Aaron Torres and Jason Martin talk NBA Finals and Jayson Tatum!

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome in everybody, Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday. Aaron Torres. So, here's the deal.
Jason Martin and I have not worked together for literally
a month now. I had to take two weeks off
because of some personal and not nothing personal, like a
bad thing I had, you know, some wedding this that

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he unfortunately had the the sad, sad situation where he
had to work with Arnie Spaniard for two weeks. Last
week I worked with v Jay Husky. We had a blast.
Jason Martin will be joining me momentarily. Having a little
bit of technical difficulties right now, but oh we got
Jason Martin. I had Brian No right here. First of all,
Brian No, say hi really quick. You were sitting here

(00:44):
in studio Fox Sports Radio, ready to go. What's up? Brian?
Know how you doing it? You know I was ready.
It's good to be with you here, uh. Erin Torres
and Jason Martin is great. That he's connected, He's good
to go. He is the dream crusher. I've I've dreamed,
I've been working with you and now he's just like, no,
I'm connected. You've only worked for three hours in your
back on air like literally four hours from now. So,
I mean you were gonna talk about dream crushing. You

(01:06):
had the dream of working like twenty seven hours in
a row that was just crushed. So first of all,
did you have a good show with he from Yeah,
it was good. He's deaf by the way, I just
plugged in. It's just really loud. Huh. What do you
got on tap for you and you and uh Andy
Ferman tomorrow morning? No? No idea, no idea. He drives it,

(01:26):
so you know he drives it all right. He drives
it loudly. Jason Martin knows the company. He definitely drives
it all right. Am I the only one that hasn't
done a lap with with the Andy Ferman? I mean
I did a few fill in shows, Jason, did you
work with Andy Ferman? Is this like? I've talked to
him here and there, and you know we corresponded years

(01:47):
ago or whatever like that. Worked with No. I've worked
with No several times with No in the Memorial Days.
A matter of fact, of course, we've all now had
to work with Arnie Spanier over the last few weeks.
I don't really know what to say other than thankfully, Torres,
your back. I've been fine if it had been No,
but I can only take Arnie about twice a year.

(02:09):
He he's great in doses. He's like Ken Jong movies.
Like when Kenny Jong is the star of your film,
that's probably not what you're looking for. If he's a
If he's a bit player and shows up like he
did in The Hangover, that's what you're looking for out
of Ken Jong. It's like it's like when Kevin Hart
was literally in every movie for like two years straight,
and you're like, okay, I I like, you're good. I'm

(02:29):
good like once every year, but no, I can't do
multiple times. So Brian No, you're on what time? About
six am East six six to nine tomorrow East coast time.
All right, well you go home and get a good
nice you guys have a great show. Thank you to
hang with you for a second. So Air Torres, Jason Martin,
Brian No will be back on here in a few hours.

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Jason Martin, First of all, how are you so for?
I I set it up. I did take two weeks off.
I had a wedding, a batchlor party that was involved
with the wedding. I had a great. Two weeks Sophomorial Day.
The week that followed you took off. Last week I
was with v J. Husky, So literally, this is the
first time in a month that we have been back
on air together. Is everything good? Are you doing well?

(03:12):
How is life? How is Nashville? What's new? What's going on?
Talk to me? Man? Everything? Oh man, Yeah, everything's good.
I've got a toddler and she's now fourteen months old,
So every day is I even said this in the
chat to you and Bow a little bit earlier. It's
just time. At this point, it's just a construct. It's
not even a flat circle, like I don't know from
one moment to the next what's happening. She controls the life.

(03:35):
Tomorrow is Father's Day, but already it's not like I'm
the father, but it's still her day, like it's every
day is her day at this point. Of course, you
did what you did a few weeks ago. Then last
week I went to a baby shower for one of
Abby's friends, one of my wife's friends, and it was
fun and it was up in Louisville. So we were
doing all sorts of things, just passing like ships in

(03:56):
the night. You and me, and I'm working with Arnie
for a couple of weeks. And I kid, but Arnie
is a great dude and it was fun to work
with him for a few weeks. I am glad you
are back because one thing, Arnie has a knack for
doing and has somebody that worked with him as long
as you did. You can back this up. That man
will find a way to disagree with every take, no
matter how benign, no matter how vanilla, how obvious. I

(04:21):
literally said, this is why you play all season to
get Game seven on your home floor. He said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
are you about to argue that home court advantaging Game seven?
I was. I was just like, I'm not prepared for this.
I I don't know what I'm supposed to do with
you right now, sir. So like it was. It was
definitely an adventure, to say the least. But I'm doing

(04:43):
well and I'm glad to be back. Well, I'll say
this a couple of things. One, Obviously, I love Arnie.
He was in this time slot forever. I obviously became
his partner. He has since moved on. Uh the time
that I realized how much I appreciate working with you, Uh,
that you were off the day that Michigan beat Ohio State. UM,
and I may have told this story probably thirty thousand times. See,

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I'm turning into Arnie being in this time slot where
I just tell the same stories over and over. But
we sign on, and I'm so excited we have this
historic moment, first time in fifteen years, Michigan is being
Ohio State or they go into the college football playoff.
Hardball got over the hump if you remember, there was
snow on the ground. People are crying. It's unbelievable. I said,
welcome in, Arnie, and as the second I couldn't even

(05:25):
finish since he goes, you know, Ohio State should be
in the playoff even if they lost today, right, And
I'm like there, I mean, I'm not saying that's not
an hour three conversation, but like it'd be okay, so
we're gonna get in. So so the NBA Finals are
like they just wrapped and we'll get into it. But
it would be like being like be like, hey, Jason,
tell me everything you thought. You know, Game seven, Oh,

(05:48):
my our game six, it was unbelievable. Blah, Well Milwaukee
was the best team. Let me tell you what. It
was just so random and obscuring. It had nothing to
do with anything. I love Arnie, I know him and
Plank are killing it on Sunday. Is I am glad
to have you back. So let's get into it. U.
I was actually thinking about this in all seriousness. Is
that so we've been off for so long? The Eastern

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and Western Conference Finals were going on the last time
that you and I were on air, And I know
that because, uh, Game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals
was the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend. I was traveling
and I remember where I watched. Obviously doesn't it wasn't
that long ago, But in terms of you and I
working together, Uh, it really was kind of that long ago.
And so how I bring it up? Because the finals

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are now complete, Golden State is one their fourth title
since um and listen, we we got four hours to
kind of peel back all the layers, obviously to say
you really join us for an extended segment an hour three.
Bernie will join us an hour four. But that is
the story, not only since you and I were on air,
you know, together, but even since I was on air
last week with VJ. Husky. Golden State wins Game six,

(06:54):
The Warriors are your champions. Steph Curry wins Finals m
v P. First reaction to just, you know, kind of
kind of a fun surreal, Uh, just it was. I
thought it was a fun finals and and I have
a million different thoughts, but I'll t t you up
first in terms of your first reaction to the Golden
State Warriors winning the title on Thursday night. I had
picked Golden State in six before the series began, and

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I was shocked when it was to one Boston. How
everybody had just flipped and it was just all of
a sudden, Boston was gonna win the series. It's just like,
have you not watched the NBA long enough to realize
that one game to the next doesn't necessarily dictate what's
going on, Like you can't get too high because of
one win or too low because of one loss. Because

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of how long these series go, and especially when they
have two days between most of these games, it's just
hard to keep that kind of a rhythm going. But
my initial reaction is this, I do not want to
engage in the Steph Curry slander game, and I don't
want to engage in the let's find out where he

(08:00):
ranks all time, because to do that you have to
slight him, or you have to slight somebody else. I
would rather just be in the middle and tell you this,
Steph Curry is one of the greatest players in NBA history.
I don't care where you want to put him. You
can put him wherever you want to put him. You
can get involved in all that. You can start trying
to place him on you know, some granite piece of

(08:22):
rock in South Dakota. If you want, like whatever it
is that you want to do, you knock yourself out.
What we're seeing is special. He's been great, He's been iconic.
He's changed the game in many ways. I would say
he's broken basketball, but he didn't break it for himself.
And that's why he's so special. And I'm just so
happy that I've gotten to watch his entire NBA career.

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I can just sit there and enjoy the greatness of
Steph Curry without immediately having to try to place it
in some box that ends up shading him or shading
some other legend. How about everybody's great? Like, how about
all the guys that you want to argue in this
conversation are great? I don't need to try and find
the place for Steph Curry. He has a place at

(09:07):
the table with the greatest basketball players to ever live.
And I think that's all that needs to be said.
So it was funny. I was actually, um gonna like joking, Lee.
I don't know if it was our one hour, two
hour three be like, all right, so where does Steph
frank all time for you? And it's like and it
was jokingly because you know, and I was actually d
m NG and talking with Rob Garrett, who produces the

(09:28):
out couple of great producer that we have at Fox
Sports Races to work with me on the out Kick
in the mornings. He was there early for like the
first year. RG is one of the best dudes at
fs are great guy. And you know, he had sent
out a tweet something about exactly what we're talking about
is like he literally said, actually, exactly what you said
is is to to put Steph in the top ten,
you have to knock somebody up. And I'll just say

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this is you know, I'm an old school sports fan.
I mean, you know, you and I are about the
same age. We've been watching sports the same time. I
don't remember like twenty years ago it being like you immediately,
First of all, I don't know when everyone had to
have their own individual top ten list in like top
five and top three, and I don't know where that
came from. And I will say, like this is the

(10:12):
most generic, boring sports talk radio, but I tend to
agree with you a thousand percent is like the the immediacy, Like,
like I thought, there were so many cool storylines that
came out of Thursday Night Warriors winning the championship. And
I'm a guy that through the years, I've kind of
picked apart the Warriors a little bit. They win that
first title, they lose the next year, they bring in
k D. You know, they kind of cooked the books,

(10:33):
fixed the game, whatever you want to say. And I
was kind of out on them. And to see Clay
come back after two full years out, to see Steph
have major injuries and overcoming, to see Draymond be a
different kind of player, like, like, I genuinely enjoyed just
the story and the narrative and what this Warrior's team
was able to do. And you know, maybe I'm just

(10:54):
super naive to whatever, but like I was blown away
that that was the first well where does step well,
does you move ahead of Magic? What about Kobe? What
about Wilt? And I'm like, form, what are we even
talking about? Like, first of all, this is one thing
and I don't and and this is you know, we're
just getting started here. We got three and a half
hours left. But I just we don't do this in

(11:16):
any other sport, Like it's not like, uh, the Rams
won the championship, you know, they won the Super Bowl,
and Arnie and Chris Plank, who were on on Sunday
nights during the Super Bowl, immediately default to, well, does
this move Aaron Donald will pass Reggie White on your
all time defense? Like it doesn't happen? And so I
I know this is of all the things we could
be talking about, this probably isn't the most significant, but

(11:38):
it is very bizarre to me that that was the
default that you have to As you said, and I
agree with you, you have to contextualize, well, this is
what it means all time and Steph has four, but
Kobe has five, but Will has too. It's like, why
can't we just appreciate that this organization was I don't
know if they were left for dead, but I think
there were a lot of people that thought their best

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as we're behind them. Clay has been out for two years,
Steph has been banged up, They've had a couple of
lottery picks. They had the worst record in the NBA
two years ago, and it's just and without contextualizing it
all time, this is an incredible story that we need
to appreciate in the moment, and I was disappointed that
people automatically deferred to something else outside of that. Yeah, look,
I know it's you can try to pull that low

(12:21):
hanging fruit all that you want. And look, we're gonna say,
we're gonna we're gonna have plenty of opinions over the
course of this show tonight, but we're not gonna manufacture
amount of thin air or be that lazy with them.
This is the stat as you were talking about the Warriors.
This stat just blew me away because I had never
stopped to think about it until I heard it Thursday night,
in the wake of the Warriors win in the Championship.

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The Golden State Warriors of the Warriors organization is now
third in the NBA in championships. They passed the Bulls.
You think the Bulls, right, No, Jordan won six that's
the only six that the Bulls have won. The Warriors
have not won seven. So it's Lakers Celtics Warriors. That's

(13:03):
insane because you think about Boston and you think about
the Lakers, and you think about some of these franchises,
you don't often stop to think about the Warriors and
the pantheon of NBA franchises like that. It's like, oh,
this is this new school, No, bro, They've won seven
as an organization. This group has won four and has
been to six finals. That's that. That is preposterous. When

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I realized they were third in the NBA, it's like,
I don't think many people actually know that because that
was the That was the most mind boggling number that
I heard on Thursday. Uh in the wake of the championship.
Is where the Warriors now find themselves in the NBA.
We I'll tell you what, uh Thursday night, you know
that stat I did not know, but I would just

(13:45):
say in general, UH, Thursday night gave me a newfound
appreciation for this Golden State team, this organization. Is it
a dynasty? Is it not? We can discuss that over
the next two two and a half three hours, but
just gave me a completely new apreciation for this organization.
I'm gonna explain why. Next, Jason Martin and Ertors. We're back.

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(15:13):
a big Travis Barker Revolution right now going on. I
was like, this feels like some Travis Barker like, uh,
you know, stuff going on, but air towards Jason Martin
here Saturday night. By the way, you want to tweet
into the show at Aaron Underscore Tours j mart Is
at j mart Radio. We're talking obviously over the next
four hours about the NBA Finals Golden State wins um

(15:36):
fourth title in since I think there's a lot of
layers to peel back, Jason, let me let me let
me say to me. We opened the show kind of
you just shared your thoughts on and we I agree
with you about this concept that you immediately have to
like contect all this means that there are the seventh
best you know, dynasty that's ever and stuff is eleventh

(15:57):
thought like, let's just take them all meant chill and
just contextualize this team, this organization, this moment and what
I would say my biggest takeaway and I said it
in segment one. I wasn't always a huge Golden State fan,
but the one thing that I respect about these guys
as I thought, you know, they win this title. But

(16:18):
I'll be honest, like I still don't know if they
were legitimately the best team at that time, only because
that was lebron Is in the finals in year two,
year one with the Calves, your two with the Calves,
I can't remember. I think it was your one and Kyrie.
Kyrie Irving's out for the entire finals. Essentially, Kevin Love

(16:39):
is out for the entire finals. Golden State wins in
six when lebron Is is basically playing. Literally Matthew Delovanov
was the second best player for Cleveland in that series,
and so you know they win in t Then there's twenty.
Cleveland comes back and wins that series. Then Durant joins
the Warriors, and as I said in segment one, I

(17:00):
always felt like, listen, I understand why Kevin Durant did it.
If you're Golden State, you don't say no. But it
felt like, and the analogy that I've used for years
is you watch those games, it felt like the Warriors
had the answers to the test before the test, and
it wasn't The NBA literally wasn't competitive for a year
or two. So what what has impressed me so much
about these Warriors, this specific group, is that I don't

(17:22):
think it was the most talented Clay is is a
shell of who he was, and maybe with another year
and another off season a rehab, he gets back to
who he was, and maybe he doesn't. He's in his
thirties now. Draymond clearly isn't the same player. I was
so impressed by this group and their ability to overcome adversity.
It seemed like in everything came so easy. Then sen happens.

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They lose in the finals, and they get Kevin Durant
and twenty seventeen and it's it's game over for the
next two years. This specific group, everything they've been through,
the injuries, Clay being out for two years, Steph being
out for a year, the organization as a whole having
the worst record during that of it season. To see
them rally, come back, rebuild, find pieces that fit with

(18:06):
that aging core, that complement them, but still work individually.
That is what has impressed me, is that that we've
seen great teams. We've really seen great teams kind of
fall to the levels that they did over the last
two years and then elevate themselves again. That to me
is what has been most impressive about this Warriors run.
Over the last three four months. Yeah, I think that's true,

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and I think that there were lulls. There was there
were times when you could have looked at this same
felt like they were trending in the wrong direction. They
were able to hold back. I think the one thing
that has been true about the Warriors throughout this last
you know, seven eight years, is that when you join
that team, it usually benefits your career and you're usually
better off for it. Most people that go there get better,

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Like I think Andrew Wiggins is something we need to
stop and talk about, because Andrew Wiggins was one of
those dudes that had all kinds of crazy hype going
into college, like even before Kansas, like he was supposed
to be the guy. And then he goes to Cleveland
and he's there, but he's just kind of there. And
then he goes to Minnesota and he's just kind of there.

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And the Warriors end up with de' Angelo Russell wasn't
a popular decision among a lot of NBA expert types
and things like that. That one obviously didn't lead him
to a championship, and then they go get Wiggins. Wiggins
ends up out there and people kind of jeer that
a little bit. Well, they're not jeering it now because
if Steph hadn't had the game he had in Game six,

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it's very possible Andrew Wiggins could have been the m
v P of the NBA Finals. He was the most
consistent contributor next to Steph in the series. There was
one night where Steph didn't have it, where he went
over nine from three and his street came to an end,
and Wiggins was the guy. It was Wiggins that pulled
them along and still got them that victory. Andrew Wiggins

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is a test case for Ker, for Bob Myers, for
Steph and Clay and Draymond and what they mean to
guys around them. We saw this for a long time
in San Antonio, where a Boar's dal could come in
and Popovich would know what to do with him, or
Leanrew Barboza would show up and he would know what
to do with him. It wasn't just those guys, but

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the guys that were the core. Whether it was Parker
and Jannobley and Duncan, or whether or not it was Kauai,
other people wanted to be a part of that and
they all benefited from it. Danny Green played great basketball
while he was there. You know, the list goes on
and on. The warriors. To me, that might be the
most underappreciated aspect of what they've pulled off is whoever

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comes there gets better. Sean Livingston had was Andrew Wiggins
before Andrew Wiggins. Sean Livingston came back from injury to
be a key contributor. You saw David west finally get
a ring because he went there. That that, to me
is something that needs to be thought about more because
sometimes it can be very hard to find your way
onto rosters. But Golden State has been kind of the

(20:57):
Midas touch when they bring somebody in that dude often contributes,
he gets better, he often leaves with a ring. Certainly. Uh,
that to me is is a very impressive part of
this run well. And I think it speaks to whose
stuff is. And again, you know, I've had my moments
where I've been critical stuff. I thought, you know, he
wasn't um you know, he was treated as a as

(21:19):
a superstar and all time great and he wasn't covered
and criticized the way that say Lebron or Katie your
Russell Westbrook was. But the one thing that you cannot
deny about stuff, especially now especially now that we're towards
the tail end of his career, and we'll talk about
what he did in these individual finals, but what you
can't deny is he has created that culture as much

(21:40):
as Steve Kerr has in the same way that Tim
Duncan helped Greig Popovich create the culture in San Antonio
where um, you come here, you get better. Uh, you're
part of this. This is bigger than you. And I
think that you know, we can criticize or I don't
really know that anyone's criticizing stuff at this exact moment,
but through the years, you can criticize stuff. Well. What

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I would say though, is is that you know, listen,
some of it was legitimate, some of it wasn't whatever.
But the one thing that I think we all have
to appreciate what kind of teammate that he is, the
way that that that you know, three or four years ago,
he brought in Kevin Durant. He was an m v P,
he was an NBA champion, and he realized that Kevin
Durant was going to make this team better and elevate

(22:23):
them to a place that they couldn't be without him.
And so because of it, uh, he sacrificed, he was
willing to do whatever. But I think I bring it
up to to bring back Andrew Wiggins and will get
the sager here in half a second. But it's because like,
like the Andrew Wiggins thing, I think is because of Steph.
If if Andrew Wiggins is coming from Minnesota to do
the same, to be the same person he was in Minnesota,

(22:45):
like we're not talking about the Golden State war as
an NBA champion, but Steph created the culture. Steph established
that nobody's bigger than this thing, that that you know,
I'm the guy, but I don't have to be the guy.
And I think that's that's you know, kind of what
we can tell talk about here after disager here in
in a minute is the idea that he created the culture,
along with Steve Kerr, nobody's bigger than this thing. And oh,

(23:08):
by the way, when we need you to step up
and we need you to do something, Andrew Wiggins did that.
So I want to actually continue this conversation because I
will say, in addition to having a new found respect
for the Warriors, I actually have a new found respect
for Steph. We'll discuss that next. I do want to
bring into Sager for the first time. You know, to Sager,
first of all, what's trending? But second of all, did
you see the end of the Yukon Stanford game on

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Saturday night? After we got off air? It was thirteen six?
You're like, this game's over? It was the final talking
about Yes, of course it was the final, Seger. I mean,
he kind of ruined the Yukon baseball season, but that's
neither here nor there. They were up thirteen six, Disagers like,
you know, we could just count this one as a win.
Final score thirteen twelve with the tying run on first

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base to end the game, and that it was. It
was the last one KI season, as it turned out.
But I don't want to talk about college baseball. I
thought that was what we were going to be talking
about in my neck of the woods all week. But
the number one overall Valls decided, Uh, we're gonna let
Notre Dame go ahead and get through us last Sunday,
so you gout. You guys can continue your conversation. I
checked out the second of All's loss, and then today

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as number two Stanford opens the College World Series, they
lost seventeen to two to Arkansas. So that's a quick
l in the books. I'm glad you mentioned earlier about
the Golden State Warriors. We mentioned on Thursday night after
the championship win. They are number three in NBA history,
the Warriors franchise. Laker seventeen, Celtics still seventeen. The Warriors seven,

(24:36):
they've won titles in five different decades. Would have been more,
but they got to the NBA Finals couple of times
in the sixties and lost both. But Steve, how many
of those were Golden State and how many were Philadelphia? Well,
I know rick Berry five was certainly Golden States. So
only the first two, I assume would have been rick
Berry plus these four would have been the last five

(24:56):
of the seven. So yeah, Chicago Bulls six to six
in the NBA Finals, Spurs five out of six in
NBA Finals. But in the long history of the NBA
goes back to the nineties, literally no other franchise has
more than three titles. No other franchise has more than three.
That's astounding. We should probably stop with the dynasty conversation

(25:18):
just based on that, right there, we can They're a dynasty.
Everybody needs to get off the pot on this one well,
but yeah, by this league standards absolutely well. And the
stat to me was that, yeah, they they made the
finals six years out of eight here with Steaker as
the coach. That means they've had four rounds of playoffs
in six of the years. That's twenty four playoff series.

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Steve Kerr has won twenty two of his twenty four
playoff series as a head coach in his NBA coaching history.
That is astounding. Meanwhile, we've got a hockey game that's
somewhat over. It's ten minutes to go at Colorado, seven
nothing Avalanche over the Tampa Bay Lightning. They're leading a
Lightning team that won the last two s Hanley Cups.

(26:00):
Colorado won the opener of the Stanley Cup Final in overtime.
They are dominating Game two at home, ready to go
up to games to none. Tampa Bay will be hosting
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their ninth in a row for nothing at Toronto, winning
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here back for the first time in several weeks. It

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is great to be back with Jason. By the way,
you want to tweet into the show. At Aaron Underscore
Tour as at j Mark Radio, David Samuel says, Chef
Curry king of this era goat emoji. So this we
don't have to do the whole go to emoji thing,
and we don't have to do the whole like uh again,
I will say this, and I do want to have

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like a serious bastball the again the immediate default to like,
oh my goodness, well he's he has to be top ten.
It's such a dumb conversation. We're not gonna do that tonight.
I do want to talk Steph Curry though, because kind
of before we got to the Sager, I was mentioning,
you know, newfound respect for Steph one because you know,
you mentioned Andrew Wiggins. And Andrew Wiggins was the second

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best player in this series, and I think you can argue, um,
you know, in terms of the defensive presence that he
was maybe the most I don't want to say he
was more valuable than Steff, but he was pretty darn
close because of what he did defensively with Jayson Tatum.
But I only bring it up talk about Tatum by
the way. You want to talk about it, you want
to get opinions out there. Once we get to Jayson Tatum,
there's gonna be a relacious amount of opinions coming. Well,

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I there's a lot on the Celtics to which I
want to talk about. But so with Curry, like, I'll
just say this is one I think he created the
culture where Andrew Wiggins comes in, he immediately understands I'm
part of something that is bigger than me. Um. But
I'll also say I just have a new found respect
for Steph Curry and and and listen, like you said,
this doesn't have to turn into hot hot take radio

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and like oh my goodness, blah blah. But I will
say like, like, I don't want to say that I
was one of those guys that was like, well, you know,
he's he's not He's not. No, he he was an
incredible player. But I do think there was a segment
of the population that in um, you know, it was
kind of a sum is greater than the parts. To
use Jaren Jackson's uh analogy strength and numbers, which which

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seems to upset Clay Thompson and then eighteen A big
part of it was was Kevin Durant and so did
did Did these finals change anything for you with Steph
Curry specifically because they did with me? Way. It wasn't
that I thought he was overrated, or he's terrible, or
he's this or he's that, But I did wonder, is
this a guy that can put an organization on his
back and just will them to a championship like the

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all time great so many that you know, we can
discuss whatever. I think. This did change that to me
where I thought he was always an all time great,
a great shooter, uh, you know, a great part of
that warrior system. I didn't know if he could do
what he did in these finals, but forty three points
in game four to Fridays ago obviously a huge closeout
game on Thursday, and it really did change the perception

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of me for Steph. Yeah, I would say that going
into the finals. The one thing that that people I'm
not sure they knew it, but he he was not
really a clutch player. He was not a guy that
down the stretch in the last minute of a game.
Hit a whole lot of game winning shots. Uh, he
hit a few, but not as many as you would

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think considering him and his skill set and all of that.
At the same time as many championships as he'd won.
And it always sticks to me that Durant left. Really,
I believe one of the big recons he left is
because it was never gonna be his team. It was
always gonna be Steph's team, even if Durant believed accurately

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that he was the best player on that team. But
the other argument that you're seeing everywhere as well, steps
four is more impressive than Lebron's for and all. That's
just like, okay, whatever, Just you keep doing that. However
you feel like you need to. Steph is a winner.
I think the thing that you saw this series was
he had to be a leader. Like during the year

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and at times even during the postseason, he receded into
the background, allowed Jordan pull to flourish. He had a
couple of the games where he didn't show up, but
we forget that. Back in game four, my man nearly
broke his foot and he still played the next couple
of games, and he played them to a degree. I mean,
I think that. I think the real turning point game

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was the game in Boston on Friday night a little
over a week ago, where nobody had anything going. Obviously,
it was a hostile environment. Boston started out hot. Steph
came out in the second half and said, Nope, we're
not losing tonight. We're not losing tonight, in front of
their fans, We're not losing. I'm not going to let
us lose. That was a that was a version of

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step that I had not seen, and it definitely raised
his It raised his stature in my book to just
all right, not only is this guy a leader, but
he's a killer, and he's a winner, and he cares
a lot about what it is that he does or
a living. I came away so impressed with that performance
and then to follow it up and to do what

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they had to do to finish off that series against
a really good Boston team where things were trending in
their direction for a time. The difference was one team
had Steph Curry playing for him and the other one didn't.
And that right there tells you how great Steph was.
And to your point, I agree, I already really loved Steph.
I didn't like what he's done to basketball, necessarily because

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I'm tired of watching dudes in high school pull up
from thirty five feet thinking there Steph Curry, and then
you're sitting there watching thirty to twenty five basketball games
because no one can shoot, no one can score. But
Steph I always appreciated. I appreciate him more now like
now now. He is definitely one of those guys where
it's just like you think about Brady, you think about Curry.

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I think Steph belongs in any of those kind of
discussions in terms of team sport athletes that in our
lifetime we are most proved just to have gotten to
watch their entire pro careers. So I don't disagree. And
I think one of the cool things about this, and
I remember a few weeks ago you and I were
talking about Janice is the idea of him going from

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like a really talented regular season player too we weren't
sharing the playoffs too, you know, dominates last year in
the playoffs and then obviously becomes an NBA champion last year.
And I think it's kind of the same with Curry,
is it's not the exact linear path but I I
do think any question that you had about Curry, I
think was basically answered right over the last couple of

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weeks in terms of can he be the can he
be the guy? Can he put a team on his back?
Can he be a superstar? Can he elevate his play
in a moment when his team absolutely needs it? Which
Game four, as you mentioned, is exactly what he did.
Coming up, I do want to have a bigger conversation
about the Warriors, what this title means, and what it

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means for the rest of kind of the NBA, the future,
the NBA, the teams that they're gonna have to compete
with over the coming years for championships, the Warriors, this
this is the start of something once again. We'll continue
that conversation next Eron towards Jason Martin, Fox Sports Radio.
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Aeron towards Jason Martin.

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Here on a Saturday night. You want to get into
the show. We're talking a lot of Warriors right now.
Next hour we'll break down the Celtics a little to
Shaun Watson. Obviously, Bernie Frettle will join us an hour
four So busy Saturday night as it always is, so Jason,
really quick. You know one thing that stood out to
me amongst the many. I mean, we obviously talked about
everything that stood out to us over the last couple

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days following the Warriors winning their fourth championship in eight years.
I don't think they're done. I mean I can't sit
here and say like, I think they're the definitive favorites
coming into next year or anything like that. But the
one thing that stood out to me watching them is
you mentioned Andrew Wiggins, and you gave him his props
as he deserves. Um. You know, Jordan Poole I think

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continues to be an emerging guy. I think at times
he plays a little bit out of control, but that's
what tends to happen when it's your first, you know,
kind of appearance on that stage, twenty three years old,
third year in the league, all that good stuff. I
don't think it's done. And I think you look at now,
whether it's Dallas, which obviously nearly got swept in the
Western Conference finals, where Luca really doesn't have much help

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around him, the Son's trying to figure out what their
future looks like with DeAndre a in with Chris Paul
obviously gonna you know, you're gonna have to take care
of him. I just I just sit there and say, like,
I don't think this Warriors thing is done where I'm
not saying they're gonna make five straight finals like they
did from twenty nineteen or anything like that. But you

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look at even as Steph and all these guys age one,
they're aging very gracefully. Their games translate to kind of
the current NBA, but that next wave is right behind him. One.
I would say to it. It gives me a little
bit of respect for how Bob Meers, how Steve Kerr
as an organization handled it. I don't think this is
the end. Like, don't think this is like, well, this
is steps last run. I hope we all appreciated it.

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I think this is a team that because of kind
of some of the young guys that are coming up
and how they mesh with those older guys, I think
we could see another kind of mini three, four or
five year run here. Yeah, I mean you certainly could.
I mean the NBA, there are a lot of teams
that seem to be getting better. There are stars across
the league. We talked about that at the beginning of
the playoffs. Aaron that one of the good things about

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the NBA and went forward is you've got stars in
a lot of different places, which creates a little more
parody at least in your own mind, and give some
teams some hope. And we've seen some new blood near
the top. We saw a new champion crown last year
in Milwaukee, and that's a team that you know, Chris
Middleton doesn't get hurt, he's playing. It's very possible they're
the opponent of the Warriors. You never know, and who knows.

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If John Moran goes that doesn't go down. Maybe Golden
States not even there in the first place. There's a
lot of I think that it would be foolish to
say Golden State can win again, especially when you see
exactly what we talked about earlier. Guys get there, they
like being there, they enjoy the culture, they flourish under it,
and they don't want to go anywhere. For the most part,
that's been the case. Wiggins has already come out as

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of a couple of the other guys and said, look,
we are Our hope is we stay here. We want
to stay here. Uh, you know, find a way to
keep us here, things of that nature. They're certainly going
to have another run at it. I think there are
a lot of teams in the West that are gonna
be contenders. I think there. I think the East is
loaded as well, which but at with that said, why

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wouldn't Golden State be able to get back Steph still there?
Like Clay, I don't know, he's the same player, but
you get him a year, a year past the injury,
it's possible. Next year is the year where he's really
recovered and he's able to give you a little bit more.
But I think the makeup of the Warriors, because it's
a mixture of Hall of Fame players, a hall of

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fame coach, great ownership, a great fan base and everything else,
and then the young talent that they are moving in.
That's why you still have the opportunity because it's not
a fossilized team. It's a team with guys that still
have three or four years left, maybe longer. But then
you've got young dudes who are getting better and are
learning at the feet of Hall of famers like it's

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setting them up to be a franchise that's gonna be
competitive for a long long time. And I think that's
going to be kind of an interesting byproduct of not
only uh, you know our show tonight, but over these
next two three years, is you start to to to
just I don't know, I just I just think that,
you know, and I think part of it is and
producer Ball. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna go there. Um,

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you know, watching how the Lakers operate, watching how Lebron operates,
this idea that every year is must win, and like,
you know, every year we have to you know, if
we don't win the championship, we gotta just completely revamp
things and shake things up. And then you look at
how the Warriors did it, where it was like for
two years it was like, no, this this isn't our time. Uh,
we tried the D'Angel Russell thing, it didn't happen. We

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trade them for what we think are just assets. Well
that asset turns into maybe the second most valuable player
in these NBA play of Sandrew Wiggins, as well as
a draft pick that became Jonathan Cominga. Um, you know,
they were patient, they took their time. They got some
young guys that I think can elevate kind of over
the next couple of years, and I just I don't know,
I just I I don't know. I mean, we've been

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watching sports a long time. I don't know that I
ever really remember anything quite like this where the core
gets older but like there's a younger group behind them
that is ready to kind of kind of continue to
elevate the entire organization. And like I said, like I said,
I I just I just let me ask you this
real quick. And I you know, I love at the

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top of the hour. But if I said one and
a half NBA finals over the next five years for
the Golden State Wars, not championships, but finals, you're going
over under. M hmm, man, that's a that's an excellent question.
I tend to say under only because there are a
lot of other teams they're young and hungry that they're

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going to try to build around. I wouldn't be the
least bits of prize if it turns out to be over.
I think I would say I think one might be
the number, just because there are some really young teams
that I really think are going to explode in the
coming years. But man, that's that's that's the number. I
think that's the number. Are they gonna do it once?
Are they gonna do it more than once? I don't

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think the answer is zero. I'll tell you that. Well,
the question becomes with the Warriors, but also the Celtics.
We turn our attention to the Celtics. Next. They are out?
Will they be back anytime soon? That's next. Fox Sports Radio,
Welcome back everybody hour to Fox Sports Saturday. Error towards
Jason Martin. Good to be back with Jason. I was

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out for a few weeks. Jason was out last week.
Great to be back. We spent all our one talking Warriors.
Brett Briscoe chimes in, please no more Warriors talk, Karon.
While we were in here in for some luck, Brett,
because I want to talk about the Boston Celtics. So

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I have some thoughts on Boston. But the two words
Jason and Tatum came out in our one, uh and
and and Jason Martin immediately said, well, oh, we're talking
about him later. So I'll just contextualize this and then
we can jump right into the Celtics conversation. But twenty
nine points per game versus the Brooklyn Nets in Round one,

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twenty seven point six points per game against Milwaukee in
Round two, twenty one and a half points per game
for Jayson Tatum in the NBA Finals, thirty six percent
shooting from the three point line. Not a very good
finals for Jason. I almost said, Jason Martin, not a
very good finals for Jason Tatum. Um, you know, young

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guy just turned twenty four in March. But you know,
everybody that was trying to again, and we talked about
it earlier with Steph that that you know, we everyone
immediately has to contextualize, Well, where's Steph fit in? Now?
What about this? What about that? Well it's kind of
the same with Jayson Tatum coming into these finals. Well
where is he on the current players? Is he top five?

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Is he top three? Is he top ten? What is he? Well?
All I know is that, you know, on in his
first finals appearance. I think, like a lot of young players,
like a lot of great players in their first finals appearances. Uh,
he's gonna learn from this. But it was not a
very good finals for Jason tam Do you know how
good a player Jason Tatum is? Aaron? Do you know?

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I mean, do you know why I asked that question?
I'm curious, I think I know, But go ahead, because
I don't think he does great calls. That was a
great setup. I like that go ahead. I don't think
Jayson Tatum knows how good a player he is because
he's too busy talking about Kobe Bryant. And that's frustrating
for me because I saw him at Duke. I've watched

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him in Boston. I heard Bradley Beale. Look, I wouldn't
agree with Bradley Bill, but I heard Bradley Beal, you know,
apparently had told him he was gonna be the face
of the n b A this year, said Hey, this
leek is gonna run through you for the next five years.
I would disagree there, but I think he's part of
the future of the NBA. And he and he was
a borderline top ten players. He entered this NBA Finals

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and he did these tributes to Kobe, and he vanished,
and he shot poorly, and he turned the basketball over.
And you found out the difference between Golden State in Boston,
and it's this, Boston has a great basketball team, but
they don't have a superstar. But they should because they
have a guy that is a superstar on the team.

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But he hasn't figured that out yet. He's It's like
he just got the Iron Man suit, but he doesn't
realize there's more to Tony Stark that meets the eye.
He doesn't understand yet. He's Peter Parker. He's he's been
bitten by the radio Actiss Spider, but he doesn't have
the suit yet. He doesn't exactly know why he has

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these powers. He's caught between idolizing Kobe and being kind
of that guy and then stepping into his own. And
there were moments where it looked like he was stepping
into his own in past series and even early in
the NBA Finals, But generally speaking, I was incredibly disappointed

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with his performance to the degree that he was not
able to be a leader. Jalen Brown was the best
player on that team during the Finals in terms of
somebody that could score, and he turns the ball over
way too much. Also, there's there are bigger issues for Boston.
We're certainly going to talk about Marcus Smart, but the
biggest problem right now for me is leaving this finals.

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I'm not sure Jason Tatum realizes how good he is
because he's not playing basketball like someone who has that
level of confidence. There's a difference watching Steph watching some
of these guys go about their business and watching Tatum.
There were times where Tatum was running too fast, his
heads down, He's getting himself in bad spots. He's in

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the paint, he's not giving the ball up, He's trying
to make bad well, he is making bad decisions with
the basketball. He's trying to do too much. Sometimes he's
completely vanishing, he's making he's taking bad fouls. Everything about
it just screamed. It wasn't that he was young. It
was just like, who is this guy? Because I know
how good you are? But until he realizes it, it
doesn't matter. Because that that right there was exposed to

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me over this six games. Well, what I don't disagree
with any of it. I do think you know and
and this is what I'm sure you know all the
guys and girls on this network I've been talking about
over the last thirty six hours. But I do think
it's part of the learning process, right and part of
what I said in our one about my I don't
know frustration is the right word, but you know some
of why I don't know, Like like with the Warriors,

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it's like they didn't really go through adversity like they
were just in the finals. Everybody was hurt for Cleveland,
Lebron and the Calves still took him to six games,
even when Matthew Delovidov was the second best player in
his roster. But they win a championship and they deal
with no adversity. Um And so why I'm not worried
about Jayson tantum In in a lot of ways, I'm
excited to see how he grows from this is I

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just think that we've seen this before throughout NBA history.
I mean, you don't have to be a historian to remember,
you know, Lebron not just in the twenty you know,
two thousands seven finals in Cleveland, but two thousand and
eleven in the finals with the Miami Heat against Dallas.
It was the exact same thing, and Lebron was a
few years old or whatever. But the point being is

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that he gets there and it's just like the moment
was too big for him. Jannice over the last couple
of years, I mean, there are really bad tweets from
Aaron Torres that were just like, Janice isn't a superstar.
I don't care if he's won this award or that
award or this or that or whatever. He had two
really bad playoff runs in back to back years, and

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he had to learn how to overcome it, um, and
he did it last year, and he wanted title any
fifty points in the closing game and all that stuff.
And I think Jayson Tatum is kind of in that
middle ground. But but I don't disagree, Like like it
was pretty jarring, like like there's times, you know, and
I think of a Kobe Bryant as as probably the
best example I can think of, where you know, there

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are times where a guy just isn't ready to be
that guy, but they don't shy from the moment um.
And I do feel like with Jayson Tatum over these
last couple of games, I do feel like he kind
of shot from the moment. I do feel like it
got too big for him. I do feel like there
was a moment in time where, um, where he got nervous.
As a matter of fact, you know, there was an

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interesting quote from Jason Tatum in these finals that I
think is going to articulate what you and I, Jason,
are talking about. Let's get to what Jayson Tatum said
earlier in these finals. You know, I guess you're just
comment about the superstar you know whatever that means, right,
I've seen as a huge debate. Is he a superstar?
Is he not? I want to know where that came from,

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Like did I tweet that? Did I ever say that
I'm a superstar or you know, I'm on the very
like that never came for me. But it has been
a big deal is last year and a half for
two years and I see it all the time, and
there's always been a question back in my head, like
I wonder who spoke on my behalf said that, why
that was such a big deal? That was Jayson Tatum.

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Earlier in this series, Jason, I'll say this really quick
and I'll throw it back to you. You mentioned that
Jason Tatum's idol, somebody that he looked up to, somebody
that he trained with, was Kobe Bryant. Um. Obviously we
all missed Kobe. But one thing that that I respected
about Kobe is exactly what I just said. Um. There
were times where he made the winning shot, there was
times that he missed the winning shot. But you never
question if Kobe believed that he was the right person

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to have the ball in his hands in any big
moment and to hear Jayson Tatums say exactly what he
just said. I don't know how why you guys label
who labeled me a superstar? In the back of my head,
I was thinking, who put this label on me? That's
a little bit concerning. I think he gets over it.
I think in in the coming years he has a
much better playoffs than he had this this this NBA Finals.

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But that's just not something you heard from Kobe from
I don't know m J from whoever. That was concerning
hearing that out of Jason. His voice, that was insecurity.
There's nothing else to say. And that's the way he
played basketball. And again, like the leaning on Kobe stuff's
gotta stop. When even Bill Simmons is saying, hey, he's

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up on the Kobe stuff, like that's super Boston guy.
That's basically telling you, look, man, this is a bad look.
It's kind of corny, Like the whole like texting him
thing and the warm up arm band and all that
kind of stuff, like be the first Jayson Tatum like
Kobe wouldn't want you to do this. But past that
to that statement, that's the first time I've heard that

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that audio that was just played, like no you didn't
say it, like, you don't have to speak it into existence.
There are people like us that are paid constantly, day
after day to debate things like whether or not you're
a superstar or not. And when you are on the
verge of being a superstar, there is a difference. Look,

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there's a difference between good and great and elite. There's
a difference between star and superstar and role player and
all of these other things. And believe me, that's gonna
factor in the negotiations down the line at some point,
your contract and all this other stuff. And I think
the reason why the debate is there is because you
have superstar level talent and superstar level flash and at

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times you don't have that mindset. It doesn't look like
you you you don't have it all put together on
the floor. At least you didn't in the NBA finals.
You didn't speaking into existence. And that's fine. But what
you've got to say in that moment, if you address
it at all, is say I'm gonna end the debate
because I'm gonna go do my thing, and then it's

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not going to be a debate anymore like you have
because that's the kind of thing those guys would have
done the others that you want to put in this conversation,
like you don't have to address it at all. All
you gotta do is just keep playing basketball because people
are gonna talk. They're gonna slight you, or they're gonna
say really good things about you. Ultimately, doesn't matter. It
matters what you do in the in your points and
your plus minus, and what you're doing, how many games

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you're winning, all those things, how you're contributing to championship
runs and all of this. The rest of it works
to self out. People are gonna talk like that's that's
just the way it is fortat him to say that
just tells me he he addressing it that way. It
tells me he doesn't think he's a superstar, because if
you do, you don't say that real quick. Does it

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concern you at all that he said, Yeah, okay, go ahead.
I'm curious to hear what you have said. Yeah, he does.
Like you said, what was interesting me is you you
laid it out, and you laid it out perfectly, and
then you said, I think he gets over it. I
don't know, like there's nothing like that's just a on
your part. That's nothing but conjecture because there's nothing to
back it up, like, we have no idea. I hope

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he gets over it because I want to see everybody
get over that, and I want to see a league
full of superstars all over the place. I have no idea.
If he's gonna get over it, that might just be
who that dude is, at which point he's gonna be
on the cusp of star to superstar. And then are
you gonna be able to trust him when you get
into an NBA finals? Did he have to learn these
lessons this way? Is he gonna grow from it? He might,

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but not everybody does Aaron. That's the problem, and that's
what we're gonna have to watch in the coming years.
And the bigger issue and when we will touch on
this as we move forward, is was this Boston's best
look at it? Because this group, to me, I don't
see them getting back, not as currently constructed, not with

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the other teams in the East. I still don't think
they beat Milwaukee if Chris Middleton is playing in that series.
And we can go back because you you were off
at this point in time. But look, Jimmy Butler's three
was a bad decision. They were very very close to
letting the Heat come back and beat them and knock
them out before they got to the finals. It ain't
gonna be easy to get back this was. I think

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they're best crack at it as they are constructed right now.
They're gonna have to make some serious decisions and some
personnel moves. But if Tatum is not ready to step
up and be that superstar leader, I don't think they've
got a prayer going forward. Jason's why I love I
love working with you, because that was going to be
my next question. Did Boston missed their best shot at

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a title? We'll discuss that next. Aaron Torrest Jason Martin
here on a Saturday night, Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday. Aaron Torres, Jason Martin.
We are back a lot of NBA Finals talk right now.
We will get to some Deshaun Watson NFL stuff here
in a minute. You know, Jason, like I said, one

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of the reasons I really enjoy working with you, I mean,
you know, I don't know if we've just been doing
this for about a year now, and you know we
naturally play off each other, naturally, you know your Steph,
I'm Andrew Wiggins, your your Clay, I'm Draymond. I don't know.
I'm a little bit of a loose cannon. That's neither
here nor there. We're talking about Jason Tatum last segment,
and I will just say that was legitimately the next

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question I was going to ask you, which is where
you led me right to? Which is I mean to
stomp on it? Though that was the only thing, Like, yeah,
I'm glad we were in synergy, but I had no
idea you're going there because I kind of gave up
the answer before the break. Okay, well I'm gonna do
it again. I'm gonna spoil it and we're gonna revisit
the conversation because you know, I actually in some stuff
that I did after Game six on Thursday night, I

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referenced you is that you always say, you know, the
championship window is right now? Is that in sports? And
we've used all these examples. We've used them throughout, you know,
dating back to when the Rams and the Bengals were
in the Super Bowl, when Georgia was competing for a
national championship in college football, when Duke lost in the

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final four when we were on air, and you always
say the championship window is right now, nothing is guaranteed.
We've seen these teams in any sport that you think,
oh it's in it's an inevitability that they're going to
be back, and they never get back and the opportunity
never arises again. And I'll be honest, I couldn't help
but think a little bit of that with the with

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the Boston Celtics. Now, I'm not as quite down on
Jayson Tatum as you are, um, I I do think
this this Celtics team hopefully learned a lot from this run.
But what I would also say is this was another
one of my takeaways from the other night, and it
was the same takeaway that you had, is that it
was a great run. It was really fun. It was
cool to get some fresh blood in there. It was

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cool for Jayson Tatum to be on this stage. But
when you look at the fact that they had to
survive a Game seven at home, when basically Janice carried
the Milwaukee Bucks through six games without Chris Middleton. Obviously,
the Celtics won Game seven at home, but Chris Middleton's healthy.
Is there a Game seven? Are we even at that point,
or do does Milwaukee advanced to the Eastern Conference Finals.

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They get to the Eastern Conference Finals, the Miami heat,
Jimmy Butler is banged up, Kyle Lowry miss games, Tyler
Hero miss games. Um, you know, I I look at
this this Celtics team. They're young, they're fun. I think
they're going to be a threat for years to come.
I also don't know that you're gonna have a banged
up Milwaukee and of banged up Miami over the next

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couple of years. And I don't know that they might
get back to the finals. They might win one. I
don't know that they're gonna get more breaks along the
way than they got over the last couple of weeks. Uh,
that's absolutely right. Um, they certainly could get back, but look,
they didn't play intelligent basketball, and not in not in

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the finals, not when they had to. I mean, we
haven't talked about Marcus Smart and we're gonna get there.
But let's stick to the topic in hand real quick
and say Milwaukee is gonna be there. They're not going anywhere.
Miami is gonna get better because Miami really had Jimmy
Butler and occasionally Bamat of Bio and some other dudes.

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Uh sometimes Tyler Hero, but they didn't have anybody else
who could get their own shot, and I came back
to bite them. But they'll fix that. Dudes love playing
in Miami. They're gonna be able to get other free
agents to come play for SPO and potentially play around
Jimmy Butler Philadelphia. I'm writing off because James Harden still exists,
and until changes, I'm not gonna look at them. Do
we really think Kevin Durant is not ever gonna be

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a factor again, because I don't I think he will.
I don't know whether or not it's gonna be in Brooklyn.
I don't know what's gonna happen with Kyrie. I don't
know if the Knicks are gonna end up grabbing a
Donovan Mitchell or a Damian Lillard to go with Julius
Randall and they're gonna be able to make a run.
I just know that the East is much tougher than
the East was five or six years ago when it
was Lebron James's team and everybody else. That's not the

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way that it is anymore. And you look at Boston,
I saw I saw a lack of maturity in the
basketball that they played in the close that game. In particular,
you needed a Jalen Brown and adjacent tatum to be
a settling influence. And the reason why I said the
championship window is now is because there's so many examples

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of teams that should have got into four or five
more finals and didn't think about this. Here is the
difference between where you are and where you could be.
Do you realize is how different we would be viewing
the NFL right now if the Bengals that had just
a little bit better second half in that Super Bowl

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fourth down, I mean, they make one play that says, hey,
Bengals are your Super Bowl champions? Right? And what are
we then talking about? Who is the laughing stock of
the NFL. It's the Rams because the money that they
spent and all of this is like, you got there
and you still didn't win the game. You got exactly
as far as Jared Goff got you before. But because

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the second half went the way that it did, now
everybody wants to copy the Rams and they want to
talk about, well, how are they pulling these deals off?
How did they resign? And and figure out Aaron Donald
and Cooper Cup and keep everything going. Now they're the
blueprint because it worked out. But do you really think
they were gonna be coming back next year and winning
the championship. I don't know. It's not gonna get easier

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there in the easier conference right now. But that's why
you've got to strike. That's why you have to do it,
because this Boston team on paper, you know, midway through
the season, nobody's thinking of that team as a championship team.
They're not. I mean, there was talk in the first
two months of the season Aaron that Udoka was too
hard to coach. He was coaching them too hard. They

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were not responding very well. They didn't like the intensity.
But Udoka realized he had to drag them there. He
had to coach them that way. He had to toughen
them up because they didn't have enough dogs on that team.
We talked about Superstar and Star with Jayson Tatum. The
one thing that I think right now is there's not
enough dog in Jayson Tatum. There needs to be more

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dog in him. There needs to be more Steph pointing
at his ring finger when he's trotting back down the
court in Game six, that dude needs to exist inside
Jayson Tatum. I don't know what unlocks that, but I
think the Rudoka trying to coach him that way was
the example. But no, I I not that they can't
get back, but this felt like their best shot, and

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they at one point had to lead in the NBA
Finals and it looked like the Warriors, We're beginning to
reel a little bit. All they had to do was
find a way to hold their level of play, and
they just couldn't do it. And that again speaks to
the greatness of Steph. But I look at that roster,
it's just like it's constructed of a lot of role guys,
a lot of dudes that can't get their own shot,

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and two very very good NBA players who are not
at right now a superstar level in a conference that
is full of guys that I would say are superstar level.
And that's the other thing is that you know you
you just mentioned it, is that I mean, we're we're
talking about a long time where there was no doubt

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that the West was just tougher to get through, and
I think the West is obviously, Look there there's a
lot of you know, there's a lot of really good
teams right now. Dallas, We'll see what happens with Utah,
We'll see what happens with Denver if they can get healthy. Obviously,
the Warriors, the Clippers, are they healthy. But you look
at the East, I mean you just laid it out.
Is that Milwaukee again? You know, I haven't looked at

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the for next season yet, but I would imagine Milwaukee's
number one or number two, because you know, you're you're
assuming you're getting a fully healthy honest, you assume you're
getting a fully healthy Chris Middleton. That was a team
that dominated the Chicago Bulls in the opening round before
Chris Middleton goes down and took the eventual Eastern Conference
champion to seven games. Um, Miami's not going anywhere. Philly

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is is interesting, as you said, Brooklyn is interesting, as
you said, Um, you know, even uh, I don't know,
Atlanta is interesting. The point I'm trying to make is
the road in that conference is just so much tougher
than it was to three or four years ago. And
I just go back to exactly what I said a
minute ago. Is we've seen it in sports, is that

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you get the brakes along the way. Um, you know,
to use the example I just use a minute ago.
You look at the George Bulldogs. Love the dogs, love
love bo Benson's dogs back there. But you know, like
you just think about their path, right, like had the
schedule breaks, had this brakes they used to Alabama and
it really didn't affect them at all. They get to

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the National Championship game, there's injuries and and what do
we say all college football season? If this isn't Georgia's year,
I don't know what is. And so they took advantage
of it. That window was open for them. And it's
not to say that Boston won't get back. It's just
to say, man, they caught a lot of breaks along
the way. So this is Fox Sports Radio Errant towards
Jason Martin here on a Saturday night. Uh, coming up,

(01:02:26):
I actually want to switch gears. I do want to
talk a little bit about some updates on de Shaun Watson.
Obviously a very serious topic, but one that we have
to hit next. Before we do, though, let's get to
Steve to Seger. What's trending to Sega as far as
the NBA for next year's champion. There was a Foxbed
article yesterday that said in the East, it was Boston, Brooklyn,
and Milwaukee the top three in the odds for next

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year in that order, yes, And in the top three
in the West it was Golden State Clippers and then Phoenix.
Real quick to Sagard, I was talking to bow about
this and Jason chim in, it feels like it feels
like everyone is in a rush to like, well, don't
forget about the Clippers, and it's like, I get it.
Can I see Kauai play like yeah before before we like,

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you know, I think we do this in the media
sometimes is everybody wants to be first on something, and
it felt like everybody had to be the first one
to be like, well, don't forget about the I mean,
just remember Kauai could be healthy next year. It's like, yeah,
he could be healthy, but we have like a tenure
track record that he probably won't be And I don't
wish injury upon anybody. I'm just speaking the truth. You know.
I'm glad you brought that up, just like you brought

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up your earlier point about you know, the body's hardly cold,
and my goodness, is he in the top ten all
time now that he's okay. You know, I understand that
the conversation we're in an offseason. It's the kind of
conversation you would have in an offseason. It's certainly the
kind of conversation you would have in All Star Game
week in July. Yeah, maybe, like July. Do we have

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to do it like four hours after the championship. It
reminds me when you and LV had those great teams
in the nineties and they won the national title in
college hoops and I heard local radio in Las Vegas
and the post game show literally is immediately talking about
the NBA prospects of the players. I feel like, you
just won the national title. Are you gonna say anything

(01:04:17):
about the game or the run that actually happened? You
have got to ask him on the podium, Steve like you,
You're talking to him as they got the net wrapped
around their neck, and you're just like, hey, man, congrats
on that win. Are you out? Are you gonna stick around?
It's like hey, and it's always the same response. I'm
gonna talk to my family and enjoy this win. Right now.
It's like, why did you ask that question? Well, if

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you'd ask the Golden State assistant. You want another title?
Are you gonna be? Well, it turns out he's not
sticking and not going. He is sticking around because you know,
there was the report and it was valid that he
had agreed to a four year deal to go to
Charlotte to be the head coach of Michael Jordan's team,
when was the only guy reportedly to meet in person
with the owner. And now for quote family reasons, reported

(01:05:00):
Lee he will remain as the Warriors assistant, now the
top assistant, as Mike Brown has left to become Sacramentos
head coach. Golden States victory parade will be on Monday,
by the way, when the Juneteenth holiday is celebrated. The
Lakers hired Chris Gent as an assistant. He worked with
new head coach Darvin Ham in Atlanta years ago. He's
also a former Calves assistant Lebron connection. The NBA Draft

(01:05:20):
is Thursday. The Summer League in Las Vegas starts July
the seven Colorado seven nothing over Tampa Bay and Stanley
Cup Final Game two tonight. It was three nothing in
the first period, Avalanche leading two games to none against
a Lightning team that has won the last two Stanley Cups.
Tampa Bay will be home for games three and four
Monday and Wednesday night. At the US Open, Wills Alaturus

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is tied for the lead. John Rom led until a
double bogey on the final hole. He's one shot back.
Scottie Scheffler is two back. Naomi Osaka withdrew from Wimbledon
due to an achilles injury. Wimbledon starts in about a week.
Raphael Nadal intends to play for the first time in
three years there he's been dealing with a foot injury.
It's a little better. Coco Off Lofster Semifinal today at
a tune up in Berlin. NASCAR's Cup Series is off

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this weekend. Last Sunday's race, by the way, was the
last Cup Series event on a Fox channel this year.
They always only have the first half of races. FS
one did have the Truck Series race tonight from Knoxville.
Todd Gilliland has won. That's in the books. As for
the late baseball, there are three ball games going on.
Padres still tied four four Colorado bottom of the eighth.

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The Dodgers already won seven one against Cleveland. The Padres
need to win to stay alone in first in the
n L West Angels up one nothing at Seattle, bottom
of the fourth. That's the second of a double header.
They won the first game four to in ten innings
on a two run homer top of the tents from
Mike Trout. Hist Trout has hit his twentieth home run
in the nightcap, and the Twins are up nine nothing

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at Arizona in the top of the fifth, and they
had bases loaded looking for more earlier. Philadelphia one in
ten and names two to one at Washington. The Nationals
have lost eight straight. Meanwhile, the Phillies do almost nothing
but wins since the managerial firing, and the Yankees won
their ninth straight game for nothing at Toronto. Back to you,
thanks Steve Seger, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday and

(01:07:08):
towards Jason Martin here Saturday night. We've talked a lot
of NBA. Obviously, it goes without saying Game six was
on Thursday night. Golden State Warriors are your champion. It
we'll get back to it in a minute. But but obviously, look,
there there is one football topic that we uh, you know,
we'd be remiss if we did not cover. We talked
about a little bit last week. Jason while you were out. Uh,

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and this is this ongoing h DeShawn Watson situation, and
it's serious and it's not fun, but I think it's
it's obviously important that we do cover it. Um. And
what what VJ and I talked about last week. Obviously,
the story coming out last week was that cuser had
come forward. Uh. This was on top of the original
twenty three and that a New York Times report came

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out that said there were sixty six masseuses total, which
kind of, you know, flew in the face of everything
that Shaun Watson had told the league and told investigators
and this and that. The latest is we did get
a story from There's nothing necessarily new, but we did
get a story from, um, you know, from the Washington
Post earlier this week that makes it seem as though

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the NFL really, you know, I don't I don't wanna
say they want to throw the book at him, but
I think the NFL, it it appears as though does
want him on the field. While this story continues to go.
The report from the Washington Post is that it could
be upwards of a year suspension, kind of mirroring kind
of some of the stuff that's going on with Trevor
Bauer in Major League Baseball. But I bring it up

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to say, I mean, obviously I know that I'm sure
this has been a conversation on your local sports talk radio,
uh down there in Nashville, and it's obviously the biggest
story in the NFL right now. Um, do you think, like, like, like,
where are you at in terms of Deshaun Watson? Because again,
one of the things that VJ and I talked about
last week was, you know, I'm a believer in the
criminal justice system. You know, innocent until proven guilty matters.

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It's important. I know that no criminal charges were brought
by uh, the d A down there in the Houston area.
But I mean, you're talking about new accusers. You're talking
about new masseuses that we did not know existed, And
this is just a really tough situation for the NFL.
Where do you want to let this guy play? Do
you want to let him on the field as new
information it continues to come out, or do you kind

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of want to give him a suspension to just kind
of kind of just you know, keep him off the
field here for a moment until we get some more details.
I wouldn't blame the NFL at all. If they decided
to suspend him to kind of get some more details,
he should be suspended indefinitely, Aaron. I think for two
years at least, and when we get to the end

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of this, because for one thing, it's not hurting him
financially at all to miss one season, because one million
dollars is dropping the bucket in a two thirty million
dollar guaranteed contract. The way the Brown set this up
was very transparently away to mitigate a suspension by making
sure that there was almost no money in that first

(01:09:57):
year so that he could collect in the back end
once these last two accusers came out and there's more
coming and the Jenny Rerents peace and the investigative reporting
done by the New York Times. I've looked at this.
I've you know, you paid attend and then you even saw,
you know, Rusty Harden, Deshaun's attorney, with that absolutely brutal

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comment that never should should have come out of his
mouth about the masseuse industry. And the more that I
have watched and the more detail that has come out,
and the thing that has really struck me, Aaron, is
that there are women that are remaining anonymous, who are
not taking money, who do not want to be famous,
who don't want their families to even know the shame

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that they are dealing with from whatever happened, they claim
behind closed doors, women that are clearly not trying to
be famous, but went to New York Times anonymously and said, look,
we saw this. We need to make sure that this
is out there. We saw this stuff on HBO. Uh.
We want to make sure that we're part heard of this,
but we're not trying. We don't even want people to

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know our names out of this. There's a lot of
things that are being said that back up the narrative
of women that have gone through something traumatic. I just
look at it from an optics standpoint. The one difference
between football and all other American professional sports, not that
there are none any other sports, but it's vastly different,

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is that football maintains a fairly strong female fan base
because of fantasy, because it's just a sport that appeals
to this country in a completely different way. My wife
doesn't like sports, but she likes football, And I don't
think that the statement I just made applies to a
lot of the people listening to US right now across

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the United States. That band base, you have to take
them into consideration. And the NFL, when it starts to
hit the bottom line, that's when they usually act. I mean,
look at the Washington Commander's situation on like you were.
Everything was just kind of being pushed to the side
as much as it could write up until you found

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out that there might be money that wasn't going to
owners properly. And now all of a sudden, we got
a big investigation. We gotta let all these emails out,
we gotta figure all this stuff out. They started hit
the bottom line. The NFL is a business. How do
you look your fan base in the eyes, the females
and just say, yeah, you know what, we just gotta
let the optics on this. Or to the point where

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the NFL doesn't need Deshaun Watson. They don't. They don't
need him on the field. They've got Patrick Mahomes, they
got Tom Brady for another year. They've got Aaron Rodgers,
They've got Josh Allen, They've got Russell Wilson. They've got
unbelievable quarterback crew. Just in one division in the a
f C. The league is so much bigger than any
one player Deshaun can sit out. It's not gonna have

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much of an impact, but it's going to be an
optical win for the NFL to say, I'm sorry, we
just can't let him on the field until all of
this is not only cleared up, but cleared up in
a in a way in which we feel comfortable. I
don't want to see the guy, you know, disappear into
thin air forever unless he's done this, because if this

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stuff is legit, if this stuff is actually there, I
don't want to see that guy anywhere in the public eye.
I really don't, because he took advantage of the situation
and the stuff that really stood out again not just
the anonymity, but the fact that he prayed on minority businesswomen,
using his position, using his power, and saying I want

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to help black businesses and all this other kind of stuff.
And I've talked to some black players in the NFL
over the last few weeks, and that really sticks in
their crawl. They absolutely despised that because it's like these
were women that he knew were weak and he knew
he could take advantage of, and he did, according to
the reports. Again, I know and it's until proven guilty.

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But my gosh, Aaron, how much evidence is out there
right now? Like how many of these stories are out there?
And this doesn't seem like it's a bunch of people
trying to get rich off of de Shaun Watson because
they're not taking many of them are saying no to
these monetary offers. So I have a lot of thoughts
on everything that you just said, um, and I think
there there's some some things that I want to expand

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on that you just said involving everything to do with
the Deshaun Watson situation. Again, the reports are that there
may be a lengthy suspension coming for him, even if
there are no criminal charges all that, uh, you know,
everything going on with that. So I'm gonna continue this conversation,
will continue this conversation. I want to react to some
of the stuff that Jason said, uh Era towards Jason

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Martin here on a Saturday night more Deshaun Watson coming
up Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio,
Aeron's towards Jason Martin here Saturday night. We are talking
to Shaun Watson, and obviously, uh, you know, the latest
about a week or so ago, we did have a
twenty four accuser. Obviously a very serious topic here, but

(01:14:57):
twenty four accuser. Uh. The New York Times story came
out that alleged, not alleged, that that there are sixty
six masseuses, which is a number significantly bigger than we
believe that Shaun Watson told both the Cleveland Browns and
the NFL. And we're just gonna talk about what the
next steps are, Jason, And what you said before the
break is exactly where I wanted to take this, which
is that, um, you know, we we both said it

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is uh. You know, I respect the criminal justice system
here in the United States innocent until proven guilty. There
does come a point though, where there is so much
circumstantial evidence that I don't blame the NFL for wanting
to act or for feeling the need to act, and um,
you know again, innocentil proven guilty. We get all that stuff,

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but I bring it up because I mean, to me,
what stands out is there there has been no criminal
activity that we know of. But it's very weird, right, Like,
can we just admit it's not normal for a human
being to have sixty six masseuses over the course of
of an eighteen months eventeen month period. UM, it's not normal,

(01:16:02):
by the way, something I didn't bring up last segment
for the team to give out UM nondisclosure forms n
d A S. I guess it's maybe normal to get
him a suite at a local hotel. I don't know
if that crosses a line. Maybe you're working with an
NFL player could speak to that a little bit better.
You obviously work with the Ramon Foster Monday through Friday.

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I I just I'm with you in that even if
there are no criminal charges as of this moment, it's
very weird behavior. And we have a lot of circumstantial
evidence and and I do think there have been times
where Roger Goodell has overstepped his bounds as a commissioner,
uh in terms of punishment. Based on the facts that

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we have, I don't think any sort of suspension at
this point is crossing the line because it is clear
that Deshaun Watson, Deshaun Watson engaged in very weird behavior. UH.
And we'll find out in the coming weeks, months, and
years if there was any actual criminal activity. Yeah, UM
sixty six soon thing. I can tell you one thing
for sure is that it is not just abnormal, it's

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insanity like that. That's crazy, especially if you look at
the text. Look, the text exchanges aren't reported there there
like the text exchanges with I mean there was there
were somewhere. It's just like you sure, you can't make
it happen right now, somebody that had their kids and
all this kind of stuff. Somebody didn't even have a license.
Like so, you're an NFL player, You're an NFL player
with everything in the world to lose, and you can

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go somebody it's not even licensed that you You're just
gonna go to their mom's house or something like that.
Like that's one of the things that was out there.
But I can tell you as you mentioned, since you
mentioned Ramon, my co host here in Nashville, who played
for the Stewards for eleven years. Look, James Harrison, he
told me this. James Harrison flew his massuse in regularly. Yes,

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because I think he used to maybe as an entire career.
And because look, it's your body. Your body is your paycheck.
When it comes to professional sports, you should know everything
that's going into it. You should know everyone that is
dealing with it. In any capacity. What DeShawn was doing.
We don't even need to get to the criminal side

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of it, or the assault side of it or that
piece to get to the point where this was abnormal.
I think it's fair to say creepy behavior at best.
And so if we can get to that point, and
you're Roger Goodelon and you in the NFL, why in
the world would he play? Why would you let him play?
Because look, we've seen scenarios where players have been accused

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of pretty rough stuff and then the opposing fans have
been relentless to them. How in the world do you
put him out there? Because every announced crew has to
talk about it, every fan base has to go there.
The Cleveland Browns, with what they did, it doesn't really matter,
Like you can't feel sorry for him because they're the
ones that made this decision. They can go ahead and

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pay the dumb tax on this one. You you put
him on the commissioner's example list, or you say, look,
he is suspended indefinitely, pending whatever. And then we see
how long this goes, how far this goes, how many
other women are still to come that we don't know about,
how long all of it goes, And look you get
to a point. The Trevor Bauer's suspension was a length

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and we had Dan lust on and he told us us, look,
the length is basically to end his career. It's like
the way that they set this up, it gets it
to a point where nobody has to deal with him anymore.
He may not play in the major leagues again. If
you put this guy on indefinite suspension, you will get
to a point where it's like people will forget about
this and the league has moved on, and then you

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can just cut ties with it entirely. I think it
is very, very possible he has played his last down
in the NFL. It's crazy to think about. All I'll
say is I I agree with what you said, because
if you're the NFL, there is still new stuff coming
out constantly, and you can't have that in the middle
of the season. Fox Sports Radio Aeron Torres will talk

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NBA Finals next FOXT Welcome in everybody, our three Fox
Sports Radio Aeron towards Jason marn Here Saturday night. We
are back. The boys are back. Three weeks we were separated.
I was out for a few weeks. Jason was out
last Saturday. It is good to be back, Jason. Um,

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I would say a couple of things. One, First of all,
you missed any of the show, go back and download
the podcast after the show will be back Immedia. It
will be available immediately after the show. Excuse me. We
talked a lot of NBA in our one and a
little bit of our two, and we'll get back. We
talked a little NFL last hour. We'll get back to
the NFL in a minute. I do want to get
back to what is obviously the story of the week,

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Golden State Warriors. When the NBA title Thursday Night, Game six,
they take care of business one oh three ninety final
score in Boston, they go ahead and win the title. Uh,
Jason again, we we we spent most of our one
talking about this and a little bit of our two.
So let me ask you, biggest takeaway is it about
the Warriors? Is it a about a little bit about

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what we talked about with Boston where they were up
two to one at one point, they were in control
of Game four? Steph Curry takes over and the Warriors
never looked back. When you sit back and you reflect,
I mean, obviously we're gonna inten twenty thirty years, ten years,
five years, whatever, we're gonna think about the Warriors being
the champion. But as you sit back thirty six hours
whatever it is, forty eight hours from when game game

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Game six went final, it's a story more about Golden
State winning number four in eight years? Is it more
about Boston's blown opportunities and kind of the questions that
we have about Jayson Tatum right now this moment. What
is the biggest story to you coming out of those finals?
I mean, it's gotta be the Warriors, right, I mean
the Celtics side of it is the Celtics side of it.
But I don't know that they were a particularly interesting

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team in the pantheon of interesting teams. They had some
they had some things. Certainly, the Tatum story is something
that you can talk about. And we haven't talked about
Marcus Smart and at some point we probably need to
do that. But um, it's about the Warriors because of
history and because of what this represents and what this
run has been over the past near decade now, but

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about eight years or so with this with this group
with Curse coaching, we haven't talked about him because again,
let's not get into the pantheon of where Kerr ranks
all time. Kur is a great coach. That's all it
needs to be said. He's a championship bubble coach. He's
one of the best to ever do it, just like
Steps one of the best to ever do it. There's
three probably Hall of famers on that team. I don't

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think Draymond's Hall of Famer if he didn't play in
Golden State. He won't appreciate me saying that. But I
don't know. He's got a podcast for that. Be awesome
if he just called in, by the way, have said
that Fox if you're listening Draymond, but continue Jason. Yeah. Um.
But this was about Golden State because when Durant came in,

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and when Durant left because of the clay injury happened.
At the same time, there was that talk that the
Golden State era was over and we were gonna see
what we were going to see in the l A
with Lebron going there. What was Durant gonna do in Brooklyn? Aw,
it's Durant, Kyrie and all of this, and now we're

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right back where we were. We're right back to the
Warriors team pre Kevin Durant with some new pieces just
just for sure, but some some younger names. But you've
still got that core. You still got those three core
pieces that have been there throughout this entire time frame.
And that's what the lasting impression is. Because this team

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got through and one eight championship in a league full
of young superstars. Here the superstars on that team are
the older guys, the older Statesman, but at the same time,
there are young guys behind them. And we mentioned earlier
the unique this of this scenario where you usually you
don't have the air apparent just sitting there to win

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a championship or to to potentially be key contributors on
the championship team. They cycled one unit out of secondary
players and now they've got a second unit and with
a couple of guys that could become, you know, primary
players for them in the future. The Boston story is
the Boston story, but this is about Golden State again.
The stat I gave off the top that they're now

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third in the NBA in championships, behind only the Lakers
and Celtics, who were tied as seven team. But now
Golden States at seven. It's not Chicago, it's not anybody
else that you want to name, it's the Golden State Warriors.
And the reason why is because of four championships from
those three gentlemen. That has to be the story because
history always trumps what we're seeing in the moment for

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the most part. The reason why Phil Mickelson, before the
il V stuff and everything, the reason Phil Michelson's story
was such an unbelievable d old with him winning at
Post fifty was because of history. The same thing with
Tiger coming back from everything he came from the wind.
It's because of history. It's because of would have been
accomplished before happening again, Lightning striking for a fourth time

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with this group and this one after a couple of
years of rebuilding and challenges and unfamiliar territory for some
of these guys, they find their way back to the
top of the mountain. And that's the story. Let me
ask you, you know, I have some thoughts on this,
but one of the topics that has come up over
the last couple of days, and I think it's a
fair conversation to have, is the Kevin Durant element of this.

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Now I have some kind of thoughts on this, but
I'm curious what do you think Kevin Durant's reaction was
either watching Hime six, watching these finals, or at the
very least whatever he's doing finding out about the results
of these finals. I have some thoughts. What I'm curious
to here? What you have to say? Um, I don't know,
because Kevin Durant is such a He's such an enigma

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in being as good as he is but having such
large rabbit ears. I know everybody talks about, oh, he's
wonderful on Twitter clapping back, he'd be even more wonderful.
He didn't clap back at all if he didn't care,
because his basketball is gonna do the defining form. But
we saw Charles Barkley say yesterday, look, until he's the
guy on a championship team, you know he's still going

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to have something to prove in the eyes of many.
I don't know how he felt about this, because Draymond
turned out to be right. We didn't need you. You
needed us because we won championships before you got here.
We knocked your team out of the playoffs, and then
you joined us in a seventy three win year. Now
that is the year they lost in seven, but it

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took one of the greatest plays in the history of
the NBA Finals to chase down block from Lebron James
and the big time clutch three from Kyrie in Game
seven to get that job done. And now what's happened
since he left? Well, Golden States sitting there holding the
new Larry O'Brien Trophy, and Kevin Durant is sitting at
the house watching it, and he's not sure what his

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future looks like. He's not sure about his head coach,
He's not sure about Kyrie maybe being the second guy
on that team, even if they are best friends. He
probably is wondering should I have done this? Did I
make the right decision? Was this the biggest mistake someone
has made in a very long time in professional sports
in leaving something like that. I've seen a lot of

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a lot of that out there, But I think Kevin
Durant was driven by the idea that it was never
gonna be his team, he was never going to have
all the credit for it. And I don't know that
he regrets leaving, because I just think he's wired differently well,
And and that's where I wanted to go. And I
have some thoughts and I wanted to get yours first.
But that's what I think is, Like, listen, everybody in

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our business, we're all trying to come up with unique
angles and and and I get why a lot of
people in our business immediately defaulted to Kevin Durant, uh,
you know, kind of in the subsequent hours following the
NBA Finals. I just think, you know, I just feel
like it's a great conversation, right, does Kevin Durant regret it?
Should he have stayed? Should he have left? Should he

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have come there in the first place? And they're all
great conversations. But like I I really don't think that
Kevin Durant is sitting there today, sitting here saying I
made the biggest mistake of my life. Like, you know,
I think we all in life make decisions where whether
it's you know, a different job or a relationship. And

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I don't mean to be like super cliche going through
obvious you know, real life you know circumstances. But I
just think we all reached moments in our lives. I
know there's been you know, two, three or four times
in my professional career where everything's going fine, like there's
nothing wrong, but it's like I need the next challenge.
I need to do something else. Like I did this,
we did it, it was cool. It's time to do

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something different. And I get the sense that, like that's
where Kevin Durant was. And I know it was a
weird last year, and you know, there was the public
stuff with Draymond and then he gets hurt and that's
kind of an easy, kind of a scape clause, but
we all kind of knew he was leaving anyway, And like,
I think it's like one of those things in our
business where it's like that's the immediate like, well, what
is Kevin. I think Kevin Durant's fine with it. Like now,

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in thirty years, could he be like that was the
biggest mistake of my life. I should have just stayed
there and won three more championships. Yeah, I think you know,
when he gets older and he reflects back on his career,
like he might sit there and say, like, man, I
probably should have stuck that out a little bit more,
or at the very least, it was a better deal
than I was giving it credit for in the moment.
But I just think back to so many times in

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my life where I've known it's time to move on,
It's time to do something different. I've done everything that
I can do here. To your point, Jason, he was
never going to get the credit that he deserved as
being a great because he was always presumed to have
joined another team to join Steph seem to have joined
a team that was going to that had already won
a championship. And so I just I don't sit here

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today and say, like, man, I wonder what. I just
think he's probably like, good for them, that was cool.
I'm happy for them. What do I gotta do to
make sure that my team is back there next year?
And I think there's there's other like bigger picture questions
about uh, you know, the future with Kyrie, the future
with Ben Simmons, the future with Brooklyn in general. I

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just don't see Kevin Durant as being a guy like man,
I should have just stuck it out in one more like.
I think he made his decision, he moved on, and
that's just how like life works sometimes, you know what
I mean? Yeah, I mean I think that the one
thing about Golden State to me and you talk about
you know, you go back and maybe I should have
stuck that out and all this you will never get

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me to believe that Kevin Durant was happy when he
was in Golden State after the first year. I think
the first year it was awesome and he's like, I'm
gonna win a title, I'm gonna be the best player,
and everybody's gonna love me. And then it became immediately
like well and all the stuff that we talked about
at the time, it was Steph's team. They won without them,
They didn't need him, They want to send altercation in
the locker room, all of that stuff. I think that

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I think it deteriorated very quickly. I don't think he
was happy in Oklahoma City because he felt like maybe
they had peaked, they weren't gonna win with rus. I'm
a thunder fan, so I watched set up close and
personal and was very sad, incredibly sad when Katie left
and he went to Golden State, and it just watching
that whole thing unfold. He didn't leave to go win
a championship. He he left because winning another championship in

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Golden State was meaningless to him because it wasn't going
to enhance the legacy the mistake he made him. We
we have touched on this in the past. The mistake
wasn't necessarily leaving from his perspective, mainly just because I
don't think he was going to be satisfied with anything
that happened in Golden State, and so he had to
do what he thought was right in that moment. From

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a business perspective, it was dumb, but I don't think
he was being led by the business perspective. The biggest
mistake that he made was where he chose to go,
was going to Brooklyn, because originally it was all about
the Knicks and he was gonna go there. He goes
to Brooklyn, he gets in his fields and he wants
to go play with his best friend, Kyrie, because that
one maybe if the happiness that escaped him in Golden

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State that he couldn't find in Oklahoma City, he could
find in Brooklyn. And I thought that was a mistake
because no one has ever joined Kyrie Irving and been
better for it. Lebron maybe is the only exception. But
that was a very early Kyrie Irving and it's not
like that thing went smoothly. They won a title, but
there was a whole lot of drama there as well.

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Like Kyrie is just this is a guy in Durant
that I felt like, emotionally was a little volatile and
at times he was miserable. And if indeed that was true,
he joined the single most miserable person in professional sports.
Nobody comes across as more miserable than Kyrie. So I
think that maybe it wasn't about him leaving. Maybe he

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felt like he had to just for the Barkley point,
if nothing else, that he needed to be the bus
driver on a championship team. And whether or not that
was true in Golden State, he was never going to
be perceived that way. It was the destination. It was
ending up in Brooklyn in a bad spot and then
a couple of bad decisions that have gone along with that,

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and that is more maybe why we find Kevin Durant
where we find him right now. I will say this
is that is another four hour radio show. But I've
talked about it so much on these airwaves that that
decision to leave Golden State if you want, but the
idea of leaving Golden State, We're going to be the
guys that bring the Knicks back. That was a cool

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thing it was, And whether he was I mean, I
think he was manipulated by Kyrie. Um. Now they're in Brooklyn,
weird fan base, weird teammates, complete disaster. UM. And that's
the disappointing part about Kevin Durant will wrap on that
is that, Um. You know, we've thought about him before.
The guy loves to hoop. I've said it many times.
Is that? Um? You know I I had a new

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fond respect for him, not only being on air during
Game seven against the Bucks last year, but then also
seeing him go to the Olympics and represent our country
just you know, a couple of months after that Achilles
surgery or a couple months after coming back from that
Achilles surgery winning and half to um. But as you said,
he's he's two guys now that are as uncommitted as
they possibly could be. I don't know that right now,
this moment, he's sitting there saying, Man, I should just stayed.

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I do wonder if in the bigger picture he may someday.
Fox Sports Radio aeron towards Jason Martin here Saturday night
coming up, go back to the NFL. Uh interesting comments
from one superstar. Interesting comments. In response to those comments,
I explained next Fox Sports Radio, Oh yeah, welcome back. Everybody.
Fox Sports Radio Aeron Torres, Jason Martin here live on

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a Saturday night, little after midnight Eastern. Hope everybody's doing well.
Hope everybody is safe. And whatever you're doing on a
Saturday night, we appreciate you joining us. So, Jayson, I
do want to get back to the NFL. Uh. Oh,
what do you guys? We came back with Smells Like
Teen Spirit right there. Sure, I can't remember who it
was that. Actually it may have been Laura's ulric of

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Mattel Waka, the drummer from Metallica, said this. When they
first heard Smells Like Teen Spirit, they said, oh god,
music just changed, like what in a flash? Hair Metal
died when Smells like teen Spirit hit, it changed. And
of course you saw the grunge explosion, and you saw
music shift from the white Snakes of the world, the

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poisons of the world, that kind of stuff. Mataka held on,
but they had to change a little bit of what
they did. You saw everything shift in that moment, like
music evolved or if you want to say it that way,
but it changed one way or the other. It was
a game changing moment. The reason why I mentioned that
is because I think It's very appropriate after watching Golden

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State when their fourth championship, because when you watched Golden
State and another squad we're about to talk about, the
Kansas City Chiefs, it felt like something changed. It felt like, okay,
something shifted. What happened when Golden State really started to win,
everybody began to build their team to shoot and score,

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to try and stay with Golden State. Teams started to
be built to try and handle Patrick Mahomes. There were
teams that were being built to try and stop Lamar
as well with what he was doing in Baltimore. But
there are certain teams, there are certain franchises in sports
where you look at them, they're just different. They hit different,
and as a result, everyone else stands up, takes notice

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and starts changing what they're doing because something has seismic
lee shifted in the sport, and because we came back
and smells like teen spirit. I thought it was appropriate
with the Warriors as well as with the Chiefs. So
all right, so you know what I was gonna do,
Like the super cliche boring conversation about the Tyreek Hill
and Patrick Mahomes back and forth. We had the Mahomes

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audio ready, Maybe we'll play it in a minute. But
so obviously look the big the story here, but I'm
gonna take it in a different direction. Okay. So, um,
Tyreek Hill a few weeks ago, he's doing a podcast,
apparently he started, he launched his own podcast, and the
long and the short of it was that he whoever
is his co host, asked him about kind of being
a Miami dolphin now right, um, you know, and he

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said something to the effect and I don't have the
cool in front of me, but that uh you know,
Patrick Mahomes has a stronger arm, but two as more accurate. Uh.
Patrick Mahomes responded, blah blah, blah blah blah. Why I
bring it up. I'm gonna take it in a completely
different direction. You just said the entire NFL changed when
Patrick Mahomes Tyreek Hill became who they were with Kansas
City Chiefs. And I agree with that. Right whatever it is?

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Now what four straight an FC championship games, Uh? Two
Super Bowls? One Super Bowl win? Is there an argument
to be made? And I don't even know that I
buy this argument, but let me let me, let me
be careful phrases. I don't think that Tyreek Hill is
more important to what the Chiefs did over the last
four or five years than Patrick Mahomes. What I do

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think though, is that he's probably more important than we
have given him credit for. And why I bring it
up is this is that you know, we we've had
all this chaos in in this um, you know, with
the wide receivers and and A. J. Brown obviously got traded. Um.
You know, Amari Cooper got traded. I'm just off the
top of my head, Deebo Samuel wants to trade and
maybe he ends up here here or whatever. I bring it.

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Davanta Adams got traded, right, I bring it up. I
do think there's this belief of like, oh, we'll just
replace this guy with that guy, and I do think
in most cases that's the truth. I do think Tyreek
Hill is one of one though, And we'll just use
the weird back and forth between him and Patrick Mahomes
to to to talk about the Chiefs because it does
open up an interesting conversation about they They weren't really

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the same offense here, you know, late early last season
they started to figure it out. Late Mahomes had his
first real adversity. They struggled in the second half of
that an FC Championship game against Cincinnati Bengals. Now there's
no Tyreek Hill, and I'll just say this, I'm not
ready to like write them off and the runso for
I think Tyreek Hill was more important to who they

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were and what they were about. Then I think a
lot of people want to give him credit for I
think we see it this year. What they're wanting is
for Mcole Hartman to be that guy. I have a
hard time believing that's gonna happen because he's he does
as much to hurt you as he does to help you.
He does have incredible speed, but his football, like you,
seems to to not be what you wanted to be.

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From time to time he doesn't. He does some very
annoying things. I think that this year, and I've said
I said this with Arnie, I said this with Brian
No and I was tustening with that one Memorial Day.
I feel like this year is going to be fascinating
to watch two teams in particular, and it's Green Bay
and it's Kansas City because those two quarterbacks, Mahomes and

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Aaron Rodgers are as elite as elite gets in virtually
everybody's mind and and everybody's rankings, and you know they're
just waiting for their busting ca and and all of
this other stuff. We've never seen Patrick Mahomes without Tyreek Hill.
And for Aaron Rodgers, yeah, he built Jordy Nelson, and

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then here's Davante Adams. But who exactly here are they
throwing the football too in Green Bay this year? Like,
I don't think they're even a Super Bowl contender right now.
I'm not worried about them if they go. If they
win ten games, I wouldn't be shocked. If they win thirteen,
then Aaron Rodgers is as good as he says he is,

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He's as good as everybody else says he is. And
Matt Laflour is a Coach of the Year. Like I
think Davante Adams going to the Raiders, especially with everything
else that the Raiders have done and McDaniels being the
head coach there, they've got a chance to be really,
really good. I don't think people are talking enough about
the fact that they've got Davante Adams, They've got Darren Waller,

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they've got Hunter Renfro, They've got a very motivated Derek
Carr that's been paid that now has an offensive mind
to help guide him, and a fresh face and all
this other stuff. They've got a lot that you like
right now out there in Green Bay doesn't. But to
the Tyreek Hill points specifically, I've talked some people in
the league about Tyreek Hill, and the thing about Tyreek

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Hill is every catch he makes he can take to
the house and almost nobody in the NFL can do
that because he can do it from a dead stop,
like he can wait for the ball and then bam,
he's gone anyway, because he just has speed that's not normal,
it's not even natural. You can't really replace that. I
am very curious see what it looks like in Miami

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with two with all the speed that they have on
the team with him and Waddle and and Cedric Wilson
and everything else. But Kansas City, Ju Tuo is a
solid players, no question about it. Mark was Valdes Scantling
is gonna get his opportunity to show that it wasn't
all Davante Adams, that he was also pretty dagon good.
And we already know how good Travis Kelsey is. I
think they're gonna be fine. I also think they may

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take a step back in terms of the record. I
had Trey Smith in studio yesterday here in Nashville. He
went to Tennessee, but he was on the offensive line
for Kansas City as a rookie this past year, and
now he's you know, he's expected to be one of
the best interior linement in the league as he continues
to grow into the role. In year two and and
they were floored by the Tyreek Hill stuff. And I

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asked him, I was like, what changed, because to your
point about how they looked early in the year, I said, they,
you know, you guys came to Nashville and got absolutely
humiliated pretty much by the Titans, and then after that
you kind of woke up. What happened. He's like, well,
we knew we didn't play the way we were supposed
to play in that game, and we went back and
we thought about it, and it felt like a turning
point moment in effect, and we saw that down the stretch.

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But a large part of that turning point was having
Tyree Hill to stretch the field. Nobody takes the top
off the defense like Tyreek Hill because he doesn't have
to take the top off the defense. He could take
a five yard hook route seventy five yards and no
one can catch up with him. And I don't think
that there is anything that can duplicate that for Kansas City.
So I look at those two teams and I am

(01:43:09):
just I can't wait for the football season for a
number of different reasons. We love that sport more than anything,
but for the Green Bay and Kansas City experiment. And
then on the flip side, what does it mean to
Vegas and what does it mean to Miami to add
those pieces to the mix, and does it unlock one
of those quarterbacks? Derek Carr is already pretty good to

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what needs to be unlocked. Maybe he will be. You
can maybe even add Philadelphia to that mix and see
what a j means being alongside Davonte Smith. But I
think to the point about Tyreke, I don't know why
he said what he said other than he's trying to
be you know, he's trying to please where he is,
not where he was, and you know he's saying over
the moon stuff about his current quarterback and whatever. Not

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everybody needs a podcast. I can tell you that right now.
Not every athlete, not every celebrity, not every dude on
the street, not everybody needs a podcast to say things.
But the Chiefs and the Packers is going to be
a story that's gonna be the gift that keeps on giving. Clark,
It's gonna give all year long for us. We are
probably gonna discuss that so much in the fall air

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and it's gonna be mind boggling. Well, I'll tell you what.
We'll continue the conversation on the Chiefs and actually some
more stuff on the Packers as well. But first I
do want to get to Steve to Seger with what's training,
what's up to? Well, only a couple of ball games left.
The Twins are had eleven one at Arizona in the
bottom of the eighth, and the Angels lead the second
of a double header at Seattle three nothing in the

(01:44:38):
top of the seventh and Mike trout is homer in
each game. He's up to twenty home runs this season.
He hit the tenth inning homer to win Game one
at Seattle four to two. Dodgers one, Padres loss. St.
Louis and the White Sox each one on the road
Milwaukee as well. Detroit ended a six game losing streak
on FS one. Today, the Tigers down Texas fourteen to seven.

(01:44:58):
It was eleven to one in the fifth inning. Hiley Green,
and his major league debut for the Tigers, had two hits,
two walks, two runs scored. Phillies won in ten and
things two to one at Washington. Fills have won five
in a row. Yankees won their ninth straight for nothing
at Toronto. The losing pitcher Alec Minoah had been eight
and one with an e r A of one point
six seven. Toronto lefty pitcher Jung Jin Reu former Dodger,

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had Tommy John surgery. Game two of the Stanley Cup
Final to Colorado seven nothing over Tampa Bay. Colorado won
the opener of the series in overtime, and they were
up three nothing first period of this game tonight against
the Lightning, who have won the last two Stanley Cups.
Games three and four are Monday and Wednesday nights at
Tampa Bay. This an Avalanche franchise that's in the Cup

(01:45:41):
Final for the first time since two thousand one. In
the US Open, Will's Alaturus tied for the lead with
Matt Fitzpatricks. Alatorus just last month lost the p G
A championship in a playoff in contention here John rom
led until a double bogey on the final hole. He
is one shot back. This is in Brookline, Mass to Chusetts.
Golden States victory parade will be on Monday. Golden State

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assistant Kenny Atkinson is hanging around for another season. He
turned down the head coaching job with Charlotte. The North
Carolina Tar Yields landed a transfer from Northwestern forward Pete Nance,
who averaged fifteen points a game last season his fourth
year there. And since we know one of the two
of you is such a huge USFL fan, the regular
season does end this weekend on Fox TV today Birmingham

(01:46:24):
nine and one playing on the home field for all
the regular season games. Beat Tampa bayeen. New Jersey nine
and one for the regular season beat Philadelphia twenty three.
There is a day game tomorrow on FS one New
Orleans against Houston, and I must mention the day game
or that's tomorrow night. At the day game tomorrow, it's
one in eight Michigan against one in eight Pittsburgh. I

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bring this up because the winner gets the number one
draft choice, not the loser. They changed the rule this
week Darryl Johnston in the front office of the USFL
wants all games to be competitive. This is a curious
an interesting idea. Uh, the winner of the one in
eight teams games gets the top pick. Assuming there is
a draft for the USFL last next year, I realized.

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But interesting concept. The semifinals are next Saturday. They won't
be in Birmingham. The playoffs are in Canton, Ohio, and
tickets kids are fifteen dollars good for both semis General admission.
USFL Championship game is on Fox TV Sunday night, July three.
Tickets are twenty dollars each for the finals, So save
your penny spending you something I want? Hey, By the way,

(01:47:30):
Tora is nothing that I want to hear more about
my sports league than interesting concept. Like hearing the sager
say that's just like that's a real bless your heart
moment right there. You're just tapping to you the USFL
on the top of the head like, oh, I got
a juice box for you over you know, is it
not an interesting concept? I'm not saying that it's not.
I'm just saying it. That's where you gotta go. The

(01:47:52):
pickings are a little scant there, just saying, well, I'm
speaking from a news desk for someone who works at
a news desk, this is news that a league would
do US. I just wanted, whether it's the USFL or anybody,
allow me to have my slander. Steve, don't bring logic
in police. I just want to know who, like, like
if they win, Like, who are they in contention to draft?

(01:48:13):
Like is it like a quarterback? They're like yeah, Like
I think the first round was literally all quarterbacks going
into this season, So there you go. I was trying
to think of like the most obscure quarterback that I
could possibly think of. Tim Tebow was the one that
came to my head. So that's too obvious. So well,
a lot of these are guys that have crashed out
in the Kelly Chaff Kelly on the market and already

(01:48:35):
this is your right to draft him or j Manuel
still want to play football. I think it was who's
that Jeremiah a Soli from Oregon last night? Jordan's Amu
from Ole Miss and uh, he's been in this league USFL.
So yeah, people like that, Paxton Lynch, those types. Wow,

(01:48:56):
I didn't think we were gonna get a Paxton Lynch references, Yeah, alright,
to say you'll be back in about ten minutes. You'll
have the updated odds on the USFL draft, So thank
you to say no, now we will have more on
the assistant coach who staying at Golden State. And I
do want to bring up not just that for basketball,
but and don't look it up between now in the

(01:49:17):
next segment, can you name between the two of you
all the NBA teams that have never made an NBA final.
We just had the NBA Finals finished up. What franchises
have literally never been in the NBA finals like that.
Dan Buyer on his on his Sunday show, Easy as
We that's gonna that's basically this will take less time

(01:49:39):
than that because George Reister none, alright, that's mean. But anyway,
Fox Sports Radio air towards Jason Martin here to SAGRA
will rejoin us here in a minute. Um, So, Jason,
you know, I just want to put a bow on
the Tyreek Hill thing. I think what you said is
is the point that I was that I was trying
to make is I think it's easy to just you know,

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we live in this world where listen, I do think
like I think sometimes everybody in our business, you just
get caught up in like cliches and this and that,
And I think, right now, like the cliche is, um,
you know why receivers are a dime a dozen and
you shouldn't spend money on him, and this and that
and like and I get and I think sometimes that's true.

(01:50:20):
Like I think what happened in your market with Tennessee,
I understand why the A. J. Brown decision was made
partly because of him, partly because of Ryan Tannehill. Is
he really long term quarterback? What about Malik Willis? So
let's rather than paying a wide receiver twenty million plus
a year, let's get rid of him. Let's pay a
guy on in a rookie contract, and you know, essentially
will replace most of the production. So I get where
these narratives come from. But there's a there's an old saying,

(01:50:43):
right like there's an exception to every rule, but the
exception makes the rule. And that's how I feel about
Tyreek Hill is like I think there's just this assumption
of like, well, you know what I mean, Andy Reid,
he's a and like any Reid is a genius. This
isn't like a tear down any read tear down Patrick
Mahomes segment. But like Tyreek Hill is five ft seven, Okay,
if you just saw him walking down the street, there

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is nothing that would make you think that he is
the probably the single biggest game changer in the NFL.
But that is because he is uniquely gifted with unique talent. Now,
I don't know how it's gonna translate with two in Miami.
I do think that part of the Tyreek Hill mystique
is o to Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. But I
do think part of the Patrick Mahomes and even read

(01:51:27):
mystique is the fact that exactly what you said right
before we got to disager Jason is there's really only
one guy in the league that you just throw him
a ball in the flat three yards behind the line
of scrimmage and he can make four guys miss and
rip off ninety yards and I I do or just
set him on a fly route and he just beats

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everybody down the field, no matter what covers you have.
And so I just think that there's like this presumption
that you know, Tyreek Hill, he took the bag and
he's gonna end up being the loser and it's not
gonna work out with two. And there may be an
element to that as well. But I do think we're
gonna look back and say, like, this guy was more
important to what the Chiefs did over the last four years,
and we gave him credit for I really think that

(01:52:10):
is going to be a thing, especially by the way,
as you said, as I said, we saw the Chiefs
struggle with him last year. Now we'll see what happens
without him some Yeah, I mean I think that. I
think one of the things that we need to see
is how open is Travis Kelsey going to be? Are
they going to have to double somebody else on the field,
our defenders gonna have to respect Juju or mvs or

(01:52:35):
something like that, or is Harmon really going to be
able to evolve into this role um or is Kelsey
going to be seeing more double teams? Because Kelsey has
been able to eat not just because of his own talent,
but because Tyreek attracts a whole lot of attention. And
one of the things that we saw last year early
on and when the chief struggled last year was Mahomes

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was waiting to make the great play some times as
opposed to taking what was there and as a result
that he was basically because the big advantage that the
Chiefs always have was you had to keep up with
them until Patrick Mahomes was ready to throw the football
like you could play. It was the same thing. And
this is another example. But like when you watched the

(01:53:18):
Chip Kelly Oregon teams early on, before other people started
to do the same kind of tempo and things changed
a little bit, I would be tired watching a defense
try to handle Oregon from down to down. You can
handle him, but how long were you gonna be able
to handle him? Problem playing the Chiefs is that by
the third and the fourth quarter, those defenses were gassed

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because they were chasing number ten around for eight to
nine seconds every single play. And eventually, more often than not,
he would find a way to break open a few
extra times a game late because Mahomes had that knack
of being able to find a way to latterly move
towards the sideline look like he was gonna step out

(01:54:03):
of bounds, and then wing one and Tyreek would be
able to break open because you can only stay with
speed for so long if that guy's not there. What
happens in that like five to seven second range for
the Chief's offense. If the separation is not the same.
It's not that Patrick Mahomes isn't as I like to
call him, Harry Potter. I mean, dude is a griffin door.

(01:54:26):
But is he gonna be able to get that football
into tighter windows on a consistent enough basis in a
loaded a f C West, not even to describe just
a conference. I don't know the answer to that question.
I feel like the Chiefs are still gonna be good,
but I don't have them right now. Is just prohibitive
favorites in the West, the way that you would still

(01:54:47):
probably feel about him if Tyreek Hill were still there.
This is Fox Sports Radio eron Torres, Jason Martin here
on a Saturday night. Coming up, we bring back to
Sagar a lot of good stuff from also of things
across sports today. Also an update on that USFL Draft.
Not gonna want to miss that to say, you're coming
up Fox Sports Radio. Darn right. The boys are back

(01:55:09):
in town. Air towards Jason Martin here on a Saturday night.
First time, Jason, I have been back on air in
a few weeks, and it is great to be back
It is also great to welcome into Sager here as
we do every week at this time, to sagre what
he got for us, say, Patterson number one draft picks,
so we literally named every other old miss quarterback except

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for him. It's right. And since he finished at Michigan,
he was drafted by Michigan number one. So there you
go to bring in all the fans at the games
that are not at Michigan. That's right, exactly, it's just
in name only. They are the Michigan Anthers didn't play
a single game in the state of Michigan or maybe
within a thousand miles. It was funny because I mentioned
Shad Kelly, you mentioned jeremimh Soli and Jordan's Tua. However,

(01:55:51):
you say his name and literally that that that Drew Henson.
What about Drew Henson anybody he's still he's about forty
five years old. Because that's Tom Brady beat out Tom
Brady to start some of those Michigan games. It was political,
it really was. By the way, did you see to
Seagar uh Lloyd Carr's grandson, Oh yeah, committed to Notre Dame.

(01:56:15):
You know, well, I might have to ask Bernie about
that it is. Yeah, I do think Jim Harbaugh like
trying to get an NFL job on National Signing Day,
probably not the best move in hindsight. But anyway, I
don't mean to steal your update here to saga, but
when you when you mentioned old school Michigan, I couldn't
help but think about that. Now, do you have guesses?

(01:56:35):
The two of you there are I'll tell you six
NBA current franchises that have never been in an NBA finals.
Can you name the six? That was the first one?
Memphis one? Um, the Charlotte Hornets, correct, Charlotte is two?
More about Charlotte in a moment, New Orleans, the New

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Orleans Pelicans. That his numbers three. That's three out of
six quickly, Clippers, certainly. Sacramento is a tricky one. The
NBA says they have gone the longest without being in
the finals because as the Rochester Royals, they were in
an NBA Final over seventy years ago. Other than that,

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Oklahoma City going a decade without being back to the final.
I think that's number two on that list. But Charlotte Hornets,
l A Clippers, Memphis Grizzlies, New Orleans Pelicans and two
other NBA current teams that have never been in the Finals,
Denver Nuggets. Denver Nuggets is one and the other don't

(01:57:39):
tell me, don't him? Minnesota Timberwolf. Not surprised now as
far as the Hornets job, and yes, as the Charlotte
Observer put it tonight, the coaching search is not wrapped
up after all. Kenny Atkins and Golden State assistant backed
out for family reasons, according to their sources quote. Although

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Atkinson hadn't officially signed his contract yet, the expectation was
for him to do so within days leading up to
him arriving in town next week. The decision caught the
Hornets off guard. They were in the process of assembling
a coaching staff and the remaining assistants left over from
the old staff were awaiting for Atkinson to touchdown in
Charlotte to speak with him about their futures end quote. Meanwhile,

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Golden State will be celebrating its victory with a parade
on Monday in the Bay Area. The six games of
the NBA Finals Warriors over the Celtics average twelve point
four million viewers on ABC Television. Of course, all of
primetime television is down. If you compare ratings to a
few years ago. So yes, this is one of the
lowest rated finals of the last ten fifteen years. But

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those six games are the six highest rated TV shows
on any channel in the last month and a half.
I read meanwhile, a dominant game too at Colorado for
the Avalanche in the Stanley Cup Finals seven nothing over
Tampa Bay to go up to games to none. Now
they're off to Tampa Bay for Monday and Wednesday games
three and four. The Avalanche seven and oh on the
road this postseason to say we appreciate you. Sorry, we

(01:59:12):
have to cut you short. We will bring you back
in here in a little bit. You got it. Thank you.
Coming up our four obviously, Bernie Fratto will join us.
A lot of good stuff out of Vegas. Bernie of
course follows us at the top of every hour. So
Bernie Fratto coming up. Aeron towards Jason Martin here on
a Saturday night. Plenty more coming up. This is Fox
Sports Radio. Welcome in everybody, our four Fox Sports Radio,

(01:59:36):
Aeron towards Jason Martin here on a Saturday night fun show.
So far fund show. Obviously, a lot of reaction to
Games six on Thursday, night, Golden State Warriors beat the
Boston Celtics. They are your NBA champions. Talk a little
to Shaun Watson, talked a little tyree kill all sorts
of good stuff here if, by the way, if you
missed any of it, you can go back and check out.

(01:59:58):
The podcast will be available shortly after of the show,
and UH, I should mention, by the way, Bernie fred
will join us about fifteen minutes. Bernie Freddo of course
follows us at the top of the hour, straight out
of Vegas. Bernie will come on and tell us about
all sorts of good stuff. What was another busy couple
of weeks in Vegas with these NBA playoffs? And Uh,
Bernie just texted me he's got some stuff on. C J. Carr, who,

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as I just alluded to, is the grandson of Lloyd Carr,
uh the the former Michigan legendary coach and the last
national champion. Uh, Bernie we know is very plugged in
the state of Michigan. I guarantee you this, Jason Martin,
there is nowhere you're gonna get C. J. Carr talk
at one one am Eastern time, quite like you're gonna
get it here on Fox Sports Radio with Erin Torst,

(02:00:43):
Jason Martin, and Bernie Fraddo. Here in just a couple
of minutes, so no doubt. All right, let's get into it.
Game six was Thursday night. As I said, Boston Celtics
and the Golden State Warriors. Golden State wins the NBA title.
We've hit on this from a bunch of different angles, Jason,
as I said, moment terrorly or a minute ago, I
should say, Um, you know, there's there's so much to

(02:01:05):
peel back. But but what I want to start to
do now we if you miss anything, go back and
listen to the podcast. I want to start to look ahead.
Let's start with Golden State Warriors because something that we
talked about earlier in the show. Um, you know, I
look at this team and I look at the setup,
with where they are, with who they are, with the
fact that you have these young guys emerging Jordan Poole, uh,

(02:01:27):
I think we're gonna see some good stuff out of
Jonathan COMMINGGMA, Jonathan COMMINGA and Moses Moody in the coming years.
Andrew Wiggins is very much in his prime and getting
very comfortable in his own skin. You know, if you
had told me before these playoffs that Golden State would
win the title, I don't think that I would have
been surprised, But what I would have been surprised by

(02:01:49):
if you had told me Golden State is gonna win
the title and they're really kind of positioned for another three,
four five year run where they could stay a top
of this sport. That something that I don't know that
I would have believed, but it is something that I
believe now that Golden State, uh, not only is a
team that is going to have the opportunity to to
to you know, celebrate this title. You start to look

(02:02:11):
at some of the young guys emerging, the fact that
that takes the pressure off of Steph and Clay and
Draymond to play eighty two games a year eighty one
games a year. I look at this team and I
really like where they are, not only now as the
now champions, but going forward these next couple of years. Yeah,
I mean, they're they're built to be able to sustain this. Um,

(02:02:35):
we know what you've got in terms of your star power,
but you also have guys that have come of age
and you've seen you know, Jordan Pool didn't have a
great finals. But Jordan Poole learned a lot. And you
mentioned earlier that he plays out of control from time
to time. That's absolutely true. He plays like a young
guy sometimes a little bit too excited. He's moving a
little bit too fast. Like my daughter's four team months.

(02:02:57):
She's not walking up sometimes she's almost walking and you
can kind of see it in the way she's doing.
She gets ahead of herself. Then she realized where she is.
She has been sitting down directly where she is, and
she just looked around like, Nope, not ready yet, not
ready yet, got a little ahead of my skis. And
I think that's kind of what Jordan Paul did. But
there were moments where you could see him sitting on
the bench where he's sitting there watching guys they're going

(02:03:18):
to the Hall of Fame that have now won four championships,
and you can't help but be able to soak up
some of that and be able to take that with you.
We've seen the coming of age and Andrew Wiggins. We've
seen Gary Payton Jr. Play a key role defensively for
this team. You've seen cominga as you mentioned, and Kavan
Looney and guys that just fit. And then you've got
a coach and Steve Kerr that's been masterful more often

(02:03:41):
than not at knowing how to utilize that personnel. I mean,
and he's got the cloud to be able to sit
Draymond Green down at times when that comes. So as
long as you got Kerr, as long as you've got
an ownership group and a general manager that knows what
they're doing like Bob Myers does, and you've got a
you've got a team that's led by a true leader

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who's also willing to sit back at times and allow
other guys to flourish, so it never becomes hero ball
unless the moment is too big for everybody else, and
then he'll step up and do it. Yeah, the Warriors
are built to last. They are absolutely built to last.
If I told you going into next season, do you
believe they're the favorite or do you believe you know

(02:04:23):
they're they're in that group that includes filling the blank teams. Yeah,
I think they're in the group. I would not say
they are the favorites. They certainly are are a team
that could win it all. I think you've got to
look at the Milwaukee UM. We'll see what Boston does.
I think they're a little there to me there behind
Milwaukee if Chris Middleton is healthy, but you can you

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can put them in there. Um and b was right
there on the m v P. Becuse because Harden exists.
I don't think you put them there. But you've got
stars everywhere. I don't think that there's one. Just definitive overwhelming.
They're definitely gonna win it. Kind of favorite next year.
And there's some young teams like what's Minnesota gonna be
next year? Is Memphis gonna build on a two seed

(02:05:05):
in the West this past year to really take off
and emerge, Like there's there's a lot that is yet
to be determined, but there's certainly one of those teams
that if you were gonna place money on somebody, Golden
State would be a pretty good bet. Yeah, Milwaukee is
the one that strikes me is is when you're not
only the defending champion, but you take Boston to a

(02:05:26):
game seven. Obviously Boston ends up making the NBA Finals,
and you take Boston to a game seven when, um,
you know you don't have the second best player, the
second most important player. It says to me, if if
they can get through Uh you know, the season, in
the playoffs healthy, I think they're in really good position. Uh.
You know, the Warriors are obviously in that conversations we

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just said, as I joked earlier, the Clippers list, and
I think the Clippers are in that conversation. If guys
can stay healthy, the question becomes whether they can stay healthy. Uh.
Brooklyn is obviously very interesting, Miami is very interesting. So
I'm with you. I I enjoyed these playoffs and I
will say too, is that I really did feel like, um,
you know, I really did feel like the Warriors re

(02:06:10):
established themselves kind of on that national scale. I'm not
positive that they are the definitive favorites. I want to
switch gears to the Celtics because the Celtics to me,
are just as interesting and as I kind of reflect
back on everything that that we've seen over the last
couple of weeks and a couple of months with them,
it really again and I know I mentioned this earlier,

(02:06:31):
but it really speaks to something that you say on
this show, Jason, that really resonated with me as I
watched them is there's no such thing as as a
title window. It's right now, if you got the chance
take full advantage. And I bring it up because you
look at these Celtics. They were a great story. There
are great core of young players that I could absolutely

(02:06:55):
see back on this big stage here. Um, you know,
I've seen back next year. I could see him making
a couple of finals runs over the next decade. But
as I said earlier, and as you've said many times
throughout just our our time working together, the window felt
like it was this year, and the window felt you know,
and and it just felt like all the breaks went

(02:07:16):
their way. Milwaukee doesn't have Chris Middleton, the Miami Heat
don't have at various points Jimmy Butler, Kyle Lowry, Tyler
hero Um, the Nets. You get them in round one
before they pick up any steam, and they're kind of
a mess, and they're dealing with the Ben Simmons thing.
I just felt like I could see the Celtics getting
back at some point. But usually when you have a

(02:07:37):
young core like this, led by what we deemed to
be a young star and Jayson Tatum, the assumption is
they're gonna be in the conversation every year, and I
think they will be, but I don't think they're necessarily
the favorites coming into next year, even in the East.
I think they got a lot of stuff that they
got to deal with just within that own conference. And
if you told me that it's three or four or

(02:07:57):
five years before they're back in this conversation, I wouldn't
be surprised at all, just because of how good Milwaukee is,
how good Miami is, all that stuff. Yeah, I mean,
I think they're they're certainly in the conversation. They're they're
among the best. But by no means do I think
their favorites. Milwaukee to me is the best team in
the East. Miami will be heard from again because suppose
just that level of coach and Butler is that level

(02:08:17):
of dog um, you know, Philadelphia's Philadelphia. I'm just looking
at a list of the teams in the East right now,
and I'm saying, how many teams do I think are
certainly in the mix as we go forward? You look
at some teams that were young, that didn't quite have
enough at the time. Chicago, what are they gonna do.
They're gonna lose Zach Lavine to Portland and take a
step back. Cleveland actually is building something a little bit now.

(02:08:40):
They're young and they're not gonna be heard from next year,
but they're gonna be better. You would think, um, the Knicks,
they're gonna make some kind of move this offseason. What
differences are gonna make? I don't know. Toronto is usually
a pretty good team. They're well coached and they've been
able to win even since Kauai has left. Um. I mean,
there's certainly there's still a playoff team, and there's still
probably a top half playoff team, and they certainly will

(02:09:03):
be one of the teams that you watch all year
and think, yeah, they've got a shot. But we've got
to see Jason Tatum take a step of consistency. I
think that's the difference between star and superstar. It's can
you do it on a consistent basis, regardless of competition,
and can you do it in pressure pack situations? And
that's not what we saw from Tatum in this series.

(02:09:24):
It's not what we saw from him technically all the
way through the playoffs. That to me is the step
he still has to take now. Janice took that step
a few years ago. There was time when he was
settling for outside shots. He was absolutely brutal with a
free throw line and then he went home and he
worked on it, and he came back and he was
a little better, and then the following year is even
better than that, and won the championship that year, and

(02:09:46):
then this year we saw, you know, he's continuing to
put all of this together. Tatum's got to go home
and he's got to he's got a man up a
little bit. He's got to develop that dog in him.
And look, I don't know if he's gonna be able
to do it, but it's the lack of consistency with
him that bothers me most that and just kind of
an attitude of I don't know that I'm ready for

(02:10:08):
dismantle that that some people want to place on me.
And as such, I'm gonna play in a way where
we can get that mantle off me. So I said earlier, Um,
if Golden State, I think I said the next five
years over under one and a half NBA finals, and
you said that number felt about right. Probably. I think
you said maybe an over but not you know significant,

(02:10:31):
I'll ask you saying Boston Celtics next five years. If
I said over under NBA finals, not championships, just to
make it back to the finals. If I said over
under one and a half over the next five years.
What would you say? You said one and a half again?
Um Man, it's just I would I would again say one.

(02:10:52):
Like I think both of them saying one is fair.
I think that they absolutely have the opportunity to be there.
But try to say that that Celtics team is going
to get back, like there were some things that broke
their way that you just can't rely on going forward.
They need to take a step if they need to
move on. For Marcus Smart, because like I said, and

(02:11:14):
I mentioned this earlier, I was very disappointed in Tatum,
but I was also disappointed Marcus Smart because when something's
not working, stop doing it. The flopping wasn't working in
Game six, but we kept on doing it, didn't we.
Like Udoka even said to his team, look, we don't
need to do this kind of stuff, and they kept
on doing it. They need to listen to their coach

(02:11:36):
and Marcus Smart's gotta have another. Look, he's got to
have another He's got to have another hit. Like he
can't be a one hit wonder here. He's a good
basketball player. He's not a pure point guard, and in
that game he was he was a problem for them,
and that kind of basketball is what's going to cost them.
And I wonder, even though he's endeared a lot for
what he does, at least within the confines of Boston,

(02:11:58):
they have to have guys that play smart ball in
the moment. And I don't mean Marcus smart ball. I
mean actually intelligent basketball. Grant Williams. I've heard some people
say probably as the highest basketball i Q on the team,
and there's some other guys that I think are certainly
intelligent on that team to what they're doing on the floor,
but smart I'm just like, dude, why do you keep
doing this? The officials are not calling it for you.

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This is not benefiting you. You've now gotten three fouls
on you where you've ended up on the ground, and
it's been a potential open shot, uh for Golden State
on the other side, I'm curiously what they do there,
I really am, because there there are some pieces on
that Boston team that I think need to be exercised
or evolved if they want to still be in the

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mix if things get more difficult as we move along.
So we will continue the conversation on the NBA Finals.
Golden State obviously taking care of business against the Boston Celtics,
and we'll bring in our buddy Bernie Friday to do it.
Bernie Frido straight out of Vegas. You'll hear him at
the top of the hour, but you'll also hear him
next with Aaron Towards and Jason Martin. This is Fox
Sports or Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Eronin towrds

(02:13:03):
Jason Martin here Saturday night. And as I say, every
week one twenty Eastern, when you hear Big pimpin either
means you're in the club. Are you listening to Fox
Sports Radio? And Bernie Fridays joined us from Vegas, Bertie,
what's up? Man? Guys? Just to put a quick cap
around the Notre Dame recruit, C J. Car to Michigan

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a couple of things. He's had his sights set on
going to Notre Dames in seventh grade, kind of like
Damon Bailey at Indiana. And then there's a reference. But
the long and short of it is, thinks how this
story is always couched. It's always he's Lloyd Carr's grandson,
which he is. He doesn't want that shadow hanging over
him at Michigan because the whole time he's there. It's
always going to be Lloyd Carr's grandson. Ntil we wanted

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to go to Notre Dame. Secondly, the blue was off
the rules from Michigan recruiting just a little bit because
when Jim Harbaugh flirted with the NFL last year and
even flew to Minnesota on signing Day, that has not
sat well in the recruiting trail and behind the scenes.
It's been talked about a lot. Eventually it'll blow over,
but it's a hurdle. They've got a clear But here's

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the thing. Also, Aaron that you probably already know about.
Michigan has the inside track on another five star recruit
named Dante More out of Martin Luther Kinning High School
in Detroit. Big time quarterback LSU wants him, Oregon wants
the Penn State wants him. Looks like Michigan might get him.
So those are the three reasons why C. J. Carr
ended up at Notre Dame. So we're gonna get to
the Vegas stuff in a minute. Obviously, Bernie fred Austra

(02:14:29):
at Vegas, you can hear him in about forty five
minutes from now. But burn, let me ask you because
you know I kind of did say in passing, you
know when the saga and Jason and myself we're joking
about the CJ. Car situation is you know, everyone that
I talked to in college football is like, look, it's
not gonna break the program. That Jim Harball was very

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openly flirting with the NFL. But you know, you take
a situation where you have more momentum now coming off
a Big Ten championship in a college football playoff Berth
and the analogy that I used at the time, it
was like of mice and men like Lenny, you know,
he just squeezed the mouse and then yeah, and that
was kind of hardball, like he everything was perfect and

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then he just went and goofed off with the NFL.
Uh interviewed for a job that you told us all
along he wasn't gonna get. Like what is just the
state of you know, energy around the program because there
was so much excitement and it feels like it's been
a lot of negative this offseason. If you go back
to Josh Gaddis leaving. Obviously Mike McDonald, the defensive coordinator,
I understand why he went to the NFL, but Josh

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Gaddis takes the same position at Miami. The recruiting stuff,
C J. Carr, What is the viber on the program
right now? Well, Josh Gaddis took the job because of
the five week hiatus between the uncertainty with Jim, with
Jim Harball, and and also Josh Gaddis was told he
would not be getting the head coaching job if in
fact Hardball left, and that did not sit well with

(02:15:51):
Jim Gaddis. But our Josh Gaddis, excuse me, but the
long and the short of it is, while this was
a fly in the ointment and an unpleasant situation for
a lot of it's really kind of blown over. And
to your point, Michigan's coming off their best season under
the in the Jim Harbaugh era, and they are they
are trying to build on that momentum. Having said that,
there are a thirteen and a half point favorite at

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Ohio State, and I think they're gonna get their butt kicked. Um.
L I V Golf. Uh, the idea of betting, it seems,
I don't know. You you have mentioned that there are
some there's some added challenges when it comes to betting
l IV golf. Well, right now, there's only two books
in Vegas and in Arizona that are booking at the

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the Station Casinos in in Jake Cornergie over at the
West Gate. There were some concerns heading into this this
tournament circuit about their governing body, and those concerns have
been somewhat answered. But there are also a lot of
other moving parts. In addition to the field and the
courses and placing odds, there are also is a team

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aspect to this and a different sort of scoring aspect
based on not only individual scores, but team scores. So
they're sorting through that. Be that as it may, They're
gonna plow through. And there are six remaining live tournaments
this year and you will see them on the board.
So burn Speaking of golf, obviously, US opens this weekend.
What has the action been like? And I hear you've

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got some interesting stuff on this weekend's US Open. Well,
the action has been pretty brisk because the majors always
do well. Typically the Masters is the most heavily bet major,
but the US Open has the highest um, the highest
opportunity to win money. It's the biggest pool. There are
three props that I find very interesting particularly since this

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US Open has played at the Brookline Country Club. This
is only the fourth time it's ever been at the
Brookline Country Club, which is the oldest country club in
the United States. The tournament was played there in nineteen thirteen,
nineteen sixty three, and in not since nineteen eighty eight.
What's the significance every time that the US Open has
been played at the Brookline Country Club, It's ended up

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in a playoff. You've got some guys bunched up on
top tomorrow. So one of the props is will there
be a playoff? And prior to Thursday you could have
got yes plus three hundred, no minus four fifty. So
that's a prop to watch. The second one, of course,
will to be a hole in one yes minus one
plus one ten. Here's another sort of a unique prop,

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you know, surrounding this tournament. What will be the winning
nationality of the winner of the US Open. If you're
from the USA, you bet minus one forty. If he's European,
plus two tents. So if John rom wins this, I
believe he's from Spain, you guess plus two ten. If
he's Asian you get twelve to one, and then the
rest of the world plus three seventy five. So as always,

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lots of props around the golf tournament. So we're alrea
starting to see futures when it comes to NFL and
college football. What's going on there? Burne Yeah, again, the
creative aspect of NFL futures props never ceases to amaze me.
This one caught my eye, but one part good, one
particular bet the pros took very seriously. It's what you

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call a crossover prop between college and the NFL. For instance,
who all have more regular season wins the Chiefs or
Ohio State. The Chiefs are favorite minus Buccaneers or Alabama
Buccaneers minus the Rams or Georgia. Now this one's interesting
because the pros fired all over this. They fired on Georgia.

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Georgia gets to avoid l s U and Alabama and
their Troughs road game is at Florida, who was completely rebuilding.
Florida will be checked that Georgia will be favorite and
at least fourteen points and every single one of their games.
The belief is they can go twelve and o on
the regular season. Meanwhile, the Rams, in addition to a
potential Super Bowl hangover, their schedule includes Tampa Bay, Green Bay,

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Kansas City on the road. Meanwhile, they also played by
the Way. They also play Buffalo and the Chargers in
the forty twice Georgia. As I said, I'm in him
in fourteen point favorite or more in every game. The
other interesting regional props you might, guys might get kick
out of this. Miami Dolphins are Miami Hurricanes, who wins
more Miami's favorite minus Cincinnati Bengals or Cincinnati Barricott's believe

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it or not, the Bengals or minus. Then finally, the
Steelers in Pittsburgh, uh the Pittsburgh Panthers interestedly enough, they're
both even, but a lot of folks like the Steelers.
I think we might have talked about this last week
burn but are there any early college football lines or
college uh NFL lines for Week one or Week two?
I mean, obviously some of the big college out of

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conference games already on the board, and I said, there's
been some line movement. Are there any that you like specifically? Well,
first of all, we're gonna get into this later. It
won't be long now, guys, for just two weeks from
July and the next you know, it'll be camp. The
next you know, it will be the Hall of Fame game.
And right end of the season, there are six divisional
games Week one the dogs have covered on opening day,

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Divisional dogs have covered We're gonna get into y later
and down the road in which games you want to
fire on? But the three games that the pros really
jumped on in the college football Games of the year,
they got on Navy plus nineteen over air Force. That
line has already moved down to twelve. Uh. They like
Iowa State plus thirteen over Iowa. Iowa is now a

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seven point favorite, not just a thirteen point favorite. And
everybody's sort of fired now on the Browns under minus
one forty under of eight the total was eight and
a half three weeks ago. Shade it in the over
and will the Browns make the playoffs? They're an underdog
to make the playoffs. Now you can get them yes,
plus two sixty five. So you know, a lot of movement.

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This is what I call them Deshaun Watson effect. I
think there's a probability he may not play at all
this year. Was he would happen if By the way,
not for nothing, guys, I just want to get this
off my chest. I want to give Jason Tatum a
little I want to throw them a bone, the kids
twenty four years old, they were two games from a championship.
Was not his final finance moment in the finals, but
it's somewhat overshadows the fact at the top of Brooklyn,

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Milwaukee and Miami just get to the finals and if
you look ahead and next year. They just released the
championship odds for every team in the NBA forty eight
hours ago. The Golden State Warriors are favorites plus five fifty.
But who's right behind them? Boston plus six fifty, followed
by Brooklyn and the Clippers, both seven to one. Milwaukee's
eight to one, Phoenix is nine to one. You might

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as well light that money on fire, at least if
you're warm. And then right on down the line the
Lakers fourteen to one, in Miami fourteen to one. But
who are the top two in terms of the Betty
markets and favorites Golden State in Boston. He is Bernie Frido.
You can hear him at the top of the hour
straight out of Vegas. Bernie will be with you through
six am Eastern time. Bernie, we always appreciate your time.

(02:22:43):
Thank you as always, thank you for the information and
we'll be listening to the top of the hour my
friend joeyr Revenia. Guys, thanks for having me. That is
Bernie Frado straight out of Vegas. Here him at the
top of the hour. As I said, taking you straight
from to a m. Eastern to six a m Eastern time. Um.
More reaction to Bernie everything that Bernie had to say.
But before we do final time this evening, let's get

(02:23:05):
to Steve to Seger with what's trending? What's up? Hello,
guys at the US Open, which he mentioned the co
leaders include Matt Fitzpatrick of England. He would, with a
win tomorrow, become the first player ever from outside the
US to capture both the US Amateur and the US
Open in his career. And the thing is he won
his US Amateur on this exact course in Brookline, Massachusetts.

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Will Zalatorus of the U S is tied for that
league going into the final round tomorrow. Zalatorus last month
lost the p g A Championship in a playoffs, so
I don't recall him winning on the p g A tour,
but he's Stupen close in majors already in his career.
They had this stat on the telecast today that you
go back about thirty years of the U S Open,
how close do you have to be realistically to have

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a chot a shot at taken the title on Sunday.
The winners were all tied for eighth or better going
into the final round the last thirty one US Opens,
and most of them were within four shots of the
lead going into the final round. John Ram led today
until a double bogie on the final hole. He's one
shot back, Scottie Scheffler two back. He's ranked number one

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in the world. Ram is number two, and Rory McElroy,
rank number three, is three shots back. McElroy shot a
third round seventy three today, Dustin Johnson's two over par.
He's six back, as is Colin Morikawa, who shot a
seventy seven. This is a guy who's won a couple
of majors already now. Rom was the last of eight
players today who had at least a share of the

(02:24:31):
lead at some point. Three of them, though, didn't even
finish in the top ten by the end of the day,
including Colin Morricab who had a couple of dope double
bogies probably should have had a third. Uh Jordan's beef
is three over par along with Justin Thomas Brooks kept
five over after seventy five. Today, Bryson deshambo eight over.
He's tied for fifty fifth place. Stanley Cup Final being

(02:24:52):
led by Colorado two games to none after tonight's seven
nothing victory over Tampa Bay, which will host games three
and four Monday and Wednesday night. Gold State assistant Kenny
Atkinson turned down the Charlotte head coaching job after agreeing
to a four year deal there recently. He will remain
as the Warriors top assistant among the finalists for the
Charlotte job a couple of weeks ago, where Mike D'Antoni
and Terry Stotts. The Hornets have missed the playoffs six

(02:25:15):
straight years and a Charlotte team hasn't won a first
round series since two thousand two. The Lakers hired Chris
Gent as an assistant. He worked with new head coach
Darvin Hamm in Atlanta years ago. He's also a former
Calves assistant. The NBA Draft is Thursday. Wimbledon starts in
about a week and Naomi Osaka withdrew from that tournament
due to an achilles injury. NASCAR's Cup Series is off

(02:25:36):
this weekend. FS one had a Truck Series race tonight
from Knoxville on the Dirt. The winner Todd Gillilan. The
USFL's regular season ends this weekend on Fox TV. Today,
Birmingham goes to nine and one, beating Tampa Bay. There's
a game tomorrow night on FS one. Everything's final. In
Major League Baseball, the Angels got a home run from
Mike Trout in each game of a doubleheader sweep at Seattle.

(02:25:57):
Minnesota led nine nothing in the fourth, wound up winning
eleven one at Arizona. Tonight, Dylan Bundio at an e
r eight near six through eight great innings Colorado five
four over San Diego and a solo homer in the
bottom of the eighth. The Dodgers finally got some offense
seven one over the Cleveland Guardians, ending their five game
winning streak. Although the Dodgers with running in score runners

(02:26:18):
in scoring position two for fourteen, that has been a
constant problem recently. Cleveland was second in the AL Central,
but now two games behind the Twins. Jose Ramirez was
out with a sore thumb. Dodgers are back alone and
first in the NL West half game up on the Padres.
And today a Sandy Kofax statue was unveiled at Dodger Stadium,
and he was there and spoke Mookie Betts still out.

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Bruised rib is what they were saying after the game.
Cracked rib for Mookie Bets, He's headed to the injured list. St.
Louis one eleven to two at Boston. Cardinals are first
in the NL Central game over Milwaukee, which won seven
three at Cincinnati. And Brewers outfielder Lorenzo Caine was designated
for assignment today on the very day he re exactly

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ten years of Major league service. Philadelphia won its fifth
straight game, a ten inning win at Washington two to one,
and the Yankees won their ninth in a row for
nothing at Toronto. And finally, we had a no hitter
in Japan today and it came from their Olympic gold
medal ace, Yoshiobu Yamamoto, and in fact, for the Japanese League,
this is already their fourth no hitter of the season,

(02:27:22):
first time they've had four in a single Japanese season
since World War two. This guy won too nothing today
for the Rix Buffaloes. This is a picture who won
their Say Young Award for their league last year. Back
to you, thanks Steve Sager, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports
Saturday and towards Jason Martin Here Saturday night, about a
half hour from now, Bernie Fratto will be taken over

(02:27:43):
for us straight on Vegas. Make sure you tune into Burn. So, Jason,
you know something struck me. I wanted your opinion on it.
Sort of has to do with the finals, but sort
of dozen't. Um. We in, uh, you know, we we
work in the media here and this is what we do.
We got some competition in our old Buddy dream on
Green um, and I was just curious. I thought a

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lot about this. You know, he's big on this new media. Um,
you know we're taking over where this? Where that? What
are your thoughts on Draymond? I mean not not you know,
like hosting a podcast, But he he seems to have
this belief that, Um, I don't know if I guess
he thinks that in like the next ten years, all
media is going to be current or former players. Where

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where are you at on this? I I find it
very interesting. I have some thoughts on it. I don't
want to be a hater or anything like that, so
I'll tee it up for you. But but have you
seen this and what are your thoughts? If? If? If? So? Um,
And it's on par for Jmond to say this, and
it's to his benefits saying, Look, he's gonna be successful
in the media because he's willing to say stuff, and

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he's gonna follow the blueprint of a Charles Barkley type
in terms of that, and he's gonna have an opportunity.
He's already got a job. C J. McCollum is still playing,
but he's employed by ESPN. Now you're seeing what Patrick
Beverley did. There was obviously a reason for what he
was doing. They're trying to set themselves up. One of
the most popular sports podcast is Up in Smoke. That's
Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes. There's a lot of athletes

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have a lot to say and that are very very good. Uh.
To the point that I made earlier, not everybody needs
a podcast. I think that a lot of I think
Draymond thinks a lot of these guys are better at this.
And I also think this goes to this idea that
everybody thinks they can do this job better than the

(02:29:31):
people that do it. Every single person listening at some
point in times like I should be doing that. This
guy hasn't a business doing it. I'm sure people thought
that about me, they thought that about you, They thought
that about everybody. And look, that's not to say that
some of them couldn't. There's more that goes into this
than people think. And I also think that the idea
of all the Look, all these podcasts are going to

(02:29:52):
cannibalize each other at some point in time, there's got
to be an organizational structure surrounding it. It's the same
thing you were beginning to start seeing, which I predicted
years ago. When it comes to cable and streaming. Now
everybody's pulling their content off of Netflix and setting up
their own streaming service, and so they're cannibalizing each other.
Netflix's money is never gonna be the same again, most

(02:30:14):
likely unless they do some kind of sports rights deal,
because they just don't have the same draw that they
once did. So eventually it goes back around to man,
somebody needs to take all these streaming services and put
them in one place, and that's called cable and eventually
it goes full circle when it comes back. The same
thing is gonna happen here. Like all these podcasts, there's
so many now very few of them can stand out.

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Draymond has Draymond's name, so Draymond could get his out there.
I don't see a universe where it's all athletes because
most of the time, if it's all athletes without the
actual professional structure around it, the person that can be
the at least the referee in the center. They can

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keep topics moving. That understands all that kind of thing.
A lot of stuff is bad, Aaron, that's the other stuff,
Like everybody can have a podcast, but most of them
suck like that. That's just the truth. And athletes the
same way they think everything they do is interesting. That's
just not the case. It's the same thing as you
think you need to post every meal that you've had
on social media. I promise you don't like we we

(02:31:19):
don't care. It's it's all right. You can just live
your life. So I think that he is overstepping and
it just it's just because he doesn't really know this
industry the same way. I think he's going to be successful.
But I also don't think there's a lot of folks
like him. I think he's unique and that's why he's
got the opportunity. Yeah, it's really interesting. I think. You know.
My thought is, you know, it's funny, right like when

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we criticize, oh, you guys, are you're threatened by him?
You're this year that it's like no, I mean, I
I just look at it, and I do think like
I think he's he has a unique gift. Um. I
think his voice resonates more now because he's playing UM.
And you know, I think at a certain point he's
just gonna be like a retired guy that has an
opinion and you know, will probably you know, current players

(02:32:04):
will criticize him like they criticize Charles Barkley right now, right. Um.
But I I also just think that, Um, I don't know.
I just think that first of all, you know, uh,
you either have an interesting thing, interesting opinions to say,
or you don't either if you're a woe to Jay
Glaze or a shift or you either have the information
or you don't. And so I do find it funny. Um,

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I don't like wish Ill will against him like he's
sort of competition but he's sort of not. I mean,
we're all competing for the same you know, eyeballs and
listeners and whatever. But I don't know that like both
can't coexist, whether it's sports talk radio, whether it's whatever
and what he does. And so I've found it funny. Um,
like you said, I don't think he fully understands like

(02:32:47):
how the media works and and and I think there
needs to be perspective outside of the current and former players. Um.
I think if you're interesting, you're gonna have interesting things
to say. And it doesn't matter if you're a current
player or former player, never play the sport me or you. Uh,
And I'm just curious for your thoughts. So this is
Fox Sports Radio Eron towards Jason Martin here Saturday night. Uh,
last segment coming up. We got one more left. We're

(02:33:09):
gonna talk about some things look ahead to the week
that is coming in sports Aeron towards Jason Martin, Fox
Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Aeron towards
Jason Martin here on a Saturday night. So Jason, real quick, uh,
you know to Sayer told us a few times, got
us caught up on the US Open the one thing
that I have not really asked you about tonight. UH

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live golf, l I V live whatever however you pronounce it. Oh,
where are you at on this? I mean, obviously you
know what's interesting to me is obviously these guys are
still playing in the US Open. I guess there's an
event next week in Europe that they're playing in, so
they're sort of not on the PGA Tour, but they're
still playing the majors which aren't technically run by the

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p G A uh, I find a little weird. But
I will say, you know, there's some big names that
that are leaving the PGA Tour and I don't know.
I I think it's an interesting inflection point for golf
in that you throw these guys enough money, guys are
saying yes, And what is the PGA Tour with about

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with without about six or seven marquee players and a
couple of them have already left. Um, what do you
make a live? So far? Well, it's weird because nobody
misses the cut and the money, the money is absurd.
It's hard. It really is hard, because you're you're balancing
just awful human rights abuses and just the the idea

(02:34:37):
of taking money that's very unclean in a lot of ways,
but it's so much money. It's easy to be on
the outside and wag your finger at this when somebody
has not offered you two hundred million dollars. Now you that, look,
there might not be an amount of money that I
would take to to go to Live. But at the

(02:34:58):
same time, I could underst stand why some of these guys.
And I've talked to a few people in golf this
week and they said, look, you're Ian Poulter or you're
one of those guys like, yeah, maybe you end up
winning a major, but you're on the downside of your
career at this point in time, and Live is making
an offer for you to come and play a certain
amount of tournaments, and uh, you know, it could become

(02:35:20):
something gigantic and as a result, like this is the
kind of thing where you can make a quick decision
that can change your family forever in terms of all that.
So I the fact that they don't have a television
partner right now is really interesting and just kind of
it's interesting that we're seeing something like the p G

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A B challenged and there are players they're saying, look,
we're going to find another way. And it turns out
the Saudi has been trying to get into golf for
a long time. They've been trying to find a foothold
into golf as they have with a couple of other sports.
And and the problem I thinking, and most of us
see it this way, It's just like, what are they
getting into this for. Well, they're getting into it so

(02:36:02):
that we can know Saudi Arabia for things other than
what we know Saudi Arabia for. Uh. If they can
become this in entertainment, this in sports, then they have
something else that they can put in their brochures or
something else that they can try to at least sell
to their own population about what's going on. I'm fascinated
by this story, even though I don't exactly know where

(02:36:25):
it's going. And I find it amazing to watch somebody,
especially like Phil Mickelson, become almost a pariah in the
sport and even with the fans, and then missing the
cut and it seemed like it was it was really
easy to root against Phil because of what's happened this year,
and this is what a year after he was the
best story in golf, Like it's just amazing how fast

(02:36:48):
things changed. Well, yeah, you know, it's interesting because there
is the I think, like in the lead up to
it was the again, is somebody actually going to take
this money from Saudi Arabia, Um, you know, Saudi Arabian
oil people, and and we know, you know, kind of
some of the human rights abuses and all that good stuff.

(02:37:08):
But once it happened, once guys you know kind of
you know, jump to the other side for whatever lack
of a better term that I can't think of right now. Now,
I just think the conversation is like, there aren't that
many marketable guys in in golf, and it'd be one
thing if, as you said, it was just Ian Poulter
and a bunch of old guys that nobody cares about,

(02:37:29):
like Dustin Johnson's a monster, like Bryson D. Shambo is
a very prominent player on the tour. And those guys
are gone, and you know, I just think, you know,
golf needs all the Marquis people that it can possibly get,
and so I just think it's very fascinating and I
do think it's gonna be interesting to follow in the

(02:37:51):
coming years. I mean, um, you know, what is the
plan I know there's only about I think eight total tournaments,
but but I think the other thing in and I
think we're talking to Bernie about this last week. I
can't remember, but there's eight total tournaments. But I don't
think a lot of people realize a lot of them
are in the United States. Like I think we all
just kind of assumed, Oh, they're gonna go play in

(02:38:11):
Saudi Arabian. It's gonna be out of sight, out of mind.
It's like, no, there's gonna be a time in the
not too distant future where somebody is going to have
to choose. You know, they're they're hard earned money. Am
I going to a PGA Tour event? Am I going
to a live event? You know? Who's playing? Where? What time?
All that stuff. So fascinating deal, fascinating deal. Fascinating deal.

(02:38:32):
And of course this comes on the heels of the
fact that it is the final round of the US
Open is tomorrow. Uh so we will so we'll be
watching that. So Jason, it was great being back with you, man.
I'm glad too, glad to be back, and we will
be back next week. I think we're we uh, you know,
had some fun today. If you missed the show, make
sure to go ahead and download the podcast available shortly

(02:38:53):
after the show. But we do have to get out
of here. For Jason Martin, obviously, thank you to the Sager,
Thank you to the entire crew. Don on the board,
producer Bo. Bernie Friddo's coming up next, Bernie Friday, straight
out of Vegas. He is going to have all sorts
of good stuff and not only live golf in the
US Open, but also some of the NFL, NBA Finals
and all that good stuff. Bernie Friddo's next For Jason Martin,

(02:39:13):
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