11/21/2020 – FOX Football Saturday with Hartman and Arrington - Fox Sports Radio

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last week, LaVar, But I'm here now, sir, you are
indeed here today, which is betterly going to say about
many of the college football games. We're gonna try to
update everybody on who's playing and who's not playing on
this Saturday, LaVar, But we have some interesting games going
on right now. At the top, so Ohio State, which

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had their game last week against Maryland canceled. UH. They
are struggling today against Indiana. Justin Fields, who basically has
been perfect this year, has already thrown two interceptions in
this game. He's just three of seven passing UM. Indiana
hasn't shown much offense, although now all of a sudden,

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Indiana is knocking on the door there at the four
yard line at seven nothing Ohio State UH Pentics, who
has started slowly. The Indiana quarterback UH suddenly has his
team moving on this drive. So we're watching a second
a goal right now at the four yard line throws
the end zone and that is going to be touched

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down Indiana, how about it? So they're an extra point
a way? So is this what we're watching this game?
I guess a couple of things. One Ohio State really
came out flat in this game. Or I'm asking to
LaVar is Indiana this good? Indiana? Is that good? Panics
is a is a heck of a ballplayer. This team
was actually pretty good last year, so coming into this year,

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I think a lot of people may have underestimated how
good they could be or how good they may have
really been, and now we're finding out. I mean, they're
still undefeated, They've beaten some quality teams. I mean at
the time that they beat my team be Penn State. Uh,
everybody was zero and zero right as start of the season.

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It was excitement and they pulled it out in in
a thrilling, uh questionable fashion. Nonetheless, they deserve to win
that game. They played so well. So answer your question, Steve,
they are a legit football team and today could be
a very very uh you know statement driven day by
by Indiana. Well, so far Panics. I mean, we will

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talk about I I talk about I'm a little obsessed,
as you know, the Heisman, you know, talk about the candidates.
Field has been my number one guy, the less a
couple of weeks. He will not be today because he
didn't play last week. I'm really going with guys that
are playing games. But right now Panics is out playing him. Today.
Panics is nine of eighteen hundred thirty four yards a
touchdown no picks. Fields is just three of seven eighty

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six yards a touchdown with two picks uh in this game.
So obviously we're gonna keep our guy eyes on this
Ohio State Indiana game. Another game that is a surprising
early score. Florida number six in the country, five and
one on the season, on the road against winless Vanderbilt,
winless owen six Vanderbilt, and Vanderbilt is leading this game

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right now ten to seven, uh there in the second quarter,
about nine minutes to go in the half. So you
know this, this has just been I don't even know
really a word to describe this college football season other
than the fact that it is what it is. I mean,

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I mean, there are six more games today that were
scheduled with top twenty five teams that are either postponed
and canceled, including number one Clemson who ride at Florida
State and they were they were there, I mean, they're
ready to roll. And then one Clemson player test positive.
They packed their bags, they're heading out of town. It's

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it's tumultuous. I think there's a lot of a lot
of turbulence that is surrounding our country and and it's
playing out in the microcosm of the football in the
sports world. So you know, it it to me. You know,
a lot of questions surrounded the NBA Finals as to
what type of champion would with the crown team become

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this year, right, Steve, It's like, God, it's not It's
not a real championship. It's an astric championship because of
COVID and the season was abbreviated and and the disruption
of the season, and the teams that were really good
may not have come back and played as well as
they could have based upon the circumstances as well. To me,

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I look at this and I say, you are more
of a champion if you're winning in these atmospheres and
these circumstances. You gotta have a different level of accountability.
You have to have a different level of of focus
and attention to detail because of all of the uncertainties
that are surrounding what's taking place for you. So to me,

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even though it's a tumultuous season that's taking place for
this this football season, you are still seeing where people
are adapting and adjusting while others aren't there falling victim
to the extra added circumstances that are have been created
by COVID. So I think it's it's it's very good

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to have this moment in time. I don't want it
to become a norm Steve by any stretch of imagination,
but I like the fact that in our history we
had a moment in time where as as a sports world,
you had to actually come together and figure out the
best approach within these these crazy, crazy times of of COVID.

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So yeah, I think it even the playing field a
little bit for a lot of different teams. I think
it's given giving people an opportunity in cases where some
schools don't have a hundred thousand people showing up to
watch them play, right, and now you get an even
playing field, and it's like Okay, it's body to body.
Now it's man to man, it's amano ormano. Based upon

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the fact that you don't have fans creating a unfair
or different advantage for some of these powerhouse schools. Yeah,
it's I I saw someone suggest uh in an article
that let's pull the plug on this college football season.
I mean, and the art and the argument was is
that by and this actually included the NFL as well,

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But the NFL at this point hasn't canceled any games.
We probably are gonna have a Week eight teen in
the NFL because they're gonna run out of by dates
that they can move gains back. But as far as
college football, they're saying, well, it's sending the wrong message.
Like for those that want to be hesitant in and

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fully grasping the seriousness of this pandemic, they can cite
college football say well, look, they're the players are out there,
there's full sidelines, there's even some fans in the stands
um you know, and and and you can fall back
and the only reason, the only reason we have any
college football at all is money. I mean, we had

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said LaVar back, you know, when we had no sports
at all, when we were still speculating about any sports
being played at all in that ultimately money would win out,
and it did because you have television contracts. There's a
lot on the line for these universities, and we could
have seen the complete extinction of certain athletic departments if

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they were avoid of any football revenue. So we knew
ultimately they were going to try to figure this out.
I look at it different though, because I'm gonna I'm
siding with you the fact that they've done what they've
done and you can't say they have an air on
the side of caution. Clemson is a perfect example today
one player, one player test positive for COVID nineteen. They

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call the game off, so they've they've aired on caution.
We got games canceled, postponed all over the place. They're
gonna finish this season. I don't know where we're gonna
see at the end. But as a college football fanatic,
as you know I am, and as you are that
you know, we'll just take what we can and understand
that they're doing everything they can and this is this

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is really a microcosm of what's going on in this country.
We're trying to do our best to live our lives
as well as we can in light of this pandemic.
And that's exactly what we're seeing every Saturday with college football. Yeah,
I mean, I think you put it very well, and
I think everyone who is adapting and adjusting to to

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the given circumstances are should be commended. Are commendable, commendable people.
And you know when you look at all of the
people who may say there shouldn't have been a season
because of the health concerns and you know, bringing up
the money issues, that there are always going to be
different sides and different thought processes. Are you know, the

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game and the money is more important than the people.
But you know, with that being said, they still have
to go out there and decide they want to play.
They you know, you could opt out. You know, people
have opted out on playing. Um. This is a decision
that that people are given the opportunity to make. So
once that decision is made, Steve, now you're talking about

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what are you gonna do with the opportunity. And I
think that in in a lot of regards, this will
be maybe it will go down if I mean, I'm
I might be being bold here, but you gotta imagine
it's got to be a top five season in the
history of college football, and and the reason being is

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because everybody has the same set of of crazy circumstances
that they have to deal with and still prepare for
games each week. I always say, all these upsets that
are taking place, everybody's like, oh, it's cause of COVID,
it's cause of COVID. Well does it? The team that
just kick the crap out of the favorite have to

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deal with the same circumstances as as the team that
was picked to win the game. So knowing that the
conditions have created a more even playing field for some
of these teams has been interesting to see and I
think an eye opener for not only the sports world,

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but it could be an eye opener for future recruiting
as well. It's like, well, I might go to this school.
This school seems a little interesting. I wouldn't have thought
it was as interesting as as it is now, but
I'm interested in it. So there could be a lot
of different UH products that emerge from what's taking place
in college football and taking a step further probably in

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college basketball as well college sports as a whole. But
but just looking at how it plays out, on TV. Steve,
you gotta believe that that college football this year, it
has to be a legendary year. Oh, it will go
down in history and we will look back, you know,
sit with our grandchildren someday and say, yeah, I remember
back in Well happened that year? How did that team

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only play five games? But what what on on that year?
But it is a story being told unfolding as we speak.
We're in the guy go Fox Sports Radio studios. Remember
the n b A screaming about all the money they
lost because of the shortened season, the bubble and everything else. Well,
now the free agency is upon us. Doesn't look like

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anybody's losing that on any money. We're gonna tell you
how the economics of the NBA has been exposed in
the last twenty four hours. Coming up next, justin fields hands,
Master Chick running left side of the Indiana forty rust
his way to to to the ten, to the fire
and into the end zone. Master t on a forty

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one yard touchdown run Paul Kills from Learfield. I amg
college Master Tigue. That's a name, Master t exploding down
the sidelines. Ohio State regains the league fourteen seven over Indiana.
We got eight and half minutes ago in the first half,
Indiana of the ball at their own twenty six yard line.

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So Ohio State getting back on top fields is struggling,
but the running game is going. And by the way,
Indiana has no running game. They actually have negative yards
rushing so far in this game. UM, LaVar Arrington, Steve,
We're coming to you live from the getic Fox Sports
radio studios, so you know the NBA lot of news.

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And by the way, before we even started with a
free agency, I got I gotta do a shout out. UM.
Michael Thompson UH was my radio partner for five years
in Los Angeles. UH, and so when Michael came to
l A from Hortland. UH, this is one of my
favorite stories. So we we started together in the oh
three oh four season. That was the year. Of course,

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the Lakers ended up losing uh the NBA Championship Series
to the Pistons, and that upset when you know shocks
last year with the Lakers, Phil Jackson got fired. All
hell was breaking loose with the Lakers. So Michael's family,
his three sons, Michael, his oldest who played college basketball, Pepperdine,
Clay and then the younger son, Trace of course play

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Major League baseball. Um, he had his two younger boys
because they were finishing school. Was June back in oh four,
they're finishing in high school, and he flew into them
to Detroit and Clay was fourteen and Trace was thirteen.
So we got these kids and they fly to Detroit
and first time I had a chance to meet them,

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and we were gonna take We had an off day
because we're in Detroit for like a week. LaVar right,
because it was three games and we had a Sunday off,
so we're gonna take the boys. They had flown out
with their uncle to a Tiger's game in America. So
we get to game day Sunday and I come over
and Michael, the dad, says, you know, I'd rather stay
in today. What are you talking about? You just flew

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your boys out here, and you want me to take
him to the game. Yeah, could you take him to
the game? I'm like, are you fine? Uncle Steve will
take him to the game. So I take him to
the game. I pay for everything, you know, yeah exactly.
So Um, anyway, we go. Years later, and it was

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right after Clay had signed his first big deal. I
think it's like a sixty million dollar deal whatever it
was with the Warriors. Warriors were in LA to play
the Lakers, and I'm doing my TV work at Staples
Center and I see the whole Thompson family after the game,
and I said, you know, Clay, now that you've got that,
and he's like Mr Hartman, He's called it always weirds
me out when I hear Mr Hartman. Anyway, Um, I said,

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now that you've signed the sixty million dollar deal, you
think I could get you to pay me back for
that Tiger game back when you were fourteen years old,
since your cheap ass dad for the back trading. Um Um.
It's a tremendous family. I've known Clay again since he
was fourteen years old. I'm devastated. I mean, I mean,
you know injuries LaVar, I mean, he comes off the

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a c l our buddy here, Katino Mobley have been
playing with Clay over the last several months. I was
getting weekly updates from cat Mobile about you know how's
Clay Loh, he looks great, He's gonna be a d
percent and then he blows the achilles, and the Achilles
is a devastating injury for any athlete, for a basketball
it's just you know, I can only think of one

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NBA player who in his prime had a achilles that
came back anywhere near where he was before, and that
was Dominique Wilkins way back in the day. But this
is gonna be tough to sit out to full years. Um.
And of course he signed that huge contract. I mean,
he's got a hundred and fifteen million guaranteed over the

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next four years. UM. So anyway, my thoughts are with
Clay and the Yeah, great I mean, great family, I mean,
and Michael Thompson lad the way I mean if people
don't if that name doesn't ring a bell as soon
as you hear it, uh, just do some googling. He
he was a heck of a you would consider a
role player because of how big the names were that

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were around him on that team. But man and Clay,
Clay found himself kind of in the same type of
situation as his dad, which is pretty interesting. And you know, man,
I take it from somebody who, like I said, uh,
an achilles injury ended my career. I decided I did
not want to play anymore after feeling the pain of

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what that Achilles Hill injury, that that blow felt like um.
But you know, I will say this technology has improved
so much, the approaches and the techniques to to correct
and and heal people has gone so far. So it'll
come down to a lot of hard work, Uh, a

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lot of painful moments. He'll have to get through a
lot of that scar tissue and a lot of stretching
to make sure that he can you know, a long
gate that that whatever they use a cadaver um, you know,
part of a cadaver to repair it or or whatever
it is they do to reconnected however they do it,
but it's gonna be a long, long, painful process. That

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Achilles Hill injury is not that rupture is not a game. Yeah,
that's not a game. So our best to him. All right,
I'm gonna get to the economics of the NBA. So
they announced that they lost about one point five billion
in revenue, about a tem person decrease in revenue. Uh
this past season. And remember of the season had already

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been played before the shutdown with full arenas and everything else,
and then they were off and then they created the
bubble and finished out the season. So we go to
start this season, which, by the way, camp opens in
less than two weeks. As we've got free agency underway,
and I think people are taken back by all this money.
Like Daron Fox gets a Supermax deal with the King's

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five years, a hundred sixty three million dollars. You have
Gordon Hayward walking out on a guaranteed thirty four million dollars.
How about James Harden was turning down a two year,
one hundred and three million dollar extension with the Rocket
that that would be hard money, wouldn't it to say no?

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Come on, I mean, let's get serious. Yet, what do
you offer me fifty million a year? Don't embarrass me
with that offer. I want to go elsewhere. Uh. That's
that's that's unbelievable. But what we're finding out is and
apparently they did a little revision with the Collective Bargaining Agreement,
but they're still guaranteed regardless of how many fans show

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up any lost revenue were no, we're gonna see empty
arenas for much of the upcoming NBA season. That the
players have agreed and the league is agreed to an
increase in the salary cap over the next several years
through the end of the current collective bargaining agreements. So
we always hear owners screaming poverty, but as we're finding

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out in the n b A, that is far from
the truth. Well, I'll say this, most most owners, if
you look at their portfolio, their sports team is not
their means of income. It's it's either a passion of
a family heirloom of sorts, you know, family business uh

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or or a hobby uh. You know, most of them
made their fortunes and other other businesses. So when they
claim that whole you know, poverty stricken and and not
not able to uh pay these players more or raise
the cap or raised the percentage of of split with

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you know, the TV contracts, it generally is them trying
to maintain a a very very strict approach to their
their business. You know, they're what, they're the top of
the line. There there p in els, you know they're there.
It's not it's poverty in the sense that they don't
want to go below a certain percentage of profit. And

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and that's just what any business person in the business
world will say and what they'll live by. Steve, So
to me, I understand it, and I get it just
because we're looking at it from UH an angle of man,
we're talking billions of dollars here. Well, when you get
into breaking it down and and what the what the cost,
the line items of the cost that go into it,

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and what you're left with at the end of it,
you know, it's a certain it's a certain percentage you
want to be at. And if it's below that, then
then you start to get into the conversations of is
it worth it, you know, and and and how bad
is it hitting you in terms of what what you're
putting away having this as as one of your businesses. Yeah,
I mean, if you if you want to think about this,

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there are what about four hundred to four hundred fifty
players total in the NBA, and that includes guys just
you know, sitting at the end of the bench. There
are fifty plus players that are set to get a
paycheck this year in tune of twenty million or more.
That's one out of nine, really more like one out

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of eight. UH players in this league will make a
base salary of at least twenty million dollars in the
upcoming season. So the NBA is doing fine, I know,
Like the Golden State Warriors were hoping to get about
fifty per fifty percent capacity in the arena. The city
of San Francisco laughed in their face, So that's not

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gonna happen. Uh, They were willing to put up thirty
million dollars if I wanted to get onto the other side,
because you know, we're almost to the NBA season, and
I know we've got plenty of college football. By the way,
Ohio State has just scored again. They're now up twenty
to seven. Florida's taking a leader over Vanderbilt. But just
how how the NBA is going to navigate this upcoming season.

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But right now, let's find out what's trendy. We're in
the guy called Fox Sports Radio Studios as we welcome
Mrs David. Guess from what happened we got news sounds
sounds really excited for a Saturday morning. Guys, happy to
be here. Gordon Hayward, guys four years a million dollars

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in Charlotte, that is Une. So he had a guarantee
thirty four million dollar deal for this next season, thirty
four million guarantees. And it wasn't with a scrub organization, right,
And he laughed at that, walked away. And this guy
just remember that injury. He had the dislocated an and

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so he's gonna get thirty million a year over four years.
Not bad, not bad, not bad for Gordon Hayward. Okay, Wow,
that's a lot a lot of money. That's a couple
of clowns. Yeah. Can I get a drink at the bar? You?
I mean, imagine those paychecks? Those are those are good

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looking paychecks? All right? What else is happening out there?
Right deposits? Sign me up, guys. Ohio State's returned to form.
They just drove down the field and scored again, back
to back touchdowns for them twenty one seven over Indiana
the four two to play in the first half. It's
on Fox and also Fox Sports Go app Florida has
recaptured the lead on Vanderbilt. They lead seventeen ten, not

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recaptured that the first ly of the ball game. Kyle
Trask fourteen and nineteen for one and also two touchdowns.
Appalachian State leads fifteen ranked Coastal Carolina ten nine as
a score. Coastal Carolina is seven oh but app State
is six and one out of the Sun Belt Conference.
Memphis twenty seven over Stephen f Austin and the East
Carolina Temple game resumed. It's seven to nothing. East Carolina

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has this one. L s You just scored a touchdown.
They lead seventeen seven over Arkansas. Arkansas down right now
near the goal of l s U Taggers. So for
the season, sit at two and three. Guys, quickly back
to the NBA. Fred van Fleet has reportedly agreed to
a deal with the Toronto Raptors four years and eighty
five million dollars. Bobby Porters has agreed to a two

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year deal with the Milwaukee Bucks. Yeah, I mean van
Fleet a supporting player for the Raptors four years, eighty
five million. So yeah, money is good in the NBA
because they have this cap and they have to spend
the money. That's the whole point. You have to spend
the money. And so a lot of guys you you

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would never dream would make huge money, like Jordan Clarkson.
Jordan Clarkson just got a let me see his deal here,
four years fifty two million, uh with the Utah Jazz.
Not bad for Jordan's Clarkson make it in. I mean,
it's um all right, Hey, we're coming alive from the guy,

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go Fox sports radio studios easier to say fifteen senta
more in carnenterance a Geico go to guy, got our
commer call eight under nine four seven auto. The only
hard part figuring out which way is easier. So LaVar,
I want to get your thoughts here. The Golden State
Warriors had a proposal that was shot down, but their
idea was we could play with fifty percent capacity. Now,
remember they finally opened that new arena last year and

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they basically had a D League team on the court,
so there were empty seats. Um. They were obviously expecting
a big bounce back year, but without Clay Thompson that
remains to be seen. Um. But they were saying this,
all right, here's how we're gonna do this fifty percent capacity.
We're going to spend thirty million dollars to test every

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individual as they're coming into the arena. So that means fans, personnel,
anyone that's entering the arena on a game night. So
you figure seventy two games schedule, that's thirty six games,
all right, So for thirty six games, they're gonna spend
pretty million dollars to get everybody tested. The walks into

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that arena. Uh, and that was thrown out. Um, what
would it take for you to, let's say, bring a
family member to an indoor arena to watch an NBA game?
What what would have to happen for you to say, yeah,
I'm I'm ready to do that. Oh, you know, we

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go out to eat. Sure, So it wouldn't be too
much too much different for for going to a game.
I just would want to make sure that the social
distancing situation was what it was supposed to be. I
wouldn't want to be sitting up on top of one
another and in an environment not in football, not in basketball.

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So I don't I don't think that I would not
go like, oh it's COVID, COVID, COVID COVID. Uh. In fact,
I would go. And a matter of fact, they're on today.
I have a volleyball tournament I have to to go to.
So we're we're pretty active. So I don't think it
would take much. And I think when you talk about
throwing out a figure of thirty million dollars to do this,

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and you're putting forth resources to make sure people are safe,
I think that's more for the optics Steve than it
is for the actual the actual premise of what they're
stating it about going to get shot down. We're in California,
but it's not gonna happen. But also with that being said,
it it sounds good even if it gets shot down, right,

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if it gets past, it's like, oh, they're putting resources
behind making sure that people are safe if it gets
if it if it does, you know, if it doesn't
make it through, and you know, it's like, well, Golden
State cares more than the other teams. They they care
about the health and the welfare of their personnel and
of their their players and of their fans. So, I mean,

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I thought it was a good move on their part
to to put it out their active good will, um
so to speak. But I think that that's what it's
more about versus the the idea of what the money
itself is being invested into it. Yeah, you know, around
the NFL, there aren't a lot of teams that have
had fans. One of the teams that has had fans

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are the Chiefs at Arrowhead. They've been bringing in about
thirteen thousand fans per game and this week COVID can't
survive in Kansas City. Well, there's a major outbreak. In fact,
they have new restrictions in the city announced this week. Yeah,
I was just joking. I know that. I was just

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gonna say, gets so the weather. Yeah, I was gonna say,
the weather so bad in Kansas City, why would COVID
want to go live there? But I guess I guess
I was wrong for even joking. Well, I know it's
not a matter of joking. I mean, you're right about
that in Kansas City. But uh yeah, how about this,
So they have they have their suites open at Arrowhead,

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but they have to do all kinds of extra testing
and be cleared ahead of time and everything else. Um.
So I mean, look again, everyone has got to make
their own choice, right, I mean this varies some state
to state. Uh. You know, we have a new president elect.
Is anything going to change one way or the other?
I don't know. Uh. So far, nothing seems to be changing. Um.

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Everyone seems to be sort of setting their own rules
as we go. And it's true in college football, it's
gonna be true in the n b A uh. And
it's true uh in the NFL. By the way, Indianda,
after giving a back to back touchdowns, had gotten the
ball inside the ten yard line turned it over that
the receiver did he trip over the official? How do

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the official get caught up in the mess? Yeah? He
You know, officials aren't known for their athleticism, but they're
considered to be a part of the field. So the
buddy had, you know, the receiver needed to hold onto
the ball, but it definitely was a distraction for him.
Um in the in the course of the play, and
the official review is definitely a fumball. There was no
question about that. The referee had to be helped off.

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He was limping off the field. He had to go
to the trainer's table for little treatment. Well you have
a couple of players. Yeah, yeah, they've landed on him.
I mean he's he's not going anywhere. Uh So, Ohio
State gets the ball back. Seven Buckeyes leading this game
three eleven to go in the first half, so they
have reasserted themselves. So yeah, I mean again, everyone has

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all these thoughts about, you know, you shouldn't do this,
you can't do that, you can do this, you can't
do that. Look, it's we're making this up as we go, right,
and it's from the get go we basically have been
changing the rules, the doctors, you know, different ideas on
this entire thing. So we're just gonna we're gonna make
the best of anything that we have thrown out there

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for us. Uh. I've been putting off the game later
today between your Nitney Lions and Sam's Iowa Hawkeyes. Um.
Last Sunday, your fellow Nitney Lion Rich Ormberger was sitting
here and Iowa Sam was begging him to make a bet.
I mean he wanted a bet on the game Iowa.

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Oh yeah, you were betting the bank. Iowa is a
slight favorite on the road, not anymore. What happened now,
states the favorite? What happened? Yeah, it went from about
two and a half points earlier this week. Now Penn
State's a one and a half point face. So money
is pouring in. That's a lot. That's a big switch
because our whole week Iowa was favored. So what what's
happening there? Lavarz Bar knows they got their backs? Is

(31:37):
that smart money to uh put it on the Owen
four Nitney Lions at home against Iowa today? Ah? Uh?
Pain maybe maybe maybe? No, it's not a maybe. I
would not that's not smart money today. You don't think so, No,
that's not smart money. You think they're gonna open oh
and five for the first time in program history. I've really,

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I really because I don't know why they're losing. But
you gotta keep in mind they went to to Lincoln
and we're getting throttled. Statistically, they did do well in
that game. They just just didn't show up on the
score where they turn it overcomes. I think statistically it
actually hides how bad they have been playing. Well, let's

(32:23):
let it this way. They have given up thirty six,
thirty eight, thirty five, and thirty points in their four games.
You see a pattern there? Do uh? And? Offensively, Well,
you're you're the one that told me they need to
fire their entire offensive coaching staff. I did not say that.
You did not say that. I thought, I but heard
that that was that might that might have been rich.

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That wasn't me. No, I think, did I say fire?
Let me run a few things past you real quick
first downs for Penn State thirty first towns as opposed
to seventeen for Nebraska. Last week, they had five one
total yards. I mean they can move the ball. How
many times? No, no, hold on many times they get
quarterbacks run the ball like that. That's and then they

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put in the other kid and then he started running.
It's just it's it's not. They both averaged about three
point two to three point four yards a kid. Forget
the yards twenty four times for eighty yards, that's four
times the quarterbacks ran the ball well being sacked and

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I'll arrest my I'll arrest my case twenty four times.
I don't care Incluton sack and they are four because
they're trying to run all the time. Everybody's bringing the
house throwing the kitchen sink at this offense because they're not.
They're running the same place. Oh man, you don't would
contact that, No, I would not. You're not confident today,

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I'm not. How about you? Are you gonna bet the
bank on your Hawkeyes? Now? Is a dog dog on
the road. I am a winless team. I'm with the
far I'm not confident in Iowa either. I think it's
gonna be a battle. I think it's gonna come down
about a field goal. Well, they only comes down to
one person because he's the only guy that actually puts
up and then shuts up. And I'm talking about Gavin
because he bets on everything. So are are you wait, wait, wait,

(34:16):
are you leaning on that game on the Iowa game? Yeah,
a favorite. I'm just gonna enjoy that game. I get
kind of freaked out when lines moved that much. I'm
weirded out by the New Orleans Saints. You know they
opened it five favorites. It's amaze you literally are reading
my mind all right? Where in the guy go? Fox
Sports Radio Studios. The Saints made a decision yesterday that

(34:39):
is absolutely blown my mind. We'll explain why coming up now,
field's gonna sluing. It rolls away from a defender running
to the left of the fifteen fields, to the ten fields,
to the five leaks hands in the end zone for
a touchdown justin fields on a nine yard run, Paul
keels from their field. I am g college. So just

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like that, when we were talking about Boya Indiana, are
they for real? Ohio States for real? Eight to seven
halftime buck guys now blowing out Indiana. Of course, Ohio
stay with a limited schedule. Last week, their game against
Maryland was canceled. Um, so they're only gonna have what
seven games? Six seven games on their schedule. Trying to

(35:22):
entice people to put him in the playoff. They sure
will because they're Ohio State. Um. Oh, by the way,
this was unbelievable this week here, LaVar by the way,
LaVar Arrington, Steve Hartman with you here on this fabulous Saturday.
So the New Orleans Saints they're gonna be without Drew
Brees for at least three weeks. At least three weeks.

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And remember last year Teddy Bridgewater jumped in. They didn't
miss a beat. In fact, Teddy bridge Ritter was so
impressive that he ends up getting that deal down in Carolina.
So it worked up. So remember during the offseason they
signed Jamis Instant just basically minimum. This is Jamis Winston,
by the way, who last year led the NFL in
passing yards and was second in touchdowns through a ton

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of interceptions. Interception that's crazy numbers. So they announced this
week that it would not be Jamis Winston who would
start a quarterback. It would be Taysom Hill. Now this
before we get into that whole dynamic, this is what
Sean Payton, Saints coach, said, when asked about why the

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decision was made to start Taysom Hill. I haven't announced
that either one of those two were starting. So that
was just leaked by someone else. I guess today. I
didn't see today or what you're talking about. It was.
It was just the headline on Yes, then the table
was going to start. Yeah, I didn't see that in
and again, uh, you know, we've got a good week

(36:50):
of preparation and we're looking forward to the game. Just
to clarify said no, no one has been in to start. Yeah, listen,
someone has been named the starter. But we had let
me ask you this, all right, So Taysom Hill, who
by the way, did sign an extension with the Saints
for a little over ten million a year. He basically

(37:12):
is a wildcat guy, is what he does. I mean,
he does a variety of things. The one thing he
doesn't do is throw the ball. In three years in
New Orleans, he's actually been there for the first year.
He was only called up for special teams at the
end of the year. But in three years his total
passing numbers are this ten of eighteen zero touchdowns. That's
his career in the NFL, ten of eighteen zero. So

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unless the Saints are completely changing their offense, and by
the way, Michael Thomas couldn't be all that happy about that.
But unless they completely change in their offense, does it
make any sense for them to start Taysom Hill over
Jameis Winston. He can throw the ball. People may not
know that, but he can throw the ball. He's just

(37:56):
not had to because he's fitting to the offense the
way that they fit them into it. But he can't
throw the ball. This conversation. Look, I had this conversation
on Speak for Yourself this week with with Marcelis Nacho,
and it's really just it just comes down to the
finances of it, in my opinion, and I think that
if you look at it, you you mentioned it, the

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amount of money that that Taysom Hill is getting paid
to to be the backup one of the backups on
this team, UH is significant and much more significant in
in number and cap implications versus Jamis Winston. Another point,
another point to look at as it applies to the
finances of it. You brought up Teddy Bridgewater. Teddy Bridgewater

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gets the opportunity to go in, he does an amazing job,
and Drew Brees's absence and his price tag went so
far up through the roof that that people had the
opportunity to poach him away from New Orleans. They weren't
planning on getting rid of Teddy Bridgewater. I could guarantee
you they were planning on making him, transitioning him into

(39:03):
the next starting quarterback for that team. But because of
the success that he had in one of those short
term contracts, it didn't allow for them to be able
to do that. There could be a little bit of
posturing taking place in this situation with Jamis Winston. Alright,
So Taysom Hill will or will I mean it really
shouldn't matter, right, I mean, the Saints are home against Atlanta,

(39:25):
the struggling Falcons this year. But I mean it's an
important game for the Saints. I mean right now, you know,
coming off the big one against Tampa. I mean they
want to keep this momentum going. Uh as they have
regained the lead in their division at seven and two
over the seven three Bucks. So um, you know, interesting
times when you say Taysom Hill can throw the ball. Look,

(39:46):
he played five years at b y U. One year
was a single game because of an injury. I mean
his passing numbers were pedestrian. I mean they weren't. They
were less than sixty passing you know, almost as many
interceptions as touched owns um. But when you look at
that Saints offense, how well do you actually have to
throw the football? Uh? Well, I mean you're the most

(40:09):
as ever. Yeah, but having Camaric just gives you a
whole lot of options, so you don't have to go
deep down the field. You keep it right in front
of him like a shooter, keep the room right in
front of him, and then you'll be Okay. They have
a good enough playbook where they can do that. All right,
we're in the guy called Fox Sports Radio Studios. We
have much more on a very very busy day in

(40:30):
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So it's another weekend of college football with several canceled games.

(40:53):
Six top twenty five teams scheduled today will not be
playing today. The latest was this Tim Sin game against
Florida State. This was last second. I mean they're ready
to roll three hours before kickoff, somebody on the Clemston
team test depositive one of the players, and so there
will be no game. By the way, that's probably a

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sigh of relief for Florida's State. Um, they are beyond bad.
They are two and six this year. Uh, they made
the coaching change, but the damage had already been done
by taggart um and now the guys trying to pick
up the pieces. Um, I mean, did you ever think
Florida's State was gonna get to this point? I mean

(41:37):
they're not just too like they're getting blown out of games.
I mean just absolutely boat raced week after week. How
does that happen to a program like Florida's State? You
think about even after their tremendous run, they had four
imagine this under Bobby Baton. At one point, they had
fourteen consecutive seasons were they finished ranked in the top

(41:58):
five final a people, fourteen straight years. That will never
be done, never been done before, will never be done again.
All right, So that's post Bowl five, fourteen straight years
top five. Um. Then, then, of course Jimbo Fisher was
able to bring him back. They wanted another national championship
with Jamis Winston. They follow that up with an undefeated

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regular season. They got blown up by Oregon in the playoffs.
But but how does a program like Florida State that
has that kind of success for as long as they did,
find themselves where they are right now. It's it's quite
simple if you ask me. I mean, when you think
about what goes into getting the type of athletes you

(42:42):
have to get to restock and replenish the cupboards at
those top schools, those Power five schools, it has tremendously
changed in terms of the landscape of of the personalities
of these talented young men and and what it takes

(43:02):
to get them not only to come to your school,
but want to stay there and want to perform. And
if you're not the type of coach that can understand
culturally speaking, how to deal with those type of high
end athletes, they're going to fizzle out. They're not going
to develop, they'll be malcontents, they'll they'll be transfer portal guys,

(43:28):
they will be uh under underachievers. And you see it
happen so much now, it's always happened in the history
of the game. Where top four star, five star, three
star guys don't prove out, they end up going to
a different school, smaller, smaller and stature, smaller in size,

(43:48):
smaller in conference. Uh, and they're able to get their
feet under them and have a career like they much
wanted at the school they started at. But but Steve,
I gotta be honest with you, it's more about the
ability to manage these young men and their families off
the field than it is what's taking place on the field.

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It's less about xs and ohs anymore. It's more about
being able to manage them as as human beings. And
you can't have a coach like a Joe paternal style
of coach in today's football culture because they'll leave, you know.
And that's what coaches are trying to figure out. Old

(44:32):
school principles, beliefs, styles of coaching, ways of handling things
is obsolete. Now. You can't force them to to cut
their hair, take their air rings out. Only can have
a mustache on the top of your lip. Like all
of these rules, some of them military based type of rules.
You can't do it. You can't. You cannot control the

(44:54):
growth and the development and almost a dictatorship role like
you once were able to do. And I think Florida
State is one of those schools where you know, you
teetered the line. Bobby Bouton allowed those guys to be
who they were. They had personality, but they were far
from as loose in terms of a type of structured

(45:16):
team as you know a Miami or even back then
a Florida under under Steve Spurrier and in in Miami under
Butch Davis or Croker or those you know during those
times back in the nineties and in the early two thousands.
So I just think that that's what you're seeing right now,

(45:36):
is that there's no there's not a real cracking of
the code of how to use the talent that you're
bringing into your school. Yeah, it's it's and and again
you you played, obviously for one of the greatest legends
of all time and Joe Paterno, who had been there
since the beginning of time, much like Bobby Bouten at

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Florida State. Um. But then all of the sudden, I mean,
let's go back to the Taggart situation of Florida State,
because the fact was, when Jimbo Fisher left, the wheels
were already coming off. Now he had had that great run,
but remember his last year and he resigned before the
last game. They were sitting in there at five and six,
so something was happening, already trending in the negative direction

(46:22):
when he jumped on that A and M deal. So
Tagger comes in and he's he's making all these promises,
and you know, he had history. He had coached at
South Florida. He knew Florida recruiting. One of the big
reasons that he was brought in after that one year
at Oregon. But it was obvious from the get go
that the cover was bare. I mean, he just did

(46:42):
not have the kind of talent and so they blow
him out after you know, two years now you bring
in normal who you know had good success at Memphis UM.
But he's sitting in two and six right now, and
you wonder they got to be patient because if you
start playing that game of you know, firing code to
every two years or something like that, And I saw

(47:03):
it with my U c l A basketball program over
the years. If you're constantly turning coaches over when you're
when you're hitting that recruiting trail and you're sitting there
trying to make the case said hey, we're the best
program for your son and you know, the families looking
at it, You're like, yeah, but is your coach gonna
be there next year? Are you gonna be here next
year the year after? That seems to be a revolving door.

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That kind of instability can really kill you on the
recruiting trail, especially in a state of Florida, where the
recruiting wars are so fierce for that talent. And now
you've got other Florida schools like Central Florida, South Florida, Florida,
Atlanta Florida, and I mean they're they're getting recruits away

(47:45):
from schools like Florida State. So you know, my my
advice to the Seminoles was give this normal guy a chance.
I mean, I doesn't look good now, but you know,
this is like three or four years to try to
rebuild this thing if they can. In Tallahassey, yeah, I
think you're spot on. You're not. You're never gonna find
out if a coach has a true opportunity or a

(48:06):
true ability to change the fortunes of the team. I mean,
Jimbo Fisher came in and did a well of a
job as a coach there, they haven't seen success since
he's left. Uh, but again it takes you gotta keep
in mind, I mean, you take a team that built
the culture and the mindset that Bobby about and put

(48:27):
into them for so many years, and then that's gone.
And then you get somebody who's actually able to come
in and really really um take it and and and
nurture it and grow it and understand it. In jimbo
Um who had been in the program for three years.
Remember he was the head coach and waiting. Batten wasn't
happy about that, but at least he had been in

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the program for three years. You're gonna need somebody to
build the culture, the cultural foundations to be able to
see if that cultural foundation can thrive or not. And
like you said, it's gonna take it's gonna take time.
It's gonna take time because you gotta get your guys in,
the guys that were already there. A lot of times

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there's more ownership um taken by older guys that have
to deal with new head coaches than what people would
ever imagine. UM. So then you're coming in fighting a battle.
Unless you have a really good group of guys, you're
coming in fighting a battle where people will be resistant
to your your leadership um. They will question what your

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values are of, what in principles that you're building your
your program off of. They will have trepidation towards you
because they think that you're not one of their guys.
We're not guys to one another. You're just a new
coach and you'll try to phase me out to bring
your guys in, which is the right way of looking
at it, because nobody wants to to to deal with
the wins and loss accountability of somebody else's guys being

(49:56):
the reason why you're winning and losing. But that's what
coaches take on. That's the responsibilities they take on when
they take over these programs. When you take over a
high end program like a Florida State who has the
team litterate with three and four star and some five
star recruits that are on the roster, you're expected to
win immediately. You're not giving a grace period of time

(50:16):
to be able to try to figure it out and
build it out. But again coming back to the original points, Steve,
you're definitely correct. You gotta give a guy in those
type of of programs, even if it appears that unless
they just do some just crazy egregious type stuff. Like
some of the things that we saw Chip Kelly may
have do could have could have led to him not

(50:38):
being the coach and being dismissed, but you saw them
stay in there. Now. Some will say it's based upon
how much he's being paid, and that could very well
be the truth. But no matter what, you made that
financial that that economic uh decision for a reason. So
you gotta give it an opportunity to play out, all right.
The very first college football Playoff rankings are coming out

(51:01):
this week. Um, and there shouldn't be a surprise Week one,
but that doesn't guarantee there won't be so surprises down
the road. We're gonna tell you why this college football
Playoff this year could look a lot different than it
has in the past. Coming up next, Fields with the
ball in his hands, looks to throw tosses into the
ends on Wilson's got it for the score nine yard

(51:24):
past play justin Fields to Garrett Wilson. The second time
they pooked up for a passing TV Paul Keels from
Learfield I AMG College. So a game that looked early like, wow,
this one could come down to the wire. It's like
over thirty five to seven. Ohio State now leading early
in the second half. After a slow star Justin Fields

(51:46):
has picked up steam fifteen to fifty six, two touchdowns.
He threw two interceptions on the first half, his first
interceptions of the year, by the way. Garrett Wilson, who
was the number one high school player two years ago
and into the country around the nation, six catches hundred
forty two yards and two touchdowns. Although Indiana has just scored,

(52:10):
Indiana has just scored, so they get at least one back,
but still penning the extra point. Um. You know, we
we talk about this Ohio State team and where they
fit in with their late start LaVar um and obviously
pretty good. I mean, they're absolutely loaded, as they always are.

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And if you look at the college football rankings right now,
you've got Alabama, Notre Dame in o highest state. Notre
Dame obviously based on their victory against Clemson. Oh those
three teams. Look, if they run the table, obviously they're
gonna be in. The big question is what's gonna happen
with the fourth team, because we are most likely gonna

(52:58):
have a rematch of Notre Dame and Clemson. And let
me ask you this. If Notre Dame beats Clemson again
and Clemson is sitting there with two losses, can you
see anyway than an undefeated Cincinnati or an undefeated b

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y you could find their way into the playoff. Possible,
but highly unlikely. There will be a more there will
be a more suitable candidate. I mean, you gotta throw
in their Ohio state. Well, no, I have Ohio State, Alabama,
Notre Dame, Ohio State. Those are the three that are in,

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assuming they all run the table. There is Clemson lose
to Notre Dame again, they would have two losses. And
then you look at and M in Florida. They both
have one loss, but most likely they're gonna have a
second loss. So if you had just leave Alabama, Notre Dame,
is in Ohio states out of the picture, they all
go undefeated their automatically in. But if you have a

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two lost Clemson two loss A and M two loss Florida,
and then you have an undefeated Cincinnati or an undefeated
b y U, I don't think you have a choice
but to put one of those two teams, don't you think?
And I and I put it this way because they're
always getting grief. You know from these group of five
conferences that there's no way they even have an avenue

(54:24):
to get into the playoff in this crazy season. Wouldn't
that be a golden opportunity to say, no, there you go,
remember b YU Cincinnati, they got into the playoff. Um,
it's it's I mean, because if you were to pick
let's say, a two loss Clemson over an undefeated Cincinnati
or b y U. I'm not saying it won't happen

(54:47):
because you said it's still Clemson everything else, But I mean,
at some point, don't you have to sort of, you know,
give some you know, credibility to the playoff that at
least this group of five has some path to get there.
I think the problem people will run into is as this,
as the season wears on, you will look at more

(55:09):
one more favorably a one lost team versus a an
undefeated team, So Cincinnati, B YU you will actually look
at and and it's crazy because there and some polls,
most polls floor Cincinnati and b y U are rated
higher than some undefeated teams someone lost teams. As as

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we move forward, if they were to stay undefeated, I
don't know if they could hold off one win team
or one lost teams. You know, like, would it be
more attractive to put Cincinnati b y U in over
Wisconsin that hasn't played enough games. I mean their ranked tenth,
but they only have played two games. Well, you have

(55:54):
this big game today, you have the battle of unbeaten's.
You got Northwestern and Wisconsin playing each other till you
go right. Then you have Oregon that hasn't played a
lot and USC so they're just to me. I think
there are going to be teams that if they go
through this season undefeated. Now I will say this. I
will say this, Steve, and this provides an interesting caveat

(56:18):
is that fans are not going to be at these games.
So generally speaking, the two major reasons why you choose
the teams that you choose is one, they have a
deal with with your So let's make it three, but
it's it's TV viewership. But some of these schools have
deals with these the major coverage arm of the playoff.

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That's one, right, We've already gone over that in past shows.
Um so that's one and two. And then the third
one being that if the team travels well, you know
you'll take a team that wasn't necessarily qualified for the
level of bowl game that they got into, and they
weren't rated high here than some of the teams that
were passed up to go to that bowl game in particular,

(57:03):
but they were passed up because they don't travel as well.
So you won't you won't have to use that or
gauge that in terms of traveling in person fans for
the game, as as a piece of the puzzle and
choosing who you want to be in the college playoff.
It's going to be purely based upon the entertainment value

(57:24):
of viewership. So it could play in the favor of
a Cincinnati and a b YU to actually be able
to get into a playoff if they go undefeated I
guess even and and taking Cincinnati and b YU out
of this because again, like you say, without crowds, I mean,
there's not gonna be a stadium full of people obviously,

(57:45):
Then it really comes down to TV numbers. I mean again,
this is ESPN orchestrates the entire college football playoff. The
SEC and a CEC are under their umbrella. It would
be interesting, though, if you had let's say, a two
loss Clemson team versus a one loss Oregon team are
a one loss U s C team, would they get

(58:08):
the nod over a two loss Clemson team or would
ESPN say, yeah, you know what it's it's still the
a c C. Uh. Notre Dame is sort of on
rental in the a c C, so they don't really
you know, I can just I can just hear it
how this committee is gonna try. I mean, Clemson and
Alabama have been in each have been an all but

(58:30):
one playoff. Okay, one loss exactly, Um, but a two
loss Clemson team that would be I don't know that
you can justify two losses now, I just don't not
not over a a no loss team. Alright. What about
a one loss Oregon, a one loss USC where they
get the nod over a two loss Clemson team? Yes, easily, Yeah,

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that's not even up for debate. Alright, So that would
mean well and the ace EC would have representation with
Notre Dame. But I don't think that would happen for
Cincinnati or b y U. No. No, I mean, and
I agree with you. I mean I look at it
as an opportunity in a crazy season where you know

(59:16):
ultimately you're gonna have a playoff credibility. Whatever in credibility
is always in the eyes of the holders. Central Florida
is still claiming a national championship from a couple of
years ago because they were the only undefeated team left.
But this would, I mean, this would be an opportunity.
You know. B y U is an interesting team. By
the way, We're gonna have our Heisman update coming up

(59:36):
here in about five minutes. Um, they have North Alabama
on their schedule today, they're already eight. No, they do
not have another scheduled game until December twelve against San
Diego State, so they are gonna be off. What is
that three weeks? They're gonna be off three straight weeks.

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In fact, b y U right now is scre rambling
to try to schedule someone last second. We have that
situation last week with U C l A and Cal
which was scheduled on a Friday, played on a Sunday,
where they're just trying to fill out their schedule. Um,
do you like this idea of just sort of last second,
let's hey, let's get together and play a game. What

(01:00:17):
do you think you know? You're open, We're open. You
want to play a game coming up on Saturday? Are
you cool with that right now, because we've seen that
a couple of times already this season. For the sake
of competing, I'll say yes. For the sake of how
we're viewing and judging the accomplishments and the achievements, I'll

(01:00:42):
say no, because there's not a there's not a true
evaluating of the team you're going to play. There's not
a true preparation of the team that you're going to play. Um,
it's just very difficult when you look at traditionally. You know,
I'm a football purest, I'm a I'm a and and
I'm football pures So when it's a purist this season,

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it is, and that's why I would be okay with
seeing it so that they could compete. But to know
what goes into the amount of preparation time offseason prep,
in season prep, and then now that just goes away
and changes to playing someone that you have no real

(01:01:25):
knowledge about. You're just basically, in essence, exchanging film and
trying to prepare for that week. As a football purist,
I don't like it. Yeah, I mean, it is what
it is. But it will be interesting to see how
this whole rankings work out. By the way it never understood.
You remember the first year they had the playoff and
they said, all right, the idea is we're gonna have
this committee at the end of the year gonna decide

(01:01:47):
which four teams are gonna be in the playoffs. I thought,
all right, we'll see how that works. And all of
a sudden, like in the middle of the other they
started having rankings. I'm like, what is this? What happened here?
And I remember specifically that very first week because Clemson,
uh was number one in their rankings when they weren't
number one in the pulse, And I'm like, what happened here?
And then ESPN right out of the ranking show said,

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and don't forget this week number one Clemson taken on.
I'm like, oh, I see, it's a nice marketing tool.
Genius genius out there, all right, when the guy go
Fox Sports Radio studios. On the other side, we'll get
a Heisman update. But let's find out what's trending right now.
Is DA's got By the way, do you hear about
tomorrow yas going about the food that's being brought in

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or does he know about this? Sam? Has he been
in the loose? He was on the text threat. I
never heard back from me, Dave. What kind of pizza
you want? Oh man, I'll look at the options to
get back to me. You don't need to hash this
out of the wait and see. Steve, are you gonna
include Carson Strong and Romeo Dubs in your Heisman Trophy?
You will get the full update coming up here in
just a matter of minutes. I'm most people are not

(01:02:55):
aware of Romeo Doubs, but he's been lighting up the
mountainless by the touchdowns and game This Nevada San Diego
State game, which is essentially replacing a canceled SEC games. Um, yeah,
we'll get into that a little bit later on. It's
gonna be a really good yeah, really good game. Um
talking about games, guys, Ohio State, they've gotten things right,
especially in the third quarter. Deld with the ball in

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his hands, looks to throw tosses into the end zone.
Wilson's got it for the score. Kine yard pass play
justin fields to Garrett Wilson, the second time they've hooked
up for a passing TV Buckey's lead right now thirty
five fourteen. They got lucky two justin fields moments ago
through his third I m t the ball game. The
safety for Indiana returned it down to the twenty yard

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line and got stripped, and it gave the ball right
back to o'house state. They did have to punt it.
But now India's gonna go the full length of the field.
Down by twenty one points. Number six Florida they're taking apart. Now, Vanderbilt,
here's the snap back to trash keep back pedals. He looks,
he looks. He throws the ball up down the field,
deep port the goal line. It's gonna be caught. It's
a touchdown. How much right Grimes extending all that six

(01:04:02):
ft fort frame high? This guy. You know. They were
down ten seven for quite a bit, but now the
thirty one at ten tracks twenty nine for three seventeen
and also three scores. Coastal Carolina finally has the lead.
They lead appalach In State twenty one to twenty. Appleach
And State six and one this year, but Coastal Carolina
is seven and oh and ranked fifteen in the nation.

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Memphis fourteen over Stephen F. Austin, Georgia. Southern is beaten
up on Army one l s U twenty fourteen at
Arkansas a couple of games about to get under way.
You guys have mentioned b y U number seven Cincinna
and Central Florida, Wisconsin and Northwestern Both those teams were undefeated.
The Cats right now are four and oh this season.

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And then Steve's baby Bruins of U c l A
up in Eugene and get Oregon. That kickoff time will
be at three thirty out there starting quarterback. By the way,
that's awful. Do we even know all he did was
tweet out that he doesn't have COVID right, it happened there.
Thompson Robinson is out for this makes it it's it's

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absolutely brutal. That's yeah, that's unfortunate, guys. Quick notes in
the NBA Gordon Hayward making his way from Boston to
Charlotte four year deal worth a hundred and twenty million dollars,
and Fred Van Fleet will get a fourty year deal
with eight five million dollars to stay north of the
border with the Raptors. Of course they're playing in Tampa
in one how about that? I I love this Gavin

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and I just just mentioned he was out of this game.
We don't have a reason why Dorian Thompson Robinson. I
thought you were questioning, uh if he was No, I
already announced that he was out, but he said COVID.
But we don't even have a reason why he's out
of this game against Oregon, which seems bizarre. Um, thank
you very much, David. Once again, we're comedy of life

(01:05:49):
from the guy. Go Fox Sports Radio Studios. Easy to say,
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only hard part figuring out which way is easier. It
was his twenty first birthday this week. Wow, so that
maybe he was exposed. How about a contact, you know,

(01:06:11):
contact Treas Wow. I don't know. He did say on
his own Twitter account he's disappointed he can't play in
this game. That's a slightly significant thing. When you're a
sixteen point dog on the road against the Ducks. To
have your quarterback out of the game doesn't bode well
for my bruins. All right, it's that time, updates, updates, alright,

(01:06:34):
So LaVar, it's official now. The Heisman Trust has moved
back the voting deadline to December one, so all of
the conference championship games will have been played, so it's
it's like a normal year, just everything was moved back
a couple of weeks. I'll actually announced the finalist on
Christmas Eve. Christmas Eve will be the day that they

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announced the finalist on that Thursday. So each week I
liked to update you know where I stand, and again
has nothing to do with today's games. It's through last week.
Here is my current number three. Zach playfake five step drop.
He throws on the in direction, out of touchdown catch
for Rex. He goes down and in and in for

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six Isaac Rex in the end zone and the Cougars
extend the lead to twenty nine to three. Second touchdown
catch of the night for Isaac Rex, sixth of his season.
B y U Sports Radio Network. Zack Wilson still in
my top three there eight No, He's completed seventy of
his passes, twenty two touchdowns, only two picks. Zach Wilson

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b y U Quarterback is my current number three. Here
is my current number two. Trash drops back, looks, looks,
lobs the ball toward the ends on and it's ka Zupper.
He's got clipper head touchdown pass for Trash. He's got
five of them, Mike Hubert from Learfield I AMZ College.

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Kyle Trash is cracked my top three completion rate a
nation leading twenty eight touchdown passes against only three picks.
Kyle Trash, Florida quarterback is my number two. Here is
my current number one on the first in town looks

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he's caught it touchdown left shoe. Matt Jones, Alabama quarterback,
the ranked number one. They're undefeated. He has completed seventy
nine of his passes, sixteen touchdowns and only two picks.
Now dropping out of my top three this week, and
he was my number one the last two weeks. Justin

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fields because they didn't play last week. Um, they had
their game canceled. Now that doesn't mean he can't rebound
with a big win today against Indiana. And obviously for
Trevor Lawrence, you know he missed two games. He was
ready to play today that game was canceled or postponed
and so yes, Sam, what he got for us? What's

(01:09:02):
going on? Well? I was gonna say that he took
Justin Fields off because he didn't play, but Alabama and
Mac Jones haven't even played since halliween, now I know that.
But Zack Wilson's been off for a few weeks too.
I believe just with a bye week, with a bye
week exactly. I mean it's I mean, look it, it's
it's musical chairs. Ultimately, the only thing that matters at
the end is, you know, when the whole season played out.

(01:09:23):
I don't fill up my ballot whoever had the best season. Um,
But that's where we are right now, LaVar. As far
as trying to sort of figure out who's the best
college football quarterback I got in the country, I gotta
be honest with you, if if Penix wins this game today,
he's got to shoot to the top of the board. Assessment, Oh,

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He's got he has to. He has to shoot to
the top of the board. And I gotta be honest
with you. The way Justin Fields is playing right now,
I know he's throwing the ball away and that you know,
in a lot of cases, we we talked about Russell
Wilson throwing away the MVP opportunity by throwing all those
interceptions in that that last game, um, the game before this,

(01:10:06):
this past game. But uh, I think he's thrown too many,
too many interceptions right now. He has three today he
came into the game with zero but I think he's
playing well enough to offset those turnovers. But I think
Panics is playing well enough for them to actually possibly

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try to win this game. If they're able to win
against Ohio State, I just think it changes everything. Well,
I mean, this game was thirty five to seven Buckeyes
early in the second half. It's now one. A couple
of touchdown passes by Panics. I mean, the quarterback comparison
today is not even close. Panics is seventeen and twenty

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one yards, three touchdowns, no picks. Fields is fifteen and
twenty three to fifty six, two touchdowns and three picks. So,
I mean it's not even close. Pen Next has been
the better quarterback today. Uh. And the big difference in
this game is Ohio State has run for two hundred
and fourteen yards. Indiana has negative five yards rushing in

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this game. So but they're, like you said, they're still
in this game. Quietly, Panics has been the most valuable
football player to any team in the country thus far.
All right, well that's interesting now you say most valuable.
I mean, how do you interpret the Heisman Trolph and
when says the best college football player, is that the

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most valuable college football player in the country. I think
you would agree with think. I don't think the best
player always wins the hisman, Okay, so generally speaking, I
would say it it crosses barriers, right like it crosses lane.
Some years, the best player wins the hisman. Some years
the most valuable player to their team wins highes right,

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I mean absolutely, And if you go all the way
back way back in history, it's been the exact same
way over the years where he writes, and really that's
the way it is a Major League Baseball when they
have an m v P award, sometimes it goes to
the best player, you know, like Mike Trout wins with
an Angel team with a losing Rutger because he was
the best player. And then other years you get a
guy that was, oh wow, he was sort of a
spark plug for a team that came out of nowhere

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um to have a really successful season. So so we
stand right now as far as the Heisman is concerned.
But again I mean, by the way, for Trevor Lawrence
right now, who now will miss a third consecutive game
too with the COVID, and now because the game was
just postponed. Um, is is there really any reason for

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Trevor Lawrence to continue this season? A guy that will
be the number one pick in the NFL draft next year?
Is there any reason to risk injury? Which is a
risk anytime you walk on a football field. We saw
what happened to a tongue of volta last year. Um,
is there any reason really for him to be out there?
I mean, if you were advising him him, would you say, look,

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you know what, you won a national championship, You've had
a great college career. You're lost number one pick he
lost when he lost last year is the only loss
of his career that he's ever been on the fielding.
I think as long as they're eligible to compete for
the national title, he will probably stay in the in
in the mix of wanting to play. Yeah, I think

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if they lose that opportunity to play for a national championship,
it would not be wise for him to return. Well,
I mean the most likely Clemson will run out until
at least the Notre Dame game, and then you know
after that, if they lose that game, yeah, he's not
gonna If he's not in the playoff, then he's certainly
gonna sit out those bowl games. Do you get are
you are you okay with guys sitting out bowl games

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which has become a norm in recent years, and hadn't
like the playoff? And how do you feel about that
has become a norm. And it's interesting because I was
faced with that same scenario when I was in my
last year's school. Um, knowing that I was a on
the five top draft pick, um if barring anything messing up,
you know, during the course of before then the off

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season and the draft, and I had a lot of
people asking me was I going to play because I
had injured my shoulder in the Michigan game. Um, I
had hit a train in in the hole and my
shoulder might still be on Beaver Stadium field right now
to this day. It was such a hard hit. UM,

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So I don't even think my shoulder was ever the
same after that. But I missed. I kind of missed
the Michigan State game. I dressed, but I kind of
missed it. I didn't play because I couldn't lift my
arm up, and everybody was asking, you know, are you
gonna opt out of playing in your bowl game? There's
no reason for you to play in it, and I
don't know. Again, it goes back to our earlier conversation

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of why Florida State is struggling. My mindset was, I
have everything to gain, everything to prove, because my reputation
is staked on how how I finished out, if this
is indeed my last game, because I was a junior,
so I wanted to play. I was healthy, I felt good,

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and I wanted to go up against They had uh
the running back tombs UM they had, they had a
a really really big physical team to say and them
did that nine year. I wanted to show what my
capabilities were. So I played, And it never was really

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a second guest or a third guest, as that if
I should want to play, if I should take this
opportunity to play UM. But I think that's very different now.
I think the mindset of guys these days is very different.
I think the exposure level is very different. I can't
even imagine what my exposure would be if I had

(01:15:59):
the career or I had in college with today's technology,
I don't know what what my mindset would be UM
going into that moment of time. So it's a hard
question to answer at this point. Because you need film,
you need exposure. You want to have that reputation, you

(01:16:19):
want to have the uh kind of the built in
trust going into being evaluated by these proteins that you're
going to be available. You know, they said the best
ability is availability, right, So I think you run the
risk of of turning some people off by opting out
of playing in a bowl game if you've played the season.

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But at the same time, I don't know that it
hurts you if you're a top rated, top rated prospect
coming out. Yeah, I would say in the case of
Trevor Lawrence, even if he were to announce like today
coming home from a game that wasn't played against Florida's state,
I've had it. Uh. It is not going to change
his draft status, that is for sure. All Right, we're
in the guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios. On the

(01:17:03):
other side, we're gonna get into one of the big
games in the NFL tomorrow, and the big question in
this game will be can it happen again? We'll break
it down coming up, snap back to trash, trash, backpeddling, looking,
looking throws to the end zone. He's got a receiver
taught touch dot tight end come Alary Gamble and trask

(01:17:25):
Us throwing another touchdown trance, his third of the game.
Mick Hubert from Learfield I MG College. I gave Florida
thirteen leader for Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt his scored. So it's thirty
one seventeen. We're coming to alive from the guy go
Fox Sports Radio Studios. Kyle Trash really is an amazing
story when you think about at LaVar, he was a

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guy who didn't even start in high school. He was
a backup quarterback in high school. His teenor year he
was a backup quarterback. And he goes to Florida. He's
red shirted a year and get into a single game
as a red shirt freshman, has a red shirt sophomore.
He played in three games through twenty two passes. Last year,

(01:18:07):
in his fourth year at Florida, he finally got into
the starting lineup. Now is a fifth year guy. Um.
He is now just one touchdown pass short of tying
the all time record for most touchdown passes in the
first seven games of a season. So, well, you talk
about a guy who paid his dues. Kyle trask Uh

(01:18:28):
the he's a big kid. He's six five pounds I mean,
is this guy an NFL prospect who came from such
humble beginnings? What do you what are you seeing this guy?
You know, a lot of bust that rest in Kenton
have beginnings like what you're speaking of right now. Yeah.
So you know, it's not a given that you have

(01:18:49):
to play the sport your entire life to be a
great one. It's not a given that you you need
to have a high school career and reputation. It just
comes down to your ability to retain and understand what
it is that you're doing with the position that you're playing.
How it applies to the total whole of the schematics

(01:19:12):
of of you know, the team you're playing on, and
the success that you're able to have during that course
in time. And we talked about this as it applied
to being considered an all time great in college. It
only takes one season to be, you know, placed in
the ranks of all time, Joe Brow I would say

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to Sam, I would not say too. And the reason
why I wouldn't say too is because it doesn't take
two years to be able to win a Heisman. No,
it doesn't. You only have to have a great year.
Joe example, Um, speaking of guy that has had more
than one good year, that would be Patrick Mahomes. You
know that this year it's interesting all this m v
P talk. We talked about Russell Wilson, We've you know,
there's been all this m v P talk. Now Kyler

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Murray before they lost in Seattle after the big hail,
Mary Pat asked, you know, um, how about these numbers, Mahomes.
This year's twenty five touchdowns, one pick on an eight
and one Chiefs team. But that one loss, LaVar was
at home against a Raider team that, at least that day,

(01:20:17):
was the better team. They were the best. That wasn't
a fluke. You know, the Raiders came out in that
second half. Derek Carr too, rugs big touchdown. The Raiders
are the better team that day. Now, tomorrow night the
Raiders will host the Chiefs. The Raiders are six and
three right now, they've won three in a row. Can
they do it again? Yes? They can't do it again?

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Uh again? Inner rival in their interdivisional matchups always provide
the best, the best games because of the familiarity. But
it doesn't matter how good you are, it's they're familiar
with one another. So there's not going to be any
type of you know, scary business or we're not going

(01:21:00):
to perform like you're familiar. You're gonna play them hard.
They're gonna play you hard, and you're gonna see who wins.
They certainly have a chance to do it again. Yeah,
I mean, and by the way, Gavin, Mr Gambler, they're
eight and a half point favorites on the road the Chiefs.
You got one second to make up, all right? We
got more college football on a Saturday coming up next,

(01:21:22):
Another busy Saturday in the college football world. Harton and
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biggest story of the day in college football is not
a game going on. It's a game that did not

(01:21:43):
happen today. That would be number four Clemson on the
road against Florida State, expecting the return of Trevor Lawrence
and did not happen. The game was postponed when a
Clemson player tested positive this morning for COVID nineteen. So
Clemson goes home Florida State breeze, a sigh of relief,
uh two and six on the season and a rough

(01:22:05):
here for Florida's state. But Clemson uh and Florida's state.
We'll see if they can actually reschedule the game. Number
five A and M LaVar I was supposed to host
Ole Miss. That game was postponed. Number twelve Miami hosting
Georgia Tech didn't happen today. Marshall against Charlotte didn't happen.
Texas on the road against Kansas didn't happen. Um. So

(01:22:25):
this is this has been the story week after week
after week in college football, and we've just had to
make do with this. I mean, you know it's I
would imagine at some point, you know, not that you
ever wish Ill will on any franchise, but probably you
never wanted this season to start for your Penn State team.
The way this thing is played out at oh and four,

(01:22:46):
you know what I know now? I mean, wow, we
could have took this year off. Is it true? Wait? Wait, wait,
we have taken this year off. You have taken this
year off? Is this any reflection on James Franklin as
a coach? I can't I can't. I can't allow my
personal feelings to have me answer that question any differently.

(01:23:10):
I still have to do my job first, right, everybody
has to do if if you're doing your job the
way you're supposed to do your job, you gotta do
your job first. I'm not going to sacrifice my professional
uh integrity, and and reputation by saying he's not held
accountable for an O and four start. He's the head

(01:23:31):
coach we went and I wouldn't say he wasn't he's
not held accountable for getting that six year extension that
paid him, uh quite a pretty penny, you know. So
what's good for the goose is is most certainly good
for the gander. Yeah, and the argument that, well, this
has been a weird year. It's a weird year for everybody.

(01:23:53):
In fact, you know, I I I really marvel. I mean,
just take a think about Clemson today, right, dabl sweeney,
Um your head down to Tallahassee. You're ready to get
ready for the game, and then day of get a
positive test. You're going home. So you spent the entire
week getting your team ready for this game. As a

(01:24:13):
coaching staff, getting your players in the right frame of
mind for the game, it's game day, and then they
pull the plug. I mean, you talk about I can
only imagine. I mean, I mean, look, you you've obviously played,
you've been coaching. I mean from a coaching standpoint. I mean,

(01:24:34):
always talk about players standpoint, especially young players. I mean
they're a little more resilient. I would imagine being young,
but not. But what about coaching. I mean, you put
all this effort, you get a game plan together, you're
ready to roll, and you get your team ready mentally,
physically for the game, and then they pull the plug
and now all of a sudden, you gotta get ready

(01:24:55):
for the next game, and especially the way this is
played out. Sure, there's no guarantee. Remember Houston had their
first three games postponed this year. They had three straight
weeks where it happened. How do you prepare and how
do you restart players after you had them all rebbed up,
ready to go. I mean, let's put your coaches hat on.

(01:25:18):
How do you handle this? It's it's very difficult. You
you have to maintain the same approach in the same
process because you don't want to turn this into a
an environment of so much, so much uncertainty. And and
so much of a uh A deviating from the norm

(01:25:40):
that you can't recover from it. So as a coach,
I would I would tell I would challenge my guys
to challenge themselves and us as coaches, to be accountable
to one another to maintain the same approach. Um, we
all know that that success comes in positive, consistent preparation.

(01:26:05):
Perfect preparation. It's not just preparing, it's not just being consistent.
It's got to be perfect preparation and and perfect consistency.
Even within the shortcomings of it, you still have to
be preparing as if you're trying to to play the
perfect game. And the biggest, the biggest challenge for coaches

(01:26:30):
and players are to prepare at that level day in
and day out, weekend and week out. And when you
prepare that way and then your game is canceled and
you've already flown there, that's that is difficult. That's difficult
to adjust to. It happens more than once in consecutive weeks.

(01:26:51):
It's more difficult to conceptualize what's taking place. And then
to go through a bloody Tuesday as as we called
it when I played uh which probably isn't the same anymore.
But you know, Tuesday's are the worst practices, They're the longest,
they're the most grueling and most challenging practices that you're

(01:27:14):
gonna have during the week. Wednesdays aren't far off, um,
they're up there. So to have gone through two or
three Tuesday and Wednesdays with no games, this just it
just creates a level of uncertainty that really you could
you could attribute low, low morale and and low focus

(01:27:37):
to them, you know, having a poor show and once
they get an opportunity to play, Yeah, you know it's
I was talking to a guy that is involved in, uh,
the gambling establishment, and I was asking him if there
was any pattern about teams that are coming off a
canceled game how they are faring in their next game.

(01:27:59):
And he said, you know, early in the year, it
seemed to be a benefit. And then let's go back
to last week. So you had Cal whose first game
was canceled against Washington. Then they find out their game
against Arizona State have been canceled, and then immediately they
agreed to play, agree to play U c l A,
who was not on their schedule. Two days later and

(01:28:23):
Cal came in with a little hype. In fact, Cal
was a two and a half point favorite at the
Rose Bowl against the u c l A team that
looked awful in their first game against Colorado. So what happened?
U c l A blew the doors off thirty four
to ten U c l A. So what happened there?
Was it that you know Cal is you know hadn't

(01:28:44):
played a game. I mean, I'll put an example. Utah
has not played a game yet. They are hosting USC today. Now,
USC Clay Helen's got good fortune on his side. I mean,
the way they've won those first two games against Arizona
State in Arizona where the ball just seems to be
bouncing their way at the end of those games, has

(01:29:05):
been extremely fortunate. Up with two and o's two and oh,
but you got Utah at home. And by the way,
I believe in the last seven games in this series
between SC and Utah, the home team is one. So
when you look at that matchup USC on the road
too and oh against the Utah team that hasn't played
a game yet, how do you see a matchup and

(01:29:27):
the mentality of these two teams. Is Utah just chopping
at the bed? I mean they're fresh, they haven't played
a game yet. Um or is the advantage to USC
that even though they haven't played great and figured out
a way to pull out a couple of games. How
would you sort of you know, I don't know, look
at a game like that, we're uh, you know, O

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N O Utah team hosts two and O USC. The
team that has more gang reps has the advantage even
if they're losing. They had the advantage because they have
game reps. So they will be playing out a different
speed than Utah, just because you cannot simulate game reps
without a game, so they will be Now, what I

(01:30:12):
will say is is if Utah is able to be
a much better team than them in this game, that's
because they were just a much better team. You're gonna
see that play out if that's the case. But the
advantage has to easily go go the way of the
Trojans because they've gotten real game reps, real game planning,

(01:30:34):
real game execution, everything that's connected to the approach of
the game. Week. Um they have the advantage. Yeah, it's
gonna be interesting. There By the way, Indiana's back in
this game again. This has been a crazy game, so
Ohio State was seven seven early, Ohio State starts blowing

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them out. They scored touchdown right as the start of
the second half to go up thirty five to seven.
Indiana then got two quick scores to get back in it,
and then Ohio State misses a field goals. Indiana's got
the ball down fourteen and Panics throws a pick six.
But now he's come back with his fourth touchdown pass
of the game. Panics, by the way, has four hundred

(01:31:17):
and seven yards passing in this game against Ohio State.
I mean this, this kid is definitely playing great. Right now.
Ohio State had a big kickoff return that was nullified
due to a holding call. So we still got eleven
minutes to go on this game, Ohio State leading forty
two to I mean, we talk a lot about we

(01:31:38):
talk a lot about Panics in India. Are we seeing
because we we always look at Ohio State carried Let's
not get exactly where you about to go. Well, I'm
asking you, is Ohio State maybe a little overrated or
I mean, I know they're loaded with talent and it's
like ridiculous. Okay, So this is more about in Indiana

(01:32:00):
being better than a lot of people give them credit
for beating absolutely got to give them their propers and
and interestingly enough, some some very critical mistakes during the
course of this game. That interception by Indiana that's fumbled
in the rid zone of of Ohio State. This this

(01:32:20):
game might be a one one touchdown game, and then
you had to pick six. So you have, I mean,
some really really major mistakes that are costing them and
they're still in the game. Look at this. Ohio State
has two hundred sixty three yards passing two hundred and
sixty six yards rushing. Okay, that's pretty good balance right there.
Indiana has four hundred and seven yards passing negative five rushing.

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That's not good balance. Okay, I'm just I'm I'm looking
at him like I'm doing the numbers crunch. That doesn't
look like good balance in your office, I agree, But
that in that only makes what Panics is doing even
more remarkable. Is that they have zero, I mean zero
running game against Ohio State. There's a time out right now,
eleven minutes to go in the fourth quarter. Will continue

(01:33:06):
update to you on that game, all right, when the
guy go Fox Sports Radio Studios. There was a scheduling
change today in college football. The may benefit two teams
that you haven't seen. Oh yeah, you haven't seen these
teams all season long. We'll tell you about that game
coming up next. Panic takes the staff, he steps up,

(01:33:31):
he firest out field this frifogal chart flying this throne
a time. Frifocal takes it to the end zone. Touched down. Unbelievable. Wow,
Don Fisher Liarfield, I MG college. We were just talking
about this game. And now what Indiana fifty six yard

(01:33:51):
touchdown past Panics to frive Ogle it is forty five
now Ohio State Panics five touchdown past, so they game
fourth in the second half is four hundred seventy seven
yards passing five touchdowns and there's still ten and a
half minutes ago. So we very much have a game

(01:34:13):
going on right now at the shoe. Ohio State trying
to hang on. Now. This was thirty five to seven
three minutes into the second half and Indiana scored four touchdowns.
And by the way, the only score for Ohio State
in the second half after that first touchdown was to
pick six. So that's it. I'm telling you. Stay tuned,

(01:34:37):
Stay tuned. My Heisman update next if they overcome if
they were to win this game down thirty five to
second and a half time, first of all in the
second early in the second, it's one of the greatest
comebacks in history. Um, but this, if you weren't sure
about Michael Penox Jr. Forget it. Forty seventy seven yards
five touchdowns on the row against Ohio State. He doesn't

(01:35:02):
have a pretty ball either. It's not the prettiest deal,
but he's just effective. You know, his confidence level and
and his understanding of the game is really high. You
can tell he's got a real high i Q. But
he's also a fearless competitor. And I saw that against
US I saw last year. I just you know, I

(01:35:23):
think I think he is under underrated, and I kept
wondering is he the real deal? And he continues to
have the same results weekend and week out. There is
a game that is gonna be on today and it's
got the lead crew of CBS. Okay, so when thinking
about CBS college football coverage, you think SEC and they

(01:35:46):
had a game that was canceled, so they decided instead
of an SCC game. Brad Nessler, Gary Danielson, their top
team is heading to Reno Nevada today in a game
that's gonna be kicking off in less than ten minutes
as Nevada undefeated will be taken on San Diego State.
UM and Nevada's quarterback is Carson Strong. Now, if you

(01:36:10):
don't know about this guy, Carson Strong, he is putting
up some mind boggling numbers already this year San Diego State.
Of course, Brady Hoke taken over for Rocky Long as
the head coach. They stumbled against San Jose State. But
how about these numbers. San Diego State is fourth in
the nation and rushing offense. They have a running back
named Greg Bell who's had at least a hundred yards

(01:36:31):
rushing in every game. Their defense is just lights out.
They are second in the nation and total defense, third
in the nation in passing defense. Going against the number
two passing offense in Nevada, I mean, what does it
mean for schools like Nevada and San Diego State. We've
got some pretty good players on these teams. To get
this opportunity to get the spotlight on CBS with their

(01:36:55):
lead broadcasting crew and again kicking off in less than
ten minutes gets a great, great thing for both teams.
I think it's a great, great thing for college college football.
I mean, if you know about San Diego State, you
know about the Aztecs, there have been some really, really
awesome players. I can recall being influenced in the way

(01:37:16):
I played my game and wore my uniform because of
martial foulks. So, uh, there's there's some tradition and there's
some history connected to those those teams. Uh, so for
them to have an opportunity, a lot of teams, you know,
I we saw Liberty take on Virginia check. We're seeing
like you know, Coastal Carolina. We're we're seeing some some

(01:37:36):
pretty good teams out there that have been pretty good
for for years, UM, that are getting opportunities to get
some national, national exposure on on television. So under the circumstances,
it's pretty cool to be able to see some of
these teams that you hear so much about in the news,
but you don't really get a chance to see them play.
UM have these opportunities. Yeah, so that game will kick up.

(01:38:00):
By the way, b y U has jumped on North
Alabama early as Zach Wilson has Sony had another touchdown pass,
so number eight B y looking to go nine and
oh and again they don't have another game scheduled after
today until December twelve against San Diego State, so they're
trying to get some of their work done. I have
yet to get an answer from you about the situation

(01:38:24):
with Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. UH. Last week taken on Wisconsin,
they were down twenty seven nothing and a halftime. That
was the biggest was that twenty seven nothing was more
than whatever their halftime deficit was. Was the biggest halftime
deficit at home for Michigan ever since they opened Michigan

(01:38:48):
Stadium back in ninety seven. They just are They are
not competitive right now. What do you what do you think?
Do you think Michigan is going to hang on to
Jim are bomb? They're gonna buy him out? I mean,
why is he having so much trouble in Michigan? It
was twenty eight nothing in a halftime. It also was

(01:39:09):
their biggest home lost final margin was what eleven UH
since n UM. So, what do you make of the
hard bus situation? Why hasn't it worked? And what do
you think they're gonna do with him? I don't I
don't know what they're gonna do with them. I think
it's hard to get rid of such a quality coach,

(01:39:32):
even though he's not getting the results that you're looking for. Uh,
but he's one of those guys where he has had
the time to to build the program and build a winner.
These are his players, now, these are his players. You
have no reason not to be more competitive than what
they are right now. So I would have to assume

(01:39:55):
that his his clock is has started to tick, and
the based upon the success or failures of the rest
of the season will dictate if he if he's back
or not. I think he's definitely hot enough on the
seat where depending on how they finished out, could dictate
if he's back or not. Now, I mean when you

(01:40:16):
look at his record, this is his sixth season, and
the previous five years they have not been in the
Big Ten championship game. They've lost all five years to
a highest date, they've lost four straight bowl games. Um,
and now they're sitting at one in three and in
the last two weeks they just have absolutely crushed. So,
I don't know, it's it's weird. Do you think there's

(01:40:39):
a home for him back in the NFL? Could you
see a scenario where an NFL team reaches out and
brings him in. I mean, let me, let me give
you an example, like the Cincinnati Bengals. I mean, with
the Bengals with the young quarterbacks, saying, hey, we have
an opportunity to bring in a guy like Jim Hardball,

(01:41:00):
who had obviously success with the forty Niners. Would that
be a good fit for this guy. It's possible. Listen,
some coaches are built for college. Some coaches are built
for for pros. And you know, you look at Nick Saban.
He had some success, some good success at the pro level,

(01:41:21):
but he's built for college, you know. So it may be, uh,
it may be a situation where Hardball is just better
suited coaching adults and you know, working with teams that
have salary caps and and it just being business versus
it being a you know, a college where there has
to be more feelings and emotions invested into these these

(01:41:46):
young men. So it's possible he could end up back
on the NFL scene. But I will also say that
there are a lot of qualified coaches that are in
the pro ranks right now that you would have to
assume they're going to get first looks before a failing
coach from a college level, right, and and he did

(01:42:08):
seem to be the guy that was good anywhere. I mean,
he started at University of San Diego, of course his
father being a coach. What he did at Stanford was
absolutely remarkable. What he did at Stanford completely flipping around
that program. Uh. And then he does it obviously with
the forty niners. But the biggest problem there is quarterback.
I mean, you know, you have Joe Milton, who had

(01:42:28):
been in the program for a couple of years. He
gets an opportunity this year to become the starting quarterbacks.
So you feel like, all right, he knows the system.
He was recruited big kids six five to forty, he's
got he looks like he would be a really any guy,
just hasn't done anything this year. Big Big ten is
a different animal than the pack twelve. And as far

(01:42:50):
as him having success at the pro level, uh, you
can't take anything away from that. You can't take anything
away from that accomplishment. But the only thing you can't
say is he's been removed from the game for quite
some time, and you can't assume that him failing at
at Michigan would would still equate to him coming back

(01:43:10):
after all this time and being successful um at the
pro level, so that that that's a big question mark.
All right. Now we're looking at Ohio State driving down
the field. We're about the five minute mark. Justin Fields
kept it on third and short inside the ten yard
line would stop, so they have a fourth and one
right now. Clock is ticking, So we'll see what Ohio

(01:43:31):
State does. Will they go for the field goal to
extend the lead to ten or will they go for
the first down? Where in the guy go? Fox Sports
Radio Studios. Let's find out what's trending right now as
we welcome back David Gascon. It's all hyped up for
Nevada Sandy Use State. Hello, I'm actually counting curious what

(01:43:52):
is gonna do today too? They got Oregon here in
about five minutes without their quarterback. Justin Fields just threw
the ball away in completely. He wasn't on the ball away,
he was getting hit. He went down and wow, Indiana's
going to get the ball back on fourth down and one.
I'm mad that that my TV is on delay, but

(01:44:13):
oh I'm sorry we've spoiled it for you. Well Fields,
it was they went for it on fourth and one.
He looked like he was doing a little rollout and
he was getting hit and he threw the ball and
sailed over the receiver's head. So there you go. Is
this Steve, I'm just doing commentary right now. I'm just

(01:44:35):
talking about I'm watching because I'm watching the replay. I'm
We're ahead of you, so superr. Come on, tell you
guys how we got there too. Takes the staff, he
steps up, keep firest out field. This Friegal flying this
throw a time foal takes it to the end zone touched. Unbelievable, guys,

(01:44:58):
This is a quite a ball game. And of worse,
Indiana down right now. Five Michael Pennox Jr. On the
day Fellas Lavarre, you mentioned him being thrown into the
Heisman Trophy dogpiled and even in a loss, if they
do lose this game, check out his figures so far
forty two, four, seventy seven and five touchdowns. Now the

(01:45:20):
one I n t hurt because it was a pick six,
but nevertheless five touchdowns the one I n t. They
do have the football, all three time outs remaining, and
all the action is available, and they will go for
two points, go for the win. Wow. See what happens.
They can't stop him though. The Indiana is about the

(01:45:41):
wind is game. They got a long way to go
on this track. They cannot stop their offense right now.
I don't know, guys. Number six Florida just took a part.
Vanderbilt seventeen. Vanderbilts now and seven on the year. Coastal
Carolina just gotta pick six. They'll steal things up there
to improve to eight. No. They lead appalach In State

(01:46:02):
thirty three. There's about eighty seconds to play in regulation.
L s U leads at Arkansas twenty four. Razorbacks had
the football at the Tigers forty six yard line with
a minute fifty five to play in regulation. B y
U eighth ranked in the nation at a perfect eight note,
leads North Alabama seven to nothing. Cincinnati seventh ranth the

(01:46:23):
nation is at Central Florida. They'll kick off in a
couple of minutes from now. From now, also Wisconsin, Northwestern
Usually and Oregon. In the National Football League, Joe Mixon
has been placed on I R but the Bengals he'll
be out for at least three weeks. Same thing with
the Titans and Jadeveon Clowney. Patriots have activated tailback, so
Nay Michelle offered off of injured reserve fellas closing minutes.

(01:46:45):
Back to you, all right, David, thank you very much.
Once again, we're coming to live from the guy go
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only hard part figuring out which way is easier. All right.
In the end, had a third and ten and and
Penics just got sacked. So they're they're miles away right now.

(01:47:07):
The clock is running inside four minutes. Now they have
a fourth and long and they are going to kick.
So just like that, Indiana, Ohio State showed up defensively
and Indiana obviously has to pump right now, big stop.
So so fourth down for Indiana, about three forty to
go in the fourth quarter. They will punt, and now

(01:47:31):
obviously they're gonna have to Okay, here's the punt right now.
They get the punt off, and it's not a great punt.
Maybe he gets a role, does get a role, all right,
So this ball is going to be down inside the
third between the thirty and thirty five yard line. Ohio
State will start there. There is three ten to go
in the fourth quarter of Buckeyes leading into this game

(01:47:53):
forty two, two thirty five. Um I would agree with
David Gascon as a Heisman voter. Panos is absolutely in
the mixed whether they win or lose this game. Yards,
five touchdowns. Ironically, he has one pick, and right now
that one pick is the difference in the game. Yeah,
that's that's unfortunate fields. By the way, eighteen thirty yards,

(01:48:16):
two touchdowns. But he threw three interceptions in this game
for a guy who, by the way, last year going
into the playoffs, had one interception, had forty touchdowns, a
one pick last year before their playoff game, and this
year he had no picks. So for Indiana to pickoff
fields three times in a game, it's it's never happened

(01:48:37):
obviously in his entire college career. Best Indiana quarterback to
hit the NFL, Steve, do you have a Trent Green?
Maybe Trent Green was a good quarterback, had a couple
of good years. Yeah, that's it's it's a limited. Yeah,
the Indiana just player list as far as impact of

(01:48:58):
the NFL is limited. Put it that way. Um So
We're gonna keep our eye on this game. Uh as
by the way, uh, Big Tan is a busy, busy
conference today, battle of unbeaten's today. What do you think
Northwestern four? Note taking on Wisconsin. You give the Wildcats
a chance in that game? Yes? Wow, I think they're

(01:49:18):
the best coach team outside Ohio State and and the
Big Ten PA fitz serial has been doing it for
a while. Yeah. Very well coached team, very very well
ran outfit. Yeah, I'll kick past Fitzderyl fan. What what
do you think the odds? If I had gotten odds
before the season that after four games Northwestern be four

(01:49:40):
and oh and Penn State would be owen four if
I had if I had tried to work that parlay,
no way, yeah, no way. Anybody would have took that back.
It's one of those you're like, you throw it out
there and say, well kind of odds with you? Gamroy
is good on these odds? What would they have given
you on that one? To uh make a preseason bed.
I mean, I'm gonna do a part I'm gonna do

(01:50:01):
Northwestern will be four and oh and Penn State will
be oh and four. I mean that would be like
by the way, I did do all I've bet. I
waited for Ohio State to be favored by only seven
and a half. Yes, but now we're approaching two minutes
and uh, they're only by seven. I don't know if
I'm gonna get the kick or anything. Alright, well State,

(01:50:22):
we got to fifty to go right now in the
fourth quarter. They're gonna pull it out, but I don't
I'm not confident that they're gonna pull it out. But
they're going to. Wait, say they're going to I was
gonna say, you said, I'm not confident, but they're gonna
pull this out. Yeah, I'm not calling it. Sounds confident
that you said that. I think they will pull it out,
but I'm not confident that they will. All Right, Well,

(01:50:44):
here it is. It's third and four right now. We
got to twenty five to go in the fourth quarter.
So this is it Ohio State. If they get a
first down, obviously they can run a lot more clocks.
A third and four there at their own thirty eight
yard line, they're gonna run the ball all and they
get the first down just like that. So that is it.

(01:51:05):
That's the game. Was that was that tig Was that
our guy Tigu probably Mastertigue hundred seventy two yards who
touchdowns on the day. So Indiana has a couple of
time outs, but the clock is running now to ten
two oh eight. Here we go iiO State with a
first down, so at some point they're gonna have to
stop this clock. Uh, Indiana if they want to get

(01:51:28):
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this game has been an amazing matchup, a game that

(01:51:48):
had some intrigue early, h no longer does as expected,
Florida blowing out Vanderbilt, whereas Vanderbilt came in into this
game winless insurance, right yeah, thirty eight to seven team
final score. Florida moves to six and one on the season.
Kyle Trask on the day was twenty six and thirty

(01:52:10):
five three yards, three touchdowns, and no picks. So he
is not bad very much in that Heisman chase, that
is for sure. How about Illinois on the road against Nebraska.
Nebraska finally got a win and they get throttled at
home by Illinois. Your your favorite coach, Scott Frost getting

(01:52:31):
hammered by a one in three Illinois team in Lincoln
that doesn't beating Penn State. Go figured out. Yeah, I mean, boy,
Penn State really must be bad. I mean I'm watching
I mean, I'm watching Nebraska like they they're bad and
they beat your Penn State team beat up on our

(01:52:53):
Penn State. I mean, we came back, made it a game,
but they beat up on us pretty quickly early on. Yeah. Oh, Steve,
it's so depressing. I'm sorry to hear that we're about
to play. And you know Dave did his update and
did not even mention the Iowa. Well, that's just both
teams are unranked. It's not it's not important. It was
unimportant enough to update as one of the games on

(01:53:16):
slate to play. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you
what the gascon is doing right now. He's watching this
Nevada Sandy Go Steak game right there on CBS Sports
brad Nessler Gary Danielson. By the way, Gary Danielson is
so hated by SEC fans he's a big ten guy, right,
I mean, and they just it's amazing SEC fans. If

(01:53:38):
you're not like all in on the SEC, then you
are just on the outside. I'm not all in on
the SEC, Well, then you're on the outside. I will
be on the outside. You have maintained many times on
this show that if the big wow, that is just it.
You just said, big ten is better. So all right,

(01:53:58):
watching Sandy Goes, I love Santiga State's helmets, big tennis
so much better. On watching Iowa warm up as they
push each other into the end zone and warm ups,
and I can't help but to think that they're just
gonna push us around the same way they're pushing each
other around in their warm ups. All right, here's where
we are, Ohio State Indiana. So we got a minute
a half to go in the fourth quarter, and now

(01:54:21):
it's third and thirteen for Ohio States. So Indiana still
has a shot, right, but there's still a chance. But
obviously this is it. This is their last stand. As
we got one thirty four to go in this game
and Ohio State leading thirty five, they got a third
and thirteen. So let's check out this play right now,

(01:54:44):
We're gonna keep it right here as Michael pennockx Jr.
On the sidelines, just praying, give me one more chance,
give me one more chance, one more chance. They're gonna
run the ball and they get no gain. However, Indiana
is out of time out. Oh the clock is running.
It's gonna run down to about forty something seconds and

(01:55:06):
Ohio State will be punning on fourth and twelve. All right,
we're in the guy, Go Fox Sports Radio Studios. We'll
get to the finish of this game, plus set you
up for all the other games coming up coming up next.
So you're telling me there's a chance, Yeah, old ball, ball,

(01:55:28):
balla ball. Steve Hartman, LaVar Arrington with you, coming alive
from the Guy, Go, Fox Sports Radio Studios, Indiana. It's
down to a final play, alright five Ohio State incomplete pass,
five seconds to go. Indiana is a long way away.

(01:55:49):
They're gonna have a chance for one final play. Hail
Mary hooking lateral. We'll find out what happens. One to
thank Iowa. Sam who is peen big win for the
Hawkeyes today against the winless Penn State. Did you say
that I never said that he's thinking in it. I
can tell um. We have David Gascon who's focused in

(01:56:10):
on the Sandy State Nevada game right now, All right,
here's the hook and lateral play. Here we go Indiana. Boy,
they've been working on this. This was quite a game.
Look at the s all right. They got on one
side of the field there on about their fifth ladderal
and there it goes, there he goes, there, he goes
game over. Is defeated uh Indiana forty two to thirty five.

(01:56:33):
Not good news for Gavin who took the seven and
a half and they did not cover. It's funny because
they waited all that time for the line to get
down to something I was comfortable with and just the well,
they had a twenty eight point lead, but Indiana came back.
So Panics in the game, finished with four nine yards
passing and five touchdowns. Unfortunately, as one interception was a

(01:56:55):
pick six that turned out to be the difference in
this game. So Ohio State moves to four no and
the Hoosiers are now four and one, but proved themselves
a worthy opponent today for the Buckeyes, no question about that.
Pennics Panics solidified his campaign. Oh yeah, I don't know
what it means for him in the future in terms
of the next level, but as a college quarterback, that's

(01:57:18):
I mean, he's done the best job against Ohio State
of any team so far this year, well and again,
and you know this as well as anybody. I always
look at it this way, like when when people talk
about a guy having great success in college and it
doesn't translate to the NFL, Well he was he wasn't
that good in college? That does that sounds It's two

(01:57:40):
different sports, they really are. This is why I'm always
happy that there is a college football Hall of Fame,
there's a pro football Hall of Fame. I mean Ty
Depmer was one of the greatest college quarterbacks of all time,
and he held a clipboard for fourteen years in the NFL.
Why because he was a pretty smart guy. He just

(01:58:00):
didn't have the physical tools to play in the NFL.
Lea yeah, yeah, so much smaller talent pool there is.
And then you get guys that sometimes didn't do all that.
I mean, go back to Patrick Mahomes. I mean Texas
Tech lost more games than they won when he was
a quarterback. Now it comes in the NFL Super Bowl

(01:58:22):
champion m v P there eight and one this year.
What was the difference. Some are saying greatest quarterback of
all time? Could well be. He'll have an opportunity to
prove that he's gonna be. He's already the highest paid
quarterback of all time. Yeah, it's gonna be making a
whole lot of money. But football is one of those
uh again, right place, right time, right system. And that's

(01:58:44):
not just for quarterbacks. It's just about for everybody. As
Michael Thomas may find out. With Taysom Hill throwing him
the ball this week or not throwing him the ball
my fantasy team, I would not be surprised if Jamis
Winston goes in very quickly to say starter. Could just
mean he runs out on the field first. I mean,

(01:59:04):
I'm just being honest. Yeah, I mean it's not I
think that. That's why I think that's more watch Sean
Payton took offense, took exception to being called out. It
is because I don't know how much he plans on
playing Taysom Hill, as you know, in terms of reps. Yeah,
I'm watching your Nitney Lions right now. How do you

(01:59:24):
feel about it? It doesn't look good? Ohio stated is
like I always running downhill right now, already inside the
thirty yard line. Yeah, I can see that. Um So,
I mean, are the problems only on offense? I mentioned
the fact that thirty points in every game this year. Yeah,
it's both sides of the ball. I don't know why
they're under achieving so so horribly. I have no idea.

(01:59:47):
It just it looks like it's poor things going on.
I don't I don't want to be um. Yeah, yeah,
I mean, it's just I mean, it's it's always tough.
I mean, for instance, I'm a U c l A guy, right,
and and our football program has been so irrelevant for
so many years. I mean, I it's it's been a

(02:00:07):
long time. And when your school is not relevant, it
just sort of takes the air out of the whole season,
does it not. You know the cool thing about football.
You gotta have guys a guy, you gotta have a
guy that's willing to change games. And then you gotta
have guys that see that and and see themselves possibly

(02:00:30):
being a game changer and and see the mentality of it,
like you see that play out on the field. You
can't fake that. You can't fake it. And that's what
I love like I love that about football because you
can see that at every level. I have a question
for you, what you got not college football? Monday Night
Rams at Tampa? I mean you got that Ram defense? Man,

(02:00:54):
I like them wolf well and the in the Rams
offense isn't so shabby this year, but defense is carry
even Sean mcveighs said, man, it's defense, right, I mean,
you know, I think Jared Goff is having a good year. Yeah,
better than last year, that's for sure, much better. And Tampa,
where are you with him right now? I think that

(02:01:14):
they're a good team. I think they're a good team.
Are the team? Are they super Bowl bound? Right now?
Who's your best team in the NFC? The NFC? Probably
Seattle really well, they bounced back against Arizona after that
disaster the week before UM against Buffalo. Seattle, who are

(02:01:35):
you thinking? And you know, that's a great question. I
don't know. I keep wanting to think the Green base
in the mixed Green Bays an interesting game tomorrow, but
they'll lose games that you don't want to see them lose. Well,
I mean they got blown out by Tampa and that
one game and again the Saints are Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, but without breeze, for see how they hold
up over the next three weeks. Without breeze, they can

(02:01:57):
survive that. I think I gave you the safest pick.
I'll just put it this way. It could have been
a debate between them in Arizona and you saw that.
You know, Yeah, Arizona is not ready for prime time yet.
I will say this though, it will definitely not be
a team out of the NFC East. Okay, I'm going out.
I'm going We'll talk to you down the road, all right,
Steve

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