Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks Discuss Jeff Ulbrich's Apology On His Sons Behalf, Bill Belichick Drama At North Carolina, Post NFL Draft Team Questions, And More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You don't listen. Ain't no Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
You know, does father really know best? Well, we'll get
to that in just a minute. Good morning, everybody. It's
that time. I know you couldn't wait. It is that time.
It is Fox Sports Sunday. We're broadcasting live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios. I'm Andy Furman here. He is
my partner, my friend, the man of all seasons, the
one and only Bucky Brooks. Bucky, how are you, Andy?

(00:25):
You sound great? You look even better? And away we go.
I tell you what I want to just mention one
thing if I can, and you talk about teams that
maybe snake bit in the world of sports, none better
than the LA Clippers. Okay, I just want to touch
on the Clippers for a second, because I know they
got their heads handed to him last night. But at
Denver Nuggets and Denver's moving on. I can't believe the

(00:46):
NBA is notn' eve gonna give him a day off.
They gotta play Oklahoma City tomorrow night. However, it was
four years ago. I believe it was four years ago.
These two teams also played the seventh game, and the
Clippers were heavily favored. They were up three to one
in this series, and you know what, they chose done
that one too. This team can't get it together for
some reason. There's snake bit one twenty one on one,
and you know what. One of my favorite players in

(01:08):
the NBA had a game and a half last night,
Russell Westbrook. Sixteen points, ten in the second quarter, a
couple of big three pointers, and he shot what three
point shooting average like forty two percent, the best of
any playoff series in his career. This guy was like
thrown out a very team, many teams saying he was finished,
he can't play. He's had a good teammate. I love

(01:29):
this guy because he hustles one hundred ten percent every
freaking game.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah no, I mean there were a lot of people
that have really dismissed a former MVP, a trip of
double King, a guy who's a certain Hall of Famer,
and a lot of people tried this, I'm blamed to
him when their teams didn't live up to expectation. Uh.
Being a Russell Westbrook fan, I would say it was
good to see him kind of pay some of those
guys back. He look, he plays the game the right way,

(01:58):
he plays hard, He assos, he gets Zephyr, he's a
good teammate, professional, all those things. So it's great to
see him play well in Game seven.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah, and they've had six guys in double figures yesterday.
So really, I mean, you know, here's a team that
basically was down and out. You know, the Clippers had
won eighteen of the last twenty one games. And the Clippers,
when they fired their general manager and their coach, I
had three games left in the regular season. And they
come back now. They're gonna give Oklahoma City everything they can.
They really will, and I'd like to see him knock
Oklahoma City out of there. You know, I don't think

(02:25):
the NBA is too happy right now with Oklahoma City
and Cleveland. The two possibilities in the finals not great
media markets.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Really, I don't think the league cares about that, man,
I think the league will see the best two teams. No.
I think Oklahoma City and Cleveland are terrific. They're teams
that are buttoning up from top to bottom, have superstar power,
they have depth, they have talent. I don't think the
league cares about them going. But the task is gonna
be tough for Denver coming off of us an emotional

(02:54):
seventh games then have to jump right into an OKAC series.
It's gonna be hard for them to kind of make
the adjustment to get back on track to play the Thumber. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I just don't think it was right that they played
yesterday and they're playing tomorrow again. You know, Ilklahoma City, come.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
No, no, no, no, you decided did you want to play
seven games? If you play seven games, your punished. The
other team took care of business. That's part of the deal.
You take care of your business early. You get rewarded
for it.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
I hear what you're saying. Okay, I mentioned coming in here.
Does father really know?

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Best?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Dads are in the news right now, and you know what,
it's not even Father's Day. Really, you're a dad, Bucket Brooks,
you're a proud dad. How involved are you with your
kids in sports? When I say that, I mean are
you running on the field? Are you attacking officials? I
want to know your relationship watching your kids play sports.
I'll tell you who mine was. You know when my
kid played football. Honestly, I mean, I mean, you see

(03:52):
what's happening right now, You've got to be shaking your head.
I don't think you were that kind of a dad.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
No, I've always hung in the back. I tried to
stay out of it. In fact, I probably regret not
intervening or being more meddlesome for them coming up. But no,
I've always kind of hung in the back, told them
that they had to kind of earn whatever they would get,
and then I'm there to support them. But my job
is not to make it about me, like I've had

(04:20):
my time, and so I've never really been a guy
that was very medlesome when it came to the after
at their activities.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
You know. I had a son who played what three
sports in high school football, he ran track, and he wrestled,
and I went to every one of his events with
my wife, and no one knew I was there, you know.
And at the time when he was doing this, I
was somewhat visible because I was doing sports talk locally
in Cincinnati on the radio. I didn't want to do
anything whatsoever that would kind of uproot what he was doing.

(04:49):
And he was a hell of a performer, he really was.
I was proud of him, but I tried to stay
in the background, really in the background. I never talked
to the coaches. I didn't do a thing I didn't
want to buy. I saw some of those play some
of the I won't mention the name, but one of
them one of the parents played in the NFL and
his son's quarterback. And this guy basically was on the

(05:09):
field in the back of the coach. The coach was
intimidated by him. There's no doubt in my mind. But
you know, it's just crazy how these parents relive their
life or maybe lack of a life through their kids. Really, okay,
we talk about dads right now. I'm talking about the
Atlanta Falcons defensive quality. Jeff Olbriok. He apologized the other

(05:30):
day for the leak of shoulder stand in his private
phone number and his son using it to prank call
the quarterback during the NFL Draft. It's unbelievable, it really is.
I want to hear what Jeff Oldbrich had to say
with the apology, then we'll get into it heavily. Go ahead, Jeff,
I want to hear you.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
First of all, I like to publicly apologize to Shader
and the Sanders family for what occurred. Second of all,
I want to publicly apologize to mister Blank, Terry Fatina,
Reean Morris and the entire Falcons organization. My actions, my
actions of not protecting confidential data were inexcusable. My son's

(06:07):
actions were absolutely inexcusable, and for that we are both
deeply sorry. The NFL has taken action and I fully
respect the punishment. We take full responsibility, my son and myself,
and we will not be appealing to fine in any way.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Unbelievab Okay, you talk about to find the Falcons themselves,
will find two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Olbriok was
fined one hundred thousand dollars. A couple of things that
really irked me with this whole situation. Number one, how
did Lbric even get the phone number of should or standers?
Why is he getting it as a defensive coordinator. I
mean it wouldn't just a general manager, maybe the head
coach personnel people get these phone numbers. You know you're

(06:45):
the inside guy. Why does he have the phone number?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Well, they said that this is an unusual thing, but
what happened Shuder, Saners and those guys got updated numbers late.
On a league wide memo, the league basically put everybody
they have a distribution list with all the prominent people
in the NFL that are on it, and they provided
an update Onsherdeur's new number. Albrick had it on his iPad,

(07:10):
didn't keep his secure son so it snapped, took the
picture of it, and then decided to play a prank
Onshradeur Sanders, and so the league came down one hundred
thousand dollar five for him, two hundred and fifty thousand
dollars five for the Falcons for the breach of security,
and the overall embarrassment of the ordeal. Sanders was not
the only one they received a prank call. Others received calls,

(07:33):
but certainly not a good look for the NFL.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Okay, that's number one, number two. Initially, when this incident happened,
they kept on saying Ulbrick's kid. Why are they calling
him a kid. He's a man. He's twenty one years
of age. He should have known better. You know, when
I heard the term kid, I thought maybe he was
like an eight nine year old kid with a prank.
Twenty one years of age should know better, anyone should

(07:57):
know better. But he's not a kid. He's a man. Agreed,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
One hundred percent. He should be healed. Accountable as that
when we when we kind of paint him as a kid,
it's like, oh, it's an innocent mistake. He's twenty one,
he knew what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Okay. The next thing is, I don't know why Old
Brooke how to take the heat. And I understand he
left the eyepit opens no big deal, but you know, honestly,
I don't know why the kid did not go personally
and apologize. I should have been the kid apologizing, not Oldbrick.
That to me, Joe b nuts and if I'm the dad,
if I'm Olbrooke, I take the kid with me when

(08:32):
I'm apologizing and say, here's my son. He's got something
to say as well. I don't understand why the kid
didn't apologize.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Well, he's not in the league, so that's probably why
they kept him off that platform. But they did say
that he called Sanders and apologize to him over the phone,
and they kind of put it to bed after that.
But yeah, it's certainly not ideal. It's embarrassing that everybody involved.
It's embarrassing to the Falcons, Olbrick, his family, all of that. Like,

(09:01):
you certainly don't want that to ever happen. And I
mean people have kind of dismissed it whatever, But I'll
say this, it was probably one of Sanders' lowest days
and when he's having probably one of the toughest moments
that he can probably fathom in his professional career. Aubrick's
kid takes advantage of that, and I'm calling him his kid.

(09:22):
Olbrick's son takes advantage of that. Certainly, man, there should
be more punishment and probably more blame cast on him.
I give Shelder saying his credit for filing, taking the
phone call, and by all accounts, trying to move beyond
the matter. But yeah, it's certainly not something that anybody
wants to deal with, especially when you're going through a
tough time in that moment.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, I just to understand the whole situation. Now, maybe
you could explain to me a lot better, because I'm
on the outside looking in. You're on the inside. You're
an NFL guy, you played in the league, you work
for a team. Okay, he gets the phone number, he
sees the number on the iPad. Who does he call
Shadeer directly? And what does he say? He says, I'm
with the Atlanta Falcons quota. I'm with the such and

(10:04):
such team you've been drafted. I mean, how does that work?
Doesn't he see the phone number, the number that he's
called that. I don't understand how you could fall for
something like that. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
You don't know how Santus can fall for something like that.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah. In other words, I mean, and the.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Moment is draft weekend. If someone calls, I mean, I'm
sure he doesn't know every area code of every team. Yeah.
On the surface, we could be like, well, he should
know that if it didn't come from whichever team I
think they pretend to be the New Orleans Saints, it
didn't come from a five or four number, he should
he should know. But look, man, this is a kid

(10:43):
that's been through a tough two and a half day
ordeal where you're hoping to hear from somebody. The phone
rings and someone says, hey man, this is Mickey Loomis
from the New Orleans Saints. You're excited because you're like, Okay,
finally the nightmare is over this and that. So he
wasn't thinking about, oh, this could be a prank call.
I mean, it had been unprecedented at that point to

(11:05):
receive a prank call. On Draft day from someone pretending
to be an NFL official like that that hadn't thought
and why would you ever think that that would be
a prank on your moment, Like, that's not something that
we engage in on a day to day situation. So
I can understand him being fool or naive to the
fact that it was somebody else when someone was taking

(11:26):
advantage of his feelings.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Okay, So now you're clearing things up for me a
little bit. So when he's calling up and he claims
that he is Mickey Loomis from the Saints, so he
used the guy's name. He had basically said the official's
name from that team, so that that once someone says
that to you on the phone, you're right. You don't
look at the area call. You just assume, Wow, you
know the New Orleans Saints are calling me? Okay, So

(11:47):
now I get it. So he knew he was smart enough.
The kid was smart enough to say, I'm going to
claim that I'm the general manager of such and such
team and call him up.

Speaker 3 (11:55):
And say that. All right, but you got yeah, yeah,
there was a there's a video of it. So the
only reason why the guy was caught is because they
decided when they made the prank call to video tape it,
and so in the videotape you see the people dial
them up, call them, say that they're Mickey Lumits for
the Saints, extend the conversation a little bit, and then

(12:16):
tell them, oh, by the way, you're gonna have to
wait a little longer, and hang up on them and laughing,
giggle and all that. So the video provided context to
why Sanders would think that, a, Okay, this is someone
from an NFL team. Let me get ready, I'm about
to be drafted and go forward. Because throughout the draft
you see several phone calls from teams. It's not uncommon

(12:39):
for a team to call you several picks before they
draft you, or to call you throughout the course of
the draft to say, hey, man, just be ready to
if you get to us, we're gonna call us. That's
a part of it. That's some of the gamesmanship that
takes place over the course of draft weekend. So it's
natural that he might have fielded phone calls from other

(12:59):
teams eating up to it, and even though they hadn't
picked him yet, He's been in dialogue and in conversation
with other teams about his draft status.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, so you got to be some sort of a
weirdo sick individual to do something like that, not even
a mean person, just a sick individual to do something
like that. You really, you really do. I don't know
what kind of satisfaction you get out of that.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
I mean, you have to you have to feel some
kind of way to do that. Like, that's not for everybody.
I wouldn't want to pick up the phone when someone
is going through it to call them. But everybody's not
empathetic towards those things. And because Schuder Sanders, for whatever reason,
is a very polarizing figure, he's gonna get some of that,
and he's going to continue to get those things because

(13:44):
we just kind of live in a time where people
people hate to see others doing well, and so regardless
of what it is like, there are some people who
do not want to see people do well, and so
they wanted to kind of enjoy the fact that he
was miserable and suffering through a tough time at that moment.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Yeah, I don't think it's envy as much as like, mean,
you know, I don't want you happy. That's basically I
don't want to see you happy. That's basically what they do.
That's what they really do to people. But you know,
he's just one dad that had a problem. The other
one was Tyre's Halliburton's father. If you remember, he was
confronting Giannis. Giannis had the coupo of the Milwaukee Bucks,
the Greek Freak. If you remember the Bucks lost to

(14:26):
the Paces at that end of the Milwaukee season the
other day. The way the Bucks lost the game was
it was really brutal. It was terrible. Really. Milwaukee was
up four points in the fourth quarter. There was about
fifty to fifty three seconds left Indiana forsty overtime. Then
the Bucks were up seven points. They're up seven points,
were forty seconds left in the OT and they had
a You would just assume they're going to win that game, Okay,

(14:48):
Andrew Denbrod hit a three, then he got to steal
Tyrese Haliburton converted at one on one. It was like
one point down with about fifteen sixteen seconds to go.
Paces are trying to foul Gary Trent Junior having a
good finish. He let the ball slip through his hands,
went out of bounce. Halliburton gets the ball droves on Anthropogo,
he scores a layup and they win one, nineteen to eighteen.

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That's the story of the game. Then all of a sudden,
all hell breaks loose. Halle Burton's dad, Jonathan came down
on the court, had a towel displaying his front, his
son's face, and confronted the Greek freak with a little standoff.
And then the security came in.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
What was that all about? How does that happen?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I mean, you got I mean, Halliburton's got to be
so embarrassed that his dad did something like that. I
don't understand how these things happened. I really don't.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
I mean, those things commonly happen when you have people
that are sitting in courtside. Look things just said. There's
a little engagement between players and fans. Halliburton's dad is
obviously super excited about his son moving on his dad
ball accounts might be a little chatty, and he got
caught up in the moment. And sometimes when you're fans,

(15:59):
and all fans do this, regardless of whether they're related
to players or not, they feel like they're a big
part of what took place on the court. Got a
little excited wanted to make sure that he gave the
business to the Greek freaking others and that I mean, look,
it happens like you play sports at any level or
high school, college, whatever, there's a lot of interaction and engagement,

(16:21):
a lot of conversation in banter. And unfortunately he was
a little overzealous in his conversation with Nianis and they
had to intervene.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
It was believed that they were forehead to forehead. I mean,
they were like almost knocking heads together, and he apologized.
Jonathan Halliburton apologized he did it on social media after
the game, but he's staying away now from Pacers games.
He said, you know, I don't know if the Pacers
say you're not allowed to come to the games anymore,
but he said he's not going to with ten any
more team home games and maybe road games for the

(16:53):
foreseeable future. This came out of the Pacers on social media,
So I get it. You know, you're rooting for the team,
You're emotional. You know, it is an emotional game. It
was a tough game. It was a tight game. Your
son's playing, but come on, control yourself. I mean, I'm
seeing things now that I do.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
You see this when you played.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Honestly, I don't remember watching games and seeing things like this,
you know.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
And they're common now.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
It's not like, oh wow, that happened, but it's like
you're just waiting for the next what to happen. I
don't understand what changed, what changed, like and I don't
want to go to big time, you know, spread a
big umbrella here, But I don't know what changed in
our society that people can feel free to go on
a court, to attack an athlete, to throw things, you know,
to get them in public and just you know, get

(17:40):
in their face. When did that start? Did that start
with social media? I don't know. I don't understand. I
really don't.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
It has look I mean, I've always felt like it's
been a part of the conversation, Like some of these
things have always been a part of the landscape of
pro sports where you have fans engaged and people going
back and forth, and the conversation is just that it's
up close and personal. Access has changed because they you're
given more access now to fans in those things. So

(18:13):
I don't I don't think it's anything new. It just
happens to be someone's dad that was involved. As opposed
to a regular traditional fan.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
It amazes me. I mean that that this is happening.
I mean, and just this past week, you had the
situation when in the draft, you had the situation with
you know, the prank call, you had the Halliburton thing,
and the Pacers game. You had some lunatic and I
shouldn't even turn to use the term lunative, but some
guy fell out of the stands at a baseball game.

(18:43):
Thank goodness. I read the other day that you know,
he's out of the coma. So I mean, it just
maybe it's alcohol. Maybe the alcohol has something to do
with it. I don't know, but I just don't remember
things like this happening. You know, back in the day,
it wasn't attacking people. It was people streaking on the
baseball field. That's what they used to do during a

(19:03):
baseball game. Remember that they were on the field without
any clothes off. But you know, TV got smart. They
didn't put it on TV so you couldn't see it,
so the guys stopped doing it. I mean, Other than that,
there's always been some crazies out there, but I think
it's gone to a new level right now. It really has.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
I mean, everybody wants to be famous. Everyone seeks attention
in those things. And that's I mean, this is kind
of what we have, Like we have people who are
kind of going off the grid to make it about
them as opposed about their team.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
You know, you're exactly right, you know, they want to
make it about them. So when they did the prank call,
they probably could have got away with it, but they're
so stupid what they did for the attention factor. They
recorded it, they probably put it on social media and
everybody saw that and they saw who did it. That's
they do. And a lot of criminals do that, you know,
I mean, they do it to be famous. They or

(19:52):
though they think they're famous, so they get on social
media and the police and law enforcement catch them. That's
what they do. I mean, it just it doesn't make
any sense. And you know, honestly, you know, to me,
I'd rather watch a game at home on TV than
even go to a game and sit in the stands
with somebody's crazy. I go to a Cincinnati Bengals getting
when they're playing the Pittsburgh Steelers, I see guys get
punched out on the plaza level. Really, I mean, to

(20:14):
get into a fight over a football game as a fan.
I don't understand it. I really do know. I saw
a guy get knocked out on a plaza level at
Paul Brown Stadium now pay Court Stadium, when the Steelers
are playing the Bengals. A Bengal fan and a Steeler fan.
They probably were tanked up on beer and they were
just throwing punches at each other and one was laid
out on the ground. I don't understand. I really don't.

(20:35):
I mean, is it that important to root for a
team and take it to the next level and fight.
I guess to some people it is.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, I mean it's always been important like that, just
as part of it. Like when you root for your team,
you root for your team, and so those loyalties run deep.
So I mean it happens obviously you've been the games.
I mean, people really ride it out for their team.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
It's amazing. It really is. Like we got to move on.
I want to go into something a little more pleasant.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Really.

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we talked about Shudre Sanders who got punked in the
NFL draft. Guess what he wasn't alone? Bucky Brooks, he
was not alone. And I got a list over here

(22:38):
guys who basically were punked also in that draft. They're
investigating a series of calls after Abdul Carter, Mason Graham,
Tyler Warren, Kyle McCord, and Chase Lunt reported their own incidents.
How do you like that? Carter, Graham and Warren, they
were all in the first round. They were picking the
first round, with the former two going in the top

(22:59):
five to the New York and Cleveland Browns. Okay, and
Carter later told the media that someone claimed to be
the Jacksonville Jaguars when they reached him on his private number.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
That do you hear about that?

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Because that's your baby.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I did not hear about that, but I'm not surprised.
I mean, people were throwing all kinds of stuff out
there to see if they could kind of I just
put a little damper on people's days.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
This is really sick, it really is. I mean, I
don't even laugh at this stuff, and I'm I'm kind
of open to laughing at a lot of things. But
the offensive tackle just Connolly Jr. He was a first
round pick of the Commanders. He said to the DC's
radio station one O six point seven the Fan that
he got one prank call as well, specifically from a
Colorado resident pretending to be the Denver Broncos. All right,

(23:47):
that's amazing, because I just don't understand how open these
phone calls or the phone numbers are. I don't get it.
Because the NFL said they only provided private phone numbers
to teams for the fifteen players who attended the draft
in Green I don't understand how these these phone numbers
become so open and so public. I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
The reason the reason why the numbers were open because
they were emailed. They're distributed to everybody. That's not the
normal protocol. But because people change their numbers at the
last minute. Uh, they were trying to lead was trying
to get it out to everybody so they had it.
It's important to have all the information on draft days
so you can pick up the call. It's customary to
call a player before you're going to pick him to one.

(24:27):
Make sure that you talk to him before you put
the card in to make sure everything is good with
him and to be able to exchange pleasantries with him.
The general manager of the head coach directly. So it
is not uncommon for the numbers to be distributed. It's
uncommon for the numbers to land in the hands of
some of the people that are landed in.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Now here's my take on this. This is going to
be a game now for draft day in the future.
And what do I mean by that? People have a
sick sort of like ego in the sense that they're
gonna have individual best like I could do, what you
could do, whatever it might be, and they're gonna have
a lot of people doing this. So I think that
the more publicity, the more exposure this this prank stuff gets,

(25:08):
the more pranks that will happen down the road. Maybe
I'm wrong, but I hope I am because it's stupid,
it really is. But I just gotta believe there's gonna
be people who are gonna be wagering. That's what they're
gonna do. They're gonna wager. I bet I could prank
this guy. I bet I could prank this guy. And
the more it gets exposed, the more people are gonna
do it. That's just the way it is.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
I mean maybe. I mean, it's a copycat society, so
people are gonna do some of these things. Like hopefully
we can move past it. It's something that should never happen.
These guys shouldn't be subject to this kind of stuff,
and the league should find a way to rectify it.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
I agree with you right now. I don't know what
they could do. I mean, obviously these phone numbers will
be a lot more discreet, but I don't know what
they could do. That's their problem, not mine or us.
So we move on, and I want to talk a
little bit. Should do saying this because I give him
a lot of credit the way he held up during
that draft, picked one forty four on the fifth round.
He went through living hell, no doubt about that. And
there was a comment by Tom Brady was Tom Brady

(26:03):
apparently watched the draft with Michael Strahan from Good Morning America,
and Tom Brady said something I thought was very smart.
He says there was more pressure on shuduor Sanders than
it was on him on Tom Brady. Why is that?
Because Brady was not a guess, wasn't pit until the
sixth round, and he wasn't pited prior to the draft
as a first round selection. Sheduer Sanders was everybody thought

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he would be a first round pick. So there was
not that much pressure really on Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Now there wasn't because no one expected Tom Brady. There
weren't any expectations for Tom Brady. Typically, when a guy's
taken into fifth, sixth, or seventh round, you don't have
significant expectations. The depicts on those days are whatever viewed
as developmental players like their kids who were brought in.
You hope that they're able to flash enough that you

(26:54):
keep them around and in time they develop and become contributors.
Not even that they become starters, but they become tributors, backups,
role players, special team standouts or whatever. And so for
Shudur to come in as a fifth round pick, that
would be the normal plight, that would be the normal
plan that is a fifth ron pick. You're hoping to
latch on, maybe be a practice squad player, maybe be
a third quarterback and those things. The problem is because

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he has so much hype around him, because there's so
many people that expected him to be the first quarterback
take and after cam Ward was selected, he comes in
with the devil level of intrigue. So even though the
draft status says one thing, the outside world is going
to view him as another because we have spent and
we continue to spend a lot of the time discussing

(27:38):
Shadur Sanders as the face of the twenty twenty five
NFL Draft.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
There's no doubt about that. I'll tell you what. The
NFL behind closed doors probably loved it because the ratings
went through the roof and it was all about your
door standers. You know, I felt bad for Shador, But
the point is that as far as the NFL is concerned,
they were a big time winner because I think the
ratings went through the roof and it was all about
your door stet. He was the kingpin. He was the
focal point of the draft. He really was. Was he

(28:04):
going to get drafted early? On the fact that he didn't,
everybody was holding their breath saying when will he get drafted?
So it was a very successful draft for the NFL,
not so much for Shadull Sanders. Now, Tom Brady came
back and told Michael Strahan in that same meeting when
they were together, he says, it doesn't matter when you're picked.
I sort of disagree. Do you agree with that statement

(28:25):
that it doesn't matter when you're picked in the draft?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
I mean, like, I think what people are saying, it
really doesn't matter. Like, ultimately you're gonna have an opportunity
to prove yourself. So when you come in first round
to seventh rounder, it doesn't matter. Now what round you
come in will lead to how many opportunities you have
to show improve But yeah, everyone's gonna have an opportunity
to play because ultimately the game is decided. Teams are

(28:52):
decided by how you perform in between the lines. So
Sanders and other late round picks will have an opportunity
to show if they can make it or not. It
just will be probably far fewer opportunities than you would
have if you were a top pick.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
So basically what he's implying here is that you'll have
a chance to make the team no matter what. And
I guess in Sanders situation, he's been taken fifth by
the Browns, he's going to be in the same spot
that he's been in now, is if he was picked
in the first or second round, because he's got competition
coming from who Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett and Joe
flat though. He's got to compete with those guys no
matter where he was drafted anyway, right.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Yeah, but now it's just a matter of how do
the Browns div you up opportunities. Typically, you know your
third round pick will get more than your fifth round
pick just because you expect your third round pick to
be on the team. Your fifth round pick is not
a given to be on the team. But once they
made the decision to take Sanders, they had to put

(29:50):
a plan. They will put a plan in place to
make sure everyone gets a fair shake. It'll be different,
it'd be hard to do. There'd be a lot of
intrigue and a lot of attention play on Sanders just
because of him being a Sanders and all the other stuff.
And then he'll have to figure it out, like the
team will figure out who ultimately makes the team and
in which one of the four is QB one.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
You know, it's funny because initially you know, you're happy
he finally got drafted, and the only difference being from
where he was supposed to be drafted is to the
fifth round. He's gonna make a lot less money. But
now you bring up something very interesting. He got Gabriel, Picket, Flacco,
and Sanders. That has four quarterbacks, and in the minds
of the personnel people, you know, you're right. He got

(30:34):
drafted in the fifth round. But he's probably head and
shoulders better than Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel agreed, And
Joe Flacco's too old anyways for the future. I mean,
he's a stopgut band aid kind of guy. I think
it's forty years old.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Yeah, I'm not going to disrespect any of those guys
by saying that he's head and shoulders better. I don't know.
We won't know until we play. All the stuff that
we've done in the draft, all of that talking about
what we think people are going to be, we won't
know into play the pros because everyone who dominates in
college doesn't dominate in the pros. And this will be
a chance for us to see if your durs Sanders

(31:08):
is as good as we talked about him leading up
to the draft, yeah, he should be a better player
than Dylan Gabriel and potentially better than Kenny Pickett and
Joe Flacco. But we won't know until he gets the ball.
Unto Dylan Gabriel gets the ball, until Kenny Picket gets
the ball. In that environment, we won't know anything. The
thing that we do know, the last time Joe Flacco
played in Cleveland, he was an NFL Comeback Player of
the Year, So I won't dismiss him as a Super

(31:31):
Bowl champion and the guy who's played for a long
time in the league to say that he can't play,
I will say that for sure, Durr Sanders to win
the job over the competition, he is going to have
to play at an unbelievable level to win it coming
out of training camp. It can be done, but it's
uncommon for a fifth round pick to be a starter
at any position by the end of training camp. Uncommon.

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That is not the likely course of events.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Okay, so explain this to me, because again I'm going
back with your experience being a player and scout. Whatever
it may be. All Right, fifth round pick, they play
four preseason games, and is he going to start the
preseason game? Will he get that fair chance being a
fifth round pick, Because going right now on the depth shot,
I probably think that Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback.

(32:17):
On the depth chart, he's number one, But how does
he get the fair amount of reps and snaps, be
it in practice or in game situations, because I'm sure
if he doesn't, there's going to be some holy hell
to pay from either him or his daddy. They're going
to say like he never got a fair shake. So
he's got to get that fair opportunity to play, right,

(32:39):
how do you fit that in with four quarterbacks four
preseason games? Does he get an entire game to start?
He's going to be playing with the B team, not
with the A team, So that right away is behind
the eight ball. He's got a long haul to go
to try to make this ball club.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Yes, he has a long hol to go, and everyone
has to understand that. So the pieus guy think about
him coming out of nowhere to win the job, that
is probably being too presumptuous. The first thing that Shoulder
Sanders has to do, like all late round picks have
to do is he has to make a team. He
has to make the team. He has to show enough
in practices to warrant consideration. As a guy who makes

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the fifty three, he is going to get the last
of the reps in preseason games. They only have three
preseason games, So the fifth round picks and those guys
the late round players, they normally play the end of
the third in the entire fourth quarter. That's what in
the first game. The second game, maybe they get in
in the fourth quarter, and in the third game they

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may or may not play, depending on where their status
is on the team or on the cut line and
those things. So in reality, will he get enough reps
to be able to win the job. It's gonna be hard.
It's gonna be very, very difficult for him to do
it unless he comes out to Gate Humming and many
can and OTAs to put himself in a position where

(34:02):
they're like, hey, well, you know what, maybe we have
something in training camp to give him a legitimate look.
But training camp is abbreviated. So he has to win
the job in essence, two weeks in training camp to
be able to put himself in a position to legitimately
win the jobb in games.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah, and a terrible thing for me to say, but
I'll say it anyway that he's probably hoping. I don't
think he is, but fans of his are hoping that
maybe someone hurts themselves he's got a shot to play. Really,
someone breaks down, not a serious injury, but the guy
who has to go to the bench because he can't play.
That's the only way he may be moving up on
the depth chart.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I mean, that's a part of it. I mean, but
injuries happened. I mean, you don't wish for that, but yeah,
circumstances have to go his way for him to get
an opportunity to play. They will try and create one.
Like so maybe early in training camp, Joe Flacco just
kind of chills. They make it a three quarterback race, Pickett, Gabriel,
and Sanders to see who can be the one that

(35:01):
ultimately competes with Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco probably needs the
fewest reps of anybody because he's played the most in
the league and a couple of years ago they picked
him off the couch and he came and had success.
But yeah, those first that first game is going to
be huge on Gabriel him and pick it because they
all have to have an opportunity to play. Look, it's

(35:22):
not the most ideal situation, but that's the situation he's in.
He has to see himself as the underdog, even though
we will talk about him as the favorite, and then
he has to figure out how to get it done.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Shadua Sanders is like stunning in the Kentucky Derby in
the back row. That's what he's doing right now. He
really is. I hope he makes it. I'm pulling for
miamim I really am. All right, Bucky Brooks, Andy Furman,
this is Fox Sports Sunthing on Fox Sports Radio. It's
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Speaker 2 (36:01):
All right, asked Bucky. Coming right up, This is Fox
Sports Sunday and Fox Sports Radio Buckets Bucky Brooks, I
mean Andy Firmanent. We're live from the Fox Sports Radio
studios and it's about ten minutes before the top of
the hour on a Sunday yes, all right, here we go,
ask buckets time, let's talk about Major League Baseball. Major
League Baseball in the month of April averaged twenty seven

(36:21):
two hundred and sixty one patrons per game, which is
the best attendance since twenty seventeen. All right, now, I'm thinking,
maybe it's the pitch clock. Maybe it's the Mets success,
maybe the Dodgers success. I don't know one of the factors.
Why is Major League's baseball attendants best in April since
twenty seventeen. Bucky Brooks, The game is a little.

Speaker 3 (36:42):
More exciting because of the pitch clock. You kind of
know that it's going to go fast. It's not the
long drawn out game that we're accustomed to. And I'll
be honest, like it's a great activity for the family.
Like when you have kids and you want to connect,
there's nothing better than a connect over a baseball game.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
You're probably right, nothing better than going through the game
under the sun, under the sun during the day. Now,
by the age of twenty six years, Jason Brown, you
may know him, Jason Brown was already the highest paid
center in NFL history. Three years later, he walked away
from the game of football and he became a farmer.
Can you explain that to me? He knew nothing about farming.

(37:20):
He's a farmer right now. Leaving the NFL.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Well, he played in North Carolina and he just decided
that he had a passion for it, and he's fully
dedicated himself to being a farmer. He wanted to find
a way to help people and he felt like but
he could help people the most by providing quality food options.
So look, I flawed him. I think we all in
sports have to get on at some point with the

(37:44):
next mission in life. And so he found a passion,
he found a mission for him to pursue. So hats
off to him.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I did some research on him. Instead of going on
for football in high school, he was in the marching
band during his freshman year in Northern Vance High School.
I guess that's in North Carolina, well Northern Vans. Yeah, amazing,
It's great. I love it. I mean, he did what
he wanted to do, and good for him. Really. Okay,
we mentioned this in passing a little while ago, but

(38:12):
I'm just saying, how happy do you think NBA officials
are with the possibility of Oklahoma City and Cleveland in
the finals. Maybe not so much NBA officials, maybe the
TV networks because you know, you're looking at Oklahoma City
and Cleveland that big time major markets like Boston, La,
New York.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
I mean, look, I think they want stars, and what
we do know is shake Yodis Alexander and Donovan Mitchell
are stars, and so the star players mad I remember
Lebron James played in Cleveland and the NBA didn't have
any issue with Cleveland being in the finals then, so
I don't see that they will have a problem with
them making the finals.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now, all right, Okay, we go to in the situation here.
Yesterday was the Kentucky Derby. So I wanted to get
Bucki's bucket list, your top five sporting events, and is
the Kentucky Derby be on that list? On your bucket list?

Speaker 3 (39:03):
The Kentucky Derby would be on the bucket list. I
would love to go to a Grand Prix.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
I just had a conversation my daughter about that. I
would say, she.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Wants to go to she wants to go to Grand Prix.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, So we pick a Grand Prix to go to
because she's watching some show f one maybe on Netflix.
So Kentucky Derby f one. I would love to go
to the French Open tennis to see that out. I
would like to go to a Stanley Cup finals to
finish that, and then I would like to finish it
going to an Olympics or some not necessarily in LA

(39:36):
because that's the next one, but Olympics out of our country.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
You know, I'm really impressed with the vast gamut that
you've kind of covered this blanket of your top five
events and you left out I guess the super Bowl.
You know, to you, you've been there, done that, so
it's not a big deal. Maybe that's the way it's
not on the list. But some of the World Series.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Already been already. Yeah, I've already been. I've already been
a bunch of those things. I haven't been to a
World Series game that would be next, but I hope
when the Dodgers go again, I'll check that out. But yeah,
all those other things I've attended amazing.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
That's great. I love to hear that. I had one
more question to you, but I think I'm gonna hold
that out for you and we'll do that. But right now,
he's only human, So what's the big deal that?

Speaker 1 (40:17):
And more?

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Where Fox Sports Sunday coming up right here next. Hey,
what's wrong with control? We'll get to that in just
about a minute. Good morning, everybody, this is Fox Sports Sunday,
Fox Sports Radio. We're bro testing life from the Fox
Sports Radio studios. I mean, Deferman. And he's my guy,
he's my partner, he's my friend, He's Bucky Brooks. And

(40:39):
away we go this there's a lot to talk about, Bucky.
And I wanted to ask if you had even watched
the Kentucky Derby yesterday.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I did not watch it. I saw all the stuff.
I mean, look, I know the Kentucky Derby is to rage.
A few years ago athletes of other sports decided to
make it kind of like the thing to do, so
you see a lot of guys going to it. But
I didn't get a chance and check it out yesterday.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You know, I was shocked because I do live in
the Great Commonwealth of Kentucky and I've been to several
Kentucky Derbies. I didn't go yesterday. It was pouring rain
and it was mud all over the place where they
still had one hundred and forty seven thousand people, which
I'm shocked, I really am. I think the record was
like twenty twenty three they had one hundred and fifty
thousand plus, which is again a tremendous which tells me

(41:23):
that it's not the sport of horse racing. It's a
social event. It's a place to say I've been there,
done that, I want to be seen over there. And
I think sports right now has turned maybe into like
events more than sports. What I mean by that that
you want to go to the super Bowl, you want
to go to the Kentucky Derby, want an NBA Finals
opening day in baseball in Cincinnati to have a parade,

(41:45):
it's a big deal. The rest of the season, you know,
unless they're winning, unless it's a big team coming in
to play or some big time player coming in. That's
basically it. It's events. That's what sports has become. I believe.
Maybe I'm wrong. I think it's an event type of thing,
except maybe the NFL, because every Sunday is an event
and there's only a certain amount of games. It's seventeen games,

(42:07):
but if you live in an NFL city, you're only
going to get eight, maybe nine, that's what you get.
So it's an event, that's what it is.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
I think, Yeah, it is a social event. And the
big thing about the Kentucky Derby is all about the fashion.
It's all about like getting dressed to the knives, which
is what a lot of athletes and a lot of
celebrities are into, like seeing be CNB seen, and they
want to show off how they put it together. So
you saw Jackson darr and a bunch of NFL and

(42:37):
players at the event kind of showing off being dressed
to the nids. And so it's become a very very
fun and festive event that everyone wants to see. And oh, by,
the race is a horse races as part of the backdrop.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Right, And speaking of dressing to the nines, I'm going
to go at a little down the road and maybe
go in the opposite direction dressing to the ones. And
dressing to the ones was my favorite guy, Bill Belichick
and his interview last Sunday on CBS Sunday Morning. He
was wearing a Navy football sweatshirt with a hole in
it and he's dressing to the ones. You know, that's
his parrogative. He wants to do that. That's fine. You know,

(43:10):
he wants to be different, and I get it. I'm
not gonna argue with the guy. I love him, He's
been great to me, and I'll love to knock the guy.
And everybody's knocking the guy. You know what, I'm going
to tell you why they're knocking him. He's got a
girlfriend's twenty four years of age. He's seventy three.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
You know.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Is it weird? Is it strange? It's not the norm.
I get it, But you know what, people that are
knocking him are old guys that are jealous because they
can't get a twenty four year old girlfriend. Maybe I'm wrong,
Maybe I'm out of turn. Maybe I'm stupid for saying
that leave him alone. I don't get it. But you're
a North Carolina guy. Let's start from square one. Belichick's
your coach right now. Obviously, a coach the same age

(43:48):
basically of Bill Belichick left retired is no longer there.
You would think they would have gone through a younger guy,
maybe even with college experience. House shocked, weyure that Belichick
got the job. What are you hearing from your alma mater?

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Look, I mean, obviously it's a big deal when a
Super Bowl champion takes over a college program, because no
one had that on the radar when he came to Carolina.
The one thing that he did is he kind of
brought instant credibility in terms of his coaching style, his
actually his resume, all of those things. All that has
been great. He's been well received in North Carolina. The

(44:26):
girlfriend thing has become a thing that went from being
interesting to now just more so like fodder for everyone
to weigh in and in a very intense and highly
competitive environment that is college recruiting, it has been something
that people can negatively use against Belichick and the school
and those things because he looks like he's the out

(44:47):
of control old man who everything is passed him by.
He has this young girl who's running everything. Now his
relationship is his relationship, and I would say his relationship
may not be any different than the relationship Nick Saban
had with his wife, Miss Terry. Miss Terry was very
intimately involved with things that went in the program because
that's what Saban wanted. If Bill Belichick wants his girlfriend

(45:10):
to be heavily involved in the things that are related
to North Carolina that come his way, then so be it.
But it's something to talk about because the people that
hated Belichick, this is just more fuel to the fire
another way to get at him for being who he's
always been. For those that support him, they'll blow it
off and laugh it off, like, hey man, it's an

(45:30):
old man found a high little chick to hang out with,
and that's what it is. I mean, look, it's unusual
in terms of the age gap, but let's be real.
He is not the first rich, older man who's had
a young piece of candy on his arm.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
I hear what you're saying. No, it's funny because I
think if Bill Belichick went to coach college, be in
North Carolina or any other college back in the day
before NIL, I think he'd be in trouble because I
think from an NFL standpoint, going to someone's home to
recruit a kid, I think it's a different situation where
you lose that power. The fact that there's nil. I
think Belichick has an untapped resource of money. He could

(46:12):
go out there and almost get any college kid he
wants for a his name and be the checkbook. I
really believe he could get that kind of money. He
signed the contract in North Carolina for ten million dollars.
He's got an opportunity he could get out of that
deal in a year if he wants to, if the
NFL calls him again, I mean, he's got whatever it takes.
He got whatever he wants in North Carolina. And I

(46:33):
love that the fact that he's got the young girlfriend
over there, Jordan, and obviously he's got her as a
chief operating officer of Belichick Productions. I think it's a
great situation because she could relate to the college kids.
And I think Bill Belichick, as you know, he's called Twitter,
you know, Twitter space and whatever it may be, because

(46:54):
he doesn't know much about that, nor should he at
his age because he's not used to it. But he's
got the girl. Wasn't handling that now?

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Yeah, I think he knows far more. I think he
likes to play games like he doesn't know. I'm sure
he's very aware. And look, man, when and we all
reach the age where we don't really care what outsiders
think about how we're living or what we're doing, he's
reached that point. I will say. Like the big thing
that people are harping on is because she's so intimately involved,

(47:23):
Like people that have kind of portrayed her as the climber,
the girl, the lady that has taken advantage of the
old man the lady who is using his celebrity to
feel her own dreams and desires to be famous. Well,
guess what, there are a lot of players and coaches
wives that do the same thing already. It is just

(47:45):
that the age disparity between the two has created this
icky feel to it. That's what some people would describe
it as. But make no mistake, man, when they started
doing basketball wives and real hopswives of whatever city that
they designate, like, there are a lot of wives that
are using their husband's fame to help launch their own

(48:08):
careers Like that is not uncommon. So we are seeing
this play out in full time, and there are some
people that don't like one the way that it's coming off.
Two they don't like Belichick, so any chance to have
a chance, to opportunity to take a shot at them,
they do. And Three, it's the slow season. There's nothing
to talk about, so people want to talk about this.

(48:30):
When they kick off the ball, the story and about
Jordan will go away and it will be about Belichick
and the ball.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
No doubt about that. Now, I hate to get too personal,
and if I am, if I'm treading on personal inside information,
just tell me and I'll stop. But you played the game,
you played in college, and you played in the NFL.
Did you see women, maybe not even with yourself, but
with teammates whatever, trying to latch on to get success,
to be status climbers because of athletes and the money

(48:57):
that they make. Did you see that or did it
happen to you?

Speaker 3 (49:01):
No, I mean it happens all the time. We see
it play out in real time. Like I just mentioned
all the shows and those shows spond other shows with
wives of athletes and uh, celebrities being on TV, and
everyone wants to be famous. I mean, look, no make Instagram,
social media. We have ig models, Instagram models, and OnlyFans

(49:24):
participants in everybody else where. There's this luss to be famous,
the luss to be someone that is viewed as a celebrity,
whether you're a real celebrity or not. So yeah, like
you see this and you can see the climbers and
the creators and everyone searching for that little bit of
fame that takes them to another level. So yeah, I
just see it. I've seen it. I see it. I've

(49:46):
seen it back in the day. I see it now.
It's kind of a part of the landscape.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I do it with you. I use I try to
climb up on the social lot because I tell everybody
I know, Bucky Brooks, really, I really do. That's what
I do. But getting to the CBS Sunday More, on
an interview, she jumped in, I'm talking about Jordan Hudson
and his girlfriend jumped in when they asked how they met,
and she said, we're not talking about this. And I
don't understand why that was such a big deal because
I think the ground rules as I read the ground

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rules were said prior to the interview. That's going to
be an interview to promote his new book, The Aught
of Winning Lessons for My Life in Football by Bill Belichick.
That's the deal. And I understand that. You know, that
was initially how this interviewer got in there to do
the interview, because Belichick doesn't do many interviews, and he said, well,
I'll do that to kind of promote my book, and

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he kind of went off on a tangent. But you know,
for her to do that, I have no problem with that,
and everybody went crazy. You know what if he would
have said that, I thought we weren't doing that. That
was initially discussed that. We're discussing my book. That's it.
What's the big deal? Who cares? I really don't care
how they met? And you know what we learned how
they met? Who was on a plane flight two years ago?

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Who cares? Does a public really care how they met?

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Honestly, the public years because we all are into gossip stuff, right,
So that's a part of it, Like there's this consumption,
there's this obsession with knowing everyone's business and the tea
and how did this seventy three year old man meet
this twenty four year old girl? Like, oh my god,

(51:17):
this is so inappropriate for someone who is decorated for bill,
like Bill Belichick, who with someone who is so young?
But I will say this, he's not the first older
man that we've seen grow out with a younger woman.
He won't be the last older man that we see
grow up with a younger woman. Look, if she wants
to hang out with him and he wants to hang
out with her, so be it, and whatever we think

(51:39):
about it, Like they're too grown, consenting adults. They entered
in a relationship of their own choice, and so whatever
it is, it is. And if he wants to spend
his golden years hanging out with twenty somethings. So be it.
I mean, I'm just saying, wherever we go, like it happens.
So I'm not surprised. I am particularly not surprised that

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someone famous is like cozied up to someone who is
young and someone deemed to be hot and all that
other stuff. That's That's just what I ask you this.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
It would there be as much pushback if there was
an older woman with a younger man. I don't think so,
I really don't. I think that's more acceptable than than
the older man and a younger woman. Maybe I'm wrong
and we don't see much of that, or maybe it's
not as we've seen it.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
I mean we've seen it. I mean we've seen that
stuff like Chris Jenner, Kim Kardashian's Moms with someone who's
significantly younger. We've seen it time and time again, like
it happens. We're at a point where we go back
and forth. I think the reason why it really resonates
is because of Bill Belichick and his star power, Like

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his name generates attention and clicks in those things, and
so right now it's the hot conversation to be involved
in between Shudurs and is in Bill Belichick. Those are
the things that are moving the needle in the news cycle.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Okay, I'm more concerned not with his romance and the
age gap with his girlfriend. I'm more concerned with the book,
which I ordered the book. I haven't gotten it yet.
But I'm more concerned that he didn't even mention Robert
Kraft in his book, And I think they could have
stayed on that because he spent twenty four years with
the Patriots and the owner Robert Kraft, and honestly, you
gotta like the fact that he's just meant not mentioning

(53:25):
him at all shows that I guess the hatred he had,
the way he was treated, and he was treated poorly.
He was treated poorly because you know, they asked if
he was fighting, he said no, he resigned, and I
think Craft probably told him to pack his bags and leave.
But the fact that he never mentioned Kraft in that
book speaks volumes, and that's where he could have stayed
on that and say, well, I don't get it. You

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work for the guy twenty four years. How do you
not mention the fact that he gave you a chance.
He were air and not a boo, not a mention
of Robert Kraft. I thought that was big. That's a
big thing.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
I think it is a big thing. But Robert Craft
didn't mention him. In that docu series with the Patriots,
they basically made it it was all about ownership and
Tom Brady. They didn't really talk about Bill Belichick and
his contributions in those things. It's unfortunate that something that
was unprecedented, the level of success that this team had
over twenty plus years, six super Bowl rings, look a

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franchise that really hadn't done anything until he took over.
They became the Evil Empire. And you know what happens
typically is when you have success, egos getting away. Everybody
wants credit for the success, and ownership wanted a significant
amount of credit for what took place on the field,

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and they should have some credit, but the credit should
be distributed amongst ownership, front office, coaches, players, everybody played
a role in the team having the level of success
that they attained.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Okay, I'm going to ask you, well, you're a North
Carolina guy, a proud graduate of the Tar Heels. Okay,
I'm sure you've talked to a lot of a lung
and people that are on the staff still, I'm going
to ask you a couple of Bill Belichick questions, and
what's happening down there in Chapel Hill right now? Now?
When North Carolina signed Belichick to a fifty million dollar
deal to turn their football program around, did the school

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realize that they may be going into a circus, that
it might be a circuit like it is right now.
It is somewhat of a circus now if he wins
and one really cares, but it's a bit of a
circus right now.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
I knew they thought it would bringing her out a
lot of attention, and initially a lot of that attention
was positive. Of lady's been negative and a lot of
the negative attention has been centered on the relationship with
the girlfriend, public records access that has come out about
her being you know, he's asked people to treat her

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as the point of contact when it comes to him.
I don't think that is uncommon Sometimes guys coaches, people
who are married would reference their wives as a point
of contact because they do a better job of organized
in their affairs than they do. Maybe Belichick is saying, hey,
let's you she's better that she can handle that. She

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knows my schedule, she can tell me what the big
things are that I need to know and handle that.
So some of that has led to like, well, how
intimately evolved is she when it comes to the ball
then the program and what is she doing again? Why
is a twenty four year old doing it? Whereas if
she was forty five years old, no one would talk
about her involvement in terms of what she's doing, how

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she's assisting him with some of the things that are
related to the program.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
Okay, now you've talked to Alongo obviously know what's going
on with the football program. But how many games do
you think good Belichick has to win for everybody to
find this not a distraction, Like everybody'll be happy. They'll say,
you know what, I'm happy with the status quo. Let
keep it going. How many games do you think he's
got to win next year? Ah?

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I mean, look, I think a reasonable expectation for people
will be anywhere eight to nine wins. If he's able
to get that, they'll be happy. And I would say
eight to nine on the high end. If they're seven
and five or whatever, people will be like mm. But
his first year on the program. Uh, this gonna be
an exaggerated expectation of what he's going to do right away.
But to me, a realistic thing would be if he

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is able to get to nine wins, that that would
be more than enough to be deemed a success.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Okay, here's a quiz question for you. Okay. Last week,
one of the two main characters on the Internet were
Jordan Hudson and Milk Kuiper. Melk Kiper on sat because
he went ballistic when they didn't pick she'ld do a
sandy until the fifth round. And obviously Jordan Hudson. What's
going on now with Bill Belichick? Who is the main

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character who is bigger on the internet in your mind?
Jordan Hudson or melk Kuiper.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Melk Kuiper was bigger just because of the milltown that
people talked about. All right, you can stop talking about it.
You can stop talking about the milltown.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
And honestly, I think mel Kiper would have done himself
a better service if he would have said, Okay, I'm wrong,
I made a mistake. He basically pointed a finger to
the National Football League and said they don't know anything
by not drafting, should do it?

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Early on.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
I mean, I thought that was wrong. Oh he made
a mistake, face up to it, you know.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Yeah, But I don't know if he necessarily made a mistake.
No one knows until we played the game. Just because
the league picked sure Dr Sanders where they picked him,
doesn't mean that he's wrong with his evaluation. We won't
know until after two or three years whether he was
wrong because if he's doing it the right way, he's
not to touting the player or drawing the report based

(58:32):
on where he's going to get picked. He's saying, hey,
this is how this guy is going to play. And
so when you say that, I believe that I'm a
grade him like this because in three years, I believe
he's going to play like this. That's different. You know,
how they come into the league is strictly pole position.
How they play is ultimately determining fact on whether we
were right or wrong on the evaluation.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
You know what, I'm glad you brought that up because
all I saw this past week, right after the draft,
every publication was saying grades for the draft, and I
think that's the most ridiculous stupid thing I've ever seen.
How do you give teams a grade? I mean, how
do you know. I mean, if a team and maybe
the player was not that good in college, but he's
coming in there with a high ceiling and he's going

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to fill a void for that team in that position,
how do you give a team a C? I mean,
I don't understand how you grade them, but that's what
they do, and they do it every single year, and
people do it all the time. I don't believe in it.
Do you believe in these grading system? I think it's stupid,
I really do.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I mean, I think a lot of it is stupid,
but a lot of it is clickbait. A lot of
it is like fans want to know. They're obsessed with it.
So whenever you put out a list of grades, it
is always going to do well in terms of driving,
traffic or whatever. It's too soon to really know what
the plan is and how the plan played out, because

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we haven't seen them play and we don't have a
clear vision for how the team wants to utilize them.
A lot of times, when you are a person that
is giving grades, you're giving grades based on who you
like in the draft, not necessarily who you think they
should like or how it will work out. There's so
many little rules. I mean to the way that we

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engage the content that you just don't know and depended
upon how you come about it will depend on how
you present it, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I'm talking about presenting it. They'll go back that. Bill
Belichick came out with a statement earlier last week saying
that his girlfriend Jordan was not attempting to control the conversation,
and I guess people thought that she was. He said,
it's not true when she basically said, we're not talking
about this when they asked how they met, and he

(01:00:41):
said it was a false narrative. I mean, and I'm saying,
what's the big deal about trying to control the situation
to make yourself look good? And basically Belichick came back
with a big statement later in the week. I think
it was like Wednesday or Thursday this past week. I think,
to me, if I'm the pr guy, let it die.
I mean, it's just like putting another log on the fire.

(01:01:02):
People kept on talking about it. I know it probably
irked him because he's always had control. Bill, they talked
about control. He's controlled the media all his life. Really,
remember what he said, We're moving on to Cincinnati. I mean,
come on, he's controlled the media every single Sunday, every
Wednesday when he had meetings with the news conferences. So
now I guess he was a little bent out of

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shape because when someone said he's trying to control the interview,
I mean, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
He's always held back. They say, and maybe you've heard
this from your friends in the league that people were
afraid on the New England Patriots to say the wrong
thing to the media for fear of Bill Belichick's vicious
attacks to him. They didn't talk to the media the players.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Yeah, I mean, that's kind of part of the deal.
You don't you don't want certain things to get out.
I understand it. I'm not mad at it. That's just
kind of way the way that he goes and I understand,
like there's a lot of intrigue, there's a lot of stuff.
I'm telling it's just like it's clickbait. This is very
easy for it to become a bigger story, and that's

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why we continue to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
There we go, and we're gonna keep on talking about it.
We're gonna do everybody's gonna talk about it until they
kick the first to kick the first field goal. That's
what's gonna come and talk. That's what they do, all right,
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I will talk about the Los Angeles Lakers. You know
why they're done. They're toast, they're finished if they are
one all three ninety six home loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves,
and it's it's not even a shock, okay. And throughout
that five game series with the t Wolves, who was
clear Minnesota was better. They were deeper and bigger and

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more athletic, okay. And there's a lot of questions right
now about the LA Lakers, Lebron James and his future,
Luka Doncik's his defense and obviously the coaching of JJ Reddick.
And what do you think about that? Because you love
the LA Lakers, I know you do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
No, I really don't, but I have opinions, I think
obvious to anyone who was watching the series. Look, by
the end of the second game, you kind of knew
that Minnesota was the better team. You know, they had
the more talent, they were younger, they were athletic, and
from a matchup standpoint, it was just a bad matchup
for the Lakers. Their linked their athleticism would give them problems.

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But I think the thing that came out of it
is telling for all of those people who were giving
the Mavericks a tough time on why they got rid
of Luca, this might have been a little peak behind
the curtain as to why they got rid of Luca.
The conditioning and those the lack of conditioning. The things
that JJ Reddick alluded to were the same things that

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Nico Harrison talked about, and he didn't specifically put it on. Look,
you talked about the entire team, but you knew he
was talking about when we watched the games. It'd be
interesting over time because there's so much vitriol towards Nico
Harrison for making that trade. Will he ultimately be vindicated
if the Lakers don't win and don't win at a
high level, even though they have one of the top

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five six players in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
You took about Rudy Gobert, I mean, he dominated that
series and he dominated that final game. And Shaquille O'Neill
basically has always been like a Rudy Golbert hater, but
he admitted even on TV that Rudy Goldbert was the
reason Minnesota was dominating the Lakers, at least in the
first half. In that game the other day, that one
O three ninety six win for Minnesota. Rudy Golbert seven footer. Okay,

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he was twelve to fifteen, twenty seven points, twenty four rebounds,
nine of those were offensive, and two blocks. So that
basically went back to other reporter was asking JJ Reddick
prior to Game five. I'm not saying these media people
in LA are brutal, but at least they're not afraid
to ask the big questions and what are the reporters said.
I don't know who it was, but this is what

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he said. Quote, as you watch the film, what do
you recall about your thought process in the moment sticking
with the five in the fourth quarter the other day?
And is there an assistant of someone that you can
maybe lean on tonight to try to get other players
involved tonight going into the fifth game, and Reddick comes
back and saying, are you saying that because I'm inexperienced,

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that I was an inexperienced decision that I made. Do
you think I don't talk to my assistance about substitutions
every single time out? I mean, right away, Reddick's under defensive,
and you know what he did. He started, He went
with that small team. You can't go to a small
team against those twin towers in Minnesota. You can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
Yeah. I understand why he got mad, though, because the
dude painted the picture like he didn't know or that
he didn't talk, and he did a kind of insinuate
that JJ was inexperienced and he was kind of doing it,
and those are inexperienced mistakes, right or wrong. I mean,
JJ snap because look, he's sensitive to that. He also

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is a fierce competitor and everyone has been on him
in the entire year because people felt like he got
the job unfairly, he didn't do the right of passage.
He kissed the ring like he and Lebron were tired.
When we're doing a podcast, and now JJ Reddick is
coaching Lebron and Bronni all of those things. But he'll
learn that he can't fight the power depend But he

(01:07:26):
also should go back and forth, should engage in banter
when people challenge him and say little Snyde remarks about
his coaching, that's okay. It's okay to be confrontational. You know,
it's just a matter of like backing it up when
you do have those conflicts.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
You mentioned the term clicks earlier today. I basically sometimes
I think reporters, media people, and I've been there too.
I've been there, done that, you know, clicks a response controversy.
I'm not saying this reporter did it intentionally. I think
it was a normal question to ask, But really, JJ
Reddick could have just said, we're going to go back

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look at the film and see what we could do
and make adjustments. That's allly how to say. He took
a real personal and maybe he should have because I
think in his mind he knew that he screwed up.
You know, they lost that game, not because Minnesota had
a lot better talent and they did because he didn't
match up correctly. That's why they basically lost, and they
couldn't hit a shot. They couldn't hit a shot. They
couldn't they couldn't have. No, if Minnesota was better from

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the field shooting, they would have won by forty.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Really yeah, I mean, like, look, if they take care
of business they do, it shouldn't be a close game.
But if you're the Lakers, you're sitting there and you're
looking like, man, we're right there. We just got to
finish the game. They didn't have They didn't take advantage
of the opportunities, and really it came down to the
fourth quarter. Part of the reason why they talked about
championship shape and conditioning is because in the fourth quarter

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the Lakers faltered. It was a ridiculous number of points
that timber was put up, but it was a significant margin.
They won by forty plus and fourth quarter production. Yeah,
I mean, that's how it is. You don't win, you're
not set up for success in the fourth court. You
don't have a hard time winning in the playoffs, especially
with the playoffs returning to the competitive, physical, grinded out

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affair that has become.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
I would say this Anthony Edwards or the Minnesota Timberwolves,
was the best player on the floor for most of
that series, even though Luca and Lebron were on the
court at the same time, I would still say Anthony
Edwards was the best player on the floor.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Agreed, Yeah, I would agree, and Man dominated. And what
I love from ant Man is he's unapologetically competitive. We
saw last year he just missed Joker and KD and
talked to him the whole time. Same thing about depends
like that. I mean, that's who he is, That's who
he's always been. He's a fierce and dog competitor.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
No doubt about that. Now, the next question, we talked
about JJ Reddick, We talked about the team that that
Minnesota basically was just a better team. What about Lebron?
I mean, they asked him. He said he hasn't made
a decision yet in his future. You know, why should
he retire? You know, I thought Lebron played well. You know,
obviously he can't play, you know, forty eight minutes as
he did before. The guy's forty forty one years old

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next year. But he did rest a little bit on defense,
and he's not moving as much as he used to
move on offense. But he's still giving you points and
he's there when you need him. But you know, moving
forward for a future. He's not the guy you build around.
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I think there's enough, there
are enough qualities where you certainly want to build around him,
but you want to see more consistency and all those
things and all actions. It'd be interesting to see how
they elected do it, because Lebron going out like all
this stuff like how what that first domino to drop

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kind of sets up how you handle the other dominoes
and you know, Polinka, those guys have hoped that decisions
are made.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Quickly, just no doubt. Now, there was a story that
came out I think late yesterday afternoon that said he
would not come back with a pay cut. All right,
I'll blame him. I mean, really and truly, I mean
and honestly, I think that he's going to draw the
crowds because people in various cities will be thinking, this
may very well be the last time I could see

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him play. I mean, when he comes to Indianapolis next year,
I want to go because it may be the very
last time I see Lebron playing person.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
It's a fairwell tour, I understand that. And you're right,
we'll see if he gives us one. I think he
will because that option, that player option is fifty four
million dollars. No one wants to walk away from fifty
million dollars, No I did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I don't think that. You know, I understand Laker fans
are upset. I understand that the Lakers as a whole,
the team's play upset. But honestly, going into the series,
don't you think that even JJ Reddick knew was going
to be a a tough matchup and be there more
than we are. You know, Luca doesn't play defense, Lebron's old,

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and they got two big guys, and Rudy Gobert played crazy,
played out of his mind. All right, I just it
was just the cards weren't there. Minnesota is a better team.
They are, They really are. You know the fact that
no one really follows or knows much about the Minnesota
Timberwolves if you live out of Minnesota. But they're not
a bad team. They're really not not.

Speaker 3 (01:12:24):
I mean they're not. And look, this is a team
that had the trade. The trade impacted them. Karl Anthony
Town's going to the Knicks come bringing back Julius Randall
and Dante DiVincenzo. It took a while for them to
find their stride, but those guys have been critical to
their success. I mean, both guys have played big roles.
And it's one of the things that I would say

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about the Timberwolves. They're a rougher, tougher team now and
last year's team couldn't handle the physicality and toughness that
this year's team is said they endure.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Let me talk a little bit about coaching. We talked
about JJ reddick is lack of say, lack preparation for
lack of matchup and maybe the other players to match up. Okay,
I think coaching probably means more in the NBA than
in the National Football League, Am I correct? I mean
it's all about personnel, I think, and it's such a
breakdown in the National Football League because you have various

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coaches in various positions. In the NBA, what I saw
happen this year with the Detroit Pistons to turn around,
you know, we're just the coaching change from you know,
winning fourteen games a year ago and going taking the
Knicks almost to the limit, and they got robbed obviously
last week they got robbed and had no foul call
at the end. Of the game, although I still think
the Knicks are a better team. They did get robbed,

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but they played them tough and they are a tough team.
I think coaching means so much more in the NBA
than it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:43):
Football coaching doesn't matter. I think it matters at every level.
I think the best coaches have a way of putting
their impact on the game without anyone even really knowing that.
They don't talk about Oh look, just played it, I've done,
But it's the way they empower their players to play
fast and to play free and to be aggressive between
the lines. Sometimes there's through tactics. Sometimes there's just through

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a level of trust where you unempowered them and unlocked
them saying, hey, man, go get it. You see ball,
get ball, go make it happen. And JJ Reddick made
the Lakers much better, their improved offensive team. He did
a really good job of getting them to play at
a high level in his first year. Now, there were
some mistakes that were made in the playoffs. Personally, they
ran into a bad matchup, and that happens because the

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playoffs are all about matchups in the NBA. He'll learn
from it, he'll grow from it. But he has to
stewing it for a little bit, and that's what he's doing.
But that that disappointment is going to ignite an obsession
where he's gonna spend the offseason trying to figure out
how he can get better, how he can get a
team better.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
No doubt about that. All right, We're gonna try to
get better as well. He's Bucky Brooks, I Meany Furman
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of the album, it's time for our guy Patty for
yay rnay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Okay, let's figure rack those brains, gentlemen. These stories need
an answer.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
I think we need a ruling on this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
It's yay ornee. All right, guys, it is time for
a new day.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Do you play yay or nay?

Speaker 6 (01:15:25):
And I'm your host Patay on this wonderful day everybody.
All right, Hey, alright, I'm done with the puns and
the rhymes here. So guys, so what I got for
us here today? Let's go the first one here. So,
the Professional Women's Hockey League has officially named Seattle the
eighth team to be added to the league, set to
begin in the twenty twenty five slash twenty sixth season

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at Climate Pledge Arena yay or nay and Dee Furman nay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Who cares about women's hockey? Really? I was gonna say suddenly,
but I got myself in trouble. But you know, women
playing hockey. It's just I can't get into that. Soccer, yes,
track of field, Yes, swimming is hockey, even football, I could,
I could hear it, but I can't hitle hockey. I say, no,
forget it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:12):
No, nay, yeah no. When I when I think about
all of these things like it's a lot, I can't
handle it. I can't go. I'm with you on it.
I agree, I can't do it.

Speaker 6 (01:16:24):
Yeah, thank you Mark for the for this fun sounds
all right, Well we're gonna we're gonna go out of
hockey here, guys, We're gonna go to something else. So
ex Panthers star Steve Smith was sued for a legend
affair with the Ravens marching band member under a home
wreckerd law also known as alienation of affection law, which

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allows a spouse to sue a third party for destroying
a marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Yeay or nay, Bucky Brooks, Yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Being from North Carolina, I am not surprised they have things.
There are certain acts that are illegal, so I'm surprised
it came to light about Steve Smith, but not surprised
about it being on the books. In terms of that
being a law, it's the Bible belt.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Huh. You know what I'm gonna say, nay. And let
me tell you why I say nay on this. I
think that some guy of the husband of the alleged woman,
they're looking for money. If it wasn't Steve Smith, they
wouldn't do it at all. But they think of Steve
Smith's got a little change, he got some cachet, he's
got some pr he's got money. They're gonna go after
his money, go after his wallet. That's why I say nay,

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get or leave him alone. Leave Steve Smith alone. And
Steve honestly a band member of marching. Come on, really,
what if she played at trombone? Come on, Steve really.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Fair point?

Speaker 6 (01:17:42):
Well, speaking of nay, but more if horse say nay,
the Ky Derby is bigger than the NFL Pro Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Yeah your nay, Andy Furman.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Yes, I say it is. It's bigger than the Pro Bowl.
Yes it is. I agree, it is big. One hundred
and forty seven thousand in the rain and the mud yesterday,
it's big. It's a big event.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
The Pro Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
At one time it was maybe they would have got
back to Hawaii and actually played football.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
This is me.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Yeah, it's you, buggy to you, it's you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
I mean, look, it's it's fine. I completely blond. The
question my bad. Repeat to me. I got just repeat,
dis repeat the question is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
The Kentucky Derby? Is it bigger than the NFL Pro Bowl? Bucky?

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Yeah, yes, yes, yes, yes, it's a bigger deal. Like
nobody cares about the All Stars thing. It's a big deal.
That's why everyone is there. That's why I see anyone
a dressed to the Knights.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
I agree. Well.

Speaker 6 (01:18:39):
Speaking of the NFL, though, guys, so NFL is removing
home game home games for trips to Mexico Spain and England.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Yay or nay, Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
They're removing home games to those things. Uh yeah, that's fine,
Like it should go somewhere else, Like there's some other
international locations that they want to go to. They're gonna
tap into it. So I'm sure we'll see Dublin and
some of these other cities and countries have opportunity to
host a game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Nay, nay. Because if I'm a SE's a ticket holder,
I lose a home game, I don't want to look
let him go. But the steward of my team, don't
do it to my team. Okay, because now there's the
schedule's coming out and about two weeks stopping really really
stopping it. Discus on two weeks. It's a good chance
the Cincinnati Bengals are going to Spain. You know what,
I'm happy for them. The players will see Spain. But
you know what, Flama season ticket holder, I am p owed.

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I don't want to miss a home.

Speaker 6 (01:19:31):
Game personally, Dublin, Ireland would be fun. Let's go Irish
where my Irish people at. Let's go But you Dame
have fair point. So last one, guys, Bill Belichick was
totally in line to control the CBS Sunday Morning interviews
that were supposed to highlight his new book.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Yeah your nay, final, Yeah your nay? Andy?

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Yes, of course, yay. The interview is about his book,
not about his alleged girlfriend. Really, leave him alone, let
him enjoy his life. They should have talked about his shirt.
Did Navy hold the hole in the Navy sweatshirt that
I was bigger than his girlfriend?

Speaker 6 (01:20:05):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
What was he wearing that North Carolina shore?

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
He's fine, let's go. Yay, yeah, yeay, yay. Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
By the way, there's some big holes left that I'm
more aware on Fox Sports Sunday next right there, you know,
there's at least five holes that remain. They really are,
and we're gonna get to that in just about a minute.
Good morning, everybody. This is Fox Sports Sunday on Fox
Sports Radio. We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

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Ow Many Firman. He's my guy, he's my partner, He's
Bucky Brooks. And away we go, and there's so much
to do, it's little time to do it in. But
I gotta tell you a story about my wife. Are
you interested about that? For a second? Buck I gotta
tell you what happens to it. In front of my house.
I have the in front of my front door. We
have these two lights that hang up on the on
the outside of the house. And I was looking at

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there the other day. It was last night, and the
lights were on, and there's like a shadow on one
of the lights. I say, is it flickering? Is it
going to be burnt out? So I take a look inside.
Believe it or not, there's a nest and a bird
inside there. How when the hell it got in there
is beyond me. I have no idea, but there's a
bird in there with a nest. So I told my wife,
how do I get it out? She says, what do

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you mean? Get it out? Let him give birth and
let him enjoy his life. That's my wife. I'm an animal,
I'm a pig, and I wanted the thing to get
out of there. And she says, no, let them live there,
let them have their baby. How's that there's a difference.
I mean, so opposites do it trapped? You know I am.
I'm heartless, I really am. And she's just a loving person.
That's the way it is, you know. I don't know,

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maybe it's maybe it's that way most marriages.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
I don't know. Well, good, it balances it out everything there,
it goes like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
You and me, we balance out right. You're a gentleman
and I'm like a little unfinished, you know, around the edges,
a little rough, a little rough. That's right, all right,
we'll talk about the NFL draft. Let's do that because
there's some questions that still remain. I'm not big on
the grading because, as you say, and you've taught me
so much, that it's down the road. I mean, how

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they do down the road a year or two, we'll
see what happens. But there are some teams I think
that basically still have some holes remaining because they didn't
get what they needed. Do we agree on that? I mean,
what about Jacksonville. You're heavily involved with the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Are they happy with what they've done or does the
process still continue? Are they still looking? I know there's

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a couple of free agents still out there that they
still say, look, we need to fill this void. Is
that what they do.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Now? They keep looking? You continue to try and build
out the roster. You never satisfied, so you continue to
try and find the right guys for your team. You
want to make a very competitive environment. And when it's
all said and done, if you have a bunch of
guys that are competing, your team is going to operate
at his best. So yeah, I think you always it
never stops right.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
And the problem with the National Football League maybe with
sports in general, is that everybody thinks if they know
better than the people who run the teams, and to
some extent that people in our business beyond the microphone
are the same way. You know, if they were that smart,
they'd be personnel people with National Football League teams. However,
you know, you don't have to be a genius to

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figure out a couple of things that a couple of
teams needed and why they didn't go in that direction.
For example, I'm looking at the Dallas Cowboys. I thought
that perhaps they would want to draft a wide receiver
as a number two target to take a lot of
the heat of C. D.

Speaker 3 (01:23:30):
Lamb.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Maybe I'm wrong. You know, Look, the first draft I'm
involved in will be my very first draft the next one,
you know, so I don't get involved heavily, but you know,
you look at rosters and you see what could help
a team. I think that CD Lamb has a lot
of pressure on him. He's double team. If they could
have drafted a number two target, that would have been
the way to go, and they didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
See, I disagree because I think, like for Dallas, you
haven't understand the blueprint that's always worked for you. They've
always been at their best, not when they've had multiple
wide receivers, but when they've had a dominant offensive line.
And so they get Tyler Book in the first round,
and he gives them a chance to be dominant at
the point of attack. And if they can dominate at
the point of attack, they can run the football and
Dak Prescott to have enough time to throw off play action.

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Having another wide receiver would be nice, but it wouldn't
ensure that they're gonna be able to run the ball
to control the game against their opponents. And let's be honest,
the teams that are the top teams in their division
to fill their For Eagles, it's all about the line
of scrimmage. You got to be able to win in
the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
All right. So now now I'm learning. See I love
this because you know I was going in one direction.
You see, you know, you tell me the other direction,
and you're right, You're exactly right. And the Philadelphia Eagles,
if they're the on the planning board and they're the master,
and people want to follow what they do, you know,
do it their way. Big offensive lineman six eight, three
hundred plus pounds, that's what you got to do. That's

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why everybody was against the Tush push because they can't
defend it. That's why that's Look at the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I think that one of the problems I thought they
were going to do is fill devoided quarterback. You know,
they did draft Will Howard I think was in the
sixth round. But honestly, I think maybe, and maybe I'm wrong,
I think they're waiting for Aaron Rodgers. I really believe that.
I can't believe Mike Tomlin is going to have Aaron

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Rodgers in his locker room. But we'll see what happens.
I mean, we haven't heard much of the list forty
eight to seventy two hours, But do you honestly think
that Aaron Rodgers is going to have a Pittsburgh steel
A uniform on?

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Yeah, it seems that way. It seems like they're just
holding off, waiting for him to come. I'm curious to
see what this looks like, how this plays out, just because, look,
he didn't play well, and I know we give him
the ultimate pass all the time. He didn't play well,
So maybe he can dust it off. Maybe Pittsburgh, a
change of location, change of scenery will help him kind

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of get back to playing at a high level. But
he didn't play well. He's older, and he doesn't appear
to like getting hit and those things. When you begin
to lose that look, it typically doesn't come back.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
However, you know, we've always heard that coming off the
injury that he had, usually you're better off and you're
more healthier that second year after the injury, which would
be this coming season, because last year was the first
year after that big injury.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
So maybe yeah, yeah, But you know, he didn't play
well his last year in Green Bay. So now we've
had what three years where he hasn't been like the
Green Bay year the injury, than this has been three
years since we've seen him play at a high level,
and he's forty plus. Typically it doesn't turn back around
once it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
But the good news is at least for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
They need a guy to get the ball to one
of their new weapons, which is DK Metcalf, and I
don't think right now they have a qualified quarterback to
get in the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
No, and that's problematic. I would say this, that's problematic
when you don't have someone to throw the ball to.
Quarterback is the most important position on the field. They
still have a huge question mark going into May turn
who's the quarterback and how good the quarterback will be?

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Okay, So the next question would be if Aaron Rodgers
and the Pittsburgh Steelers don't come to terms, is there
a possibility if he's released, can they get Kirk Cousins
from the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 3 (01:27:16):
I mean, he's another one. He didn't play great last year.
He had sixteen interceptions. Like the league, I mean we're waxing.
I mean we're caught up in nostalgia when we talk
about some of these older quarterbacks. You're not supposed to
play the ball in your forties, and guys have done
it because everyone is trying to follow the TV twelve method.
But most guys aren't very good when they're forty plus.

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They're older, they're brittle, They don't want to get hit,
and that's gonna be a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
You know, I'm going to bring that point up right now.
I mean, I think if you keep yourself in decent
shape year round, if you've got some good genes, you
can play late thirties, early forties. And this is not
so something new, that Tom Brady situation. Once again, I've
always said that people who talk sports and follow sports
look back at history. You know, they talk about Lebron

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James being tremendous, theck appearing it to Michael Jordan. You know,
forget about that. It's Will Chamberlain. He's the guy. He
was the most dominating guy in basketball period and the story.
But people don't go back and they don't look at
their history. They don't follow sports. I'm going back on
football right now. I remember when and look, maybe I'm
showing my age, but I'm a student of the game.
I didn't play it, but I like to follow with
Babe perilli Ya till quught it back in his forties. Okay,

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you know, were they as good as the guys today.
Probably not, But they played when they were in their forties,
and believe me, the equipment wasn't as good the training
wasn't as good. Things were different back then, and they
played less games. They played twelve to fourteen game schedules.
I get it, okay, but they were in their forties.
Ya Till and Bay Perilli come to mind, two of
those guys. I don't know how old Johnny United was
when he played at the end, but he was. He

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was no kid either.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
No, I mean didn't I but I mean the game
is game is different. Yeah, they were calling their own players,
been doing all this other stuff, but it's different. Like
what we're asking guys to do now is we're asking
them to run the entire show, like make it, make
it happen, do the stuff, throw it, deal with like
the superheroes that are coming at them, and most aren't

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physically able to withstand it. Tom Brady was different because
he was willing to stand in the fire and continue
to deliver. We've already seen Tom Brady is not trying
to deal with the smoke. And so if he's not
gonna deal with the smoke and stand in there and
bail out the pocket too soon, it's gonna be a problem.
It looks it's an issue, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
I'm moving now to my Cincinnati Bengals, they kind of
could have used a defensive tackle. However, in round one
they picked their Shamar Stewart, the edge rushing from Texas
A and in which I thought that, A, he's a
project and he may very well be what they need.
But B I think they got him to show Trey Hendrickson,
you know what, you want more money, you gotta contract

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you signed. We're not going to give you any more
money because we've a guy that can replace you. Maybe
I'm wrong, but I think that's why they drafted him.
Your thoughts on that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
You said they drafted Who's said the drafted.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
They drafted A Steward Chamar Stewart from Texas A and
m U.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
I mean, so when you when you take Shamar Stewart,
who is a freak athlete who has all the tools
in those things you're hoping that he can develop, but
he he simply hasn't produced to his talent would suggest
I think he four and a half sacks three years.
I mean for you, like, just not a lot of
sacked production for someone that you counted on. Now, we've

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seen it happen on occasion, but it's rare that it
happens can can they develop him, can they make him
be something that he wasn't in college? I don't know.
That's a huge gamble. Typically you try not to take
projections in the first round, but they're willing to bank
on his tools, that his tools and his talent will
lead to the kind of production that they want. I

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don't know. I mean, he's a good player. I think
you have to understand what you're getting. You're not getting
a proven sack producer. He can't replace Trey Henderson. He
has to play alongside Tray Hedrickson, right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
But I could have drafted Derek Harmon the conut of
Michigan State and he's a defensive tackle, and he went,
I believe to the Pittsburgh Steelers and you know, the
guy in the same division, So they bypassed Derek Harman.
I think that would have been the pick that they
could have had as a defensive tackle. Was they didn't
go in that direction, that's their choice. I mean, I'd
like to sit down and talk to Duke Tobin, the

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guy who makes the draft picks for the Cincinnati Bengals,
and basically ask him. I don't really need to go
public with that, just for my own curiosity. Why did
you bypass Derek Harmon for a guy who's basically i'd
have to say a project really and there was a
need asif tackle.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
Yeah, but I mean different spots. But I mean, I
want to say, in the last couple of years they've
tried to take a few different dtackles. Defensive end was
a real pressing need, Sam Hubbard retired. You're looking at
the sack production with and without potentially Trey Hendrickson. You
want to see if you can find someone that could
get after it on the edges. And they feel like
even though he didn't have sack production, they felt like

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his high number of pressures would be enough to impact
the game in the trenches. We'll see Thomas Hill.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
No, I agree with you, right yeah, And look that team, honestly,
as you mentioned many times, they're built on offense. You know,
they're built on Joe Burrow. That that's what they're gonna win.
They're gonna win by scoring points and probably more points
in the opposition. That's what they're hoping to do, you know,
I mean, they put everything on the offensive side of
the ball. They signed those two big receivers, you know,
and I didn't think they would, you know, and they

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did so well. You know, Jamar Chase is signed up
and he's happy right now, and everybody's happy. Te Higgins
is signed up. They spent a lot of money on
those guys on the offensive side of the football, so
we'll see what happens. Little are the Washington Commanders. They
could have used an edge rusher, they really could have,
and they got They got a left tackle, they got
Lure of Me Tunsel, they got Peopo Samuel. So obviously

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they got some receivers for Jayden Dennis right now. But
again they got to worry about the defensive side of
the ball, and they could have used that their drusher,
which they didn't go for.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Well, as a lot of it depends on who's available
at the time that you're picking. They're picking at the
bottom of the rounds, and by the time they got
to it, there weren't any established guys or guys that
were necessarily the right fits for them at that pick.
And even though you would love to kind of go
through and check off your grocery list and say, oh,
we checked off all the things that we don't have
in the pantry, sometimes it doesn't match up. And sometimes

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that's not only due to you being on the clock,
but the player that you won't there. But sometimes the
draft doesn't necessarily yield what you're looking for. For the Commanders, Look,
they beefed up in the offseason. They've tried to find
a way to help Jayden Daniels. Whether it's the you know,

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the playmakers that they added on the outside, whether it's
some of the people that they can put in the backfield.
They're trying to do everything in their power to make
sure that his sophomore season, his second year, he's able
to build upon what really he did his first year
when he took the lead by storm right.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
And three of the five picks that they've had were
on the offensive side of the ball. The first pick
was in round one, an offensive tackle at Oregon, Josh
Connelly Jr. In round four they picked Jalen Lane, a
wide receiver out of Virginia. And in round seven they
pick a Jaggery Krosky merrit running back.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Yeah he was at the East Wood, Yeah he was
the East West game might have been the East West MVP.
Fast guy played out. He played early I think at
New Mexico and transferred Tara Zone. Never really got a
chance to show his whereas there. But he's fast, but
he's selling round pick. And like we talked about Shadria
Sanders in the first hour, you don't count on your

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day three picks, your fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh rounders
to be impact players. They're drafted down there because you're
hoping that they can be developmental prospects that emerge in time.
May he's ahead of the curve, but I would think
that the commanders are going to have to get their
answers elsewhere. They don't have to get them either before
training camp or at the end of training camp when

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people release a bunch of people and they handpick a
handful of guys to come on board.

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
You know, I'll ask you this, are you better off
perhaps not getting drafted whatsoever, and have your agent call
various teams where you may be able to be a
better fit for that team. Because if you're drafted in
the fifth, sixth, seventh round, as you say, the chance
you're making that ball club are fairly bleak. They really are.

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But if you're not drafted, there's a better chance of
making a club if that club.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
Needs what you have.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
I mean, you've seen that I'm sure. So you know,
it's not all doom and gloom if you're not drafted,
because you can go to a team that needs your
skill set rather than a team that's drafted a guy
in the seventh round that probably won't make the team
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
I mean, I think it's different. A lot of teams
guarantee their draft picks in terms of like they're gonna
make sure that every pick player that has picked makes
a squad. I'll say undrafted, it's still I mean, look
all those it's hard to make a roster anyway, right,
but it's super hard if you're undrafted free agent. Depending
on the team, some teams don't view their free agency

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as true competitive players who have a legitimate opportunity to
make a team. Others will say, no, this is what
we do. We give opportunities, so what you make of
it can ultimately determine if you have a chance to
play practice squad or the active roster. But I mean this,

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the higher pick, the more they invest in you, the
more they invest in you, the more likely you can
be around interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:36:49):
And the last team that I thought possibly had a
hole in their draft selection was the Miami Dolphins. I
thought they could have used a cornerback all right. However,
they bolsted up defense big time in their first three picks,
a defensive tackle, a linebacker, and a defensive lineman. The
first three picks. Grant from Michigan. Kenneth Grant was their

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first pick, a kid from Arizona. I have known Jonah
whoever it was in the second and I think Jordan
Phillips was drafted out of Maryland on their therapist. So
they didn't go for a cornerback until late. It was
Jason Marshall junior, the kid from Florida. So the cornerback
is the guy. But I guess if you got some
pressure coming up front, that takes a lot of pressure
off the cornerback position anyway. So that's what they did,

(01:37:34):
went for players up front on the line.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
I mean, once again, you have like Jaylen Rams and
these things, and I'm gonna say this haven't been in
there like as much as were on the outside. Will say, hey,
let's connect the dots. They need this, so they're gonna
pick this, they need this. They can pick that. A
lot of times. The pool determines who's available when you're picking.
At those points, if there are no players that are

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available when you're picking first or second round in the
round value, Well, then you can't dip below them to
take it, because then it doesn't it doesn't match up.
So you better serve to take a better player at
another position than to settle for mediocrity at a position
that you're just kind of filling out, you know, just
kind of passing the time.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Well, I hear what you're saying, though, but I do
believe that. And I follow this because I like the
New York Football Giants beause I might grew up with
that team. And I think the Giants picked up that
safety Javon Holland from the Dolphins, so I think then
left the Dolphins somewhat shaky at the defensive back position,
be it safety at corner, so they could have used
when they didn't go in that direction.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
But maybe the mine was made up prior to the draft,
say we're bolstering the line, that's what we want to do.
What's up front that counts?

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
No, I mean, look, you can't make it your mind
ahead of time. You just got to play the board
as it is, and you can go in with every
intention to say, hey, we're gonna take your X, Y
and Z. But sometimes I mean literally, sometimes it just
doesn't work out like that. Sometimes you're not able to
get it done like that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Well, there was a different situation entirely with the Las
Vegas Raiders because leading up to the draft, their general
manager John Spytek told the reporters that his son will
be quote walking out of the family if the team
didn't select running back Ashton Genty, and the Raiders did
and the sixth overall pick. So you know, there's a

(01:39:26):
lot of science, I guess goes into the draft. But
when your kid tells you that you better draft this
guy otherwise we're locking you out of the family, you
gotta go draft. And he was lucky that Genty was
still available, and his son's ten years old and he
knew that. So Ashton Genty, who everybody is now pointing
and saying he's going to be the rookie of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
I hope he is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
They needed a rusher. They were like last in the league.
They averaged like something like eighty something yards a game
rushing the football. He's gonna help. He's gonna help immensely
with the Raiders. I hope he does.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Yeah, He is gonna help because he's gonna get Hi
an identity. He's gonna give him the bill, a cow
back that Pete Carly always had going back to the
heyday in Seattle they had Marshawn Lynch. He toted it,
He set up everything. He was the kind of focal
point of the offense. Well, now, Askton Jens will leaviate
soner pressure on Gino Smith. He'll open up some passing
lanes for the guys on the outside because they he

(01:40:15):
commands so much attention and he has an opportunity to
really help them stick to the ground and pound approach
that's really served them well over the years, no.

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Speaker 1 (01:40:48):
We have the Blame Game at the end of this hour.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
Get us right now on x at Bucky Brooks at
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are they really are? How important are they? We'll find

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Sports Radio studios. Right now. Now, the big question in sports,
and I want to know why it's a big deal.
And there's only one person to ask, and that's Bucky Brooks.

(01:41:54):
Talk about numbers. Numbers on uniform. Why are they such
a big freaking deal, and how the stories are coming
out from the draftees about the numbers that they want.
Why are they people? Why are they paying big money
for numbers on their jersey?

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
I don't get it, because number is a huge part
of your identity as a player. For some I mean,
it's everything, whether it's superstition or not, you're paying homage
to somebody, there's a spurs personal connection to your number.
For instance, my number and high school and for most things.

(01:42:30):
Twenty two, well, twenty two is for my birthday one
twenty two, seventy one. My dad also wore twenty two.
My brother was born May twenty fourth, he wore twenty four.
So those numbers always meant a lot to us. But
for some players it's the same. It's just superstition. They've
had a lot of success in those numbers and they

(01:42:50):
don't want to part ways with them, so they're willing
to pay big money or give donations or trips or
whatever it takes to get the numbers that you want.

Speaker 2 (01:43:00):
How tough was it to get number twenty two in
the pros when you went from team to team.

Speaker 3 (01:43:06):
Look, a lot of It depends on the relationship, right,
So the equipment manager. The relationship with the equipment manager
is everything. And so if you have a good relationship
with the equipment manager, sometimes you can get the number
that you want. I couldn't get it everywhere, so I
wore the majority of places Jacksonville, Green Bay or whatever.
Had to go to thirty three in Oakland because Harvey

(01:43:28):
Williams was already twenty two. Couldn't get it in Kansas City.
I can't remember why, but it just depends. It also
depends on your circumstance. I came in to most of
those places as a guy that was a bottom of
the roster guy, a fringe guy, so I didn't have
any clout or power to be able to push the
envelope when it came to what number I wanted. But

(01:43:48):
in other places, you know, if you come in as
a like top pick or marquee free agent, yeah, they
ask you and you can kind of impose your will
a little bit. You can flex a little bit to
get what you want.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
I would think that as a fan, and I consider
myself a fan. One of the big numbers in sports
is the number thirty two. Jimmy Brown Ward and football
Sandy Colfax Warld in baseball, and the first African American
in the New York Yankees, Elston Howard Ward in baseball too.
So I think thirty two is a big number. And
you're right, it's all about legacy. I mean, you know,

(01:44:21):
growing up, I can remember right now the numbers of
the New York Yankees as a kid. I read now.
I don't remember Babe Ruth. I know he was number three,
but you know I read about that he was three.
Luke Erg was four, Joe Dimagie was five. There was
a guy played third base when I was a kid,
but named of Andy Carrey. He won number six, but
then Clif Boyer number one, number six man it was seven.

(01:44:43):
Yogi Burrow was eight, Roger Merrows was nine, Tony Kubeck
was ten, I Thocot, Bobby Richardson was one, Hector Lopez
was eleven. Gil McDougal was twelve, and that's about it.
I don't remember the rest, but see I remember other
than that. I can't tell you numbers on the teams
right now. Oh yeah, Del Schaffner New York Football Giants
eighty five.

Speaker 6 (01:45:04):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:04):
But you're right, we're right about numbers. So it is
a big deal. But I think it's more of a
big deal for fans because they remember and they buy
the jerseys. That's what they do.

Speaker 4 (01:45:12):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Abdul Carter was drafted by the Football Giants and he's
having a problem, all right. He wanted to wear fifty
six from the Hall of Famer Lawrence Taylor, and Lawrence says, ah, ah,
now you can't. That's my number and it's my legacy.
I understand that really. But then he wanted again number
eleven from Phil Simms, and phil Simms said, yeah, you know,

(01:45:33):
he'll do that. He was going to give it to
Jackson Dark, the quarterback that the Giants drafted, and then
he said, you know what. He told some of his friends,
and he told people around them, he told his family,
and then all of a sudden he changed his mind.
Carter won number eleven at Penn State. Seemed like the
idea he rore on social media would be an honor
to wear it. But then that was quite that was

(01:45:55):
stopped because when Phil Simms told the New York Daily
News about that, I think this was this Friday, and
he was outvoted by his family. His family said no,
family said number eleven is going to remain retired by
the giants with you and that's it. So Carter now
is the number three pick and he's still looking for
a number. I mean, is that big of a deal
make your own number? Really? Right? Why would you want

(01:46:17):
to wear someone else's number when you could have the
legacy and have your own number.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Yeah, I would, I would say, That's what I would
That's what I would say. I would say, make your own,
make your own number, try and find a number that
you can make. And I understand it, Like the eleven
number has become really popular, right, So at Penn State,
that number is popular starting with LeVar Arrington and then
Michael Parsons made it famous. And you look around now

(01:46:45):
there's so many guys in college that are wearing number
eleven because of Michael Parsons. Right, So we love our heroes,
We love the guys that we emulate in those things,
and a lot of times we will try to wear
their number to kind of pay hour to them. So
I understand the big deal. But he's gonna have to
find a different number, and so I don't know, like

(01:47:08):
there has to be some number they can find if
not they're gonna give my number. He has to figure
it out.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
Now. Honestly, do you know numbers of various players on
teams when you were a kid growing up remembering their numbers?
Because maybe maybe I'm unusual because I knew I can't
tell you five numbers maybe on the Cincinnati Bengals. But
I just rattled off about a dozen numbers on the
New York Yankees back in the sixties and seventies, which
is nuts. But I followed them as a kid. That's

(01:47:33):
what I did. I collected the baseball cards.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
I mean, that's that's all.

Speaker 6 (01:47:39):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:47:39):
That's always a part of it. That's what I mean.
That's kind of what you do, like everybody should. I mean,
you fall in love with your heroes and you kind
of try and find a way to look support them,
pay honors to them, any of those things. Like, yeah,
that's a big part of it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:56):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
More numbers are coming back in my head right now.
Moose Scouring played first base for the Yankees. He was
fourteen and the major Ralph Howke was the manager. He
was number thirty five. Now, I don't know how many
of those numbers will retired, but I could still go
over the numbers with the Boston Celtics too.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
I remember them. Yeah, oh no, were you a Celtics
fan or not?

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
Yeah? I did.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
You know what when I was a kid, Well, how
are you going to like.

Speaker 3 (01:48:20):
The Yankees and the Celtics. That doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
The Celtics, I was.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
Taking like the Cowboys too, Like no, I mean, like
like you like all the teams that are on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:48:31):
Like that is like that may be the reason business
Every Sunday afternoon on ABC, Chris Shankle would do the
games at two o'clock Eastern time. It was always the
Celtics and Lakers. I think that was the reason why.
I mean, I lived in New York, I'd go to
Nick games. But you never see the Knicks, you know.
I knew Willis Street was nineteen and Dick Barnett may
he rest in PC just passed the other days to

(01:48:51):
what he was number twelve. David Bush was twenty two.
So I do remember those numbers, but it was the
Celtics pass. And I'll tell you a crazy story. Embarrassed
to tell you this, but even when I was like
in junior high school, when the Celtics came to New
York to play the Knicks. They stayed at the Paramount
Hotel on forty sixth Street in New York, and I
would take the subway up there and wait in the

(01:49:13):
lobby to see the Celtics. And at one time I
saw melt Counts. He was a seven footer. I talked
to him, but one of the Celtics I forgot who?

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
What was.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
It'll come to me. He invited me up to his room.
We chatted for about an hour. I forgot who. It
was a rookie. It was unbelievable, really, And then I
saw Bill Russell coming down and I followed him from
forty sixth Street to Madison Square Garden. He didn't say
a word to me. He just kept on walking, but
I knew I was following him. I wanted to talk
to him. He wouldn't talk to There's the way it was.

(01:49:45):
You know. I was crazy. I mean, but you know what,
you love sports. I knew what I wanted all my life,
I mean, and that's what I wanted to do, get
involved with sports. And those guys were like superheroes, they
really were. It was amazing. With the I had like
a hold on you. It was crazy, I mean, was
it the same way because you were a player. I
didn't play, But did you have did they have a

(01:50:08):
hold on you too? Like you looked at these guys
like they're like superhuman people.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
Yeah, they certainly had a whole army. I mean I
certainly looked up to a bunch of guys like I
had a bunch of heroes that I looked up to.
And it matters. I mean, I think you always wanted
me and inspired. And you know, our pro athletes, our
stars certainly inspire us, and so I can relate. And

(01:50:34):
I remember, even though I was a Carolina fan, I
was really impacted by Lambias played in that Maryland and
watching him and how good he was and those things.
And I think when you are so young and impressionable,
like I remember in a rec league, like trying to
wear thirty four because of him, you know. So, yeah,

(01:50:55):
numbers matter because we all trying to copy our heroes. Man,
we love our heroes, particularly when we're young. Like, man,
your favorite sports guy is everything?

Speaker 6 (01:51:05):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:51:06):
I agree. I mean I think the guy that invited
me to his room was Johnny Jones. I think he
played for LA State. Johnny Jones is a rookie on
the Celtics and they say, hey, you know you want
to talk. I mean I was up in his room.
He talked basketball, what his life playing. It was unbelievable,
it really was. I mean, that would never happen today
because these guys. I don't think I believed that hotel room.
I mean, I'm not saying it was a good thing,

(01:51:26):
but I do think there was a closer relationship maybe
between fans and players.

Speaker 5 (01:51:31):
Then.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
I mean people will say, no, it's not true because
of social media. Now now there's no relationship on social media.
You know, it's an attack. Guy. I see what they
do to Kevin Durant. They bait him, and like a fool,
he answers them. You can't you can't win. You can't win.
You know what. I'll give you an example. There was
a story just the other day in Cincinnati. One of
the news anchors in Cincinnati. I'm not gonna mention her name,

(01:51:52):
of our embarrass her. Some guy commented on social media
that she has ugly legs. All right. Why he did that,
I don't know, maybe just debate. She answered him, Oh
my goodness. And there's been a war going on on
social media, you know, defending her and some people not
defending her.

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
You can't you can't win.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
I mean people, Yeah, I understand that, I get that,
but then like I also I get everything turned to
the other cheek, like hey, take take the higher road
or whatever. But sometimes and you just got to fire
back because what has happened is because so many people
take the tack that you're that you're suggesting, hey, don't
fire back, like, just let them go, ignore them. The

(01:52:34):
voice and the noise becomes louder, and people don't expect
you to say anything back, so they feel like they
can say and do anything without reproach. And I'm just
not of the mindset of letting people get away with
being able to say anything, you know, And so if
you want to clap sometimes you need to clap back.
Sometimes you need to fire back with a response. It's

(01:52:55):
not ideal, it's not the most mature thing, but there
is a part of me that's like, yeah, no, no, no,
if you're gonna talk, then I'm gonna come right back,
you know. Because people don't expect to get challenged, oh
one hundred percent, like always, like yes, always, And so
sometimes you have to challenge people because everyone now in

(01:53:15):
this age when you can hide behind the keyboard. People
don't really like direct confrontation, you know, And so if
you're gonna say something, then you need to be able
to handle it when someone comes back. And I'm saying
that in every way. When there are writers that criticize players,
but then they don't like it when players come back

(01:53:36):
at them. Right when there are fans who go at players,
but they don't like it when players attack them, and
then media members are jumping but like, oh, you shouldn't
talk to the fan like that, Like, no, it has
become open season. And because we're living in a time
where all of the respect norms are gone, where people
feel like they can say anything to anybody without having

(01:53:59):
a level of respect or empathy or whatever. Like yeah, sometimes, man,
sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. And so
if it escalates to the point and if I have time, yeah,
I'll go right back as someone who comes at me.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
Good for you, Good for you, Bucky brooks Andy Furman,
Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Ready, and of.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Course let it all out. We're trying to do it
right now, all of it. The blame game is freaking next,
all right, the blame man right around the corner. He's
Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy ferman Wiel Fox Sports Sunday and
Fox Sport's ready and we're alive from the Fox Sports
Radio studio. Speaking of that, about twelve minutes from now,
that'll be the top of the hour, nine o'clock on
the East Coast. Brian No, Jeff Schwartz at Bill Krakenberger.

(01:54:40):
What a trifecta that is countdown right here on Fox
Sports areadio. But right now we're counting down to the
playing game, Patty, let's do it. Blame alright, he's a liar. Oh,
I'm not allowed. I blame you, Andy Furman, I'm starting
to first blame.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
I blame you. All right, Well, let's get down to it, guys.
It's time to blame some people here.

Speaker 6 (01:55:00):
So the spring football game in college is going the
way of the leather helmet and wishbone offense.

Speaker 1 (01:55:07):
It's disappearing. Who do you blame?

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
And Andy, Well, I kind of play the nil. I
think people are afraid of injuries. People are afraid of
putting these players out there in public to public display
because that may be picked up by another school. So
the NIL is killing the spring game, which I don't
think a lot of people really care, do they. I
don't know. I guess in Alabama they care. Tennessee is
some of the bigger marcts, a big time college football
they care. But other than that, Ohio State. But the

(01:55:32):
nil I think is the key why the spring football
game is going away.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Yeah. I blame paranoid coaches. Coaches paranoid about everything from
injuries to players being poached. They have killed the spring game.
And the spring game is something that was a big
part of driving interest fans coming on, kids being able
to see their future heroes and those things. Yeah, paranoid
coaches have killed a game.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
All right, All right, Well, next time, who's trying to
get in? Is some the door?

Speaker 6 (01:56:01):
It's a the judge is gaveling for us, guys. Okay, sorry,
they're they're decreeing your blames. Anyways, Next up, why has
the English Football Association bands transgender women from the women's game?

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
Who do you blame? Bucky Brooks?

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
I would say politics have kind of uh crept into
all of it. And so where we have the trans thing,
which has become a big deal, it has become a
hot budded topic when it comes to sports and so's
it's that. I would say the political environment has created
a situation where trans are left out of women's sports,
and right, I wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
I will tell you this much. I don't blame anybody.
I think they should be banned. I mean, come on,
I don't want to have a guy with a beard
playing with the women. Okay, I'm just thinking, all right,
I mean halftime, he said, excuse me, I got a shave.
Really No, I mean women, women play with women, men
play with men. That's it. This has been this should
have been done a long time ago in the English
Football Association. So I don't have a problem. I'm not

(01:56:59):
blaming anybody. I think it's a good thing, all.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
Right, all right, Well, next up, guys.

Speaker 6 (01:57:05):
So, if wrestling is truly entertainment and not a real sport,
why has MJN Center in Pokeepsie, New York?

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
Hopefully? I said that right.

Speaker 6 (01:57:14):
Created a wrestling Hall of Fame with inductions except for
May ninth.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Who do you blame? Andy?

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
I think every school in the nation wants to stick
their heart into something and say we have this and
you don't. So now I think it's Maris College on
the campus of Poughkeepsie, New York. They could have a
wrestling Hall of Fame. Wrestling it's not a sport.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
It's like golf.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
It's not a sport, it's a it's a times it's
really it's scripted. Really, that's what it is. But people
go they're entertained by it, and that's what it is.
So they could have a Hall of fame. All these
fake athletes, that's what they are, fakes. Fake.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
I completely disagree with Andy. I believe wrestling is real.
The athletes are real. A bunch of former football players
rock all these guys that have played football and now
slamming their bodies into people. I don't know what he's
talking about when he comes to the scriptive stuff. Everything
that I see I believe. So what he's talking about
it scripted. I'll give you an example. When I lived

(01:58:14):
in Denver, Colorado, way back in the day. All Right
wood he Page was now on TV. He was the
columnist for the Rocky Mountain News, and he got a script.
He got the scripted in his column the day before
the night before a big wrestling match in Denver, he
wrote down the winners of every match. They went crazy,
they went crazy, and he wrote that in this column.

(01:58:34):
I loved it and what he page did that. I
loved every minute of it scripted. So he just predicted
who was going to win the wrestaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
He No, he had to script he did?

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
You know?

Speaker 6 (01:58:48):
I signed with my guy, Bucky. I'm with you wrestling Israel.
I'm with you last year, your producer, that's you. I'm
sorry to be the final final one guys a soft
I'll pitch you're a Nijari Kennedy.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
I hope I'm saying that name right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:04):
She doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (01:59:06):
What was leaving Perennial Power Stanford for Texattech for the
unheard of one hundred mili in the nil deal?

Speaker 3 (01:59:13):
Just one mill?

Speaker 1 (01:59:13):
Just one mill? Sorry? Who do you blame? Bucky?

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
Oh? And Io is out of control. Boos's collectors putting
the big money. I blame him. She's leaving a terrific program.
But I can't blame her for chasing the bag? Can
I blame her?

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
A million dollars for women's softball? So you're gonna tell
me now? A quarterback at Tennessee was ranting and raithing.
He's got to get if he's got, you get a
million dollars for a women's softball player. You gotta get
five million dollars for a quarterback, right, I mean, it's amazing,
hung but I want to wish everybody a great day.
Countdown his next Bucky, have a wonderful week. I'll see
you next week at Marcus you you as well, And

(01:59:50):
of course Patty will see you next Sunday. Right here
where Fox Sports ready was the place hang with us,
right they're coming up next Countdown No Krakenberger and of
course Jeff Schwartz, my guy right here on Fox. Stay here,

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