Andy Furman & Alex Furman discuss LSU falling to Vanderbilt, Penn State firing James Franklin, & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, all right, that's enough. The Collins News is
off the field. That's coming right. You heard it, you
heard it. He's Alex Furman. I'm Andy Furman. Yes, he's
my son, Pride and Joy. I don't know about that,
but we're live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. And
of course, uh, we're rolling right now. It's been a while,
you know, where have you been? It's been a while, you.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Know, it's been a while.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
It has been a while, Dad, three years, I think
since the last time, yesked me to be on the show.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
I see where I fall. It's Scott Shapiro ansty. I
have no control over.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Where I follow on your list of people to call,
and whenever you need help, I must be at the
very bottom of the list, Dad.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well close to it anyway. Bucky Brooks is not here today.
He's on assignment with the Jacksonville Jaguars. So Alex Firman
is here. I must have picked the bottom of the
barrel myself the low straw. But we're rolling along right now.
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Radio Web. Okay, for those that don't know you, and
maybe there's tons of people that don't know you, a
little bit about what you do, because you're the athlete
on this show right now. I'm the guy that catch

(01:20):
stats called newspapers with scores and things like that. But
you're the jock because you know a little bit of
pride coming out right now. You played football in college
as well as high school. You ran track, you wrestled,
so you're the athlete. Tell us a little bit more
about yourself here.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
I mean, yeah, so I've always been an athlete, and
I think it really just started when I was a
kid playing you know.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Backyard baseball, backyard football.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
I kind of developed the sense of competitiveness that you
know all athletes have, and kind of went into middle school,
high school, all the way up to my collegiate level
where I was playing college football. And you know that
it's that that drive is still there now now I
have nine month old daughter, and it shifted, right, You
know that competitiveness is now being the best father I

(02:06):
could possibly be.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
You know, instead, I'm still trying. I'm still trying.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
You're doing a really good job.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Back, You're doing a really good job. But yes, you
know a question I've never asked you before we get
into the meeting, potatoes, what would make you want to
come out and play football or wrestle and get hurt
and work and sweat and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I never had that desire.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
I went to the games. I wrote about them. I
send stories into newspapers.

Speaker 6 (02:30):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I went to the guy to the gym class in
high school, and I went to the basketball coach. I said,
I'll do your statistics. I'll travel with you. I'll call
in the schools after the games if you get me
out of gym class. I didn't want to do that.
I didn't want to go in the parallel bars and
the ropes. I figured to kill myself really and that's
what I did, So I didn't have that competitiveness. I
don't think, you know, why would you want to do
that and bust your button? Go to practice for two

(02:52):
hours after school every single day. I think.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
I think there's two types of people, right, I mean,
there's their numbers people.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
So maybe you're a numbers guy.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Do you like tracking the numbers, writing down the numbers
and then writing the stories. But I was like getting
down and dirty and into it. You know. I always
loved being physical, love being active, and I always just
love the game aspect, the team sport aspect too. Uh
So that's what I loved about football, But then I
love the individual sports. Also, wrestling was my most favorite
sport really, yeah, it really was. It really was because

(03:21):
it was just nothing but you and the guy in
front of you matching up. Yeah, one on one match up,
and then you know your only job is just to
pin them and put him on his back, and just
that challenge.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Trying to make weight. I mean, that's the craziest thing
in the world. Why would you want to make weight?

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Terrible? It's absolutely terrible. Oh yeah, no, it's terrible.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
You're skipping meals you don't eat, you know, Friday or Saturday. Uh,
but it's so much fun. It's all worth it at
the very end, it really is. It's all worth it
at the very end.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I would do it all over again.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
I want to change a thing. The only thing I
would change though. In high school I maybe would have
golfed golf. Yeah, I'm terrible golfer. I'm a terrible golfer now,
but maybe I should have golf the high school.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
It was easy. That's been a lot of fun. Let's
talk about this. Last Sunday, I go off the air
with Bucky. We get the news that Penn Stay fired
their football coach, James Franklin. He gets a copy of
the home game right now, all right, I was shocked
to an extent because I get it. But three weeks
prior to that, penns Day was number two in the country.
Last year they made the national semi finals. All right,

(04:24):
I'm scratching my head. And then they have to pay
a sixty nine million dollar buyout. So on the average,
this guy, James Franklin is making twenty two thousand dollars
a day.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
A day.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
He'll be doing that for six years. All right, Now
to me firing a coach in the middle of the season,
and there's some reasons why they say he got fired,
But fighting a coach in the middle of the season
and the college level, to me is like when you
go to school and your teacher's absent, you have the
substitute teacher, and when he turns his back, you're throwing
erasers at his head.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
I mean, it's chaos. I would think it's chaos when
you fire a coach.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Really, yeah, because half the squad saying it wasn't right,
half the squad's cheer. I mean, so it's not a
good situation, right. How surprised were you when Penn State
gave the acts to James Franklin.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
You know, I think at the end of the day, here, Dad,
it's ultimately the coach's fault, right, The coach's job. Franklin's
job was to prepare his team for those three games
and those three losses Oregon, Ucla, Northwestern they lost those games,
and ultimately it was on his back to the prayer
his team, and he didn't prepare his team. And I
think it was a culmination of a couple things, Dad,

(05:29):
those three losses, the drop in the ap polls, and
I think there was controversy even within the organization. I
don't even think they liked the way his media reaction
was to those three losses, and he said, well, yes,
it was my phills on my back. We got a
better prepared I think they want more meat and potato answers.
That's the reason why they're losing to teams like Northwestern

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by two points.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Well, look, I would say this Albert bridfrom Sports Illustrated
side dot com he had some reasons why James Franklin
at the Acts. Okay, obviously that had a three game
losing streak. They had Oregon, they had organ they lost
to that game. Okay, they lost the previous Wuess, UCLA, Northwestern.
Are you kidding? I mean, come on, that's that's a bleep.
I mean, that's that's bad. Okay, couldn't win the big games.

(06:14):
They were four and twenty win against top ten teams
and the expectations.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
That's the problem. Fans go crazy.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
And I think fans have a lot to say believe
it or not, because if the team doesn't win, what
do they do? They cancel their subscription for tickets. So
I think that's a problem right there. But They also
said that he had some of a personality that was
kind of.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
He'd rubbed you the wrong way.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
They didn't say it back then, but they're saying and
now after he got fired, and I look on the
sidelines and I see coaches that really are into it,
that have that motivation that kind of trickles down to
the team and it's just exciting. And the team was
to go through a brick wall for these guys. I
didn't see that with James Franklin. I never did.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Yeah, now we have to remember that, like twelve years ago,
where was Penn State. Twelve years ago, they were in
the middle of the scandal, They had this, they had
the things, they couldn't go to ball games.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Dad.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
They got Franklin in and he turned the season, or
the entire organization around, the entire football team around. In
two years they won the Big the Big Ten championship.
So I think I think it was a little premature
that they got rid of Franklin.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And I hate it when organizations fire coaches midseason.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
I agree, because it does absolutely nothing for the team
and for the organization the rest of the year. They
should have kept Franklin for the rest of the year
and see if he could have turned the team around,
turned the ship around, and at least tried to make
the team at least Bowl eligible.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Maybe, But more than that, you know, it creates chaos
because most of those kids came to that school not
so much for academics, but they came because they wanted
to play for James Franklin. Now it puts the question
walk to many people, including the players are on the squad,
do I want to stay here? They got the portal,
They could get into the portal and get out of there,
So I think it causes chaos, although with the portal,

(07:56):
roster has changed anyway. But Penn State yesterday after they
fired for Rankland, did make a difference with Terry Smith,
their interim coach. He blew a fourth quarter leader against Iowa.
They was twenty five to twenty four. So Penn State
now was three and four but alling four in the
Big Ten. And I said this several weeks ago, I
think to prepare to do a season in college football,

(08:16):
you have to play some meat early on. Yeah, and
when I saw their schedule and they played Villanova, really
I'm not saying, you know, the next snap I taken
college and me, my first I could play for Villanova.
Really yeah, I mean you've seen I'm not that bad.
I got good hands.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
The first three games of their season wasn't really meat
and potato games. They played Villanova, they played Nevada, I
think the first game, and there were blowout wins, and
it's kind of solidified. Sure, maybe they really are the
number two team in the country at the beginning.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Of the year.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
But to your point, they didn't really play any teams
with meat and potatoes, any real competition like an Oregon.
And you know when when push came to shows, they
felt they faltered. And it just seems that Franklin didn't
really prepare his team for those games.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And we talk about James Franklin on the sidelines, I
think you say a team takes after his coach. I
think that he was like lacka days ago on the sidelines.
He had that the look when a deer you know,
you're looking at deer in the eyes. I mean, he
had that look on the sidelines and the quiet opposite
one hundred eighty degrees. Let's look at coach Kurt Signetti
and Indiana. You look at Indiana right now, I would

(09:20):
have to say there's no one on that Indiana roster
that stands out to say, this guy's a tremendous player.
But as a unit, they played tremendous. They played tremendous defense.
Where they did to Oregon in Eugene, Oregon two weeks
ago was unbelievable. Really, Indiana, right now they give him
an eight year contract for ninety three million dollars. I'm
not gonna go with the money route because if their
money is disgusting. And by the way, as an aside

(09:42):
to that, I understand TV plays a lot of the freight.
I understand that. But don't you think that with these
salaries the coaches aregainting. Don't you think that the admissions
are going to be a lot higher for students to
go to these schools.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
Don't you think I think the emissions will be hired
going to the schools. But I think they got him
eight years for ninety three million just so they can
keep on.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
No, they don't want him going anywhere else.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
They don't because he was a contender to go to
Penn State and it made me replace Franklin, right, But
Indiana doesn't want him to go because of what he's
been doing what he did for the program. His record
last year and certainly his record going into this year,
and being teams like oar Agon. They're a fire team,
and he's one of those coaches kind of like a
Dan Campbell dad.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
You know, he.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Fires up to doubt and these kids want to go
through a brick wall for this guy.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I mean, honestly, he came to Indiana, brought a lot
of his players from his previous schools that James Madison
I believe it was, and before that, Tom Allen was
the coach in Indiana for three years. He was not
in twenty seven. Indiana was always known as a basketball school.
They're a football school now. And I would say this,
and the landscape of college football right now, I think
it's Ohio State, and after that it's somewhat open, and

(10:48):
I think Indiana is right there. The shame of it
is that Indiana's in the same conference as Ohio State.
Although like I would say, Ohio State is a possibility
to win a national title. Don't think they will because
it's Ohio State right now, and after that or go
maybe Miami of Florida, and after that, it's just the
rest of the field. I mean, honestly, with the eighteen
teams in the Big Ten right now, I don't see

(11:08):
the Big Ten maybe getting four teams in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I really don't see that now. I might have to
agree with you maybe three teams. But talked about Miami.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
They lost to.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Louis Louisville the other week, So I love This is
what I love about college football. Every week is so
different from the previous week, and everyone has a prediction.
All you know, Miami is going to be a contender
for the national title, and then it goes and loses
to Louisville right at home, and it's just changes the dynamic,
changes the storyline for everything else.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
I absolutely love it. But the biggest story yesterday and
you're talking about losing, what about Brian Kelly at LSU.
I mean, and I'm not going to say, how do
you lose to Vanderbilt? Because Vanderbilt was favored in that game?
All right, Vanderbilt beats him yesterday thirty one to twenty four.
And right now, I think with that loss LS he
was five and two, two and two in the SEC,
and I think there are chances of postseason play are
going down the crapper right now. But Brian Kelly right now,

(11:59):
the story right now nationally is like Brian Kelly and
what is his buyout clause? And no one's giving any
props to Vanderbilt. I mean, what that school has done
is somewhat amazing. It really is.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
No it is.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I say I'd say this every week. Don't ever
put an SEC school down. No matter what the school is,
the school is in the Southeastern Conference. That's the strongest
conference in my opinion, in college more it's big ten.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Now, well, I think it's a big time.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
I still say the SEC is probably the strongest conference.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Okay, it might be the most competitive, but it's not
the strongest. And there's a difference I think.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Okay, all right, fine, the most competitive.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
But regardless whatever team you're playing in the SEC, they're
going to show up that week for a great game.
And it doesn't matter if you're Florida, if you're Vanderbilt,
or if you're Alabama.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
That team's gonna show up and play.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
And a coach like Brian Kelly, you have to prepare
your team no matter who's on the other side of
the field. And maybe he just didn't prepare this team
for a strong Vanda Bild team.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
I think there comes a time and everybody's life, no
matter what job you do, you get somewhat burnt out.
You go through the motions and you're not hungry anymore.
You know, you get up in the morning, you just
go through the motions. Said, Look, Clark Lee, the coach
at Vanderbilt, right now, he's got to be the happiest
guy in the world after Indiana signs Kurt Signety to
that big contract. Because Vanderbilt right now, they're going to

(13:18):
get their alums and the alumni people, the athletic department'rena
get together this.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Look, we got to keep this guy. We got to
keep them over here.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yesterday against LSU, Vanderbilt had the offensive wall thirteen minutes
more than LSU. And again, if you were to tell
me that LSU's gonna lose to Vanderbilt, I mean a
lot of people probably lost money in that game too,
although Vandy was the favorite.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Right and you're talking about Brian Kelly being on a
hot seat. I said earlier this year that this is
the year that Brian Kelly has to do so no
to LSU. And LSU has a tradition of winning and
always has had a tradition of winning. Now he's been
with the program coming up to four years now, dad
And at the beginning of the year, they interviewed him
and said, Brian, what are you thinking about this year

(13:57):
or what can you project for us? And this is
he said that this was the team that was going to,
you know, fulfill the LSU football right. He's this is
the team that he's felt the most confident with. The
culture that he's built around is finally there. He went
into the portal heavy and recruited players. So ultimately Brian

(14:17):
Kelly thinks that this is the year for LSU. But
and you're losing to teams like Vanderbilt like this and
not not taking control of the controllables, it's not looking
good for him. Brian Kelly is on the hot seat,
no doubt, and he's been on the hot seat for
maybe the past two.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
Or three years.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And I'll say this, the fact that James Franklin got fired,
it's gonna wake up a lot of athletic directors had
alumni as well, and they're gonna say, hey, you know,
Franklin's gone. They're paying him out sixty sixty nine million dollars.
I mean Brian Kelly's got to be looking over his
shoulder and said, look, you know what happened to him.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
It could happen to me.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
It could happen to anybody, no doubt. I mean, right
after Franklin, it was you know, the coach for Virginia,
Virginia Tech. Well, they're talking about Florida right right, They're
talking about Wisconsin with Lou Fickle. I mean, all these
coaches are now starting to come out of the woodwork Dad,
and their name is kind of on the chopping blocking.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
It's all about expectations, it really is.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
That's what it is. I mean, and we've seen that.
But I've learned something over the years. I mean, believe
it or not, I did. I've learned something. Everybody says
that it's about the portal, it's about buying players. I'm
not so certain it's like that.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
I really am.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I think it's about the coaching. I think coaching makes
a big difference. But look at the teams that are successful.
They have coaches that are in your face, coaches that
are aggressive, coaches that tell players to do this. I mean,
they respect them. And I see that in the National
Football League, the teams that are really doing well. Have
coaches that turn programs right as the coach players.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
That are same.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I don't think there's much of a difference. And you
could tell me this though. I don't think on the
college level. You know, yes, there's a difference between the
subdivision and college and the big conferences. There's a difference
in plays, size, hide, speed, whatever it may be. But
I don't think in the National Football League not that
much of a difference between players and teeth the team.
If you're good enough to play in the NFL, you're
good enough to play in the NFL. And we've seen

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players going from one team to another and all of
a sudden they blossom because the coach that they have.
I believe that now. I believe that too. I think
I mean the.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Coaches are there to build culture for the team, No doubt,
coaches are also there to teach the x's and o's.
You can have a number one quarterback, a star quarterback
who throws at sixty yards fifty yards, however it may be.
But if he doesn't have the fundamentals to be a
good quarterback, he's a bad quarterback, no matter how fast,
no matter how far he throws the ball. He has

(16:30):
to have a coach behind him that can develop him.
So the coaches are important, but certainly the athletes too
are important. That so I think the portal is important
and the talent of the players are important as well.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
That okay, So it's about having the checkbook to sign
the players. But also you have to be small enough
to say, can this player play at our level? If
you're going a level down to bring him in there,
and can I coach him?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Right?

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Can you coach him? And I think that's a difficult situation. No,
the fans lose out on that because I used to
love to see a kid develop as a freshman and
see what he's going to be as a senior.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
That doesn't happen anymore much. It doesn't, Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I told about another coach that I think is getting
a bed rap because it doesn't happen overnight. I'm talking
about Bill Belichick and North Carolina. They lost the cal
and it was a heartbreak, it really was. And right
now they're two and four. They lost Friday night, and
he's getting some heat, but he's getting heat on ridiculous things.
He's getting heat and stories about Jordan Hudson, his girlfriend
of what he's like twenty seven, twenty eight years older

(17:26):
than on the hot mic. It's crazy, is that what
people want to see? Is that what people want to read?
I mean, it's just hot topic, it's just clickbait.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
Dad.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
If you know what clickbait is, it's it's just this.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Clickbait? Wild story? Well will come on what clickbait?

Speaker 5 (17:43):
No?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I think it's it's just that, and it's just.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
A way for people to get to get a click
in and look at the views, you know, and you
know what's going on over there with with Bill Pelichuck.
I think it's it's just another classic example of putting
all your eggs in one basket, and in this case
the hands of the great mind of producing coach. They
expect him to make magic over there at North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
And it's a joke.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
I think it's an absolute joke. We're seeing the same
thing with the Titans and cam Ward. But you know,
that's a different topic. What I'm saying that is that
I hate it when when people and programs think that
they can hire on this one individual and they can
turn the tides of this entire program within less than
six months. India but Indiana did it, doesn't it. That's

(18:28):
that's a one off situation. We call that an outlier
in the world. The statistics, Dad, In a normal world,
it takes two to three years to build a fundamental program,
to build with culture, to build with I agree with you.
And the fact that they think that happens overnight is complete.
It's a complete joke, Dad.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
But the fans think it's gonna happen overnight. The day
they hired Bill Belichick, they said, here we go, We're
gonna win.

Speaker 7 (18:51):
And I was.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
I bought in.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I thought they'd win seven or eight games this year.
I don't think it's gonna happen right now. And now
he's got to defend himself about his exit strategy. I mean,
he's saying it's false, he's not gonna leave. I don't
think he's gonna leave. I think he's he wants to
really finish the job over there and get it done
and turn it around again. I think there's a lot
of media people that are taking pot shots at Bill
Belichick because the way Bill Belichick treated the media when

(19:15):
he was in the National Football League coach of the
PAIP Don't you think.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, No, I think that, but you know, he just
has so much light on him right now. It's tough.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
I'm sure it's tough for him. But you know, Bill,
he entered the program at the beginning of the year
with so much media hype already. But there's seventy new
players in the transfer portal that he was able to
pick up. Not everybody wanted to see, you know, everyone
wanted to see the team turn around immediately to a
championship caliber team. But I just don't think that's simply
a possible, Dad, And I think what he needs to

(19:44):
do is just keep his head down and just keep
on coaching the way that he's going to be coaching,
you know, try to produce a win. There's a lot
of things that I think it is a little bit
out of control. The fumbles on the field, like the
other game, right you can't you have to coach against that.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
But what is he going to do.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
He's not the player out there on the field, you know,
throwing the ball or fumbling the ball. I'm concerned about this.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
People talk about the term legacy, they say, well, what's
Bill Belichick's legacy gonna be? Wait a second, I'm gonna
tell you right now, you know, for those people who
talk about legacy, I'll tell you what it is.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
He's the greatest coach ever to coach in the National
FOOTBA League.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
That's his legacy, all right, No, I absolutely believe it
at that. We'll leave it at that. Okay, he's Alex Firman.
I'm Andy Furman. You could get me at Andy Furman
FSR or eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox eight
seven seven nine nine six sixty three sixteen nine eighty. Bri,
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Could you tell everybody how to get involved with Ask Galx?

Speaker 8 (20:36):
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Speaker 2 (20:44):
That sounds great. Okay, We're rolling along for another hour
and a half or so, and now we know why
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should be. And Alex and I are live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios. Now listen into this. I got
a question for you. Yesterday Texas Tech lost. They lost
to Arizona State twenty six, twenty two. However, this little
controversy there was Texas Tech they say could face a
six figure fine and in game penalty from the Big
Twelve Conference if fans keep on tossing tortillas on the

(22:43):
on the field.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Have you heard about that tortilla? What is that tortilla tossing?

Speaker 4 (22:47):
Yes, I actually had to do some research into this one, Dad,
and it seems to be a tradition over there at
Texas Texa throw tortilla shells onto the field.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Now get this last.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
Both Texas Tech and Kansas where fire after Texas wins
over the Jayhawks. But even before the twenty five Seeds
and members of the Big Twelve Conference did a fifteen
to one vote to strengthen the conference's policy on throwing
objects onto the field. Now, this new policy states that
teams receives a warning for the first two violations of

(23:20):
throwing stuff onto the field, and then after that.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's fifteen yard personal penalties after that.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
And I guess if you ever done that, throw totilla?

Speaker 4 (23:29):
Oh gosh, no, okay, now, why would I have a
tortilla out of the football team.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
But it's a lot better than what they did in
the WNBA, what they were throwing on the court. I
don't want to go down that road.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
But you know, this isn't the first time, Dad, that
we know, we've seen conferences kind of penalized schools for
what the fans doing, or even during or after the game.
You have to remember, I think it was last year
in the SEC Conference when Vanderbilt beat Arkansas and they
ripped down the goal post and maybe Alabama they ripped
down the goal post and they carried it through the
streets of Nashville and dumped it in the river, right,

(24:01):
you know, So it's it's.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Not the first time we're seeing students do these crazy things.
Alcohol does strange things. Oh yeah, did you even know that?

Speaker 7 (24:09):
All?

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Right, let's talk about a coach right now who knew
he could predict the future. I'll talk about Mike tom And,
the coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He knew, I guess
what the outcome was going to be. Thursday night, his
game against the Cincinnti Bengals in Cincinnati, Gouse. Earlier in
the week, he was questioning why the Cleveland Browns would
trade their quarterback who started an opening day Joe Flacco,
to the Cincinnti Bengals. Coach tell us about that a

(24:30):
little bit old.

Speaker 6 (24:31):
Mike, you know, to be honest, it was shocking to me.
Andrew Berry must be a lot smarter than me or us,
because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a
quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening
day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area.
But that's just my personal feeling.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
He knew.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I guess he knew.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I guess he was afraid of face Joe Flacco. I
mean there was, you know, Mike Tomlin there and Flacco
was super. Bengals win the game thirty three thirty one
and Flacco was thirty one for forty seven, three hundred
and forty two yards to three touchdowns. I mean, here's
a guy that basically came into town a week ago Tuesday,
and like he's playing like he's been there for years.
It's great, but he's got eighteen years under his belt. Yeah,

(25:09):
he does have eighteen years underneath his belt, and I
kind of forgot that. I mean, he's a Super Bowl
winning quarterback MVP.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
But it's kind of funny that, you know, with Mike Tomlin,
maybe he was just asked about it, but why would
he care? Why would he care what the what the
Browns are doing. He just needs to be focusing on
the Steelers and not listen to the other noise that's
going around. And maybe he has his own thoughts.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Who the heck cares?

Speaker 7 (25:36):
Dad?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Who the heck cares? I agree with you, But in
his way.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
When he lost Thursday night against the quarterback that he
was talking some smack about.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
When I didn't go to the game, but I watched
it on TV and Mike tom when they had the
camera on and he looked like he was just staring
at the space. I mean, you look shell shocked. He did,
and I would be shell shocked too, But the way
that they ran over him. And of course, obviously what
Jamar Chase did it was amazing, but we'll get to
that in a second. But strange, not so much what
he said, the fact that Mike Tomlin never ever comments

(26:05):
about opposing teams never. So it was a first it
was a first film. But what about Jamar Chase? Could
you say right now that he might be the best
receiver in the National Football League? Sixteen passes for one
sixty one he was, he was the game.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
He broke that back.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
He's certainly up there, and he's carrying the weight of
the team and certainly the weight of the team during
that win on Thursday night. Sixteen passes for one hundred
and sixty sixty one yards.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Dad, I love it.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
And it looked like it seemed like Joe Flacco and
Jamar and Chase, Uh, they were just like playing backyard football, right.
It seems so effortless. And Flacco has been on the
team for only ten days.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. Yeah, And people question, why would
the Cincinnati Bengals get Joe Flacco when you know there's
other quarterbacks out there, Jameis Winston. Perhaps I mean, whatever
it may be, they knew, they knew that a he went,
he knew the division, be the experience he had and
see a guy that started opening day for Cleveland. But
more than that, two years ago, Cleveland got him off

(27:05):
the couch and he came right in and played. He
did the same thing here in Cincinnati. But you know what,
there's a story to be told, and you might not
know that because you're not old enough. Back in nineteen
seventy two, all right, nineteen seventy two, or Olmarle quarterback
replaced quarterback Bob Greasy for the Miami Dolphins. Who's back
on October the fifteenth, nineteen seventy two. That was in
the fifth game of the season against the San Diego Chargers,

(27:26):
if the Greasy suffered a broken leg. And this is
what Romarle did for that Dolphin team. Omar was thirty
eight years of the age at the time, so Flacco's
forty okay. He took over, led the Dolphins to victory
in their final eleven regular season games and their first
two playoff games, and it gave the Miami Dolphins that
perfect season in nineteen seventy two. He preserved that perfect season.

(27:46):
So maybe Joe Flacco could lead just get them competitive
enough to get into the playoffs. And maybe when Joe
Burrow could come back in December, and who knows, what
could happened. Bengals could be dangerous, who could Who knows?
But I think I think we're gonna need a little
bit more lucked than that.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
Honestly, I'm still worried about Baltimore and the Ravens when
comes back, When when Lamar comes back, They're they're going
to come in and I think the next couple of games, Dad,
They're gonna have a really good chance of taking ownership
of those games and getting themselves back into the talk
of the visional title. I think I think the Ravens
are still a contender, even I agree where whether at

(28:27):
right now. But they're banged up though, But they're banged up.
But after this bye week, their healthy players are going
to be coming back. Lamar's gonna be coming back. They're
going to be facing some blow average teams, if you will,
and I think that that's what that's when the tide's
going to turn for them.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
I want to go behind the curtain a little bit
with the Cincinnati Bengal team in the game what happened
on Thursday night. Number one, Zach Taylor right now should
take Joe Flacco and like put him in a cage
and let know no one near him. I mean, Joe
Flacco is gonna save Zach Taylor's job because the rumors
had it that Zach Taylor not have gotten fired, but

(29:00):
he would have got close to it. Yeah, we know,
maybe one foot in the grave. Four game losing Street
didn't make the playoffs the last two years. I mean,
there were some questions out there and now all of
a sudden that took a lot of heat off them.
That's number one. That's one story. The second story is
Jake Browning. Okay, I saw him on the bench right
next to Joe Burrow was there, and of course Joe Flacco.

(29:22):
This was a contract year for Browning. He could have
had it made. He comes in there and plays like
he did two years ago. He gets a big fat contract,
maybe the starting quarterback next year. He's finished, don't you think?
But right now, who's going to pick him up? The
only the only way he'll play is if Joe Flacco
does faulters or gets hurt.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Yeah, certainly I think this this gives reason for the
Cincinni Bengals to kind of scratch their head about Browning
and just are they going to keep him for the
for the future, and what they're going.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
To do about about that q the QB number two spot.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Certainly, he didn't do himself any favor verse when he
was running the ship and running the offense. But who
did to him? He said, it's really not all on
one guy. I kind of agree with that, you know,
I kind of agree with that. We don't have the
strongest offensive line. Let's be honest here. Thursday he was
only sack twice, But we don't have a very strong

(30:19):
offensive line. Our running game didn't develop until last Thursday's
game either. But that's beside the point. But it's Jake
Browning throwing those interceptions, no doubt. You know, it's Jake
Browning overthrowing or taking those sacks, you know, or throwing
it into the dirt. Right, It's no one else other
than Jake Browning. He's kind of he's too, but he
took ownership. He said it was on him, he did,

(30:41):
but then he started blaming the others. You know, he's saying, well,
it's not all on me.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
I gave a lot of credit because offense when they
brought him flakoh, and he got finished. He met with
the media, where the other players are cowards. I don't
talk to him, they run. He faced the media. I
give him credit for that. I give him credit for that.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
All right, Fine, So I still don't have a lot
of finis with this team. I really don't like.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Did Jets play next week in Cincinnati? The Bengals should
win that game. You just don't know, you know what
you don't.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Know, And that's the kind of thing about being a
Cincinnati Bengals fan. You honestly you never know what team
is going to show up on that day. I think
with this win in primetime against the Steelers, a divisional win,
I think it's going to give them a little bit
of momentum, a little bit of win in their sales,
if you will, and hopefully, uh, you know, kind of
shows the team the potential that they can't be. They

(31:31):
can be a very solid, formative team. They just have
to play as a unit and just put all their
ducts in and get or get the ball in Jamar
Chase's hands. You're right, you know, but they they can
play very well, uh, they just have to They just
have to be consistently about it, you know. And that's
that's the thing about the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
We're talking hot seats right now. I mean, obviously you're
on one. That's okay, But uh, Brian Kelly, we talked about,
we talked that about maybe Mike McDaniel, coach of the
dolphins's in the hot seat. What about the coach of
the Arizona the Cardinals that we got to, Jonathan Gannon.
Cardinals are hosting the Packers today. Packers are three one
to one and the Cardinals are two and four. But
this this clown, Jonathan Gannon, I mean, he went four
and thirteen, four and thirteen and twenty twenty three, eight

(32:11):
and nine last year. He had a comment this week.
This really didn't help. It came Wednesday. He was asked
during this press conference about learning to control his emotions
as a coach, and they replied two thousand and seven,
when our quarterback went to jail. He was talking about
Michael Vick. I mean, why would you bring that up.
I mean, these people say things. I mean, you know,
I understand you got ten million things going on in

(32:32):
your head. I get that you're worried. You're worried about
your job. Calm down, he's feeling the heat. He's got
to be feeling the heat. He has to be. Come on.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Yeah, I listened to that that and it made no
sense to me, and I don't think it made any
other sense to any person in that conference room. I mean,
going to the Cardinals, it's a poor start to the
twenty five season, after promising to and no start. They've
dropped the last four straight games, right, giving them a
two to four record now and they're at the bottom

(33:00):
of the NFC West right now.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
He's gone.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
The team has a failure to close out games. Arizona
became in the first team in NFL history to lose
three straight games on walk off scores.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Dad, that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
That's never happened for And there's so much controversy now
within the Cardinal organization, the sideline controversy. He was fined
one hundred thousand dollars by the team for making contact
with the running backs.

Speaker 3 (33:26):
He should have suspending.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
He should have been suspended, right, you know, yes, Sissy,
I mean what last week?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
What do you think about it? I thought maybe the
player should sue the coach. He was attacked. He headed
the coach had him right.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah, it's it's as a player, you kind of stop
and think, you know, it's tough to play for.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
A coach like that. That no doubt about that, no doubt.
Kind of like working with you.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Tough, tough all right.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
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(34:10):
you really do. It's ask Alex this time and it's next,
all right, I asked Gallas. Coming right up, Alex is
Alex Furman sitting there for Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Ferman
with a Life of the Fox Sports Radio studios. And
before we go to ask Gallus, we gotta call it.
David in Kansas wants to talk to Alex on Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 11 (34:25):
Hello David him my name is David, I live in Kansas.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
I said that.

Speaker 11 (34:32):
Yeah, well, I was born in nineteen forty three, so
I got to hear all about baseball before it even
hit the television, and when it did, I had some
real favorites like Walter Austin, Casey Steingle, Yogi Verra, Mickey
Now and of course really me was the favorite of us.

(34:55):
But anyway, I just wanted to compliment you two guys
on this wonderful show it is. It is absolutely sadulous
to hear you, and I can't tell you how much
I appreciate you're both. You're both very knowledgeable about what
you know and what you speak, and so I just
I just hope you I hope you can talk to

(35:17):
the higher ups and have them I already told your
producers that you guys need to make this a regular.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Thing, and you thank you.

Speaker 11 (35:25):
And I just have one criticism, however, since I was
born and raised in South Dakota, I think you guys
talk funny.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Thank you. I've been told that before. All Right, another
satisfied custom Another all right, Bray, let's go, we got
to ask gas.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
Let's hit it all righty.

Speaker 8 (35:50):
So this is from Chris on Twitter as a Cincinnati
Pro sports fan, did Andy pass on the Cincinnati fandom
misery to you? And and then he asked me a
question about my fandom But we don't need to talk
about that. But yeah, so since Andy pro sports, did
Andy pass that on to you?

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Alex? Yeah, I mean he did as a kid.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Yeah, Dad, Remember as a kid, he always took me
to the games, to the baseball games, to the football games,
even to a lot of college games too. So, you know,
at the very beginning of my life, I was introduced
to like you see sports, you see basketball, you see football.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
We go down the Nippers stadium one game, it was
told Toledo one time.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Yeah, we were right there in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
It was great.

Speaker 7 (36:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
So at the very beginning, Dad introduced me to Cincinnati sports.
And honestly, I've been heartbroken ever since.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
All Right, I got a question. Do you have another question?

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Do you have one for him?

Speaker 4 (36:41):
No?

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (36:41):
Oh yeah, I said, if you had to compare your
dad to like a sports figure, Dad, between like LeVar Ball,
Dion Sanders, marv Renovich, who would he resemble the closest
to Oh.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
My word, you know, I'll be honest with you. I
have no idea who Marvi is. But I'll have to
go with Dion Sanders, hey for USC in nineteen born
in nineteen thirty nine. I think that's where way before
I was no Deon Sanders. He seems they always cared
about his boys. And you know my dad is no different.
He's always cared about my brother and I.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
But you know, maybe Dad will get you like a
cowboy hat, get you some Deone Sanders sunglasses like that.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I think you look good?

Speaker 2 (37:13):
You think? Yeah? All right?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
I got a question for you.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
The ANC DOUBA that, considering the approval of its student
athletes now legally gambling on pro sports now they could
use that nil money to play spits. What are your
thoughts about that?

Speaker 5 (37:26):
No?

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Absolutely not. First off, how are they going to enforce it?

Speaker 4 (37:29):
How are they going to going to corrack every single
player and see if they're betting on professional or or
collegiate sports.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
And I think it ruins the integrity of the game,
into integrity of competition.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Now.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
I love what betting has done for sports dat I
really do.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
It's why because it's heightened the sports, the coverage, the media, everything,
It's just elevated.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
It creates why.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
It creates a lot of questions, a lot of shops
passing the end zone. This didn't I know, I know exactly,
and it.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Does he have something to do with it, right, But
to introduce it back down to the college kids, college athletes. Man,
that's the slippery slope that I don't want to go down.
Bring you got another question I see for him?

Speaker 3 (38:11):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (38:12):
Which team has caused you more pain over the years?
The Bengals or the Reds?

Speaker 4 (38:17):
You know, the Bengals have caused me more pain. But
at least it's quick, in dramatic, it's like getting dumped
to be a text dad. But the Reds, honestly, it's slow.
It's lingering, it's heartbreaking. It's like watching your house plants
die because of the hundred and sixty two games.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Slow death.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
I tried. I tried to keep him alife. Right, Oh man,
all right, here's one. The colleges have weekly polls in football.
We love it, right, creates great fat of great interest,
great conversation. Okay, should the NFL move to announce weekly
polls for their teams? Although a match up between the
Jets and the Saints could be embarrassing to say what
they're ranked in the poll.

Speaker 4 (38:53):
But it wouldn't be a bad idea, right, Yeah, I
think it's a good idea. I think it's fun. I
think it increases conversation, and uh, it increases coverage, and
I'm down for it.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Why not, Dad?

Speaker 10 (39:05):
Why not?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
All right?

Speaker 9 (39:06):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Bree, one last one?

Speaker 8 (39:08):
If you could switch your fandom and become a fan
of any other team, who would you switch over to?

Speaker 7 (39:13):
And why?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
I probably jumped ship to? Uh maybe the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Not because I'm chasing rings like a bandwagon or at
the jewelie store swift. No, because they somehow have cracked
the coat of being consistently exciting without destroying their fan
base every Sunday, Dad, Okay, Yeah. And plus the fans
they get to enjoy postseason football without needing therapy afterwards.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
So plush.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
That always sounds nice and fun. Calm down, you're still
on the hot seat. Calm down, all right? Our number
one of the books he's Alex from and he's Info
Bucket Brooks. I'm ay for And by the way, to
be number one, to be number one anywhere, but to
be number one is to be cursed. We'll talk about
that and so much more. We're right here on Fox
Football Sunday on Fox Sports Radio coming up.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Next, do listen, No Fox, Oh not for this.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
I'm getting sick. I'm getting norse. I'm losing my edge
when I hear this. All right, Alex Ferman in for
Bucket Brooks. I'm in the firmanent went broadcasting live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios. And before we get to Josh,
Josh is in New York. He's gonna talk to us
for a second.

Speaker 7 (40:15):
Why.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
He's got gonna life, gotta do something better than wanting
to talk to us. But that's okay, we appreciate it.
We got to give a shout up because I heard
Steve de Sega doing the sports updates at the top
of the hour and he didn't mention the University of
Cincinnati bear cast going undefeated in the Big twelve to
four and oh six and one overall, spanking Oklahoma State
last night forty nine seventeen. You got to give them
a shout out. They really do because coach Satafield that

(40:38):
you see kind of on the hot seat of the
warm sea, not the hot warm turning it around. I'm
happy for them, happy for those kids. I really am yeah, No,
certainly happy with them. I'm a five to one right now,
six and one, six and one right now. And uh,
I don't know, do you see them as a conference
champion or well, Texas Tech lost yesterday, They're undefeated in

(40:59):
the conference. They got a show. They gotta stay believing themselves.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
They're in the talks, right, the talks, which is more
than what we can ever ask for, you know, out
of the you see rank twenty four.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Really happy. You know, if you would have told me
years ago that you see would be a playing Oklahoma State,
be beating Oklahoma State two years ago, they were listening
by thirty something, right, I mean this, this is great
the way they turned it around. And I'm happy, I
really yeah, And I like this is kind of.

Speaker 4 (41:22):
The reason why I like schools like Cincinnati hopping up
into these bigger conferences, right, because it increases the level
of play for the interests and interest for the fans,
but it increases the level of play for the for
the program.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Right, it's going to recruit better players.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
And for the city. It's good for the city, no
doubt about that. Josh is in the city, the big city,
the Big Apple. Josh here on Fox Sports Sunday, Fox
Sports Football, Fox Sports Radio, all of them with Alex Furman.

Speaker 7 (41:49):
I'm actually in the place where there is more apples
than the Big Apple. I'm just north of in Westchester County,
New York, and I just want to say something before
I get to the meet be tato is college football,
professional football. I'm a form of a historian. I just
like to tell everybody that there is an equivalent to
what Otani did. Yesterday nineteen seventy one Philadelphia, Philly. Rick

(42:12):
White pitched a no hitter and smacked two home runs
in that game. I can't think of having like a
better game and throwing a no hitter and smacking two
home runs.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
You know what, You're exactly right. But the point is
O'shanni was on a bigger stage. That was the key
playing for the Dodgers. I think that's the difference.

Speaker 7 (42:31):
Well, you gotta remember Rick, why is only bats like
once a week and I don't want to get to
watch it do But that was a great mom and
also that helped the Phillies win the World Series because
that went to They traded Rick wise. Maybe they thought
he could hit a lot of home runs and throw
no hitters and to Steve Calton. The rest is history there.

(42:51):
And Pete Rows helped out too with that team. You know,
some you look at college football and some of these teams,
I think the pool is a big thing because you
can rebuild on the fly. Now, a lot of these
kids that the coach looks out of the wrong way.
He's in the portal and he's on his way to Michigan,
Ohio State, Alabama. I mean, isn't like years ago. Uh,

(43:12):
when I was very young, I was like seven eight
years old, I was watching college football. I remember the
USC used to win the title. Like every year, these
guys whould go to USC. They'd walk around the campus
for two years. They have seventy credits. No no teacher
ever couldn't identify him in you know, and ID looked
out ra.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
You know why, I'll tell you why. Because USC was
doing the nil deal before the nil became legal. They
were paying those players under the table, right, that's what
they were doing. Right.

Speaker 7 (43:40):
The old joke is why didn't Luel send to go
to the APA because the UCLA was going to paying
them off? C LA the thing, you know, And it's
funny too, and you see the USC was winning college
baseball championships too. They're you know, coach day, listen to
the US see. I mean, like I said, you walk

(44:01):
around that campus graduating four years and not one teacher
to put you pick you out in the line up there.

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Listen.

Speaker 7 (44:08):
They had some great running backs come out of the USC,
right and you know we can name right off the
top of our hats there. But listen, the portal has
a lot to do with it. The play is getting
paid now for their advertisements and all that other stuff.
And I think it's actually better for professional football that
a kid who's who should be starting is lingering on

(44:31):
the bench does the coach doesn't have the brains to
put them in, or they guarantee playing time to some
other kids. So the kid leaves, he goes to another
big time college and he's playing, and we're getting to
see more better players play that way.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I'm going to let your roll and I'll leave you
with this, and I thank you for the call. The
portal is a great thing, but if you don't have
the check with the pay the kid that's coming from
the portal, he's not going to be at your school.
I'm not so certain, Alex. Can you tell me if
I'm right on that or wrong on this one. Say
a kid as Josh men your kids the bench, he's
not playing.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
What's going on other school.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
He's in the portal. But if that school is not
going to pay him as as School A and School
B is gonna pay him more and he may not
play as much or at all, he's gonna go to
school beef.

Speaker 3 (45:10):
With a bigger check, don't you think? Yeah he will.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
But you know some with the portal, it benefits both
the school and the players. So there's instances where the
portal's going to benefit the school and benefit the program.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
But there's also instances.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Where the portal where players will enter the portal and
they're doing it for themselves. A player will enter it
into the portal and maybe go down a conference if
you will, to play strength to play, and they're an
all star player there, right, And then it gives them
playing time, it gives them confidence, it builds them experience,
and then they're in a better position if if they

(45:45):
had stayed in.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
The other school to maybe go into professional football.

Speaker 10 (45:49):
Right.

Speaker 4 (45:50):
So I think there's there's benefits to portal and certainly
the talent dad is spread out more evenly.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
In my opinion, we see that because because college football
right now it's Ohio State, Oregon and maybe Miami and
Indiana after that, it's wide open.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
I believe that it really is, and maybe because for
the portal. It's because for the portal. I mean, look
at Kim Ward from last year. He went from Washington
to Miami and they're you know, prior portal. I don't
know how he would have been able to do that
or he would have stayed that just a singular school.
But the fact that Miami was able to get a
Heisman winning quarterback is because of the portal and how
he was able to use it.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
To benefit him. Because you got as well. But I'm
just going to say, and it also benefits the school,
no doubt.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
I'm glad you mentioned because Brian Callahan was the first
NFL coach tadd a copy of the home game. He
got fired, the head coach of the Tennessee Titans got
the fired. He got fired last week. There's no real
surprise because there's a connection with first round quarterback drafts
selections and coaches getting fired and say, well why is that?
I'll tell you it's easy. Expectations, hope, winning, fan pressure.

(46:53):
It's a trend. Fans in Tennessee went nuts when they
called your guy. Cam Ward is the first draft pick
last year, Titans one in five when Callahan was fired.
Let go, okay, here's the stat of the day, all right,
at the start of the day. And you know this,
Six of the last eight quarterbacks picked number one, including
the last four, have seen that coaches fired during their

(47:13):
rookie season. That is unbelievable. Why is that coaches can't
handle it? The pressure expectations where they drafted cam Ward,
fans in Tennessee were ready to buy Super Bowl tickets.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Now, I think there are certainly unrest in Tennessee even
before cam Ward was there. But honestly, we're seeing this
more and more time over and over. People they expect
these crazy things when they hire a new coach or
when they draft a new quarterback for teams like the Titans,
and every ambulyst will tell you, Dad, it's virtually impossible.
I've already said in the show, it's virtually impossible for

(47:47):
them to turn around completely and be a Super Bowl
contending team. It doesn't exist, d it doesn't happen that way, right,
The best thing for cam Ward what he needed was
to be underneath the coach for at least two to
three years to develop to be an NFA Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Those are their quarterbacks, and let.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
Him be the quarterback that we know that cam Ward
can be, and we need to let him have that time.
But honestly, he also needs the consistency of having the
same coach, having the same people around him.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
You make a great point, because Super Green Bay did
with Jordan Love. I mean, all the quarterbacks going back
to Brett Fahr, I mean, Aaron Rodgers. All those guys
sat on the sidelines learning the game, and they came
in and they did well. Okay, then you get a
guy like Trevor Lawrence. He said, how many offensive coordinators
and head coaches as he had. I mean, there's a
problem there. I mean, and you're blaming on the quarterback
and the fans got crazy, the head coach gets fired.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Most of these great college quarterbacks aren't cure roles. They're
not instant cure rolls and we're still waiting. They're not
game changes, and the coach isn't really a great match
for them. Here there's another one, Matty Eberflows. Okay, former
coach of the Bears. He was the first Bears coach
ever ever to be fired during the season. Okay, the
Bear selected Caleb Williams number one and twenty twenty four

(48:57):
in the draft. Williams with the NFL's most sat quarterback.
All right, so he got fired, you know. To me,
I think the only the only natural I think is
when the Sincinety Bengals drafted Joe Burrow. Look, they said
it was a great pick. Any idiot like myself could
have drafted Joe Burrow. I mean, that was the guy
to pick. Bengals had the first pick. They picked Joe Burrow.

(49:17):
Joe Burrow was the guy that got it done. Okay,
that's that's unusual. Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 4 (49:23):
You know, Ultimately, quarterbacks like cam Ward or Cab Williams,
they're the ones really suffering here because they don't have
a foundation in the NFL. Ultimately, to start from college
football is completely different than NFL football. The game is
so much quicker and in the perfect world I said before,
cam Ward would have developed movie for three years in
the NFL, right, and then by the third year he

(49:44):
should be and probably will be under the right leadership,
under the right coaching, be the prime quarterback that we
thought that he would be. That he still has the
potential to beat. But with changes to the GM, to
the coaching staff, to the head coaching, you can't expect
to a starting quarterback who hasn't been in the league
for less than a year dad to come out and
start winning games and uh and just be the quarterback

(50:08):
that we saw the class.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
That's ridiculous. Same situation with Bill Belichick. Don't expect him
to come and be a miracle man in North Carolina
his first year. It doesn't happen overnight. Now, look the
cam Waarred situation. He's gonna start from square one now
because his head coach is gone and Callahan was, quote
the former offensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals, the so
called offensive genius. He's gone. They're gonna start with new

(50:30):
and they got an interim coach now who may not
get the head job, and.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
They're gonna bring in a new guy again. Yeah, he's
starting all over again and again.

Speaker 4 (50:37):
It's I hate when they get rid of coaches in
the middle of the year because it does nothing for
the team. It does nothing for the team. Keep the
ship going the way it's going. Hopefully they can turn
it around a little bit. But don't ever get rid
of a coach question. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
As a former player, here's the question.

Speaker 7 (50:57):
I have.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Team is one in four, one and five. When he
got in Calihan that fired. There's gotta be a segment
of that team in the locker room that can't stand Callahan.
You know, players, and you know this, I mean, you
played the game. Players never take the blame. It's never
there fall There's is the guy in the locker next
to you. It's the coaches full it's everybody's fourth except yours.
We heard that two of the other day blame this team.

(51:17):
We'll get into that later on. So don't you think
there's a segment of the team in that locker room
that maybe would play down to see that coach get fired. Perhaps,
do you think that there's a group of players, I'm
sure that are happy that Callahan got fired.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
I'm sure maybe they're happy that he got fired, but
maybe in the sense that he wasn't. Maybe they just
thought that they had a different direction for the team,
that the team could go in a different direction that
Callahan wasn't pointing that team in that direction.

Speaker 9 (51:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Here, they weren't winning, That's what they weren't winning.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
And maybe there's things that's going on behind closed doors
we don't see certainly. And I've said before the culture.
One of the coaches job is to set a culture
for the for the organization. And maybe Callahan just didn't
set a winning coach.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
And he's never been a head coach. I think that's
a big key.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
I think you don't know how to Ben's start somewhere.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Well.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
A head coaches at the CEO of the corporation. He
oversees everything. And sometimes when you're a coordinator, you have
your hands on. You can't be a hands on kind
of guy, you know. I heard stories about Jim Harbaugh's
coaching out in LA with the charges. You know, he
walks around from different coordinators from one room to the other.
You know, he lets them do their job. He oversees everything.

(52:28):
You know, he'll go into the defensive coordinator's room and say,
what are you doing? What's going on this with you?
That's the way to do it. You can't be everything
to everybody. You oversee the big picture. Head coaches have
so much to do anyway. You know, I never believe
that a head coach should be calling the plays. I
just don't think he should. He's busy with media situations,
you know, two three times a week, he's got media conferences.

(52:49):
There's just too much to be done over there. We've
got to continue with this number one draft picks. And
twenty twenty three with the Carolina Panthers, Frank Wright, he
was fight after eleven games with his rookie quarterback Bryce Young,
he was gone, right.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
And then there's more.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Twenty twenty two, Urban Meyer fired his first year in Jacksonville,
Trevor Lawrence. Okay, and there's more because there's the coach,
and we need to discuss how a player can succeed
with one coach and fail with another. It's got to
be the coach, don't you think. I mean, time is
a factor. They gotta grow, You gotta grow because they
say the NFL is so much faster than the college game.

(53:24):
They got to learn the game. But I do believe
it's the coach.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Yeah, but I think there's coach. But then also there's
other factors.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
So you know, let's talk about a quarterback situation where
you know, the offensive packages is probably more suitable for
one quarterback versus another quarterback. Shouldn't the coach know that?
But sure the coach might know that, But I mean,
you're a professional athlete. You're expected to be a professional
athlete in whatever sense of offensive package that they're they're running, right,

(53:53):
So you know, with all the way up in Baltimore,
they might have a more a quarterback run heavy offensive approach.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Then to appeal Lamar Jacks. To appeal Lamar Jackson, then
maybe a guy that's just going to sit in the
pocket with good protection around him.

Speaker 7 (54:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
So that's kind of where I think, like people like
Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
He's finding this new win in them because he's found
the perfect offense that fits his style of football and
there's good coaches around.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
I'm glad you brought that up because there's some problems
right now offensively in Philadelphia with the Eagles. Okay, they've
run into some problems. Two weeks ago, they gave say
Kwon Barkley the ball to rush eleven times. This guy
rushed rope with two thousand yards last year, was the
MVP of the Offensive Player of the Year. Eleven times
they put the ball on his belly. Are you kidding me?
And it's a no offensive corn there over there with

(54:40):
the Eagles. I mean, you got to be crazy to me,
Like I like what Joe Flacco did the other night.
My bredon butter guy is Jamar Chase. Give him the
freaking ball. And I'm sure in the huddles Jamar said,
I'm free, give me the ball. Yeah, that's what they
did and they won the game.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
All right.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
I don't think I continue to do that, but they
did it Thursday night in Philadelphia. You have bredon butter guy,
say Kuwon Barr, give him the ball. That's your offense.
It's a no brainer.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I mean, dad, give the ball to your best player
and let him do what he does best, and that's
running up and down.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
The coordinator should know that, or a head coach should
know that. I don't know, if they're just too much
into the heirds.

Speaker 4 (55:13):
Maybe it's like a like a maybe he upset a
him during the week or something like I'm not going
to give you the ball this week. I don't know
who knows, but it certainly give the ball to your
best player and let him do what he does best.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
In scrip, winch and win the game. I'll give you
an example. The Indianapolis Coats are thriving right now. They're
unbelievable five and one. Really, Louisanna Romo was the scapegoat,
the defensive coordinator in Cincinnati. He's thriving at with the Colts,
and I'm happy for him. I remember when he coached
high school football in New York City and Staten Island.
All Right, Daniel Jones is their quarterback. They going there
to run Daniel Jones out of New York City on

(55:46):
a rail. He's thrown. He may be. I don't know
if you give a compback player of the year because
he never really did much before. He could be the
comeback player of the year. Jones the quarterback. Yeah, that
does not happen. I just I love, I love what's
happening to Baker.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
I love what's happening to Daniel because it just seems
to this be the second wind, this this second win
that's carrying him through. And they're doing so well, they're
doing so great, and New York must be kicking themselves
in the butt for getting rid of Jones and getting
rid of Barkley and just knowing what they could have
had potentially had they just kept the players or maybe

(56:21):
just you know, change change what wasn't working right.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
But good for them.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Good for them for going and finding the organizations that
fits them and now they're excelling.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Okay, we heard Mike Tomlin last hour saying how shocked
he was and maybe he's stupid, and Andy Berry, the
general manager of the Browns, is not maybe smarter than
him for treading Joe Flacco in the division to the Bengals.
How stupid would the Giants trading in the division to
the Eagles with Sae Kwon Barkley when it gave him away? Basically,
I mean, how stupid could you be?

Speaker 4 (56:51):
I would if I were a Giants fan, I would
be banging my head against it all. Figure out what this,
what this team was thinking with the team's approach was,
what their thought process was.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
I don't think anyone still knows honestly that Look, the
next snap I take in the National Football League will
be my first. I have nothing to do with the
National Football League. I did some work on Miami with
the Dophins when I was with the for Lord of
Ville Strikers because the Robbie family owned both and the
only person I really knew. Was Charlie Callahan the greatest
PR guy in the world. Can I give you a
little story about Charlie Callahan. Charlie Callahan, he used to

(57:26):
be the sports information guy Notre Dame and Joe Robbie.
May he rest in peace. Joe Robbie hired him out
of Not Jo Dame. He used to big Not Dame fan.
And I used to go to Charlie's office. I mean,
you know, I didn't even know the players. I stayed
with Charlie Callahan. I learned, okay, and I looked on
his wall in his office. He had like seventy five
eighty one hundred phone numbers on his wall. I said, Charlie,
what is that. That's all the media contacts, all the

(57:47):
newspaper guys. Okay, on the wall. He went on a
road trip and he came back. They painted his office.
All the numbers were gone. He won nuts.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Charlie went nuts. That was Charlie Callahan.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Unbelievable, good man them. May he rest in peace too. Okay,
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get after the air, we're going to have the blame
game coming up in about ten minutes from now. You know,
we talked about guy is getting a new life. You know,
quarterbacks who were drafted number one of the coaches get fired,
but so many these guys got a new life. To
Daniel Jones of the world, to Baker Mayfield and these coaches.

(59:29):
Right now, I'm going to run this by you. They
all know the x's and o's. I think it's all
about a leadership factor. I mean, you've got to be
a great leader. You got to be able to delegate,
you got to get respect. And look what happened in
UCLA when the coaching changed. Why did the Lions lose
for so long until Dan Campbell came along? You know
what I mean, it's a coincidence. I mean really, I mean,
how did Indiana become a football school? Easy, Kirk Signetti.

(59:51):
I mean it's all about the coaching, you delegate and respect.
For example, I remember this when Boomer Siasin was the
quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals. You're the quarterback coach? Was
Dana Bible? You think Boomer had any respect for that guy?
Guy never took a snap really in the NFL, didn't
do anything. And I know Boomer, he spoke to me
at length about this and I kept it quiet, but

(01:00:12):
you know, he didn't have any respect. They banged heads
all the time. Dana Bible's gonna tell Boomer's size and
what to do. You have to have a guy with respect.
That makes a big deal.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Yeah, And you know, I think and I've been behind
coaches where you do have to have respect, and once
you do have that respect, the ties have turned and
then everything becomes better. You become a better athlete for
it because you have the respect for the coaches. Look
at Dan Campbell, right, and look what he's done for
Detroit And what's the difference there. What's the ultimate difference him?

(01:00:42):
It's him, right, It's the culture that he's built. You know,
I will preach culture until I am blue in the face, Dad,
And that's one of the coaches. The coaches, what's one
of the coaches that their main jobs, right is to
build the culture and behind that players get behind that culture.
They believe in the culture, they believe the cause, and
once you amp up enough, they're ready to run through

(01:01:03):
a brick.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Wall for you. Jim Jim Harba, coach of the Charges,
could be all the said and done. He may be
one of the greatest coaches of all time. One in college,
went anywhere in the NFL. When he's the forty nine ers,
he won Charges of four and two and they play,
they host the colt today. It's a pretty good game
five and one. I've heard stories that Jim Harbaugh rolls
up as sleeves goes in the weight room with these guys.
You don't think that makes the difference. You don't think

(01:01:24):
that fires up guys. It's set in the example. It's
set in the example.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
And then and then you have coaches like the Cardinals
where they're pushing their own players, and the guys see that.
Players see that, right, and they look at that coach
and say, no respect for you whatsoever. I'm gonna do me.
I'm gonna try and play the best of my ability.
But I don't believe in your I don't believe in
your campaign. I don't believe in the culture that you're setting.

(01:01:50):
I don't believe in you and uh, you know, you
ask the players, you know, lie down to see their
coaches fail.

Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
I see why maybe people would do that, you know,
for the I will tell you another thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
I mean, and people ask me all the time, and
how come the CINCINNTI Bengals have had such a difficult
time over the years and within the Super Bowl three
times they lost, but still overall they haven't really done well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
The decade of the nineties was like death. It really was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
And I've told him, I said, because I think that
you need to get an experienced coach in here. The
only experienced coach they ever really had who cracked the
whip and players respected with fearful of was Forrest Gregg.
He played the game, He was a tough guy, played
for the Green Bay Packers. Other than that Dave Shula.
You know why, because he was Don Shula's son. They
kept me too long. What was his record? Something like

(01:02:35):
eleven and eighty. I mean, come on, I mean, you
got to get a guy who's been there, done that.
And maybe that's why Callahan got fired in Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
I think, well, in Tennessee's situation, I think it's just
more than just him. I think that the entire ownership
the GMS, there's just so much of a spaghetti kind
of mess there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
It's so hard to go through.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
And ultimately it's it's the players that's that's getting the
front of it really because they have no leadership. They
have no direction, right, and they need a solid courter
or a solid leadership without a run he should really,
he's ultimately the uh setting the prime example of what
a good leader is going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
No, it's Dan Cambell, you know. Okay, let me talk
about the Charges now with Jim Harbor. Let's send that
the Dolphins lost to the Charges. Dolphins are one and
five and they meet the Browns in Cleveland today. If
that game was in my backyard, I close the shades. Really,
I mean, it's disgusting. But we got to talk about
that because Mike McDaniel's another guy on the very very
hot seat with the Miami Dolphins. Again, I say lack
of leadership last week after the loss too of their

(01:03:39):
quarterback point of the finger and his teammates about missing meetings.
Who's a bad move. It's a terrible We just can't
you could he had three d deceptions in that game.
How could he not take the blame for that game,
but this week he said something and I got to
hear what he said to go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
I think it starts with the leadership in helping articulate
that for the guys, and then what we're expecting out
of the guys, Right, we're expecting this, Are we getting that?

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Are we not getting that?

Speaker 5 (01:04:03):
We have guys showing up to player only meetings late,
guys not showing up to player only meeting Like, There's
a lot that goes into that. Do we have to
make this mandatory? Do we not have to make this mandatory?
So so it's it's a lot of it's a lot
of things of that nature that we got to get
cleaned up. And it starts with the little things like that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Not his job to point fingers, that's not that's the
coach's job. And when I asked McDaniel about that, he
was it was embarrassing.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
Yeah, really, yeah. It's a real bad situation there over
there in Miami. And ultimately I think it does kind
of fall on Mike McDaniel in the culture that he's built.
He doesn't have a culture there. He has a culture
of people pointing fingers and not taking blame for or
not taking responsibility for themselves. Now he's saying, we need
to find a leader to what is a leader on

(01:04:54):
the field. Not the mouth for the team. He's not
the mouth for the team, no, but he is a
leader on the team. Just buy his position, no doubt.
Being the quarterback for the team, you are if you are,
in doubt, the leader of the team, you are seen
as the leader. The person does set the example regardless
if you're the offense, if you're the defense, right, and

(01:05:14):
you're kind of the face of the team a little
bit because you're the one in the prime light, the
bylight a little bit more, right, But certainly he doesn't
have the mouth.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
But he can't be throwing You cannot be throwing your
players underneath the buses.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
And the lust.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
Yeah, look at yourself internally first, right, see what you
can do the better yourself first, and then help your players,
help your other teammates. And if you're right, it is
you know, hey, make sure you're getting to your meetings,
push them individually, right and if you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Want to talk about them, talk them individually one on one,
not to the media. Yes, that's behind the keep it
out of the meeting and That's why I have so
much expect for Jake Brownie because when he got bencham
they put Joe Flacco, went to Cincinnati, he faced the music,
he went to the media.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
SIT's on me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
I gotta play bet. I wish Joe Flaccowell I'll be
with him, and he could have hit a lot of
these guys. I've been to locker rooms. You have the losses.
He can't find the guy. They're in the training room,
they don't come out. They're cowards.

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
But you know the fact that the fact that Tua
is saying that there's no leader here, you know, what
does that tell you?

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
What the organization tells me. He's dumping on his coach.
He's dumping it on his coach.

Speaker 4 (01:06:22):
But kind of we don't see McDaniel doing anything in
the sense of being that leader on the team. You know,
I don't know he's taking ownership of what's what's going
on with the team. But he just always had this
nonchalant Southern look.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
He doesn't look like a coach.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
He looks like the count.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
He looks like he looks like an analyst or something
like that, which is fine, you know, and I'm sure
he knows the game listen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
I'm not saying he doesn't know the game coach.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
He knows the exs and o's and he's in the
position because he knows what he's doing right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
But it's more than knowing the exces and o's dad, no.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
Doubt it's it's it's leading a group of guys onto
the field and winning week in and week out and
preparing your team. And McDaniel is not doing that, and
he's not setting the right culture. Dan Campbell is in Detroit.

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
He is not.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
And I've said it before in this show.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
I don't believe in getting rid of coaches midseason, but
maybe McDaniel is my one, my one coach that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
If he's gone after today's game, and I think that,
I think two coaches are going to hit the road
after this week. I think Luke Fickley Wisconsin and McDaniel
in Miami. I think those guys are gone. And I'll
say something else. And you follow sports as much as
anybody else, don't you notice a change in coaches. I
think coaches want to be liked, don't you think that.
I mean, back back in the day, I remember what
coaches after a game, they would call out a player

(01:07:44):
at their postgame news conference, they call him out, Hey,
if he would have caught that ball, we would I
don't hear that anymore. They're afraid of the players, don't
you think. I don't hear that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
I think there's more pressure on being a little bit
more PC now honestly politically correct. You know, it's well,
ultimately two, you know, it's a team sport, you know,
but sure there's things that happen. You know, if he
had caught that pass, we would have gotten the game
winning touched on whatever it may be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
I think it's shifted, the culture shifted, and that's fine,
But ultimately I would have liked to say.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Look, you know it was a tough loss, but you know,
if two wouldn't have thrown those three picks, maybe we
could have been in the game.

Speaker 4 (01:08:21):
No guy once wants to play for a coach, he's
going to throw him underneath the bus like that. I
don't want to play for a coach like that. You know,
I want a coach that's going to take ownership of
what fell in his basket.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
This fell on me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
I didn't prepare the team enough this week for the
come out with the win. It falls on me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
But I don't want to hear my coach dogging on
my running back or dogging on my defense.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
No, because no, because that ruins.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Morale, and it ruins morale, and it ruins you know,
everything that the coaches is going to start saying is
going to go in one ear and ride out the
other because they lose respect.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
This the whole respect. Well, you're speaking about that about
going in one ear at the other. Bear's quote Caleb Williams, Okay,
he said they could care less about commentary.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
You're full of it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
You let me hear.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
Go ahead, Calen, what do you get to say?

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
Yeah, I could care less.

Speaker 12 (01:09:09):
Yeah, it's kind of how I think I've said multiple times.
People are gonna say what they have to say.

Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
We win, we lose.

Speaker 12 (01:09:17):
People have stuff to say. It was lucky, it was
not lucky. People have stuff to say. Have a bad game,
have a good game. You know, people have stuff to say.
So it's it's it doesn't matter. We're only worried about
what's going on here within this building and with these guys.
So that's all I can say about that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
You're full of it. First of the Bears are home
today in Chicago the at three and two. They're hosting
the Saints one in five. Caleb, you're the same guy
that wrote a book and said quarterbacks go to Chicago
to die. All right, I mean so when you say
stuff like that, when you stick yourhead above the sea,
over the water, okay, you're going to get people commenting
about you. And believe you, listen and all these all
these athletes listen. And I know firsthand because I used

(01:09:54):
to go to locker rooms after games, Reds games, Bengals games.
Guys wouldn't talk to me. They cursed me. They go
nuts on because of what I've said. They listen, they read,
they do it all.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Believe me, they do. They're very sensitive. They listen day listen,
and they hate that we're being critics. But honestly, Dad,
that's our job. We have to be critics. But the
voice the fans are saying that we say it. I'm
not gonna be able to eat if I'm not going
to be critical. I don't have a house if I'm
not going to be critical.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
But certainly I don't think you know this whole thing
he thinks. I don't know if he thinks that Troy
Aikman was being critical. I think he wasn't being critical.
I think he just saw what he saw on the
field and he just called it, Oh, that looks lucky,
and I think that's all it was.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
It's struck a nerve with Caleb. You know, if he
doesn't care, sorry, does he listens?

Speaker 3 (01:10:38):
He knows?

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
It's kind of crazy, really, I mean that these guys
say these things and like, now I'm commenting on what
he said, and maybe it's going to get back to say, yeah,
you know, he does listen. I mean, come on, really,
he why some You know what I'll tell you. The
problem is that my background is always I was a
PR guy with sports teams. The PR guys needs to
let you these players when and where to talk, on

(01:11:02):
what to say, and I don't think they do. I
really see PR guys become service guys.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
You know what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
They answer the phone when a guy needs statistics, when
they want an interview, or they want tickets.

Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
That's what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
You need to you're the really you're the guy that
basically kind of puts the team in perspective. You could
change things, You could change the attitude of a guy.
You could change Caleb Williams and tell them don't say
things like that. They don't. I used to meet with
the team all the time. I used to go to
the coach, coach guy, talk the team for a second,
say I'm here to help you guys. You know, if

(01:11:35):
you'll tell you who you gonna talk to, tell you
what the guys gonna ask you, you help them, help
these guys. These guys don't do it. I see it now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
These guys don't do it. And I don't know if
they think I just got this in the bag, don't
worry about it. You can handle my own or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
It may be.

Speaker 4 (01:11:47):
But I think with Caleb was he's just trying to say,
is you know, I'm not gonna let this outside noise
bother me. And he's saying things like we're keeping it
within the building, we're just going week by week, or
focusing what's in front of each other. But certainly it
struck a chord with him. The fact that he's even
commenting on it and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
I don't think Troy Aikman was or Troy Aikman was
calling him out or nothing like that, saying all.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
He's just you got luck, have you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:13):
There's been times I will say, there's been times where
we've walked off the field and said, man, we got lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
We got away with that. Seriously, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy, it really is. I just
I don't understand it. I really don't. Then these athletes,
it's kind of crazy. I tell you what changed though.
They don't need the media because they have their own
media with social media, you know what I mean. They
put on x They don't need the third party when
they go directly to the public, to the source of
one big mess, one big mess, as it really is.

(01:12:43):
Alex Ferman in for Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Furman, and
of course it's time to blow up some steam, which
we've been doing actually almost for two hours. It's the
playing game, and you know what it's freaking next, all right,
the playing game coming right up about ten twelve minutes
before the top of the hour. And top of the hour,
I'll be eight o'clock on the East coast. Mike Harmon,
Greg co Cell will join you on these wonderful airwaves

(01:13:03):
Fox Ports Radio. He's Alex from and the Mandy fer
When we're lying on the Fox boats radio studios that
before we say good, but I want to thank you
did one heck of a job.

Speaker 3 (01:13:11):
Bucky would be proud of you. No, I appreciate that.
You know it's hard for people to work with you.

Speaker 10 (01:13:16):
Dad.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Why is that?

Speaker 10 (01:13:18):
Why is that?

Speaker 7 (01:13:19):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
You know you tend to be a little crazy, a
little cuckoo. And I don't know, I don't know if
that's just your your advanced age.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
How dare you? That's your How dare you? Wherever it
may be?

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
Come in?

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
Let me smack. I stepped in for I stepped in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
I'll dare you here with you? Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
You know what, I'll never see you here again. I'll
see here in another three years. Yeah, right, Brianna? Are
you ready for the blame game? Let's go. It's all
your fault? No, it's your fault.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
If it's all your fault, maybe it's everyone's fault, the liar.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
That's why there's the blame game. Let's figure out who
to blame.

Speaker 7 (01:13:58):
Not the blame game.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
Go ahead, bring on, go ahead, give us one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Okay.

Speaker 8 (01:14:01):
The Oklahoma University women's softball team topped Oklahoma Christian thirty
five to zero.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Last week.

Speaker 8 (01:14:08):
Alex, who do you blame.

Speaker 4 (01:14:10):
Oh, I guess I blame whoever was pitching that game?
Gave up thirty five points? How do you give up
thirty five runs? Unbelievable? I mean that has to be bad.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I mean, what's.

Speaker 3 (01:14:18):
It's just so wrong? Underhand pitcher?

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Was it softball?

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
It's softball?

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Yeah? Okay, you're so rushed to coach. She should know better,
you know, the little sportsmanship here? Thirty five? Are you
kidding me? After there was ten? Nothing to walk off
the field and shake hands? First of all, why are
you schedule Oklahoma University women's softball is one like the
NCAA tournament like the last three or four years? Okay,
can you just like not schedule Oklahoma Christian? Really? I mean,

(01:14:43):
come on, it's a warm up game for them, I
guess warm up?

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Yeah, it's not right?

Speaker 8 (01:14:47):
Go ahead, I'm gonna ask that Chris plaink about that.
I'm curious.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Okay, Oh, he's a homer.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
He's a homer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
I lived at Olklahoma too, but he's a Sooner homer.

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
The NFL has added the Monday night doubleheader on their schedule,
apparently to crush the MLB postseason ballgames. Andy, who do
you blame.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I blame the National Football League. There are a bunch
of pigs they really I love football of the National
Football League, but what they've done right now, they've taken
Christmas away from the NBA. Now on Monday night. First
of all, for the fans, you can only watch one
game at a time, You really can. I can't multitask.
But why are you putting two games on almost every
Monday night?

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
I know why.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Of course Major League Baseball has their playoff games on there,
and you want to squash them too. Come on, really,
there should be something out of Congress where seasons should
have a start and an end period and a story.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Okay, go ahead, perfectly said, go ahead. I can't follow
up with that.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
You better.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
I hate the two you're working you watch two games
at once? Just have one game.

Speaker 4 (01:15:44):
It just seems like just this year they started doing
this doubleheader on Monday nights.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
When do they start doing that?

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
Come on? I agree with you on I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
Listen to Joe Buck and Joy I mean, that's all
I want to listen to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:15:54):
You guys only have like one TV in your house,
Like I'm so confused.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Like the Rea it has the rabbit rabbit black and
white rabbit ears, and I have to get up every
time my dad wants to change the channel.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Twelve inches.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Oh okay.

Speaker 8 (01:16:08):
The almost touchdown syndrome is a parent in the NFL
where a player drops the ball before he crosses the
goal line.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Alex, who do you blame? I think I blame the
startom of the other players.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
I think they're trying to one up each other and
trying to see how close can they get to the
goal line before they can drop the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:16:26):
I think it's no, it's a competition.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Between them all the competition we don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
But I blame TV and the Four Letter Network because
they want to get in the highlight film that's what
they want to do. Really, I blame them. You know,
maybe they're just stupid. They don't know what the line is.
I don't I give credit they're not that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Maybe it's the peripheral vision they don't know what the
line is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Give it credit then, But honestly, it's TV. They want
to get into the highlight reels. That's what they want
to do. You're talking about clicks. They want click click bait.
That's clickbait.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
That's what they want.

Speaker 8 (01:16:52):
Next, Okay, how bad has it gotten for the Baltimore Ravens.
They held the Rams to seventeen points and wide receiver
Pukinakua two catches before he was injured last week. It's
still lost by fourteen, Alex.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
I gotta blame. Maybe it's the coaching who knows. Yes, No,
it's the coaching.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
They don't They're not preparing the team, you know, That's
what I'm thinking, Dad. Or you blame the defense they're scoring.
They blame them rundown the field and score points.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
What do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
No, I'm not blaming John harbab because he's the same
coach that that's won all these years. You know, I
blame the trainer, the athletic trainer. They're all hurt. The
medical staff blame. There's gotta be a blame. You gotta
point the finger. I'm not blaming John Harbaugh because he
knows the game when they've won with him. It's the
medical staff because these guys are getting hurt, they're not
in condition. Whatever it may be, the medical staff is

(01:17:39):
the problem with the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 8 (01:17:42):
Okay Brown Jerkie quarterback dealing Gabriel through the ball fifty
two times last week and produced just two hundred and
twenty one yards or four point three yards per attempt,
and he was sacked six times.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Who do you blame? Andy all Right, the general manager
who is smart enough to change trade Joe Flack out
of the Cincinnati Bengals. First of all, Dylan, I don't
want to say I want to see your door Sanders play.
That's what the fans want. Fans want your door Sanders.
He's the guy. He's gonna sell tickets. Dylan, I'm sorry
your time is up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
I agree. I like that you put Sanders and why not?
What do you got to lose?

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
See it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
You've drafted him for a reason. Put him in the game.
You're not going to the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
I mean, I love the guy who was a great
college quarterback. I don't know if he can see.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Over the line, Dad, I don't think he's gonna line.
I think you're right, orran put your Dooran's Butcher door in.
You got anything else?

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:18:32):
Carson Bucks Heisman hopes took a hit after Miami lost
to Louisville on Friday night.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
Uh Andy, who do you blame?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Well, obviously, Louisville did a great job on him.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
They really did.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
I mean, I was shocked. I was shot that Louisville
did that. I was shocked to the Miami loss. I
thought Miami. Right now, he is probably gonna dip in
the ratings, but you know, I think that he was
gonna get Heisman votes. I don't know if he's gonna
win the Heisman. I think the quarterback of Vanderbilts gonna
shot right now. I'm the Heisman posy.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
As the quarterback at Oklahoma is hot. He's like one
of my most favorite players really Oklahomah. Yeah, I think
he's into good running for the Heisman too. I think
so one hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
I think I think Vanderbilt Vanderbilt could be I love
the kid at Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
I think I think that was great. Yeah you got
it anymore?

Speaker 8 (01:19:17):
Yes, Alvic Smara and Chris o'lave have made it very
clear they want to stay in New Orleans after multiple
trade rumors.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Alex, who do you blame? I probably blamed the NFL
rumor ecosystem.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
It's messy, it's it's filthy, it's a mix of media, fans, spectations.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
I hate it, and uh, that's who I blame. No,
I blame the food, the Cajun food. That's why they
want to stay down there. They must love it. There's
got to be a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
Reason why they can't be THEO, they can't be the
football team they stay. Why else would you want to
stay in?

Speaker 10 (01:19:44):
Really?

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Why else would you want to stay in New Orleans? Really?

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Tell me that's loyalty, that loyalty there. Maybe they've got
a restaurant there. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
Hey, it's great. I loved having you here today. Did
a great job.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
I'll be here in the three Mike Harmon, Greg.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Co Sell next, right here on Fox Sports. Right here,
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