05/22/2021 - FOX Sports Saturday with Steve Hartman and Geoff Schwartz - Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Yes, living the dream
once again on a fabulous Saturday, Hartmann and Schwartz with
you from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Oh to say
that we have a pot pourri of sports activity with
be the understatement of the century. Jeff, how are you
to now? Jeff? Here's the thing about Jeff Schwartz. So

(00:23):
I missed you last week. By the way, Jeff, sorry,
it was as uh. I couldn't do it as him
Dallas helping my buddy just it wasn't gonna work. But
I'm glad to be back though. It's great to have
you back now. I never know where Jeff's gonna be,
and he's coast to coast folks. I mean normally his
hub is in Carolina, but he's a so Cow guy. Uh,
and you're back in SoCal I am very nice like that.

(00:45):
I'm gonna see you next week, Jeff. What do you
think you will see you next? Say? I'm actually closer
to your house now than you are to your else.
Thank you. Pretty funny. I'm in I'm in beautiful Carl's Bad.
We come here my parents have a time share and
and we come here once a year except the only
The only complaint I have is that it's like never
hot enough to go in the pool, like my kids
will do no matter what. And it's a very I

(01:07):
get it's a very bougie complaint, right because I'm in
Carl's Bad, I'm at the four Seasons. I'm like, it's fantastic,
it's great. But it's like, that's what, that's the best.
And when I was, you know, when I was in
southern California and west of last couple of days, I
walked outside, you feel the breeze, the offshore breeze, you

(01:28):
feel the sun, but it's not too hot, right but
it's not. It's so it's it's just perfect and you
feel good. But then I'm in two and a half
hours of traffic going on the five yesterday and I
realized why I don't like to be here very often.
But nonetheless, I'm glad to be here. I'm glad to
talk sports, and you're right, we have so much to
talk about. Normally it's just football, so I like to
branch out. We have a lot of other topics, other

(01:50):
sports going on right now. We actually NBA playoffs at
this exact moment, and of course it's just an Eastern
Conference game that is the most boring game possible because
it feels like a lot of what this conference has
to offer most years in the playoffs if Lebron is
not in the East. Alright, so let's let's start with
a little NBA talk right now, because let's face like, folks,
the NBA screwed up big time with the play in tournament.

(02:15):
And why do they screw up in the play in
tournament because you put one of the few players that
actually gets eyeballs and you took him out of the
playoffs where under the old format he would have been
in the playoffs. A Utah Memphis series unless you are
a die hard Jazz fan or a Grizzlies fan, is

(02:37):
gonna get no eyeballs. But if you had had a
Utah Golden State matchup, because Steph Curry's on the court,
the league's leading score who had a historic season this year,
even if they were to get swept, the possibility of
him raining in threes. Look, Jeff, you got about five
players in this league maybe that moved the needle five

(03:00):
and he's one of them. So by taking him out
of what would have been a first round series for him,
against Utah is a disaster. You are going to get
no numbers for Utah Memphis. It becomes a zero series.
And this argument that the NBA made about you know, well,
this way you get teams aren't tanking or they're not

(03:22):
doing this. I got news to you. Teams were tanking
over the last couple of days. Teams are holding out
players all over the players, everybody. There were a lot
of teams that tanked. Denver tanked their last game because
they didn't want a certain matchup, So it didn't change anything.
And even if teams are tanking at the end of
the year, nobody's watching regular season basketball. If you're the networks,

(03:46):
you're rolling the dice that you're gonna get some dynamic
postseason basketball. And that's predicated on intriguing players on the
court because the NBA is the one league where it's
never about the teams. It's always about the end of
vigital players. It really began with magic job, excuse me,
with Michael Jordan's the spotlight on the individual, and you

(04:06):
just took out Steph Curry. You just took him out
of what would have been a guaranteed slot as an
eight seed against Utah to suddenly put some spice into
an otherwise meaningless opening around series and you just took
him out. Great job, NBA. So I feel like I'm
the consumer the NBA is trying to to to have

(04:29):
watched more often. Right. I like basketball. I always like basketball. Um,
you know, my favorite team is the Lakers, and I'm
on the East Coast, so it's hard to watch them
as much during the regular season. But but they want
someone like me to watch Utah play Golden State, right,
Like that, They're gonna get me to like, who's a
football guy who also loves baseball, who hasn't young kids,

(04:49):
who's busy with family, busy with work, to be like,
you know what, I gotta sit down and watch Utah
play Golden State, right, I want to watch Steph Curry
play that. I believe I'm the person who the NBA,
with their new scheduling, is trying to get right because
the die hard fans are gonna watch, right, the fringe fans, Yeah,
you're probably gonna watch the Lakers and and the Sixers

(05:10):
like you're kind of like the big teams, right and
Steph Curry? Right, and Steph Curry And I said this
from from from the beginning of the playing tournament, to
me seemed very foolish. People say, well, look at the
big numbers they brought in. That's one game with the
Lakers and the words. Imagine if there were seven games
where the Lakers in the Wars playing each other, right, Like,
that's the point is that if you have the superstars
playing these playoff games, you're gonna get more attention to

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the league. And for me, as again someone who I
got the game on right now, I'll be watching it today,
but I'm in San Diego, got my kids around, Like
I would sit in front of a TV TV probably
if it was Steph Curry instead of watching the Grizzlies play. No,
John Morant is exciting, had a good game yesterday. I'm
not taking anything away from them, but they also were
the nine seed. Right The Warriors did finish eighth in
the old system. That got him into the playoffs. So

(05:55):
to me, again, the playoffs, the playing tournament sounds good,
sound good on paper. We got one great game with
amazing ratings, But in the end, Grizzlies Jazz, sorry Grizzly
Jazz fans, that's not appetizing. No, I mean it always
comes down to risk reward. Like you say, risk reward, Well,
they were rewarded by a Golden State Lakers game that

(06:16):
went down the stretch. Lebron plays hero by hitting that
miraculous three point shot. But then what was the risk.
The risk was that suddenly by losing that game, you
have the possibility the Golden State, even though they were
on their home court, could actually lose. And guess what,
they lost, Bye bye Steph Curry before the playoffs even begin.

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And he was one of the great stories in the NBA,
carrying this team down the stretch on his shoulders with
you know, you know, no Clay Thompson and and just
a lot of dynamic to get the Warriors back in
the mix. A Warrior's team that was in the finals
five straight years, a Warrior's team that gets eyeballs because
of Steph Curry, and you just took him out, so wonderful.

(07:00):
Just a disaster for this league. And people will say, well,
you know they had they lost two games in a row,
fair enough, but guys, we realized one of their losses
was to the favorite in the Western Conference and it
was an over a time game that took plenty out
of them. Remember that game was at Staples Center, so
they have a late game Wednesday that goes over time.

(07:21):
I know it was late because I was past my
bedtime because normally, as you know, I have to get
up so early to do my morning radio show. So
I stayed up to the very end obviously of that game.
And then they go home. But they they they were
in a deep hole early in the game against Metest,
they had to try to come back. They did come

(07:41):
back very late in that game and couldn't finish the job,
and then they losing overtime. So I mean, again, risk reward,
how much did you really gain one big night of
ratings for one game you just lost Stephen Curry for
at the very least the best of seven series against
Utah on the opening around, I'm I'm with you, um,

(08:03):
I will say, NBA fans, I don't know, Steve, if
there's anyone who defends their league more than NBA fans
defend their league like and they're diet And my son
is one of those. You know, my son, Garrett is
he lives breeze everything. NBA they defend their league to
the death man like I mean, NFL fans will be like, yeah, goodell,
yeah he screwed that up, or this team screwed that up. Man.

(08:25):
NBA fans go hard. They are they are, they come up.
I mention anytime you mentioned any better about the NBA.
And again, I don't just like the NBA. Like I'm
NBA fan, I'm gonna watch a lot of the playoffs,
but I'm just like, I'm not sure that, like that's
you want to have your better players out, Like, no,
you don't want your better players out. You want your
best players in the biggest spotlight, which is the postseason.

(08:47):
And again, how many NBA players seriously move the needle, Like, Okay,
I gotta see this guy, Steph Curry is on that
very short list. He would have been on in the
in the playoffs under the old format. Now he's out
of the play us with the play and turning. But
by the way, I lean on Jeff here, ladies and gentlemen,
because he's a man that has been known to place
a wager or two. Now, we know you're heavily into football.

(09:11):
We know you you'll have baseball, and we got plenty
of baseball we're gonna get to today. What about these
NBA playoffs? Yeah, I got the Lakers at plus four
fifty to win the title. That and now they moved.
I think I saw the consensus was like plus two
eighty today, um to win it all. Yeah, a seventh seed,
by the way, I believe they are the first time
in an opening around series that a seventh seed. It's

(09:33):
not only favorite over the two seed, like they are
overwhelming favorites against the Phoenix Suns. Yeah, I, um, they're
overly favorites. Um. Look, I think that it's very clear
that if Lebron and a D are healthy, even with
their supporting cast, they're not shooting threes terribly well this year,
But if they are, they're almost unbeatable, right, So well,
they added Andre Drummond, who obviously is upgrade for them

(09:56):
in the middle. They've only had drum And with A
D and Lebron for two games this year. Yeah, so
you figured a little more time is all. I'm gonna
help that. And I think you're you're dealing with this
on both sides, right. The Lakers and the Nets both
obviously the most talented teams I think top to bob. Now,
the Clippers obviously have a temp very talented players, but

(10:17):
they're the Clippers. You've known the Clippers for as long
as as I as I have. Um, I don't trust
the Clippers ever like they've They've never shown in their
entire franchise history. I know that, Oh it's every year
is different. What is it really? Because the bad teams
and the teams that kind of choke all the time
always stay choking, right, always stay not living up the expectations.
I don't believe the Clippers. I mean maybe with the

(10:37):
coaching change, they're they're up to task. I just steve,
I don't believe in them, like I kind of have
to see it before. So we were asked here at
Fox Sports Radio fill out you know our predictions for
the playoffs. I did mind this morning as well. I
got Dallas upstanding the Clippers in the first round they played.
The last year was a six game series. But you know,

(10:57):
the Clippers. I do like the Clippers in a sense, like,
you know, could Paul George be any worse than he
was last year in the playoffs? I hope not for
the clippers sake. And I do like the Rondo dynamic.
I think that replacing Lou Williams or Rondo as far
as postseason basketball, that's enough grade. Um. But there's something
like you just said about the Clippers where they're just

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certain teams that are just destined to be that team
that will underachieve, never really fulfill their promise, even with
a Kauai Leonard, who is obviously a guy that has
an incredible pedigree when it comes to postseason basketball. Yeah,
but in my brack, I picked the Mavericks to beat
the Clips first round. Yeah. I mean I don't think
I did that. I think I kind of just went

(11:40):
mostly chalked because that's you know, the NBA. I feel
like in the end, that's kind of what matches. There's
a lot of yeah and so um again to me
in the Western Conference, the Jazz are a great story,
the Sons are a great story. But are you telling
me that you get healthy Lebron? And look, there's a
lot of weird tear this year. Right. They had the
shortest offseason of any sports in history. Right, I mean

(12:01):
it's as short as ever, so they dealt with some injuries.
But Lebron said basically like, look, I kind of just
took it easy when I could have come back. We
kind of all felt that down the stretch. Um. Luckily,
Adam Silver did not make him go on the ten
day like quarantine for being in the Cuba party, which
everyone knew he was never gonna get quarantined. Um And
again because of the length of the series, Steve, if

(12:21):
this is a five game series as it used to be, okay,
maybe we have some more, but seven games series, Man,
you gotta beat the Lakers four out of seven times
in any of these series. Obviously to advance. That's hard
to do if you're the Sons. It's hard to do
if you're any team in the NBA outside of probably
the Nets. So to me, it's I go I went
very Chalko, I went Brooklyn, and I went l A

(12:43):
in the finals. I took the Lakers as a Lakers fan. Um,
but I just feel I feel like it's very chalky.
I just think in the end, especially with the Nets
right now, they've played two games or three games now
with kind of their Big three altogether, and my basic
concerned with Brooklyn and I wonder if you feel the
same way as the Big three. Durant's the guy at

(13:05):
the end of the game, right if there's one guy
get the balls. Durant. Do they know that yet? Are
they are they ready for I'll put it this way,
Durant will remind them, just like he reminded when he
joined Golden State with the two time m v P
Steph Curry, you may be the m v P on
the guy, Okay, and that's yeah. Durant will not even
give an option to Harden and Irving when it comes

(13:26):
to who's taking a shot at the end of the game. Okay.
So but but that's my biggest concerns, like are they
ready for that? Like okay, you know, and and okay,
but again, in a seven game series in the first round,
they have plenty of time to figure it out. And like,
that's the thing about the NBA playoffs is I don't
think they should change the distance, I mean, the mount
of games. I'm fine with the way it is. But

(13:47):
you know, you can have two losses, you have three losses.
We saw last year and you know, in the in
the playoffs, the Lakers, like he had one game every
series where it's like, oh jeez, what are they what
are they doing? And it's got blown out and look,
I mean, like you said, the better team over the
best four out of seven, which every roundie is obviously,
uh usually is gonna come out on top. So we're
gonna have much more as far as the NBA Playoffs

(14:09):
are concerned. Just gonna have some fearless picks, good teams
to pick in the opening round of these series. But
I want to get to baseball. I want to get
a little baseball in today as well. And where old
school meets new school, this is a big question moving
forward for Major League Baseball, the infusion of a new
school mentality to shove old school off the page. But

(14:32):
there's one major hold out right now. We'll tell you
about it coming up next. Steve Harbin and Jeff Schwartz
with you on this Saturday. John Ramos on the board today.
Did not expect to see John this morning, nor did
John expect to be here this morning. But it happens.

(14:53):
You always have to expect the unexpected, my friend. You know,
we've seen plenty of that over the years. But if
I always going to see you, you are the shining
spot of what I do when I come in on
the weekends. You know, Jeff, John and I long history,
long history, many many many, many, many many many shows
over the years. I mean, it's unbelievable when you show

(15:14):
up all of a sudden, John Rum hits the phone
call and God sports it. Then I'll take that Saturday.
That's what I said. Hey, we got a story brewing
right now at the PGA Golf Championship. You know a
lot of people say, no Tiger, who cares? And I
would say for a lot of people, I understand that,
But we have a story going. So Phil Mickelson was

(15:35):
tied for the lead after two rounds and a lot
of people felt like, all right, you know Phil's past
the age of fifty. He's the oldest golfer ever to
win a major golf championship. Was your all time Hall
of Famer Julius Burrows back in the nineteen was forty
eight years old. He looked about seventy at the time. Anyway,
Phil Mickelson after three holes, he started the day tied

(15:59):
for the lead. He now has a three shot lead
after three holes. So Louis it was days that was
that was his second shot on a part. Four said
the tap in. So he tapped that in to get
his second birdie in a row. So Phil Michelson goes
to the fourth hole right now with a three shot lead,

(16:22):
and again, if he were to win the p g A.
He would be the oldest golfer ever to win a
major golf championship. So that's a that could be a
pretty cool story tomorrow. He looks good man, and this
is a tough course, and I think, um, you know,
having the savvy that he can play with and the
different shots he can do. Obviously everyone can have those shots,
but the precision with which he stoops with that's great

(16:44):
on a course like this with all the wind, with
with with the bunkers, the waist bunkers everywhere, um uh,
and just the just the way this course is playing.
This is a is a hard course. It's it's hard, yeah,
I mean for you and I we we you would
not enjoy yourself. First of all, the length of this course.
It's the longest course ever used for a major golf

(17:05):
Chief really enjoy myself playing a municipal course in Charlotte.
I just do it because I like having a cigar
in the middle of day with my friends. Like I don't.
I don't really go because I'm I'm that terribly good
at golf. Um, but yeah, I mean today would be
it would be so frustrating for any average golfer. I
think one makes golf so fun to watch and so
appealing to me. Obviously everyone can make you know, watching
the best play is fantastic any sport, but you know,

(17:28):
it's the only sport where sometimes they look like we do.
Oh yeah every now and then they shake up all
You're like, oh yeah, I did that last week. Um,
but I can relate to that. Well. I was talking
to the I was watching with my son. So you know,
I'm the old five eleven five pound guy, right, but
my my boys, My my youngest is like six three
two oh five and my older one is like six

(17:50):
to fifteen. These are big size guys, and we're watching
these golfers are like five nine hundred fifty pounds blasting
the ball yard three at thirty yards. So I'm like, guys,
play more golf. I'm telling he go out to the
raids man. That's what I was doing at your age.
We're taking my son to a golf camp in a
couple of weeks. He's super punked. This is first time golfing.

(18:13):
He really wanted to do a golf camp. So hopefully
he enjoys it and we'll get him into some It's
a it's a game. I mean, you can play it forever.
By the way, speaking of old school new school. So
there you got, so an old school story could be
a great story as far as golf is concerned. If
Phil Mickelson where to win the PG Championship this weekend,
I'll tell you where old school is not working right

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now is major League Baseball. So Major League Baseball is
desperate to get new eyeballs. And we saw this a
year ago in San Diego where the pod Race suddenly
emerge where no one's ever taken notice of them before.
Sort of a sexy team because of Fernando Tatis Jr.

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And what he brought was not just the fact that
he was an insanely towned he player, but he had
some showmanship. I mean he was spectacular field. You know,
he would drop the bad little bat, flip little shimmy
out there, and some old school baseball people were just horrified.
But Major League Baseball realized, no, no no, no, no no, no, no,
we need more of that because we have got to

(19:19):
somehow get a younger dynamic to watch our game. So
in the off season, is Major League Baseball is promoting
coming off the COVID Here they're promoting players like Fernando
tad t Shin and we got a new attitude, new attitude.
We've got a new school rules. All those old school
rules are out. Well, there is a holdout, a big

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time hold out, and that is the seventies six year
old manager who's in the Hall of Fame for the
Chicago White Sox, Tony LaRussa. Now, if you miss this,
what happened was is that Mercedes Yrmen Mercedes of the
White Sox. And by the way, us let's make this note.

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The White Sox, at least going into today's game, they're
getting shelled by the Yankees right now, had the best
record in the American League. But Mercedes comes in and
a game against Minnesota and minutes it's a blowout games.
One of those blowout games are suddenly you have a
position player pitching. Right, it's fifteen to four. You're not
gonna waste any more pictures. So he just wanted to

(20:21):
get to the game. You throw awa a position player
out to pitch and it's a three oh pitch, right,
this guy is not a pitcher, obviously, and he's just
trying to get it over the plate. And on a
three oh pitch, Mercedes rockets it, hitting a home run,
and immediately the next time or said he was up,

(20:43):
he gets beaned, or that you know the guy missed him,
he threw behind him. So what happened with Mercedes manager? Well,
First of all, Tony Larusa called him out for hitting
at home run on a three oh pitch against a
position player, and then compounded that by defending the Twins

(21:07):
for actually throwing at one of his players. Now you
want to lose a locker room or a clubhouse quick,
But I want to read a line for you to
show you to illustrate exactly where LaRussa stands. So Lance
Lynn one of the best pictures in baseball, right, He's
now on the White Sox. And when he was asked
about the whole home run situation off a position player,

(21:29):
he said, there are no rules when a position player
is pitching, adding the more I play this game, the
more of those unwritten rules have gone away. Tony LaRussa
responded to these comments by his own picture by saying,
Lance has a locker, I have an office. I don't agree,

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Meaning you're a player. I'm running the show. So where
are we going with this? Right now? Jeff? Well, the
last Dingy, the last thing was that Luisa apologize of
worse because his player has probably pulled him aside. It
was like, dude, what do you do? You ever back
or not? Right? Even if you disagree with the with
the three with the three oh swing, you can say, hey,
you know I disagree with that. Well you know we'll

(22:12):
have a talk about about that, and like that's the
end of it, right, And then when he throws behind
your guy, you say, hey, that was bush league, and
you defend your baseball player. Now, the throw behind wasn't
in his head, right, which is what Luisa said. Luisa
also was like, oh, that's a singer of the gut away.
I was like, yeah, seven ft behind the guy singer. Yeah,
I really got away there. Um. So he was clearly

(22:33):
thrown as this guy. Um. And look, here's the thing.
Baseball is desperate for young people to love their games,
and it's very Look, I am a big baseball fan.
I've watched a ton more this year because the Giants
are really good. Uh, it can be excruciatingly boring for
a guy who I love I love pictures tools even
like I like watching good pitching. And that was a

(22:56):
fun clip to watch. The ball was he threw the
ball forty nine and Mercedes crushing, you know, hardest to
hit up ball four feet like those are those plays
that get shared on Twitter on social media, and you're,
you know, respect the game. They had a position player pitching.

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The respect of the game, to Lanceland's point, is over
at that point. It's done. At that point, there's no
respect in the game when you have a position player pitching,
and guys. We have to let these guys have fun.
And I think we have to look at the players
right and and as the example was was Trevor Bauer
last night, Trevor Bauer was Stown against the Giants. He's
a Dodger and that that rivalry has been kind of distinct,

(23:39):
distinct whatever the word is. I can for for like
six six or seven years there we been dormant for
for years now is the Dodge has been really go to,
Giants have been bad and now they're both good. And
last night Trevor Bauer went into Oracle Park and taunted
the Giants, fans taunted the players, just blue fastballs by

(24:01):
them and look, I hate the Dodgers, and I was like,
good for bower Man, like we have some emotion this game.
We have a villain in this game. And guess what
if someone were to hit a home run off him
and and pimp the home run, he'd clapped like, good job, buddy.
And that's but that, to me is what baseball needs
to transition to. Right, needs to allow its players to

(24:23):
to to to to um to handle the quote Underratten
rules right, the players want to move off of him
Tonio Larusa, then move off of the unwritten rules. If
your players are okay and the Twins players are okay
with that happening in the game, then you need to
listen to your players, and you need to listen to
what they're saying, and you need to take their side

(24:43):
of this right now. If if everyone on on on
on on the White Sox is like, you know what,
I didn't like it, which is not true because Tim
Anderson came out and said, you know, good for you,
buddy LANs Lynn. Obviously I get it. If everyone was
like he did the wrong thing, Okay, Larissa is gonna
but everyone liked what happened on that play, right, And
that's the thing about about Larussa's being so out of

(25:05):
touches is if I was a player in that clubhouse,
and my manager did that or my coach said that, Man,
I'm lose respect for them. I didn't look. Larussay is
a Hall of Famer. That team is in first place.
By the way they're playing, they're actually playgoot baseball. Um,
And it's just man to hear that. And you managed,
you know he hasn't had your back. It would be
very frustrating. Um, But man, pimp your home runs. You

(25:28):
talked about tatise I think it one last night right
where he like flip the bat, like like the have
have fun. And again the pictures in Major League Baseball, Now,
this is how they grew up, right, They grew up
in an era of the sport where players show more emotion,
where they pimped the home runs, where where there's trash
talking more so the players are okay with it than

(25:51):
the manager, especially the older managers need to adjust their
way of coaching and thinking about the game and and
be in line with their players. All right, let's uh well,
and by the way, you mentioned Giants Dodgers playing this weekend.
Podres have won seven straight games, three best records in
the National League. Right now, West Coast teams, we'll get
a little bit into that, but first let's find out
what's trending right now. Someone that I've known so long

(26:15):
and I'm curious with the answer to this question, Ralph Irvan. Yes,
because I've known you on both sides of the fence
on this one. But when you when you think of
sports in general, are you progressive? Are you new school?
Old school? Do you hang on to certain things or
you open to new possibilities? How do you generally view

(26:35):
sports making progress or what they think is progress? Yes,
thank you there, I mean that's that's that's it in
a nutshell is there are some things that you move
forward on and there's some things you hold onto because
there's a reason to hold onto it. Well, I think
that one of the great luxuries for people that watch
sports and this men, women doesn't matter. It's a soap opera, right.

(26:58):
Once you know the characters, you're hooked. This is how
it works, right, and then you start building on it.
New people come in and out, new relationships and everything else.
That's what sports is in general, is just basically a
continuous soap opera, uh with new characters and uh so, yeah,
you sort of hang onto the history of things, but
you're open to new ideas well. And you you talk

(27:20):
about what Jeff brought up with Trevor Bauer and and
his reactions and how he is on the field. Okay,
what if you then have a guy who the next
night shows no emotion as he's mowing guys down like
that messes with the opposition because it does create variety.
That's the beauty of it is not everyone has to
be talking and aggressive. They can be quiet killers out

(27:43):
there on the court or on the on the field.
And that's what makes it really cool is when you
have that disparity that this guy doesn't say a word.
I mean, maybe he doesn't get the attention he deserves
like a Tim Duncan, but he also gets the respect
of everybody that he never said a word that we
know of, even though as you learned the stories later,

(28:03):
Oh yeah, he was saying a lot of words. You
just didn't hear him. All Right, what is going on
out there? I'm watching this. I'm I know you're a
golf guy. Uh, what do you think can Phil do this?
He's got a three shot lead right now. Yeah, he can.
He can do a lot of things. He can go
lower or you can, or he can blow up. Well,
he's not blowing up right now. We we will see.
I'll get to that in one moment. But first we

(28:23):
do have NBA Playoff Action Game one in the East
with Milwaukee hosting Miami. The Bucks the three seed, the
Heat the sixth seed, and right now Milwaukee is sixty
two fifty seven lead, thirteen to play in the third
quarter of that contest. The Bucks being led on the
score sheet by Chris Middleton. He has fifteen points. Fifteen
also for Janice another thirteen coming from brook Lopez. Is

(28:46):
they're getting big production out of their starters. Major League
Baseball one game going down on the field at Yankee Stadium.
You mentioned the Chicago White Sox. They're playing right now,
They're not playing well. New York has six nothing lead
over the White Sox that game into the seventh, sending
only four hits for Chicago. In this game, Mike Ford
extended the lead with a solo home run in the

(29:07):
sixth stending and the PGA Championship. Phil Mickelson sitting at
seven under par through three holes, two shots ahead of
Brooks Capco's five under through five and then three shots
off the page. You'll find a decade Matziyama, Louis Ustasen,
and Brendan Grace. But yeah, Phil playing well right now.
It's a penal course, so we will see, uh exactly

(29:28):
how well he can continue. I gotta tell you yet.
So I talked around because he's a big golf cover.
I love golf as well, and he's like, you know what,
watch Phil, He's gonna blow up today. He's gonna blows
He's gonna be good. Is that is that? Is that?
Like what I mean? I didn't know Phil was known
for I thought after I thought, that's kind of over
now that he's one bunch of majors. Well, but he's
got two year old. As he's gotten older, he plays

(29:49):
really well Thursday Friday, and then his body catches up
with him and it's like how Tom Brady can't win
night games to the playoffs? That was the joke, right
has his bedtime forever? This is for Phil. It's like
his energy level just is he isn't he like probably
like isn't he like isn't he wrapping some supplement company
or something? That feels like he actually looks in better
shape now than he did, let's say, five years ago.

(30:10):
By the way, he just parted the fourth hold, so
he maintains his two shot lead. So no, I mean, look,
Rolph's right. I mean the last couple of years, he
really hasn't made any serious run at any major. He
appears to be what he is a guy that is
fifty years old. I mean, there's usually a shelf life
on whether you can be competitive, best against the best
young golfers or right now things are rolling for Phil.

(30:33):
Right Ralfles hear from you a little bit later on.
We're tie a little baseball right now, because if you
don't know this about Jeff Schwartz, he's a big Giants fan.
Last night, hell of a pictureds duel Alex Wood, the
former Dodger who was undefeated for the Giants, Like, where
did this happen? Alex Wood? Um? He loses a heartbreaker
to Trevor Bauer two to one. Dodgers win this game,

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so the Giants now are tied with the Podres, who
in seven straight games. The Dodgers have won five in
a row, three best records in the National League all
these California teams. By the way, we've talked about how
important a guy like Fernando Tatis Junior is too Major
League Baseball. They sort of banked on this kid. In
the last four games, he has raised his batting average

(31:18):
from to eighteen to to seventy nine, like all of
a sudden. Fernando Tatis Jr. Who had this extended layout
because he tested positive for COVID couple of games back.
He is on absolute fire right now. But how much
does this do for you? I mean, you're a Giants fan.
You had no expectations for this Giants team. Now they're

(31:39):
in the mix with two teams that everyone thought would
be in the mix, the Dodgers and the Padres. How
much excitement does this create for you right now? Jeff
I tweet out the other day, Man, I've had so
much fun watching baseball this year just because my team
is good, which I feel like in all sports, right
we like him more when Tea was good. But baseball
feels like the sport where if your team is bad again,

(31:59):
it's tough to watch in general. And then when they're bad,
it's just even when it's so many games and we
haven't got the dog days yet a summer, when the
games just feel even longer than usual and they're so
hot and so yeah, it's been enjoyable. Obviously, the series
will not determine much, but it will kind of tell
the Giants, I think, who are for real. I think

(32:20):
if you look at their starting pitching and their advanced
stats when it comes to their ability to plate um,
they're they're doing a good job as a team. They're
they're run differentials good like they're not a fluke but
a yeah. The Dodgers are gonna be good. The podgects
that play a lot of good baseball. So you know,
we gotta I would love to win today, win tomorrow
and take the series, but we have I think we're
back with the Dodgers next weekend as well, So there's

(32:41):
a lot of a lot of games against the Dodgers
coming up, and uh, I'm I'm gonna join the ride.
So far weren't supposed to be here. So this is
like a bonus year now. And there's one wax staff
this year in baseball, that's for sure. Six no hitters.
I mean, we never had more than seven no hitters
in a season. And by the way, the six no
hitters doesn't count Madison bum Garners seven. Any no hitter

(33:01):
which is not considered an official no hitter because he
didn't go nineans. That's one percent of every game played
this year has been a no hitter, which is just
a ridiculous number. I mean we're on pace for twenty
no hitters this year. Does that cheapen it at all?
I mean if we I mean back to back nights
we had no hitters and you're just like, wow, you
have you know, the picture gets the last out, the

(33:23):
catcher comes running out, you know, big bear hug, everyone
jumps up and down like kids and everything else. But
if you got a no hitter, like one a week,
I mean, does it sort of take away from like
the prestige of pitching a no hitter. The other morning,
when I woke up and I saw the no hitter,
I was like, oh wait, the same one is still
trending on Twitter, And it was like, no, that was

(33:43):
a different one. The Tiers picture this time. I mean,
does it does it cheapen it? Not really? I think.
I mean it's still a very difficult feat. I mean, look,
it's why you know perfect games are hard. It's this.
It's hard, man. It's hard to not allow it hit
through the seven outs. It could be obviously more than
batter's hard to be perfect. That's why it's called a

(34:05):
perfect game. Right. We saw what a couple of weeks ago, Uh,
capture dropped a third strike, and that's why there was
not a perfect game. Butect game it's so hard to do.
So I don't think it cheapen it, I mean just
tells you that we're we're baseballs at as far as
hitting right now, it's just not it's not good right
and well everyone swinging for the fences. It only makes

(34:25):
sense with more and more guys striking out and not
just trying to get a base hit, that you're gonna
have more no hit or opportunities. Yeah. Uh. And I
do think that Major League Baseball has made the balls
back to what they used to be. I think last year,
a couple of last years, it was very clear the
ball ever whatever they were, they want to use juiced,

(34:48):
they mess with the seams, whatever they did, I think
kind of gave a couple a couple more feet on
those home runs, right, mean, it just it just helped
a little bit. The scoring tolls were really up. I
feel like this year they've got back to just what
the baseball used to be, and um, that's what we're getting,
you know, we're getting that combination of teams uh no,
not hitting, um, you know, trying to to hit extra bases,

(35:12):
hit home runs, and we're getting a bunch of notice.
It doesn't cheap in it for me? Doesn't does it
for you know? I no hit, there's a no hitteran
It is a very cool thing. And I just I
always love the reaction at the end of a no
hitter because you know, the players are all on pins
and needles, like can he do this? Can he do this?
And when it actually happens, you see all that excitement.
I absolutely love it. All Right, we're gonna flip gears again.

(35:34):
We've been talking to NBA. We got some Major League Baseball.
I want to get to an NFL story that's brewing
on the other side, Jep, and that is Julio Jones.
Which team will he end up with? Will the Falcons
trade him? And what would be the best fit for
Julio Jones? Will discuss coming up next going pretenders. Wow,

(35:57):
John Ramos chrissie him. Yeah, that's old school like it
all right? Here we are Steve Hartman and Jeff Schwartz.
All right, Jeff, we know a wide receiver can make
an impact. I think it's safe to say that Stefon
Diggs made a major impact for the Bill's offense. A
year ago. We remember a seemingly has been Randy Moss

(36:22):
with the Raiders being dealt for a couple of middle
round picks to the New England Patriots, and then he
rewrites the record books since Tom Brady is throwing in
the ball. Julio Jones is an immensely talented receiver. He
has had already arguably a Hall of Fame career, and
now all of a sudden he's on the block. So
when you hear teams like the forty Niners, the Colts Chargers,

(36:45):
and of course we have lead to Lap our famous
Packer fan, do let me ask you this. If the
Packers made a deal to get Julio Jones, do you
think that Aaron Rodgers would leave Hawaii right now and
come running back quick? I don't know. I mean probably,
but it feels very Unpacker like to go get Julio Jones.
My favorite thing this week NFL was We'll get the
TV on a second, But besides that was I saw

(37:07):
someone tweet out a proposed tweet for Rogers with the
broncoins and it had them training for Jerry Judy as
part of and I was like, the backers refused to
give help Aaron Rodgers, but then are gonna trade for
Jerry Judy for Jordan Love? How ironic you would would
would that be? I mean that that, yes, if he
were to go to Green Bay, that would be a
place um that I think Rogers would definitely welcome him.

(37:29):
The question I have with all of this is what
are the Falcons doing? So let's talk about their draft. Right,
they had opportunity to draft Justin Fields at four and
passed on that for Kyle Pitts. Okay with well, that
idea is that at least we thought conventional wisdom. Hey,
they believe in Matt Ryan. He's the guy for a

(37:49):
couple of years. I think he does. Arthur Smith, new coach,
came from Tennessee. We saw what he did with Ryan Tannehill.
Now you add Matt Ryan, who he's not as good
of a runner and mobile, but better arm than Ryndanehill.
You adam in the dome all the weapons they have
profits line is not half bad. Kyle Pitts and boom,

(38:09):
they are ready to roll. Well training Julio Jones will
signify that, Uh, maybe we're not going for it this year,
right right, It's just so I don't know what their
plan is, because if you're going for it, then you're
keeping Julio Jones. If you're not going for it, the
why did draft Kyle Pitts? Well? And what doesn't make

(38:32):
sense here? So and apparently all signs are they desperately
want to get rid of him. He's guaranteed fifteen point
three million, which is a substantial nut for a wide receiver.
But whoever they trade him to, they're not going to
pick up that entire salary. That's gonna be part of
the deal that somehow the Falcons are gonna be part
of that. All right. So when I talk about the
favorite right now is the forty Niners. You got the Colts,

(38:53):
the Chargers, the Ravens, the Patriots, the Titans. We mentioned
the Packers, I mean Packers aside, Where where do you think?
I mean, if you want to the forty Niners, I mean,
what are we talking about right now? With the forty Niners?
If they had Julio Jones, that would be great. That
offense with Shanahan, that would be incredible. I think they

(39:14):
were united by the way, with Kyle Shannon, obviously, I
think that the um the best, the the team that
desperately needs him the most. Out of those you mentioned
is the Cults. Right with with needing your weapons for
Carson Wentz. They addressed their offensive and hopefully Eric Fisher

(39:34):
can come back sooner or later. But they're kind of
like set right there those other positions, but it's they're
still missing that playmaker wide receiver. And if you want
to give Wentz the best opportunity to succeed, that's one
way to do it right is to bring in Julio Jones. Again,
though it doesn't feel like the Colts way to trade

(39:55):
for an older, aging wide receiver who's worth a lot
of money and now they have plenty hap rooms. That's
not really the concern with the money, but it's not
really what Chris Ballard has done in the past. But
I think that if you're looking at need and who
just to fill that need, it's not the Foreigners number one,
that lists, not the Packers, definitely not the Chargers. It's
the Colts. Yeah, I'm I'm looking at Julio Jones's numbers.

(40:19):
What a career this guy has had. I mean I
mean and again, thirty two years of age. He's done.
Definitely on the downside of his career, but he's over done.
I mean again. If he's got the right dynamic with
the right quarterback, he can get it done. All right.
You mentioned just briefly about Tim Tebow. What exactly is
going on right now with Urban Meyer and the Jacksonville Jaguars.

(40:43):
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(41:46):
Phil Mickelson right now three shot lead, third round of
the PGA Golf Championship, trying to become the oldest golfer
ever to win a major. He's got another birdie putt
attempt here, a number six man. He is just hitting
the ball real well, real well. Talking about all the
obstacles on this golf course here, Jeff, I mean narrow

(42:09):
fairways wind. Oh, it's not quite as winny today as
was the first couple of days. So there were people
out there that thought maybe there was a score to
be had. And he has just rolled in another birdie.
Phil Michelson now has a four shot lead at the
p g A Championship. Jeff unbelievable, missed a chip in

(42:32):
to hello, Jeff, there he is. Yep, he missed a chippen.
Kept did to uh to go back to four and
then Phil just kind of nice nice second shot out
the out the rough to get himself within this little chippen.
He's playing some great playing. He looks yeah and everything. Yeah,
look at him. Yeah, he looks good. So that's a
great was a ten footer? How how far was up? Yeah?

(42:54):
And that was right in the hole. So four. He
started the day tied for the late. Now Phil has
got a fourtt lead. Yeah, contin are people are dropping back,
so uh, you'll be a lot of fun to watchas
if it's only four back as well. Yeah, hamas four backs,
four back. But right now the story is Phil Mickelson. Well,

(43:16):
I mean speaking of comebacks, and this would be obviously
a big comeback for Phil. Uh, nothing is bigger than
this comeback for Tim Tebow. Tim Tebow, and I don't
even have to look this one up. I'm gonna guess
this is right. That no one has ever had a
nine year gap in their NFL career if he actually
makes this Jacksonville team. There was I actually think that

(43:36):
Doug Flutie had one. There was a play in between.
I mean he played in the Canadian football Yeah, the
last time I checked, he hasn't been playing in any
football leagues in his absence. That's correct. So we're an
unchartered territory right now. Let me ask you this about

(43:57):
this whole Tebow deal, because look, he's he's very polarizing
guy and he always has been that. Uh. And by
the way, you're right, it was a nine year gap,
uh for flute. He played in eighty nine and then
return in ninety eight with by the way, a Pro
Bowl season with the Buffalo Bills. But in between, of course,
he was winning great cups there in the Canadian Football League.

(44:17):
But when you look at Tim Tebow, do you look
at him as just a guy that just is desperate
for attention, has to find a way to keep his
name in the news. Or is he just an insanely
competitive athlete who was constantly looking for that next challenge
and because his former college coach has given him the opportunity,

(44:38):
he's gonna make the most of it. Is it just
about attention or is about his competitiveness? Look, not for
the competitive stuff. I'm not just talking about you. I
know what you're saying with the radio segments. I'm not
gonna but like enough of this, Like he's highly we're
all how the competitive? Okay you get the NFL list
are highly competitive? Enough with that that nonsense about how

(44:59):
comp and it is, um, I just think he really
hasn't found um kind of not what to do after
sports are done? But how do um kind of be
done with sports? Right? Like, it's really hard when you've
played sports your entire life to be okay being done

(45:20):
with professional sports, right because you know, for a lot
of guys, it's what they've done their entire life. It
gives some purpose, it's who they are. You know, when
you say you know, when you say Tim Tebow, you
know you obviously you might think about his charitable work
or what you know, what he's done in in the community, Um,
what he's done for his church, all those things you

(45:41):
might think of, But the number one thing you think
about first, right, is the outstanding control player he was,
which again, he might be a terrible pro, but he
does not take away from what he did in college. Outstanding,
phenomenal college quarterback, beloved right in the state of Florida. Um.
And so you're in the football first. And when you're
when you're done playing sports, you know, yes, people something,

(46:03):
but you're kind of done, right, You're done. You're the
locker room, You're done with that. Like everything about you know,
the training and the preparation and being with your buddies,
that's all done. And I feel like you just can't
let it go. Because look, if if if my friend
was in Tebow situation, I'd be like, bro, it's done, man,
it's done. You're done playing, You're done, You're done. And

(46:26):
urban Meyer was like, all right, cool, just just just
come along. And here's I want to like this this
point very clear. Okay, the reason why quote unquote people
hate on Tim Tebow it's not because of religion. Who seriously,
people are we gonna be? Are we really that work?
There's some that just think he's phony. Okay, but but
that's not really because of his religion. I just think

(46:46):
he's a little phony. Um is is the people that
defend him defend him in an irrational way that's not
at all well aligned with how is actual NFL. He went,
he started sixteen games in three years, that's what we did.
He won a game, Steve completing two whole passes the

(47:09):
entire game. All Right, he was not a good NFL
quarterback if we were honest about his ability to play
professional football, not college football, professional football, If we were
honest about what he did in the minor leagues, which
just he didn't. He didn't do good in the minor leagues.
Sandy Artison, the Mets him at the time, said we
hired him for publicity. Okay, he he didn't deserve to

(47:33):
be in Triple A. If we were just honest about
what his pro career was in the NFL, what his
career minor league baseball was, then this conversation will be
a lot easier and a lot of us like me
wouldn't push back on the people saying, oh, he's an
inshane competitor, he's a great locker room guy. Guys, do
you think Trevor Lawrence really cares that Tim Tebows in

(47:54):
the locker room? Like, is he gonna be a better
football Parkers? No, he's not gonna better football pokers, Tim
t Bows there. Oh he's gonna instill Urban's culture. Guys,
he hasn't played with Urban since two thousand nine. He
doesn't nine what what is it Urban coached an entire
you know, he made like a Hall of Fame career
just Ohio State when he was there. Like the idea

(48:15):
that all these things are just just not true. Okay, none,
that's true. And so that's why the signing to a
lot of us is like, what are we doing Urban?
Why are we bringing him on the team. You know,
you draft Travis et N and you say he's gonna
be a third down back for us. That was very
odd draft in the first round. Then you go to
mini camp and again Trevor Lawrence can't hand passes off. Okay,

(48:36):
I mean so we can't hand the ball up because
he's he still hurts. And you say, oh, Travisy tans
playing wide receiver because um, you know, the worst case
scenario just be running back who can catch the football.
I mean, alright, running backs kind of hard in the NFL,
Like you kind of have to like learn how to
still do it and protections and where to run and
what schemes and who's in the box and the safeties, like,

(48:58):
you know, playing a unning back a wide receiver for
three days even though it's small. Ye may read is
not doing that right, he didn't draft called Edwards Hilaire
and say, hey, workie minicamp. Guess what, guys, he's only
doing wide receiver. No, he's play running back, right. Um.
I just kind of look at what the best coaches
do and if you know, you don't always have to
do that. But I don't hear Bill Belichick drafting running

(49:19):
back in the first round, Sony Michelle and going, you
know what, We're gonna play a wide receiver for rookie minicamp.
Nony'll play running back because that's her position. Um, and
so these like things add up and like this, you
know the Chris Doyle thing, right, the former Iowa strength
coach he tried to hire round twenty five hours later
he resigned fired the ever nobody's doing in the NFL. Guys,
before you answer that, Steve, anyone who's gonna listening right now? Again,

(49:42):
I mentioned this with Tebow. The NFL is not college football. Okay,
it's not. So stop saying he was good in college
and that that's not the NFL. Right, It's a total
different game. The ball is even different. Okay, we went.
We don't say this often with college basketball coaches. Why
was this college football coaches? He might be great in

(50:02):
the NFL. We don't know. He was very good in college.
I get that, but he does he's not recruiting every
five star here. We I gotta see what he's gonna
do this season to really tell you if he's gonna
be the best coach of all time or just be
a bump like other coaches are in the NFL. But
the idea that he's just automatically everything he does unquestionable
because he was good in college. This ain't the college game,
all right now. Let me let me remind you about

(50:25):
who we're talking about here. So Ervian Meyer Bowling, Green, Utah, Florida,
Ohio State. Seventeen years as a college coach, average eleven
wins this season his watch. His worst season ever was
nine and four. The reason I'm bringing this up is
the only time I ever did an interview with urban

(50:46):
Meyer was after his first season at Ohio State, where
he took over a team that was a five hundred
team in the midst of you know, being on probation.
They had nothing to play for his first year. They
couldn't even play in the Big Ten championship game. They
go twelve and oh, here's one thing I know about
urban Meyer. If there's one guy that really believes in
urban Meyer, it's urban Meyer. I also asked him because

(51:08):
this was after that twelve season where Tebo had gone
to the Jets and just never really played. Even though
a lot of Jets fans were screaming because suddenly Mark
Sanchez was going up the cliff and a lot of
people thought, hey, why why don't you give Tebow a shot?
He never really got that opportunity. So I remember interviewing
urban Meyer and I'm asking him, you know, coach, here's

(51:29):
the thing I don't get. In four years at Florida,
looking at Tim Tebow's passing numbers. In four years, he
completed sixties six point four percent of his passes with
eighty eight touchdowns and sixteen interceptions. Now, for a guy
who literally looks like at the NFL level that he

(51:50):
can't throw the ball straight, how is it possible over
four years you had him completing sixty six percent of
his passes. And his answer was because they don't know
how to use them. That was his argument. That was
that's the last time we saw Tim Tebow in the NFL.
So the idea that urban Meyer that this signing doesn't

(52:12):
make any sense, and it would obviously make sense to
anybody else because anyone else could look at Tim Tebow
and saying there is no future in the NFL for
this guy. This is twofold. One is that you've got
urban Meyer, no matter how many doubters there are about
urban Meyer's ability to do at this next level. One
doubter is not Urban Meyer. He honestly believes he is

(52:35):
the greatest coach on the planet. And he and and
and he says, look what I did with Tim Tebow.
He was one of the highest ranked passing efficiency quarterbacks
every year that I had him at Florida, and the
NFL ruined this guy. They never knew how to use.

(52:55):
But he who knows he might use him in a wildcat.
Maybe he's got cole. If he takes a single rep
away from Trevor Lawrence to play Tim Tebow running back,
he should be fired at meeting you. But he won't
be fired because he's been handed the keys they are.
They are gutting that organization. What do they have to
lose in Jacksonville, Right, It's not like they have some

(53:18):
storied history in Jacksonville and you got a local legend
and Urban Meyer. Look, they're rolling the dice. I agree
with you. I look at what's happening so far and
it's spells train wreck in Jacksonville. But don't tell that
Dervin Meyer. He should be confident. I'm fine with his confidence.
I'm just saying that people are judging and based off

(53:39):
when he did in college that's not what the NFL
game it's about. Right, you have to transition, and so
far the things he has said and done don't make
me think he knows what he's doing. Now, obviously have
entire season, Trevor Lawrence might be a big part of
why he's successful. Well, obviously find out than Trevor will
be a great NFL player. Um, but you know, bringing

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Tim Tebow in again. He put out a They put
out a press release with a statement from the fourth
string tight end. People like, what's the big deal about this?
I go, well, that's is you know, what are the
fourth string tight end puts out statements when they sign
What other fourth string tight end has cameras falling around
a practice. The idea that this is less attraction for

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for Charvor Lawrence is just not at all true. It's
just not at all true. Guys, They're gonna be more
cameras a practice. Now, there's gonna be like entertainment Tonight's
gonna be there. TMZ is gonna be there if you
have entertainment people at your practice every day. What Trevor
Lawrence has to talk to the media, Steve, if you're
a good journalist, what I'm not saying if you're not,

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you're not. But what would your first question be every
day of practice with Trevor Lawrence and Tim Tebow's there? Well,
I mean you he'd asked Trevor Lawrence about any impact
that maybe Tim Tebow's presents or has any You may
be and by the way, you might be asking Tim Tebow,
what do you think get Trevor Lawrence. So every a
single day, Yes, Trevor Lawrence. Instead of talking about how

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he's working with James Robinson or the offensive line Meyer
or the scheme or anyone else, it's it's or Marvin Jones.
This time, it's how was it with Tim Tebow? How
was it with your fourth string? Tight end? Like that's
that's not helpful for Trevor Lawrence. I don't know that.
But if, if, if there's some attention taken away from
Trevor Lawrence, because obviously beginning all the attention isn't that

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okay with a rookie corner, It's got a lot of
pressure on him to begin with. I can make the
argument that the pressure should be on Trevor Lawrence because
that is the job he has been drafted to do. Right,
He's the number one overall pick. If he needs pressure
off of him, maybe you chose the wrong guy. I'm
not saying he does, by the way, I'm saying that
the idea that you need to take pressure off of him,

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he was the one who stuck his neck out along
with Justin Fields about playing in college football this season.
If that guy needs any sort of distraction to help him,
maybe he's drafted a different Trevor Lawrence. He does not
seem like a guy to me who needs a distraction
to prepare for the season. Plus, I would argue that
everything you say and do should be about promoting Trevor

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Lawrence and not about selling Tim Tebow Jergey's I was
in Carolina when Cam Newton got drafted. It would be
very odd to me if they brought in a Tim
Tebow and like Kim Newton, who is supposed to be
the guy in Carolina, right, who's supposed to you know who?
Obviously we want to Phil just got another Birdie. By
the ways, that almost he almost made Eagle get invested
by about an inch. Like the idea that that they

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would have brought in someone to take the attention off
Cam Noon. That's when your drafted number one but he's
your dude, he's your franchise. You shouldn't have a poster
of Jacksonville Jaguars, which I've seen so far with et
with E. T. N. Lawd's and Tebow. Why does Tebow?
Like that's at my point right like this is it's
a complete circus Ranyer team. When urban Meyer demands to

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come on this show, when Tim Tebow is named the
NFL's Comeback Player of the Year, I hope you're ready.
That's all I can say, Jeff, I hope you're ready
to talking about gambling. Yeah, we'll find some go find
some props on Tim Tebow under I bet one. I didn't.
I Well, what are the odds right now of him
just making the team? I mean I did see the
odds of him scoring a touchdown this year? Um, it

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depends on what book you're at, but I mean, Tim
Tebow make the team? Yeah, something like that, And how
about scoring a touch And I think there were I
saw that. Um let's see, I don't even know. You know,
there's some of these websites plus one six to what
what is that? Late no no plus one sixty yes
to what score touchdown or make to make the roster

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to make the roster al right, can I give you
the one actual there's actually a um. I will hang
on on the other side. I want to get to
this because I, by the way, I want to remind
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(57:58):
Simple dot Com. Schwartz is on fire right now. He
is absolutely making it clear a total disservice. So the
national football is being made by Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow.
More coming up next, Steve Harman and Jeff Schwartz again,
Phil Michelson Ford shot late. By the way, if you've
been watching this tournament down there at Kiawa down there

(58:20):
the island in South Carolina, they've been allowing about ten
thousand fans in every day and nobody, I mean nobody
is wearing a mask. None zero. Look at all these
shots right now there, nobody is look look at they're
showing a crowd shot right there. There isn't one person

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A lot different in South Carolina. My wife's in Amelia
Island right now in Florida. I mean, look North Carolina,
nasimandates over so I mean, I'm not surprised that no
one's were in math in South Carolina. I'm just very glad.
I've noticed that the most so far in the hockey
playoffs that fans are back. Man. Oh yeah, oh it is.
It is. I keep referencing this the football season that

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that's upcoming, how crazy it's gonna be. But man, it
is so nice. By the way. You know, the next
major in golf is the US Open, which will be
at Tory Pines UH in San Diego area, and it
just so happens it's the weekend after what is anticipated
to be the lifting of restrictions in California. Let's taken

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it for June. Ralph Irvan just reminding me, though the
U s g A um cannot accommodate tens of thousands
of fans. They can't build the infrastructure necessary to have
that many people all show up at Tory Pines because
it's not Tory Pines. The U s g a is
setting up these courses when you have a US Open,

(59:45):
But it'll be interesting to see. I mean again, mask face,
I absolutely I mean, I'm gonna get a chance to
sample it a little bit over the couple of days,
at least first couple of rounds. Yeah. I went to the
the PGA Championship in Charlotte a couple of years ago.
It was a ton of fun. Oh I've been, I've been.
I've been a major absolutely. Oh yeah, when you get

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out there early. So anyway, keep in mind that film,
by the way, has got a short put right now.
Part in his last sixteen holes, he has nine birdies
otherwise a clean card, and he's gonna try to keep
that street going on right now. And he has made
it again, so he still maintains that four shot lead.
All Right, we're talking about the Tebow situation, which has

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really struck a chord with Jeff today. Um lee uh.
We were talking about some odds where you can make
some money on Tebow showing up doing certain things. Give
give us some of these numbers for Jeff, because I
want to hear where Jeff's going with this stuff. But
what he got late, you bet, and this is big things.
To Bernie Fretto, who's hosted Straight out of Vegas Leadership
on Fox Sports Radio, Tim Tebow to score a touchdown.

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Of course, this is receiving, rushing or passing to score
a touchdown pays five to one. Five to one, they'll
score a touchdown. No, no touchdown was minas eight hundred
and he also has an over under receiving yards nineteen
and a half. And of course this is all regular season.
It's nineteen and a half for the whole season. What
I'm looking at, Wow, so many guys have a whole

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season when they have nineteen yards receiving. Some of these
wagers are basically The reason why it's tough to wage
on them is a lot of them are basically like,
has to play week one action, right, So if he
doesn't make the team and you bet under nineteen and
a half yards, that's a canceled debt, right, he has
to make the team. That has to be action a
week one. Can I parlay the whole thing about making

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a team do over on the yards and that touchdown? Can?
I probably can't put them all together? Um, but also
you see, you see he's gonna make the team over touchdown,
over receiving yards. So here's why he makes the team.
It's not gonna be untalented. It's not me on talent,
because look, I was telling you guys, he's in the
preseason and he's gonna have a target on his back.

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All these young cats in these preseason games, they're gonna
go after him so hard because they want to be,
you know, in the highlight reels. They want to be
they want to be the one the cameras are looking at.
They're gonna go after Tebow so hard. He's a big man.
He's not ready for that. Um. Here's the reason that
I've come up with that makes the most sense. It's

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the NFL pension plan. I brought this up two weeks
ago when we were doing the show together. Um, and
it feels like this is the only way to explain this.
So in the NFL, your pension plan kicks in essentially
after four years. And so the way it works is
three games on a roster equals one season, and that
includes injured reserve. So if you're an injured reserve for

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entire season, that count store a pension. But if you're
on injured reserve for ten games and you on the
roster for six, it doesn't matter. So Tebow, even though
he's was drafting dozen ten, only has three accredited seasons right.
He was in camp with New England and with Philly
and both did not make it out of camp, so
those do not count toward pension. So he needs three

(01:02:58):
games this season on the roster, including what would be
injured reserve as well to get the NFL pension plan. Now,
I don't know, I've played eight years. My pension plan
is would be better than Tebow's after four years. I mean,
it's not like the greatest pension ever. I don't know
why they would go through all of this to get
his NFL pension, but it's definitely possible. I mean, I otherwise,

(01:03:19):
I I just don't get it. Nothing that there's no
football reason for this. Well here's uh. You you talk
about money, and I saw this a report. It's all
about the financial windfall for Tim Tebow if he just
makes the team. Okay, So right now, his estimated net
worth is about five million dollars. You know, he's had
some activities out there. By the way, he's also married

(01:03:41):
to a miss Universe. But they said that he could
double that. Endorsement deals e a sports, Nike jock, all
kinds of deals could come his way if he gets
back out on the field and the attention he would
draw to any product, and he's he's a marketing tool.
He understands the marketing aspect of things. So not only

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about the pension situation, but if you're trying to sort
of help out Tim Tebow, as apparently urban Meyer is
not adverse to doing, you could do that considerably. So
even if he's out, there is a fourth string tight end.
He could double his net worth with just a single season,
just putting on an NFL uniform for one season. So

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that's and again these are finance people putting an estimate
of how much this could be worth the Tebo if
he just makes the team. The question is like, and
what where is he getting this extra money from? He's
not He's not making the roster. His his contract is
for the minimum um, Like, who who's marketing the guy
doesn't play? Well, it's again he's Tim Tebow. I mean,

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I think you're still underestimating the impact of Tim, the
fact that we are even he's not making any money
off of us talking. But if he gets back into
the NFL, it'd beca Tom suddenly, a comeback story. And
much as we had this entire conversation of why people
are so intrigued by Tim Tebow nine years after the facts,

(01:05:09):
suddenly trying to make it back in the NFL shows
you that the name still has marketing power. Laughing at
him though, Yeah, but he's still a name that people discuss.
Who knows. We didn't expect to go all Tebow today,
but we might. All right, right now, let's find out
what is trending. Let's bring back Ralph Irvin and Ralphie

(01:05:32):
Big Day in the NBA. Today we got baseball and
then we got the Phil Nicholson's story. Yes we do.
We'll start in the NBA where Milwaukee has lead over
Miami one thirty eight to play in the fourth quarter
of free throw makes it ninety six ninety three. Bucks
are up in Milwaukee, getting scoring from the usual places,
Chris Middleton leading the way twenty four points honest, twenty

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two points, fifteen rebounds. How about Drew Holiday eighteen points,
ten rebounds in this contest and the Bucks with a
lead again one thirty eight to play in the fourth
quarter of this contest. Coming up next, it'll be the
Clippers hosting the Dallas Mavericks in the opener of their
series final. Infor Major League Baseball, the Yankees shut out

(01:06:18):
the White Sox seven nothing. Labor Torres drove in four
of those seven runs. Right now, Colorado three nothing lead
over Arizona. That's in the fifth inning. Brendan Rodgers as
a two run single for the Rockies in this game.
Baltimore a five nothing lead over the Washington Nationals. Ryan
Mountcastle with a grand slam in the first inning of
that contest. Houston up to nothing over Texas still in

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the first inning, Cleveland and to nothing lead over Minnesota
in the second. Atlanta gets a home run from Ronald
to Cunia. They have a two nothing lead over Pittsburgh
in the second inning there and at the p GA Championship,
Phil Mickelson now at nine under par through eight holes,
four under on the day. He is four shots ahead
of a number of players, Decki matsu Yama, Brandon Grace,

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brooks Kepta, Louise tas An, all sitting at five under par.
They're all through eight or nine holes on the golf course.
So we'll keep an eye on that as we set
it back now. It is Steve Hartman and Jos Swartz.
By the way, one quick note on this p G
A Ralph he mentioned these guys at five under, but
they're right now, only fourteen golfers under par in the

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field right now, So it's it's not like, you know,
there's a ton of guys. There's no one at four unders,
one golfer at three under. So there's a little separation here.
It's not like Phil's got you know, golfers knocking on
the door behind him. So the question is going to
be is how tough do they set it up on
Sunday and if it's gonna be as brutal as a
lot of people have feared because the winds are supposed

(01:07:45):
to turn, but I mean it'll be brutal for everybody.
I mean, you know, I mean if he just you know,
unless he has a complete catastrophe, if he could just
sort of steady the ship, he's gonna have a golden opportunity.
He's still a lot of golf to be played today.
But if he can hang on to any part of
this lead, and who knows extended, uh, it's gonna be
a big story tomorrow. All right, Ralph, thank you very much.

(01:08:05):
All Right, we have we have just been a knee
deep in this Tim Tebow situation. But that's okay. That's okay.
But again it gets back, Jeff to the whole idea
that the passion you're talking about right now about this
Tebow and you know what what it's doing to the NFL,
and how it's already hurting the credibility of Urban Meyer

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before he actually coaches his first NFL game. Illustrates again
what kind of marketing tool Tebow is. He just is.
And I've said this before. During that six game winning
streak in eleven, Jeff, I tell you, I'm doing the
national radio show here at Fox Monday through Friday, and
during that six weeks that they rattled off all the

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victories where he had these ridiculously bad passing numbers, but
he'd run for a touchdown late here, and there were
these all these comebacks, and te bowing was the big thing,
and SNL was doing tebowing. It was just everywhere. We
would walk into studio for our show and the lines
were jam before he walked in. I mean, seriously, it
was Tebow tebot, Tebow, Tebow Tebow, and you'd have a

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positive Tebow call a negative back and forth back. I
have never seen anything like it. I've been in this
business a long time. I have never seen anything like
what Tebow did back in ever ever no athlete, So
that's the whole point. And and also you mentioned the
fact that here you got Jacksonville and Tebow's in camp,

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and here's you got Trevor Lawrence, the number one overall pick,
who obviously he seems to have unlimited marketing potential with
his ability and his look and everything else. And everyone's
gonna be talking about Tim Tebow. But that also means
everyone's gonna be talking about Jacksonville. So suddenly the Jaguars
getting Trevor Lawrence was great and it got him a

(01:09:53):
lot of publicity. But this whole Tebow thing is taken
it to the next level. So how does Jacksonville get
on the MA app Well, one good way apparently is
to add Tim Tebow to the roster. So there, I mean,
they're they're just so many marketing opportunities. I not understand.
You're looking from the football standpoint, like this guy is
no business, But that's not what they're looking at right now.

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They should begin in the map for Trevor Lawrence though,
Like that's my point is, like, is the future of
your franchise is Trevor Lawrence. He should be the guy
who all the attention is on as far as well,
he will be for many years to come. This tebow
thing is gonna be a one and done promise you. Yeah,
he's not. He's not making the team. That's probably why.

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But um but again, you know, I just look at
I look at other teams that have been successful with
young quarterbacks, and what do they have? They don't have
a circus around their team during training camp, right, like
come on, like did Justin Herbert last year of a
circus in Los Angeles? No? Like you know, like, first
of all, no one in LA even knows the Chargers exist.

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That's also very true. But maybe that's a good thing.
Like Trevor Lawrence could just done his thing in Jacksonville.
They had the smallest fan based the NFL. No one
paid him any attention. Of course, the bet they'll be
some you know, they'll be the normal cameras there, But no,
that wouldn't be intense. There would not be intense scrutiny
on him. Kind of be forgotten about in Jacksonville. You know,
they're they're win total six and a half or if

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they win six or seven games, you know whatever, not
gonna be that good the year that that division is
pretty boring this year, Like he could just been in
the South by himself, forgotten about. It wouldn't be totally
forgotten about, but in the grand scheme of everything that
we talked about this year, not talked about it very much.
Now again, every single day we're talking about Trevor Lawrence

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and the Jaguars and Tim Tebow. That to me does
not seem like something that successful organizations try to model
themselves after. Is trying to get the most attention possible
two in the preseason. Well and and think back to
when Tebow signed with New England, right, I remember thinking
at the time, why is doing on doing this? Why
are they doing this? Remember they were coming off they

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hadn't won a Super Bowl in almost ten years at
that point, right they people forget this. They won the
three Super Bowls and there was ten more years before
they wont you know, started three more super Bowls. You know, like,
why are they doing this? But you know, the thing
about it was is that Belichick was such a master
of somehow keeping him out of the spotlight. He was

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like an afterthought, and when he wouldn't adhere to what
they were trying to do was withold convert him into
an h back or a tight end. They just cut
him loosen. That was the end of it. Um, I
don't know. I think Jacksonville has a completely different strategy
right now. Urban Meyer wants the spotlight. He really wants
the spotlight. When you talk about a guy who is

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an attention monger, I think we underplay urban Meyer and
so urban Meyer is looking for any way to get
the spotlight on his Jacksonville Jaguars, and they are definitely
his team right now. His organization shin and it bringing
Tim Tebow suddenly. You know, he maybe he was maybe
he didn't expect all this attention, but once it happened,

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he's like, hey, what I remember how I kept guessing
everybody that he hadn't actually signed Tebow. And he started
let this linger for about a week as he signed,
as he not signed. He loves his stuff. Now again,
could this be a disaster but maybe, But I would
argue that I would argue that again, this is the
difference between college football and the NFL. College football, your

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head coach typically is the person who is the loudest,
who the spotlights on them. You know, they represent the
school right in the name of the school is considered,
you know, higher honor, and and then maybe the name
on the back of the German college sports. The coaches
are the stars. But in the NFL, and I would

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argue in the NFL though obviously there are very good coaches.
There's Hall of Fame coaches coaching right now. Andy Reid,
Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin will probably be in the Hall
of Fame at some point too, like you. So there's
there's great But again it's about it's not really about them, right,
it's about the players, and and urban is again it's
one point about I don't I'm not quite sure he
gets it quite yet. Um. And again the reason it's

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about the players because we're adults, right, we we need
like and have the attention on the coach seems oh,
when you're paying the players so much money, right when
when we're the ones in the field doing the work. Again,
I'm not dimission coach. Maybe he's thinking of that though, Jeff.
Maybe he's thinking, I've got a quarterback here. It's gonna
get a boatload of attention and more people are talking

(01:14:34):
about me and my craziness and what am I doing here?
Do I have any clue what it is in the
NFL and they're talking about Tim Teband. You think Irban
Meyer wants people to think he doesn't know what he's doing,
so it takes pressure of Trevor Lawrence. I think he's
trying to get attention off his quarter. But I don't
think he wants people think he doesn't know what he's doing.
But I mean, like you said, you're you're making an
argument that he's heading down that path. But anything to

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get the attention off his young QUARTERB Yeah. I think
now whether that's right or not, I don't know if
this kid has had attention on him forever. I mean seriously,
when is when has he not been in the spotlight.
He's used the spotlight, so I don't think he would
shy away from it. Talk about Trevor Lawrence. When I
saw an interview with Trevor Lawrence where he had this,
you know, short hair and everything else, I thought it

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was a high school interview. Was his middle school interview?
He was in eighth grade and they were talking about
him going to high school. He was already getting which
is my part of my I don't think he needs
a distraction. He doesn't he doesn't. But I mean in
the mind of urban Meyer, that's that's where he's going
with this right now. Put the attention on me right now,

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so that my young quarterback can develop on his own time.
I mean, he could be so wrong in this. I
agree with you. Once the season begins, I guarantee you
Game one, no one's gonna be looking at urban Meyer.
They're all gonna be looking at Trevor Lawrence. How's he
doing out there? Um? So it could be misguided. But
when you're talking about a coach who, in seventeen years

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as a college coach, his record on average was eleven
and two. The worst season they ever had was nine
and four. Um, guy had a pretty good track record,
he does, and bring at the point again, is that
that's that's obviously a college football track word, right. I mean,
Chip Kelly was forty seven and seven Oregon, and you know,
in three years he was fired in Philly and in

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one Francisco was a dumpster fire. He was fired before
the end of the season was even over. But briefly
in Philadelphia a lot of people were buying into what
he was doing right right and then and then this
a great example when when you have a coach who
was and he said at the time, right, that was
ever shot away from this. I think he's different in
U c A now a little bit. But you know

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it's scheme over players, right, My scheme, my X and OS,
what I design is more important than players. Is that
that idea sort of works when you're winning, right, But
as soon as you start losing, players turn on you.
And when you are an established coach or players kind
of like your message. When you lose, you know, no
one's turning on you, right, you understand it as a

(01:17:07):
rough year, You'll figure it out, we'll get back there
next year. But the players turned on Chip Kelly right
everything he was doing. They're like, you know what he's
losing out now? Right, Look he starts ten and six,
two years row ten and six, then had one bad year.
It was fired. That's to happen very often, right the
fourth year to figure it out, but players turn on him. So,
you know, the same thing as possible with Urban where

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you know players are like what is this, what's he doing?
And you know they might kind of went a little
bit early on, and then eventually when you stop winning,
it's like why, like they just they lose faith in.
All right, Well, he hasn't lost any games yet, so
let's wait. Okay. On the other side, I want to
get to this before we're out of here, because we
have such a brief show every time. I want to
get some of your best plays for the first round

(01:17:49):
of the playoffs. Alright, some of the best plays according
to Jeff Schwartz as far as the first round series concerned.
In the NBA, we'll fin out what they are coming
up next, all right, Um, I just want to mention here,
Jeff Schwartz, I picked Dallas to beat the Clippers in
this opening series fourteen six Dallas early in this game.

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That was my pick. My upset special take the Mavericks
over the Clippers in their opening round series, but very
early in the first quarter, and Dallas is off to
a good start to say the least. I want to
thank wow, Jon ramos Uh. Such an honor to have
a legend here, even though it's been misery for his
nine hours shift. When did your shift start? By the way,

(01:18:38):
eight o'clock, So you're gonna be here a long time
three more hours ago, Steve. Love you and the family,
even though you're totally missing out on all the goodies
would be him. Uh. Ralph Irvin of course is just
magnificent as he always is. And we love having Ralphie here.
Uh lead a lap by the way once they share
a story here, Jeff, because we're talking about that Tebow

(01:18:59):
running twleven where it was unlike any shows I'd ever
done over six weeks or The Lines or jan Lee.
You were actually part of those broadcasts that that is correct.
That was my introduction to working in sports talk radio
was answering or phone screening the Tim Tebow calls three
for three hours. It was it was unlike anything I've experienced. Literally,

(01:19:23):
as soon as we got a caller off to talk
about Tebow, lines are lighting up. I thought about quitting immediately.
I'm surprised I'm still here. He was like, are we
only going to talk about one guy? And guess what
we sort of did a little bit today, Jeff, see
how that works with Tim Tebow. He's that kind of guy. Yeah,
he's great for our business. He ain't great for people
the locker room have to deal with it. It's great

(01:19:45):
for me and you to talk about we just got
an hour on a non football Sunday. Yeah. Um out
of this by the way the Bucks and Heat are
in overtime. Yes, Jimmy Butler with a great Janice with
just the best defense I've ever seen. Um, and that
game is now tied at one or two. Remember this
is our evenge series because last year Milwaukee was the
one seed and no one thought that Heat would have

(01:20:07):
a chance. I remember sitting here with Katino Mobley. Cat
Mobley said before that series, watch Miami is a nightmare
matchup against Milwaukee, and he was right. The Heat won
that series, of course got to the finals. It's just um,
all right, all right? So I want to get to
this Jeff, because you, like you said, I mean, one
thing about Jeff, he he does a lot of homework, folks,

(01:20:29):
a lot of homework before he places as a wager.
So these opening round series, you want to go through
all of them. But there, what do you think there's
some of the better plays and these opening around series
as far as some decent money going the right way.
I mean, just if you just want to like make money,
I mean there's a there's a scenario where you just

(01:20:50):
you just take the nets at a lot of plus
money and just and just you know, you just not
plus money. You have to wait, you have to lay
a lot and just you just know the gonna win
this series, right, um, And that's a way to go
about that. Obviously, if they lose, then you're in you're
in a lot of you know, you're in uh trouble.
But it feels like that's just I think, what should

(01:21:12):
we say the same thing with the Lakers. I mean,
I mean these two are the two favorites obviously again
Lakers trying to find the odds for the series. The
Lakers are prohibitive favorites against the Sons. I know that
even though there are a seven seed, but I also
know they're the favorites to come out of the West. Yeah.
I again, I took the Lakers to win the title
of Plus four fe I do think there is some

(01:21:32):
some value in the sixers at plus believe to win
the East, just with the way they play defense. I mean,
they're gonna be in every game right now. If they
can finish those games against the Nets is the question.
But they're gonna be in every one of them right
which is important because that because their defense. Again I
worry offensively if they can at the end finish the

(01:21:54):
last five minutes of that game. But a plus three hundred,
it's not a bad wager. And and as I said,
watch out for the Mavericks, Mavericks in this series against
the Clippers. That's all I'm saying. This is one series
against the Clippers. The Clippers are always gonna clipper. Alright,
very very good. Well, Jeff, next week we're gonna have

(01:22:16):
you in studio with us. I can't wait.

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