Aaron Torres & Jason Martin Talk with Purdue Head Coach Matt Painter, Gear Up For Super Bowl LVIII, and More!

Aaron Torres and Jason Martin get excited for the big Super Bowl LVIII game between the 49ers and the Chiefs. Aaron and Jason also chat with Purdue Head Coach Matt Painter right after Purdue beat Indiana as they talk Purdue's strong season so far. Plus, the guys give more insight on the Super Bowl, make their final picks, and more!

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Speaker 3 (00:33):
What's going on, man? How you doing? Happy super Bowl? Eve?

Speaker 1 (00:36):
How are you? I'm doing alright. I'm doing alright.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Looks like ABC is getting themselves a nice little finish
tonight in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
It's been a lot of college basketball to watch.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
There's a question I have at some point to ask
you about college basketball.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Before the end of the show. I know, obviously super
Bowl was coming up. What'd you say?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
I said, I know what the question is. It's not
the lead topic the day before the Super Bowl, but.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
No, it's definitely not. We'll get We'll get to it
before the end of the program. But yeah, super Bowl
and an exciting one to me just because I could
see it going either way. And I think that you
have a lot of storylines and a lot of things
going into this game to sort of not really speculate about,
but just kind of I think it's really interesting to

(01:20):
think about what the storyline will be come Monday when
it comes to this Super Bowl in particular.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
So a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
One from the college basketball perspective, we are told that
Matt Payn, head coach of the number two rank Purdue
boiler Makers. They took care of their rival Indiana tonight.
He is expected to actually join us this hour live
from West Lafayette. So we are efforting coach Painter and
a lot to late discuss with him. But we'll start
with football, Jason, and listen, you know, I mean, I

(01:48):
know that this game has been analyzed and reanalyzed and overanalyzed,
but we are now, you know, roughly, what about let
me do some quick math here about nineteen hours from kickoff.
Shit mentioned by the way, JMRT and I will be
on air at eleven pm Eastern Time tomorrow, following Arnie
Spanier and Chris Plank, so we will have plenty to

(02:09):
react to. But listen, my kind of first take of
this game, San Francisco is still considered a slight favorite
in Vegas, about a one one and a half point favorite,
depending on what sportsbook you're looking at. Over Under said
at forty seven and a half, so Vegas is expecting
a low scoring game. When I look at this game, Jason,
I think what you said is what stands out to
me is that there are times going into games, whether

(02:31):
it's a Super Bowl, conference championship, whatever, I have strong
opinion for how how things are going to go, and
I should mention, by the way, you know, sometimes you
get those wrong. I was very convinced I thought Baltimore
was going to take care of business against against Kansas
City and the AFC Championship game. I was wrong, but
I felt confident in that pick. I bring it up
to say, when I look at this game, I really

(02:53):
do think it could go either way.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
You know, we'll make our picks in the final hour.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
But bluntly, listen, I think Kansas City is winning in
a way that they really haven't won during this era.
That's with defense, with run game, with ball control, with
clock control, and I think you have a forty nine
ers team that bluntly, I think, if you really asked
even the guys in that locker room, and we did
ask Trent Williams in this time slot three weeks ago

(03:18):
after they beat the Packers.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I don't know that they've you know, played.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Their best football for probably you know, of the last
eight quarters they've played, I would say about five of them,
they really haven't played great football. So interesting game from
that perspective. You have a team that's winning at a
really high level in a way that they really never
have and a team that I would argue to San
Francisco forty nine ers. You take out that fourth quarter
against San Francisco, the second half against Detroit. Credit to

(03:43):
them for getting here. But I still think, as weird
as it sounds, their best football in the playoffs maybe
ahead of them.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Jason, Yeah, I think that's I mean, I think that's
very possible. My top storyline, I think is about the quarterbacks,
and it's the difference in what the headline could look
like Monday. It could be a star making night for
brock Party or a legacy defining night for Patrick Mahomes.

(04:10):
I think you have the opportunity here to really set
in stone, all right, this dude might be coming for
Brady's neck. When it comes for the greatest.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Of all time.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
No, no, yeah, I probably should have specified now considered
and there were two guys in a conversation. But if
but you also have that chance when it comes to party,
you have this opportunity where if perty goes out there
and lights the world on fire, I think, I just
I would be fascinated to hear how he is spoken

(04:42):
of on Monday, the way it goes up.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
And down and will continue to I think for a
long time. But this is the kind of game that
if he shows up.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
And shows out somehow and has a solid game, doesn't
turn the football over repeatedly, makes a couple of things happen.
Maybe this sets in stone a different kind of trajectory
for his narrative going forward. I think that's that's really interesting.
And Mahomes again, Mahomes at this point is just playing
against history. He's playing against you know, being.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Regarded as the greatest to ever do it.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
He's got a ways to go, but I don't know
how many times you're gonna get Super Bowls, but you
got to cash.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Him in when you get there. And this is an
opportunity where.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
Mahomes has to know he does have the defense right now,
he has the scheme from Spagnolo.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
You mentioned the run game.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
He's got it, and he's got young receivers and he's
got his guy in Travis Kelce. So this is when
he has to feel like, I've got to cash this
one in. I blew that one against against Tampa Bay.
Never had a chance in that game against their defense.
This defense is gonna come to prove something because they
got embarrassed by their own GM after the Lions game.

(05:51):
So I'd better be on my toes. But we know
how good he is. He knows how good he is.
So there's just there's a lot riding on this game
for quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
So let's get into that because obviously, you know, it's
a team game, fifty three guys, coaching staff, whatever. But
obviously success and failure is often, you know, as the
old cliche goes, you know, the quarterback gets too much
success when you win and too much blame when you lose.
But let's jump in, and I do want to start
with brock Party because this guy remains a polarizing lightning rod.

(06:26):
You either love him or you hate him. And bluntly,
you know, I do think you know to be blunt
is that, frankly, he has given the haters some reasonable
It's weird actually, now that I talk it out, is
that you look at this guy in the playoffs this year,
the two games they've played sixty one percent completion percentage,
two touchdowns, one interception. But in the fourth quarter he's

(06:49):
been awesome and or he's been good enough to lead
two comeback wins to get victories. But if brock party
does win, let's start there.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
What is the conversation in your opinion.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
I know you can't really know, because we don't know
how the game's gonna unfold. In twenty four hours from now,
you and I are going to be in this same
time slot reacting to this exact question. But if they win,
if he gets that ring, if he is at least
in part responsible for that success, and I'm assuming we
don't get anything crazy like, you know, three picks sixes

(07:23):
or something like that, because frankly, that's not who Mahomes
has been at any point in his career, let alone
in these playoffs. If he plays a role to a
big role in the San Francisco forty nine ers winning
the Super Bowl five years, four years, excuse me, after
losing to these same Kansas City Chiefs when they did
not have him and much to the same core of
roster and coaching staff is the same.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
What do you think the conversation about brock pretty will be.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Humans are prideful and stubborn, especially those that happen.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
To work in the industry we work in.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
So I would be hesitant to say that the narrative
flips completely even if he has a great game, Like
you have to pry opinions from media people from their
cold dead hands, So they're going to find a way
to say, well, yeah, with that defense and with Christian
McCaffrey or whatever. But if he goes out there and

(08:17):
goes for let's just I don't know, two seventy five
and two touchdowns, get gets a first down or two
running the football, escaping trouble, and he doesn't make the
big mistake in the game, that's really what they need
him to do, because if you look at the way
that they are built, I expect if that stat line

(08:38):
is right, then McCaffrey's probably somewhere close to one twenty
one point thirty And then of course you add some
of some extra yardage that I'm sure he's caught the
football as well. I feel pretty confident about that Mahomes
if those are his stats. I'm not as sure if
Kansas City wins the game, because I just feel like
he usually needs to be more a focal point of

(09:00):
the offense in terms of the touchdown ratio in particular,
so I would. I don't know that it just shifts
dramatically based on one game, because those that want to
hate are going to continue to hate, because really, Rock
Perty's given you no reason to hate him. You just
don't like the fact that you didn't believe in this

(09:21):
thing and it's still going on, and so you're going
to continue to poke holes in it. But I think
the most fascinating part of this is this they went
with Perty and got rid of Garoppolo. Garoppolo was in
the last Super Bowl, and Party is in this one.
If Party wins, nobody's going to say they made the
wrong decision. That to me is one part about this

(09:43):
is can he make the play that Jimmy g could not?
Can he make the one throw in the game that
separates a winner from a loser. In that game, it
was one throw that he could not find Emmanuel Sanders
on wide open down the field.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
If he hits that good chance, forty nine Ers win.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
Then after that, Mahomes threw a pass to Tyreek Hill,
and of course he completed that pass, and you saw
how that Super Bowl ended right there. Late in the
fourth quarter, you mentioned that Brock hasn't been great in
this postseason particularly, but he's been stellar in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
That's all that matters.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
If you get to the end of sixty minutes and
your team has more points on the scoreboard.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Than they do.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I don't know that that's going to be the case,
but if my quarterback is playing his best in the
fourth quarter in crunch time, I like my odds.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
If I'm a Niners fan, or if I'm Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Let me ask you the opposite.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
If things go really sideways, if it's twenty seven to three,
is the final score of the offense can't keep going? Like,
do you see any scenario where we come out of
that game where you and I are on air at
eleven pm Eastern time tomorrow and we just say, listen,
this was a great story.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
It was fun.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
He got you to this point, but you can't bring
him back, or or at the very least, you know,
if you can't bring him back as maybe you can
just based on everything else that you can't win with him,
that we've seen that he was so bad, and I'm
not you know, we're not rooting for it obviously, But
is there any scenario, like, if it goes really, really,
really bad, what do you expect that conversation to be about,

(11:11):
Brockberty to Wall.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Exactly what you would think it would be. I do
think that the knives will come out at that point.
It will be all right. You didn't have a quarterback
with Jimmy g. You had kind of a glorified game
manager in that game. You can get it done now
you got mister irrelevant in there. This has been great
and all, but if you want to win in this league,
then you got to have your Patrick Mahomes, your Josh

(11:33):
Allen blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
It's the same thing.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
I mean, when Dak loses, it's time to get rid
of Dak in Dallas every single time. Why would it
be different for the last pick in the draft, who's
been battling against that reality since he took over in
San Francisco. If he goes out there and has a stinker.
There's gonna be this guy. This is why he was
drafted there. It's gonna be the same story. It's gonna

(11:55):
be the same story until further notice. I don't even know.
If he goes out there has a great game, if
it shuts everybody up permanently, maybe it gives him a
couple of weeks reprieve.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
But this is gonna take time.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
This is gonna be a gradual winning over, at least
for some types.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
But yeah, if he.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Goes out there and has a bad game, you will
see a large clamor about the difference for San Francisco
is they didn't have a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
And maybe when we.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Get to the predictions, that's what it comes down to.
But Brock Party, Brock Party can right his future in
many ways if he can just go out there and
play the game of this life.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
We are efforting a very special guest here. But in
the meantime, by the way, one quick update, we do
have a final In the late NBA game, Golden State
Warriors take care of the Phoenix Suns. A late Steph
Curry three with points seven seconds left gives the Warriors
a one thirteen one to twelve victory. Say, you'll have
more details on that here in just a few moments.

(12:53):
Let's talk Patrick Mahomes for a second. I mean, first
of all, let me let me ask you a dumb question.
If he loses and it's bad, he was not good
in that Tampa Bay super Bowl that you reference, but
also the offensive line was terrible, we get it, But
is there any like, what is the what is the conversation?
If he loses and he's really bad at that point,
it would be four super Bowls two and two overall.

(13:17):
The first one bluntly against San Francisco, he really, as
you just reference, wasn't very good for about three quarters,
was much better last year, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
But he'd be two and two.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Is there any like how negative would it get considering
that we're still talking about a guy that's twenty seven
to twenty eight years old that would have just completed
his fourth super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Not very again, same point about the stubbornness and pridefulness
of human beings. He's got a whole lot built into him,
and a lot of people have spent a lot of
years building him up, talking about him being, you know,
the contemporary for a Tom Brady type.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
So if he loses, there will be the offensive line
let him down, or the defense let him down.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
Or there'll be a wide receiver for the Yeah, there'll yeah,
or there will be drops or there it'll kelsey. You know,
whatever it is, there will be an excuse. And I'm
not saying and it might be a viable excuse. I
tend to think as we go into the break, I
tend to think, oh, okay, we got okay, We're gonna
stick around. I tend to think that in general, that's

(14:28):
not gonna happen either way. I don't think he's gonna
play badly.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Tell you what, Jamart, we have about two and a
half hours left to get to all things super Bowl.
But in the meantime, you want to do a hard
pivot and talk a little college hoops. As the number
two team in the country, tonight, the Perdue boiler Makers
take care of their big rival, the Indiana Hoosiers in
West Lafayette and joining us now. The head coach of
the Purdue boiler Makers, Matt Painter, is on the phone.

(14:52):
Coach Painter, how you doing.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
I'm good, guys, thanks for having me on.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Well, we appreciate you having on. First of all, quick question, coach.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
For those of us who you know, we always hear
about the great rivalries across this sport, and everybody knows
what they are. For those of us who haven't had
a chance to experience a Purdue Indiana game, either in
Bloomington or West Lafayette, right taking take us into what
it was like in your building tonight.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah, it was pretty electric. Our fans are great, obviously.
They have great fans in Indiana also, and so it's
just one of those special games you have the bragging
rights in your state. They swept us last year, we
swept them this year. But it's pretty special. I've got
to experience it as a player and assistant coach and
the head coach. Now it's been it's been pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
So you guys, twenty two and two, rocking and rolling
inside the conference. You've got the tournament coming up. Obviously,
what is it about this team that you like best?
And you really feel like it's the strengths as you
get down to the nitty gritty.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, I like the balance of our team. Obviously. We
have an elite point guard, we have an elite center.
We have really good players across the for we have
skilled guys that go with those guys Mason Gillis, Fletcher Lawyer,
Lance Jones, just to say a few of them that
they really balance things out. Trey Kauffman Win is different
than Mason and he's more of a post up guy. So,

(16:14):
you know, we have really good pieces. Heck, we got
guys that don't play very much and don't play at
all that can play. And so like we're very fortunate.
Our assistants have done a great job evaluating recruiting here.
We try to get the right fit at Purdue, you
know both, you know, on the court and off the court.
We're not perfect, but that's what I just like our balance.

(16:34):
I like the guys on our team. They're competitive, they
want to win. We faced adversity, we've had success, and
we just kind of keep going in the direction of
just being positive and just trying to get better on
both hands.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Matt Painter, head coach Purdue boiler Makers are joining us coach,
I know you just reference that balance and that's probably
the answer to this question. But you know, college hoops
is crazy this year. It seems like every single night
top ten team is losing, especially on the road. Is
it that balance, Is it that entire group that has
allowed you guys to just consistently win night after night

(17:06):
in the sport we're outside of you and maybe the
only other team atop the rankings, Yukon seems like everybody's
vulnerable on any given night.

Speaker 5 (17:14):
Yeah, no question, everybody's vulnerable. Even though you might have
a better record than some everybody's vulnerable and anybody can
beat you on a given night. But you know, Zach
Edy is someone that you really can't prepare for unless
you've already played him, Like he can prepare for him,
but like he's such a physical presence and can it
causes so many problems for people, and so like we

(17:35):
just try to establish him and I think that's where
we have a difference with a guy like that. But
then we have a lot of experience, We have a
lot of unselfish guys that play roles, and so that
combination has really helped us kind of separate ourselves.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
So, I mean, he's seven to four, so that's the
obvious like strength advantage, but just in terms of his game,
what's the thing that you look at and say, this
is why he is so special?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
You know, his ability to rebound every night. Like he
you know, he puts up really good numbers, be able
to get deep position. Also, sometimes you'll have a good
post player and like certain people aren't.

Speaker 6 (18:13):
Gonna let them, you know, get you know to that
point of where like can you get five to eight
feet from the basket. So like you know, he can
get five to eight feet from the basket, and so
that really separates and puts people in binds. But he
runs the flower, he plays ball, screen d change of shots.
He does a little bit of everything for us. But
you know, he's a special player. And obviously he's a

(18:35):
National Player of the Year. I would think he's gonna
be a National Player of the Year again. And uh,
you know, we're very fortunate to have him coach.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
A couple of quick ones. We'll get you out of here.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Matt Panter joining us from Purdue University Purdue to care
business against Indiana this tonight. Just quick question, you know
with Mett, with Zach, he's so unbelievable. But obviously, especially
coming off that Northwestern game a few weeks ago, there
was a conversation fair or not you guys had a
decided free throw advantage. Does that bother you at all,
just just he's so good. But that became a topic

(19:06):
of conversation coming on that game.

Speaker 5 (19:08):
Well, anybody who has a top of a conversation about
that doesn't know anything about basketball. Because the team that
was playing gets fouled the most in the Big Can
in the team that we were going against fouls the
most in the Big Ten, and that has nothing to
do with our game first sample. And so when you
foul the most in the league and you get fouled
the most in the league. We had the number one

(19:28):
free throw disparity in the country last year, three hundred
and sixty one teams. So it was just poor journalism
and immediate people grabbing things that don't exist. You know,
he gets in the post comment and starts talking about
they fouled intentionally at the end and they got two technicals.
There's eight free throws, all right, So it was that
thirty eight and he was talking about there were fifty
free throws and there wasn't. There was thirty eight. But

(19:50):
he's getting fouled like that. So like, I just don't understand.
When I go back and watch the tape of Money,
I always tell our guys, I just be honest about stuff.
It was against us, but be honest about it. That's
how you learn, you know, you get better by it.
So like that to me was just it was bad
because here we have a really good win, a tough win,
and then people are writing those articles and talking about
those things. Go go make clips, Go go show me

(20:14):
clips where he's getting fouled and they're calling it and
it's not a foul like you can bring out like
one or two. And if you do that, you're like, Okay,
now you've opened up a can of worms to the
things that don't get called to them, and it's going
to be more than two. And so like to me,
like people create that narrative because they don't want to
really talk about you know, down he's that hard of

(20:36):
the cover, he's that tough to go against. So we
shot a bunch of free throws the same way at
their place, but they drove the ball in that game
and the game at our place they shot and made
a bunch of threes. Well, you're not going to go
to the free throw line if you shoot a bunch
of perimeter shots and a bunch of threes. And rightfully,
so the other element of that argument was they're they're

(20:57):
they're fouling us, and we missed them that game. So
what they're doing and following us, we were missing free throws,
so they should just stay with it. So when they
went to complain about it and saying this is a
crazy box score, it didn't make sense because part of
what they were doing was helping them. Now the other
part wasn't because we didn't make some but we didn't
shoot a very high percentage that game at all. So

(21:19):
to me, that's just a lack of basketball understanding. Because
when you go look at data and you look at
facts like the facts that I gave you like, it
speaks for itself. So when somebody goes there and they
run articles and they ESPN picked it up and ran
the article that was the headline of the article about
our game, that wasn't the game. The game was they
were falling way too much and they needed to stop

(21:41):
falling and do something schematically differently if they wanted to
stop them.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Coach, don't want to end in a negative, So just
one last positive before we let you go.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
You are too No, that wasn't a negative.

Speaker 5 (21:50):
Yeah, well we're something negative about it. But at some point,
like people who write stories and cover stuff like they do.
These things create that you could create a stir, but
you also got to look at the facts, like Liz,
look at factual information that I just gave to you, like,
that's not my opinion, those are facts, and so like that,

(22:13):
it takes away from the success that he's had, and
it takes away from the success that our team's had,
and that's not what you want. You just can't, you know,
you can't just put out a false narrative. And that's
what that was.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Well, I was just going to say, I want, I
want you to go on, you know, maybe maybe more positive,
but just how much are you enjoying this group? Second
straight year you've had the core together, you obviously had
a piece Michaelance Jones, and it just seems like it's
a group that's a lot of fun to be around.

Speaker 5 (22:38):
Yeah, there is. They're they're fabulous there, they're great guys.
It seems like it's a different guy each night, you know,
chiming in for us, making shots, making plays. But no,
this is a this is a great, very very good
group and a bunch of good guys to be around.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Matt Painter, head coach per Due Boilermakers coach. We know
it was a busy night rivalry win. We know you
got a lot on your plate. We genuinely appreciate you
making some time and sharing some insight with us.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
All Right, thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
That was Matt Painter, head coach of the Purdue Boilermakers.
Real we got to get to break Jason. Maybe we
come back and just kind of react to that really
quickly because he has so good Yeah, well listen, and
I'll say this.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
I'll be blunt.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
You know, I am one of those people that has
been somewhat not someone I've been very critical of some
of the refereeing in their games. And I have no
idea if he knows who I am. But it was
clear that, you know, he has heard a lot about that,
and it is clear that he was not happy about it.
So come back, maybe talk a little Purdue basketball, and
we will get back to the Super Bowl, of course,
which is now less than twenty four hours away.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
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what Matt Painter had to say before we do, though,

(25:02):
let's get over the news desk first time this evening.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Steve de Seger, what is trending? My friend?

Speaker 9 (25:09):
We had an NBA game that was the feature matchup
at Golden State and the Warriors were down in the
final seconds against Phoenix. Golden State inbounded to guess who
out's pass.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Over to Curry, steps and fires at three.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
It's up a good he had point seven ago Curley.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Nothing but neck.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
And it winds up one thirteen, one to twelve. Golden
State over Phoenix. Curry with not only that late three pointer,
but thirty points in the game. The call from ninety
five point seven the game Warriors Radio Network. The late
contest is mid third quarter at Portland. It's only fifty
nine to fifty Pelicans leading on the road. As for
some of the earlier games, Cleveland won its ninth in

(25:50):
a row Orlando with an overtime win. Charlotte ended a
ten game losing streak beating Memphis one fifteen one oh six.
Grizzlies have lost state in a row. Spurs lost their
seventh straight, Washington lost at sixth in a row. Dallas
pounded Oklahoma City today one forty six to one eleven.
Luka Donzich thirty two points in thirty one minutes. NHL

(26:11):
overtime wins for Carolina and Detroit the late games in
LA second period lead for the Kings two nothing over
the Edmonton Oilers. In college hoops, we know for certain
that Arnie Spanier is not on the air tonight because
the eighth ranked Arizona Wildcats are dominating at Colorado sixty
seven forty eight with twelve and a half minutes left

(26:33):
in that one. Texas A and M, speaking of domination,
took care of six ranked Tennessee tonight eighty five to
sixty nine. Michigan State upset number ten Illinois Rutgers all
over number eleven Wisconsin. Florida beat twelfth ranked Auburn eighty
one sixty five. Auburn has lost fifteen times in a
row at Florida over the last twenty eight years. Gonzaga,

(26:56):
we talked about Zag's last weekend here on this show.
They be in the NCAA Tournament. They needed a win
like today, which certainly could have gotten away from them.
At Kentucky, Zags were up by twelve early second half.
They do hold on for a victory eighty nine eighty
five at seventeenth rank Kentucky. The Wildcats have actually lost
three straight and home. That is a first for the

(27:18):
program at Ruperta, which opened in nineteen seventy six. UNLV
won at twenty fifth rank New Mexico eighty to seventy seven.
The Super Bowl is tomorrow in Vegas, Kansas City against
San Francisco. Super Bowl fifty eight kickoff at six forty
pm Eastern Time. Running Back Jerck McKinnon of Case, after
the groin injury, was activated off injured reserve. He's questionable

(27:39):
for the game after being limited in practice. He played
for San Francisco in twenty twenty. Chiefs All Pro guard
Joe Tooney will be out again this weekend with his
pectoral injury. He missed practice all week and in fact
is now on ir no injury designation anymore. For Kansas
City running back Isaiah Pacheco or for wide receiver Rashi Rice,
and they each practice for yesterday. Chiefs had about a

(28:02):
thirty minute walk through at the stadium today, then the
team photo meetings tonight at the team Hotel forty nine ers.
Perhaps you've heard we're practicing outdoors on some grassover turf
at UNLV. One hour walk through for them there and
then back to Lake Las Vegas there, Team Hotel back
to you.

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Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts,
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off air. Jason, I bring up the podcast because if
you have missed it, about fifteen minutes ago, Matt Paynter
head coach Perdue, Boilermaker's number two team in the country,
just joined us. They were off a twenty point win
over the Indiana Hoosiers. We're efforting so of the sound

(29:00):
right now, but one thing I did ask him. There
have been some games where the foul discrepancy has been
very one sided, you know, most recently the Northwestern game
about two weeks ago. They won in overtime. But if
I'm if my memory is correct, they were plus thirty
eight from the fall one, which is unheard of, forty

(29:22):
six to eight. They outshot Northwestern at the foul line.
And after the game, I know that a lot of
people were distracted with football, but it was a big
topic of conversation in college basketball. Is that team is
Zach Edy specifically, as you referenced. I think everybody knows,
even if you're not a huge college basketball fan, they're
seven foot four All American center. You know, is he

(29:45):
is he unfairly refereed and is perdue unfairly refereed following
a game where they had thirty eight more file shots
than their opponent. We don't yet have the sound. We'll
maybe play it maybe an hour three, But I'm paraphrasing.
I don't want to quote coach Painter directly and be
accused of misquoting him, but I believe he said something
to the effect of, if you believe that you don't

(30:07):
know anything about basketball, take that, yeah, take that for
data data. Yeah, David Fizdale, where's.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
He at these days? Anyway? He went through a very
very good rant.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
About you know, why that that narrative isn't fair, why
it's unfair to his team? Why it takes away from
zach EDI's brilliance. But it was clear I don't know
that I intended to kind of hit on any specific,
you know, like point that would get him that fired up.
But you could tell he had a lot to say,
what did you what did you make a coach painter?

(30:39):
Because he came out pretty strong with that question, anwer.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
I mean, I loved it because he defended this guy,
he defended his team, and he didn't do it in
a measured way like that was a very candid response,
because it was clearly something because you said does that
bother you? Like that's the way you kind of frame
the questions like does it bother you that that's been a.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Talking point, and the short answer.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
If he just wanted to go too long, don't read,
would just be yes, like very very apparently. Obviously it
bothers him tremendously. And even though Edie has you know,
one Player of the Year and likely will win it
again or certainly is going to have the best opportunity
to do so this year, he feels like that's a

(31:25):
slight and it's something that's going to be used against him.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
And clearly he doesn't agree, and he had a look.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
The best part about what he said was it wasn't
all emotional because he was bringing in facts, like he
definitely made a good argument because of how you said
it right before the break, what is your opinion on
the topic. You asked the question, but you also kind
of intimated that you might have been a bit critical

(31:54):
of the of the free throw discrepancy yourself.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yeah, it's funny. I'll try not to boork people too much.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
But I actually he called this out in December and
I literally got killed by Purdue Twitter. And Jason, I'm
sure you've been in some of these Twitter you know,
beats or whatever. Yes, and I mean I literally, and
I'm not trying to make myself sound important. I have
no idea if he knows who I am. But I
did have the Purdue sid tweeting at me. I had
other people and whatever. So I have been on this

(32:21):
for a while, and what I would say is, Jason,
I think it's a very nuanced topic. Because, by the way,
if you criticize him too much, it makes it sound
like you hate Zach Edie. I think he's an incredibly
skilled guy for seven foot four, and he does stuff
that that no one can defend, but I do think
it's tough because it's impossible to referee him, and it's

(32:45):
impossible from the perspective.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
That you know, and I think this is what coach
Paynter alluded to.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Again, I don't want to directly quote him because I
don't want to misquot him whatever, But essentially, like what
he said was a guy that big, a guy that's strong,
he's pretty much gonna be following down every play. I
think my counter to that would be, I get that,
but there have been games where you know, he finishes
a game with one to two fouls, and like as

(33:13):
the Alabama game for some perspective, if I remember correctly,
like four or five of Alabama's big guys either followed
out or finished with four foules or whatever.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
And I'm loosely quoting those stats there.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
But the point that I would make in that is,
I don't think any player is good enough to draw,
you know, to follow three, four five guys out of
a game in a physical, low post game without in
turn picking up essentially any fouls either. So again it's nuanced.
He's so much bigger, he's so much stronger. But the
one thing I will say, because people say, well, he's
so big, it's like Shack, there's nothing you can do,

(33:45):
and you know whatever, the difference was, Shaq was like
a thirty five percent file shooter and Zach Edy is
a great file shooter. Zach Edy on the season is
shooting let's see here, just make sure I have it right,
seventy one percent from the fall line. And so there's
no there's no motive to follow him. So a lot
of people said, well, I mean he's just so big.
I mean, he gets followed on every play. It's like,

(34:07):
I guess my only point was really quickly is I
don't think any player is good enough to draw twenty
five twenty to twenty five files on one end and
commit one to two on the other end. But the
other thing is, if your argument is well, I mean
it's like Shack, everybody purposely followed him, It's like, no,
that can't be your argument because he's a seventy one
percent file shooter. So I don't know if that answer
your question at all, Jason, but that was kind of

(34:28):
my takeaway when I said what I said over the
last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
I mean I have always heard and it's not really
the shack I mean the shack argument you would make
if he was a bad re throwt shooter, like you said.
But there has always, I mean, there's been that, Like
I've heard that talking point about Lebron, that Lebron is
played so physically that he is destroyed on every play,
his body is ravaged, and that half the stuff doesn't
get called. Now, you can say that's true, you can

(34:56):
say that's false, you can say that's whatever. But I
do think that guys like that are incredibly hard to officiate.
They're hard to defend, but they're really really hard to
officiate because how much is too much? What do you
let go? Do you have different standards in that scenario?
And how much can we pick up in real time?
And how much do we have to see on a

(35:17):
very slow motion replay? And how much are these guys
seeing and overreacting to or underreacting to. And then because
he's so big, are they giving him a little bit
of the benefit of the doubt, not because it's a superstar,
but because it's kind of hard for him not to
make some kind of contact.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I don't know, I don't know if I'm making any.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Sound under, but I just think he's really difficult to
like anybody with eyeballs that's officiating.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
I still think that is a big time challenge.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Well, and the last thing we really got to get
to break. But what I would just say, which I
think makes it an extra big challenge, is that you know,
college different refs, different leagues, different this, different that.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
And what I've seen.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
With him is that some refs come in and say, basically,
it's like any other game. Once you start calling it
tight early in the game, you kind of got to
stick with it. And if you do that, there's literally
a fall on both ends every single play. And so again,
it really stinks because if you criticize the officiating or
you question the officiating, sounds like you're criticizing the player.

(36:17):
That's unfair. Fox Sports Radio ertors Jason Martin, broadcasting live
from the Tireck dot com studios. We just had Matt Paynter,
head coach Purdue. 'll wrap our conversation on Matt Painter,
get back to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2 (36:43):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Eric Tords, Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the Tirec dot Com studios, closing in
on our one Jason Busy Hour. I'm still a little
like still you know, it's just funny. You just never
know what you're gonna get. And I don't mean to
be like college basketball nerd guy. For people who don't

(37:04):
know much about me or my background, college basketball is
probably the sport you know, I've covered the most. I
know the most Matt Painter we had on in hour one.
We'll try to get you the podcast and some sound
because he had a lot of interesting things to say.
By the way, Jason, we'll get back to super Bowl
next hour. I'm guessing I know what the question that
is college basketball related was that you wanted to ask me,

(37:26):
But but you know, we got a short segment here
if you want to If you want to ask, now
is probably maybe the right time to do it.

Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Well, I mean I.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
Felt like this was sort of true last year, but
it just seems even more so this time. And I
mean it's the same thing that you've talked to Painter
about I mean, I think it's the thing everybody sooking.
It's just like, what's going on here with everybody that's
ranked in the top ten. Every given night, it just
seems like somebody is dropping. Today it was Tennessee, but
we've seen everybody pretty much do it. Yeah, Perdue, It's

(37:55):
they're on like a nine ten game win streak. Yukon's
playing really really well, but everybody can get beat. And
I don't know what that is, Like, I don't know
why that is. And I didn't know if you had
kind of figured it out, why the parody seems so
much greater now in college basketball than we've seen in
recent memories.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
So I do.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
I actually went on with Bernie the other night. We
talked a lot about this.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
I think this is the first year where you're really
seeing the portal and NIL essentially just completely flatten the
playing field because nobody wants to sit, nobody wants to wait,
Guys are going up levels, down levels, whatever. And this
is the first year, like this is the first off
season into a season where we kind of had nil
figured out. If you remember summer of twenty twenty one,

(38:40):
it's just like we just have nil, just one day
we don't have it, then the next day we do.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Nobody knows what the heck to make of it.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
The year after, some people kind of had their collective
set up, some people didn't. Nobody really knows what to
make of it.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Last off season everybody went in like, hey, if we
want to compete for players, we got to have this
much money put aside. This is what the quote unquote
going rate is. No, you're not supposed to pay for play,
but we know you do. And so I just look
at these teams and when you watch these top leagues,
the Big East, the Big Twelve, the SEC, I just
don't see that much of a difference between like team

(39:13):
one and team.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Twelve or thirteen.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Now maybe in the Big East, you know, after Ucon's
number one, but after them team two to team nine
or ten.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Same with the Big Twelve.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
So to answer your question, I think that's what it is,
is just nil. Everybody can get players. Now, it's not
about recruiting. It's just about do you have the bag?
And I think more than anything, that's probably what it is.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Okay, Well, I mean that's fair.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
I mean, do you think because you have to worry
about so many less guys, it's easier to get one
or two on most teams as opposed to college football,
where it's harder because you have to recruit so much
more just in terms of sheer quantity, and as such,
the depth can still be a problem for some of
these big name schools.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
So yeah, I think it's two things. One, depth is
such a bigger factor in college football. But in college
basketball you only need two dudes, you know, like right,
and you can kind of fill out around them.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
And so yeah, I mean I think that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
Is.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
It's just this is the year we've seen the flattening
of the playing field. As a matter of fact, I
have a stat right here, and we'll come back and
we'll talk about this. We'll get back to super Bowl talk.
But the stat is, Jason, how about this. As of
this moment, top ten teams are thirty one and thirty
three this season when playing on the road against unranked opponents,

(40:30):
So unranked teams basically going on the road.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Fox Sports Radio, We're going on the road.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Yeah, So anyway, yeah, fuck.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Was that dude?

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recapping recapping the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Baby, It's gonna be so much fun.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
This will be the first time I've done the post
super Bowl show for Fox, and I am looking extremely
forward to it because we're all gonna have watched it
and we're gonna have nine thousand takes on everything that
we have just seen, and we're gonna have first dips
of reaction.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I am geeked for that one.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
The same with me, And you know, I've said this
so many times, Jason.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I know people are probably sick of me saying it,
and maybe you even of hearing it, but you know,
I think we're so blessed to be in this timeslot.
I know that, you know, working saturdays. You know we
were away from our families. By the way, I should mention,
I haven't even told you we're pat but I'm actually
off next week. We got a family commitment, but neither
here nor there. No, it's not the post super Bowl.

(42:10):
Torres has just taken a weekend. Okay, my little sisters,
you know, seven a baby, seven little baby showers, So
we're gonna be spending.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
Time that's more important than the show.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Well, thank you, I think so too. I made sure
to tell our boss specifically. I was like, look, this
ain't just about you know, it's not just the weekend
after the super Bowl, and Tours is kicking his feet
up thinking that the job is done.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Nothing like that.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
But I love working this shift, man, because no matter
what it is, whether it's major college football, whether it's
NFL playoff games. We were on air obviously right after
that forty nine Ers Packers game a few weeks ago,
NBA playoffs. I don't even remember all the details, but
I remember us being on right after a wild Celtics
heat game last year in the playoffs. I mean, it's

(42:52):
such a fun shift, and you're exactly right.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Is that.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
You know, we're lucky to work with a ton of
guys and girls on this network, and everyone's gonna have
great opinions on Monday and Tuesday and Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Ben Maller following us. But to essentially be the first ones.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
I mean, obviously Arnie and Plank will be reacting as
the game goes final, but we're gonna be the first
ones that kind of have an hour, take a deep breath.
What do we think? What happened? What didn't happen. It's
gonna be fun. It's going to be a ton of fun.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Jason, Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
I mean, obviously, the super Bowl involves even more than
just the game itself. Who knows what else there's going
to be to talk about there comes from tomorrow as well.
But man, that's about time to really start breaking down
this game and get down to business.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
I was gonna ask, where do you want to start?
I mean we obviously I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, well, we talked our one about a lot about
brock Party, but mahomes as well, the impact that this
could have on their legacies. Let me ask you this,
I don't know that I've heard like a ton of this,
But I have heard this, and I don't know that
I fully get it. But Andy Reid sixty five five
years old, he'll be sixty six in March. I have

(44:03):
heard the conversation. I mean one, First of all, I'll
ask you this, Andy Reid, if he wins this, obviously
he'll be his third Super Bowl? What his fifth appearance? Overall,
I don't do like I'm not big on like rankings
and this and that, but I've heard our buddy Colin
Cowhard reference this quite a bit. Is that the front
end of Andy Reid's career, every rule was defensive oriented.

(44:27):
You know, you could receivers run over the middle, you
could try to take their heads off literally, And since
the rules have changed, this guy has gone to another level.
And I just bring it up because I don't want
to do the whole like, where does he rank if
he wins another Super Bowl? But as the rules have changed,
and once he got listened, Donald McNabb was very good,
he was never great. But Andy Reid, I mean, he

(44:47):
wins this one, he wins a third one. There aren't
very many guys that have won a third. And I'll
take it even a step further. Jason I've heard a
lot about, you know, the idea of he's sixty six
years old, could he potentially retire?

Speaker 3 (45:01):
I just don't get it.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I mean, I I you know, unless his health isn't good,
which I there's no reason to think that it isn't.
This is a guy that you know, toiled away for
many years with with Alex Smith and Donovan McNabb and whoever.
And it's just like guy's an offensive savant and he

(45:22):
has his muse in Patrick Mahomes. I just can't imagine
win or lose, why he would possibly want to step away.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Especially because I think they got a nice little runway here.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
You win this one this year, Jason, after a season
in which we all and I include myself, left that
team for dead, especially that Christmas Day game Las Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Anyways, I'm rambling the point I'm trying to make. He
was this one. That's three.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
I don't think the runway is anywhere close.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
To being done. I don't see the reason why he
should or would step away if they win this one.

Speaker 1 (45:53):
Jason, Well, I mean, the only.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Reason that he steps away is for reasons we can't know,
and that would be and well, you mentioned health. But
I didn't even think of that. I just thought, is
it possible he's tired? Is it possible, yes, I mean
it could be. Is he not having fun anymore? I
tend to doubt that based on all of what you
just laid out.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
I agree he's having more fun than he's ever had
to be.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Yeah, that would be my thinking. And then it's just, hey,
you know, do you want to spend time with your wife?
Do you just is it time to just wind down
and go take it to the house. And there are
some people that aren't, like, maybe he's sad enough. I
don't tend to think that way. It just doesn't feel
like to me. He wins and then rides off into

(46:37):
the sunset. He does have the opportunity, if he wins,
to leave on top, and that is it's a double
edged sword because most people can't do it. But a
lot of people, if you talk to him, they'd love
to have done it. They'd love to have the opportunity to.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Go out on their own terms.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
And there's very few John Elway stories where you go
out after a Super Bowl win. So you have the
opportunity to do that if you in the game. But
if his health is fine and he's still having fun.
They're going to continue to be a contender as long
as that guy's the quarterback, and especially with the offense
that Andy Reid has helpedcraft for him.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
So I don't see it either.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
It would just it would just have to be some
personal choice of something else that he wants to do
with this time, or just.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Having had enough for one reason or another.

Speaker 6 (47:25):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
And that's just not something we can know until he
were to walk away and tell.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Us yeah, and that's you know, again, we obviously don't know.
I think it's a good point. If there's something that
would push him out with a win, you know, it's
something that we probably frankly would.

Speaker 3 (47:39):
Not know at this point.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
But I just sit there and say, I just think
if you're an offensive genius, you know, it's it's no
different than whatever, being a basketball coach, and you know,
you wait your whole career and you get to coach
Michael Jordan or Lebron James or you know whoever, Steph Curry, whatever,
and it's like, I just I don't know.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I just I can't.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
I can't understand how you spend your whole career or
this offensive guy the rules are working against you. You
don't have the guy, you don't have the right quarterback.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Now you have a.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Once in a generation, a once in a life.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I don't even think it's it's beyond once in a generation, Jason,
because mahomes can do things that literally no one maybe in.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
The history of the sport has been able to do in.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Terms of you know, throwing, running deep ball, short passes,
arm angles. I mean, I just that's the part that
stands out to me, is like I've heard a lot
of this is like well.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
I mean, you know, I mean, it's just.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
It's like, no, he's probably, like, like we just said,
he's probably having more fun than he has ever had before.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
Let me ask you a question. I kind of think, by.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
The way, if he loses, if the Chiefs lose, does
that change your perspective on Andy Reid it all or
is it just more of a if he's healthy, if
he's happy, if his wife is supportive, there's no reason
to step away.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Wait, wait say that again. No, No, I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
I'm saying if he loses, just just the option.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
I don't think it changes anything.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
I mean, maybe you still have a little more fire
because you want to come back, but I don't think so.
I mean, his legacy is set. Everybody knows who he
is and what he's done, what he's responsible for, how
good he's been. He's validated all those NFC championship opportunities
that he had with the Eagles and making it to

(49:21):
that Super Bowl, and then you know, he finally gets
what he needs around him and the support of good ownership,
and we see what he's capable of. But no, I
don't think a win or a loss is going to
tip the scales. I mean, yeah, it might. I think
it would probably lead to him coming back more than leaving.
But I just don't think that there's much difference either way.
I just just based on how it feels, I just

(49:44):
don't sense that he is looking for a way out
right now.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Let me ask you about one of his star players,
Travis Kelce, thirty four years old. He'll be thirty five
October of twenty twenty four. I kind of feel the
same way. I mean, listen, it's not my body that's
getting beat up every single week. I'm not the guy
that's dating the pop star that's worth a billion dollars,
just believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
My wife is not worth a billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
But I only bring it up because you look at
at Kelsey and it's kind of the same thing. Listen,
we don't know his health, but if you're winning super Bowls,
you're making so much money off the field, you're you're
now one of the most recognizable guys in this sport,
maybe the most recognizable non quarterback, maybe factoring in who

(50:29):
he's dating, the most recognizable. Yeah, maybe the most recognizable
player in the sport period. I mean, I guess you
could go tour with your girlfriend and and make a
lot of money and live a good life, but especially
if you win, if you get that third I don't
really understand why Travis Kelsey would want to step away either,
but I feel like that's become a narrative you're over
these last couple weeks as well.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Yeah, I mean I don't sense that one either, And
I don't think that I know he struggled a bit
from time to time this year, but I still think
he is outstanding, and he knows who he's got at quarterback,
and he knows he's walking into Canton as soon as
he leaves, as soon as he's eligible, he's gonna be
a slam dunk Hall of Famer might be.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
The greatest tight end to ever live.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
But you say, I mean he's thirty five, he's not
forty five, and he's got Patrick Mahomes and he's got
Andy Reid. Now, if all of those guys were all
walking away, if Mahomes' contract was coming to an end,
he was going to make a move, and that was.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
All the talk.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
And there have been all this drama throughout the year.
You know, maybe we have a different discussion here. I
just don't sense it. I think that that core nucleus
of Red, Maholmes, and Kelsey are all going to be
on the field wearing the exact same colors next season.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Tell you what, Jason do want to come back? And
I want to look at it from the opposite perspective.
We talk brock perty in our one. What is at
stake on Super Bowl Sunday for Kyle Shanahan. That's next.
Aaron Torres Jason martin In on a busy Saturday night
into Sunday, right before the Super Bowl. This is Fox
Sports Radio. Welcome Backy Body, Fox Sports Radio. Eric Torres,

(52:03):
Jasmartin broadcasting live from the Tire Rack Dot com Studios.
We are continuing our conversation on the Super Bowl. For
the break, we were talking a little bit about Patrick Mahomes,
Travis Kelsey. Could Travis Kelsey retire, Could Andy Reid retire?

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Jason What's wait a second here, here you go.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
What's more likely Travis Kelsey retires after a win or
proposes to Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
He was asked this week and he said, I'm only
focused on one ring right now.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
So, yeah, do you say which one?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I think he implied it was. I know, I know
it was the one that fifty two of his other
friends gets. So yeah, huh.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
I do you want to buy into the conspiracy theory
of this whole thing being artificial and a setup, marketing deal,
all this kind of thing, And there's reason to believe that,
because there's a lot of Taylor Swift and maybe all
of Taylor Swift that feels very hard, official and created
and meticulously designed. But then you would think that the
fix has been in, that the Chiefs are going to

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win the Super Bowl and this whole thing has been
set up because it's the Taylor Swift thing. I've actually
seen that argument made. I think it's insane, But it
just shows kind of where we are in twenty twenty
four and.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
How people think.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
But I do think it is fascinating to think about
the moment and the stories and the amount.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Of like outside of the royal family.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
Yes, I don't know that you would have more magazine
covers covering one thing with maybe one or two photos
and everything else than that moment.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
If Travis Kelcey.

Speaker 4 (53:41):
Were to propose on the field to Taylor Swift, with
all the cameras and fifty million, eighty million people whatever
it is they're going to be watching the Super Bowl tomorrow,
I'm sure it'll be a record watching that moment. That
will be one of the most trafficked images and moments
it's in global history.

Speaker 3 (53:59):
That's a great question.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
Would there be considering the amount of eyeballs that are
already on a Super Bowl one hundred plus million, most tears, considering.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
How many more will be on even.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
If it's four, five, six, eight ten million, which is
a small number relative to most Super Bowls because of
Taylor Swift's boyfriend playing like, would that be the most like?
I think you could argue you'd be maybe the most
iconics not the right word.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
I'm telling you, it would be one of the it
would be one of the most memorable, retweeted, famous photos, whatever.
It's a great point of all time, like in American history.
Like legitimately, I know that some people are rolling their
eyes right down now, but tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Now you can't.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
And it's crazy because you think about like the world
that we live in, right, and you talk about like
the fracture of the media. How you know, nobody watches
the same TV shows and you can can't get anyone
to a live TV at the same time. It's like
if that happened at the same time, like, how many

(55:08):
people would be Like that'd be something that you know,
again just one of probably I think you could argue
the single what's the right word, not most viewed, but
the single most experienced pop culture moment of all time, Like.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
It would be on it would be in terms of
the super Bowl. It would, you know, knock Janet Jackson
off the list. It would knock all those things off
the list. But again, like that's why I mentioned the
Royal Family because to me, the Royal Family is pop
culture because this point, it's basically figurehead and it's kind
of about the pageantry and everything goes around it.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
It's not really ruling the country or anything like that anymore.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
But when you have a royal wedding, I mean, my
wife got up at like five a m. Got with
her friends and watched that and all that kind of stuff.
So I said, outside of the royal family, and maybe
even include the royal family, I can't think of anything
that would make that kind of impact and be talked
about that much.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Ever.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Like it's just it would be staggering from a pop
culture standpoint, what that would look like Sunday night, Monday morning,
it would be insanity.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Real quick.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I believe the most viewed event outside of a super
Bowl was the series finale of Mash. Well, yeah, one
hundred and five million people watched according to Wikipedia, which
is that's just an insane number. That was in nineteen
eighty three, yep, or maybe.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
It was Dallas. Was it Dallas?

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Dallas?

Speaker 4 (56:43):
I mean that was big too, but Mash is always
the most famous finale. Everybody pretty much that had a
television apparently tuned into that. And this was a time
that you know, they had the advantage though. You got
to think, where you only had three four television, what's
what I mean, so everybody watched Mash, and everybody watched

(57:04):
that finish, Whereas even by the time Cheers, Seinfeld, Fraser, friends,
whatever the show is that you loved came to a close,
there was cable, there was sports on that night, There
was all sorts of other things that you could be watching.
That makes it very hard to dethrone something like Mash.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
The Who Shot Jr?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Episodehead it was a big eighty three million viewers, which
was more than the number of people who voted in
that year's election, according to again that the trusted Wikipedia. No,
it's an interesting conversation that I wasn't prepared for. But
and I don't want to keep just rehashing the same thing.
But I'm trying to think of what could have been

(57:44):
more viral and just the amount of it, Like you said, like,
here's the question outside because you know, like like you know,
you have these shows, Good Morning America, whatever, all these
morning shows, and they always talk about the halftime performance
and the commercials. Would they talk about anything other than
the engagement if it were to happen, No, right.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
I mean, Usher's performance is not likely to generate much
like talk unless there's something special coming from I know
he's got an album or whatever, but it's not there's
not something that's going to be It's probably gonna be
a great performance, but it's not gonna be anything particularly newsworthy.
The commercials are always discussed, and apparently they're all full
of celebrities, more so than ever before this year, So

(58:25):
prepare for that, America. But yeah, if that happens, that's
all it's gonna be talked about. In fact, if that happens,
the game is going to take back.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
See that's what I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Like our FS one shows would obviously focus on the game,
but I think even that would be whatever. By the way,
what is your answer to that question? Andy Reid retiring
or Travis Kelcey leaving the field and engage man tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Between the two, I think the more likely one is
the engagement Me too, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
I like there is a piece of me that those
they know and their publicists know, and everybody surrounding them
knows that they have the opportunity to do something massively
historic in the pop culture landscape that will never be forgotten,
that will be written about that, Movies will be done, documentaries,
all this stuff Is that a moment that you can

(59:19):
give up? I don't know, but I definitely think that
the more likely of the two is that than Andy
Reid retiring.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Okay, can I take a dark twist off of this
same conversation?

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Depends on how dark you want to go, but let's
we'll wade into that water.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Do you think, because I have been thinking about this
and I'm not being sarcastic about a very serious topic,
do you think Patrick Mahomes's dad is it?

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
The only reason I asked Jason, I don't want to
make light of this, but if you remember the year
that Kansas City lost in the Super Bowl Tampa Bay,
they had a legal issue with Andy Reid's son right
before the game. Yeah, and at the time nobody thought
about it, but it was clearly some degree of a distraction.
And I know this is like a dark turn that

(01:00:10):
you obviously weren't prepared for. But I have been thinking
about it. Is Mahomes is saying all the right things,
He seems fine. I know, you know not to you know,
make light of it, but the father, at least for now,
is out on jail. But out on bail. Excuse me,
but this is obviously something that's kind of serious. And again,
you know, I know the Mahomes family has been out
in enjoying Vegas. I've seen plenty of videos of Jackson,

(01:00:31):
and plenty of videos of Brittany, and plenty of videos
of whatever. I do just wonder if that's just like
a little bit of a something that's taken away from
the game prep. I hope it's not. Do you think
that's at all a distraction for number sixteen?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
I wonder if he gets asked that question if they lose,
sure that would be more what I would want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
It's like in the press conference after the game, would
somebody ask Patrick Mahomes if that was a distraction.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
During the week or do you leave it alone?

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
The problem here is this is serious. This is third
DWI yep, at least per the records, So and I
mean it's a significant scenario. I don't know that it's
going to be a talking point, but it again gives
another reason why Patrick Mahomes can kind of get a

(01:01:23):
pass if something goes wrong here for those that are
already in the tank and are never going to have
a bad thing to say about it. In general, I
am one of them and not in the tank. But
just I think he's already set. I know what he
is when we get to predictions. You know, his name
carries a lot of weight when we get to the predictions.
I hope it's not a storyline.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I really do.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
I hope it's not something that we even have to
ask about because it's not Patrick Mahomes that did it.
His father did it. It's unfortunate. It's not the kind
of story that you want. It's not what you want
to have to deal with the week of the super
Bowl if you're Patrick Mahomes. I hope they don't lose
because somebody will ask I would think, and the answer
is not going to be He's not going to have

(01:02:06):
the answer where he yet really bothered me. That's not
gonna happen. It's going to be a blowoff answer. And
I just, I just I hope that's not what we're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
One thing I will say about Mahomes that we will
get to Di Seger.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I give that guy so much credit because there is
a lot of noise around him, man, and it's like,
you know, you look at say Lebron James wife stays
out of the spotlight, raises the kids.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
The kids are all good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
You know, you know, Bronni's doing his thing at USC.
Obviously he had the health scare but whatever. But you know,
Steph Curry, you know, his kids is and it's like
you look at Mahomes. His brother is always doing something dumb,
his wife, you know, outspoken, and you know obviously now
he has this issue with his father. I just give

(01:02:53):
the guy so much credit. It's not a take or whatever,
but it is something I've just been thinking about. Is
he's it seems to be able to compartmentalize, you know,
the others around him that are causing chaos. So again, Jea,
I don't know if you have anything to add, but
it's it is something I've been thinking about. One the
father angle of it, but two how well he as

(01:03:13):
a young man has been able to compart my mentalize
and separate that kind of you know, really over the
course of his career.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really good point
because you don't often think about all those other things
when you watch him.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
You just watch him.

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Play football, and then you usually listen to him after
the game on the field, talking after a victory, because
that's generally what happens when Patrick Mahomes plays football. But
I do think it is to his credit that it
has not become a circus because he's kind of been
the thermostat that's kind of kept it there at seventy
when it comes to Patrick Mahomes, and so we can

(01:03:47):
focus on the athlete there, and everything's going on around
him does not seem to be able to get to him,
or if he does, we don't know it. He does
a great job at just staying neutral and moving through.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Fox Sports Radio Aeron Tors Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the tyreck dot Com studios. We'll come back, We'll pay
off the teas from twenty minutes ago about Kyle Shanahan.
What does he have at stake? On Sunday. Before we
get to it, though, news Desk disaga what is trending?

Speaker 9 (01:04:17):
There are a few pop culture moments when you talk
about like, oh, I know, you got stuff. When the
final episode of mash was an enormous thing, and that
same year, in the nineteen eighties, there was a TV
movie called The Day After about the end of the
World that was enormous and again no Twitter back then,
but that really hit the culture.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
You bringing up you're about to bring up Elvis Presley
or the Beatles.

Speaker 9 (01:04:38):
On just have the anniversary for that. What was that
seventy million or something they said, But when Muhammad Ali
won the title back against Leon Spinks, that was more
than seventy million viewers. That was on regular TV with
Howard Kosel. But as far as pop culture moments, not
just sports related moments, the when OJ Simpson was running

(01:05:02):
for the Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Great call, that's probably not I don't usually think of
pop culture and crime together, but if there's one way
to get there, it's through the juice.

Speaker 9 (01:05:11):
Because the NBA Finals were on that night back when
they got big ratings on NBC, and the local NBC
station in Los Angeles put the NBA Finals in the
corner and did the juice stuff live with the anchors talking.
You couldn't hear the basketball at all. As far as

(01:05:31):
for history, you know, Nixon resigning or the Apollo landing
on the moon or things like that. But the one
thing I thought of when you were talking about that
was the Winter Olympics in nineteen ninety four, because they
were saying at the time that was over one hundred
million viewers. I don't know what it finally fleshed out
to be, but it was a sixty four share. That is,

(01:05:53):
sixty four percent of the TVs that were turned on
were watching that one program on CBS. There had been
close to twenty Super Bowls in history that didn't get
a sixty four share, So that Winter Olympics from ninety
four has got to be on the list somewhere. As
far as the NBA Everything's Final that included a Golden
State win, edging Phoenix won thirteen one twelve. Steph Curry

(01:06:15):
a late three pointer thirty points in the game. Record
of twenty five and twenty five for the Warriors. Meanwhile,
Cleveland wins again thirty five and sixteen record for the Caves.
They led at Toronto in the second quarter fifty one
to twenty eight. Nine straight wins for the Caves. They've
won seventeen of their last eighteen games. Tonight's final one

(01:06:35):
nineteen ninety five Atlanta Beach Houston won twenty two to
one to thirteen the Hawks. Dejonte Murray returned had thirty
four points. He was out last night with a bad back.
Indiana shot sixty one percent from the floor and a
victory at New York won twenty five one to eleven,
even though Nicks all starred Jalen Brunson was back from
a springed ekle and had thirty nine points. New Orleans

(01:06:55):
took the late game at Portland ninety three eighty four.
Charlotte sent Memphis to an eighth straight loss Brooklyn since
San Antonio to a seventh straight loss. Philadelphia won at Washington.
Wizards have lost six in a row. NHL overtime wins
for Detroit and Carolina and the late games in LA.
It's the Kings late in the game up three to
nothing over Edmonton to college hoops Texas A and m

(01:07:19):
all over number six Tennessee eighty five to sixty nine.
In the top five, not only wins for number one
Connecticut at number two ranked Perdue, but number three North
Carolina won seventy five seventy two at Miami, fourth rank
Kansas over Baylor sixty four to sixty one, and fifth
ranked Houston was down seven points at Cincinnati early in
the second half but beat the Bearcat sixty seven sixty two.

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Michigan State upset number ten Illinois Rutgers over eleventh ranked Wisconsin.
Florida beat number twelve Auburn. In fact, the Gators led
in the first half twenty six to nine. Gonzaga a
winner at number seventeen Kentucky. SEC Network said, Kentucky is
the first team in that conference since nine ninety three
to will allow eighty five points for more or more

(01:08:03):
in four straight home games. And yeah, they've lost three
straight at home, a first for the program since repp
Arena opened in nineteen seventy six. UNLV won at number
twenty five right New Mexico, eighty to seventy seven. Obviously,
a lot of Super Bowl stuff coming up in about
ten minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yes, Disega will be back in just a few minutes
with his extended update. Fox Sports Radio air towards Jason Martin,
broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios. By the way, Jason,
when you said to open the show there was a
college basketball question you had, I thought it was going
to be Caliperi in Kentucky because.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Oh, that's I mean, that's definitely that's the other talking
point right now, no question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, every fall, every single it feels like, really since COVID,
every couple weeks we get a new worst you know,
worst of X since X stat with Kentucky in the
most recent one, as Disaga just told you, first time
in a UP arena history, Kentucky, he has lost three
straight games, so we.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Will you know, we'll be monitoring that one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Jayson really quickly. I mentioned a few a few times,
Kyle Shanahan. First of me, let me even ask you this.
Forty nine ers, okay, So George Kittle's thirty going on
thirty one. Trent Williams is obviously mid to late thirties.
Christian McCaffrey twenty seven going on twenty eight, which we
know is pretty old for a quarterback, even more so

(01:09:26):
for a running for a running back. Yeah, I don't
know if I say quarterback on my brains fried But
of course he's deal.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
With injuries too, so his body is you know, he's
taking a beating.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Do you think that with this core, this is the
last best chance?

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
And I would add to this NFC is a little
bit down, but but Philly has reworked their coaching staff.
Green Bay came on like Gangbusters. Dallas has plenty of
talent on any given day. Detroit is young and talented.
In nearly one at Levi Stadium, just a few weeks ago.
The back the Rams are back. I mean, it's hard

(01:10:05):
to call them in, but they're getting up there. Like
it does feel like this core so many of those
guys were part of the twenty nineteen to twenty twenty
Super Bowl run four years ago. I don't know if
this is like the last dance, but I don't know
how many bites you get at the Apple with this
particular core going forward given some of the ages.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
Yeah, I mean, this is your best shot. I know
it's again against Patrick Mahomes, but I don't think a
lot of these guys are retiring, but they are going
to start to wear down more and more.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
And you're coming to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
This game with most of these guys healthy and ready
to go, And this just feels like this needs to
be the culmination of this entire process, this entire.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Build for the San Francisco forty nine.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
When it comes to Kyle Shanahan, Kyle Shanahan is talked
about relentlessly about how great he is, but then he's
have futility in the playoffs, although he's now coaching in
his second Super Bowl, and it just feels like, all right,
if you don't get it done, this year, what's it
gonna take because they are eventually gonna have to take
a step back because you can't pay everybody. And again,

(01:11:09):
there's gonna be something that you're gonna have to let
go because of age and things like that. But I
think the biggest reason why you need to get it
done now, other than you can never count even if
you think it's gonna be an easy road going forward,
it's not going to be. We've seen that historically, is
that the NFC is coming. The NFC is on a
come up. There are young conference, but they are good
in some spots, faster than we thought. And you might

(01:11:32):
be adding Caleb Williams to that mix you have, you
know there's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Be some changes.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
There's gonna be some things that are gonna make the
NFC a much tougher road, even in his own division.
So I think that's probably the biggest thing is just
this team feels fully formed.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
I picked Chiefs forty nine ers as my Super Bowl
And the biggest reason why I picked the forty nine
ers over the Eagles at the time, which seemed to
be the popular pick, is because I just felt like
there were less holes to fill and was just a
completionist mindset, where was just all right, this team's fully
formed once they got McCaffrey and they kept him healthy.
Now I buy into where they are and I feel

(01:12:09):
good about this, and that's you know, when you're there,
it's not something that lasts. That's not something in football
that you have for ten years. So you've got to
take advantage of it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Very good.

Speaker 6 (01:12:20):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Kyle Shanahan obviously own one in a Super Bowl as
a head coach, own one in the Super Bowl as
a coordinator with eight to three yep.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
I know it depends on how it all looks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
And if they lose thirty one to twenty eight and
Brock Purty throws for three hundred yards and the defense
can't get off the field, then it's a little bit different.
Defense hasn't been playing well. I do kind of feel
like there's a lot at stake for him, though. I mean, listen,
he's young. I think he's good enough where he is
going to have more opportunities in the future, and maybe

(01:12:52):
not with this particular core, but you know he's gonna
be coaching twenty five thirty years if he wants to.
I I don't think it's like, oh, I mean he's
overrated or he's a debacle or whatever. But I do
think you know, you can quite a lot of critics
if there are critics, because he's doing a lot without
elite quarterback play. But if he loses this one, there's

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obviously going to be a lot of talk come Monday
about Kyle Shiannan.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Yeah, I agree, and I mean think that. I think
the out is if the defense struggles again, then it's
going to fall on Steve Wilkes and a lot of
forty nine Ers fans that I've seen have already placed
a lot of wame on Steve Wilkes, so that's going
to be sort of the saving piece. But if you're
the head coach, it all has to come through you,
so it can't all be on your coordinators win or lose.

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It also comes down to you being able to run
that team and get the job done at the end
of it. So, yeah, Shanahan needs to cash it in
because he's talked about as if he's won several Super
Bowls and that hasn't happened yet, And I think he
knows that full well.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
And you only get so many cracks at the apple
in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
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Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Fox Sports Radio Here tors jy Smart broadcasting live from
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four hours away from the Super Bowl. We've been talking
about it all night. But to Sager Flor's yours extended update,
I know you have plenty more on what to expect tomorrow.

Speaker 9 (01:14:28):
Kickoff is six forty pm Eastern time. Las Vegas the
hosting city for Kansas City versus San Francisco Super Bowl
fifty eight tomorrow. Guys, it is indoors and more on
that in a moment. Do you know that, as much
as we're used to games eventually making their way to
New Orleans and the Super Dome, the first few Super
Bowls that were in New Orleans were outdoors because the

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Super Bowl hadn't been Superdome hadn't been built yet. So
we had three Super Bowls in New Orleans in the
early days outdoors, in January, and a couple of those
will forever go down as the coldest super Bowls ever
because you wouldn't think they'd be stupid enough to do
this again. But one of them was like forty degrees
for a super Bowl. There was a Terry Bradshaw's for

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a Super Bowl for example, it was two to zing
at halftime and temperature in the forties at two Lane Stadium,
which is what they used to use. The very first
super Bowl at the LA Coliseum famously was not a sellout.
They still had a large crowd, like sixty five thousand
or something, but if you know the configuration for years
of the Colisseum, some of the seats in the end

(01:15:31):
zone are so far away from the action. I'm glad
for the sake of the fans they did not sell those.
But no, the first super Bowl was not a sellout.
What about ticket prices? Well, according to the network carrying
it tomorrow, face value tickets for a Super Bowl for
a nosebleed seat usually cost about one thousand dollars. I
looked at the official ticket master website for tomorrow, and

(01:15:55):
I found in the entire stadium in Vegas exactly five
tickets as low as six thousand dollars on resale currently,
and that does not include the fees, which will take
it up far, far more than six thousand dollars. Here's
how much the ticket prices have gone up for the
Super Bowl. And I understand supply and demand. There's especially

(01:16:17):
in Vegas. It's one of the smaller stadiums that we're
going to get in recent years hosting a super Bowl,
but the demand is enormous.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
It's the super Bowl.

Speaker 9 (01:16:26):
But about fifteen years ago, the top price face value
for the absolute best seat was one thousand dollars. Now
it's nosebleeds face value are one thousand. If you go
back to when the Bears dominated their Super Bowl in
the mid nineteen eighties, that was Super Bowl twenty, ticket
prices were seventy five dollars to get into the super
Bowl seventy five. And this is not ancient history. This

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is in the nineteen eighties, and for most of the
thirty years, first thirty years of Super Bowl history, the
price was the same for each seat in the house.
It didn't matter what level until finally after about Super
Bowl thirty they changed that. But when the Bears won
the Super Bowl, face value seventy five bucks. Twenty years later,
face value was seven hundred bucks. So yes, things have changed,

(01:17:12):
as they have for the national anthem singer and for
the halftime shows. I mean one of the early Super Bowls,
the halftime entertainment was Carol Channing, granted a Broadway legend,
God bless her, but for crying out loud, Carol Channing,
Are you kidding? There was the year before that Anita
Bryant singing the national anthem. They for Super Bowl in LA.

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Who did the national anthem? But the bands of the
universities of Michigan and Arizona, and they were the halftime
entertainment as well. Even for a while they didn't used
to bring anybody out for the coin toss but the
referee and the players, the captains. Finally, by Super Bowl
twelve they had the legendary Red Grange out at the

(01:17:55):
center of the field helping with the coin toss. And
then the three years after that they had from the
families of Hallis, Rooney and Lombardi. So they really got
things going. But it's sunny this weekend in Las Vegas,
and the stadium tomorrow does have a roof, although that
roof did leak in September caused a brief delay in
the UNLV football opener. But it's an indoor stadium, but

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it does have a grass field. The NFL is using
grass from the same North Carolina farm that the forty
nine ers get their stadium grass from. I bring this
up because the way they do the grass field there
in Vegas for Raiders games is kind of like what
Arizona does for Cardinals games and who hosted the Super
Bowl last year. Arizona and the league grass field there

(01:18:37):
did not get good reviews. Lots of slipping a year
ago that was reportedly from overwatering outside. So even though
we've had rain in Vegas early in the week, I've
assumed that the field, which sits outside on its own,
has had time to dry. What they do is this
entire football field of grass is on an enormous tray

(01:18:57):
and it gets wheeled in on rails moved indoors over
the one hundred and twenty yard stadium floor. So they
can't in Vegas use a grass field for Raiders and
a turf field for UNLV, for example. So I'll be
looking at the field conditions. And finally, the referee tomorrow
is going to be Bill Vinovitch, who was the referee
for the forty nine Ers Chief Super Bowl four years ago.

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But he has an all new on field crew now.
This is a guy who in the early eighties was
a Division III football player at University of San Diego
where Jim Harbaugh later was coach. This guy started as
an NFL official on the field over twenty years ago,
but it looked like his career was over about two
thousand and six because Bill Vinovitch was working out on
a treadmill, felt severe back pain, thought he'd hurt himself

(01:19:43):
while working it out, went to the doctor and said, hey,
told him as a patient, your life is in danger
aortic aneurism. And he had to retire from the NFL
on field due to his heart condition, eventually open heart surgery,
and five years later got back on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
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who is in the center of it all, the belly
of the beast. You know he's gonna have a lot
of good stuff to discuss. Jason, do want to get
back to the super Bowl in just a minute, but
just five minutes on what was kind of an interesting

(01:21:15):
college football topic. We were gonna talk about it in
an hour two, but we actually spent most of our
one talking college basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
If you missed it. Matt Paynter, head coach of the
Purdue boiler Makers, joined us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
He had a lot to say, including some stuff about
how he feels about people that believe that his team
is unfairly refereed. If you missed any of that, make
sure to go back and download the podcast. But Jason,
really quick. Yesterday Friday, we had some really big and
somewhat surprising college football news. We knew that Chip Kelly

(01:21:47):
was looking to get out of UCLA, interviewed for multiple
coordinator jobs Washington Commanders, Seattle Seahawks, but with Bill O'Brien
leaving Ohio State to take the Boston College job, chip
Kelly left a sitting Power five head coaching job to
take a coordinator position at Ohio State. I have a

(01:22:09):
bunch of thoughts, but what were your reactions when you
saw that news, Jason?

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
I mean, I mean remember towards the end of the year,
he was just kind of throwing off anybody that suggested
he wouldn't be at UCLA next year, Like it just
seemed like there was smoke there and then there wasn't.
He just kind of tried to shut it down, and
then he leaves. I think it's more fascinating than he
left to go be an OC. Sure he didn't leave

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for another head coaching job. He left to be an
offensive coordinator obviously at one of the great football institutions
of all time. But you would think it's a step down,
but because it's Ohio State, and I'm just I don't
know why I would think this, But I mean, do
you want to get into that pipeline if you're Chip Kelly,

(01:22:56):
to put yourself kind of back in the mix, to
step down for a little while, to maybe step back
up into a different job. I don't know all the
background to everything that happened at UCLA, but I could
certainly say that it has not worked out the way
that he hoped it would.

Speaker 3 (01:23:10):
It didn't work out the way anybody hoped it would.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Yeah, I think the only the only real takeaway that
I have is very unique situation where it was seemed
pretty obvious that he was at the very least entering
next year on the hot seat. There were mixed reports
on if they tried to fire him after this year.
You know, you hear all sorts of things. Who knows

(01:23:34):
what the exact truth is. And I think it's a
unique situation where he has so much money he doesn't
have to stick around and wait to get fired and
collect a buyout and I don't think this, to me
is any sort of like career trajectory, you know, do
two years at Ohio State and then get another head
coaching job, although maybe that's the way it works. I

(01:23:56):
just think he's a dude. You know, he's getting up
there in age, He's made a ton of money, and
you know, I think it was the rare situation where,
first of all, like, let let's call a spade a spade,
he'll be making very good money as the offensive coordinator
at Ohio State. Yeah, which, h yeah, I was gonna say,
I know, you know that, but I mean, this isn't
taking an offensive coordinator job at you know, Kent State

(01:24:19):
or something like that. But I just think he knew
he was on the hot seat. There's reports about how
much he and the ad got along. You know, I've
heard that wasn't as bad as people make it out
to be, But only those two guys know the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
And I'm not here to speculate.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
On that same time, it was clear the fans had
certainly turned on him, and so I think if it's hey,
I can wait another year and get a four million
dollar buyout plus the salary that I have this year,
or I can just take two million to go to
Ohio State, Like I don't think it's a move that
many others would make. But he's sixty years old, he's

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made his money, he has no kids. You know, he's
got two NFL buyouts that came his way. Like money
isn't an issue. And it was still surreal though to
actually see him do it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
And I'll say, I'll say this one other thing, just
because it came to mind, you know what's not gonna
be fun next year being UCLA in the Big Ten?

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
Like that just got real hard, real fast. Like the
PAC TWELV was a great.

Speaker 4 (01:25:22):
League this past season, but now you're gonna add into that,
we know some of the schools in the Big Ten
that you're gonna add into that. Your offense is going
to be facing annoying IOWA defenses and things like that.
Like if you were gonna jump off that ship now
because you just realize, all right, this is not I'm
not gonna be able to win the other way I
thought I was gonna be able to The support's not good.

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Finances are in the toilet, not getting along with this
person of that person, whatever it might be. This is
the time to get out from underneath it before it
really goes south when everything gets harder next year, let
me just go to the top of that conference as
opposed to being a bottom feeder, so that I'm not
here when this thing becomes the next Nebraska.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
And that's a great point too, is that it only
gets harder the resource. You know, listen, a great school.
I think that with the right person the money, that
money could probably be raised. But this is the new
and that's the other thing too, And I think it
is important to note there probably is not a worse

(01:26:29):
person to be your head coach in the modern era
than Chip Kelly, not because he's not a good football coach,
but being a head coach in major college football right now,
it's about being It's about football share a little bit,
but it's about kind of pandering to eighteen nineteen twenty
year old kids, recruiting, but then re recruiting your entire
roster and convincing a bunch of kids that are gonna

(01:26:50):
leave that they should stay. And it is about raising
money because this is a pay for play world now,
and so I think that every time something like this happens,
you know, everyone tries to make it like the big
you know, this is this and this is the downfall
of that. And like when Jeff Hafley, the Boston College coach,
left for an NFL defensive coordinator job last week, it

(01:27:12):
was like, oh, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:27:12):
This is proof nobody wants to coach college football anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
I'm like, well, I mean he was coaching the worst
job probably in Power five was twenty two and twenty
six as a head coach, is probably getting fired next
year anyway. So he goes same you know, probably same salary,
probably two three years runway with the Green Bay Packers,
and if he does well, who knows, maybe gets an
NFL head coaching job.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
And so I think that was overblown of.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
Like, oh, it means this, and it's like, I don't
think it really means anything other than that. Frankly, the
Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator job is probably better than
the Boston College head coaching job. And so I think
it's the same with Chip Kelly. Is I think people
want to make it into something. Is it an indictment
on modern college football? Is it an indictment on UCLA?
Is it an indictment on Chip Kelly? I just think

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it was kind of a perfect storm of like I said,
a coach that probably isn't really equipped to be a
coach in monorn College football on the hot seat. Reports
are he didn't get along with the administration, the fans
had turned on him. Can go to a place where
you can make really good money as a coordinator. A
lot of the off the field stuff is off your shoulders.
It is worth noting by the way he and Ryan

(01:28:16):
Day are really close. Ryan Day worked for him in
San Francisco. I just think it's one of those things
where again I think people want to make it an
indictment on what does this mean about Chip Kelly?

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
What does it mean about UCLA?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
It means a lot, But it also doesn't mean as
much as probably a lot of people make it out
to be.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
You know, yeah, No, I think that all makes sense.
I don't know what I really have to add to it.
I think that what you're I mean, that case is logical.
And when you look at everything with the landscape and
where chip Kelly finds himself at now, I mean, does
he really even want to be a head coach at
this point? If he can make some good money, be
around some friends and look, it could reopen some opportunities.
It might like the fire back under him in the

(01:28:53):
right way to be in a change of scenery and
do what he does best, which is running offense. And
you know the other thing is that's a good step
from going for Bill O'Brien to Chip Kelly. As far
as I'm concerned, Oh, you can't get to give me
one shot. I had to get the shot in because
it is a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Well, I will say really quick, we don't need to
nerd out on college football here the day before the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:29:16):
We'll get back to it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
But I will say, like I've had a lot of
I've listened to a lot of smart football people because
Chip Kelly, like we think about his offenses, but it's
a run based offensive dating back to the Oregon stuff,
and like the tools and the pieces that he will
have access to. I'm not enough of a scheme nerd

(01:29:37):
to know what he's capable of doing. But they basically
bring back, outside of Marvin Harrison, basically the entire offensive
skill position group. They add quinn Sewn Jenkins, the running
back from Old Miss who rushed for twenty five hundred
yards over the last two years. So, by the way,
maybe this is just the role that he has meant

(01:29:57):
to have. Maybe it's just not meant to be a
head coach, but it could be exciting.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Maybe not anymore. I mean, certainly he was for a time.
Totally fair, totally fair. So all right.

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Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
We are now seventeen hours or so away from kicking
off between the forty nine Ers and the Kansaity Chiefs,
second time in four years that we have this matchup.
Jason let's start with the San Francisco forty nine ers,
because I think there is one thing that is crucial
to them winning this game. But before I get to it,

(01:31:15):
what do you believe is the singular or could be
more than one X factor to San Francisco winning this game?

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Chris Jones?

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
Honestly, I think that if they can you're talking about
San Francisco winning the game. I think it is can
they get to Patrick Mahomes, period, point blank? That is
how Tampa Bay beat them, And that, to me is
the is the blueprint to beat this guy, especially at
this point.

Speaker 1 (01:31:42):
So I look at Jones and I mean, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:31:44):
Obviously the other guys, if he's able to get the
ball off, can you get him to get the ball
out of his hands a little faster than he wants to,
and can you maybe take advantage of an errant thrower
where he's trying to do too much?

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
That's really that's that's it. To me, that's your X factor.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Can talk about the offense, So we could talk about
the obvious things all day long, But to me, if
you can't get to Patrick Mahomes, you flat out cannot
beat You can't beat the guy. And so I think
that it's I think that if you can actually do
something I said Chris Jones, I should have said for
San Francisco, size just getting to Patrick Mahomes, period. But
the X factor to me in the game is Chris

(01:32:20):
Jones because he can play the Aaron Donald role in
reverse here. And if he can force brock Party into
some bad throws, which we know he's capable of, because
he can get into that gunslinger mentality, this thing could
get fairly ugly. But for San Francisco, it is flat
out getting to Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
So I actually, I actually disagree. I think it's the
exact opposite. Mahomes hasn't been the reason they're in these games.
Isn't the reason they're here. I mean, he is a reason,
but I think it's because of that Kansas City defense.
Zero points allowed against Miami in the second half, zero
points allowed against Baltimore in the second half, an early

(01:33:00):
touchdown against Kansas City, but outside of that, or against Buffalo,
excuse me, outside of that, no touch no points allowed.
And so when I look at what the Chiefs have
done in the second half defensively, and when I look
at what San Francisco has done, offensively in the first half,
which not sure. If you remember the NFC Championship game, Jason,

(01:33:22):
it was not very good, nor was it against the
Green Bay Packers. To me, the X factor for San
Francisco winning this game. Everybody want to talk about Rockberdy,
this and that and whatever. I think they got to score,
and they got to move the ball on Kansas City,
and they got to put up points early. Because with

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the way that Kansas City's defense has played this entire postseason,
I don't think you can expect to fall down twenty
four to two seven or whatever the number is double
figures in the first half and rally to win one
because you got an all time on the other side
of the football, and when he needs to score points,

(01:34:04):
if he needs to put up points, he's obviously more
than capable of it. But I think more than that,
that defense has been so lights out. You're not scoring
what they score twenty four points in the second half,
even more twenty I think twenty four points in the
second half against against Detroit. You're not doing that against
the against this Kansas City defense, not with the way

(01:34:26):
they're playing. And so to me, the X factor for
the San Francisco forty nine ers. I think you have
to score and score early, because if you think this
is gonna be one of these games you can just
come back from a double digit second half deficit.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
I just don't see that, Jason, I just don't see Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:34:42):
I mean I agree with that point. I mean, certainly
you're gonna have to score, but if you can't get
to Mahomes, I don't I don't think you can outscore
what he does in these kind of scenarios. He was
outplayed last year technically against Jalen Hurts, but Hurts made
one mistake, Mahomes made none, and the Chiefs won the
Super Bowl. I think it comes down to I don't

(01:35:04):
think it's as simple as which quarterback makes fewer mistakes
in this situation. I think it is it is really
about making sure Patrick Mahomes is as uncomfortable as possible.
And really the reason why I just cannot get watching
that blowout against Tampa Bay out of my head, watching
that game and watching the way they made him run

(01:35:26):
nearly three hundred yards east to west in that game.
Just it was a brutalization. And they retooled the offensive
line afterwards, but the offensive line this year has not
been quite as dominant as it's been over the last
couple of seasons for Kansas City. And you look at
what happened with San Francisco's defense in this postseason and

(01:35:47):
even John Lynch kind of calling him out and saying
it's been addressed. The effort issue has been addressed. Me
and Steve Wilkes both we've adjusted with the team. This
will not happen again. So basically he admitted, yeah, there
was a problem here. We needed to address this problem.
If they come out there with fire to show something
and Nick Bosa is able to get there, if some

(01:36:09):
of these guys are able to cause problems and Mahomes
has to throw the ball off schedule half second before
he wants to off and maybe late off that throwing platform,
then you got Fred Warner stepping in front of a
pass here and there that you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Know, that becomes the moment they've got.

Speaker 4 (01:36:25):
They have got to get to Patrick Mahomes, Like, I
just don't see a universe where they're just going to
tear into Kansas City offensively. But if you go back
and you look at the AFC Championship Game, uh with
Kansas City and Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
You your point stands. I think both these things are true.

Speaker 4 (01:36:44):
But when you really look at that game, Baltimore couldn't
take advantage of what their defense was able to do
in the second half in terms of at least limiting points,
limiting possessions and things like that. But early in the
game you saw that as well. So I mean I
think that I think that San Francisco definitely can't fall
behind the way they have fallen behind some of these
other games, because Kantasy is not going to let you

(01:37:06):
back into it that way. But I think the defense
just making Patrick mahomes life an utter disaster, just making
it a nightmare scenario for him.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
I think that's their pathway to victory.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
I know you're not a former coach or a former player,
not a scheme expert that I know of. Have you
got any explanation as to what has happened with this defense,
because like you said, you know, I know John Lynch
has publicly talked about it, but they have just come
out so flat at a time of the year that
you shouldn't be like, these are the biggest games of
the year. You should be locked in, you should be focused.

(01:37:38):
But twenty four points in the first half to the
Detroit Lions struggled against the Green Bay Packers. Have we
gotten any explanation as to why this team has struggled
the way that they have over the last couple weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Not really, I mean you have, I've seen.

Speaker 4 (01:37:53):
I didn't realize just how negative their own fan base is.
But going to some of the gamers aults, like at
the Athletic or something, and going to the comments section
and just kind of looking at what Niners fans are
saying about their own team. A lot of them are
like Nick Bose is overpaid, Fred Warner's washed.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
All of this kind of stuff is out there.

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
It was a lot more toxic than I was expecting,
quite frankly, and many people wanting Steve Wilks fired all
through the playoffs before the playoffs, take to play calling
away from him, going to this game, all that kind
of stuff. So there's there are seventeen thousand reasons, according
to their own fans, as.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
To what's going wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
But I still look at that field and see a
lot of talent on it and a lot of guys
that I would not want to match up with if
I was an offense, and I just the fact that
they addressed an effort situation is odd, and even more
so that they admitted to it and when they were
asked a question didn't shy away from it or give

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a coach speak answer, said no, yep, we addressed it.
How do you not have effort in the NFC Championship game?
I mean, you came out, you won the game after that,
and then you had to address an effort issue with who,
Like I didn't go back and watch the tape to
see who wasn't legging it out or whatever like that,
But that was definitely a red flag. But it also

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that's the worst thing I'd want to hear if I
was a Chiefs fan, because you can better believe that
they are not going to do that again, simply because
from a business perspective, it's not a smart decision when
your general manager and your defensive coordinator, everybody's coming to
you and saying, hey, you need to play harder. So
it seems like just to make a statement and make

(01:39:34):
sure that that noise is quieted down, you may come
out to show what you're actually capable of, and that
is that's a dangerous proposition for anybody facing that defense.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
The other thing I would say in terms of keys
for San Francisco, and this is super obvious and if
there was an easy explanation for it, it would have
been addressed. In the AFC Championship game, I could not believe,
and I know I'm not the only one you know
this is obvious. But like the ability to continually get
Travis Kelcey open against the Baltimore Ravens when you know

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he's their only threat, Caadarius Toni is not even playing.
The other wide receivers are playing. Well, that's like another
thing is stopping Travis Kelsey. I think the other thing,
too is if you do fall behind. This goes to
both the NFC and the AFC Championship Game. In the
AFC Championship game, it was so obvious that the Baltimore

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Ravens got scared and just completely went off script right away.
I mean, I think the stat was six total rushing
attempts for their true running backs, basically rushing attempts that
aren't Lamar Jackson. But then I think it's the opposite
was also true in the NFC Championship game, which was
that you know, I do give San Francisco credit of
they were down twenty four to seven, and they stayed

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true to who they were. They stayed true to running
the football. Now, they obviously had some things fall their
way in terms of Jamiir Gibbs fumble and the other
things that happened, But I think that's another factor to
me as well, Jason is like, you know, if you're
San Francisco, you can't get off script. You can't turn
into somebody else that you're not if you do fall behind.

(01:41:12):
Because that was I thought the single bit, and we
talked about this last We've been single biggest mistake Baltimore
made was like, what are you guys doing? Like, why
are you trying to turn Lamar into whoever? You know,
this isn't Texas Tech football. You don't have to throw
the ball sixty times a game, And that's what they did.
And I just don't think San Francisco can panic if

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they do fall down.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
Yeah, I mean, whatever got you there, you got to
keep doing that. It doesn't mean you don't make adjustments
at halftime if some of your play calls aren't working
exactly right. But whatever your identity is, you've got to
stick to that. And you're absolutely right. Baltimore got away
from Baltimore Football. They panicked. They look like they just

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weren't ready for that moment, which was kind of shocking
and on and when you had Lamar Jackson being just
that inaccurate on that one day, that was enough to
get you beaten and really just stimy your offense for
sixty full minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
You certainly can't have that. I think the big.

Speaker 4 (01:42:14):
Difference in this game for San Francisco on the offensive
side of the ball is McCaffrey. I just McCaffrey could
if they win the Super Bowl, the chances McCaffrey is
the MVP of the game have to be over fifty
percent to me, because it would for them to win.
I think he has to have about one hundred and

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thirty yards.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
I don't disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
I think I haven't seen anything from Rock Party these
playoffs to make me think that they're even going to
let him be in the position to do too much.
And I do think that if San Francisco does win,
it is probably should have had you Christian McCaffrey pretty
early in terms of the X factors for San Francisco winning.
Fox Sports Radio Era towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from
the tyreck dot Com Studios will come back. We'll talk

(01:43:00):
about what Kansas City needs to do and needs to
do to win sure victory. It's getting laid over here.
I apologize. Let's host to the news desk to sega,
what is trending?

Speaker 9 (01:43:10):
McCaffrey with all the touchdowns this year has saved them,
especially in that Green Bay bad weather playoff game. I
mean that was a seven to six halftime game. He
had two touchdown runs second half, had the game winner
with about a minute to go. It would be rare
actually if we had a running back win Super Bowl MVP,
because the last was Terrell Davis over twenty five years ago.

(01:43:32):
There have been more defensive players to win Super Bowl
MVP than running backs to do so.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Don't you think it would have been Marshawn Lynch? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Yes, patriotically yeah soon too soon.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
Sorry.

Speaker 9 (01:43:46):
By the way, I go back to our resident Northern
California forty nine ers fan Mark Willard, who after their
two playoff wins, have said, hey, this was not an
enjoyable experience going through those games and they won to advance.
And he also said after last weekend they've won two
playoff games there in the Super Bowl, and I'm not
sure if they're any good end quote. Yes, San Francisco

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this postseason, in the two playoff games has allowed twenty
six points a game. If they win it all tomorrow
and allow another twenty six or so, that would be
the record for most points per game allowed in the
postseason by the Super Bowl champ. Last year, Kansas City
allowed twenty five a game, including the high scoring Super Bowl.
Tomorrow's game in Las Vegas kicks off at six forty

(01:44:32):
pm Eastern Time, Super Bowl fifty eight with the Chiefs
and the forty nine Ers. Kansas City running back Jeric McKinnon,
after the groin injury earlier this season, was finally activated
off injured reserve today, but he's questionable for the game.
He was limited in practice this past week. McKinnon, the
guy who played for San Francisco in twenty twenty. Chiefs,
will be missing. All Pro guard Joe Tooney out again

(01:44:54):
this weekend with the pectoral injury. Today, he was officially
placed on IR. The good news is no injury designated
any more for Kansas City running back Isaiah Pacheco or
for wide receiver Rashi Rice. The age practice fully yesterday.
The Chiefs had about a thirty minute walk through at
the stadium today and then the team photo meetings tonight
at the team hotel and again sunny weekend in Vegas.

(01:45:15):
Let's see if the grass is in good condition as
they've wheeled it in to the indoor stadium hosting a
Super Bowl. Yes, there is a roof, but with a
grass field to the NBA, Cleveland has won nine games
in a row. In fact, the Cabs have won seventeen
of their last eighteen. They dominated at Toronto tonight, led
in the second quarter fifty one to twenty eight. Calves

(01:45:37):
won nineteen ninety five, the final wins for New Orleans
and Indiana, wins for Atlanta and Golden State, which edge.
Phoenix won thirteen one to twelve. Steph Curry with a
last second three pointer thirty points in the game for him. Earlier,
Charlotte ended a ten game losing streak beating Memphis one
fifteen to one OZH six. Memphis Grizzlies have lost eight

(01:45:57):
in a row. Spurs lost their seven straight, Washington lost
at sixth.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
In a row.

Speaker 9 (01:46:02):
Orlando got an overtime win against Chicago, one fourteen to
one AW eight. Franz Wagner with thirty six points. In
college hoops wins in the top five for Connecticut, Purdue,
and number three North Carolina, which won at Miami seventy
five seventy two. Hurricanes now six and seven in the ACC.
Number four Kansas over Baylor in a close one sixty
four sixty one. Baylor with twenty one turnovers more turnovers

(01:46:25):
than Baskets in this game. Number five Houston had to
come back to win at Cincinnati sixty seven sixty two.
Texas A and m dominated Number six Tennessee eighty five
sixty nine. Marquette came back to beat Saint John's. Arizona
dominated at Colorado. Tonight, Duke beat Boston College, and it
was Michigan State over number ten Illinois eighty eight to eighty.

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The Spartans were six and six in the Big Ten Conference.
NHL overtime wins for Carolina at Detroit. The late game
in LA went to the Kings four nothing over Edmonton,
and Washington won three nothing at Boston. By Thursday, all
MLB and catchers will have reported to spring training. Dodgers
reported early got their first workouts yesterday, in fact, because

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their regular season starts in South Korea with two games
against the Padres March twentieth and twenty first. Meanwhile, in
Golf in Vegas today, Dustin Johnson a one shot victory
in the live golf event No Golf in Vegas tomorrow.
Something else is going on. And on Golf's corn Ferry Tour.
I don't know if you've heard about it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
This week.

Speaker 9 (01:47:24):
There was a guy who shot a fifty seven there
on that tour on Thursday, lowest round ever in a
PGA sanctioned event. He shot seventy five today fell out
of the top thirty. There was a nineteen year old
yesterday in the second round who shot fifty nine at
this tournament in Colombia. Turns out Bogata's over eight thousand
feet above sea level rain earlier had softened the greens.

(01:47:45):
Some players have said, yeah, it's a really short course. Nonetheless,
a records a record.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve the Sager,
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Er Torres. Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studio twenty four
minutes from now. Bernie Freddo of The Bernie Freddo Show
will follow us. By the way, I hope Saga has
a great evening. He will be back in tomorrow and oh,
by the way, Jason Martin and I will be back

(01:48:12):
in as well. Eight pm Pacific, eleven pm Eastern. We
will be following Arnie Spanier and Chris Plank after the game.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
All right, Jason, let's get to the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
We just talked at length about San Francisco what they
need to do to win on Sunday, Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:48:32):
Let me say this about case C.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
Jason, I've been thinking a lot about this so all
college football season long. We talked about how this might
have been Nick Saban's best coaching job in college football
at Alabama. Obviously, Nick Saban has since retired, but the
argument being that basically about two three weeks into the season,
he kind of realized, you know what, the way we

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want to play, the way we have played in the
past with Bryce Young and Tua, it's not gonna work.
We need to change how we play. We need to
run the ball more, we need to play great defense,
we need to let our quarterback run more. I bring
it up because I feel like that's kind of what
Kansas City has done is I think they were trying
to be the twenty nineteen, twenty twenty twenty twenty one

(01:49:18):
Kansas City Chiefs up until about three weeks ago, and
then they got to that playoff game against the Dolphins
when it was negative a million degrees and they just
ran the crap out of the ball. They played defense,
they got out with the win, and since then this
has been a defense first, run first team that Mahomes
obviously makes plays, but he's not being asked to put

(01:49:39):
up four hundred yards a night. And so when I
look at this team and I look at what Kansas
City has to do to win, I think it's obvious.
Keep doing what you've been doing. Mistake free football, zero
turnovers in these playoffs, or at least Mahomes has zero turnovers.
I should say that's the key. I know it's obvious
because you're here. But I don't think it's you have

(01:49:59):
to score thirty one points. I think it's get ahead,
play defense, rely on the run game, and you're gonna
have success.

Speaker 4 (01:50:05):
What say you, Yeah, I mean I think that's true.
You don't have to outscore the way that you used to.
Lugerious need has been shut down. I don't think I
think I saw this he did not give up a
touchdown until the game against the Bills a couple of
weeks ago this year, and he's usually against the number

(01:50:26):
one wide out. So we'll see whether or not they're
able to do something against them. They meaning San Francisco
in this case. But you've got Carl Loftus who has
emerged big time, and Chris Jones, who of course got
paid and is a massive force. And if he can
get to rock Party, ouch, that's gonna be a real

(01:50:49):
problem for San Francisco. But this is a team that
and you have said it repeatedly, it doesn't have to
win on offense anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
It can.

Speaker 4 (01:50:58):
I'm not saying that Patrick Mahomes needs to be a
game manager, but if they avoid the big mistake, their
defense is likely going to put them in a position
to win a game against just about anybody on any
respective Sunday, whether it's the Super Bowl or Week one
when they lost to the Alliance. But Chris Jones was
watching from a box that night, so you know, you

(01:51:19):
look at everything that has happened this year, it would
be very I don't know, it would almost be on
brand for them to show up tomorrow and the offense
to go wild. But I think that both these defenses
actually are going to be playing with a lot of
pride tomorrow and they're gonna want to be spoken of

(01:51:39):
after this game. So I anticipate this to be lower
scoring than maybe I would have at the beginning of
the year when I predicted this game. It just it
feels like this is going to be more of a
war of attrition than last year was a great football game.
I do not think this game is going to be

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up and down offensively in the same way we have.

Speaker 2 (01:52:05):
Hit on this Super Bowl from every single angle. So
the only want thing to do left that is pick
our winner.

Speaker 3 (01:52:13):
We'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
Next.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Aeron Torris,
Jason Martin broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios.
We're taking you to the top of the hour. Bernie
Fredo of The Bernie Freddo Show follows us. By the way,

(01:52:37):
if you missed any of the show, make sure to
go back and download the podcast. We did have Purdue
basketball coach Matt Painter on the show, and we asked
him about some kind of pseudo controversy around his program
in the last couple of weeks. To some foul stuff,
and he was very passionate in defending his team and
his program. If you love college hoops, go back and

(01:52:59):
download the pod cast. Coach Peter gives about probably ten
twelve minutes of his time. It was Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
No, I don't have anything else to add other than that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
Like that, The answer to that question about if the
way his team has been officiated this year was just,
I know it's super Bowl, but man, like, it's gonna
take a It's gonna take quite a performance tomorrow to Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Yeah, well you know, and you said it in our
one is sometimes you know, first of all, you get
these coaches on and you know, very often they're not
gonna say very much.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Okay, even if.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
It's a pseudo you know, whatever you deem controversial, you know,
usually they're gonna take the path of least resistance. Well,
you know, we disagree, but whatever, We're focused on the
next opponent. I'm trying to think of a football analogy.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
You know, I don't own the Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
Yeah, we're on a Cincinnati. I mean, you know, whatever
he I you know, listen, I I don't know how
much media he does. Outside of media availabilities and you know,
mandatory media availabilities. And I don't know if he's really
had a chance to unload on that. You know, I'm
sure that like the night of the game, I'm sure

(01:54:09):
he was asked about it, but then probably bluntly, you know,
just probably, you know, it's it's the heat of the moment,
and it's right after the game. You don't really have
a chance to really prepare an answer. And so I
don't know if he's he hasn't had a big platform
to talk about it, or if he has answered it
so many times. Maybe it's the opposite that he was
just ready to go. But again, very passionate about his answer,

(01:54:35):
as as the Purdue head coach Matt Painter, did go
ahead and did give us some good intel mixture. You
download the podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
What's that?

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
He brought the heat?

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
He brought the heat? So did his team? Twenty point win?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
Tell you what, Lorena, help our friend Mary get us
some music, Get us some NFL music, because we are
going to make our Super Bowl picks. All right, Sunday afternoon,
six forty Eastern time, Jason, So we are talking, I
can you I'm not evenna do the math I'm tired.

Speaker 1 (01:55:08):
I'm ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:55:08):
Home San Francisco against the Kansas City Chiefs in Vegas.
San Francisco a one and a half point favorite. Jason,
We've spent three hours talking about it. Go ahead and
tell us what your take is in your official final prediction.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
Okay, So I'm gonna go with what I went with
before the season, and I'm gonna go with it for
the reason that I should have gone with it when
I miss judged the championship game of one of these conferences.
And it's still Patrick Mahomes League until further notice. He's

(01:55:46):
just better than you are. He's better than you are
at football, and he's gonna find a way to beat you.
And in the biggest moments, he's just gonna make a play.
He's gonna do something, and I'm just not betting against
the guy anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:56:00):
I am picking.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
Kansas City to beat San Francisco, even though there have
been times this season when I said San Francisco was
more complete. I think Patrick Mahomes and you add to it,
Spagnolo and the way that that defense for him has
played this year and has played.

Speaker 1 (01:56:16):
In this postseason.

Speaker 4 (01:56:18):
I just think that Kansas City enters this game as
the better football team with an underworldly quarterback who owns
the NFL Right now, I know he's not the reigning MVP,
and I understand why Lamar Jackson won it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
Patrick Mahomes is the best player in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:56:35):
He will prove it again and Kansas City will win
another Super Bowl in back to back years.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Well, I'll go ahead and give my pick and listen,
it is Kansas City as well. And listen, I hate
the super cliche. You know you can't bet against Patrick Mahos,
but you're right. I've done it. Two weeks in a row.
I thought for sure the Baltimore Ravens were going to
win that AFC Championship game at home and ball to
more best defense in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
And they completely fell apart.

Speaker 2 (01:57:04):
And it was the same with the Buffalo Bills, who
could not move the football in the second half. And
so why I like the Kansas City Chiefs is because
this is probably their least explosive offense, but it is
by far the best defense of this run. And that's
not a new take. Everyone's been talking about it for
the last two weeks. I get that, But at the
same time, the way these two teams have played. San

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Francisco has made a habit of falling down early. Kansas
City has made a habit of getting a lead, controlling
the clock, and controlling the game with that defense. And
so if San Francisco is going to play the way
that they have over the last couple games, this is
not a team that you can fall down twenty four
to seven against. This is not a team that you

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can fall down double digits a touchdown and just expect
to magically flip a switch.

Speaker 3 (01:57:54):
This is not a team.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
By the way they ran the ball all over the
Detroit Lions in the second half of that NFC Championship game,
you cannot do that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
In this game.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
You will not be able to do that. So I
have Kansas City twenty four to seventeen. I think it's close.
I think it's low scoring, and I think Kansas City's defense, well,
they won't get the literal MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
I think they will be the MVP of this game.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
Jason, did you say twenty four to twenty one?

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
I sit twenty four seventeen.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
Oh, twenty four to seventeen. Yeah, that's about where I
have it. I don't think this game hits thirty points.
I don't I think that you can win it with
twenty seven. You might be right, you could win it
with twenty four. I was in my head, I was
thinking something like twenty four to twenty one. I think
it's that close. It's twenty four to twenty one, it's
twenty eight twenty four, it's something in that range. I
think it should be a great football game with a

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lot of things for us to chat about this time
Tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
That is right for people who miss the announcement. Jason
Martin and I will be on at eleven pm Eastern
Time breaking down this game from all angles Tomorrow night.
Sunday night, Super Bowl Sunday. Arnie Spaniard Plank will be
on for believe about five or so hours.

Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
That much of Ernie Spanier was that you imagine that
much of Ernie Spanier.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
It's a lot of Arti Spader. That's a lot of
Arti Spader.

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
It's all the that's all the Arty Spaniard.

Speaker 6 (01:59:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
I think they come on at five Eastern, so about
an hour before kickoff, and they take you straight up
until eleven pm Eastern time. Jason Martin and I will
follow follow them and We're gonna have a ton of fun. Man,
I cannot wait to do it. It's gonna be fun.
Uh and there is going to be so much to
discuss one way or the other. If you missed any
of today's show, we hit on this game from all angles.

(01:59:39):
We talked about what the Chiefs need to do to win,
the forty nine ers need to do to win, what's
mahomes legacy gonna be Brock Party, Andy Reed, Travis Kelcey,
et cetera, et cetera. So that said, we gotta get
out of here. Want to thank the crew, want to
thank Lorena and Mary on the board. Want to thank
producer Pat Steve de Seger. From my partner Jason Martin,
I'm are Taurus. Make sure to download the podcast Coming

(01:59:59):
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