Aaron Torres and Jason Martin discuss their NFC North Division predictions, Nico Iamaleava stretching the truth at Big Ten Media day, and Kendrick Perkins switching up his stance on Luka Doncic.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday erritorist
Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. We're taking you up till two am Eastern,
and we got a lot to talk about. Training camps
are open. College football media days certainly provided plenty of content.

(00:25):
Speaking of content, stay tuned, we'll be talking Happy Gilmore too.
Baby debuted yesterday. We got a lot of thoughts. Yeah,
a spoiler issues.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
We can't really get too much into it because people
haven't had a chance yet.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, I'll say this, I know you're not active
on social media, but like I don't mean that in
a kind of setting way, like you just you're off
social media. But I am surprised by the number of
people that within twenty four hours have watched this thing.
And everyone's got opinions for sure. But we'll try to

(00:59):
be spoiler as much as we can, but we'll give
at least yeah, we'll give some sort of caveat. But
it's been a busy week. First of all, j Martin,
how are you, how's the fam? How's how's life? How's everything?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
We're all right, Everything's everything's pretty good. The youngest one
is I don't know, she's in a bit of sleep
regression right now, where she's not napping in the daytime
at all, and so that can make for some long days.
But all is all is fine, All is good. Started
the morning watching Qualifying from SPA for F one, and

(01:34):
then I watched Happy Gilmore two this afternoon and now
here we roll.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Well, let's roll and listen. You know, obviously this time
we like to leave the show with big, strong, bold
opinions and the hottest topic of the day. Yeah. Last
week we were basically the first people that were able
to react to the w NBA pay us what You
Owe us, which obviously became a certainly a hot topic,
you know, Sunday Monday.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Yeah, that didn't work out the way they thought it
was going to. I can tell you that because we
might have been the first to comment on it, and
I think that obviously a lot of folks agreed with
us and had very similar takes for days and days afterwards.
Everything I saw, basically, for the most part, it was
just kind of like yep, yep, yep, pretty much, yep,

(02:22):
pretty much. I don't think that's what they thought they
were gonna get when they was when they wore those shirts.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, it is kind of funny. We could spend half
a second on this and we got to get to
a lot of football. I you know, one of the
things about this window is we're so reactionary in the
moment that I can't speak for you man, but like
sometimes I don't feel like I always articulate the things,
especially the stuff that we're reacting to in real time.

(02:49):
And that was one where I think my biggest takeaway
in hindsight is exactly what you just said. And we
promised we're not starting with a week old topic, but I.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Just want to spend two minutes for a second.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
Yeah, is that I think if I had one big takeaway,
I think that they thought that they were somehow going
to be sympathetic figures. And yeah, and I was gonna
say I would say like ninety five percent of the
reaction that I saw was either you're paid exactly what

(03:20):
you're owed, which actually was not the majority of the opinion,
but mostly it was you have lost money for thirty years.
You may have some positive momentum right now, but can
you carry it over for like, I don't know, a
two or three year stretch before you start demanding stuff.
I think that was probably my biggest takeaway in hindsight.
I think they thought they were going to be sympathetic figures.

(03:42):
And I think even people that feel like, okay, they
probably are underpaid with the new TV deal that's come
in and some of the new revenue streams, I think
most people were just like, Okay, even if you are underpaid,
this wasn't the way to do it. And I just
don't think they came off a sympathetic figures at all.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Noy and just saw through it. And what's funny is
most of the response was something to the effect of
you're not owed anything. And it's like, this is why
you don't do it in front of the public. This
is why you do it behind closed doors. If you're negotiating,
negotiate behind closed doors with interested parties, because when you

(04:20):
wear that in front of the public, all the public
is going to turn around to do is say, you're
not earning any money, you're losing money, you're being held
up and propped up by the NBA. You wouldn't exist
if not for them. What do you think you are owed?
And even if you think because of the TV deals
and all this kind of stuff that you should be

(04:42):
entitled to more. You may have a case for that
in your own building, like in the negotiating process, but
once you put it out in public, it changes because
what people are responding to is, dude, your product is
not very good. You have one superstar. Do you think
that you are owed like this? Is it comes across

(05:03):
as super entitled? I don't. I don't think that they
fully even thought that through. They thought that You're right,
you said they thought they were gonna go fully sympathetic.
No one had sympathy for them because the message that
they were trying to get across uh to the public,
to the watching audience, We're like, excuse me, Like the

(05:23):
tone deafness was unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
It was unbelievable. And to put a bar on this
so we could talk about more pressing topical issues. By
the way, if you missed any of our conversation last week,
you can go back and download the podcast. We also
had a nice little traction on YouTube, so find us
on Fox Sports ready at YouTube. But now I'm with you,
is that I think there was a thought Listen again,
is it Can you make the argument that maybe conceivably

(05:49):
they're underpaid. I think some could make that argument given
the new TV deal. I don't think this was the
way to do it, and that is assuming that you
do think they're actually under which I think the vast
majority don't think. Let's move on because guess what, man,
we got some freaking yeah football. Yeah, you know who's
not underpaid anybody in the NFL because they actually make

(06:11):
a crap ton of revenue. Okay, So when we were
last on air, basically everyone was in the process of
reporting if they had not already. Everybody is now officially
in camp. There are thirty two teams. We got the
next five six weeks to break it all down. And oh,
by the way, we'll do our division by division preview

(06:31):
with the NFC North, which I think you can argue
is maybe the most intriguing division in football coming up
in about an hour from now. But I want to
ask you, I just want to open it up.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Man.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
We could take it in any direction that you want.
But as training camps open, is there. I know there's
thirty things that you're looking forward to or intrigued by
or interested, but do one or two stand out from
your perspective as far as things you're most interested in
coming into this year.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I mean, this is probably gonna sound pretty obvious, but Cleveland, Yeah,
because of the quarterback situation. They have so many guys,
You've heard so many varying things about all of them.
I don't know if any of them are going to
be particularly good, but just them trying to parse through
all of the mess that they have there, and certainly

(07:17):
all eyes on Shudoor Sanders in particular. But there's there's
a lot happening in Cleveland. It's a team that I
don't think is going to be competing for anything particularly
strong this year. But the quarterback situation, because look, the
whole draft was about Shadoor Sanders, so why should the
beginning of training camp not be Because in most cases,
we already know who QB one is and we know

(07:38):
who ninety five percent of the roster is going to be.
So really, what you're hoping for is not to see
the injury update like Burns in Miami tearing his ACL,
or even that kind of frightful deal where Justin Fields
was carried off and then then was or was carted
off but then was able to walk a bit and
it turns out it wasn't bad what happened to his toe.
So you're hoping for no injuries, certainly, But I think

(07:59):
just the first thing that stands out is when I
flip it, when I flip on news or whatever to
try and see what's happening. I just kind of look
to see if Cleveland is near the top of the list,
and usually in the headlines it is. I've already seen
multiple shots today of shed or Sanders in Brown's in
a Brown's uniform with a football in his hand, and honestly,
right now, I'm most intrigued by that. And if you

(08:23):
want one more, it would be in the same division,
and it's Pittsburgh. It's Aaron Rodgers and what is happening there.
I mean, there's storylines everywhere. The Giants is another one
that's sort of interesting. But I think that right now
it's Cleveland and then it's Pittsburgh because again I'm I've
stuck my neck out and said this is going to

(08:44):
be the year that breaks Tomlin's over five hundred streak,
and so I'm watching kind of intently to see how
that experiment goes.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Early on, Yeah, you know, it's funny. I actually I'll
be real. So the Cleveland thing is fascinating. I think
the number one takeaway from all of the Cleveland media
coverage is like, this is why coaches always say they
don't want a celebrity backup quarterback and people get mad
at that. They got mad when Cam Newton couldn't find

(09:14):
a spot in the league. You know, Colin Kaepernick later on,
and it's like, because everything Shador does is covered and
leads whatever show you're watching that day, and I actually like,
it's the weird one where I literally have no idea
where he stands. You read one report he's way better
than expected. You read another report he might not even
make the team Pittsburgh. To me is is I'll be honest,

(09:38):
I don't really find it that interesting, only because I
think I know how this is gonna go. I think
we all kind of know how it's gonna go. I
think I feel the same way that you do of
you know, maybe maybe it's above five hundred, but it's
not significantly above five hundred. Now, I think from there
there are some interesting conversations of U if you do
go below five hundred, is this just the year where

(10:00):
the Steelers finally say, you know, let's just start from scratch,
not only at the quarterback position, draft a guy in
the draft, but then also with a new head coach,
but then also obviously what would happen with Aaron Rodgers
from that point. I assume that if they go under
five hundred, there was barely a market for him this offseason.

(10:21):
I can't imagine there would be. I'll say this, ja Mark,
I want to get to a couple of things that
I kind of have on my list, But the actual
most interesting thing that could possibly happen is if the
Steelers were somehow, like way better than we expect. Now,
I don't think that's gonna happen, but then all of
a sudden, it justifies Mike Tomlin and the demeanor that
he and I don't think Mike Tomlin's been like in

(10:41):
the wrong on anything but defense first, you know, kind
of skewing away from literally everything that everybody else is
in the NFL. Then I'll tell you this, Aaron Rodgers
was pretty annoying when there was basically one team that
wanted him and the rest of us were just ready
for him to move on. Imagine if they somehow went
eleven and six and made it to whatever, even just

(11:05):
the divisional round or whatever, win a playoff game. You
thought Aaron Rodgers was insufferable this summer, he might be
even more insufferable as summer from now if he actually
does something half decent on the field this year.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Yes, I mean that's definitely true. I don't honestly just
don't see it. Yeah, but again, yeah, it would definitely
be I told you so, or the smugness on the
face would just be all timer. So I agree to
an extent. But again, like a lot of people get
more into camp than I do, they just agree. And

(11:39):
I've always been this way. I think it is over
over talked about, over discussed. I think it's just like listen, nitpick,
and find whatever narrative we can. Caleb Williams had a
couple bad days, so clearly he's about to be a bust.
All these other kinds of things, It's like, I just
want everybody to get through it healthy. I'm glad we
have a little bit of a shorter preseason as it
comes to games that are being played. I want to

(12:01):
see everybody healthy once we get to Week one. But
I try not to overreact to like, oh, well he
was he was seven of eighteen throwing the football today
and the defense got the better of him. I'm not
sure Patrick Mahomes is going to be the guy this year, Like,
what are we doing? Some of this stuff is ridiculous
Now it's more interesting in a place where like I

(12:22):
did find it interesting that Brian Dable came out and
said Russell Wilson's QB one and the immediate response was,
or at least some people saying it should be Jackson Dart.
We won. It doesn't matter. Neither one of them is
going to be good because the team around him is
not good, and Brian Dables just I'm gonna go ahead
and put out the put out the veteran early. There's
no reason to throw Jackson Dart to the Wolves yet

(12:42):
give them a little bit more time. Whatever. Giants AOK
going to be one of the worst teams in the league,
so it's not going to be particularly inviting from that perspective. Then,
of course you've got your camp holdouts, and we discussed
this last week. Aaron. I can't get too up at
you about it, because I think it's all going to
be worked out by the time it really matters, Like, yeah,
you're missing a little bit of time in camp. But

(13:03):
most of the guys that are holding out or are
not reporting or a discruntled are veterans that already understand
how to ramp up on their own. And usually it's
not a scenario where they're having to learn, you know,
a brand new quarterback, brand new offense, brand new defense,
whatever it is. They're pretty entrenched in those roles. So
I think you can make a mountain out of a

(13:25):
lot of mole hills when it comes to camp. And
I've always been one that more downplays it than overrates it.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Let me ask you a question about a team, and
this is one that I am kind of curious about,
and it may be pretty obvious, but Kansas City Chiefs
man like, I get it a million straight AFC Championship games.
I get it, a bunch of Super Bowl appearances in
a bunch of Super Bowl wins. They also won twelve

(13:53):
one score games. Last year they went twelve and zher
in one score games. They obviously easily could have lost
the AFC Championship game. To their credit, they wanted I'm
not trying to discredit them. I know we've said this
for like four straight off seasons. At some point they
have to be on the wrong side of this stuff, right,

(14:14):
and obviously some shuffling on the offensive line. Travis Kelcey.
I mean, it just looked, I'll say it, he looked
washed up in the Super Bowl. He just did. Part
of me is like, it's the Chiefs. They'll figure it out,
They'll go fifteen to two and we'll all laugh about it.
But the other part is like, at some point this
all has to catch up with them. Do you have

(14:36):
any definitive thoughts on them at this point or is
it just I don't know. I'll give you the floor
on that one.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I mean, I know what you're saying, and I don't
necessarily disagree. And at the same time, I mean, yeah,
but we've said that for years, like you said, and
it is Look, my broncos, I think we're gonna have
a pretty good year again this year. But do I
think that it's time to dethrone the Chiefs. No, the Chargers,

(15:03):
I think they have a shot. The Raiders. I know
we're hearing a lot of positive stuff about Geno so far.
I think they might be improved, but I don't think
they're gonna be any kind of a threat. I think
the division is likely to come down to the Chargers
and the Chiefs, because I think year two with Harball,
as long as Herbert can stay healthy, and I will

(15:24):
say this too, this has got to be. It like
the justin Herbert defense is over. If this year goes poorly,
it just we can no longer continue to talk about
him as if he's Johnny Unitis. If something doesn't shift,
if something doesn't change this year, and I tend to

(15:44):
think that it might, but I think that's really the
only shot, because I still think that Kansas City, because
of the scheme and because of what they do, they're
still going to be pretty good. And even my Broncos
are in double digits, I still think that they're likely
to lose a tie breaker something like that to the Chiefs,
have something where the Chiefs eke one out. And of
course everybody's just gonna say that the rest have an

(16:06):
end for everyone, not the Chiefs, because that's just that's
the narrative, and it's fun. It's always fun to be
conspiracy theory guy. So that's okay. But I know what
you are saying. I'm not. It's just hard to say
that Patrick Mahomes isn't gonna find a way because he
always does.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
It's totally fair. And yes, I'm sure if some listener
in Kansas City wants to do the digging, they can
probably find me asking the exact same question at this
time last year and looking stupid. So it's just something
that's on my mind. We got six weeks until week one,
until that Thursday night game, so we got plenty to
break down. Like I said, about an hour from now,

(16:44):
we'll do our deep dive on the NFC North, which
I think is a fascinating conversation. Tell you what, though,
Jmark coming up, Let's switch gears to college football because
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the wrong reasons over the last couple months made even
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(18:46):
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. All right,
ja Mark, So, in addition to NFL training camps opening,
we are inching oh so close to college football. Media
Days are now in the books, which just means camps
are about to open for college football, and five weeks

(19:08):
from today it'll be week one, and four weeks from
today it is week zero. Kansas State, Iowa State. Not
the worst opener for college football. But what I want
to do is talk about a few topics that popped
up over the course of the week. Again, SEC Media
Days was last week. This past week was acc and
Big ten. The Big ten probably the most noteworthy news

(19:30):
that came out of there, besides basically everybody bashing the
SEC Ryan Day, did it? Kurt Signetti did it. The
other big news was that Nico Iamaliava, for the first time,
really shared his side of things on his departure from Tennessee.
He obviously transferred from Tennessee. There was a lot of
speculation about the demands from his camp for more money. Well,

(19:53):
Nico Iamaliava at Big ten Media Day now a member
of the UCLA Bruins. And by the way, really quickly,
if we're gonna criticize Nico in a minute, which I
think we probably are, credit to u c. L A
for making him available to the media, Credit to Nico
for showing up. But this is his version of why
he left Tennessee, just false.

Speaker 6 (20:13):
Stuff about you know, whether it was a financial thing
or not. You know, my driving factor to come back
home was was my family. And you know, I hope
every you know Tennessee fan understands that you know that
it was It was, you know, really one of the
hardest decisions that I ever had to make, but you know,
I had to do what was best for me and
my family, and you know, ultimately I wanted to come
back home and be closer to my family.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
So that was Nico Imaliava. I believe there is another
sound of him saying it wasn't about money. I got
a lot of takes, j Mart, but I'm gonna give
you the floor, Nico. I amaliava one saying it's not
about money, to saying he wanted to be closer to home. Yeah,
I got I got thoughts, but I'm gonna give you
the floor.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
First s, Stop protecting your family, man, Like, stop whoever
it is that helped you make this decision. Stop covering
for them, Like, just don't say things out loud that
here's the problem. Okay, I can understand the homesickness thing.
I've seen that happen in sports before. We've all seen

(21:14):
that happen, right.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Two years, he'd been there for two years.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
It wasn't after a semester, but yeah, usually it happens
a lot sooner. But that's not the biggest issue. Things
can happen. I understand you start to miss family more. Whatever, right,
we don't. We can't be in somebody's head. However, you
cannot tell me that it's about home when your representation
also reached out to Old Miss and Miami as part

(21:41):
of this procedure. When I saw that attached to the comments,
when I saw that those were some of the places
in Oregon too, but at least Oregon's west coast. But
I mentioned the ones that are even further away, Like, dude,
it doesn't hold water, Like it's not this is not
making things better, this is making things demonstrably worse. And

(22:02):
it's it's an unforced error, like you just you hit
this thing straight into the net, like there was no
reason to go this far with it, And to say
Tennessee fans have to understand this, Yeah, they clearly understand
now that the problem is he comes across like he's lying.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Yeah, well, I don't want.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
To accuse someone of that, but this statement flat out doesn't.
There's no logic here. It like if he was reaching
out to old miss it was not about going home period.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
I was gonna say one of my takeaways from this
is that everyone is certainly entitled to their version of
the truth. And like I said, if we're going to
criticize him, and I think it's fair to criticize him,
credit to him for showing up to big ten media
days answering questions. Credit to UCLA for not hiding him
with that said, just because it's his version of the

(22:53):
truth does not mean that it was actually the truth. Listen,
there were multiple reports that the family was asking for
more money. By the way, I don't even know if
you saw this, j Mark, but Kirkhurbstreet did some random
podcasts this week and he basically said that he heard
that the family was trying to make demands on who

(23:13):
they were recruiting at wide receiver and who they were
recruiting at O line. And so I'm with you is
that if you just look at the public facts of
the case, one multiple reports that it was actually about
money that they were trying to renegotiate. That the market
for elite quarterbacks and I'm not even saying he's elite,
but the market for elite quarterbacks had risen, and they

(23:35):
basically felt like, well, if this guy's getting this much
as a transfer, then we deserve that much too. To
your point, he claimed it was about getting close to home,
but he let his camp engage with other schools. Here's
the third part. Unless I'm mistaken, I think his entire family,
well not his brother, because his brother, of course was

(23:57):
playing at Arkansas in the fall or in the spring.
Excuse me. I think his whole family was in Knoxville.
So it's like his family moved with him. I you know, again,
how recently was that. I don't know, because his brother
played high school football in the state of California last year.
But it just doesn't add up. And I think, you know,

(24:18):
we could separate two things. Is that we're not rooting
against Nico. We're not anti Nico, but we're also our
job is to not let you just say whatever you
want without any degree of pushback. And so, by the way,
if it was over money, if it was that you
didn't feel like you were in the best position, it's
okay to say that. Now, of course, the caveat to

(24:40):
that is you're not making more money and you're not
in a better position at UCLA. Right, But again, just
because it's your version of the truth doesn't make it
the actual truth based on everything else that we know.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Listen, here's a rule of thumb for twenty twenty five.
If your name is Nico, shut.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Up, sure, o Harrison, I didn't put that together, and.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Nico Yama leava like, just just if your name is Nico,
just because every time someone named Nico has talked this year,
it's gone bad. Except for Nico Hulkenberg, the Great f
one driver he can talk outside of that, it has
gone poorly for anyone named Nico when they have opened

(25:25):
their mouth and tried to explain a situation. I just
I was baffled by this. I was blown away. I
felt I felt bad for him because of how bad
this looked and how bad it sounded. It's just like, Nico, buddy,
this ain't it, man, Like this is not it. These
are not the droids you were looking for. We've got
to because it's so easy to call this out and

(25:46):
it's not gonna make Tennessee fans feel better, and as
a matter of fact, it make them feel worse because
like now he's trying to blow smoke, Like, what are
we even doing here? Just you have moved on, move on,
Just go ahead and own what has happened and go
play football, because this right here set him back.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
In my opinion, Yes, and I think to your point one,
Tennessee fans have moved on to the degree that they haven't.
They don't want you to lie about it. Just again,
I don't even know, Like, I don't know what he
could say, which is the honest truth. I mean, I
guess the only thing he really could say is like yeah,
I thought I had more leverage than I did and whatever,

(26:26):
So I guess he to some degree has to save face.
I think this is bluntly a cautionary tale for this
nil era of leverage and what you think you have
and what you don't have. And I think we can
all kind of put bon on this by saying, Nigo
iamaliavo whatever, the reason was, not in a better football situation,

(26:47):
not financially in a better place, And it's gonna be
a tough lesson. He's got a chance to prove us
all wrong. I don't think it's gonna happen in the
Big ten this year, but maybe he proves us all wrong.
But yeah, to the point that we've both made, just
because it's your version of the truth doesn't mean it
actually is the truth. Fox Sports Radio Era towards Jason
Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. When

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we come back, another big name making his debut in
a new place at Media Day. This guy though, it's
not what he said, but what he didn't say. We'll
discuss that next before we do the first time this evening,
mister UCLA, Steve the second, how excited are you for
the Nico Iamliava era here in Los Angeles.

Speaker 7 (27:27):
I am more curious than excited. I genuinely want to
see what this all looks like because they talk like, oh,
we got other players we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. Yes,
standing behind.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
This was an element that we set this when Chip.

Speaker 7 (27:38):
Kelly was here. By the way, we never used to
be able to recruit those kind of guys.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well, and I'll say this, I don't want to be
critical of a guy who I think has been good
to Fox Sports Radio. Bruce Felman put out the puffiest
of all puff pieces on the Athletic the other day,
and that was one of the references, Oh we got
all these guys. We have four four stars signed up,
And it's like, so you got guys that are three
years removed from Nico and high school that are dying
to play with him. Where in theory, if it goes

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as well as he claims it's gonna go, he's gonna
go to the draft after this year. Nothing about this
adds up. It's all smoke. Just say it's smoke and
sorry to Segram.

Speaker 7 (28:13):
And because his first name, apparently he can't speak anymore.
But in Arnie's honor, how about Nico Mannyon for Arizona.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Oh no, I believe a lot of people did. Yeah,
a lot of people did.

Speaker 7 (28:24):
Nico Horner comes in infielder. I believe he can speak,
former first rounder from Stanford. I believe it's okay for
him to speak. Nick Kertz, does that count? I believe
he can speak. Do you are you aware last night
what this rookie for the a It was almost said
the Oakland A's for the A's did.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
No, I'm not actually, to be honest.

Speaker 7 (28:41):
Four home runs in one game? Wow, a rookie has
literally never done in the history of Major League baseball.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
He had.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
In fact, rookie or not, he's the first player in
major league history to have a night where he had
four home runs, six hits total, and eight RBIs in
the game. What you're saying is that's impressive, unprecedented, so impressive.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Yes, I will tell you I was watching Happy Gilmore two,
which we will discuss in about an hour from now.
So that's why I didn't see this because I was
watching Happy Gilmore too.

Speaker 7 (29:11):
Congratulations, it was fun.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
We'll get to it.

Speaker 7 (29:13):
Did you get the h Dan Patrick segment? Because, of course,
if Adam Sandler was involved in anything. He did appear
on the Dan Patrick Show.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
That's right, I forgot their relationship.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
N't have to be involved in anything to be on
the Dan Patrick Show.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
I'm sure that is sitting there somewhere. And by the way,
cal Raleigh of Seattle has homer tonight. That is his
fortieth of the season. The Mariners have added some scoring,
so they're up six to two at the Angels in
the top of the six. Cal Raley is only the
seventh catcher ever to have a forty home run season
and we are still in July. July thirty first is

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coming up this next week. That's when Baseball's trade deadline
hits us. The Yankees tonight acquired infielder Ahmed Rosario from Washington.
Aaron Judge was placed on the jury list with a
strain and elbow filled it helf. You beat the Yanks
in New York today nine to four. Toronto is first
in the AL six and a half games over the Yankees,
now Boston seven and a half back. Toronto won at

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Detroit six to one. The Tigers have lost six in
a row. Texas won its fifth straight game, a ten
inning win over Atlanta six to five. Kansas City and
Cleveland split a doubleheader. The late game has the Mets
up two to one at the Giants. In the bottom
of the ninth, San Diego won three to one at
Saint Louis. Boston beat the Dodgers in Clayton Kershaw four
to two, although sho hey Otani had a leadoff homer,

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his thirty eighth of the year, but the win to
All Star for Boston Garrett Crochet. He is twelve and four.
The Cubs are tied for first with the Brewers in
the NL. Central Milwaukee was beaten at home seven to
four by Miami, while the Cubs were winners at the
White Sox six to one. I think we've mentioned on
the show before the Colorado Rockies are just not good.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
I was thinking in your intro, we should do a
State of the Rockies, like the three most embarrassing things
that have happened this week to the Rockies, Like that
should be a segment from the rest of the summer.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
We have to keep it down to three.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
I mean, if you could come. You know, we don't
have all night to talk Rockies, but tell us what
happened tonight. And it led in my head to we
should have like a State of the Rocky segment for
at least like five minutes every seady.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Let's just go with the good first, because they had
actually won three whole games in a row until tonight.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
It's called a winning streak.

Speaker 7 (31:22):
It is called a winning streak, and it is now over.
They were at Baltimore tonight. Let's be honest. Not a
good baseball team this year, Orioles eighteen, Rockies nothing the finals.
The Rockies record is now twenty seven and seventy seven.
We are not done with July, and they are fifty

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games under the five hundred mark.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Did you get my reference? By the way, it's from
Major League one. Lou Brown says, we won yesterday, we
can win today if we went tomorrow. That's called a
winning streak. It has happened before. So yes, congrats of
the Rockies on a winning street this week.

Speaker 7 (32:02):
So sorry you had me on a Gilmore thing. I
go back to the nineties.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I forgot about Major League for a second. There,
that's all.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Right, I'm mister pop culture. What can I say?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
Lou Brown, the actor passed away a few years ago?

Speaker 7 (32:15):
Oh really, the manager, I believe, So yeah, that was
just a salty, crusty actor. That was perfect to play.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah, he was working at the tire shops before he
got the Cleveland Idians. Gig is amazing. Yeah, it looks
like he did pass away a little while ago. So anyway,
all right to say anything else of the Rockies, anything else,
anything exciting?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Or are you kidding?

Speaker 7 (32:35):
There's always good stuff on the Rockies. You actually want
me to give you one more?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Do it? Well?

Speaker 7 (32:39):
Did I have more? Put it this way? In the
National League, if at this point of the season, you've
been outscored by one hundred runs, your manager has been fired.
So like Washington, they've been outscored by one hundred and
five runs at this point. If you add up the
runs they've scored in the amount they've given up, it's
a minus one oh five. Okay, the Rockies are a
minus two sixty four.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Wow, it's incredible. My god, lost an eighteen to nothing.
That certainly is a good help.

Speaker 7 (33:03):
Roughly, they've scored three point fifty and given up six fifty. Roughness,
that's how bad a year it's.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
And they still have to play out the rest of
the season.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
Yes, and they only have twenty seven wins to speak for.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Things goodness gracious, all right to Segre, we appreciate you.
More fun Rockies facts throughout the show.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
Well, it's the gift that keeps on giving, isn't.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
It, Tony. We'll work that into the show somewhere along
the way the next few weeks as we ramp up
to football. But Fox Sports Radio Ertors Jason Martin will
come back. We'll pay off that tease the coach who
said nothing, but we shouldn't be surprised at media Days. Oh,
by the way, you do have to hear what Nick
Saban said. Oh we too. Well, well, we're discussing all

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of it next. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody, Fox
Sports Radio Ertors Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios. Busy week actually in college football, where
the Big Ten and the acc head media days. Probably

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the most intriguing thing that came out of Media Day
was the presence of someone, even if he didn't say
very much. That of course, was Bill Belichick making his
you know, essentially his debut is North Carolina head coach
on a national stage. You know, before we came on air,
j Martin, I made sure that I didn't miss anything
super important that Belichick said, he.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Said on to Cincinnati Aaron, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
He said on to TCU, the first time anyone's ever
said that. I will say, you know, it's it's it's funny.
Like even Dabo Sweeney kind of referenced, like I still
get chills being in the same room as him. So
the name carries a ton of weight.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
I have.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
You know, I have a lot of thoughts on everything.
We wouldn't be talking about it if we if we didn't.
But what are your kind of thoughts or expectations for
this Belichick at least year one, Because I don't know.
I just I'm curious your thoughts on Belichick as he
heads into his first year as a college football coach.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean, I'm certainly fascinated to see what this looks like.
Their schedule is manageable, That's the one way to put it.
It's gonna look better probably than it is, even if
it's not good at all. I mean, it's not like
Belichick doesn't know how to coach. But when I keep
seeing this stuff like well, North Carolina football is being

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run like a pro program, Like all right, man, like easy,
Let's just get to the season and let's see what
happens here. I don't know how much talent that team has.
I don't think that they have all that much. I
just want I want to know what it looks like
at mid season, if it has gone poorly somehow, if
they've underperformed, or if it just totally looks like a
bad fit. Like is he already going to be looking

(35:47):
for the exits at that point in time. I don't
think that it will, just because again, the schedule is
so kind of just unbelievably easy in many respects. But
I don't know what to make of this yet because
we know Belichick for one thing, and now he's going
to do something. It's just a completely different universe. Even

(36:08):
with sort of the changes in college football, it's a
completely different universe at this point for him. So we
stepping into this, We've heard a lot of stuff in
the offseasons had nothing to do with football, certainly with
his girlfriend and everything else that's been going on. I'm
looking forward to it actually getting onto the gridiron so
we can actually see what Belichick looks like as a
college football coach. I just assume that the ceiling is

(36:30):
somewhere around mediocre. Like I just I don't see this
being some Ohio State, Alabama, you know, Michigan kind of
deal here. For North Carolina, they don't have a ton
of tradition. They have won some football games, and they've
had some talented guys come through there. We know that
they've had some Hall of famers come through there. But
at the same time, it's just like, what is the

(36:52):
ceiling for North Carolina football with Bill Belichick. I mean,
I think if it goes really really well for them,
it's gonna be like Spurri or at South Carolina or
something like that. But I don't sense that that's what
it's gonna be. I just kind of assume they're gonna
be about a seven win team at best, and it's
gonna be more. More or less, it's gonna be uninteresting

(37:13):
in terms of the results on the field. Everything's gonna
be generated by what is said about Belichick more so
than what we're seeing on the football field.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Well, i'll tell you what, I do think it's gonna
be uninteresting because one thing about Bill Belichick, nobody will
ever say that they stylistically play the best style. And really,
once you get past they do play an opener on
National TV, it's the Labor Day night. Remember we get
five straight days of college football Labor Day weekend Thursday
through Monday. So the final game of Week one is

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North Carolina hosting TCU. Then after that, you know, Week four,
you get Clemson, Week five, you get Clemson, and you
might not play a ranked team the rest of the year.
So you know, it's one where I think it's going
to into the background because it's going to be neither
that exciting and it's not like there's gonna be a

(38:05):
bunch of marquee games. Like if he took the South
Carolina job and you're playing you know, Bama LSU, that
becomes a different deal. So I'm kind of with with you.
I think the win loss record might be impressive, just
because I don't see teams on the schedule that are
like definitive l's. I just I think it's interesting, it's

(38:26):
an interesting story. I don't know if it's going to
be an interesting product really quickly. Do want to talk
about one of Bill Belichick's former assistant coaches, that's Nick Saban.
This time last week, j Mart, we were talking about
the rumors via Greg McElroy that Nick Saban would be
was at least willing to listen to coming back to

(38:49):
coaching well. He joined Fox News on Friday and was
asked specifically about his potential return to coaching. Here's what
he had to say.

Speaker 8 (38:58):
I thought about getting back into coaching until two days ago.
Miss Terry said, I had to run the sweeper in
the entire downstairs. So while I was running the sweeper,
the thought occurred to me, you know, when you were coaching,
you had a heck of a lot better job than this.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
By the way, when he says run the sweeper, that
isn't like a half back toss, that's the yes.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
So I at first I thought that when I first
started the audio, I thought that's where he was going
with it. I thought he was gonna try to make
a pun out of it. But no, indeed, he was
just like, now, it's kind of boring doing housework.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, and is boring doing housework, Nick saban having some
fun with it.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
He did say some other kind of conversation about basically
like you know that that he enjoys being in kind
of an administrative role and you know, being able to
help college football. From a thirty thousand foot view, I
do believe the exact quote was something like, there is
no job that currently interests me. So maybe J Mart
he learned his lesson from the Miami Dolphins when he

(39:56):
said there is no way I am taking that Alabama job.
I guess he's leaving himself a one percent of one percent.
But I don't think you and I really believe that
there was that much on the table for him a
week ago. And it doesn't really sound like much has
changed out and he spoke no.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I think he's having fun at this point. Again. I mean,
the job on TV and stuff is pretty good. There's
no reason to jump into a bad job. We'll see
what happens in a coming years. Maybe you gets see
it and Terry wants him to do it. But I
my guess is he's done. I just I think he
is done with the football experience as a coach.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I think so too, Nick Saban talking about his future.
Tell you what, J Mart, we got two hours left.
Hour one just flew on by. We will come back.
We're gonna talk some NFL. We're gonna talk some happy
Gilmore too. But unfortunately the sports world lost a legend
this week. We'll discuss that next Fox Sports Threty Welcome

(40:47):
in Everybody hour two towards martin Fox Sports Radio. We
are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios, taking
you up till two a m. Eastern time. Bernie Fratto
of The Bernie Fratto Show will follow us. Cannot wait
to hear what Bernie has to say about a busy
week in sports. We obviously talked a lot in our

(41:11):
one about the opening of NFL training camps. We talked
a lot about college football. We'll go back to the
NFL in about twenty minutes with our preview of the
NFC North. Do want to go ahead, though, and switch
gears to a little bit of a serious topic, and

(41:33):
it's because over the course of the last couple of days,
we did lose a sports legend, of sports icon, somebody
who I think kind of transcended sport. That's whole. Cogan
passed away earlier this week at the age of seventy one.
You know, I think most people know this. I am
far from a wrestling expert, you know. You know, I

(41:55):
don't mean to sound mean spirited about it was just
never really my thing growing up, But really too, Hulk Hogan,
I think, as much as anybody was a crossover star
that I think basically, if you had any understanding of
essentially pop culture, you knew who Hulk Hogan was. But
I would also say that there is probably no one

(42:16):
on this network better equipped to speak about Hulk Hogan
speak about professional wrestling than Jason Martin. Jason Bartin, you
worked in professional wrestling for years. So I'm gonna kind
of mostly lay out to you during this segment because
we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about an icon,
and I think you probably have better perspective on it
than probably anybody on Fox Sports Radios airway, So I'm

(42:38):
gonna give you the floor here for a few minutes.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Well, you know, he was a complex figure, first of all,
and you know, I am reminded of Aaron Eckhart from
The Dark Knight saying you either die a hero or
live long enough to see yourself become the villain. And
you know, recent history has not been as kind to

(43:01):
Terry Bella. And you know, he had the scandals, and
he had the unfortunate comments and all the things that
sort of changed the perception about him. But what can
never be taken away is the impact that he had
cross culturally, and I think that's the important point that

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you made, which is if you said pro wrestling anywhere
in the world outside of maybe Japan, because Japan has
its own huge, absolutely massive wrestling scene and so they're
way more in the know, but a lot of places
in the world and you just walked up to anyone
random and said pro wrestling, especially in the eighties to

(43:44):
probably around the mid nineties, the response that you would
get would be Hull Cogan. If you showed a picture
of Hull Cogan, they would know who that was. Back
in the eighties, it was generally it was Hull Cogan.
It was Rick Flair's Rick Flair down South, and it
was Hul Cogan for Vince McMahon the WWF after we
left the AWA. But those were the two icons of wrestling.

(44:07):
Rick Flair was the better wrestler, is the better wrestler,
all of those things. It didn't matter though, because Hulk
Hogan was he was different. It wasn't because he did
various movies and all of those things. It was just
Hulk Cogan was larger than life. When pro wrestling is
at its best from a business perspective, you have larger

(44:28):
than life characters that at least at that point in
time kids could look up to, kids could look up
to Hogan, And I remember, you know, him putting raw
eggs into a glass and drinking them on Saturday mornings
on TV and telling kids to eat their vitamins and
all these other kinds of things, throwing out what was
happening in real life and the stuff behind the scenes

(44:51):
with Hogan and the politics and the way that and
the one thing that you know, he made money pretty
much everywhere he went for everyone, and he made a
whole lot of money for himself. And he protected his
role and protected his spot and protected how he was
going to be shown off on television. He did that relentlessly,

(45:14):
and it only grew as time went on, and so
he got, you know, sort of a he got kind
of a reputation for not caring about anyone but himself,
being incredibly selfish in how he never wanted to see
anybody elevated higher than him and things like that. But
that I don't think that that makes him much different

(45:36):
than a lot of the icons in sport. One thing
that I think you find out a lot about the
guys that were at their best is they were also
some of the most fragile sure, and as a result,
they clung on and held on and did everything that
they could to stalm down on others if they had
to along the way. But Hogan drew insane amounts of money.

(45:57):
He drew insane amounts of fans. You know, you would
think about the eighties, and if you were thinking about
just culture in the eighties, you would be thinking of
Michael Jackson, you would be thinking about hul Cogan, You'd
be thinking about mister t you would be thinking about
There were certain things that defined that decade, and hul
Cogan did that. And then the amazing thing was in

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the nineties, when wrestling had kind of shifted and changed
in terms of the athleticism involved, in terms of the
way the matches were being done, and the page had
been turned, hul Cogan managed to reinvent himself, agreed to
do the thing that he had never wanted to do
because he thought it would hurt his bottom line, and

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that was become an antagonist, become an enemy, become a villain,
become a heel. And he ended up doing that and
becoming the greatest heal we had ever seen really at
that point, and led to monumental business for another company.
After he had done it for the WWF, he did
it for World Championship Wrestling as well. His imprint is

(47:02):
going to be felt forever, and without him, you would
never have had a John Cena, you would never have
had a Dwayne Johnson, you would have never had a
lot of these guys because so much of what they
do was sort of inspired in some ways by what
Hulk Hogan had done before. He was a trail blazer
as an entertainer because he was one of the first

(47:24):
pro wrestlers to be featured nationally for an extended period
of time on television, and as such, he knew his
role was different than the guy that is at the
exact same building every single week, performing in front of
the same audience, where there it gets more personal and
it's more localized. This had to be national, and so

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Hulk Hogan became an icon, and he became a symbol
for the United States. He became a symbol for America
in the heyday of his career. And again, like Pro
Wrestling WWF, who knows if they even survive if they
don't find someone like a whole Cogan. And because they did,
they were able to ride that wave and he was

(48:07):
able to ride that wave to tremendous popularity, and despite
the scandals, despite all the things that would lead on.
And I will say this too. I had heard, and man,
I pray that this is true, that in the last
eighteen months whul Cogan found Christ and that it changed him.
And I had heard that from some people behind the scenes,

(48:27):
and I read some things in the last couple of
days that indicated that allowing Christ to become the lord
of his life had changed things. For I pray that
is true. Somebody sent me a photo yesterday of a
lot of deceased wrestlers at the Pearly Gates and a
joke about how the iron cheek was waiting for him
when he got up there. And then there was a
comment made to me in a text message about how

(48:49):
well only one of those guys is going to be in,
and my response was, I hope one of them is in.
I really do. I hope they hope then, quite frankly,
but I whatever happened later in life for the Holster,
I hope that there was some peace, and I do
hope that he was able to find Christ and that

(49:10):
that indeed has put him where he needs to be,
But in terms of just what he means to pro wrestling,
pro wrestling in America, I don't think that it would
have completely died, but it was taken into the stratosphere
and it was given a long runway with which to
falter in the nineties and then come out on the

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other end and survive long enough for the Stone Colt,
Steve Austin's, the Rocks, all of those guys to emerge
to keep it alive. Hul Cogan was the pulse of
entertainment based wrestling in America in a way that virtually
no one else. And if you're not old enough to
have seen it, what I'm saying is it's not gonna

(49:54):
land for you because you're gonna think of newer guys.
But without Hulk Cogan you get none of that. You
get absolutely none of that. He was a game changer
in the vastest sense of the word, just a media icon.
You think about Donald Trump before he went into the
White House, what Donald Trump was again another eighties figure, Trump,

(50:18):
Mister t Hull Cogan, Michael Jackson. All these guys transcended
what they did and were even larger than that, and
Hull Cogan certainly qualifies.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, you know, I think that to me as somebody
who's not a wrestling fan. I think in my life
there are four guys that have kind of transcended wrestling,
and I think even one of them really only because
of the age that I was when he kind of
came up. And that guy is stone cold Steve Auston
is I think the only reason I know about it

(50:53):
is because I was kind of like in that teenage
window when all my other friends were wrestling. We're wrestling fans,
so they So the point I'm trying to make is
that in my life, I would say it's John Cena,
it's Dwayne the Rock Johnson, you know, maybe Macho Man
Savage cause you know, I still remember the slim gyms,
you know, going too the grocery store and you'd see

(51:13):
his face on the side of the slim gym. But
but I would say number one is Hulk Hogan, and
you know, and I don't know what it was about
him or why it was. By the way, Andre the
Giant I think was pretty much retire Sure, yeah before
I like was around, but like, I don't know what
it was, but it just was. And I was talking
to somebody about this earlier in the week, but it

(51:35):
wasn't a wrestling guy. But I'm pretty sure, you know,
my mom's getting ready to move out of her house.
I'm pretty sure she's cleaning. She's probably found some Hulk
Hogan action figure or something like that, you know. And
it's just like, whether it was movies, whether it was TV,
whether it was whatever, he was just one of those
guys that transcended things. And I'll be honest, and maybe
it's because I'm not so close to it. I actually

(51:57):
don't remember a lot of the stuff that went wrong
for him the last probably ten twelve, fifteen years.

Speaker 9 (52:02):
Now.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
I remember the tape because I think it was a
sports media story as much as it was a Whule
Cogan story. But it's not to say that those things
shouldn't be part of the you know, of the full
story of Hulk Hogan. But you know, I hate to
say it like this because it maybe dismisses some things.

(52:23):
But like I think, when guys get older and guys
pass away, I think a lot of the negative I
don't know. I don't want to say it because I
don't I'm not close enough to it. But it's like
you can think of other recent athletes where they maybe
there were some things they weren't proud of at various
points in their lives and it just isn't talked about

(52:45):
as much when they pass away. And like with Hull Hogan,
I don't know, it wasn't the first or the tenth
or the fifteenth thing that I thought about, and maybe
I should have, and maybe that's on me, but to me,
it is the guy that was in movies, It is
the guy that was on TV. It was the guy
that was identifiable from the goatee and the hair and
the yellow shirt, even if you weren't a wrestling fan.

(53:08):
And so I'll just leave it kind of there. From
my perspective, is I just I think he's going to
be remembered as one of the icons for what he
did in the ring, but then also beyond that, for
just the fact that he transcended the sport in general.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, look, I think there's something to that. I think
if you are far enough away, then you haven't met
your hero. And I think that if you are really
into know and professional wrestling, then you know some of
the behind the scenes politics that he played and the
reputation that he had for holding young guys down and
some of those kinds of things, and it just but again,

(53:43):
I think a lot of people did that. His stories
got out a lot. But yeah, in recent years, I
mean he had he had some racist stuff, and he
had some things that came out that were just very unflattering,
and you know, there's nothing he can do to fix
those things in terms of making them not be there.
I don't think that they need to be the first

(54:03):
thing that you talk about. Look, there were some tributes
that were done won by a group that I respect
and have even contributed to in the past, and they're
doing a series on Hogan as a result in the podcast,
and the very first podcast that they did was breaking
down the scandals and the race, and it's just like, look,
that shouldn't be the first thing we talk about. Like that,

(54:25):
to me is a mistake. I think that you do
that when you're doing a full on biography and you're
going in like, yeah, that should be part of the
podcast series, but that should not be the lead. This
is not O. J. Simpson, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
Yeah, let me jump out on that really quick, because
I kind of danced around it about two minutes ago,
and I'll just say it, like with Kobe Bryant, Like right,
there was a very high profile case that he settled
out of court, and it's just like that shouldn't be
completely dismissed when we talk about Kobe Bryant. But I

(54:56):
don't know that it's the lead to the story. And
I again I don't know. I just to me, And
again maybe it's because I'm not so close to it.
It just wasn't the negative stuff wasn't necessarily the first
stuff that I thought of when it came to Hulk Hogan.
And again maybe I'm wrong for not being enough in
the know.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
I don't think. No, I don't think so. And look,
I think it's okay, right, Like there's just stuff that
you don't know, and like you can't know everything that's happening,
and you know, it's okay to remember the good things. Yeah,
you're gonna hear the bad things. And maybe that changes
a little bit of the tenor, but I don't think
that that needs to be lost. It. One other thing
that I want to mention about Hogan outside of wrestling,

(55:37):
it's very very important and it's related to the tape.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Hogan.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
That lawsuit pretty much destroyed Gawker, no doubt, and Gawker,
to me, was something that didn't need to exist quite frankly,
the way that it was being run, in the agenda
that was going on behind the scenes. Hogan helped bankrupt
them and get them out of there, and I think
that that was good. I mean, there's plenty of week
and say about the state of journalism in twenty twenty five,
but Garker was not a positive force in any way,

(56:05):
shape or form, and that lawsuit kind of changed. It
changed precedent and a lot of respects, and it helped
move on past something like that. So that's going to
be part of his legacy outside of wrestling as well,
is how it affected the media landscape in the country
as well well.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
And that's what I said a minute ago, is like
that to me was more of a It's something from
his personal life. But I think the only reason that
story resonated with me is because I work in sports media,
and so I just bring that up to just say
that again, I don't know, I don't want to speak
for every American and I don't want to speak for
every whatever. And as a matter of fact, you know,

(56:43):
people can tweet us. We're not gonna be able to
open the phone lines right now, but tweet us at
Aaron Underscore Torres at Jmartin Radio. I'd be curious, like,
is that a factor when you think of Hulk Hogan
when you remember Hulk Hogan the negative stories that came
out last ten to fifteen years. To your point, jmart
I think the last probably three to four to five

(57:03):
years were pretty quiet. I mean, he obviously appeared at
the r NC last summer, which I think was probably
his last like super mainstream thing. That was also why
I think it was kind of to me a little
bit shocking just to see him pass away because I
just saw him on my TV last whatever it was
July or August. But anyway, I would be curious from
the audience just about that because I just I think

(57:27):
if you're unless you're a diehard that lived and breathed
every moment of his career, I just don't think it's
really on your radar. Again, you could tweet us at
Aaron Underscore Torres at JMRT Radio JMRT before we switch
gears back to the NFL, any any last things that
you want to get and just want to make sure again,
this is your wheelhouse. I want to make sure we
didn't miss anything big.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
I don't think so. I think, just on a personal note,
as complicated and as you know, as a little bit
of a checkered past in some respects and all that
kind of stuff, wrestling has been such a gigantic part
of my life. I don't think it would have been
without him, I don't, you know. I feel like I

(58:10):
was driven more by the National Wrestling Alliance and Georgia
Championship Wrestling because of where I lived in a country.
But WWFF was available on USA Network and it was national,
and hull Cogan was a hero to me, like he
was a hero to a ton of other people that
I know around my age. And you know, we had
the fake wrestling matches, and I hit the big leg too,
just like a many many other people did. And just

(58:34):
there's so many memorable things about what hul Cogan did.
Even though he really only had like three or four
wrestling moves throughout the course of his entire career, it
didn't matter because he truly did feel like someone you
could look up to as a kid, and we need
those kind of figures. And sometimes you look now and
you don't see him, and yeah, maybe he turned out

(58:56):
not to be somebody you would have looked up to,
and so in all which respects, but the character that
he portrayed in the eighties gave a lot of hope
and a lot of inspiration to a lot of youth
across this country, including me.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Huk Hogan passes away at the age of seventy one
this week. A lot of people across these airwaves have
had a lot to say, so make sure to check
out Fox Sports Radio, YouTube and podcasts. I know Covino
and Rich had had them had him on their show previously,
and I think pretty much everybody at this point has
shared some thoughts, and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts
as well. Jmart tell you what we will come back.

(59:31):
We will switch gears to the NFL. We're doing our
division by division previews up next, maybe the most intriguing
division in the NFL, the NFC North Detroit, Chicago, Green Bay, Minnesota.
We're breaking them all down next. Fox Sports are you?

Speaker 3 (59:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Fox Sports Radio er towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios. Do you want to get
to our over underwin total preview of the NFC North.
We're gonna do that in just one moment. Fordy, though,
let's get over the news desk to Saga what is
tray to?

Speaker 7 (01:00:19):
And we'll have NFL notes in about fifteen minutes. In
that segment. We've got almost all finals in Major League
Baseball tonight. They are finishing up the top of the
ninth right now in Anaheim, Seattle seven to two over
the Angels. Going to the bottom of the ninth. Cal
Raley of the Mariners hit home run number forty of
his season. This is not only a catcher making this

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kind of impressive already. It's a switch hitter and he's
already hit forty this year. His team has played one
hundred and five games this year. The statu is apparently
among switch hitters, this ties the most home runs of
switch hitters ever hit by this point of a season,
tying with Mickey Mantles nineteen sixty one season through one
hundred and five game games. Shoeo Tony led off the

(01:01:02):
game at Boston tonight on Fox TV with a long ball,
his thirty eighth home run, but Boston did beat the
Dodgers four to two. Clayton Kershaw took the loss to
win the Garrett Crochet. He's twelve and four ERA two
point twenty three, had ten strikeouts of LA in six
innings of work. The Mets have won their sixth straight,
a two to one victory at San Francisco when he

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David Peterson, having a good season, went six innings for
the win, beating Robbie Ray, who had been nine to four.
The Mets are alone and first in the NL, still
a half game over the Phillies, who won in New
York against the Yankees nine to four. Today, yankstar Aaron
Judge was placed on the IL with a strained elbow.
The Toronto Blue Jays hit three homers in the ninth

(01:01:43):
to make it a six to one final. At Detroit,
the Tigers have lost six in a row, and they
blew another good start from Trek scoobl who's ten and
three this year had six scoreless innings, seven strikeouts, but
a no decision. Texas won its fifth straight, a ten
inning win over Atlanta six to five victories for Pittsburgh
and Cincinnati wins for the A's and Washington. Baltimore shut

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out Colorado eighteen to nothing. Miami won at Milwaukee seven
to four, while the Cubs were winners six to one
at the White Sox. That game was scoreless through six innings,
but the Cubs are now tied with the Brewers for
first place in the NL Central Kansas City split a
doubleheader with Cleveland. San Diego ended a four game losing streak,
winning three to one at Saint Louis. Cards had just

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three hits two WNBA games, Washington at home beat Seattle
sixty nine fifty eight and at New York Liberty star
Brianna Stewart left early with a leg injury. La won
on a layup at the Buzzer one oh one ninety
nine Sabrina Yonescu thirty points in the loss. There is
a big Caitlin Clark against Angel Rees game tomorrow. Oh yeah,

(01:02:46):
Clark's not playing tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
For next ticket prices down.

Speaker 7 (01:02:51):
No timetable for a return with the growing injury, but
she has missed twelve games this year, so half her
team's games, with three different injuries. After not being injured
or see any games due to injuries the previous couple
of years. Kansas men's basketball coach Bill Self is out
of the hospital after a heart procedure this past week,
and a reminder of the Baseball Hall of Fame inductions
are on Sunday. Five players were voted in this year,

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including Ichiro Suzuki, also honored at Cooper's Down this week,
CC Sabathia, and Billy Wagner. Oddity that Billy Wagner is
going to get into the Hall of Fame, a pitcher
who literally never started a game. Also, Dave Parker and
Dick Allen are in. Those two were elected by a committee.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve Seger. Segab
be back in just a few minutes with all sorts
of stuff that you missed throughout the day. Fox Sports
Radio erraitors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. By the way, Jamart, really quickly. We're going
to get to our NFC update in a second. But
a couple tweets in about Hulk Hogan. We were talking

(01:03:50):
about should the last few years, you know, impact his legacy.
Matd Max says a local sports talk radio guy here
in Atlanta called Hok Hogan the Babe Ruth of pro wrestling.
I assume that means just the original, one of a
kind Douglas. I think leans in where I do. I
could care less what Hogan did outside of wrestling. He
was a human who made mistakes, He had opinions. Who

(01:04:13):
cares who? Who was a hero. He will always be
a hero and always will be. Brendan said, Hulk Hogan's
legacy is undeniable. Yes, his behavior outside of WWEWCW was questionable,
but he appeared to have done one thing that makes
him me feel okay. He gave his life to Christ.
This happened no later than twenty twenty three. By the way,

(01:04:33):
I am a WWE fan too, so no want to
speak for everybody, but it does feel like the vast
majority of people can separate the icon inside the professional
wrestling ring with you know a couple things that have
happened over the last couple of years. Let's switch gears, though,
because this time every week from now until the start

(01:04:53):
of the season, we are going team by team giving
our over under previews and predictions. Last week we did
the NFC East. Today the fascinating NFC North, Mary, give
us a little bit of music, Brandon, what team are
we talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
First?

Speaker 10 (01:05:12):
All right, guys, like you just mentioned last week, you
did the NFC East. This week it's the NFC North,
and of course the Lions have the top wind total
ten and a half, one seed last year. A lot
of injuries already. I know Dan Campbell's already been talking
about that. Aaron, what are your thoughts on them? You know,
whether they'll regress or will they keep this engine going?

(01:05:33):
The last few years they've been very successful, especially in
the regular season, very successful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
They were my Super Bowl pick last year. Injuries warm down.
I'll be transparent. I love Dan Campbell, I love everything
that he's about. I gotta go under here. Listen. It's cliche,
but you lose two coordinators to head coaching jobs. One
coordinator you bring in. John Morton has been in oc
and really, frankly hasn't been that successful. The new DC

(01:06:00):
se Kelvin Shepherd was playing in the NFL five years ago.
Just crazy to me. And I would add the schedule
early is brutal. In the first six weeks of the season,
they play at Green Bay, at Baltimore, at Cincinnati at
Kansas City that doesn't include Bears at home. Browns at

(01:06:22):
home should be a breeze. So I think you can
fall behind the eight ball, and I just think it's
hard to play catch up from there. I'm gonna go
under a little bit of regression. I still like the team,
the talent, and I do like Dan Campbell. I just
think it's a lot to replace, especially on the coaching staff,
all right, J Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Yeah, yeah, So I think that the biggest point is
you lose both your coordinators, and even if Dan Campbell
is sort of the force and he's the culture center
which cannot be taken away and cannot be underestimated, there's
gonna be some changes. There have to be in that case.

(01:06:59):
And the only thing, the only thing that makes me
think maybe under is still a little pushing it is
that ten and a half's not that much. Like we're
not talking about like a twelve or something like that
kind of situation. I could easily see this team winning
eleven games, but man, I do not. I'm gonna I'm

(01:07:19):
gonna go against you because we didn't go against each other,
I don't think at all last week. So if for
no other reason than that I'm gonna go over. I
think they can win eleven games. I think that's probably
where I would have them slotted. It's gonna be it's
gonna be dependent on a lot of factors. That'll be
true for all teams. I still like a lot of
what this team is about, and so I'll go over

(01:07:42):
just by half game.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I'll just say this really quick and we'll get back
to Brandon. I think I went into my head in
my head saying I'm going under without really actually factoring
in the number, because.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Tens, not that I know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Number I know, and that's why I sort of instantly
had regret and I was like, they're really losing seven games, right,
But listen, I put it on the record, no going
back now, I'll take the under. I already don't feel
good about it. Brandon, who's up next?

Speaker 10 (01:08:09):
Well, also, last point there too is the lines under
is minus hots, the overs plus hots. So just that's
an FYI there for you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Aaron.

Speaker 10 (01:08:19):
Packers are next that nine point five, nine and a
half wins, and this one kind of shocked me. Nine
and a half over the Vikings over the Bears. I
don't know why, But what are your thoughts Jamie, are
you go first on this one?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
So I'm torn here because again that's a really low number,
but I'm down on them going into this year. I
just am I don't know about the quarterback right now.
I'm not so sure about Lafleur as a tough like coach.
It's a very very tough division. If somebody's gonna take
a step back, I think it's most likely to be then,
because I think the drubbing that they took from Philadelphia

(01:08:55):
that one might take some time to get over. And
you've seen some guys leave and move on, and you
just kind of I just I don't like. Just my
feeling about them is kind of sour. Just it's like
I need to take a Toms. When I start thinking
about the Green Bay Packers, I'm gonna go under, even
though that nine and a half is and that's not
gonna be good if you're a Packers fan. But I

(01:09:16):
just I just don't love them this year. I'm out
on the Packers. I'm I think that I think under
is the play.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Yeah, I'll be I'll be real is that I'm gonna
take the under as well. And it's funny because I
went back and looked, and you know, it's easy to
forget they won eleven games. Part of it is because
Detroit got the one seed. Minnesota won fourteen games. Here's
the truth on those eleven wins, though. They went one
in five against the division, swept by Minnesota, swept by Detroit,
split with Chicago. Here are their wins Indie, Tennessee, Houston,

(01:09:48):
and Jacksonville. They swept the AFC North, who was on
the schedule, one win against Chicago, who obviously wasn't very good,
one win against San Francisco late in the year when
the game when they were already tanking the season, one
win against New War. I mean, you go through the schedule,
there aren't a lot of great wins on the schedule.
They did beat the Los Angeles Rams in LA. That's
really kind of it though. And so I think, and

(01:10:10):
we'll talk a little bit about this, but obviously I
think everybody assumes the Vikings will take a little bit
of a regression because it's hard to win fourteen games
two years in a row. But I just think that
you look at who they actually beat, you look at
the fact that Chicago, in theory should be better, and
you look at the fact that again. You know you're
playing the uh, you're playing the cross division games with

(01:10:32):
like the NFC East, which obviously has some tough matchups,
and and the AFC West, which of course gives you
gives you some teams there as well, so they don't
play the whole AFC West, but you get the points.
So I'm going under, I'm with you, not a fan.
We're running. We're running quick. So we'll be quick on
these last two, which is unfortunate because they're two great teams.

(01:10:52):
But Brandon, go ahead, who's next?

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Vikings eight and a half? Aaron, you go first on
this one. Yeah, So I'll be real Listen. Obviously, JJ
McCarthy not only the biggest question on this team, I
think maybe the biggest question in this division or and
maybe in the NFL excuse me, you know, and depending
on what report you hear, it's you know, it's differing.
You know, today he looks good, yesterday he looked terrible.

(01:11:15):
Whatever you said, what'd you say? Eight and a half?
Eight and a half, yep, you know, I'm actually gonna
take the over. And it's because one, I just think
that Sam Darnold was a byproduct of Kevin O'Connell more
than anything else. I don't think the drop off is
going to be that big. And then also you look
at this schedule, you know it's kind of the reverse
of the Lions. First five games include Falcons, Bengals, Steelers, Browns.

(01:11:42):
By the way, they do have to play two straight
games in London, which is kind of weird, but like
I looked it up, their first eight games they play
one true road game. Again, there's a couple of games
in London. I'm gonna go over eight and a half.
I think even nine and eight is in play there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
See, I'm do you. I'll make it quick. I love
the coach and that's the first thing. First thing I
look at is just like I feel like he's a
stabilizing force for them. I think he's going to be
exactly the kind of guy that will keep JJ McCarthy
right in line with where he needs him to be.
They've got a ton of skill talent there. I thought
last year was kind of a bit of a down
year certainly for them. I think they step back up.

(01:12:17):
I think they will replace the Packers this year as
being the other team to really pay attention to in
that division.

Speaker 10 (01:12:23):
Last one be Yep, Bears eight and a half, same
win total as the Vikings. J Mart, you go first,
I'm going under.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
I would like to think they would be better than that,
but I just I think there's just a lot of
new pieces. It's going to take some time. I don't
want to overrate or anything that's happening at Camp. I
know it haven't been great for Caleb so far, but
I just there's just a lot of new faces in
new places, and they're all right there in Chicago, So
I think it's going to take a little bit of time.

(01:12:52):
But I think you're going to see some real positive
things from them. But I think I think they're likely
to be about an eight win team.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
I'll differ, just go over, maybe not significantly. If I'm
taking the Packers under, I'll take them over.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
I'll just be quick on this. But you look at
the schedule. In theory, they could get off to a
reasonably hot start. Do have Vikings at Lions, but then
you get the Cowboys, Raiders, you get Saints early in
the year, you get the Giants early in the year. Yeah,
And I just think it's such a coaching upgrade. And
I know Caleb Williams hasn't been great. We could do

(01:13:26):
a whole ten minute, fifteen to twenty minute segment just
on the Bears and the mixed reports that have come
out of their training camp so far. I will go
a slight over because I just think the coaching can't
be much worse than it was a year I don't
think that in any way could be worse than it
was a year ago. So I will say over. So
it sounds like, let's see if I remember this correctly,
I have Lions under Packers, under Vikings over Bears over

(01:13:53):
j mart you have Lions over Vikings over Packers, under
Bears under. So good. We different on two We different
on the lines, we different on the Bears. We will
see what happens next week. We'll be back NFC South
interesting division to say the least. We'll preview that next week.
But speaking to next, Steve Desager, the extended update, everything

(01:14:16):
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Speaker 7 (01:15:00):
We'll get to the NFL in a moment, But sir,
I do I did find another Rockies item?

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Oh okay, between place.

Speaker 7 (01:15:08):
Oh yeah, that's mostly a hard place for this team
this year. We mentioned the Rockies lost earlier tonight eighteen
nothing at Baltimore. So their record this year twenty seven
and seventy seven with no end in sight. At some point,
they're going to get to the end of the schedule.
I just it doesn't seem like it's ever going to
get here. But they had a trade getting rid of
an infielder, Ryan McMahon from Fame Modern Day High School

(01:15:30):
in southern California. This week he'd been an infielder for
almost a decade for the Rockies, gets dealt to the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Yes, Stats Inc.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
Looks up and compares his career stats, because it is
well known that your offensive stats are better if you
play in Colorado at Corsfield. Okay, well, it turned out
that for Ryan McMahon's career, sixty two percent of his
RBIs came at home. How striking is that they compared
it with basically everybody else who's ever played baseball in

(01:15:59):
the entire live ball era, going back one hundred years.
They looked at a list of everyone who had at
least four hundred career RBIs like this guy does. Only
one other player had a higher percentage of his rbi
is coming home. Ever, ever, that's crazy, and that one
other player was a former All Star for the Rockies.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Godless, that's funny.

Speaker 7 (01:16:23):
So this year's Colorado team again truly wretched. I looked
it up. The batting average at home to sixty when
they don't get to play at coors Field. The team
batting average is two toh eight for the season. And
this guy that was just traded, Ryan McMahon, was batting
two seventeen overall. This year, even with half his games

(01:16:46):
at coors Field and a two forty career hitter ouch
to the NFL the preseason schedule, guys starts thirst Thursday,
July thirty. First is almost day, That is correct?

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Whoa the Hall of Fame game? Right?

Speaker 7 (01:17:01):
Lions Chargers in the Hall of Fame game. Everybody else
starts up in August for exhibition games. But the Houston
Texans this summer did sign running back Nick Chubb. Good thing,
it turns out, because running back Joe Mixon will miss
extended camp time with a foot injury. He'll be reevaluated
closer to opening day in September. Injury for the Titans.

(01:17:22):
Today at practice, NFL Network says wide receiver Trailon Burks
broke his collar bone that he was hurt diving for
a pass. Jets quarterback Justin Fields returned to limited practice
today after a dislocated toe this week. All is not
lost people. Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford is week to week
with a bad back and will not return to practice

(01:17:42):
on Monday. The Rams backup QB is Jimmy Garoppolo. Bears
rookie wide receiver Luther Burden missed practice again with his
hamstring injury. The Dolphins lost Already Burns to a torn
ACL so they've signed two defensive backs, Mike Hilton and
Jack Jones. The Vikings gave safety Josh mttellisa three year
extension where twenty five million dollars guaranteed a note on

(01:18:04):
a game. In Major League Soccer today, most of the
games in the last couple of years have been streaming
only because of their Apple contract. It's a league that
has largely disappeared from your regular cable channels. FS one
had a game and it was with Miami Lionel Messi's team.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Today, it's a hot topic in the internet streets right now.
So what happened?

Speaker 7 (01:18:26):
We had the MLS All Star Game this last Wednesday
and Miami sat two of its stars did not have
them play in the All Star Game. So by rule,
the MLS says, if you don't play in our All
Star Game, you don't play the very next game on
the schedule for your team. Lionel Messi had to sit
in the stands with his teammate Jordi Alba and serve

(01:18:48):
a one game suspension today. While FS one had a
game that finished zero zero Miami against Cincinnati. Wow in
women's soccer, Fox TV as the Eurofinal on Sunday. What
a matchup noon Eastern Time, Spain, the defending Women's World
Cup champion against England, which won the last Euro tournament. England,

(01:19:08):
amazingly is still alive in this tourney. They won their
semi finally in overtime against Italy, tying the game in
the ninety six minute, scored again with a minute left
in the ot and England in its quarterfinals scored two
late goals and then one on penalty kicks. Even though
they were stopped on three of their penalty kicks in
a row, they still wound up the advancing So it's

(01:19:28):
England Spain in the Eurofinal for women's soccer Tomorrow. Also
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Just four races left in the IndyCar season. PGA Tour
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on Fox TV.

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I know there's a lot of excitement with that Pristal
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out We mentioned golf by the way, well tell you

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haven't seen it, cover your ears. But we have a
lot to discuss with the movie that has certainly the
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(01:21:32):
something interesting to talk about, so, and I should give
the caveat maybe potentially some spoilers here in the next
few minutes. So if you have not seen Happy Gilmore
Too yet, Happy Gilmore To dropped on Friday on Netflix.
A lot of people have watched it, just based on
the reaction that I've seen in my social circles. Whatever,

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But yeah, so Happy Gilmore Too. We're gonna be talking
about it over the next few minutes. If you have
not seen it and you do not want spoilers, hate
to say it, it's going to be kind of hard
to avoid them, so maybe turned just listen. You won't
miss too much. But obviously the first movie came out
in nineteen ninety six, there had been no follow up.
We talked about this last week. I actually thought the

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fact that they waited this long when clearly they could
have done it five years after the first one, ten
years after the first one, fifteen years after the first one.
I was hoping that it would work out well and
that the movie would be pretty good. I enjoyed it.
I have a lot of reasons why. I will explain
them momentarily, But what was your take. I know you

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had a chance to watch it on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Afternoon, So last week I said, just prepare to be disappointed.
And I think that's a smart way to approach something
like this, especially after twenty nine years. If you go
in expecting this to be better than the first one,
or even as good as the first one, you're going
to be disappointed. There was not going to be a chance.

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And there have been a lot of these where they
have tried to make a sequel way after the original,
and it's been a dumpster fire. It's been an absolute disaster.
Dumb and Dumber being an example of one. The Mask
was an example of one. I just named two to
Jim Carrey movies. But there are a lot of other
examples of this. This is not one of those. I
do not think this is great by any means, but

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I think it's I think it's decent, and it's fan
service for those with nostalgia for the original because and look,
I'm one of those. Like I told you this earlier,
I told my wife this too today. I was a
massive fan of the original. Actually, that and Billy Madison both.

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I owned them both on VHS, yes, kids, that's a thing, videotape.
And I had friends and we would watch Happy Gilmore
probably twice a week for years. Wow. I mean I
watched it. I knew the think by heart, like top
to bottom. We watched it more than Billy Mattison. Actually,
the sports tie in was more more my bag, as

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it always has been. But I loved the film. I did.
I thought that it landed. I remember watching it at
the theater that I worked at. As a matter of fact,
I worked at the movie theater that ran Happy Gilmore
when I was in high school, and just I remember
seeing it being blown away by just it was better
than I thought it was going to be, and it
was just super entertaining, and so I did not go

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into this like feeling like this was going to be just,
you know, out of this world. But at the same time,
I just thought, all right, just do the original film
justice in terms of don't give us a bad feeling
about Happy gilmore long term, because sometimes you can watch

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something and it can completely ruin how you felt about
the original. Probably the most recent example of this is Joker,
the Todd Phillips film with Joaquin Phoenix. The first film
was I mean, it changed a lot, it changed a
lot of perceptions, and it was an incredible movie in
a lot of respects. And then the sequel, which I

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don't think Todd Phillips even wanted to make, you know,
really dumped all over the first one and wrecked everything
about the original movie. So it's a thing that can
be done. I can very gleefully tell you that's not
the case here. While I don't think this is a
film I'm going to rewatch a million times or anything
like that from the first one, as long as you

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go into it with measured expectations to shut your brain
off and just enjoy it and kind of maybe take
you back to a time where comedy didn't have to
make any kind of sense. It wasn't trying to make
any kind of statement. It was just trying to be funny.
Not every joke lands, but not every joke in virtually
any comedy that's ever been made lands. The one critique

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and then I want to hear some of what you
have to say. The one thing that they did try
to do virtually every joke that they did from the original,
and they tried to show flashbacks of everything so you
would remember, and then they would say, oh, yeah, so
this is why we're doing this again. A little bit
on the nose for my taste, Like I kind of
wish there had been a little bit more original stuff

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as opposed to continually trying to play every single hit,
Like not every hit on the album needs to be played,
just a couple with all the shows. But outside of that,
it was just entertaining. I think the best way to
say it is just it was an easy watch, Aaron.
It was easy to watch. I laughed a few times.

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It was cool to just kind of see all the
people that popped up in various roles. The cameo list
is outrageous, as you would expect. It's Adam Sandler and
his friends. That's what his movies have been for a
long long time. But this could have been far worse
than it was. Like, I'm glad that I saw this,
and I don't think that it it wrecked the legacy

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of the franchise, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
So I kind of have the same perspective that you did.
I think the way you put it, and it sounds negative,
but it isn't of it could have been a lot
worse than it was. Is I don't think sounds as
bad as it is. And what I would say is
I feel like anyone and again I mentioned this off
the top, Jmard, I know you're not as plugged into

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social media anymore whatever, but it was like I would say,
probably the reaction that I've seen is probably sixty five
percent of the camp of you and I and I
would say about thirty to thirty five percent of worst
movie ever.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Yeah, I think that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
And it's like, what were you if you came in
expecting Casablanca or Sound of Music or the Original Godfather
or you know, AMC top five movies of all time? Yeah,
you're going to be disappointed, but you probably should have

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watched the old Happy Gilmore before you tune this on.
The original Happy Gilmore was a lot of things. It
was very funny, it was whatever. It wasn't casablaca or
a sound of music. It was goofy and it was whatever.
And I think so many of the things that you
said were my takeaways. Is one. I just it reminded

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me of a nineties comedy that doesn't get made anymore
of it's really goofy. Listen. There was a lot of
sophomore humor, if that's what you want to call it.
But guess what, Happy Gilmore is kind of a you know,
sophomore guy. I mean, I don't think he's a you know,
reading Shakespeare in his free time. The last time that

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I watched Happy Gilmour one, So I just I thought
it checked all the boxes. Is It wasn't the greatest
thing ever, but it was really goofy. It was a
nineties comedy. Not everything made perfect sense, Not everything had
to make sense to your point, every joke didn't land.

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That's okay, by the way, when you said that, I
thought of we didn't even get a chance to talk
about it last week. But the Shane Gillis monologue at
the Aspies, right, It's like every joke didn't land. Guess what,
anyone who has literally ever been to a live comedy
show knows that not every joke does. It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
Okay, dude, not every radio segment lands, dingo. Not not
every take works. Sometimes something sound better in your head
and then you accidentally say them out loud and you realize,
oh no, that was not That was not what I
thought it was gonna be. Like Nobody's bat in a
thousand here. Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
What I really liked about it was a couple of things.
Is one, it stayed true to what it is, goofy stupid,
maybe too stupid at some points. Whatever doesn't totally you know, crow,
It's not a it's not a perfect, you know, example
of what would happen in real life. But it's not
supposed to be. I think, listen, I don't want to

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go too far down this road. But there seemed to
be no other agenda other than making you laugh and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
N There absolutely was not that you're not there's not
a seems to be like no, this this was when
movies were there. You know what the best movie this
year is?

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
I don't want it's f one, Okay, I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
It's because it's like Top Gun was a couple of
years ago. Even if you're not, and I've become a
huge F one fan, but even if you're not, it
doesn't matter. You go to that movie and you're like, man,
I felt like I just watched the movie from the eighties.
I felt like I just watched the movie from the nineties,
even the early two thousands. Like you just go You're entertained.
It's fast paced, it's fun, you got characters to root for,

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and it's not trying to push anything down your throat.
There have been some other good movies this year that
have been able to do that as well, but F
One is the best film of the year when it
comes to just being what a movie is supposed to be.
And the only reason I mentioned that in this conversation
is because what you wanted Happy Gilmore Too to be.
If you remember what Adam Sandler did back in the

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early days of his post SNL career, that's what this is,
for better or worse. There's some things about it I
wish weren't there. There's some things about it that I'm
glad were there. Some decisions that they made that I
really liked, and some things that made me roll my eyes.
That's just the way it is. Man. Here's what it was,
not grown ups and grown ups too, and the Coming

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to America retread and all that stuff like. There are
really a ton of examples of the aging stars, like
fifty eight year old Adam Sandler and things like that.
Even his friends who've come out and tried to make
other movies and they've just stunk out loud. This doesn't
And a lot of the people from those films are
in this because they're his friends. But I do think,

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without trying to pick nits on it, this was just
a return to when movies were there simply to entertained.
Their purpose was to entertain the person who bought the
ticket or in this case, had the subscription and used
their time for two hours to sit down and watch something,
and they had one goal in mind, and the person

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that sat down had one reason to watch this, and
those two things were in sync. Now, if the jokes
don't land for you, they don't land for you, but
they're there, and they're not presented mean spirited, and they're
not presented to do anything else but make you laugh.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Yes, a couple other things that stand out to me
that I really liked. Without giving away too much, essentially
every prominent golfer probably that is alive right now outside
of Tiger Wood spoiler alert is in the movie. I
won't give away too much of who was in or

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what they did, but I thought that was awesome, and
I you know, I was thinking about this, and I again,
I'm not going to try to make Happy Gilmour too
into something that it wasn't. But I thought it was like,
weirdly a celebration of golf in a strange way. But
then also I think you could tell what this movie

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meant to current actual golfers that they wanted to be
part of it, you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:33:17):
It's like I'm guessing all of the guys that were
in the movies, you know, pick a prominent golfer. We
don't have to name names, but probably somewhere in like
the twenty eight to thirty eight year old range, like
that's where the best golfers in the world are. Their
prime is kind of early thirties whatever. They all probably
grew up with this original and they were probably all,

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you know, tickled sounds like something my grandma would say,
but like they were probably like really excited.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
To say, American one thing you do want to include it?

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Your guy's fair fair fair. Yeah, yeah, I hadn't really
thought of it from that perspective, but that's fair. But yes,
pick the prominent current American golfers and even some of
the historically great ones. They are in it. But I
felt like it seemed to me like something that these
golfers were excited to be part of. Does that make
sense to you? Like, and that to me is kind

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of a cool thing. It's just they're there. You know,
they're there real selves, but they're being a goofy version
of themselves because they're in this goofy movie. And I
really enjoyed that part of it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
Yeah, I think I think everything he said is right.
Like I do think they all have some nostalgia for
it and wanted to be a part of it. And
all of them played their roles. Some had larger roles
than others, certainly, but uh, it just there was definitely
a sense that nobody was phoning it in for a cameo.
Like the guys that were representing golf showed themselves really

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well and were willing to take a joke about themselves
in some cases really really effectively, or playoff or real
life events really really effectively. There were a couple of
really nice gags and a really like really good one liner,
but again, like, yeah, if it's an American golfer that
has existed over the past twenty five years, there's a

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good chance that they're in this film in some kind
of a noteworthy role. And then like if you go
through and you look at the credits, you see like
Chris Shellios, the famous NHL or is just in the
crowd in one of the shots and things like that.
And then of course, look, you want to go pro
wrestling real quick. I mean Maxwell Jacob Friedman plays one

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of his sons, and then Becky Lynch is on the
Maxi Golf team. That's a WWE wrestler and an ae
W wrestler in the same movie. So that's a thing
that you can also point to. But there's I mean,
there's just a million things, and there's some Easter eggs
and things that you don't pick up maybe originally, and

(01:35:48):
then you kind of look at it again and you
can see it. But yeah, I mean there's definitely who's
who here, and I do think a lot of it
is like it's almost more about how many people are
in it than it is anything that's happening. Stories, you know,
not particularly deep, nor does it have to be. I
think that there will be some varying opinions on the

(01:36:09):
choice that they made at the beginning, Yeah, to kind
of set the stage to kind of reset everything to
where there's something we're happy to go after. Again, I
don't know how I felt about that. I like, through
the rest of the day I've seen like I understand
why they did that in order to set up everything

(01:36:30):
else that was going on, but I'm not sure. Like
it was watching that where I did think to myself
and I don't necessarily think that this film, well not necessarily.
I know this film didn't need to exist. Like you
go back to the original, you can see I mean,
it had a great ending and it leaves you on
that happy note where you can see the future for

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Happy and his family and everything that's happening, and you
can envision that and you can play that out in
your mind forever and not have to see it played
out in front of you and unfortun you know, that
kind of comes crashing down early in the film, but
at the same time, you get a redemption arc later
that is absolutely phenomenal. And anybody that remembers the Shooter

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McGavin character at all, let's just say, without saying anything else,
that Christopher MacDonald might be the highlight of the entire film.
Like he is absolutely perfect. He like that character goes
down the analys. The Shooter McGavin character is as one
of those that you're just never gonna forget if you
were alive during that time frame. He was such a

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great antagonist. And he comes back and it's just it's awesome,
and he just he plays it to a t. It's perfect,
and that to me really helps out the movie. Like
I think it goes above being just mediocre to be
in you know, it's it's decent to pretty good. If
you go into it with the right expectations and you
have the right frame of nostalgia and you remember when

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movies were movies and they weren't trying to force anything
down your gullet.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Well, rap give it a grade. I'll just I'll say
really quick, I just give it a solid B plus. Again,
if you went in expecting a cinematic masterpiece, probably not
for you, but you're probably an idiot. For thinking that
it was going to redefine cinema as we knew it.

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So I love the cameos, I love the goofiness, I
loved I loved the I actually liked the callbacks to
the original because I'll be honest, I haven't seen the
original a while. And listen, there are you know, characters
that obviously the real character has since passed away, and
they figure out a way to work in a friend
or a relative or this or that. But but even

(01:38:41):
some of the things like that, I actually enjoyed the
flashbacks just to kind of reset my brain as well.
But I give a solid B plus. Like you said,
I don't think that you know. I'm gonna run home
and watch it for a second time the second that
we get off air, and I'll watch it a third
time this week when I have nothing going on. But
it was a fun Friday night. And I'll wrap by saying,

(01:39:04):
I hope we get more movies like this. Not not
necessarily happy to go more three, but just hey, it's
okay to just be stupid and have fun and crack
jokes and don't worry if one joke doesn't land and
you offend somebody. I had a fun Friday night with
my wife. You know, we made some popcorn, we put
down our phones. I had a fun Friday night. How
would you grade it?

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Yeah, you know, and I think the way you just
phrased it kind of makes me think even more positively
about it. I was probably in the sea range. Again,
it's average to pretty good somewhere in that neighborhood. But
I think I'm gonna give it a B minus because
I think that have fun, you know, laugh, don't worry
about every little thing clicking and all those kinds of things.
How much of it lands for you? How much fun

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can you have spotting everybody and being shocked by a
couple of the people that pop up at least in
the roles that they show up in, and all that
kind of stuff, and when you leave it, or you
just like what a waste of time? No, you don't,
because I do think that, as you said, it's a
fun Friday night. It's not trying to cure disease or
change anything.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
It's just tell you how to feel about global warming,
exactly whatever, exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
The agenda is simply to be fun and as long
as you don't go into it toostodgily. I think it
accomplishes that goal, so it gets a higher grade for
me than I anticipated weeks ago. I thought, yeah, this
is probably really going to turn out to not have
been a grand idea. I pull back on that, and

(01:40:33):
I think a B minus is right around or B
minus somewhere in that neighborhood. I thought it was fun
and there's no reason to really poke so many holes
in everything anymore. Let's be a little optimistic out there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:44):
There you go. We somehow got through twenty one minutes
without really giving away any spoilers.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
We certainly tried.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
Yeah, well, we did it for you the audience. By
the way, we mentioned earlier with Hulk Hogan. If you
have any thoughts, you can tweet us in at Aaron
Underscore Tour as I'm twitter at Jmart Radio. What the heck,
I'll give out the phone number two if anybody's got
any hot takes on on Happy Gilmore. The phone number
is one eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox one

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brought to my attention, as Kendrick Perkin turns uh. Perk

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Just actually you probably will. We'll get to that in
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Steve the Seger, what is.

Speaker 7 (01:42:19):
Trending something up in the Atlanta Braves game today tonight?
I should say they did lose in ten inning, six
or five at Texas Rangers have won five in a row.
Michael Harris of the Braves had four hits. When he'd
had three hits, he'd had a double, a triple, and
a home run. He only needed a single in the
last at bet to hit for the cycle. He hit

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it to left field. The left fielder tried to make
the catch running up and missed it, and in a
tie game, of course, Michael Harris didn't stay at first.
He wound up with a triple as the ball went
toward the wall. Turns out, it's actually statistically much more
difficult to finish a game with two triples and a
homer than it is to hit for the cycle. He

(01:42:59):
finished with a double, two triples, and a homer. Turns out,
going back to the year nineteen hundred, guys hit for
the cycle over three hundred times in Major League history,
but this two triples and a homer seventy three times,
so take that. Rangers d h Jock Peterson will return
Sunday after a broken hand. Dodgers lost four to two

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at Boston, but Mookie bats Dodger Alfielder ex of Boston,
did not start again, but returned. He'd been out for
personal reasons, apparently a death in the family. He did
arrive during the game came on as a pinch hitter
in the ninth and struck out to end the game.
By the way, if you hadn't heard, Fenway Park's food
workers are on strike there this weekend. Dodger reliever Blake

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Trining will be activated by Monday. Dodger starting pitcher Blake'snell
at Triple A tonight four and two third, scoreless innings,
no hits allowed. He had seven strikeouts, four walks. Garrett Crochet,
Boston All Star pitcher, got the win against LA four
to tonight twelve and for his record, he struck out
ten and six innings. Clayton Kershaw the loss. Shoey Otania
bell I did have a leadoff homer, his thirty eighth

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home run of the season, but the Dodger lead in
the NLS, down to five games over San Diego, was
a nine game lead just a few weeks ago. Padres
ended a four game losing streak with a victory at
Saint Louis three to one, Cards with just three hits.
The Mets won their sixth game in a row, two
to one at San Francisco and still a half game
lead over the Phillies, who beat the Yankees in New

(01:44:24):
York today nine to four. The big news from New
York not the acquisition of infielder Ahmed Rizzario, although that
did happen from Washington tonight. Baseball's tread deadline comes up Thursday.
Aaron Judge, Yankees outfielder, was placed on the injured list
with a strained elbow. The late game tonight had Seattle
winning seven to two at the Angels. Cal Raley of

(01:44:44):
the Mariners hit his fortieth home run of the year.
The record for most home runs in a season by
a catcher is forty eight, set by Salvador Perez four
years ago. Cleveland and Kansas City had a game rained
out yesterday, so doubleheader today. In the first game, Kansas
City hit a three run homer in the tenth to
win against The Guardian's closer, Emmanuel Class, but Cleveland took

(01:45:07):
the nightcap and Classe got the save. The Cubs won
in a game that was scoreless through six. They won
six to one at the White Sox, while Milwaukee was
beaten at home by Miami seven to four. So the
Brewers and the Cubs are tied for first in the
NL Central and Miami, by the way, has won twenty
of its last twenty eight games. Toronto has won nineteen
of its last twenty three. Toronto won six to one

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at Detroit, and it's been a horrendous couple weeks for
the Detroit Tigers and they've lost six in a row.
This is a game that with Trek Scubel on the metal,
was scoreless through seven, six to one for the visitors.
Though the final, the Tiger offense went two for twenty
nine with thirteen strikeouts. Pittsburgh and Cincinnati each won Baltimore
eighteen to nothing over Colorado. The Rockies offense was two

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for twenty eight at the plate. Colorado's record twenty seven
and seventy seven wins for the A's and Washington in
the NFL TI and Swide receiver trail On Burks, according
to NFL Network, broke his collar bone in practice today.
Texans running back Joe Mixon will Mis extended camp time
with a foot injury. WNBA wins for Washington and for

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La on a layup at the buzzer at New York.
Breonna Stewart of New York left early with a leg injury.
A reminder. In women's soccer, the Eurofinals on Fox TV
Sunday noon Eastern Time, Spain against England, and we do
have the live golf stop in the UK ready for
its final round not too long away. It's Joaquin Neeman
leading by six. Fox TV has Sunday's IndyCar Race in Monterey,

(01:46:34):
Northern California's road Course and a reminder of the Baseball
Hall of Fame inductions are Sunday five players in this
year back to you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Thank you very much, Steve Sagar, have a great evening,
back tomorrow, back as always. Okay, Arnie Spanier, he'll be there,
Chris Plank, Mark Willard Ephraim yep, okay, perfect, wel we'll
take back to normal, back to normal, whatever normal is?
Is there ever normal? When Arnie Spaniers on the schedule,
I think, I think we all know the end.

Speaker 7 (01:47:01):
I think that's Roman numeral fifty two. Ever normal.

Speaker 1 (01:47:05):
I like how we can make that joke. But the
audience also gets it because Arnie tweets out his rundown
every single week.

Speaker 7 (01:47:11):
So if handwritten Romo numerals on a yellow legal.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Fan, once we get past V I I that's seven.
After that, I'm a little bit lost.

Speaker 9 (01:47:19):
Arnie.

Speaker 7 (01:47:20):
Yeah, that's why I thought that maybe the Super Bowl
by this time would go with actually numbers that we
know they had a chance at fifty once they didn't
do it there, I guess, I guess they're never going
to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:30):
All right, Well, thank you to Segrev A great evening.
We'll listen to you tomorrow with the Fellas. Let's switch
gears because we got to talk about someone. I don't
know how to say this, but I don't even know
how to set up this this sound. But I've said
it a million times, you and I on air when

(01:47:51):
Luka Doncic and a Seger was here with us, and
when Luka Doncic was traded from the Dallas Mavericks to
the Los Angeles Lakers, just you know, obviously a stunning move.
The takes started flying, and the takes frankly never really stopped. Well,
one guy who's never afraid to say what he has
to say. I don't really know what to make of it.

(01:48:13):
It's Kendrick Perkins. So Kendrick Perkins obviously a front facing
member at ESPN if you watch ESPN at all, pretty
critical of Luka Doncicz throughout the playoffs, throughout his entire time,
and basically when the Lakers lost, kind of put all
the blame on him anyway. I want to play some

(01:48:34):
sound both from during the NBA playoffs, but then also
what Kendrick Perkins had to say about Luca this week. Mary,
go ahead, play us the first sound from Luca. Kendrick
Perkins on Luca during the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (01:48:49):
Luca, a lot of people may whisper behind your back,
but damn it, I'm gonna say it to your face.
It's time for you to stand on business.

Speaker 1 (01:48:56):
Tom, for you to stand on business. I'm not gonna
say it by in your back. I'm gonna say it
to your face. That was what Kendrick Perkins was saying,
what three months ago.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
And he went on to talk about how he's slow,
he's out of shape, he didn't play defense, and this
was after he had had like thirty some points in
the game that night.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
Yeah, well he was Perk was very much in the
JJ Reddick Championship shape. You know, can't blame anything on
Lebron part of the narrative. Well, it's funny how much
things have changed for Kendrick Perkins. Remember Luka, Doncis has
not played a game in three months. This this week
is what Kendrick Perkins had to say about Luca.

Speaker 9 (01:49:38):
I'm betting on Luca Doncis to win the MVP next season.
This is the type of commitment that I want to
see from a great player like Luca. I want to
see the videos of him working out. I want to
see that he's taken accountability for us losing weight and
getting in shape.

Speaker 1 (01:49:56):
So that was Kendrick Perkins three months apart, zero games
played in between from Luca. You gotta stand on business too.
He is the MVP of this league. I'm putting it
on the record right now. What do you gotta say
about that, Jim?

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
I mean I alerted you to this because it was
just another example. Is like, dude, Kendrick, which one did
you mean? Like? Which one of them was true? Which
one of them was? You? You know, help him protect
your guy? And we all know who that guy is,
because he's got plenty of people seemingly protecting him right now,

(01:50:34):
saying all sorts of things to help his legacy out
and all these kinds of things cover for certain things
that are happening in his career and all that kind
But like Luke was out of shape and now he's
in shape. Is that? Is that what we're hearing or
whatever like this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Like Ben Simmons made two threes in a row in
a work summer workout video, so now he's awesome. Is
that the equivalent of this?

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Yeah, essentially. Yeah, it's like I guess like JaMarcus Russell,
you know, threw again off his knees in shorts, and
so now he's going to win, you know, twelve games
this year for the Raiders. I don't I don't understand
any of this, like it just I hate the fact

(01:51:19):
that you have to keep on saying like if you
want to know why us being overexposed as people, there's
here's a prime example of it. Like, first off, Kenderick
Perkin is not very good anyway in my opinion, just mine. Look,
don't be grudging for making money. If they want to
put him on TV, that's that's that's their decision to make.
And good for him for maximizing the opportunities that you're getting.

(01:51:42):
But you you're on TV so much that you completely
go against your own point within three months because it's
like with no information said this other thing, with no
new information, no new information at all, like nothing nothing
to indicate anything, Like I'm picking him for MVP. You
mean the guy that you wanted to make sure he

(01:52:04):
stood on business three months ago, the guy that you
said was a defensive liability and it now made sense.
And like you you actually that night were basically saying
that it made sense for Dallas to want to trade
him away. That's the guy that you're saying is gonna
be the MVP. Because the dude that's gonna be the
MVP of the league's probably not somebody that you should
be arguing it was a good trade for that team

(01:52:25):
to make. And this was not this was he said
this the night of. He didn't say this after they
won the lottery and you get Cooper Flagg and then
you could start talking about, well, maybe with Cooper Flagg,
we're gonna see a lot of things change that No,
we can't even go there. Man like Kendrick Perkins is
just another example of this. He's not the only one.
And yeah, we're taking this shot at him right now,

(01:52:46):
but that's just because we just played two pieces of
audio separated by about ninety days where he went from
he's the reason why Lebron can't win right now to
he's gonna be the MVP of the league this year. Like,
what are we doing. How can if I listened to
that first thing, why am I listening to you at
all at that point? Like I know, at that point,

(01:53:07):
I'm just watching someone talking that doesn't even believe what
they say, because you can't be that hypocritical that fast.
You just can't be. But we see it all all
the time in media right now.

Speaker 1 (01:53:20):
Well, and I'll just put a ball on it by
saying I was out on Ketrick Perkins after and I
think I've told this story to you on air, but
it was Luca related. It was we all spent three
months trying to figure out the Luca trade and how
it made sense and how do you get a star
in his primarily giving up one first round pick for

(01:53:41):
the brutal Anthony Davis, And no one could figure out
how the trade was so one sided in the favor
of the Lakers, And so the Lakers lose to the
first round of the playoffs. And again, can't blame Lebron
for you know, he kind of looked like a forty
year old kind of a forgettable series. And so I'm
I remember watching one of the shows and Kendrick Perkins

(01:54:03):
the day after the the day after the Lakers got
eliminated had the audacity to say something to the effect that,
I'm paraphrasing of the Lakers didn't get enough in the
Luka doncicch trade.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Yeah, And he.

Speaker 1 (01:54:17):
Was like, well, how come they couldn't get Daniel Gafford
in the trade? They needed another big guy And it's
like what and like, I'll say this, like when everyone
else on set, I mean everyone was like stunned. I
remember watching it and like I don't want to call
people out, but stephen A was like, I can't believe
this guy just said this on air. Like I forget
who the other, whether it was Legler or Windhorse or whatever,

(01:54:38):
but it was like, did he really just say that
the Lakers didn't get enough? And I think his argument was, well,
the MAVs called the Lakers to gauge interest in Luca
and he's like, well, you had the leverage, you could
have gotten more. And everyone on set was like, I
can't believe this dude just said this on National TV.
So another glowing week for Kendrick Perkins. In the media,

(01:55:00):
he says that he Luka Doncic is his preseason MVP.
This after not playing any games in three months and
oh by the way, basically crushing Luka Doncic at every
chance that he got throughout the time that he was
with the Lakers. Fox Sports radio er Tors Jason Martin,
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios, will come back,

(01:55:21):
put a bow on the show. One segment left. We
still got a lot to discuss. Welcome back, everybody, Fox
Sports Radio er Torris Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
Fox Sports Radio Studios. One segment left. Bernie Frado will
follow us ten minutes from now two am Eastern. Cannot
wait to hear what Bernie has to say about a

(01:55:42):
busy week NFL training camps, open college football. I know
Bernie's got a ton of good stuff on all of that.
Speaking of which, speaking of us, if you missed any
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posted after we get off air. All right, want to
wrap the show. By the way, earlier in the show
we did talk Happy Gilmore two got an interesting text.

(01:56:26):
I don't think he would mind me sharing it, and
if he does, well, you know what, I'll talk to
him off air. Iowa Sam, Hey, look at that texted me.
I gave Happy Gilmore To a B plus. By the way,
we talked about it. Make sure to download the podcast.
He said, B plus question mark. It was dog expletive
and I had low expectations going in. It was boring

(01:56:49):
and bloated, didn't need to be made. Turned it off
with thirty five minutes left. When you turn it off
because it's over, you know, it's bad, waste of time.
It wasn't funny. F Iowa Sam. I've never heard Iowa
Sam like be mad about anything. Like nicest person in
the world. Hated Happy Gilmore too. I don't know. I

(01:57:12):
just it's it's just it's hard for me. I just
I don't know what people were expect like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
I actually, look, I agree, I agree with one thing
that he said, and I said this too. It didn't
need to be made. I mean, there's there's no question
about that. It was not a film that needed a sequel.
It had a good open ending where you your imagination
can take it where it needs to, like We're Happy
goes off into the sunset with Virginia and you know
everything else. It did not need to be made, Like,

(01:57:40):
I don't know that Happy Gilmore Too justified its own
existence either. I gave it to be minus on the
merits of just being what it was. But again, if
you go into it with any kind of expectation, even
of living up to the first one, then you're gonna
be disappointed. But if you go into it with nostalgia
glasses on and with the brain shut off, just to

(01:58:03):
see what can be entertained and remember a couple of
things maybe from your childhood or for me my teenage
years or whatever like that, I think that you get
that I do. And I'm trying to think in the
last thirty five minutes, if I was Sam might have
missed a couple of things that would have been worth
it to him. And I think probably so, even though
the ending was just kind of like when the ending came,

(01:58:24):
it was just sort of over, and I was kind
of hoping it was going to hit a little harder
than that. But yeah, you know, it was what it was, man,
It came and went, but it was not like a
disaster or an embarrassment, which I think it easily could
have been.

Speaker 1 (01:58:38):
I agree with you. Our sentiments have been shared on
Happy Gilmore too. If you miss that, you can download
the podcast jam or. I don't really got much else.
I mean, we do have a Hall of Fame game Thursday.
Will you tune in for at least half a minute
Chargers Lions. I don't expect Justin Herbert to be throwing
thirty five passes in this one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
Yeah, I don't know, man, I haven't watched the Hall
of Fame game in years. Arnie says he absolutely loves it,
which tells me that probably explains why I don't watch
it all that regularly.

Speaker 1 (01:59:11):
Arnie probably hated Happy Gilmour too, That'll be my guess.
As well.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
He hated Top Gun Maverick, and I don't know anybody
else that hated Top Gun Maverick, but he he like
went off on Top Gun Maverick for some reason. By
the way, I had somebody at church last week come
up to me and say that they had heard me
with Arnie the week before, and they were just I
just can't with his voice. I just appreciated that, unfortunately

(01:59:38):
from a distance.

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
Yes, I just can't his voice. Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
It's just like his voice. And I was like, how
do you do it? And I was just like, well, man,
he's a good dude.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
I just can't take his takes. That's that's the part. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
I was about to say, it's not his voice, it's
what he says. It's the content of the voice.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
Yes, no, Well you can hear Arnie and play tomorrow.
But Jay mart we got to get out of here.
Do want to thank the crew, Mary Mack, producer Brandon.
Great job from both of you. A lot of sound today.
I appreciate you guys getting all that together. Steve Disager,
of course, is done for the evening. For my partner
Jason Martin, I'm Mare Torres. Make sure to download the
podcast fun episode j Martin a lot of ground covered.

(02:00:17):
Make sure to stay tuned. Also, Bernie Fratto, He's next
Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
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