Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks Discuss Tush Push Not Banned, Newest On Belichick & Jordan Hudson Saga, Aaron Rodgers Updates, A Happy Memorial Weekend, And More!!

Andy Furman and Bucky Brooks discuss how the tush push was not banned this year after the recent offseason meetings came to a head with the ruling. Andy and Bucky also give the latest on the drama unfolding at North Carolina with Bill Belichick and his girlfriend, Jordan Hudson making the headlines yet again. Plus, the guys talk about Aaron Rodgers hinting that he may sign in Pittsburgh soon, Pacers beating the Knicks in the ECF, Timberwolves still alive against the Thunder, and much more!!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. Oh, the center
of the basketball universe that's coming right up. Good morning, everybody, Good,
good morning. It's Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Andy Firman. Here's my partner Bucky Brooks, and we're
broadcasting live for the Fox Sports Radio studios. And here
we go, the one, the only, the main man on

(00:22):
Memorial Day weekend. My guy, my partner, Bucky Brooks. Hello, Buck,
how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm good Andy, how's everything?

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Happy holiday to you and yours.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yeah, man, it's a great holiday.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Really, you what. I'm so happy that it's Memorial Day
week It's like the unofficial start of summer. And I
just hope that people realize what the holiday is all about.
I don't want to get to emotional right now, but
you know, when people think of Memorial they were they
think they think about three day weekend. You know, Major
League Baseball used to be doubleheaders and grueling out, but
it's really more than that. We know what it's all about,

(00:56):
our freedom and how we got there. So leave it
at that, but enjoy the weekend, hope whether it's good
wherever you may be. But I want to get into
this because I have the question to ask you, does
anybody have a bar of soap? I need a bar
of soap right now? You know why I need a
buck Let me tell you why I need it. I
want to wash out the out of Britney Grinder, all right,
I mean really and truly. Look, I'm not a funny duddy.

(01:18):
I'm not appruved by any means. But you know, Britney
Grinder plays for the Atlanta Dream and I can't believe
we're talking about the WNBA again, but she plays for
the Atlanta Dream. There was a halftime interview against the
Dallas Wings yesterday and in the middle of the interview,
she stopped as she turned around, and she says to
the official, and they're going into the locker room at
halftime be efing better. I mean, really on TV? You

(01:41):
know it's okay. I mean, I'm not saying it's okay.
It's bad enough. You're gonna say that to the official. Well,
we don't hear it, but we had to hear it.
You know, Am I wrong? Tell me I'm wrong on
this because the reason I say that not because you
know I'm not using words like that. It's because there
are young women watching this high school girls, junior high

(02:02):
school girls, and.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
They think that maybe this is okay to do.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I don't know how you get away with it, And
really the commissioner's got to step in. The commissioner has
to step in and say, can you just control the tongue,
please do something. I don't get it. I mean, as
it come down to that, though, we have to talk
like that at least on TV. Tell me Bucket that
I'm wrong, Tell me no.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
I mean, like, I certainly wouldn't want any athlete or
anyone who's in a position to be a role model
to talk like that, like obviously.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
And I'm not a proud I'm not old school.

Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's just something that I believe we all have a
right to put on our best versions of ourselves whenever
we're in front of the camera to inspire young people
to do the same. And so if she used I
would say inappropriate language in that form, look, man, she
should be condemned and maybe even serve consequences when it
comes to those things, because I'm sure that's not the

(02:58):
image that Debim would like her to portray to all
the young people. And as the game is growing and
as they're adding young fans to their legion of fans
like you, certainly want the players to represent the right way.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
There's no doubt. Look, I understand that in the heat
of the battle emotionally things like that. Things like that
happen within the confines of the locker room. You've heard it.
I'm sure you played the game it happened. I'm sure
coaches use that term. I mean really, and coaches could
do that in the confines of the locker room. There's
a time and a place in practice, perhaps, I mean

(03:32):
Marv Levy never did it, Okay, Tony Dungee never did it.
There are certain people that don't use those words. Certain
people do, you know, certain people need to do that
to get people, you know, emotionally ready, you know, to
get them started, you know, to to kind of get
them going. If you're a coach, I you know, different techniques,
that's what they do. But to do it on national television,
I just think it's wrong. And honestly, again, if nobody

(03:56):
does anything, if the commissioner doesn't do a thing, if
the coach doesn't do a thing, then they condone it.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
That means it's okay. That means it's okay.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
It's just kind of like driving your car and that
speed limit says fifty five. You're doing eighty and there's
a police car right there. It doesn't stop you.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
You gotta get stopped. You're doing wrong.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You're breaking the rules, all right, not breaking the law,
You're breaking the rules. Those are the rules, and there
are certain rules that athletes I think should follow. Maybe
not even athletes.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Like you're a teacher. Say you're a teacher in a classroom.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
You know you want to get your point the cross,
You could do it in a kind of a way
that you don't have to use those kind of words.
Not I'm saying that teachers do. But maybe they do.
Maybe on the college campus they do. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
I've been in a college lecture hall in years.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Have you heard that during a college lecture some lecturer
you're dropping the F palm? I don't know. Maybe they do. Now,
maybe I'm so out of it. Maybe that's what they do.
I don't know. I mean, have you heard that, buck?

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I mean, look, I do know sometimes people use little
saucy language to get the point across. And I understand
that or whatever in that form which you're talking talking
about Britney grind or or whatever like that's irresponsible, wanted
like dealing with TV and all that other stuff, like
you just want to make sure that you represent the
right way. So I understand sometimes in the heat of

(05:11):
the moment those words slip out, but I always just
kind of view it as like, man, just remember the kids.
Remember the kids are watching, someone is watching, Like we
have an obligation to make sure that we take care
of those who are coming behind us and leave the
game in a better place. And so I just would
prefer if she would make the right kind of choices

(05:31):
when it comes to like what she says and how.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
She says right, And I don't want people to think
that that that I'm pure. And I've never heard those
terms before. If you if you work in sports, if
you're a part of athletics in any matter way, shape,
or flow, you've heard that. But there's a time and
a place to use it. And it's not to be
used on national television. That's all I'm saying, you know.
And then you'll see a story in a month from

(05:53):
now that Britney Griner went to some elementary school in
Atlanta to talk to the kids. I mean, you can't.
You can't have it both ways. You can't be a hypocrite.
You know. You gotta be clean and good, you know,
and show you put your best foot forward. That's all
I'm saying. And I don't dislike Brittany Grinder, and I'm
glad that she's playing. I'm glad that she overcame what
happened when she was in jail there for over a year.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
So you know, it's great. It's great that she's playing.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
But just clean up the act a little bit, That's
all I asked, clean up the act. And I did
say coming coming. Look, I did say comming in to
this segment the basketball universe, the center of the basketball universe.
You want to take a guess what city might be
now the center of the basketball universe. And I'm a
little shocked, but do you want to take a little
guess on that.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Uh Lott, guess what city might be?

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Was one of two yeses Indianapolis, Indiana or the Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Bingo, bingo, You're so smart. Really, I was gonna think
maybe New York because of the Liberty and the Knicks,
but it is Indianapolis the center of the basketball universe
because of the Pacers, and of course the Fever. And
I got some stats which really I've read the stats.
It blew me away. The Fever averaged last year in
twenty games, seventeen thousand plus seventeen thousand and thirty six

(07:07):
fans a game a little higher. They averaged more than
the Pacers did last year. Paces averaged sixteen thy seven
eighteen during the regular season twenty twenty four to twenty five. Amazing.
And get this for ticket prices, the Fever tickets ahead
of the twenty twenty five season was one hundred and
forty nine dollars. The tickets were up seventy nine dollars

(07:27):
a ticket from a year ago. That's more expensive than
the average purchase price of both the Pacers. Get this
regular season games which is seventy two bucks and the
first two Pacers playoff games, which was one hundred and
thirty one dollars. Amazing. I mean, I don't get it.
I don't understand it. But is it Caitlin Clark. I

(07:47):
don't understand what's happening.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
I mean, look at I think Caitlin Clark certainly plays
a big role, but I think what we're seeing is
kind of like the convergence of the actuals who have
tuned in for Kaitlyn Clark, and then some of the
hardcore fans who really really enjoy the game, who followed
the game, who followed some of the young stars. And
I think the league has so many stars beyond Kaitlyn

(08:12):
Clark that we also are talking about, and they also
attract their own little pockets of fans, and so a
lot of the conversation is always about Angel Reeves and
Kaitlyn Clark, but there's so many other ladies who are
so good in the league, who deserve credit, who have
people that follow them and those things, and so I
see what you're what you're getting is a lot of that,

(08:33):
a lot of people celebrating.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
The game and all the things that kind of come
along with it.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Could you believe that we're opening the show with the WNBA.
I mean, if you would have told us that a
year ago, two years ago, you would have left on
off these people, right, I mean, seriously.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
It wasn't on the Bengo cart. Did not have that
on the Bingo card, did not I think that that's
what we.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Would start out talking about.

Speaker 4 (08:55):
But look, man, I love the fact that the ladies
are getting there. Just do, and look, it's long overdue
when it comes to it, you know, like there have
been a lot of ladies who've been doing it for
a long time, and so it's it's great to kind
of see them rewarded for their.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
First you know. I live about maybe about one hundred
hundred and ten miles from downtown Indianapolis, and everyone and
I went out to Bloomington, which is about maybe one
hundred and forty miles a year ago to see Caitlin
Clark play, which he played Indiana. So my buddy calls
up the other day and he says, you want to
go to a PACER's playoff game? I said, well, yeah,
I don't know. So he says, I just have the

(09:31):
Well how much is a ticket?

Speaker 5 (09:32):
You know?

Speaker 1 (09:32):
He told me two hundred twenty bucks. I said, are
you out of your freaking mind? I mean, really, are you?
Would you pay two hundred I wouldn't pay two hundred
twenty dollars maybe for just about anything, maybe clothing, I
don't know. I mean two hundred and twenty dollars for
a ticket for a game. I can watch it on
TV and then drive back and forth. No less, I'm kidding.
He's out of it. He says he went to two

(09:53):
or three games already. I said, are you nuts? Really?
He's well, I enjoy, I'm good, you know. Do what
do you want to do? God bless you go. I'm
not going. I'm considering myself thrifty, maybe even cheap, but
maybe normal. Two hundred and twenty dollars. I think it's
a lot of money. I really do not doing.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. That that kind of pricey.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
That is a lot I would not I can't say
that I would sign up for that.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
That's not counting parking. Gotta pay for parking too, I guess,
and obviously be a tank of gas. I'm sure to
go to Indy. But that's another story. But it's about
the TV ratings. The Pacers average one point eight million
viewers across nine regular season games. This was on TNTN
ESPN last year. A number of the Fever games passed
eighteen regular season games last year. The Fevers season opening,

(10:42):
which was last Friday against the Chicago Sky, drew two
point seven million viewers on ABC, the most watched WNBA
game ever on ESPN. I don't, I mean, I think
it's great. I really do. I think it's great. I
never thought it would be in that way, that the
wn be able to go in that direction. Now I

(11:04):
don't foresee the Women's National Soccer League or the Women's
Hockey League going in that direction.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, they may get better and advance and.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Grow, but I don't think they're going to grow to
the extent of the WNBA. I just don't think they will.

Speaker 4 (11:19):
No, No, I don't think it'll grow like that. But
you got to remember the WNBA is how many years
in twenty years, in twenty five years in I mean,
they've they've been around for a long time and they're
just now beginning to get that traction when it comes
to the overall fandom and the support that they need.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
For people to really take it seriously.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
As a legit sport and like a legit phenomenon, because
we're leading with it on the show, which I never
thought that would be possible.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
But that tells you how far they've come.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
It is amazing credit to them. I mean, and you're right,
it's not Caitlin Clark. And what Caitlin Clark may have
done is open the door. So we have seen other
great players in the league.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
The one thing that I could do without.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
You know, when they went to the med ball about
a week ago in New York City, they had all
these girls like modeling and you know, no your basketball players.
I mean, you don't have to sell sex, you know,
and that's okay. Maybe some people enjoy that you don't
have to. And then when I see Angel Reese, you
know you're gonna break your leg working in high heels.
Let me just tell you that right now. She can't
walk in heels. I've seen it a couple of times.

(12:28):
She's gonna kill herself. She'll be in two casts on
both legs. I promise you that, right. I mean, it's okay,
they got dressed, they look really good, but I want
to see them play basketball. I don't need to see
them modeling, all right, that's just me.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I mean like some of that is like they're trying
to be more than just an athlete.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Andy.

Speaker 4 (12:46):
They're trying to walk around And the only way you
get better in heels is to walk around in heels
like you want to be if you want to if
you want to be better walking around in hils, you
have to walk in heels. And so like they all
the way for them to continue to push the envelope
and get better.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
They got to do that.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I hear what you're saying, because I know that Joe
Borrow was walking around last year with a backless suit.
So it goes both ways, right, I mean you've seen
that picture when nationally with viral. I mean, so I'm
not just picking on the women here. You know, Joe
Borrow I could live without him wearing a backless suit,
all right, played football. That's what I wanted to you know.
I thought of him in a backless suit to me

(13:27):
like I'm ready to take my finger down my throat.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
I just don't want to see that. But that's what
he did.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
I get it. I mean, these are kids there, really
are the kids, and they want to do what they
want to do. But let's get back to Indianapolis and
the Pacers right now, because they really stole the home court.
They took two for the Knicks in Madison Square Garden.
They're two up heading into home Indianapolis tonight. They got
a chance to end this series without ever returning back
to New York. But you know, teams that go up
to ZIP in the conference finals are seventy six and six.

(13:53):
I look this up because I'm a Knicks fan. I
love the Knicks. I do seventy six and six all time,
and the six teams that were able to pull up
such a comeback war. There's seventy one Bullets, the ninety
three Bulls, oh seven Cavaliers, twenty twelve Oklahoma City Thunder,
twenty eighteen the Cavaliers again, and twenty nineteen to Toronto Raptors.
But I don't think that the Pacers are going to

(14:14):
sweep the Knicks. But doesn't look too good for the
Knicks right now.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Now, it doesn't look great. Doesn't look great.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
But if you're the nixt your time, Tiberdeau, the one
thing that you're trying to do is you're trying to
get them locking on the next game, because the only
thing that they can control is the next game, and
if they can win that one, then it gives them
a chance to maybe bring it back to two to two.
But I think the focus has to be on they
need to play their best game game three, and how

(14:41):
they get that done.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
They have to a lot of times when you're struggling,
you just got to find a way to go back
to the basics. What are the basics, What are the
things that we hang our hat on, what are the
things that we know that we can do better than
anybody else. And if they're able to kind of do that,
maybe they get that win. And once they get that
first win, then everything else and the falls into place.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Okay, now I got the question for you. The first game,
the Knicks were up. They were up big time. They
were up like nine points with a couple of seconds
to go in the game, and they lost in overtime.
All right, and all I heard from the so called
geniuses behind microphones that you know, it's a gut punch.
They won't be able to come back. You know, you're
an athlete, you played the game. I've been around sports
a long time. I just think that when the game

(15:22):
is over, it's over. You forget about it. It's a
brand new game. And everybody says it's gonna be really
tough for the Knicks to come back in the next game,
and you know it's gonna be hanging on them, and
it's it's a game that they'll be, you know, very
very difficult, because no, it's over. You move on. Am
I wrong about that? You've played the game, You've lost
heartbreakers too, But you know what, you move on.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
It's a new game, that's it.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
It can be hard.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
It depends on how mature the team is. You know,
if the team is mature, then yeah, they can move forward.
It'll hurt emotionally, but then what you what you're trying
to do is you're trying to get the team to
focus on the things that matter. And what matters is, man,
can you bring the attitude and effort to the game.
Can you not only bring the effort, can you bring
the execution when it comes to what it is that

(16:07):
you want from the game and those things. It's hard though,
Like it's hard for them if they're not careful to
not fall back into the trap of what was mean?
What could we have done? We should be this, and
all those other things.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
It'll be a challenge. It can be done, but it
certainly be a challenge mentally.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, Now, how much does that rest on the shoulders
of the coach to get these guys to forget about that?

Speaker 4 (16:34):
You can't, look, you can't get them to forget about it, Like,
you got to be able to acknowledge it, and then
you've got to move forward. They have to acknowledge they
have to kind of wallow in some of that, and
then they got to be mature enough to move beyond that.
If they can do that, yeah, they can get to it.
But I mean it req you got to be honest
with yourself. You've got to be honest as to why
you lost, why you gave up those things, and.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Where you can get better.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
You want to use those losses as lessons to hips
propel your team to the next level.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, it's hard to believe what's happening now with the
number one seeded teams in the NBA players. Cleveland's out.
I understand there were some injuries on that ball club,
Boston Celtics defending champions, they're out. They had a couple
of injuries as well, and the Knicks played so well
against them, and maybe they beat them because of the
injury fact that I don't know. But again, for the

(17:22):
Knicks right now to look flat, and they really look
flat against Indianapolis, no excuse. And then you got the
Western Series where Oklahoma City was up to zip and
last night, you never would have believed that what Minnesota
did to them in Minnesota one forty three, one oh one.
I mean, I just don't think the score should be
that that I mean, really, I mean, the teams should

(17:47):
be even. I mean, you're in the playoffs right now
and you're seeing us one team really dominate another one,
and you know what, it's all about the three point goals.
It's all about shooting threes. That's what it is. The
threes go in, you win big. Like in the Celtics series,
they relied on the three. You and I talked about
that and I said, why couldn't they switch? And you say, hey,
that's their game, that's what they do, that's how they play.
They don't have a game inside. They don't play on

(18:08):
the block. So you don't make the three, you don't win.
Last night, Oklahoma City couldn't hit the side of a
barn and they lost one. That's just the way it
isn't And you know, I don't really enjoy it that
way because you know they're going to take fifty some
threes every game.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
But that's the game basketball today.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
That is the game.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
And it's weird that they become so reliant on the
three point shot, but that's I mean, that's that's just
the way that some teams are electing to play.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
And it does open you up.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Where you do see these scores and these lopsided things,
because if it's if it's going, if it's clicking, yeah,
they can get your I mean they can, they can
run you right out of the gym. But if it's not,
it just leads to some some ugly basketball at times,
and it makes it look if it makes it hard
to feel the consistent team if you're so relying to
a three point shot.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Well you talk about the am man. Anthony ed was
came into the game last night. He was four for
seventeen on threes last night. He shot six for eight
for the field in the first quarter, twelve for seventeen
for the game, including five for eight from three. You know,
so you're on the team is on and Anthony ed
which carried that team last night, he scored thirty.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
It was amazing what they did. That team shot.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
Minnesota shot fifty percent from threes, twenty for forty last night.
Forty threes. It's unheard of, really, twenty for forty and
the forty threes now as far as Oklahoma City. And
while they lost fourteen for forty four, that's the game
right there. That's all you gotta do is look at
the box score and see how many threes a shot.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
I mean, that's it. It's the three ball always.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I don't like it. I don't like it. I mean
I I mean, I love basketball, I love the game
of basketball. I love watching basketball. But I just think
maybe it's hard for me to adapt the change. I mean,
what about yourself. I mean, you've seen the game back
in the day, even the Golden State Warriors, you know,
when they were rolling, all right, they didn't do it
that way. They played the game. They passed, they ran plays.

(20:05):
I remember the old Celtics. I mean, I don't want
to go back too far in time, but it was
just a different game, you know, and there was a
big man in the middle. You know, I get it,
the game morphs into something else. But really, and truly,
there's got to be a better way. There's got to
be an answer, because I just don't think the fans
enjoy watching guys go down to the court just heaven
of threes.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
No, I don't think it's certainly not the way that
it was intended. It worked for some teams, but everybody
doesn't have the same talent, and so you have to
be careful when you're attempting to copy another team style.
You got to make sure that your talent matches what
they're doing if you want to implement this game. Otherwise
you're wasting your time.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
So basically you're saying you made a great point there.
Everybody does have the same talent, but everybody could shoot
the three. So the three point goal is the equalizer.
You know, if I don't have a great talent on
my team, if I don't have a big man that
could put in twenty five thirty eight and pull down
twelve boards, and if I don't have a guy like that,
I could kind of make up for that by shooting

(21:05):
threes and hopefully they go win that night.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
That's the equalizer right there.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
The three point goal.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Yeah, the three point shot is definitely the equalize, Like
that's what people are using to try and balance it out.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
It's the equalize, right But on a day to day basis,
you don't know if they're going to go win or not.
Because Minnesota is playing tomorrow night, the hosting Oklahoma City again,
they're down two games to one, and if the ant
man doesn't hit those threes, there's a good chance that
they're not gonna win. That's basically where it's at right now.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
I mean, but every game is its own game, so
we can't just say that it's like that. Yeah, I
mean like and man has to play well, he has
to bring his a game if they don't have any
shadow of being able to pull it up.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
I still think that Minnesota is a better team. I
may be crazy. I think they're more physical. I think
they could beat them up physically. I think they're bigger,
they're longer, and then more physical. I like Minnesota. I
don't want to see Minnesota move on. But again, if
they can rely on the three, it's gonna be tough.
I mean, you know, if they play ball inside, I
think they could get it done. But I don't know.

(22:07):
We'll see what happens. I mean, shake Gillius Alexander, he
didn't do much less. He's got fourteen points. Again, you know,
he doesn't score. They don't win. Man scores.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
They win.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
It's as easy as that, you know.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
I mean, that's what it is. That's that's that's good,
that's a good observation. That's what it is. I have
to play.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
In the Minnesota Oklahoma. I think Oklahoma City is the
better overall team. I would like to see Minnesota win,
but Oklahoma City is deeper. Uh, they have more time
team and they have the MVP.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
Which it is an argument in itself. I'm not so
certain he should have been the MVP, but he got
the MVP. So that's for another day. We move on.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
All right, he's the man. He is Bucky Brooks.

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right now we're gonna tell you this, the shove stays.
That's next.

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Speaker 1 (23:51):
Now, let's get into this deal right now, because I'm
talking about what happened in the National Football League. We're
to vote this week, and it's.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
About the Push Push show, all right.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
And Jalen Hurts, the quarterback of the Eagles, doesn't even
call it the touch push. He calls it the standard
quarterback sneak, which is basically is right. But it's the
quarterback sneak, that's what it is, all right. So there
was a vote they voted in Minneapolis this week and
they won by two two votes by the owners that
they're going to keep it.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
They're not going to ban it. The player's gonna stay.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
But the Green Bay Packers back in May, I think
was May nineteenth, they submitted a proposal that prohibits an
offensive player from quote pushing, pulling, lifting, on, assisting, or
running except by individually blocking opponents for him. All right,
and I guess you know the cry was it's a
safety factor. It's not. I mean, there was no evidence

(24:44):
that you can get hurt with the toush push. I mean,
you get hurt doing anything, but the toush push did
not cause injury. It did not.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
I mean, it's so weak on so many different levels,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I just I hate
when and these things kind of happen where you have
a team who kind of subtlely behind the scenes, starts
to build a campaign against another team that is doing
something successfully. My thing would be everyone has the opportunity

(25:14):
to run that same play, right to execute whatever the
touch push however you want to call it, and to
be able to win doing it. But it's just annoying
to see like the Packers make the proposal and then.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Just all of it.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
So I'm glad that it didn't it didn't get past
that it's not banned, But I just feel like teams
should put it on themselves to get better, to learn
how to defend the play as opposed to winding and
morning and complaining about the deal.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Apparently at the vote, it got somewhat ugly at the vote,
and I think Nick Siriani, the Eagle's coach, he went crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
He lashed out at some of the other people.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
In that meeting, and really and truly, I think with
Jason Kelsey came up there and basically spoke on why
the toush push should stay. And there's really no problem
with the tous pushy although he did it and he
said it was painful at times, but you know, no
one really got hurt by it. And there's some stats.
I guess they brought this up at the meeting, and
that's why they wanted to get rid of it, because

(26:17):
a lot of teams couldn't stop it. Eagles, in a
three year run, they ran the quarterback sneak. They ran
him one hundred and twenty two times in one yard
to go situation since twenty twenty two. This is according
to stats published by True Media. They scored thirty touchdowns
and gained one hundred and five first downs on those plays.
They used it to score first in the Super Bowl

(26:39):
for the twenty twenty two season and the twenty twenty
fourth season, Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle Chris Jones tried
to stop the last one lining up sideways and that
they couldn't stop it. It's basically what it was, just
couldn't stop the play.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
Yeah, they couldn't start to play. Is I mean, that's
so crazy that it has become an unstoppable player. But
they look, they put a lot of time on task
on it. It's something where they found a way to
create an advantage. Their execution is different than others and
they deserve credit for that. And you know, I think

(27:15):
people have to kind of meet them and devote the
kind of time and resources like the Eagles did to
be able.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
To stop them. And if you're not doing that, then
that's on you. That's not that's not the Eagles fault
that you have been able to execute at a high level.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Okay, Now, in this day and age, everything's gotta gotta
be cute. There's gotta be a you know, a saying,
you know, like tush push whatever you play International Football League,
I am sure there were plays like that quarterback sneak
where they did push guys over the goal line. What
was it called a tush push, But they did plays
like that. Now it became popularized with social media and

(27:51):
everybody's talking about it, so it became bigger than life
when you played. Did they have anything like that where
they play similar to that?

Speaker 4 (27:59):
I mean, nothing quite as unstoppable as that, Like I
can't even recall.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
I mean like I can't.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I can't think of anything being quote unquote like that,
like being an unstoppable play like that.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Look, it's just a remarkable play. And if I'm the Eagles,
like to.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Thumb my nose at everybody, I may jump into it
in regular situations every now and then, just because it's unstoppable,
just because they took everybody through the headache and heartbreak
of going through the vote, I look for them to
do it more and be even more arrogant about how
they elect to get into it.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Rub it in their face a little bit, really.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Little taste a little bit.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
The question is this, I don't think every team could
do it. You have to the personnel to do it.
I mean, the Eagles have like a three hundred plus
lineman on the offensive line. I mean, I don't think
every team could possibly do that to push, can they?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
I don't think so. I don't think everyone can pull
it off. I think it's the way that they do it.
I think it's a little different the way they executed the.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
People that they have.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
The quarterback that they have doing it is a physical runner,
a guy who's super strong when it comes to it.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, everyone can't do it.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
It's very similar to what we talked about people shooting
threes and.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
Doing all of that.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
Everybody doesn't have Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and all
those guys to shoot the three ball like they were
able to shoot it.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
So I mean that's kind of part of the deal.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Okay, Now I want to just move into this situation
if I can. Back in the day, and I think
you may have been playing when this happened. After the
ball game was over, they give like a ten or
fifteen minute soothing down, quiet down period to relax. Then
they opened the locker room and then the media would
barge in. They all come in and they grabbed various
players in front of their locker and talk. Nowadays, they

(29:55):
don't really do that. They have like an interview room
and the PR guy would take two or three get
of a star player, put them on a podium and
then the media sit out there in an audience and
they ask questions in a group setting. When you played,
was it the barging into the locker room or was
it the group setting.

Speaker 4 (30:14):
Barge to the locker room. Yeah, yeah, you bart it
to the locker room. You have to scrum everyone come
in there. The cooling off period. I think in the
NFL it's only twelve minutes. You have a twelve minute
cooling off period before everyone can come in there. So
you need to gather your thoughts, make sure that you
don't do anything that is inflammatory or unbecoming of the team.

(30:36):
So you just have to like lock in and focus.
But yeah, the cooling period was a part of the
deal when I.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Was playing, Okay, so I remember it well and I
really enjoyed it better that way. If you're a media guy,
if you're a PR guy, it's easy to tell you why.
Number One, sometimes to grab the player to go to
the podium. They didn't want to do it. They didn't
want to go up there, and they're sitting up there
and they just have to take shot after shot. For
media guys in the audience, number one. Number two for

(31:04):
the consumer, for the person who's reading or watching TV
or listening on the radio, it's a lot better to
have that gang thing opening up the door let everybody in,
because everybody's gonna at a different take. Everybody gets a
different story, you know, homoginize. When you have that sitting
down in the audience and people on the podium, it
really is I mean, everybody has the same story because

(31:24):
no one's saying anything different. You know, if I'm going
into the locker room talking to Bucky Brooks in front
of his locker and Joe Blow is sitting at the
other locker talking to another player on the team on
a various play, they make it a different take and
a different different story, and it's a lot more interesting.
So I talk about that simply because Anthony Edwards right now,
he got caught up with the emotion for the Timberwolves

(31:46):
the other day against Oklahoma City in Game one, and
he got fine, you know for his emotion. I thought
it was ridiculous. It really was. After the game, he says,
I only took thirteen f'm shots and he said this
on the podium, the postgame podium. What happened?

Speaker 3 (32:01):
It cost him fifty grand fifty grand from the league.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
His total.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Now, I was shocked when I heard this.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
His total infines for the National Basketball Association four hundred
and twenty thousand dollars. It's unreal. It's crazy and profanity.
I'm not saying it's good, better and different, but that's
just the way he speaks. There are some people that
speak of profanity. Really, some people do. I'm not saying
it's good to a bed just as the way they are.
I don't know why he should be fine for that.

(32:28):
I know I told about Britney Grinder and she could
have controlled herself. I mean, she basically stopped the interview
on CBS yesterday, the CBS Sports Network for the Atlanta Tree.
She stopped in the middle, turned around and used the
F bomb to an official and can continue the interview.
This is Anthony Edwards, just just the way he talks.
And I don't know why he should be fine because
this is a postgame situation. He's emotionally kind of tied up,

(32:52):
fed up with the loss, and he only took thirteen
shots and the league's killing him right now. So what
happened if the game two he didn't speak to the media,
who's the loser on that? The public? The public wants
to hear stars. The public wants to see and hear
guys like Anthony at which because they find him, because
they didn't let him cool down a little bit. We
can't hear Anthony Edwhich talk now.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
Yeah, but like Anthony Edwards can't use language like that.
I mean, you're still trying to do a kn't friendly product.
I mean, like even though it's press and all this
other stuff, like you still want to be Kim Fridlan
because remember you have all these entities. The league has
its own network, NBA TV, These things are gonna be broadcast.
You can't allow Anthony Edwards just to say whatever he

(33:36):
wants to say without repercussion. So they do have to
find him. And he has to be mature enough to
use different language. He has to know how to code switch,
how to change up his tone given the platform and
the situation. And for him to really I would say,
throw away four June and twenty thousand dollars, that's crazy
when you certainly can use other words.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
He's smart enough to use other words in those situations.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Well, you know, let me just say one last thing.
You know, we talked about the Britney Grind and people
are going to say, well, you know, I'm a hypocrite
because I thought bad about Britney Grind and now were
defending Anthony ed which, No, profanity was not directed at
someone when Anthony Edwards used it, okay, And it's hard
to see why the NBA views this as such a
big time problem. With Britney Grinder, that profanity was used

(34:19):
and pointed towards an official. With Anthony Edwards it was not.
Maybe it's the same, but in my mind it's not.
Do you agree to that he didn't say it towards
a coach and official another player, No, he just did
it to himself. So I only took thirteen FN shots,
that's what he did, So it was towards himself. And
I think there's a big difference there, right, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
I think they're trying to clean it up just because
he Look, people have talked about me in the face
of the NBA, and what you have is you have
them trying to make sure that if he's going to
be the face him or any other player, if they're
going to be the face of the NBA, they always
represent what the NBA values in up holes and so
if he's using inappropriate language, that's why they found them

(35:01):
to correct the behavior.

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(35:58):
here we go with ask Bucking Now. Commissioner Roger Goodell
of the National Football League is talking about again an
eighteen game schedule. Guy keeps on talking about that's eventually
gonna happen. But how does that benefit the league? How
does that benefit the players health wise and everything else?

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Your benefits of league?

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Because more games equals more TV, More TV equals more money.
More money goes to more players given the revenue split.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
That's why.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
So that's how it's beneficial to all the parties involved
in regardless of what people say about the.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Health and those things.

Speaker 4 (36:30):
Look, there's no way to document that the extra game
is going to have long term consequences to the players
that are playing the game.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
The money is what it's all about. It's about expanding
the pot.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
How do you like that? Okay, all right, here what
you're saying now? Angel Reese says there's no place in
the WNBA for racism?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
All right, I agree? But is there actually racism in
the league?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I don't know. Tell me.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
I mean, I don't know if there's racism in the league.
I would say that the commentary that exists outside of
the league regarding the league has racial undertones at times.
And obviously everyone's trying to make a heroon and villain
out of Kaitlyn Clark and Ajeurie. So when she talks
about that, I don't think she's talking about the league itself.
It's some of the periphery stuff, the conversations that exist

(37:16):
outside of the league about the league that have racial components.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Okay, you mentioned the Reice Clark. I guess confrontation or
competition very similar. Maybe that turned the NBA around with
Magic and Larry Bird. Is that possible? Maybe the league
wants that.

Speaker 4 (37:33):
I mean some of that, like it certainly brings intrigue.
I mean, let's be honest, anytime that you have that
racial dynamic, it adds a level of intrigue. Now, some
of that intrigue leads to bad and negative commentary, but
some of that also feeds interest in more people paying
attention to the sport.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
So it's a double edged sword.

Speaker 4 (37:51):
But it certainly is good for the league because there's
more eyeballs on the league than ever before.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Okay, besides the Tush push, what else should NFLO be
concerned about? I mean, they made such a big deal
about the tous push, there's gotta be other things on
their plate that they're concerned with rather than that.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
My concern as a former defensive player some of the
past interference penalties. I feel like they should address that
because the PI, the past interference thing is such a
long impactful play in terms of changing the yardist I
would be more worried about that play than any other play.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
Okay, I'm going to continue. I'm going to do a
part B on this question right now. They weren't crazy
on the Toush push, probably because, as you said, they
couldn't stop it. But why wouldn't they go crazy on
flag football where these guys could get injured? I mean,
I don't understand that they were so quick. The pass
of the flag football the almost unanimously and it's gonna
be part of the twenty twenty eight Olympics in Los Angeles.

(38:47):
But the owners didn't say a boo about the flag football.
But they weren't crazy on Toush push.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Well.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
The reason why because they see flag football that is
potentially expanding the game's reach and you want to have
that global connection. And even though you're talking about putting
the players at risk for injury, you've seen it with
the Dream Team and others. How beneficial it has been
to the league to have that reach. Think about the
MVP's last seven have been international players. Part of it

(39:15):
has been fueled by the Dream Team and that success.
The league wants to tap into that.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
Do you see a lot of players saying thanks, but
no thanks, I don't want to play flag football. No.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
I think there'd be a bunch of players that are
interested in doing it. Like everyone wants to have their
Steph Curry moment, meaning they have a chance to do
something that's bigger than just a team. A gold medal
only happens once every four years, and it'd be a
very elite group of players that are able to do that. Yeah,
that's why everyone wants all in on that.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
I hear what you're saying. Last, but not least, has
a WNBA and the NBA become too physical of a game?

Speaker 4 (39:48):
No?

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
The competitive conflict is good for the league. It's good
because they're making people earn it. Before it was too
touch he was too easy.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
You got to make people earn it. The physicality has
been a good thing, not a bad thing.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
All right, that'll do with that'll roup. I learned so
much from you. When I hear ask Bucky, I really do.
I was really concerned with the tush push situation and
also with this flag football and we'll get into that
probably more so in the next two hours right here.
But he is Bucky Brooks, I'm Andy Furman, and one
coach says their standards have been lowered that a much
more where on Fox Sports Sunday coming up right here

(40:23):
next all right, perhaps it's sour grapes. We'll explain that
in just about a minute. Good morning, everybody, Happy Memorial
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(40:45):
League and has only answers because I have none, I
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(41:17):
iHeartRadio app. Now, I guess you never believe that your school,
you're alma mater, you are a school of choice, University
of North Carolina will be so popularized so much in
the news, almost on a daily basis. Maybe maybe because
now it's the slower season in sports, or maybe that's
why the Bill Belichick Jordan Hudson story has taken a

(41:37):
new life. I don't know, But how surprised are you
that the North Carolina Tar Hills and their football program
and their new coach and his girlfriend who I guess
they say, now they're engaged all of a sudden. This
is like the.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Story of the Spring, it really is.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
It's crazy.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
I mean, it's crazy, but it's annoying as an alarm
that this is so much of the story. But it's
part of the deal when you get into the celebrity
coaching hire. And the only reason why I call Bill
Belichick a celebrity coaching hire is because they are at
a six time Super Bowl winner, a guy who's never
coached at the collegiate level, and when you brought him in,

(42:15):
it was gonna be a lot of intrigue just because
of the way that it ended in New England, the
fallout that people can talk about like who's responsible for
the success of the Patriots, the goat, Tom Brady or
Bill Belichick.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
So you had all that as a backdrop.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
But then he shows up and he has a twenty
four year old girlfriend, and there's a factor to that
because he's seventy three, she's twenty four at the age gap,
whatever side that you rest on, is it inappropriate, is
it not, is it creepy?

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Whatever, whatever.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
You knew that that was going to generate some clicks
and conversations and storylines and those things, because for so
long Bill Belichick has been very guarded, very private about this.
So this is like a drastic departure from the guy
that we've known walking up and down the sidelines in
New England.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
That is a big part of it.

Speaker 4 (43:09):
And then as people interpreted her presence around the facility
and her influence and impact on him, it's become a
much bigger story than it really needs to be.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
There's really no shortage of opinions about the North Carolina
coach Bill Belichick. There's no doubt about that. And I
think this really came to light when they're that CBS
Sunday Morning interview when she sort of interrupted the interview
and saying we're not going there when they wanted to
talk about how they met and things like that, which
everybody went crazy saying like now she's basically leaning and
directing and taking care of Bill Belichick's life. You know,

(43:43):
So everybody's got an opinion. You know. My feeling is this,
who really cares? It's his life? And really and truly
I think the media should stay away from personal lives.
That's a story for another day, and it's a different
story whatsoever. But you know, I guess when you're in
the public light of people, she gonna write spin history.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
You're an athlete, you're in the public forum.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
You've got a big stage, people are gonna follow you around,
and whatever you do is gonna be news.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yes, that's a big part of it.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
And now here's what I can say, Like athletes and
coaches and everyone, you can't have it both ways, where
you don't want to have like public spotlight, but then
you or your significant other are heavy in the social
media game, posting everything, because when you post everything, you
put everything out there for public consumption. People now are
going to want to ask more questions about the things

(44:33):
that you're involved in that you've shown on Instagram or
x or whatever it is your social media platform of choice.
And with Hudson being prominent, and I would say, like
she just was second runner up in Miss main pageant,
she's been involved in that, Belichick has made her front
and center, put her like whatever it is the NFL

(44:55):
Honors and all those things they where they are mocking
the NFL with the rings and that stuff. So all
of that stuff has opened you up to have more
public criticism, more critiques, and more interest in your relationship now.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
I listened to Bill.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
Belichick on a podcast The Pivot with Ryan Clark and
company like Fred Taylor, Channing Crowder, and he shed a
lot of light on their relationship and basically what he said,
like a lot of people who have significant others, the
significant other takes a huge role and kind of maybe
managing or helping you with your personal affairs. And he
said that at North Carolina when he first started, Jordan

(45:35):
was doing a lot of stuff, kind of sifting through
some of the requests that he was getting and telling
them which ones you need to pay attention to, which
ones we can ignore, and those things. And so he
is saying that has become a much bigger story than
it ever needed to be, because there wasn't something where
she was working it in the university. She was helping him.
She was streamlining parts of his life to allow him

(45:57):
to focus on the ball without being distracted by all
love the personal stuff that kind of comes along the
way when you're the head coach of a prominent program.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
You know, I'm glad you said that, because there was
a kid, a football player at the Archbishop Molo High
School in Cincinnati, a football power who's now going to
North Carolina. There was a big story in the Cincinnati
Inquire about that. Gripped it out and mail at the
Bill and he wrote me back, I'm just wondering if
she saw my mail. Maybe she opened up the mail.
Maybe it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Bill, Although he wrote me a handwritten.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Thank you note, which he usually she might she know,
she might have went through it.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
And so I was like, oh, you know what, Bill,
this is something you got to make sure that you
hit Andy back, and so she slid it on his
desk and maybe removed some other ones that weren't as
intriguing or as flattering as I'm sure your letter was,
and she didn't wanted to make sure that you got
a response. So maybe Hudson is responsible for you getting

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a reply. Maybe you should thank her.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
You indeed, I started writing her now maybe who knows.
I don't know, but he is the thing, and I
want to get this. I want to pull the curtain
back a little bit with you because you played in
North Carolina where they hired Belichick. How shocked were you?
Your thoughts and what do you think about the program? Now?
Good hands, bad hands? I'm reading stories now rumors that
he's never going to coach a game with North Carolina.

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I don't believe that's bo, But your thoughts as to
the lumb who played football there?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, that story?

Speaker 4 (47:22):
Like, So everyone is so worried about Belichick's contract because
I think on June first, the buyout that was ten
million drops down to one meeting. So everyone is like, hey,
if he wants to buy out, he ain't leave and
leave right now. But why would he do that when
he has so many people that have followed him to
that destination, his sons, he has Mike Lombardy general manager.
He's invested a lot in the program to just walk

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away before even coaching the game, So that is nonsense.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I would say that I'm intrigued.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
I'm really intrigued because we all know that Nick Saban
has credited Bill Belichick with teaching him a lot about
the game and the program and even the process that
they've used successfully.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
At Alabama when he was there.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
If a pupil is saying that about the teacher, if
the teacher takes a job, you wonder if the teacher
can have similar success. So I'm fascinated by watching Bill
Belichick implement his own process at North Carolina to see
what kind of success the team can have. We saw
what they did in New England, which was unprecedented. Can

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they kind of, you know, popped a genie out the
bottle a little bit and see if they can sprinkle
some of that matching dust on my alma mater.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I would love to see that.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
But look, it's gonna be tough, tough sledding, new game,
new coach, but I'm optimistic.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
It's funny because there was a story just the other day.
A recent interview North Carolina chancellor, the Chancellor of North Carolina,
Lee Roberts, he kind of pooh poohed the idea that
this drama is a bad thing with Jordan and Bill
Roberts is. He said, he's delighted about all the attention,
which is great that the football program is getting. He's
happy to see. This is unbelievable. All the tickets have

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been sold out despite a price increase of tickets at
North Carolina. And I'm quoting him right now. This is
Lee Roberts, the chancellor. We wanted when we hired coach
Belichick to bring Carolina football to another level. We increased
the price of our season tickets and we sold them out.
We're delighted about all the attention being paid to Carolina football,

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which is almost the opposite to what I heard when
he was hired, because I think Bubba Cunningham kind of
wanted him and he was pushed aside. A lot of
the lums and the people on the board were kind
of against it. So, I mean, it looks now that
the chancellor, the man himself is happy. And when is
he happy everybody's happy?

Speaker 4 (49:39):
I guess yeah, and Chancellor Roberts may also operate under
premise that all attention is good attention where there's good, bad,
controversial or not. Anytime you have an opportunity to mention
the University of North Carolina in the football program, the
Q rating goes up for the tar Heels and they
are okay with some of the stuff that is going on.

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I guess like I can't even say it like it's bad,
but the relationship being a big thing that has a
lot of casual fans tuning in to see what the
tar Heels are.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Going to do.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
And much like Deon Sanders had a huge impact a
significant impact on Colorado beyond the field, Bill Belichick can
have the same for the university. Studies have shown, research
has shown is when you have a good football team,
attendance and applications go up because people want to be
tied with successful programs, and this is a chance for

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the university to take a quantum leap in football that
can help them gain some of the notoriety that the
basketball team is always brought to the university. If the
football team gets up and going well, then lookout because
it changes the way that people viewed North Carolina not
only athletically but also academically.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
No doubt about that. Now North Carolina season opener against
TCU ready, it's going to be a scheduled Monday night
primetime game at ESPN. That's amazing because usually if North
Carolina was on prime time once a year, will be
a big deal. But now North Carolina has games against Clemson,
Syracuse and that rivalry game against Duke. I gotta believe
at least another one of those games will be on

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prime time as well.

Speaker 4 (51:13):
Yeah, depending on how to start, Like, who knows how
many of those games can be on prime time. I
think it gives them an opportunity to really make a
move to be a team that gets a lot of
the intrigue. And there's no reason why Carolina can't follow.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
The blueprint.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
That's some teams like a Florida has been able to
be good at football and basketball.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
Carolina should be able to be the same.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
Alabama recently has been able to be a really prominent
team in football and basketball. The tar Hills have the
opportunity to do that. We'll see if Bill Belichick can
get them to that level.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Okay, with all the good, there's always a little bit
of bad. I guess you could say there's big little
controversy right now. Was Matt Brown, the former coach who
was praising Bill Belichicks on his setup, but he also
says North Carolina has lowered academic standards to help him.
Let's take a listen to Mac Brown. He was on
serious x end the other day. Go ahead coach as.

Speaker 7 (52:05):
Far as North Carolina and Bill Belichick, now, he's arguably
the best coach ever. They've committed money to it, they've
helped them with academics, they've lowered those standards some, so
there's absolutely no reason that they shouldn't be successful. And anymore,
they've changed the roster. I think they've signed maybe sixty

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something new transfers. So you've got a chance to succeed
at the highest level. And I expect them to do that,
and I'm proud for him.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I don't know. It came across to me a little
bit Mac Brown, that it's a little bit of solid grapes.
And I love coach Brown. He does sound sincere in
the praise, and he hopes Belichick does well for the
school because he coached it twice. He had two runs
over there, but he made it pretty much clear that
Belichi is getting a tremendous amount of resources that he
didn't get.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
So we'll see what happens there.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (52:59):
No.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
I was like, look, I understand, Coach Brown. You have
to understand. And I'm gonna say this. I was in
Coach Brown's second recruiting class ever at North Carolina.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
He's a dear friend.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
He's someone that outside of my own dad, he's one
of the grown men that I rely on as a mentor,
as a confidant in those things. So I'm gonna put
that out for full disclosure. But the University of North
Carolina did mac Brown wrong at the end of his tenure.
They asked him to come back to stabilize a program

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that hadn't been good.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
At the end of Larry fer Door's run.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
He did a solid job, even though they didn't live
up necessarily to some of the projections and the expectations.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
He got them to an Orange Bowl. They won teen games.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
He had a lot of prominent quarterbacks that were drafted
in the NFL, a lot of positive things that he
created there, and they kind of pushed.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Him out without him being able to walk out.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
He should have been able to walk out on his
own volition when he decided to leave North Carolina Hall
of Fame coach. No one has been more successful at
North Carolina than him, So when they move on from him,
they give Bill Belichick a lot of the things that
Coach Brown had been quietly campaigning for behind the scenes.
To be a successful program, to be a program that
competes at the highest level, you have to give them

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a chance academically lowering the standards a little bit, so
maybe some of the high end athletes who have academic
struggles and challenges can get in there to help the
program while you have one of the best academic.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Support systems in the country.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Given more money, the nil pot that North Carolina had
last year was a punitive I mean it was small.
It was puny compared to what others had. Well, now
they've up the anti where they can go and if
they want to play in the Orange Race, participate and
get prominent names and big time players in those things.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
He didn't have that luxury, and.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
So not only talking to him, but talking to others
who were on that staff last year, they said, man,
we didn't have enough money to compete with some of
the big boys. As I was changing the game. Well,
they've given Bill Belichick there, so coach Brown is right.
They did change the way they're going about doing business
for Bill Belichick, and so Belichick has a better chance
of being successful.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
No doubt about that. Now, I wanted to do some
research over the see what is Belichick getting that Brown
didn't get number one. You know, I thought it was
very unusual when Belichick took the job because everybody in
North Carolina was saying that coach Brown was too old.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Well, Belichick's the same age or maybe even older than
coach Mac.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
He's older years older.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Okay, so Mac is like seventy one, I think. So
it's kind of crazy that they did that. But that's
another story. But North Carolina apparently has reportedly boosted the
nil package from Mac Brown's four million dollars to Belichick's
now getting twenty million dollars.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
That's going to make a difference because you know.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
As well as I do, when kids getting recruited today,
they don't care what the schedule is, they don't care
if the games are on TV. And now because most
games are on TV anyway, every game, they won't know
how much money they're going to get.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
What's my check going to look like? So twenty million
dollars is Belichick?

Speaker 1 (55:59):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (56:00):
And look Brown said that. You just heard him said
that it's hard to.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Recruit kids without money, and he didn't have the money
that Bill Bellichers could to get number one, number two.
He did say, they're lowering the academic standards, all right.
And you remember about ten years ago they had those
fake courses in North Carolina. Got caught for that.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Oh whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Com you were there, I graduated.
Calm down, Calm down. They weren't fake course.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
That was publicized.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
Yeah, they publicized that like they had corres finance courses
and independent studies and they were trying to uh academic
improprieties with mythical courses and that was never really the case.
But yes, there was an academic scandal around the program,
but that wasn't.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
It was like it was fake courses that guys were taking.
You trying to tarnish my degree, Andy, you tarnished my degree.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
This is what I read. And that was it just
football or was it basketball and football?

Speaker 4 (56:51):
It was everything? It was it was it was all.
They tried to tie all the sports to some of
those things. They had independent study program, they tried to
put it on a rogue professor and looked at three
sides to every story. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
So we're kind of see how that played out. But yeah,
like there was there was a thing there. But look,
it's a rigorous academic thing. It's one of the top

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public school institutions in the country. Like it always ranks
amongst the top twenty five in terms of public schools.
It's not easy to get in there and do the work,
and so you have to if you can't academically cut it,
you have to not only lower the standard, but you
have to have support systems in place to help the students.
Whore gonna have a tough time dealing with the academic lobe.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Okay, so explain to me what these fake, the allegedly
fake courses were, Like, well, kids didn't go to class
because that was basically the story, and it was like
a national story is a big time deal. I don't
want to make a big deal about it. But you
went there, you saw a firsthand, clear it up. I
want to know what it was all about.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
No, I mean, look, it's much like the way that
people go about going to college now. Anyone who goes
to college now, like my son is a fourth year
student at San Jase Stay and he can elect to
take his load in person or it can take it
virtually or online as there doing. And it's something that
we became very familiar with during COVID. Well, North Carolina

(58:14):
had a situation where they had courses that were available
like that back in the day before we even got
the COVID and everyone was doing virtual and online. They
had correspondence courses, they had independent studies, they had various
ways for you to knock down your academic load without
having to go to class in person. And so there
was some controversy about those things and whether the guys

(58:37):
fully completed their work and all of that other stuff
that you put a black look and put a smudge
and put a smudge on the program. And look, I'm
not saying that there was not any wrongdoing on the
university's part or the program's part or whatever, but I
don't want anyone to think that every player, every athlete
that was running around North Carolina was benefited from inappropriate

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help from professors and teachers and the like.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
So basically you're saying North Carolina was ahead of the
head of their time might have.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Been ahead of the time.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
It might have been ahead of the time independent studies
and correspondence courses and all the other things that we
had the opportunity to participate in. Maybe some universities weren't
doing that at the time.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
All right, I'm glad to hear that. Now, do you
think that athletes and I hate to put you on
the spot, but I will I will.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Do you think.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Athletes got to break as far as admissions are concerned.
I think most schools might do that. For years, Lewhills
cried for years that No Jordain couldn't get top athletes
because the admission requirement to not Judain was so tough.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I think every university, even Notre Dame and those Stanford,
those high they may have a few special exemptions that
they can allocate for athletes or those who can contribute
greatly to the university outside of what they bring in
the class from. However, those things may not be the

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number or may not be the same as some universities
go in terms of like dropping the standards to allow
certain people to come in. But Carolina has always kind
of held firm in terms of like how they wanted
to operate academically and athletically.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Some would say that, like Dick Crumb, who was the
coach there, said, look, they want to be Harvard.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Monday through Friday, but they wanted to be Oklahoma when
Barry Swiss was there on Saturdays. And it's hard to do.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
It's hard to operate like that when you when you
have that, it can be done, but it's certainly hard
to do and hard to sustain at the level. So
if they did drop the standards a little bit for
some of the players that North Carolina wanted to bring in, yeah,
that's gonna help them because they're gonna be able.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
To bring in a different kind of athlete.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Then they've consistently been able to bring in all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Look, I'm glad you cleared that up, Brotherly, because I
had no idea. I thought that these kids were just
getting grades and they're doing those such courses. They were
just phantom courses. I'm glad that No. Really, I think
the way it was publicized, the way it was written,
it was like they were like course that were just
made up and they were given grades, But there really
was no course really so, I'm glad you cleared that up.
I really am you with you. There's on first hand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, there's a there. There's a lot of that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:11):
And I'm not saying like, look, I'm not looking at
it through tarhell blue lenses. I'm just saying that some
of the stuff that was reported was overblown.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Yeah, there were courses that the guys had to take. Now,
maybe they may get us some assistance along the way,
I'm sure, but it certainly wasn't what it was made
out to be.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Glad to hear that mister Tarheel himself clean it up.
I'm so happy he did that. He's Bucket Brooks. Get
him on X at Bucky Brooks at Andy Furman FSR.
You got a problem with that. It's eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox. That translates to eight seven seven
nine nine six sixty three sixty nine. Big idea in
a in this hour, they're playing game of now on
number three, But but one commissioner is just playing full

(01:01:53):
of it. That's next. All right, This league is being
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But let's talk bucky about the Big Bed Bully. Now

(01:02:36):
you know who that is, don't you? That National Football League,
the Big Bed Bully, all right? And the NFL's Christmas
Day schedule for twenty twenty five was traditionally owned by
the NBA, and now the Bully is here to stay
as the NFL because the NFL get this, has time
slots for one o'clock eastern, four thirty eastern, eight point

(01:02:58):
fifteen East and they go head to head with the
NBA on Christmas Day this year. Now, the NFL has
hosted at least one Christmas game annually since twenty twenty.
But the league expanded in twenty twenty four, and now
they got Dallas at Washington, Detroit at Minnesota, and Denver

(01:03:20):
at Kansas City on a triple header. What do you
think about that triple header?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Love it? I love it?

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
You know, it is interesting how the NFL has kind
of changed the way they do business when it comes
to holidays. There are certain holidays that were, hey, this
is basketball, this is the NBA's holiday. We'll remove our
sales from that. Oh, this is a college football day,
we'll remove our sales from that. The NFL that's thrown
carts to the win and they're like, nah, we're gonna

(01:03:49):
play whenever we want to play.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
There's so much money in it.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
They've seen the level of success monetarily that they can
gain by playing some of these games on these high
holidays that you have entities that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Want to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
Netflix, Amazon, whatever it is streaming service that you want,
They're willing to jump in and pay a lot of money.
And for owners and players, that is very beneficial. And
as they talk about not necessarily the CBA, but the
pie expanding, where the bigger the pie, the more money
goes to the players.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
That's why everyone is on board with that plays.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
And again, once iileena on you a little bit because
you played the game and you're involved with an NFL
team right now. Are the players upset that they can't
be with family on those holidays?

Speaker 4 (01:04:36):
I mean, I mean, I'm sure there are some that
are upset when it comes to it, But everybody has
a job, and so sometimes your job doesn't permit you
to be able to spend all of the holidays that
you may desire with your loved ones.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
However, the league is a privilege.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
It's a privileged opportunity to participate and play and work
for teams and those So if you have an opportunity
to be in the league, that's one of the.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
Things that you're signing up for.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
You may be inconvenienced by having to play on some holidays.
It's a special time and it's a time for family,
but you may be away part of the day if
it's a home game, the entire day if it's an
away game. But guess what, if you play on those days,
you tend to have a long weekend where you can
make up for it. So you may not see the
kids open up their gifts on Christmas morning, but you

(01:05:26):
may have a few extra days to hang with them
as they're playing with the tours and doing all those
other things as family comes into town.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Well, it works out perfectly at least this year, because
Christmas falls on a Thursday, and the NFL, at least
on Amazon played on Thursdays anyway, so that triple head
is on a Thursday, so it's not a big whoop, right,
and the following up playing on Friday, so they've had
played some Friday games, so it's working out pretty good
the next couple of years, and then it moves to
Saturday and Sunday, which they play on those days anyway.

(01:05:53):
So for the next three four years, the NFL is
in pretty good shape. When it moves Monday and Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
Was yeah, excellent shape, And how can you complain about it.
It's an excellent shape. It's the type of stuff that
you want to you want to do. You want to
have the opportunity to play in those games, to be
in those showcase games as a player, but also as
a team. It's a big deal to be center stage
on a holiday because everyone is gathered around the TV
watching it, and it's gonna draw a big number.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Look, man, you love it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Just like the international games, I continue to grow and
expand everybody wants.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
To be a part of the big business of the league.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
And I love because Jason Kelsey had to chime in
on this. He says, we're taking over Thanksgiving, We're taking
over Christmas. NBA, you're expletive. You're never getting that back.
I mean, that's the way he's right. I mean, they're
never going to get it back. And the funny thing
is I love to see a what games the NBA
is going to put on those days and be what
the ratings might be. There'll be some people, but here's

(01:06:51):
the difference. The difference is gonna be quite simple. I
hope Adam Silver figures this out. The National Football League
is national, maybe it's even international. People in non NFL
cities love to watch the NFL. If you live in
a non NBA city, you're not gonna watch the NBA.
It's as simple as that. I live in a non
NBA city, all right. I watched the news every night

(01:07:14):
on TV and watch the sports. They never ever give
NBA scores. They may have an NBA tape clip. If
someone gets punch in the face, if something big happens. Really,
that's when they put the NBA on TV. Other than that,
you can't get an NBA score, all right. You live
in the you live in a non NFL city, You're
gonna get an NFL day and night all the time.

(01:07:35):
That's just the way it is. As you know, there's
the popularity and there's reasons. We know why the gambling aspect,
the fantasy football. Ever, it may be just the game itself.
You know, every game means something because they only play
seventeen games, eighty two games plays all those playoff games.
It second never ending years. So we'll see. But the
commissioner had to chime in. Adam Silver with all those wisdom.

(01:07:56):
He says he wasn't bothered by the NFL's Christmas plans,
And I said, come into the segment. He's full of
it is he's got to be bothered. Come on, he's
on recording him right now. He said, there's nothing wrong
with competition. He said this the other day. We don't
own Christmas, even though we've been playing on Christmas Day
for seventy five years in our league. So there's this
huge tradition of playing on Christmas Day. But I think

(01:08:17):
competition keeps you on your toes. The NFL seas an
opportunity on Christmas. I accept that, but you know, to
your question, I think we'll continue to look at our schedule.
You are full of it because you got to be concerned.
You gotta do something about it. Maybe you should play
on Christmas Eve. Maybe it should beat him to the punch.
I don't know what they're gonna do. I don't know
what that can do. But you used to own Christmas.

(01:08:39):
You don't on Christmas anymore. It's the National Football League.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Yeah, it is the National Football League. They don't own
it anymore. It has created competition, for sure. And what
we've seen, the NFL is king. When you go back
and you look at the ratings, doesn't matter what it
is like. When you compare the draft to NBA regular
season games or playoff games, the draft outrace and then

(01:09:04):
the draft is not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
A live event. Mean, it's not a game.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
I mean so when you put games against games, there
are more people that are just football fans. In our country.
Football is king. International Football League does not mind flexing
its muscles when it comes to look our sport is popular.
We're unapologetic about it. We're going to make sure that
we give our people what they want. They want more ball,
we gonna give them more ball. And we'll continue to

(01:09:28):
see the NFL grow and expand and push the boundaries
when it comes to saturation. But right now, we don't
see people pushing back fans or continue to consume it.
So as long as they're eating it up, then keep
putting it out there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Okay, here's the statistic right now. The NBA's first Christmas
Day game was played. This is unbelievable in nineteen forty seven,
and it's continued since until the unofficial tip off to
every season. Right, that's when basketball fans really get into
the action on Christmas Day. Really, a lot of people
think the NBA starts on Christmas Day, but the NFL
knocked the door down in twenty sixteen and has dominated

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viewership on that day ever since. All Right, So, if
I'm Adam Silver, if I'm the NBA, you just can't
say I welcome the competition. There's nothing wrong. Yeah, there
is something roman competition because your ratings are going to sink.
People are moving over to the National Football League and
it's a perfect time. As you say, family gets together

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they're at the dinner table, opening up gifts, whatever they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
Turn the TV on, they're watching football. You gotta do something.
You got The.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
League right now has peaked, and I think that now
they're on the other side of the slope the NBA,
and partially because of the game itself. I think the
game itself is kind of deteriorated to some extent because
we talked about it. It's all about three point goals,
and people just can't stand I go to the park,
Go go to the park, watch guys go down the

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court and heave up at three. It's the same thing
as the NBA, it really is. So there's something different
and something has to be fixed. I don't know how
they do it. Maybe you have an idea. I don't.
I'm not here to help the NBA, but if I
had an idea, I would mention it. I don't know
what else they could do except maybe beat them to
the punch and play on Christmas Eve. I don't know.
Most people go to church on Christmas Eve, don't they.

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I don't know. I don't know what they could do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
They can't do much about Christmas just because of the
popularity of the sport, but what they can do is
try and find different pockets where they can create it.
One of the reasons why the Christmas Day.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Deal is such a big.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
It's such a big talking point, is because that was
kind of like the official kickoff to the NBA season
when it came to viewership. It's the end of the
college football year for the most part, boldseason is almost
winding down around Christmas time, and so guys are beginning
to turn their eyes towards basketball to pay attention. This
Christmas showcase was an opportunity for them to be like,

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all right, here's the NBA, this is what you want
to look for. We're gonna put four prominent games on
check us out. Well, when the NFL jumps in, it
splits that base a little bit because guys have to
make a decision do I want to watch football, I
want to watch basketball? Where basketball is not started, I'll
catcher with basketball later on football. These games matter because
we're right in the thick of the playoff race, so

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the games that they put on. Remember, the NFL also
backloads the divisional schedule, so the games that matter, the
rivalry games, take place in the month of December.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
That is also a big part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
And so when you have playoff implications and all of that,
the league is going to look it's going to dominate
that because people are more interested in that, you fantasy football,
all that other stuff, where basketball can't compete with those things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
I will tell you this much. You know, the NHL
has been very quiet, but in their own quiet way,
they have done things to kind of influence the public
and change things. For example, that outdoor game that they
used to play on New Year's Day, and they have
a couple of outdoor games right now which really have
been tremendous. I mean if you're a hockey fan, and

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they really I think they've opened it up to a
lot more hockey fans. They played a game at the
Ohio State University Stadium this past year. They had like
sixty seventy thousand people there. So the outdoor game is okay.
I don't think basketball could play outdoors at least at
that time of year and especially the possibility of snow.
But maybe they can if they have Christmas Day in

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a one, if they have Christmas Day in Miami, they
could play outdoors. That's not a bad idea, right, you know.
The NBA can go Christmas Day all outdoors, celebrate Christmas
outdoors with the NBA, have a game in La, have
a game in Arizona, and have a game in Miami
and those three markets. I think they could play outdoors
on that day.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
What do you think they can't play they did?

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Look, I mean, I think one, you have to be
bold and fearless and unafraid of making mistakes when it
comes to what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
D NHL has shown growth.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Even the thing they did this year, what was the
defort Nations that drew a lot ofge kind of thing. Yeah,
you gotta be front from you gotta be forward thinking.
You cannot be afraid to do things differently to appeal
to a fan base that is looking for something to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Energize them to get going. The NHL has done that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:14):
I would say that when you look at the playoffs
this year, there's been more eyeballs on the NHL playoffs
this year than in previous years U and some of
that was jump started by the four Nations thing. And
as you talk about playing outside and the potential backdrop,
there's something about the visual effect of playing outside as

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opposed to playing in an arena. It is a completely
different game and it's one that the hardcore fans to enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
He's Bucket Brooks, always with something wise to say, I
mean defirming sometimes I don't. We are Fox Sports Sunday
on Fox Sports Radio, and of course there's only two
ways to go, only two ways, and they are yay
or nay. And then next yay or nay. Coming right up.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio on the
Memorial Day weekend. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Furman who

(01:15:04):
alive from the Fox Sports Radio studios about eleven minutes
before the top of the hour, and Patty, it's all
yours buddy.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
Okay, let's rack those brains, gentlemen. These stories need an.

Speaker 8 (01:15:15):
Ass I think we need a ruling on this.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
It's yay or nay, all right, guys, Well it's time
for yay or nay.

Speaker 8 (01:15:25):
So let's play Andy and Bucky.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
So with that, first we got with the NFL players
now officially allowed to compete in flag football at the
twenty twenty eight Summer Olympics, which is in here in LA.

Speaker 8 (01:15:38):
What are your thoughts. Is this a good thing for
the league for the players?

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Yeay?

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Or nay, Andy, Well, I think it's good for the league,
so I say yeah, because obviously more people will see it,
global exposure, things like that. For the players, I worry
if they get hurt.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
I know I'm not gonna be wearring helmets, but you
know those quick cuts there running, I mean, they'll be
gassed out by the time they get the camp because
it's going to be in late July for the Olympics.
So I'm kind of torn on this. But if you
have to ask me one, i'd say, nay, nay, we
don't need it. We don't need it. Forget it. Let
him play play hard during the season.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Oh looky, I'm with this. I think this is a ya.
I like it. I like having NFL players.

Speaker 4 (01:16:18):
Then I think it has an opportunity to do what
the Dream Team did for the game. And even though
you won't see international flag players make their win into
the league, I've just seen the impact that the Dream
Team has eventually had on the NBA with the international flavor.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
That is dominating the NBA currently.

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
That's all started from the Dream Team going overseas and
really expanded the game.

Speaker 8 (01:16:39):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
I love it a lot. Well, guys, let's stick with football.
Maybe not NFL, but let's go to college. So the
College Football Playoffs is making a big format change for
its in its second season. They have approved a new
seating structure for the twelve team bracket. In twenty twenty five,
the College Football Playoff twelve teams will be seen according

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to their final college football rankings, regardless of conference championships.
Under the new model, the four highest ranked teams will
earn first round bys.

Speaker 8 (01:17:12):
Yay or nay. Bucky Brooks nay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
I don't like this.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
I don't like it because what it does it devalues
the the significance of winning the conference championship. If you
don't win the conference championship, you shouldn't get any extra benefits.
If you're the third team in SEC but you ranked fourth,
you shouldn't get a bye.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
You need to win your conference championship. So I don't
like it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Everyone that cried and win last year, they've ruined it.
They've ruined the format. Like this is bad, it's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I hate to agree with Bucky Brooks, I really do,
because it looks like I'm sucking up. But it's a name.
Because the conference championship has to mean something. The regular
season doesn't mean anything. It's almost like the NBA and
the Major League Baseball regular season play means nothing nothing.
You win a conference championship, it means and over here
it does not. So it's a big fat nay.

Speaker 5 (01:18:06):
Well, I'll tell you something that means something here, Andy, So,
TV is such a large recruiting tool for college athletes, right,
so should there be a limit for how many times
a college program could be shown on TV during a
single season?

Speaker 8 (01:18:20):
Yay or nay?

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Andy, Well, I would say yay, And I'll tell you why.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
It's kind of a foolish thing right now, because I
think kids at one point in time were looking at
college coaches and saying, I'll go to your school how
many times you're on TV. I think every school is
on TV many times, but there are some schools that
really get the shaft, and I'd like to see some
schools on TV more than others. So maybe there should
be some sort of a limit. But right now, with
conferences and conference and contracts and the money being paid out,

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I don't see it happening, but I'd love to see
it happen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
No, I don't don't. Yeah, I don't like this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:57):
I think you should televise everything, put everything out there
because families are watching, and so with all the different
vehicles to being able to consume game streaming and whatever,
you can't put a cap on it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:09):
Really, Nope, that's the yay or NAIs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Guys, you do have another one? You want to give
us one? Make one up?

Speaker 8 (01:19:16):
You know what, I'll make one up for us right now?

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
All right? So with we know the NBA is coming
down to the finals close, we got the final four teams.
There is a chance we may get the Pacers versus Thunder,
two smaller market teams, and apparently everybody is coming to
gripes on that.

Speaker 8 (01:19:36):
Yay or nay? Is this good for the league? Yay
or nay? Andy Furman, you go on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
I don't think it's good for the league at all.
I think TV ratings are hurting anyway. But I think,
do you got this market like Oklahoma City coming in
there in Indianapolis, It doesn't help a thing. You got
to get New York, I got La Chicago, Atlanta. You
got to get those markets India to help to boost
the NBA. It's not happening right now.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
Well, if we just care about big and we only
should put NBA teams in big Marcus, it should be
New York, A, B, and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
C as opposed to giving these other things. So no,
I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
I mean I do like Indiana and Oklahoma City potentially
being in the finals, because that's the whole point. Everyone
should have a chance to win in the league. Otherwise,
what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
I hear what you're saying. We'll continue that. We're gonna
tell you why he's still on the sidelines. That's coming
up where Fox Sports Sunday next. All right, are you
tired of his talk yet? We'll get to that. Hey,
just about a minute. Happy Memorial Day weekend. This is
Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucket Brooks.
I'm Andy Ferman and went broadcasting live from the Fox

(01:20:41):
Sports Radio studios. Here he is Bucket Brooks. How you doing, Buck?
I tell you what, I'm really glad you cleared up
that situation via North Carolina. I never knew that serious.
I didn't know. I mean, it was a kind of
a nasty blurb on that program and people have different
thoughts about it until you clear up. So I'm really
good And if people miss that they could get it

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on a podcast which will be posted right after our
show today. Now, there's something you mentioned in a Yeah
and ny Less segment about this NBA thing, this Indianapolis
Oklahoma City small markets. You said, well, you look unhappy
that Indianapolis may be facing Oklahoma City in the finals.
And I'm certainly happy that everybody's got a shot to
do that. Okay, Cleveland got bounced out, Boston got bounced out,

(01:21:26):
everything like that. But I think when you talk about
the executives that run the NBA and TV executives in particular,
they're not going to be too happy that markets like
Indianapolis and Oklahoma City are going to be televising the
finals of the NBA. I really believe they'd rather have
larger markets, larger markets, more eyeballs, all right, that's what
they want.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
I don't disagree with you in terms of what they want.
They certainly want the big market. Like when you think
about visually what it looks like the game being played
in New York, right, Like, if you could have your druthers,
you would like to have the New York Knicks face
and whoever comes out of the West, because you want
to have the visual atmosphere of watching the finals in

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the garden. The garden is an epic play, It's an
iconic place. I understand one of that. You would like
to tap into the New York market because it is
look maybe the top market when it comes to TV.
So the ratings would be a bonanza in that regard.
But the rest of the teams that are in it, Minnesota,
Oklahoma City and Indianapolis, Indiana whatever, like, those are small

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market teams and you're not going to get the big
ratings bump, but you can get some star power in
any of When you bring those teams in aunt Mannon
and Minnesota, you get Shape Sga, the MVP. He comes
if Oklahoma City's there. And then you got the new villain,
Tyrese Halliburton, who is the most overrated player in the

(01:22:50):
NBA per the players around the league. But he has
been Yeah, and you get his dad too, even though
his dad has been banned, his dad shows up. But yeah,
like so you get some of those things. I think
it's I don't know if the market thing really matters anymore,
the way the game's consumed. I told you with streaming
and all that. I think people that like basketball, they're

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going to tune in, and I know the linear TV
numbers will be down because it's not a big market.
But I mean, I understand that it's a business. But
when you made the league the way that you made it,
with the draft and the lottery and all these things,
competitive balance. You can't argue about having competitive balance. When
it shows up, that's what you wanted. You want a
competitive balance, and there's shown up, and some of the

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big market teams are on the outside looking in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
You're exactly right. Okay, See, I'm Minnesota hosting Oklahoma City tomorrow.
I Minnesota coming off a big win last night, so
they're down two games to one, and today or tonight,
actually in Indianapolis, the Knicks are down two to the
Indiana Pacers. They played tonight, So we'll see what happens
over there. But we will be remiss if we didn't
touch on the WNBA. We have to mention the WNBA.
And I was shocked. I'm sitting around the TVs today.

(01:23:58):
I just flicked on CBS CBS Network at one o'clock Eastern,
the Liberty was playing The Fever. I said, oh my goodness, CBS,
are you kidding me? Really, and it was a heck
of a game. It was ninety eighty eight on kind
of a non call at the end, and the fever
and Caitlin Clark in particular were very aggravated in that

(01:24:18):
it looked like she got hit at the end, at
the end of the ball game.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
To lose ninety eighty eight, you hate to see a game.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
And I'd rather have a game lose by or win
by double digits than lose by two points on a
potential bad officiating call. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
I mean, I don't know how bad the call was.
She a little contacts. She got to be able to
play through that. The league is changing where they're not
calling all these touch fouls. Before everyone was getting touch
foul living at the free throw line. Sometimes you got
to reward the aggressiveness and you got to be able
to play through that. If we were playing at the park,
she wouldn't get that file at the park. We're not
giving her that file and pickup if it was a

(01:24:57):
game point. She's not getting that foul to decide game.
She's got to play through it and make the bucket
like that's just what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
I have a feeling about that situation. Ever since they
added in the NBA at least a third official. I
think sometimes people are the officiating at least they worry
about they may not make that call because it's not
their call, and sometimes they hold the whistle and they
swallow the whistle. Do you ever feel that. I mean,

(01:25:25):
when they had two officials, there was maybe less situations
of arguing a final call or a big close call
because they had two and they knew what territory they're
going to cover, and maybe the game wasn't this physical.
I don't know. I thought it was pretty physical back
in the day when they have big centers like Chamberlain
and Nate Thurman and Willis Street, so it was and
Walt Bellamy. They had pretty big physical guys back then.

(01:25:47):
But I think the third official creates a bit of
a problem as to what territory he may have because
I watched that replay yesterday with Caitlin Clark, and there
was an official who should have made the call or
would have made the call, and didn't and looked like
they may have been waiting for the other official to
make that call. You do you follow me on that?

Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
On my off base, Well, what I'm hearing is you
say there's too many eyeballs on it, like you have
too many, too many officials on the on the court,
too many guys that can see things and weigh in
and give opinions and all that, and it's messing up
the game. Whereas when they didn't have as many people
on the court, you didn't have as many calls, and
it just seemed to flow better as opposed to the

(01:26:28):
constant stopping and starting. The other part of that has
been the league, in an effort to improve the scoring,
they originally took away the hand checking and those things,
so guys, they talked about freedom of movement, one of the
guys to be able to move around without being restricted
by the physical contact. Well as some defensive teams stepped

(01:26:48):
up their ability to counter those tactics with forces with
aggression and the league relenting. Yeah, we've seen seen the
game change. But here's the thing. The scoring gets still up.
You know, they're still putting big numbers up. I looked
last night minnesotansidered franchise record for total point sport in
a playoff game, Like that's what they did. We saw

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Indiana go up and down the court, the first game
of the series with the Knicks where they look one
pint thirty Mark, like, that's way back to how it
used to be when Doug Moore and the Nuggets were
running up and down the court, you know, wearing people out.
So I think the product on the court is solid.
I think what we're complaining about though, stylistically, too many

(01:27:32):
teams are trying to play a game that doesn't match
their personnel, trying to shoot threes when you don't have
deadly three point shooters. And until the coaches and front
office is recognized, man, every team is built differently. You
got to build it differently to win with what you have,
you won't get the consistency and the product that we're
used to seeing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
That's a great point I tell you. I'll leave you
to this. By the officiating, I'd like to see more
calls on three seconds and palming. I mean I never
believed that a guy could dribble a ball up to
his umpit and not be called for palming. I mean
that's just the way it is. I mean, you gotta
go guys playing three on three or going to the
park and playing theyn't call palming in the park. But

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they won't call it in the NBA. I never see
the turnovers that they have now in basketball. I don't
understand why that came to pass. I don't know why
they allow that. Guys are dribbling and have so much
control of the basketball, they're turning the ball over. They
never call a palm or a turnover. I just I
don't get it. And the three seconds. Some of these
guys live in the pivot, So those are the calls.
I'd like to see a little more. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Yeah, you're more upset about that than I am. That's
just kind of a part of it, like.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
The palm, the palming, the fact that you even say palm.
I feel like I'm watching a seventies NBA basketball game and.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Brian is talking about they're palming the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:28:48):
That's kind of a part of those guys, like the
creativity and their stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:28:53):
I'm okay with that.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
I think the traveling would be the bigger thing, because
trying to separate between oh, that's a euro step and
that's a travel that's harder now than it's ever been.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Yeah, you're exactly right. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
It's hard right now to figure out what team Aaron
Rodgers is going to play for.

Speaker 3 (01:29:13):
I'm sick of talking about it, I really am.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
But you got to talk about hi, because something's going
to get really because it's been more than two months
since the start of the free agency situation in the
NFL and Aaron Rodgers is still looking for a job.
He's on the market. Guy won the MVP four times.
He took a visit the Pittsburgh that was back in March,
and his things stand right now, it looks like he
may be going to play for the Steelers. I don't know,
but he's not talking about it. And he did say

(01:29:36):
that the reason why he's not talking about it because
he's got some personal problems because some friends, close friends,
have cancer. That's what he said. And I hear him,
and that's okay. I get it. And I think that
he realizes that he's going to be gobbled up somewhere, somehow,
someone's going to take him. And I think it's going
to be Pittsburgh. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
I mean? I think it is leaning that way.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
They don't really have a choice to kind of put
all their eggs in the air, just basket when it
comes to that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
You know, the thing about it. At some point he
has to show up.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
If he does to show up soon, they can't put
together an effective product now. I mean, I'm seeing like
it's almost as if they have bypassed ouption because now
you're hitting into OTA's which are your official practices organized
team activities, but they're really practices. You only get ten
of those. Well, if he misses all that, like, what

(01:30:27):
how are they going to make it up? He's now
gonna ask guys to come in off of it their
vacation to do it. If they do it, it speaks
to his selfishness. This is a decision that should have
been wrapped up months ago. And look, man, I'm mad
at the Steelers for jumping into those waters and kind
of messing up what was already a pretty good thing.

(01:30:47):
It just means we'll see what he elects to do.
To me, it's just kind of crazy that he hasn't
made up his mind yet.

Speaker 1 (01:30:55):
Okay, it looks like what the mandatory mini can kicks
you on June tenth. I gotta believe he's probably gonna
sign with the Steelers. I think he's gonna sign before
June tenth. And the guy who wrote his biography, Ian
O'Connor said, it looks like it's gonna be the Steels
if he says that he knows he's been involved with
with Aaron Rodgers. Now, I did some stupid research, but

(01:31:17):
it maybe it makes sense. I think the NFL knows.
I think the NFL knows he's gonna sign with the Steelers.
And why do I say that. I look at the
NFL schedule. On September the seventh, the Steelers play at
the Jets. You don't think that's a made for TV game.
The guy who used to play for the Jets and
got hurt on that first game now in a Steelers' uniform.

(01:31:37):
Believe me, the NFL did some behind the scenes talking
to Aaron Rodgers or somebody or maybe someone with the
Steelers saying what's the deal here, and they say, well,
we're gonna sign him. And they got to sign them.
Why they got Will Howard and Mason Rudolph. They're not
gonna go to war with those guys. They can't. Although
I love Mason Rudolph, but I don't think it's going
to happen. So Steelers are playing at the Jets on

(01:31:58):
September seventh. Aaron Rodgers will be in the Steelers uniform?
Is that good logic on my part? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
I mean, it has to be something.

Speaker 4 (01:32:05):
They have to have some kind of wink nod agreement
in place, because I can't imagine. I can't imagine what
the Stellers are waiting on otherwise. So Aaron Rodgers says,
in an agreement in place, they gonna try and figure
it out whatever they need to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
But they need to get him in the camp.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
They need to get him going so he can develop
the chemistry with the playmakers and wide out so the
team can get to know him. Quarterback is the ultimate
leadership position, but you can't lead if the players around
you don't trust you. And the only way you earn
that trust is about being diligent every day so the
people can see you work and know that you pour
in the same, if not more than they have to

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the game when it comes to the preparation. That makes
the team more inclined to believe you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:46):
Now, what about the players I mean in general? I
mean they talk about the term we went through this
last week pretty good about the term distraction. Would this
be a distraction? I don't believe it would be because
they're not playing. Can you with a distraction when the
team is not playing games, an off season distraction?

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
I don't think so. Is there is there such a thing?

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:33:08):
They yeah, no, no, no, no, there's definitely such a thing
as an off feel distraction. Like anything that takes away
your purpose and your intent on getting better individually as
a player and as a team. That's a distraction, and
you're trying to eliminate those things so you can lock
in and focus. The best teams have minimal distraction because
it enables them to focus for longer than their opponent.

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And I don't want a lot of chaos and a
circus atmosphere around me or the team. And that's one
of the things that you have to be mindful of
when you sign prominent free agents.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
In those things.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Okay, I gotta believe there's a contingent of Pittsburgh Steelers
right now hoping that they sign him because they know
what he brings to the table. Even though he's a
bit of a weirdo, he's going to bring the experience
that he has as a winner, as opposed to a
rookie like Will Howard or a guy orn't even like
Mason Rudolph, who wasn't Pittsburgh. They let him go and

(01:34:03):
now he's back on Pittsburgh again.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
Yeah, and I'll be careful on what he brings because
the last couple of years when we watched him with
the Jets, he hasn't played very well. It's a long
time ago since that last MVP, you know, and we
can talk about what he was and what he's been
at his prime, but there's no guarantee that he's going
back to his prime, and he doesn't have the same
belief from others.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
In his talents that he once had.

Speaker 4 (01:34:28):
When you have others that believe in you and believe
that you can take your game up a notch, that
that changed the way they call the game.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
I don't know if.

Speaker 4 (01:34:36):
They truly believed that he still has the magic dust
on the fastball to elevate their offense. He can give
them a force and maybe he is an upgrade over Russell.
But if he is an upgrade, just marginally, not significantly,
this's be interesting to see where he plays how it
plays out. But this is something that goes completely against
how the stealers typically operate as a team.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Yeah, it's funny, really because the only thing that has
been written about Aaron Rodgers is willy or won'ty. Except
I found an article on CBS Sports saying that it's
time for the Steelers to pull the plug on Aaron
Rodgers and this experiment. They suggest that the quarterback's current
value on the field, if there is inconsistent twenty twenty

(01:35:24):
four season, is not worth the continued weight and the
rollercoaster timeline he has provided. That's the first time and
only time I've seen anybody anywhere in any media outlet saying, Hey, Pittsburgh,
it's enough, let it go.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
Cut the ties. He's not worth it. I love that
he's not.

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
He's not and they'll find out soon enough. He's limited
in terms of what he can do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
He couldn't even put up three hundred.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
Odd games in New York and they were down all
the time, and we talked about the winner. He didn't
elevate them, he didn't take them to the higher heights,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
I think it's I think it's a weird I think
it's a weird deal. But it's one that the society
needs to end an insurance quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:08):
And here's another situation where you don't usually hear Art
Rooney the second the owner of the Pittsburgh Steal is
really go public on anything, right, Art Rooney came out
and says he's going to continue to wait on the
free agency of quarterback Aaron Rodgers to solidify plans for
the twenty twenty five season, and obviously the timeline is
getting real shorter and shorter as the days pass on.

(01:36:29):
But my question is, would Art Rooney a consult Mike
Tomlin or does Mike Tomlin have some sort of a
meeting with Art Rooney or if Art Rooney obviously his owner,
if he wants Aaron Rodgers, is it a done deal?
Because I'm thinking, like, does Mike Tomlin really want the aggravation?

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
Can Mike Tomlin control Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 1 (01:36:48):
That's the key? Does he want him?

Speaker 4 (01:36:51):
I mean, if he sees valuing him as a player.
Mike Tomlin has shown the ability to work with all
different types of personalities.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
I mean, heck, he he.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
Worked with Ben roethlis Roethlisberger is not the easiest one
to quote unquote manage, but he was able to do
it and he'll continue to be able to have success
doing those things because He's built like that. He is
not one who shoes away from conflict, confrontation and those things.
That's why he's such a good leader. He'll figure it out.
He'll be able to figure out a way to kind
of maximize who Anne Rodgers is and what he can

(01:37:23):
be for their team.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
I just don't like.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
I just don't know if he's talented enough to elevate
them in a division that has Joe Burrow and it
already has Lamar Jackson. I don't know where he stacks
amongst that pecking water.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
You know, I would say this, I just go on
his past record. I've got to believe if he does
sign with Pittsburgh A, it's going to be a heck
of a division with those three quarterbacks, Rogers borrowing Lamar Jackson.
But more than that, I still think there's gotta be
a little guess left in the tank. I mean, I
know he had a terrible season. I know that coming
up an injury, and usually a guy perferms better the

(01:38:01):
year after the year it comes back. So he might
be better now, although he is forty one. But you know,
rumors say that he's been working out in California right now.
I have a feeling that he would bring more to
the table than what Pittsburgh has right now with the
quarterback position. Maybe maybe you like your doubts.

Speaker 2 (01:38:22):
I do have my doubts.

Speaker 4 (01:38:24):
I look, man, he doesn't want to get hit anymore.
So if he's not gonna stand in the fire. You
can't play with a quarterback that doesn't want to get hit.
It limits what you can do because then as a
defensive coordinator facing a quarterback that I know doesn't want
to get hit, Man, I'm gonna dial it up because
I know at some point he's gonna get rid of
the ball and get skittih He's gonna make turnovers. That's
why we've seen more turnovers from him and forever. We've

(01:38:48):
also seen him have more issues than we've ever seen.
He used to dial it up and torch people when
they would come after him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
He's not the same He's not the same guy anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
I would say this though, I would think that, and
maybe I'm just stinking between his years right now, that
he would not want to go out leaving his legacy
the way it was. I mean, look at the way
Tom Brady went out Super Bowl champ. Most of these
guys want to go out somewhat or close to being
on top. He's going to be going out if he
doesn't play this year. Really in the basement, really, really

(01:39:24):
and truly, I think that he wants to go out
at least on a playoff team. Maybe not winning the
Super Bowl, but at least on a winning team going
to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:39:33):
I mean maybe, I mean, maybe, yeah, he can. I mean,
I think he just wants to play. Don't know why
he wants to play, continue to play, but he'd look.
I understand he certainly wants to play and do those things.
I just, man, I don't know how it's going to
turn out successfully for him, But I don't think you

(01:39:53):
can turn back to clock in the National Football League,
like father Time is undefeated and Father Time is caught
up with him.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Last question, I'll put you on the spot. Do you
think he'll be playing for the Pittsburgh steel I say yes.
Will he play for the Steelers this year? Your thoughts
yes or no?

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:40:10):
Yeah, I think he's gonna play because they've cleared the
decks for him, So yeah, I think he's gonna end
up playing for them. I don't know how effective you
would be, but he's going to play for them. He's
gonna play for the Pittsburghs.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
I feel the same way. And September seventh is the key.
That's why Christa Steelers are playing at the Jets and
that game will be like a must see TV game.
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the blame game. So don't go anywhere. But this media
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Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
That's next.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
Oh hey, don't ever call them role models please. That's
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Speaker 1 (01:41:53):
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the game. However, not for Bucket Brooks, because he's different,
he's better, he's above the board, he really is. And
talk about social media, all right, social media, what do
you use it for you to promote information, share ideas,
the conversation. It's immediate conversation, not like writing a letter
like I do, which is immediacy. It's great, but sorry

(01:42:37):
to say, I think you'll agree. A lot of people
use it to hate, spew hate. That's what they do
on it. You hide and make hurtful comments. And they
do for videos as well. And what do I mean
by that? I look at Tyre's Helberter Haliburton class agree
in that mik of Reggie Miller's choke gesture towards the
Nixon game number one, And I read this in the

(01:42:58):
New York Post. Here they Phil Muster got a I
think on Friday, and he said, if they have the
picture of Halli Burton putting his hands on his throat,
first of all, can you be a little more original?
You had a copy of Reggie Miller, you couldn't do
something on your own. Okay, this is what rober Phil
muschnerk wrote. Is the Commissioner Adam Silver happy with this?
Is he pleased that this is what the NBA and

(01:43:19):
his contracted messengers have become. Is there nothing he can
do or is there nothing he wants to do? To
restore some civility and sensible basketball to the NBA. All right,
I read that, and I said, well, maybe you're going
off the deep end a little bit philed. I don't know,
But then again, I say, you know, as we talked
at the beginning of the show with Brittany, maybe he's right.

(01:43:44):
I mean, kids are gonna see that. Can you imagine
going through a high school game, Bucky and seeing a
kid doing the choke thing? It could happen. I don't
get it, and Adam Silver let it happen. Nothing's gonna
be There's gonna be no disciplinary action whatsoever when he
did that. That's gonna be. It's that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:03):
I mean, I feel like I feel like we are
going over the top with some of the gestering.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
I get it. And there's this fine.

Speaker 4 (01:44:11):
Line right coaching high school guys, I understand, or youth
sports in general, they copy what they see, they imitate
what they see from the pros. So the pros should
be role models and said good examples that said, like,
I think the columnist is making a mountain out of
a mole hill. When it comes to it, he threw
up the choke.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
Jester.

Speaker 4 (01:44:31):
Part of that was in good nature, fun for Indiana fans,
ripping Reggie Miller, who was on the call that night,
and given the ties that Reggie Miller has to the
Pacers organization, I get that, but it's not like on
a nightly basis, everybody is doing these wild, outlandish theatrics
that are taken away from the game. Like some of

(01:44:52):
us in front, some of you got to kind of
let go and slide. I mean we talked about Aaron Rodgers.
Aaron Rodgers for years was famous for the discount double check,
like he's faking with the belt, particularly when he played
against the Chicago Bears. Some of it is like with athletes,
like that's part of the deal. You can get some
of the Port Gladiator Port's showmen from them. You're not

(01:45:14):
even be able to regulate in police all day, or
you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
Well, you know what, I'm glad you brought me down
to earth because I read that and I started thinking about,
you know, high school kids. But again it's showman.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
I mean, maybe I'm wrong that showmanship.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
Like when Steph Curry does the sleeping thing, you know,
putting the teams to sleep. I got no problem with that.
I really had no problem with the choke thing. Until
I read that, I didn't think it was that big
of a deal. I mean, it's choking anybody the team choked.
They did choke.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
They did choke, And some people don't like that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:45):
I'm okay with some of that, Like I don't want
all the antics and gestures all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
But in this moment, like it was fine because he
was paying.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Homage to Everyone understands the iconic moment that Reggie Miller
had in the garden for it to end like that
or what we thought it was going to be the
end for the Pacers like that. Look, it was a moment.
It was a game winning shot man. He certainly would
have been paying homage directly to Reggie Miller for his
greatness and bringing back a fond memory for the Pacers organization.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
Right, there's no doubt about that now. I remember I
read this way back in the day when Alan Iverson
played for the seventy six ers and he didn't stand
for the national anthem. This is a story, is a
true story, and I heard about it that I read
about it. David Stern, May he Rest in peace was
the commission at the time. He called the game was
played in the Spectrum in Philadelphia. He called the Spectrum

(01:46:41):
while watching it on TV and got a hold of
Iverson he find him.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
But I think the national anthem is a situation different.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
Than a choke situation. I mean, I don't know what's good,
what's been well? When do you stop? When do you go?
Brittany grinding yesterday with the F bomb during an interview.
It's a tough call, it really is. But I think
that right now, when this day and age, athletes basically
a lot more would you say free or loose or independent?

(01:47:10):
I don't know what the term might be, but was
it back in the day when you play with they
like that? I don't think so. They're more independent now,
I guess. I don't know why, but they are.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
They're more independent. But some of it has always existed.
David Stern certainly made it a point to police certain things.
He always had the brand in mind. And if you
think about part of the NFL success has been they're
perfect branding. They've done a great job of creating brands,
creating a brand that's the standard stuff that allows corporate

(01:47:45):
America to fall in love with it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
That's what the NFL has done.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
D NBA wants the same thing, and so sometimes you
enact those policies and you do those things to make
sure that the brand always remains a bigger thing than
the individual. But some of it, some of it is
a little over the top. So you got to pick
and choose what really matters, right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
I think part of the problem is that when athletes
do things I would have to say or use the
term out of the ordinary, TV picks him up and
they use his highlights and that's basically what they do.
And I think a lot of people, a lot of
athletes in general, want to be on the highlight reel.
They want the clicks on their social media account. And
I'll go back to social media which has basically created this.

(01:48:28):
And again I blame the commissioners At times, I yell
at them, where's Adam silver Wise and not doing this?
I don't think he has much control because he can't
control this social account. So how can he control them
on the court. If he's going to do if Halla
Burton's going to do to choke signal or situation on
his Instagram, how could he control them on the basketball court?

(01:48:50):
What's the difference?

Speaker 2 (01:48:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
More people are going to see it on Instagram than
they will see it in the arena anyway, So what's
the difference. So he just lets it go and ignores it.
I guess, but the Red Sox I got a picture.
But David Liam Hendrix. He posted on social media that
he and his wife recently received death threats. Now this
is crazy, okay, He said, threats against me and my
wife's life are horrible and cruel. Leaving comments and telling

(01:49:14):
me to commit suicide and how you wish I died
from cancer is disgusting and vile. And this is sad.
This is sick, it really is, and he wrote they
wrote on his account, maybe you should step back and
re evaluate your life's purpose before hiding behind the screen
and attacking players and their families. It's nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
I mean, I guess people have the what I call
beer muscles.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
You know, they're high behind with a different name on
a social account, and they go after these guys. But
athletes like Kevin Durant fall into the trap and the
answer they answer these guys and they go back and
forth them. I guess that's what these guys really want
to do. They want to suck you into their web
and get you fighting on social media, which is crazy.
It really is.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
Yeah, I mean that's I mean, that's a big part
of it. Like they do suck you into the web,
and you have to pick, can choose when to respond
in those things. But the good and the bad of
social media has been social media allows fans to connect
with their favorite players. The bad thing is it allows
fans to connect with their favorite players, and so you
have to deal with some of that stuff, and a

(01:50:15):
lot of it you put on the players to be
above it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
But I do understand when they want to wallow in
the muck and you know.

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
Go back at the haters as they would call it,
because sometimes it is unnecessary some of the stuff that
we're getting from the fans weighing.

Speaker 2 (01:50:31):
In even though no one asks for their opinion.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Right, you're exactly. I'm going back to Hendrix, the pitcher
on the Red Sox. He's a three time All Star
and he's also a cancer survivor. So anybody who is
that sick and that much of a degenerate to write
to him and wish he would die is crazy. It
really is. But my question is this, is there any
ruling on various teams? And you would know because you
played that. Coaches say that we don't want you to

(01:50:55):
have an account. I think on high school, a lot
of these kids on high school, I think coaches don't
want them to have an account, a social media account
for that specific reason that they're going to get comments.
Maybe if they lose a game and they say, it's
your fault. You did this in a created a major
problem in their life. So I think rather than have
that problem, coaches will tell them I don't want you

(01:51:17):
having an account. I don't think they could do that
or do that in college, do they pros is a
different story, but in college and high school could be
a different story as well.

Speaker 4 (01:51:25):
I think what you're trying to do is you try
not to make them run from having an account. You
try and teach them how to use their account and
platform responsibly. You try to give them the dues and
don'ts of how to operate in that social media space.
Whether it's a ignore these guys, mute these guys, block
these guys, this is a perfect time to respond. You
have to understand the dues and don'ts of living on

(01:51:49):
social media as a public figure. And once they get
that down, regardless of level, because even in high school.
If you're a local high school star, you're a bit
of a celebrity in town. So you got to pick
and choose what you want to weigh in on. And
you want to make sure that your social media profile,
your digital footprint matches who you really really say you are,

(01:52:11):
because if it doesn't, it becomes an issue, becomes problematic,
because then you can't be the face of the franchise.
You can't be the representative of the program if you
have all kinds of shady stuff for things that are
inappropriate on your timeline, on your feet.

Speaker 1 (01:52:28):
It's amazing because now they talk about Anthony Edwards dan
Man in Minnesota with the Timberwolves being the so called
face of the NBA. First of all, I don't know
does a league need a face number one and number two?
What does it mean when you're the face of the league?
They say Jerry West is the face, He's the logo
of the NBA. What does that mean? I mean to

(01:52:48):
be the face of the league. And do you have
to have a face?

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
I mean, I don't know if you have to have
one singular face, but you want to have stars. That league,
in particular, the NBA has been built on star power.
The NFL is built on team power. They built it
around the teams, which is why the teams are prominent.
Like going all the way back to Pete Rosel and
the uniform dress code and the way they promoted the game.

(01:53:12):
It was always about the team, not the individual player.
The NBA took a different tack because Magic and Larry
Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, they were the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Faces of the league.

Speaker 4 (01:53:25):
The league used their rivalry to promote the league and
build the league up. And so from that point on,
they've been looking for these magnetic personality types with big
time games to carry the league to the next level,
and they haven't been able to accurately identify it. So
when they're talking about face of the league, they're trying
to talk about the person who can go and represent

(01:53:47):
the league to the fullest.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Okay, do you think the man is going to be
that guy?

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
No, Like, I think it's a combination of guys. I think, look,
and people are going to get mad, but like, there's
a number of international players that would do it. Look,
I think SGA, now that he has the MVP.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
He can do it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
Joker can do it, Luka, Doncis can do it, and
man can be a part of that conversation, Giannis, and
to compote, he can be a part of it. So
there are a lot of people and they have a
lot of international flair. I don't think you can put
the crown on just one person to carry the league,
this team. This league is better when there's competition. The

(01:54:25):
league is better when there's natural robberies that are created.
And sometimes those robberies get a little contentious. We need
more of that stuff to show to appeal to people
watching games.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
And once again I learned something from you type. Because
the NFL has a shield, the NBA has Jerry West
and Major League Baseball. I think the picture on the
Major League Baseball logo is Harmon Killerbrew. I think that's
the killer. Really. I think he's kind of the face
of baseball. Why they picked Harmon Killerber with everybody else,
I have no idea, but I believe that's Harmon Killerbro.
So we continue move on, Bucky brooks Andy Verban, Fox Sports,

(01:54:59):
so they all Fox Sports Radio. You know, this is
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The playing game. It's freaking next, all right, play it,
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am Eastern countdown. What a great show that is. Countdown
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Jeff Schwartz will join you at the top of the album.
Right now, it's fine for Patty. Let's go as ruin me.
It's all your fault. No, it's your fault. What is
all your fault? Maybe it's everyone's fault. He's a liar.

(01:55:43):
That's why there's the blame game. The blame game. Let's
figure out who to blame here.

Speaker 5 (01:55:48):
He is, he's the liar himself, Patty, I am the
big liar myself. Here. Let's go, well, guys, let's start
off hot with this one.

Speaker 8 (01:55:56):
Guys.

Speaker 5 (01:55:57):
So Indiana Fever forward, not Kaitlin Clark, Sophie Cunningham were
going here. Has denied accusations act let me say that again.
Has denied accusations no, thank you Mighty, that she was
involved in an affair with a Phoenix Sons and Phoenix
Mercury CEO, Josh Bartelstein, Sophie, Sophie Cunningham.

Speaker 8 (01:56:24):
Who do you blame for this? Andy?

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
Probably blame Bartlestein because if you never saw Sophie cutting,
and he probably would love to have an affair. Withever
Real Skuy Barnastey must be some sort of a loser. Real,
I have to see what he looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:56:39):
I mean, I don't know. I don't think it's appropriate
for us to speculate.

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
I don't think we don't know about the security guard
put it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
So I'm gonna blame the security guard for.

Speaker 4 (01:56:48):
Putting it out there, doing his testimony or doing his
lawsuit against the Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
All right, come on, take a.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
I don't know enough.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
I never know enough.

Speaker 5 (01:57:04):
Well, speaking of a team that doesn't know enough either,
we have the New York Meds.

Speaker 8 (01:57:07):
I'm just taking a shot at him. It's just funny.

Speaker 5 (01:57:09):
So Wan Soda can make a double into a single.
He never runs hard. Who do you blame?

Speaker 8 (01:57:14):
Bucky Brooks?

Speaker 4 (01:57:16):
Look, I blame Juan Soto. He has to run it
out like he's a hot dog. I love hot dogs,
but he's.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
A hot dog. He doesn't always run it out.

Speaker 4 (01:57:24):
He has theatrics in those things, and it's come back
to bite them a little bit. He needs to play
like a little leaguer, go run hard, run out every
at bad.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
Very easy to blame one soda course, it's his full
But you know what, I blame all his coaches all
the way down from when he first started playing solo baseball, really,
because if you don't push the guy, who's not going
to know how to play the game right. He never
was taught how to play the game right, right, Bucky.
That's why he does that. I don't think the course
is a hot dog. He just that's the way he
played all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
I mean that is he has always been a hot dog.
Someone should have coached it out of Maryland.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
Thank you? Well, do you agree with me?

Speaker 8 (01:58:01):
Huh to a point.

Speaker 5 (01:58:05):
Well, we're not going to talk about hot dogs on
this next one, even though I do like food as well.
But now that the NFL has added flag football to
the twenty twenty eight Olympics, who do you blame and why?

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
Andy, Well, you gotta blame not who, but what.

Speaker 1 (01:58:20):
It's money, the green salvation of life, the green cabbage,
the guilt because more games, more money, and they want
to expand the flag football is going to expand the
exposure of the league. Why I don't know, because I
guess people around the world are too stupid to realize
flag football is not Sunday National Football League football. It's
a different game. But they don't know. They don't know
the difference is football is football. So it's going to

(01:58:42):
help the league in that regard merchandise sales.

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
Yeah, I mean, look, I think it's about the league.
The league is to blame. The NFL is to blame
because they want to expand the game. They want to
grow the game because more people that consume the game
at the flag football level, the more eventually gonna watch
NFL football to consume all the merchandise and everything that
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
That's part of it is the NFL's.

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
Form, all right, Well, with NFL eighteen games seem inevitable
for the NFL.

Speaker 8 (01:59:08):
Who do you blame, Bucky.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
I don't know. I blame us. I blame us for
bringing these people in to the top of I blame us.
We're to blame. We're to blame for all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:22):
You know what I would say this I'm not blaming anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
I'm blaming the commission who was too stupid to realize
that seventeen games is an odd number, right, I mean,
really and truly, what do you do nine home games
for some teams and eight home games for others. You
gotta even it out, so you gotta make it eighteen.
That's why you can't have an odd schedule, which they've
had in the last several years, seventeen games, So you
gotta make it eighteen games.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
Well, sixteen, well, eighteen eighteen because you're gonna get away
with the preseason. You have two preseason games and then
eighteen games. So it makes it that even twenty, so
eighteen will eventually be the number twenties. The total number
eighteen has to be directar season number.

Speaker 8 (02:00:00):
There you go, I got one more?

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
You do? Oh?

Speaker 8 (02:00:03):
I got one.

Speaker 5 (02:00:04):
The New York Knicks are down zero to two against
the Indiana Pacers, and they lost twice at home, with
one being a choke job.

Speaker 8 (02:00:11):
Who do you blame, Andy?

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
They didn't put their foot to the gas to close
it out. You know what, I gotta blame them. They
have no one else to blame with themselves.

Speaker 4 (02:00:21):
The Knickerbocker is because it's all about Tom tiberdau Kis fault.

Speaker 1 (02:00:28):
Next week we'll see it be with us