized the Drake May versus Matthew
Stafford showdown for MVP after last night like this.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
This was the quote.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Stafford still leads the NFL with forty two touchdown passes,
and the Rams have played the toughest schedule of any
team this season, and significantly tougher than Drake May and
the Patriots have. But in a loaded NFC West, the
Rams will be playing on the road to start this postseason.
What does that freaking matter for an MVPA. You said
(24:41):
the part that was most important that the Rams have
played the toughest schedule and the Patriots haven't played as
tough of a schedule. It's if Drake May wins the
MVP over Matthew Stafford, it is an absolute travesty because
you should not with the zero interception New York Jets,
(25:02):
be able to enhance your case so much that when
your quarterback plays in a meaningless game it maybe doesn't
shine against the Falcons team that they should be downgraded.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
And also with the strength of schedule, if you want
to bring that into consideration, then don't you give more
credit to Matthew Stafford who still has more touchdowns and
more passing yards.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Right, So yeah, to me, it's not even a question.
That's what's crazy about it.
Speaker 5 (25:30):
I don't even love the touchdown stat But when you watch,
when you watch how Stafford and the Rams have played,
and I'll say this, Stafford did not have a great
game in a win against Seattle, but he sure was
able to rebound in the loss to Seattle again in
Week sixteen. And I'm not saying that Drake May hasn't
(25:50):
played great in games that we all know that. I
don't even think I need to caveat it, Mazi to
say that, boy, Drake May's played some great games. We
know he's been very good. Remember what he was against
the Buffalo Bills in their game in Foxboro? Oh yeah,
he was fourteen to twenty three for one hundred and
fifty five yards in one interception. So in what was
(26:14):
a really really big game for them at that point,
he didn't necessarily show up. But because week seventeen is
closer to voting than this was in week twelve or
week thirteen, then this is what we're gonna hold against
Matthew Stafford's.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Which makes no sense at all. It makes no sense
at all.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
In fact, why don't you just stop the voting after
because I feel like we're getting closer and imagine when
they add another week that the final two three weeks
are there's teams that they're going to take their foot
off the gas if they're preparing for the postseason.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
So like yesterday, Matthew Stafford, like, I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I think they went out there with the maybe they
were like, yeah, let's play, see how it goes. And
then they kind of were put in it in a
hole and they didn't want to go out that way.
They were still in it till the very end. But
with Matthew Stafford's three interceptions that cost me my championship game.
He still has the same interceptions as Drake May. Like
it's just okay, so he had a bad game, but we're.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Acting like I just hate the criteria of it, of
why it benefits Drake May to beat the Jett.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
No, that was made up. That's made up, but it helped.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Like there was a conversation on Sunday of look at
what Drake May is doing and if you're a voter
that gets fooled by that, you shouldn't have a vote
right that it should be taken away from you. If
you are fooled that way, you can make an argument
for Drake May, that's fine, But to take it away
from Matthew Stafford because of what happened in week seventeen,
(27:37):
by the way, that Bill's Patriots game, it's been a
long month, was only week fifteen, so like, yes, it
was just a couple of weeks ago, but still that's
we're only a couple of weeks removed from that sort
of game from Drake May. But we're not holding that
against him. But we're gonna hold this against Matthew Stafford
and for a team, by the way, with the Rams
who probably would have wanted to pull everybody. We know
Sean mcvad doesn't like to play starters in the preseason. Well,
(27:58):
you kind of have two meaningless games coming up here.
Why would you play anybody? You probably didn't want to
play anybody last night, but they prepped for it and
were a full go still could have almost won the game.
Would that have changed it because maybe the refcalls pass interference?
Then is Matthew Stafford now the MVP because pass interference
was called on that play? That's how ridiculous the argument is.
(28:19):
If you're flip flopping Drake May over Matthew Stafford based
on week.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Seventeen, and that's what happened. It was a flip flop.
Speaker 4 (28:25):
It wasn't like it got closer and we're discussing that
this race is now close, sir.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
It completely flip flopped. What in the middle of the game.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
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Speaker 4 (28:44):
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in for Dan Patrick. So it's me, Monty, Blanjos and
Dan Bayer on this Tuesday, Monty.
Speaker 5 (28:53):
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Speaker 4 (29:44):
I haven't done my bracket because I haven't decided if
I'm going to go logical or.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
With my heart.
Speaker 5 (29:49):
Mine is locked and loaded good and as I have said,
zero point zero percent chance Indiana wins it all, and
it's nothing personally against the Hoosiers. I just don't think
any team in college football nowadays can go undefeated. Okay,
but I don't think that at some point it's going
to catch up. It's not that Indiana isn't the best
(30:10):
team in the country. I just over the long fall.
Ohio State won at all last year. They had two losses, yeah,
last year. So it's I just don't think that the
odds are in the favor of Indiana. So I say
zero point zero, not zero point one.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Zero point zero.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And I know there's who's your fans here in southern California.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
They're not happy with you.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
No, they aren't getting logical. That's just that's zero settle.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
All those those Indiana Who's your fans may have been
cheering for Philip Rivers. That was another NFL story that
we had really loved over the last couple of weeks.
I don't think it rises to the occasion of our
finalists and Micah Parsons and shoud Or Sanders, but it
was a story that we followed as we were trying
to nail down calendar year. What's the best story or
the biggest story? I should say of twenty twenty five
(30:57):
in the National Football League.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Really, you don't think it cracks.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
No, I think it does.
Speaker 5 (31:01):
I just think that Shador Sanders was a topic of
conversation ever since he was in the draft, through the process,
through the combine, through the draft, through everything, and Micah Parsons,
everything that involved Michah Parsons, whether it be now the injury,
whether it be the trade, whether it be the holdout,
whether it be the contract, all of that stuff that
played out through this entire year. So I think a
(31:23):
story like Shador, I think a story like Micah Parsons,
I think that those things rise above the greatness that
Philip Rivers gave us the last three weeks.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I guess the only reason I would even just push
back on it, but you're probably right is because the
Philip Rivers side of the story is tied to just
the story of the Colts and Daniel Jones too.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Sure, you know, there's just so much to it. How
do we get to Philip Rivers?
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Oh, because this guy played on a broken leg and
then literally messed up.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
His other leg.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
What's more shocking to you that the Colts completely just
fell apart than other injuries as well, but they fell
apart after they went like all in on Sauce Gardner,
he gets hurt and turn out thing just kind of crumbles.
Or is it more surprising that the Lions and Chiefs
and Ravens, I mean, Ravens still may make the postseason,
but we may have a postseason with neither of those
three teams being in the postseason. What's more surprising to
(32:12):
you the Colts falling from.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
Their It would be the Colts having the rise that
they did at the start of the season. You know
what I'm saying, Like, that's what was more surprising, Okay,
and then it just kind of got away from them
because life is unfair.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
But you're right, water found its level.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
The Chiefs and the Lions not making the playoffs, No,
nobody would have thought that.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
I know, you know, and Rob Parker did, but let's
not tell him that.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Jason Stewarts our executive producer story.
Speaker 6 (32:42):
The Philip Rivers story spawned this tweet from ninety minutes
ago from shaneon Des Moines. Rivers on the Colts is
like the fantasy camp that Jay Stu does on fs R.
Every time he talks into a mic. Except Rivers as
a pro reliving glory, Jay Stu might be waiting to
have gory or to relive. Now here's the problem with
(33:04):
if you're going to start a beef, you need to
tag me or it's it's pretty cowardly because Dan, Chris,
Isaac and Monsey are tagged and he's talking trash about me.
I don't think there's a big a bigger cowardly move
on Twitter than not tagging the person you have a
beef with.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
I think you also take Philip Rivers ten kids on there,
and maybe that's why you didn't fit in. Maybe that's
why I didn't make it. Jane's throwing some heat your
way Jason, and I know you love it.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
You're like sack.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Oh, I love smack, But I mean you need to
follow the decorum of social media.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Tag me, Jason.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
We have had somebody talks back to us, but I'm blocked,
So he talks back to me but I can't respond.
So I don't know what's worse that I'm blocked so
I can't respond, or that you're not tagging it.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
What is worse?
Speaker 5 (33:49):
What about your mom talking smack after the show saying
she disagrees with your opinion.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
On a topic, because that would she agree with me?
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, she thinks it was a catch.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
She thinks it was She thinks Caitlin Clark cracks the
list three things.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Now that's Mark. Yes, well it's siding with Monzi is
usually the better option. What do you think is bigger?
If we have the two Micah Shadoor, bigger story in
the NFL this year.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
It should be Micah, but it's Shadoor.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Jason, I agree, Chris should all right, Well, I'm out numbered,
even if I wanted to say, Michael Parsons, It's been
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The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.