Aaron Torres & Jason Martin React to the Bears Comeback Win, Break Down the First Round of the CFP & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome in everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday aratorres
Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
It is eleven pm Eastern Time. So jmart fun story.
So I was out last week. I think you were too.

(00:24):
I I was traveling all week. I just opened up
my backpack to pull out my headphones. Apparently I grabbed
a banana from the UH buffet in the morning and
forgot it was in there. I got like a ten
day old banana that I just found in my backpack. Yeah,
so so much like James Madison and Twulane. You know,

(00:44):
my saturdays have been better. Uh, but uh, that's what's
currently going on in my world. First of all, I
was out last week. I hope everything's okay with you.
I know Arnie and Arnie and VJ held down the spot.
I'm hoping you just had maybe a little tick in
your throat or something.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
And dude, it was rough. There's a pretty bad stomach
bug going around around the country, but really around this area.
And my daughter, my four year old, caught it on
Thursday of last week and I was home with her.
She wasn't able to go to school a day, so
I was home with her all day, and then I
was there with her all day on Friday as well,

(01:22):
and she kind of got better Friday and everything was fine,
and my wife and I went to bed and I
woke up at midnight and I was just like, oh,
I don't think I feel quite right. And I went
to grab a trash can from the bathroom because I thought, okay,
I might need this. I'm bit and get it now.
And the trash can was gone, and so I came

(01:43):
back and I laid down in the bed and I
had gotten a second trash can, and my wife just
leans over and she says, are you feeling nauseous? And
I said yeah, she said me too. We caught it simultaneously,
oh no, and then my one year old caught it
about two in the afternoon, so literally we were all
down with it. My mother in law had to come
over and take the four year old now that she

(02:07):
was well, because I literally could not get out of
bed aaron and my wife barely could either. I caught
it worse than she did, no question about that, but man,
I would not advise it. If you have a chance
to get it pass because it was one of the
worst stomach viruses I have ever had. I literally had
a leg cramp for nine hours straight that I couldn't

(02:29):
get rid of. But I was feeling so miserable. I
just laid there with the leg cramp dehydrated because if
I stood up, it was not gonna be good.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
I was gonna say, did your four year old when
everybody went down? Did she pull the captain phillips? I'm
the captain now and just start, you know, home alone?

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Ordering She no, She's just like, can you play with me?
And we were like, listen, we need to explain something
to you. You caught this fast, which means you're doing well.
Mommy and daddy are not doing well. I wasn't right
eron until Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Damn man, it was rough.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Brother. So yeah, let's let's just say I would have
rather been on the air last week with Arnie.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
He would have given you a different turn of how
mad the virus was. Yes, yeah, you would. You would
have come down with something else having worked for three
hours with Arnie Spanier. But I do appreciate, and I
know you appreciate as well. Arnie filling in sure with
VJ last week and yeah, sorry, we couldn't be there.
I was traveling, Jason. I'm guessing it sounds like you
sound you sound great, you sound good to go. Okay, now, okay,

(03:27):
well very good. Well I'm glad you're feeling better. And
let's get to the topic of the day. Well, really,
there's multiple The NFL games are coming to an end.
Green Bay is currently up on the Chicago Bears sixteen
to nine. The Bears have just scored. There are under
two minutes to go, so we'll keep you updated on that,
and certainly as that game goes final, we'll talk ramifications.

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Let's tell college football, j Mart and you know, so
I'll say this is that I do think there are
two different conversations you know, can lead with. One was
the you know, thrillers probably not the perfect word to
describe it, but certainly very entertaining game in college station

(04:13):
the Miami Hurricanes. You can't say that it was a
shocking upset of the of the Texas A and m Aggie's.
They win ten to three. A late Malachi Tony touchdown
sealed the victory. A late interception did give in fact,
Miami the victory. I will say this though, and I
don't know if I'm wrong for doing this. It does

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feel like though, with just about everything final. Obviously, Alabama
took care of business against Oklahoma on Friday night, and
then of course here on Saturday. We mentioned the A
and M game. But then the final two games we
did have, of course two Lane and Old Miss. Old
Miss wins forty one to ten.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
So to Lane actually improved. They lost in the season
and so they were a little closer this time around.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
We could see the impact of Lane Kiff and not
being there. It was four points difference, and we are
closing in on a final in Austin Stadium. We have
Oregon up forty eight to twenty six with about eight
minutes to go. And I'll tell you, I think we're
gonna disagree on this, and it's okay. But the biggest
conversation that I'm seeing right now about this college football

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Playoff unfortunately wasn't isn't a very entertaining game from Friday night,
It isn't a very entertaining game from Saturday afternoon. It
is the fact that we did have two group of
five teams in this college football Playoff. They did not
handle themselves well. And it feels like the public is
ready to move on from G five's in the college
football Playoff. I'm going to give you the floor to

(05:46):
share your opinion on this.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
So two weeks ago, you asked me, was I happy
or was I excited that Tulane and maybe James Madison
at the time we're going to get an opportunity to play.
And I said yeah, because if you if you're not
going to let them in, then what are they playing for?
And then James Madison got in on Sunday and I
laughed because I certainly didn't want to see an eight

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and five duke team in the champions or in the
College Football Playoff. I was happy about that. Then we
get to these games today, and I think the problem
was increasingly before these games were played throughout this week,
I started looking at I was just like, man, I'm
not really looking forward to watching either one of these
two football games because I just don't see a world

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where they're going to be close. And then you watched
that first game and I sent you the message, and
then we were kind of going back and forth disagreeing.
So I'm interested to see exactly where this conversation leads.
But I just my position changes based on information when
it has to, and I did not want to be

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the one that would turn this fast because I don't
want to be a prisoner of the moment. But I
don't think that's it. I think it's just seeing. It's
just football is so different, and you look at the
nil era and the money that is being thrown around,
and the athlete difference, just the difference in talent, the size,
the speed, all of those things. Between two Lane and

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Ole Miss for the second time this season, and between
James Madison and Oregon a palpable difference that you could
see even from here much less. I'm sure it was
even more kind of stark if you were in person
and you're watching these you just think to yourself and look,
I saw what Joel Klatt had said during the course
of the week, and then I actually when I was

(07:37):
just kind of browsing for some opinions on Google, his
popped up and it was basically my exact feeling, and
it was just I hate the fact that James Madison
is going to be remembered or known only for this
game and not for being a really good football. It
just shouldn't be playing. Can I jump in on this. Yeah,
go right hood.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
They would not be remembered at all if they did
not play in this game. It's just the truth. I mean,
you can say they're, oh, well, let's play this G
five playoff. It's like, well, you know. And by the way,
I think everybody knows. By the way, I should mention,
the Bears have recovered an on side kick in Soldier Field.
And this is very much a ballgame. It was sixteen
to six, now it's sixteen to nine. Bears are driving

(08:19):
with under two minutes to go, so we might have
to pivot very quickly from TWU lane to the Bears
and the Packers. A great NFC North show down here. Yeah,
I just I cut you off, so I'm gonna I'm
gonna give it back to you. I don't think James
Madison is remembered for anything, and I do think listen,
there are a lot of layers to this. I think
if you asked the James Madison players, and by the way, Ian,

(08:41):
we don't have a stringer at any of these games,
do we could just give me a thumbs up thumbs down,
because I was gonna say that would be an interesting conversation.
Would you rather have a G five playoff that you
could potentially win and get a trophy at the end.
But NETT have an opportunity in this, but never know
how you actually stacked up against an Oregon, Ohio State

(09:01):
whoever you happen to be matched up with, or would
you rather have this situation where you stepped on the
field you simply weren't good enough. I don't know. There
are a lot of layers to it. I cut you off,
but I don't think a G five playoff is the answer.
I'll just be quick because I want to get it
back to you. I think this was a very strange

(09:22):
year where the ACC screwed up their tie break, screwed
up everything, and we had these two teams in and
you could say they don't belong but guess what, Tulan
actually beat the ACC champ this year. So I could
go on and on, but I just think generally they're
going to take up one spot. Yes, it was bad today,

(09:43):
it doesn't mean it will be bad next time. And
I think there's a bigger issue of why do we
constantly in college football there's an existential crisis every year
in the postseas. No matter what happens, everything has to
be blown up and done over again. I don't get it.
I don't I I wish we lived in a world
where both of these teams did not get in. That's

(10:04):
more of an ACC problem than a college football Playoff problem.
But I'll just be quick. The whole reason we expanded
the College Football Playoff was so that everybody had a
seated table. And it just feels weird to me two
years in to say, Okay, that was fun for two years,
but now let's just give the spot to the sixth
best SEC team or whatever.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Go ahead, you gamway, all right, So in theory, I
understand what you're saying. But here's my problem. Make an
argument to me right now that you are seeing even
twelve of the best thirty teams in a country, because
there's no way that you can argue that James Madison

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and Tulane really play the same football that everybody else
is playing, like, I mean really like Tulane had one
game of note during the regular season, one real game,
and it was against Old Miss, and they lost by
thirty five points or thirty four points, I guess.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I mean they'd beat the ACC champion the regular seat.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Okay, Okay, so you look at all of that. You
look at Okay, you can put that game in there
as well if you want to. But I'm looking at
this that I'm saying they're playing two different sports in
so many different ways. It's like, and you made this
argument about basketball last year, and you were right that
we're gonna see less of the Cinderellas because of the
nil and because the haves are getting a whole lot

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richer now because of all the money that's being pumped
in and all these other things. I think, at the
very least, if you're not going to have a group
of five playoffs, at the very least, you have to
be ranked in the top fifteen or so to have
this opportunity, or top sixteen something like that. And this
can eliminate your middle of the road team that wins

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a conference championship backwards. That's not very good either. I
just don't think that you can tell this is not
sixty eight teams where if you don't make it, you
know that's on you. In this case, there are twelve teams,
and you cannot tell me that a team that ranked
in the top ten is having to watch James Madison

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or watch Tulane because of how everything played out, and
you can say, well, you know, it's a weird tiebreaker
year and all this, these two teams shouldn't have gotten
in if only the ACC right, But you're even making
the same argument that you argue to me. The argument
that I want you to make is these two teams
deserve the opportunity to play in this tournament.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Okay, really quick, before I make that argument, we may
have to decide who deserves the NFC North era title. Yeah,
because the Bears have just scored a touchdown. Remember they
were down sixteen to nine under the two minute timeout.
They did recover an on sidekick. A Caleb Williams corner
touchdown pass has made it sixteen fifteen. We can't do

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live play by play, FCC, let the record show, but
the pat it is good. It is sixteen sixteen, twenty
four seconds left in regulation. It looks like we are
gonna get overtime in Soldier Field, all right, so we
will keep you updated on that. As soon as this

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game goes final. We will absolutely be switching over to
talk a little bit of NFL because this obviously has
huge ramifications for the NFC North title as well as
of course the overall NFC playoff picture. Again, Chicago has
just tied the game with the Green Bay Packers twenty
four seconds to go, So the question is do they
deserve to be in? Right, I'm not being sarcastic. That

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was the question that you asked before, right, do you?

Speaker 3 (13:34):
I mean just argue that you're watching this and you're
looking at these teams even on paper, and you're saying, yeah, too,
Lane and James Madison should definitely be in a twelve
team tournament to determine the national champion in college football.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I can absolutely argue it. I mean, we have automatic
bids in literally every single sport in America that I'm
aware of. Maybe there is. And I was telling Ian
this before the show. I think the biggest miscap about
this college football playoff. And I even heard JD Pakel,
who was a guest of Martin and Monci before us,
and I like JD. I think he's a very smart
college football voice. There's a misconception about what this playoff was.

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Never about the twelve best teams. By definition, you are
almost certainly never gonna have the best when automatic qualifiers
are involved.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Well, I think that should be gone too.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
But then to your point a minute ago about the
you know, finish in the top fifteen, finish in the
top twenty, finish whatever, but then it's still not the best.
That's one. But then two, here's my argument. We just
saw the committee manipulate the rankings. However, they pleased to
keep Notre Dame out of the playoff. Notre Dame when

(14:44):
we went off air two Saturdays two saturdays ago, was
in the playoff, and then they were out, including being
passed by a team that did not play that weekend
in Miami. Now I understand the circumstances, but the point
I'm trying to make if the committee's going to manipulate
things to get notreed, amen, I'm sorry, they're not throwing
any bones to Tulane, and I just.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Do they need to throw a bone to Tulane though,
like I thought so a couple of weeks ago. I tried,
I tried to really make myself believe that, because I
think from the heart perspective, it's like, yeah, that would
be so bad, let me jump in real But it
just doesn't work. Why don't you just take the top
twelve but get rid of all this. I'm not saying
this is gonna happen. We're not getting rid of conference
championship games and all these other things. I get that
we live in a flaud system. I'm just suggesting that

(15:29):
the way this is done. If you want to argue
that this is a farce, it's a heart. It's really
hard to disagree with you. If you want to say
and roll your eyes and say this is a joke. Look,
my wife, she watches college football, but she's not really.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Up and has a life.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
She literally right right now, she looks. She walked into
the living room and she saw the Oregon James Madison
Game one and she said, what is this? I said,
it is College Toball Playoff. This is the third game.
She said, why is James Madison the college football Playoff?
And I said, and I tried to explain it to her,
and she's like, that's ridiculous. Vanderbilt should be in, or

(16:05):
Texas should be in. Like she's just started naming teams,
and it's like, yeah, I understand, like you want to
make dis argument, but it just doesn't hold water, Like
it doesn't make sense. There are twelve teams. It makes
in this tournament.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
It makes perfect sense because every other sport has automatic qualifiers,
but this sport's.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Completely unique compared to all the sports that you want
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
You can say that, but that doesn't mean that it's
not true. Though, like you live in Tennessee, we can
all admit that there are many years where the AFC
South is by far the worst division in the NFL.
They not only get an automatic qualifier, they get home
field advantage in the playoffs every single year.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Yeah, I would disagree with that part. I'm not saying
that what you're saying is wrong. I'm saying I would
just I wish that it was not that way in
terms of home field advantage. But here's the difference. Though,
everybody playing in the NFL least has talent that's on
the same plane, like you were either one of the
three or four elite players in FCS or one of
those smaller schools, or you're coming from one of the

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bigger schools most of the time, like you're in either
a standout Unicorn or you're coming from one of these schools.
The difference is in college, you have a team full
of athletes and star ratings and all this that simply
do not measure up. And that that's actually getting bigger
now than it used to be because of nil And

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if you've got anybody good, all you're doing is paving
the way for them to become a millionaire at one
of the schools the following year. The coaches are getting
post and that's going to continue. In all this, the gap,
the divide is getting bigger. I don't think you can
you can actually look at the NFL, even the worst
divisions and suggest that the automatic qualifier is the same
as an automatic qualifier coming from one of the smaller

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conferences in college foot.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
So then by your definition that we should you know,
you said, let let a team be ranked in the
top twelve, top fifteen, whatever to get into the playoff.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Really you just wish you'd take the top twelve and
just be done with it.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Well, I think that's and in your defense, I think
that's what literally everyone is arguing, is that just basically
take the twelve best teams. I think my argument is
we expanded the college football playoff to give everyone a
seat at the table.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Is that really why? Yeah? I mean if you ask
Greg Sankie that and put him, you know, with sodium pentothal,
that's what he would say.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, I think we have to also remember when we
expanded the playoff, there was this thing called the PAC
twelve and it was like they kept getting left out,
and you know, and I guess.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Mike definitely getting left out.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, you know, you never know. I mean, if we
keep this G five thing, the PAC twelve is back
next year. But no, I get your point. Yeah, I like,
I guess. I guess it's hard because we're essentially arguing
two different things. I cannot argue that when you line
up player for player James Madison with Oregon, that James

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Madison can compete on an even playingfield. I cannot argue that.
What I would argue is we had a four team
playoff that basically the G five was completely shut out of.
We have tripled the field and like at some point
having one team in from these conferences, to me is
not that big of a deal. And I think the
frustrating thing for me. By the way, James Madison is

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down twenty six points. If I'm not mistaken, Guess what
an ACC team lost by twenty eight points in the
first round last year. An SEC team lost by twenty
five points in the first round last year was called Tennessee.
We all watched it. It was a blood bats. So, like,
I guess my point is where I get frustrated is
we were told that this playoff was going to include everybody,

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everybody was gonna get a seat at the table, and
I guess, just I don't know. I have so many
different frustrations, but it's like, I just don't understand why
the G five, why literally half of the sport can't
get one bid. And by the way, you can't definitively
tell me that Vanderbilt would have been better, or that
Texas would have been better, or that whomever would have
been better. I don't know, there's like seven different arguments

(20:08):
within the argument. By the way, I should mention we
have started overtime in Soldier Field, that the Green Bay
Packers have the.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Leak Willis at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Yeah, I should mention, By the way, Jordan Love out
with a concussion. Malik Willis in Jay Mark, do you
have any closing thoughts on the geno?

Speaker 3 (20:24):
I mean, we can go back and forth on all
of this. Again, I just want to see it's very
hard to watch James Madison playing football tonight, even as
hard as they're trying, right, and know that Notre Dame,
Texas Vanderbilt BYU, that those teams are sitting home and
having to watch this because of the way this thing
is put together. I just it does not. This does

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not feel. It feels like there were six byes in
the first round and not four.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
James Madison back in the red zone. They're about to
cut it to nineteen. I'm just saying they're about to
cut it to nineteen.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well, I mean, Oregon clearly stopped playing, but oh.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Now they stop playing because it's within twenty. Speaking of
stopping and playing, the Green Bay Packers have not. They
have crossed midfield against Chicago Bears. Tell you what, Ja
mart We could go on and on with this for days.
By the way James Madison fumbled, it looks like they
did recover it, Okay, because I was gonna say that'd
be a nice way to end this game at the
two minute timeout. As with the fumble. We could argue
that the G five stuff all day, but we got

(21:21):
to keep the show going. Packers Bears in overtime, first
place on the line in the NFC North. We'll come
back and discuss that. And I do think, Jay Martin,
we should talk about the competitive game the all I
thought it was a fun game. It was a weird
game for sure. At Kyle Field.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I don't know if it was great. It was certainly compelling.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
It's certainly compelling. I think that's probably the right way
to put it. It was interesting and compelling. I can't even
say it was fully entertaining. It was weirdly entertaining, but
not dramatic. Good word. I like that. It's a good word.
All Right, We're gonna come back discuss Texas A and
m Miami. The Hurricanes get the victory, maybe a little
bit on Friday nights. Alabama comeback and we will keep
you updated on what is going going on at Soldier Field.

(22:01):
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live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. It will be
Felice Navidad and Merry Christmas in Chicago. In overtime, forced
fumble by the Bears defense, Caleb Williams deep ball to

(23:12):
DJ Moore, an incredible catch over his shoulder, a walk
off win for the Chicago Bears. Final score twenty two
to sixteen. Chicago Bears. They were by technicality alone in
first place. They had a half a game lead over

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the Green Bay Packers. They are now eleven and four.
The Packers fall to nine five and one on the season.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (23:43):
I want to make sure I'm making I'm making sure
they haven't updated the standings. Either way, the Chicago Bears
have won. They've now won eleven of thirteen. Jay mart
give me all the Bears takeaways. From a walk off
overtime win.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
I mean, they keep winning. Look that they've won some
close ball games and you have to look at that
and say, is that something that's going to continue?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Well, it doesn't ean it for like ten weeks.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Right, can it continue this year? I don't know if
that's a long time sustainable thing. But the first thing
you have to do is start winning close games. You
have to start winning games period. If you're the Chicago Bears,
you look up there eleven and four Green Bays lost
Michael Parsons. They're doing now with Jordan Love and concussion protocol.
You know, you had a bad snap on that fourth
down after Malik Willis was unable to get the first

(24:32):
down on the third and short. Maybe that could have
gone the other way, but they elect to go for it,
which I don't really disagree with. And then Chicago has
just continued to do this. And look, when we talked
about the NFC North a few weeks ago, I said,
I still feel like Detroit might be able to get
this thing. I don't anymore. Like I just I think
at this point you can go ahead and say Chicago

(24:53):
is going to win the division. Ben Johnson has done
what he needs to do, and Caleb Williams has stepped
up and gotten better.

Speaker 5 (24:59):
Now.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Is he fully consistent yet? No, but is he's starting
to show some of the flashes of the Heisman guy
that we saw, the one that made some big time plays,
made some throws. Yes. I see a confidence in Caleb
Williams now that was entirely absent from him during his
first year. And that has to go to Ben Johnson
in this offense. I mean, you gotta think they didn't

(25:21):
have and you heard Di Seger say this off the
top and his update, they didn't have Roba dunes Ay,
they didn't have Luther Burden. Yes, they still had DJ
Moore as we know, but they were shorthanded a little
bit in this game offensively. They still come out win
a big time division game in primetime in front of
their home crowd. It's just a it's a it's a
really really good season for the Chicago Bears in a

(25:44):
conference where when you really look at it, they can
they can do some damage in the playoffs, but a
total success. I think this is beyond anybody's wildest dreams
what they were going to do from this year, from
last year to this year. But the growth and the
way the offense plays. Now you can just see the
Ben Johnson effect working its magic.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, there's no doubt the Ben Johnson effect is real.
Couple quick thoughts.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
One.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
First of all, we do have a final in Austin Stadium, Eugene, Oregon.
Oregon does end up winning fifty one to thirty four.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Rip to the to the Gamblers. We're still watching the
game because twenty point spread.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Oh my goodness, you're right. I hadn't even thought of that.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
That's why a lot of people are probably still watching
that game.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Well, that is a great point. Oregon was about a
twenty twenty and a half point favorite in this game,
a late James Madison touchdown with the cover. It was
never really close, it was never really competitive. We already
did the conversation about G five, so we'll save that
for another time. Let's let's by the way college football
quarterfinals are set. Maybe we even talked about that a

(26:49):
little bit later with Oregon, Miami, Ole Miss and Alabama advancing. Okay,
so NFL Coggo Bears have just won a walk off
in in Soldier Field. Twenty two to sixteen is the
final score? I guess my question for you is a
couple fold one. First of all, I agree with everything

(27:09):
you said, Bears. To let me ask you this. I
don't know how like all these NFL awards come together. Whatever.
Mike Frable, what he's doing in New England is incredible.
I think what Ben Johnson is doing in Chicago. And
this isn't one where like I want to tear down
one to elevate the other. But Chicago has basically like

(27:29):
a forty year track record of kind of being a
train wreck. I know they made a Super Bowl with
her Locker and all that, but like they have been
just such an inconsistent organization and for him to come
in in year one, They've now won eleven of their
last thirteen games, eleven and four overall. They basically unofficially
clinched the division tonight. It's not technical, but with two

(27:51):
games left they would basically have to lose both and whatever,
blah blah blah blah blah. I only bring it up.
I think Ben Johnson should be the Coach of the Year.
And I know this isn't an a war, but I
do think the Bears are the best story, just given
where they were and given you know, j Martin, all
of the conversations that we were having a year ago
about Caleb, and like it's easy to forget now remember

(28:12):
the Caleb versus Jayden Daniels and the Bears took the
wrong guy, and you know what if he's just a
bust And I just think it's a really cool story
and I'm happy for Bears fans. We know how passionate
Chicago sports fans are. Again, I know there's no award
for best story in the NFL. I think the Bears are.
It's just an unbelievable story what they're doing right now.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, it is. Look, there's some other contenders out there,
Like I think he and Veribel are certainly rightly there
No one talks about Liam Cohen, but totally really look
at what Jacksonville is doing and what their offense is doing. Specifically,
that's a ten and four team that's playing in one
of the Marquee Games in Denver tomorrow. And look, Sean
Payton's got a two loss team, right, So I mean

(28:54):
I think that that's probably worth mentioning on top of
this as well. So I mean there are some other
guys that you could throw in and McDonald of course,
and McVeigh and what they've done in Seattle and la
are both there too. But to your point, I tend
to agree with you because the Bears were such a
laughing stock and because Caleb Williams in year one didn't

(29:14):
show the flashes that Drake May did. Like Mike Rabel,
taking the job in New England made all the sense
for you know, because he played there and everything else,
but also because he was able to pick his spot
and he knew watching last year that Drake May could
do they could do the job. That was something he
didn't even really even have at any point in Tennessee.

(29:34):
And he looked there and said, oh, this is perfect.
But Caleb Williams was he had lost confidence everybody. To
your point, we're talking about both Daniels and Drake May,
and so Ben Johnson is going to a team that's
been quarterback purgatory for forty years basically, well really since
Jim McMahon and those teams in like the mid eighties.

(29:56):
Outside of like Jay Cutler, that's about the best that
you've had. You had Rex Grossman when he went to
the Super Bowl and lost to Peyton Manning in the rain.
So I think I think I agree with you. I
think I think it almost has to be Ben Johnson,
especially if they finished strong. But I think that this
year you have several candidates where the argument is strong

(30:16):
because there have been some really nice coaching jobs in
some spots that we did not see coming this year.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Let's really quick put a boa. You know what, I
got one more question on the Bears. Let's save it
for the other end. We also probably should at least
reference the fact that there was a game earlier in
the day, so we will get to all of that
before we do, though, Let's get it over the news desk.
Stave to sag or what is trending? My friend?

Speaker 6 (30:38):
You're of course talking about Tulane earlier in the day.
We will go into depth or or no, I was you?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Tulane lost to no Lane?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Oh wow, Tulanes are better than none are apparently not.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
Fan headline not come up before. Yeah, Tulane is out,
James Madison is out, Ole miss by Tulane forty one
to ten, Oregon over James Madison fifty one thirty four,
and Miami got the late touchdown to win at Texas
A and m ten to three. So College Football Playoffs,
first round is over Alabama with the comeback win last night.
Now can we get to this NFL game tonight? My goodness,

(31:15):
The Chicago Bears win another thriller, this time in overtime
against rival Green Bay twenty two to sixteen. Caleb Williams
with two late touchdown passes, including the game winner to
DJ Moore of forty six yards, and can I just
say the defensive back Keishawn Nixon was all over yeah,
and still it was the.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Reception, unbelievable throw, unbelievable cats.

Speaker 6 (31:37):
And it was Nixon who had the pick in the
end zone. Couple weeks back in this game at Green
Bay and this met Now they meet at Soldier Field
and Chicago is the winner in a comeback because with
two minutes left the Bears were down sixteen to six,
and they win in overtime and kicking themselves all the
way home. Will be the Packers offense because for that franchise,

(31:59):
it's the first time in almost twenty years that they
have failed to score a touchdown on three different goal
to go drives in the same game. They had three
short field goals and a fumble also from Josh Jacobs
in the red zone, and the Packers lose in ot
So with the final pass that puts the Bear stats
at an even four hundred yards for the night, two

(32:22):
fifty passing and one fifty on the ground, and the
Chicago Bears are eleven and four. They're the two seed
in the NFC. Seattle or perhaps whomever wins the NFC
West would be one seed. A game ahead is Seattle.
Right now, the Eagles, with a win earlier today, are
division champs and right now the three seed a game

(32:43):
behind the Bears. And we've almost got the Bears officially
clinching a pay playoff spot. That could happen tomorrow with
still two games to go for everybody. If Detroit loses tomorrow.
Even if Detroit wins tomorrow, they would be nine and
six and the Lions would still be half game back
of green Bay for the final playoffs. But in the NFC,

(33:04):
quarterback Jordan Love of the Packers left in the first
half with a concussion on a roughing the passer penalty.
Green Bay now nine five and one, and I've got
to mention that part of this comeback for Chicago something
that is extremely rare in the NFL these days. Yeah,
great call, cup An onside kick recovery. The Bears got

(33:24):
the field goal to get within sixteen to nine and
then recovered the onside kick. Remember, you have to declare
that you're doing an on side kick, so you get
the traditional formation for it. In the NFL this year,
attempting onside kicks, the kicking team was four for forty
seven recovering the thing eight percent recoveries until the Bears,

(33:45):
as part of their comeback tonight.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (33:48):
Philadelphia is now ten and five after the comeback win
at Washington twenty nine to eighteen. Eagles were down late
third quarter ten to seven. Jalen Hurts two touchdown passes,
the Eagles clinched their division. OH team had won the
NFC East in back to back years since Philadelphia about
twenty years ago. Saquon Barkley one hundred and thirty two
yards rushing and a score, the Rams fired their special

(34:10):
teams coordinator, Chase Blackburn. La special teams have helped cause
three of the four losses this season. Frams frankly would
be the one seed in the NFC without the special
teams problems I mentioned. The College Football Playoff first round
is over thanks to the Oregon win that means we
now have coming up Oregon facing Texas Tech in the
Orange Bowl quarterfinal New Year's Day, Ole Miss will play

(34:33):
Georgia in the Sugar Bowl quarterfinal New Year's Night. We
know Alabama, after its win last night, is headed to
the Rose Bowl for a quarterfinal against number one Indiana.
Miami will play number two Ohio State on New Year's
Eve at the Cotton Bowl in the NBA's late game.
The Lakers are missing three injured starters, They're only shooting
thirty four percent from the floor, and the Clippers six

(34:56):
and twenty one this year, have the home halftime lead
against the Lakers fifty four thirty nine and an upset.
In college hoops at Madison Square Garden, nineteenth ranked Texas
Tech beat number three Duke on a late free throw
eighty two eighty one.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Back to you, by the way, speaking of those college
football quarterfinals still a ways away. Jason Martin and I
filling in for Jason Smith and Mike Harmon, so we
will be on obviously during that Sugar Bowl and for.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
We've done it before.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
We have done it before a couple of years in
a row, and it's one of my favorite shows to
do with you all year, my man.

Speaker 6 (35:29):
So New Year's night you're talking? Yes, well you be
here to say, I do not know yet. Okay, Well,
I'm gonna put in a word.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
I'll tell I'll ask Arney spand here if you're allowed
to work that night, and we'll see if we get that.

Speaker 6 (35:39):
A waste of time on your part.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yes, well, anyway, we got a lot of radio to
do between now and January first, but j Martin, I
will be there, tell you what, Jamartin, Let's come back
and let's put a bow on a busy night in
the NFL. There is still another college football playoff game
to discuss. A busy week for narratives in the NFL.
Chiefs Bengals, Joe Burrows Future two Future? How are we

(36:01):
gonna fit it all?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
In?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
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All of the football of the day is final. We
just got a thrilling finish at Soldier Field the Chicago

(36:47):
Bears in overtime. A walk off deep bomb to DJ
More in overtime seals the victory. The Chicago Bears are
now alone in first place in the NFC North. At
eleven and four, the Packers fall to nine to five
and one noteworthy from this game, Jordan Love did leave
with a concussion. Jymart, real quick, I think I know

(37:10):
the answer to this, listen. I know these guys are
all professionals. You want to win every game you play.
I feel like the Bears are pretty much on a
free roll at this point right like they're going to
win the division. To Disager's point, depending on how the
games go tomorrow, they could clinch a playoff spot. Tomorrow.
They're gonna be in the playoffs are almost certainly gonna
win the division. I don't think they're I think even

(37:33):
though they might be the two seed, I don't know
that they're good enough to win a super Bowl. To me,
young team, first year head coach, second year quarterback, anything
at the after this is gravy at this point.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Right, yeah, I mean it feels like else money, you've
already done more than your fan base expected in year one. Now,
look that doesn't mean they're I could be disappointed and think, man,
what could have been? Because it feels like it's a
little bit open and to some degree in the NFC
and certainly in AFC as well, but you're still not

(38:05):
fully formed yet, like everything is exactly where it needs
to be, but you still might be a year away.
I mean before the thunder really took over last year
and what we're seeing this year from them in the NBA.
You know, they had to lose a series too, like,
but they got there, like you started to see what
you wanted to see from their stars, and then they

(38:28):
got that under their belt and they came back to
next year and they were a much different team to
deal with. I think you could be looking at something
similar with Chicago. There's gonna be some time, and there's
probably gonna be some lumps, and there's gonna be a
playoff game where they're just gonna kind of find their
ceiling and that's gonna be as far as they go.
But yeah, like I feel like if the season just
ends for them in their first game, I still feel

(38:51):
like Bears fans are gonna have nothing but smiles on
their faces for what they got because they understand this
is not just a fluke. This feels like it can stick.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
We only got a minute left to Disager's point. Philadelphia
Eagles clinch a second straight NFC East titles, something that
does not happen very often. What do we make of
the Philadelphia Eagles ten and five? They have at Buffalo
and then another game with Washington to close out the season.
Weird hear where they're gonna get home field advantage, but

(39:22):
does it quite feel like what it was a year ago?

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Yeah, so I'm whelmed by them.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Good call.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
I'm just like, all right, they're all right, we'll see
what they do in the playoffs. But there's nothing about
their offense right now that should inspire all that much confidence.
They're beaten up and banged up as well. On the
offensive line side. The defense has kind of been spotty
here and there. It's just like a weird year. Like
you look at them and you're like, they should not

(39:49):
do much in the playoffs, and that's kind of what
I expect. But I don't know that they call it underwhelming.
Certainly not overwhelming. They're just they are absolutely mid to
me as a playoff team.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
They're mid is a playoff team. I agree one hundred percent.
It was an ugly game. Every time I turn it on,
Jalen Hurts seem to be missing a throw over somebody's head.
But I guess what they get the victory in a
game against the Commanders where obviously Jadon Daniels was not playing.
Philadelphia Eagles, your NFC East champions. Fox Sports Radio Ertoris
Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

(40:23):
Will come back, maybe spend a half a second on
that Texas A and m Miami game. Then we gotta
get to a busy week in the NFL. We are
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the updates. Four college football playoff games are in the
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(41:24):
NFL games, the Bears a walk off winner in overtime.
They trailed sixteen to nine, recovering on sidekicks score with
twenty four seconds to go and win in overtime. The
Philadelphia Eagles also have clinched the NFC East title with
a win over the Washington Commanders. Jaymartin, there's a lot

(41:44):
going on in the world of the NFL outside of
just what's going on in the games. But for half
a sec, since we didn't get to talk about it
in hour one. Let's just very quickly hit on the
early college football playoff game. Miami beats the Texas A
and M. Maggie's ten to three in college station. You know,

(42:04):
we can reset this at the top of next hour.
I don't know if you have any like amazing takeaways
in this game. Really strange game. You know, A and
M with three turnovers. I don't even know how many
field goals were missed or blocked. It was three or
four between both teams. I apologize for not being prepared.

(42:26):
So three miss kicks by Miami, one for UH, one
for Texas A and M. Strange game. But Miami, there
was so much debate if they should be in. They
get in. They pull off a small upset. They were
only about a three point underdog, but an upset nonetheless
against the Texas A and M. Meggis.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, you know, Marcel Reid his last couple of games,
not his best. Miami's defense had a lot to say
about that. I mean, Ruben bay and played a crazy
good game for Miami, and then of course when they
needed to run the football, they were able to run
the foot ball. Tony kind of you know, he had
the big fumble and he was so upset about it,
and then he goes out there and he gets the

(43:06):
touchdown late and they're able to hold him off because
of the read interception. But like I said, I don't
think it was a great game. I definitely thought it
was compelling, dramatic, and I never turned it off because well,
certainly nobody was running away from it. But it was
almost like a car crash because of the wind. Like
the field goals were basically a no go for the
most part in the game, and it just felt like

(43:29):
everybody would get something going and then it would just
die almost immediately when it came to the offenses in
the game. But you know, I don't think it's an
upset really at all. I mean, certainly it was a
road game, and so you saw the first two college
football playoff games in this cycle. These are the first
two that were won by the road teams, with Alabama

(43:51):
winning and Norman and then both of us called that one.
By the way, we actually said it at the beginning
of the game and a text message. We didn't have
a chance to say it on the air, but both
kind of picked that one to happen, and look, that
could have gone the other way. If the tight end
makes the catch, it's probably twenty four to seven. Maybe
the momentum never comes back. You don't have that miscommunication
and that bad pick six from Matier late in a

(44:12):
half where everything flipped. But those first two games, you know,
you got kind of even fights, like you had the
Notre Dame Invitational this afternoon, the two teams that beat
Notre Dame, and Notre Dame watches it and you imagine
a lot of their salty fans are thinking, we could
have beaten both of these teams. It's like, right, but

(44:32):
you lost to both of them. That's that's kind of
the problem, and that's why you're having to watch this
at this point. Texas a and m to me all
year long, Aaron I never really knew what to make
of them, Like they had some incredible athletes like Concepcion
and those guys, and Marcel Reid made a whole lot
of plays during the course of the year, but coming

(44:53):
into the year, like Marcel Reid was not being talked
about at all. And you get to the end and
it's like Carson Becks kind of still proved he's not
particularly great, but they've got a lot of round him,
which still makes that interesting. But you're watching the game
and you just kind of feel like, whoever wins this
game is gonna get slaughtered in the next round. And
so this is kind of what you get, like this

(45:14):
is wild card weekend before you go to the divisional round.
But there definitely seems to be, at least to me,
a big time issue between either Texas A and M
and Miami and Ohio State. So I mean, you look
at that, and I just feel like I feel like
Miami was probably the better equipped, maybe just because I
think they have better athletes on both sides of the

(45:37):
ball to make that interesting. But I don't feel like
that quarter final game is going to be particularly close either.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
All Right, So let me ask you a weird question
because I know you're not a Texas A and M fan,
so I know it makes it tough for you to
answer this question. And M finishes eleven and two overall,
obviously on paper an unbelievable season, but lost to your
biggest rival final game of the regular season. Don't make
the SEC championship game again when you obviously would have

(46:07):
been in position to lose a home game in the playoff.
Do think it's worth noting, by the way of your
you went seven to one in the SEC. You beat
the sixteenth ranked team in the league. Remember they're sixteen teams.
You beat the sixteenth ranked team, the fifteenth, the fourteenth,
the thirteenth, the twelfth, the tenth, and the team that
was tied for eighth. So basically you played one team

(46:28):
in the top half of the league. YEA lost to him.
I don't know what that even means, Like, you can't
say it was a disappointing year for A and M.
You went eleven in one and went to the college
football playoff, but you didn't lose to Texas, and you
didn't lose a home college football playoff game. Again, I
don't know what I'm supposed to make of that, but
it is an interesting conversation to have about what their

(46:50):
season was really, which I think is ultimately the point
that you were just making a second ago.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Like I think they were. I think you're happy if
you're an A and M fan, You feel good about
Elko and the culture that's being built at Texas. A
and M. They look and feel a little bit different,
But I think it's like you went to a nice restaurant.
The appetizers were really, really good. The main course was solid,

(47:16):
but you kind of got tired of it by the end,
and then the dessert was subpar, so you kind of
walk out and you're like, like, that was a good meal,
but it's almost like it was bittersweet because you didn't
you don't end on a particularly high note. It was
kind of sour. And then on the way to it,
you found a way to lose to Texas, and that's
the one that's got to sting the most because that, again,

(47:38):
like you said, cost you a chance to play Georgia
in the SEC Championship game. And then, like the lasting
impression of this season, I have to feel like it's
very sour as opposed to be in particularly sweet.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Real quick, any big takeaways on Alabama Oklahoma. Alabama trailed seventeen,
nothing ends up rallying to beat Oklahoma. This was obviously
the Friday night game, so we're twenty four hours removed,
but thirty four to twenty four was the final score.
My only real takeaways, I actually like Brent Venables, don't

(48:14):
think it was his strongest night. It wasn't Oklahoma's either, obviously,
but you know, right, before the half, doesn't take a
chance at the end zone when he had the opportunity.
I thought late in the game they really bungled the
clock down ten. You had the weird John Mattier kind
of takes a sack, thirty seconds runs off the clock. Whatever.

(48:35):
But Alabama, which obviously they themselves much like Miami, it
was kind of a big debate if they should even
be in. They get the win, they advance to play
Indiana in the Rose Bowl.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah, I mean, I think my takeaway really is, like
I said earlier, if the tight end makes the catch
for ma Tier, he's gonna walk into the end zone.
It's a wide open drop. There were jobs on both sides,
so we can talk about Ryan Williams at a minute too.
But when you when you look at it from the
Oklahoma perspective, I'm gonna give Alabama credit for this.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
First off, they made the most of the opportunities that
Oklahoma gave them. But the bigger thing is that Kane
Wamick and the defense there were some adjustments made because
they were not sending pressure at all up Matier early
in the game, and they stopped they stopped kind of
playing zone. I think Herb Street even said the son
of broadcast is right, like they were playing a lot

(49:25):
of his own early. Then they started going single high
and single coverage, and they were sending extra guys at
the quarterback and look, Matier needs an extra three quarters
to a second to jump up before he throws my pass.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
I said that to you.

Speaker 3 (49:38):
I know, I'm giving you the I'm giving you the opening.
It's actually I don't know how I didn't notice it,
because now I can't unsee it like I saw it
every time after that.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
So I've seen guys that leaned back on a back
foot to make throws famously, like Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre,
John Mattier. I don't know if it was every throw,
but it was like at least half a dozen times
I was he was jumping to make throws and oh,
by the way, they were wildly inaccurate and nowhere close

(50:07):
to hitting his receivers in stride. Like my whole thing
is like, how much are you paying your quarterback? And
you're oc and it's like, I don't know, man, it's
just no.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
TBA only did that because he had to write John, like,
that's not a thing that you just do to do it.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, and Kyler Murray I think has done it once
or twice. He's also five foot nine, so like right right, yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Yeah, so either way, like I I do think they
sent pressure at him and he didn't handle it particularly well.
I did send you this message pretty much. They told
that story on the broadcast about how Mateer was kind
of he was kind of like he was happy for Mendoza,

(50:51):
but he was watching the Heisman and he was just like, man,
you know, in a different, different time, that would have
been me because he was thinking about his injury and
all this. And within like five minutes of that story,
Matier threw that pick six and it was just kind
of like nah, that like everything fell apart for Oklahoma,
and Matiers started to look a lot like the guy
we've seen since he came back from that injury for

(51:14):
the most part. And it's just kind of like, yeah,
you know, I don't think it's just an injury, man,
Like I do think that you've you've got some talent,
You've got a lot of athleticism, but at the same time,
I don't think you're that good. Like watching Oklahoma, like
next year, what is John Mattier who Oklahoma fans won
at quarterback next year.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
I will tell you a funny story. I was prepping
for tonight's show and Fox Sports Radio's Twitter account was open,
and I saw Jackson Arnold trending, and I was like,
why is Jackson Arnold trending?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Oh no, No, it.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Was just a It was probably two hundred tweets of
Oklahoma fans being like, we could have had the exact
same season with Jackson Arnold. Now I don't know that
I believe that. Yeah, I don't know, but I thought
it was pretty funny. I also did think, by the
way it was really funny, is exat exactly what you
said just happened. Was like Matier was actually pretty good
for about the first two or three drives, and that
was when they told the you know he was he

(52:09):
really thought he was going to be on that Heisman stage,
but you know what, there's always next year. And then
it was like he just immediately stunk the rest.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
Of it detonated, yes, right in front of it, right
in front of our eyes. It was like the most
ultimate jinks you've ever seen. But yeah, I mean, credit
to Alabama for making the most of the opportunities. But
I mean, Oklahoma had the game. If they go up
twenty four to seven, I don't know that we're having
the same discussion right now. But beyond that, like the

(52:37):
reason why we thought Alabama was going to win going
in is because Oklahoma's offense was borderline. Iowa is sure
through the course of the regular season. It's just there
was nothing about them that scared you on that side
of the ball. Like Venables knows how to coach defense.
We already know this, and that defense has been ferocious
all year. But then you know, they even started to

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let down just a little bit. But most of all,
like Alabama just made a few more plays, had a
few less drops. And I think you want Ty Simpson
over John Mattier. Yeah, when you have to throw the
football because straight out of the pocket, John Mattier is
just not accurate enough.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yes, I don't disagree. I listen. I think they'll probably
bring him back because you just made the playoff and
it's hard to justify not doing it. But you know,
I think we were sold a bill of goods on
who he was going to be coming into the year,
and I don't know that he's been that by the way.
To go back to the first game. Michael, who is

(53:35):
listening to us. I believe he's actually an Oklahoma fan.
He just tagged us on a message board thread about
my You know, we were talking about Texas A and
m How are fans supposed to feel? Michael says, not
sure how they're feeling about Elcho in college station right
now the Texas the Tech SAgs thread on mess on

(53:56):
a message board says, quote sloppy Elco for first response
was take some mozembic. Second is how you do anything
is how you do everything. Leaders of men don't let
their health go. I think he's been great so far
for the most part, but he obviously has some personal deficiencies.

(54:16):
And then the follow up to that is, I hate
to say it, but size is one of the top
reasons I'm skeptical he'll be successful here. I don't recall
a huge number of obese championship coaches. Usually the coach
says the tone for the team is in good shape
to set an example for the team. So Texas A
and M fans blaming the loss to Miami on their

(54:41):
coach being slightly overweight. That via message board geniuses on
Twitter and tech SAgs message board in case you're wondering.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I don't even know what to say to that.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
You know, college football message boards are undefeated.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
I'll say, is this there's the reason why if you're
not a Texas A and alum, you generally can't stand
in Texas A and M, like especially like in the
SEC and the Big Twelve. Yeah. I know you hate
other schools, but there's something about Texas A and M
where they always argue or they always fight in these
weird ways. And then you have something like this, like

(55:17):
we're really going after like Elko needs to go we
Govi at this point in time, like he's showing that
he can't be trusted because he eats a cheeseburger after
all these wins as opposed to a celery stalk. I
don't think that's why you lost. Let's just say that.
I mean, you've had some in shape coaches and they
haven't done anything for you either, So I don't know

(55:37):
that it's just a better diet and you would have
beaten Miami today.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
You know who's in shape, Marcel Reid. He kept throwing
it to the other team though. That was your problem
over the last about three weeks or so. By the way,
in South Carolina game we don't even talk about. They
easily could have lost and maybe should have lost that game.
So anyway, college football semi finals or quarterfinals excuse me,
are set maybe an hour three. We look ahead as
Texas A and m or Texas Tech. Excuse me. We'll

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(57:52):
NFL off the field headlines in just a moment. Before
we do, though, let's get it over the news desk
to sega.

Speaker 6 (57:59):
What is trending in this magical season of the Chicago
Bears continue tonight trailing late but beating rival Green Bay
in overtime anyway, twenty two to sixteen, eleven and four.
The Bears record now Caleb Williams with two late TD passes,
including the game winner to DJ Moore. Quarterback Jordan Love
of the Packers left in the first half with a concussion.

(58:20):
Great stat from the NFL tonight of how many comeback
wins the Bears have had this year after trailing inside
of two minutes left. This is their sixth of the season.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Sixth.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Wow, that's more than they had total wins all last season.
And if you believe in the win probability charts that,
for example, next Gen Stats have, and they've been around
for about a decade in the NFL, the Bears probability
to win this tonight was as low as a half
a percent before recovering that onside kick coming out of

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the two minute warning down seven. In other words, this
is one of the top five most improbable victories in
the decade they've had next Gen stats in the NFL.
Just crazy that Chicago won this one, and it was
such a windy, windy experience in the Windy City that
we weren't getting a lot of deep passing, and yet

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with off the bench, I should say the past to
Romeo Dobbs from Malik Willis late third quarter and then
the long bomb from Williams to win it. We had
that excitement as well. Thrown in Philadelphia clinched its division title,
winning in a comeback at Washington twenty nine to eighteen.
The Eagles trailed ten to seven late in the third quarter.

(59:36):
The Rams fired special teams coordinator Chase Blackburn. First round
of the College football Playoff is over. Oregon led James
Madison thirty four to three late second quarter, beat him
fifty one thirty four. Ole miss beat Tulane, as they
did back in September.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
Forty one to ten.

Speaker 6 (59:52):
Today's final, Miami advanced, winning ten to three at Texas
A and M on a touchdown with under two minutes left.
Alabama came back to win its first rounder last night
at Oklahoma in a late NBA game, The Lakers were
already missing three starters tonight, and then Luka Donsich left
with a bruised leg. The Clippers at home lead the
Lakers eighty to sixty five with ten minutes left. Lebron

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James twenty six points for the Lakers. Clippers are winning
by double digits seemingly all night, even though they are
six and twenty one this season. They've just ended the
overtime period and pending review, it's an Orlando overtime win
at Utah one twenty eight to one, twenty seven upset.
In college basketball at Madison Square Garden, Number three Duke

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falls to nineteenth rank Texas Tech on a late free
throw eighty two to eighty one. Duke starters on free
throws just thirteen of twenty four. Number six ranked Perdue
won in Indianapolis, beating up number twenty one Auburn eighty
eight to sixty. Number eight Houston had a top twenty
matchup with Arkansas and New Jersey. Houston wins at ninety

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four eighty five. There were two games in Atlanta today.
Number twelve North Carolina edged Ohio State seventy one seventy
Kentucky beat number twenty two Saint John seventy eight sixty six.
Number one Arizona is in action tonight, just you know,
in honor of Arnie Spaniel. Number one Arizona is still
going to be undefeated after tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Hey, he must have been on air during a win
last week. It's kind of a megasofta Alabama during this time.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
So this is the one team, this year's Arizona Wildcats
basketball team, that's bucking the trend in that athletic department.
Sixty two forty the lead for Arizona over San Diego
State with two and a half minutes left. And we
did have a women's basketball game of note, and I
don't mean the Yukon win, although that was yet another
Connecticut blowout on TV today in Brooklyn. They beat Iowa

(01:01:44):
ninety to sixty four. No, there was a game at
Southern Illinois today with a home team two and seven
this year, wound up beating Judson eighty five to twenty nine.
Southern Illinois was ahead in the second quarter twenty five
to one. The visiting team wound up shooting seventeen percent
from the floor, nine baskets on the day and twenty

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seven turnovers. Attendance at Southern Illinois three hundred and forty two.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Can I say this very random thing for me to say,
so obviously, like when a duke has to schedule a
bad team, they'll schedule like a Southern Illinois one of
my favorite random things is like, oh, Southern Illinois schedule Judson,
and then just doing the Google search on Judson, it's like, oh,
it's a four hundred and fifty person Jesuit school in Billings, Montana.

(01:02:34):
I learned so much doing that. It's just a little
fun fact about twys that does come up.

Speaker 6 (01:02:38):
And of course, as we've talked about on this show,
there are in women's basketball, even with ranked teams, blowout
after blowout. I mean, UCLA is a very good team
again in women's hoops again this year. They beat windless
Long Beach State one oh six forty four today.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
So I'll give you an example. So the other night,
Kentucky men's team played North Carolina Central. So I'm like, oh,
how bad is North Carolina Central? Hot bat? Is Kentucky
gonna win?

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
North Carolina Central at the time was like three and eight.
I was like, who did North Carolina Central beat Bluefield
State to CoA Tacoa Falls, which I googled that somewhere
in Georgia, Georgia. Yes, well there's a college there. Did
you know it's literally underneath the no it's nine.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
I didn't know that, but that's where that's the home
of an independent wrestling organization I worked for early in
my career. Yeah, so I was in Takoa every Saturday
night performing No Way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yep, you were in Takoa every Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Tacoa slash Cornelia, Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Yep, unbelievable. Jason.

Speaker 6 (01:03:36):
By the way, a Baptist university in Illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Okay, Tacoa Falls is a stunning one hundred and eighty
six foot free falling waterfall located on the campus. This
is what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
All Right, you're a little more excited than maybe I
thought you would be. Well, that's good.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
He's learning about in his country. I applaud you. More
people should be excited. I guess like I just dropped
it to coin Falls.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Davemart's like, yeah, tell me, let me tell you about
all the saturdays I spent there back in ninety eight.
I'm like, good, you know you learned something new about
the people you work with all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:04:09):
Friend of mine, their daughter went to CoA Falls.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Actually, who's that.

Speaker 6 (01:04:12):
A friend of mine's daughter went to That's the only
time I've heard of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
See, I learned something about your friend's daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
There's a lot happening in this segment right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Yes, there is to Co Falls College, by the way,
not quite.

Speaker 6 (01:04:25):
As much as happened in the Bear game. But all right, well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Let's get back on track here. We're a little off of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
More than happened in Oxford.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, to co of Falls. I think that's who Oregon
was playing in the college football playoff to night. All right,
let's talk about this Fox Sports radio eron towards Jason
mart So, do you want to do the hard pivot
to actual sports news? And this is obviously a couple
of days old, but I think it is actually, in
my opinion, one of the more interesting conversations to have

(01:04:55):
about the NFL over the next six to eight months. Okay,
so obviously, look City Chiefs lost on last Sunday. You know,
they're eliminated from the playoffs. But to me, I think
what's so interesting about this is listen, Patrick Mahomes is hurt.
It's awful, we all get it. He tore his acl.

(01:05:16):
He has said he wants to come back for week one.
To me, why this becomes interesting though, j Martin, you
and I have been talking about since week one. I
remember coming on on a Saturday after they played on
Friday against the Chargers, and we were saying, this team
isn't that good. They have a Hall of Fame quarterback
and not a lot around And I just find this

(01:05:39):
fascinating because, you know, I just I think this is
the moment in time where the Chiefs have to do
the hard reset. They're obviously gonna end up probably with
you know, they're sitting right now at six and eight,
you know, the final two or Broncos and Raiders. So
you so finished seven and nine, say, probably finished with
a top fifteen pick, which also means they'll be drafting

(01:06:00):
in the top half of every round. I don't think
you rush back Patrick Mahomes next year. And I know
Patrick Mahomes wants to play Week one, but besides the
fact that he's obviously incredible, whatever, I think this is
exactly what the Chiefs need to reset for the next
iteration of what they're gonna be with Patrick Mahomes's quarterback.
What did you make of the news of the last week.

(01:06:21):
I think this is sort of you never want Patrick
Mahomes to go down with injury, but it's kind of
a blessing in dis guys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
I mean, he obviously wasn't gonna stop playing football, and
this kind of stopped him, and it just this just
felt like the kind of inevitable end of this sort
of It's almost like the Chiefs are still in a
nice car, but they just ran out of gas, sure,
and so they just kind of stopped moving finally. Like

(01:06:49):
when you run out of gas, you don't just stop immediately.
You just start slowing down more and more and you
notice more cars are passing. Then you have to kind
of try to move over to the shoulder and try
to get out of the way because you just don't
have anything left and you can't get to the service station.
That's just gonna be it for you at that point
in time. And then eventually you just kind of roll

(01:07:10):
to a stop. And it just felt like the chief
season finally rolled to a stop. And now some maintenance
needs to be done on that car. You find out
it's actually not just the gas, it's the fuel pump. Actually,
there's some other things under the hood that are gonna
need to be looked at as well. The tires. Tread's
not looking like it once did. It's just not as

(01:07:33):
sharp as it once was. There's still a lot to
like about it, but some big time things are gonna
have to come out of the old wallet to take
care of that car. That's what it feels like to
the Chiefs. I'm not rushing him back either, because I
don't think next year can be their year either. I
think we've kind of reached that Patriot ceiling right there
when they lost to the Titans in the playoff game,

(01:07:53):
and you knew that was probably gonna be it for
Tom Brady in New England. Like we were just getting
to that point where there just wasn't much left in
the tank for them. They got there faster. But I
think it's just because around the Chiefs we already knew
that there was a lot of talent, but I didn't.
I don't know that we recognize that in the division
they were gonna face this kind of challenge, But also

(01:08:15):
they were just gonna look old really fast. And I
think that's what you've got here. It's not like Reid's forgotten,
forgotten how to coach, and we know how good Mahomes is,
but looking around him at his weapons this year, he
dealt with injuries early in the season, guys coming back
off suspension, all that, but I mean his mister everything
for such a long time outside of Tyreek Hill as

(01:08:36):
Kelsey and Kelsey's just not the same player anymore. He
can still give you some things, but he's been lapped
by others at the position. At this point, he's gonna
walk into the Hall of Fame as one of, if
not the greatest tight end to ever play the game.
Like everything is still gravy for what they've accomplished. But
this version of the Kansas City Chiefs, it's kind of

(01:08:56):
just hit it. It's kind of just hit its apex.
And at this point we're gonna have to see a
new version of this because the old version has kind
of reached it its destination.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Something that maybe never reached its destination. Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, listen,
two or three pretty damning quotes from Joe Burrow over
the last couple weeks now. The one that kind of
caught my attention. It's a few weeks old now, but
basically essentially he said, I'm not having fun right now.

(01:09:29):
It felt very Andrew Luckish to me. I don't think
we're there yet, but this is a guy now, you know.
And I keep saying this about Joe Burrow, we think
because he got into the league in twenty twenty, that
he's some young guy. He's twenty nine years old. He
will be thirty obviously next season. He's not young anymore.

(01:09:51):
Multiple season ending injuries, multiple other injuries, including the turf toe,
and it does feel like they have reached a point
of of crazy frustration now. He was asked earlier this week,
is there any scenario you're not the Cincinnati Bengals quarterback
next year? And he said, I cannot see a scenario
where I'm not the Cincinnati Bengals quarterback next year. But

(01:10:11):
I just bring it up because I don't know exactly
what the endgame is for him. I don't think it's retirement,
and I don't think the Bengals are trading him. But
it feels like it's getting really toxic really quick over
there in Cincinnati.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
He's unhappy because well, I mean, he's frustrated because he's
getting hurt again. And look, that's the same thing that
you talked about with Andrew Luck. And I remember talking
to Jeff Schwartz when Luck was trying to come back,
and you had those weird kind of cryptic well his arm.
We're still trying to see, like before we would come back,
and Jeff would say the most debilitating and the most

(01:10:48):
frustrating and just depressing thing for an athlete is to
be hurt seemingly perpetually, but you feel like you're healthy,
you come back, and you get hurt again, because the
process of come back from injury is so just brutal
and taxing and all of the physical therapy and everything
that you're trying to do to get back into game shape,

(01:11:09):
and then when you get cut off again almost immediately,
that can become like a real mental issue for you,
like it can just it can remove the fun from
the game. And that's where you That's where I think
you kind of drummed that Andrew Luck point from. And
I think there's there's some there's a point there. But
the other side is he's also looking at a football

(01:11:31):
team that the defense. Guess what, it wasn't lou Anaarumo's
fault that the defense didn't play well last year. They
just don't have a very good defense and there's only
so much you can do with the guys on that roster.
And he played almost MVP level football last year and
it got them absolutely nowhere because they couldn't stop anybody
and this year's defense is one of the worst statistically

(01:11:53):
in NFL history, and he's hurt and he comes back
there out of it, but he loves football. But nothing's right,
And so I think I don't know how it ends
in Cincinnati either. But if I'm somebody in there notoriously
not particularly likable front office, I'm calling Burrow into the
office and I'm trying to cut this off at the
pass as fast as possible. And I'm like, Joe, are

(01:12:15):
you good with Zach?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
Are you good with Zach? Because if you're not, we
can move on from him, because there's nothing particularly special
about Zach Taylor. Even if Burrow were to retire two
or three years from now, I don't think that you
can't find another Zach Taylor. Not that he's done a
bad job, but I want to make sure that my
QB one, who also is the key to my wide

(01:12:37):
receiver one, because if Burrow leaves, you can bet Jamar
Chase will be somewhere else pretty soon as well. You
cannot lose the domino here or you're going to lose
all the ones behind it. So if that means we
have to make changes on the sideline, Joe then we're
going to do that because we got to make sure
you're happy, because you're one of those guys that's worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yeah, No, I think I listen. I think it's tough
for any coach, you know, to have any level of
success when you know one of the four or five
best quarterbacks in the league is not healthy. You know,
essentially every year and certainly for most of this season.
But that you know, we've talked about many different things.
Feeling like they've run their course over the course of

(01:13:20):
the last couple hours, it just feels like it might
be time for a fresh voice for the Cincinnati Bengals
four and ten right now. Obviously we know the situation there.
Back to back losses and it's pretty bleak for the
Cincinnati Bangles. So Fox Sports Radio ertors Jason Martin, broadcasting
live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios, will come back.

(01:13:41):
Get it over the news desk do Saga with his
extended update. He gives it to us every week around
this time. To Sager's next Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody.
Fox Sports Radio er Torris Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Be honest, I've heard a
lot of Christmas songs is this Luda? It is now?

(01:14:04):
I was not aware of this song before right now.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Look I wasn't either, but I'm alright with it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
You and the Christmas spirit, Ludacris get any Christmas spirit always, man,
No who else gets me in the Christmas spirit? Steve
de Seger. Yeah, even in February, Like I'm just like
you know what, I'm a little I need a little
Christmas spirit. I throw it over the news desk and
every single time to Saga delivers, even in April when

(01:14:31):
you're giving us NBA scurse.

Speaker 6 (01:14:34):
Okay, I'll accept ed. I'm a fine as American who
celebrates Christmas on an annual basis.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Oh, an annual basis?

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Okay, good, so it was supposed to do. Now the
NBA Cup is over, we will take sports.

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
Left banner or no banner. What a great tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
I will say, if you celebrate a Christmas on a
bi annual basis, that'd be a very interesting conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:14:54):
Well, some people are more into it, okay when December
comes around than others. So some people have been more
into this first round of the College Football Playoff as
it's come around than others. We had Ole Miss as expected,
killing Tulane forty one to ten.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Today.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Mississippi had beaten him forty five to ten back in September.
Quarterback Jake Rehetzlov, who by the way, made the playoff BYU,
did not Reetzlaff one touchdown, three turnovers over three hundred
yards passing the quarterback for Mississippi, Trinidad chamberl Is three
total tds, two hundred and eighty two yards passing Old
Miss's offense without Lane Kiffen, thirty first downs and nearly

(01:15:29):
five hundred yards and only one penalty today, so Old
Miss will play Georgia in the Sugar Bowl quarter final
New Year's Night. Mississippi lost at Georgia in a can
I call it an SEC Classic In October it was
forty three to thirty five. Georgia scored seventeen straight points
in the fourth quarter to win that one. Number five
Oregon at home, as expected beat James Madison tonight fifty

(01:15:52):
one thirty four. Was not expected, as Oregon led thirty
four to three late in the second quarter, scoring touchdowns
on its first five drives. Dante Moore, Troy Aikman's best friend,
five total touchdowns and two interceptions.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
I would miss that. I must have missed that.

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
Without naming names. Troy Aikman's talked about the amount of
dough that he gave to UCLA for nil and the
quarterback only stayed for nine games and left, and he
never even got to thank you. On into the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
He's basically like I gave to Nile once, never.

Speaker 6 (01:16:24):
Again, and I'm sure Toroy won't be paid back once.
Perhaps a first round contract comes Moore's way. Each team
in this Oregon game had over five hundred yards of offense,
but at the Ducks. It's the Ducks who advanced to
face Texas Tech in the Orange Bowl quarterfinal on New
Year's Day. And then you had Miami winning today ten
to three at Texas A and m on a touchdown

(01:16:45):
with under two minutes left. The game was scoreless at halftime.
Mark Fletcher of the Hurricanes seventeen carries one hundred and
seventy two yards. He alone had sixty two percent of
the yards from scrimmage for the HR in this game.
Is amazing in the game, yeah, and nobody else was
doing anything. This has never happened in one of the

(01:17:06):
college football playoff games where one guy had at least
sixty percent of his team's yards from scrimmage. The Miami
offense had eleven drives and just twelve first downs, and
they still advance. A and M quarterback Marcel Reid three turnovers,
including an interception in the end zone with under thirty
seconds left. A and M and had one field goal
attempt blocked. Today, Miami missed three field goal attempts. Kane's

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defense though with seven sacks, so the Aggies, who were
eleven to Ozher and then lost to Texas, lost to
Miami to end the season. Attendance for this at home
was one hundred and four thousand. Miami will play number
two Ohio State on New Year's Eve at the Cotton Bowl. Alabama,
with the comeback win at Oklahoma last night, will be
in the Rose Bowl quarterfinal against number one Indiana. Bama's

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co offensive coordinator, Nick Sheridan will leave to be a
Michigan State assistant after Alabama's run ends. Arizona State resigned
coach Kenny Dillingham to a five yeard deal. Iowa State
quarterback rock O Beckt is entering the transfer portal. His
coach left for Penn State.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Monday State.

Speaker 6 (01:18:07):
That's the immediate. Uh my goodness, this is kind of logical.
Let's connect the two dots. There are to connectedness dots.
That's right in theory. He's going to be open to
any suitor next month, so standing by for that, he's
got one, he's got one year to go. Wouldn't he
go where the coach goes at?

Speaker 3 (01:18:26):
One would think?

Speaker 6 (01:18:28):
Just thinking Monday in Boise a Bowl game with Washington
State against Utah State Washington State campus not that far
from Boise. Three other ball games on Tuesday, and then
Hawaii hosts the Hawaii Bowl on Christmas Eve against cal
On Wednesday night tonight, in the NFL, we had Packers Bears,
the two hundred and tenth regular season meeting between those two,

(01:18:49):
most in NFL history. But this here late in the
season was just the second time ever these two had met,
with both of them entering the game with nine or
more wins, and we wound up with quite a Bears finish.
The comeback overtime win against Green Bay twenty two sixteen.
I mentioned with the wind in the Windy City tonight,
there were no long passes completed until late third quarter

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when Malik Willis off the bench through a TD to
Romeo Dobbs and went forty yards in the air topping
That was Caleb Williams game winner. It was a forty
six yard TD in the stat book it traveled fifty
seven yards in the air to dj Moore. We mentioned
he was blanketed by Keishawn Nixon and still caught the ball.
Next gen stat said it was about a half yard

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of separation that Moore had and he still wins the game.
And as we mentioned earlier, two wide receivers were out
due to injury for Chicago tonight, Roma Dunze and Luther Burden.
Packers quarterback Jordan Love left in the first half with
a concussion on a roughing the passer penalty. Dallas plays
defensive back to Ron bland on injured reserve, but Trayvon

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Diggs was activated. The Cowboys are officially eliminated now that
Philadel came back to win today and a great stat
that we were onto the sixtieth Super Bowl. First thirty years,
the Cowboys played in essentially the conference title game sixteen
times out of the thirty. These last thirty years, not
a single appearance in the NFC championship game for Dallas unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Thank you very much to Saigre Fox Sports Radio air
towards Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios.
We will come back reset that Bears, Packers thriller. J
Mart's got NBA Cup takes for the rest of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Welcome to everybody. I wur three tours Martin Fox Sports Radio.
We are broadcasting live. Yes, we are live one am
Eastern from the Fox Sports Radio studios, taking you up
until two am Eastern. Bernie Frado of The Bernie Frado
Show follows us. You know, Bernie's got takes on a
lot of things, but you're gonna want to hear what

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he has to say about the Michigan coaching vacancy. Jennymar
we haven't talked much about that. You know, we got
to get back to the Bears and the Packers and
maybe college football playoff. And I know you have takes
on takes about the NBA Cup this week, so many takes,
but for half a second. By the way, so you
and I were off air last week the Sharon Moore story,

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and it's it's just obviously very sad and very serious,
one of the craziest. I don't know if it's this
world that we live in where we just move on
to the next thing so fast. It's one thing to
get fired. The dude was in jail for three days
before he eventually made bail, and you know whatever, But

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Charon Moore's out. Michigan still doesn't have a coach, but
we didn't get a chance to talk about it last week.
I don't know if you have any takes this week.
Kenny Dillingham, the Arizona State coach, signed an extension earlier
this week or earlier on Saturday, he was believed to
be a candidate. You have any big Bowl takes or
big bold opinions on everything that's gone on at Michigan
the last ten or so days. Given that, again you

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and I were not on air last Saturday, I just.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Can't believe it. Even when he was let go, you
felt like, okay, well, there was some kind of there
was an untoward situation here, and of course Cherie Wore
is married with kids and all this other stuff, so
it's like, all right, this is ugly and it's reflecting
bad on the university, and you didn't want to go
down that pathway where it was, well, this is lucky

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break for Michigan to be able to fire him with cause,
because they were probably going to do that next year anyway.
And you know, you had made this comments during the
season a few times that it's just like there didn't
seem to be any like real confidence behind him from
the fan base, despite the fact that he kept on
winning games. But very quickly you realized, no, Michigan didn't

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have a choice here, and the timing of this is
not good for them at all because a lot of
these coaches have already been hired. You've already gotten pass
nash soning like, there's all sorts of things that have
already happened that makes this a bad moment for Michigan
to try and do this. So certainly you look at
a job like that and you say that's a coveted job.

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But even before you think about Michigan, I just think
about all the people involved in that, and it's just
like you're watching this guy on Saturday's coaching all year,
and you remember him coaching in Jim Harbaugh's stead a
couple of years ago and crying after that win against
Ohio State, and all of this and you get to
this and not only was he fired and you talked

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about him being in jail for three days, Aaron, he
was fired and in jail within the same day. Yep.
Like his life was turned completely upside down. And look,
this is not me having a particular brand of sympathy
for him based on you know, it looks like there
were some very ugly things that were going on there.

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But I just what an awful, awful story like at
that point it superseeds football and of course Horse the
Michigan job and and everything that surrounds it is very
interesting from our perspective. But it just reminds you again
that there's there's there are things in this world that
are way more important than football.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Yep. Yeah, No, I won't add much more than that,
because yes, there is you know, a conversation we had
about who's the next Michigan coach. You know, the timing
of everything, as you said, is wild. There's I think
the other thing that's worth noting. There's an outside you know,
an outside law firm hasn't been brought in to investigate
the situation, and so a lot more you know, skeletons

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for lack of a better term could be kind of
popped up over the next couple of months. But yeah,
crazy story at Michigan, and uh yeah, Bernie Fratto. The
only reason I bring it up because Bernie Fratto's up next.
No one is more plugged in in that area. Bernie
lived in Michigan. Bernie covered the Michigan Wolverines for years,
and I, among many will be listening to hear what

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he has me to say about that situation. Our All right,
let's switch gears. And speaking of situations, we had a
situation in Soldier Field on Saturday night. So two NFL
games on Saturday. The first one the Eagles took care
of business against the Commanders. Commanders obviously no Jaydon Daniels.
That one was not all that surprising. What may be

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surprising maybe not the final result in Chicago, but the
Bears trailed sixteen to six with under five minutes to go,
kick a field goal then recovering on sidekick force overtime
at sixteen. All the Bears or the Packers, excuse me,

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get the ball to start overtime. A fumble recovery by
the Chicago Bears. Chicago Bears have the ball at midfield
and this is what it sounded like.

Speaker 5 (01:25:52):
Ah, the fake Williams looking downfield, watching downfield, going.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
D chamber.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Kevin Burkhart, Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
Tom Brady. Tom Brady was the screaming voice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
That's what I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
Yeah, that was Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
It wasn't positive. Kevin Burkhart, Tom Brady out the call.
That was via our colleagues at Fox Sports and Fox
The Chicago Bears unbelievable comeback win. The twenty two to
sixteen overtime walk off win. The Bears now eleven and
four in the Division, a game and a half lead

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over the Green Bay Packers. They haven't officially even clinched
a playoff spot yet, but can tomorrow depending on some results.
It looks like the Bears are going to win the
NFC North and potentially get as high as the number
two seed. I guess in theory they could still get
the one seed, but probably the two seed if they
win the NFC North and unbelievable dream season in chicag.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
Considering coming into this season and thinking about the NFC North,
and you know, you got McCarthy and you weren't sure,
but you knew what Darnold had done last year. You
felt like good coach, and you got Justin Jefferson, and
all the things seemed to be in pretty good shape
in Minnesota. Detroit was you know, within an eyelash of

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a couple of Super Bowl appearances, it felt like over
the last couple of years. And then you got Green
Bay that's always knocking on the door, even though Pittsburgh
or Philadelphia beat them down last year in the playoffs,
but you know, a lot to like there. And then
of course you get you get Michael Parsons there the
trade deadline as well to add to it. And now

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it's going to be the Chicago Bears and a quarterback
that people were trying to give up on last year
and a coach that was going into his first head
coaching job. They're the ones that are going to win
this division and go into the playoffs and host the
playoff game. The NFL is wild, man. That's basically my

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point here.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
It's crazy because you know, we'd have to go back
and look at all of our preseason predictions. But that
I think, I think in hindsight, that's maybe an underrated
part of the conversation is like it's easy to be like, now, Okay,
JJ McCarthy didn't play last year up and down season,
although he obviously is playing better Detroit Lions. Okay, whatever.

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I just remember thinking, I do believe in Ben Johnson.
I'm not ready to give up on Caleb Williams. But
I remember thinking, okay, because of the division, the ceiling
is probably like ten and seven, nine and eight, the
last wildcard spot, you know what I'm saying, like like

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and so I think that's a great point by you,
And now you look at it and listen. Obviously, part
of it is Minnesota struggle. Detroit isn't what we thought
it was though. The offensive coordinator situation is a mess.
But we're looking at the Chicago Bears not only winning
the division, but a division that we felt like coming
into the season was one of the toughest in the NFL.
So incredible story. Eleven and four. You know, we talked

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about in the first hour when the game went final,
I think to me, I do think that this is
almost a free role type situation for the Chicago Bears
right now. You're not like going to make the playoffs again,
you could potentially get the number two seed. You're almost
certainly going to win the division. Yeah, every person that

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plays sports at any level wants to win every game
they compete in, and there's only one team that can
hoist that Vince Lombardi Trophy, and so obviously anyone who
doesn't is going to be disappointed. But I would just
counter by saying, I think it's already been a successful season.
I think it's already been an incredible year, and I
think anything that happens from here is kind of gravy
for the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Yeah, I mean, you look to next year, and then
next year becomes all right, now we got to take
another step. But in terms of this year, I think
you've already exceeded everybody's expectations, highest expectations for what this
could look like in year one. So I think at
this point, at this point, if you aren't okay with this,

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then I just don't know that you're ever gonna be
okay as a fan, like this is this right here
is the dream to bring in a new coach, still
got a young quarterback that was a number one overall pick,
and then you find out maybe he hasn't been ruined
after all. Like I feel like you've at this point
it is very much a house money situation that doesn't
mean they're not going to compete, and it doesn't mean

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you have no right to feel bad if they lose.
But you have to leave this season feeling optimistic considering
what you felt like last year.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Unbelievable finish, really quick. Philadelphia Eagles beat the Washington Commanders
twenty nine to eighteen. Second straight division title in the
NFC East, which is obviously something that doesn't happen very
often in that division. Any big picture takeaways for the
Eagles who win the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
Game going away?

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Jalen Hurts one hundred and eighty five yards passing twenty
two of thirty, so you know, statistically he was fine.
I watched the game. It wasn't always pretty, but they
get the victory and they improved to ten and five.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Say it again, man, I'm just very whelmed by that team.
I just I don't I'm not particularly impressed with them.
I know they have ability. Obviously they're the defending champions.
Maybe their best football comes in the postseason, but there's
just nothing about what they've done that doesn't feel middle
of the road to me.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
This year totally fair. Philadelphia Eagles close next week in
Buffalo should be an awesome game that is next Sunday,
and then they close with the Commanders for a second
time in three weeks. Obviously, when the schedule makers put
that one together, they were not expecting the Commanders to
currently sit at four and eleven overall going into the

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final two weeks of the season. Fox Sports Radio air
tors Jason i'mtin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Do you want to come back? Do you want to
talk a little bit of Actually the NBA? Oh no, well,
NBA Cup is complete. I'm not sure that anybody season's over.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Well, it was an incredible rally for the Knicks and
they were so excited that they are not hanging a banner.
We'll discuss all that next. Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody.
Fox Sports Radio aertors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
Fox Sports Radio Studios. Fun show so far, we still

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got thirty nine minutes left until we toss it over
to Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Fratto Show. Ertors Jason Martin,
Fox Sports Radio, All right, j mart let's do it.
We've been teasing for hours. Now takes on the NBA Cup.

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Couple key takeaways here, New York Knicks are your NBA
Cup champion, first noteworthy championship, if you want to call
it such a thing, since they won a NBA title
in the nineteen seventies. Just reading the AP report here,
it says the weight since the night, the wait since

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nineteen seventy three to add another one didn't end on
Tuesday night, But New York can make room for an
NBA Cup banner. Well, fun fact, the Knicks are not
going to hang up an NBA Cup banner, but they
did beat the San Antonio Spurs one twenty four, one thirteen,
and the NBA Cup in year three is such a
success that not only are the Knicks not hanging up
a banner, Adam Silver says it's leaving Vegas and that

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they are going to bring it to iconic college basketball
venues in the future.

Speaker 3 (01:33:51):
So some of that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Nothing screams uh successful Oh, I don't even know what
the right word is, but successful venture other than no
one the team winning it, not acknowledging that they want
it and then also announcing that you're gonna make sweeping
changes next year. But hey, the courts are cool. J

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Mart take this wherever you'd like.

Speaker 3 (01:34:17):
Gosh, there's so many ways.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Actually the courts aren't cool, but continue anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
I yeah know they're not. I mean, look, Charles Barker,
I don't know who what interview he was on, but
I saw the clip where it's just like, it's kind
of ridiculous that Adam Silver has had to come up
with this thing that happens in December to keep guys
from load managing that essentially we're paying them extra money

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despite the millions and millions of dollars that they're already
being compensated and whatever this trophy is. Did you hear
Stan Van Gundy? I did that on third and fourth
in the third and fourth quarter of that game. I
did in a replay. He was saying that the real
MVP of this entire thing is Adam Silver, for this

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wonderful idea that's led to all this hard fought basketball
and all this other stuff, and about just what an
incredible leader Adam Silver is. And I'm just like, man,
I hope to check clears, Stan, Like I really hope
it clears, because you cannot be serious with this, Like
the knicks not hanging the banner is the is the

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win here? The fact that like, yeah, you celebrate it
on the court whatever, but this is not what you're
playing for, and you can't act like it is. And
so they're gonna treat this like it is an exhibition
because that's all that it is, and they're gonna go
try to win an NBA championship. And I credit to

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them for not making this more than it is. I
know Adam Silver's trying to generate interest in this league.
I get it, But this thing is a force. We've
said it was a force since moment one. It's literally
is now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:07):
But literally moment one. We were on air during Summer
League when they announced the format and we were like,
wait what Yeah, And this still goes back to first
of all, besides the fact that you know, we all
know where I stand on Edamsilver. I think he's a clown.
But I only bring it up because this just goes

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back to this was called the mid season Tournament before
it became the NBA Cup. And I still believe if
you just put all thirty teams in Vegas and you
played games morning, noon to night, and a champion was
crowned at the end of it, that would actually be
a pretty cool event. But this thing where some games

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are NBA Cup games and some games aren't and they
all count towards the playoff standings, but only some of
them count towards the And it's like, and you know,
as we've joked, like you only know it's an NBA
Cup game because of the court. It's just like, Adam,
just give us a stupid bracket. Let's fill it out.

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By the way, we have a Fox Sports Radio college
football playoff bracket that you can fill out at Foxsports
Radio dot iHeart dot com right now. Fun fact, just
give us a bracket and will be probably more into
it than it is now. It listen all I will say.
You can tell something is not working when they are

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changing the location. I think that's the other thing too.
It was supposed to be this big Vegas destination getaway
thing that's clearly not happening. And like I said, it
could have worked middle of December. I know, we had
college football playoff games in NFL. There's nothing going on
in the middle week. Get them out there on a Tuesday,
play Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, whatever. I don't know. There are

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way to create interest in the NBA in the middle
of the season outside of the regular season. This just
isn't it. And it's year three and people don't get it.
And I'll add this too, the whole college arenas thing.
First of all, I was joking with a buddy like
so in uh when they I don't know how much

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you follow like regular season college basketball, jam er, but
like they play whatever, like two teams just need to
play a game just to be on a neutral court.
They do it at the Sanford Pentagon, which is basically
in South Dakota. And I was like, yeah, Adam Silver's
gonna somehow screw this up and put this at the
Sanford Pentagon. Okay, but I would bring it up because
now they want to move it to Cameron Indoor or

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fog Allen Fieldhouse or whatever. It's another bad idea that's
not gonna work. You know why Kansas games are really
awesome at fog Allen One because it's Kansas University. Yeah,
and two because they've been playing there for a hundred
plus years, eighty years old. You don't say, yeah, listen, listen.

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I'll give Adam Silver the benefit of the doubt. I
think if Wemby shows up on a Tuesday in Lawrence, Kansas,
it might peak interest from the people that are there.
But if you expect Kansas versus Duke or Duke versus
Carolina at Cameron Indoor because you brought Wenby or Giannis,
it's not gonna happen. It's just this guy just drives

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me freaking crazy. But that's the other element they now
want to go to iconic back college basketball arenas. I
can tell you ninety nine percent of college basketball fans
either don't understand this or do not care at all.

Speaker 3 (01:39:38):
Yeah, I just like, I don't know what it says
about where your sport is that you're having to generate
novelty after novelty after novelty. We're trying to fix the
All Star Game, We're trying to mask load management, we're
trying to, you know, do all of the saying, so

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here's this, here's the NBA Cup, so that our so
that looks like our season matters before it does. When
no one is paying attention to your sport right now
at all, And like, I just it's again, it just
feels like stop trying to make fetch a thing. Like
I mean, we've said that before, but that's really what
it is. It's like, dude, like no one cares about

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this right now, you can do all that you want.
The only thing that I'm interested in right now that's
happening in the NBA is whatever was going on with
Chris Paul and the Clippers talk about read that article
this week that was actually interesting to me. But outside
of that, there's just nothing here, man, Like there's just
I understand you're the commissioner, you got to figure out something,

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but all of this just feels like desperation to me, Like,
stop trying to create a tournament. You already have one.
You crown a champion until that point, stay in the
shallow in homes like no one's buying this. There's no
reason to overshoot your You just you can't get there.
Let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:41:00):
It's unbelievable. And I think the other thing too, and
last thing, because I want to get to the sagre
I actually do want to talk about that Clipper story.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Is like.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
It's one thing if like you and I don't care
or it hasn't really caught on.

Speaker 3 (01:41:16):
But.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
You have to. You have to make the teams care,
like like you know, the biggest way that I know
that this isn't a thing that I should care about.
The Knicks are not raising a banner for it. And
if you remember last year, the Bucks won it and
there was champagne in the locker room, but they refuse
to drink it. And so you know, listen, I I

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think that's the number one issue. You can't make it
a thing that we care about if the players and
the teams are telling you don't care about it. And
by the way, I think it was Nick, right, I'll
give him credit. I want to say it was maybe him.
Basically he just said, just put up a banner, like like,
just mandate that a banner goes up, so where at
least pretending like this thing matters now Apparently.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Then you would opt out of playing in it, like
if you had any chance of winning, Like, nope, nope,
there will be no banner for us to raise for
the end season tournament. Like like, I understand what you're
saying about, Nick, But at that point, I'm like, all right,
I'm we're just we're just gonna take the NBA Cup
off because we don't want to hang a banner and
we're afraid we might win this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
I'll tell you what. You know who has no banners
of any substance at all. Arnie Spanier No, Arnie Spaniards,
Arizona Wildcats won a championship. The Clippers, No, that's Clippers
never have though, and we're starting to see why you
talk about a rotten apple. That entire locker room stinks.
Now that Chris Paul is gone, we're gonna discuss that
next First, though, let's get over the news desk to

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Seger final time for us this evening. What is trending?

Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
Serp And I will also add pile on, perhaps just
as a statistician, the fact that you're playing a game
during the season that's supposed to be a big deal
and it doesn't count in the stats, kind of like
when you created that new first round to open the
postseason and that play in doesn't count in the stats.
What are you doing? So you're you're a league that's

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asking people to care about a game that you literally
don't care about enough to put it down on papers
for eternity. I mean, that's just you're telling me that
the next game against fill in the blank, Utah Orlando
in the last month counts more, means more than what

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we saw in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
Just is it a thing or is it not? You
got to decide on him so, and I don't think,
by the way, Clippers hornets at fog Allen Field House
is the answer. But that's another conversation.

Speaker 6 (01:43:48):
The only way that would really work is if you
have a tie in with somebody on the roster. Sure,
you know, if the Clippers when they had Elton Brand,
if you're going to Cameron or you know, any number
of guys over the years, absolutely that would work. But
you don't know in advance.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
That's exactly it. By the way, as a college basketball guy,
I do find it funny that for years they were
trying to kill college basketball and now they're basically trying
to piggyback off of what is clearly you know.

Speaker 6 (01:44:15):
Oh no, some leads they can't match. Yeah, some leagues
do a really good job of just shooting themselves in
the foot. Just give them time.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:44:22):
Meanwhile, what is the thing is these Bears come back victories.
The Bears had not won a game that they were
trailing by double digits with three minutes left since two
thousand and two. They were down to the Packers at
home tonight with two minutes left, sixteen to six, and
still beat Green Bay in overtime twenty two to sixteen.

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Caleb Williams with two late touchdown passes, including this.

Speaker 7 (01:44:47):
Now Caleb play fake looking to throw, searching for j
More over the shoulder.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Catch me touchdown.

Speaker 7 (01:44:55):
Bears HiT's over at Soldier Field. The iceman come who
I Smith take it a forty six yard spiral to
the end zone to Djmore twenty two sixteen.

Speaker 6 (01:45:09):
Bears finally in overtime Jeff Jodiak, Bears Radio. We mentioned
it last hour. The Bears this season have six different victories.
After trailing in the last two minutes of the fourth quarter,
they are up to eleven and four, six and one
at home. Packers quarterback Jordan Love left in the first
half with a concussion on a roughing the passer penalty.

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Green Bay, on its possession of overtime, had fumbled the
snap on fourth and one. Cairo Santo's silent hero in
this one for the Bears three for three on field
goals in a tough wind, and he hit from forty three,
forty six and fifty one yards. Theoretically, if he doesn't
make even one of those, they don't go to overtime,
but in the last two minutes of regulation, the Bears

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had a field goal a very rare on side kick
recovery and then the tying touchdown pass which came on
fourth down. Running Backanungai ninety three total yards and only
twelve touches. Green Bay had failed to score a TD
on three different goal to go drives and in fact
on red zone tds oh for five. Tonight, Philadelphia clinched
its division title with a win at Washington twenty nine eighteen.

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No team had won the NFC East in back to
back years since Philly about twenty years ago. Commanders have
lost nine of their last ten. They'll be hosting Dallas
on Christmas Day and then at Philadelphia to finish. Dallas,
by the way mathematically eliminated thanks to this result, Eagles
were down late third quarter ten to seven. Jalen Hurts
two touchdown passes. Saquon Barkley on twenty one carries one

(01:46:37):
hundred and thirty two yards in a score. Aj Brown
nine catches ninety five yards. Quarterback Marcus Mariota of Washington
left with a right hand injury. Josh Johnson entered and
threw an interception. The Rams fired special teams coordinator Chase Blackburn.
Dallas placed defensive back to Ron Blant. On injury reserve,
but Trayvon Diggs was activated. Brown's tackle Jack Cocklin was

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placed on IR with a concussion. Buffalo activated wide receiver
mi Cole Hardman and elevated kicker Michael badge Lee. Dolphins
kicker Jason Sanders is out with a hip injury. First
round of the college football playoff is over Oregon Whip
James Madison fifty one thirty four. The Duck scored touchdowns
on their first five drives. Ole miss had beaten Tulane
in September forty five to ten, beat him at the

(01:47:22):
same place today forty one to ten, and Miami was
scoreless at the half. At Texas A and M final
ten to three, Hurricanes on a touchdown with under two
minutes left. A and M quarterback Marcel Reid with three turnovers,
including an interception in the end zone with under thirty
seconds to go. The NBA late game went to the Clippers,
who were six and twenty one, but beat the Lakers

(01:47:43):
one oh three eighty eight. Lakers were already missing three
injured starters and Luka Donsich left with a bruised leg.
Orlando won in overtime by a point. At Utah, on
a last second basket by Desmond Bain, who had thirty
two points. Houston got thirty one from Kevin Durant and
won at Denver one fifteen one oh one on victories
for Portland and Golden State College hoops at Madison Square Garden,

(01:48:04):
Texas Tech beat number three Duke on a late free
throw eighty two eighty one NHL wins for Tampa Bay
and Anaheim.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve sagar Sega,
of a great evening. Be listening to you tomorrow. I
assume with all the fellows, aren't he Spaniard CRISP Blank?
She kind of curious to hear what Chris Blank has
to say about Friday night in Norman, Oklahoma.

Speaker 6 (01:48:25):
I don't believe anybody had blown a college football playoff
game like they did Friday night since Oklahoma blew a
similar lead in the Rose Bowl to Georgia and Sony
Michell in Company years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
That's true. It wasn't at home.

Speaker 6 (01:48:37):
Though, no home field, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
And it wasn't at home to a team with a
coach that was ready to leave for another job. If no,
I'm kidding it was. That was a big online joke
was that he had already accepted the Michigan job, but
they felled down seventeen.

Speaker 6 (01:48:51):
And an Alabama team whose offense was making you wonder,
are they going to score twenty points tonight? They're down
seventeen nothing already, it's not even halftime.

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
And the running joke was the game that you saw
this afternoon with Texas A and m and Miami, that's
what you were expecting last night, Like that's what you
were expecting between Alabama and Oklahoma. Those two games flipped
and you did not get that at all.

Speaker 6 (01:49:14):
I was kind of expecting that. Once this Miami game
was getting into the third quarter, low scoring and the fourth,
I'm saying, you know, the winner goes to Ohio State
matchup New Year's Eve. That's good. That's the game that's
going to be thirteen to ten. It's going to be,
you know, in Indiana, Ohio State. These these I mean
seven sacks from the Hurricanes today. We've seen what Ohio
State's defense is throughout the season.

Speaker 2 (01:49:36):
We'll find out New Year's Eve, New Year's Date. Ja
Martin and I will be on air, by the way,
at seven pm Pacific ten Eastern, filling in for Jason
Smith and Mike Harman. Of course, we have a full
show to do before that. Jmart real quick, and thank
you again to Segrev a great evening. Before we wrap
the show, a couple things one well not a couple things.
I want to focus on one thing. That is this

(01:49:58):
weird situation with the Los Angeles Clippers. So what was
it two two and a half weeks ago. I think,
you know it was a very early news dump, but
that Chris Paul had left the Clippers, his time there
was done, and essentially that his career was done. We're
trying to figure out what was going on, and it
was clear that Chris Paul was trying to, you know,

(01:50:19):
elevate everyone in the building, and everybody from Tylou the
head coach on down was not agreeing with him and
not butting heads. Bring it up, Ramona Shelburn, I'll give
her some credit from ESPN put out a report this week.
If you want an indication of how chaotic and maybe
sad the Los Angeles Clippers are. Chris Paul and his wife.

(01:50:41):
Obviously this was now a couple months ago. Through a
Halloween party for the Los Angeles Clippers team, the hopes
to build a little bit of camaraderie. Well, it didn't
really happen because basically one to do teammates showed up
three total, Actually I take that back, not including of
course James Harden and Kawhi Leonard. So basically Chris Ball

(01:51:05):
showed up tried to kind of elevate the locker room.
You know, this is a guy that everywhere he goes
the team improves, except with the Clippers. I think it's
a good metaphor for why the Clippers are the Clippers
and why James Harden and Kawhi Leonard are always gonna
be James Harden and Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
Jamar Man I like reading through this and looking at
it like just and you even sell some comments from
like other people that are just like man, Chris Paul
is a pain in the butt regularly imagine this and
all this other kind of stuff is like, dude, I
don't think this is a Chris Paul problem. Like this
is this is so just indicative of what that organization

(01:51:46):
is and what it's been and how everything has gone wrong.
And you can go all the way back. You bring
in playoff p and you get rid of shake gilches
Alexander and all the draft picks that have turned into
Jay when Williams like you think about all of it
horribly run And then let's not let's ghost Chris Paul.
Let's not go to his party when he's trying to

(01:52:08):
do stuff for team chemistry and all this other kind
of stuff. Let's reject his leadership because we I don't
even know, like what's the rationale for it? And then
like Lawrence Frank apparently he's just kind of like, man,
that was a good thing you tried to do. Man,
it's just like what are we doing here? Like this
has got to be It's just so damning. It's so

(01:52:30):
pathetic in so many different ways. It's just like how
how could this organization be more deficient than this? And
you look at this and you're just like, oh, yeah, okay,
this they could they could actually be worse. This is
a team that has a lot of talent, but and like,
I mean, what is TYLERU doing? This is a disaster

(01:52:52):
for them, complete disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Yeah, it's it's just it's a metaphor. And you know
it's funny. I think I told the story and you
know whatever, I don't need to get into all the details,
but basically, let me let me even I'm not evenna
say what I was gonna say, but you you and
I were on air for Game seven last year, Clippers,
when James Harden was whatever, two for six from the field. Listen,
I said it. Then I'll say it now. I'm sorry.

(01:53:18):
Guy's a loser and I mean that and saying, oh, tours,
you never played in the NBA, but whatever. James Harden
has never won anything of note. He has allowsy attitude.
Nowhere is better for him being there, certainly at least
not since he left Houston. And even Houston, you know,
won a bunch of individual awards, team didn't win anything.
And then Kawhi Leonard Listen, he did a lot of

(01:53:39):
great things in San Antonio. He did a lot of
great things in Toronto. This has been a dud. It
just has been. And so you want a reason, you
want a metaphor for why this organization is stuck in
the mud and cannot get out of it. This is
probably pretty good right here, Clippers. Yeah, anything else that no, I.

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
Mean, I agree, I mean, you know what I think
of Harden. I mean, like, there are times when he's
amazing for you on the floor even now. But he's
just not a guy you're gonna win with because the
culture and the chemistry surrounding him have never been good. Like,
you respect his ability, but he's just not a guy
you want to go to war with. He's just not

(01:54:18):
And he has not shown himself in so many key
moments during the course of his career that this could
have been foreseen. And you add him to one of
the more aloof guys, dude that barely even talks to
his own teammates from reports and all this other stuff.
I just, I mean, how was this supposed to work?
This seems like we could have foreseen this a long

(01:54:39):
time ago.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Well, I do have some good news for James Harden.
Clippers currently sitting even after the win on Saturday night
against the Lakers at seven and twenty one overall, five
games out of the ten spot and the play in.
Good news for James Harden is you can't blow a
big playoff game if you're not in the playoffs. So
Fox Sports Radio Erra towards Jason Martin will come back

(01:55:00):
the show a little bit of college football as we
get ready for the quarterfinals of the college football playoff.
That's next. Fox Sports Ready, Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports
Radio aerators. Jason Barton broadcasting that I from the Fox
Sports Radio studios. We're taking you up till two am Eastern,
eleven minutes from now. Bernie Frado takes over for us.

(01:55:24):
As we told this second ago, Bernie Frado as plugged
in as anybody at Michigan. He's got a lot of
stuff on a lot of different topics, but cannot wait
to hear what he has to say about the Michigan
coaching job. By the way, as we go off air,
remember if you missed any of today's show, you're gonna
want to catch the podcast. Just search Fox Sports Radio
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(01:55:44):
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you'll find today's show right after we get off air.
All right, so I mettioned a second ago Bernie Fratto.
Nobody more plugged in in the state of Michigan. Michigan

(01:56:05):
still very much looking for a head coach. One man
who's not going to be the head coach Arizona States
Kenny Dillingham, who agreed to an extension really quickly jamartin
I want to play a piece of sound. Kenny Dillingham
agreed to an extension on Saturday morning to stay at
Arizona State and was asked afterward what he needs and

(01:56:26):
what Arizona State needs to get to the top of
college football. Here's what he had to say.

Speaker 8 (01:56:31):
We need to find one of these really rich people
in this city to step up and stroke a check,
and I'll do everything I can to make you the
most famous person in the city.

Speaker 6 (01:56:39):
Right that's really what we need.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
We need one person.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
We live in Phoenix, Arizona.

Speaker 8 (01:56:44):
You're telling me there's not one person who can stroke
a twenty million dollar check right now. There is somebody
out here who can. There's somebody who can. There's somebody,
and like.

Speaker 3 (01:56:53):
Other people are going to sacrifice.

Speaker 8 (01:56:55):
To be here, somebody step up, step up and be
that dude to say, holy cow, what completely changed it?

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
This person.

Speaker 8 (01:57:05):
There's somebody out there that's going to listen to this,
that's going to get it forwarded it. If you know
somebody who can do it, forward this message to somebody.
Somebody can step up and completely take this place from
the direction that's going to Holy Cow and it's right
here in the city.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
All right. So that was Kenny Dillingham talking about the
state of Arizona football, Arizona State football. So I have
two quick thoughts I'll toss it over to you. One,
I kind of think it's kind of lame to drop
that the day that you sign an extension that's paying
you seven and a half million dollars a year. I
understand he should earn every dollar that Arizona State wants
to give, but asking others for money on a day

(01:57:41):
you signed for a seven and a half million dollar
extension per year deal kind of lame as far as
I'm concerned. But I think the reason I wanted to
bring it up, what does it mean for the state
of college football or does it not mean anything? That
that is basically where we're at, is that if you
don't have a booster or twenty boosters or whatever that
are willing to write those big checks like a Texas Tech,

(01:58:04):
like a Texas maybe in Miami Ohio state, that you,
frankly maybe have no chance of competing at the top
of the sport.

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
So I don't have any problem with him saying it
because I can't find the lie. Sure he stayed there
instead of going to Michigan where it would be easier,
where the coffers are bigger. And he's saying, look, I mean,
he didn't say this, but he's thirty five, it's his
alma mater, he loves it, he chose it quite frankly,
and he's gonna stay there. But he's saying, look, I mean,

(01:58:32):
I mean, he's basically saying, there's only so much that
we can do. We need you, and I think that
like it sounds like a joke, but it's really not.
He's really saying, yeah, I need somebody that's willing to
open it up, open up that bank account, and help
us build the team that we have to build to
try and compete today. What it says about college football

(01:58:53):
is a shame. But that again is why I think
that this whole and we did it off the top,
and you can go listen to the podcast if you
missed it, because we were on opposite sides of the issue.
While you look at Tulane and James Madison, you're just
like this can't continue, Like we have to find a
way to fix some of this and make this because
there's not an even playing field. It's got to be
a meritocracy. But when you got teams spending the kinds

(01:59:16):
of money that all these playoff teams are generally going
to spend, you just can't measure up from an athlete standpoint.
You can't do it. So I look at what he's saying.
He's just like, yeah, I know you're excited that I'm here. Now,
you know, do what you can to help me out
so that we can actually take this thing to the
Promised Land. I got no problem with it at all,

(01:59:37):
because I think he's just being dead honest.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
Yeah, I see that. I can't I honestly can't get
that mad because I think it's the truth. But it
was an interesting quote, and you know, I don't know
that I've heard anybody say it quite so bluntly. Don't
really know what else we got, man, It was an
awesome show, covered a lot of ground, really.

Speaker 3 (01:59:55):
Good Christmas coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
Yeah, you what do you got going on for Christmas?

Speaker 3 (02:00:00):
Man? You know what I got? I got two kids,
and I've got one that's you know, one and a
half that this is really the first one where she's
gonna sort of kind of understand some of what's going on,
and we got another one that really understands Santa now.
So I'm just I'm excited to be a father going
into this week, and excited about all the football and
all that we're gonna have afterwards.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
All right, well we gotta get out of here. Well, I
thank the crew, Mary mac Ian, Steve Desager from my
partner Jason Martin im meritors. J Martin, have a merry Christmas.
Same to everybody else. We'll talk next week

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