Aaron Torres & Jason Martin talk Shedeur Sanders Falling in the Draft, Nico Harrison’s Questionable Comments, Overall NFL Draft Takeaways & MORE!

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Clippers and Nuggets later on in the show. But Jason Martin,
first off, how are you? I know you were filling
in for Chris Plank last night. The story that I'm

(00:47):
sure you spent the inordinate amount of time on the
most amount of time on last night will be the
story that we lead with tonight. It is shad Or Sanders.
How you doing, my man?

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I'm doing well. I sent you a message earlier today
and said, you know, it was in for Plank and
I actually at some point towards the end of the show,
I thought to myself, I may have overdone it a
little bit with Shadoor Sanders maybe it talked a little
bit too much about it. There were other things going on,

(01:18):
but I had several different things I wanted to say
and ended up pushing a few things that I was
planning on doing because I just kept talking about Shador.
And then around the time that he got picked this afternoon,
I realized I didn't do enough because I did talk
about other things, and I'm not sure I should have
like I'd like. It was such, it was so insane,

(01:40):
and we're about to break it all down over this
next three hours. Of course, it's we have seen over
the last three months two of the biggest sports stories
of the century, one of them being the Lucas situation
in Dallas and then this situation with Shadoor Sanders. We
could have I could have easily just talked about that
one thing and still really not even have had to

(02:02):
repeat myself because there's so many different places to take
it well.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
And I agree one hundred percent. And you know, it
is funny because I remember the night we were on.
I know, I say it every single time we talk Luca,
maybe from now until the end of time, but being
on air with Luca, you know, we were on for
about an hour and a half. We threw to Bernie
Fratto and I felt like we were just starting to
scratch the surface of Luca. And then I woke up
next day and consumed every piece of content that I could,

(02:28):
And it felt the same with Shador. It just felt,
you know, it was one of those and I think
you and I were texting. I've been part of so
many shadeour text threads and Twitter message it whatever, but
it felt like, if you are a sports fan, you
have an opinion on what happened with Shador, and you know,
I don't think it's hyperbole. What you said is this
is one of the biggest sports stories that I think

(02:50):
we've seen. I think it's gonna go down as one
of the two or three. And when we look back,
when we're doing our end of year reviews in December
of twenty twenty five, I think this will go down
as one of the biggest stories of the year because listen,
we've had guys fall in the draft, We've had weird
stuff happen, but it's funny, right like, like you know,
every year around this time they show the Jets fans

(03:13):
we want SAP. We want SAP because you know, Warren
Sap was falling and he might go number one, and
you look up he ended up going twelfth overall in
that draft. Okay, Like, and there's been guys, you know,
we've seen Will Levis. Whether you believed in him or not,
you thought maybe he'd go in the first round. He
goes early second, Gino Smith, early second. I'm just setting

(03:35):
this up for the audience. I don't know, maybe there
is an example that I can't think of of a
guy that we thought could legitimately go in the top five.
Like there were people, maybe you didn't think it was
gonna happen, but there was a scenario where everybody thought
he could go number three to New York. Some people
thought he was gonna fall maybe to the New Orleans
Saints at eight. And then even if he falls in

(03:57):
the first round, well the Pittsburgh Steelers gonna take him
at twenty one or somebody's gonna trade back into the
first round. And then, as somebody who was sitting at home,
it was funny. I was telling Brandon Deutsch r Rap
in the back. You know, Friday night is generally the
night that I try to put away the phone. You know,
whatever's going on in sports just you know, spend time
with the family, spend time with my wife, you know,
make sure to make her priority. And it was like

(04:17):
I was on my phone like everybody else, riveted of Oh,
the Browns have the first pick in the second round,
they didn't take them. Then they had like the fourth
or fifth pick in the second round, they didn't take them.
And then the Steelers have another pick. They didn't take them.
And all of a sudden you look up and oh,
by the way, Dylan Gabrielle goes to the Browns, and
then Jaylen Milroe goes to the Seahawks, and then the
night's over at Chaudor is still on the board, So

(04:38):
everybody knows what happened. By now, j mart Let's let
me just get to you. We have all night to
talk about the fit with the Browns. We now know,
of course, that he is officially a Cleveland Brown, as
Desager told you, fifth round pick one hundred and forty
fourth overall, let me just Jason Martin, floor is yours.
Why do you believe that that schador felt? Because again

(04:59):
I think the harshest critics that thought he's not a
first round talent or he's whatever. I think everybody thought
he was coming off the board early second. So what
is it in your opinion that led to the situation
that we saw unfold the last two or three days.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Apparently he's the worst guy ever. I mean, that's that's
the only explanation for it. Because and I sent you
this yesterday also, and this is kind of the first
thing that I talked about when I was in for Plank.
Was on April the twenty ninth, two thousand and twenty four,
right after last year's draft, the odds came out from

(05:33):
bed online to who would be the number one pick
in the twenty twenty five draft, and spoiler alert, it
was Shedor Sanders. He was five to two odds but
plus two fifty to be the first overall pick in
the draft. And you look at where he falls. And
by the way, we also heard I promised that I

(05:54):
heard this discourse. This didn't just happen in dreams and fantasies,
stuff like who's gonna have the opportunity to draft Shadeur Sanders?
Like the teams that were struggling late, well, they're gonna
have an opportunity to draft shador I was hearing that
from the same people that are now out there telling
me that he really never had a first round grade.
And then I've actually even heard this argument out there

(06:18):
that mock drafters were only including him in the first
round so that they didn't get on the wrong side
of Dion, And I thought to myself, why do they
care if they're on the wrong side of Dion. Their
job is to be as accurate in their predictions as
humanly possible. Now their real job is to put out
mock after mock and create different talking points over and

(06:41):
over again. But like people were saying mel Kiper was
in the tank for Shadur, It's like, what for what reason?
All he is is a meteorologist, folks. His job is
to be as accurate with the forecast as possible. That's
how he puts food on the table. That's how he's
done this forever. There's no reason for him to be
in the hank for anyone when it comes to his

(07:02):
draft spot. But here would be my question if he
was five to two odds a year ago. And I
remember the way people were talking about Shadoor Sanders. They
weren't talking about cam Ward this way before the season.
The way that they were talking about Shdoor Sanders. Here's
my question for you, Aerin. Did shaduor Sanders forget how
to play football over the course of the last year

(07:25):
because somebody that was favored to be the overall number
one pick. This makes absolutely zero sense from a football perspective,
because all he did was win a lot of games,
go to a bowl game, and perform Like what exactly
did you need him to do? So that's why I'm

(07:46):
left thinking he must be the worst guy ever, Like
he must have bodies in the closet somewhere that we
have no idea about. There must be skeletons falling out
of multiple closets with false bottoms to explore what is
going on here, because otherwise it is completely ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Well, and so it's funny because you said, did he
forget how to play football? And this is the part
that stands out to me. Not only did he not
forget how to play football? He was significantly better this
year than he was a year ago. And it's funny
because you know, I think people, and it's so funny
because I have been a Shador defender throughout this process.
By the way, not a perfect quarterback takes too many sacks,

(08:26):
holds on the ball too long. Hey, that's what this
thing called coaching is for coach it out of them. Whatever.
But I think because people don't like Dion, they forget
how freaking good shador. These are not Aaron Torres's opinions.
These are not Jason Martin's opinions. These are just facts.
Seventy four percent completion percentage this year, thirty seven touchdown

(08:49):
passes this year, top ten in Heisman voting this year.
Uh big twelve, First Team All Quarterback this year. Oh,
by the way, for a guy who is believed to
not be an elite at he's not an elite athete,
but a good athlete. Four rushing touchdowns on top of
everything else. Four rushing touchdowns a year ago. So no,

(09:10):
he did not forget how to play football. And I
do come back to let me ask you this because
I think, to me, I think there's a few variables here,
and I think he touched on a few of them.
Is one. I don't think Dion helped the process. No,
But I'll say this though, I think it's being a
little bit overblown because now you have some people saying
like like, and I do agree, like if Dion's going

(09:34):
on podcasts because guy, I remember, I'll tell you this.
I remember very early. It must have been around the
Combine I was filling in. It must have been Doug Gottlie.
We had Mark Dominic on the on the show, and
it was around the time that he was at the Combine.
I remember, and I remember asking him. I said, you know,
Shador and Dion made a big stink about you know,
there's certain teams that he wouldn't play for. Now that

(09:55):
we're in this process, do you get the sense that
there is a team that he would refuse to play
for if they were interested in drafting him? And Mark
Dominic said no. So it wasn't that long ago that
we were still having those conversations. So I don't think
Dion helped him. By all reports, Shadoor was a was
a terrible interview. And I think the other thing too, is,
like you said, he just might not have been as
good of a prospect as we expected. Now why you

(10:17):
know why that never came out until the last couple
of weeks or so. I just think it's it's it
was almost, in my opinion, a perfect storm of reasons
why he fell is I think maybe he wasn't the
prospect that he thought that we thought he was during
the season, fair or not, whatever, Why whyever people think
that he's not the prospect? I don't know. I think

(10:41):
Dion's comments didn't help him. I think shadore some of
his public comments about his team and about his this
and about his that, and is he a leader and
he's tweeting at his former teammates whatever. The other thing
I was thinking about today, j mart Is, I wonder
how many teams in theory because I saw, like, as
an example, like Jason Smith and Mike Harmon talked, I
believe last night about why the Rams would be a

(11:01):
perfect fit for him, you know, like a team that
needed a quarterback but doesn't need a starter. I also
just think too, and this is kind of random, but
I think I wonder how many teams there were that
may have been hypothetically interested but didn't even put in
the time to get to know him because they just
assumed that he was going to be off the board
in the top probably ten picks or so, like the Rams,

(11:21):
like the you know whoever, I'm just trying to think
of teams that have kind of an older veteran quarterback
the Cowboys. You know, they they need a backup for Dak.
He's always hurt. So I just think, to me, it
was a perfect storm of events that led to this.
But I'll also say this, I know you were being
tongue in cheek about him being the worst human ever, right,
he must have been a truly terrible interview because there

(11:42):
were reports about it. But I don't know. I'm just
I'm going in different directions. I'll shut up and throw
it back over to you.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
So I was listening to Dame Brugler talking about this,
and I have a lot of respect for Dane and
he he was very diplomatic in how he was describing,
you know, what he was told in the wake of
the interview process for Shador Sanders. And basically what he
said was he said that this is how he said.

(12:10):
He said, you can't go into interviews with NFL teams
as a prospect thinking you have leverage. You can't go
into interview situations telling teams what you're willing to do
and what you're planning to do and as if you
know they're going to need to cater to exactly what
you want. And then and I heard this from a

(12:33):
couple of different places. His whiteboard work apparently was really bad.
I don't know exactly that means, because we had always
heard he had a pretty high football IQ. But what
we haven't really seen him do is anything without his dad,
and because of that, that may have also made it.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Well.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
Of course, he has a high football IQ when it
comes to the stuff that his dad's drilled into his
head forever. But what happens when he's in our system
and when we have to when he having to look
through these progressions and go through all this stuff. So
I can understand some of this, but yeah, like I mean,
what would you how bad would they even the stuff
that Dane was describing. How bad must these interviews have been?

(13:14):
Because there was also a report that after the interview process,
ten teams took him off their board entirely and said,
doesn't matter when we're not drafting out. That's I mean,
that's that's crazy. Because you think about the level of
talent usually outweighs a lot. I mean, we've seen a
lot of questionable characters I'll say that nicely that have

(13:37):
been drafted at some point in the draft. Yeah, they've
dropped a little bit because of this moment or that moment,
but they ultimately the talent went is out. And again,
if this dude was five to two to be the
number one pick a year ago, that means he had talent.
And of course we have function functioning eyes, so we
know that he can play. And it was always said
that way. So what was the problem. Like when you

(13:58):
mentioned the Cowboys, Jerry Jones said, well, we love Shador,
we just already have Dak and I do I can
understand that the one problem for a shadeor Sanders because
of the Dion factor is I don't think anybody wanted
him to come in and be a backup. Yes, like that,
that was going to be a really bad scenario. So
if he could not be your starter, then you probably

(14:20):
were going to go in a different direction just to
avoid the possible circus element or what was going on there.
And I do think as we walk through this process,
as I watched this draft, like trying to think about
it from the NFL side, because I'm much more pro
Schadur in this thing, and I think he's going to
make a lot of people look bad in the future
for the mistake that they made passing on him. Going

(14:43):
with other guys whatever. But I do think that there
are a lot more teams in this league that are
comfortable with their quarterback than maybe we thought coming in.
There weren't nearly as many teams coming in in the
need of quarterbacks because they've either found a guy that
they haven't a decision on one way or the other
over the last few years, or they know they have

(15:04):
their guy in the case of, for example, the Patriots
with Drake may Or. There's teams that are still kind
of we're not quite sure yet if he's going to
be the long term future, but we're not cutting bait
like Trevor Lawrence for example in Jacksonville. We're still gonna
give this time. We still think that this guy can
be the guy, or Tua or something like that. There's

(15:26):
just not as many teams on the lookout for a
starting quarterback because if he wasn't going to be a backup,
then I actually think his options were more limited than
maybe we realized.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well, and that was I guess the point that I
was trying to make earlier that I probably didn't make
very well is how many teams and it's probably not
very many, but it's probably a group of like four
to five that they have a quarterback. They're happy with
the quarterback, but the window with the quarterback isn't forever.
By the way, should mention the NBA game is about
to go final Golden State one oh four or Houston

(16:01):
ninety three. Golden State wins a very important game three
no Jimmy Butler out with the glute injury. Golden State
up two to one. Promise we will have coverage of
that game here as the show goes on. So Golden
State up two to one in that series. Want to
keep everybody updated on that. Do you want to keep
talking Shador though, really quickly because I want to come
back and talk the actual fit with the Browns. That

(16:22):
was kind of one of my things with with Shador,
and I was thinking about this today as well. Is
first of all, I agree one hundred percent about the
idea of not wanting a guy of his profile to
be your backup. And I know people get always getting
mad when you say that, there is a truth to it.
You don't want maybe the most famous person in your
building to be the backup quarterback. It applied to Tim Tebow.

(16:44):
It applied to Cam Newton when Cam Newton couldn't get
a starter's job, and it applies to shad Or sand
I was saying about this, jam Mark. I know I'm
getting all over the place here, Shadoor Sanders. Would you
argue this is gonna sound crazy, but let's talk this through.
Would you argue, I think he might be one of
the ten most famous quarterbacks on the planet right now.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's really interesting.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
It sounds crazy, But should or Sanders or Michael Pennix.
I think most is should or Sanders, right, shoud or
Sanders or Drake May. People might know the name Drake May,
but you see shoud Or walking in the mall, you
know should or I don't know as a football fan
that I would know Drake so that you know, well,
you can comment on that if you want. But I

(17:26):
think the point I'm trying to make is if you
are a team that needs a backup, like you said,
it's like, if you're the Seattle Seahawks, would you rather
have Jalen Milroe, who's kind of you know, head to
the ground, gonna put his work in, gonna be quiet,
not you know, or do you want to have a
guy that's probably more famous than Sam Darnold. So I
think the backup thing is real. And then I think, like,

(17:46):
like you, like I said, like you said, is that
I think there was probably a window of teams that,
if they thought he realistically could have fallen, would have
done more homework on him. And the team that keeps
coming to mind in the Los Angeles Rams, Matthew Staff
is getting close to forty. He's not gonna be around forever.
But did they just think, Hey, you know, we're not
drafted until twenty six, twenty seven, he's not gonna be there.

(18:07):
Even if he is, We're not using a first round
pick on a quarterback. And then all of a sudden
it's the middle of the third round and they're like, oh,
this guy's still available. So I just think there were
a lot of variables. But I do think the backup
thing is a real thing, and I think there's probably
a small handful of teams that probably just didn't put
in the work because they kind of just assumed he
wouldn't be there, or you know, again, they're drafting late

(18:29):
first round and they're just like, we're not going to
take a quarterback in that spot, never assuming that he's
in the third fourth round.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, and so that's just the leadoff, folks. I mean,
there's a lot of time left in this show in
a lot of different ways to take this. There were
some losers when he was picked, and there were some
losers before he was picked, and there are going to
be some losers going forward. But I will say this,
dylanon Gabriel take you don't let him be good, man,
Do not let him be good, because one mel Kiper

(18:58):
is going to take the biggest victory redlap in the
history of planet Earth, this side of Donald Trump at least. Uh.
And like outside of that, like Saints fans like come on, man,
my goodness, like you better be right, like you better
be right that this dude is the worst dude ever
with no skills at all, and it's just going to

(19:21):
be an absolute cancer all over the place because I
don't think he's gonna be And now he has a
very even if he was gonna be, he certainly now
has the opportunity to make all these people look bad
and just leave egg on the faces of half the country. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Producer Brie almost didn't come into work today. She came
down with a bad case of chuck fever. She couldn't
get rid of it. So we will talk about the
losers of the whole situation with Shador Sanders. And also,
I think now it's fair to ask he is officially
a Cleveland Brown, that there's a lot of names on
the Browns depth chart, but I think there are a
lot of names that Shadoor Sanders could eventually pass, and

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Speaker 3 (21:00):
Wait to say, Wait a second, did he say I
forgot about the blank win A two lyric? Twenty three?
Is this shudor twenty three?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
He is twenty three?

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah, that's right. Nobody wanted him when he was twenty three.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Nobody likes you when you're twenty three? That was Mary?

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Was that intentionally done?

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Mary mackew, I'm bringing you out air? You are you
doing it on a purpose? Did you do?

Speaker 6 (21:19):
I would never like publicly go on and like you
know you guys know like Sadar Sanders is my man.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
So yeah, I was. I thought I thought about you.
This is gonna sound creepy. I was gonna say I
thought about you late last night. Not like that, but
I thought about No. She she is uh, you know,
the unofficial head of the Shadoor Sanders fan club.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
There may be ir restraining orner involved. I don't really
know too many. No, I'm kidding, but I did think
I was almost gonna text you like I'm so sorry
about about shador. I knew how how how heartbroken you were.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
Throughout I mentioned say, how was it Chris Goodwin Krik
Godwin one time and Sam texted me when.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
He, like, you know, when he had that injury.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
And Sam texted me, so I think I'm just I
think I'm cool of mentioning like any guys anymore.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
Okay, Well we got it. Yeah, Well, did you do
that on purpose though nobody likes you when you're twenty three?

Speaker 7 (22:09):
That was me.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
But did you think that you do it on purpose?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
I did?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
Wow? Bro, wow, I like, there's no way that was
going to be just luck, like that had to be. Yeah,
that's just great.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Producing Well. George Sanders is twenty three years old as
of February seventh. He is now officially a Cleveland Brown
as well. So we talked about why he did and
did not fall in the first round and the first segment,
and he is officially a Cleveland Brown fifth round pick,
one hundred and forty fourth pick overall, second quarterback drafted
by the Cleveland Browns. But I'll tell you this, Jay Mart,

(22:39):
you look at that depth chart. You know, Deshaun Watson
out with the Achilles injury, Joe Flacco, who is on
the other side of forty, and I liked Joe Flacco,
but I think it's going to be hard for a
forty soon to be forty one year old to be,
you know, a seventeen game starter. They have Kenny Pickett

(23:00):
and they have Dylan Gabriel. And my big takeaway is, listen,
if you're Shore Sanders, did you hope this happened four
rounds earlier in round one? Yeah you did, But there
are much worse landing spots if you are Shedore Sanders
in the Cleveland Browns, Oh for sure.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean, this is one of the places that you
want to go if you're him, because let's just be
real here, he's gonna be QB one by Christmas, if
not earlier. I think mid season, I think is what
I said to you, and then you sent me the
tweek that you had put out that was basically identical.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
To my point, I just I don't see a universe
where it's not going to be his gig. And I mean,
if you consider where he was supposed to be drafted,
any eyes of most up until the pre draft process,
I think Ben Maher said he had cooties. That's a
pretty good line. Actually likes that's pretty good. I saw

(23:53):
that like before that point, like you look at you
just laid it out. I mean, I know Deshaun wat
is on his revenge tour. At least that's what he
has said, that he wants to shut all the haters down.
I just don't think he's good anymore. I think that's
the biggest problem for him. So I guess you can
call me a hater at this point, but I need

(24:14):
to see him actually do things that are positive as
a quarterback in back to back weeks in a Cleveland
Brown's uniform before I really care. And then you mentioned
Flacco and then Dylan Gabriel unfortunately, is just never going
to have an opportunity. I don't think not there. So
I just I don't see a universe where should door.
By the time they get out of Camp Stefanski and

(24:35):
people were like, oh man, like they literally fell backwards
into a fifth round pick that most people had in
the top five six months ago, Like that's that's absolute insanity.
And by the way, the biggest example that I think
you could point to of this in history, like you mentioned,

(24:55):
you know, Aaron Rodgers was twenty fourth. Our partner Brady
Quinn was twenty ish somewhere in that neighborhood. I think
we have seen it. You talked about Levis, you talked
about Gino Smith. But the closest example I think happened
right here in Nashville a couple of years ago, and
it was Malik Willis. Malik Willis, who we were being
told was top five, top ten potential, and then he

(25:17):
slips out of the first round. He ends up going
I think it was eighty six to Tennessee after all
of that. But the difference is that's Malik Willis and
this is shud Or Sanders. Malik Willis, you could talk
about where he was coming from and where he had
played and all this. You can't really say that about
Shadu or Sanders based on Colorado and what they went
through last year, the schedule that they had, all of that,

(25:40):
and what they did in the Big twelve, Like, you
can't even make the same argument from that. So there's
again there's a I just look at Browns fans may
actually end up with the greatest story maybe in their
franchise's history or certainly in recent memory for them because
they fell into Shadoor Sanders.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, let me, let me ask you this real quick.
I want to get back to shore in a minute.
Why explain to me the Dylan Gabriel and then the
Shadoor Sanders thing or is there no explanation?

Speaker 3 (26:12):
There's not. They they took Dylan Gabriel because they didn't
I guess they didn't want to take Shador because again,
like apparently he's the worst guy in the history of Earth.
And then they ended up like eventually they said, look,
we're just gonna take him. And I even heard them
trying to explain it on TV after he was picked

(26:33):
and saying, you know, there's a there's a long time
time between Dion and Jimmy hatslum, so you know this,
there's a great relationship here that made this happen. I'm like,
we're talking about the fifth round, yep, Like what is
the description? Like what are we talking about at this
stage in this Like, why are you trying to explain
why this dude was taken in the fifth round? He

(26:55):
was taken in the fifth round because eventually somebody decided
to order the code red against the collusion that was
happening in the league. Now I'm just throwing that out there.
I'm not saying that that actually happened. But there was
a moment there where I was just like, did the
league just get together and say we're just not gonna
draft this guy? No one can draft him? And then

(27:17):
eventually somebody just kind of broke through and said, now
I'm gonna We're finally gonna take him, or maybe like
the only way this works is the Browns say, look,
we're planning on taking him early. We're gonna take him
at five. We're gonna we're gonna trade down. We're gonna
take him at five. And then they're like, you know
what if you wait, we'll let you take him in
the fifth round after we've humbled him properly. No one

(27:41):
will take him prior to you, but you don't take
him until midway through the fifth round. Like there's I
don't even there's no I can't wait to read the
stories about this after a lot of it is broken
down and people start talking about what went down here,
because there's some stuff we don't know that went on

(28:03):
over the last forty eight hours.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, I first of all, the Dylan Gabriel thing, I
have no real answer on now. I will say I
have no fundamental issue with just taking both and saying, hey,
if either of you is good enough, go win the job,
which I think Shador will do. But yeah, no, the
whole thing is strange.

Speaker 5 (28:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Again, it goes to the Lukadancich stuff that we talked about,
you know, to lead the show, not to lead the show,
but in the first segment, and what we've talked about
the last month is that I just I don't think
there's a great reason. I think that unless the interviews
were way worse than we thought. But even then, to
your point, you get to the second, third, fourth round
and it's just a value proposition. It's just, dude, this

(28:44):
might be the most talented quarterback. Like that was something
I was thinking about on on Friday night, is like
he must have been really bad in those interviews because
there isn't a coach in the league, because there isn't
a person in America that if you had to win
one game tomorrow, would Jalen Milroe over Shador Sanders you
just won it. Probably the same with Dylan Gabriel. So anyway,

(29:06):
it remains astonishing. Shadoor Sanders is officially a member of
the Cleveland Browns, and trust me, we're gonna continue this
conversation throughout the night because it is fascinating, but it
is official. Chadoor to the Browns. Fox Sports Radio aer
towards Jason Martin broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios,
come back, talk about some of the other news and
notes over the course of the last couple of days.

(29:28):
Before we do, though, let's get it over the news
desk first time on our show this evening. Steve de Sager,
what is trending? My friend?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
Hello, gentlemen.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
We will get to the playoff victory of the Golden
State Warriors in a moment. There are two laid ballgames.
Great game at Dodger Stadium. The Pirates were leading LA
in the top of the seventh with a run four
to three. Bottom of the seventh show Hey O Tani
RBI doubled a tie bottom of the eighth, te Oscar
Hernandez solo homer for the lead five four Dodgers in
the bottom of the eighth. Meanwhile, it's Seattle. It's ten

(29:58):
nothing Mariners over the Marlins attom of the six. Just
one hit for the Marlins, and Tampa Bay has just
won four to one at San Diego at Arizona four
home runs tonight for the Diamondbacks, a Henny O Suarez
and the Braves still won the game in ten innings,
eight to seven at Arizona. Detroit swept a doubleheader from Baltimore,
Saint Louis and Cincinnati with wins Toronto at the Yankees

(30:20):
reigned out. All the NBA playoff games on the Saturday
schedule are now final. Golden State up two games to
one in its first round series after beating Houston one
oh four to ninety three. Steph Curry with thirty six
points nine assists. Jimmy Butler of the Warriors was out
after a fall. What an ending to Denver's win in
La over the Clippers on a dunk at the buzzer

(30:41):
one oh one ninety nine is the final series tied
at two. Aaron Gordon, the late Hero Clippers were down
twenty to start the fourth. It did not go overtime, though.
Oklahoma City sweeps its series four to oh over Memphis
one seventeen one fifteen. Cleveland won again, this time at
Miami won twenty four eighty, having its three games to none.

(31:01):
Caves in the NHL's late playoff game the Avalanche at
home through two lead three to nothing against Dallas. Overtime
wins for Ottawa and Vegas. Tampa Bay a five to
one winner at Florida. Today, the Minnesota Vikings acquired quarterback
Sam Howell from Seattle. The NFL draft concluded with rounds
four through seven today. In round four, Arizona State running

(31:23):
back Cam Scatibow went to the Giants. The Cleveland Browns
in round five did select Colorado quarterback Shduer Sanders. Undrafted
was Colorado defensive back Shiloh Sanders. He is signing with
Tampa Bay. Among those in round six, quarterback from Syracuse
Kyle McCord, a Philadelphia native, goes to the Eagles, and
Will Howard, who finished up at Ohio State at QB,

(31:44):
goes to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Ohio State had fourteen players drafted.
Georgia had thirteen. In the seventh round. Among those taken,
Texas quarterback Quinn Ewers to the Miami Dolphins. MLS Nashville
seven to two over Chicago. Tonight, and NASCAR is back
on Fox TV Sunday from Talladega three pm Eastern time,
Austin Hill one Today's Infinity Race. There back to you

(32:07):
Thank you.

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want to save I think we're gonna have a good

(33:12):
Bears conversation. I want to save that for later in
the show. Give me another just takeaway from non Shador
non Brown's non non Dylan Gabriel. Give me a take
from the from the NFL Draft that we haven't hit
on yet.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Hmmm, Well, I do think that the Giants end up
getting Abdul Carter and then a quarterback that a lot
of people like. I'm they're a lot higher on. Those
people are higher on Jackson Dart than I am. But
Abdul Carter I am very high on, as are just
about anybody else. So you end up with this, Maybe

(33:48):
you get your Micah Parsons here, and then you get
a quarterback, which you desperately needed if you're Brian Dable,
And whether I think that should have been Shador Sanders
or not, Jackson Dart is somebody that was going to
be picked pretty early in the second round if he
didn't get picked in the first. Most had him going
in the first by the end of this thing. So
that I think that the Giants actually did a nice job.

(34:10):
They played this well because they easily could have taken
a quarterback at three, but instead they took somebody it's
going to be, you know, one of those kind of
defenders I believe for that franchise for a very long
time and then still end up with a quarterback by
the end of the first round. So I think that
Giants fans probably pretty happy about how that played out
for them.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yeah, so I think that's that's a good angle. I'm
not a Jackson Dart guy, but ultimately, if you didn't
like Shador and you felt like you needed a quarterback, hey, listen,
you know it's a roll of the dice. You don't
need him to play this this year anyway. I will
point out with Jackson Dart twenty nine touchdown passes this year,

(34:51):
nineteen of them came against Duke Arkansas, one of the
worst teams in the SEC, Georgia Southern and Furman, so
not putting a wet blanket on the Giants pick. A
lot of people liked him. I thought he was more
of a second, third round guy. I think you did too.
I think we talked about that last week. Is that
you know whatever, But hey, listen, you need a long
term answer. Maybe he's the guy, maybe he isn't. I'll

(35:11):
give you mine. And we talked about this last week.
I think Jason I said before the break the pick
that I just don't understand. Well, I'll be honest, that's
what we call tea's in the business. I do understand
the pick. I just don't like it. It's Ashton Genty
to the Raiders. I get it, I get it right.
You think Geno Smith is the guy, Pete Carroll's a defense,

(35:36):
run game head coach. I get it. But I also
know that at some point you're gonna have to put
up points in that division with freaking Patrick Mahomes justin Herbert.
You know the Broncos are getting there with bow Knick's
playoff team a year ago. I just to me, I
just I just think the Raiders have way too many
holes to be using these sixth pick on a running

(35:58):
back and what we all to be a great running
back draft. Quinn shot jud Kids in the second round,
Trevion Henderson in the second round. I understand why it
was done. I just fundamentally disagree with a team drafting
that high, with that many holes, using the number six
overall pick on a quarterback at a running back.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Exeason, Yeah, I get it. I mean Ashton Genty just
kind of started rockinging up the boards. I remember just
a handful of months ago he was being mocked in
a lot of a lot of drafts for my Broncos
to take it twenty. And then of course after that,
there was no way he was going to be available,
So you didn't see that anymore unless the Broncos are

(36:38):
going to trade up to try and get him. But
I started hearing discourse like, you know, after what Sakwon
did and all this stuff, he can come in and
be one of the top five running backs in the league,
and that you know, yeah, you don't want to take
a running back this high, but he's different that. I
heard that from a number of different places. And then

(36:58):
the arguments out there, you know, well, the Flkins don't
regret b John Robinson, for example, I felt like it
was a little high, just because I want to see
what he did at Boise State translate on the NFL level, right,
And I don't want to. I don't know, like it's

(37:19):
just there's something, there's something about it that I didn't love.
But I'm definitely not as low on it as you are.
Like I didn't think that, I definitely didn't hate it.
I understood it, and especially for that team only because
Pete Carroll wants to run the ball on five downs
out of four if he can like that was that
was the knock for a long time was Russell. I

(37:39):
felt bad for Russell Wilson a lot of the time
when he was in the Steelers or in the Seahawks uniform,
because it would be run the ball on first down,
run the ball on second down, Russ, it's third and fifteen,
get us out of this and so but everybody said, look,
he's gonna go get this Marshawn Lynch, and that's exactly
what he did. And the new GM there is somebody

(38:00):
believes in the idea of a running back early, especially
if it's a special talent. So if they had him
that high and they believe he's a difference maker, who
am I to disagree with that? The only thing I
will say is you're looking at a team that had
Jacobi Myers and Brock Bauers but still have had a
lot of pass catching needs, had some other needs, certainly,

(38:21):
and I don't know that this should have been the
top of the list. But because of the offense and
the way that Pete Carroll has coached throughout his NFL career.
Perhaps this makes more sense than it would have for
just about any other team to have done it this early.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, no, it makes sense given the team, the coach, whatever.
I guess. I just have my questions. I will say
in the Raiders defense, statistically, their defense was maybe a
little little bit better than I gave a credit for
middle of the pack, you know, in total yards allowed, scoring,
all of that. Part of it was defensive head coach
last year. And you know, listen, it wasn't a great

(38:59):
edge rusher class, so maybe there wasn't that guy that
you felt like was a game wrecker. I just like
I said, I just feel like there had to be
better value in that pick. But listen, if Ashona Genty
is really good and he could control the clock. The
other thing too, by the way, really quick and you
mentioned it, great story, but there is a difference between
running in the Mountain West and running in the you know,

(39:21):
AFC West. So we'll see what happens there. That was
the pick I didn't understand. Tell you what, j Mart,
we got two more hours. We're taking you till two
am Eastern time. We have plenty of time to talk
NFL Draft. But what I want to do now. I
want to go ahead and switch gears. We got to
talk a little bit of NBA and the biggest story
in my opinion and maybe yours too in the league
didn't come in the playoffs this week. It came off

(39:42):
the court where Nico Harrison. Every time he speaks, it
gets worse. We'll discuss that next Fox Sports Radio.

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Do you want to talk a little NBA?

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Though?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
NBA playoff slate for Saturday is complete four games our final.
The Memphis Grizzlies have been eliminated from the playoffs. They
lost earlier in the day of the Oklahoma City Thunder
Oklahoma City Thunder a clean sweep. They have advanced the
Cleveland Cavaliers a win over the Miami Heat, Cleveland up

(41:01):
three to nothing in that series. We had a thrilling
finish in Denver Clippers that we'll get to in just
a minute. And Houston loses in Golden State on Saturday
night thirty six points. As the Taker just told you
for Steph Curry. Golden State without Jimmy Butler goes up
two to one in that series. We'll get to some
of the games on the court in a minute. Tell

(41:22):
you what, though, j mart I think the most interesting
story at the NBA this weekend came off the court
this week excuse me, came off the court. The story
that won't go away, But it's certainly not helped by
the fact that the principle or one of the principles
can't stop putting his foot in his mouth talk about
our old buddy, Nico Harrison. Okay, So Nico Harrison is

(41:44):
the Dallas Mavericks GM, relatively innocuous guy for most of
his time with the Mavericks, just kind of there. You know,
if you follow the NBA closely, you could see there
was some friction with Luca. You know, there's some locker
room videos from when they advanced to the finals last
year that didn't make him necessarily look good. But again,
just not a guy that anybody knew much about then.

(42:05):
Of course, the Luka Doncich trade happens about six eight
weeks ago. Now, you and I were on air. As
I say, every single time we bring it up, just
one of the wildest things. You know, I think throughout
our careers it's going to go down as one of
the wildest stories to be on air live for. But
I'll tell you what, every single time Nico Harrison tries
to explain this thing, it just keeps getting worse and
Earlier this week, he was asked about the Luka Doncis

(42:28):
trade yet again. Dallas, of course losing in the playing round.
So Dallas this season is over. Here was Nico Harrison
earlier in the week, trying to explain what about the
Luka Doncis trade went wrong.

Speaker 9 (42:42):
I did know that Luca was important to the fan base.
I didn't quite know it to what level. But the
way we looked at it is, if you're putting the
team on the floor, that's Kyrie, Clay pj, Anthony Davis
and Lively, we filled that's a championship caliber team, and
we would have been winning at a high level, and
that would have quieted some of the outrage.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
So, J Mart, I've talked plenty. I'm gonna throw it
over to you in just half a second. The only
thing that I will say I have been since the
night we were on air. I'm not a big conspiracy
theory guy, but I thought there was just something fishy
about this. There had to be something. Did Adam Silver
make a call? Did Lebron James make a call? How
did the Lakers end up with this superstar in his

(43:28):
prime that apparently wasn't really shocked anywhere else? There has
to be something deeper that we don't know about. I've
started to come to the conclusion that maybe Nico Harrison
is just really bad at his job. Jmart, what'd you
make of the news and the noise this week out
of Dallas.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
So the audio cut that we just play, if it's genuine,
he should be removed from power immediately. He should be
taken completely out of his job because if you don't
recognize that Luca matters to your franchise, that that city
cares about him deeply, if you don't understand the lengths,

(44:08):
like I'm not expecting you to understand how important you
know the dude sitting on the bench that's like the
eleventh guy on the team. You know what his value
is to the city of Dallas. But if you can't
figure that out about Luka Doncic, I don't believe that
you're qualified to be in an executive role for the
Dallas Mavericks. Like I feel like, and I said this

(44:29):
last night, I feel like ninety five and this might
be undercutting it. Ninety five percent of our listeners right now,
wherever you are in the country, probably had a good
sense that Luca was very important in the city of Dallas.
So all of you, in my opinion, are more qualified

(44:50):
than Nico if this is true, because this has got
to be the just this is just dumb, like this
is you have to be just complete, we blind and
just totally like out of the box on a beach
somewhere to have any like semblance of understanding that this

(45:10):
guy didn't matter. It's like I understood that he mattered.
I just didn't know to what level. What are you
talking about? Like, what did you not notice as you
walked around the city of Dallas? How many Luca jerseys
you were running into? Did you not see? Have you
not heard the MVP chants all the way through the
NBA Finals and every time he steps on the floor.

(45:31):
Have you like this is not difficult, Like this is
not rocket science. We're not talking about things that are subjective.
We all could have said this, and so you know,
I think every time he opens his mouth that's worse.
And he's a general manager than honestly at this point,
just take the l and go away, like, go into
the background, go home. I don't know what your hobby is, Nico.

(45:54):
I don't know if you play katan, I don't know
if you fish. Maybe you've got putting green in your backyard.
I don't know what it is you do, man, but
what you need to not do anymore is sit in
front of a microphone and try to explain the unexplainable,
like there's no it's over. The history has been written here,

(46:15):
the gavel has dropped. There is no fix here. There
is no win here. There is no there there, like
stop like right now, just cease all communication as it
relates to this. There is no answer that is gonna
fix this. There is no answer that's gonna make it
better or magically make it all make sense, like there

(46:37):
is nothing here at all, which is why when you
really look at it, it's just like he's either as bad
as you could possibly be at this job, or there's
more to this than meets the eye. And the only
other thing I'll say is, and I sent you this article,
and I'm sure you read it too. But ESPN put
out that long article about you know, where it went
started to go wrong with Luca and what was happening

(46:58):
with the MAVs behind the scene, and you found out
sort of he alienated Dirk, did Nico not Luca. Nico did,
and got rid of their strength and conditioning staff that
had been you know with Dirk, and we're friends with
Dirk and friends with Luca and all this stuff. Like
that piece was so well sourced in terms of like

(47:19):
how detailed the information was that it's almost as if
it came from the team, Like there was so much
in that that it was like they had a spreadsheet
with a bunch of bullet points on it to make
sure everybody got it all right. Like he is the
easiest target that you can possibly find right now because

(47:39):
everything is against him. There's almost nothing that you can
find that actually defends him in any way. And usually
when that happens, that does make your spidy sense start tangling,
like is it really this simple or is something really
nefarious going on behind the scenes and the snake is
never going to be revealed. I'm not saying that that's true.

(48:00):
I'm just saying that it almost feels like it would
have to be true for Nico Harrison to be this
like tone deaf and bad day after day, week after week.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
So a couple things. First of all, the only smart
thing he's ever done is that that previous press conference
where he write video or whatever. I think they had
a court stenographer there, I don't know, but anyway, so
a couple things is one, So I really have a
bunch of thoughts. The first one is yeah, and I

(48:32):
just first of all, I will pseudo defend him on
one thing. I don't agree with them, and I don't
even believe that he fully believes it. But I will
say the part where he said Kyrie, Anthony Davis, PJ. Washington,
Derek Lively, and I forget who the fifth guys like

(48:54):
yes in theory Clay, So okay.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Yes, that's a good that's a good.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yes, I will say that, and I'll defend him on
that because that was you remember this, but the night
that the story broke, details were very limited, but one
of the things that they were adamant about from the
Dallas side of things was, you know, defense wins championships
and this improves our And I will say, like, that
is an interesting starting five if you can keep everybody healthy.

(49:20):
The problem is Anthony Davis has a nickname of street clothes.
Kyrie Irving, although he has been better over the last
couple of years, is not mister reliable. You know, He's
not exactly lou Garry or cal Ripkin. Here Khlay Thompson
is thirty five years old with two major surgeries, So
I get that. But all it comes back to to

(49:42):
me is everything that you said is he's either crazy,
tone deaf, crazy unaware, and I just I sit there
and say, j mart and you know you've been in
this as long as I have. Is I do think
the public thinks that if somebody gets a job as
important as NBA GM or NFL GM or NFL head

(50:05):
coach or NBA head coach or Major League manager, right,
I think there's this understand there's this belief that everybody
is actually really good, and everybody is Eric Spolstra and
everybody is you know whatever, and sometimes really bad people
just get really important jobs. I was joking with Brion

(50:26):
Brandon in the back, is there was once upon a
time that Brandon Staley was an NFL head coach. Okay, like,
like at some point there's only thirty two of those jobs,
and Brandon Staley occupied one of them. And so that's
just an example of the fact that there are guys
and girls I'm sure in you know, WNBA or whatever,
but like, there are guys and girls that get jobs

(50:48):
that they're just not good enough to do. And I
don't know how you can take this as anything other
than that from Nico Harrison. And by the way, part
of being a very public facing person, whether it is
not just a play but someone in a management position
is having the awareness of what to say and what
not to say. And so even if somehow someway in

(51:09):
your heart of hearts, you really didn't realize just how
important Luca is to the community.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
No way, I don't buy that one for a minute.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Yeah, but don't say it. Yeah, don't say it publicly. Oh,
this is a twenty five year old that we drafted
that just led us to an NBA Finals one. I'm sorry,
but if you really feel that way, you're an idiot
and unqualified to do the job. But also, just don't
say it publicly because there's no win there. So anyway,

(51:36):
I'm going on and on. But the point I'm trying
to make guy whatever. I'm sure he's a wonderful person.
He's just really bad at his job.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Though. I mean, I think your point is right that
when you see somebody get a high ranking position, you
immediately assume they're qualified immediately. But if that were true,
then so many decisions that we know are bad in
the moment wouldn't be made in the moment. And you know,

(52:05):
it doesn't take hindsight in a lot of these cases
to know when things have gone wrong. It is still
though at the same time, it's just like can he
be this bad? Like is it possible to be this
wrong and to have just just to be completely unqualified
to this degree and to have actually managed to make

(52:27):
this decision, Like I just I am blown away by it. Like,
but the bigger thing is just like, dude, most general
managers in the NBA don't talk very much. Sure, just
go away, like just stop talking, like, hey man, Nintendo
Switch is coming out on June six, Go ahead and
pre order, and go ahead and sit home, play Mario

(52:49):
Kart all summer long, like do something else. You don't
have to keep doing this. This is like ten Cup. Yeah,
h McAvoy won't stop going for the green and Ken
Van Toury says, somebody telling me he doesn't have to
hit it from there, like because he just keeps on
knocking it into the water like, man, like, you're you're

(53:09):
about to run out of balls, And I'm not saying
that in a in a unfortunate way on the radio.
I'm saying, you're about to run out of balls in
your bag, man, Like there's there's You're about to hit
the last one into the water and not be able
to sign your scorecard like, there's not there's there's nothing
that you can do to soften this blow. The best
thing you can do is hope that this blows over

(53:32):
a little bit, or at least you're not seen as
like villain number one. Like I mean, we're to the
point where Dallas Mavericks fans are saying idiocracy has clearly
come true based on the fact that Nico Harrison had
a job to make a decision like this in the
first place. So yes, I definitely think though that it
is true that we overvalue the fact that just because

(53:55):
someone has a job, they deserve that job, or somehow
earn that job, or somehow was going to magically be
very good at that job, because we see way too
many instances, not just in sports, where that is just
flat out.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
On true, flat out on true. And it appears to
be the case with Nico Harrison, who, of course, you know,
is the GM of the Dallas Mavericks. Dallas Mavericks, of
course we're eliminated in the play in their season is over,
and as you said, Jay Marta might just want to
go into hiding there for a little bit because it
did not end well for the Dallas Mavericks. Fox Sports

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Radio ertors Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio Studios. We'll come back. When we do, we will
look at a busy Saturday in the NBA, including oh,
by the way, one of the wildest finishes we've ever seen.
We'll discuss it all next. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (54:56):
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Final four results are final. OKC has swept Memphis out
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They take care of business against Miami. Don't think we
need to spend too much time on those, Jay mart
So I want to go straight to the third game
of the day. Tell you what, Mary Mack, I think
we have the sound ready to go. But Clippers Denver
wild game. The Clippers were trailing by basically about twenty

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points going into the fourth order. You think that the
game is over. They make a wild run, then Jokic
makes a shot to take a two point lead. By
the way, Clippers come all the way back tied up.
Jokic HiT's a crazy shot to take a two point lead.
Then the Clippers tie it back up at ninety nine
a piece. Then final play of the game. Here's what happened.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
Sub is on him Gordon.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
They're gonna take a look at it.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
If you have not seen the highlights. By now, tie
game under five seconds to go. A Yokic step back,
three air ball, Aaron Gordon out of nowhere, grabs it,
dunks it. Did he get it off in time?

Speaker 3 (56:46):
He did?

Speaker 2 (56:47):
The shot is called good on the floor. The Denver
Nuggets essentially a must win game trailing two to one
coming into this one, survive j Mart. First of all,
did you have any issue with the call on the
floor at the he knew at Dome in Los Angeles?

Speaker 3 (57:02):
No, I mean, I think it would have been impossible
to see it in real time, so the referee just
had to make a call. I'd be fine they have
made a call and just went straight there to see
on the replay. I still think they got it right.
But like listening to the audio, as great as that is,
doesn't do it justice. You have to see it if

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you haven't seen it, because we're talking about one hundredth
of a second, Like it's as close as close gets.
There's one angle that we weren't shown live that we
were shown later on that the definitive angle that the
NBA used, where it is clear that the ball's out
of his hands just before the red light turns on,
like you can see it from the reverse side, and

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the ball is separated from all the fingers of Aaron Gordon.
But it's the closest play you'll ever see. It's the
closest play I've ever seen in a history of basketball.
It's the first ever dunk as a game winner to
win an NBA playoff game in the history of the league.
And there will never be anything closer that you could see.
I mean, this was it was just it was just

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a perfect It was perfect imperfection. Because Jokic was defended
pretty well. He threw something up that really was more
like a prayer, and there was Gordon to you know,
make amends for well, not make amends, but to just
kind of recall that he should have beaten Zach Lavine
years ago in that dunk contest. Gets it done here

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in the playoffs with a big time dunk and it
had to have been like one hundredth two hundreds of
a second. It's it's hard, it's hard to describe it
if you haven't seen it. Just how close this actually was.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
It made me like reevaluate do I know the rules?
Because I was sitting there, like, okay, if the ball
is in the basket but his fingertips are still on it,
like is that good? Like has he released the ball?
Does he need to release the ball if it's in
the basket. That is how close it was. The Denver
Nuggets do survive two to two. That series is tied,

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and again the Clippers were trailing by twenty at various
points in the second half and could not close it out.
It's a game that you know, listen, the Clippers have
enough tortured history that you don't need. This doesn't need
to be added to the list, but it is one
like if they don't win this series, it's like, well,
they could have gone up three to one and literally

(59:25):
let it get through their fingertips really quickly. Do you
want to ask you just about the I do want
to ask you about I want to ask you about
the last game, the one that went final while we
were on air. Golden State does get a victory over Houston.
Golden State has a two to one advantage in that series.
The note here, of course, Jimmy Butler, out with the

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gluten injury, did not play. In his place. Steph Curry was,
as usually for usual phenomenal self, thirty six points for him,
sixteen points off the bench for Gary Payton, the second
seventeen for Buddy Healed. Any big picture takeaways for a
game that I think a lot of people, I mean,
even Steve Curse said after the Game two loss in
which Jimmy Butler got hurt, said, you know, we're gonna

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have to reevaluate pretty much everything if Jimmy Butler's out available,
he was not, and it did not matter as the
Golden State Warriors survived and won on Saturday night.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, Steph was a big time especially in the last
probably twenty minutes, but I mean he was really good
much of the night. They needed all of it. Draymond
had a pretty solid game as well. This is one
if you're Houston, you feel like you really needed to
win with Butler not being in the game. Yes, it's
in a tough place to play. It's always gonna be
tough to play in that building. But at the same time,

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this one slipped through your fingers, like this thing was
very close and then you just kind of didn't have
enough down the stretch to hold off steps outside shooting
and just them forcing the issue on the offensive end.
This one felt like, all right, this is when you needed.
I know it's a road game as well, but a

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lot was taken out of both teams. You had them
shorthanded and could not get the job done. This to
me felt like, all right, Golden State's gonna win this series.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah no, And that's I think My takeaway as well
is that I think if they lose this one, we
don't know the status of Jimmy Butler. You fall down
two to one at home, you don't feel very good.
But Houston, as good as the regular season was, we
know the lack of experience for lack of a better term,
on that team in these moments. You know, most of

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their best players playing in their first playoff series. And
so listen, I mean, these are all conversations that people
were having prior to the playoffs of you know, Golden
State about as battle tested as you can be. The
Houston Rockets, very talented regular season team, but still have
a lot of experience to gain in this situation. Well,
here we are Golden State in what was probably the

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must win game of the series. They get it, They're
up two to one as they get set for Game four.
That game will be on Monday night. Golden State takes
control of this series. Fox Sports It's Radio Air Tours.
Jason Martin, we are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. Come back, go back to Friday nights. Where
are the Lakers? Interesting developments with the Lakers, We'll discuss

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that next. First, though news desk the SEGA. What is
trending my friend and as you guys talked about the
way Denver won that game in LA against the Clippers.
There is such a thing afterwards called the pool report
where somebody in the media at the game is selected
to be the representative of all the media guys and
women and be the one person to have a private

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interview with the official and get his comments and write
them down verbatim in detail and then disseminate them to
the rest of the press bogs.

Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
So that pool report interview after the Clippers home loss
to Denver was with the crew chief, Zach Zarbrough, who said, quote,
the ruling on the floor from us the game officials
was it was a good basket. And then it automatically
goes to the replay center official, who, after taking a
good look at it, found clear and conclusive evidence that
the ball was out of Gordon's hands when the red

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light came on to end the game. It has to
be out of his hand when the red light is on.
That's what we were looking for. It's not the cylinder
of the rim. It's whether it's in contact with his
hand or not when that red light comes on. Question.
Then so the replay official outside of the arena, decided
that it was out of his hand. Answer correct from

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all the angles and technology they have in the replay center.
So Denver beat the Clippers in LA one oh one
ninety nine on a dunk at the buzzer by Aaron Gordon.
Series tied at two. Then Golden State came back for
a home win against Houston to take a two games
to one lead in their first round or one oh
four to ninety three the final against the Rocket. Steph
Curry thirty six points. Oklahoma City sweat Memphis four games

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to none. Cleveland now up three games to none after
an easy win at Miami. Everything in the NHL tonight
is done because Colorado is just tied up its first
round series two games apiece, shutting out Dalla four nothing.
Ottawa in overtime, stayed alive beating Toronto It's Leafs three
games to one. Now Vegas in overtime one at Minnesota
that first round are tied at two games apiece. Tampa

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Bay is down two games to one now after the
Lightning one five to one at Florida Today to the
NFL Draft, the Browns in the fifth round today selected
quarterback from Colorado Shador Sanders and defensive back from Colorado.
Shiloh Sanders signed with Tampa Bay. In Major League Soccer,
Nashville won seven to two against Chicago. Bryson Deshambo leads

(01:04:32):
the Livegulf Event in Mexico by one stroke. Austin Hill
took the Xfinity Race at Talladega. The Cup Series race
is back on Fox TV Sunday, three pm Eastern Time,
NASCAR on Fox Everything Final. In Major League Baseball, Seattle
has shut out Miami fourteen to nothing, winning pitcher Luis
Castillo with six innings of work. Mariner's pitcher Logan Gilbert

(01:04:55):
goes on the injured list with an elbow flexer strain.
The Dodgers are seven teen and ten, tied with the
Padres after an LA win eight four over Pittsburgh with
four runs in the bottom of the eighth and Dodger
pitcher Tony Gonzolin will start Wednesday after nearly two years
out due to injury. Dodger pitcher Blake Snell is out
currently with shoulder inflammation. The Padres have a seventeen and

(01:05:18):
ten record after a home loss to Tampa Bay tonight
four to one, Rays beating Dylan Cease who had ninety
five pitches in four and two thirds. And then there's
the Atlanta Game Braves in ten innings, won at Arizona
eight to seven, even though a Hennio Suarez of the
Diamondbacks hit four home runs, including a leadoff homer in
the bottom of the ninth to tie the game. Atlanta

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had trailed six to two after six innings. Wild Game
Braves have won seven of eight. Suarez now up to
ten home runs already this season. He's batting two oh two.
Toronto at the Yankees rained out. They'll play a doubleheader
on Sunday. We had a couple rainouts yesterday and therefore
two doubleheaders today. Detroit is seven ten, best mark in

(01:06:01):
the AL after beating Baltimore four to three and six
to two. The loss in the nightcap for the Orioles
Charlie Morton in relief. He'd been in the rotation awful.
Now takes the loss in relief. He's oh and six
already with an ERA over ten. He's making fifteen million
dollars from the Orioles this year. Today three and two thirds,

(01:06:23):
three runs allowed at Detroit, five walks as well. Cleveland
and Boston split a doubleheader Boston won the nightcab Walker
Bueller going six innings for the win. He's four and
one with the Red Sox.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve de Sager.
Disaga will be back in just one moment with his
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Sports for a free trial at shipstation dot com, chipstation
dot com. Coach sports all right, j mart Game that
did not happen on Saturday. Game three was Friday. Game
three is Sun Game four, excuse me, is Sunday. That
is the Lakers Timberwolve series. So you and I were
on after the Game one lost by Los Angeles in

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LA last Saturday. You were on late last night after
the Game three lost by Los Angeles. So you're either
Minnesota's good luck charm or the worst thing that has
happened to the Los Angeles Lakers in a long time.
But what were your takeaways? Minnesota won sixteen, Los Angeles
Lakers one oh four. The story of course Jaden McDaniels,

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whose name I screwed up many times last week. Thirty
points for the Minnesota Timberwolves.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Yeah, and well man Anthony Edwards made some big shots
for them in the fourth quarter. But I mean the biggest,
really biggest takeaway. First off, Lebron was great, although he
just looked like he had run out of gas a
little bit down the stretch along with that team the
last five six minutes in particular, it just started to

(01:08:07):
go away from them. But Luca had eight points in
the first half and he had five in the third,
and he was dealing with a stomach bug that you know,
had him throwing up all afternoon long, and he went
and played forty minutes in that game. My real takeaway
was he played forty minutes with that like, hopefully, no
one is going to dog him out for anything that

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he did. It was unfortunate that he had a stomach bug,
but look, man, if you've got a virus, you got
a virus. There's not really anything that you can do
about that. You hope though, because it's a pretty quick
turnaround from Friday to Sunday. You know they'll get him
the electrolytes, the fluids. He'll be fine going in because
if they lose tomorrow, they're done. They're not coming back

(01:08:49):
from three to one. There's just no way. So, I mean,
you look at all of it. I think that it
was a wonderful performance for Lebron. He had a straight
up heat check from Town in the fourth quarter of
that game. But and Austin Reeves played pretty well. But again,
I think it just shows if both those guys in particular,

(01:09:11):
and Austin Reeves has to be pretty good too. But
if Lebron and Luca are not both firing, and I
mean like Luca thirty five plus or somewhere in that
neighborhood and Lebron twenty five plus at the very least
and pretty active, they're gonna have a hard time winning
any of these games. And I think that it just
showed again there's no depth there. They just don't have

(01:09:32):
a particularly stacked roster. I understand that rosters get shorter,
bench just get a little bit shorter when you get
to the playoffs, but if one of those dudes is
not available, they can't win. They can't win playoff games,
especially against teams that like to shoot the three. They
actually shot the three better than the te Wolves did
in this game, but Minnesota made everything in the fourth.

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Nas Reed was zero for three entering the fourth, and
then he hit a couple of big time threes, and
the Bey able to couple of big time threes, and
he shook Lebron on the way to the rim in
the last five minutes, which again indicated to me that
Lebron was gassed because he had given it all that
he had and that may be a big problem because
he really did play extremely hard. And then they've got

(01:10:16):
to turn around two days later and play when I
think is a must win game for them with Luca
maybe still not feeling one hundred percent. This one felt like,
you know what a lot of people are probably about
to have to take back their championship is coming to Westwood.
Takes real fast.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yeah, hopefully the parade. Hopefully they haven't blocked off any
days for the parade in Los Angeles, because I don't
know how well that's gonna work out. Lakers trail two
to one. I don't really have a ton to add
other than exactly what you just said, and this has
been my take from day one, is they're not gonna
be good enough defensively. Where if Lebron and Luca aren't

(01:10:55):
both great and then you also get a good game
from somebody else, you're just not gonna win the sixteen
games that you need to win an NBA title, which
is what people were labeling them as the NBA title
favorites after that trade. Austin Reeves has twenty points, but
as you said, Luca, through no fault of his own,
was well under one hundred percent, had just seventeen points
on six of sixteen shooting. Lebron was great, but again,

(01:11:19):
he's forty years old. And I keep saying this. If
you if you go back to the playoffs two years
ago Denver Nuggets, go look at his splits in the
first half, in the second half against the Nuggets. He
just wore down in games. That's not a criticism. He
was thirty eight at the time, and you know he's
forty now. It's just it's unrealistic to expect him to
play at that level for thirty seven thirty eight or

(01:11:41):
in the case of Game three, forty one minutes. So
Lakers lose game three. Well preview Game four later on
in the show. But but yeah, Lakers are up against
the wall and as j Mark just said, pretty much
a must win game on Sunday night or Sunday afternoon.
Excuse me in Minnesota, Game three again Sunday three thirty Eastern.

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Fox Sports Er tours Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
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waste any more time. News Desk to Sager. Uh if

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you could give us every pick first to last NFL draft.
You got about six minutes go. There are a few
to go over, and we will get to the draft.
But something ridiculously unusual in major league history tonight happen.
We've had over one hundred fifty years of major League
baseball history, and pitching a perfect game is more common
than one happened tonight with one guy hitting four home

(01:13:08):
runs in a contest. Even more rare the fact that
the Diamondbacks became only the second team in modern baseball
history to have a guy get four home runs and
they still lost the game.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Oo.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Yeah, that's because they played a super team.

Speaker 8 (01:13:24):
The Atlanta Braves have won seven of eight. They won
the game in ten innings. And by the way, the
nineteen eighty six Braves were the other team when Bob
Horner hit home runs four of them, and they wound
up losing to the Expos that day. But the Statsink
piles on by saying Suarez the first player in major
league history to homer in four straighted bats in a

(01:13:44):
game and still lose. But believe me, a ridiculously rare
thing happened, and still Arizona's in the l column. To
the NFL Draft round four through seven today. To finish
things up, these running backs taken in round number four
as the state's Cam Skatabo to the New York Giants,
Trevor Etn Georgia running back to Carolina, and Tennessee running

(01:14:07):
back Dylan Samson to the Cleveland Browns. And then in
round five, the Browns selected Colorado quarterbacks Shaduor Sanders. By
the way, defensive back Shiloh Sanders of Colorado undrafted signs
with Tampa Bay. But ap answers the question, when's the
last time we had somebody take two quarterbacks in the well,
apparently it had only happened once in almost the last
twenty years. There's a reason, but keep going two quarterbacks

(01:14:30):
in the first five rounds. Washington twenty twelve took Robert
Griffin first and Kirk Cousins four.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I saw us that they were the first team to
take back like in other words, quarterbacks going to the
same team, not back to back picks. But they were
the first team since like nineteen sixty nine to take
consecutive quarterbacks coming off the board to the same team.
If that makes sense. I hope the next words in
between no team. Yeah, any quarterback, correct, that's the best

(01:14:57):
way to put it, okay.

Speaker 8 (01:14:58):
Also in the fifth round, by the way, then we
had some running backs, including from Texas Jaden Blue going
to the Dallas Cowboys, Oregon running back Jordan James to
the forty nine Ers in the fifth round, Kansas State
running back DJ Giddens to the Colts, and a couple
of tight ends in round five Notre Dames Mitchell Evans
to the Carolina Panthers, and the Chargers took Syracuse tight

(01:15:19):
end Aronde Gadston the second The Chargers have signed quarterback
dj uy Angoli lay also, as there was a run
on free agents right after the draft finished. Among the
round six quarterbacks taken, Kyle McCord, Syracuse QB, a Philadelphia native,
goes to the Philadelphia Eagles, quarterback who finished at Ohio State,
Will Howard to the Pittsburgh Steelers. By the way, Ohio

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State fourteen players drafted this week. Georgia had thirteen, Texas
had twelve, Notre Dame quarterback Riley Leonard to the Colts,
Florida quarterback Graham Mertz to the Houston Texans, and a
quarterback from North Dakota State, Cam Miller to the Raiders.
Carolina signed UCLA quarterback Ethan Garber's Auburn quarterback Peyton Thorne
to Cincinnati. Missouri quarterback Brady Cook signs with the Jets,

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and the Jets got Michigan running back Donovan Edwards. Baltimore
kicker Justin Tucker not only coming off by his standards
in awful season, he's under investigation for improper conduct, and
the Ravens spent their sixth rounder on a kicker from
the University of Arizona, Tyler Loop, also the first kicker
off the board earlier in the sixth round, University of
Miami's Andres Borigalis to the Patriots. More on the Patriots

(01:16:30):
in a moment. We did have a punter drafted in
round number six, Florida's Jeremy Crosshaw to the Denver Broncos.
Now round seven to finish things up, Texas quarterback Quinn
Ewers to the Miami Dolphins, Indiana quarterback Curtis Rourke to
the forty nine Ers, and the Patriots had a couple
compensatory picks late in the draft. They took a long
snapper from Vanderbilt, Julian Ashby, at number two fifty one

(01:16:52):
overall and the final selection at number two fifty seven
to end round seven, so called mister Irrelevant Patriots get
defended back from Memphis Kobe Minor. So there's your roundup
on the Saturday. The TV ratings for Thursday and Friday
were quite good, thank you. In fact, Thursday's opening round,
let's compare it to we recently had the final round

(01:17:14):
of the Masters that was the most watched the Masters
had had in seven seven years, with over thirteen million viewers.
Thursday Nights Draft over thirteen million viewers thirteen point six
if you include all the TV channels and the digital platforms,
So it's pretty good, thank you. And then we had
still with Sanders undrafted interest in Friday's round two and

(01:17:37):
three telecasts that got over seven million viewers TV plus streaming.
A reminder, NASCAR is on Fox TV Sunday from Talladega
three pm Eastern time. We did have NBA Playoff action
tonight as Jimmy Butler the Warriors was out after that
fall this week, but Steph Curry had thirty six points
and nine a sists and Golden State dominated the last

(01:18:00):
five minutes and beat Houston one oh four to ninety three.
Golden State up two games to one in this first
round series. The Warriors in the last five minutes outscored
the Rockets nineteen to nine. We talked about Denver's dunk
at the buzzer from Aaron Gordon to win at the
Clippers one oh one ninety nine. Remember there was a
scuffle right before halftime that included Aaron Gordon. If he

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wasn't held back and attempted to throw a punch, he
could have been kicked out before halftime of that game.
Clippers were down by twenty to start the fourth, still
lose by two at home. Na Kola Jokic of Denver
thirty six points, twenty one rebounds, eight assists. Russell Westbrook
was out with a foot injury. That series tied at two,

(01:18:42):
and Oklahoma City sweeps in four over Memphis one seventeen
to one fifteen. The final Jamaran of the Grizzlies was
out with a bruised tip. Scotti Pippen Junior thirty points
Memphis with twenty one turnovers.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
Thank you very much to say that is a crazy
addendum to the Aaron Gordon buzzer beaters. He almost threw
a punch. You got thrown out of the game, right
right five seconds before halftime. Fox Sports Radio air tors
Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Well,
come back, one hour left and you know what we
got to talk about. NFL Draft is in the books.
The big story Shadoor Sanders. He is now officially a

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Cleveland Brown. But how did we get here? How did
he follow the round five? What does it mean for
Shador going forward? That is all next busy final hour,
This says Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
I don't think you need.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
To Tyler Shako. Let's do a Tyler Shuck conversation here
in just a minute. But Tyler Shuck is tangentially involved
in the biggest story of the draft. Because the New
Orleans Saints needed a quarterback, New York Giants needed a quarterback.
Pittsburgh Steelers. Apparently, Pittsburgh Steelers might just run the triple
option next year.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
I mean they might know they're going with Mason Rudolph Man.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Okay, good luck with that. That's okay, Yeah, I guess
they're I guess they have Mason Rudolph. What do I know?
Certainly didn't need Schador Sanders because they passed on them
a bunch. First round did not go well Friday, he
was gonna go right, no second, third round go through,
No chedor Sanders. By the way, if you missed it,
Jmart was on for several hours on Friday night into

(01:20:55):
Saturday filling in for Plank. Download that podcast because it
was wild. Fourth round pass is still not off the board. Finally,
in the fifth round, the one hundred and forty fourth
overall pick. This is what happened? Is this the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
The Seattle Seahawks have traded the one hundred and forty
fourth pick to the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
With the one hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:21:19):
And forty fourth pick in the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,
the Cleveland Browns select chedore same under.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Listen to reaction that was courtesy of NFL Network, and
Shadoor Sanders is a Cleveland Brown. Jmart, your thoughts on
either the road that it took to get us to
Cleveland at won forty four or the fact that he
is now a Brown. I think both conversations are fascinating.
By the way, we discussed both in the first hour.
You can go back and download the podcast. But Jamart,

(01:21:52):
where do you want to go with this Shadoor Sanders conversation?
Because it is a wild one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
I do wonder if this becomes a test case for
potential draftees and it becomes sort of a warning that
the pre draft process is more important than we originally thought.
The interviews and things like that. I mean, you know,
we've heard about bad wonderlick scores and all these things

(01:22:18):
through the years, But to see someone fall not because
of what they couldn't and couldn't do on the field,
but simply because of perception and reporting coming from that
perception based on sitting down or doing whiteboard work or
whatever like that, all of a sudden, attitude means a
lot more. And so I think that's one takeaway. Another

(01:22:41):
one is he could have gone somewhere that did not
need him. He could have ended up going somewhere where
they stashed him on the bench and he never has
a chance because the starter's entrenched and there's not going
to be any kind of problem. Instead, he goes to
now a very crowded quarterback room where they've got five guys,
but none of the other four, to me, I think

(01:23:04):
are going to be able to supplant him. And so
it makes sense to me. Obviously he was going to
do the right thing when he got drafted. He had
the other video came out with him dancing and thanking
God and all those things as he should do, and
maybe you would have done anyway. But he seemed extremely
excited to play for the Browns and all of that.
But I look at it and I just think he

(01:23:25):
probably should be because I think he knows he can
win that job. And the truth is, when he gets
to camp, he's gonna have every opportunity to do that.
Now that they have picked him. If Kevin Stefanski sees
what I think he's gonna see with his talent out
there and with what they're doing, I think that he's
got an opportunity to start pretty quickly and to be

(01:23:47):
pretty good pretty quickly, and so he ends up in
a situation where they actually can use him. And so
despite you know, the money loss between round one and
round five, where he could only make about four and
a half million dollars over four years, which is significantly
less than he would make in one year back in college,

(01:24:08):
based on his value, he's in a perfect football situation
because he's actually going to be able to step into
a QB one role in my opinion. I mean, we
could be wrong here because we're more on the pro
to door side, to say the least, but I don't
look at the Browns quarterback situation and think that even
if it's Joe Flacco week one, I think it's going

(01:24:30):
to be Shador week six, week seven somewhere in there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Yeah, And I think the conversations about why he fell
are interesting, but I think they now take a back
seat to the Cleveland brown situation. And so as far
as why he fell, like you said in hour one,
you know, we might get a thirty. For thirty, we'll
probably get an ESPN dot com or an athletic report
taking us behind the scenes to maybe some stuff that

(01:24:53):
we didn't know. I think it was kind of a
worst case scenario for him of maybe he would never
really a first round pick to begin with, or maybe
he was more of a fringe first round pick to
begin with. It does not sound like the interview process
went well. I don't think some of the things his
father said helped. But I also just think as we've

(01:25:14):
as we've discussed, the number of teams who needed a
starting caliber quarterback were basically like zero to one. You know,
the Pittsburgh Steelers, maybe the Cleveland Browns, who we're gonna
discuss here, and we're going to continue to discuss, probably
the Giant. Even the Giants, they don't need a first
they don't need a starter.

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
The teams that even needed a starter is small. The
number of teams that would consider him as a backup,
because as I said in our one, he's gonna be
more famous than your starter, and he's gonna draw more
attention than your starter. And virtually, you know, probably twenty
five of the thirty two markets. So there's a lot
of variables that went into it. But I think the

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important part now is exactly what you just said, Jason,
is that outside of the fact that it happened probably
three to four rounds later than sor Sanders would have
liked four rounds for sure, it's kind of a good scenario.
And you know, again what I just said a minute ago,
how many teams needed a starting quarterback coming in this draft.
The Titans, maybe the Browns, maybe the Steelers. That's really it.

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And you think about all of the teams with young quarterbacks,
you think of all of the quarterback situations. This is
actually a best case scenario for him. Again, technically not
the best case because you would have liked to have
it happen in the first round.

Speaker 3 (01:26:34):
We get that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
But at the same time, there are so many places,
especially by the way, when you fall to the fifth round,
there are so many places that could have drafted you
on potential, on upside, on the possibility, on the fact
that you're probably better than the backup, on the possibility
that they may need a starting quarterback two, three, four
years down the road. I mean, think about all of
the scenarios that he could have gone to that would

(01:26:56):
have made sense. That aren't a better scenario for a
young quarterback that has the potential to play next year
than Cleveland. The Rams at some point have to draft
a guy that's going to eventually replace Matthew Stafford. I
think the Cowboys should be in a little bit more
aggressive mode to have a backup in case Dak goes down.
He's on the other side of thirty coming off a
second major injury. By the way, the Philadelphia Eagles drafted

(01:27:19):
Kyle McCord, so they want some insurance. You know, Jalen
Hurts was banged up basically all this year, all last year.
They want I mean, there's so many places that he
could have been drafted that there would have been no
pathway other than an unfortunate injury to a starter for
him to play. Now, all he's got to do is
show up, play to the potential that we believe that

(01:27:42):
he's capable of playing at and he is going to
have his opportunity. So again, you wish it happened earlier.
You wish he had all that guaranteed first round money,
but he is going to very much have a chance
to win this job. And if he's gonna And here's
the other variable. And I know a lot of other
people have made this point, so I'm not claiming as
my own, but you talk about having a chip on

(01:28:02):
your shoulder, I mean, you know he's going to be
able to really play that nobody believed in me whatever.
It's just a really good scenario all things considered.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Yeah, I would agree with that. The other thing, I
haven't mentioned this yet, but you have this whole being humbled, yeah,
discussion that everybody's out here. Oh good, he's being humbled. Also,
it is kind of ugly to me, just like looking
at some of the reaction that I saw in comments

(01:28:32):
sections in various places when I was preparing to do
Plank Show and just kind of trying to get a
lay of the land. The people that are like cheering Sanders,
like what's happening to him? Like what exactly are you
doing it? It's just off putting, Like on every level,

(01:28:52):
it makes you kind of root for Shador quite frankly.
But the being humbled things that he needed to be humbled.
First off, you don't know it. That's probably the first thing.
Maybe you don't like him because his dad talks a lot, right, whatever,
but I made disappoint to you. Ashton Genty is known
to be like one thousand percent character. Everybody loves him.

(01:29:17):
All of these things right. He had diamond like Swarovsky
crystal encrusted crocs on at the draft. Abdul Carter had
a full diamond grill in his mouth. There was jewelry
that was dragging these guys to the floor. It was

(01:29:38):
so heavy everywhere. And this is not a knock on
any of that. There's nothing wrong with any of that.
That's not the point here. The point is, this is
not a room full of humility. This home of NFL
Draft Ease is not a humble room. It's a room
full of people that generally are used to people basically

(01:29:59):
calling them deities everywhere they go because they're at the
upper echelon moving to the highest level of their sport.
They've been talked about, We've seen them on television. They've
walked around as if they weren't even walking on the ground.
They're walking two feet above the ground on their campuses.
All of these other kinds of things. They've been told

(01:30:19):
they're great. Agents are telling them they're great. Their families
are telling them they're great. Doesn't mean they have an
overcome anything, doesn't mean they haven't worked hard. But when
I see that room, I don't think humility. I don't
think humble. I think these are superstars and now, especially
in the NIL era and everything else, I'm not even
bothered with Shador having you know, dollar signs with the

(01:30:40):
squared symbol next to it. That's his brand. That's what
we're going to continue to see more and more in
this new version of college football. He's probably just more
overt with it than most other guys are. And that
comes from his dad, because his dad was a great
self promoter. He was a great marketer. He was also
an awesome teammate. And from what you've seen so with Shador,

(01:31:01):
everything you heard about Shador it was the same way.
So it's not like you can talk about humility and
how Shador needs to be humbled all you want, but
to single him out in a room full of NFL
draft ease, to me is just a really like just
like pay attention, take the plank out of your own

(01:31:23):
eye before you start looking there, like figure out in
that room. Again, there's nothing wrong with you showing up
and dressing how you want and spending your money and
all that. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that,
the dominant crusted CrOx that's cool, man, Like, I'm not
doing that. And my wife did say when I showed
to the photo, why it's just like because he can

(01:31:44):
And sure, all right, I bet those are comfortable. That's
a look. I don't think I could pull that off,
But good on him. It's not a knock on that.
It is Why are you singling out Shador like he's
someone that needs to be humbled when Carson beck is
driving around in a Lamborghini when he's at Georgia, Like,
let's hellow our role here a little bit and stop
isolating Shuduur as if the things that he is doing

(01:32:06):
is somehow outrageous compared to everybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
So a couple thoughts on that one. First of all,
I totally agree. And the thing that I found funny
about the negative coverage the people that were rooting for
him to fail or enjoying seeing him fall down the
draft boards. What's wild to me is that the people
that were actually around him and forget about hey, do
you know a coach? Do you know a player? Like,

(01:32:29):
do you know anybody? Just take the broadcasters that were
around hi. Joel Klatt was around him plenty. Lewis Riddick,
who was on the broadcast, was around in plenty. Like
those guys say, he's about football, he's a great teammate.
The guys in the locker room love him. So I'm
gonna take the word of Joel Klatt, who called three
or four of his games, and Lewis Riddick and whoever

(01:32:50):
the other guys that were actually in the building with him.
Sorry guy on Twitter with twenty eight followers, I'm gonna
take Joel Clatt's word over yours, like I'm sorry. Okay,
So that's one.

Speaker 3 (01:33:01):
Two.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
The nil thing is so inch. First of all, you're right,
all these guys now have money. Just deal with it.
But I do find it interesting a couple things like
you said that there's somehow something different about Shador like
like to me and I was talking to somebody about
this this week, is like, I do think there probably
is a little bit of a pseudo adjustment period in

(01:33:23):
the NFL for having to deal with Oh, like this guy,
this quarterback's walking in my room with a chain that
costs more than you know, the salary of everyone in
the everyone on the coaching staff not named the head coach,
you know, and like, I think it's going to take
some adjustment. And I was thinking about this, is that
if you remember three four years ago, and I know

(01:33:45):
you do, Jason, I'm just talking about the audience in general.
Like when we started this nil era, there were all
these coaches that are like, well, I mean, how are
we how are we going to coach these kids if
if they're making more than the offensive coordinator or the
core coach or whatever. And it's like, I don't know
everybody's And so we're three four years into it now

(01:34:06):
and everybody's sort of figured it out. Kirby Smart's still
really good at his job. Steve Sarkisian has found a
way to win games when his quarterback is making millions,
Like everybody's gonna be okay. And I do wonder if
there's some of that in the NFL right now. Of
there's kind of like the trickle up effect of like
college football kind of dealt with this two three four
years ago, and now the NFL is seeing the first

(01:34:26):
wave of it because we heard the same thing about
Caleb Williams last year, but the talent was so overwhelming,
that he was clearly always going number one. And so
it was like with Caleb it was like wow, I
mean he was a little arrogant and he was a
little aloof and it was like the same thing with
Shador and it's like, this is just the world. Now.
These guys are coming in with ten million dollars in

(01:34:46):
the bank, and it doesn't mean that they don't love football.
And by the way, for some of them, it does
that they don't love football, that they're about the money,
that they're about the wrong things. I will just go
off again what I have been told by everybody who
actually spent time around Sanders, which is that he loves football,
that he was great in the locker room, that everybody
was around him loved him. And I think that's an

(01:35:07):
important thing. Is like I think the NFL is trying
to get their arms around. Okay, all these guys have money, Now,
what does it mean. It really doesn't mean anything if
it's the right guy. I don't think it's stopping you know,
Jane Daniels made millions in college. I don't think it's
stopping him from showing up at the facility at five
am to put in the work. We'll see if Sudore's
that guy. But this notion that to your point, that

(01:35:28):
you can't wear a fancy chain or drive a fancy
car and still be a guy that loves football is absurd.
It's just absurd.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
And look, I mean his brand was about being very,
very confident, but it wasn't talked about it as being confident.
It was being cocky. It was being arrogant. Like everything
about him you can take in different ways, and everything
about most people you can take in different ways. You
can read various articles, various news stories, and depending upon
your bent when you start reading the story, you can

(01:35:56):
approach it from a different way and take different things
away from it. It just seems to me that there
there came a concerted effort in the last couple of
months to treat everything that came surrounding Shador Sanders with
the negative lens, like everything that we can do, we're
going to paint this picture. This is a picture, this

(01:36:16):
is the narrative. This is an entitled arrogant, cocky not
even very good like everything was going against him. And again,
what happened to the guy that was five to two
odds to be the number one pick just barely a year.
It was April to twenty seventh of last year, or
twenty ninth rather of last year. He was regarded that

(01:36:39):
way in Vegas and everybody was saying, well, who's going
to have the opportunity to draft Shador in the draft?
And now all of a sudden he's in the fifth round,
and you've got people that are just like, yep, we
knew this was going to happen. It's like, no, you
did not like things obviously happened. And that's why these
articles are going to be fascinating to read in the
coming months, when some of these lips are not as

(01:36:59):
buttoned up and some of this stuff starts to weak out.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
It'll be very interesting to see. But Shador Sanders is
officially a Cleveland brown and I think both J Martin
and I feel pretty good that at some point during
the twenty twenty five NFL season we will see him
as a starter for the Cleveland Browns. Again, I just
keep going back to and we can put a bow
on it here, like it sucks you on in the
fifth But there were two to three spots that you

(01:37:27):
have a legitimate job to earn a barring injury that
you have a legitimate chance to earn the starting job,
and he landed in one of them, it could have
been a lot worse for store centers. So Fox Sports
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(01:38:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio Air tours. Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Tell you
what Jmark before we continue our NFL Draft conversation. Let's
get to saga out of here a few minutes. Early
final update this evening, Disaga. The floor is yours, my friend.

Speaker 8 (01:38:43):
We had a four homer game in Major League Baseball
tonight and the guy lost the game.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
Hey you.

Speaker 8 (01:38:48):
Hennio Suarez at the Diamondbacks hit his fourth homer of
the contest, a leadoff shot bottom of the ninth to
tie the Braves Atlanta one in ten innings, eight seven.
Suarez ten homer already this year. He's batting two oh two.
Tampa Bay beat the Padres and Dylan Ceeze four to one,
Dodgers eight to four over Pittsburgh with four runs in

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the bottom of the eighth. Seattle took the late game
fourteen to nothing over Miami. Cleveland and Boston split a doubleheader.
Detroit swept Baltimore. In fact, Detroit's record now seventeen and ten,
same as the Dodgers and the Padres. The Giants are
eighteen and ten with a run on the bottom of
the ninth. They won the game on Fox against Texas
three to two. Saint Louis got a walk off home

(01:39:30):
run from Nolan Aronado at Edge Milwaukee sixty five by
the Way. Former Cardinals general manager Walt Jockety passed away
at the age of seventy four. Cincinnati a winner at
Colorado sixty four. The Rockies record now four and twenty
two Toronto at the Yankees reigned out. They'll play a
doubleheader on Sunday. Yes, he was drafted. Round five, Browns

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take quarterback Shaduor Sanders of Colorado. Shiloh Sanders, Colorado defensive back,
was undrafted and we'll sign with Tampa Bay. In round six,
Kyle McCord, Syracuse quarterback goes to the Eagles. He's a
Philly native. Among the round seven selectees, Texas quarterback Quinn
Ewers to the Dolphins. In the NHL Playoffs, overtime wins

(01:40:13):
for Vegas and Ottawa also wins for Tampa Bay and Colorado.
The Avs took the late game four nothing over Dallas
to even that first round series at two games apiece.
In the NBA Playoffs, Steph Curry thirty six points, nine assists.
Golden State won a game without Jimmy Butler. He was
out after the fall. Golden State pretty much dominated the
last five minutes in beat Houston one O four to

(01:40:34):
ninety three, taking a two games to one lead in
this first round series. Denver won at the Clippers on
a dunk at the buzzer by Aaron Gordon one ninety nine.
That series tied at two. Russell Wilson did not play
due to a foot injury for Denver. Oklahoma City wins
one seventeen to one point fifteen at Memphis. Thunder sweep
the first round or four games to none. Grizzly star

(01:40:55):
John Morant was out with a bruised tip. Shake Giljess
Alexander thirty eight points in victory. Oklahoma City's record now
seventy two and fourteen overall, including this four game sweep.
Cleveland handed Miami it's worst ever playoff loss one twenty
four eighty seven. Caves had a thirty three to five
run in the first half. Calves up three games to none.

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Austin Hill won the Xfinity Race in the MLS Nashville
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Brice and De Shamba leads by one back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
Thank you very much, Steve Sager. Have a great evening.
Of course, The Saga will be back tomorrow with Arnie Spanier,
Chris Plank, The Gang, Mark Willard, et cetera. Fox Sports
Radio Era Tours, Jason Martin. We're taking up till two
am Eastern, Jay mart I do want to get some
other things, but it is worth noting really quick. Our
buddy Martin Weiss has tweeted some quotes from Schador Sanders

(01:41:54):
into my Twitter timeline. Just want to read a couple
of them to you so that everyone has a full
understand of the person that they've been rooting against, you know,
over the last couple of days. Quote number one. The
main thing I'm proving right now is that mister Stefanski
and mister Barry were right about picking me, and that
I'm a good draft pick. Quote number two. And if

(01:42:17):
he has any regrets about how he handled the pre
draft process. I feel like in life, there's always a
way I can improve. I'm able to improve, and some
of the things that I did seemed alright at the time.
I could have went about in a different way. Quote
number three. And if he thinks there's anything he did
in his interviews that could have caused him to drop
quote I think what happened was I had a great

(01:42:37):
interview and had a great process with the Browns, and
that's why they were able to pick me. So anything
outside the organization is really a non factor for me.
Right now, what a jerk? Oh my goodness. So you
had the same take I did. I mean, this kid
must kill puppies or kick puppies and whatever in his
spare time. I mean, I don't know, man, that's the

(01:42:58):
guy that everybody's rooting. Again, Staymart, that's the guy that
everybody's ready against.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
I think, Buddy, at least Sands too, because I can
tell you and I aren't know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
I think what happened was I had a great interview
and find the process with the Browns, and that's why
they were able to pick me. So anything outside of
this organization is really a non factor for me.

Speaker 3 (01:43:16):
Yeah, and look, that's that's exactly what you should say, Like,
now that he's been picked, the rest of it, just
let it go, Like, don't Nico Harrison this thing. There's
not there's no reason to go into detail on any
of that. We know, like clearly things didn't go well
in these interviews, like that's very readily apparent. And the
NFL wanted to make sure everybody understood that, and clearly

(01:43:37):
they do. But once the Browns took him, all right,
I mean, that's all that matters at this point. He's
a Brown how what the Saints think of him doesn't matter.
It matters to me because of who they took. But
regardless of that, now all he has to do is
go try to win a job, and the better he
sounds and the run up to it, the more coals

(01:43:58):
are going to be heaped on the head of those
that wanted to see him fail.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
Well, and I'll just add two quick things. Is one,
if the interview process was like the whole interview process
is about just saying the right thing, whether you believe
it or not. Right, So, whether he was actually that
bad in the interview process or not, he has either
learned a lesson or he's just doing what everybody else
did from the beginning, which is saying the stuff that
sounds right. And so listen, I'd say I'm rooting for him.

(01:44:24):
I don't think he needs my help. I think he,
like we said in the last segment, he's gonna win
the Cleveland Browns starting job sooner rather than later. Shador
Sanders as the Segre just told you the one hundred
and forty fourth overall pick in the twenty twenty five
NFL Draft really quickly. Jmart, you know, another take that
I kind of had as the draft unfolded is that

(01:44:47):
the Chicago Bears, now, yeh are just super interesting. I mean,
Ben Johnson comes in as a head coach, and even
before Ben Johnson got there, clearly a commitment to the
offensive side of the ball and to put Caleb Williams
in a position to succeed. We know last year they
took Roma Dunze, we know, you know some of the
offseason acquisitions that they made, They've taken offensive linemen in

(01:45:09):
previous drafts. Well, round one, the Chicago Bears take Colston Loveland,
the tight end out of Michigan. Producer bri and I
were just talking about Loveland versus Tyler Warren. Doesn't really matter.
The point I'm trying to make is that one of
the two, both of them have a chance to be
really special, and everybody liked both of them, and so
I just bring it up because another weapon for Caleb Williams,

(01:45:33):
excuse me. And then round two, you know, Luther Burden,
a guy that many people had projected as a first
round pick coming into the season, dealt with some injuries.
I know there was some quote unquote character concerns. I'll
leave that for another conversation. We've talked enough about character today.
But Luther Burden, who is a first round talent, goes
off the board at thirty nine, also in the first

(01:45:55):
round in offensive tackle out of Boston College. First three
picks on top of everything else that you've done for
Caleb Williams a tight end, a wide receiver, and offensive tackle.
I don't know how good Caleb Williams is, Jmart, but
I think he's gonna be pretty much out of excuses
if things don't go well this year.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
Yeah, I mean, yea. You mentioned this to me Friday evening,
and I basically talked about it last night when I
was in for Plank and I mentioned that it came
from you, and I agree, like you look at it,
he goes tight end Loveland, who we all like and
who seemed like he made every big catch. JJ McCarthy

(01:46:35):
needed him to, especially two years ago at Michigan, but
just has been a major force there. You can bring
him in, He's gonna be a pass catcher for you.
And then Luther Burden, who had like twelve hundred some
yards two years ago and then he kind of tailed
off last year, but I think that was a function
more of the offense just not being quite the same.
But you know what he's capable of. And then you

(01:46:55):
go get an offensive tackle that has had a lot
of starts at ballon college in his career, so you
give him protection, you give him two more weapons after
drafting him somebody last year, and you give him the
head coach that just had that incredible run in Detroit
as the offensive coordinator, a guy who knows the division
because he's been coaching in it for years and exactly

(01:47:18):
the antithesis of what you have with Matt Eberflus last year.
We all agree, at least this show does that that
guy should not have been coaching Caleb Williams last year.
That was Brandon Stay two point zero in terms of
wasting a year of someone's career, and it could have
been a massive setback for Caleb because he should not
have walked in with a coach that was, in my opinion,

(01:47:40):
a lame duck anyway, but somebody that was not likely
to maximize what he could do as opposed to getting
a fresh start with your new quarterback and a new
head coach with an offensive mind or at least having
the right system there. But now you bring in Ben Johnson,
who watched him last year and I think probably wants
to use him in every way imaginable, and then you

(01:48:02):
give him all these weapons on top of that, you
have to like it. But to your point, the pressure
is on Caleb Williams now because you're not gonna be
able to look around and say, well, it's the coach
and they don't have a good offensive philosophy. No no, no, no,
no no. At this point, Caleb's gonna have to put
up or shut up. Let's just get that's just how

(01:48:22):
it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
It is how it's gonna be. And by the way,
some of it, I should be fair, is going to
be on Ben Johnson, Like we'll see how he handles
the transition. But you know, if he's still calling plays,
I still feel confident in that ability. The only thing
I'll really add on the Caleb Williams and Chicago Bear
situation is I just love and this is something that
I think the last couple of years has really kind

(01:48:46):
of become a thing as we realize how important the
quarterback position is. I mean it's always been important, but
I mean there used to be so many quarterbacks that
just got drafted, that just had no chance because of
the coaching staff, because of the position they were in,
talent around him, whatever. And it feels like the last
two or three years, whether it was the Chargers with
Justin Herbert, whether it's Caleb Williams, I think even Bryce Young,

(01:49:09):
you know, draft wide receiver in the top ten for him.
You're putting these players, by the way, the Texans adding
Stefan Diggs last offseason, like all these young quarterbacks are
being put in position to have success. How about the
Green Bay Packers actually taking an offensive skill position player
in the first round. So I'm happy to see all

(01:49:30):
of these guys put in position to succeed. And now
it's on Caleb Williams. Now, it's on Jordan Love, now
it's on whoever it may be. But I'm excited to
see I'm excaded to see the Bears and see what
they become because there is a lot of talent, especially
on the offensive side of the ball. Really quick, since
we've referenced it a few times. I don't want to
go from positive to negative? Do you want to do

(01:49:50):
two minutes on Tyler Shuck?

Speaker 7 (01:49:51):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Do you want to do two minutes on Tyler Shuck?
And and we'll bring in Brie here in a second.
But I'll just say this because and I'll steal a
take from you. We've talked about all the winners, and
like the New Orleans Saints are the biggest loser because
there's probably well, let's put it this way, if Shor
Sanders turns into anything, it will probably almost certainly be

(01:50:14):
more than Tyler Shuck is. And I'll just be real, man,
I just don't get it. Twenty six years soon to
be twenty six years old, played seven years high school
class was in Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence, by
the way, same high school class as Justin Field, who's

(01:50:35):
now on his third NFL team. But yeah, played seven
years of college football, made it through two seasons healthy.
One of them was the COVID season in which he
only played seven games. Not only do I not get it,
but like the other thing about it is he might
actually have to play next year because we don't know
what that's going on with Derek Carr. It's just a

(01:50:57):
train wreck that I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
And I saw when I saw him get drafted. I
was like, man, I did not know that Josh McCown
was actually draft eligible right now, twenty six years old,
a rookie. And I saw what Kellen Moore had to say.
Kellen said, you know, Shador was right in those conversations
that we were having. We just felt like Tyler was
the right fit for us. I was like, Okay, I'm

(01:51:20):
gonna need you to explain. There are a lot of
people that I saw that said, oh, what a great
pick by the Saints. So I'm just like, dude, you
did not know that dude could walk in here with
a shirt that said my name is Tyler Shuck and
you would not be certain that that was Tyler Shuck
because four or five months ago, no one knew who

(01:51:41):
he was. And I'm obviously speaking, I'm not saying no
one on Earth, but by and large, a lot of
the people commenting I'm not talking about draft experts here,
I'm talking about lay people acting like they've watch You
have not watched four quarters of Tyler Shuck football at Louisville.
I fail to see where that rise came from. Dart.

(01:52:04):
He was talked about before the season, right, he was
like a twelve fourteen to one favorite to maybe be
the number one overall pick in those in the betting
odds that Shador was number one in He was right
there with cam Ward and some of these other guys
drew Allard by the way, it was twelve to one,
So that was interesting to note. But Tyler Shuck, like,
what did Louisville do last year? I mean, they were fine,

(01:52:25):
It wasn't anything particularly special. Tyler Shuck is going to
go into the NFL and he's going to play in
New Orleans and he's going to continue to make the
Saints kind of boring, like I don't see anything there.
And to me, that's where Sanders made the most sent
because put him indoors. If you think that his arm
is not all world elite, like he's not Josh Allen

(01:52:47):
out there, then don't put him in the weather. Go
ahead and put him indoors. I saw what was it
Matt Miller ESPN. I think his comparison for Shador, his
pro comparison was Jared goff irrespect that Gos's been pretty good.
Indoors if nothing else, he was pretty good in LA
in my opinion too. But he's actually obviously we know
what he's done with the Lions. You had a chance

(01:53:09):
to put Shador Sanders indoors where you've seen another guy
didn't have a huge arm and Drew Brees succeed pretty
well for a long time in the NFL, and you
took something named Tyler Schuff and Kellen Moore says, he
just felt like we just felt like he was our guy.
I hope you're right, man, because I think Schador will
look good in that Saint uniform. And I don't know

(01:53:29):
what to expect from Tyler Shuck. But you saw what
I texted you earlier. I said, I think Tyler Shuck's
a boss.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
Yeah, I just when I was going through the draft process.
Strikes me as a guy that we spent a reasonable
amount of time last few weeks talking about that literally
has zero impact in the NFL. Fox Sports Radio ertors
Jason Martin, we are broadcasting life from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. Will come back wrap the show. Still a
lot to discuss. Busy Sunday and sports. We discussed it
all next Fox Sports Radio Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports

(01:53:57):
Radio ertors Jason Martin broadcast live from the Fox Sports
Radio Studios. We are taking you up till the top
of the hour, eleven minutes to go until Bernie Fratto
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You know, Bernie's got the goods on everything that happened
over the last three days in the NFL Draft, NBA playoffs,

(01:54:18):
and much more.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
By the way, I wonder if he has moles. I
wonder if some of his moles have some Schadora intel. Well,
I'm not trying. I don't know, Like, I'm not trying
to tease this up for him, but I wouldn't doubt it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Yeah, Bernie has a lot of I was gonna say, yeah, One,
I'm sure he will be talking about it less than
eleven minutes from now to lead the show. But two,
as you and I both know, Bernie has sources and
moles all over sports and uh and the thing too
is I think a story of this magnitude. The thing
I love about Bernie He's gonna do his homework and
he's not just gonna go and just spit out hot

(01:54:55):
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(01:55:20):
brought up a great stat in our in our chat
earlier in the day, Tyler Schuck. We were just talking
about uh yeah, do not get it, but he will
almost certainly go down as the last player born in
the nineties to be drafted in the NFL Draft. He
was born in ninety nine. He is soon to be

(01:55:41):
twenty six years old. As we mentioned, he was in
the same high school class as Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields. So,
I yeah, congrats Saints fans. That's probably the guy that
maybe he's gonna be starting. I mean, I did just
say I think he's a guy that we probably largely
forget about pretty quickly, but he might be thrown in

(01:56:01):
the fire there. I mean, I'll say this in his defense,
much like shador In with the Cleveland Browns, Uh you know,
if he can play, he might have an opportunity to
do so early. So Tyler, Oh, that's true to producer's
prie point. Producer Bree refused to come on air to
talk about Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
She is on it's bothered by it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Yeah, it is a this is a what is it
not like a It's.

Speaker 6 (01:56:24):
A sore subject for me, especially because I do believe
in Spencer Rattler a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:56:28):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
Yeah, no, this is one of those please respect the
family's privacy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
That's difficult moment. Yeah, sorry, Brie, Brie is in morning.
I was gonna say, what is the thing? It's not
like like when you refuse to eat food or something
until something happens, or you know, like I refuse to
eat food. Yeah, she's on strike. She's on a Saint
strike until Tyler Shuck is not on the team. Hey,
good news is two or three years, he'll you know,
be in position to retire of just because he's he's

(01:56:56):
been playing too long. But yeah, Tyler Shuck is the
New Orleans Saints quarterback. Unbelievable stuff, tell you what, Jamar.
Let's talk a little bit on Sunday, busy day in
the NBA a couple interesting games, you know, Detroit, New
York Game three of that or game four, excuse me
of that series. The Knicks win a close, controversial Game

(01:57:18):
three on Thursday. It actually happened during most of the
NFL drafts, so I don't even know how much of
America saw it. But Detroit obviously is not won a
playoff series in many, many, many years. They will need
to win at home to tie up the series at
to a piece. Any strong takes on what's going to
happen in Detroit on Saturday afternoon, that's a one pm
Eastern start time, No.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
I mean, not really a strong take. I think the
Knicks win, but I'm pretty impressed anyway with Detroit, especially
with letting it slide out of their hands in Game one.
You kind of felt like, ah, man, I don't know
if you come back from this, and they come back
and they win in game two, and they're making this
really hard on the Knicks, and I just I think

(01:58:00):
they came in with house money a little bit anyway,
But I'm coming away with a lot of respect for
those players and what they are building there.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Cad Cunningham averaging twenty six points, eight and a half rebounds,
eight point seven assists, two steals through the first three
games in the series, The Big One, the Big One Saturday,
Sunday afternoon, three thirty Eastern Lakers down two to one.
Do they get the win over Minnesota?

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
I think they do. I haven't heard anything about Lucas
health today, but that probably means he's probably fine. I
just I don't think it's gonna be that easy to
knock the Lakers out if you're the t Wolves. I
just I feel like it'll probably This seems to be
a maybe a seven game series if obviously, if Minnesota wins,
I think the series is over. I just I had

(01:58:49):
the same feeling in Game two. I just felt like
the Lakers would win. It. Feel the same way about
Game four.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
Really quick. Boston lost last night, Boston loss on Friday night.
Any concern going into game game four or on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:59:01):
No other than they need to stop talking about how
Orlando is being physical. Just be physical back and stop
with this because no one has any sympathy for it.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Last game in Milwaukee, Indiana, but we got a guy get
out of here. Thank the crew. Mary Mack, producer, Brie
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