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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
What an All Star game it was. Welcome in. It's
a Wednesday. You've made it to the middle of the week.
He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Beyer, Monte Belanios this year,
Jason Stewart, Ryan Smith, all hanging out after an epic
clash last night in Atlanta that Cavino and Rich took
in in watching the National League and American League come

(00:46):
to a six all tie at the end of nine
and then having to settle it via the home run
derby part due and the National League end up getting
the victory. I loved it, loved every second of it
last night erin Torres.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
First of all, I was thinking with that intro, you
know you and I are closing in on half of
twenty years. No cuddling for you and I either, but
pleasure to be here today with you.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Here, here's the deal. Were you distracted by the moaning?
It's Manzi's intro that she hates the absolute most. But
it's the moaning intro that I think has been here
since day one. It Did you hear the moan in
the intro?

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Everyone heard the moan in the intro?

Speaker 5 (01:27):
All right? All right, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
No, I have thoughts on the intro, but CNR are
the best, and I don't. I don't really get it,
to be honest, I don't know if like I have
to be a daily listener to understand or appreciate the humor.
I've never really understood it. But but yeah, zero cuddling
for us either, So that's an HR violation I think. Anyway,
All Star Game, so yeah, no, I listen. It was

(01:52):
it was I'll say this. I know we're obviously going
to focus on the ending. I thought it was just
a very well on night and celebration of baseball overall.
You had the Hank Aaron stuff, you know, Joe Tory
coming out there for half a second, players miked up,
Clayton Kershaw. You know, I'm throwing eighty eight down the

(02:13):
middle here, somebody helped me. I just thought it was
an awesome night overall, obviously capped by a very unique
and very fun ending there.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
It was an awesome night that we thought was gonna
end with the National League running away with it, but
then it became a ballgame at the end, and you
throw that in and then you throw in the drama
like honestly as it as the game was progressing. Of
one of the things that we know that the All
Star Game will do is they will have some sort
of tribute, some bigger than others. And you mentioned that

(02:42):
the one for Hank Aaron was last night, I believe
after the sixth inning is when they did it. What's
interesting about the Hank Aaron tribute is that they are
like a ballpark removed from the ballpark that it happened, alright,
so like this is the park and then the previously
was Turner Field, which was the former Olympic Stadium, which
was right next door to at Fulton County Stadium where
Hank Aaron hit hit that home run. So it missed

(03:05):
the mark with me on a little, especially when they
had the spot where Aaron's home run landed.

Speaker 5 (03:11):
Where it lit up.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
But and I haven't been to the spot in a while,
I assume that it's still there. But the old Atlanta
Fulton County Stadium is right next to where the Olympic
and where the Braves informally played. Now it's college football
stadium for Georgia State, I believe, plays there, but they
have the infield of Atlanta Fulton County Stadium paved with

(03:35):
the diamond, and there was a spot in the outfield
where the ball went over and where the ball hit.
So last night when you're seeing it on the All
Star Game and you're seeing that tribute to Hank Aaron,
which you're right, it was one of the many great
things last night, Like the spot of that home run
and where it landed is very important to the Hank

(03:57):
Aaron story because we all remember that highlight and it
was just really neat to see you could park in
that parking lot in a Braves game. And then the
inner walls of Atlanta Fulton County Stadium are still up
that it's not the outfield walls, but just of the
structure of where the stadium was because a little bit
of it went into the ground. But it's a neat

(04:19):
history thing for people that like to go back and
check out all ballparks, and I haven't been there in
about ten years, so I don't know if it's all
the same. But when I was there the last time,
they had a diamond so you could see where Hank
Aaron stood and then you could see where the ball
landed because they had a section put out in that
parking lot of the fence and it was lit up,
and then the backdrop afterwards. It's really neat if you're
a baseball fantasy. But seeing that last night and being like, well,

(04:42):
this isn't the park, but they're still highlighting the place,
shutting down the lights, doing the run around the basis,
I thought was really well done. Yeah, like I said,
I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I thought it was just you know, listen, it is, ultimately,
you know, an exhibition game, and that's what we're going
to talk about how it ended. But I think in
that it's an exhibition game. And by the way, how
about this, given that quite literally every other All Star
game that we still have continues to fall flat on
its face and feel less and less what it's supposed

(05:12):
to be about. I thought yesterday the return to the
standard you know, home road team uniforms, and on top
of all of that, all of the other cool stuff
they did to honor the president and past the game
I thought overall was really cool.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
I think there's some good and some bad because along
with that, i'd put the bad of those hats. I
have no idea on what they're doing. Like with they
weren't they weren't crowned like they normally were. There was
no seam down the middle. Stars replaced the the poke
holes that you would have normally. It was a very
weird looking hat. I'm not a wasn't a huge fan

(05:46):
of the All Star cap. Was just really really odd.
I didn't mind the ABS system. In fact, I liked
the ABS system last night because of the drama that
it provided. Sure, and the sea work on that stage. Now,
I don't know if you're going to have as many
smiles and laughs in a regular game or in a
playoff game with it, but I thought that portion of

(06:09):
it worked really well. When you challenge a call and
then by a millimeter the ball hits the strike zone
and Randy or Rose Arena ends up striking out on
a call it went the other way on a previous scenario.
I think the drama of it, which is what I
always loved about Cyclops in tennis is there was drama
whether the ball was in or out. Sure, so you

(06:30):
have this whole progression of.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Is it in? Is it out? Oh?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
It was really close, So then if it's really fire,
you're like, oh, that was an awful challenge. It wasn't
even close. I thought last night, I thought that it
worked really, really well. And if you're a Major League
Baseball and want to put this in, I think that
last night was a huge win for you.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yeah, it's interesting only from the perspective that, like you said,
it being an All Star game. I don't know, Like
we obviously need to keep human umpires and it's listen,
I get that sometimes there's a better way to do stuff.
All you're doing is setting yourself up to have pissed
off umpires non stop. And maybe it doesn't matter, and

(07:11):
maybe you don't care, and maybe is maybe that, maybe whatever,
maybe it's just about getting it right.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
I just for balls and strikes. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
It's cool.

Speaker 6 (07:19):
I'm watching it right now on my computer. It is cool.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Like you said in tennis, it works, we figured it out.
It's not a huge deal. Whatever, Its just I don't know,
it feels it. Maybe it's like anything else maybe it'll
just take a little getting used to.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
So what I don't I just I don't like the
middle man of it. I feel you go all in
or you don't exactly on it. Like if you're gonna
go all in, you're going all in that then the
strike zone is the strike zone, because otherwise, if a
guy is not calling a strike throughout the game, meaning
an umpire, and then you challenge it and exactly side strike,
and then all of a sudden you go to the
abs and he's been calling that a ball all along

(07:55):
and now it's a strike. I think that you're like,
you're screwed in that essence. But I think that last night,
like the takeaway from it, and we could get into
the pluses and minuses of it, but the takeaway of
it is you put it in that setting. You make
it in a spot where people are laughing and enjoying
it and adding some drama for Major League Baseball. That's
the biggest win that you can have. Maybe Randia rose

(08:18):
Arena doesn't care if he strikes out last night on
a bad call or a call that ended up being overturned,
But if the Mariners are fighting for a wild card
spot or fighting for the AL West Division and on
the final weekend you get a call like that, completely
different reaction, but it doesn't matter for Major League Baseball.
Is the system would already push in Like last night's

(08:40):
referendum on it was overwhelmingly positive for a transition to
the ABS system.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yeah no, And I again I think that yes it is.
It can be viewed as positive because in theory it
is a step in the right direction, and in theory
it is ultimately about getting the call right. I guess
just what I would say is that at like I said,
I there's a difference between doing it because you want

(09:06):
to get every call right, which I know in theory
we all want to do. And then to your point,
it being Game one sixty two and a playoff, berth
is on the line and you think it went one
way and you thought it went on another way. And
then to your point, there's going to still be the
human element of umpiring and a strike zone even if
you have ABS. I guess, like I said, and like
you said, it was cool in the moment, I'm just

(09:28):
a little skeptical about it working bigger picture.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
Jason Stewart loves the ABS system. The show's executive producer,
you've always wanted it. Did you feel last night portrayed
what could be the future of Major League Baseball? Oh?

Speaker 7 (09:41):
Absolutely it did. My take going into the game was
that MLB was doing the umpires at a service by
having ABS in an All Star game where you're supposed
to be celebrating all the great aspects of the game.
But everything you talked about the laughter after the we reversed

(10:01):
and then the entire audience was seeing a massive flaw
in the game right now, which is the technology caught
up to the umpires a long time ago. So the
umpires on a night to night basis, if you're watching
important games, you see the umpire screwing up every time.
So my thing was, why roll it out for an
exhibition game when you could actually just have it in

(10:23):
place for games that matter in the postseason. I'm all
for it. You're not going to lose any home play
umpire jobs. They still have plenty to do behind the plate,
But stop embarrassing your umpires. Everything that we loved about
ABS last night was that's the expense of one guy
that was getting the call wrong.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Right.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
Yes, I felt bad for who got the home run
of the homeplate assignment. Yeah, like in finding out, like
guess what, honey, I got the I got the nod.
I'm gonna be the home played umpire for the All
Star Game, and I'm going to be second guests throughout
because of all the calls that I make, like nobody
else is. Like if you're at first base and you're

(11:04):
the first base ump, who cares? Second base? Same thing?
Right field line, left field line, which I think they
have in the All Star Game like they do in
the postseason.

Speaker 5 (11:12):
Who cares?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
But home point ump gets screwed last night? To that effect,
if you are if they do go full time abs,
just give the ump a chair back there during that
bat and then when the action happens and you need
to call a guy out at home then you can
stand up. But I think that that just have them
sit back and chill behind the catcher, that would be
the way to go. I could test that out at
next year's All Star Game. That would be a fun

(11:34):
thing to test out. Official chair.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Well, yeah, it gets complicated with wild pitches and things
of that nature, but uh, that would be.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
Put some rollers on it. There's there's stumping.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
Lazy Boy, the new official sponsor of Major League Baseball,
the in game interviews too much we were Fox Sports?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Was it too much by Fox hust standard or just enough? Again,
I feel like I'm being negative. It was an awesome event.
It worked because it was the All Star Game, like
Clay and Kershaw, you know, joking about yeah, yeah, throwing
it right now in the middle, you know, wish me luck.
Like that's fun when you're thirty eight years old and

(12:15):
you know that this is gonna be your last All
Star game and you're just there to have a good time.
You know, two things, two things. One can be weird
for the players. I'll also say this in theory, it
sounds fun for the fans. A lot of fans don't
like it though. Like I was watching, I was somewhere

(12:37):
and I believe it was a Subway Series game. But
there was a Sunday night game with the Mets and
they miked up Lindor and they were talking to him
during the game and they were talking, you know, they
were showing his wife and you just had baby number
two or three or whatever it was, and you go
on social media, and I know social media is in
a direct reflection, but it was like, dude, I'm not

(12:59):
a fan of the Mets.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
I don't want to hear this.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I don't care about his wife and how they travel
and kid number two versus kid number three, and I
had to be mean to his wife and his kids.
But I'm just saying And so again, I thought it
worked because it's the All Star Game, but I do
think if it becomes a one sixty two kind of
deal one hundred and sixty two games, then it's almost
like the interview with the NBA coach after the first quarter,

(13:24):
where like Greg Popovich clearly doesn't want to do it,
but clearly has to do it. And I would worry
that it would be a little bit of a beating
a dead hory.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
I felt they probably did a little too much. And
I also would say this, I think you can't start
with the starting pitcher because everything else is less Like
I would build up to it, like if you want
to talk to the first baseman, talk to Pete crow
Armstrong in the outfield like they did. And there was
a point where he and Kyle Tucker, whor Cubs teammates,
where do you have that ball or not? So it

(13:55):
was great because he was miked up at the time.
But you're not gonna get better than Trek Scuball, and
I'm saying getting shelled in Schooball relation because he rarely does,
but of him giving up hits and runs and you're
miked up in the first inning, like how do you
top that? Like it was like to me that was

(14:16):
the high point, and nothing that you could say to
Matt Olsen in the eighth when he's playing first base
could come close to what it's like to Terrek Scuball,
who's likely on his way to winning another cy Young Award,
actually getting ruffed up, like there was nothing that you
could do from that. So that may have just been
bad luck by Fox, but ultimately it's different if you
have Lindor or if you have Pca out in the

(14:38):
outfield getting interviewed. The top level is the pitcher, and
I felt like they started out it's like if you're
a rock band, you start out with your like here's
the rest of the concert. That's what I think last
night at least could have been better. And then there
were a lot of there felt like there were a
lot of interviews, Like when they got to Matt Olsen,

(14:59):
basically all you're saying is like, what do you think
of Misserowski's throwing heat right now, you got to love
these fans, all right, thanks Matt seal later, like you know,
and that's in the you know, that's in the eighth inning,
so there's only so much you could do with it.
But I do think to get scooball to be able
to talk like he did in that scenario was ultimately
a huge win.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah, Like I and I think there's a difference between
how they handled it last night, with the number of
interviews they did and you know, having one or two
situations over the course of a game. You know, to me,
it almost equates to the Manu cast, right, Like the
Manu cast is kind of fun if there's a unique
guest or whatever. But it's like, I don't know that
I want, at least I don't I can't speak. I

(15:38):
don't want four quarters of the Manu cast. Now, Like
if it's Brady on during a Patriots game and they're whatever,
that's different. And so I just bring up because I
feel like that's kind of how I feel about the
micd up players.

Speaker 4 (15:50):
Well, I think ultimately what everybody is talking about it
leads us to the end. And I don't believe that
Major League Baseball had a list of players. I don't
think that that was the case. I've been to a
few All Star games before I even told Manci yesterday.
I was at the one in New York that ended
up at We were there at like one thirty five

(16:10):
in the morning. Like it just kept there was extra
innings and going and going. And I remember, because we
had postgame duties that were sitting in the tunnel at
about you know, maybe the ninth or tenth inning, just
kind of waiting for the game to end and somebody
to score and to go in. And the co worker
that I was with New Francisco, Rodriguez, Ky Rod and

(16:31):
so like like he walked by and was like, Hey,
what's up. So he's a reliever. His night's done, so
he's gone. The game's still going on. Derek Scooble probably
wanted to leave, but he's like, well, if I'm going
to be on the hook for the loss, I'm sure
they're going to want to talk to me. But he's
out there at the bottom of the ninth inning and
street clothes. And John Hayman had a tweet that said
this list was predetermined, but there were some alterations due

(16:54):
to travel issues.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Yeah, guys just take off.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
That was the problem with two thousand and two is
people were also gone, Like players weren't there anymore. Players
leave the home run Derby early because they got parties
and places to go to and people to see. And now,
like your All Star break is Tuesday night until you
go back to your team maybe on Thursday for these teams,
so you want to have like thirty six hours to
wherever you go. So I don't think it was predetermined,

(17:19):
because there's no way that you have a Randa hitting
eleven home runs being your third home run hitter, not
that you would bring Judge to be like Aaron, I
got some bad news.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
You gotta go put the uniform money. Yeah he has.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
If you want to do it in jeans, that's fine,
go right ahead, which I thought would have been great,
But for as the ending was great, like Kyle Schwarber
made it the moment again, I think that some of
it was fly by the seat of the pants on
however they were going to do it. I like this
home run Derby better than the one that we saw
Monday night. Yeah, and just doing it in terms of swings,

(17:53):
guys getting their their reps, and but to have Schwarber
end it the way that he did, to have it
be drama filled with the al taking there the lead
rooker hit a couple and you're like, wow, you had
two out of three. How's the NL gonna respond? There
was gamesmanship of it, Like, ultimately, that is all we're
gonna remember. We can talk about abs, we could talk

(18:14):
about in game interviews, we could talk about Misarowski being
snubbed and then Ken Rosenthal asking him about it in
the dugout, all of that. What we're gonna remember is
what Kyle Schwarbur did last night, and ultimately that's the
biggest win Major League Baseball could have.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Well, you brought up an interesting point in our apprecial meeting,
which is that you know, people say, oh, it's the
best All Star Game since and it's like, I don't
really remember a lot about Pray, but it's like a compare.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
I have no idea. Yes, But to your.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
Point, everyone's gonna remember how it ended, and everyone's going
to remember this was the first of potentially you know,
there's potentially times in the future where's gonna happen, but
this is the first time that we saw it and I.
You know, I like it because it's fun. It stays
with the theme of All Star weekend of it's an exhibition.
It's a celebration of base I know I keep saying that,

(19:01):
but it's like, you know, I know that for some
they want the nice, clean resolution of a winner and
a loser.

Speaker 6 (19:08):
It's an exhibition. That's ultimately all that it is.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
And I think sometimes we get so caught up and
everything has to be this super serious, super whatever thing.
And to me this is like, you know, the Bowl
game that they pour mayo on the coach at the end,
like it's okay to have fun at a bowl game.
It really doesn't mean anything. And the All Star Game,
obviously since we've taken away home field advantage, really doesn't

(19:31):
mean anything. So have fun, be cool. This is cool ending.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
I want to ask Bonsi because she had information earlier
on there was a player that wanted this maybe ending
to go further. But just for what you said, Jason Stewart,
you kind of were put in your place kind of
what Aaron Torres was just saying right now by someone
last night on social media.

Speaker 7 (19:50):
Oh yeah, I mean to your point, Dan, I had
criticized Fox Bean and trek scuoble schoob ball, scooblo his ear.
They put a graphic up he's never given up more
than three hits in an inning or something. I'm like, yeah,
because he's never had Joe Davis talking to him in
the middle of a wind up before.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
This is weird.

Speaker 7 (20:10):
I thought it was weird, so I put out a tweet,
a snarky tweet, as I do, and some guys like, dude, yeah,
I guess it would be a big deal if it
wasn't an exhibition game and this game doesn't count. And
he basically said relax. And I'm like, you're right. As
long as you accept everything is a circus, then why
be offended by anything that happened last night?

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, and if you're playing a football game in the
Bahamas in December, you know we don't need it.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
You get the point. Yeah, yeah, I understand who said what.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
Logan Webb mentioned that he has a group text going
on and that the players instead group text feel that
they should do this instead of playing an extra inning game,
that they should just do it like that.

Speaker 5 (20:56):
I don't agree with that.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
I think that last night fun and for the moment,
I go ahead, Manci.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I was just going to add that apparently Justin Turner
said this in twenty twenty that when the game is
still tied after ten innings, it should be a home
run derby. And so now that story is tracking again
because he said this in twenty twenty, and so after yeah,
that it should be a home run derby to decide
games tied after ten innings.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's the most I guess, direct relation to what a
shootout would be in hockey, you know, pks and soccer
like that sort of thing, Like that's that's kind of
the equivalent of it. I know people don't like the
runner starting at second I actually do. I think that
it's I think that it's an interesting twist a little

(21:45):
bit in college Like in college football, their overtime isn't perfect,
but if you don't cash in on your possession to
start changes everything. So every play means something. And I
feel that like if you're in an extra game and
you have a runner on second base, if you don't
cash in in the top half, like oh boy, this

(22:07):
is this is gonna be a little this is gonna
be tricky. Maybe maybe you don't want to put them
at second, Maybe you want to put the runner at first,
but in a way to I don't mind it. I
think this would be hokey to do it, because then
it's just like, well, guess what we got Aaron Judge,
you know, the Yankees one and forty two and one
in extrating game, you know, like like that's what like

(22:28):
like that's what it would end up coming down to.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Well, and I think it's very uh twenty twenty five one,
everything being in the moment at this exact second, and
then to everybody having access to a phone and social media,
and I include myself. I'm guilty of tweeting in the
moment sometimes. But it's like it is, to your point,
very stupid.

Speaker 5 (22:48):
You know.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Again, it's fun on July fifteenth at the All Star Game.
That ultimately means nothing to your point, Yankees whatever, Orioles
Game one sixty two, you got to win to get in.
And it's like, oh, and by the way, counter that
so and so's hurt, so and so's this. We're a

(23:09):
pitching and defense team that isn't built on home runs?
What about the ballpark? You know it's a short portion, right,
but we're on the road and we don't have any lefties.
It's just it's just such the gen Z. Like, and
I sound like such an old man, it's such the
gen Z in the moment, this is the coolest thing ever.
We have to do it. No, it's it was cool
in the moment. That doesn't mean it'd be cool in

(23:31):
every moment.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
I won't even blame gen Z.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
What I'm gonna say is, it's when you go on
vacation you're like, we should move here. Yes, No, it's awesome.
It's because you're on vacation. Yeah, Like if you were
there fifty two weeks out of here, it's probably not
as great. You know what, It's awesome to stay at
a hotel room for like a weekend. My son loves
the hotel. He has no idea what it's like to
live in a hotel for like eight straight days and
you just can't wait to leave. You have to eat

(23:56):
out every night, which I know may sound awesome, but
it's not that awesome. That's what this is.

Speaker 7 (24:00):
It's like a date on any on any Batchelor show,
one of the one of the two of the couple
always says the following, I can get used to this. Yeah,
a resort on an island on TV. Yeah, where were
your food's free?

Speaker 5 (24:16):
I can get used to.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
That date when yeah, I don't have to pay for
you know, the room or any of the extra stuff.

Speaker 6 (24:22):
Yeah, I haven't met your parents yet.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Yeah, exactly, all right, he's erin Torres.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
I'm Dan byer Manci Bollaios, Jason Stewart, Ryan Smith are
here as we are in for Cavino and Rich who
were in for Dan Patrick earlier today in Atlanta as
they were at the All Star festivities.

Speaker 8 (24:35):
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Speaker 4 (24:45):
What's the saying, Aaron Torres, can't we just let sleeping
dogs lie? Is that the is that the phrase? I
believe that the the old adage of what is done
is done, let it be and move on. That is
not half opening with the dynasty that is the New
England Patriots. Welcome in. It is a Wednesday. You've made

(25:06):
it through half of the week. You got a few
more days to go, but you're on the back side
of it. So congratulations. Not only is Aaron Torres here
with me, so is Jason Stewart, Ryan Smith and Moncy
Belanos in about twenty three minutes or so, ultimate fail
in one of our favorite game shows. We're gonna bring
it to you and break it down like only Cavino

(25:28):
and rich Wood. That's all coming up on a Wednesday
here on Fox Sports Radio as Robert Craft and Bill
Belichick are at it again.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Not only are the two sides apparently on opposite sides.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
The last time Aaron that I remember these two really
going at it was privately over one Tom Brady and
Jimmy Garoppolo and who the sides wanted to keep, and
ultimately Robert Craft says, we're keeping Tom Brady, so Jimmy Garoppolo,
you're gonna be sent to the Sanford Cisco forty nine ers.
There was no Era parents at that time for New England.

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So Robert Kraft wins that one. Bill Belichick ends up
leaving as the Patriots coach. We now know he's the
head coach at North Carolina. But these two apparently have
a different sort of view in their history of how
things went down with the Patriots and really how things
started with the New England Patriots.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
It is the story that just will not die. And
I know this is going to be a theme over
the next fifteen to twenty minutes as we discussed this conversation.
But I will say this is that the thing that
I I guess annoying is the right way I find
this story to be a little bit boring and annoying.

(26:44):
Not that I don't think we should be talking about it.
I'm the one that kind of mentioned it to you
this morning. But the thing about the Patriots dynasty is
it's over. Brady's gone, Belichick's gone, Gronk's gone, Edelman's gone,
Bruski's gone, Rabell was gone. I guess he's technically back.
The only person that is still there from the glory
days is Robert Kraft. But that era of Patriots football

(27:08):
is over. And so no matter whose side you're on, Belichick,
Brady Craft, Belichick had nothing to do with it. Belichick
was the whole thing. Your opinion isn't going to change
because there is no new info. But we got two
old guys. Have you ever seen that video of the
two like CFL football players that haven't seen each other

(27:30):
in years and they start fighting in the retirement home
and they're like swinging their canes at each other. That's
what this is there's nothing that can change anyone's opinion
on what happened with the Patriots, no matter how many
times Robert Kraft talks about it, no matter how many
times Bill Belichick responds.

Speaker 6 (27:48):
And that's the fascinating part to me.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Is that on July sixteenth of twenty twenty five, what
is this now, five full years after Top Brady left
New England, Belichick released a statement in mid.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
July to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
It's just it's wild to me that these two guys
care so much about this thing all these years later.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
Well that's because Robert Kraft was on the Dudes on
Dudes podcast hosted by Gronk and Julian Edelman, and said,
this is and this is Craft's revision is history. I'll
give you a setup of how Belichick ended up responding.
But what Kraft said was that in nineteen ninety nine,
when he hired Bill Belichick, he was the one that

(28:35):
took the biggest risk. He's, oh, we have the audio
from it. Let's hear it. Let's yeah better than me,
let's hear from Robert Craft.

Speaker 9 (28:42):
I think getting Bill Belichick to come to the Patriots
in nineteen ninety nine, it was a big risk, and
I got hammered in the Boston media, but I think
he was with us for twenty four years and we
did okay.

Speaker 5 (29:02):
So Robert Kraft.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Explaining his reasoning on how he was the risk taker
that started the Patriots dynasty. There is no debating that
the Patriots took a different turn with Robert Craft as
their owner. But what an interesting sort of I don't know,
domino effect. Because when Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and Robert

(29:26):
Craft were together, they were winning Super Bowls, they were
playing in Super Bowls. They were a perennial contender year
in and year out, and the best dynasty dynasty that
we've seen in National Football League history. So then Brady leaves,
and guess what, the Patriots are kind of mid before
ultimately just falling flat. Then Belichick leaves and they've still

(29:51):
been after another year with Jod Mayo as their head coach,
completely flat. So now you've subtracted Belichick and the team
took a downward spiral, and so now Robert Craft is
the only one there. This is where I think Robert
Kraft is. We'll get to Belichick's part. This is why
I think Robert Craft is saying this number one, because
he's the only one left. And so you think to yourself, well,

(30:14):
then okay, well Robert Craft had nothing to do with this.
This is all Brady and Belichick. I also think Robert
Craft wants to go into the Hall of Fame. Sure,
and at some point he's been up for consideration as well.
We've seen owners in there, and he probably wants to
go in, as morbid as this sounds, before he dies,
well wants that honor. So now, if no one's going
to toot your horn and tell you what you've done,

(30:35):
why don't you do it?

Speaker 5 (30:36):
If you're Robert Craft.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's an important point because you know the one guy
that gets, at least in my opinion, maybe you disagree
that gets. It's a question of Belichick, Brady Brady Belichick,
And depending on what point we had this conversation in
the last twenty years, there's a different percentage for different guys.
Right at certain points, it was more Belichick, then it
was more Brady, than it was more Belichick than Brady

(30:59):
leaves he wins the Super Bowl. Now I think most
people would agree that it was more Belichick than Bray
or more Brady than Belichick. The guy that never gets
talked about is Robert Craft. And you know, he was
the only one there besides those two for all of
that entire era. And I do think he deserves some credit,
you know, kind of stayed out of the way. He
probably deserves actually a lot of credit because he wasn't

(31:22):
a helicopter owner. He wasn't you know, Matt Ishbia or
somebody demanding to be involved or wanting to be involved
or being overly involved. He let the football people do
the football stuff. You let the players play. But that's
probably part of it too, is like he's probably like, hey,
it wasn't just these two guys.

Speaker 6 (31:39):
I was.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
I have been involved from day one as well. So
maybe that's why he wants to be involved or he's
tooting his own home.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I'm sure he feels left out, yes, but Belichick, especially
when the Apple TV documentary came out, felt that he
was completely thrown under the bus by it. So Belichick
couldn't say much two reporters throughout his career. Now is
feeling like he has to defend his honor in response
to what you just heard from from Robert Kraft. The

(32:06):
funny thing is is on the Craft side of things,
like I truly don't know. And I was thinking back
in time trying to think of different ownership groups that
I felt were instrumental in them winning championships, and I
can only think of the one that I thought was

(32:26):
doctor Jerry Buss. Yes, fair in relation to what the
Lakers were, but it's also of doctor Jerry Buss providing
an atmosphere and doing so in a spot to get
the best players, to always get the superstar and then
bring in other big names around him. Now, I don't

(32:48):
remember anything in offhand in the National Football League Jerry Jones.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
We known say it's the exact opposite with Jay Jones
doesn't feel like he got enough credit.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
I think that the Steelers dynasty is wasn't wasn't Rooney based,
even though it's always been Rooney ownership, Like there's it's
it's a legacy, it's within the family, but we just
rarely have owners getting credit for their championships and their titles.
And for some reason, Robert Kraft wants that recognition.

Speaker 6 (33:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
No, And and that is an interesting point of you know,
I'm just trying to think you're off the top of
my head, you know. The other one to the Hunt
family it's not like the Hunt people were like, well,
you know, you know as.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
Good as as good as Mahomes is.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
You know who doesn't get enough credit for Clark Hunt.
So I do think it's interesting by the way, I
h ANTHI Reid, Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, I know, I didn't
really knew anything for thirty years before Reid got there.
But don't forget about Clark Hunt. Let me let me
tell you about him. No, what was I gonna say, uh,
the bell. But then the Belichick response as well, I
don't know if we want to get into that elementary

(33:53):
let's do it.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
So this was in a statement that Belichick responded to
ESPN when asked about it. Belichick says that he was
the one that basically took the big risk. Here's the
statement quote. As they told Robert multiple times through the years,
I took a big risk by taking the New England
Patriots head coaching job. I already had an opportunity to
be the head coach of the New York Jets, but

(34:16):
the ownership situation was unstable. I had been warned by
multiple previous Patriots coaches, as well as other members of
the media and NFL organizations that the New England job
was going to come with many internal obstacles. I made
it clear that we would have to change the way
the team was managed to regain the previously attained success.

(34:36):
That part of the statement that Bill Belichick made about
taking the job in New England.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Can I say something that's the least controversial thing ever,
is that they both took risks, and they are both
partly responsible I wouldn't say equally responsible in the success
of that dynasty. They did take risks, because what's the
argument about Belichick? What has he won without Brady? I
know he made the playoffs with the Cleveland Browns, but

(35:06):
wasn't the greatest coach that ever lived until he had
Tom Brady. But he's also right and that he had
another job with the New York Jets and actively chose
to not take that job to come to come to
be the New England Patriots head coach. So it's just,
you know, I guess the thing I think it is
interesting how I think both these guys to your point,

(35:28):
not only Robert Kraft, you know, being at the end
of his life wanting to get into the Pro Football
Hall of Fame, but obviously Belichick, you know, in his
what we assume final chapter at North Carolina kind of
wanting to rewrite his history as well. I guess just
the thing that I do keep coming back to is
I just don't know that no matter what either of
them says, it's going to change anyone's opinion.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
If you believe.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Brady was ninety five percent of the reason, there's nothing
Belichick's gon say. Nothing Kraft is gonna say if you
think it's more fifty to fifty, that's fine. But just
I don't think there's anything that's going to change anyone's
opinion at this way.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
I have loved Bill Belichick talking about football, and I
felt that when he did the NFL one hundred thing
where I think he was nominated for an Emmy at
that point, it was really really good. And I think
that Bill Belichick loves to talk about football, and Bill
Belichick can be a funny guy. Didn't he wear a
Navy outfit like at the Army Navy game when it

(36:23):
was played at Foxborough? I think, or something where he
dressed up in his old Navy gear too. Like that,
there is a part of Belichick that is the guy
that we don't know in the press that we saw
for so many years. So there is a different sort
of guy. I think lately with his relationship with Jordan Hudson,
it's really altered people's thinking of who Belichick is. But

(36:46):
I feel at heart Belichick is actually someone who just
loves football and is kind of a funny guy. You
just don't realize it. I think we all have those
people in your lives. You're like, you know what, that
person is, very funny, very witty. We know that Belichick
knows everything that there is about football, but you don't
know that that personality, and I think that's there with Belichick.
But again, like I said with the Apple TV thing,

(37:08):
like I said with the argument of Brady, and it
sure didn't help Belichick's argument. When Brady goes and wins
the Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, no one's taking up
for Bill Belichick. Sure, no one is going to bat
for Bill Belichick, not even the guy that hired him
in the late nineteen nineties. And now that guy is
saying that he's the one that took the risk. The
only reason that Bill Belichick ended up being on Robert

(37:28):
Kraft's I guess short list in bringing him in was
because of his experience it had with Bill Parcells when
they were together or going to a super Bowl in
the mid nineteen nineties. So that's where I think it's
unfair to Belichick to say, and Belichick did leave the
Jets and how the Jets situation went down with Bill Parcells,
that was all kind of a mess that Belichick was
caught up in as well. But I just this revisionist

(37:50):
history of looking back at who took the risk and
who did this and who did that, it falls on
a lot of deaf ears. That's why you think. I
think that you're saying this is kind of a non
story as well, because the Patriot's dynasty is what it is,
and I don't know how many people care who takes
credit for getting the things start at, whether it be

(38:11):
Craft or Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Yeah, this is a story that is very clearly, deeply
personal to these two individuals.

Speaker 6 (38:21):
Is it a story to anybody?

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I mean, listen, the Brady versus Belichick angle to it
will be a sports talk debate that withstands the test
of time, right, But this idea that Craft either didn't
get enough credit or we're trying to diminish Belichick, it
just feels extremely personal. It's why during the Tom Brady roast,

(38:47):
everything flew up until it was time for Robert Craft
and Bill Belichick to take a shot together.

Speaker 6 (38:54):
Think about all the things that they said about Tom.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Brady during that Tom Brady roast, including about his now wife,
None of it seemed to none of it seemed to
cross the line. And the only time that it got
weird was when Belichick and Craft were asked to take
a shot together. I'm just picturing it in my head
right now as we speak, and so I just think
that it is something that is very clearly, deeply personal

(39:17):
to both of them. They do not like each other.
I just think that while it's very interesting to them,
it's two big names, it's one of the great runs
in the history of sports that we've ever seen. I
just don't know why we as consumers are supposed to care,
because again, there's no new chapters to It'd be like
me and you today, this would be like it'd be

(39:39):
like Peyton Manning releasing a statement on why he doesn't
get enough credit for his role in the Manning versus Brady.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Rivalry.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
You'd be like, who cares, It's over, It's been over
and it's just I don't know. I just I understand
why both guys are passionate about protecting their legacy. I
just don't know why it was a lead story on
ESPN today, because I don't know why we as consumers
are supposed to care. And I certainly don't think there's
anything new to the story that should drag us back in.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
I think Belichick's speaking and saying what he's saying, especially
after the sixty minutes debacle of what he's allowed to say,
is interesting. I also, honestly just think it's really crappy
of Robert Kraft to say something about Bill Belichick. What
was more in the podcast was he said, I gave
up a number one draft pick for a coach that

(40:33):
had only won a little over forty percent of his
games to get him out. It's a really crappy thing
to do to say, especially because I think we all
look back at the forty percent. We look at Bill
Belichick's tenure in Cleveland as one of great success because
he had the Browns as a playoff team and because

(40:56):
the team ended up being then sold and or excuse me,
moving should say like the tenure ended abruptly, but you
can't say that he didn't have success there, So for
him to go and use that against Bill Belichick again
after knowing everything about him from their time together in

(41:16):
New England, I just think it's a really crappy thing
for Robert Kraft to do. And what makes it worse
is that it sure seems that Robert Craft is trying
to say that stuff to prop himself up. So Belichick
has nothing else but to do but to actually defend
his name, because it sure doesn't seem like anybody is
rushing to his defense, especially and this would tick me

(41:38):
off as well if Rock or Edelman aren't calling Craft
out in terms of what he said. So now you
have former players who are like it or not inadvertently
brought into the mix and all of a sudden they
look like they side with Robert Craft. So if you're
Bill Belichick, like him or not, like it's a crappy
spot to be him, and if nobody else is gonna
defend him, he emails to defend himself.

Speaker 6 (41:59):
Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
I'm debating if I feel any different about Gronk and Edelman.
I mean, you know, they're not journalists, think they're innocent
like bystanders. But they get drawn into it because they
draft said it on their podcast and they didn't necessarily
go up and at least I don't hear anyway request.

Speaker 6 (42:18):
To it, And I'm not.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
I understand why Belichick would be mad, But it doesn't
make any of us think any different about Belichick, right, Like,
it's no different than when you know, Lebron does his
podcast with Kadi and they're making fun of Jordan taking
time off to play baseball. It's like, doesn't make me.
They're allowed to have their opinions. It doesn't make me

(42:44):
feel different about Jordan though, and it again, that was
something that was kind of crappy to say about Jordan,
But doesn't make me me as a consumer, feel different.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
You know, we just talked about Wyndham Clark a little
while ago and in what Wyndham Clark was doing at
the Oakmont locker room. Oakmond didn't have to release a
statement as this said. The US opening comes around in
twenty thirty three is going to far down the line.
But they decided to take a stand because that they
felt that there was a wrong. That's kind of why
I think Belichick. Belichick could have just let it go

(43:14):
off to the ether. And been like whatever, but they
decided to take a stand, or he decided to take
a stand to defend his his own honor into what
he did. And I just think that the forty percent,
you know, the forty percent win there, you know the
four Yeah, it's just kind of passing. Then he's like,

(43:34):
but I think we did okay, and it tries to
soften it, but it doesn't like I'd be ticked off
too if I was Bill Belichick.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, you've kind of talked me into this a little bit,
because you know, we've I think especially in our business.
We're certainly not as high profile as Bill Belichick, but
people say stuff about us all the time, and there's
sometimes that I think we all decide to just say
screw it.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
I don't need to respond.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
To everything, but there are certain things that are said
by certain people that you're like, you know what, but
screw that guy, screw that girl, whatever. I'm not letting
that person say anything without me getting my side of
the story out and letting you know how I really
feel about that person. So maybe I think you've actually
talked me into it a little bit of why maybe
the statement from Belichick made a little bit more sense.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
He's her and Torres, I'm dan Byer. Our final thing,
Do you think.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Bill Belichick needs to prove anything at North Carolina?

Speaker 8 (44:24):
No.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
And I'll be very quick on this, and it relates
to the Nick Sabin story from Greg McElroy earlier this week.
I don't think Sabin's coming back. But I think Sabin
coming back would only hurt his legacy unless he leads
another school to a national championship. But I don't think
his legacy can get any higher. And I think Belichick's
almost the opposite. I don't think people really have crazy

(44:48):
high expectations for North Carolina. So like, if he goes
seven and five and six and six and in two years,
he's just like, I'm out. I don't think it changes
how we feel about Bill Belichick the head co coach.
I do think it would change if he has a
great deal of success, We're like, oh, he actually was
pretty good. And to your point, it wasn't just a
thing with Brady, and you know, he did lead the

(45:10):
Browns to the playoffs, and he did have this great
twenty year run with the Patriots, and he did lead
Carolina to the an eleven in one season. Remember when
that happened, So I actually think it's the opposite. I
think a good season or a good run elevates his legacy.
I don't think that anything short of something truly a
debacle like one and eleven whatever, I don't unless that happens,

(45:34):
I don't think it hurts his legacy.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
And they're not going to. I think that it could.
I agree with you on building it up. I do
think that it could hurt him in a way. I
think almost North Carolina may have more of a risk
in terms of the fallout. It hasn't been good, like
the of what's going on in the headlines over these
last couple of months, and the girlfriend aspect of it,
like it hasn't been this rosy relationship, and people are wondering,

(45:56):
g's he's gonna make it the June first, while he did.
He ended up making it that far as their head coach.
But then you're wondering, all right, is this just a
succession plan? And so forth. But I think that there
it may. I don't think it was a no brainer
by any means, but I actually think that there could
be fallout from hiring him, Whereas I don't think that
North Carolina thought there was when they brought him on.

Speaker 6 (46:17):
Yeah, really quickly.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
On that point, I think it's an interesting one because
with Belichick, you know you're gonna get kind of the snarky,
mean spirited guy with the media that doesn't really give
much access to anybody. But when he was with the Patriots,
he's winning so much that it doesn't matter if he
doesn't win at that level, which I think most of
us don't think he's going to, then you just kind
of got an old, grumpy, mean guy as your head

(46:39):
coach without any of the benefits of being maybe the
greatest coach of all time.

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I'm a big game show fan. I love game shows
since I was a kid. I don't know if people
truly think of Jeopardy as a game show. If it is,
it's the highest level of it. Because I always felt

(47:52):
growing up Jeopardy you just had to be smart. You
had to be a really, really smart person. I know Jeopardy,
he's a game show. The point I'm saying is I
think growing up I had price is right that we
all still love. Let's make a deal. There's those shows
going on Jeopardy, quiz show. You gotta know your stuff.
It's not just like you get randomly picked you can

(48:13):
win ten thousand dollars. You gotta know your stuff. You
gotta earn it. Jeopardy has changed throughout the years, and
obviously Alex Trebek's passing USHERT and Ken Jennings now as
the new host, so there are things that are different,
but I think it's taken a change. Jason Stewart is
our executive producer. Aaron Torres. He is smitten by Jeopardy

(48:34):
and you record every night and watched last night's episode
as well.

Speaker 7 (48:39):
It's the one thing and I know you guys could
appreciate this. Everybody here, the one thing that you and
your significant other can do. We walk off thirty minutes
and we watch Jeopardy every night. She kicks my ass.
She gets like for every ten answers she gets right,
I get one. And it's fine. That's great. And something
happened last night that was just ex special for us

(49:01):
in the sports industry, because we forget not everybody is
as tapped into sports as we are.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
Let's hear what happened on last night's Jeopardy episode when
it came to this category, can.

Speaker 10 (49:17):
We hit for the cycle for two hundred? As you
might guess, this hit is the rarest one in the cycle.
Ellie de la Cruz completed the feed with one June
twenty third, twenty twenty three, Pete, what's the home run? No,
scot O, Carl. The triple much rareer than the home run.

Speaker 4 (49:34):
Okay to you, Pete, Yeah, sorry, Pete. We're gonna take
it from here. I want to break this down Ryan.
If you can get the if you can get the
pause button ready, can you play?

Speaker 5 (49:45):
Can you play that again?

Speaker 8 (49:47):
Can we hit for the cycle for two hundred?

Speaker 10 (49:50):
As you might guess, this hit is the rarest one
in the cycle. Ellie de la Cruz completed the feed
with one June twenty third.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Okay, so can I ask really quick? Was a cycle like?
Was thus cycle in baseball the entire category? Or was
this one question in cycle related?

Speaker 7 (50:09):
It was like a kind of like an MLB All
Star kind of like category baseball cycles.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Yes, okay, okay, and so basically single, double, triple, and
home run weren't all of the answers. Obviously, as you
went along, they didn't know that this one was the
answer that they needed. But I paused it at that
point because this is my problem with Jeopardy right now.
If you were maybe a Reds fan, like you would

(50:38):
you would be like, oh, I remember, you know, Elie
de la Cruz had that that triple and he got
the cycle. The question is, I feel in the old
days would have been it's the most difficult, you know
piece to get in the cycle. It would just that
would have been the question. Now, I feel that Jeopardy
tries to lead you on and give you hints to

(51:00):
dumb it down for the contestants and to your point,
as I told you this before, and you think it's
for the listener, the viewer at home.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Yeah, I mean Jay Stu plays with his significant other.
I like watching it and listen nobody nobody wants to
feel too dumb where they're like, well, there's no reason
for me to tune in because I can't get any
of these questions right, I will say, though, to your point,
I don't know if I've gotten smarter through the years.
I don't think that's the answer. But it does feel

(51:29):
like I'm getting more questions as time goes on.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
Jason Stewart, you kind of know what I'm talking about.
What's your theory on this? Like these added little clues
that they I feel that they put into these questions
or should I say answers.

Speaker 7 (51:41):
So this is how nerdy we are On the weekends
when there is not a new episode to watch, we
watch Game Show Network prior episodes. So we've been watching
a lot of the twenty twenty five years ago when
Ken Jennings was actually a contestant stuff. And I think
I noticed this the questions back then. I don't think
we're harder, but they definitely weren't as complicated. So I

(52:05):
think the questions back then were easier, and I really
do think the questions now are harder and they need
an explanation. Does that make sense? So because I get
a lot more correct answers from the shows from twenty
years ago.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
I really I think that these answers are leading. I
think they are leading you to a place. MANCEI are
you a Jeopardy viewer.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
I am the person that Aaron said that doesn't watch
because I feel stupid af watching that because I don't
know a single answer, and even the sports ones, I'm like,
I know it, but the wording is confusing me.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
And how do I do this?

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I hate Jeopardy, but I'll watch it.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
I think that there has been a quite a push
in quite a turn. I felt that the reason you
watched Jeopardy previously was because you were smart and Alex
Trebek was the star. To Aaron's point, I think when
you're competing at home, I think that that is a
big part of it. I also think that Jeopardy is
turned into a game where the host is no longer
the star. It's the actual contestant. Jeopardy is better when

(53:08):
Ken Jennings is there, or James Holtzauer or Amy Johnson
or any of their other you know, great champions that
they had for on those long streaks, because that's when
you gain momentum. I think they fell onto something with
Ken Jennings, and now all of a sudden, you got
Tournament of Champions, you got Tournament a While, you got

(53:29):
all these different games like that's it's now been so
much more about the contestant and the people at home
that I think that Aaron Torres is right. You think
the questions are harder. I think that they're much easier
than what they used to.

Speaker 7 (53:41):
Let me give you an example, just totally random example,
and I'm probably getting the city wrong, but like they
will start the question by saying she won her talent
contest when she grew up in Flint, Michigan and you're like,
there's no way in hell I'm getting that, and then
they'll add then she became the material girl.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Know.

Speaker 7 (54:00):
Oh, it's like it's impossible to get the first half
and then they fill you in with something easier. So
I don't know if I'm making my point correct. They
are harder questions that need filler, it seems nowadays when
I look at both shows, the contrast, all.

Speaker 5 (54:14):
Right, let's get oh, sorry, go ahead, no all.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
I was saying, we were talking about this a little bit before,
but that's when I watched, Like with my wife, she
gets She's like, how did you know that? And I
think I don't know most of the answers. You need
the context of you know, hey, you know this state
capital that starts with Q is and I don't think

(54:37):
there is one, But you get the point and then
it's like, oh, well that eliminates it down to three,
and then you just take a guess and if you're smart.

Speaker 5 (54:43):
You know if you get one or three.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
Aaron used the letter E like in the pre shows,
you're kind of talking about this, so I like thought
of a cute like a clue, like the category is
E sports and then what they will do is they
would say like this NHL city had a great run
of championships in the nineteen eighty something to gush over.

Speaker 5 (55:03):
And then you'd be like edmon, you know, like yeah, you.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
Know to Aaron's point, like okay, how many e cities
are there in the NHL? And then all right, well
then you And then my point is you add the
gushing part. Sure, oh there's a hint of leading you
to the to the other answer. I get Jason's part,
but I don't think it's as simplistic as his material.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Girl, clue.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
See what the problem is. We're all nerds.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
None of us are big enough nerds as Jay Stu
to go back and watch episodes from twenty five years
ago to have the full context.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
So but we're we're we're sports nerds, and I always
feel dumb when they have they're like, let's do Shakespeare.
That's when I leave, like, you know, absolutely, Shakespeare for
two thousand. I don't even I pick up my phone
like that's what I do at that point. My favorite
one is Babylonia for eight hundred. Who knows anything about Babylonia?

Speaker 5 (55:59):
What is that?

Speaker 1 (56:00):
So here's the question, though, as sports people. You'll see
like the two thousand dollars sports question, and the answer
would be like this Buffalo Bill's quarterback who just was
on the fringe of a super Bowl. And we're like, obviously,
Patrick Mahomes. So for all these actual smart people are
they are they sitting there like, well, duh, it's obviously
Romeo and Juliet.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
Yes, I think they are on I think there are
obviously obviously it was Macbath an idiot. That's what makes
the last part of this. Can you just play the
rest of it just quickly, then we'll get to Manci,
who's been waiting patiently for giving us the update.

Speaker 5 (56:35):
Go ahead and play the clue over if if you want.

Speaker 10 (56:37):
Twenty twenty three, Pete, what's the home run? No scot Her,
Carl the triple, that's rare.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
That's Jason's favorite part is the home run was wrong
by the way. He thought.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
He was like, the home run, yeah, suck it, suck it,
but that wasn't. And then the other two well, radio
silo of this is that it's a two hundred dollars question.
It's in the first round. There's literally no risk to
get in it wrong. So once home runs taken off

(57:09):
the board. You only you're down to a multiple choice,
which you know you never get multiple choice on Jeopardy,
So click in and pick one of the other three.
You probably know it's not a single. But I'm thinking
these people are such nerds and don't know anything about sports.
They don't even know what the others are. Yeah, well
that's what I thought. Grand Slam? What is grand Slam?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Well, did you guys saw the page Beckers Caitlyn Clark
clue the other day where the answer was Paige Beckers.
They were like, this women's basketball player and the first
person who is Kaitlyn Clark. He's like, sorry, that's wrong,
And then no one knew any other women's basketball player on.

Speaker 6 (57:44):
The planet, So it's kind of incredible.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
What is sacrifice punt? What Hank Aaron?

Speaker 4 (57:52):
That's oh man, so good. I used to never mind
who cares? Were a ton of time? That's what a
Monzie getting us the latest. I can talk about game
shows for days.